Broken Lattice | Son of a Boy Dad #418

Summary

Podcast Summary – Son of a Boy Dad #418: Broken Lattice

Podcast: Son of a Boy Dad
Episode: Broken Lattice (#418)
Date: July 14, 2026
Participants: Lil Sasquatch, Rone (Host/Producer), Francis

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Episode Overview

This episode finds Sasquatch fresh from dropping out of college and reflecting on his direction in life. With lighthearted banter, the group—guided by Rone—dives into the minutiae of adulthood: purging old clothes, underwear and sock debates, memorable childhood lies, chafing horror stories, and how parents should teach honesty. The tone is classic SoaBD: irreverent, self-deprecating, and packed with comically honest life advice.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

Purging Closets and Sock Drawer Catharsis

[03:47]–[08:15]

• Francis and Rone recount their joys and struggles with mismatched socks: after doing aggressive closet purges, Rone describes the satisfaction of tossing out single socks and starting fresh.
  • "If you don't have a partner, you're getting thrown out. I don't care how much I love the one sock." – Rone [05:09]
• Debate over premium socks (Smartwool, price and quality)
• Joy and regret of post-purge shopping sprees

Underwear Wars: Low Rise, High Rise, and Boxers vs. Briefs

[07:45]–[13:11]

• Rone reveals his foray into Uniqlo’s low rise boxer briefs, sparking a passionate debate about boxer preferences.
  • “You wear high rise? Mine are so high rise I put my arms in first.” – Harry [09:27]
• Francis clings to old-school loose boxers for comfort; Harry and Rone advocate boxer briefs for support and health.
• Chafing and Ass Cheek Friction: Francis relates epic tales of chafing during long hikes, even talking Gold Bond remedies and the challenge of sharing anatomical specifics.
  • “My cheeks naturally touch together.” – Francis [14:13]
  • “You need a wonder bra for your ass.” – Rone [17:52]

Hoarding, Sentimentality, and the Marie Kondo Method

[19:00]–[20:53]

• Francis admits to keeping too many Barstool promo shirts and old clothing, reflecting on the difficulty of letting go.
• Group reflects on clothing sentimentality, referencing Marie Kondo’s ‘does this bring me joy?’ principle—except Francis’ wardrobe is always on the floor.

Lying as a Kid: Childhood Fabrications & The “Broken Lattice” Story

[29:17]–[37:39]

• Each recounts elaborate childhood lies—like claiming celebrity encounters just for social cachet.
  • “I met Shania Twain and Joey from Friends.” – Harry [31:01]
• Francis tells the story of a kid insisting her dad was Red Sox pitcher Daisuke Matsuzaka [31:56].
• Harry recalls breaking a friend’s porch lattice, being caught, and learning the value of coming clean.
  • “The best thing to do is tell the truth. And I was like, what the fuck? What are you talking about?” – Harry [34:23]
• The trio explores how parents can encourage kids to be honest:
  • "They need to tell the truth once and have you not get mad." – Harry [37:49]
  • Supported by AI: “Focus on making honesty feel safe rather than fearful.” [38:37]

Being Held Accountable (as Kids and as Parents)

[40:08]–[43:01]

• The group debates when it’s appropriate to yell at another person’s child and how public discipline scenarios relate to wildlife documentary ethics: “don’t intervene” [41:23].

Restaurant Tables and Celebrity Seating: Hemingway to Hitler

[48:44]–[56:55]

• Recap of a failed attempt to film in a no-cameras-allowed restaurant, which led to sitting at “Hemingway’s table.”
• Bit about the true/false history of “famous tables” at restaurants—who’s really sat there, and does it matter?
  • “Hitler sat at this table. Now we’re talking.” – Francis [55:01]
  • Jokes about reclaiming famous spaces or reinterpreting their meaning (even “Hitler’s table”).
• Bourdain, Taylor Swift, LeBron, Capone — debating who’d get them to wait for a special seat.

Weed, Dab Rigs, and Modern Convenience

[59:12]–[65:18]

• Harry notes the oddity that large amounts of weed can now be ordered as easily as UberEats.
• Tales of using modern smoking devices versus old-school “batties” (one-hitters).
• Light skepticism and amusement about strong wax rigs and hiking stoned.

Memorable and Funny Moments

• Sock & Underwear Bits
  • “High rise? I got skyscrapers. I put my arms in first.” – Harry [09:20]
  • “You need a wonder bra for your ass.” – Rone [17:52]
• Childhood Lies Section:
  • “I went surfing in Hawaii.” [29:53] – Francis, mirroring a friend’s lie in kindergarten

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Standout Quotes (with Timestamps)

• “If you don't have a partner, you're getting thrown out. I don't care how much I love the one sock.” – Rone [05:09]
• “You wear high rise? Mine are so high rise I put my arms in first.” – Harry [09:27]
• “You need a wonder bra for your ass.” – Rone [17:52]
• “They need to tell the truth once and have you not get mad.” – Harry [37:49]
• “Hitler sat at this table. Now we're talking.” – Francis [55:01]
• “My cheeks naturally touch together.” – Francis [14:13]

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Notable Segments & Timestamps

• Sock/Closet Purges: [03:47–08:15]
• Underwear Wars & Chafing: [07:45–14:57]
• Childhood Lies / “Broken Lattice” Story: [29:17–37:39]
• Parenting & Honesty: [36:38–38:39]
• Celeb Table Trope / Restaurant Stories: [48:44–56:55]
• Weed Tech & “Baddie” One-Hitters: [59:12–66:47]

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Takeaways

• Adulting is an endless negotiation between comfort, fashion, and sentimentality (especially regarding socks and underwear).
• Formative childhood mistakes hinge on the lessons adults teach around accountability and honesty.
• Everyone lies as a kid, but learning to tell the truth—even about “breaking the lattice”—is a core (sometimes awkward) milestone.
• Cultural cachet of spaces (restaurants, tables) is endlessly negotiable and often comical—celebrity or historical association means little beyond novelty.

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Episode Tone & Style

Classic Son of a Boy Dad: candid, absurd, and self-deprecating. The group is unafraid to dive deeply into mundane topics, spinning them into extended bits and relatable rants. The language is casual, as are the conversational digressions—anchored by a camaraderie that always just borders on roasting.

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For listeners and newcomers alike, this episode is a comic meditation on becoming an adult—and the odd baggage, nostalgia, and fabrications we rarely stop to question.

Transcript

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[Francis]

Yeah. All right. Welcome back to the Son of Avoid that podcast. Today it's a day. We are here live from HQ3. Trying this for the third time now, third intro.

[Ron]

We've had the restart a couple times because SaaS is just constantly introducing a new slur for Portuguese people. I didn't know there was one. The little tilde over the.

[Harry]

The o. Geezers.

[Ron]

Geezers. Old geezers, yes. So good to see you. That's. Those are shoes you were wearing to dinner the other night.

[Harry]

Yeah. I love that outfit. I thought to myself, I'm gonna run that back.

[Francis]

I love that.

[Ron]

It was such a damn good outfit. I just bought a bunch of new socks from Uniqlo and I think that I am a bit inspired by the socks that you've been weari Uniqlo. What are your thoughts on that brand?

[Francis]

Oh, I love Uniqlo.

[Ron]

Yeah.

[Harry]

I would think you might.

[Francis]

Yeah. It's for me. It's built for me.

[Ron]

Unique for, like, unique guys who are on the down.

[Harry]

Skinny Japanese boys.

[Ron]

Is it Japanese or is it skinny,

[Francis]

skinny, skinny, fat Japanese boys?

[Harry]

It's got to be Japanese. Can we look up?

[Francis]

It is. It's Japanese. I'm like. I'm like a member.

[Ron]

You have to be. I'm a member to. Now. I should have known that because when. When you bought. When I bought it, I had to sign up for a membership.

[Francis]

Oh, yeah. Did you go to the store?

[Ron]

No, but I've done it.

[Francis]

There's one in soho. They have the thing where you. When you scan, like when you check out, you just throw everything in and it knows every item that you have. It's a self checkout, but it has like, the sensors. So like, you could have, like two pairs of socks, a pair of underwear and a shirt. You throw it all in, it immediately has it all ringed up.

[Harry]

It's like when you go to the airport someplace, y steal everything.

[Francis]

Exactly like that.

[Harry]

You find out you had. You paid for it.

[Francis]

You paid for all of it. Yeah.

[Ron]

But in reality, it's a man in Bangladesh.

[Francis]

Yeah, Exactly.

[Ron]

Just counting 1, 2, 3, 4 pairs of socks.

[Francis]

That's two pairs of socks.

