SWWP #23 - Doing The Science (feat. Danny From TheStop)

Summary

Podcast Summary: Something Wrong With The Podcast

Episode: SWWP #23 - Doing The Science (feat. Danny From TheStop)
Host: Julian Delgado
Release Date: June 24, 2025
Description: A podcast where your intrusive thoughts are said out loud. Every week Julian discusses ‘something wrong with the culture’ while also being your hilarious unlicensed therapist. Wanna be a part of the show? Call 877-557-SWWP to leave a voicemail and get some advice.

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Introduction

In episode #23 of Something Wrong With The Podcast, titled "Doing The Science," host Julian Delgado engages in a candid and introspective conversation with guest Rory. The episode delves deep into Julian's experiences with his former podcast team, personal growth, and the challenges he faced while managing interpersonal conflicts within a creative environment.

Revisiting Past Conflicts

The episode kicks off with Julian and Rory reminiscing about past encounters, setting a reflective tone. Julian humorously references a previous altercation, stating, “Nothing wrong with the pussy” ([00:00]). This opening serves as a segue into a broader discussion about misunderstandings and miscommunications within their professional relationships.

Notable Quote:

Julian: “We just ran into each other.” ([00:12])

Toxic Work Environment and Breakup

A significant portion of the conversation centers around the dissolution of Julian's prior podcast endeavor. Rory expresses surprise over the abrupt end, noting, “No, I didn’t think a show that came from a breakup would have a breakup very adjacent to the breakup from which they came” ([00:37]). Julian agrees, emphasizing the lack of originality in scripts and comparing their show’s size unfavorably to Joe’s podcast, mentioning, “We just ran into each other. I hope the thing doesn't fail again, because that was a good job” ([00:28]).

Notable Quote:

Rory: “There's no new. There's no new original scripts these days.” ([00:48])

Interpersonal Dynamics and Social Media Tensions

Julian and Rory delve into the strained relationships with former colleagues, particularly focusing on conflicts involving Joe. Julian candidly admits, “I have nothing to say. I mean, you nailed it. That's what happened” ([02:07]), reflecting a sense of resignation. They discuss how social media exacerbated tensions, with Julian detailing instances where jokes and tweets led to misunderstandings and further distrust within the team.

Notable Quote:

Julian: “He went on Savon's podcast, and they said, like, who's the guy over there who's making… And he said. He named me Big Jewels.” ([16:07])

Personal Growth Through Therapy

A pivotal moment in the episode is Julian's discussion about his journey towards mental health and self-improvement. He reveals, “I'm in a much better mental health space now” ([37:51]) and credits therapy as a crucial factor in his transformation. Julian shares his struggles with depression, his coping mechanisms, and how professional help enabled him to address deep-seated issues rather than merely distracting himself.

Notable Quote:

Julian: “I can say what I want. I'm confident and I'm very comfortable with who I am.” ([12:19])

Conflict with Damaris and Workplace Incidents

The conversation shifts to specific incidents that tainted the workplace atmosphere. Julian recounts an unexpected physical altercation with Damaris, reflecting on its impact both personally and professionally. He muses, “I should have hit her back” ([09:38]) but later clarifies the importance of maintaining professionalism, emphasizing, “You should never hit a woman” ([10:00]).

Notable Quote:

Julian: “We all did. Yeah. We don't have a guy, so now we're scrambling publicly.” ([40:27])

Handling Public Perception and Reputation

Julian discusses the challenges of managing public perception following internal conflicts becoming public. He touches on smear campaigns and the importance of timing in responding to controversies. Julian notes, “But timing, you know. And on that first episode, I look back at it and it's like, you know… significantly different than where I am today” ([35:58]).

Notable Quote:

Julian: “This was my life and I know it's content, I know it's entertainment but it's also very much affects my life and my reputation.” ([36:03])

Current Endeavors and Moving Forward

Towards the end of the episode, Julian shares updates about his current projects and personal life, including attending shows with his parents and reflecting on the importance of meaningful relationships. He expresses gratitude for the lessons learned and the personal growth achieved through past hardships.

Notable Quote:

Julian: “I'm not that guy anymore. Like, I’m in a much better mental health space that, bro.” ([37:54])

Conclusion

Episode #23 of Something Wrong With The Podcast offers a raw and honest exploration of Julian Delgado's experiences navigating the complexities of creative collaborations, personal growth, and the impact of external perceptions on one's mental health. Through engaging dialogue with Rory, Julian provides listeners with valuable insights into overcoming professional setbacks and emphasizes the importance of self-awareness and therapy in personal development.

Closing Thoughts:

Julian: “That's all I want to do.” ([37:54])

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Key Takeaways:

1. Navigating Conflicts: Effective communication and understanding are crucial in resolving professional disputes.
2. Mental Health Matters: Seeking therapy and addressing personal issues leads to significant personal growth and improved mental well-being.
3. Public Perception: Managing one's reputation requires careful timing and a commitment to authenticity.
4. Personal Responsibility: Owning one's actions and their impact on others fosters healthier relationships and professional environments.

Recommendations for Listeners:

• Reflect on your professional relationships and identify areas for improvement.
• Consider the benefits of therapy and personal growth initiatives.
• Be mindful of how social media interactions can influence real-world relationships.

Additional Resources:

• Therapy and Mental Health: Exploring professional help can be transformative. Julian credits his therapist for much of his personal growth.
• Podcasting Ethics: Maintaining professionalism and clear boundaries is essential in collaborative creative endeavors.

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Stay tuned for more insightful episodes of Something Wrong With The Podcast, where Julian Delgado continues to dissect cultural issues with humor and honesty.

Transcript

[Julian]

Nothing wrong with the pussy.

[Rory]

Well, after a false start, Julian, I gotta do the whole thing where I just pretend like I organically take two.

[Julian]

We just ran into each other.

[Rory]

Yeah, we just ran into each.

[Julian]

I brought up Iran. You also just went nuclear in the bathroom. So there's a tie in there that we can. You can smell it. It's quite a ways away, and you can still smell it. So I hope the thing doesn't fail again, because that was a good job.

