Finding Francis | Son of a Boy Dad #422

Summary

Son of a Boy Dad #422: "Finding Francis"

Release Date: July 28, 2026
Podcast Hosts: Barstool Sports (Dave, Harry [a.k.a. Lil Sasquatch], Francis)
Theme:
After dropping out of college, Lil Sasquatch is seeking guidance from producer Rone (Harry) and co-host Francis on navigating adulthood, forming philosophy on life, and understanding manhood. This episode weaves together coming-of-age anxieties, psychedelic misadventures (real and imagined), and classic Barstool banter.

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Main Topics Overview

• Birthday shoutouts and musings on age and maturity
• Drug stories (especially psychedelics) and reality checks
• Francis's (fake) ayahuasca retreat story and the twist
• Reflections on ego, self-worth, and seeking meaning
• Updates and drama from the Barstool eSports/Discord world
• Philosophizing about ego, therapy, and self-improvement
• Trips, travel, and the allure of both status and nature
• Bohemian Grove: debunking conspiracy theories and exploring myth-making
• “Filming Kids in Public” and the First Amendment
• Gaming, cognitive decline, and the struggle to remain elite
• Comedy in a changing cultural landscape

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Notable Moments & Key Discussions

1. Birthdays, Age, and Growing Up (03:13–04:25)

• The cast riffs on Nikki Smokes turning 27 on the 27th ("golden birthday"), poking fun at age, maturity, and perceptions.
  • Quote – Harry [03:41]: “He has a 19-year-old kind of feel to him as well...but he’s like 19, but he’s like 30 at the same time.”

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2. Drug Chat: Mushrooms and Ayahuasca? (04:25–06:02)

• Dave expresses his aversion to cocaine and psychedelics, especially mushrooms, and Francis discusses his "lukewarm" experience with shrooms.
  • Francis [05:22]: “The happy, gentle euphoria can't last forever. That's the thing.”
• This segues into Francis’s big ‘Present Monday’ story—which turns out to be a ruse.

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3. Francis’s (Fake) Ayahuasca Retreat (09:43–20:22)

• Francis spins a compelling narrative about going to an ayahuasca retreat for self-actualization, working through ego issues and feeling “stuck.”
  • Francis [11:01]: “I think that you hate yourself, but you're also like, I'm the man. At the same time, I probably overcompensate by trying to...convince myself that I'm doing really well...the underlying truth is that I have a lot of internal battles.”
• He describes ritual details, "throwing up," and feeling guilt—all leading to gifting his co-hosts symbolic “vessels” from the retreat.
• The reveal: it was all a ruse—he was actually on a Delta flight, and the gifts are Delta amenity kits.
  • Dave [21:13]: “Those are made by the hands of children in the Ayahuasca community.”
  • Harry [21:54]: “I’m so mad that you didn’t do ayahuasca. I was really enjoying that story.”

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4. Meta-Discussion: Why the Ayahuasca Story Resonated (22:04–24:58)

• The guys unpack why Francis’s story was so compelling, exploring why people seek psychedelic experiences for meaning, and draw parallels to therapy and pharmaceuticals.
• They riff on trip durations, the “purging” effect, and why people rationalize expensive experiences (“Ayahuasca taught me I need to be a better person”).

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5. Barstool Esports & Discord Drama (34:00–46:00)

• Dave and co. discuss ongoing drama around a possible “content house” for the Barstool eSports team and internal politics, notably with the Discord manager “Phenom.”
  • Dave [39:10]: “We were like, phenom’s a superstar...and then the thing happened with Austin. He’s DMing Austin, saying he should have Mook’s job.”
  • The tension: do you take feedback from obsessed fans, and what does it mean when community moderators cross boundaries?

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6. Philosophical Musings: Ego, Meaning, and Change (14:09–17:22; 45:21–46:54)

• Francis gets real about grappling with ego and inadequacy, and the group touches on the challenge of holding onto the “truths” you find through therapy or psychedelic-inspired reflection.
  • Francis [45:21]: “They make it seem like what they’re sharing [in Discords/communities] is fundamental truth...if they allowed the truth to seep in...it punctures that bubble they’ve created.”

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7. Travel Stories, Adult Life & The Allure of Escape (27:06–30:11; 62:03–78:11)

• Between bickering about which airline is best, Francis recounts travel and golf adventures, including meeting people from “Bohemian Grove.” This prompts a riff on secret societies, conspiracy, and male bonding.
  • Francis [55:10]: “I met a couple guys out in San Francisco who are part of...the Bohemian Grove.”
  • Dave [62:12]: “I think you can really judge it up a little if you go with the right people.”
• Later, the group discusses their own fishing and hiking expeditions, face-offs with moose, and the camaraderie of “getting out in the wild.”

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8. Debunking Bohemian Grove Myths (57:00–63:15)

• The group lampoons conspiracy theories, with Francis grounding things in his family’s experience of the camp’s relative mundanity.
  • Francis [58:39]: “That is my assumption, because my dad went [to Bohemian Grove].”
  • Reading Nixon’s quote: “the most faggy goddamn thing you can imagine.” [62:32]
  • Ultimate consensus: Some hype, some truth; in the end, it’s just ‘guys in the woods.’

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9. First Amendment Dilemma: Filming Kids in Public (90:04–101:27)

• Harry tells of an odd woman repeatedly filming babies in Brooklyn, debating the tension between parental instinct and the First Amendment.
  • Harry [91:37]: “She’s everywhere, filming kids all over the place...If something feels uncomfortable with kids, you have to follow that instinct, but at the same time, I love the First Amendment...”
• They mock-conspire about trafficking, privacy, and conclude it’s probably just a weird lady.
  • Dave [101:23]: “Hopefully in a non-perverted way. Yeah, hopefully a wholesome way.”

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10. Gaming, Cognitive Decline, and Chasing Old Glory (77:52–84:52)

• Dave laments his decline in gaming skill (“maybe it’s the weed, maybe it’s age”), detailing frustration with Counter Strike’s ranking system versus his CoD glory days.
  • Dave [78:09]: “It’s sad, but it’s also good. I got to get back to just clear-headed gaming.”
• The team jokes about whether you need to be “good at the game” to coach/manage eSports.

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11. Comedy, Culture, and the Tide of Edginess (88:05–89:59)

• Harry and Dave discuss how standup comedy’s “bad boy” era faded as old taboos became common, noting the cycle of how rebellion becomes exhausted once mainstream.
  • Francis [89:36]: “You celebrated it too much...when the police go back inside and stop policing and you continue to just beat that drum, it starts to get a little indulgent.”
  • Dave [88:48]: “Now it’s, everyone says it, so it’s not funny anymore...it can no longer be the punch line.”

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Timestamps for Notable Segments

• 03:13–04:25 — Nikki Smokes birthday riff, age/maturity banter
• 06:46–07:46 — Expectations/stereotypes about Francis’s life
• 09:43–20:22 — Francis’s ayahuasca story and the dramatic twist
• 22:04–24:58 — The group reckons with why the psychedelic story works
• 34:00–46:00 — Barstool eSports, Discord drama, and content/management issues
• 45:21–46:54 — Philosophizing on ego and online communities
• 57:00–63:15 — Bohemian Grove, debunking conspiracy and discussing mythology
• 90:04–101:27 — First Amendment, parent anxieties, filming kids in public
• 77:52–84:52 — Gaming and the struggle for self-worth as skills fade

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Most Memorable Quotes

• Francis [11:01]: “I think that you hate yourself, but you're also like, I'm the man.”
• Dave [21:13]: “Those are made by the hands of children in the Ayahuasca community.”
• Harry [45:21]: “If you allow the truth to actually seep in...it punctures that bubble that you've created.”
• Francis (on conspiracy theories) [58:39]: “That is my assumption, because my dad went [to Bohemian Grove]."
• Francis [89:36]: "When the police go back inside and stop policing and you continue to just beat that drum, it starts to get a little indulgent."
• Dave [101:23]: “Hopefully in a non-perverted way. Yeah, hopefully a wholesome way.”

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In The Original Tone: Banter & Takeaways

• The hosts' dynamic thrives on undercutting each other’s stories, exposing exaggeration for laughs—especially Francis’s ayahuasca prank.
• Self-deprecation is central—whether making fun of age, gaming skill, or one’s own mind.
• Threads connect drugs, therapy, and meaning with the ongoing search for a satisfying adult identity.
• The show candidly reflects on the Barstool brand—from content rat races to the perils of giving “fans” too much power.

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Final Thought:
This episode exemplifies Son of a Boy Dad’s best qualities: it’s vulnerable, irreverent, and always searching for where the line is—so it can be made fun of. Whether they’re dissecting the modern comedy scene, grappling with online mobs, or just laughing at a failed “present,” these guys turn even their misadventures and anxieties into something worth hearing.

Transcript

[Harry]

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[Harry]

All right,

[Dave]

all righty. Welcome back to the Son of a Boy Dad Podcast. Today it is Monday. It is July 27th. It's 1:40pm and we are here live from HQ. Tres. Welcome back.

[Harry]

Happy birthday to Nikki Smokes. Is it.

[Dave]

Is it Smoke's birthday?

[Harry]

He's turning 27 on the 27th, bro.

[Francis]

House of respect, golden birthday.

[Harry]

He's only 27.

[Dave]

I thought he was definitely like 28, 29.

[Francis]

Well, that's not.

[Dave]

Well, if he's 27, that means that he's. Or if he's turning 27, that means that he's a year older than me. I thought he was a couple years older than me.

[Francis]

Right, okay.

[Harry]

Yeah. I mean, he kind of. He has a 19 year old kind of like, feel to him as well.

[Dave]

Yeah, yeah, but he's like. Yeah, it's like he's like 19, but he's like 30 at the same time.

[Francis]

I don't think there are two people on earth more different than you and Nikki Smokes.

[Dave]

We're much more similar than you could even imagine. No, I'm kidding. Yeah, but we don't have much.

[Harry]

You guys just meet at the bag. That's the only thing you guys have is an overlap. You guys just hit the bag at the same time.

[Dave]

No words touch at the end of the bag.

[Francis]

Are you talking about the. The cocaine bag or the money bag?

[Harry]

No, cocaine.

[Francis]

Oh, yeah, right.

[Dave]

I don't do cocaine, though. That's not my thing.

[Harry]

And he doesn't make money. So you just have nothing in college.

[Francis]

Should have known.

[Dave]

Yeah, I can't think of anything I would actually, that I think would be worse for me than cocaine. Maybe mushrooms. Mushrooms I have a pretty big fear of, but everyone says they're so great. Have you ever done mushrooms?

[Francis]

I have a very, like, lukewarm relationship with mushrooms. It's not bad. It's not good. I've done them a handful of times. Yeah, they aren't as.

[Harry]

Whoa.

[Francis]

You know, they don't. They don't.

[Dave]

They're not. You're not like, seeing shit.

[Francis]

Well, not at all. I mean, it's not that at all. It's just that everyone else I know loves mushrooms.

[Dave]

People love them.

[Francis]

They're like, wow, have you seen the new? They come in sweet tart.

