Coach Jon Gruden | Son of a Boy Dad #415

Summary

Son of a Boy Dad #415: Coach Jon Gruden

Date: July 2, 2026
Guest: Jon Gruden
Hosts: Barstool Sports (Rone, Lil Sasquatch, Francis Ellis, Frank the Tank)

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Episode Overview

This episode of Son of a Boy Dad features former NFL coach Jon Gruden joining the Barstool team for a lively, wide-ranging conversation. The crew covers topics from golf tournaments to NFL behind-the-scenes, travel quirks, locker room stories, comedy, and Gruden’s post-NFL life. The conversation is packed with humor, candid reflections, and classic Gruden storytelling—perfect for anyone seeking both comedy and genuine insight on sports, life, and being “rudderless” post-college.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Golf Stories & Tournament Pressure (02:56–07:31, 23:56–25:48)

• Opening Banter: Conversation jumps in with tales of cruise ship food (“Every meal is a trough,” [03:00]) and quickly pivots to recounting a recent golf tournament.
• Pressure of Competition: Gruden discusses playing with Barstool personalities and pro athletes in high-stakes, money-on-the-line tournaments. The crew jokes about team dynamics, nerves, and stand-out performances.
• Relatability: Gruden is candid about imposter syndrome when facing elite players.

  “I'm like, what the are we doing here? We don't belong there.” — Jon Gruden [04:21]

• Golf vs. Football Pressure: Rone asks Gruden to compare nerves in golf tourneys to NFL game days.

  “I mean, you run out there on the field, you see the Ravens coming out of the tunnel ... and then all of a sudden, you're out there in an Appalachian mountain ... and you’ve got to make a three foot putt ... you can’t blame anybody.” — Jon Gruden [25:26–25:48]

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2. Hip Surgery, Health, and Aging as an Athlete (05:21–06:07, 37:55–38:14)

• Aging in Sports: The group chats about surgeries and joint replacements—an unavoidable discussion among athletes and ex-athletes.
• Advances in Medical Tech: Gruden highlights how surgeries, like hip replacements, have evolved, and Jonas jokes about “bionic” body parts.

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3. Cameo, NFL Fallout, and Personal Reputation (08:25–08:54)

• Rebounding from Scandal: Gruden opens up about going dark after NFL ousting, saying Cameo helped him reconnect and realize fans didn’t all hate him.
• Notable Quote:

  “It kind of helped rehab me, my conscience a little bit.” — Jon Gruden [08:54]

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4. Barstool Dynamics, Travel, and High/Low Maintenance (16:28–21:12)

• Private Travel Controversy: Barstool’s infamous “First Class List” gets a retelling. Rone describes being demoted after a C-suite complaint, and Gruden’s humility—flying Southwest—sparks a discussion about efficiency vs. status.
• Maintenance Philosophy: Gruden’s take:

  “I really don't care how I fly. Honestly, I'm low maintenance. Well, that's no maintenance.” — Jon Gruden [19:46]

• Wine Snobbery: Gentle ribbing over wine preference, with Gruden admitting to Napa vineyard indulgences when he coached the Raiders.

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5. Coach Lifestyle, Family, and Work-Life Balance (22:12–23:36)

• Sacrifices of Coaching: Gruden reflects on the grind—long hours, missed family time, and the importance of being present when possible.

  “When you're home, when you're there with your kids, be there when you're there. You know what I mean? Don't be elsewhere.” — Jon Gruden [23:12]

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6. NFL Stories, Philly Days, and Fan Culture (41:14–47:05)

• Rowdy Philadelphia: Wild stories from Gruden's time coaching in Philly, including confronting aggressive fans and the infamous "Veterans Stadium jail.”
• Notable Anecdote:

  “There's a jail underneath the stadium because the fans were ... such ... You talk about going to this, going early, right? As a coach. ... I see a cat as big as Sasquatch. Then ... the cats eat the rats. You want rats or cats?” — Jon Gruden [42:41]

• Media Criticism: Gruden admits he listened to sports talk radio to gauge the mood, not just for ego but for situational awareness:

  "Just to have an idea what the temp ... temperature was out there. ... Your players listen to it ... your coaches listen to it, so you can't be naive to it." — Jon Gruden [46:42]

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7. NFL Roster Turnover & Super Bowl Hangover (31:32–32:30)

• Gruden discusses why Super Bowl-losing teams regress and how rapid turnover impacts on-field results.

  “The turnover on the NFL rosters these days is unbelievable. ... It’s unbelievable how many new coaches and new players are on all these teams." — Jon Gruden [32:10]

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8. Locker Room Camaraderie, Coaching Tree, and Future Coaching Dreams (48:34–49:21)

• Barstool Talent Recruiting: Jokes about hiring Barstool guys as coaches or assistants if Gruden ever takes another job.
• Coaching Tree: Gruden humbly deflects credit when reminded his staff included future NFL head coaches like McVay, Shanahan, and Tomlin.

  “That’s what makes you want to come back someday and coach again.” — Jon Gruden [49:12]

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9. Travel & Foreign Adventures: Japan Steakhouse Tale (54:03–55:02)

• Tokyo NFL Trip: Gruden recounts a team steakhouse outing in Japan with a $14,000 bill, massive aquariums, and lobster excess.
• Societal Observations: Struck by Tokyo’s cleanliness and orderliness—no billboards, everyone lines up, and nobody bends the rules.

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10. Comedy and the Mental Side of Performance (38:28–42:02)

• Comedy/Football Parallels: Comparing bombing on stage to game-day failures, the group gets honest about the stinging but formative nature of big public letdowns.
• Fan Heckling & Support: Gruden recounts being razzed by Philly fans and getting a confidence boost from legendary coach Dick Vermeil after a bad game.

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Memorable Quotes & Moments

• On first-class travel:

  “People cited that you, Jon Gruden, multi-billionaire, decorated NFL coach, Super Bowl winner, was humble enough to fly Southwest..."
  —Rone, leading to Gruden’s “I really don't care how I fly" philosophy [18:05]

• On athlete hygiene:

  “He doesn't use any soap. He's anti-soap in the shower.” —Jon Gruden [11:12]

• On Super Bowl emotions:

  “You're probably, you know, thanking the man upstairs. ... The ambition, the effort that he's put into his coaching career, and to be able to say, you're there in a Super Bowl ... it's overwhelming, you know, the stage.” —Jon Gruden on Nick Sirianni crying during the anthem [26:37]

• On Cameo and post-NFL connections:

  “I went dark for like two or three years after getting released by the NFL ... What it did was it let me know that people still don’t all hate me.” —Jon Gruden [08:25]

• On the Philly gig:

  “First game we play Tampa Bay, they come in and kick our ass ... next day it was boy blunder.” —Jon Gruden [45:48]
  “He drove me over there and he gave me about a 15 minute pep talk ... that was a turning point.” —John Gruden, on Dick Vermeil’s support after a tough game [45:59]

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Timestamps for Notable Segments

• Golf Tournament & Camaraderie – 03:38–07:31, 23:56–25:48
• Cameo & Post-NFL Life – 08:25–08:54
• Travel, “First Class List,” and High-Maintenance Talk – 16:28–21:12
• Philly Stories & Veterans Stadium – 41:14–47:05
• Super Bowl Pressure and Emotion – 25:03–27:24
• Locker Room Comedy / Bombing on Stage – 38:28–42:02
• Japan Steakhouse Story – 54:03–55:02
• Coaching Tree & NFL Roster Changes – 32:10–33:20, 48:34–49:21

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Original Tone & Language (Preserved)

The episode is energetic, irreverent, filled with banter, and Gruden’s classic self-deprecation. The hosts bring humor and authenticity, drawing on inside jokes, personal stories, and a relaxed atmosphere. Gruden matches their style with open candor, coach-like encouragement, and lots of laughs.

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This episode is chock-full of funny anecdotes, rare NFL insights, and a look at Gruden’s life off the field. The conversations about masculinity, humility, and what it takes to “make it” are particularly poignant for listeners navigating their own uncertain transitions. If you missed the episode, this summary ensures you don’t miss the best stories, quotes, or wisdom bombs.

Transcript

[Jon Gruden]

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[Ronan]

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[Jon Gruden]

When you see some of those rooms on, like a Carnival cruise, oh, God, it's just like.

[John Gruden]

You're like a prison. Ships have 6,000 people on, right?

[Jon Gruden]

Yeah.

[John Gruden]

Yeah. Every meal. Every meal is a trough as much as they can and drinking as much as they can.

[Jon Gruden]

A buffet on a cruise sound.

[John Gruden]

They call you Sasquatch.

[Ronan]

Can we say

[Jon Gruden]

here, let's just get going. Let's just get going because the cruise talk is going to go the SAS task. Watch that.

[John Gruden]

That.

[Jon Gruden]

That all plays. All of it plays. You know, when you start talking about cruises, I was like, I wanted to save that too.

[Ronan]

Yeah, definitely, John.

[Barstool Sports Representative]

Cruising.

[John Gruden]

Yeah. I got to get ready for that tournament, though.

[Jon Gruden]

He said he played 81 holes last weekend. Last weekend over two days.

[John Gruden]

Didn't you win it?

[Ronan]

I did. Won it last year. Yeah.

[John Gruden]

How much did you take home?