[Rory]

You were in there with another man, and I just had to.

[Julian]

All right, that's. That's my me time. Danny.

[Rory]

We're going to do things. Then let's really do.

[Julian]

We'll do them together. Okay.

[Rory]

Okay.

[Julian]

All right, go ahead. Where. Where do you leave. We didn't get too far.

[Rory]

Yeah. No, I didn't think a show that came from a breakup would have a breakup very adjacent to the breakup from which they came. I was shocked.

[Julian]

There's no new. There's no new original scripts these days.

[Rory]

Yeah, it felt like a reboot.

[Julian]

This is. Yeah.

[Rory]

Obviously you guys aren't as big as the jbp, but it was. Still had many.

[Julian]

So much bigger. Yeah.

[Rory]

So much bigger. 40,000 versus 200.

[Julian]

Is that what Joe's doing? 200? Yeah. Yeah, for him.

[Rory]

Well, twice a week, too, but. So.

[Julian]

No.

[Rory]

I mean, I. But that's a different beast. You guys have a great out. Or you guys did have a great outlet, but you initially try to keep it low, but then it seems like you want to reveal what's going on, but don't. And then.

[Julian]

Rory.

[Rory]

Sorry.

[Julian]

Take a sip, bro. Jesus Christ.

[Rory]

Damn. All that pause.

[Julian]

All that nut dude in the bathroom. That's going nuclear.

[Rory]

Don't say that. Oh, I'm going to clip that out.

[Julian]

Well, but no, it's our footage. You can't edit.

[Rory]

Rory, let me drink.

[Julian]

Go for it. You got it. I'll keep the.

[Rory]

Sorry. The noise going this week, Rory. And you'd kind of battle for control of the narrative. I think that's how I saw it.

[Julian]

Really?

[Rory]

It did look like that. It was like you were on Instagram, like, hey, guys, something's happening. But, like, I just want to see how things play out. And then eventually it comes out that, like, you're not coming back because you're not even in the show notes anymore. And it was like, what the hell?

[Julian]

Yeah. Is that a question?

[Rory]

I'm just trying to get your reflection.

[Julian]

I have nothing to say. I mean, you nailed it. That's what happened.

[Rory]

Okay.

[Julian]

Yeah. I'm not trying to be A dick, but, like, ask me something. No, I don't. I'm just telling me what you're. You're regurgitating my life.

[Rory]

Yeah, but then multiple spaces happen.

[Julian]

Sure.

[Rory]

You. You do the. It wasn't a poem, but people thought about it.

[Julian]

Sure. You know, it's funny. It's funny to call. It's funny to call something, anything. Someone writes a poem. Yeah, perhaps a poem.

[Rory]

Yeah. And then in it, you outline kind of this, like, toxic workplace.

[Julian]

Sure.

[Rory]

Do you stand by it?

[Julian]

100.

[Rory]

You thought it was a toxic word.

[Julian]

A thousand percent.

[Rory]

That was one.

[Julian]

That's not just me saying that either. Rory's also said that.

[Rory]

When he said that, didn't he say.

[Julian]

With you, like, the other. I don't fucking know. It's not. It's not great. That's not like. I'm not pulling the wool over anyone. It's not a great work environment. I'm not here to speak on behalf of anybody else that's been in and out of there or still there, but come on, I'm. And I don't expect anybody to say anything. Yeah, I can say what I want. I know. It was. It's fine, though. There's shitty work environments everywhere. It's fine.

[Rory]

But it wasn't that toxic, like, I would assume.

[Julian]

Well, I don't know what you're being. What's your scale?

[Rory]

I don't know, because I feel like. Like when I first came out of college, like, I've encountered so many toxic workplaces that were like, really, like.

[Julian]

Well, that's the thing. Like, when you say toxic, it's like, what is the. What. What is. What's the level of toxicity? Because that can vary, I'm saying, from my work experience. It was.

[Rory]

Ranks one of the worst, like, most toxic places.

[Julian]

I mean. Yeah, actually. Yeah. If I were to break down my work. Well, teaching on the south side is pretty bad, but they're up. Yeah, I was up. It's pretty up there. One, two. They could swap.

[Rory]

So it was like the south side flipside. He was a teacher in the south side of Chicag. And now you're saying that it's almost as toxic as being producer students.

[Julian]

It was rewarding with. The kids were very nice.

[Rory]

Yeah. I would assume that's way more rewarding than making a podcast in a sea of people that make podcasts. But. All right, well, cool. I. I just think there's a lot of things going on in. In your story, and I'm, like, fascinated because it always appears like people keep things quiet and that you're like, I was doing videos about y' all the whole time, and I never forecasted you going that, Ro. I never forecasted it. There was a lot of things. One thing I felt like I did notice was they didn't seem particularly fond of how you cater to Joe. Like, as far as taking those shots at him.

[Julian]

Who's they, Rory? Am all I'm supposed to coax their ego while they are your paws. Wait, what are you talking about? When I was there?

[Rory]

Yeah, when you were there.

[Julian]

What did I do? What is social media? When I was hired? When I was still with them.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Julian]

Oh, when I was making fun of Joe.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Julian]

Oh. I mean, I can do whatever I want. That's. I'm going to do what I want.

[Rory]

Okay.

[Julian]

Yeah, yeah. It's also, Rory and I were texting throughout that whole thing, and he thought they were funny, so I don't know.

[Rory]

Oh, so he was cool with it?

[Julian]

Yeah.

[Rory]

Okay. All right. Well, I don't know. It seemed like. It seemed like they weren't cool with it.

[Julian]

Mall hated every time anybody mentioned Joe, which I get. I understand. And I really did my best not to, like, but at times, like, I mean, dude, we're. We would text and would be funny. I'm like, oh, I got this. Retweet this. He goes, that's. That's funny. Ah. Like, so I'm like, all right, I'll tweet it, and then, like, it'll get addressed the next day recording. Like, why the you tweeted that? I'm like, all right, do I delete it? What do I do? Like, I don't know. Like, so it was a lot of, like, whatever. Like. But I don't know. I also didn't look at that as, like, a point of contention at all or, like, a cause for, like, emotional strife or, like, a rift between us. I. I didn't think anything of that. Was that. Of that serious?

