SWWP #27 - Clipse & Bieber Album Reviews, Drake At Wireless (ft. Jordan From Complex)

Summary

Podcast Summary: Something Wrong With The Podcast

Title: SWWP #27 - Clipse & Bieber Album Reviews, Drake At Wireless (ft. Jordan From Complex)
Host/Author: Julian Delgado
Release Date: July 22, 2025

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Introduction

In Episode 27 of "Something Wrong With The Podcast," host Julian Delgado welcomes Jordan from Complex as his guest. The episode delves into comprehensive reviews of recent album releases by Clipse and Justin Bieber, alongside an in-depth discussion on Drake's performance at the Wireless Festival.

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Guest Introduction and Initial Banter (00:00 - 03:35)

• Jordan: Highlights his connection with Complex Media, emphasizing the alignment of his perspectives with the parent company, Network.

  • “We are Network. And network. It's not just Complex, it's Network.” (01:11)

• Julian (Jordan): Expresses admiration for Jordan’s talents, particularly his editing skills, and their longstanding friendship.

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Clipse’s Album "Push" Review (03:35 - 07:00)

• Discussion Points:

  • Historical Context: Clipse's evolution from their early solo projects around 2012-2013 to their resurgence with "Push."

  • Beef with Drake: Originated from beef with Birdman, escalating as Drake intervened, creating significant media buzz.

    • “Birdman Beef. That escalated to, like, Drake taking up for it.” (04:24)

  • Album Rollout Strategy: Clipse employed a traditional rollout by engaging extensively with media outlets, contrasting with current social media-driven strategies.

    • “They went to every single media outlet. Podcast. Almost every podcast.” (07:03)

  • Musical Analysis: The album is praised for its masterful production, lyrical depth, and cohesiveness.

    • “The two albums he put out before Daytona were, if you're a hip hop fan. Okay. But they weren't, you know.” (05:07)

  • Sales and Reception: Clipse's album achieved impressive first-week sales of 90k, attributed partly to physical sales and a dedicated fan base.

    • “It's incredible for a 20, 25 Clipse album to sell 90k.” (14:27)

• Notable Quotes:

  • “But throughout the rollout, you could tell they had a formula.” (08:18)
  • “They figured out their formula. And, like, it's like Pusha was a dynamite.” (09:33)

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Justin Bieber’s Album "Swag" Review (25:48 - 43:57)

• Overview:

  • Album Details: Justin Bieber released "Swag," featuring 21 tracks over 54 minutes, blending different musical styles.
  • Production Collaboration: Collaboration with a talented producer and guitarist is highlighted as a strength.
    • “Justin just took an album from this guy. And that's not an insult. Like that guy's a freak producer and guitar player.” (26:36)

• Critical Analysis:

  • Features and Skits: The album includes assorted features and skits, some of which received mixed reactions.

    • “My favorite track on is the Birds Don't Sing.” (11:26)
    • “The MSRP cursing on any of the tracks.” (10:34)

  • Personal Reflections: Julian and Jordan discuss Bieber’s introspective tracks, addressing themes like fatherhood and personal growth.

    • “He hasn't shaped like he's still true to, like, why he left the game and has come back.” (09:35)

  • Production Quality: The album is lauded for its high production quality, with meticulous mixing and mastering.

    • “Like, you can tell it's expensive. Like Pharrell does.” (12:39)

• Ratings and Opinions:

  • Clipse's Album: Given a 9/10 for its depth and cohesiveness.

    • “I would probably give it like a nine.” (25:48)

  • Bieber’s Album: Rated an 8/10, appreciating its strengths while noting minor critiques.

    • “I'm giving this one, like, a cool eight.” (43:08)

• Notable Quotes:

  • “But even that part of it of going from talking to Clipse to this, it's like Bieber did the complete inverse of Clipse.” (36:16)
  • “It's a really, really good album and I love how these great albums are coming.” (43:39)

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Drake at Wireless Festival Review (46:34 - 74:35)

• Performance Overview:

  • Festival Comparison: The Wireless Festival is likened to a mid-sized US music festival, akin to GO Ball, with notable stage setups and artist lineups.

    • “It's like if I were to compare it to a US sized music festival, it's like maybe half or maybe like relatively the same size as like Gov Ball.” (48:17)

  • Set Highlights: Drake performed over three days, showcasing diverse musical styles each night.

    • “Three show, three days, three different sounds.” (45:30)

• Controversial Moments:

  • Kendrick Chants Incident: Drake faced backlash for making critical remarks about UK rappers during his performance.

    • “It's like, you can't outrun that moment.” (48:37)

  • Tattoo Cover-Up: Drake covered up a tattoo related to a personal betrayal, sparking discussions on his personal decisions.

    • “It's corny, but... that's what makes Drake Drake like this.” (54:44)

• Industry Impact:

  • Longevity and Influence: Drake is recognized for his sustained influence in the music industry, comparable to sports legends like LeBron James.

    • “Drake. Like LeBron operating in rare air.” (52:22)

  • Fan Engagement: The discussion touches on how Drake's global tour focuses on international markets, reflecting his widespread fan base.

    • “He's clearly leaning into his international fan base which he does have a large market in.” (47:47)

• Notable Quotes:

  • “He's never been a parasocial relationship or something like that.” (52:46)
  • “I'm telling you, bro, to land on your feet when... Drake fatigue was building.” (64:33)

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Discussion on Nikki Minaj and SZA (68:01 - 77:02)

• Personal Opinions:

  • Nikki Minaj: Julian expresses strong negative sentiments towards Nikki Minaj, criticizing her behavior and influence.

    • “She's always been the most immature one in any spat that she's having.” (68:19)

  • SZA: While briefly mentioned, the focus remains largely on Nikki Minaj's actions and their repercussions in the music industry.

• Fan Culture and 'Stan' Phenomenon:

  • Evolution of 'Stan': The conversation explores how the term "Stan," originally coined by Eminem to describe obsessive fans, has evolved with social media.

    • “It's like Stan inflation. Because in that time, in that era, to be considered a Stan, you have to legitimately be a stalker.” (75:30)

  • Impact of Social Media: The accessibility provided by social platforms has transformed fan interactions, contributing to toxic behaviors and heightened scrutiny.

    • “Like, you can say you're a Stan, but it can be validated by how many followers that account has.” (75:30)

• Mental Health and Public Scrutiny:

  • Artists' Well-being: The hosts express concern over the mental toll that fame and constant public scrutiny take on artists like Nikki Minaj.
    • “Does she need help? Like, does she... does she dead ass need to seek some type of help?” (71:31)

• Notable Quotes:

  • “It's just, it's like, what. It's like the Trump thing. It's like this guy can say whatever he wants.” (71:58)
  • “It's like living in that space is dangerous.” (75:52)

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Closing Remarks and Appreciation (77:02 - 78:35)

• Host Gratitude: Julian thanks Jordan for joining the podcast, highlighting their friendship and Jordan’s contributions to hip-hop media.

  • “Thank you. First, for having me on the show, but second, to, like, see how you've built this out.” (77:05)

• Final Thoughts: Both hosts reflect on the discussions, emphasizing the importance of genuine content creation and supporting authentic voices in the music industry.

• Closing Quotes:

  • “Nothing wrong with the pussy.” (78:35)

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Key Takeaways

1. Clipse’s "Push" is lauded for its mature themes, production quality, and effective traditional media rollout, achieving significant sales and re-establishing their presence in hip-hop.

2. Justin Bieber’s "Swag" receives positive reviews for its production and introspective content, though certain skits and feature choices receive minor critiques. The album shows Bieber's growth and personal reflections.

3. Drake’s Wireless Festival Performance showcases his versatility and enduring influence, albeit marred by controversial moments that highlight the challenges of maintaining relevance and managing public perception.

4. Discussion on Fan Culture highlights the transformation of fan relationships in the age of social media, emphasizing the potential for toxic behaviors and the mental health implications for artists.

5. Critical Perspectives on Artists like Nikki Minaj reveal the hosts' concerns over toxic fan interactions and the pressures of maintaining public personas, advocating for more genuine and introspective engagements within the industry.

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Notable Quotes

• “They're very attentive. Like, super intentional with every word.” – Julian (02:37)
• “They let the fucking music speak type shit, which was incredible.” – Julian (09:43)
• “They figured out their formula.” – Jordan (08:18)
• “This is going to be a testament to more people through this rollout.” – Jordan (20:03)
• “He is the goat. He's a goat.” – Jordan (44:35)
• “It's corny, but... that's what makes Drake Drake like this.” – Jordan (54:44)

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Conclusion

Episode 27 of "Something Wrong With The Podcast" provides an insightful analysis of Clipse’s and Justin Bieber’s latest albums, offering listeners a balanced critique of both artists' works. Additionally, the episode navigates the complexities surrounding Drake’s performances and the evolving nature of fan interactions in the digital age. Through candid conversations and expert perspectives, Julian Delgado and Jordan from Complex deliver a rich and engaging exploration of contemporary music and its cultural implications.

Transcript

[Jordan]

Nothing wrong with the pussy. Nothing wrong with the pussy.

[Unnamed Guest]

It's a nice camera, though. It's a nice camera.

[Jordan]

Shout out. That's shout out to my political connection, dude.

[Unnamed Guest]

Dude said, I don't know about tech. Has a whole. Has a whole like eight.

[Jordan]

Eight. Eight camera switcher.

[Unnamed Guest]

Like. Like, what the. Like, you're bugging, bro.

[Jordan]

It's eight cameras, bro. Yeah, but I flew all this down to Dreamville, bro. I bought. I bought a travel backpack for all this stuff, bro.

[Unnamed Guest]

Walking through the heat with the suitcase to the artist compound.

[Jordan]

I put it in a boss's trailer. Didn't touch it for the whole weekend.

[Unnamed Guest]

Dude was like, yeah, I'm gonna do content out here.

[Jordan]

I didn't shoot a single thing.

[Unnamed Guest]

Like, what? Got drunk. Fucking. Look, I fuck with the ambition of it all.

[Jordan]

Yeah, but like, yeah, we. We were wild. Anyway, rolling start. Hi, everybody. Welcome to. This is episode 27 of Something Wrong with the Podcast. I have one of my closest friends in the industry in this game. The face and voice of Complex. Everything he says is the definitive stance of Complex Media. And who's the parent company?

[Unnamed Guest]

Let it be known right now. Network.

[Jordan]

We are network. And network. It's not just complex, it's. And network. He. Everything he says on here is the goal. Golden word of not only complex, but network.

[Unnamed Guest]

Every thought is my own. Any. Any opinions?

[Jordan]

Jordan from Complex.

[Unnamed Guest]

Finally made it. Something wrong with the podcast.

[Jordan]

Oh, Jesus. You may have seen Jordan in every mosh pit of every concert you've ever been to on the field of every festival, doing incredible extensive interviews and not only being the face, but also you're really good at editing.

[Unnamed Guest]

Listen.

[Jordan]

Thank you. I know that means a lot to like someone because a lot of people can do the talent side, but that editing, this is a whole nother.

[Unnamed Guest]

Listen.

[Jordan]

This crazy cap cut fries me every.

[Unnamed Guest]

Time I jump in there.