[Ronan]

350 before taxes.

[John Gruden]

How great is that?

[Ronan]

Yeah, pretty good.

[Frank the Tank]

Solid payday.

[Ronan]

Yeah.

[John Gruden]

We opened up against the guy that was in the Masters, me and Biz.

[Jon Gruden]

Yeah.

[Ronan]

He was the. My teammate that I won it with.

[John Gruden]

How good was he?

[Ronan]

Brad Dahlke, best player in the whole

[Jon Gruden]

time he was in the Masters.

[John Gruden]

I hit a hybrid on the, like, the second or third holes along par three, and I hit it about 12ft from the hole. Me and Biz are high five. And hey, we're talking, you know, he knocks his four feet, we miss our putt, he birdies it, and then he hits the next par four. He drives the green.

[Jon Gruden]

Yes.

[Ronan]

I know that.

[John Gruden]

We're four down after five holes.

[Jon Gruden]

Yeah.

[John Gruden]

And I'm like, what the are we doing here? We don't belong there. Then I had to play my next match with Quan. Oh, yeah, it overslept.

[Jon Gruden]

Oh, yeah. But you gave a nice speech for that.

[John Gruden]

I gave. I hit a couple good shots.

[Ronan]

Just bring that. Bring that mic in close. I like what Everything you're saying.

[Jon Gruden]

Oh, that guy Quan, he. He overslept and. But then what did Whitney say? He was like, give us, like, give us a little bit of speech. And they put some, like, some music behind it. What'd you say? What'd you say to them?

[John Gruden]

I don't know. Whit was. He was pissed. You know, he's a first pick, first round draft choice in hockey.

[Jon Gruden]

Yeah.

[Frank the Tank]

I'm like, this dude, his golf game struggling though, is it?

[John Gruden]

Oh, yeah, he just knocked one in. I played with the Chiclets. He hold one out. I saw that 75 yards. These hockey guys are slamming into each other. I had to duck. I'm Like, I already had my hip replaced.

[Ronan]

I.

[John Gruden]

Pretty soon I'm gonna get my neck replaced.

[Ronan]

My mom had her hip replaced a week ago.

[John Gruden]

Really?

[Ronan]

Yeah.

[John Gruden]

Still her to do the rehab.

[Ronan]

I know.

[John Gruden]

And it's an unbelievable.

[Ronan]

Yeah.

[John Gruden]

Unbelievable progress they made improving that surgery. My God.

[Jon Gruden]

Really?

[John Gruden]

Yeah.

[Jon Gruden]

What. What kind of progress? Because what does it come from? Nerve pain. Like, you. You have, like. You get arthritis in your hip, and then that's what. What causes a hip replacement?

[John Gruden]

Well, it could be trauma. You got hurt on it. It could be just a number of things, really.

[Jon Gruden]

I only ask because I got a. I got a meniscus right now, and they're saying we could either repair up the meniscus or there's a chance that we might have to take it out. But then in 30 years, you might need the replacement because it's going to be bone on bone and you'll get arthritis in the knee. And so that's. But they're like. But in 30 years, there might be such good technology that, you know, it's

[John Gruden]

got a whole new knee.

[Jon Gruden]

Yeah. It might be bionic. You know, my pitcher from rookie of the year.

[John Gruden]

Nice shoes you get, man.

[Ronan]

What did you think about Luke Kwan sleeping in? How. What was your honest take on that?

[John Gruden]

You know, after being in pro sports, you know, I can't say that I'm shocked. You know, a lot of these guys are flying in from all over the world.

[Ronan]

Sure.

[John Gruden]

Not to make excuses, but they're at the party the night before, they're on a different time zone.

[Jon Gruden]

Yeah.

[John Gruden]

They're in a strange bed. Shit happens. I wasn't totally shocked. I was kind of surprised he was the only one.

[Ronan]

Well, that's a very generous attitude.

[Jon Gruden]

Did you want to break his balls? Did you want to, like, get, like, lay into him like old coach?

[John Gruden]

I was a basket case. Really. I knew I was gonna have to play against the guy that was in the Masters, and I'm like, holy shit, why am I here at this tournament? I'm not even in the same league as these guys.

[Jon Gruden]

Yeah, but you were in the same bun as Francis, though, were you guys?

[John Gruden]

Francis won the whole damn thing.

[Jon Gruden]

But did he snore when you guys were sharing car or, like, you know, you guys were in the same. Didn't you guys live together?

[Ronan]

Oh, we were in a house that.

[Barstool Sports Representative]

Our.

[Ronan]

Our rooms were opposite ends of the house.

[John Gruden]

Let me ask you this. Is that not one of the greatest places you've ever stayed?

[Ronan]

Unbelievable. Yeah.

[John Gruden]

I mean, can you imagine a better golf trip than that place? No, I can't it's carved this golf course. There's like four of them carved into the Appalachian Mountains.

[Jon Gruden]

That's sick.

[Barstool Sports Representative]

That's pretty sick.

[John Gruden]

And the lodges are like. You have to see it to believe it. But I would. I would go there every year if I had a chance.

[Ronan]

I remember waking up to the dulcet tones of you cranking out cameos.

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Yeah.

[John Gruden]

Well, that's my time of year. Because it's August.

[Ronan]

Yeah.

[John Gruden]

And everybody's doing their fantasy football drafts.

[Ronan]

Yeah.

[Jon Gruden]

Yeah.

[John Gruden]

And I take that serious.

[Ronan]

Oh, I believe it.

[John Gruden]

I mean, there's 10 teams, 16 teams. They want me to randomly pull the names out of the hat.

[Ronan]

Yeah.

[John Gruden]

And then some people send me statistics. They send me something to say, like, tell Roan he's a piece of shit.

[Frank the Tank]

Yeah.

[John Gruden]

I try to not, you know, swear and use a lot of profanity, but I have a lot of fun doing that.

[Ronan]

What? What. What's like the. It sounds like you get into it. I mean, what is the level of detail where the price isn't worth it for you? Like, do you mind if I ask what your rate is for those?

[John Gruden]

My rate changes? Really? The guy that manages my account, he just sees what's coming in, and if you know there's too many, he raises the price a little bit, but.

[Ronan]

Nice.

[John Gruden]

I've just enjoyed it. I went dark for like two or three years after getting released by the NFL, and this guy Shane from Cameo kept calling me, asking me, they're persistent. So I said, no, no, no, no. And finally says, just try it. So I tried it. And it. What it did was it let me know that people still don't all hate me. You know what I mean? People were actually, hey, grew, do this, do that.

[Jon Gruden]

Did you feel like people hated you?

[John Gruden]

Well, you know, I was in a dark place for a while.

[Jon Gruden]

Really? That must have sucked.

[John Gruden]

That was tough place, man. But anyways, this cameo, it kind of helped rehab me my conscience a little bit.

[Jon Gruden]

You're good at cameos. But there's one person at this company that's first team all Cameo, Absolute genius. Adam, you know who I'm talking about? Oh, he's your trivia female.

[Frank the Tank]

Yes.

[Jon Gruden]

Frank.

[John Gruden]

Frank. Frank the Tank. Yeah.

[Frank the Tank]

That's his full time job.

[John Gruden]

Yeah, he loves it.

[Jon Gruden]

Yeah, he'll do like a thousand a year. Like, he cranks out cameos. He'll just like start screaming at his phone. You can't tell if the Mets lost or he's just doing a cameo.

[John Gruden]

You know, with him and Malasek. I'm the head coach of this Gruden Grinder fantasy tribute team.

[Jon Gruden]

Yeah.

[John Gruden]

And it is kind of like managing LeBron and Michael Jordan. You know, these are the two stars. And they'll fight over who has the right answer because, you know, they keep track of stats. Like, how many points did you score? Yeah, they're both. I got that. You know.

[Jon Gruden]

Yeah, they both want it.

[John Gruden]

There's only one ball who's.

[Jon Gruden]

Who's tougher to coach. Was it. Would it be like. Like a Charles Woodson or. And a Warren Sapp or Frank the Tank And Malasek.

[John Gruden]

Malasak missed his flight yesterday.

[Ronan]

Oh, no.

[John Gruden]

So he's becoming a little bit of high maintenance. Full. Full of himself. That's brutal.

[Ronan]

Luke Quani. Huh?

[John Gruden]

Little Luke Quan in them. I mean, Quan and Malisek.

[Ronan]

There you go.

[John Gruden]

They should be here for your next episode. How the hell do sleep? I don't know.

[Jon Gruden]

Would you. Would you. Will you break his balls if he oversleeps? Would you, like, ream him out? Would you, like. When was the last time you yelled at somebody like that?

[Frank the Tank]

Jake specifically?

[John Gruden]

I try not to do that. These guys, you know, they. They've come through. They've really been clutch.

[Ronan]

So Jake had a moment a long time ago that reverberated through the interwebs of Barstool where they were asking him about whether or not he wanted to hang out with women socially. And he said, not really. You know, I don't really see the point of talking to women at bars or whatever. I'd much rather just be home by myself.

[Frank the Tank]

I think he wants to hang out with the boys. He wants hang out with his boys.

[Ronan]

Is that what it was?

[Frank the Tank]

I think that's what it was.

[Ronan]

Okay. Yeah, too.