[Rory]

Well, you did say later on that there was like a. Almost like an Elix. Like, they didn't like it on Spaces. I recall that.

[Julian]

Sorry, they. Who? What?

[Rory]

You did say later on that they didn't really. Like, there was, like, when you were able to talk to Joe on Spaces, you did say that you couldn't talk to Joe before because it was kind of known that anybody could not talk to Joe.

[Julian]

Well, you're doing this whole thing. Like, it's not like he's Voldemort. Like, it's just it. With respect to, like, this show in my. Yeah, I would never talk to Joe or become friends with Joe while I was on their show. Obviously not. I'm also still putting this out there very clearly. You can cut it because I know you. I've never. I'm still currently am not talking to Joe or ever trying to befriend Joe. That being said, if we ended up in the spaces again, we can have a conversation. Like we can. You can not want to be buddy buddy with someone and talk like.

[Rory]

That's especially social audio.

[Julian]

Yeah, it's like we. We know each other. We're not like good friends. Like, but I respect what you do. And I'm here on this sweaty ass fucking day. My balls are sticking to my thigh. And we're here doing this right now. So, you know, like, there's everything doesn't have to be so like all or nothing. Yeah, it's very odd. There's like gray area like. Yeah, like Kendrick smoked Drake in the beef. Drake makes significantly better music. How about that? I'm not. But you know, your guy lost, but it's fine. He still makes better music.

[Rory]

Family matters and push ups more.

[Julian]

That's, you know, what you teach their own good.

[Rory]

I'm sorry, but that's the thing.

[Julian]

If the beef isn't about who made the better music, it's about who won the beef. Kendrick won the beef.

[Rory]

That's like opinion based. We don't know how we're gonna look at it 10 years from now.

[Julian]

I figure it out if we're here.

[Rory]

You got me though now. Now I'm like, I don't care about this breakup.

[Julian]

It's so hard to talk about. Like, yeah, me, like, whatever. I'm like, yeah, yeah, we're gonna die. So let's get these views.

[Rory]

Some of us sooner. But yeah, but no for sure. I. I don't know why you guys. I feel like. I almost feel like I'm talking about a divorce.

[Julian]

Whereas, like, promise you it's not that.

[Rory]

Whereas I can't even bring it up. But you guys treated that seriously.

[Julian]

You keep saying you guys. Yes, I'm very open about talking about this whole experience. You said you had a bunch of questions. You haven't asked me many questions.

[Rory]

I have.

[Julian]

Well, kid, carry on, man. I'm here.

[Rory]

Yo, is you good with Mo? Are you okay, man?

[Julian]

No.

[Rory]

Why?

[Julian]

What?

[Rory]

How soon into your relationship did y' all realize?

[Julian]

Well, I later learned mall just never liked me. Which is fine. You don't have to like your colleagues. You can just work together.

[Rory]

How did you learn that?

[Julian]

It just, it cumulatively over time, things that would happen during the show, even on the show. And actions off the show. I'm not here to get into, like, the nitty gritty of details, but. No, you never, like, which is fine. I don't care to. I never cared to be friends with Mall. Did I think we were, like, copacetic and things were sweet? Sure. What? Maybe I, Maybe I even thought the version of that was too far than the reality of it, which I'm learning in therapy. Shout out to my therapist, draining my bank account because he's out of. Out of network. But he's very good. But I'm. There's. I'm learning a lot about that aspect of my life in terms of, like, the being honest and more, like, open with the relationships that I've had with people or where people I currently have relationships with romantically or, like, you know, platonic work, etc.

[Rory]

All right, well, I, I, I think it did seem like Maul didn't like.

[Julian]

You, but you're right. Yeah, yeah. No, you, you are right from, like, watching it. Yeah, you're totally right.

[Rory]

It seemed like the whole show didn't, like, like, even. All right, this is, this is how the me and Damaris beef started.

[Julian]

Sure.

[Rory]

This is. I swear, this is how it started. I saw a clip of her slapping you playfully, but it was still a slap. And I was like, I don't care if we friends. That is not happening to me at my job and me not making a big stink about it.

[Julian]

You're right. I should have hit her back.

[Rory]

No, it's not. See that?

[Julian]

My bad.

[Rory]

Oh, I'm the Rory Tacky. See how we're doing this, man? That was a Rory was doing to me. But, yeah, no, I just think I would be like, hey, don't hit me like, or don't do that again. And I would definitely send an email and CC my supervisors and all that. Now, I may be wrong for that, but I just think that is not right.

[Julian]

Well, like, you know what's funny? Like, in, in retrospect, and this is, I mean, I. Maybe it was funny. We let it slide the moment. Whatever. I don't. Not quite sure if anything came. I think it became a thing once it got clipped online. And then it was like, oh, you did? Yeah, it was you. But, like, maybe. And again, I'm not the boss. It's not my company. But, like, if something that happens and it could be on camera, maybe they did this in the moment, I don't know. So long ago. I couldn't tell you anything that was said on that show, maybe they. She got checked. Like, hey, don't do that, or whatever. But, like, also, I could have been like, hey, like, come on. Like, don't do. I don't know. I don't remember what happened in that moment. I also can't believe that that became, like, a thing. But it is a thing, man.

[Rory]

That's disrespect. Like, that. You got to check immediately. Like, I'm. And I'm not saying, like, of course you joke about, like, I got to hit her back. No, you should never hit a woman. I want to be clear.

[Julian]

Are you really going out on a ledge there with that?

[Rory]

You should never hit a woman. Yeah, but you should definitely this month. Cool with being this month.

[Julian]

Yeah.

[Rory]

Stop it, you guys. Man, you guys are always trying to trip me up. But, yeah, that was the beef with. That was the beef with Damaris because she was like, how could you put that online if my bosses were weak? Blah, blah, blah. They could have fired me. I want to cry.