[Jordan]

Yeah, every time. But you got it. The best way to become a weapon is to know every. Every fucking part of the gun. Like you. Yeah, man, you're really my guy, bro. Like, you know, I pause consume a lot of your content. So I always get happy when I obviously follow you and see your content. Obviously following Complex, but also just like bouncing on the explore page and seeing you just like, you know, break down some like, shit that I wouldn't have known otherwise. I mean, that's great.

[Unnamed Guest]

Thank you, man. And I'm glad to finally be on. Something wrong with the podcast. Yeah, really a self starter. A do it your own guy, right?

[Jordan]

Like me.

[Unnamed Guest]

I'm joking about the text, but it's genuinely impressive that you're able to figure all this shit out.

[Jordan]

Yeah, I know. I learned just a little bit. I need to know, and I will have no motivation to learn anything more beyond this point. But we are here. You are the first guest in my new studio, which we just established. Used to be my former bedroom.

[Unnamed Guest]

Insane. Like, I don't know if you can really get the scope. It looks like it's very cozy setup, but imagine a bed in this space.

[Jordan]

Imagine having the option to have a much larger bedroom and choosing the one that could be a walking closet.

[Unnamed Guest]

I feel like that's trauma, but, like.

[Jordan]

Maybe like another excuse to address my upbringing. Yeah, man. So I'm so glad you're here because I really wanted to do the. We had some major music moments over this weekend with the Clips. Drake at wireless and Bieber. Bieber and currently Nikki and Sza, which is, like, happening right now.

[Unnamed Guest]

Actively.

[Jordan]

Actively. But where should we start? You pick, man.

[Unnamed Guest]

I feel like let's start with clips, man.

[Jordan]

Clips. So we're about the same. I mean, growing up, this was like our. For me, for sure. And then I went to college, met a lot of people from the dmv and they were like. That was their whole identity. So hearing them malice is 52 pushes. What, 48, something like that. Seeing this at this point, not only like, their career is great, but like, their lives. Like Malice coming back and clips. I mean, in Push, just going on an insane solo run to get to this point. Because we got to remember when clips is like 2012, 2013, he was putting out projects that were solo albums. And if you're a hip hop fan, they were cool. But, like, he wasn't who he is now. He wasn't like this guy that runs towards confrontation, bodies every. Like, he tried it. The Birdman Drake, that was.

[Unnamed Guest]

That's what started it all.

[Jordan]

That's what started it.

[Unnamed Guest]

Birdman Beef. That escalated to, like, Drake taking up for it. Yeah, that's what. That's what started it off.

[Jordan]

You could tell he was like, Push. His mindset was like, I'm fishing for someone to bite.

[Unnamed Guest]

Oh, for sure.

[Jordan]

And once you bite, I'm. This is my moment.

[Unnamed Guest]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

And he got the right one to bite. Like, it was Drake and he was like, I'm swinging. Like, I got it.

[Unnamed Guest]

I mean, but okay, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on. Because I want to say, like, Daytona still, like, stamped. Definitely, though. You're right. Pre Drake Beef, I would say the larger, like, music, hip hop adjacent consumer was not tapped in as they should have to push a T. For sure.

[Jordan]

The two albums he put out before Daytona were, if you're a hip hop fan. Okay. But they weren't, you know.

[Unnamed Guest]

Yeah. Fair.

[Jordan]

Monumental albums.

[Unnamed Guest]

There's a lot of features, a lot of good music.

[Jordan]

Kanye, the Good Music run kind of gave. I mean, not kind of gave him another bump being named the president of good music too, as well. Like, he carried his own on the. The compilation album. Like, he did his thing, but it just wasn't the Daytona.

[Unnamed Guest]

Yeah, for sure. Daytona was definitely like a significant. Especially like in. Like he was older at that time. Like being in his later years. Yeah, it's like second half of his career really rebirthed his shit. For sure. For sure.

[Jordan]

And Kanye committed to. Hey, we're. We're doing this run of albums. They're all going to be X amount of time. I'm producing all of them. And I mean, that's changed everything for.

[Unnamed Guest]

Yeah, that, like the Daytona run, the Beef and then even just like, what was his last joint called?

[Jordan]

Was it Almost Dry?

[Unnamed Guest]

Almost Dry, Yeah. Like, I love that album.

[Jordan]

Great follow up.

[Unnamed Guest]

I went to the album release of that in the City and he had a mountain of coke. Like, I'll never forget. It was like middle of the city, mountain of coke behind the DJ booth. So the DJ was like on a mountain of coke. And the Knicks were playing. I think this was like, around. I had to be like, either playoffs or maybe it was regular season because, like, were the Knicks in the playoffs at that?

[Jordan]

Oh, like that year?

[Unnamed Guest]

What was that, 2022?

[Jordan]

I don't.

[Unnamed Guest]

Probably not, but they. I remember no shade. No sh.

[Jordan]

Relax.

[Unnamed Guest]

This is what have dated because Jesus and Mero were watching the Knicks game, had their phone propped on the mountain of coke.

[Jordan]

I feel like I've seen this video. Yeah, like, them, like, footage of this.

[Unnamed Guest]

And before Push had come out to play the album. Be like that. You know, he. He built. He builds worlds.

[Jordan]

But the clip is like this rollout, man.

[Unnamed Guest]

I mean, yeah, bro. There's real rap, bro. Like, real. It's so funny, though, because it's like I'm seeing obviously, like, and dofully everyone giving so much credit to them for like, oh, what an amazing world. Amazing rollout. But in reality, bro, like, these things are reinventing the wheel. They're just kind of doing what artists stop doing, which is like talking in general. You know what I mean? It's like they went to every single media outlet. Podcast. Almost every podcast.

[Jordan]

Like the ones that matter.

[Unnamed Guest]

All right, I'm serious.

[Jordan]

They went to One what they went to.

[Unnamed Guest]

They went to, like, every. They went to, like, essentially every media temple.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Unnamed Guest]

And talked. Even if they were repeating themselves, even if they were stirring up, it was like. It felt like, what. What's been lacking as, like, you know, media has changed. And, like, you know, know, streaming becomes king, which, funny enough, Push has a bar on the album about, like, what do you say? You stream kings can't fit a crowd in there. Like, yeah, like, what a bar. But it's hard.

[Jordan]

Tickets always speak.

[Unnamed Guest]

Exactly. So. But it's like, you know, they didn't reinvent the wheel. But it's funny because we kind of lost sight of that. And it's dope to see people appreciating that shit that was getting lost in.

[Jordan]

The sauce, you know, I mean, you're right. Like, I. They did a masterful job of. I mean, it sounds like we're giving them so much credit for just doing what anybody could do. But what separates them is, like, they're not Internet personalities. They're not like, omnipresent online. You don't hear from them. You hardly see them together. Like, you can tell they went from the studio to the rollout like there was no. You know, Push can do his own thing. Miles can do his own thing. Like, they. They. They rolled with it together as. As. As brothers and in the spirit of the album. And they most importantly, let the fucking music speak type shit, which was incredible. But throughout the rollout, you could tell they had a formula. Pusha would go out there, stir up a little, say something, take a shot at Travis, whoever it is, and then Mouse would just react or laugh or speak only to the music itself. Like, they figured out their formula. And, like, it's like Pusha was a dynamite. Like, he's like the. The bomb. The. The uranium or the bomb. Pick whichever two of the analogy in itself. But then you add malice, that just is the catalyst that then allows that to become what it. Ultimately what it can be. Because alone, Push is great, but he also not only. He had his brother there to, you know.

[Unnamed Guest]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

Back him up and be like, yeah, yeah.

[Unnamed Guest]

And I think it's even. Also impressive how, like, malice wasn't cursing. He still is, like, not cursing on any of the tracks, you know, like, still very devout. So he hasn't shaped like he's. He's still true to, like, why he left the game and has come back, but it's still maintained those bleeds, which I think is super dope. He talked about it in one of the thousand interviews they did about just, like, how. Man, I wish I could remember which one it was, but it was like, just talking about how, like, he might have been button. Like, how he didn't need to change. Like, he's not. His faith is now a part of, like, what he raps about and is he's able to seamlessly integrate it with his life without it being like. You know, when people go to God and then their raps become ass because it's like now they're kind of either overcompensating or have completely changed their lifestyle and it's reflected in their bars. It's like, Mouse can still rap about coke, but also, like, be super devout religious. Not curse in the line.

[Jordan]

Well, what's cool, like, to what you're saying? Like, even when they are talking about drugs on this album, they're not saying in it. They're not addressing drugs in a way of like, an aspirational way. It. They're talking about it more as a. Like, a shell of the past. So even. I mean, my favorite track on is the Birds Don't Sing. Oh, yeah. Same, same, bro. I talking about this roll out. I watched that tiny desk and they gave like. You know, they explained, hey, this was push Said it's my last conversation with my mom. Mouse is my last conversation with my dad. And here's the art that came from those two moments. And I had no idea what to expect. I'm thinking clips. Like, it's gonna be, you know, I'm sure. But, like, how emotional is this gonna get? I cried right here watching it on these. My speakers here real. And then what's the biggest mind fuck is that song ends and then.

[Unnamed Guest]

And it changes.

[Jordan]

Goes into.

[Unnamed Guest]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

Grinding on the tiny desk.

[Unnamed Guest]

So I'm hearing the.

[Jordan]

And I'm like wiping tears from. I'm like, birds don't say. I'm like. I'm literally crying listening to them, like, from ghetto to ghetto bat. I'm like, why am I crying right now?

[Unnamed Guest]

Yeah. It's funny, though, because it's like the same type of on the album where it's like you start with that.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Unnamed Guest]

Like, beautiful. So my favorite song also.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Unnamed Guest]

Beautiful song. And then you go right to change the fucking whips. Yes. It's like the.

[Jordan]

God, I need a fucking minute.

[Unnamed Guest]

Oh, God. It's like, why am I now hearing, like, all right. Like, I'm not ready for this. Chains and whips. I'm like, I wasn't ready, but it's like, yeah, I think the production is beautiful. You know what's so funny. It's like something I haven't seen people talk about. But it's like when you listen to so much music, especially like I listen to so much like underground rap and just like a whole bunch of like kids who rap. It's like hearing how well engineered and mixed and mastered this album is. It's like I'm in the studio. I can. I can barely hear a breath in between each bar. The beat, like playing that shit in your headphones, you just can tell it's. It's expensive. Like Pharrell does. Not like when he said when for us that they sanded this shit down.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Unnamed Guest]

Like you could tell.

[Jordan]

Yeah. Bringing up the coke bar earlier, this is the line I was trying to find from Malice. He said, see, mine made sure he had every base covered, referring to his dad.

[Unnamed Guest]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

See, imagine his pain finding bass in the cupboard. Like, that's clearly a Coke bar. But I just got the chills. Like reading that line. You're seeing it from a reflective place now in a place of growth where as a younger 25, 30 years ago, that would be a braggadoci. We used to hot coke and our parents crib, and now it's like we upset our rock. Our dad who took us on fishing trips, who loved our mother who raised us, who was actually a father to our friends. It's such a mature way to reflect on your past life.

[Unnamed Guest]

That was a bar. You said we affected our rock. Hold on.

[Jordan]

What? Oh.

[Unnamed Guest]

But that's a fact though. Yeah, but it's even funnier though, because it's like they have. They reflect growth, but also still like appease their base. Like they did a again, showing how crazy the rollout has been.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Unnamed Guest]

Even they took it a step further, I think. Like it was this past week or last week, they went on Hip hop heads Reddit, the hip hop heads Reddit thread and oh, the.