[John Gruden]

That he was not using soap. I heard that as well. I think that's why Dave sent Malisek down with me. Let's say that guy brooded.

[Jon Gruden]

Yeah. He wasn't using soap. He's anti soap in the shower.

[Frank the Tank]

Like, not. Like, I don't shampoo. Like, not. He doesn't use any soap.

[Ronan]

So he's just. He's just going pure water, I guess.

[John Gruden]

I haven't asked that. I mean, I haven't gone that close to it, but I do have a very keen sense of smelling. You would think you would smell, you know, body odor if the guy wasn't. Yeah, yeah, I. I've been.

[Frank the Tank]

I mean, he must be showering in, like, boiling hot water.

[Jon Gruden]

I don't know, man.

[Frank the Tank]

It's actually cleaning.

[John Gruden]

Why do they call you the Sasquatch?

[Frank the Tank]

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Jon Gruden]

Answer the damn Question.

[John Gruden]

No one really called.

[Frank the Tank]

I mean, I gave it to myself when I was in, like, middle school. It was my gamertag on PlayStation.

[John Gruden]

Oh, really?

[Frank the Tank]

Yeah.

[John Gruden]

Yeah.

[Frank the Tank]

And then I didn't want to. When I was in high school, I was doing a lot of, like, Internet stuff, and I didn't want to, like, hurt my chances of, like, going to college, so I made that my name. I didn't use my real name, but then I didn't end up really going to college, so it didn't matter.

[Jon Gruden]

And then he started doing stand up comedy. And then for the first couple of years of stand up comedy, he would go on stage and they'd have to be like, coming to the stage next. Little Sasquatch.

[John Gruden]

I love it, man. He. We did a thing called the Pink Pony Club. Yeah, exactly.

[Ronan]

Yeah.

[Frank the Tank]

Of course.

[John Gruden]

We were sitting there in that chair.

[Frank the Tank]

I didn't do anything.

[Jon Gruden]

They had you do the heavy lifting on that one. Like, we're going to need you to sing, dance.

[John Gruden]

These guys are great, man.

[Frank the Tank]

That was. You were a professional. We.

[John Gruden]

We did it.

[Frank the Tank]

We were like, this is going to take a couple hours. He did the entire thing in, like, 10 minutes. Memorized every line.

[John Gruden]

Yeah.

[Frank the Tank]

It's impressive.

[Jon Gruden]

That's sick. That was that. You've probably done some commercials and stuff, though.

[John Gruden]

Acting wise, a few things. I mean, but these guys were fun to be around. I got to meet the girls, too. I got to meet Movie. Hannah Montoy is my favorite. Yeah, yeah. We were on that trivia game. And you know how you're allowed to call a friend?

[Jon Gruden]

You called her up.

[John Gruden]

I said, let's just call Hannah Montoya. I want to talk to Hannah.

[Jon Gruden]

You just wanted to chat.

[John Gruden]

I didn't care if she knew the answer.

[Jon Gruden]

Yeah, it was probably like a baseball question.

[Ronan]

Something she doesn't know.

[John Gruden]

She's my favorite barstool.

[Jon Gruden]

She doesn't know anything about. She's got a good podcast. Yeah. Does she micro. The micropod? She does, like, a short podcast. The length of the microwave.

[Ronan]

You know, Coach, I appreciate your positivity, but I just want you to know that this is a safe space and we like to just chum it up, talk some.

[John Gruden]

I like it.

[Ronan]

Whatever. You can absolutely feel free to not be happy about people or things.

[John Gruden]

I'm really good at that.

[Ronan]

Experiences you can cut to the core. You know, you don't have to, like. Like, we asked you about Luke Kwan. You're like, well, you know, I get it. It's hard. You don't have to qualify anything. Just let it fly.

[John Gruden]

Okay.

[Jon Gruden]

For example, for Example, the hotel that you're staying in, how is it?

[John Gruden]

It's different. Everything about that hotel is different.

[Ronan]

Yeah.

[Jon Gruden]

Where are you at?

[John Gruden]

I'm at the Moxie.

[Frank the Tank]

Oh, yeah. Tyler's there.

[John Gruden]

You check in and it's like you check into a bar. Like, where, Where's. Where do you check in? A guy goes right here, he gives you a poker chip. That's for a free drink.

[Frank the Tank]

Oh, yeah. I hate that.

[John Gruden]

I've never. I've never checked in. I got a free drink. Have you?

[Jon Gruden]

I guess so, but I never really. I don't know if I've ever cashed it in. I don't know if they're just trying to woo you to the bar just to get the. The good energy going. But I also saw some still images of the rooms, and it looks like the showers in the middle of the bed.

[Shelby Power Nitro Advertiser]

It is.

[John Gruden]

It really is. I mean, I'm showering. Overlooking the streets of Chicago. This could be interesting. Yeah. You know what I mean?

[Jon Gruden]

Yeah.

[John Gruden]

They could see, like, they tried to make the Moxie the exact opposite of every hotel I've ever been in. That's how I would explain it.

[Jon Gruden]

Yeah. It's different than the Four Seasons in Greece that you're telling us about.

[John Gruden]

Yeah.

[Ronan]

I just got back from a cruise in Greece, took the Four Seasons cruise. I mean, I want to hear. I want to hear about the most luxurious aspect of that.

[Jon Gruden]

Me and him are like luxury travel. Like, we are obsessed with that kind of.

[John Gruden]

You don't want. I don't want to leave the boat. That's how luxurious the boat was.

[Ronan]

Yeah.

[John Gruden]

You don't even feel one wave and you wake up and you're in the middle of the Alan Sea, and then the boat stops in the morning and you're in this beautiful Greek island. And I still don't want to leave the boat because the pool, the service, the room, the weight room, everything on the boat was better than anything I've ever been to.

[Jon Gruden]

That's so.

[John Gruden]

You know, it was that nice. Now it's. It's quite expensive. And I'm not really a world traveler. I mean, if I had it to do again, I would have just stayed at Clearwater Beach. I don't like to travel. I don't like flying. Flying out 15 freaking hours on a plane. Yeah. With some guy who won't lower his windows. Yeah. Yeah. You got two guys yakking for nine straight hours.

[Ronan]

Oh, boy.

[John Gruden]

And it's tough, man.

[Ronan]

It is.

[John Gruden]

Because I'm an irritable. I don't sleep that much.

[Stella Blue Coffee Advertiser]

No.

[John Gruden]

So I'm laying there like wide eyed and I'm in the conversation, you know what I mean?

[Jon Gruden]

Yeah. Disagreeing with somebody.

[John Gruden]

Yeah. Claustrophobia.

[Jon Gruden]

Yeah.

[John Gruden]

I hated the overseas NFL games. Hated them.

[Jon Gruden]

Where'd you guys play? England.

[Frank the Tank]

I hate those still.

[Ronan]

Huh?

[Frank the Tank]

Said I hate them still.

[John Gruden]

Yeah. London. Played in Tokyo.

[Jon Gruden]

Tokyo.

[John Gruden]

That's pretty season game in Tokyo.

[Ronan]

Are you. When you're flying over to Greece, what airline are you flying? That's the Germans. And you got, you got a nice business class seat for that I hope

[John Gruden]

I got a nice glass. I did. We went all out.

[Ronan]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. You're a.

[John Gruden]

We want. We. Let's do it.

[Ronan]

Do you know about the.

[Shelby Power Nitro Advertiser]

Do you.

[Ronan]

Did you happen to catch wind at all of the first class scandal at barstool sports? So I'll give you the quick breakdown there. There was a list created of employees

[John Gruden]

that were the Travel.

[Jon Gruden]

Yeah, travel. Yeah, yeah.

[Ronan]

That were meant to. When they traveled for barstool work were allocated to fly business class, first class, whatever. And then many people who were not and I was on that list. So by virtue of having been put on there by the golf group, because I travel with them and they travel first class. And our. One of our C suite guys, I think it was our C or chief revenue officer, something like that, wrote in a slack group that he thought it was total bullshit that I would be on the first class list. When you were flying Southwest, that was the straw that broke the camel's back and got me removed from the first class list. And all of this of course started because he was complaining about.

[Jon Gruden]

He said, he's like, how do I get on the list? He's like, he demanded to be on the list. And Francis and I were like, hey, like, you don't want to go down this. You're going to. It's a house of cards. And you're going to knock a lot of people off of the first class if you start like pulling cards out. So he started yanking out cards and now Francis is in seat 44B.

[Ronan]

But I guess the question is, you know, people cited that you. Jon Gruden, you know, multi billionaire, decorated NFL coach, Super bowl winner, was humble enough to fly Southwest when you fly

[John Gruden]

from Tampa to Chicago. And that's pretty much when I use the barstool flights. I'm flying from Tampa to Chicago. I would rather fly anywhere. I would rather go anywhere than o' Hare Airport.

[Ronan]

Yeah. So you go to the other one, Midway. Yeah.

[John Gruden]

And that's got to be a direct flight on Southwest.

[Ronan]

Yeah.

[John Gruden]

I would much rather Fly. Why?

[Jon Gruden]

What's wrong with o'? Hare?

[Frank the Tank]

O' Hare sucks.

[John Gruden]

Just getting. Getting from o' Hare to here. I got with an Uber guy. He went on the median. Did you ever see that?