[Julian]

Why do you. Can I ask you? Why does this still. Like, how long ago is that? Over a year ago.

[Rory]

That would be probably before March. I don't know.

[Julian]

It definitely. Like, why does that still bother you? Like, bother me.

[Rory]

It's not that that situation bothered me, is that there's been subsequent situations. There was that and then the space, right?

[Julian]

What space?

[Rory]

The space where she talked about, like, I could have been fired because of you. Danny.

[Julian]

About the slap. Yeah, but that. I mean, I. I'm. It still ties to my initial question. You're like, It's. Why is this that moment such a. It was never a moment.

[Rory]

It was a moment. It was not a significant moment.

[Julian]

You're making it a significant moment. You've made it one.

[Rory]

Rory just pressed me, man.

[Julian]

About that. About the slap.

[Rory]

Them about the.

[Julian]

I don't wanna. I'm not trying to put on the gloves and finish the fight. I don't care.

[Rory]

I don't want to talk about Patreon. And she calls me creepy out of nowhere, dude.

[Julian]

It's so.

[Rory]

No.

[Julian]

What do you. What, like, what if someone calls you creepy?

[Rory]

Listen, listen, man. I was. You got it.

[Julian]

You are an online personality. Mad people call you.

[Rory]

Why can I respond?

[Julian]

You can.

[Rory]

You can respond people to say to me, why are you letting it. I hadn't talked about her in a long time.

[Julian]

Yeah, but I'm saying with respect to. Like, that's what you want to ask me about when it comes to Damaris, Is that.

[Rory]

No, no, because it. It linked back to you the slap and Then the slap react and then the. The slap heard around the podcast world. So, okay, when you leave, there's a series of smear campaigns that I thought were subtle but obvious.

[Julian]

What?

[Rory]

They hire Edin as soon as you leave.

[Julian]

Oh, that's good.

[Rory]

I mean, you didn't find that, like.

[Julian]

I actually didn't know they did, but it's like, fine.

[Rory]

I don't know.

[Julian]

I also don't care. Like, the thing with Eden is, like, he's a hard worker. He does great work, so I don't. Yeah, like, sure, bring him back. I don't feel. I don't care.

[Rory]

Okay. I guess I'm projecting onto you.

[Julian]

Yeah, I don't care at all. No, because, like, my life there and my. My life not only at the show, but with the. Everyone that is done. So it's like, I don't care who they bring in. Like, you know what I mean? They could dig up my elementary school bully and higher up. Like, it doesn't matter. Like, I don't care what happens there.

[Rory]

Did you feel like you lost respect for how you treated the Eden situation?

[Julian]

What do you mean?

[Rory]

Because it seemed to me like, once again, I'm just theorizing.

[Julian]

Sure.

[Rory]

You could tell me that. Go f myself. I've been told that before. If I'm told it again, who cares?

[Julian]

Go yourself.

[Rory]

Okay. But it seemed like Maul felt like. Like, it just looked like. All right, so here's the series of.

[Julian]

I'll tell you. I'll tell you before you even ask the question. After the edit thing happened, Maul never trusted me again.

[Rory]

Wait, for real?

[Julian]

Yeah.

[Rory]

I thought, why? Okay, why?

[Julian]

Well, he said, like, you know, it's up. That Eden got where. He never said this explicit to, like, I. I know.

[Rory]

To the grapevine.

[Julian]

Yeah. And he couldn't feel. This is why I didn't go on tour that last run, partially among the many other things that I shared with you. But, like, Maul didn't feel like I was trustworthy because of the whole Eden situation, which is fine. I mean, it's his. It's a decision he can make. That's okay. We're fine with.

[Rory]

Why didn't he.

[Julian]

Well, I don't know. I'm not him. I can't answer that for you, but that's how he felt.

[Rory]

So it could have. All right, so I'm just going to go with the Reddit theory. The Reddit theory was that I'm here.

[Julian]

But, yeah, go with the Reddit theory, because the red.

[Rory]

See, the Internet be wrong about a lot.

[Julian]

Tell Me. Tell me what they said.

[Rory]

The Reddit theory was like, yo, everything was cool. But then Julian had to cry about it on spaces. Like, that was that.

[Julian]

Was that now. It was. I told you already by now, nothing was ever really cool. It was just like, we were taught it was tolerable. By the way Eden and I never had. At least from my perspective. Again, I'm only speaking from my shared perspective. Eden and I never had beef, to be quite honest and be frank. Like, him and I agreed the most in terms of what direction we wanted the show to go in, how dedicated we were to the show and what we wanted to. Like, you know, we vented a lot to each other. We on the road the first year, hung out most of the time together. We went to the fucking. What's that thing in Toronto that Drake sat on on views. The CN Tower. We did an afternoon together with the CN Tower. We did, like, dates and shit. Like, we got udon and went to the CN Tower in Toronto. Like, and it was. You know, call it not a friendship if you want, but, like. But when we were in the workspace and when we were on the road, we were boys. Like, we've spent a lot of extended periods of time together. So that him punching me, I was so caught off guard because I was like, whoa, like, you were my guy here. Like, you. This was our thing. And no one. You know how hard I work and how hard you work and I respect the. Out of what you do here. As did he. Of me. He went on Savon's podcast, and they. They said, like, who's. You know, the guy over there who's making. Like, who's killing it? And he said. He named me Big Jewels. And then he called me and told me afterward. Like, we were like, that. Like, we were cool. Like, so that.

[Rory]

That.

[Julian]

Yeah, like, that was weird.

[Rory]

You really had no idea why he did that?

[Julian]

I mean, I'm sure, like, look, I say offensive things, like we all did, but, like, people react differently to things. Like, huh.

[Rory]

Well, did you think he kept that energy in there?

[Julian]

I mean, I'm sure. Look, I'll say. I'll put it this way. I think I may have been a release, an outward release for other things that may have been going on in his life.

[Rory]

Okay.

[Julian]

And maybe there was, like, enough of disdain or, like, enough. And, like, ugh, Like, Julian, it could have been enough of that in. In coinciding with whatever he had else going on in his life that that moment was like, here's my. I was his release valve.