[Dave]

Yeah. People are obsessed.

[Francis]

And I don't drink as much when I do them. And it just gives me this happy, gentle euphoria, blah, blah, blah. And I'm like, okay. For me, it's I don't know.

[Dave]

The happy, gentle euphoria can't last forever. That's the thing.

[Francis]

No, not that. That goes away, and I just end up finding that I'm, like, running my tongue over the inside of my teeth for two hours.

[Dave]

Yeah.

[Francis]

And then I'm like, all right, I don't really want this to happen anymore, but I think this is a great point to segue into Present Monday.

[Dave]

Present Monday.

[Francis]

Present Monday.

[Dave]

I didn't know we were. I didn't know that was a thing. Well, I would have brought my presents because I was saving them for Tuesday.

[Francis]

You can do Present Tuesday. That's always on the table. But Present Monday is a special. This is a. Maybe a one off.

[Harry]

If it's seven grams of mushrooms, I'll be very upset.

[Dave]

Yeah, me too. If it's anything drug related, I'm going to be upset. I'm cleaning. I'm cleaning out.

[Francis]

It's not. It's. Well, okay. So this past weekend, do you guys want to try to guess what I did?

[Harry]

Golf.

[Francis]

Golf. No.

[Dave]

Member? Guest?

[Francis]

No.

[Harry]

Had it. Went to a sick restaurant with somebody who, like, we wouldn't expect. That you're friends with, but they're actually Kane. Yeah. They're at the top of their field.

[Francis]

So random. What a poll.

[Dave]

You and Patrick Kane went out to dinner together in Chicago.

[Harry]

You flew out. You had a Delta deal in Chicago, so you and Patrick Kane had to go to State. Weird.

[Francis]

This is becoming a weird exercise for me because now I'm seeing how you guys view my life through your eyes and, like, what I do, and I'm like, I don't know if I like any of that.

[Harry]

Going out to dinner and. And having branded deals with.

[Francis]

I don't like my activities. Yeah, golf with LeBron. No.

[Harry]

In Philly, we played Marion.

[Dave]

You, Shane, and LeBron.

[Francis]

That's very.

[Dave]

I was gonna. So quick, sidetrack. I was gonna. I was trying to pull off a present, a crazy present Tuesday, but I didn't get. I never got a response. I texted Shane and I was like, do you know lebron? He's gonna try to get that Cavs autograph.

[Francis]

That would have been awesome.

[Dave]

Oh, it would have been game, dude.

[Francis]

I really appreciate.

[Dave]

He didn't even answer.

[Harry]

You just texted him, do you know LeBron?

[Dave]

I texted him in a group chat.

[Harry]

Yo, Shane, do you know LeBron?

[Dave]

I said, Shane, do you know LeBron?

[Francis]

They'll get to know each other.

[Dave]

Oh, definitely.

[Francis]

Now, that's why.

[Dave]

That's why LeBron went to the Sixers.

[Francis]

Shane saw him playing the Link and he's like, boy, they got fans. Come out.

[Dave]

Great community out there.

[Harry]

Yeah. I don't know. What about the. What about Drake?

[Dave]

Did Drake and Drake and LeBron don't with each other anymore?

[Francis]

Wait, what happened there?

[Dave]

LeBron took Kendrick's side.

[Francis]

Oh, right. He did.

[Dave]

He'll work his way back in. The funny thing there is. I guarantee there's.

[Harry]

It's.

[Dave]

In no world is it like, Drake going to, like, I guarantee LeBron goes to Drake with, like, a deep apology.

[Harry]

I think that he was already. I think when he was like, he was tweeting the owl emoji.

[Dave]

Oh, really?

[Harry]

I don't know.

[Dave]

But he wants back.

[Harry]

Yeah, he's got to want back.

[Francis]

But Drake has no connection to Philly.

[Harry]

Correct.

[Dave]

Drake has no connection to America.

[Harry]

But if he's anti LeBron Canadian, I

[Francis]

think he kind of just runs America.

[Harry]

I think he has houses probably all over the place. And didn't he just buy, like, an estate in Houston or something like that?

[Dave]

Probably.

[Francis]

He must have one of those. He's probably. Do you think he's a citizen?

[Dave]

Yeah, 100%.

[Francis]

Make a certain amount of money, they just give it to you.

[Harry]

He's got to have that duel.

[Dave]

I mean, he's an economy.

[Francis]

Yeah. I wonder if he has an alien of extraordinary ability. I always thought that was the coolest visa. The colloquialism of it is a genius visa.

[Dave]

Oh, really? Yeah, for like, if you're just like,

[Francis]

super successful, if you're just so, like, you're such a good artist, you're so good at your job, they give you a visa that's like, genius alien. Look that up. The genius visa. I know that they. I remember famously, I think. Yeah. Nickname for you is. Yeah, alien. It's alien. Of extraordinary ability or achievement. And it's permanent. Wow, that's cool. Yeah.

[Harry]

See, I like visas, but I've always been more of a chase guy.

[Francis]

Chase does work with Visa. I think all their cards are Visa,

[Harry]

and I know that.

[Francis]

Yeah.

[Dave]

Cool.

[Francis]

Well, anyway, this weekend, I went to an ayahuasca retreat.

[Harry]

What? Really?

[Francis]

Yeah.

[Harry]

You did it.

[Francis]

Yeah, I did it.

[Harry]

You did. No, you didn't.

[Francis]

Yeah, I did.

[Harry]

No way.

[Dave]

That's insane.

[Harry]

Did it not take?

[Francis]

No, it. It's. It was weird. I don't know. I don't.

[Dave]

I'm still, like, seem the same.

[Francis]

I'm still figuring out, like, how you

[Harry]

couldn't seem more the same.

[Dave]

I feel like I noticed it more when you did Molly and Montauk.

[Harry]

You're like, You did ayahuasca Upstate.

[Francis]

Yeah, I did. I went to. They had a. You know, a place. Fucking shaman, whole thing. It was recommended to me by a friend of mine who had gone through some really bad grief.

[Dave]

Yeah.

[Francis]

That he had tried to overcome. Have I talked. Maybe I've talked about that before.

[Dave]

I don't know. I know that's, like. It helps with that.

[Francis]

And he suggested, because I was just talking to him about how I feel kind of stuck.

[Dave]

Yeah.

[Francis]

A little bit on some. Some patterns of thought. And I've also kind of started to feel that, like, my ego is not healthy. And I don't mean it in, like. I think it's unhealthy in both directions.

[Dave]

Oh, yeah?

[Harry]

What do you mean?

[Dave]

Like, negative and positive.

[Francis]

Yeah.

[Dave]

Yeah. I think that you hate yourself, but you're also like, I'm the man.

[Francis]

At the same time, I probably overcompensate by trying to, like.

[Harry]

Yeah.

[Francis]

Convince myself that I'm doing really well or convince other people of that. But the underlying truth is that I have a lot of

[Dave]

internal battles.

[Francis]

Yeah. Just feel really inadequate in a lot of ways, and I don't.

[Harry]

Is that a realization from the ayahuasca tent or.

[Francis]

No, that's why I went in. That's why I went.

[Dave]

Realization.

[Harry]

Wow.

[Dave]

You were already cured heading in.

[Harry]

So you ask the friends we made along the way.

[Dave]

You're just going there to get fucked up.

[Francis]

I was going to get high. I heard the beds were comfortable.

[Dave]

No, I'm good. I'm just here to get. Just obliterated.

[Francis]

Yeah. What's the normal dose? Can you triple? Pour me a double. I want four fingers of waska. I brought my own glass.

[Harry]

It's a drink.

[Dave]

Yeah. It's like a tea.

[Francis]

It's a drink. It's made with all these sort of like leaves and roots and different things, but then the main ingredients are dmt, obviously.

[Dave]

It's pretty much like DMT with, like, L theanine in it.

[Francis]

Yeah. There's all kinds of. It tastes horrible, by the way.

[Dave]

Don't you puke? Did you.

[Francis]

Yeah, I threw up. Yeah.

[Harry]

All right.

[Dave]

I gotta just tell the story. I gotta hear this.

[Francis]

Well, the big thing was that they, you know, you go in, it's a whole ritual. This one wasn't quite as like, jungles of Costa Rica. This one was more like, I don't know, kind of secure, medical, not medicinal is the way I would put it. And less like, ethereal. Ethereal and spiritual. Like 45 minutes from my place. It was not far, but was it like a home? I had to Spend the night.

[Harry]

Yeah.

[Francis]

It was like a camp, but, like, we were back, but the buildings, everyone had their own kind of little room in a hut or whatever. And then that was all. And then we. We. There was, like, a g. Clearing that we went to for the ceremony.

[Dave]

Yeah.

[Francis]

There were, like, five other people there. It was pretty intimate.

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So what are you.

[Dave]

Like, what, like, right. Right now? Like, what are your takeaways? Like, was it. Was it.

[Francis]

Well, the big thing. The big thing is that, like, you have to have a very clear intention of why you're doing it.

[Dave]

Yeah.

[Francis]

And I. To be honest with you, I did not have as clear of an intention. I expressed to them what I was trying to sort of fix and understand. And what was that which was just like, this. This sense of self and, like, sense of purpose and meaning in life and, like, how can I live a more fulfilling life? And what do I want for myself ultimately? And is the pursuit of happiness like a just pursuit, or should it be a pursuit of contentment? I don't know. I had all kinds of questions and stuff, and they were helpful with that. But, like. But when it came time to actually go in and move the pieces of my mind into place, which is kind of how they describe it.

[Dave]

Yeah.

[Francis]

Um, I was very nervous. I don't like hallucinating. And I was, you know. Yeah, I was pretty scared, and I don't think that was good. So we drank the.

[Dave]

The drinking out of, like, a shell.

[Francis]

It was in, like, a wooden cup. Yeah. With a ladle.

[Dave]

Okay.

[Francis]

And I drank it. It was horrible. It was the most putrid. It was. So how much?

[Harry]

How many ounces?

[Francis]

Probably like 8 ounces.

[Harry]

So it took a while to drink it.

[Francis]

I chugged it.

[Harry]

Yeah.

[Dave]

Are you supposed to.

[Francis]

Yeah, they're like, take it down.

[Dave]

Like, do you have any, like. Like, what does it taste like? Like, mud, dirt?

[Francis]

Like, imagine if you imagine if you sucked the sugary coating off of Advil and then had to, like, suck a handful of Advil the rest of the way. Oh, it was really, really bitter.

[Dave]

Oh, I see. Okay. I know what you mean.

[Harry]

Yeah.

[Francis]

You're like, I shouldn't be drinking this.

[Dave]

Yeah.

[Francis]

It was very offensive to my taste buds. But then it took, like, probably 45 minutes for me to really start to feel the effects.

[Dave]

Oh, wow. I thought it was like an instant.

[Francis]

No. And then by the time that that was setting in, I remember feeling pretty upset. I started to cry a little bit, which was, I don't know, just like, this feeling I had. I had a lot of guilt washing over me. And then because of other stuff or

[Harry]

because you were doing a nasty, dirty drug.