[Ron]

But I went through a. I did an aggressive purge of all of my. Of all of my things, and I had so many. Do you guys suffer from having, like, mismatched socks in a drawer? There's tons of them. Hundreds. And so I washed everything and then I just went through the entire mismatched sock pile and I nuked it and I was like, if you don't have a partner, you're getting thrown out. I don't care how much I love the one soccer. I, I'm throwing you in the trough

[Francis]

because I've got a couple pair. I've got a couple pairs of really good. Just one sock.

[Ron]

Yeah, but it's like what you're, you're holding on to.

[Francis]

Those aren't pairs. I have a couple.

[Harry]

You got a couple Lone Rangers?

[Francis]

Yeah, yeah, real good. But like, you just look at them and you're like, I wish I knew.

[Harry]

Will you match those with other Lone Rangers? Will you go, will you go two different socks?

[Francis]

Yeah. I don't get rid of the, I don't get rid of the Lone Rangers.

[Harry]

But will you wear them?

[Francis]

Ye.

[Harry]

Yes.

[Ron]

What's so good are these wool socks? Cuz that's the only thing that could be like so good about a sock.

[Francis]

Oh, I got a lot of smart wool socks that I have to mismatch.

[Harry]

Those are good socks.

[Ron]

Great.

[Francis]

I mean, expensive socks too.

[Ron]

How much like they cost?

[Francis]

It's like a pair of shoes.

[Harry]

Sometimes I'll wear them without shoes.

[Francis]

Yeah, they're like $40 or 40 bucks

[Ron]

or some like, for a pair of socks.

[Francis]

They're not 40. They're not 40. They's probably like 30 if I had to guess.

[Harry]

I think they're 20. One pair is 20 bucks. That's a lot.

[Ron]

It's free falling right now. The price is free falling.

[Harry]

But they last forever. There is a difference.

[Francis]

Do they last forever though?

[Harry]

I have smart wool socks in my drawer right now. Where, I mean, you know the fact that I don't put them away for winter because they take up so much space. I mean, they're Christmas stockings.

[Francis]

Yeah. They're hefty.

[Harry]

They're the type of things you put on like a horse to keep their feet warm in winter. And I, they just sit there taking up 75, 5% of the sock drawer. And then all my cute little white socks are off to the left stuffed in a fucking.

[Francis]

I got a lot of socks, but

[Ron]

I think with the lot of socks. But you, you get into the like fear of like. Well, the pair is somewhere in the rotation. Like, you're like, if I haven't washed every piece of clothes that I have so you can take inventory. You're like, well, the other one's probably just in the laundry of these two. I need to be able to put these together. Yeah, you have to wash everything. So you just have everything in front of you and you're just like, if this sock doesn't have a pair, shoot it in the back. You have to get rid of them. And it felt like looking at my sock drawer right now is so satisfying.

[Harry]

Yeah, that's nice.

[Ron]

And I'm sure I've been. I've room. So I hit the Uniqlo. I hit it hard.

[Harry]

The post purge. The post purge admiration of a closet is one of those Uniqlo good feelings.

[Ron]

And then you. And then you. You're like, I could shop a little.

[Harry]

Yeah.

[Ron]

And you. And then you kind of ruin the problem.

[Harry]

I've got. I've got space.

[Francis]

Did you pick up anything else at Uniqlo or just box?

[Ron]

I picked up some. I picked up some pairs of underwear as well because my underwear drawer was looking a little bit light.

[Francis]

I don't know if I would recommend the Uniqlo underwear.

[Ron]

Really? You.

[Francis]

Not really my style, but also I'm a boxer's guy, so.

[Harry]

Oh.

[Ron]

Well, these are boxer briefs and two of the pairs. And I bought them just to feel sexy. They were. They were termed low rise boxer briefs. I don't know what it means.

[Francis]

I don't know if you could pay me to even try that on.

[Ron]

I bought two pair of low ride boxer briefs. What the is low rise?

[Harry]

These boxers will intentionally sag off your ass.

[Francis]

Yeah.

[Harry]

To make it look dumpy as hell.

[Francis]

They like down by like your pubes.

[Ron]

I haven't gotten them yet. I just saw them and I was like, these look sexy, bro.

[Francis]

Those are diabolical.

[Ron]

Those aren't Uniqlo. That's. As we move. That's what I'll pull up. The Uniqlo low rise boxer briefs.

[Harry]

Oh, wow.

[Francis]

I mean, even those, like, that's what you guys wear?

[Harry]

No, not what I wear.

[Ron]

I. I mean, all I have is a picture of these boxer br. Briefs in front of a white background. So I don't know what. How they'll look like on Shaft Boxer

[Francis]

briefs I can't wear.

[Harry]

Why not?

[Francis]

They're just so uncomfortable.

[Harry]

That's crazy. You're not. But for what it's worth, there are boxer. I'm very particular about my underwear.

[Francis]

Me too. Yeah.

[Harry]

And I. There's only one. I've only worn one type of underwear for about 15 years.

[Francis]

Pretty much me as well.

[Ron]

And high rise.

[Harry]

No. Yeah, I wear. I wear the high rise. Yeah. I wear 17th floor downtown Manhattan.

[Ron]

You got skyscrapers.

[Harry]

I got some. I put my arms in first.

[Ron]

High rise.

[Harry]

I got the high rise. They cover my belly button.

[Ron]

No man should be wearing low rise, though. Like that is how you get plumbers crack. Yeah, like low rise is insane.

[Francis]

I also like do wear underwear that goes up to my belly button.

[Harry]

My, my boxers are so high rise that when I pee I pull them out the leg. I pull my dick out the leg. Not the middle, just the bottom of

[Ron]

a tight, a tight ass leg. Like that doesn't look that crazy, does it?

[Francis]

Yeah, that's insane.

[Harry]

Boxer trunks.

[Ron]

That's just like a nice boxer trunk

[Francis]

if you have washboard abs.

[Ron]

Yeah, well, why don't girls get plumber crack?

[Francis]

I mean the model is shredded.

[Harry]

Yeah, of course he is. They always are. They always are.

[Francis]

Those would be baggy on me.

[Harry]

They should have someone like. You guys like airy modeling.

[Ron]

They don't have plus size male models. No, they only have plus size female. Like body positivity doesn't exist.

[Francis]

You know what it is though? That a lot of like the, a lot of like the fishing brands are, are using plus size men now.

[Ron]

Yeah.

[Francis]

Well, I think it's probably because a lot of fishermen are fat and. Oh yeah, you like, you'll go to like get like a fishing shirt and it's just some dude just bursting through it. You're like, ah, ah.

[Harry]

What was I going to say? I was going to say this. I'm. I agree that not all boxer briefs are comfortable and the ones that ride up are the worst.

[Francis]

I don't like the, I don't like them sticking to my legs.

[Harry]

Yes.

[Francis]

But dude, I don't want compression on my legs.

[Harry]

I think you're going to get to this point.

[Francis]

I probably will.

[Harry]

You're going to get to a point where you're going to realize like wearing boxers is insane. It's, it's childish.

[Francis]

It is. Dude, I'm never.

[Harry]

You're gonna need. One day you're gonna need to like run.

[Francis]

Yeah. And I'll run.

[Ron]

No, then your ball's gonna get like wrapped around your leg like a skip it.

[Harry]

You're gonna rip your underwear as you're taking long.

[Francis]

No, no, you've got this completely.

[Harry]

It's gonna shift and it's gonna be stiff on one leg, you know, and then it'd be tight and you'll take a stride and the whole thing will rip down the ass.

[Francis]

That's what you'd think.

[Harry]

I remember I used to do that. I used to rip my boxers every day.

[Francis]

These are like, if I were to take my shorts off, my underwear would fall to my ankles. Like, these are like, I'm wearing like a triple XL2 pairs. There's plenty of room for movement.

[Harry]

What?

[Francis]

I'm not being restricted at all.

[Harry]

You got no support whatsoever?

[Francis]

Zero.

[Ron]

That's also like, unhealthy for your ball health.

[Francis]

According to who?

[Ron]

The aba, bro. The American Ball Association.

[Harry]

Yeah. Damn, Harry. Come on.

[Ron]

Let's listen to what AI has to say.

[Francis]

What is AI saying?

[Ron]

Let's, let's see. Baggy boxers are excellent for your testicles.

[Harry]

There we go.

[Francis]

All right.

[Ron]

Because they're loose, they allow for maximum airflow, which keeps your scrotum at the ideal, slightly lower temperature required for healthy sperm production.

[Harry]

Exactly. Man, Harry's aging his balls like wand.

[Francis]

Yep.

[Ron]

You actually need to be careful with those healthy ass balls. You can knock someone up by looking at them.

[Harry]

Damn.

[Ron]

All this time, lack of support means that they can cause chafing or painful bouncing during physical activities.

[Harry]

As soon as you find yourself in a physical activity someday. I know it hasn't happened in a while, but when it does, you're in for a real sad surprise.