[Rory]

Okay?

[Julian]

Could be. I highly doubt that that was just about me. I don't. I don't feel like there's no way did.

[Rory]

Were you the person who wanted to get the footage from the fight?

[Julian]

We all did. Yeah.

[Rory]

Okay. Because I was talking to Rory about it. I asked him who made the decision to get them, so it was all y' all.

[Julian]

Well, I also wanted to see, because there was also the. Well, I guess there's no audio on it. But then I saw, like, obviously the narrative. Like, he must have said something crazy. I know. I know how he talks. I didn't say a word. I was sitting down. We were chilling. I really wish, for the sake of, like, just so people could see. It was nuts. Like, it was. It was as if it was just completely. Yeah. It was caught off guard. Like, there was no. We went. We went from spending. I mean, the first hour of the night was on YouTube, on the live stream. And then we went to Last Lap, after that, a couple other spots. And this is at, like, 2:30, 3 in the morning at this point. We're at, like, a dive bar that I like to go to. And we were. It was like, we're so. We're pissed drunk. We're just like, man, like, reflecting. Like, we're literally just like, reflecting on the year, thinking about next year. All this was like, that. Like, there was no. The. The hint was when he said, you know, one day someone's gonna. You should. Someone's gonna sneak you. That's what he said. And I was like, I'm sorry, what? And I was laughing, and I had a beer in my hand, that I was seated, and it was standing in front of me, like, above me. Because obviously, you know, our height differential. Like.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Julian]

So at this point, I'm like, you know, at his waist or whatever, and he's standing in front of me, and he's like, you know, one day someone's gonna sneak you. And I took. I was like, sorry, what? And he said it again. And I'll. And I. And I said. I put my beard on. And I go, are they here? Like, what are you talking? As if. Like, should I. Like, you know what I mean? Like, what are you right now?

[Rory]

Haha.

[Julian]

And then just. That was it.

[Rory]

Okay.

[Julian]

And then he got dragged. They pulled him off me and kicked him out. That was it. And then I sat there like. Like, what the was that? And I turned to the patrons at the bar. There were like, three other people. It's like four in the morning.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Julian]

Including the manager. And I go, what the Was that. And they look at me and go, you tell us what the that was. I was like. I was like, I don't know. So I just went into the bathroom, like, wiped, like, my. My face, like, threw some water on my face, like, chug to water at the bar, and then just closed my tab and walked home. That was it.

[Rory]

And then you did the podcast, and.

[Julian]

Then the next morning I came in still probably very much drunk.

[Rory]

The next morning? That morning.

[Julian]

That morning. Yeah, you're right. A few hours later, I came in. We were very much still drunk, and then we, you know, regretfully recorded that episode.

[Rory]

But did things change for you when he was unapologetic?

[Julian]

Well, yeah, it was like in real time. I was realizing, like, I was seeing that what. How I had interpreted. It wasn't at all, you know, how he felt or like, you know, I was saying it was a moment like he up, like, whatever, you know, and then clearly that wasn't the. The energy. So. Yeah. Oh, yeah. But Eden's a great worker. Guy's a hell of a videographer, great dj. Like, the guy is good at what he does. So for them to bring him back. Why. Why not? I'm gone. Bring him back. Bring him back.

[Rory]

Okay. Okay. Well, I.

[Julian]

Hey, I can completely understand some people that would say, look, this is. That's piss poor form. HR this, HR that. Sure. But they don't operate like that. So, like, yeah, they'll bring them back. Why not?

[Rory]

I'm gonna give you time to ask me questions if you have any. But what.

[Julian]

No, we're just gonna. That's what I'm saying. Let's just run.

[Rory]

I'm just saying, what prompted you to do that response to them where you basically.

[Julian]

The first episode or the new one?

[Rory]

The new one.

[Julian]

Episode 20. Check it out on something wrong with the podcast. If this is on my channel, congrats, you're already here. But if you're on Danny's channel, give me my pennies. Yeah, just what you need to do right now is unsubscribe from Danny and then subscribe to mine. And then whatever $3 you're giving to Danny, you can just. Venmo. My PayPal is in my link. Just send it to me.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Julian]

And then we can, you know, figure it out from there. But what prompted that response? Honestly? I mean, like, I sound like a broken record with this therapy thing, but, like, I've really. I worked on myself a lot, and in the past, like, I was younger. Working on yourself meant, like, going to the. Just thinking physically, like, Let me exert my energy by lifting weights, playing more basketball, run it or like doing those things. And just like in then letting my mind, letting time go by, which would in turn take my mind off because life is happening. My mind would eventually stop thinking about the very thing that caused the pain or whatever the hell in any case. So. But with this one, I was like, I don't want to let time just like gloss over these few years because it was crazy. It's like I needed to like professionally talk through this, which. Them and many other things. It wasn't like, you know, I went to therapy because of this show. Actually, I didn't at all. I went because of like a. A relationship thing. But in doing so, you used to see so many through lines, through everything. Everything's a pattern. So why I respond to that. I saw the, the clip that you're an Everything you do warrants are like, I wouldn't be responding to anybody if you weren't the one clipping all this up. Yeah, well, you don't need to die. But like, say you forgot your login and couldn't post it. Yeah, say you got deactivated. Like, but that clip was sent to me and I just started laughing. I was like, what is this? It's like, this is nonsense.

[Rory]

So I've been talking about you.

[Julian]

They were. So we don't have to lie anymore. It's fine. I don't have a fucking team to report to. So I started. I was like, what the. So I talked to a few people in this, in the industry that I. That I care to talk about. And I really wanted it. To sit. Sit with it. So I didn't. I'm not a knee jerk guy. I didn't tweet something. I didn't like jump and record or just. I. I took what was like four or five days after that. I think I caught it two days after it already come out. So I was like a few days late to the party to begin with. But then I had therapy that Thursday night. I had really shitty sleep and it was because that was like, it was festering and I was like, I was at the tipping point of like, I need to say something. Like, this is. I can't just. Yeah, like, I have. I know. I. I was. At this point I was convinced I was committed to responding. It was just a matter of like, how. So then luckily that next morning I had therapy, went to my. To speak with him and I. We focused our whole hour on that specific clip. Not the clip, but like the. We didn't talk about you at all. I said, there's this Danny. And he was like. He was like, oh, that guy. Yeah, that guy.