[Francis]

I just sort of, like, had these flashbacks to moments in my life where I've, like, gotten it wrong.

[Dave]

Yeah.

[Francis]

You know what I mean?

[Harry]

Oh, that's bad.

[Francis]

Yeah. And I was thinking a lot about my parents.

[Dave]

So this is before it's kicked in or it's starting to kick in? Yeah. He's thinking about the parents. It's definitely kicked in.

[Harry]

I got to call my mom.

[Francis]

Yeah.

[Dave]

Yeah.

[Francis]

What's the safe word?

[Harry]

Turn it off.

[Francis]

How do you pronounce that? But yeah. So then my stomach sort of started to turn into knots, and that was when the nausea began. And they've got, like, a bucket there. They know you're going to throw up. Everybody throws up. Yeah. Yeah.

[Harry]

Yeah. Did this cost anything?

[Francis]

Yeah.

[Dave]

Did it A leg?

[Harry]

It wasn't your soul.

[Francis]

It wasn't as much as you would have thought.

[Harry]

Is it a thousand dollars?

[Francis]

It was 2,000 bucks.

[Dave]

Oh, that's not terrible.

[Francis]

No.

[Dave]

I thought it was gonna be, like. I honestly thought it was gonna be, like, 30.

[Francis]

I only went for one night. I think some people go for longer. Some people will go and, like, do. I think. I think they'll do multiple ceremonies.

[Harry]

And is there, like, something that they, like, tell you to focus on? Like, do they put on old episodes with Three Stooges or, like, the Lion King Live?

[Francis]

I mean, they tell you to, like, pinpoint the stress points in your life. And, like, for me specifically, they were like, all right, I want you to think about your. Your ego and sort of as this, like, creature inside of you. And, you know, there's a. There's a way to make it healthy, and there's a way that it can work against you, and you want to try to, like, push towards the healthy side of things and understand that, like, a confident sense of self and a healthy sense of self that's also grounded is vital to, like, living a balanced life.

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[Francis]

And so sort of, like, that lasted. That lasted for probably an hour, and then I sort of started gently to, like, come back to. I didn't see, like, tunnels and lights and shit. Oh, wait.

[Dave]

So that was it? That was, like, the peak.

[Francis]

Well, that after I threw up, it was like, an hour of just being upset.

[Dave]

So, like, are you, like. No, I get that. So, like, are you.

[Harry]

Are you.

[Dave]

You're with five other people or four other people and then assuming, like, staff or whatever?

[Francis]

I also. Watching them throw up. No.

[Dave]

So everyone's like, yeah, everyone's kind of, like, staring into the Woods.

[Francis]

And they're. Yeah, people are just like. And then. And then there was, like, a couple there, and they were, like, hugging each other and comforting each other. And I was like, I'm alone.

[Dave]

Yeah, you should have been like, can we get them out? Like, get them in a room or something?

[Harry]

Can we not.

[Dave]

No one wants to see that people throw up either.

[Harry]

That's like watching a demon leave someone. Yeah, that's a darker.

[Francis]

It wasn't co Great, but dog throw up. One thing that was cool. One thing that was cool was that they were talking about, like, people in my life that mattered to me and how, like, my treatment of them and my relationship with them and sort of how I can, like, how does my ego approach those relationships and stuff like that. And when I was leaving, they gave us these, like. I don't know, these, like, small vessels in which you can. Like. Basically, it's meant to, like, take you away from, you know, having relationships for the wrong reasons. And you can. It's symbolic and like, it. To be honest with you, I was a little fucked up when they were explaining.

[Dave]

Like, it just.

[Francis]

All. None of it. Nothing was really working that well. I was pretty numb and, like, loopy. But I thought I would give them to you guys because I spent so much time talking to you guys. And I just thought that this would be a cool gift.

[Harry]

This is such a cool gift.

[Dave]

I feel like this is gonna be something where, like, shit's gonna start going wrong in my apartment and it's all gonna be pointing back to the fucking vessel.

[Francis]

I mean, I would consider. I would consider trying it. So. Yeah. So close your eyes.

[Dave]

Like, why is it vibrating in the closet?

[Francis]

Close your eyes and put your hands out.

[Harry]

Why do I hear a tribe singing?

[Francis]

Okay, so those are. Go ahead, lift. Open your eyes.

[Dave]

Oh, hell, yeah.

[Harry]

You didn't try ayahuasca at all?

[Dave]

No, I. What is this?

[Harry]

This is from first class.

[Francis]

Yeah. He took a Delta flight.

[Harry]

I knew it, bro. You're so full of that.

[Francis]

Is the toilet kit they give you in Delta 1. I'm so. I thought that was all.

[Harry]

Yeah. What?

[Francis]

I forgot.

[Harry]

That's crazy.

[Francis]

He flew across the country on Delta.

[Dave]

Yeah, he did fly across.

[Francis]

I always make that mistake.

[Harry]

If you actually had golf with LeBron and Shane, I'm gonna be pissed.

[Dave]

You know what'? How dumb I am.

[Francis]

I really thought it was ayahuasca that I did this weekend.

[Dave]

But when you handed the flight to

[Francis]

San Francisco, when you handed us these,

[Dave]

I didn't even think, like, I knew it was the Delta thing. But I was like, oh, it wasn't. He didn't do ayahuasca upstate. He went somewhere else. Like, that's where I. I still thought you did ayahuasca. Yeah,

[Francis]

My fault, guys. I really. I really.

[Dave]

Well, now you have to do ayahuasca.

[Francis]

I totally.

[Harry]

You owe us ayahuasca. Because I bought into.

[Dave]

I was so bought in. I was ready to talk about that. For the whole episod episode.

[Francis]

Yeah, sort of. It's just. I don't know, it's all blur these days.

[Harry]

Grand. I was about to start asking the most specific questions about what type of material you sat on and. Like that.

[Francis]

Yeah, my fault.

[Dave]

I hate to be that guy too, but this is Mint would put this to shame.

[Francis]

Oh, come on now.

[Dave]

Come on.

[Francis]

Those are made by the hands of children in. In the Ayahuasca community.

[Harry]

Yeah. In the Missoni province.

[Dave]

In Mint, they give you over ear headphones with a case to keep. Now they collect them.

[Francis]

They do that in Delta 1. What are you talking about?

[Dave]

You're not a mint guy.

[Francis]

No, I'm not.

[Harry]

You haven't flown Delta 1. That's what that's showing about you.

[Dave]

I've flown Delta 1 twice, actually.

[Francis]

I had to get. I went both ways, Delta One. So I got one. I kept one on the way and then got the return as well.

[Harry]

So you didn't grab another one's unused return?

[Francis]

No.

[Harry]

So people have hit me with that before. They're like, hey, can I have your. Can I have your kit?

[Francis]

Wow.

[Harry]

That's. Not that. I don't know.

[Dave]

I'm pissed.

[Harry]

What?

[Dave]

So mad that you didn't do ayahuasca. I was really enjoying that story.

[Francis]

I am. I was too, to be honest with you.

[Harry]

Can we just live in the reality that you did ayahuasca and just talk about that?

[Francis]

Yeah. I mean, I feel like I basically described for you why I would go and what I would hope to get out of it.

[Dave]

Yeah. And so are you going to go?

[Francis]

All of that was just a ploy to hand you a Delta 1 toilet kit. It's all good.

[Dave]

I need the sleep mask anyway.

[Harry]

Well, I know you'd considered doing ayahuasca at one point.

[Francis]

Yeah. But then I just went on regular prescription antidepressants and they worked.

[Harry]

Johnson and Johnson actually has an ayahuasca treatment of their own called Lexa Pro.

[Francis]

Yeah, exactly.

[Harry]

Wow.

[Dave]

We might have to do it.

[Harry]

I had the clip loaded with follow up questions.

[Dave]

Oh, I had so many empty it

[Harry]

out, I was getting a little suspicious.

[Dave]

I was Getting a little suspicious because I feel like he was like, you talked about the throwing up. And then you were like. And then it kind of. And I was like, I feel like that's when it's supposed to ramp up to, like, the next. You were like, I didn't see anything.

[Francis]

You guys are probably accustomed to me telling, like, you were like, that's what we got the whole episode.

[Dave]

Oh, totally.

[Francis]

We got it.

[Dave]

Yeah. Yeah. This is going to be. I already, I already checked out in my head. I was done.

[Francis]

And I was like. And I was like, man, if the ayahuasca taught me anything, it's that I need to tell stories more quickly and also, especially if they're not true at all.

[Harry]

Is it like a 17 hour, like, trip?

[Dave]

It's a long. I think it's, I don't know. No, I don't think long. I think it's pretty quick, but I think it is, like, very intense.

[Harry]

I, I, I feel like people would be, people would appreciate if we got to the bottom of this. How long does a ayahuasca trip?

[Dave]

They say that when you're throwing up, it's called, like, they call it purging. And you're like, getting rid of, you're like, expelling, like the demons from your body and it's like an aggressive throw up. Did you look into it, though? Like, that seemed like there had to have been some truth there.

[Francis]

I mean, I've.

[Dave]

That place exists.

[Francis]

There is one up there. I didn't research much about any of it. All I really know is that I've watched, I watched like, the Aaron Rodgers documentary. Oh, yeah, I forgot he went into it.

[Dave]

He's got the fucking paint all over his face.

[Francis]

Yeah. And all the other people are like, Aaron, they're like hugging him and he's like, singing and it's like, yo, NFL MVP multiple times, time MVP monster. Aaron Rodgers is among us Gypsies as we.

[Dave]

That would be tough. That probably, like, with your eye, like, you come back from your ayahuasca trip and you're like, I guess I'm just like a huge packers fan now. I'm not really sure what, what I got from that.

[Harry]

And he's like, hugging these hairy armpit women and their hair's, like, locking up. Like, when two rams catch horns with each other, they're just like stuck, like two face masks. Stuck. Brutal. Yeah. 20 to 60 minutes is the onset. One to two hours is the peak. And then the come downs, four to six hours.

[Francis]

Well, I kind of nailed that. I said 45 minutes in and then I was like. It was an hour of peaking.

[Dave]

Four to six hour come down for an hour of peaking is pretty brutal.

[Francis]

Yeah, I don't, I, I'm afraid of it.

[Harry]

I bought that. You, I kind of bought it that, like it didn't really take for you because you said it was mostly dmt. And I tried to do DMT one time and I. But I smoked it. It's like a powder. And she's like, that's like doing, being doing.

[Dave]

That's how you're supposed to do it. You're supposed to like vaporize it.

[Harry]

Yeah, but that's like smoking crack. Like you're smoking a powder.

[Dave]

Well, you're not, but I don't think anyone snorts dmt, do they?

[Harry]

I don't know. I know people have it in like weed pens now, but it didn't, it didn't really do much for me. And a lot of people were like, oh, you didn't break through. Like I saw like hieroglyphs, but like that.

[Dave]

Why don't you just do it tonight? Get one of those pension.

[Harry]

I swear to God.

[Dave]

The kids go to bed.

[Harry]

Yeah. Hit the deemsters. I got four to six hours to

[Dave]

kill at the DMT yard.