[Francis]

I. I mean, now I'm getting worried because I'm literally going on a five mile hike tomorrow or next or I went on one already. And my balls got chafed on it.

[Ron]

Historically, have your balls been affected?

[Francis]

Not really now, but historically, my ass has been affected pretty bad.

[Harry]

What do you mean?

[Francis]

I get my. Like on those long hikes. I get chafing in the ass bad.

[Harry]

Around the. Around the around cracks. Oh, around the cracks.

[Francis]

Well, like around the cheek. Yeah.

[Ron]

What's rubbing against what?

[Francis]

The cheeks are rubbing together

[Harry]

like cleavage.

[Francis]

What do you mean?

[Harry]

Like your butt cheeks are going like this.

[Francis]

Well, yeah, when you're walking for five hours straight.

[Harry]

I don't think my cheeks are doing that.

[Francis]

What?

[Ron]

How? I don't know.

[Francis]

Your cheeks aren't touching. What do you have a cheek gap?

[Harry]

I think I got some cheek gap. I think I got some chap.

[Francis]

Well, I don't have a gaping asshole, so my cheeks naturally touch together.

[Harry]

I don't think your butt cheeks are supposed to be stuck together. If that's case, then how do you.

[Ron]

Friction.

[Francis]

It's friction.

[Harry]

Does it just like ooze out of your. Did you wipe like your whole crack?

[Francis]

Yes, I do, for starters. But also, no. My ass separates when I shit. But when I'm walking for hours at a time, like, even if it's very minimal friction, like, it starts to get chafed. So I got. I got some of the Gold Bond anti chafe.

[Ron]

I wonder what that I'm gonna rub

[Francis]

between my ass cheeks.

[Ron]

Well, you're not the only person that walks though. Why does this why does this problem afflict you and not the billions of other walkers?

[Francis]

You've never got chafing in the ass?

[Ron]

No, I mean, I've gotten like, around

[Francis]

the ass or maybe like.

[Ron]

Are you talking about like an itch? No, because that means you haven't wiped your ass.

[Francis]

No, no, no, I'm not talking about an itch.

[Ron]

Then, no, it's like, I have not gotten my ass chafed by. By doing some walking.

[Francis]

Well, you boys don't really get outside much, so I guess that would explain it.

[Ron]

Let's go 10 for 10.

[Harry]

I live outdoors.

[Ron]

We could go M for M. I

[Francis]

mean, maybe if you walked a course every now and then, you'd understand.

[Harry]

I'm walking one today.

[Francis]

Yeah?

[Harry]

Yeah.

[Ron]

How's that?

[Harry]

All right. I'll tell you what. I'm not going to come off and be like, boy, my. I wish my cheeks were a little.

[Francis]

But I'm not. I like, I want to. Like, I wanted that on the right.

[Harry]

I should have put. Put a spacer.

[Francis]

Like. Like, let me block. Let me give you my cheeks. Specific scenario. When we went to Wyoming for the. When I went to the Wyoming for the first time ever to visit Bo at. At the ranch that he worked at, which is like one of the first episodes we did of the show. We went on a. We went on a 14 mile hike. And the way up, I was totally fine. Set for seven miles, I was totally fine. It was probably like the last three miles on the way home where it was like, my ass was in a lot of hurt.

[Harry]

I think I need to clarify one more time. Are you talking about your rectum? Are you talking about the whole like.

[Francis]

I'm not talking about my asshole.

[Harry]

You're talking about fully exterior issue, but not quite exterior.

[Francis]

No, no. Exterior.

[Harry]

Then you're talking about the outside of your cheeks.

[Francis]

Like the outside right towards where they meet in the middle.

[Harry]

Yeah, that's what I thought it was. That's not fully exterior. That's aperture.

[Francis]

No, that's exterior. Anything that is not. The only thing that's not exterior is inside.

[Ron]

Model it out with your hands. Model it out with your hands.

[Harry]

I'm thinking that like Harry's.

[Francis]

If this is his crack, that's my crack.

[Harry]

He's getting chafe right in here.

[Francis]

No, no, no, no, no. It's more towards, like, where the cheeks meet. So say like the bottom.

[Ron]

Dude, that's an underwear problem. That's an underwear. It'll be like this.

[Francis]

It'd be like this. Like if you're walking just for hours.

[Harry]

Oh, it's bottom of the cheek.

[Francis]

Bottom of the cheek.

[Harry]

Okay, so, like, right down here.

[Francis]

Right down in there.

[Harry]

Right.

[Ron]

And it's. If you're wearing boxer briefs, that would be. That wouldn't be a problem. It's literally because of the boxers you're wearing.

[Harry]

I think your ass is sagging too much. And I think briefs.

[Francis]

I'm like, I don't have much of an ass to say.

[Harry]

I know. Well, I'm. Whatever the case.

[Ron]

Like, you got a Yoko Ono ass.

[Harry]

You need backlift. Most guys need front lift. You need back lift.

[Ron]

You need a wonder bra that lifts and separates.

[Harry]

Correct.

[Ron]

He needs a wonder bra for his ass.

[Harry]

You need some structure. You need wires.

[Ron]

You need a padded underwire wonder bra. You might be.

[Francis]

You guys might be right.

[Ron]

Honestly, just try wearing. Like, when was the last time you wore a boxer brief?

[Francis]

Oh, man. If I'm bringing out the briefs, it is laundry day. Has been. Oh, has been.

[Harry]

Ways to do.

[Ron]

So you have some.

[Francis]

I've got a couple pairs.

[Ron]

What are they doing? Where are they? Where are they from?

[Francis]

Hanes.

[Ron]

No, but what part of your life are they from?

[Francis]

Probably being on the road and forgetting underwear. Like, I have so many pairs of socks and underwear because of how many times I've gone on the road and just completely forgot to pack underwear.

[Ron]

I can't believe you moved with all of them. I can't believe you didn't take the chance of you moving.

[Francis]

I threw out, like, seven trash bags of clothes. Clothes when I moved.

[Ron]

Really?

[Francis]

And it didn't make a dent, bro. It's just, like, so many, like, oh, this is the shirt from when we had Dana beers on the act six years ago. And, you know, we all got. We got shirts made for it. Yeah, it's like. Like that. Like, I have so many. Like, I don't bring random shirts.

[Harry]

I don't.

[Francis]

I don't either anymore. But I used to bring home everything because I was like, I don't know how long this is gonna last, you know? And I was like, I'm getting a ton of free from Barstool. So I was bringing home every shirt that we had to, like, everything.

[Ron]

Yeah. I think that you. There's a point where you can't keep on hanging on to those things for the sentimental value, I think. I mean, like, Marie Kondo and, like, thank the clothes for the journey that they gave you in life, like, and just let them go.

[Francis]

Yeah, I do. I do get that.

[Harry]

I would say that you should do a day of what Marie Kondo says, which is that you're supposed to lay out every single item of clothing that you have on the floor so that you can see it all and then decide what's worth it. But your clothes are on the floor already.

[Francis]

Yeah, I'm making that decision every day.

[Harry]

You are. You're living in them, Walking around them like they're sleeping puppies.

[Francis]

Yeah, pretty much.

[Ron]

Yeah. And you have to look at everything and you. You have to say, does this bring me joy?

[Francis]

Yeah.

[Ron]

Yeah.

[Francis]

I mean, I got a lot of, like, jackets that I don't really. Oh, Just forgot about my rain jacket.

[Harry]

Well, you're going home.

[Francis]

Yeah.

[Ron]

You already had the trip.

[Francis]

Gone.

[Harry]

What do you mean?

[Francis]

I don't know where it is.

[Ron]

He left it in Montana.

[Francis]

It's probably in Montana.

[Harry]

What are you talking about?

[Francis]

No, I'm just.

[Harry]

It's gone.

[Francis]

It's definitely gone.

[Harry]

Where'd you leave it?

[Francis]

I don't know. I forgot I was supposed to look for

[Ron]

Is tough to wear rain jackets this time of year or even to keep us an assessment of your exact jackets this time of year.

[Francis]

A rain jacket should be a yearly.

[Ron]

Yeah. Fresh purchase.

[Francis]

Fresh purchase. I feel that I. I honestly, I'm saying that, and I don't even know if I really believe it. I've never done that. I have never bought a rain jacket. Every year I own two. But I'm thinking about it now, and I'm like, I think a rain jacket you should re up on.

[Ron]

Yeah, maybe it's time to re up.

[Francis]

Yeah, it might be.

[Ron]

Honestly. Yeah. How slick is yours? How, how and how. How bulky is it?

[Francis]

My. I have two. One of them is like. It's a lot of the rain jackets are for show these days. Like, you. If you're actually in the rain, you got about 10 minutes until you're soaked. Like, they don't do anything.

[Harry]

That's not true.