[Rory]

Very niche.

[Julian]

My therapist knew exactly who you were, who was a Penn graduate. So, no, he. I explained to him, and he had known about my pod stuff, so he had, like, some context. I didn't have to, like, get him up to speed on everything, but in within regards to that moment. And I said to him, which is what I said in the clip, like, how frustrating it was to just be, you know, this whole new narrative of, like, I was check out, and just like, what a dismissive way to just excuse me, all your problems and just, like, rid yourself of any ownership or, like, you know, just own it. It's your company. It's your team. Like, this is your thing. You guys created the environment. It's your company. You did it. I'm a player in a. In a. On a team. Like, that was my role in that whole situation. I didn't run the team. So we talked, and then I went home. Didn't record anything that night. Had some thoughts, whatever, and then. Bless you. That next day, I ended up just recording on my regular schedule.

[Rory]

Yeah. In it, you revealed some information. Not as much as I've gotten. Like a regular Walter Cronkite, if you ask me, but do you know who that is? Probably not.

[Julian]

I know who Walter Cronkite is.

[Rory]

I doubt it. All right, so you reveal a lot. You said that the serious deal, they weren't living up to metrics.

[Julian]

Yeah.

[Rory]

What does that mean?

[Julian]

You know what that means?

[Rory]

I don't know what that means because I'm not serious. So, like, I obviously know what metrics are, but I'm not serious.

[Julian]

You're a clown.

[Rory]

Just to be accountable to.

[Julian]

No, I mean, like, it's like any. You know, in entertainment, if you sign a contract and there's a download threshold you have to hit if you're not hitting those downloads and, like, you know, conversations have to happen.

[Rory]

Like rates. Ad rates.

[Julian]

Yeah, well, like, it was. Sure. Ad rates. And, like, you know how much money we're willing. We are willing to. We're going to change the amount of money we send you monthly because, you know, we were under the impression that you would bring in this much money for us when, in fact, that may not be the case. So whatever.

[Rory]

Yeah, okay. So what did you do to, like, help them get those? Like, what did.

[Julian]

What is your expertise with what.

[Rory]

How did you help them get downloads? You made it seem like your help.

[Julian]

Well, I Mean, there was a. Clearly a. I mean, the immediate thing was the New Year's Eve story brought in a surplus to the Patreon. It nearly doubled in monthly because of that story.

[Rory]

The backpack.

[Julian]

Yes, got it. Yeah. In. In that email that I sent. It wasn't emotionally charged. It was very much like metric based. So there was that. The. The T shirt, the bare minimum shirts that we. That we did.

[Rory]

You couldn't see that though, right? That was something you just inferred.

[Julian]

No, I got all the numbers.

[Rory]

You had the numbers from the Patreon. How much they make them. I'm joking.

[Julian]

I would never do that. You can do. But like, you can do them if you really care. Like, just. You can kind of. There's three tiers. You know, you would assume most people have the middle tier. So average out the tiers. Maybe give that one like a 2015 boost. 1520 boost. And then, you know, do them.

[Rory]

I was trying to do that for Joe's. Trying to find it.

[Julian]

Probably figure it out.

[Rory]

Can you help me find it?

[Julian]

Find the number? Yeah, like, no, I just told you how to do it.

[Rory]

You can do, like, do the middle tier.

[Julian]

So. Yeah. How many tiers does Joe have?

[Rory]

Well, he has four, so.

[Julian]

Four. So then just do. Do the. Does it show how many subs he has?

[Rory]

No.

[Julian]

Oh, that's. You need that number, Rory.

[Rory]

And more don't show.

[Julian]

Oh, I know that, but.

[Rory]

So that's. You have a trick.

[Julian]

But I. Well, I know that because I know the number. Like, but. Well, then you can't do it.

[Rory]

Yeah. So why. Who care?

[Julian]

Why do you care about that?

[Rory]

Because why does that matter? Create a lot of chaos. If I found that number out, I would be able to destroy the show.

[Julian]

Why? No, Dr. Duvendorf, whatever.

[Rory]

And then I can make content about the show being this. I would. I would just throw it out there and just watch the fireworks and then react.

[Julian]

But put it this way, Joe's making a lot more money than most people, I would say. Yeah, a lot more.

[Rory]

He's playing a different. Like his. His comment section looks like YouTube on Patreon. It's crazy.

[Julian]

That's great.

[Rory]

I was joking about destroying the show, but when Joe dissed Rory and Mall, it seemed like they didn't want to respond.

[Julian]

When was. I'll put it this way, Mall never wants to respond to Joe, so you'll never hear anything from all except like the laughing emojis. That's his thing.

[Rory]

And you. Yeah. You was dissing Mall, though. You talk about how late he was. Sure was that an issue for everybody?

[Julian]

Yes.

[Rory]

Okay.

[Julian]

Yeah. No, it was just me. Really, really only got under my skin.

[Rory]

Okay.

[Julian]

Yeah. You think that helped when Rory had a kid, a newborn. You think it was. You think he loved waiting in that studio for hours?

[Rory]

No.

[Julian]

Yeah. I mean, it doesn't. I'm not like, this isn't like anything that's, like, you know, earth shattering when someone commits to a time and they never show up on time. It's frustrating for everybody. Invol.

[Rory]

Do you ever have excuses?

[Julian]

Like, today you're paying for the studio space. If I showed up a fucking. An hour late, that's rude. It's like, there's a. There's money involved. Like, there's people's time involved. As he's here, we have shit to do. Like, people have stuff to do outside of, you know, just this.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Julian]

So, yeah, I think that's like, common decency.

[Rory]

It's interesting because when I think about Mall, it's like, I don't know what he does well, but he's necessary. Like, I think it was like that with the Joe Pie. Like, I know he's needed.

