Chicken of the Tree | Son of a Boy Dad #355

Summary

Son of a Boy Dad #355: "Chicken of the Tree"

Date: November 26, 2025
Hosts: Rone, Harry (Lil Sasquatch), Francis
Produced by: Barstool Sports

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Main Theme and Purpose

This episode finds the “Son of a Boy Dad” trio back together for a remote recording, with conversations spanning wildlife chaos in Florida, “manly” education for the recently college-dropped Lil Sasquatch, eating wild game, egregious rat encounters, gaming culture (including professional streaming and team management), and airline status drama. The tone is irreverent, laid-back, and full of friendly ribbing and offbeat storytelling.

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Episode Highlights and Key Discussion Points

1. Wildlife Chaos & Floridian Adventures (01:36 – 07:24)

• Francis Updates from Florida: Francis describes his family's Florida bungalow after hurricanes and their battle with rampant mating iguanas.

  • The local "iguana guy" nonchalantly says:

    “Yeah, I got three of them over there already… I shoot them.”
    (Francis, 02:28)

  • Florida’s wild boar problem at a golf course leads to grisly stories of caged boar executions and a gourmet boar specialist who “cleans up their diet” with acorns before killing them for improved taste.

• Wild Game as Cuisine:

  • Ron notes:

    “There’s some island nations that enjoy iguana on a spit…Chicken of the tree.”
    (Ron, 07:19)

  • Discussion morphs into the oddity of referring to iguanas as “chicken of the tree” and what animals most deserve those titles.

Notable Quote:

“Florida is ruthless.”
(Francis, 03:40)

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2. Sick Days, Kids, and Immunity (08:52 – 12:24)

• Roan’s Viral Ordeal:

  • Roan recounts a devastating 24-hour illness he and his family endured:

    “It was probably the hardest day I’ve had in ten years.”
    (Ron, 10:01)

• On Parental Sickness:

  • Jokes about how children are “smallpox blankets of sickness” and predictions that as a parent, you’re doomed to be sick forever.
  • Discussion of flu shots:

    “No, I believe in them so strongly and I never get them… That’s why I know they work.”
    (Harry, 11:47)

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3. Rat Encounters & Urban Plagues (16:12 – 19:31)

• Rats in Chicago vs. NYC:
  • Rone compares Chicago’s bold, “doughy” rats to more evasive New York rats, describing a rat riding on his foot like “trying to get onto a train in India.”
  • Harry commiserates, sharing his own close encounters:

    “The weight is shocking. It’s ten pounds easily… weight of a cat.”
    (Harry, 17:07)

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4. College Stories, Mouse Hunts, and Video Game Prodigies (18:33 – 24:41)

• DIY Mouse Blowgun:

  • Francis' college roommate engineered a blow dart gun to hunt dorm mice, channeling “tribesman” skills.

• Professional Gamer Insight:

  • Discussing Francis playing golf with Daltoosh, a famed Apex Legends streamer:

    “He played 17 hours a day for three months. By the next rankings, he was number one in the world.”
    (Francis, 23:23)

• Gaming Skill vs. Dedication:

  • Reflects on the athleticism required for elite gaming, the difference between pros and enthusiasts, and the streaming economy.
  • Francis teases Harry:

    “I’ll tell you what I learned, Harry. I don’t think you have it.”
    (Francis, 20:17)

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5. Esports Teams, Streaming, and the Barstool ‘Bush’ Team (24:41 – 40:14)

• Apex, Call of Duty, and Streaming Culture:

  • Nuances that make shooter games popular—game reputation, fun, and the allure of skins. (“If you play as the chicken from Family Guy!” – Ron, 25:01)
  • Discusses Bush team’s participation in major Call of Duty tournaments, challenges convincing players to buy into the “content side” (streaming povs), and speculation about team loyalty versus business priorities.
  • “You guys are the Savannah Bananas of esports.” (Francis, 39:02)

• Streaming as a Career:

  • The potential for funny, non-pro streamers to gain an audience:

    “You just wear a wig and sunglasses or something, you’re good to go.”
    (Ron, 30:57)

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6. Grift Culture & Motivation Gurus (28:27 – 44:56)

• Grant Cardone, 10x, and Red Pill Conferences:

  • The crew lampoons self-help and hustle culture, dissecting grifter personalities and their devoted, usually already-fit, followers.
  • Francis:

    “He’s like a supreme apex predator grifter…”
    (Ron, 28:38)

• Motivational Speaker Parody:

  • Debates authenticity and “bottoming out” as motivational narrative.
  • Francis, wryly:

    “I guess the way for me to go forward is to start taking serious drugs.”
    (Francis, 46:44)

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7. Firefighter Fandom, Childhood Heroes, and First Responder Adulation (47:32 – 51:18)

• Roan’s Love Affair with Firefighters:

  • Ron admits to “slobbing on the knob” of NYC firefighters, mimicking them, and idolizing the profession.
  • Francis quips:

    “I’m the same way with black people. And God help me if I ever meet a black firefighter.”
    (Francis, 47:58)

• Hardcore Firefighting Life:

  • Contrasting city firefighters (“they can win!”) with the uphill, “never win” grind of forest firefighters.

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8. Rats, Disney World Loopholes, and Childhood Autograph Hounding (68:41 – 75:11)

• Disney Fast Pass 'Scam':
  • Reports that families used to rent out special needs kids so tourists could skip lines at Disney, described as a "win-win-win" and “the most victimless crime that’s ever existed.”
• Autograph-Seeking as a Kid:
  • Francis story:

    “I have like 11 autographs on an authentic LeBron James jersey from a Cavs team that meant nothing. And the only one missing is the guy whose jersey it is.”
    (Francis, 72:57)

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9. Airline Wars: Delta vs. United (93:13 – 103:34)

• Status Match, Fleet Battles, and Lounge Hot Takes:
  • Detailed, passionate, and comedic debate over the ins and outs of Delta’s diamond status, United’s Premier 1K, route map differences, and lounge amenities.
  • “All I know is, at United, they have a much better fleet.” (Harry, 95:41)
  • “$28,000 to hit diamond!” (Ron, 97:45)
  • “You can’t even get a diamond for less…” (Francis, 101:45)

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10. Miscellaneous & Closing Bits (105:00+)

• Tech, AI, and the End of Ball:
  • “AI will either go away and always just be a search engine or the world will end for real.” (Harry, 86:51)
• Furniture Woes and Brunch Anxiety:
  • Francis shares stories from brunch with Jeff D. Lowe and food-related FOMO.
• Personal Anecdotes:
  • Dealing with mice, vertical monitor setups, streaming ergonomics, and friend Bo's disciplined military mannerisms.
• Family Interruptions & Outro:
  • As Francis’ dad beckons him for holiday plans, the group wraps up, joking about running overtime and the “dad energy” of watching TV in computer chairs.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• Iguana Guy:

  “I shoot them.” (Francis, 02:28)

• On Chicago Rats:

  “It’s like dropping gak on your boot.” (Ron, 18:10)

• On Streaming:

  “You get off and you feel sick…like I’m an OnlyFans girl.” (Harry, 31:27)

• On Motivation Gurus:

  “He’s like a supreme apex predator grifter…” (Ron, 28:38)

• Video Game Athlete Reality:

  “His story is pretty cool actually…A little bit like being an athlete…” (Francis, 20:57)

• Firefighter Admiration:

  “I just want to surround myself with firefighters and cops.” (Ron, 47:39)

• Parental Sickness:

  “Kids can bring untold sickness, smallpox blankets of sickness…” (Ron, 10:21)

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• Wildlife & Florida Stories: 01:36 – 07:24
• Rone’s Sickness & Family Health Talk: 08:52 – 12:24
• Chicago Rat Saga: 16:12 – 19:31
• Gaming & Streaming, Esports Insight: 20:01 – 40:14
• Motivational Speakers & Hustle Culture: 28:27 – 44:56
• Firefighter Fandom: 47:32 – 51:18
• Disney Special Needs ‘Hack’: 68:41 – 69:57
• Francis’ LeBron Autograph Quest: 70:00 – 74:16
• Airline Status Wars: 93:13 – 103:34

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This episode encapsulates the distinctive chaos of “Son of a Boy Dad”—offbeat life vignettes, gaming culture, city life gripes, and a stream of bits that range from biting to heartfelt. There’s no overarching “lesson”—just an ongoing, comedic “education” in being a guy, with equal parts absurdity and authenticity.

Transcript

[Ron]

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[Francis]

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[Francis]

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[Harry]

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[Francis]

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[Francis]

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[Harry]

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[Ron]

Yes, sir.

[Harry]

All righty. Welcome back to the Son of a Boy dad podcast. Today it is November 25th. It is 1:15pm we are here. Remote Roan, you are in HQ3. I'm an HQ4. Francis, you are an HQ6.

[Francis]

I have something really cool to tell you guys, which is that I'm at my family's house in Florida, the one that got destroyed. And it's a bungalow style house. So there's like sort of small, tiny, different buildings, I guess you'd say. And the one bedroom over here is the only thing that didn't get destroyed. So my parents and I are, I'm like living in the kitchen and they're living in the bedroom for the week, which is not ideal. But currently there is a rampant iguana problem. They've run riot. They're mating like rabbits and there are iguanas everywhere. And the iguana control guy just showed up and I saw him walking around out here. I can like watch. And I didn't know, I thought maybe there's like three guys that are supposed to come today. The couch delivery guy and the fucking refrigerator repairman. And I thought this guy wasn't sure where he was supposed to go. So I went out to say hi and he was like. I was like, hey, are you looking for the. Where the couch goes? And he goes, no, I'm looking For iguanas. And I go, oh, you're the iguana guy. He goes, yeah, I got three of them over there already. There's so many. And I go, oh, cool. How do you get. How do you catch him? And he goes, I shoot them.

[Harry]

Oh, with like a real gun?

[Francis]

No, with a.22 pellet gun.

[Ron]

A varminter.

[Francis]

He's just. He's just roping iguanas right now.

[Harry]

That's crazy. So did you see the. Did he have the piece on him?

[Francis]

No, I didn't see it. I didn't see it.

[Harry]

Talked.

[Francis]

He's got a concealed carrier.

[Ron]

What if he was about to be like, francis, I'd like you to shoot some iguanas. But I saw your shooting video. The ammo is precious.

[Francis]

I think what our next trip is. Iguana. The iguana hunt. You guys got to come down here so we can fucking catch some iguanas and kill him.

[Harry]

Yeah, I'm down, I'm down.

[Ron]

There's no catch.

[Francis]

Florida is ruthless. I played golf yesterday and we. They, they've had a wild boar problem at the golf course. And by the way, wild boar take shits that look very human. I mean, there were logs of human looking feces all over the golf course. And we were playing at twilight and they told us that off of the fourth hole that there were two or three cages that had boar caught in them. And as we were finishing on the ninth hole, I heard a massive gunshot ring out. And then two more and they shot them in the cages.

[Harry]

Oh, what? So brutal.

[Francis]

I know.

[Harry]

Well, I know wild boar, like, they just, they just light those things up. But getting it in the cage first seems a little insane.

[Francis]

Well, I don't really know. What are you supposed to do? Let it out of the cage and then shoot it?

[Ron]

Worst shot on a golf course, that bore getting executed in Florida or Frankie blading it on 18.

[Francis]

You could, you could let them out right in front of Frankie with his wedge in his hand. Dude. They were also saying, they were also saying that sometimes they have a guy who's like an animal expert who will come to deal with this, and he likes the taste of wild boar so much, but he doesn't like the way that they taste when they've been just like running around the golf course. So if he catches them in a cage, he'll bring them home and feed them like acorns and walnuts for a couple of weeks in order to change the taste of the meat. And then he'll kill them.

[Ron]

Oh, my God.

[Francis]

Like They're Hansel and Gretel.

[Ron]

He plugs them up for the winter.

[Harry]

That feels illegal. That's correct. It's like if I just caught, like a pigeon outside and I was like, I'm gonna eat this thing in a year.

[Francis]

I'm gonna eat this thing for Thanksgiving next year. No one's gonna know the difference.

[Ron]

The fatty pigeon.

[Harry]

Just hold it in a cage and just plump it up until it's not even recognizable.

[Francis]

I've never seen a gray and teal turkey before, Harry.