[Jordan]

The Q and A.

[Unnamed Guest]

Yes. They were like, ask us anything and we'll answer it.

[Jordan]

Great.

[Unnamed Guest]

And somebody. I saw a screenshot. Somebody was like, should I sell coke?

[Jordan]

Yes.

[Unnamed Guest]

And he was like, push was like, tomorrow. Yeah.

[Jordan]

And Malice said like, if you want to drive the same car I drive.

[Unnamed Guest]

So fucking funny. And it's just. It's like they. They know how to feed their base.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Unnamed Guest]

And not for nothing. And I'm not a numbers guy. Like, I'm really not.

[Jordan]

No, not at all.

[Unnamed Guest]

I'm not a first week sales. I'm not that type of guy. But it's. It's dope to see that the projected numbers as of the recording of this came out like today or yesterday.

[Jordan]

90, right?

[Unnamed Guest]

90, yeah. Which is like really, really, really fucking good. It's incredible for a 20, 25 clips album to sell 90k. And like, a large part of that was probably, like, physical sales. Like. Yeah, that's. That's some aspirational shit.

[Jordan]

And what's cool for me that I love is like, I'm. You're seeing online via, you know, comments on. On YouTube or any of these outlets that they've hit during this rollout. The our generation and older. Like, yeah, I was middle school, like, when Mr. Me Too and all that. I remember my dad bought like, in my mind and like all that, like, even like Nerd Pharrell, like that whole era and I'm having that nostalgic kick.

[Unnamed Guest]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

And the older heads are having that, like, damn, we used to be outside with that. But now what I. I sell as a teacher, dude, I can't stop. Help but thinking about, like, the youth and the younger kids. I think it's so cool that this is their first, like, Injection of Eclipse album and. And they get to experience this new album for the first time. Probably discovering clips for the first time and then also going back and doing research and then now seeing all. Yeah. Be like, oh, that Push. A guy is the guy that maybe they were old enough to understand what happened in 2018, but if not, guess what? They can learn about Pusha T's solo career. They can learn about Pharrell's early, like, you know, like, I think it's such a cool learning moment to drop an incredible, incredible album and then give the kids the ability. I've been listening to like, they're Virginia's on the tiny desk. I've been listening to Virginia like, all the early albums. I'm like, damn, I just gotta start listening to this again.

[Unnamed Guest]

Yeah. And like.

[Jordan]

Like, you know, not.

[Unnamed Guest]

Not to. Not to have everything go back to Drake. But it's like, there's a reason why.

[Jordan]

But it's a part of the story and.

[Unnamed Guest]

No, but not even that. It's like there's a reason why. On Duppy Freestyle, Drake says that he had a microphone that Push had signed.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Unnamed Guest]

Because Drake was still a rap nerd when he was like, first coming up and he admired and idolized the clips and pushed.

[Jordan]

Still is a rap. You don't lose that.

[Unnamed Guest]

Yeah. Fact. Still is a rapper for sure. But it's like it shows that they had been the shit.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Unnamed Guest]

And now, like, you're saying, like, a whole new generation is being Introduced to them with this, like, really, really well crafted.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Unnamed Guest]

Hip hop album. It's like some real rap shit. They didn't fucking go. And I wouldn't have judged them for it, but they didn't like tap like a. You know, a pop star. They didn't get Sabrina Carpenter on the. And I love Serena Carpenter, but it's like they didn't try to like.

[Jordan]

Yeah, they didn't like sell out for the now.

[Unnamed Guest]

Yeah. They didn't try to bleed into. And Def Jam. Def Jam dropped their asses.

[Jordan]

So this is essentially over that Kendrick.

[Unnamed Guest]

Yeah, this is essentially an independent album that is about to sell 90k and shows us, like, when you really dive deep into yourselves, deep into the art, and then also into just like feeding your fans by like, not with just the music, but communicating with them. Give. Because also I think that why people resonate so much with this rollout is because roll outs like this worked in the past.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Unnamed Guest]

When artists didn't have social media. So the only way you would learn about them is via these interviews. And Push and Malice don't really. Like, they'd be on Social, but like, they don't share as much as the current day celebrity or artists. So it's like you're learning about this process. You're learning about the creation of this album through these interviews as what happened back in the day rather than watching it on IG Live like that happens now.

[Jordan]

I learned more about Malice in this than I ever. And Push. I mean, obviously we knew more about Push just because he's more outside, but, like, there was so much I learned about Malice. I do want to ask you because you had the opportunity to sit down with them a couple years ago.

[Unnamed Guest]

Yeah, no, I sat down with Push, like two years ago.

[Jordan]

What was that for? Which event was that? Or was it for.

[Unnamed Guest]

For that was for.

[Jordan]

He did that show at Pier 17 or something like that.

[Unnamed Guest]

Well, I was at that show, but I sat down with Push, like, to promote like a. He was promoting like some. He's a big tennis fan. Big tennis guy.

[Jordan]

He has that Tiafo line. Yeah. The only back and forth we talk is Tiafo at the Open or something like that. I was like, oh, he likes Tiafo too.

[Unnamed Guest]

Like, his family's big into tennis and so I was able to rap with him about. It was for that. But then we talked about music. This was like what, two years ago? But yeah, just super attentive, you know, like super intentional with every word. And Malice, as you see in these interviews, like, malice is just like a Listener.

[Jordan]

Yeah. Like, yeah. He's so attentive.

[Unnamed Guest]

Yeah. Like. Like, listen. Speaks when he feels like he's adding something to the conversation. Push leads most of these conversations. But it's. They're very. I mean, they're brothers, so it's like they've been doing this their entire lives. Is not. It's not a surprise, but it's just really refreshing. I think that's what this all is. It's just like really in a time where it's like music is dropping all the time and it's like an album will drop and it'll be cool, but then be like the next week and it's like, okay, what's the next thing? This was like a pause and it was like you were able to eat your food slowly. It wasn't just like, eat the burger, go to the next dish in the buffet.

[Jordan]

And this is. I think this is going to be one of those albums where you see like coming working on a label. Like, there's the. The first week sales and then there's usually like a third. A 460 dip on the second week. I think this is gonna have maybe like a 20 or 30% dip. I think this will have a really strong week. Two numbers. Not again. Not the numbers matter. But I think what that is is a testament to more people through this rollout and just through like the chatter of clips being back. Are going to want to discover and listen to it more if they've already listened to it or share it with people and they'll take. I think this is going to just cumulatively, like, get a lot of streams and a lot of plays as it stays. As it just continues to live. I don't think you're right. This isn't like popcorn. Like I heard it week one.

[Unnamed Guest]

Eh.

[Jordan]

It was mid. I'm never gonna come back. Like, there's a lot of bars, metaphors, things that I just hungry to even discover because I. You can't get it all in one go with these guys. And I've been listening to it since the day came out. And what are we now? Almost a. A couple days out from a week. I have noticed I'm. It's still going every day. I'm not gonna stop. So do you have any favorites on here? I got the track. I'm trying to see what we got.

[Unnamed Guest]

But so definitely Birds don't sing.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Unnamed Guest]

What were we gonna say?

[Jordan]

The Mike Tyson blow to the face beat is.

[Unnamed Guest]

That's crazy. The FICO is crazy nuts. Honestly, so far ahead, I just love The. The sound of the outro.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Unnamed Guest]

I'm not. I'm not so far ahead by the grace of God.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Unnamed Guest]

I love just, like, how that the beat on that outro plays. It goes. I feel like per. It's very, like, gospel esque. Plays in perfectly with the intro.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Unnamed Guest]

I. With Tyler's verse on POV Heavy.

[Jordan]

I love the. What do you say? The push. Pushing Dirty white. Like, mosh pits. You know, he's been. I. I'm so happy he was able to get his. I mean, that's like a. That has to be a bucket list moment.

[Unnamed Guest]

Even.

[Jordan]

Even.

[Unnamed Guest]

Even how he closed his verse. Like, you know, I'm coming to learn that, like, I'm outgrowing my heroes, which is probably like a Kanye.

[Jordan]

Yeah, yeah.

[Unnamed Guest]

It's just like, you know, Tyler is also one of those guys who's super attentive.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Unnamed Guest]

And intentional. So it was dope to have those moments. Like, every. Like, even every feature on this. Very intentional. Like, except for Nas. Nas.

[Jordan]

I could have done without that one.

[Unnamed Guest]

It was only. It was only just because, like, I.

[Jordan]

Honestly could have done without that one.

[Unnamed Guest]

It's funny because I like the beat switch. Like, I like that beat he's rapping on, but it's like, I felt like it was just kind of out of place, and I felt like he wanted to just pop his of. Like, he hasn't, like, given us a verse in a minute.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Unnamed Guest]

And he like the verse. He's like, you know, like, I'm showing y'. All, like, you know, the old heads can win Grammys. I'm like, facts. And I was like, why we talk about that right now? Like, I feel like it's just his. This was like, a place where you could plug in where he wanted to get his off.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Unnamed Guest]

Which salute. I'll never. On a Nas verse. Especially after, like, all the. The Jim Jones. Nas discourse that was happening two weeks ago when was really trying to act like. And no disrespect to Jim Jones, but it's like, what the fuck are we talking about? Like, what the. Like, there was a bubble where I really had to, like. I think I made a video of it. Like, what? And mind you, I've interviewed Jim Jones. Salute to the Harlem legend. But what the fuck are we talking about? And Jim Jones is a master of the attention economy. Like, he knew what he was doing. I don't know what he was promoting in his Nas slander rollout.

[Jordan]

Just attention.

[Unnamed Guest]

Yeah. But he did it to a T. But it's like, yeah, I Guess maybe this was Nas's subtle reminder. I don't know. But I didn't need that verse. But still, I.

[Jordan]

Well, I think it's clear it didn't connect because you don't even see people talking about, like, it's not about. Yeah, like. And I know just obviously not. I don't even need to preface this, but, like, it just wasn't. Yeah. If we're going to remove a verse from this album, I think that would be. Type the one to do. I. I just wanted one more before we. We could push on to the next album. But, like, just even down to, like the nerd moment. I mean, the. Let God sort him out and then to. To. As the title of the whole thing. And then to go. The opening track being the Birds Don't Sing. I could talk about that song for so long.

[Unnamed Guest]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

But like, the. If you look at the breakdown of what that song is, it's God sorting out his. Their mother and father. And it's like it's. It flows into. No, literally, it's like it kicks off the. Because I feel like people are gonna talk about, like, oh, that coke bar, this reference. That it's like. Yes. But there is such a deep meaning onto what that term means specific to them in their lives. Like, you don't lose your parents four months apart from each other and not have that dominate your psyche in your creative process throughout this entire, you know, journey. So I just think it's really cool that they, you know, I think it's brilliant. People. I've seen some people say, I wish I wasn't the opening track. Because it doesn't really. They're like. It might set an inappropriate tone of the album, but I think it couldn't have said a more clear tone of what they're trying to get across with the title of the album itself.

[Unnamed Guest]

And plus, just as this being their, like, return.

[Jordan]

Yes.

[Unnamed Guest]

The clips. And having that be the first song where they're both speaking about their two separate perspectives and experiences. Finding their parents.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Unnamed Guest]

Passed away. It's like it shows you where they are in life and shows you how they're still. How those two stories live seamlessly in this song. So the same way that those two. These two people who are different, Push and Mouse, are very different. Humans can live still live seamlessly as.