[Harry]

Damn. I wanted you to have done it so bad.

[Francis]

Maybe I'll go do it. Maybe I'll go do it now. Now that I enjoyed telling.

[Dave]

I was honest. I was like, I, I, I like you. Don't you seem the. You seemed the exact same. And I was like, I feel like something like you would be. Definitely be a little different if you did it.

[Harry]

You'd come back like Indian.

[Dave]

Yeah.

[Harry]

In the middle of the forehead.

[Francis]

Yeah. Just come back wearing a sarong. Leather. Leather. Like you would be minimalist. I sold all my clothes.

[Dave]

Yeah. Barefoot.

[Francis]

I gave them away. I don't need anything. I haven't eaten in three days.

[Dave]

You come in barefoot with just all

[Harry]

of your belongings, sitting cross legged, looking like Rick Rubin. Beard grown out.

[Francis]

I see that you're wearing the shoes of the colonizer. Yeah, I, No, I went to San Francisco for the weekend.

[Dave]

Why did you go to San Fran? That's even weirder. The. Were you.

[Harry]

Did you stay at the one out there? I know that's your hotel.

[Francis]

No, I stayed at the Four Seasons, which was sick. It was pretty good.

[Dave]

Were you there on vacation?

[Francis]

No, I had to go shoot something.

[Harry]

Oh, business.

[Francis]

Yeah.

[Harry]

Not pleasure. No pleasure at all.

[Francis]

It was a pleasure. I played a golf club out there.

[Dave]

So we were Right.

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[Francis]

Yeah, but that wouldn't have squared with ayahuasca.

[Dave]

But when you came in, you said, what do you guys think I did this weekend?

[Francis]

And I'm pretty sure.

[Dave]

I said, I'm pretty sure you golfed in San Francisco.

[Francis]

You didn't say San Francisco.

[Dave]

No, I'm kidding.

[Harry]

He said, the Bay Area doesn't count. Had to be more specific. Can you tell us about the shoot or is that. Is that.

[Francis]

I was. It was a thing for Chase. It'll come out on my.

[Dave]

Chase got you going worldwide?

[Francis]

Yeah, baby. You know it.

[Harry]

You know, flew to San Fran for Chase. Hit the. Hit the links. I know you hit some nice restaurants and I know you linked with somebody.

[Francis]

I did go to a cool restaurant. It was called State Bird Provisions. It was cool. It's like this dim sum version of American food. I don't know. It was a little too chaotic, to be honest with you. They bring around these trays that have, like, this. It has like, a sign that says, like, $6. Oh, and it's these, like, specific types of oysters or, you know, ceviche type thing. But they're coming the whole time. So you don't know, really. In the beginning, you're like, yep, we'll take that, we'll take that, we'll take that. Halfway through, you're like, I would have passed on a few of those.

[Dave]

Yeah. If I knew.

[Francis]

If I knew none this was coming. And now I'm not that hungry. And I've only eaten, like, bread. Heavy things.

[Dave]

What is that? Like the Chinese dim sum?

[Harry]

Like he said.

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[Dave]

What you did was dim sum?

[Harry]

Yeah.

[Francis]

No, it is.

[Harry]

It's exactly.

[Francis]

You serious?

[Dave]

I didn't. That completely I was still thinking about the ayahuasca. I did ayahuasca this weekend. I was waiting for you to wrap up.

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[Dave]

Talk about my experience.

[Harry]

People do act like that is a proprietary. The dim sum experience is proprietary. But I saw Italian restaurant this weekend where people do that. They're like, you'll love this little Italian restaurant where they come out with, like, plates of spaghetti. Brazilian steakhouses do the same thing.

[Dave]

The Brazilian. I went to a Brazilian steakhouse, and that me so bad. Because they bring out the best cut of the steak last. And you're like, well, I just had skirt steak. Like, I was just hammering back chicken thigh.

[Francis]

Dude, I cannot imagine what a Brazilian steakhouse does to your stomach.

[Harry]

Yeah, you're shitting an anaconda.

[Dave]

My stomach's so up. It's like, not even. Like, it's actually, like, unacceptable at this point.

[Francis]

Yeah.

[Harry]

Yeah.

[Francis]

But you know why? And you don't choose to do anything about it.

[Dave]

What? Why?

[Francis]

Well, isn't the vaping really bad for it?

[Dave]

I quit vaping. Vaping.

[Harry]

Did you?

[Dave]

I've quit vaping like, a thousand times.

[Francis]

No.

[Dave]

Yes. But no. I actually have quit. I use the pouches now.

[Francis]

Fantastic.

[Dave]

The vaping. 100. My stomach up also. So does weed, which I'm. I'm taking a break from the.

[Francis]

You're off the fog.

[Dave]

Yeah.

[Francis]

How long has it been?

[Dave]

A day.

[Harry]

Oh, wow. So you're committed.

[Dave]

I'm. I'm in deep.

[Francis]

I think. You told us yesterday you were off the fog, and so if you're saying it's been a day.

[Dave]

When did I tell you guys? Yesterday. I told you this morning.

[Francis]

Is that what it was?

[Dave]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Francis]

Oh, okay. Yeah.

[Harry]

How does it feel? You feel fresh?

[Dave]

No. Feel awful. But I feel the exact same. I. I feel fine. I'll be fine. I'm. I. I just gotta. I gotta give the brain a reset, you know?

[Francis]

You know, it's great.

[Dave]

I'm not. I'm not reaching my full potential right now.

[Francis]

Ayahuasca.

[Harry]

Get him on the waska. Get him a fat couple.

[Dave]

Honestly, not a bad idea. The thing is, I'll just. Then I'll just. I'll just start doing ayahuasca every day. This is how I. Down at night, throwing up, got in a sippy cup.

[Harry]

Yeah.

[Dave]

And then I'll come in on Monday. I'll be like, my stomach's bro. I don't know what's going on.

[Francis]

Must have been a bad batch last night.

[Dave]

I had diarrhea because usually it's just the throwing up, and now I'M getting. I'm getting diarrhea on top of it.

[Harry]

I think that is. That was going to be one of my first questions is that people do themselves off of it. Off the waski.

[Dave]

I mean, that's got to just cut right through you straight to the ass.

[Harry]

Yeah.

[Dave]

That would be like, not like if you were to do. You were only to. And not throw up. I would do it just to get the out. Yeah. It's a natural laxative.

[Harry]

Severe nausea, vomiting, diarrhea, sweating and increased heart rate and blood pressure.

[Dave]

Yeah, that sounds like hell.

[Harry]

Yeah.

[Francis]

Bless you.

[Harry]

Just to get a little high. Just hit the pen.

[Dave]

The pen. The pen is the devil.

[Harry]

Well, the DMT pen. Yeah. True people have DMT pens. The Deemsters.

[Dave]

Nothing like, I see that on like, Twitter all the time.

[Harry]

The DMT pen.

[Dave]

Yeah.

[Harry]

Or the nasal spray full of ketamine.

[Dave]

Yeah, yeah, I've heard about that as well.

[Harry]

The Lawan.

[Dave]

Hey, you know, say, I heard Luan has one of those.

[Harry]

Yeah, the ones. Yeah.

[Francis]

Oh, yeah, I've seen that before. Someone had that at a wedding I went to Lawan and someone I knew dude took it and didn't really know what it was.

[Dave]

Yeah.

[Francis]

And then that person ended up getting very sick from it. All right, enough.

[Dave]

Can't do anything about it.

[Francis]

Enough. Enough already. It's performative.

[Harry]

Well, it's masturbatory. You are.

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[Harry]

Come on, bro.

[Dave]

I've been sick since I got back from Vegas. Just a little head cold.

[Harry]

Breathe that way.

[Dave]

I'm trying. Sorry.

[Harry]

Breathe a different way.

[Dave]

Maybe I'll just go home.

[Harry]

It looks. It feels like more like allergies though, though.

[Dave]

Yeah, it's been a. The sneezing is unbearable.

[Harry]

What's the fallout with the Vegas stuff? I saw that Dave wants you to live in a house.

[Dave]

Yeah. I don't really know. Like, I. I don't even know how that's possible. I live in New York City and I do a podcast in New York City.

[Harry]

Yeah.

[Dave]

But like, I mean, I don't really know. We have. I haven't talked to Dave about it. I know Jerry talked to him a little bit about it. I think Dave thinks, like, he sees the only way of it, like, really working is with a content house, which is a great idea. Like, we. We thought about that. That like, we want the players to be together regardless. But Dave obviously said me and Jerry have to live in the house full time. Jerry's got a family. Two kids.

[Harry]

Yeah.

[Francis]

He basically gave you an ultimatum that he knew you couldn't.

[Dave]

Yeah.

[Francis]

Exceed to.

[Dave]

But I'm. I'm hoping that there's some sort of in between that we can work out, you know, like where we maybe, like, I don't live in Chicago full time, but like, maybe if we have a tournament, like I was saying, like, I think if we have a content house, I think that completely removes the need for us to go to the tournaments in person. Like, obviously we want to go to the tournaments, but if we're getting all the in person content out of the way in Chicago now, I need you

[Harry]

to sneeze again because your nose, it's not going to. It's not going to get like. I need you to.

[Dave]

It's going to be like this for the rest of the day.

[Harry]

One more sneeze.

[Dave]

Yeah.

[Francis]

Allergies.

[Dave]

I don't know what it is.

[Harry]

See if there's anything in your ayahuasca kit.

[Francis]

Take a little look. There might be.

[Harry]

Use the socks to blow your nose.

[Francis]

Eastern medicine.

[Harry]

Start blowing your nose into that, that compression sock that they have in there.

[Francis]

Put the earplugs in your nostrils.

[Dave]

That's actually a good idea.

[Harry]

I think that Dave did the. It is a pro move when someone asks you for advice and you just give them something that's impossible to do. Yeah. And so it's like, yeah, come back to me when like you can run a 4, 240.

[Dave]

Yeah.

[Harry]

Bench press £500.

[Dave]

Yeah. No, he. He knows it's impossible, but I. If there's a world where we do. Where we are able to get like a house for the guys, I think that'll be sick. I think that would be awesome for like the online tournament.

[Francis]

It's so funny to me that, like, that's how you hear what he said.

[Dave]

Well, he suggested it, but he did

[Francis]

it only to have. Well, you guys there.

[Harry]

He.

[Dave]

There was a day between suggesting the content house and then the ultimatum. We just got to get him back in the mood of. Before the ultimatum.

[Francis]

I'm telling you, I don't think Dave's going to put, put. He's not going to buy or rent a house for four.

[Dave]

But it would, if you think about it.

[Francis]

Gaming burnouts.

[Dave]

But if you think about it, for bums. If you think about it, it would be cheaper than us going to the

[Harry]

tournaments for those budget conversations that everyone's

[Dave]

dying to hear about here.

[Francis]

Dave, we're going to save you money.

[Dave]

There's no good way to frame it.

[Francis]

Buy a house for.

[Dave]

There's no good way to frame any conversation where you have to ask for money. Money, dude, the thing the Thing is always bad.

[Francis]

Even if those guys lived in a house together, they still wouldn't talk to each other.