[Ron]

You know what it speaks to, though? You know what it speaks to is the pesticides on the golf course. They probably terrible when they're all chemicaled up like that. They're probably tasting like a fresh pack of Doritos or something like that. Just like Lucky Charms. Just a bunch of. Roundup.

[Harry]

Yeah, I was gonna say Roundup. Just oozing out of their sweat glands.

[Ron]

Moist turkey this year, Harry.

[Harry]

It's got a good tang to it.

[Ron]

It's all Roundup. Moist pig that you have there. Good God. That's disgusting. But a lot of people. I mean, there's invasive species out here. And I think that there's some island nations that enjoy an iguana on a spit that they like to skewer the iguana and crisp them.

[Harry]

I didn't know that anyone ate iguana.

[Francis]

I didn't know. I didn't.

[Harry]

I didn't even know that people ate wild boar.

[Ron]

Of course. Ate boar.

[Francis]

I knew about boar, but I didn't know about iguana.

[Harry]

Yeah, well. You see any gators out there?

[Francis]

Yeah, I saw a bunch of gators. I always thought that boar was probably super delicious because I used to read the asterisks and Obelix comics. And Obelix, who was obese, loved the taste of wild boar more than anything. And the way they drew them in those comics was always very hunger inducing.

[Harry]

Yeah, it definitely is a fat man's. It's the fat man's pig. The hungry man's pig.

[Ron]

Yeah, they just said that the iguana is the chicken of the tree.

[Francis]

Really?

[Ron]

Never knew, dude.

[Harry]

They. I mean, they're saying that about every. Everything is chicken. Back to chicken.

[Francis]

How many things live in a tree? Do you really need to specify that one is the chicken of the tree and one is the sea bream of the tree.

[Harry]

Also, wouldn't the chicken of the tree be a bird?

[Ron]

A bird? Yeah. Why would it be another bird? Chickens are probably closer to being the chicken of the tree.

[Harry]

Yeah, just a chicken without clipped wings. You ever see a chicken take off?

[Ron]

Sad.

[Harry]

Have you ever seen it?

[Ron]

Yeah, it's sad. It's like they're. I mean they barely can get in the air. They just like. It's like they're someone, an astronaut jumping on the moon. Like they'll get like a little extra air. But like.

[Harry]

Yeah, I was. That's actually a dead on comparison. I was going to say it's like, like jumping in Halo was like they kind of just slowly rise up and fall down.

[Francis]

I've never seen them take off, but I've seen them jump up into the coupe. Yeah, and the way they jump is the way that like I used to have to jump to do box jumps when I was slightly injured. Yeah, like they don't bend their legs at all. It's just a pure hop that uses mostly the momentum from the arm swing to get you up there.

[Ron]

But yeah, it's like a reverse cliff dive. They're just like flapping their arms up, right? Idiots. Delicious idiots.

[Harry]

Ron, how, how are you feeling? You last, last I heard you were the sickest you've ever been. You're looking fine today.

[Ron]

I was so sick. It was insane how fast it happened. I woke up in the middle of the night like Sunday into Monday night and I was like, I should have stretched more. Like my every one of my muscles hurt. I wonder why this is happening. And then I woke up that morning and it was the most painful. I mean I had to feed the kids obviously throughout the night, but it was the most painful my body had ever felt. I was holding my like probably 10 pound baby and I felt like my knees were about to give out from, from the weight of it. I walked my dog and I like grunted into falling asleep and I didn't wake up until the middle of the day where I woke up by myself. I myself to awake. I like trusted a fart and I, I knew that. And that was all I moved that day. Sprinted over like check my phone, this was yesterday. Saw a text of from Francis being like hello, does anyone want to answer? And I was like, oh my God. I was just drenched in sweat, my muscles aching.

[Harry]

I was like, I was shocked.

[Ron]

Probably not going to be able to record today. I had it. My wife had it 10 times worse than me and my fucking kids had it. And so I was just like trying to put on for the family. It was probably the hardest day that I've had in like in like 10 years.

[Harry]

Today is it just like. It's like a new lease on life.

[Ron]

I'm like the smallest things. I'm just like skipping like throwing open the blinds, being like, wow, my triceps are loose. Everything about my life is, is I took it all for granted. So it was a nice reset in that. In that manner for sure. But I always heard tale that kids can bring untold sickness, smallpox, blankets of sickness and I always thought I was like, oh, it's not going to happen to me. It's destroyed me yesterday.

[Harry]

You're probably just going to be sick for the rest of your life. Yeah, like I think that's just how it goes. You just got so many bodies living in your house now and someone's bringing in something.

[Francis]

Yeah. Not only that, but once you put them in school they get everything from all the other kids and you have twice the likelihood of catching it.

[Ron]

Yeah. Why is that? Why do I have more or. Oh, I have more kids. But. But it's like. It also felt like it was hitting me worse than it was hitting them. It's like they have tiny immune systems and I was like grunting as I snail crawled across the floor. Like I don't know how they even.

[Harry]

What was it the flu? Was it just the flu?

[Ron]

I have no idea. I. It was too quick to even like go to a doctor about it. I felt fine on Sunday and I felt fine on Tuesday and Monday was the worst day of my life.

[Harry]

Yeah, that's weird. Just a power. Just a quick 24 hour power sickness.

[Ron]

Maybe neuro. Neurovirus.

[Francis]

But noro. Yeah, that's what I was thinking might.

[Harry]

Be that I got. I know a couple people that have the flu right now, but maybe they've got the neuro as well.

[Francis]

Do you guys believe in flu shots?

[Harry]

Hell no. No, I actually believe in them so strongly and I never get them and I get the flu every year and that's why I know they work. Like I used to get the flu shot every year growing up as like a kid. Like my mom would make me go get it and then since I've moved to New York I haven't got it once and I've got the flu every year. Like I'm due once a year now for the. I used to never get sick.

[Ron]

Just never learning from your mistake. Continuing to make the mistake is so funny.

[Harry]

It's strictly just out of. I just don't want to go to CVS and fucking sit down in that chair. Or my doctor. I don't want to go to my doctor. I'd rather go to CVS than go to my doctor.

[Ron]

I stopped taking it for like in like 2012 for a year. But I realized I stopped taking it because it was suggested to me by some bowling alley workers. And I was like, what the am I doing taking the word of bowling alley workers for anything? So I mean, I got back on it, but I haven't taken it the last couple go rounds. Are you taking listening to too much Rogan?

[Harry]

Yeah. Francis, have you. Are you on it yearly?

[Francis]

Yeah, I get it every year.

[Harry]

Yeah, you got it already?

[Francis]

Yeah. I mean you can get it at a Trader Joe's.

[Harry]

Yeah, you can get it everywhere.

[Ron]

And have you gotten sick every year? Have you been able to avoid it?

[Francis]

I don't think I've had the flu in a while. Yeah, I think that any time I've gotten nauseous, vomiting, sick, it's been food related.

[Harry]

Red meat. We know how your body works.

[Francis]

Or because I was, you know, making out with a Botswanan hooker.

[Ron]

Just making out though.

[Francis]

All I do.

[Harry]

And then throwing up after.

[Francis]

Yeah. Quick way to lose some. Some lbs.

[Harry]

Yeah, no, I got. Do you guys remember when the swine flu was around? Oh yeah, when the swine flu was around, like we had the. Of course, wild boar, most likely. We had to go to like the school auditorium, like not during school, like, but that's like where they were giving out the vaccine. And I remember being in there waiting in the line and I remember seeing they like had. There was just like these like plastic tables set up with people like giving out the shots. And I remember looking over at one of the ladies and she had like so many of them lined up and she had one of the syringes and she just like gave it a little. Just gave it a little go and it just like was like spraying like just to see if it worked. I'm like, damn, they're really just tossing the vaccine around everywhere. I've never seen that before.

[Ron]

Just a Gatorade jug of swine flu vaccine they poured on the nurse after her thousandth vaccination.

[Harry]

I've never seen someone just like testing out the syringe in public like that.

[Ron]

That's what cartoon characters do.

[Harry]

Yeah, just give a little.

[Ron]

Nurses in cartoons.

[Harry]

Yeah.

[Ron]

Yeah. I haven't gotten the flu vaccine a couple of years, but I'm giving all the vaccinations to my kids just because like I can be a retard, but I'm not going to, you know, force them to have retarded tendencies.

[Francis]

But you can't. Conversation. Was it a. Was it a tough call or were you pretty.

[Ron]

No, it wasn't. It wasn't a tough call. It was pretty much just going with, like, the thousand years of science versus the two years of podcasting. Kind of a lamp.

[Francis]

It's really good.

[Harry]

I feel like if I had kids and you have, like. Like, I'm giving them every vaccine because, like, you don't want them sick and crying and complain. Like, yeah, that's the easiest decision ever. You go, I don't want to be autistic. I don't care. You can be autistic all you want. I heard they added extra Tylenol into the flu shot this year.

[Ron]

Yeah, because it wasn't selling after all the reports about it. So they need to get their numbers up somehow. Just mixing it in like witches.

[Harry]

Yeah.

[Ron]

I was in Chicago this week for. For a pop punk show. Great town. Have you guys ever been?

[Harry]

I was there last week.

[Ron]

Yeah, gotta get out there.

[Harry]

I just missed you.

[Ron]

The. The. They have the nastiest rats in that city. They have. We went to Chinatown, and their rats are way a way different breed of. Than, like, the New York rats. New York rats will kind of avoid you. The. The Chicago. A Chicago rat ran up onto my foot. I was walking and it kind of like. It, like, jumped onto my foot. Like, it was like trying to get onto a train in India. Like, it, like, grabbed, like, ran through the door at, like, the last second to try and. And it, like, stayed there for a second until I. Girl screamed and fucking kicked it. And it went onto another person's foot in the group that I was in. And just, like. I think it hit three shoes. They're so fucking bold and, like, doughy and, like.

[Harry]

Were you mid stride?

[Ron]

I was mid stride, yeah. So it, like, kind of hung on, but I had to give, like, a wiggle just to. To kind of send it.

[Harry]

That's happened to me here.

[Ron]

Oh, they ran onto you?

[Harry]

Yeah, I've. I had the exact same thing.

[Ron]

Oh, I didn't know that happened over my foot.

[Harry]

It used to be. This area that I live in used to be, like, rat central. Remember when I first moved in here and I would tell you guys that, like, I would be in bed and you could hear the rats screaming outside. Yeah, like. Like wild boars.

[Ron]

It was like the hyenas in the Lion King. They're just on rocks singing, dude.

[Francis]

And then they.

[Harry]

They sprayed some, and then they put up those massive rat traps, the ones that are just like. It's like a mini iron dome. They just got set up outside of every restaurant. So we haven't had them anymore. But, dude, when. When it runs over your foot. The weight is shocking. It's £10 easily.

[Francis]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Harry]

It's the weight of a cat.

[Ron]

Yeah, they kind of cling to you a little bit. Like, they kind of mold to you like. Like dropping some gak on your boot. It's, it's, it's. It was jarringly disgusting.

[Harry]

Would you say like a rat for you guys or like a rat or a mouse? Is that a big fear for you?

[Ron]

No.

[Harry]

Have you ever dealt with it? Like, have you ever had, like a mouse problem?

[Francis]

Not, not, not that bad. In college, our dorm rooms, we had. We had mice. A friend of mine invented a blow dart gun. He got this PVC pipe and he created some way for the. He made these darts. He's like. He would undo a paper clip and then find a way to stop it. And then he would shoot them and spear them. Basically.

[Ron]

Like a tribesman.

[Francis]

Yeah.

[Harry]

So was he just like crawling around on his hands and knees in the dorm all day?

[Francis]

No, he'd be playing video games, and then he'd see a mouse kind of poke its head out, and then he'd pause the game and he'd pick up his PVC pipe, blow dart gun, and he would impale.

[Harry]

It was your roommate, Chris Kyle. That's insane.

[Ron]

And now he kills iguanas in Florida.

[Harry]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I just ran into him outside, actually. That's pretty, like, you got to be pretty, like, well trained to be like mid game, pause, kill. Back to the game.

[Francis]

Yeah, well, it was all one in the same, wasn't it?

[Ron]

Yeah, he's a hunter.