[Jordan]

The clips pushes it evil.

[Unnamed Guest]

Listen, he is. He is like. I don't know if you've seen Superman, but it's like, he's. He. Lex Luthor is a good villain, but, like, Push is very much Like Joker. I remember that's what he told me. I interviewed. I think he pushed like actually a few times and when I interviewed him for before It's Almost Dry came out. He. He said he was playing the Joaquin Phoenix Phoenix first Joker in the background of the studio. It's a great movie he had for real just playing that in the background while they were recording.

[Jordan]

It makes sense.

[Unnamed Guest]

Yeah. Cuz he was like that. I mean even has like that w. Joaquin Phoenix Joker. He has some bars of that in in It's Almost Dry.

[Jordan]

So. Yeah.

[Unnamed Guest]

Yeah. Very different people but living seamlessly together in that project. Great project.

[Jordan]

Hell of a project. Let's. Let's carry on with the next big release this past weekend. Well, whatever. This comes out Swag. Bieber, Biebs Black. Biebs is black and back. I honestly, based on his. It's not. I wouldn't even call it a rollout but based on his social media presence, I thought this would be a little more hip hop influence like Allah Journals. But. Oh, well, first of all, what would you rank out of 10? The clips album.

[Unnamed Guest]

Ooh, I've been seeing the numbers flying around. I've been seeing the numbers. I would probably give it. I would probably give it like a nine.

[Jordan]

I was mine. Yeah.

[Unnamed Guest]

Yeah. Because like, you know, I'm not really skipping any songs. No, there's definitely like, you know, like the nausea and. But I still like like the beat. So I still listen to that song completely. Yeah, like it's really. Yeah, like it's really good.

[Jordan]

Yeah. Nine. All right, cool. We get right back into Bieber. So Bieber, he gave us. He blessed us with 21 tracks, 54 minutes of type music. It's. It's very much that the McGee clearly. Yeah, it's.

[Unnamed Guest]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

I mean I hope he's got a good pub split because Bieber basically just took an album from this guy. And that's not an insult. Like that guy's a freak producer and guitar player. And I would. I love when a great guitar player and producer links up with a great vocalist. So facts not mad at what they put out. I. I really, really like this album.

[Unnamed Guest]

Yeah, I think that it's like, you know, I saw like obviously when first of all, shout out Renell Madrano who shot the COVID or who shot the alternate covers of Bieber with his baby who all she shot the Kendrick Lamar Ms. Morale cover.

[Jordan]

I caught a viral tweet off that.

[Unnamed Guest]

Oh, well, look at you.

[Jordan]

What was the tweet? I'll show you. I. Yeah, no, it really Is still going. I tweeted this like.

[Unnamed Guest]

And the big steppers for white people.

[Jordan]

Now, literally, though, but it got 6.8 thousand retweets, 87,000 likes.

[Unnamed Guest]

So you.

[Jordan]

4 million impressions, same creative, some light.

[Unnamed Guest]

Same creative behind that image. But. Yeah, exactly.

[Jordan]

Yeah. That was before they said, well, it's the photographer.

[Unnamed Guest]

But you are. That's what I'm saying. You already caught that vibe.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Unnamed Guest]

And I think that, you know, one common thread I've been seeing in some of the discourse around it is it feels. Feels like a matured journals. It feels like a. Like.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Unnamed Guest]

You know, and I'm somebody who journals is a classic.

[Jordan]

Stamps true stamps, big facts.

[Unnamed Guest]

And this is kind of like his.

[Jordan]

He likes it for the R. Kelly verse. That's true. Words of complex media.

[Unnamed Guest]

Imagine. But no, it's like. It's like, I feel like he obviously has a child. He's faced public scrutiny for, like, nothing really. Which is for, like, perception, which is what he addresses. Which is one of my favorite aspects. That therapy session skit with Drew Ski, you like those? Well, I like that one.

[Jordan]

I think that when the Are you black thing.

[Unnamed Guest]

No, that. I didn't like that one. I didn't like that one. But I did genuinely enjoy the. The therapy session one.

[Jordan]

Okay, that's fair.

[Unnamed Guest]

Because it was like. Even though Drew Ski, I feel like, was talking over him just a little too much in the skits, I was like, let people talk. He was like, you know, he was like, you know, I feel like Bieber was like. I feel like people keep asking me if I'm okay.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Unnamed Guest]

When they're just asking me that based off of how they perceive me on social media. And it makes me feel like I'm the only one. Like I'm the only one that's either going through something or that I'm going through something when I'm. When I am. Okay.

[Jordan]

Yeah. And it's like, if enough people are asking or have that concern, then it's like, well, shit, am I okay? I the one missing out? Even though it's my life, am I missing something here?

[Unnamed Guest]

And I just love that he addressed that because that was obviously, you know, I was definitely one of those people who also was like, this album is either going to. Before when he announced it, Shock dropped it. I was like, this either going to be crack or sound like he's on crack. There's going to be no in between.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Unnamed Guest]

And it's crack. You know?

[Jordan]

You know what? What? Again, not even in the rollout. Just Bieber posting on Social media and just living his life. The one piece of content that came out about him that gave me concern was when he was working out with Offset.

[Unnamed Guest]

Oh, yeah.

[Jordan]

I was like, damn, no.

[Unnamed Guest]

You didn't like seeing him next to Offset.

[Jordan]

I just didn't like. I was like, well, because this was. That was even before. That was before the announcement of the album, right? That was a tight turnaround. But when the album was announced, I started looping in my mind, like, okay, what content has be put out lately? And I'll like, he's been on, like, his, like, Perception Wild. And then he did that workout with Offset. They've been seen together a few times. I was like, man, if this is like one of those, like, fever vocals on Amigos album type, I'm like, I don't want that. Like, I didn't. So the big blunder for me on this album is are the Drew Ski moments. The one in particular. You Might as well be black. Hit this black and mild. Like, yeah, cut that. And then the sexy Red, the mandated government mandated sexy red verse that's gonna be on the radio. That song is Fire. Get rid of her verse. Bieber go again.

[Unnamed Guest]

Oh, my God.

[Jordan]

They could cut her verse, loop the hook again. Listen, she just ruined. And I love Sexy Red. I don't want to. I love her as a. As an artist, as a personality. I think she's awesome. Not on that song.

[Unnamed Guest]

I didn't mind it. I didn't mind it.

[Jordan]

Not on that song.

[Unnamed Guest]

I feel like Bieber was leading into, like, I, I. You know, it's so funny.

[Jordan]

I do love that he's very loyal to her and gives her those looks, though real. And he's a great person for.

[Unnamed Guest]

But that's what's funny to me about this album also, is that the features are surprising. It's like gna, Sexy Dijon Fire.

[Jordan]

That Devotion record is into that. Dijon albums that's coming out soon is gonna be nuts.

[Unnamed Guest]

And of course, as my brother, who, as of the recording of this, of this, I interviewed him today, my brother Cash Cobain on the project. And we of course had to talk about, like, what the. Like, like, how did you. Like, like, literally, like, I see Cash, I was like, what, though?

[Jordan]

That's awesome. I love that.

[Unnamed Guest]

That's my guy. So I was like, you know, what the. How did that happen?

[Jordan]

The Bieber bump is crazy too. Like, that's a huge dog.

[Unnamed Guest]

And he said that, you know, and this comes gonna be out on comics by the time this comes out. So whatever, I'm gonna Tell the story. He told me in the end.

[Jordan]

Tomorrow, he told me the interview.

[Unnamed Guest]

Like, yo, I had. He had reposted. Bieber had posted Tripping on a Yacht or one of his songs in the background of one of his posts. Yeah, because. Because he loves posting rap.

[Jordan]

He's been posting rap music a lot on his carousels.

[Unnamed Guest]

So he had posted one of casual songs and Cash GM to him like, yo, like here. Like, yo, I with you, bro. Like, we should like, work. And he was. Bieber hit him back like facts, like, let's exchange contacts, whatever, whatever. Which is just so fucking crazy.

[Jordan]

I love that.

[Unnamed Guest]

I love that they pull up to the crib when he's in New York. When Bieber comes to New York, beginning of the year, they pull up, he pulls up to the crib. They like, work on a few songs and then nothing for months. Like, they're still cool, whatever. He just. They don't communicate as often. And then like, two days before the project drops.

[Jordan]

Yeah, Cash.

[Unnamed Guest]

Bieber hits Cash like, yo, can you just change this vocal a little bit? And he sends it back. And then two days later, the album's out and Cash is like, I didn't know.

[Jordan]

No idea what's going on.

[Unnamed Guest]

No idea he was going to be on the album.

[Jordan]

It's like Christmas morning.

[Unnamed Guest]

Yeah. Like, it's just. But like, that's just so dope at. For someone of Bieber's caliber of. Of his stature to show love like that. It's. It's random, but also just like dope to see that he's a. Tapped in with the sounds.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Unnamed Guest]

And B is just willing to, like, you know, Justin Bieber, just a Bieber placement is nothing to slouch at.

[Jordan]

Yeah, I mean, I mean, I can't. Truthfully, I. In pop, male pop me. What's a bigger cosign. I mean, Bieber kind of have this conversation. Like, this dude's been famous since he was a child, like, since the first YouTube days ever. And like, I. What is. Nor there is no normal. The kid is impossible for him to live a normal life. So for him to have moments like that, like, sincerely connect with somebody, either have them come over, go to their place, record a verse and like, bless them like that. You know what you're doing when you let somebody, you know, get access to your fan base, that's so cool that he was able to do that. Lil B as well. Yeah, like, I. I think it's. I don't know, man. I. I really, really like this album and it's cool to Switch between two very different sounds to go from clips to swag and back and forth. These are such different tones.

[Unnamed Guest]

But you know what I think the, the thread is. It's like they're both very grounded.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Unnamed Guest]

The Clips album is very grounded in their reality and this Bieber album is just super grounded in his. It's like the last song is like a devotional. Like you would hear the end of a church service. Like even the Yukon, which I need the, the legit version of. Like I need the, the normally pitched voice version of Yukon. I've heard, I've heard like it on SoundCloud. Like someone pitches the voice properly. It's crack.

[Jordan]

Yeah. I don't, I don't know why he did that with the.

[Unnamed Guest]

I guess this is where he's at right now.

[Jordan]

I don't. I mean he could do whatever the want. I will. The, the opening track, All I can take first listen, I was like, is this a Michael Jackson impression? And not even in an insulting way because if anybody's going to do a mic impression, this guy's got the voice to do it. But he, he's even doing like the like.

[Unnamed Guest]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Jordan]

Like I was waiting for that. Like I was waiting for something like. But like he. I mean, you could tell. I don't know. Like I. It was. You're right. Like it's mature. I wish, I will say lyrically, I wish he talked about being a father a little bit fair. Like there's not much of that. He's very much. I mean it's funny we talk about Chance getting killed for the. I love my wife.

[Unnamed Guest]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

That's all Bieber talks about is his wife.

[Unnamed Guest]

I mean but because it's coming back around, people are, are growing the up.

[Jordan]

Being faithful is cool.

[Unnamed Guest]

Yeah. Like, it's like it's like people are growing the up. But yeah, I, I did. Especially seeing those like images of him and the baby that were like not. Didn't end up being the COVID but probably are alternate covers and not hearing a lot about fatherhood was interesting. But. But I'm also like not fully in my mind. I'm not putting it past him to drop something else before the year is over.