[Dave]

No, they would. They definitely would. And they would blow up all. Like, they would get in fights all the time and it would be good content. But I, I don't know. I'm. We'll figure that out.

[Harry]

Do you know any other brands at Barstool that have like, not only like one content or not only one budget meeting, but like dozens of budget meetings?

[Francis]

I've never seen anything like this phenomenon in my life. I've. I've never seen such a physical manifestation of mountain out of a molehill.

[Dave]

It's just, it just doesn't stop.

[Harry]

They're like creating bureaucracy in real time. You're like create. Putting like middlemen. You're like creating like. It's pretty. It's just, it's just nuts to watch.

[Dave]

Well, there's just a lot of shit that they, that we have to do. Like, I don't think. I don't know. I don't know.

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[Dave]

The only other brand that I've been a part of from the ground up is this one. But this brand, we didn't have any meetings ever.

[Harry]

And that's how I like it.

[Dave]

But like, I, I don't know if that's because we didn't have meetings or if that's because the bar stool people in the, in the background were handling everything. Like, I know we, I know this brand has a budget. Like we have a budget that we're allowed to use, but like we didn't. It's not like we all met and sat down and like broke down the numbers and we're like, we should be fine with.

[Francis]

Well, my guess, my guess is that one of the reasons we don't end up having meetings is because we really don't use any of our budget. We're very.

[Dave]

Yeah, it's a cost free show.

[Francis]

We don't really do that. I wouldn't say it's cost free, but

[Dave]

I mean it's damn near.

[Francis]

Again, we have three brilliant producers, seven cameras, all these lights. That, that comes with a cost.

[Dave]

Well, I know it comes with the cost of us being employed from Barstool, but there's no like extra cost. Like this is all of our jobs.

[Harry]

What was up with that Discord manager talking on mooc?

[Dave]

Oh yeah. I mean that's. That goes back months.

[Harry]

Who. What's that all about?

[Dave]

I mean, it's not really my thing.

[Harry]

Did you see this, this dude in Austin were basically like, how can we get. How can we get Mook out of here?

[Dave]

This was the end of. This was the end of the relationship with Austin, though. This is, like, what sparked the whole thing.

[Harry]

And he's. And Austin was like, we. I would. But, like, you just. You don't understand the power of friendship. Him and Sass are friends, so I can't get rid of him.

[Francis]

Wow.

[Harry]

But I would put this. I'll put this discord manager in. In Telluride Bush if I could.

[Dave]

But this is what. This was the argument that I had when I was saying that he wants.

[Francis]

Does he know who that guy is?

[Dave]

We all know who he is. He's been working with us since the beginning.

[Francis]

Have you met him?

[Dave]

Yeah, my name multiple times.

[Francis]

Oh, he shows up.

[Dave]

He comes to the events.

[Francis]

Yeah, got it.

[Dave]

But, like, I don't know. I don't. I don't really got anything to say about him. Like, he's fine. He does his job well. Well, he crossed every single line that you could possibly imagine.

[Francis]

That's not doing your job well.

[Dave]

Well, he did. Like, he did do his job well. Like, he showed up every. Like, when we won the major in. In Atlanta. Like, he was, like, getting the players everything they needed, getting them waters, getting them food. He's like. He's keeping track of all, like, the statistics and stuff, like, letting them players know when they have to play. Every. He was doing everything. He's just doing, like, all of, like, the little that no one else wanted to do.

[Francis]

Do.

[Dave]

And we were like, we loved him. We were gassing him up big time. We were like. We were like, phenom's a superstar.

[Francis]

That's his name. Phenom.

[Dave]

Well, that's his, like, discord name.

[Francis]

Oh. And then I didn't know if it was, like, he was Vietnamese and it was phe.

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[Harry]

Phenom.

[Dave]

No. And we have, like, very fun. I brought waters.

[Harry]

I did everything for them.

[Dave]

We have, like, very funny clips of him, like, yelling in the. In the. When the. When the players are playing. Like, they. When the. When they're playing and they get a kill, they yell out dead. Like, they scream like, dead.

[Francis]

It's actually pronounced fu, But took me too long. Ayahuasca.

[Dave]

Yeah. So, like, we have funny clips of him yelling out dead. When the players are playing. Like, he's. Oh, that looked painful. All passion. He's all passion. And then the thing happened with Austin. He's. He's DMing Austin, saying that he should have Mook's job. Obviously, like, we're not going to work with him after that. The craziest thing was, like, Austin siding. Like, that was the whole thing where I was saying, remember. I don't know if you guys remember last week when I was talking about it, and I was like, Austin said, like, he wants us to be taking advice from, like, the fans. And that was who he was referring to.

[Francis]

And that's not quite as. I don't know how to put it. It's not as bad as I thought it was worse.

[Dave]

It's worse.

[Francis]

You just.

[Dave]

I don't think that. I don't think you are grasping it. I can explain it. The.

[Francis]

I do grasp it. You just sang that guy's praises and said that he's a very intrinsic part of the whole operation. He shows up.

[Dave]

He knows there's a lot of people involved in Bush, and a lot of them are very passionate and. And are very happy to be doing this. That doesn't mean that they are like, I don't. I don't. I don't want to, like, kill Phenom here. But, like, Barstool is never going to hire Phenom. He doesn't bring anything to the table that Barstool would hire, especially now after he publicly tried to take Moocs job.

[Francis]

I think I meant that when you said that Austin said, you need to listen to the fans, I thought he was referring to just, like, random people on Twitter.

[Dave]

But he's not like that. He is so, like, Phenom's whole thing is that he moderates this Discord. Discord is very similar to Reddit, where, like, it's like, essentially it's like one big group chat. Like, you. You all, like. It's all a bunch. There's like. We have, like. There's probably like, 100 dudes in there every day that are talking and. And shitting on us and talking about the Bush, which is whatever. That's what all of those things are for. Phenom texted Mook a list of, like, suggestions from the Discord. And if you look at the Discord, these people are just ragdolling on us constantly, which, again, I don't care. That's what that Discord is for. That's what they're gonna do with it. But that doesn't mean, like, we gotta be in there looking at their sick.

[Harry]

Jeez. Yeah, they're not, Tony.

[Dave]

No, no, exactly. And singing their praises. So Mook responded to Phenom and was like, I don't give a fuck what the Discord's saying. Like, I'm not. We're not listening to those guys. Very valuable. Valid. If you read the Discord ever, you would understand that is an extremely valid response to that. And then Phenom sent that to. To Austin pretty much saying, like, mook won't listen to any of our suggestions. Like, he's not doing a good job, et cetera, et cetera, whatever. Crazy move by Phenom to try to publicly take Mook's job. And then the craziest thing is that Austin sided with Phenom. Like, is that not fucking. Like, I get, like, Barstool is a place of, like, tough love and stuff, but that's like, you're.

[Francis]

You're.

[Dave]

You're literally going against an employee of the company that you supposedly, like, stand for. Like, he's like, this is all like. Like, you know, he talks. He has the conversations where he's like. He's like, Jerry's one of the. One of the dumbest guys we got. And it's like, well, if it's a whole we thing, like, why are you publicly. Why are you publicly talking shit about one of your employees to a Discord?

[Harry]

That's like, if. If someone on. Like, Reddit's like, kate should be off the act. And then. And then someone's like, in.

[Dave]

The response is being like, yeah, like, what the. Is like, even if Austin hates Mook, that's not something you do. I wouldn't. Like, if. If me and you got an argument, I wouldn't go on the Instagram. I wouldn't be replying to Instagram. DMS being like, yeah, Francis needs to figure his out. Like, that's cr. Like, talk to a therapist. That's not a conversation you have with a f. Barstool. And I don't want, like, I know I said Phenom does a lot, but at the end of the day, he's a fan of Barstool. Like, he's obsessed with Barstool. Like, it's crazy.

[Francis]

Yeah, I was just thinking. I don't know what I was thinking. I. I think that. I think that people in these communities, they. They make. Make it seem like what they're sharing is fundamental truth.

[Dave]

Yeah.

[Francis]

And if they were to allow. And we do it here at Barstool, too, where it's like, if you allow the truth to actually seep in, which is that, like, none of this is either necessarily correct or that there are other opinions out there or that there are more important people and things happening, then it punctures that bubble that you've created.

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[Francis]

So I don't really have a whole lot else. I Was trying to just get really philosophical.

[Harry]

It's nice. I. I've been enjoying your philosophical takes. I liked you. You even philosophically coming in, being, like, ego and stuff like that.

[Francis]

Yeah, well, that is something that I've been really struggling with. In truth, if I were to go to an Ayahuasca retreat, I would be. Try trying to do it for that reason.

[Harry]

You know? Who. Who would be better at Ayahuasca retreat than you? New Phenom. Maybe Phenom will be better than all of us.

[Francis]

I'm not going with that guy. I stand with Mook.

[Harry]

We should just have Phenom on the show.

[Francis]

Mookie's my buddy. I like Mook a lot.

[Dave]

I mean, if you've met. If you ever have met Mook and you've met Austin and you've met Phenom, it's pretty easy to walk away from this one and be like, yeah, Mook's definitely the most sane person in this.

[Francis]

Mm.

[Harry]

Yeah. I just had to bring it up because I saw who. Who published the DMS between Phenom and Austin.

[Dave]

Phenom did. He thought he posted them to the Discord thinking it was gonna, like, like, bail him out, and then, like, because he, like, pretty much runs the Discord, like, they look at him like he's God, dude.

[Francis]

The whole time you were talking, I was just thinking about how my Ayahuasca healer would have coached me through that situation. I, like, it was. It's like the Louie bit where, like, I literally imagined had done it, and I was like, what? How did she tell me to treat. How did mother counsel me through these moments?

[Harry]

Those trips are hard because, like, I was. I'm empathizing with you as if you had done it as well, because, like, you. You seek this, like, greater meaning, and then maybe you'll get a shred of truth, and then you, like, try to hold on to it so tight, and then you wake up the next day, you're like, wait, what was it? What was the universal truth that I. I learned from that?

[Dave]

I feel like you just got to leave those. Like, you're leaving those places, like. And you're like, I just got fucked up last night. It's all that happened.

[Francis]

No, no, no, no, no.

[Dave]

You didn't do it. You never done Ayahuasca.

[Harry]

You're talking.

[Dave]

You're talking from the same thing as all of us.

[Francis]

Where do you think I got these dream catchers from? I think there is something. Everyone says it. It fundamentally rewires your.

[Dave]

Yeah, they don't Want to admit they just paid $2,000 to. You'll get.

[Harry]

He made up the price.

[Dave]

Like, don't you get it? It's probably more. It's probably more. $10,000 to get for 30 minutes

[Harry]

and

[Dave]

then leave and be like, I feel like I'm a better person now.

[Harry]

I actually. I am better. I'm actually better than all you do.

[Dave]

I feel like I get it now.

[Francis]

Yeah. Well, I'll be honest with you. I didn't even do it. And I had. I didn't. Your story didn't bother me like, all of that. I just. I pictured it as like drops of water rolling off my shoulders into an infinite ocean that never rises above my ankle bones.