[Harry]

Yeah, not bad. Not bad.

[Francis]

By the way, Harry, I. Oh, sorry. Go ahead.

[Harry]

Oh, no, no, Continue, continue.

[Francis]

Well, I'm changing the subject, so if you have a follow up, I'll let you go.

[Harry]

And I was just gonna say, I think it's like one of my. You can see the mousetrap right here.

[Francis]

That black thing. Oh, no, to the right of it.

[Harry]

That's a mousetrap.

[Francis]

Oh, yeah. Okay, Harry. I played golf with Dal. Touche.

[Harry]

Oh, really?

[Francis]

And he dropped me out, of course. And we. And we. And we drove back together. During which time I learned the entire story of how he got into gaming and streaming. Apex, his current standing with it. And. And the way that you make money, the ins and outs, all of this stuff.

[Ron]

Tell us.

[Francis]

I'll tell you something, Harry. I'll tell you what I learned. I don't think you have it, Harry.

[Harry]

No, no, no, I don't.

[Francis]

I don't think you have what it takes to get to the level he got to.

[Harry]

I, unfortunately don't. And it's. It's really been like. It's honestly, like. I think the only word to describe what I've felt the last two weeks since Black Ops 7 came out is depression. It's just. It's game past you. It's been sad. I've. I. Yeah, I'm. My. My glory days are behind me, and I didn't know until right now.

[Ron]

What. What did that say? Are you talking about how good he is at the game or the dedication to putting streams up or, like, what?

[Francis]

So, I mean, his story is pretty cool, actually. He was playing video games. He went to Florida State. He started playing a lot his senior year. And he said that video games are a little bit like being an athlete, where you have to have a baseline level of innate video game ability. Some people have it, some people don't. Obviously, Harry does not have it.

[Harry]

I don't.

[Francis]

Which is. Explains why I don't have it either. But when we know.

[Harry]

But like you, you probably have more of it than I do.

[Francis]

Okay, so that makes sense. So basically, Harry's like, when you watch a guy play golf where you're like, you don't. You never played sports, but you've swung enough times to find a way to make it work. And then there's, you know, natural athletes who can find a way to hit it even if they haven't played much. So he. Dal Touche is. I said, are you good at every video game? And he said, shooters? Yes.

[Harry]

Yeah.

[Francis]

Shooting games. He'll be able to transfer his innate skill from one to the next. And I said, well, how good are you at Call of Duty? And he goes, that wasn't my game. His game was Apex.

[Harry]

Yep.

[Francis]

And I said, okay, but you. You're on optic and clearly, and Call of Duty is, like, their big thing. And he said, if you were to compare my ability in Call of Duty versus, like, our ranked players, our. Our pros, it would be like saying that I'm a scratch golfer and being like, well, why aren't you playing for the PGA Tour?

[Harry]

Yeah.

[Francis]

Golf. Between a scratch golf golfer and a PGA Tour player is the gulf between him and Call of Duty and the pros.

[Harry]

Yeah. And he's still like. Like, if me and Dal Touch 1v1, they would be probably close to 30 to zero.

[Francis]

Yeah. Yeah. He would wax you. But he said that he started playing Apex, and he was playing it a good amount, and he was streaming it. And this was when he was in college, and when the first round of rankings came out. He was like 130th in the world in terms of total kills. And when he saw that, he was like, oh, I'm going to dedicate myself to this. And he played 17 hours a day for three months.

[Harry]

Yeah.

[Francis]

And then by the next time the rankings came out, he was number one in the world.

[Harry]

Yeah. Yeah, he's, yeah, he was insane at Apex. I, I, it's funny that you bring that up. I literally this weekend was watching his.

[Francis]

I never. What is Apex? Tell me about Apex.

[Harry]

Oh, Apex is a blast. Great game. It's just like a battle royale. Like Fortnite or like War Zone.

[Francis]

Yeah. So basically, Ron, that means you're dropped into a map and it's everybody, man, for himself.

[Harry]

Yeah.

[Francis]

One person standing.

[Harry]

Apex. There's, I think there's solos and there's trios. And you. I used to play trios all the time. Yeah, you get dropped, you, you jump out of a plane into this.

[Ron]

Trios.

[Francis]

Trios is when you're a team of three.

[Ron]

Oh, got it.

[Francis]

Got it.

[Ron]

Okay.

[Harry]

Oh, I didn't know I had to break that one down.

[Francis]

I just guessed.

[Harry]

Yeah. Pretty self explanatory.

[Francis]

Yeah.

[Ron]

You never know.

[Harry]

Yeah. And then in Apex, it's like, it's like every other first person shooter, it's like, it's, you have, but you have like abilities and stuff. You have like specialist moves. Like, I used to play as Bloodhound and he would like, if you, if you double clicked the bumpers, you would get like this. You could see through all the walls and stuff for like 30 seconds. So it's a fun game. Really fun game.

[Francis]

You know, there's Call of Duty, there's Halo, there's all these, there's so many shooter games. What makes a game more popular than another? And I think nuance question now with.

[Harry]

With gaming, it's like literally, I think.

[Ron]

It'S just what they're like, how cool the skins are.

[Harry]

Skins are a big factor for sure.

[Ron]

If you play as the chicken from Family Guy.

[Harry]

Yeah, yeah, exactly. I think it's just like Reputation. Like there's so many new games that come out that are so fun, but they die out after like a week because everyone goes back to Call of Duty. Like everyone shits on Call of Duty. Like it gets a ton of hate. It's because it's like the biggest game. It's like one of, it's like a top. Like it's been around for over 20 years and it's been consistently a top game for those 20 years. So it's like everyone still just plays COD, Counter Strike, League of Legends, Apex. Like they just play the games that they're from that that people have been playing.

[Francis]

I'm hearing that the new COD is not good.

[Harry]

Oh, it's unbelievably good.

[Francis]

I'm hearing that nobody likes it.

[Harry]

Is that what Tush said?

[Francis]

I'm not gonna say who told me.

[Ron]

Would you change your opinion if Tush changed his?

[Harry]

I wouldn't agree with, with Tuch's opinion on that. I think the multiplayer is really good. I think the campaign. I didn't play the campaign. The campaign sucks. But no, the campaign hasn't been good in Call of duty since 2011. So it's like who gives a fuck. The zombies are good. The multiplayer is good. Competitive is going to be unbelievable. It's a great game.

[Ron]

This is going to be a greedy ask of me, but do you think that Daltouche would want to come on to. Son of a boy. Dad, it seems like he has shared interest with you guys.

[Francis]

I know that he would, I know.

[Harry]

Definitely have him on.

[Francis]

Yeah, he's, he's. By the way, he is funny and he fits in. So the way he blew up his thing that was most popular is that he would put on a full suit and he would drink a case of beer, get shit faced and live. Commentate. Commentate tournaments of Call of Duty and just like shit on the people and all this. And so people would watch, they would stream and watch him watch this and commentate on it. He's really dry. He's really, really funny guy.

[Harry]

He's one of the sober dude now, right?

[Francis]

Yeah, he is. He's one of my good friends.

[Harry]

That's great. I'm happy for you.

[Francis]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. So he is sober as of like I think two years ago, maybe a little longer. But you know, we talked about all that. So. Yeah, there's a lot here.

[Harry]

Not too many of us got a.

[Francis]

Lot in common with you. But. But he doesn't, he doesn't do the sober the way that you do. Like he doesn't allow himself like three joints a night or anything like that.

[Ron]

What, where is he based out of? Austin?

[Francis]

Yes, yes, he lives in Austin but we, we could get him on or.

[Ron]

Maybe when we do our big Austin trip, we'll get it, we'll link up with him.

[Francis]

Oh, that' good idea. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Ron]

That's a cool idea for, for Texas week.

[Francis]

Yeah. He said that Harry followed him on Instagram.

[Ron]

Yeah. After you started talking about him.

[Francis]

Well, Tush is a big deal. I. I know him as Tushe.

[Harry]

You only know him as Tush because I just called him Tooche.

[Francis]

You would love to think that. Why don't you rewind to when we were playing golf and I kept saying, good shot, Tushe.

[Harry]

I don't believe it when I see it.

[Francis]

You. He'll tell you. Now, I'll be. I'll be honest with you. I think I started calling him Tush because Grant Horvat just started calling him Tush. So I know was involved. I know him as Tush.

[Harry]

Speaking of Grant Francis, do you know Grant Cardone?

[Francis]

No. Roan.

[Harry]

You obviously do. 10x.

[Ron]

Yes. 10x.

[Harry]

The dude who created 10x.

[Francis]

What's that?

[Ron]

He's like. He's like a supreme apex predator grifter who sells ideas for, like, tens of millions of dollars, but none of the ide are materialized. He'll be a life coach. This is how you ex. You. You elevate your life. All you have to do is just 10 exit. And everybody's, like, taking notes, like, furiously, but he literally doesn't say anything of. And he's parlayed that into 10x health. And I mean, it's. It's like a way of thinking. It's like a grand scam.

[Harry]

Yeah. It's like, well, he's a course guy and, you know, you know, the guys, like, it's like. It's like Gary Vee, but, like, if Gary Vee was less serious, I think.

[Francis]

I could be kind of one of those guys.

[Ron]

You easily could.

[Harry]

I don't know. You got to have a certain. I don't know if you could ask.

[Francis]

Me about the way people have been asking me for the Warpath workout. And I think if we just said, like, I'm now living my whole life preparing for war as far as diet, how. How I'm stocking my bunker under my house.

[Harry]

Yeah.

[Francis]

What type of the way I say.

[Ron]

If you made an Instagram account right now called the Warpath. Warpath Way of Life, like the Warpath lifestyle, you would get to a million followers 10x faster than you've been on the path to it right now. You could probably get it by the by, like, July of this year. If you just, like, started speaking.

[Harry]

I just don't know. I don't know if you have that. If you've got that. That dog in you, though, that killer, like, you got to have that killer in you. You have to be able to work in the eyes when he goes, hey, Francis, what's your workout plan? And you got to be able to look him in the eyes and go, it's going to be $10,000. It's gonna cost you $10,000 for my work.

[Ron]

This simple question.

[Harry]

Yeah.

[Francis]

Yeah.

[Harry]

So if you got that in you, then you got what it takes to be 10.

[Ron]

You're just saying he doesn't have it in him because he just told you that you don't have it in you to. To do what does.

[Harry]

Look, I've been saying this to myself for the last couple days. I don't. I'm already as low as you can't. You can't kick me any lower. I'm as low as it gets.

[Francis]

Harry. Is video game streaming on twitch akin to YouTube Golf, where you don't necessarily have to be that good at video games. You could just be funny and sort of all that. The way that, you know, wear like.

[Ron]

A wig and sunglasses or something. You're good to go.

[Harry]

Yeah. 100.

[Francis]

Why don't you go that route? Why are you not streaming?

[Harry]

I. Well, first of all, I'm not. I just don't really like streaming that much. But I think. I think I'm gonna stream today with Mook after this.

[Francis]

Dude, you should be streaming on Twitch.

[Harry]

Yeah, see, I tried it out and I've got the setup for it. Like, I could. I'm definitely capable of doing it, and I enjoy doing it, like, when I go. When I do it with, like, Mook or with. With Peters.

[Francis]

You just said you don't really like streaming.

[Harry]

I enjoy doing it when I'm with other people, but I've ripped the solos a couple times. I get off and it's like, I feel sick after. Like, you get off and you're like, what did I just do? Like, I feel dirty. I feel like I'm like an only fans girl, dude. You get off and then, like, you close out of all your shit, and then you just got, like, the Twitch page pulled up and there's like 700 million other people streaming in their fucking prison apartments, and you're just like, I don't think this is what I want to do. Like, I don't think this is for me.

[Francis]

Yeah, but you're starting with a lead in that you have a following and. And fans who like you because you play video games. I think people are looking to watch you stream. Frankly, I would. I would pay $5 on Twitch. Yeah, I mean, I might even pay $10 to become one of your star subscribers so that my comments jump to the top of the chat.

[Harry]

Of course.

[Ron]

Of course.

[Francis]

Wow.

[Ron]

Francis, I didn't know you knew so much about Twitch.

[Francis]

I know a lot about Twitch.