[Francis]

Unless you get one of the ones that they wear in like. Like an old sailing movie. Like the yellow one that's like this thick.

[Ron]

The one from Shutter Island.

[Francis]

Yeah, exactly.

[Ron]

You need to be wearing a full length one.

[Francis]

Yeah. You're getting soaked now.

[Ron]

I have two rain jackets. One from palace, one from North Face, and they're both fucking awesome.

[Francis]

Really?

[Ron]

They both. They work against the rain?

[Harry]

Yeah, you're fine.

[Ron]

They were North Face.

[Francis]

One is. Which one's better?

[Ron]

Palace. They're both pretty good.

[Francis]

His palace that, like that streetwear brand.

[Harry]

Skateboarding and cool stuff.

[Ron]

Yeah, it's a skateboarding. It's a skateboarding. Cool.

[Francis]

Bone's cool. As I wear.

[Ron]

I wear my skateboarding raincoat. The people from palace will probably beat my ass, bro.

[Francis]

I wear that.

[Ron]

Owning that.

[Francis]

I. I didn't even know that was still a thing. I wear that Nike SB sweat. Those two sweatshirts that I have. People, the comments get furious.

[Harry]

Why?

[Francis]

They're like, he doesn't even skate. And I was like, oh, I didn't think that was still like a. Like, yeah, no, I don't.

[Ron]

I don't poser. Like, your poser for wearing skating shoes or like a palace. I just like how Palace. Yeah, yeah.

[Francis]

It was like one of the nicer Nike sweatshirts I've seen. I was like, I'm definitely gonna get this. No regrets. Great sweatshirts. Highly recommend them.

[Harry]

Did I. Did I ever tell you guys about my skateboarding year?

[Francis]

No.

[Harry]

Or maybe it was me and Tiger Kill Hour. Matthias. Matthias. I don't remember Matthias's last name. We all. We all got pretty into it. Matias was the best.

[Francis]

Were you actually skateboarding or were you, like, lawnboarding?

[Harry]

You know, I had a Zoo York deck.

[Francis]

Hell, yeah.

[Harry]

Spitfire trucks.

[Francis]

Love that.

[Harry]

Wheels.

[Francis]

No reds. Couldn't afford the reds.

[Harry]

I don't know what that is.

[Francis]

Different type of trucks.

[Harry]

Oh, I had DC shoes.

[Francis]

Hell, yeah.

[Harry]

I had an etne's backpack that you could put my skateboard in.

[Francis]

Fuck, yeah.

[Harry]

It was cool. That was the present my parents got me after I came out of the hospital. With the septic ankle thing.

[Francis]

You were like, I'm gonna be a grungy teen.

[Harry]

Well, the backpack worked because it had this pocket inside of which you could fit my IV bags so you could run the line from the backpack into my heart. I remember being like, yeah, that I

[Ron]

got my supreme catheter tube.

[Harry]

But, like, let's make it look cool. I'm not.

[Ron]

Well, that's Colostomy Bag by Famous,

[Harry]

but yeah. So I remember we. I, I, we. Okay, so. So we went to the skate park once in Brunswick, Maine. It was me and Tiger Killauer, and we were there, and I was wearing a lot of pads.

[Francis]

How old are you?

[Harry]

I was in fifth grade.

[Ron]

Okay, so you're 10, 11?

[Harry]

Yeah, something like that.

[Francis]

No shaman pads.

[Harry]

Yeah, but, like, you can wear elbow pads and knee pads. I mean, I was.

[Francis]

People don't. Like when you got the wrist guards on.

[Harry]

I had wrist guards on. I had a helmet, obviously. And we were. We. We were. I was at the top of the half pipe, and I'd never dropped in.

[Francis]

Jesus.

[Harry]

And there was a guy there who was, like, a few years older, and

[Francis]

you had tubes sticking out of your heart and all. Someone should have Been like, yo, this is a bad idea.

[Harry]

This was before. This was before that happened.

[Ron]

Like an IV Tower about to drop in with you. Yeah. On wheels.

[Harry]

Okay. So I'm standing there, and I'm with Tiger, and this older kid is, like, urging me on, and my. My board is, you know, I'm standing on the back tail or whatever, and, like, one foot on the half pipe and, like, trying to get the urge to, like, drop in. But I. I've only ever dropped into, like, a small quarter pipe before, which I was able to do, which is

[Ron]

still very difficult and scary.

[Francis]

Yeah.

[Harry]

But, like. But he. This guy was like, there's nothing to it. You just need to commit. And then I never. I'll never forget this is seared into my brain. He goes, you're not gonna get hurt with all that shit you're wearing. Anyway, that was the thing that made me be like, yeah, I can't get hurt.

[Ron]

Yeah.

[Harry]

And, boy, did I get hurt. I did it. And I did what everybody probably does, which is that I didn't lean forward.

[Francis]

No.

[Harry]

I leaned back and just fell down the half pipe and landed kind of in the flat that. Oh. Hurt myself, like, you know, not. Not injured, but, like, took the wind out of me. Mangled your body, probably me up.

[Francis]

I don't get how some people, like, can just do that and be fine. Do you think they just, like, know how to fall?

[Harry]

I think they know how to fall, yeah. I think those guys know how to fall. And I also think that, like, guys like Nigel Houston or whatever, they have had so many horrific injuries and don't show the tape of fit.

[Francis]

True.

[Harry]

You know, those guys are just. I'll never understand how those guys just categorically don't wear helmets. I don't get that part of it.

[Ron]

Well, they're brave as hell.

[Francis]

I don't understand really. Like, I. I don't really understand the. The pain. Like, I don't have the pain tolerance. Like, I remember, like, I used to do, like, sk. I used to, like, ski, and I would do, like, the jumps and, like, the rails and stuff.

[Harry]

Yeah.

[Francis]

And, like, I remember, like, falling. Yeah. I remember, like, falling on a rail and, like, landing on my ass. I think that was the last time I ever. I was just like, I'm never gonna do this again. Like, it was like, it's because you

[Ron]

didn't have enough domestic abuse in your house.

[Francis]

It's probably what it is.

[Ron]

Like, the best skateboarders, boxers, football players, like, if you're domestically abused and no pain. Psychological pain, as well as Physical pain from a young age. Like you're sick on a half pipe. Yeah.

[Harry]

I wasn't domestically abused, but I was foreign abused. We had a nanny from England.

[Ron]

Really?

[Harry]

Who just beat the out of a non domest.

[Ron]

Dude. Mary Poppins whipping your ass?

[Harry]

Popping my ass with the belt.

[Ron]

No. Absolute.

[Harry]

Yeah.

[Ron]

That would be brutal if Mary Poppins was secretly beating up those kids. She looked so sweet.

[Harry]

Yeah.

[Ron]

She was coming down the chimney and beating soot out of their ass. Did you ever. Did you ever skate? No, never. I used to, I think in like third grade, I would, like, lie and say that I had a 6 foot 8 older brother who was a skateboarder.

[Francis]

6 foot 8?

[Ron]

Yeah. I just thought that was like, really

[Francis]

light to be skating.

[Harry]

Yeah.

[Ron]

But it was like the two coolest things I could think of at that time. Yeah. Like height and being able to skate. I think I was just like, telling people he, like, broke his hand, broke his wrist doing a handstand on a half pipe. So specific.

[Harry]

You passed me one of those body armors.

[Ron]

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[Harry]

I. I lied so much as a kid. I'm so glad I. That that broke that habit.

[Ron]

Yeah, it's an awful habit.

[Harry]

You finally just realize, like, yeah, this is not the way out.

[Ron]

But why?

[Francis]

That's just being a kid, though. Like I remember. Like I remember one time I got in trouble in kindergarten because my friend Jack. Jack, who I'm still friends with, we had to write what we did over the weekend. Wait, who's Jack Venture?

[Ron]

The tall. The tall handsome.

[Francis]

The one that we went to the Chain show with. Oh, at the Garden.

[Harry]

God, I forgot about that.

[Ron]

Yeah.

[Francis]

Yeah. We were in kindergarten class, and we had to write what we did over

[Ron]

the week from kindergarten to the Garden.

[Francis]

Exactly.

[Ron]

The story of Jack's friendship. Yeah.

[Francis]

We had to go. We had to go and write. We had to draw a picture of what we did over the weekend. And he drew. He said, I went surfing in Hawaii and drew that. And then I did this. I said the same thing. I said, I went surfing in Hawaii and I got in like a ton of trouble. They were like, no, you didn't. And I was like, yeah, I don't think he did either. We're both like four.

[Harry]

Similar story. Like, we. One summer I met Harrison Ford. You know that story?

[Francis]

Yeah, yeah, of course.

[Harry]

And then I was like, the next year, I was like, well. Well, it's now thought that I will meet celebrities every summer.

[Francis]

Oh, yeah.