[Julian]

We always used to say Mal has a tendency to just always fall upward. It's really impressive. Like, it's. Some people just have that, like, just a gift. Like. Well, he does on Mike. He's in a great podcast. Like, I'm not taking away anything from him, like, on the. On the. On the mic or on the show itself. But, like, you'd look at the intangible. You. When you hear people like, the. You know, they work so hard. First one in, last one. I like all those things you hear about, like, the great. And in any industry, not just obviously podcasting, but, like, you see all that stuff and you're like, damn. Like, wow.

[Rory]

Yeah. Yeah. I. I do wonder. But they never said why he was able to show up late.

[Julian]

I mean, it's the. The we always. It was a running job. The lame. This excuses. Traffic's crazy. I mean, if I looked up traffic's crazy keyword, search it on my phone, it would be like, oh, are you.

[Rory]

Still in the group chat?

[Julian]

No.

[Rory]

Who left the group chat first?

[Julian]

I don't remove myself from anything. They. They took care of all that. It's fine.

[Rory]

Oh, damn. Who do you know? Was it like, Rory kicked you out?

[Julian]

I. I don't. I don't even think I can see it. I don't know.

[Rory]

Damn, I'm sorry.

[Julian]

Yeah, that run really hurt.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Julian]

Getting fired was one thing, but getting removed from the just, like, brutal like.

[Rory]

Real, like, you out of here, bro. Like, that's like. That's. For me. Like, I definitely have kicked people out. My, like, stopper group chat.

[Julian]

Where's your group chat exist?

[Rory]

It's like Twitter. I mostly do on Twitter and also text, so if I had to, like, block people, and it's, like, heartbreaking. Yeah, it's like Nino on the roof with G money. Yeah.

[Julian]

Mall cares a lot about the social aspect of things.

[Rory]

What do you mean by that?

[Julian]

Like, he immediately blocked me on everything, which is funny. It's pretty funny. I think it's hilarious. He's like, you know, 40, 42, whatever it is. It's like, that's like, the first place he went was to block me on Twitter. Rory's very much like me. Rory and I still follow each other. I don't, like. I don't this. That part of the world to me. Like, the. Oh, that. I gotta unfollow that. That's peanuts. That doesn't matter. I don't care to, like, do that. But it's funny how much that matters to certain people.

[Rory]

I just don't get why Mall, instead of addressing you, he just tweets out laughing emojis.

[Julian]

I mean, that's for everybody. That's like the. That's the thing.

[Rory]

It's just not like, you know, I. I think Mall subscribes to, like, Jay Z albums as the way to live life. So I think, like, his made men don't make statements thing is, like, tweeting emojis. Like, made men don't make statements, but they tweet emojis. And I think that's what Maul does. And I think it's. I. I'm not the one who should be calling anyone corny considering what people think of me, but I think that's incredibly corny. Like, just the way he just tweets out laughing emojis. And then it's like. And then he'll go on the pod and be like, oh, I don't really care about that shit, but why are you tweeting all these? I don't understand. I don't get it.

[Julian]

Yeah, I mean, that was, like, the. The usual flow of things when, like, if you were upset or felt away about something, it was very much like, talk about it off camera before we record. And then we would. Damaris, Rory and I would say, do we want to talk about this on the show? Because you seem very passionate about whatever happened. Like, nah, that. So then we'd be like, all right, regular scheduled program. We'll just go into, like, the show. I guess my favorite thing is, like, the people that go to my. That do like, the spaces or anytime I talk or whatever, and they just. It's just like the ragtag pile on Julian segment.

[Rory]

And I'm like, every time, every night.

[Julian]

This was. Every time, every time I say anything, and it's like, who are you? Like, what are we?

[Rory]

They basically just say what Marl says about you.

[Julian]

Yeah, I'm gay. I'm gay. Oh, my God. His eyes up. He's a loser. I'm so happy. Then just stop talking about me. Like, just let it go.

[Rory]

What about that theory that people say that. Yo, how come you're still talking about it? Who you like the breakup?

[Julian]

Well, I'm not talking about it. The thing is, like, this is my life. So again, through there, through therapy, I'm again, like, I'm taking back when certainly the. The response we have made. Like, when that. When that happened. It's like, I'm not letting old me would have, like, not said anything, but I'm not letting you control that narrative about some bullshit. I'm just not. I'm not that guy anymore. Like, I. Again, all the. The stuff that we just said about me being a. I'm gay. Sure, maybe I am say the same thing about. But guess what? This is going to fight back now. I'm confident and I'm. And I'm very comfortable with who I am. Sorry, you maybe not. I don't even need to drag. You know who you are. You're probably. You'll be all right. First and the 15th. I just am in a much better mental health space that, bro. I don't think, like, I hinted at it, but I was. It was a really dark, depressive state. I did a dry January, which was, like, great and, like, transformative and really had like, a positive change in my physical health. But I lost, like, 10 to 15 pounds. And I was like, wow, this trigger was it. And then I, like, thought about it after. I was like, I wasn't eating. Like, I was, bro. I was like, it was the. It was like I was depressed, famished. Yeah. And it's like I never looked at it again. God, I keep saying I was talking to my therapist. I was like, bro, like, yeah, I believe in, like, depression, all that. Like, mental health, all that. But, like, as I'm literally talking to my therapist, but I'm like, that don't really, like, resonate. Yeah, it doesn't, like, happen, though. Like, yeah, I'm like, it doesn't affect me, but again, being months removed from that and like, seeing how I was that entire month of January, also, like, seeing, you know, online, the berating and just, like, constant, like, kicking on my back in and like, all these things are being said about me before I had the ability to get my show up in. While all that's happening, I don't have a job, I don't have a paycheck. So I'm paying rent with money that I don't have savings. I'm dipping into savings. I. I am, you know, getting all this equipment, figuring out how to use it, like, and then in also having to spend money that I don't really have on more equipment to then, you know, learn it and then become efficient in all these things. Before going live, talking to a designer for, like, the logo, like, there's. My life is happening so fast and so immediate, but I was so quiet in that process. I really was. Like, I internalized a lot of it. I wasn't vocal online, but I also wasn't talk. Talking much to my friends or my family at that. You guys, if you've seen enough of my content, you know how much I like to lean on them when I need to. But I really just, like, took it all in. And I would go like a day or, you know, 18 hours at a time without eating and then like, maybe have like, a protein bar and then pass out and then wake up, get right back into my studio chair and do it all again. Figuring everything out like, it was not healthy. But, like, I'm learning. You can't just distract yourself from. From the issue at hand. My default is to stay busy because it'll keep my mind off of the actual problem.