[Dave]

Yeah, you're right. I'm honestly, I'm glad we ended that story when we did because I'm probably

[Francis]

sick of tired talking about it.

[Dave]

Yeah, I'm a little sick of talking about it. I feel like I got everything out that I wanted to say last week.

[Francis]

I think that's fair. And you did a great job. It was an all time episode. Probably the best one we've ever done.

[Dave]

Well, I don't know about that.

[Francis]

Let's put it this. That's the hardest I've ever laughed at anything you've ever said.

[Harry]

And you're a professional comedian.

[Francis]

Maybe the hardest I've ever. Maybe the hardest. Certainly the hardest. I think I've laughed on the podcast and probably the hardest I've laughed truly out loud in like five to ten years. I was. I was in so much pain.

[Dave]

I think the hardest I've ever laughed on the podcast is when we had war mode on and. And you asked Billy if he was a flat earther and he was like, well, I'm not married to the globe.

[Francis]

Here's a funny little. Little segue. Okay. Yeah, funny little thing. When I was flying home yesterday, I, you know they bring you the food in Delta One.

[Dave]

Yeah.

[Harry]

And I had the short rib.

[Francis]

I had the chicken astronaut food. It was pretty solid. It was fine.

[Dave]

20,000 milligrams of sodium.

[Francis]

Yeah, it was definitely.

[Harry]

It's delicious. What are you talking about? Are you trying to disparage Delta all of a sudden?

[Dave]

I'm not. I love Delta.

[Harry]

You just forget who you are.

[Dave]

I love Delta seats.

[Francis]

The one thing you should not have that they bring are those little shrimp. Shrimp poison.

[Dave]

Those have never been in water.

[Francis]

Yeah. That is. I would not eat that. Those are shrimp. Those are like tree shrimp.

[Harry]

Yeah.

[Francis]

Maggots. Really all it is earthworms that have been petrified into the shape of a hook. But they took our food away. And I'm sitting next to a guy who. He's wearing, like, a cypress quarter zip, which is one of the sickest golf clubs in the country. So he's my age, so, you know, you're gonna talk.

[Dave]

Well, I'm gonna be some talking on.

[Francis]

I had already talked to him a little bit, and he's in the aisle, and I'm in. To the left of him.

[Dave]

Yeah.

[Francis]

And she comes by, and she's got. She's got these, like. It was the dessert portion, and it was. You could either do, like, cheese and nuts, or you could do this sort of like. I guess it was like a tiramisu bar, Right. And I was like, I'll do the chocolatey thing. She handed it to me, and she was like, I'll be right back with your spoons. And I went, that's okay. I'll just eat it with my hands. And she went, what? And I then picked it up, and it was so soft.

[Dave]

Oh, really?

[Francis]

It was like.

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[Dave]

Thought it was going to be like

[Francis]

a. I thought it was like a brownie. And my fingers just went right through the middle of it. And, dude, me and this dude started laughing so hard. I was so embarrassed. She watched me just go, like, try to pick it up and just have it all. It's all over my hands. And I went. I thought it was solid.

[Harry]

That's like picking up foam. It's like picking up a bubble bath.

[Francis]

And I licked my fingers, and I was like, I'll take the spoon. She's like, I thought you might.

[Harry]

Damn, that's hilarious.

[Dave]

Your fingers going right through.

[Francis]

So funny.

[Harry]

A pinch through.

[Dave]

Speaking of that. Or I guess kind of if we're just going. We're going to some loose transitions here. I watched the Back Rooms last night.

[Harry]

Okay, that's nothing to do with what Francis said.

[Dave]

Well, kind of. Have you seen it?

[Harry]

They go through a wall.

[Dave]

They go through the wall, and it's very.

[Francis]

What's the back room?

[Dave]

Straight through.

[Francis]

Through.

[Dave]

No. No crunch or breaking open. It's probably one of the worst movies ever made.

[Harry]

I thought people love that, bro.

[Dave]

That movie was.

[Francis]

I've never even heard.

[Dave]

And it was one of those horror movies. It came out right when Obsession came out.

[Francis]

Okay.

[Dave]

So it was very overshadowed by Obsession. But, like, right when they both came out, the talk of the town was like, oh, Obsession in the Back Rooms just came out. And then it slowly became Obsessions in theater.

[Francis]

Yeah.

[Dave]

And then it was. No one's talking about the background yeah.

[Harry]

Didn't Lev read for the. The lead role of it.

[Dave]

Of Obsession? Not backrooms.

[Harry]

I thought it was backrooms.

[Dave]

Which actually is. It does. It's funny. That does make sense because it's such, like, a low budget, like, indie film.

[Harry]

What does that mean?

[Dave]

It means Lev's not getting auditions to be in Marvel movies.

[Francis]

Means Lev will be paid in pizza.

[Dave]

But shout out Lev, by the way, great guy.

[Harry]

No, no, you just threw him under the. But you just.

[Dave]

No, I didn't throw him under the bus. You tried to make it. That. I threw him under.

[Harry]

You were easily.

[Dave]

You tried to.

[Harry]

You tried. I was saying that he got. No, you tried this for a sick

[Dave]

movie, but you were like, no, no. Yeah, the way that you said it was like, that didn't happen. And then I justified Lev's comment and said, actually, no, that's true. He did get an audition for the

[Harry]

better movie of the two, and I was trying to big him up.

[Dave]

And then you thought he got an audition for the worst one.

[Harry]

No, no.

[Dave]

Yeah, yeah.

[Harry]

You're saying his dog.

[Dave]

You said bat obsess.

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[Harry]

I didn't watch either of them, so how would I know that?

[Dave]

Great. It's not that good, but it's better than the back rooms, that's for sure.

[Harry]

I just thought it was cool that Lev had an audition for something. You're like, well, he's not. He's not in Marvel shape.

[Dave]

No, you were trying.

[Harry]

I'm like, what do you mean?

[Dave]

Anyone wanted me to put him on the spot and say nasty things about him, which I would never do.

[Harry]

No, you just intentionally, voluntarily said nasty things.

[Dave]

I heard. I heard you were with my boy Pete this weekend as well. Buddha judge at the nicest. Big guy guy, hard to miss. Tallest guy you've ever seen.

[Harry]

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, that. That stand owns that.

[Dave]

That spot.

[Harry]

Yeah, that spot.

[Francis]

Now, where was it? Chelsea Music Hall.

[Harry]

Yeah.

[Francis]

Oh, cool.

[Harry]

How'd you know they bought Chelsea Music Hall?

[Francis]

Because we were looking at that as a venue for me to potentially film something.

[Harry]

Really? Yeah.

[Dave]

Pretty cool venue.

[Harry]

Ceilings are a little low.

[Francis]

Yeah.

[Harry]

Is that what you came up with?

[Francis]

No, I mean, I've done shows there before for.

[Harry]

How was it?

[Francis]

Depends. Ceilings are kind of low, but that's what you want.

[Dave]

You want low ceilings.

[Harry]

That's what I'm saying.

[Francis]

Yeah.

[Dave]

I also feel like the ceilings aren't very low. No, I've done a couple shows there. It's fun. I mean, it's a good club.

[Harry]

Yeah. Great club.

[Dave]

It's. I don't. I wouldn't say it's on. It's as good as the stand. Like their main.

[Harry]

I wouldn't even call it a club, dude.

[Francis]

I'm. I'm in such a weird place right now, mentally. Like, I literally was so convinced that I had done ayahuasca that I'm now seeing all of this conversation as though how I would react.

[Dave]

I would love to find out that you did do it and you just kind of, like, got nervous and bailed halfway through that conversation.

[Francis]

That would be awesome.

[Harry]

Did you hear Snoop Dogg's story about ayahuasca this week? He basically said that he did ayahuasca one time and it was a terrible experience. And he thought he died for 15 minutes and literally was hovering over his body, watching his. His body from, like, outside of it.

[Francis]

Yeah, I'm.

[Dave]

I'm good on that, dude.

[Francis]

I met a couple guys out in San Francisco who are part of the. They're members of the Bohem Bohemian Grove. Oh, you know about that?

[Dave]

Yeah. Yeah. That's pretty crazy. Are they like.

[Francis]

So it's like. It's not crazy.

[Dave]

Yeah. Coming from three guys that are members of Bohemian Grove.

[Harry]

Yeah.

[Dave]

It's actually pretty laid back, bro.

[Francis]

Bohemian Grove.

[Harry]

The kids want to be there.

[Dave]

We were making.

[Francis]

We were making the joke. They were like, if anything, it's gay.

[Harry]

Yeah.

[Francis]

It's just men going into the woods and listening to folk musicians play the guitar.

[Dave]

Yeah.

[Francis]

And talking a little bit with. With like, the head of the treasury about what interest rates are going to do in the next year.

[Dave]

Yeah. Where'd you meet what interest rates are going to do?

[Harry]

Yeah.

[Dave]

They're deciding if we should invade Iran or not. I'll tell you why that's what's happening.

[Francis]

And I hope my dad wouldn't mind saying that. My dad's Ben, and he's the most normal person alive. He's not out there burning children at the fucking stake.

[Dave]

That's what you think.

[Francis]

I know.

[Harry]

I would never disparage your father.

[Dave]

Would hope. I'm not going to disparage your father

[Harry]

either, but it's like his dad, Lev, who won't you disparage phenom? This is you.

[Dave]

This is all you.

[Harry]

What did he say about it?

[Francis]

He said it was cool. Like, you know, you. You see interesting people. There's really talented artists. There's like artists that come and, you know, tell stories or they play music or whatever. And then other than that, it's just like rich dudes and.

[Dave]

But I thought all the most of the history was from, like, more in the past than it is now.

[Francis]

I mean, it's still pretty vibrant now they go. It's a certain number of weekends of the summer.

[Dave]

I tried to watch a documentary about it and the only one that was out there was made by Alex Jones.

[Francis]

Yeah, exactly.

[Dave]

I think it's like him narrating the whole thing.

[Francis]

By the way, if you're still aligned on anything in the world with Alex Jones, you need to kind of go another way. I think he's been at this point discredited. Well, he's fully compared. That's like.

[Dave]

He's been compromised for a minute since Israel took over.

[Francis]

Sure. Okay. Jesus Christ. Anyway.

[Dave]

Well, it's true. I mean, he had all these opinions and then all of his opinions completely

[Harry]

180'd what do you think that that has anything to do with that massive lawsuit that he lost where he has to pay a billion dollars?

[Dave]

Yeah, he doesn't have money like that.

[Harry]

It doesn't have the cash.

[Dave]

I mean, he's a piece of. He's a bad guy.

[Harry]

He doesn't have the cash to freely think anymore.

[Dave]

He's a bad guy, but he's also compromised. Okay, that twisted.

[Francis]

Well, either way. My point is that at the Bohemian Grove, that the somehow conspiracy theory latched on, found it latched itself onto it. And then these guys that I was hanging with who are normal and like, one of them had gone recently. He said that as he was driving out of it after the weekend of like, you know, camping and doing all this fun stuff and getting fun up. That, like, as he drove out of the gates of the forest or whatever, there were like 40 paparazzi slash conspiracy theorists, like, with their cameras desperately trying to get shots of whoever was leaving.