[Ron]

And you probably just wanted that pop that you got from the hair.

[Harry]

Yeah, I wanted chasing the high. I wanted that. So I was like, all right, who's relevant? And I came back that next year and they did the thing. They were like, who. You know, how was your summer name? Something that happened. And I said that I met Shania Twain and Joey from Friends. Those were the two celebrities I met that summer.

[Francis]

Such a random.

[Harry]

And nobody questioned me either, because they're like, well, he meets.

[Ron]

Yeah, they were like, that don't impress me.

[Harry]

Yeah, he had the Harrison Ford, so he's got credibility. Yeah.

[Ron]

Shania Twain was. She did have a chokehold in 98. She had a chokehold.

[Harry]

She was on the culture, top of the game.

[Ron]

She was so hot too. She did that battle rap show. And I did meet her.

[Harry]

Whoa.

[Ron]

And. But she has crippling social anxiety. So even if you had met her, I feel like she. She maybe wouldn't have been that interesting because she. Yeah, she's so damn nervous. Poor.

[Francis]

When we were in, like, I remember being young, like, the big thing was people would lie about, like, I remember we had, like, some girl said that her dad was the pitcher from the Red Sox. The Japanese. What was it? Daisuke.

[Ron]

Yeah. She said her dad.

[Francis]

Everyone. Everyone believes.

[Ron]

Was she Japanese?

[Francis]

No. Not at all. No. And we all were like, that's crazy. Really.

[Harry]

I can see it.

[Ron]

Whoa. Daisuke. I remember when Dice KK on the scene, they're like, he has a pitch, no one else.

[Francis]

Yeah. Yeah. Daisuke was a beast.

[Harry]

Yeah.

[Ron]

Yeah.

[Francis]

He was awesome.

[Ron]

Well, so how did. Did you guys have to call her out or like, how'd you find out that she wasn't.

[Francis]

I think I asked my dad, like, now, dude, my dad would also like. My dad one time told me when I was in second grade, he told me that he was like, you know, Friday the 13th is a true story. And I was like, really? And he's like, yeah, it happened like, a couple miles away from us. And I went to school and I told everybody and they were all like, no, it's not. And I got home and my dad was like, oh, yeah, I was kidding. And I was like, well, I'm not. I don't interpret jokes. I'm not at that age yet.

[Ron]

I can't tell what's real and false just based off you saying that is. And I like, question, like, how do you not raise liars? Because now I'm raising kids and I'm like, I don't want them to feel like they have to, like, lie about. Like, they don't have to lie to kick it, Chunk. And we look that up on AI. How do you not raise liars? How do you raise your kids not to lie?

[Harry]

Well, I have a thought. What do you think before AI tells us?

[Ron]

Yes. Yes. Yes.

[Francis]

I doesn't have an answer for this

[Harry]

because I remember very well being at Willie Hart's house. And we were playing and it was snowy, and it was me, Willie Hart and Spencer Libby. And we. They had this, like. Beneath their porch was a. I guess it's called a lattice. You know, like that cross thatchwork wood thing.

[Ron]

Yeah.

[Harry]

That, like, went from the porch all the way down.

[Francis]

Yeah.

[Harry]

And then there was sort of a crawl space through that, but behind the lattice, it was covered by a lattice. Yeah, exactly. It's a lattice. Yeah.

[Francis]

So there was a lattice within.

[Harry]

On the right. That's exactly what it was, A lattice cap. And we were jumping off the porch into the snow below. And I think one of us, and it was probably me, fell backwards and put a hole in the lattice. Broken it, cracked it.

[Francis]

Jesus.

[Harry]

And I remember we were all like. I remember being like, okay, obviously we're gonna not say anything about that.

[Francis]

Yeah.

[Harry]

And then I remember Spencer and Willie being like, no, the best thing to do is to tell the truth. And I was like, what the fuck? What are you talking about? Where did that come from? Since when? And this was. That would have been. I would have been in. In second grade.

[Francis]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Harry]

And they were third. They were in third. And somehow they had already learned, like, the value of telling the truth.

[Francis]

I think second grade is truly peak lying ages.

[Ron]

Yeah. You're lying about everything.

[Francis]

Second Grade you're not telling. You're telling lies more than the truth, dude.

[Harry]

The next year, Willie Hart's mom passed away. And I remember being in homeroom the morning after, and I didn't know. Nobody knew, but Spencer, who was better friends with Willie than I was. That morning, he was in homeroom going, poor, poor Willie. Poor Willie. And I didn't know why, but I then was like, I want people to think that I know what's wrong with Willie. So I was also going, poor, poor Willie. And then our homeroom teacher, Cindy Sanborn, who had the best handwriting, turned to me, and she goes, that's not helping.

[Francis]

Damn.

[Harry]

And then she had to announce what had happened. And I was like, oh, that's what was wrong.

[Ron]

I thought he was broke.

[Harry]

I didn't know it was that bad.

[Francis]

Yeah, that's pretty brutal.

[Harry]

These are, like, core memories that are just flooding out of my brain right now. I'm telling the total truth. These are real names.

[Ron]

Well, yeah. You don't lie anymore. You're done lying. Why would you. Why would you fabricate that after you broke the lattice?

[Francis]

That was your last lie.

[Harry]

Broke the lattice?

[Francis]

Did you end up getting busted for the lattice? Yeah.

[Harry]

Well, I think they went up and they told Willy's parents about a dollar to replace. Yeah, I mean, I don't.

[Francis]

It's not that big of a deal.

[Harry]

I don't recall if there was, like, a thank you, boys for telling the truth. I'm sure that was hard. I don't remember if there was that or what. But I remember being mortified as we were, like, walking up and probably trying to talk them out of coming clean.

[Ron]

So what is the solution? Like, if you're the parent making. Is it. Is it like, making sure that you don't get too mad when your lattice gets broken so your kids feel comfortable enough to tell you? Or is it modeling the behavior of taking accountability to other people so your kids see that as an example of being like, yeah, I did this. And then, like, somebody else doesn't get mad at you because you're probably afraid that you were going to get in trouble. Right?

[Harry]

Sure, sure. But how are you going to model that as an adult? Because your adult accountability examples might go over the heads of your second grader.

[Ron]

Yeah.

[Harry]

Son, I just want you to know I've been evading taxes this year. I've been incorrectly filing my expenses, and I've realized that that's wrong and I need to come clean.

[Francis]

Yeah.

[Ron]

I've been speeding in the areas where there are no speeding cameras on purpose.

[Francis]

Is there anything you would like to get off your chest? Perhaps about the last lattice?

[Ron]

Now that I've modeled this for you. There's a human sized hole in the lattice.

[Harry]

I think. I think it's what you said, Rowan. I think it's that you need to. They need to get. They need to tell the truth once and have you not get mad.

[Ron]

Yeah. Which is like.

[Harry]

And have you truly hold your temper and be like, I. I promised you that I would be grateful for your honesty. And I. I am. And thank you for telling the truth. We'll figure this out together. Together.

[Ron]

Yeah. It's like, oh, I don't. Yeah. I don't care about the lattice. Even though that lattice is. Held the house together.

[Francis]

Yeah.

[Ron]

Their dad probably loved that lattice, but it was probably discontinued. It was probably like a Plexiglas, like.

[Francis]

Or like my father built that lattice.

[Ron]

Yeah. You destroyed from scratch. Yeah. Those native American lattice basket woven lattice templates. Yeah. Yeah. You don't want your. So what does it. What does AI say? Focus on making honest. He feel safe rather than fearful. Yeah.

[Harry]

There you go. That's what I said.

[Ron]

That's what Francis.

[Francis]

Interesting. Interesting.

[Ron]

That's exactly what Francis said.

[Harry]

React calmly to mistakes so they aren't afraid of consequences.

[Ron]

Yeah. Not going to do that. How the is my Vlad is broken. Get in here.

[Francis]

Who did this?

[Ron]

You have 10 seconds to tell me or you're both going down. Who's your little second grade friend? Was probably him.

[Harry]

Gigantic redheaded.

[Ron]

Call your dad. Get your dad over here now. Tell him to bring some tools. Tell him to stop at Home Depot on the way. We're rebuilding the lattice. Oh, man.

[Francis]

Getting in trouble at a friend's house was just never got old. That wasn't even. That was still sucked even when you were in like high school, Dude.

[Harry]

I remember it was always. It was always because I would like somehow accidentally hurt their younger sibling. That was always. What happen happened. Their younger sibling would want to play with us and we'd be playing on like some mini basketball hoop and I'd like back them down into the paint.

[Francis]

Yeah.

[Harry]

And turn around and dunk my nuts all over him. And all of a sudden he's screaming, Gabe Borenstein has fallen into the window and has got, you know, glass everywhere or something. He's crying, bro.