[Ronan]

Yeah, I saw that. That drove me crazy.

[John Gruden]

I was scared to death, but I was happy he did it. It's an hour and a half drive sometimes.

[Ronan]

Yeah.

[Jon Gruden]

Yeah. The traffic is brutal.

[John Gruden]

It's brutal.

[Ronan]

I'll take. I take the. The. The light rail, the bar, the. Whatever it's called the. Just the train in. Because I like to save the company money.

[Jon Gruden]

That's not true. That can't be true.

[Frank the Tank]

I've never seen that.

[Jon Gruden]

Never heard.

[Ronan]

Oh, I've heard with you. Huh. Well, when I have another person, I think that, okay, now we can justify the Uber if at least there's two of us splitting it.

[Frank the Tank]

The train goes to the Loop.

[Ronan]

Yeah. That's usually where I'm staying.

[Frank the Tank]

I guess that makes sense. I usually just come straight to the

[Barstool Sports Representative]

office,

[Ronan]

but I do. So I guess my point is that you go to Midway and people thought this was Jon Gruden. Humble, Southwest, humble. Turns out it's more for efficiency sake.

[John Gruden]

Yeah, I really don't care how I fly. Honestly, I'm low maintenance. Well, that's no maintenance.

[Jon Gruden]

Yeah.

[John Gruden]

Honestly, I've coached guys with low maintenance, some maintenance and high maintenance, and it's a tough.

[Barstool Sports Representative]

It's hard.

[Jon Gruden]

Really.

[John Gruden]

I don't want to be any maintenance.

[Jon Gruden]

Yeah, whatever.

[John Gruden]

You think I'll stay wherever you say. You know what I mean?

[Frank the Tank]

Yeah.

[John Gruden]

I. I work with people that don't like this hotel. They don't like the food here, they don't like the car service.

[Jon Gruden]

Yeah.

[John Gruden]

And just shut up.

[Jon Gruden]

Yeah. Did you ever experience. Did you ever, like, dip your toe into being high maintenance? Were you ever, like, for, like. Let me see how it feels to, like, really, like, demand this, like, nice thing, this, like, car service, first class Ritz, Carl.

[John Gruden]

I mean, I started drinking Cabernets, you know, and I started looking at the bottle and saying, that's. That's kind of lackluster. Give me one of those Cayman, you know what I mean?

[Jon Gruden]

Okay.

[John Gruden]

The selfish indulgences every once in a while, but for the most part, I'm easy.

[Jon Gruden]

Is that your main indulgence, a wine? Because I remember we did that NFL draft show together, which was an absolute blast. Just a highlight, career moment for me to be able to sit there and do that with you. But afterwards, you got. You guys sat down, cracked a little bit of a bottle of wine.

[John Gruden]

You know, special occasions. You know, we Bring a couple of good bottles in.

[Jon Gruden]

Yeah.

[John Gruden]

And after the show's over, we celebrate a good night's hard work.

[Jon Gruden]

Do you remember what.

[Frank the Tank]

Why not?

[Jon Gruden]

Do you remember what you were drinking that night? It was a Caymus that night. This guy's a. This guy's an absolute wine genius over here.

[Ronan]

Oh, I'm just a snob. I'm just a snob.

[Barstool Sports Representative]

But I'll.

[Ronan]

I'll bring us some nice bottles to the Internet Invitational if you. If you would indulge with me.

[Jon Gruden]

Talk to him about some of those wines you were showing us at your house upstate. You were showing us some absolute heavy.

[Ronan]

Yeah, I've got some special occasion win, you know, some. Some nice Bordeaux. Some. Some, you know, first growths. And then also, you. Sounds like you like California cabs.

[John Gruden]

Well, when I was with the Raiders, we had training camp in Napa. I swear to God. So on the players day off, you know, every once in a while, my wife would come up and we'd go to the Camus Vineyard, or we'd go over here to Silver One. Yeah, I mean, they're all there.

[Ronan]

Yeah.

[John Gruden]

You know, and then I started thinking, maybe I'll get four or five bottles of that. And I got a nice little closet full of nice cabs.

[Jon Gruden]

That's nice. You ever duck out there with any of the players? You ever take Rich Gannon out there while you're up there? Or was it a coaches only or.

[John Gruden]

You're pretty much coaches. Pretty much my wife. You know, when you're in that business, there's not a lot of fraternizing, socializing. You're strict. You're working all the time. All the time. And when you do get one night off, I would usually have a hot date or something with my wife. We'd do something.

[Ronan]

Sounds like a really nice. Love that.

[Jon Gruden]

It's also, like, I feel like coaches. Nobody has a tougher schedule than coaches. I feel like the. The Eagles just hired a guy, Sean Manion, to be their offensive coordinator, and since it's his first year being the offensive coordinator, he's working from 5am till like, 11pm so he's just not seeing his family at all. And I feel like that's like, a common refrain for coaches. Did you feel like you saw a lot of that? Like the guys are just in the building exclusively?

[John Gruden]

Yeah, all the time.

[Jon Gruden]

And where does. Where's the family time get carved out in that?

[John Gruden]

There's this hard man. You have a great wife. The wife's got to raise the kids quite a bit. Yeah, my dad was a coach. My mom has a big say in who we are, you know, But I had the philosophy, you know, when you're home, when you're there with your kids, be there when you're there. You know what I mean? Don't be elsewhere. But it does make it hard to have a good golf game. That's the one thing about golf. I don't know about you, but it takes a lot of time.

[Ronan]

It's very frustrating how much you need to play in order to maintain a decent level.

[Barstool Sports Representative]

Yeah.

[John Gruden]

Like you said, you played 80 holes in one weekend.

[Ronan]

Yeah, well, I'm divorced.

[John Gruden]

That explains why you're able to do what you do.

[Jon Gruden]

Exactly.

[John Gruden]

My wife would look at me like, are you. You out of your mind? 80 holes?

[Ronan]

Yeah.

[John Gruden]

You know, but it's so many shots. Then you go play in a pressure tournament where a lot of money. They're talking 4 million bucks. Yeah. It's a ton of money, you know, and you're hitting an alternate shot tournament, and if you hit a bad shot, you're letting everybody down.

[Ronan]

Oh, yeah.

[John Gruden]

And I worry about that more than I do winning the damn tournament.

[Barstool Sports Representative]

Sure, sure.

[Ronan]

Totally, totally, absolutely.

[Frank the Tank]

Up.

[John Gruden]

Yeah.

[Ronan]

Yeah.

[Frank the Tank]

Because then no one's gonna tell you they're mad, but everyone's mad.

[John Gruden]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Jon Gruden]

Like when Frankie missed that shot and everybody had to be like, all right, Frankie, don't worry about it, Frankie.

[Ronan]

Nobody said a word at that point.

[John Gruden]

A lot of my respect when you won that.

[Ronan]

Thank you.

[John Gruden]

You made some shots. And that look, that's. That's pressure. And a lot of people. I feel pressure on the golf course.

[Jon Gruden]

Yeah.

[John Gruden]

A lot of people apply pressure. You know, they make shots. They make the other team make a shot. When you're out there and I'm not good enough to really walk up there confidently looking at that trap, looking at this green confidently making a shot, that pressure.

[Jon Gruden]

That's tough.

[John Gruden]

Tough, man.

[Jon Gruden]

Does it give. Does it, like, how high does the nerves get in comparison to before an NFL game? Obviously, you're going to have nerves, even as a coach, but how. How does it. Does it simulate that for you in your brain, or is it a completely different be beast. Way lower pressure because of the stakes being lower?

[John Gruden]

Yes, good question. But I think it's all relative. It's all similar, you know?

[Jon Gruden]

Yeah.

[John Gruden]

I mean, you run out there on the field, you see the ravens coming out of the tunnel, and the crowd's booing you. You get. And then all of a sudden, you're out there and freaking somewhere in some Appalachian mountain, and you Got to make a three foot putt.

[Frank the Tank]

Yeah.

[John Gruden]

I mean, with Dave Portnoy talking to you, you can't blame the quarterback. You can't blame anybody. You got to do it yourself.

[Ronan]

That's right.

[Jon Gruden]

Yeah.

[John Gruden]

And that's what. That's what's so great about that sport.

[Ronan]

Yeah.

[Jon Gruden]

You know, I was rewatching the couple Super Bowls ago is Eagles, Chiefs, Eagles lost that game. And I was rewatching the national anthem this weekend. Chris Stapleton sung a beautiful national anthem. But during the national anthem, they do a close up of Nick Siri Ballin. He feels the full pressure of the moment, and he's got tears, both eyes simultaneously streaking from both eyes. And I was just thinking about, like, the. What kind of like what's making him cry in that moment. Is it like a combination of the pressure or the culmination of, like, all of his wants through his entire life? What do you think it was for him in that moment? And did you ever. Did you ever break down and crack a tear out of your eye before a game or in a big moment?

[John Gruden]

When you get in a game like that, you're probably, you know, thanking the man upstairs for, you know, what a journey. Yeah. You look at Sirianni, where he started as a player, you know, the ambition, the effort that he's put in to his coaching career, and to be able to say, you're in there in a Super bowl and you're listening to Chris Stapleton saying, I had to. We had Celine Dion, we had Sting, Bon Jovi was at our game. I'm walking out there for the coin toss and Don Shula, Larry Zonka, the 17 and old dolphins are behind me.