[Jordan]

Tb. I think he's kind of on that type of time too. Cuz like I think the pressure is off him. He put out a great album and he's been, I mean, how many years since what was it Changes was the.

[Unnamed Guest]

Other one or Purpose? I don't know. I think it was.

[Jordan]

He dropped. Yeah. That's the One where. What's it called on Peaches? Oh, yeah, that was like 20. 22.

[Unnamed Guest]

2 or 21.

[Jordan]

So, like, he's got the pressure of, like, taking time away. Like, you know, what's Beaver? Kind of. So. And now I think you're right. Like, he can just. Here's more like, I can just freely drop. Drop.

[Unnamed Guest]

Don't have to do the rollout.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Unnamed Guest]

And even. Even that part of it of going from going from talking to clips to this, it's like Bieber did the complete inverse of clips. Didn't say shit.

[Jordan]

No press.

[Unnamed Guest]

Just drop that shit.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Unnamed Guest]

And granted, because he's fucking just.

[Jordan]

That's a luxury of being.

[Unnamed Guest]

Yeah, he's just a fucking Bieber. So he could do those types of things. But it still worked because he spoke through the music. And, you know, I think even, like, looking at. Just doing. Even a quick scroll of his Instagram shows that he does not give a. Because he's posting, bro.

[Jordan]

He's been in Mallorca. Yeah, he's been through his album rollout. He's been in Mallorca because Haley is doing a road rollout for some new, like, lip prod. Don't ask me why.

[Unnamed Guest]

I was about to say, this is crazy.

[Jordan]

I know I talk. I talk to women, but I know a girl that was out in Mallorca when they were out there. So she was like, telling me about, like, yo, that we could see, like, they were across the water from us and just on the yacht, you know, going from the yacht to the shore, whatever. And she was doing this whole, like, product rollout. And I was like, this man dropped an album, which clearly his biggest fan base is here stateside, and he's literally on a boat in Mallorca just, like, chilling with his girl.

[Unnamed Guest]

Yeah. But that shows, like, he really is.

[Jordan]

Grounded in still there type. Like, he's.

[Unnamed Guest]

He's not really affected by. Even though he reposts so much on his story of, like, people, like, showing love.

[Jordan]

But that's cute, though.

[Unnamed Guest]

Like, he's still tapped into an extent, but it's not like he's not consumed by it, which I think is dope.

[Jordan]

I would like to see if Bieber talk about someone that we said didn't do any press at all. If there's one person I'd love to see do a real interview, I want to hear, like, I would like to hear from him, like, beyond the music.

[Unnamed Guest]

Let me tell you, as obviously someone in the.

[Jordan]

Did you guys reach out?

[Unnamed Guest]

Listen of. Look, the Bieber interview is like, like, it's like Reagan era crack. It's like everyone is trying to get in.

[Jordan]

Catching Mewtwo.

[Unnamed Guest]

Yeah. It's like, I don't know. I don't know when he's going to do it, if he's going to do it, who he's going to do it with. But whoever gets that Bieber interview. That first Bieber interview.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Unnamed Guest]

Are you shitting me?

[Jordan]

I'm putting my hat out there. Hi, Bieber. I Justin pull up to something wrong with the. Your.

[Unnamed Guest]

Your.

[Jordan]

Your album Purpose actually came out on my birthday in 2015. November 13th. Why do I know that? Because I love the album clip this. Yeah. But I would love for you to come on my show. This is going to be a Share post with Complex.

[Unnamed Guest]

It would be.

[Jordan]

But what would be crazy though is like for real though. And I'm not even. I'm past like making the point of that. Well, no, I'm not. I know. Like, I. People joke. Like, it wouldn't be a bullshit. Like, you know, what was your inspiration? Like, I know it's. You sound so lame to say. Like, I know that dude. Like, you know what I mean? Like, I know his music. I know him. Like, I can't relate to his life at all. But like, I feel like I get. I understand him to an extent which would make for great content. I believe.

[Unnamed Guest]

Okay. Her the real believer in this muffler.

[Jordan]

I am. I really do. I genuinely. And now people look at me like, you know, I. People thought it was a joke for you. I really fuck with this dude.

[Unnamed Guest]

That's what's up.

[Jordan]

I think he's so fucking talented.

[Unnamed Guest]

He is.

[Jordan]

And to. I'm telling you, bro, to land on your feet when. I mean, a chapter in his life that people have alluded to that we haven't really talked about. Diddy basically adopted him.

[Unnamed Guest]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

He lived with Diddy.

[Unnamed Guest]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

He had a room in that man's home. Imagine the shit that that kid was around when he was a child.

[Unnamed Guest]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

And for him to be A, alive, but B, just like normal. Like they. They put that kid through the wringer and we saw the. The rollout with purpose. Like, he's like, I found God. I understand the marketing behind it, but it also seems to be who he is now. Like, he's very religious. Like, that was his come to Jesus, you know, so to speak. Moment drops a classic. And now like, he's a father. Like, it's just like, bro, he should not be where he is. I truthfully mean that.

[Unnamed Guest]

No, he made it out for sure.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Unnamed Guest]

Like the pipeline. He was going down bad would have ended real bad.

[Jordan]

Bad. I mean, I was gonna say, look who else is in his position? But nobody's in his position. Like, he's always been playing this game alone.

[Unnamed Guest]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

Who can he really lean on?

[Unnamed Guest]

Yeah, like, when you said, like, who's a better, bigger co sign? Like a male pop star co sign. There isn't one. No, like, pop. Like, we're not talking R B, we're not talking Usher. Like, there is no, like, his peers.

[Jordan]

He doesn't have a peer.

[Unnamed Guest]

Yeah, dog. It's like, it's kind of crazy. And like, I'm not as tapped in on other male pop stars, so maybe I'm missing, bro.

[Jordan]

There's. We would know. I mean, we would know if it was a Bieber Siiz artist.

[Unnamed Guest]

The kid. The kid Laroi is like a pop.

[Jordan]

Star, so relax, bro. The kid Laroi's been hot for, what, four years?

[Unnamed Guest]

I'm just like, the kid Roy is a pop. But, yeah, there's no one of Bieber's caliber, bro.

[Jordan]

Bieber was 12 years old sitting on Ellen's couch type.

[Unnamed Guest]

Type.

[Jordan]

That's the thing with. With the same haircut as Ellen.

[Unnamed Guest]

He has a. He has a cheat code of. And that haircut coming back, not for nothing, I'm seeing people with that haircut, the haircut.

[Jordan]

Like, I can't remember who the lesi swoop.

[Unnamed Guest]

Not. Not full swoop, but, like, the white boy. It's like their version of a fake.

[Jordan]

Oh, yeah, yeah.

[Unnamed Guest]

It's like the white boy mop top. Like, fake Bieber was a fake fade. Which also, by the way, like, not to sidebar, but, like, I mean this with my whole chest. Like, white people shouldn't get fades.

[Jordan]

I mean, Travis Kelsey popularized, like, can have something. No, like how, like, we've established, like.

[Unnamed Guest]

Like why people are trying to take phase. Like how they took spices. Like, y' all need to leave that. Leave that frontier.

[Jordan]

As long as you know, it's really not helping the case, bro. The more these white boys get drafted in the league, Their number one pick, we're seeing ar Allison Reeves in la. We got Kulik on the. On the knicks just dropped 23 in, like, the first quarter in the G League. Like, the what? As long as these white boys are hooping and those guys are getting the fades. Tyler Hero, bad example for white boys of fade. This is the worst gentrification they're getting. They got the battery in their back because they're seeing white boys kill a bunch of dudes on the court. Now they feel like they can hang.

[Unnamed Guest]

Like, come on, bro. Like, I don't just. I was on the Jersey Shore last weekend and I'm like, at a beach bar and I see this, like, white with a fade. I'm like, dog can have anything. Why the. We almost got the same haircut.

[Jordan]

Grow your out, Chad.

[Unnamed Guest]

Oh, like, yo, you don't, like, get a taper. Like, you don't need a fade. Anyway, anyway, that's all to say that Bieber revolutionized that. That my pickup.

[Jordan]

Bieber had the wild on the purpose era when he had the baldi. Like, the sides with the long, man, look.

[Unnamed Guest]

Look at Bieber's current haircut. You see how he embraces himself? He got a buzz cut. He's not trying to get a fade. Be like Bieber. Just chop your. Your hair off, bro. Be like Bieber, bro.

[Jordan]

Be like Bieber me. But anyway, let's. If you were to rank this album out of ten, what do you got? Swag out of ten.

[Unnamed Guest]

Swag out of ten. I'm giving this one, like, a cool eight.

[Jordan]

Damn. I don't want to sound like I'm just.

[Unnamed Guest]

I said it.

[Jordan]

Not on camera or on record, but eight was my number. I had this conversation with a couple friends earlier. 8. It's an 8. And the faults for me, which I previously mentioned at the sexy red verse and the Drew Ski skits, I could have done without.

[Unnamed Guest]

Yeah, I. I would have wanted the Yukon.

[Jordan]

Yeah. And that and that be pitched properly.

[Unnamed Guest]

And I think that some songs could be longer. Honestly, like, I wish that devotional outro was like three minutes. Like, I wish certain moments were held longer. And yeah, those are my biggest critiques. But I think it's a really, really good album and I love how these great albums are coming at the. Are coming. Finally, it's paused at the second half of the year.

[Jordan]

Yeah, yeah. And not that he owes us anything, but I love our little theory. If I think he might drop another thing. More. More music is welcome from Bieber at any time. Facts if it's more of that sound, because I'm sure the. The ones that missed the album. Probably another.

[Unnamed Guest]

Exactly.

[Jordan]

Heater.

[Unnamed Guest]

Like, drop. Like, I don't even know if, like, that's what I'm saying. I don't think he's gonna do a deluxe thing.

[Jordan]

He's never done that.

[Unnamed Guest]

Drop another one on your head.

[Jordan]

Yeah, yeah.

[Unnamed Guest]

I mean, like, what Bron said. You know what, here's two more.

[Jordan]

Since you've been riding with us throughout this whole journey.

[Unnamed Guest]

You know what? Like, here's Two more for y'.

[Jordan]

All. Inventing the deluxe and Taco Tuesday. Man, that guy is a ghost. Genius.

[Unnamed Guest]

Listen, bro.

[Jordan]

Innovative goat. He is the goat. Should we. Speaking of ghost, should we pivot to.

[Unnamed Guest]

Oh, you did not just do that.

[Jordan]

Yeah, he is a goat. He's a goat.

[Unnamed Guest]

Yes. Yes. We're never gonna. We're never gonna throw dirt on Drake's name.

[Jordan]

No, Never.

[Unnamed Guest]

Speaking of the goat.

[Jordan]

He is. Look, I. I have been so critical, but my criticism comes from a place of. I know who this dude is like, and I hold him to a higher standard than most artists, so I'm critical because I love him. He's like a parent, even though he's older than me. What? But I'm saying the way in which a parent is critical of their child is because they know what they're capable of and they love their child. So the criticism comes from a place of love and understanding that you're not. This moment.

[Unnamed Guest]

This is the most wicked sunning. I've just.

[Jordan]

I love Drake. I just. And this is. And I'm here to pick him up over this wireless shit.

[Unnamed Guest]

No, facts, facts.

[Jordan]

This was a moment where you're like, hell, yeah.