[Ron]

He was destined to do that when he was named Gabe Bornstein.

[Harry]

That's my buddies. I'm still friends with his older brother. Brother Ben. Gabe's cool. Gabe's a photographer now, I think. Videographer.

[Ron]

Yeah.

[Francis]

I can't say I'm surprised.

[Harry]

Grew into a man.

[Ron]

Yeah. Because of you. You forced him in the fires.

[Harry]

That's right.

[Ron]

The paint.

[Harry]

I forced him?

[Francis]

Yeah.

[Ron]

Yeah.

[Francis]

You backed him into being a photographer.

[Harry]

Made him grow up real quick.

[Ron]

I don't know what the rules are with yelling at other people's kids.

[Francis]

Like, oh, I think it's. You give it to them just, like, 1.5 times as hard as you would your. Your own kid.

[Ron]

And where. What. What circumstance can you do that? Like, are you saying if they're under

[Francis]

your rule roof, they're under your roof? That's your child.

[Ron]

And. But what about in. What about in public?

[Francis]

In public, I'm pulling over to yell at other people's kids.

[Ron]

Like a kid. I took my kids to the playground. In the hood. In the hood. This is important. And there's little kids running around. And, like, a kid almost smoked one of my kids with a water balloon. And. And my instinct was fixing to holler at another kid. One, he didn't hit him. And two, like, is that. That. That kid's not, like, here alone? You know what I mean? Like, do I have carte blanche to holler at this other kid if he.

[Francis]

Yeah.

[Ron]

Smokes my kid with a. Smokes My significantly younger kid with a water bottle.

[Harry]

It's a bit like being a wildlife biographer video.

[Ron]

Right.

[Harry]

Documentary Borenstein does for a living. Yeah. And not. And not interfering when, you know, you're filming this beautiful bird and a snake is coming up on it.

[Francis]

Yeah.

[Harry]

Like, oh, that's nature. I have to let that be true. What's that called? There's a policy where they. They don't interfere.

[Ron]

The Que Sera Sera policy.

[Francis]

Yes.

[Ron]

Whatever will be, will be.

[Francis]

No, I don't know. I feel like I know what you're talking about, but I don't know.

[Harry]

There's a famous video on YouTube I saw where it's like, there's a flock of penguins, and they're trapped in this sort of gully on the ice, and they can't get out, and they're all gonna die. And then the filmographers make the decision to build them a ramp out so that they can walk out. But it violated their oath.

[Ron]

I used to get the time in life, like, pictures of the year book when I was a little kid.

[Francis]

Oh, yeah, of course.

[Ron]

Most famous pictures of, like, the century or whatever. And there was one picture that, like, stuck with me, especially the caption. And it was this guy, it was probably in, like, the Philippines or some, like, South Asian island nation. And this dude it was a photographer taking a picture of, I think, a Christian guy getting caned by a mob. And like, the. The bottom line of the caption was. And then the photographer stepped in and, like, made the mob stop. But it was like an ethics question of whether this guy, like, should or should. Should have, like, done something or if he should have just. Just. And it's like, ethics, like photography ethics. A human being is dying.

[Harry]

Yeah.

[Francis]

I feel like if it's a human, the ethics kind of go out the. Out the door.

[Ron]

Yeah. Who gives a. What the. Like, Like.

[Francis]

Like, what is he. Like, would that hold up in court? Like, if that guy died and he was just standing there, just like, taking.

[Ron]

He'd be like, it would have been unethical to save that guy's life.

[Francis]

I'm not going to say what is ethics ruin the photo.

[Harry]

It's only ethical if he yells world star.

[Ron]

Well, yeah, that's true ethics.

[Harry]

Imagine watching someone get caned in Jakarta and yelling, world Star.

[Francis]

That's probably still popping out there.

[Ron]

Yeah, they're just getting world star in Jakarta. Yeah.

[Harry]

Hey, Sean, could you just quickly look up what that policy of, like, wildlife non intervention videography is what that's called?

[Francis]

I mean, I get it.

[Ron]

Like, look at this text that I just got from Sparky. The. Sparky, the. The guy that works here in the elevator shaft.

[Francis]

What'd he say?

[Ron]

Read it out loud.

[Harry]

I can't. I can't.

[Francis]

You gotta unlock no intervention rule.

[Harry]

Okay, well, I guess so.

[Francis]

Like, you could have. You could have come up with that yourself.

[Harry]

Okay, Sparky just texted around, yo, Ron, I seen ebony titties.

[Ron]

God, that works. The second elevator shaft building. There's no text. There's one text. I texted him, I'm on a plane on February 6th, and he just texted me, yo, Ron, I seen Ebony titties. Why did he tell me that?

[Francis]

Cuz you guys are boys.

[Ron]

Yeah, why did he say that like that?

[Harry]

It's just.

[Francis]

He had to get it off his chest.

[Harry]

I've been with Ron on numerous occasions when Sparky has called him.

[Francis]

Oh, yeah?

[Ron]

Yeah.

[Harry]

And usually it's because Sparky's upset that Roan hasn't done something with him.

[Ron]

Yeah, he's on my ass.

[Francis]

Yeah.

[Ron]

But he never texted me.

[Francis]

Ron owes him a verse.

[Harry]

Yeah, that's right. Well, no, Sparky owes Roan a verse. It's always Sparky, like, freestyling for Ron.

[Francis]

Yeah.

[Ron]

Yeah. Well, he never shares good news with me like that. That he's seen Ebony Titties.

[Harry]

That's pretty good.

[Ron]

I've seen Ebony titties. Yo, there's. I mean, as a guy who loves grammar,

[Harry]

somehow I know exactly what he means and when it happened.

[Ron]

Yo, Ron, wrong name. I seen. I don't think he means ebony. No possessive titties.

[Harry]

I don't. I don't think he means I have seen them before. I think he means I just saw.

[Francis]

Yeah, yeah, you just seen them.

[Ron]

This is in real time.

[Harry]

I done seen. Seen.

[Francis]

Yeah. No, this definitely just happened.

[Ron]

Yo, Ron. I seen ebony titties.

[Francis]

Yeah. 100 ebony titties.

[Harry]

Yeah, yeah.

[Ron]

I gotta text him back. Show me.

[Harry]

Oh, man.

[Ron]

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[Harry]

All right, so what else is going on?

[Ron]

Let's talk about the dinner we went to a couple nights ago.

[Harry]

Yeah, let's talk about that dinner we went to a week ago that was really cool and very, very fun. Funny because, you know, the idea was, and I think we can share this, the idea was that we were going to go film something at this really cool restaurant and we'd set it up, but it was hard to get the reservation and all that. And then we get there and they take us to our table and on our way to the table, they were like, gents, no photography or videography of any kind.

[Francis]

Were you already filming when that happened? Happened?

[Ron]

I filmed him walk into the restaurant.

[Harry]

They must have seen that.

[Francis]

They must have. They probably get it all the time.

[Harry]

Yeah.

[Ron]

I've seen videos from inside restaurants before though.

[Harry]

But not that one. Yeah, not that one. Right? You have seen from inside that one

[Francis]

should have brought the meta glasses.

[Ron]

Maybe that's what I saw it on. Because it was. It's that guy. Have you seen. Are you guys familiar with the taxi driver from New York? He. No, no. Fallon and Queen Latifah. No, the taxi driver in New York who goes to all, like, he'll go to like Teresi and like Le Bernard.

[Harry]

Yeah, I have seen that.

[Francis]

I don't think so.

[Harry]

I have seen that. And I saw, I saw the one where he went to the 86. But like, did he film inside the restaurant?

[Ron]

He sat at Hemingway's table.

[Harry]

He sat at our table.

[Francis]

You guys sat at Hemingway's table.

[Harry]

We sat at Hemingway's table. We had the best table. So long, tired restaurant.

[Francis]

Is that why it took you guys so long to get your spot, your reservation?

[Harry]

Maybe so.

[Ron]

Oh, maybe somebody was late at Hemingway's table.

[Francis]

Did you guys cause us cause of fuss? You were like, we want to sit at Hemingway's table.

[Harry]

We didn't know there was Hemingway's table until we Sat down and they told us it was Hemingway's table.

[Ron]

It surprised us. It's been.

[Francis]

Are you guys not educated on the restaurant you were going to?

[Ron]

I knew. I mean I've watched this, this taxi driver videos and he had. He's gone to Hemingway table.

[Francis]

So you knew about the Hemingway stuff,

[Harry]

but Francis, I didn't know about the Hemingway's table. And ironically while we were getting our pre dinner drink, we talked about Hemingway's bar at the Ritz in Paris where both of us have had cocktails.

[Francis]

Really?

[Ron]

Yes. It was a very Hemingway.

[Francis]

I'm gonna bet Hemingway hasn't been to either of those places.