[Harry]

We did a stream this weekend for. For the Bush Kickoff. We. There was a kickoff tournament for Call of Duty and we did a. We also put out like a little mini like 25 minute documentary. So go check that out on the Bush YouTube.

[Francis]

I was watching clips from that and it didn't make any sense to me. They were all disjointed, the clips. There was no through line or the documentary. It was clips from the documentary, but it was all in one video. And it was like. It opened on Mook being like I was freaking out. I was losing my mind because I'm watching this. They're not streaming.

[Harry]

Yeah.

[Francis]

And then Jerry was like, yeah, you know, it was a problem, but I didn't know what the problem was. What happened?

[Harry]

So we did. We. We got invited. There was like a kickoff tournament for Black Ops 7. And like the league invited. It was all the pro teams, which is 12 teams. And then they invited four challengers teams, the minor leagues. And then it was. So that was. They invited us. We got like an email from the Call of Duty League being like, we want your team to play in this. Which was pretty cool.

[Francis]

We were huge.

[Harry]

We were pumped about that. And yeah, we. I was in Baltimore all weekend doing shows and Saturday was day one of the tournament and our team played the Thieves. They played LA Thieves. Round one. Would you know the Thieves. Nadeshot owns them. They're like the biggest. It's like Optic and then maybe Phase and then Thieves like. Or they're. They're top three, if not top two organizations.

[Francis]

Thieves does. Does things a little differently though.

[Harry]

Yeah, they're a super team, Francis.

[Ron]

How do they do it different?

[Francis]

They're just. They're not as. They like the OGs of phase and Optic were baked in from a very early time and have kind of. Those guys have now aged. So like those guys are in their 30s and stuff like that and there's so much infighting and there's all this like drama between those teams. Whereas Thieves is a little bit more of like a cooperative team. It's run by Nadeshot, who was a good gamer himself, but he's probably more of a better manager, I would say.

[Harry]

No, I think he's definitely a better gamer.

[Francis]

Okay, well, your words, not mine.

[Harry]

He was really good. He was really good at Call of Duty. But yeah, we. So pretty much what happened was the. The league does like a broadcast and there's so many matches happening. So they were Doing it like red zone almost, where they're hopping back and forth between different matches. So they gave the players permission to stream on their own so we could see their pov. And none of our players streamed. In the defense of our players, I will say not a lot of players in general streamed, but like our guys have to. So it was kind of a thing where it was like, this was a big fuck up.

[Ron]

Why don't you guys tell them to stream though? You're the coach.

[Harry]

We did.

[Ron]

So everyone to stream and everyone said no?

[Harry]

Pretty much. Yeah. Exactly.

[Francis]

Why did they not want to stream? What was their reasoning for not streaming?

[Harry]

I think they just weren't really thinking of it and they.

[Francis]

What does that mean, they weren't thinking of it?

[Harry]

I think they were probably just more focused on competing that day.

[Francis]

It sounds to me as if they didn't really buy in and they didn't want to do the thing, you know, the sort of like business side of the agreement.

[Harry]

I think what happened is they didn't understand how maybe they didn't get the idea of like how serious we are about this. That like we had the watch party set up and we were live and we had like 1500 people watching and we just couldn't watch anyone play.

[Francis]

They basically don't understand that in order for you guys to be able to pay them and to get them where they need to be, they need to hold up their end of the bargain. Bargain. And do the bare minimum, which is streaming. It would be like if we refused to promote our Black Friday merch, which is coming out this Black Friday. Son of a boy, dad, huge drop. Check it out. Only on the barstool sports store, right?

[Harry]

Yes, exactly.

[Francis]

And then Dave flipped out at us, which he would be totally right to do. That's how I think you guys should present this to them. And frankly, I, I don't think you guys are in it.

[Harry]

No, see that's. We're getting a lot of that. We're getting a lot of people saying, you know, our team's not serious, they don't care, all this stuff. And I, and I, you know, I disagree because I think they do care. Well, I know they care. I mean, they. All these guys want to. They just want to get back into the league. And we had a good discussion and things have been figured out. And we know going forward, we stream. Jerry said it best. Going forward, we stream.

[Francis]

Don't you think though, that the minute if you guys get moated back into the league, the minute they're in the league, they're just going to fuck off to other teams and better opportunities.

[Harry]

Definitely. But that's what we signed up for.

[Francis]

So there's no loyalty whatsoever?

[Harry]

No.

[Francis]

Who. Who will you replace them with if you get Telluride Bush to the league?

[Harry]

Oh, if we. If Telluride Bush goes to the league, it's a completely different story. Like, that's. Like, then. Then we would have guys, there would be definitely be loyalty, but that would be because we would have to be paying these guys a salary right now. It's in challengers, there's not a lot of loyalty. Like, ideally, there will be loyalty towards us because hopefully after this weekend, they can see that we have stuff that we can bring to the table. Like, we have people that want to watch and are interested in this.

[Francis]

Yeah.

[Harry]

And like, in esports, eyes are probably the most important thing outside of just your skill.

[Ron]

Who's your biggest star on the team? Like, who's your biggest. Like this.

[Francis]

Who's.

[Ron]

Our guy's a star.

[Harry]

Well, our guys are. Are, for the most part, have. Every one of our guys has been in the league, and they've been. And they've been in and out. Tj, Our guy, tj.

[Ron]

So TJ is the star. That's the first one. He said TJ has gotta be the star. So we're gonna light up, pour some gas on TJ and blow his ass up.

[Harry]

Yeah, definitely. And. And as far as, like, the buying in thing goes, like, everyone's like, they're not bought in. They don't understand the opportunity. It's like, I don't. I don't really blame them because they've been doing this for 10 years. We come in out of nowhere. Like, I get it. I get why they would be skeptical or maybe think that we're not serious about it.

[Francis]

Would you guys say. Would you say that you guys are sort of presenting a slightly different way for them to gain notoriety and followers and fans than the typical way, which is to be at the top league.

[Harry]

Yeah. 1,000%.

[Francis]

So basically, you guys are the Savannah Bananas of.

[Harry]

Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. No, no, no, no, no. We are not the Savannah Bananas.

[Francis]

I think you guys are the Savannah Bananas. No, no.

[Ron]

Dancing to Taylor Swift.

[Harry]

No, we're not changing anything up in game. We're kill.

[Francis]

And he does a backflip.

[Ron]

He does the Macarena.

[Harry]

Absolutely not. None of that.

[Ron]

We're.

[Harry]

We're a classy team. We play by the rules.

[Francis]

You guys are definitely good at baseball, but you're still a joke.

[Harry]

No, no, no. No, no.

[Francis]

You'll see it's more about fun than it is about the actual integrity of the game.

[Harry]

No, and I will say, I will say like we've, we've had two kind of tournaments already. We've been destroyed at both of them. But I think something that everyone has to keep in mind because I tweeted out and I was like, you know, heads are high, like onward. Let's keep this thing moving. We haven't lost against a challenger's team yet. We've only lost against pro teams who are being paid millions of dollars.

[Ron]

Also, also, Francis saying you guys are a joke could be the start of your guys edit.

[Harry]

Oh, absolutely.

[Ron]

That could be him.

[Harry]

We got, I got a bunch of. I got guys that are, that are watching the zoom right now. You guys don't even know about it.

[Francis]

Yeah, yeah. You guys are the Harlem Globetrotters of esports.

[Harry]

Yeah. We might have more employees than Barstool has right now. We got like 600 guys that we're working with.

[Ron]

What do they do? What's their jobs?

[Harry]

They're all, they're everywhere.

[Ron]

Francis, did you like your edits this past week? I feel like they were really nice.

[Francis]

I didn't expect that to happen. I. You. When you mentioned that on the podcast. First of all, I didn't know what an edit was.

[Ron]

I was definitely baiting what. I mean, it was a heavy bait. I knew that we were going to get some heavy ones after you. If you bring it up, like if you ask for an edit, you know that there's going to be the deluge of heat.

[Francis]

Yeah, well, I think had I known that that was potentially coming, I probably would have tried to be far more concise in my introduction to the edit instead of reading the entire post that I did. You know, it really makes people wait a while for the. The music to drop. However, Harry's syncing up with the Someday was really, really good. Also, for what it's worth, that is a song that, that I never, it never occurred to me that that's like some aspirational song.

[Harry]

Oh, yeah.

[Francis]

That's the first song that came to your mind, Harry, when you think of like turning it around and things going.

[Harry]

No, no, that's just because that song gets used in edits constantly. Oh, that's like the song see, these.

[Francis]

Are things I don't know.

[Harry]

Yeah, that's all right.

[Francis]

Okay. Well, yeah, I mean, it was pretty cool. And some. I will say that there was definitely a range of ability in the edits. You know, some of them were really really good. And then some were like, dude, what happened here?

[Harry]

Yeah, you made this on Instagram.

[Francis]

You just made. You just use whatever footage you had.

[Harry]

It's like whatever Francis footage you already had in your camera roll.

[Francis]

You didn't dig too deep. You just used the last five minutes of the Internet Invitational. Some people like went and got footage of me on busing with the boys and, you know, stand up clips.

[Ron]

And like, some people were hitting you with still photos of yourself. Yeah, which I. And then at the end, they were like put in a. They had too much time, so they were putting still photos of themselves in there. Just people having a good ass time with the edits. But I mean, for even trying to make an edit, you get points from me.

[Harry]

Oh, big time.

[Ron]

That's extra credit. That's all. Extra credit. That's not required reading at all.

[Harry]

Absolutely.

[Ron]

Sass, why'd you bring up Grant Cardone?

[Harry]

Oh, yeah, I totally forgot about that. Oh, no, I just saw a funny video of him. I saw just a classic Grant video. It was like him from 10X.

[Ron]

The 10X. The grifter.

[Francis]

Oh, you mentioned Grifter.

[Harry]

Yeah, the. He. I saw a video of him going through. He was like doing one of his videos and he's standing at like an airport security thing. Like a tsa. Like tsa, like the Scanners. And he's like telling these guys that are like taking the course to like empty out their luggage. And one of the guys has like a hairbrush and like a hair dryer. And he's like, look at this.

[Francis]

Was.

[Harry]

Is this someone that you would ever want to be friends with? You would ever trust this guy? And he's like going through all. He like, finds his deodorant. He's like, this is women's deodorant. Get the out of here. And it's like, dude, people are paying for that.

[Francis]

Hang on. Is this the guy that tells people to like, take their shirts off?

[Harry]

It's the exact same thing. It's not that guy, but it's the exact same thing.

[Francis]

Okay.

[Harry]

It's like shaming just normal dudes into thinking they're like the worst person on the planet and that the fact that they have a hair dryer in their back is the reason that they're not a millionaire.

[Ron]

But you look at the audiences of those places and like other meninist red pill conventions and like, the dudes are like, pretty jacked. Like, they do have like, kind of like spiky like Nick Lache hair and like tap out shirts and like that but, like, they are, like, it's not even like, they're like slobs who need, you know, to turn their life around. It seems like they. They're already there. But I. I guess it's just the kind of the content that they like.

[Harry]

I think it's just like dudes at their absolute lowest. Like, I think it's like they're. Do they. They look good physically, but I think everything else is like, they have no idea what's going on because they go in. It's dudes that go in with, like, they're like 11% body fat. Like, maybe they got a. Like, they got like a little something that you could grab onto and they go in. They need Grant to look them and look at them and be like, you're a fat.

[Ron]

You're a disgusting.

[Harry]

Turn it around, you pig. You wild or wild boar.

[Ron]

I always wonder what the first step on that journey looks like. Like, did he start selling right away or did he start motivating right away or what? How do you get into that world of making. Forcibly taking other people's shirts off?

[Harry]

I don't. Motivating is a weird one because I. I love, like, I'm a big motivational guy. Like, I love, like, a good motivational video. And I listen to some of these guys. Not like the take your shirt off dudes, but, like, I'll listen to the occasional motivational speaker.

[Ron]

Little Tony Robbins.

[Harry]

Little Tony Robbins, Little Eric. Little Eric Thomas. You know, the standards. Little Icky Johnson.

[Francis]

Who.

[Harry]

Who knows?

[Ron]

But keep it score.

[Harry]

You don't. You don't know, Inky?