[Ronan]

Holy.

[John Gruden]

And then Larry Zonka says, go get him, coach. I get on the headset, I go, hey, Jay. Larry Zonka knows my name. But it was. It's overwhelming, you know, the stage. You know, you say, I'm a part of this.

[Jon Gruden]

Yeah.

[John Gruden]

It's crazy, you know, a slappy like me from Dayton, you know, I'm sure Sirianni probably felt, you know, humbled.

[Ronan]

Yeah.

[John Gruden]

That this is really the culmination of a lot of hard work and if we could just win this. Some bitch. You know what I mean? But it's a great.

[Ronan]

I distinctly remember watching the super bowl you won with the Bucks.

[John Gruden]

Yeah.

[Ronan]

Rich Gannon had those ridiculous brown ear pads in his helmet. Quarterback for the Raiders.

[Jon Gruden]

Yeah. San Jose prep guy. Great guy.

[Ronan]

I think he won NFL MVP that year. Right. And. But it was your defensive, like, backs and. And that Tampa, too Yeah.

[Frank the Tank]

You like Baker? You a big Baker guy?

[John Gruden]

I. I did. I am Baker, man. I got to play golf with Baker in the Pro Am for the Valspar Tournament.

[Ronan]

Cool.

[John Gruden]

It was Governor DeSantis, Ronde Barber, Jordan Spieth, and Baker Mayfield. They made us play our own ball, and it was the longest round of golf. I quit after 13. I had to go back. We're filming our quarterback shows.

[Jon Gruden]

Really?

[John Gruden]

We got a guy flying in. I'm like, how many. How long are we going to wait to hit? You know? Because all these amateurs, they want to see what they can score on the course. That's really made up for these tour players. Yeah. And some of us take it way too serious, man.

[Jon Gruden]

Yeah. How are they? How is Desantis? How was. How was Baker? What were their games like?

[John Gruden]

Spieth was awesome. Yeah.

[Jon Gruden]

Yeah.

[John Gruden]

Caddy's a cool guy, too.

[Jon Gruden]

Really?

[John Gruden]

Yeah. Not a real big guy, you know, but he could thunder it. He could still hit it, man.

[Frank the Tank]

Oh, yeah.

[John Gruden]

But Baker's a good player. A little wild at times.

[Jon Gruden]

That makes sense.

[John Gruden]

Santis is good. He's. He's okay. He brought his little kid with him, so we really had a 6 him. But Ronde's a real good player.

[Jon Gruden]

That's it.

[John Gruden]

Barbara's good.

[Jon Gruden]

That's awesome.

[Frank the Tank]

What do you think of this? Is gonna be a little bit of a curveball. What do you think of Mac Jones? You Mac Jones guy?

[John Gruden]

Mac Jones 49er guy.

[Jon Gruden]

You're talking.

[John Gruden]

Oh, yeah, Yeah. I got to meet Mac. He's in the right spot.

[Frank the Tank]

Yeah, that's what I think.

[John Gruden]

Sam Darnold went to Minnesota, went to San Francisco, parked his. His bus there for a year and came out a better quarterback.

[Jon Gruden]

Yeah.

[John Gruden]

I think Mac Jones proven what he did last year coming in for Purdy. Yeah. Yeah. He'll get another shot. He'll be a starter again.

[Frank the Tank]

Yeah, I think so. I got a Mac Jones Patriots jersey that I'm holding on to, waiting for that price to increase.

[John Gruden]

Are you a Patriots fan?

[Ronan]

Yeah.

[Frank the Tank]

Yeah.

[John Gruden]

We all got serious problems.

[Jon Gruden]

Tell him, because he's trying to rub this A.J. brown trade in my face. He's trying to take a victory lap on A.J. brown getting traded up there. I think that's. It's a win, win trade. The Eagles get a first and get off of that big salary. And then the Patriots get a number one wide receiver for Drake May, a deep ball thrust.

[John Gruden]

That's how I see it, too. You know, when I was coaching, I took a lot of pride in helping veteran receivers kind of reinvent themselves. We got Irving Fryer in Philly.

[Jon Gruden]

Yeah.

[John Gruden]

He was 33, came over from Miami, played great. We got Joey Galloway from Dallas. He played great in Tampa.

[Jon Gruden]

Yeah.

[John Gruden]

We got Jerry Rice to come to the Raiders when he was 38, played great. Keenan McCardo helped us win a Super Bowl. We got him from Jacksonville. But I think AJ he needed to get out of Philly.

[Jon Gruden]

Why?

[John Gruden]

I just think that the karma of that team, they didn't look like they really even agreed. There wasn't something right going on there.

[Frank the Tank]

The reading. I think the reading.

[John Gruden]

But I think that's a run first offense.

[Jon Gruden]

Yeah.

[John Gruden]

I think they're going to go through Jalen and go through Saquon. That makes the tight end. They got Devontae Smith, right?

[Stella Blue Coffee Advertiser]

Yeah.

[John Gruden]

And he was standing over there as the X receiver on the backside of trips. McDaniels is going to put him in motion. He'll put him all over the field.

[Frank the Tank]

Oh, yeah.

[John Gruden]

Because New England is going to want to prove that they did the right thing. They're going to. They're going to go all out to get him a ton of catches, I think.

[Jon Gruden]

I mean, Diggs had a thousand yards last year.

[John Gruden]

That's right.

[Jon Gruden]

So in that offense, you can get a lot of targets. You can manufacture some stuff for them.

[John Gruden]

Get a great quarterback.

[Jon Gruden]

Yeah, he's a stud.

[John Gruden]

Guy's stud man.

[Jon Gruden]

Yeah.

[Frank the Tank]

What do you say? How do you think they're going to be good this year? I think they're going to be worse this year than they were last year, but I think they're going to be good still.

[John Gruden]

They're going to have a tougher schedule.

[Frank the Tank]

Their schedule is crazy.

[John Gruden]

A lot tougher. Yeah.

[Frank the Tank]

Like in week, like nine through 13, I think, or 15, it's like really, really hard.

[Jon Gruden]

Why do we always see a regression from teams that lose the Super Bowl? Why are those the most likely team? Or like, it's pretty consistent that they're regressing. It's not like they make it back. You're right there at the precipice and then you get back. It's usually like a step backwards.

[John Gruden]

It's a long season.

[Jon Gruden]

Yeah.

[John Gruden]

You know, get less time to recover. And usually the teams that are in the super bowl, they get. They lose coaches, they lose players. They got guys that want new contracts, so they gotta part with some players. But the turnover on the NFL rosters these days is unbelievable. I'm going through each division right now. We're getting ready to release our divisional forecast, you know. Oh, hell yeah. But the. We're doing the AFC west right now. It's unbelievable how many new coaches and new players are on all these teams.

[Jon Gruden]

Who do you like? You excited about The Chargers adding McDaniel to that offense? That's a nice.

[John Gruden]

Yeah, I don't know him. I don't. I don't recognize his offense. He does some weird things.

[Jon Gruden]

In a good way or what do you.

[John Gruden]

I mean, in a good way. I think they got to get Herbert. Yeah, they got to get Herbert protected. They did get the center from the Commanders. That's going to help them be yardish. Yeah. Getting the two tackles back. Slater and Alt healthy. If they can protect Herbert, better. Look out, man. But they got a new defensive coordinator, a new offensive coordinator. They are still the Chargers. It's a hard team for me to like. I hope they lose every. I hate it. Really Grew up hating them.

[Frank the Tank]

Yeah.

[John Gruden]

Everybody in the West. You just. Oh, God.

[Frank the Tank]

So is your team now, like, would you say you root the most for the. The Bucks?

[John Gruden]

Bucks and Raiders.

[Frank the Tank]

Nice.

[John Gruden]

My son is still strength coach with the Raiders, so I root for them. We're heading out there to Vegas next week to see my son and see Kenny Chesney at the Spear.

[Ronan]

Cool.

[John Gruden]

Yeah. That'll be sick.

[Jon Gruden]

I love that.

[John Gruden]

My wife's brother went to college with Kenny at East Tennessee State, so we've known Kenny before he was Kenny, you know.

[Frank the Tank]

That's crazy.

[John Gruden]

It's pretty cool.

[Frank the Tank]

Yeah, that's it.

[Jon Gruden]

He's got great tailgates for it. Like, everybody. Like, I remember right out of college, everybody would just go to the Kenny Chesney tailgate just for, like, just for the vibes of everybody being.

[John Gruden]

That's what he calls it, the vibe room. Yeah. And he comes into that vibe room right before he hits the stage. And I swear they want guys in there that have positivity issues and it's. And they try to get the vibe, the energy, right.

[Ronan]

Yeah.

[John Gruden]

It's like being in the locker room before the game, everybody up. You know, it's.

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It's.

[John Gruden]

It's cool. They got the. Used to have the Corona Light people in there and we'd pop a couple Coronas and get the vibe, get the energy right for the concert.

[Jon Gruden]

So you feel the pressure in that situation. Be like, hey, let me get some vibes. Like, let me make sure I'm bringing the juice for these guys.

[John Gruden]

Yeah, that's kind of how I've got to. Yeah. Really.