[Harry]

No, Hemingway's definitely been to the Hemingway bar in Paris. He was there every night.

[Francis]

Hemingway's got a table at every bar in New York City. Just like in Chicago. Al Capone's got a bar, a seat in every. Capone used to sit here. You know that really Holy. Yeah. I went to a bar in Chicago when I went to school there and I sat at Al Capone's table and while I was there I was like, I bet Al Capone has never even heard of this place.

[Ron]

Yeah, he, he can't have been to the 86 because it's eight months old. And they explained, they explained it to us.

[Harry]

They said something about how like zoning restrictions and stuff and that in that it's a historically prot. Protected area or something like that, so you can't change certain aspects of buildings or build up. And that before it was the 86, it was the. Some other restaurant that he went to in the 1920s.

[Francis]

Interesting.

[Ron]

And it's Hemingway stable.

[Francis]

What if you like what, what like if say restaurants do make up stuff like that. I'm sure someone has at some point. What is like a. What would be the best one? Like you think Hemingway is the best one to be like, this is Hemingway.

[Harry]

No, they, I've heard it. They were like, by the way, Jeffrey Epstein used to say Hemingway broke lattice outside.

[Francis]

Yeah.

[Harry]

Many years ago.

[Francis]

Everybody got drunk and fell into the lattice.

[Ron]

You can excuse this restaurant for lying because they're not in third grade yet. Like it's like a perfect age.

[Harry]

Spot on.

[Ron]

As a eight month old.

[Harry]

Perfect.

[Ron]

There's a steakhouse in Milwaukee. It's like called five o' clock Steakhouse. Your dad probably goes there all the time.

[Harry]

Probably.

[Ron]

Yeah. And it's like this is Jeffrey Dmer's favorite steakhouse.

[Francis]

Really?

[Ron]

Like Jeffrey Dahmer used to come here.

[Francis]

Damn, I would not want to go to a steakhouse that Jeffrey Dahmer loves.

[Ron]

Liked it. It is awesome.

[Francis]

It is, like, uniquely, notoriously, also enjoyed human flesh.

[Harry]

So what, you think he doesn't have good taste and meat?

[Ron]

He probably knows exactly what he wants.

[Francis]

I mean, he would.

[Ron]

He's like, could you cook this to 98 point?

[Francis]

Bring his own meat? Yeah, yeah. 96.

[Ron]

Could you cook this to the exact temperature of a just warm, resting human body?

[Francis]

It's just a raw, warm, warm.

[Ron]

Yeah, but it's a six steakhouse. But, yeah, there has to be. I went to a restaurant in Cuba where Barack Obama supposedly went to.

[Francis]

But that's like, I don't know. There's a lot of. In New York especially, there's a lot of restaurants that you go to where

[Ron]

Taylor Swift just went.

[Francis]

Yeah, Hemingway sat here with Taylor Swift

[Ron]

and Travis Kelsey Bourdain. A lot of. It's like, Bourdain ate at this especially, like, tiny, shitty restaurants. Restaurants. Bourdain came here doesn't do it for you. You're a Bourdain hater.

[Francis]

I'm not a Bourdain hater by any means. I'm just not necessarily a Bourdain truther.

[Ron]

Robert at Louise is a board. It was a Bourdain haunt out in Gay Perry.

[Harry]

That's where you told me to go, right?

[Ron]

Yeah.

[Harry]

I did not make it there, unfortunately.

[Francis]

Like, if you were going to a restaurant and there was one, there was a. Like. And you. You got there and they were like, this is this person's table. You guys could sit here. It's gonna be another, though. Like, who would that have to be for you to be like, all right, we'll take that seat.

[Harry]

That's a good question. First of all, nobody. I don't care enough about sort of sharing a seat.

[Ron]

But what if it was like, Martin Luther King. Yeah, if it was Martin Luther King's table. No.

[Francis]

Nah. What if it was like, Socrates used to sit here and write, well, what's the point?

[Harry]

I mean, the reason I'm at the restaurant is to eat. So unless the view were noticeably better or something like that, it's the nicest

[Francis]

table at the restaurant.

[Harry]

Okay, then I want it for that reason, not because LeBron once sat there.

[Francis]

Hitler sat at this table.

[Harry]

Now we're talking.

[Francis]

Now we're talking. I mean, that's a. That's actually a real one. Hitler sat here.

[Ron]

They're definitely. That definitely exists.

[Francis]

Yeah. And then you're going, well, I. Obviously, I don't like Hitler, but it's kind of interesting restaurants where Hitler ate.

[Ron]

Restaurant tablers tables. Hitler Sat at Hitler's favorite restaurant was Austria. Bavaria, renamed Austria Italiano. Wow.

[Francis]

So you go there, you go to Munich and you go to Austerity. Austeria. Austeria Italiana.

[Ron]

I mean, that's crazy. That's a crazy switch up. They went from Bavarian food to fucking Italian food food.

[Francis]

Cuz Hitler hated Italian food.

[Ron]

That's nuts.

[Francis]

It made him bloated.

[Ron]

Well, he probably liked it so much more when it was local German food, when it was nice Bavarian food. He's probably disgusted by the.

[Francis]

But I guess you definitely don't want to wait an hour to sit at Hitler's table. That's kind of a bad look.

[Harry]

Yeah, we've got plenty of open seats. I wanted that one. A hero of mine, as the story goes, was frequenter.

[Ron]

There's no extra fee. Wow. There's no wait to sit at tables at table number eight in the Bismarck Room at Austeria Italia.

[Francis]

Like they gotta let you know at least like. Well, that's another thing. What if you're sitting there and then people are walking by and they're going, wow, you guys sat at Hitler's table.

[Ron]

It's like. Or what if. Yeah, what if you're a Jew and you get seated at Hitler's table and you're just there. It's like when a Muslim guy accidentally eats some pork.

[Francis]

Yeah.

[Ron]

What the. You should have told me before I had my gelta fish and matzah.

[Harry]

I think if I were Jewish, I would want to sit at that. In that seat, get another perspective. Piss him off and re. Re regain it.

[Francis]

Oh, I see, I see.

[Harry]

Yeah. Just kind of taking it back.

[Francis]

Yeah. Sitting it.

[Harry]

Redefine it. You know, maybe say like you. You lost Adolf.

[Francis]

Yeah, I. I think that's a good one.

[Ron]

Go through every. Everywhere that he ever. Ever. Every bunker he ever killed himself in and dancing it.

[Harry]

Yeah.

[Francis]

So I. I would say I probably don't have one. Francis, yours is. You said Hitler was yours. That's what you would wait for.

[Ron]

You said Socrates And I said LeBron.

[Francis]

You said LeBron.

[Ron]

Yeah. Anywhere LeBron sat at.

[Francis]

I mean, that can't be that hard to find.

[Ron]

He's probably going to like RPM Steakhouse. Yeah, he's at Steak 48.

[Francis]

I'm sure you've been to a restaurant that LeBron has been to. To.

[Ron]

Really?

[Harry]

Yeah. I bet you think he's probably been to Fort Charles and like those types

[Ron]

of things he can fold into a booth at. For Charles Carbone. Carbone. There you go, Carbone. Dirty French and Sedells. Wow. Shout out to Mario Carbone. My absolute brother.

[Francis]

Love that.

[Ron]

Buckets and Akron. Yeah, I used to go to Buckets and Akron all the time. Time with LeBron House 3:30 at Buckets

[Francis]

in Akan House, 3:30.

[Ron]

I can't even imagine LeBron eating, like, a meal. I don't know what's wrong with me, but I, I, I can.

[Harry]

He's a big wine guy.

[Francis]

Yeah. He sits on his, he sits on the, in the driveway with his, with his, his portable table.

[Harry]

Did you ever, you ever seen that

[Francis]

photo of him eating? He's, like, had. Eating dinner outside tonight, and it's just him in the driveway with, like, a plastic table.

[Ron]

He's so over hated all the videos of him that came out last week where he's, like, kneeling on a medicine ball doing curls.

[Francis]

Oh, yeah.

[Ron]

Everybody's like, lebron, I could do that. Like, you're performative and washed.

[Francis]

Well, you like him because you think you guys are getting him.

[Ron]

No, I don't think we're getting him.

[Francis]

No chance.

[Harry]

Do you think he's going to Golden State or.

[Ron]

He's going back to the Cavs.

[Francis]

He's going back to Boston.

[Ron]

Shut up, bro.

[Harry]

You think he's going to Boston?

[Ron]

Austin, you're high and dumb, bro.

[Francis]

Play with Tatum.

[Ron]

You're high as.

[Francis]

No, first of all, no, I'm not. And I'm smart.

[Ron]

Did you grab some of those seltzers for the.

[Francis]

No, I didn't.

[Harry]

Harry's taking a pound of weed out to Wyoming.