[Ron]

No, I don't know. I'm saying who's keeping score is all I'm saying. But I don't know. Iki Johnson. Put me on. Put me on.

[Harry]

Yeah, I'll send you some minky later. But you watch these guys and. And you know, they kind of go on about. They're like, I, like, I want it to be the top of my game. Like, Like, I. You. You gotta be hungry, stay hungry. And then you're like. But all you're doing is just telling everyone what to do. So it's like, how do they, like. I guess I'm a little. I'm a little confused by how that whole thing works as well.

[Ron]

Wait, does Inky Johnson only have one arm? What's going on here?

[Harry]

He's only got one arm. He played it. He played football.

[Ron]

Football at Tennessee.

[Harry]

Paralyzed.

[Francis]

You know who I find really inspirational? More than those guys that you're talking about? Harry. No, I was gonna say the people that, you know, tell the story of how they were completely addicted to drugs and then kind of come back from. From really rock bottom on that. I've. There was a guy who played for, I think the Celtics for Chris Harris.

[Harry]

Yeah, yeah.

[Francis]

Chris Aaron YouTube video. Boy, that. That's really inspirational to me, where I'm like, Jesus, I guess the way for me to go forward is to start taking serious drugs.

[Harry]

You got to go low before you can get.

[Francis]

You got. I. I'm. Right now, I'm just living at a normal plane. I have to go down in order to go all the way up.

[Harry]

Exactly. You know, the lowest.

[Ron]

The springboard on the way up is Christianity, too.

[Harry]

Oh, big time.

[Ron]

Like, you start coming back up, and then you launch off of Christianity.

[Harry]

Yeah, right. Yeah.

[Francis]

I don't. I haven't found God yet because I haven't started looking.

[Ron]

Yeah, you haven't hit rock bottom.

[Francis]

There's not any reason for me to search. You know, I'm. I'm looking out and watching guys shoot iguanas. Like, life is pretty good.

[Harry]

Yeah.

[Ron]

You know, who's that? Who's. My inspiration is first responders, firefighters and cops.

[Francis]

You're a big firefighter guy.

[Ron]

I'm realizing that about myself. My wife was also calling me out. She's like, anytime there's, like, firefighters and cops around, you, like, slob on their. Their knob badly. You just want to surround yourself with firefighters and cops.

[Francis]

I'm the same way with black people.

[Harry]

Hell, yeah.

[Francis]

And God help me if I ever meet a black firefighter.

[Ron]

They exist. They're out here.

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[Francis]

You were really badly burned. I don't know about that.

[Ron]

But hang on.

[Harry]

Racism.

[Francis]

Hang on. So. So, Roan. I mean, as a kid, I was obsessed with firefighters and fire trucks. That was like my number one thing. But I. That shifted. And have you maintained this adulation of fireman your whole life?

[Ron]

No, I think it's more of a recent. I think it's more of a recent infatuation.

[Harry]

Is it because all of your friends are firefighters?

[Ron]

That could be something. Part of it. And I wind up. I'll even start talking to him, and I'll start code switching the same way Francis will with the black guy. I'll be like, yeah, down at the firehouse on 1 20th engine ladder 220. And I'll just start going, like, full, like, New York guy voice. And it's. It's shameful, honestly, because I'll start telling them about other firefighters and cops. I know, and I like leaving the conversation. I know they don't want to hear about it. They don't want to, like, hear about a firefighter. I know. To try and relate to a lived experience that they have. It's so preposterous. But some of them like to tell stories. Some of them like to spin yarns.

[Harry]

You want to be a firefighter, Pick your top city for fighting. Not New York, not New York. Definitely not New York. So pick another one.

[Francis]

Yeah, probably Seattle since it rains all the time.

[Harry]

Yeah, that's a good pick. Brazil for the same reason.

[Ron]

Yeah, yeah, it has to be somewhere. But a lot of cities don't pay their firefighters. Like, a lot of them are either volunteers or they're not unionized. And they don't have a good ass job. I think, like, that's because we haven't.

[Harry]

Had any big fires. Like, we need a big one just to. To get these guys paid.

[Ron]

Southern California would suck. New York would suck. Any, like, dense city I think would suck. Being a suburban fighter. Like, all you have to do is, like, bench press and, like, stay ready.

[Harry]

I think that's the play. Stay in the suburbs. Occasionally a dryer goes off.

[Francis]

Dude, the. I'll say roan. Tell me what you think about this since you're the resident fireman expert, but the ho sucker. I think that my. It seems to me that people who fight forest fires are an even different breed of firefighter than, you know, city firemen.

[Ron]

Yeah. Because they don't even get to whistle at girls.

[Francis]

Well, they're also. They're also like, they can never win.

[Harry]

No, there is no winning.

[Francis]

Like you in the. In this as in the city. It's like, you know, you show up it a lot of the time, it's like, oh, there's smoke coming out of that. Oh, someone just left their toaster on too long or, you know, you never. I understand it's still dangerous and stuff. Whereas guys who were fighting forest fires, it's like, all right, bad news, everyone. 4,000 acres around us are on fire and the winds are picking up. So I guess we'll just dump a couple buckets on this and hope for the best. Hope. Hope we. Hopefully we can save the church in town.

[Ron]

Yeah. That is brutal. That is an insane way to live your life. It's like doing cancer research. It's like, yeah, we're probably not going to solve this.

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[Francis]

Okay, I saw. I saw this movie called the Last Bus. Did you see this? No, it's with Matthew McConaughey and it's Imagine if like the the the Magic School Bus Meets Fire. That's really what it was. It's him in this town. He's. He's got to round up a bunch of kids and save them and drive through fire and. And it's. It's really dramatic. And none of them make it, unfortunately.

[Harry]

Anyone else getting a little. Anyone else a little over McConaughey? Yeah, just kind of getting like, we get it.

[Francis]

This movie was not good.

[Harry]

I think he's a great actor, but I don't know. I have a hard time with some of these dudes. Like.

[Ron]

Like, they're like mystique maxing.

[Harry]

Yeah. And it's like, you see McConaughey, and it's like, you can tell. Like, he thinks he's the guy in the movies. Like, you think you're the guy from True Detective. Like, you're. You're a theater kid.

[Francis]

I think he's done what a lot of people. What a lot of. Where he's, like, become a caricature of himself.

[Harry]

Yeah. Like, you're not this, like, grizzled country. Like, he's. You see the videos of him walking the sidelines at the Texas games, like he owns the team. Like he was out there. Yeah, right, right.

[Ron]

Just whistle, lisping at them.

[Harry]

Yeah. And it's like, dude, like, yeah, you're.

[Ron]

Rich, but you can. You can afford the aesthetic.

[Harry]

Yeah, exactly.

[Francis]

Yeah. But he did. I will say there was a moment there where he went from, you know, perfect tan, chiseled rom com heartthrob to aids. And that was an impressive transformation. I think he needs to go back to aids, you know, or Mud. Mud was really good.

[Harry]

I never watched that. I've seen the trailer probably 10,000 times.

[Francis]

You should see Mud.

[Harry]

I just. I like. I said, I just don't like. I. I like McConaughey. I love true Detective. I love the AIDS movie.

[Francis]

Bud is like AIDS meets True Detective.

[Harry]

Yeah, exactly. And I, like, really good. Like, I have no. I have nothing to say bad about McConaughey's acting. He's probably one of the best to ever do it, but you're not that guy. They're not the guy. You're not the guy in real life.

[Ron]

The problem with McConaughey, though, is if he sat down with us, we'd probably walk away being like, he's the man. But was that all an act? You know, was that just him, like, being able to, like, fully distill the human experience into what a charming dude is? Like as the fourth in a.

[Harry]

In a three man group, I think he's always. He's always on.

[Ron]

He's always calculating.

[Harry]

Yeah.

[Francis]

Dude. I also think. I also think that every leading actor has their moment, and then they fade. And a lot of what causes them to fade is wrong choices in projects.

[Harry]

Yeah.

[Francis]

You look at Denzel Washington. There was a period there where they.

[Ron]

Tried to kill my wife. Sass. Do it one time.

[Harry]

No, no, no, no. I don't got it in me.

[Ron]

Okay, Denzel, who else?

[Francis]

You know, McConaughey had it.

[Ron]

Leo.

[Francis]

But here's the thing. I was just gonna say Leo has never cooled off. Exactly.

[Harry]

And that is strategy because.

[Francis]

It's because he doesn't overexpose himself.

[Harry]

Yep.

[Francis]

He maintains this mystique. He's. He's very limited. He never seems to make a wrong choice on a movie. Except for that one that I don't look up.

[Harry]

Don't look terrible.

[Francis]

Bad.

[Harry]

He was getting it, though. He was great.

[Francis]

Yeah. I just. That.

[Harry]

That movie was. That movie sucked.

[Francis]

Yeah. But there's just.

[Ron]

He.

[Francis]

He's so. He's almost, like, got an edge of. Who's the great character at Daniel Day Lewis? Like, there's almost a Daniel Day Lewis, some of them, where you're like, we don't. I don't know where he is. Where is Leo DiCaprio?

[Harry]

Probably somewhere. You got to assume most of the hours that you're awake. Leo's 16 hours a day.

[Ron]

No. You don't think that his libido has decreased as he. What is he, 50?

[Harry]

He's getting a libido. Injections straight into his.

[Ron]

No, but like, you. He has Adam Sandler body. Like, you'd think that if he was getting the injections, he would at least get, like, easy. He could easily get an injection to have him jacked.

[Harry]

True.

[Ron]

He could be on the Kumail Nanjiani injection and just be.

[Harry]

Yeah, he might be slowing down, but.

[Francis]

I will say that he's such a good actor that he can go from the Wolf of Wall street to the Revenant, where he's, like, starving and being mauled by a bear on the frontier, to the Aviator, and he just has the same body in every single movie. And there's no director that can be like, hey, we would love it if you would lose. Lose 55 pounds for this role.

[Harry]

Yeah. Yeah. It's just not gonna happen.

[Ron]

I heard that they asked Marlon Brando to do that for Apocalypse Now. Apocalypse Now? Yeah. Did you hear that story that they asked him to lose? Like, they needed him to lose, like, 70 pounds because he was supposed to be this guru, like, jungle leader, and he Just refused to do it. So they had to completely rewrite the role because, like, he was going to be a fat, Vietnamese, like, tribal leader.

[Harry]

Damn. Dave made me lose £20 for when we started this podcast. He said, well, you could. You can do a show. Gonna need you to slim up, though.

[Ron]

We need the youthful boy look. Okay? We need to appeal to, like, the high school guy audience.

[Francis]

Oh, dude. I went out to brunch with Jeff D. Lowe in Austin, and we went to this place called Paper Boy, and they had all these shareables on the menu, and it was like, like all kinds of sweet, sweet treats. They had a key lime brioche and a homemade pop Tart, and they had ricotta toast and the cinnamon toast. And Jeff and I are ordering. We did our entrees first. We each got, like, some big egg entree, you know, an omelet or whatever, and. And then he was like, let's get a couple of the Share Bells shareables. And we. He would throw one out, and then I was like, let's do this one, too. And then he threw another one out, and then I was like, and then let's do this. And we were just, like, egging each other on, you know, pun intended. And I was so happy with the way that he ordered. But as our food came in, this kid walked in who I swear to God was the most sass doppelganger I've ever seen in my fucking life. And I think he was probably, like, 17, and I really wanted to give him some of my food.

[Ron]

You should have used it. Yeah, he could have used it, but then he's too plump for a show on Dave's network. But I think. I think that you should have at least snapped a picture of brother and so we could. We could have seen.

[Francis]

I wanted to, but I could tell he was underage.

[Ron]

There's no surprise to me that Jeff Lowe is a great spot finder and orderer.

[Francis]

Dude, he orders the way I do. He orders the way I do, which is to say, leave. Leave no stone unturned. You know, the FOMO I get from worrying that I didn't order the best thing on the menu is far more painful than the feeling of my stomach stretching to the point where I have to lie down for six hours.

[Harry]

I just don't get. I just don't. Like, I, I. I don't know why. It's just. I just don't have that in me. Like, I. I never. And I feel like there's so many people like that who it's like, they gotta get the right. Like they're panicking at the menu.

[Francis]

I don't get social fomo, but I do get food fomo?

[Harry]

Yeah. I don't get any food fomo.