[Frank the Tank]

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[Jon Gruden]

Dude, his son, I don't know if you know his son is a stud power lift.

[Ronan]

Well, I know that and I know that he was also a UFC fighter or.

[John Gruden]

That's my youngest son.

[Ronan]

Oh, okay. Yeah, I remember that from a hard knock season.

[John Gruden]

Yeah.

[Ronan]

So. So your other son. Yeah, he's in a like Olympic lifting. He's got some.

[John Gruden]

Well, he won the world powerlifting championship in Belarus.

[Ronan]

Yes.

[Jon Gruden]

That's sick.

[John Gruden]

That's where you go, 80 pound guy. He broke the national record for the bench press just recently in Las Vegas. Like £495.

[Ronan]

Christ.

[John Gruden]

With a pause. Yeah. You know, he's no momentum. I remember he was growing up, he was like 17 years old and I would hear the weights in the house and I call him. And I said, deuce, what do you want to be? He said, I want to be a fre. And when he won that thing in Belarus, I said, congratulations, man. You are a freak, man. But it was one of the coolest things I've ever seen because we fly all the way to Belarus and that's communism over there. I mean, I'm not really. It's not like I'm not a basket case. But they got guy 180 pound guys from almost every country.

[Jon Gruden]

Yeah.

[John Gruden]

And they're singlets and they're all, you know, Jack. Yeah, yeah. And they're doing the bench press, the

[Jon Gruden]

squat, and that's like the cradle of powerlifting over there. Like the Belarusians.

[John Gruden]

Like, those are guys who are guys.

[Jon Gruden]

And they don't have football and basketball over there. They Got powerlifting. So for him to go over there and beat him at their own game, they keep.

[John Gruden]

They keep announcing how many kilograms and I'm like, how many pounds is it? How much weight is it? I don't know how much a kilogram is.

[Ronan]

2.2 pounds. That's. Yeah, 2.2. Yeah.

[Frank the Tank]

Good to know.

[Jon Gruden]

Francis is a bit of a is, but he's more of like calisthenics and like kettlebell.

[Frank the Tank]

Functional.

[Ronan]

Functional mobility body. Overall strength. Just trying to look good naked.

[John Gruden]

It's a good way to look at it.

[Ronan]

Yeah.

[John Gruden]

When you get older, like me, I've had two elbow surgeries and I had my hip replaced.

[Jon Gruden]

Yeah.

[John Gruden]

So certain ranges of motion really bother the elbow. You know, I can still do the bench press for some reason, but I can't go above the head. And do, you know, these tries, some of these things, Skull crushers, some of them are tough, man.

[Jon Gruden]

Yeah.

[John Gruden]

But. Yeah, good for you. You look like you've been pumping a lot.

[Frank the Tank]

Yeah, I've been in. I've been in there.

[John Gruden]

Yeah. Yeah. You got some new material. Like, you come up with new material for your comedic comedian?

[Jon Gruden]

Yeah, yeah.

[Frank the Tank]

Me and Francis both do stand up.

[Jon Gruden]

They tour. They're like. They like sell out places like they're studs at comedy. It's amazing.

[John Gruden]

I know. I would like to. I would like to just know what do you do to come up with new content?

[Frank the Tank]

Just write, like, sit down and write. I mean, a lot of the best jokes just come to your head naturally, but, like, sometimes you got to actually sit down and write shit out, which sucks my process bad.

[Ronan]

I like to go out and live and experience and then those funny things happens. Whereas he takes more of a sort of stay inside approach.

[John Gruden]

Yeah. Frank Caliendo is my friend.

[Ronan]

Yeah. He does an amazing impression of you.

[John Gruden]

He does. He's great. We saw him Tampa and it was cool. I got to come on stage like I was doing Monday Night Football and instead of Mike Tirico, he was Mike Turico.

[Ronan]

Yeah.

[John Gruden]

So I would make a comment like I wanted him to be John Madden. He was. He was John Madden and he could do Pat Summeral, but he could do. It was hilarious.

[Jon Gruden]

He's a machine.

[John Gruden]

He could go one voice to another.

[Jon Gruden]

It's a. It's insane.

[Frank the Tank]

I don't even know how that. That you got. I feel you got to be like, somewhat born with the ability to do that.

[Jon Gruden]

But he's very studied. He talks about, like, studying the mouth and stuff like that. That's crazy. It all comes from, like the Shape of the mouth. But he's insane. He also would talk about with, with comedy. He would say he doesn't watch any other comedians because he doesn't want to be influenced at all by anybody. He doesn't like study comedy. He doesn't study other people's or watch other people's act because he doesn't want to like, dribble into his perspective.

[John Gruden]

Let me ask you this though, because like, like one of the pre. What's it called, the Warm up Comet comedy guys.

[Frank the Tank]

Yeah.

[Jon Gruden]

Open openers.

[John Gruden]

He didn't get me to crack. I really don't want to laugh like Jolly John Gruden after everything he says, but have you ever had a time where you've gone up there Millions? Oh, God, yeah.

[Frank the Tank]

Yeah, it's awesome.

[John Gruden]

I thought this would come off. Yeah, yeah.

[Frank the Tank]

I mean, you have jokes that you do that, that work and that they, they consistent because you redo a lot of the same jokes. Like you're continuously like building them up and you have jokes that like, you'll do for like a year straight and every time you do it, it crushes. And then out of nowhere that joke just doesn't work anymore. And you're like, I don't know what happened. It's usually you're doing it too much, too robotic, you know, Like, I was

[John Gruden]

coaching for the Eagles. I was offensive coordinator. And we're in pregame warmup. This is the old Veteran Stadium. And they had some rough fans. Oh, yeah. It's like we're playing the Rams. It's windy and cold. We're out there. Me and Randall Cunningham and Rodney Pete and Jay Field were warming up and there's some guy in the stands. He's going, hey, Gruden. And the voice was loud. You could not help but hear it. All the players, hey, Gruden. He's over there.

[Jon Gruden]

Gruden.

[John Gruden]

Finally I turn around, you suck. And all the players are laughing, you know what I mean? And then two weeks later we go out and there's that guy again. Hey, Gruden. And so I'm like, okay, you suck. But anyway, that comedy guy, that night, I was, I felt like going, hey. Oh, yeah.

[Jon Gruden]

So you get it?

[John Gruden]

You get what the Philly fans are. You do have to have some mental toughness. And you gotta also, I feel like

[Frank the Tank]

just like you're like an athlete and you're like, like athlete humor is like that like you in your locker room would be the most terrified I could possibly be to perform. No, just a bunch of guys who are like, they're all funny in their own way. And then you bring your pre written jokes and you're like, I suck.

[John Gruden]

That's a way to make a living.

[Frank the Tank]

It's tough.

[John Gruden]

Yeah, yeah.

[Ronan]

Is Veteran Stadium where Penn now plays their games?

[John Gruden]

No, that got torn up.

[Jon Gruden]

It's destroyed Veteran Stadiums down Penn. Penn is Franklin Field.

[Ronan]

Yeah, well, they. I remember we played Penn in a football stadium. That's where the old to be the Eagles Stadium.

[Jon Gruden]

That's like in the 1950s. Like Chuck Bednarik played there.

[Ronan]

I mean, it's humongous.

[Jon Gruden]

Yeah, yeah.

[John Gruden]

Veterans Stadium. They blew it up.

[Jon Gruden]

Yeah, they blew it up. They demolished it. I mean, it was a concrete field with like a carpet thinner than this one that was just bad painted like turf. And they had a jail underneath the stadium because the fans were like you said such.

[John Gruden]

You talk about going to this, going early, right? As a coach. Yeah, I'd go in there, 4 o' clock in the morning, jeez. And pitch black. You go into Veterans Stadium. Our offices were underground. That's where I work for three years. So there's a security guy out there and it's right down on Patterson broadest. 4, 4 o' clock in the morning. There's some guys walking around, you know, cd. So I walk in and I see a cat. It's got to be as big as Sasquatch. Then I see two or three others walking around Veteran Stadium. So finally I see the security guy go, hey, what's with all these cats, man? The guys. He goes, the cats eat the rats. You want rats or cats? Everything in Philly, man, it was. It was like a dream, you know,

[Jon Gruden]

and that was a wild time for Philly fans. Like, there's like books written about how crazy the Philly fans were. There was like a story like, of like a really cold day at Veterans Stadium. And this guy was telling the story like his wife was there. And like it was like a day where you couldn't feel your fingers, you couldn't feel your toes. It was just like a disgusting, awesome football day. But they're up in the 700 level of veterans Stadium and they said that at one point they looked down and like, everything's numb. You can't feel anything. They looked down, this guy looked down and his wife's shoe was off. The guy in front of him had taken his wife's shoe off and was just sucking on her toes in the stadium. I was like, what? What kind of Philly fans?

[Frank the Tank]

Like, what are we even warming them up?

[John Gruden]

That was the last thing I thought

[Jon Gruden]

you were Gonna say, I know, I know. Sucking on this woman's.

[Frank the Tank]

Was that true? Was that like a sexual thing?

[Jon Gruden]

Or is it a. I have no idea. All I know, safety precautions. The bone. Yeah. Let's warm her up. She looks a little bit, but it's just. There's just like a million. A million like insane stories about like. Like crazy brawls that happen and bad people. And you're talking about this guy giving you a hard time, like telling you you suck. He's there week after week. And that's the Eagles fan. That's. That's your fan. That's a guy who's like cheering for you.