[Dave]

Yeah.

[Francis]

What a. How pathetic. Imagine staking that out.

[Dave]

I wanna. I wanna be on your side here, but I'm having a hard time. I'll be honest.

[Francis]

I guess my point is if you do assume that there is nothing going on there. Yeah, that's pathetic.

[Dave]

If you assume there's nothing going on.

[Francis]

But that is my assumption, because my dad went.

[Harry]

Yeah, yeah.

[Dave]

I mean, look, I don't think it's

[Francis]

like, maybe my dad's like, we can't trust him. We're not going to show him where we fucking filet.

[Dave]

The kids talk about it on his podcast.

[Harry]

Yeah.

[Francis]

His son's got a big mouth. It's like they showed him what North Korea shows tourists. This is where we have our folk songs.

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[Dave]

Campfires.

[Harry]

Yeah.

[Francis]

S'.

[Harry]

Mores.

[Francis]

Would you like a s'?

[Harry]

More?

[Francis]

Mr. Ellis?

[Dave]

Yeah, I don't know. I mean, I don't. Again, I really don't know when the cops show up.

[Francis]

And what's that movie where they have the house party and it's like Project X.

[Dave]

It's a great movie.

[Francis]

And all the people are in the back just quietly like.

[Harry]

Yeah.

[Francis]

Have a good evening.

[Dave]

Have you ever seen that Friday beer sketch with Where Will Angus? He's like, shows up on the 4th of July by.

[Francis]

Yeah, I did.

[Dave]

And they're all hiding under the balcony.

[Francis]

That was pretty darn good.

[Dave]

Very funny. I don't know a lot about Bohemian Grove. I, I, I heard about it, I think, on a War Mode episode. And then I tried to, like, do look into it, and then I couldn't really find anything. I would assume it's probably. There's probably nothing crazy happening there.

[Francis]

Correct.

[Harry]

It's crazy not to. If, if you think that there's, like, pedophilia going on to, like, wait by the gates and try and grab a picture as opposed to trying.

[Francis]

What are you doing? Like, that's not helping.

[Dave]

Yeah.

[Francis]

Do you really think kids a couple miles away, down in the woods that are, you know, getting abused? Yeah.

[Dave]

Let's get a closer shot maybe.

[Francis]

Let's, let's, let's get photos of the perpetrators.

[Dave]

Are there any, like, notable, like, famous people that have gone there? I mean, I know, like, like presidents,

[Harry]

like Ronald Ray or. No, like Richard Nixon or some shit. What am I thinking of? Camp David. I know they all went to Camp David, but there was, like, some singing in the woods.

[Dave]

Well, isn't Camp David, like, a part of, like, the government owns it?

[Francis]

The what? Yeah, that's the president sort of retreat.

[Dave]

I think the idea there was like, let's build a Bohemian Grove just for the president.

[Harry]

Bohemian Grove, East Coast. If you're a pedophile, but don't like long plane rides. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Dave]

You're not really in for that long flight.

[Harry]

Get a home.

[Dave]

Imagine Camp David.

[Harry]

We just got the brochure for Camp David.

[Francis]

What

[Dave]

can we, can we look up celebrities that have been to Bohemian Grove?

[Harry]

Also, like, are they paying the folk singers?

[Francis]

And also, like, I think that artists get some kind of free membership. Like, you can be an artist member,

[Harry]

but you have to perform every time.

[Francis]

There's an expectation that you will do, like, you will present your art in some way.

[Harry]

So it's a corporate gig.

[Dave]

Yeah, yeah. And they're getting them. They met. You must get paid. You should have honestly tried to get in on that, Francis.

[Francis]

Well, I just have no Idea, really. I don't know my much myself about what the point of doing it is other than kind of making connections.

[Dave]

Jimmy Buffett. All right.

[Francis]

It's good people there. Conan o'. Brien.

[Dave]

Conan and Jimmy Buffett.

[Francis]

Jimmy Buffett.

[Dave]

I think this might. This place might rule.

[Francis]

Yeah, exactly.

[Dave]

Imagine being out in the woods with your boys listening to a live Jimmy Buffett concert.

[Francis]

I knew Henry Kissinger went. I knew that. Yeah, I mean, it would be cool to, like, listen to the world leaders and thought leaders tell you guys. Kind of a little bit more of the inside scoop on what's happening with, you know, foreign policy and, I don't

[Harry]

know, going camping with Michael Bloomberg sounds like ass.

[Francis]

Yeah. But I think that a lot of the camps are much more like glampy.

[Dave]

Yeah.

[Francis]

I think you can kind of really judge it up a little if you go with the right people.

[Harry]

You know who I think has a camp like that? Fucking Papa John. Oh, no, no, not Papa John. Jimmy John. On.

[Dave]

Oh, wait, is that. It says Nixon said. Longtime member who famously referred to the camp in tapes as the most faggy goddamn thing you can ever imagine.

[Harry]

And that's Nixon. That's Nixon saying it.

[Dave]

That's crazy. I haven't heard that word in a watt. Faggy, like an adjective.

[Harry]

Yeah. Well, I mean, that was probably 68 when he said that. You. When did your dad. Dad go?

[Francis]

Once they stratified it.

[Dave]

Yeah. Once it wasn't gay anymore.

[Francis]

Once my dad was like, okay, now we're good.

[Dave]

So does that mean that Nixon wasn't a fan of it?

[Harry]

Or was that like he's saying, singing a ringing endorsement.

[Francis]

Yeah, he went all the time, but he thought it was gay. And that's kind of what I said. That started funny.

[Harry]

Yeah.

[Francis]

It just sounds great, but sometimes a guy. Guys gotta. Gotta hang out with guys in the woods.

[Dave]

Yeah.

[Francis]

Come on. What are we talking about?

[Harry]

So they're like Boy Scouts.

[Francis]

Where are we supposed to hang out? It can't all be on the golf course or at the.

[Dave]

No, sometimes you gotta get. You gotta hit a creek sometimes.

[Francis]

Yeah, you gotta get to a creek.

[Harry]

Can't just be in the discord.

[Dave]

No, no, you gotta. You gotta touch grass. Like, people joke about it, but you really do.

[Francis]

Yeah, you gotta smell earth. You gotta rub pine SAP on your fingers.

[Harry]

You gotta unite the clans, too.

[Dave]

Did I even tell you guys about the moose that we saw in Wyoming? Oh, it was crazy. We've seen a bunch in Wyoming. Wyoming. Like, the place that we usually go in northern Wyoming, we see like hundreds, and they're like right around where we're fishing and you just got to be like, super alert the whole time. This place that we were at, like, we. There was. We were kind of under the assumption that, like, there's pro. We heard coyotes at night, but that was it. There's a ton of like, cattle around, so we were like, there's probably not like bears or anything like that. We saw one moose the whole time. And it was like we were turning the corner of a riv. A river on the beach bank and we saw. We saw the moose and it was sitting down across the river, like very like probably like a hundred feet. And. And then it got up and it was. When it got up, it was the size of like,

[Harry]

it's like the room. Like the size of the room.

[Dave]

Like, like a. Like a ram pickup truck.

[Francis]

Wow, that's a good comp. I was wondering what you were going to pull.

[Dave]

Like, like a literal house.

[Francis]

Yeah.

[Dave]

And then it starts running towards us. It crosses the river towards us. And we immediate, like it crossed the river, which, by the way, was so deep, like, we couldn't cross the river because it was like up to our necks.

[Francis]

Right.

[Dave]

It walked through the river.

[Francis]

Their legs actually extend down.

[Dave]

That's what it looked.

[Francis]

When they go into the.

[Dave]

Its body did not get wet.

[Francis]

They. It's like a tripod. They unhook one of the buckles, circles,

[Harry]

and you can lengthen it out.

[Dave]

Yeah, yeah. It's like kick.

[Francis]

Yeah.

[Harry]

The spider from Wild Wild West.

[Dave]

Yes.

[Harry]

Yeah, it was.

[Dave]

And then it. And then we started walking the other way and luckily it turned. It turned the opposite way, bro. When it turned and it started running. I've never seen a moose run like that. I mean, it must have been going 100 miles per hour.

[Francis]

What was your plan when it started? What would you have done?

[Dave]

We had bear spray.

[Francis]

So, like, does it do moose?

[Harry]

Moose.

[Francis]

Are they.

[Dave]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Francis]

They acceptable to that? It would.

[Dave]

I mean, it would. It would. Yeah, it would definitely respond to that.

[Francis]

Can you climb a tree to get away from a moose? Yeah, that's probably.

[Dave]

There were no trees around. Like, the thing is, like, moose are mostly in like, meadows with a lot of like, bushes and.

[Francis]

Oh, interesting.

[Harry]

Who has that? Who had the bear spray on them? All three of you?

[Dave]

We tripled up.

[Harry]

Did. Were you guys. Were you guys like locked and loaded when you saw it? You guys all had hands on weapons?

[Dave]

Yeah, of course.

[Francis]

Really?

[Dave]

Yeah, bro. You're walking through the woods with your hand on it the whole time.

[Francis]

Holy.

[Dave]

Dude.

[Harry]

Really?

[Dave]

Because, dude, you like the it's not like when you get in, at least from what I understand. Like, I. I don't think it's like when you get attacked by or you get, you know, like, attempted to be attacked by, like, a moose or a bear. It's usually not like they see you from a mile away and they're like, I'm gonna kill this person. It's usually like you scare them and it scares you and then it attacks you. So it's like if you're going through, like, the deep woods and stuff, stuff. Like, you have to be, like, making a lot of noise so you know, you're walking and you're just constantly. You're like, hey, moose. Hey, moose. Like, stuff like that.

[Francis]

Wait, do you say, hey, moose or hey, bear?

[Dave]

It depends on what. What area you're in.

[Francis]

You know, which neighborhoods belong to which.

[Dave]

I mean, you kind of can get an idea. Yeah.

[Francis]

Why?

[Dave]

Because, like, if you're better schools, bears are not going to go to places where there's people or there's like, any signs of people. Like, they're like, they will, but they won't.

[Francis]

They have bigger backyards.

[Dave]

Yes. They're in the deep, deep woods. So, like, the place that we hiked the first half of the trip, like, that was like grizzly country. Like, we. When. When Bo talked to the rancher that owned it, he was like, this whole area is called the kill zone. And he said that the elk come through here in the mornings and the bears camp out and then they take down the elk.

[Francis]

That I thought bears. I thought bears were, by and large, plant eating.

[Dave]

Oh, I mean, I'm sure it's a little bit of everything.

[Francis]

I mean, they eat salmon. I know. Yeah, but I thought, like, grizzly bears, by and large. I didn't know a grizzly bear would eat an elk. Can you look that up, please, Tyler?

[Dave]

That's what the guy told us. Unless he was just with us, which I did have some suspicions about.

[Francis]

I wouldn't have.

[Dave]

Are you sure that guy wasn't just saying that to, like, make us scared? He said the area that we were camping in, they called it. He said that's where they get all their kills.