[Francis]

Well, you don't really eat. I mean, you're. You go to any restaurant you go to, you have the burger.

[Harry]

Not quite. Not quite.

[Francis]

You don't even say, how's the burger? You just say, I'll have the burger.

[Harry]

Because what are they gonna. How's the burger? It's terrible. Don't get it. That's not gonna happen.

[Francis]

No, I know, but we could be at a Thai restaurant and you're gonna get the burger.

[Harry]

I'd pad Thai last night.

[Francis]

Yeah. Burger flavor.

[Ron]

Yeah, I did also Pad Thai. That's the burger of Thai.

[Francis]

Is.

[Harry]

It definitely is. And honestly, I. I actually think. I just don't really like pad Thai.

[Ron]

See you might be better. Ah, it's like mezcal to tequila. It has, like, a little smoky. Smoky.

[Harry]

See you is good. But you know what it is about pad Thai? It's the egg. Get the egg out of there. Who the is asking for that mushy, gross egg that looks like chicken? You won't know it's not chicken until you bite into it and find out that it's egg.

[Francis]

The chicken of the tree.

[Ron]

Oh, my God. Yo, so one of these security guards in Chicago that when we were walking with the. With the rats, the rat jumped onto my shoe, then jumped onto his shoe.

[Harry]

He shot it.

[Ron]

Former cop, by the way. Solid, solid guy. But he said that he was going to Disney World. And like, two days before he left, he ripped his calf muscle. And so he was supposed to be walking around with his kids at Disney World, but then he said he had to be in a wheelchair for the entire time at Disney World. And I was like, well, at least you get to bump up to the front of the line. Like, wheelchair, I think, in Disney World bumps to the front of the line. And he told me that they got rid of that a couple years ago because local Florida families were renting out their special needs children at Disney World for people to take them to the.

[Harry]

Front of the line.

[Ron]

And it's the real fast pass. And at first I was like, that's. That's so fucked up. But then I realized it's the first ever win, win, win situation where you get to go to the front of the line, the parents get to get a little money, and there's a fucking special needs kid just going to Disney World every day of the week, riding the rides waiting in no lines. Yeah, that's the most victimless crime that's ever existed.

[Harry]

It's. That's a healthy exchange.

[Ron]

Yeah, that's all it is.

[Harry]

That's just a healthy exchange.

[Francis]

Roan, have I ever told you I used to be an autograph hound? When I was a kid, I was a hound, and I would insist that we. When we would go to Celtics games, my dad and me. Well, because when I was in seventh grade, I had sepsis in my ankle and it was really, really bad. So I was in the hospital for a long time. And when I came out of it, I was so sick. That sort of. To help me, like, recover because I had a IV that was in my. Or catheter that was in my heart and stuff. Like, I was in a bad way. So we got a 10 game package to the Celtics.

[Harry]

When was this?

[Francis]

When I was in seventh grade.

[Harry]

And, you know, obviously, like, I was on life support for a couple months.

[Ron]

In my ankle and my liver had a straw coming through it.

[Francis]

We used to have to. He would have to administer my antibiotics through my catheter in my heart during the game because I had to do them four times a day. And. And he would, like. We would, like, lift up my shirt very kind of subtly. And I always remember there'd always be like, some other man drinking around us who'd be like, that kid's a warrior. Which is cool. But anyway, that was when I was in seventh grade and I was a hound. And. And that year I did my best autograph work because I was a sickly child.

[Ron]

They had you in a chair. In a chair, a wheelchair, with, like a blanket over your lap.

[Francis]

No, I was out of the chair. Once I got out of the hospital. No, because I had to have the ankle surgery. So I was in a chair for a little bit. But no, when I. When I was going to the games, I was no longer in the chair, but I would. We would show up an hour and a half early during shoot around and go. I knew exactly where I needed to stand and I needed to get autographs. And then I hit a growth spurt probably around that time, like eighth grade. And then I went. When I was. Dude, when I was a freshman in high school, my buddy Michael and I went to see the Celtics play the Cavs in LeBron's rookie year. And I was so excited about LeBron. And I had mowed a lot of lawns to save up to buy The Cleveland Cavaliers LeBron James authentic jersey, the red one. It was fucking sick. And I was waiting to try to get his autograph. And I remember Darius Miles took the jersey and signed it, and it was the LeBron jersey. At which point I was like, well, the only way this makes sense now is if I get the Entire team plus LeBron. Right? Yeah. So then I just started, like, begging these, like, bench warmers to come sign the jersey, which they did. And sure enough, LeBron comes back to go through the shoot around. And because I was no longer a sick child, the only person on the team whose autograph I did not get was LeBron James.

[Harry]

Brutal.

[Francis]

So I have, like 11 autographs on an authentic LeBron James jersey from a Cavs team that meant nothing. And the only one missing is the guy who's jersey.

[Ron]

You got to get it at the Internet Invitational next year when he plays in it.

[Harry]

Yeah, yeah, bring it.

[Francis]

I have this jersey, and I have thought, like, is there a way for us to. Maybe I've even told the story. Is there a way for us to leverage some sort of connection to get LeBron to just sign it?

[Harry]

I think we had this conversation about a year ago on the podcast.

[Francis]

We may have.

[Harry]

Nothing came from it then.

[Ron]

We got more.

[Harry]

A little more steam. Now.

[Francis]

Who do you think you should have.

[Ron]

Told that story on the invitation? Next. Like a big, big golf video Next. Good, good golf video that you do. Make sure that you tell this story so it can kind of get to him. Because if he's watching YouTube golf videos, maybe there's a way. I don't know.

[Francis]

There could be a connection. Yeah, I start keeping it in your.

[Harry]

Golf bag at all times.

[Francis]

I don't need it for any other reason than to fill the hole in my heart. It's like a. A feeling of. Of having missed. There's one puzzle piece missing.

[Harry]

You should just, like, send it to LeBron. Just mail it to him.

[Francis]

Well, then there's no guarantee that his assistant's not going to sign it.

[Harry]

True.

[Ron]

Or Ronnie see him. Yeah.

[Harry]

Ronnie might devalue the jersey.

[Francis]

Yeah. There has to be a way. There has to be someone that we know who is. I don't know that Dave knows or Big cat knows that we can use to get to LeBron.

[Harry]

Well, I think the problem is Dave has publicly hated LeBron for 20 years.

[Francis]

Yeah, true.

[Harry]

So that doesn't.

[Ron]

Your best workout. So, Francis, when you were out of the wheelchair, how were you proving you were sickly?

[Francis]

Well, I had lost a ton of weight.

[Ron]

But they don't even know what your base weight was.

[Francis]

No, but I did. I did not look well.

[Ron]

Oh, so you were sickly presenting.

[Francis]

I was sickly feeling.

[Ron]

Yeah. I just didn't like. Of course I'm not doubting that you felt sickly. I'm just saying, like, how did Darius Miles or whoever else know to, like, come up to you?

[Francis]

Or like, those guys were just giving autographs to everybody.

[Ron]

Got it, got it.

[Francis]

Didn't. It didn't really matter. I mean, I was there so early and that we. I was standing in the away tunnel in the right spot. So, you know, they came out and signed a bunch of autographs.

[Ron]

Yeah. But by the time, you know who.

[Francis]

Else signed was Car. I think Carlos Boozer was on that team.

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[Francis]

Yeah, I got his. And then I.

[Ron]

And then I said.

[Francis]

I said before the game, I go, hey, Carlos, may I have your shoes? And he goes, I've got to wear them for the game, but I'll find you after to give them to you. And he didn't. But he may have been looking for me. I wasn't. I don't remember being in the right spot to receive them.

[Ron]

He just stood there on the corner for 15 minutes waiting for you to.

[Francis]

Yeah, Josh Jacobs just.

[Harry]

Did you see that? He took the ball back from that kid and then he sent him a signed ball and a signed jersey. That's just class. That's class.

[Ron]

That's super.

[Harry]

Wouldn't hate a guy like that on the Patriots right now.

[Francis]

I think Elton Brand was also on that team, but I could be wrong. No, what am I saying? I'm conflating this. That wasn't the Cavs team, that was the Clippers. Was Darius Miles on LeBron's rookie team?

[Ron]

I think he was. I think he.

[Francis]

Maybe for a little bit and. And so was Carlos Boozer. Right?

[Ron]

Yeah, that would make more sense.

[Francis]

Okay. That's right. Not Elton Brand then. Forget.

[Ron]

You'Re saying. He's making stories. Steve Rasniazzi. I was at that game. Damn, that would have been so nice. But by the time you were 14, though, they were probably like. LeBron was probably like. He thought you were a basketball player sized.

[Francis]

Yeah, he did. He did. Look how healthy white boy. Yeah, that kid's well fed.

[Ron]

What were you saying? Sass brother?

[Harry]

I was gonna say we had Bo in the office last week, Francis. You missed him.

[Francis]

The. You had Bowen the day that I'm not there.

[Harry]

I didn't know you weren't going to be there. I also heard that you offered up your apartment to him.

[Francis]

Yeah, he and I talk. We talk.

[Harry]

He's killing me. I was cracking me up.

[Francis]

I Was on the phone with him, and I was like, where are you staying this week? And he said he was staying at you on your couch. And I was like, I don't think you want to do that. You know, you're gonna have to brush all the rat droppings off.

[Harry]

Clean as hell. Look how clean this place is, people.

[Ron]

You should take a picture of that background without you in it so people can use it as their zoom background. It's clean and iconic.

[Harry]

Yeah, But I was telling Ron, I got. I have one. I ordered blackout curtains, and they brought one. They brought one size one. Right here is the blackout. And then these are not blackout curtains. So it's pretty brutal.

[Francis]

It's kind of sheer half blackout.

[Harry]

I just don't know in what world you would think you would have to buy two of the curtains. You would expect it to be. Why would they be packaging the curtains individually?

[Francis]

Were you insulted that I offered my apartment to Bo?

[Harry]

No, not at all. I thought. I just thought it would be hilarious if he was like. At the end of the night, he was like, all right, I'm gonna go back to Francis's now.

[Ron]

It would have been smart of him to take it. Like, your apartment's very nice and taken care of, and we can see where he was sleeping.

[Harry]

We thought about it. We thought about going over a couple times. Oh, yeah, we were gonna both go.

[Francis]

You both go sleep?

[Harry]

Yeah. Y. I was like. I mean, his place is probably nicer than this.

[Francis]

Yeah. Yeah, you would. You could have slept on my couch, Harry, and you would have been happier than sleeping in your bed, probably.

[Harry]

My bedroom sucks. But the. We had a good time. He'd be. He stayed after I left. I had to go to Baltimore. And he was like, I'm gonna leave in the morning. And I was like, all right, cool. And then he called me the next morning, and he was, like, thinking, I'm gonna stay until Sunday actually. I was like, all right, dude. Do whatever you want. He just. I'm pretty sure he just played counter strike just all day on my computer.

[Francis]

That's awesome. I gave him some recommendations on some art to go see. I don't think he probably.

[Harry]

He might have. He was. He was doing. But, like, I would wake up, and he'd already be on cs Got it grinding.

[Francis]

Well, then my apartment would not have been ideal because I don't have any of that stuff.

[Harry]

No, you can't put.

[Ron]

Your screen's too big to play on, honestly.

[Harry]

Did you guys see my. Did you guys see. I switched my monitor to vertical. I sent it in the chat. Bcc.

[Francis]

You did? Yeah, I saw that. Yours. I saw your setup. It looked pretty good. You look like a stock trader.

[Harry]

I know, right? The vertical monitor is so game changer.

[Ron]

I'm checking it right now and fits.

[Harry]

So many things, so many room for activities.

[Ron]

Oh, so you have three games on the vertical monitor.

[Harry]

Yeah.

[Ron]

Stacked up.

[Harry]

Yeah. Red Zone, Patriots, and then I think the Colts.

[Ron]

It kills the negative space.

[Harry]

It. It absolutely eliminates it.

[Ron]

Unless you have four.

[Francis]

Could you. Why do you not use your TV for anything anymore?

[Harry]

No, I use it still, but for watching ball. I'll watch ball on it and I'll walk like. Like, if it's prime time, I'm probably watching ball on the tv. But it was just. It was a good Sunday.