[John Gruden]

Remember wip, right?

[Jon Gruden]

Of course. Of course.

[John Gruden]

It was brutal, man.

[Jon Gruden]

Yeah.

[John Gruden]

There, you know, if you listen to that, you go home crying. We lost to the 49ers. I think we got shut out.

[Jon Gruden]

Yeah.

[John Gruden]

In the playoffs. And caller calls in, he's like Jon Gruden, John Gruden. If his IQ was one point less, he'd be a plant. The guy's a idiot. And I'm sitting there listening to this, you know. But I tell you what, man, I never forget to this. We go 40 in the preseason my first year. We look good, man. We're bringing a West coast offense. Randall looked great. And they call me Boy Wonder in the newspaper. Nice little picture of Johnny G here. Boy Wonder is here sick. First game we play Tampa Bay, they come in and kick our ass 21 to 6. Next day it was boy blunder. I said, I'm not good enough. I'm. I don't belong in this chair. I shouldn't be calling plays. And I'm walking to the old bubble. Remember that little bubble they had where we.

[Jon Gruden]

Yeah, the practice facility.

[John Gruden]

Cadillac. And guy rolls his window down, he goes, hey, Johnny, get in. You know, it was. Who's Dick Vermeil?

[Jon Gruden]

That's sick.

[John Gruden]

He called. He. He. He drove me over there and he gave me about a 15 minute pep talk about how you're going to be great. Everything's going to be. Just keep doing it. Keep. You know, but he was. That was a turning point.

[Jon Gruden]

So nice.

[John Gruden]

Yeah.

[Jon Gruden]

Where was he at the time? He was.

[John Gruden]

He was doing college football broadcast, you

[Jon Gruden]

know, because that was before he signed or before he was with the Chiefs. Right.

[John Gruden]

Yeah.

[Jon Gruden]

Amazing.

[John Gruden]

It was really cool. Philadelphia was. Was a great.

[Jon Gruden]

I can't believe you listened to the sports talk radio.

[John Gruden]

I love it.

[Frank the Tank]

Is that. Did you that throughout, like your whole career, like right after the game, I

[John Gruden]

like to hear what the fans are saying. Yeah. You know, I like to hear what the players are saying on the radio shows.

[Ronan]

Were you hoping for praise or were you hoping that if there was criticism, somehow by hearing it, you would be better prepared for it?

[John Gruden]

Yeah, just a little bit of everything. Just to have an idea what the. What the temp. Temperature was out there. Yeah. Yeah. You know, I like. I like knowing what the furnace is, like, how smart it is.

[Frank the Tank]

Yeah.

[John Gruden]

Because your players listen to it, you see. You know, your coaches listen to it, so you can't be naive to it. Plus, I had quite a commute from New Jersey over to Philly every morning.

[Jon Gruden]

Yeah, that's a long one.

[Frank the Tank]

Especially if you're getting in at 4:00am what, do you leave even midnight?

[John Gruden]

Yeah.

[Jon Gruden]

That is because you don't really think. You almost assume that the players are not listening. When I'm like. As somebody who's calling into the station, you're not like, hey, Donovan McNabb's gonna hear what I'm saying, bitching about him. You're really just saying it to get it off your chest. But then you work at someplace like this, you. It's like the human condition. Like, you're gonna read some comments about yourself. If people are talking about you, you. You want to know what they're saying about you.

[John Gruden]

Right? Yeah.

[Jon Gruden]

It's just being a human.

[John Gruden]

I think so.

[Frank the Tank]

Yeah. I do think it is. It is important to have an idea. Like, I get. I get people that are like, don't read anything. Don't listen to anything. But it's like, I agree with you said, like.

[John Gruden]

Well, you know, there's an article, if you go down and read. What's it called? The blogs.

[Jon Gruden]

Yeah.

[John Gruden]

Down below, everybody's negative, you know, pummeling

[Frank the Tank]

you on the barstool website.

[John Gruden]

No, I. I was gonna say back that day when there would be an article.

[Jon Gruden]

Exactly.

[Frank the Tank]

That's as negative as it'll get. Barstool blog.

[Jon Gruden]

But now if you're a coach, like, going on Twitter or going on Instagram. Yeah.

[John Gruden]

It's not smart, but what's the difference

[Jon Gruden]

between that and listening to the radio?

[John Gruden]

Oh, you're just driving to work. I just. I'd rather listen to that than almost anything, really.

[Jon Gruden]

Some yacht rock.

[John Gruden]

Yeah. Plus, you know, you can disguise your voice and call in.

[Ronan]

Hi, this is little Sasquatch here.

[Jon Gruden]

This is Tom Gruden. Coach Grudge is great. So sick that you got to coach with your brother, too.

[John Gruden]

That's.

[Jon Gruden]

That's just an amazing life. Or you coach with your brother and your son.

[John Gruden]

We had a really cool group, you know, we had McVeigh, Shanahan, Tomlin, my brother, all these young guys are on my staff in Tampa. And we had a lot of fun. We talked a lot of trash and it was competitive.

[Jon Gruden]

McVeigh and Shanahan were down there.

[John Gruden]

They were down there. Yeah. That's crazy.

[Jon Gruden]

Oh, my God.

[John Gruden]

We had a lot of fun.

[Barstool Sports Representative]

Fun.

[Jon Gruden]

So people give all. Give them credit for, like, McVeigh concepts, LaFleur concepts, Shanahan concepts. Like, it's part of their coaching tree. They should be kicking up credit to you.

[John Gruden]

No. Yeah.

[Jon Gruden]

That's part of your coaching tree.

[John Gruden]

Well, they were there. We had. We had a lot of great people come through that building. And that's what makes you want to come back someday and coach again.

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[Jon Gruden]

Was it.

[Ronan]

I was just going to ask. I mean, you get a call tomorrow. Hey, Coach, we want you to come be the head coach of the Bengals. Are you taking that job?

[John Gruden]

I'd be very. You know, it'd be hard not to take it. You know, I'm not soliciting any jobs here, but I'm preparing to coach. My problem is I don't want to just live anywhere anymore. I like living in Tampa. I like Clearwater Beach. I like working with you guys. This has really been one of the cooler things I've done. I didn't even have a Twitter account or a. I didn't know anything about Instagram or nothing. And now you get a chance to go do some things. Hell, I'm even playing lacrosse now with Jake. I'm playing. I was on the field last Wednesday with four national champion lacrosse players and the head coach. They're feeding me passes off of a pick and I'm shooting on gold. I think I pulled like a muscle back in my butt cheek.

[Jon Gruden]

I saw you giving a speech to a lacrosse.

[John Gruden]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Ronan]

What team was that?

[John Gruden]

Tampa? The Spartans.

[Jon Gruden]

Club.

[Ronan]

Club lacrosse.

[John Gruden]

What is it? Two?

[Ronan]

Division two.

[Jon Gruden]

Oh, cool.

[John Gruden]

Yeah, they won it all. But you know, when you meet these guys, these are badasses, man.

[Frank the Tank]

Oh, yeah.

[John Gruden]

These are athletic guys. They're physical. They'll not knock the out of you. And they are quick and Twitchy, man. Yeah. And if I had lacrosse in high school, I would have played that sport instead of baseball. We didn't have the sport. You know, I. I encourage teams to schools to get a lacrosse team.

[Jon Gruden]

Yeah.

[John Gruden]

And let your football players play lacrosse in the spring. Hand eye coordination, just physical training, changing directions. I mean, you got a real stop and start. You really work on your quickness, your conditioning. It's hell of a sport, man. These guys run all over the place.

[Jon Gruden]

It's crazy how Jake is playing on, like, an Olympic level team. Do you ever think that, like, if. If you had. If it was like, you're getting out of college and you could have traced some lineage back to a country that doesn't have that much of a lacrosse presence like that, you. You could have.

[Ronan]

You know, they didn't have lacrosse in the Olympics when I was in college, and they do do have the World Games, and I remember guys would go play for Italy and Wales and Israel, and they would have no legitimate kind of claim to go do that. It was just kind of a joke. But I always thought the. The helmets and the jerseys were really cool, and it would have been fun to have done.

[Jon Gruden]

But where would you have played? What? What?

[Ronan]

Well, I wouldn't have been good enough to play for the American team because that was actually the best players. So I would have tried to play for probably England.

[Jon Gruden]

Sick.

[Ronan]

Yeah.

[Jon Gruden]

That would have been badass.

[Ronan]

Yeah, it would have been cool, man. Yeah.

[Jon Gruden]

That's awesome. Yeah. Man. Lacrosse is a. Is a great one.

[Ronan]

What is Jake doing?

[Jon Gruden]

He's playing.

[Frank the Tank]

He's played for the Czech team.

[Barstool Sports Representative]

Right.

[Jon Gruden]

He's a goalie for their check. Olympic team.

[Ronan]

Oh, wow.

[Frank the Tank]

It was like. But I think it was like some weird thing where it was like it was only. He was only doing it if this young kid didn't. Right. Something like that. Yeah.

[John Gruden]

When they make the Olympics, he's gonna be too old. But he's playing for the Olympics.

[Frank the Tank]

Yeah.