[Unnamed Guest]

Okay.

[Jordan]

Three show, three days, three different sounds. My man just said, night we. Night one. What was it he did?

[Unnamed Guest]

R B. R B. Lauryn Hill came.

[Jordan]

Out, and then he did rap, and then he did, like, the Caribbean National. Korean. Who else can do that?

[Unnamed Guest]

Look, that. That's one thing I will say, right?

[Jordan]

No one can do that.

[Unnamed Guest]

I. You know, one of the biggest things that we lost in this rap war was common sense, because it's like, I wish that everything was in, oh, could Kendrick do this? You know what I mean? Like, I wish it wasn't. I wish the common denominator wasn't always bringing it back to that. Because I think a lot of the appreciation for what the wireless weekend was got lost because. Was like, doc couldn't do this while that's also on a world tour.

[Jordan]

Yeah. It's like, who care? We don't need to bring them up right now.

[Unnamed Guest]

It's not exactly. It doesn't always have to be, oh, you know, this. That. This verse that. I think that. Yeah, that week, it was crazy. I wasn't there. I watched it.

[Jordan]

It would have been fun. I would have loved to go. He looked very comfortable out there. I think he's. I think it led to the comment that he made. I think he got a little too comfortable out there saying, London artists are better than. I think that's. We've. I've performed, he got charged up. We, we've been on mics. If you, you get lost in the moment sometimes you say some that you don't really mean. That's stop.

[Unnamed Guest]

But look, not for nothing though. Not for nothing though. I do think that, you know I, I, I too enjoy Drake heavily. I listen to all his music. I am a fan. I do supports still. I think it's also telling though that he kind of still has to get over this hump of like you know there was the moment he was like everybody was doing the Kendrick Chan and he was like well let's take a shot to that. Like all right.

[Jordan]

My, he's clearly hurt like my like.

[Unnamed Guest]

Like let's obviously and it's like he has yet to do his formal US return. He's doing, he's going on a, a world or Europe tour, Euro tour for the party album after this. So he's clearly leaning into his international fan base which he does have a large market in.

[Jordan]

Clearly for sure.

[Unnamed Guest]

Not to, not to damper anything. I went to wireless last year. It was my first and only time at wireless. I will say just as a devil's advocate that just, you know, to paint the picture the wireless festival is like if I were to compare it to a US sized music festival, it's like maybe half or maybe like relatively the same size as like Gov Ball.

[Jordan]

Oh, it's small.

[Unnamed Guest]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

It's like I always thought it was much bigger.

[Unnamed Guest]

You know it's like I would say like the main stage like when you saw him walking the catwalk and being able to dap up people in the photo pit. It's because the park where it's at isn't that big.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Unnamed Guest]

So the main stage, like I think there's a clip of like Burna Boy commenting on like like he was watching Vibes Cartel before for him and he's like why is it so small? Because that's just how wild.

[Jordan]

That's just how it is.

[Unnamed Guest]

It's not the fault of him or anyone. But it's like that also is, you know, you could for, for the detractors or whatever. You could play that. You could put that into whatever perspective you want to. But I do think that it was impressive who he brought out, how he set up. I saw somebody compared to like Prince did this one time where he had three different nights where he did like he was highlighting three different nights of some festival and he had a different set for each night.

[Jordan]

Yeah, it was what was over 60 some odd records in total played. I Mean like there's so few people. It's just different levels. That's just a conversation even need to be had. I mean he's just, he literally is on a different level. But I, I, it's, it sucks that the moments like the Kendrick chant and the, the, the stupid line about him saying the UK rappers are better than the like, it sucks at moments like that undercut what that should have been for Drake in this career because that's a monumental moment. He's the first artist to have done that at that festival and it just like you, you can't outrun that moment.

[Unnamed Guest]

Yeah. And not for nothing, we were just talking about like massive artists giving out really dope co signs. It's like, yo, for, for Drake to bring out Bobby Valentino.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Unnamed Guest]

To bring out Mario.

[Jordan]

Sexy Red came out.

[Unnamed Guest]

Sexy Red came out. Even just like, even just thinking of like I listen to a lot of UK rap. Fake Mink, which is like this underground UK rapper.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Unnamed Guest]

Get. Drake brings out Fake Mink, brings out like some of the underground UK rap guys for his UK night. Obviously. Dave central C performance sprinter and even like what Drake has done for center's career in terms of that cosign and like crazy. You know, it. That is, is really, really dope. You know the love he's showing, whether he's trying to compensate for the fact that some people in the States don't with him right now is whatever. I think Lauryn Hill going out night one is like, yeah.

[Jordan]

Yes.

[Unnamed Guest]

I mean like doing what was it nice for what? Like doing the same. Like Lauren performing with him for nice for what? I think that was the first time that they did that. That's like, that's some. That you. Again, we normalize because Drake has been doing this for so long. But that's not normal.

[Jordan]

No, no. Yeah, not the.

[Unnamed Guest]

Listen, come on, bro. Can we like, like I was big up.

[Jordan]

Damn. Has that not been working? Yo, yo, bro. Time out, guys. Time out. Time out.

[Unnamed Guest]

He said.

[Jordan]

We'Re back. No files left behind. We're good. We're rocking back to, back to the Drake talk.

[Unnamed Guest]

Sorry, Jordan, not. Yeah, like, like we were talking about though. It's like we normalize the that he does because he's been doing it for so long at such a high clip.

[Jordan]

Yeah. That it's not normal.

[Unnamed Guest]

It's like LeBron. You know what great segue earlier because it is like LeBron.

[Jordan]

It is literally normalizes wild shit that.

[Unnamed Guest]

We will probably never see again.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Unnamed Guest]

Because we've seen it for so long.

[Jordan]

Greatness. Isn't like, greatness certainly isn't given. It is. It's always earned, and it's. In fields like the arts and sports. Longevity is something we're just not used to seeing because it's just. There's always time for the new. And within sports, it's. Your body wears down and you have to, you know, usher in the next generation. And with music, it's like, more often than not, we just get burned out from your success or just your sound or whatever the case may be. So Drake. Yeah. Like. Like LeBron operating in rare air, which is a perfect segue into Drake getting the tattoo covered with you cooking right now. Complex. Hire me.

[Unnamed Guest]

You're cooking.

[Jordan]

When he's sick, I'll do a sick day. Like, I mean, what. What do we think? Because, like, I don't want to lead with corny, because obviously we can. But look, like, what do you think? What do I. I'll play off how you want to take this.

[Unnamed Guest]

You know, I'll be honest. Right. As someone who's listened to a lot of his music, I know that Drake values his friendships.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Unnamed Guest]

And interpersonal relationships more than probably any romantic relationship he has.

[Jordan]

I think that's evident. What do they call that relationship? I forget. What is it like? It's like another. It's not parasocial. We know what that is. But there's another term where it's particular to men. I think it's like hetero, something where men value their friends and their male relationships far more than any relationship with a woman. I forget what the term is, but it's. It's like something. But. Yeah.

[Unnamed Guest]

Yeah. He just clearly loves his brothers down type.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Unnamed Guest]

So LeBron was 100 in that category.

[Jordan]

A thousand. Yeah.

[Unnamed Guest]

So it's like, I feel for him in the sense that he obviously feel felt betrayed by someone he was super close with, who he had tattooed on his body. And then it's like he doesn't want to seem as tight as he is. Like, I mean, as we recall, like, the fighting Irish freestyle that leaked or whatever, where he. Which was all about LeBron. He never says LeBron's name.

[Jordan]

Clearly. About LeBron.

[Unnamed Guest]

Yeah. Like, he doesn't even. In the what did I miss? Joint. Like, he doesn't say anyone's name. He doesn't say LeBron's name, doesn't say DeMar DeRozan's name, but he's clearly fucking sick.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Unnamed Guest]

So it's like, how do you, as such a public figure, navigate a betrayal like that while you're also Trying to maintain your ego, I guess you get your tattoo covered with Shay Gilgamesh Alexander. A choice.

[Jordan]

Was it Shay or was it what's his name? What was the guy that had number two before Shay?

[Unnamed Guest]

Who?

[Jordan]

I mean, Stefalosia, nigga.

[Unnamed Guest]

It was Shay.

[Jordan]

I don't know. It could have been Stefalosa.

[Unnamed Guest]

I don't know. He was in a basketball pocket lotion. But like, I think that was a choice. But clearly, like, I mean, look, Drake has Harry Potter tattooed on his body. He has the Beatles. He has damn.

[Jordan]

What if, what if Daniel Radcliffe just goes just retweets Kendrick. Drake has to get like, like a Hufflepuff or some on his asshole.

[Unnamed Guest]

But it's like, but it's insane. I'm just gonna glide past that. Like what? But like, look, he clearly doesn't give a about having other humans tattooed on him. Like, we're past that point.

[Jordan]

Yeah, true. Yeah.

[Unnamed Guest]

So that's where I stand. Where do you stand with it?

[Jordan]

I, I, I agree with you. Where he values the out of these relationships. So when he feels slighted or when those relationships are broken, he's like, I think he's really like shattered internally. And what does an artist do when they're hurt? They make music about it. But then you're obviously at the chastised by flame by everybody. It's like, this is gay.

[Unnamed Guest]

You're a.

[Jordan]

But I Tattoo cover ups are common. They're just usually not, you know, to this extent or get this much news press. I just, I don't know. I, I want to make fun of it and I want to say it's corny, but it's, that's what makes Drake Drake like this.

[Unnamed Guest]

I mean, it's still corny. It's undoubtedly.

[Jordan]

I think I will say getting the LeBron tattoo, I didn't find corny. I think it's corny as to cover it up with just the next hot like athlete that's Canadian type. That's. It's not only corny, it's weird.

[Unnamed Guest]

It's insane.

[Jordan]

That is actually. It's weird. That's really what it is, bro. It's weird. Do the COVID up. Your man pissed you off. Honor that. I'm not telling you what to cover it up with. You know, it kind of am, but like just to do it just with another basketball player and another man, like, that's, it's weird.

[Unnamed Guest]

And it's funny to me because through all of this, LeBron does not give a. That's why he went to the pop out because he doesn't give a.

[Jordan]

What was his. His. As far as we know. As far as, like, the public attempt. His feeble. Like, he posted Drake's Air Force One with the infinity symbol.

[Unnamed Guest]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

That was his, like, peace offering. And then Drake was like, no. Which I don't blame Drake for being, like, off, but, like, yeah, this. LeBron's not sweating this. Yeah, I said this one, like, episode two or one, maybe. Savannah's always hated Drake.

[Unnamed Guest]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

She could not be more thrilled that this dude is out of LeBron's life. And I'm sure by this point now, LeBron has seen how much happier his wife is in his home. Is that he's, like, not hanging out with Drake. Yeah. He's like, this guy also, like, is not the greatest guy. So, like, it. My family's happier. I'm happier. I'm in la. Kendrick's in la. Like, we're good.

[Unnamed Guest]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

I'm not beat up over this.

[Unnamed Guest]

Brian is just a great. A grown man with a family.

[Jordan]

Yeah. He's.

[Unnamed Guest]

He's not tripping. That's why he went in the first place. I'm sure when he went, he didn't think it would be as big of a deal as it is, which may be slightly naive on bronze part or maybe very naive on bronze part. If he. If he thought. Obviously we're assuming here, but if he thought that, it wouldn't be a big deal because you're LeBron James now. First of all, you can't even go. You can't be Loki nowhere, bro. You six, seven. Like, you can't. You can't be sneaky. Even if you didn't dance at the pop out, it's like. Like, you just go with a bucket hat and be like, oh, oh, is that LeBron?