[Ron]

And when you sit on your couch, are you laying down across the whole couch when no one's there, or are you sitting upright on your couch?

[Harry]

Laying?

[Francis]

For sure.

[Harry]

I'm always horizontal.

[Ron]

I honestly miss what I'm pretty much.

[Harry]

Laying down right now.

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[Harry]

My feet are fully kicked up on the desk.

[Francis]

My parents don't have furniture in their little bungalow right now. And so every night they watch Mayor of Kingstowne. That's the show they're on right now.

[Ron]

I think it's Mayor of East. What's Mayor of Kingstowne?

[Harry]

I've never heard of that.

[Francis]

Kingstown is. Is this white guy who comes into Jamaica and changes everything thing.

[Harry]

John May.

[Francis]

No, it's Jeremy Renner, the Record. Fictional. I don't know. I've never seen it. But they. They're raving about it. But I. I walked out to the. Go to the bathroom and then came back in and walked by their window and saw and looked in, and they're both sitting in computer chairs watching Mar of Kings down in this empty room.

[Harry]

That is so brutal.

[Francis]

It was really sad.

[Ron]

Divorced dad energy, for sure.

[Harry]

Computer chairs is hilarious. Spinning around.

[Ron]

That's Carl Van Houten. Or what's Milhouse. Dad name. Did you, either of you ever watch. Did you guys watch a lot of the Simpsons growing up?

[Harry]

No, I've seen. I've seen, like, the classic episodes. Of course.

[Ron]

I think it might have been the funniest show of all time.

[Harry]

That was one I tried. I, like, tried to get into.

[Ron]

You can't. You don't really get into it. Just start, like, right in the middle. Because the first. First seasons are bad. But Sass, tell me if I'm wrong about this. Your friend Bo, Is he a goof? Really? He didn't really seem. He didn't really strike me as much of a goof. Like, he was a good, rock solid dude, but maybe a bit serious.

[Harry]

I think he's definitely pretty serious. Like, in. In, like, public settings. Like, he's definitely a goof, but when we. When we go into the office, like, it's all of a sudden he's, like, in military mode, shaking everyone's hand. Hey, nice to meet you. I'm Bo.

[Ron]

You gave me a very serious read.

[Harry]

It's a lot of, like, sizing people. Like, he's, like, sizing people to figure out if he's gonna have to, like, spar with them.

[Francis]

Dude, I know. I know a young guy who's in the military. He's a close friend of mine, but he's like. He's like 28, and I've known him forever, and he is a goof. And then when I, like, introduce him to people and they ask what he does, and he tells them he's a. He's a fighter pilot. He flies F18s, and he's the fucking man. But, like, as soon as people learn that about them, he starts. If they're older, he'll finish every sentence with yes, sir. Yes, sir.

[Harry]

Oh, yeah.

[Francis]

And I'm like. I'm like, what are you doing that for?

[Harry]

Yeah.

[Francis]

And he goes, they like it.

[Harry]

I'm sure they do.

[Francis]

Like, when you give it to them, it makes them feel patriotic, you know? I'm like, I kind of. I kind of dig that.

[Harry]

Yeah, yeah, I get that.

[Francis]

I do kind of like that.

[Ron]

I throw around. Yes, I throw around sirs and ma' ams pretty liberally.

[Francis]

But he. He's doing.

[Harry]

Coming from you, it's cond. It's condescending coming from Ron. You know, he doesn't mean it. He's saying it in a nasty way.

[Ron]

Yeah. Jerk off. Call me sir and ma' am the whole time. Oh, yeah. There is getting it from a troop group that's gonna. That'll make you want to ride on a horseback with the American flag flapping. Yeah.

[Francis]

War bonds.

[Ron]

Yeah, they still sell war bonds. I'd love to get my hands on some bonds.

[Francis]

I don't know. I don't know. I don't think so right now, But I could be dead wrong.

[Harry]

I'm trying to make some money moves myself right now. I'm trying to get in on, like, I want to figure out how we can go, how we can bet against and like, Nvidia and all this stuff.

[Ron]

Again.

[Harry]

It's like the big short. Yeah. I'm trying to pull that Off.

[Francis]

You can shorten video. I wouldn't advise doing that.

[Ron]

What do you know? Are you about to smoke their CEO or something? What's going on here?

[Harry]

I got some intel.

[Ron]

What did you hear?

[Harry]

I'm hearing that Meta's going with Google chips instead of Nvidia.

[Ron]

Is that true?

[Harry]

Yeah, that's what I'm hearing.

[Ron]

And Meta is going to change the market enough for like, how, how, how big of a Meta?

[Harry]

I think Matt is everything. Are you sure? I think I'm, I think I'm back in on Zuck all the way.

[Ron]

Are you sure?

[Harry]

Yeah, I think Zuck is him.

[Francis]

Why?

[Ron]

Because, well, how much they spent on AI?

[Harry]

No, I saw an interview with Zuck where he was talking about the AI race and like, super intelligence, and he was saying that, like, he kind of dropped a little flex in where he was like, he was like. And you know, like, we've invested $600 billion into it. He's like. And to be honest, like, if it doesn't work out out, we're not at risk of going out of business. We're fine. And I was like, that's pretty bad. He was pretty much insinuating, like, if this doesn't work out, like Nvidia and like open AI and all these companies are done, but Meta, you can't take them down.

[Ron]

It's just a little side project for them.

[Harry]

Yeah, he's just dabbling.

[Ron]

I mean, some of these AI companies are going to explode and, like, not exist. And the amount of money they could have, like.

[Harry]

Yeah, well, it's a total, just, it's just a circle jerk. They're just, they're just investing in buying.

[Ron]

Because it's an arms race and they don't even know what they're like, going for. So they're just hiring like, the people in charge don't know what, what the end goal of the arms race is. So they're just trying to buy up the most expensive and intelligent people.

[Harry]

Yeah, I didn't realize that. It's like a, it's. I didn't realize, like, I watched some whole video about how super intelligence and how it works and, like, progresses. I didn't realize that. It's like, like the model of the AI creates the next model. Machine learning, constantly growing and on its own itself until it'll get to a point where it'll just, it'll be too powerful. And then we're.

[Ron]

Nah, I think.

[Harry]

And I think that's soon.

[Ron]

You think we're going to be. I don't think we're going to be.

[Harry]

I think it'll either completely die out or it's over.

[Francis]

Over.

[Ron]

No, like, I think it'll.

[Harry]

I think AI will completely go away, and it'll always just be like a search engine or the world will end for real. I think that's it.

[Ron]

As long as they're playing ball on Sundays. Dude, AI. AI still can't figure that out.

[Harry]

True. I mean, we'll be lucky if we even have ball on Sundays. They'll probably just type in.

[Ron]

Yeah, they'll just spit out the score. Like, the game will start at 1 and 4 of the score will just get printed.

[Harry]

Yeah, you just type into Sora. I want to see the Pats and the Eagles play, but I want Tom Brady to be the Patriots quarterback. This game. Okay, perfect.

[Ron]

That will exist. That definitely will exist for sure. And they'll rig the. Out of that.

[Harry]

It's all a bunch of bull.

[Ron]

I'm not scared. Are you scared?

[Harry]

I'm not scared because I don't really use it. But, like, some people. There's people that are like. There's people that are already fully AI dependent in, like, everything they do. I'm not going to name names. One of my friends who visited me here and slept on my couch last week is fully AI dependent.

[Ron]

What? What do you mean? What ways?

[Harry]

Calling me from the airport being like, he's. He wanted to take the train to my apartment from the airport because he didn't want to spend all the money on an Uber. And he's reading me off all these, like, options. And I'm like. I'm like. He's like, well, what if I took the. What if I Ubered to. And I'm like, where are you getting this information? He's like, chat GPT. And I was like, why aren't you just looking it up on maps? It'll tell you exactly how to get here step by step with, like, a hundred options. And he's reading a description on chat GBT about how to get to my apartment.

[Ron]

It is funny that Chat GPT for, like, being the one is just like, text on a white screen.

[Harry]

Oh, my God. And it's just. Just dumb as rocks.

[Ron]

Yeah, it has no idea.

[Harry]

Brain dead.

[Ron]

Couldn't tell me who was going to win the 49ers game.

[Francis]

Ron, did you see that? Is my mic off?

[Harry]

Yeah, you're good.

[Ron]

You're good, you're good.

[Francis]

It's working.

[Harry]

Yeah, you're showing.

[Francis]

All right. I saw an amazing post about a hack of how to sort of surpass or circumvent the Uber at JFK, where you have to get on the AirTrain.

[Ron]

To go to where they are. Yes.

[Harry]

I'd like to be included in this conversation as well.

[Ron]

If he's talking to me.

[Francis]

Yeah. Should we. Should we just talk about this after the episode?

[Ron]

Why don't you go grab a can of Pringles, son, and go enjoy yourself?

[Harry]

I also fly into jfk.

[Ron]

Why don't you go take a pee.

[Harry]

And would like to know this cheat code.

[Francis]

Harry, go sweep up for a bit. No. Is some guy posted a thing about how if you fly it specifically into Terminal five, which. Which is a terminal. That is the Delta terminal at jfk.

[Harry]

The terminal from hell.

[Francis]

I don't think it's a bad terminal. That's where the Delta one lounge is, which is the sickest thing ever.

[Harry]

Yeah, but it's. It's a bad terminal when you got to fucking throw on the running shoes to get to your gate.

[Francis]

Well, you got to start getting to the airport earlier, dude. I don't know why you like to play fucking Russian roulette with the planes.

[Harry]

Because it feels so good when it works.

[Francis]

No, it doesn't. You're so sweating, soaked, and you don't like to exercise.

[Harry]

No.

[Francis]

We've been through this. You and I did this together at LaGuardia. Do you recall?

[Harry]

Yeah, That'll never happen again.

[Ron]

At least laguardia is central. With three vessels off of it. Or, like four vessels off of it. JFK is just a stripe.

[Francis]

Yeah.

[Ron]

Like, you got to go to the end of jfk, you got to go to the end of B. If you want to get to that last flight.

[Francis]

Oh, my God, it can be so far.

[Ron]

So what was the hack? Tell me that. What the hack was.

[Francis]

Oh, yeah. So the hack is, if you land at Terminal 5 and you don't want to get on the air train to get to the place where you have to take the Ubers. You go into the TWA Hotel, which is connected to the terminal, and you call an Uber to the hotel, and it comes in three minutes, and then you get in an Uber right there. There.

[Harry]

I like that a lot. That's sneaky. We might have to cut that out.

[Francis]

I know.

[Ron]

Excuse me, sir, where's the TWA Hotel? I'm but a tourist. They take you right there and you're. Oh, my God. That's brilliant.

[Francis]

My parents stayed at that hotel, and they said it was really cool. It's sort of in the style of, like, the 1950s. It's very. Yeah, well. And funky inside.

[Harry]

Yeah, I've heard of a. I've heard that it's, like, sick. Like, it's.

[Francis]

All the room. All the rooms are smoking rooms.

[Ron]

Is that true? That's not true.

[Francis]

No, it's not. But there's a lava lamp, and the. And the beds rotate.

[Ron]

Seems very 60s. Very red, too.

[Harry]

All the bed frames are like planes.

[Ron]

I have another. I have another hack for terminal five to. To beat the. The lines and LaGuardia.

[Harry]

You.

[Ron]

Yeah, that's actually a way better one. But it's when you're walking out, and then a guy in a leather jack comes up to you, and he's like, dexie. And you. You ride with him.

[Harry]

That.

[Ron]

And you take your life into your hands, and he'll get you there in onethird of the time.

[Harry]

Yeah. And then he'll be like. He'll look you. And he'll look at you and tell you it's $500.

[Francis]

But you. You determine.

[Ron]

Determine the price beforehand. You show them what it is on Uber, and you're like, it's 65 on Uber. I'll give you 65 to take. To take this.

[Harry]

65. Oh, because, see, you guys are going back to Brooklyn.

[Francis]

Yeah.

[Harry]

My prices are, like, 150 to get that from JFK.

[Francis]

It's the same now here.

[Ron]

Yeah, it's probably. Yeah, yeah.

[Francis]

Over a hundred bucks. It's outrageous. I don't. I would say Uber to JFK ever.