[John Gruden]

Yeah.

[Ronan]

Whoa. So they have an age cap.

[John Gruden]

I just think a better, younger player is coming.

[Jon Gruden]

Oh, players coming.

[Ronan]

I see. So wait, wait. Did he play goalie in college?

[Frank the Tank]

Yeah, I think so.

[Jon Gruden]

Club. Oh, he went to uva, Right. He's a Virginia guy.

[John Gruden]

Yep.

[Jon Gruden]

That's a great case.

[Ronan]

Well, they have a very good Division 1 team.

[Frank the Tank]

He didn't play on that team. I thought he did.

[John Gruden]

Nicky did. Yeah.

[Jon Gruden]

Yeah.

[Ronan]

The. The varsity team.

[John Gruden]

Yeah.

[Frank the Tank]

Thanks.

[Jon Gruden]

Yeah.

[Ronan]

Wow.

[Jon Gruden]

That's badass.

[Ronan]

You were amazing.

[Frank the Tank]

Yeah. I can't imagine he's in the Olympics but couldn't make the varsity team.

[Jon Gruden]

That's so sick, I might go.

[John Gruden]

He asked me to coach the chick. Oh, you should. The games are in Tokyo. But I told him, I said, I don't know about that flight. Can't do the flight.

[Ronan]

I'm going for four days in September. To Tokyo?

[Jon Gruden]

Yeah. When you. When you had your preseason game in Japan, did you, like, spend any time. Did you do any Japanese?

[John Gruden]

Yeah, we took. I took my coaches out to the steakhouse. We had this high roller guy. He was my assistant. My agent found him. He was one of the casino hosts in Reno, Nevada. He goes, you got to hire this guy. So I hire him. I said, hey, Ray, get me a reservation. I'd like to take my coaches out to dinner. We go into this steakhouse, man, and there are the biggest fish tanks I've ever seen. There's girls swimming in them.

[Ronan]

What the.

[John Gruden]

I mean, the steak, the lobster, Every drink, It was like $14,000. This is like 2003. I spent $14,000 on this meal. I remember my offensive line coach, Bill Muir. The waitress comes by, would you like another lob? He goes, I'll have another lobster. I said, the hell you will. No more food for these guys.

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[John Gruden]

I look at the bill, I go, God damn it, Ray, I'm going to kill you.

[Jon Gruden]

They've probably never seen people eat like a offense, like. Like the coaching staff of an NFL team.

[Frank the Tank]

I mean, ordering a second lobster.

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[John Gruden]

Yeah. No, I think these guys are taking advantage of the situation. Yeah.

[Frank the Tank]

Yeah.

[John Gruden]

But the. The. The greatest thing about Tokyo, I could not believe how clean it was.

[Jon Gruden]

Yeah.

[John Gruden]

And there's no. You know how we have all these billboards?

[Frank the Tank]

Oh, yeah.

[John Gruden]

In America, like, big signs like, see this lawyer? If you fall off a chair.

[Frank the Tank]

Yeah.

[John Gruden]

See this lawyer? If you head on the ground, See this lawyer? There are none of that. Yeah, no, nothing. But it's just. It's incredible.

[Jon Gruden]

It's orderly, too. Like nobody's crossing the road. When it's not the walk sign. If you're going up an escalator, everybody's single file on the right hand line. No one's telling people that they have to follow the rules. They just naturally. The society promotes following the rules, which is interesting.

[John Gruden]

Yeah. The problem is when you get into these lay flat beds, our coaches. A team doctor would give you an Ambien. Ambien. Ambien. And these guys go out and they are snoring and they are really sleeping. And I take the Ambien, and I'm, like, listening to you. I'm listening to the stewardesses talking And I'm like, I can't sleep, Coach.

[Ronan]

You gotta get some noise canceling headphones.

[John Gruden]

Yeah, that's a good thing.

[Ronan]

What I do is I do the AirPods. I put white noise in playing on my AirPods and then I do the over ear noise canceling headphones over the AirPods.

[John Gruden]

Wow.

[Ronan]

I got layers to this.

[Jon Gruden]

Oh, yeah.

[Ronan]

I got. I can't hear a thing.

[John Gruden]

I gotta learn that.

[Ronan]

Yeah.

[Jon Gruden]

That's so nice.

[John Gruden]

I'd be working for the Raiders and Al Davis would be sitting in the front left and I'm in row two to the right and I can hear everything he's saying. So we lose to the Chiefs, Derek Thomas just destroys us. And I can hear him going, is the guy a idiot? Why did we hire the guy? And I'm like, I'm sitting right here, you know. Should I just jump out the plane? You want to.

[Jon Gruden]

You know.

[Ronan]

You know there's a movie coming about, out about Al Davis.

[John Gruden]

Yeah.

[Ronan]

Shane's in it.

[Frank the Tank]

Oh yeah, that one.

[Ronan]

Yeah.

[Jon Gruden]

It's about John Madden too, right?

[Ronan]

It's about John Madden. Excuse me.

[Jon Gruden]

Yeah, Davis is in it.

[Ronan]

I think Al Davis is. Is in it.

[Frank the Tank]

Does Shane play John Madden?

[Ronan]

He plays his friend. But I. I think actually I don't want to. I don't.

[Barstool Sports Representative]

I mean.

[Frank the Tank]

Well, I'm only going off of the photos.

[Ronan]

Yeah.

[Frank the Tank]

That are very public.

[Ronan]

Yeah.

[Jon Gruden]

So you might have an actor playing you in this movie or something like that.

[John Gruden]

I doubt it, you know. Pretty cool, though. When I first got the Raider job, I think I was 34 years old. And we go play the Dallas Cowboys in our first preseason game. And Al Davis would fly all the alumni, the real alumni with us. So I'm on the sideline and on there is Jack Tatum, you know, Ted Hendricks, Cliff Branch, all these great Raider players. Snake, Kenny Stabler, Fred Bulitnikov, Willie Brown were on my staff. Sick, you know.

[Jon Gruden]

That's so cool.

[John Gruden]

It was cool. And then, you know, we'd go to practice in training camp and John Madden would show up. You know, I'm sitting there looking up there like, holy. Wonder what he thinks I'm doing.

[Jon Gruden]

Frank Caliendo must have been licking his chop seeing both you and Madden out there. He's like, those are my muses.

[John Gruden]

We went to Italy about four years ago, my wife and I with a couple. And we were over in Italy looking at the Coliseum and seeing the ruins. And out of nowhere I get a call from Frank. He's in Italy. He's in the exact place we are. So we had dinner together. In Rome.

[Jon Gruden]

That's great.

[John Gruden]

It's a weird deal. Yeah, but that's so sick of show you guys got, man.

[Jon Gruden]

Yeah, it's a fun time, dude. Thank you for coming on. I think this has been an absolute pleasure.

[Frank the Tank]

I was gonna say one more thing. Do you know Jake used to be one of the producer on this show?

[John Gruden]

So I heard.

[Jon Gruden]

Yeah.

[John Gruden]

What did he produce?

[Frank the Tank]

He didn't do much. No, Jake's the best. Jake's a great guy.

[Jon Gruden]

If you get hired on, if you get hired to like a new coaching job and I know that's not what you're chasing. Is Jake coming with you?

[John Gruden]

Oh, yeah.

[Jon Gruden]

Jake's going to be in the. What, what kind of position? Like, is Jake like quality control? Like is he, you know, personal assistant?

[John Gruden]

He has a photographic memory. The guy's really short.

[Jon Gruden]

Yeah, he is.

[John Gruden]

That's why we're here, for trivia.

[Jon Gruden]

He's good at it.

[John Gruden]

I mean, he's, he's got a worldliness about him. He can relate to, you know, TV shows. He can relate to a lot of different things. I'm amazed that his vast. Yeah, we put in place during quarterback school with these quarterbacks. He's going, hey, that's snug, right? Shorty 82 cowboy, isn't it? He, he remembers like, God dang. But I love people that are sharp.

[Jon Gruden]

Yeah. So. So he's coming. So Jake's coming. When you, when you get a job. Who. Anybody else from barstool coming?

[John Gruden]

That's why I'm here. I'm scouting it out a little bit. I'll probably take Sasquatch by me.

[Jon Gruden]

Stephen Che, I'm sure wants to get in that scouting department.

[John Gruden]

You know, he loves it. You'd be great at it.

[Jon Gruden]

Hey, hey, let me get, let me get my. Let Just wet my beak a little bit.

[John Gruden]

You know, Mike Holmgren in Green Bay, when he hired all of us, this is 1992, the year we got Brett Favreau. Yeah, he hired Andy Reid, Mary Uchi, me. We were all young guys and all coming out of college, you know, just getting our careers started and he knew we would work hard. He knew we were loyal, we could learn what he wanted us to teach. You know, that's, that's kind of the, the makeup of today's coaches. You know, a lot of these guys are getting younger and younger and younger every year, man. So hey, just keep working hard, Sasquatch. You might be the next head coach of the Falcon.

[Jon Gruden]

Thank you so much. That was such a blast. Appreciate it. And yeah, just, I know it's something different. But you. You crushed it. That was awesome.

[John Gruden]

Yeah. Thank you, guys, man. You guys enjoy. I gotta work on my golf game, man.

[Jon Gruden]

That was so funny.