[Francis]

No, you can buy a pound of weed just online. Like, isn't that insane? Insane. Like, there's people that are, like, in prison for their life for. For weed, and you can just go on, like, UberEats on your phone and just like, yeah, I want a pound.

[Ron]

Do they. What websites? Where can you buy a pound of weed?

[Francis]

Any of, like, the. Online. Like, if you look up any of the dispensaries, they all sell this. Like, it's like $375 for, like seven. Or maybe it's not a pound. I don't know what a pound is. I think it's 70 grams.

[Ron]

That's more than a pound.

[Francis]

That's more.

[Ron]

No, no, no, it's not. An ounce is 20, 28. So it's more than an ounce.

[Francis]

And an ounce is three. It's four ounces, I think, is a pound.

[Ron]

No, that is not true. Four ounces is a pound.

[Harry]

No, 16 ounces standard.

[Francis]

Sixteen ounces is a pound.

[Harry]

Yeah, I'm pretty sure.

[Francis]

Why would you say it was 4 you4 ounces?

[Ron]

A pound isn't even like weed math. Like, that's like, like 85 ounces in a pound, please.

[Francis]

So, okay, I was wrong.

[Harry]

That's what I just.

[Ron]

16 every. Yeah, Sean knows it's obviously 16.

[Francis]

Why are we even googling it?

[Ron]

Let's see what AI says about this. How many ounces are in a pound via AI?

[Francis]

There's. So you can buy 75 grams of weed online and have someone door dash it to your apartment.

[Ron]

That's crazy.

[Francis]

And then go. Okay, thanks.

[Ron]

That's.

[Francis]

I mean, my ID. No, no. Okay, thank you. And now you have 75 grams of weed at home.

[Harry]

How many. How many grams do you have?

[Francis]

None.

[Ron]

No one's.

[Francis]

I'm only on oil these days.

[Harry]

We're still playing this game. Playing that game.

[Francis]

Just wax and oil for me.

[Harry]

Why are you.

[Francis]

I'm just gonna bring it out there. I'm just bringing my Puffco out there.

[Harry]

Isn't that a mistake? Isn't that a state where they would get on you?

[Francis]

You would go to prison for life in Montana.

[Ron]

Montana's the same as. They'll cane you.

[Francis]

I'm gonna. I'm gonna be making. Doing the podcast via phone like Bobby Shmurda.

[Harry]

So you're the week. You gotta bring the weed and you gotta get the hotels for the group.

[Francis]

None of my friends, they don't smoke weed.

[Ron]

So the ounce is for you.

[Francis]

I'm not bringing an ounce of wheat.

[Ron]

Oh, a pound. I'm sorry, A pound. Four ounces.

[Francis]

Four ounces.

[Ron]

Are you bringing those drinks though?

[Francis]

No.

[Harry]

Not one of your friends smokes weed.

[Francis]

Nate does.

[Harry]

Nate.

[Francis]

But he's not going.

[Harry]

Damn.

[Ron]

And what about your boy from kindergarten? Jack?

[Francis]

Jack.

[Harry]

Jack Herrera.

[Francis]

I don't think he smokes anymore.

[Ron]

Jack from the Garden.

[Francis]

Because we were gonna. When we. Before we went and Francis went and bought that pre roll before we went to the Shane show and Jack was like, I'm. I'm good. I don't want to have a panic attack in. In the Garden. Garden.

[Ron]

Oh, I forgot. We puffed.

[Harry]

Yeah, we did.

[Ron]

Are you surprised that we didn't puff before dinner last night?

[Harry]

No, I thought we would need to keep our wits about us because we were gonna film.

[Ron]

Oh, yeah, yeah. You just look fried.

[Harry]

Yeah, exactly.

[Ron]

Before that Chicago dinner. I don't remember that nice ass dinner we went to in Chicago.

[Francis]

Oh yeah, yeah, we did do that. Yeah, you brought your puffco. We did some dabs before. Yeah, I think. I don't know why. Do you see those videos that people of them like hitting their like little Puffco Thing, Their rig. It's like the little tiny, like, volcano thing. And it's like they, like, put the wax into it, and they're like, little morning. Little morning ritual before the hike. And it's like, bro, you may as well have just, like. That's like. You may as well have just shot up heroin before going on that.

[Ron]

I have one of those. One of my friends who, like, swears by one of those who travels with it.

[Francis]

Yeah.

[Ron]

Like, we went hiking, and they bring

[Francis]

it on the hike in Muir Woods.

[Harry]

Yeah.

[Ron]

In, like, among the redwoods in California. California. And he was just pulling out on, like, a bluff, like, pulled out the Puffco.

[Francis]

Did you use it?

[Ron]

I mean, so I. He got it for me. He was like, you need one of these? And I, like. I think I did it. You. You did it?

[Harry]

You gave it to me to try and not on the way.

[Ron]

I was on the weed. Yeah.

[Francis]

And how was it?

[Harry]

It didn't nuke me or anything, like. No, no.

[Francis]

I always assumed that it was like.

[Harry]

I think that's a misconception. I think if you do the thing where it's. It's. If you do the thing where they. They really use the nail and, like, the. Yeah, that maybe. But on this, it wasn't.

[Francis]

Not that intense.

[Harry]

Wasn't crazy.

[Francis]

I was always under the assumption that that is, like. Like, I've never done any of that stuff, so I was always under the assumption that that was, like, your brain up.

[Harry]

Yeah. I still can't believe that the bottom of your ass cheeks chaps while you

[Francis]

walk chafes after miles on. Miles on miles. And also, it has to be hot as.

[Harry]

Okay, well, that is from the underwear, though, now that we think about it.

[Ron]

Probably you just have to just, like, wear. Wear boxer briefs for a little bit and, like, it'll go. Like, the discomfort will go away, and you'll be used to it.

[Francis]

Yeah, but I'm not. I'd rather just be comfortable now.

[Ron]

Yeah, but, like, getting through that, like, you're not comfortable if your ass cheeks are chafing every time you walk.

[Francis]

I mean, the last time this happened was, like, six years ago ago.

[Ron]

This is like wearing a bib, though. This is like wearing Velcro shoes.

[Francis]

Nothing wrong with that.

[Ron]

This is childish behavior.

[Francis]

I would still wear Velcro shoes if they found the right pair. You don't go bowling. You don't ball.

[Ron]

It's like a wedding ring. You just get. You get used to wearing it.

[Francis]

A traditional setup. Oh, it. A Puffco or electric smart rig and a traditional glass Dab rig comes down to convenience versus raw performance.

[Ron]

What do they mean by raw?

[Harry]

A traditional setup offers massive hard hitting clouds and intense effects, while puffco provides unmatched flavor, precision, temperature control and portability. I think the Puffco thing is much more mellow.

[Francis]

Got it, got it.

[Harry]

But if you want massive vapor clouds, you want a rig.

[Ron]

I must still have that thing at home. I wonder if I should dust it off.

[Harry]

That thing was cool. I would like to. I'd like another run.

[Francis]

I can't believe Francis is a puffco guy after all that.

[Harry]

Like another mar.

[Francis]

Back pocket. Oh, yeah. I keep it on me all the time.

[Ron]

Having it in your pocket. Like the fact that this guy pulled it out that deep into a hike. It's like, where was it the whole hike? Where did you have it on you?

[Francis]

But that's how they use them. Like, all the videos I see are people, like out on a hike and they're like, hitting it or like going on a jog.

[Ron]

Yeah. I saw a bro using an old fashioned batty. Do you remember what a baddie is? It's like a wooden thing where. And you have something that looks like a cigarette and you kind of jam it down into. Oh, yeah, around like. Oh, yeah. One hitter. Yeah, a dude hitting one of those on the side of the road. It was a. I think it's like a batty. You typed in batty, weed, pen and something. Yeah, it's like a pink thing that says. It's not even a weed. It's not like a pen. It's like a batty. One hitter.

[Harry]

Come on, Sean, figure it out.

[Ron]

It's that thing on the right. The.

[Francis]

The cigarette.

[Ron]

Yeah, that thing. Yeah.

[Harry]

Dude, I had one of these for a little while and all I did was ma. All the weed in the dugout thing down into the bottom to the point where you couldn't get any.

[Ron]

Yeah, yeah.

[Francis]

That's just the bottom now.

[Harry]

It just became a flat layer. I tamped it so hard.

[Ron]

Yeah, these suck. These are. These are terrible. I mean, they were probably incredible in the 70s, but I don't even think you can get high from them.

[Francis]

Great invention for like. Yeah, the times.

[Ron]

For the times.

[Harry]

Harry, you gotta go.

[Francis]

What time is it?

[Harry]

Noon.

[Francis]

Oh, yeah, I do gotta go.

[Harry]

Okay.

[Francis]

All right, thank you guys for listening. Goodbye.