[Harry]

I was saying to my friends, I was like, it's hard to even, like, tell people that, like, New York.

[Francis]

Oh.

[Harry]

Like, New York's not as expensive as everyone says, because the second they get here, they're. They got to eat the price of the flight that it cost them to get here just to get to my apartment.

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[Ron]

That's why Bo is taking public transit.

[Harry]

Yeah. He took the bus from LaGuardia.

[Ron]

That's probably not that bad unless you have a ton of bags.

[Harry]

No, it's like a bus to the train and then whole thing. I think he also only had, like, a backpack, so. But you really can't. Like, there's. You can't take public trans. Yeah. Like, if you have, like, checked luggage, you're getting 200 bones.

[Francis]

Yeah.

[Ron]

It's a rich man's game.

[Francis]

It is.

[Ron]

I heard what you got to do is you fly to the TSA hotel instead of New York. And the best.

[Harry]

The cheapest way I'll say about planes, but have you guys done this?

[Ron]

Please don't make it the last thing.

[Harry]

Have you guys heard about this? I. I got hit up a bunch after we recorded the episode where I talked about my problem with Delta and. And I talked about switching over to United. Did you guys know United does a. A status match?

[Francis]

Yeah, so does Delta.

[Harry]

But I. I know, but I'm switching away from Delta.

[Francis]

Yeah. They'll only do it for that year, though.

[Harry]

Yeah, but I mean, you only have it for a year.

[Francis]

Sure.

[Ron]

So you have your chance to earn the status on if you go to United. And what, you have to leave Delta completely?

[Harry]

Do you have to, like, close your Delta account? Switch over to United and why close the.

[Ron]

Close the account.

[Francis]

Don't.

[Harry]

I mean, I'm sure you could make another one, but why? They want to make sure they're getting. They want to make sure they're getting your 100%.

[Francis]

They're trying to take you as a client. Yeah.

[Ron]

Is that interesting?

[Harry]

And I think I'm doing it. I think I'm gonna. I got a meeting. I got a call after this with some guys over at United. We're going to talk logistics.

[Ron]

Fly a different flight with United just because you got honey potted. They probably knew you were on the fence and so they put that 777 in front of you. So you were laying down for the hour and a half and a half it took to go from Chicago to New New York.

[Harry]

We'll see. All I know is that right now, just to see. I will. I will. Before you decide, I'm flying Delta tomorrow, going back to Massachusetts, but because, dude.

[Ron]

You were telling me that the TSA line is chalked at LaGuardia and that you don't even. You're giving up your TSA status. I though I went through the tsa. There wasn't a single human being there there. Yeah, exactly. So that's why you can't be giving it up just because you had one bad experience.

[Harry]

I'm over it. And I've. I've seen enough. I've heard enough. Delta is over.

[Ron]

You will not be able to come back. Dude, Delta's going to make over 50% of their profit on premium seats this year. I think it's 53% of their profit on premium seats. First class. The whole plan is first class. No, it's not.

[Francis]

Them.

[Harry]

They're stealing the money right out of your wallet and you don't even know.

[Ron]

Don't tell me I'm wrong for making this my personality. Dude, don't make me rethink this.

[Harry]

United has a better fleet. They have a much better fleet.

[Ron]

And don't. They don't, though.

[Harry]

They have a way better fleet.

[Ron]

That's not vetted.

[Harry]

They have better flights. Oh, my God. And have you guys been to terminal C or terminal B?

[Ron]

I'm never gonna be there. You'll never see me there.

[Harry]

It's like walking through the golden gates.

[Ron]

Yeah. Newark is terrible.

[Francis]

Newark is trash.

[Harry]

Oh, you haven't been to the new terminal at. At new.

[Francis]

I was just there. I was just there last.

[Harry]

Every gate is a three minute walk away, Harry.

[Francis]

Let me tell you something. Let me tell you what happened to me. I had an early flight. I had an 8am flight out of Newark last week. Okay.

[Harry]

Okay.

[Francis]

I get there. I haven't had my coffee because I figure I'll have. It'll be easy to get a cup of coffee at the airport, right? It's probably the easiest thing you could get at the airport.

[Ron]

Yeah.

[Francis]

I go into that central flight food emporium that they've got there. That triangle shaped central food emporium. Do you know what I'm talking about?

[Harry]

Of course. Yeah.

[Francis]

Okay. There is one cafeteria coffee shop. I go over and I say, hi, I'd like a latte. And they said, oh, we. We can't make espresso drinks. I said, but you've got an espresso machine. She said, it's not working. I said, okay.

[Ron]

She said, I don't know how.

[Francis]

What can you make? And she said, we've got drip coffee. And I was like, is this a prison? Is this a. Is this like a school PTA meeting?

[Harry]

Yeah, I think the thing at United, we don't like to spend a lot of the money on like the. The gizmos and the gadgets in the terminal. We want to spend the money on the floor fleet, the actual fleet itself.

[Francis]

Well, you gotta have it all.

[Harry]

We're trying to prioritize luxury in the sky rather than luxury in the waiting area, brother.

[Ron]

Can't you have both, dude? Why. Why not both?

[Harry]

Well, Delta surely doesn't have both. They don't even have one.

[Ron]

You had one bad experience where you were nasty too.

[Harry]

You can go to the Soup Kitchen at LaGuardia. That's always a good time. Truly. I mean, it's like you're spending. How much money does it cost to get to diamond? Diamond?

[Ron]

$28,000.

[Harry]

$28,000?

[Francis]

Well, no, that's not.

[Harry]

There's to get like ice cold.

[Ron]

There's other ways. There's other ways to get there.

[Harry]

It's over. I'm telling you guys.

[Francis]

You could use one of your diamond sort of choice medallion things. You get up with like a 5000 MQD.

[Ron]

And you can get MQD bonuses as the program from within it. It's a pyramid scheme.

[Harry]

Reaching.

[Francis]

Oh, not reaching. You either know how to do it or you don't. And you don't know how to do it.

[Harry]

In fact, Harry, I know you're trying to catch anything.

[Francis]

You're not going to reach like North Pole Explorer status on fucking United next year either. Whatever the fuck that dumbass.

[Ron]

Right. It's going to be the same incentive structure to get up to North Pole.

[Harry]

It's a much. It's a much more fair. I've. We've been. I've talked to a couple reps. What? The reps talked to United. Guy. Guys, I can't really. I don't really want to be sharing this information.

[Ron]

Wouldn't you want us to come over.

[Harry]

With you playing for the competitor?

[Francis]

Yeah.

[Ron]

Because it's a bad package. You don't. You're not equipped to say it out loud. Wouldn't you want us to join you.

[Harry]

In the future on this podcast when we're talking Airlines treat Delta the way you would treat other competiting brands. I don't even want their name coming up.

[Ron]

I'm not going to bring it up like another competitive brand.

[Harry]

Say that airline fly. Competing. Competing airlines.

[Francis]

Do you even know what the names of the tiers on United are?

[Harry]

No, but it's like. I think it's like rocks. It's like, like, I don't know. I think like the highest is obsidian.

[Ron]

It's landlocked.

[Francis]

Imagine if I have higher status on United than here. He does this year.

[Harry]

Well, you definitely do. I don't fly United.

[Francis]

What do you mean?

[Harry]

I've only flown it like a couple times.

[Francis]

Mileage plus. Where am I at? I have. I have Premier Silver. That's all I've got.

[Harry]

Yikes.

[Ron]

Premier Silver's got to be. You walk in the door with that, right? That's off name recognition alone.

[Francis]

You got to kind of do a little bit of work.

[Ron]

How many miles do you have over there, brother?

[Harry]

On United? Yeah, I don't think I have any. I know. Let's see.

[Ron]

I'm a member.

[Francis]

86, 680 miles.

[Ron]

86,000.

[Harry]

16K.

[Ron]

4,000. I'm loyal as hell.

[Harry]

Explore both ancient and modern architecture.

[Francis]

All I've never used. I've never used a single thing to get status. I've never used a United mile ever. Ever.

[Harry]

Does Delta have direct flights to Tokyo?

[Ron]

Yes, yes, actually, yes, they do.

[Francis]

They do through Detroit.

[Harry]

Sure about that?

[Ron]

But that's through Detroit. That's not the road.

[Francis]

Minnesota, 45 minutes away. Where. Where does you. You're telling me United has a direct flight to Tokyo from Newark from every.

[Harry]

From everywhere.

[Francis]

No way.

[Harry]

Logan, New York, Philly, Baltimore. I almost took a flight from Baltimore to Tokyo this weekend.

[Francis]

I. I don't know.

[Ron]

We have the United apps open. We all have the United app open right now. Let. I mean I, we. I could corroborate. I could disprove this right now.

[Harry]

The longest flight that Delta has is from.

[Ron]

I know this answer, bro. It's to. It's from Atlanta to Johannesburg.

[Harry]

I'm pretty sure it's from New York to Atlanta. That's the longest direct flight Delta has.

[Francis]

The tiers are Silver, Gold, platinum and premier 1K.

[Harry]

Silver, gold, platinum and premiere.

[Ron]

Premiere 1.

[Francis]

They're all premier Silver, Premier Gold, Premier platinum and premier one.

[Harry]

How much better does Premiere 1K sound than diamond?

[Ron]

You can't even get a diamond for less.

[Francis]

Why would it go. Why would it go silver, gold, platinum 1000?

[Harry]

That's just how we do that.

[Francis]

Doesn't make any fucking sense at all.

[Harry]

Oh, sorry, I'm Premiere.

[Francis]

That's like telling me someone that the, the judo belts go from white, blue, black, lobster claw.

[Harry]

I think the problem here is, is.

[Francis]

That completely different metric. What, what, what measurement? What does that even mean? 1k. 1k what? What?

[Harry]

Just 1k 60?

[Ron]

No, their platinum sounds like a wide receiver's Instagram. What is it again? Say what it is.

[Harry]

1K.

[Ron]

Yeah, that definitely sounds like AJ Brown's Instagram gamer handle.

[Francis]

Yeah.

[Ron]

Yeah.

[Harry]

I just think, I think you guys are holding on to the hope that you're one day going to be 360 and I don't think it's going to happen.

[Ron]

Francis, I hate to break it to you, you. They do not have direct flights or they do have it on. On United. They have. That's newer to.

[Francis]

It's truly.

[Harry]

It's fascinating what we're doing over at United right now.

[Francis]

That's amazing. That is amazing.

[Ron]

Business class.

[Harry]

Proud.

[Ron]

10,500.

[Francis]

I will say I flew home from Johannesburg to Newark on United in their whatever Polaris suite or their seats or whatever. And it was spectacular. It was, it was a brand new plane. Like I had to, I had to pull the plastic off the screen in front of.

[Harry]

Exactly, exactly. That's what I'm telling you. At United we're getting, they're getting a better fleet. But you sit first class at United. You're. It's like you're in your own like room. Delta, it's like the seat is 3 inches bigger than coach.

[Francis]

I don't.

[Ron]

That can't be true. That can't be true.

[Harry]

They're walking around with. You want an orange juice before we take off? No. Why the would I want that?

[Ron]

You want some sugar? You want your anxiety spiked? 10%. You guys want to bounce?

[Harry]

Francis is typing in the chat saying that he has to go. Go.

[Francis]

Don't put it on me. You said I have to go.

[Harry]

I'm fully. I mean, we can end it. We've been going for an hour 40.

[Ron]

Yeah, we're good.

[Harry]

We're good to go. But hilarious that you're sending it in the chat.

[Francis]

My dad just came out and was.

[Harry]

Like, yeah, yeah, I get it.

[Francis]

How much time?

[Harry]

Yeah, no, that makes sense. Hour 40 is a long time. We have our 40s. Like, they're starting to wonder what's going on.

[Ron]

Yeah. Dave's here at gunpoint. Not again.

[Harry]

Not again.

[Francis]

I've ruined the family plans for the day, let's put it that way.

[Harry]

Yeah, that's tough.

[Ron]

Get out there. You probably have more sunlight than we do up up here in the great northeast.

[Harry]

Yeah, it's about 2:30, so it should be getting dark any minute.

[Ron]

All right.

[Francis]

Happy Thanksgiving, boys.

[Harry]

Happy Thanksgiving. Everybody.

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