[Jordan]

LeBron, yeah.

[Unnamed Guest]

Like, you. Like, is that LeBron with a.

[Jordan]

Not low.

[Unnamed Guest]

Like, when Drake went to the. You hear the story. When Drake went to, like, a court appearance, like, he went to, like, support a friend who was, like, in court, and he had a whole makeup thing done on him.

[Jordan]

He went full beat.

[Unnamed Guest]

Yeah, he went full beat. Like, he had a makeup artist change his appearance, and, like, he gets there and somebody's like, is that Drake in an old lady in an old man costume?

[Jordan]

Like, it's like a jackass character.

[Unnamed Guest]

You're not fooling anyone. But, yeah, it's like Drake. I just feel like you could have just also just covered it up with nothing. Like, replacing Brian with Shay is in.

[Jordan]

That's crazy. Drawing attention to it, I think, is what we're saying is the fault. Like, yeah, if you didn't. If you didn't do anything about it, then we wouldn't be talking about it. That's kind of where I'm at.

[Unnamed Guest]

Like, yeah, for sure.

[Jordan]

Everyone knew you had that too. Everyone understood. It's like, like, you know, people get. Make mistake, whatever. Like, I don't say. Yeah, yeah.

[Unnamed Guest]

I guess he's probably also just disillusioned by all this because it's like at this point, after all the level of public scrutiny he's gotten over the last year and a half, it's probably. He's probably. You know, as the Iceman album title might allude to, he's probably numb to at least some of this of like, oh, yeah, you know, whatever I do, people are gonna on me and like, my core bit fans give a. And I'm gonna try to act like I don't give a, but I' ma just do whatever the.

[Jordan]

That all that not always used to be the case. We were talking about this a couple weeks ago. Drake, universally loved. At one point, he's. He's for the first time getting in the booth with his back against the wall. Where we said previously, every summer, every time he put out music, he's not fighting, he's not punching up or having to box himself out of a hole. He's actually just creating the next hot sound.

[Unnamed Guest]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

So he has to like, obviously the music's great. One of the best parts. But it's not just. You don't have to now only prove yourself via the music. You have to like, prove yourself as a person. Which is new for him because he's never had to do that type.

[Unnamed Guest]

His, you know, I don't think his base is that rattled, but his just like super sweeping influence and like you were just saying, universal love has faltered heavily.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Unnamed Guest]

And it's like now, you know, obviously and as like the rap fans, like, I would love to get a super, super heavy just, you know, a whole bunch of do not disturbs, a whole bunch of just introspective versus like that. So Churchill Downs, you know, cold hearts and heated floors. No parental guidance. I just see the voice. Like, I would love some like that and I think we're gonna get a lot of that. Obviously you're gonna have to feed us with the bops. But like, does he though?

[Jordan]

I don't need a.

[Unnamed Guest]

Well, no, that's how he feels. I'm sure he feels like he has to feed the streets with a bop.

[Jordan]

It's like he got one look I've.

[Unnamed Guest]

In all the articles or, you know, reviews I've written about Drake, one thing that I often see is that he is in every aspect of life a people pleaser. Like, he has to.

[Jordan]

Oh, yeah.

[Unnamed Guest]

Every type of fan he has because he has so many different types of fans.

[Jordan]

Well, he said that a few times, like, I can't make the rap album because.

[Unnamed Guest]

Because I have to feed the RV fans. And now the dance, like the house fans. And like, you know, I. I felt like, honestly, Nevermind was the first album he made for himself because he was in Ibiza, he was traveling Europe. He was listening to this. He was chilling with Gordo. Shout out to my brother Gordo and this brother Gordo. That's my guy.

[Jordan]

Look at this, look at this. Hollywood.

[Unnamed Guest]

The ovo niggas may not fuck with me.

[Jordan]

Hollywood. But yeah, I mean, they don't fall when they fog with you. Listen, just reporting, doing your job. You're an enemy. Really?

[Unnamed Guest]

Yes.

[Jordan]

Has anyone pressed you? Is this like a thing or are you just projecting?

[Unnamed Guest]

No, it's like a thing.

[Jordan]

Oh, really?

[Unnamed Guest]

But look, I haven't refreshed.

[Jordan]

You're not good in Toronto.

[Unnamed Guest]

I mean, shots. Elliot. Maybe I'm not good.

[Jordan]

You're not going to. Elliot, don't go to Toronto.

[Unnamed Guest]

I'm sure. Look like. I'm sure, though. Don't. Not with me. But anyway, the point is he. He made that house album for himself. So for sure, I hope that, you know, this is the most stakes there's been around. There's more stakes around this than around Scorpion. Post push beef by far.

[Jordan]

Oh, yeah.

[Unnamed Guest]

You know, even though he lost that beef also, it's like, I like Scorpion. Even though I feel like a lot of people don't like Scorpion. I like Scorpion.

[Jordan]

I feel like grew on me. I didn't like it when it first came out.

[Unnamed Guest]

Fair. Like, I loved Emotionless. I. I honestly like Survival. Know the intro. He kind of addresses like, whatever. I think this album, which hopefully comes out this summer, I feel like it is going to come out like, at least this quarter. It's going to. It's going to be a lot riding on it, man.

[Jordan]

Oh, for sure. I'm. I'm. I'm hoping it's just a solo. Don't give me another. Yeah, just what you think of the stunt with the van and we were together when that was all happening.

[Unnamed Guest]

Yeah, we were.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Unnamed Guest]

You know, this is another, like, issue I take with Drake right now. It's like I. Maybe I'm in the minority. I hate the whole him really trying to lean into the streaming.

[Jordan]

I do too.

[Unnamed Guest]

Like, I just think it's like, it's funny because. And not always. Not to always bring it back to comparing, but it's like, it's almost the exact opposite of how clips rolled out. When it's like you're obviously trying to tap into the youth. You're like dropping like, the. What? What did I miss? Music videos was the stream, which might be the first time a music video was a stream that was released as a music video, which was innovative. And I like how, like, you know, he did the van stunt because he wanted to show that the people still with him, he went. He literally touched the streets.

[Jordan]

Went home.

[Unnamed Guest]

Yeah. In Toronto, of course. But like, you know, people storm in the van, whatever, which obviously people are gonna do. Even you even did that in New York. If you saw Drake, if you were Drake is driving down les in an ice truck.

[Jordan]

I mean, it would just be him getting stuck in traffic type.

[Unnamed Guest]

But of course they're gonna get sworn because he's still. Still Drake. But it's like I wish that he wasn't. You know, the. What. The one. The thing about wireless, like, you know, Aiden Ross and like all these.

[Jordan]

Who he's aligning himself with is really says a lot about him, bro. His character, it's lame. He's so whack. He's going, he's hit, he's touching. Like the grifty, like new wealth pretentious. Like the. The Trump dick suckers. Like, to be truthfully honest, like those. All those guys, the Nelk boys. Like, these are the people you're gifting $50,000 Rolexes to. Like, I just. To your point with the, with the clips compared, just let the music be your weapon or just like stick to more traditional. You don't want your affiliations to be. Unless you are. Unless you're those guys. Maybe I'm just. Maybe I'm just pushing the person that I want Drake to be on him. And maybe he just is the, you know, the right wing, like grifty, you know, problematic, misinformed, miseducated idiots that if that's your crew, so be it. But, like, that's not a cast or that's not, you know, the group that you want to be associated with if you want to be taken seriously.

[Unnamed Guest]

That's a fact, bro. And it's like, I mean, this is kind of even leading up to the beef. I know I. I always had this take of. I felt like Drake fatigue was building.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Unnamed Guest]

Because it became increasingly more imper apparent that like these very negative takes and songs about women and just like him sharing more of his thoughts. Because Drake's always been apolitical as. So it's like he's never really like, lead one way or another. I felt in most instances. But like, for all the Dogs, like, you got a fucking song where you're dissing Rihanna. Yeah, this stage of the fucking game, dog. Yeah, like, what the fuck are we doing? And like, even. Even in the deluxe of for all the Dogs, I forget what the name of the track is. It's like, you know, he's like, people keep asking, why can't Drake make songs like the same old guy? Because I don't know how anymore, which I think is true. I don't know. I don't think Drake can go back to being the old Drake because his life is so drastically different from when he was coming up. He said so many times how he's so rich now that his music's getting unrelatable. Because, like, he's on going to Benihana and is that just his lifestyle.

[Jordan]

Can't do anything.

[Unnamed Guest]

Yeah, you can't go to Benihana.

[Jordan]

You can't stay at a hotel.

[Unnamed Guest]

You can't get a party bus. There's mad hotels.

[Jordan]

Such a nice event. Yeah, it's like, love a party bus.

[Unnamed Guest]

But it's like, that's just, I guess the perils of becoming as successful as. As he's become. But as what you were saying is, like, who he's aligning with, it's.

[Jordan]

It's a nasty crew.

[Unnamed Guest]

Nasty.

[Jordan]

It's a nasty crew.

[Unnamed Guest]

Like, yeah. So, you know, that I hope doesn't persist, which it definitely will. The only Drake interviews, quote unquote, we have seen have been the stake sponsored Aiden Ross streams.

[Jordan]

They're awful bad, bro. I mean, I truthfully, I don't sit and watch those in full. I catch clips, but even the clips.

[Unnamed Guest]

Are like, nasty, bro.

[Jordan]

It's just him like playing like virtual baccarat or like, you know, roulette and like, yeah, gambling, just addicted as different topic. You should really figure that out. Like, I mean, Jesus Christ, that's like steak. That's like enabling. It's like, oh, you're addicted to cocaine? Well, here we're sp. Cold is going to sponsor you. Here's all the fresh cocaine that you could ever ask for. It's like, bro, like, don't. Just because there's money on the line, which you certainly do not need. Don't take the bag to fuel your addiction. That's kind of my. And that's kind of where I stand on that.

[Unnamed Guest]

And you know what's so funny? Because, like, I often see when these conversations come up and. And people are like, oh, well, like, why do people always criticize Drake's personal choices when it's like, we're not telling Future to grow up or we're not telling so and so to change their habits. I hear that. But it's like, when your music is so intrinsically attached to your lifestyle and you make it such a point to live your. Like, to live out loud, as you should, as you deserve. That's your right. It's like you also open yourself up to scrutiny and critique. I think that's just that. Is it, like, Future doesn't really post that much about what he'd be on type.

[Jordan]

No. And I also. We also hold Drake to a higher standard.

[Unnamed Guest]

Exactly.

[Jordan]

There's also, like, with music, there's. Yeah. A different level of expectation with certain artists.

[Unnamed Guest]

Yeah. So it's like.

[Jordan]

And it's. It's more of a credit to Drake that we look for him for more. We have a meta hierarchy. It's a compliment. Like, we want you to be the evolved version of yourself that we fell in love with, but you're kind of reverting at the moment.

[Unnamed Guest]

Moment 100.

[Jordan]

So.

[Unnamed Guest]

So we'll see what happens.

[Jordan]

I don't know. I'm excited for the album, but I don't. You know, we'll see. We'll see what happens. Should we talk women? Women now?

[Unnamed Guest]

Yo. What?