[Rory]

So.

[Julian]

And it was very, like, tangible. I was like, okay, this day I'm focusing on lighting. I can see, like, a great, you know, landscaper. They can see their work. They can see the progress of what they did, the before and the after. I would be able to see it. I would see the yellowing of the light or whatever, and then I would see when I got the light balance right. Like, I was. That in that time was enough joy and brought me enough purpose to justify all the. That I was putting myself through. That was really hurting me at the time.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Julian]

Now it's what we're in June. It's really not that long ago. It was five months ago.

[Rory]

It's really recent.

[Julian]

It's very recent. But I'm in such a different space, which is why I'm kind of happy that when they took that last shot or whatever it happened when it did because if it had happened in say February or even March or whatever, like at a different time, I may have not have been at the place where I am now to even I could have handled it. I would have feel like I may have wanted to respond but I may have handled it differently. I've handled it sloppy but, you know, and it just probably wouldn't have gone the way in which I hoped it would have. So a lot of this does come down for me at least to timing, you know. And on that first episode I look back at it and it's like, you know, the people keep focusing on the poem or whatever. That was the extent and the comfort level to which I was at, at that time, which is significantly different than where I am today. And it's cool that that's on camera. That moment will live on and whatever. Like it launched my show. I'm thankful that I was able to do that and get to that point. But it is, I look at that version of myself. I haven't rewatched it but if I were to it would probably get emotional. That was very difficult to do. And then also just not know what was going to happen reception wise and like, you know, and. And also anticipating another wave of hate that would last forever because that's just the nature of the game. So it's like I don't know what this is even about this tangent but that like I've, I'm just, I'm just even this. If you had asked me to do this a month or two ago, I just wouldn't, I couldn't. I just wanted to. But it's, it's my life and I know it's content, I know it's entertainment but it's also, it's very much affects my life and my, you know, reputation and I'm here to speak from my pers, share my perspective and be honest about my lived experience. That's all I want to do.

[Rory]

There you have it.

[Julian]

That's it. I'm gay.

[Rory]

Finally. Finally. I've been looking for something for you to reveal. But anyway, that was Julian, man. Shout out to Julian.

[Julian]

Big Jules Vegas. That was shout out to my parents. My parents were in town this weekend. We went to two shows, Boz and Jameson. My parents had them sick industry week and that's why it's cool to like do in this industry when like there are actual rewards.

[Rory]

Magnum opus.

[Julian]

Sure. Yeah. My parents did boss at Sony Hall. Then Jameson did a public records which it was so Sick.

[Rory]

Who the hell is. Who are those people?

[Julian]

Jameson.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Julian]

Well, boss is.

[Rory]

Oh, that's that white dude.

[Julian]

Yeah.

[Rory]

Okay. That's like bald.

[Julian]

Yep. I have an interview. He's the guy. M. S. And yeah, his viral song soft spot is.

[Rory]

Is.

[Julian]

He's insane. None of his music sounds the same. So if you like that song, try another version of him.

[Rory]

It's like Jamaraquai but not as cool.

[Julian]

He Low key. That's a hype. Like a good comp for him because he's so. Yeah, he's very different. I mean, he started off R B. He worked a lot with Kendrick. He did a lot of. He worked with Kendrick production and backing vocals on Good Kid Mad City, and he worked with him on them. I'm pretty sure he did some stuff on To Pimp a Butterfly. But he's. He's incredibly talented. He produces, plays guitar and writes. We did the episode together on my show in la, which was like a big moment for. I was a huge fan of his. Like a fan fan. Way before I got into this industry. I saw him live in Chicago in like 20, 15, 16.

[Rory]

I'm gonna check him out.

[Julian]

Yeah, he was great. And Boz is like, you know, one of my. I'm gonna. We're gonna hang out after this. We're gonna go watch the game seven.

[Rory]

Oh, I gotta watch that too. Who wins tonight? Picking the Pacers.

[Julian]

I hate the Pacers, so I'm gonna hold on to okc. They. They're at home. They gotta. The. I will say the Pacers are just playing. They're a better team. They're more experienced.

[Rory]

Okay.

[Julian]

They're more experienced. They have Coach Carlisle, who's a better coach. Like okc. If they win, it's because their talent outweighed the Pacers whole thing because they're. They're young. They're figuring it out. They're in like that. The fact that they're here is like, tough enough.

[Rory]

Man. That's the guy.

[Julian]

He's the man I. With the Knicks, man. We got to figure it out. We need a good. We need to lock in someone, a quality coach, because we can't jump from Thibodeau and then hire someone that's like a worse version of Thibodeau.

[Rory]

You just fire him.

[Julian]

I know, I know. I'm saying like, we. But I thought I was convinced we fired Thibodeau. It's because we already have the next person ready to go. They're already with the team locking. It turns out we don't have a guy so now we're, like, scrambling publicly.

[Rory]

Somebody will go.

[Julian]

Someone will.

[Rory]

But it's, like, free themselves up.

[Julian]

It doesn't seem like it's the right in terms of, like, what we were initially looking after for in a person. We're not getting the coach we wanted, so there you have it. There we go.

[Rory]

Julian, it's been a pleasure, man.

[Julian]

Thank you, buddy. If it's Sunday, reach across the aisle.

[Rory]

All right. All right. Thank you, everybody.

[Julian]

Pace. Oh, we can be honest.

[Rory]

I.

[Julian]

This is the thing, like, I know.