[Jordan]

The wnba.

[Unnamed Guest]

So you went great. Great segment. Yeah.

[Jordan]

I had nothing.

[Unnamed Guest]

Should we talk women?

[Jordan]

Wnb. The WNBA of rap. This is the Nikki and Sza. It's currently happening. So by the time this comes out.

[Unnamed Guest]

Forgot about. Yes.

[Jordan]

Who knows what's happening at this point? But, like, I don't. I mean, I can be bl. I hate Nicki Minaj.

[Unnamed Guest]

Yeah. Be careful now.

[Jordan]

I don't care.

[Unnamed Guest]

The barbs.

[Jordan]

Will the bar say what you want? Okay, the gay guy with the podcast hates Nikki. Like, I don't. It. I can't stand her, bro. Like, I. She's always been the most immature one in any spat that she's having. Not that I'm saying Cardi is like, you know, a. A beacon of, you know, maturity. But, like, it's just. She is just gross. Like, her. Her relationship choices, the people she surrounds herself with, just how she carries herself. Like, I just. There's nothing redeeming about that woman. If she wasn't this good at music, she would be in no like, there's just nothing there.

[Unnamed Guest]

Yeah. I think it's very clear at this.

[Jordan]

Stage of her life, she's a lame.

[Unnamed Guest]

Yeah. She. Look, I. I think she's in a echo chamber.

[Jordan]

Oh, a thousand percent.

[Unnamed Guest]

You know, it's. It's so. Her. You know, her life is so insular in the sense that, like, it's like Lil Wayne her. I mean, even, bro, her stand base is kind of like the poster child of, like, toxic staining.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Unnamed Guest]

You know what I mean? Like, they go after people. They doxy, but we joke about all the barbs will get after you. But, like, the barbs, really.

[Jordan]

Yeah, but they. They bark after their leader. That's the energy that Nikki gives off. It's like they're going to follow suit. If you tell them to attack, they're to bite.

[Unnamed Guest]

That's what I mean. They're. They're as delusional as she is. And it's unfortunate because it's like, you know, Nikki has a kid. Nikki is, like, older now. She should be more mature. She shouldn't be, like, leading these. These mobs.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Unnamed Guest]

To direct hate at people for, like, bro, this whole sza happened because, well, Nikki says this. This wasn't the root of it, but, like, punch tde Punch tweets, Broken Barbies, which is him promoting this side. This artist he's, like, managing called I am Lyric, who just dropped this song not affiliated with tde. She drops a song called Broken Barbies, and Nikki from there uses that as her segue to just go ballistic on him. Sends us a sneak this at. Well, sends a shot at scissors along the way and a sneak this at Dochi randomly, which sucks, because doi shouted out Nikki and her, like, two years ago, but goes ballistic. Sza who my Jersey queen shout out to Scissors. You know, I mean, don't forget she's from Jersey. Claps back calmly. It's like, I'm on world tour right now. What the are we on? And Nikki just goes into the night screaming at the Ether.

[Jordan]

Yeah. The. One of the chunks from Nikki's tweet is, this is the thing. She's more successful than me. Lol. Y'. All catch me up, please. Sza. If every song you've ever done vanished right now, the music business wouldn't even miss you. I've been to countries that never heard of you. And then it's. It's much more than that, but that's just a piece of sad, bro.

[Unnamed Guest]

And it's like, I. It's coming to a point where I think it's been stopped being like a thing of entertainment and it's increasingly, increasingly becoming a thing of like, dog. Like, do you need help for like, do you need somebody in your corner to be like, yo, go on a social media break, bro. Like, you're tweaking. Like, I don't know who's in her side. That'll be like, you're crashing out.

[Jordan]

Yeah, I mean, she go draw your freckles back on bookie. Liar, liar, pants on fire. Sounding like a dead dog. Like, I mean this woman, she's like, what, 50?

[Unnamed Guest]

Yeah, I know Drake at one point might have been her like, chill out person. Like to tell her to chill. I don't know who that is, but it's like, this is sad. And it's like, it's really getting to the point of like asking the question of like, does she need help? Like, does she, does she dead ass need to seek some type of like, I don't know, something?

[Jordan]

Yeah, I think your initial points, right, the echo chamber. I mean, like, she can do that queen radio thing and have, you know, 2, 3 million plus people on there, like, you know, clamoring at every sentence she says and co signing and validating every opinion that she holds. It's just like living in that space is dangerous. But like, also, how does one escape that? That's the other thing. It's like you good luck. Like, no matter what you say, people, it's. It's the Trump thing. It's like this guy can say whatever the he wants. Like, yeah, I guess that's how we feel now.

[Unnamed Guest]

Type.

[Jordan]

He's currently trying to, it's first time in his life. It's not working with this Epstein. Like, yeah, he's trying to throw the scent off the trail with that. And everyone's like, wait, no, not on that one.

[Unnamed Guest]

You saw Stephen A. He was like, I don't give a if Trump was on the Epstein list. Like, that doesn't affect my life.

[Jordan]

I'm like, yeah, but that's not the approach you should have on that topic.

[Unnamed Guest]

That's also not the point. It's like, yes, of course. What?

[Jordan]

Yeah, no shit. That doesn't affect your fucking life.

[Unnamed Guest]

That doesn't mean it's not important. Stephen was like, I don't understand why people are so outraged at this. It doesn't affect your day to day. It's like. And again, I saw this clip also.

[Jordan]

That is one of the laziest takes that people always try to like enforce when they don't have the words to actually articulate why this is something that actually matters. Drake doesn't affect our life. Nothing we've said on the show affects our day to day. But guess what? It matters. And we talk about it because it's that matters. I hate that. It's so lazy. Why you feel. Because I'm a human and I'm reacting to big moments from people that are looked at as, like, you know, successful career artists and athletes. Like, why the do you talk about LeBron for 20 years type. Type he affect your life? Yeah, he does actually probably affect his life quite a bit. But. But, like, none of that, Matt. Like, it's such a lazy thing to say. I hate that. I hate when people do that.

[Unnamed Guest]

It's. It's stupid. But how do we get to Epstein? Oh, the Trump of it all.

[Jordan]

Yeah, yeah, the Nikki. The Nikki to Epstein pipeline, which I. Her husband, you know, he's right there. He could have been on the island. He's a little older and I haven't.

[Unnamed Guest]

Seen him in a minute.

[Jordan]

Like, well, you know, hang around too many schools and.

[Unnamed Guest]

Yeah, you know, watch list.

[Jordan]

Can't go out with friends, sir.

[Unnamed Guest]

So crazy, bro. It's like. And again, the barbs find ways to defend this.

[Jordan]

Of course. Yeah.

[Unnamed Guest]

It's correct.

[Jordan]

Well, my uncle was a pedophile. What?

[Unnamed Guest]

It's just like.

[Jordan]

So it's cool.

[Unnamed Guest]

You know, so often do I think about how even the term Stan was something that obviously Eminem coins.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Unnamed Guest]

And the whole point of him coining that phrase was like, the music video, the song. The purpose is like, don't be this.

[Jordan]

You're a weirdo.

[Unnamed Guest]

And now people use that phrase and that label as almost a badge of honor.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Unnamed Guest]

Of like, yeah, I'm a Nicki, Stan. I stand this person.

[Jordan]

You know what? It is now, too. Like, when I'm said it, there was no. There was no, like, stat that could support that. It's like, if you're that guy, you're a fucking weirdo. Because it's just. But now it's like with. With Reddit threads and Instagram posts and fan pages, like, you can say you're a stand, but it can be validated by how many followers that account has. I am Nikki's number one fan account. I have 2 million followers on Instagram. Like, Nikki follows back, like, for, like, she's liked this account 20 times. Like, there's stats that validate that behavior, which, like, on these live streams, if she engages with a comment, like, so and so said this. Like, there are metrics now that give these people even more to like crash out over. It's like Nikki follows me on Instagram. I can say whatever the fuck I want. Exactly. Like, it's like where in the stand days, it's like, you know this loser kid that's just writing letters in his basement.

[Unnamed Guest]

Yeah. It's like, it's like Stan inflation. Because in that time, in that era, to be considered a stand, you have to legitimately be a stalker. Yeah. Was talking about.

[Jordan]

Yeah, yeah.

[Unnamed Guest]

It's like you have to go to every show. You have to like, wait for every autograph. You have to know what he was doing. And you can only do that by.

[Jordan]

Legitimately stalking, following him on the road.

[Unnamed Guest]

Because there was no social media. Now it's way more accessible because of social media where. So you could follow someone that. And people who follow, like the parasocial relationship of it all.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Unnamed Guest]

You think that someone who you follow and keep up with, you know, bro.

[Jordan]

There'S a Reddit karma. People look at that shit like it's, you know, crazy. Like, that's my level of fandom is contingent upon how much karma I get on the thread or how many likes I receive on a post. It's like, that is terrifying way to live. But also, like, can kind of lets me understand why Nikki and those certain artists like that are the way they are. Because they know they have people like that, that no matter what they're. That's my, you know, I'll ride or die for that.

[Unnamed Guest]

And there's a lot of them. It's like, I don't know where the critique comes in. I don't know where like the self reflection comes in. Because this should. Obviously she doesn't think she's in the wrong. Like.

[Jordan]

No, no, I saw that. You know, she's never once apologized ever.

[Unnamed Guest]

Yeah. It's like she. And I don't know that she ever will. I don't. I think we're just past that.

[Jordan]

Not in her nature, you know, especially grown woman.

[Unnamed Guest]

Especially because she also has this status and stature of being. Of doing what she's done in the rap game. So she's accomplished so much. She is at another. She is in a rarefied air in that sense. But she uses that to validate her very, very negative behavior.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Unnamed Guest]

You know, which is like. Yeah. Very unfortunate.

[Jordan]

So, Jordan, I can't thank you enough for. For coming here. We've been friends for.

[Unnamed Guest]

We.

[Jordan]

We actually time stamped it. April of whatever. I don't know. You DM'd me like 3 or 4 years ago. We just became boys ever since then. 2 real OG dream billions in this. One of the very few people in hip hop media that I respect not only their opinion, but also just as, like, a genuine person and as a friend. We spent our 4th of July weekend together, which is what prompted us to actually record together today some great conversations that we continue to have off Mike. I'm happy to have one on Mike and come back, man, now that your offices are nearby, dog.

[Unnamed Guest]

Listen, you. I walked here from the office, man.

[Jordan]

Beautiful, bro. And look, I love it.

[Unnamed Guest]

To give you your flowers. Thank you. First, for having me on the show, but second, to, like, see how you've built this out. Like, obviously, turning a bad situation into a positive is something that a lot of cannot do.

[Jordan]

Had to cover a tattoo now.

[Unnamed Guest]

Great, great way to bring it back to the episode. Like, not for real, bro. To, like, produce this yourself, edit this yourself, get the equipment is, like, the type of ambition and drive that a lot of don't have because, like, they think that potting is easy and it's not.

[Jordan]

This sucks.

[Unnamed Guest]

So, like, but you doing it, and you're feeding the streets, so I appreciate.

[Jordan]

You, you know, See you on the list next year, buddy. Yeah. Yeah. For real. Thank you, everybody. This is episode 27 of Something Wrong with the Podcast. I appreciate you. Have a good week. God bless all that stuff. Peace, Peace.

[Unnamed Guest]

Shame. Nothing wrong with the pussy.