[Francis]

Wow.

[Harry]

Yes. They eat oak.

[Francis]

Okay, you learn something new. Listen, they eat large. I don't need to know. I don't know who. That I'm stupid.

[Dave]

You've made it this far in your life without knowing it.

[Francis]

Yeah, exactly. If someone tells me there's a kill zone nearby, I'm going the other way.

[Harry]

All right?

[Francis]

I'm smart enough to Know that we

[Dave]

had already set up our camp completely and just decided, yeah.

[Harry]

When the three of you guys walk, who walks first?

[Dave]

Surprisingly, on the way there, it was me.

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[Dave]

I was leading the charge because.

[Harry]

So that means you have to be the one to discharge your service weapon if he comes at you, because if one of the guys in the back shoots the bear mace, the rest of you guys are going to get fucking crossfired.

[Dave]

If we came across a bear in a situation where we needed to use the spray, we all would have gotten fucked up, the bear included and all of us included.

[Harry]

With the mace.

[Dave]

With the mace, bro. We have three. The bear spray it. It's like, probably the size of, like, this bottle. It completely disposes of all of the spray in five seconds.

[Francis]

Oh, you got one shot.

[Dave]

You have one. They say you're supposed to, like, kind of, like burst it, like, tap it.

[Francis]

Otherwise the barrel gets too hot or

[Dave]

the barrel gets too hot or it just dumps it.

[Francis]

Yeah.

[Dave]

But I guarantee, like, if, like, it's easy to say in the moment. If we came across a grizzly bear, it would have been all, you're emptying the clip, just spraying that shit everywhere.

[Francis]

Yeah. You know what I would have done?

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[Francis]

I would have thrown it into its mouth and then pulled out jaws 22.

[Dave]

Yeah. That smart Jaws style.

[Harry]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Dave]

Mythbusters did a thing and said that that wouldn't have worked.

[Francis]

Mythbusters. No.

[Dave]

Come on. Mythbusters needs. That was a great show.

[Francis]

I prefer my myths.

[Dave]

Myth busters.

[Francis]

Like when I thought grizzly bears only ate blueberries.

[Harry]

Myths are important, though. Myths are important to the building of. Of societies.

[Dave]

I think Mythbusters was, like, peak life

[Harry]

in America society busters.

[Dave]

Yeah.

[Harry]

Once they busted, all the myths, like, fell apart. We need our myths.

[Francis]

I would always go from Mythbusters to nut busters.

[Dave]

Oh, yeah.

[Francis]

Which was just porn.

[Dave]

Yeah. Crank. Just get a quick crank in. After. After your myths have been busted, I

[Francis]

would go right under, right from mythbusters into nut Busters.

[Dave]

My favorite myth just got busted. I'm gonna have to jerk off. Feel better.

[Harry]

I just saw a bald guy with a mustache do an experiment, and I'm rock hard.

[Dave]

I mean, that was peak. Like you. You were like. I was a kid kid. You throw on Mythbusters that episode. Maybe you've seen that episode. Then you throw on Deadliest Warrior on Spike.

[Francis]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's quest.

[Dave]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Harry]

If that did. That show did. Makes being a scientist and an engineer seem cool.

[Francis]

Oh.

[Harry]

And there's nothing that does that Anymore.

[Dave]

No, nothing.

[Harry]

Scientists and engineers look like losers now because of the AI development.

[Dave]

And then you say you're done with that, you throw on a little river monsters.

[Harry]

Yeah, that looks cool.

[Dave]

I mean, they had every everything.

[Harry]

Or a cheerleading competition on ESPN too.

[Dave]

Exactly.

[Francis]

Sure.

[Dave]

They got nothing. Any. Like, I. I turn on the TV now and I don't even know what to watch.

[Harry]

Same my tv. My TV went alphabetized instead of numerical recently. And I don't know how to change it back. It's been devastating.

[Dave]

That's pretty. It's pretty brutal.

[Harry]

It was dark as hell.

[Dave]

I mean, are you on K? Are you still ripping cable?

[Harry]

I rip it all, but of course I keep cable.

[Dave]

Like, if you're watching like it say, we. Obviously we got ball coming up soon.

[Harry]

Yeah.

[Dave]

Which I. I mean, I need it. I need it more than ever. I don't think I've ever needed it this bad.

[Francis]

You're starting to feel that the ball's coming.

[Dave]

Oh, it's been. I've been itching for a minute.

[Harry]

This Sunday is there. There'll be football on this Sunday and then every Sunday until February 19th or some.

[Dave]

But the super bowl, it's almost like. It's like if you like I. I want football back so bad. Bad. But if you're really sitting down and you're watching those preseason games. You're a lunatic.

[Harry]

Yeah.

[Dave]

That's your sick. You're. You're addicted to football.

[Harry]

Yeah. Well, it's baseball level. Autism.

[Dave]

Yeah. Trickling guys that aren't even on the

[Harry]

team play in the fourth quarter of that.

[Dave]

Yeah.

[Harry]

See if you. I want to see who the. The best guy in the 90s.

[Dave]

Yeah. Throw one ball. A.J. brown won't even be there. Reading on the side.

[Francis]

Sideline.

[Harry]

You saw A.J. brown with that drop.

[Dave]

Wow.

[Harry]

There was like a back shoulder throw. Drake May hit him in the hand. He dropped it.

[Francis]

Watching. Watching the owners talk about how much budget space they have.

[Harry]

I wonder if Bohemian Grove was talking about the Telluride Bush.

[Dave]

Probably. They probably want to get in as partners.

[Francis]

Could well be. Bohemian Bush.

[Dave]

It's actually a great name.

[Harry]

Bohemian Bush. There's some commercial like that they talk about a girls trip to Telluride. Always makes me think you brothers. You guys ever gonna get out to tell you ride?

[Dave]

We were gonna go there. Me, Me, Bo and Matt were gonna go there instead of Wyoming.

[Harry]

Is that still on the table?

[Dave]

What?

[Harry]

You guys going on another trip this year?

[Dave]

No, not this summer. Definitely not. But we're going in the winter. We already have one.

[Harry]

Really? Where are you gonna Go the Bahamas.

[Dave]

Us.

[Francis]

Oh, bone fishing.

[Dave]

Oh, yeah.

[Francis]

So hard.

[Dave]

Yeah.

[Harry]

Cool.

[Dave]

But it's gonna be like that. We, we, we.

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[Dave]

We've weighed the options. Like, it's already hard. Like, it's. Fishing's hard regardless. Especially fly fishing. Like, it's not easy. I would much rather get skunked and then be in the Bahamas.

[Francis]

100. Yeah, spot on.

[Dave]

I'd much rather not catch anything and be in the Bahamas than not catch anything and be.

[Harry]

Yeah.

[Dave]

Surrounded by mosquitoes in the woods.

[Francis]

Seems like they're not biting today, boys. Time for pina colada.

[Dave]

Yeah, exactly.

[Francis]

Luckily, we have massages in half an hour, so. Yeah.

[Harry]

Bo and Matt driving into the Ocean Club and Aston Martin. Like Daniel Craig and the James Bond.

[Dave]

Yeah, it's going to be sick. And also, Beau's dad has done this trip. Like, he does it, like, every year with his, like, best friend.

[Francis]

Bo has a dad? I thought he just, like, appeared.

[Dave]

No, he's a great angle.

[Harry]

That's like when you saw the video of clavicular's dad. Did you see that? I didn't clavicular with his dad, and

[Dave]

I know his dad, like, hates him.

[Harry]

His dad was, like, such. You could tell he was, like, such a good dad. He was, like, so happy.

[Dave]

Oh, I did see this. Yeah. When he's a kid. In his clavicular as a kid.

[Francis]

Yeah.

[Harry]

He graduated and his dad was like, come on. Like, he's, like, rubbing him. And it was so.

[Dave]

But don't you always wonder with that? Like, it's very easy for the dad to appear to be a great dad. You don't end up with clavicular. And you're great. You're. You're not just a great dad.

[Francis]

That's not necessarily true. I think that so much can happen, happen. I think parents can get everything right and kids can still turn out shitty.

[Dave]

But this isn't like your kid, you know, maybe he drinks too much.

[Francis]

This is.

[Dave]

Your kid is smashing his face with a hammer every night to try to rework the structure of his jaw.

[Francis]

Has such a reductive view of women.

[Dave]

That can't be. Like, your parents did a phenomenal. Like, like, maybe they did a good. They did something wrong at the same time. He's, like, 18.

[Francis]

Yeah. Yeah. But I think you could also. Right. You're right. I don't know.

[Harry]

I think.

[Francis]

I think he just, like, found hype.

[Dave]

Yeah.

[Francis]

You're making clout and was like, I'm gonna follow that.

[Harry]

Yeah, but he knows a lot of the terms. He's. I'VE heard him say hypertrophy too much for it to just be him riding a trend.

[Dave]

He doesn't seem like he's like dumb like it seems like he's very well. Like he understands what he's talking about.

[Francis]

Yeah, I think he's. He struck a nerve and then continued to hit that nerve.

[Dave]

Yeah, I mean he's got to be making millions of dollars. So I guess it's not the worst.

[Harry]

Yeah, it broke my heart seeing him, but I thought that he had just spawned same way Bo did.

[Francis]

Yeah, right.

[Harry]

So are you going to. Are you. So you're going to be on a boat down there?

[Dave]

No, no. That's waiting as well. Like you're just walking flats.

[Harry]

You're going to be walking the flats of the Bahamas.

[Francis]

You can do it from a boat though.

[Dave]

Oh yeah. It's way easier. Significantly more expensive.

[Harry]

I'm on. Just got a hotel down in the Bahamas, the Bahaman.

[Francis]

That's actually what they're. No, that's pretty sick.

[Harry]

That would be a good name. I don't know if anyone's gotten that across their desk.

[Francis]

We with foreplay. One of the coolest trips we ever did was down there. We went to this place called the Abaco Club with. Good, good. And it was the most beautiful place.

[Dave]

Did you have to take like. Like another flight once you went ended.

[Francis]

How did we do it? No, we flew right into. We flew right into Nassau. Maybe it was Nassau, but maybe it was also some other small, slightly smaller place. I don't know.

[Dave]

The.

[Harry]

The.

[Dave]

The place that we're gonna go. I think we gotta. We gotta take like a tiny plane once we land. Like a six person plane.

[Francis]

Yeah. Puddle jumper.

[Dave]

Yeah. That might be too much for. For your boy.

[Harry]

Yeah.

[Dave]

I don't know. I don't know if I got that in me. You've got done it.

[Harry]

I have. Yeah. And I don't like it. I've been on multiple places where you have to like go, go like multiple stops on the way somewhere. It's terrible.

[Dave]

How long are those flights?

[Francis]

Something very disconcerting about knowing there's only one pilot flying the plane on a plane that like. It's just like if. Dude, if you have a you. If that guy's.

[Harry]

We're all.

[Francis]

You're looking around, you're like does anyone play video games here? Does anyone do flight simulation?

[Dave]

That's the next step. We were to my. Me and my buddies were talking about it last night. Like the. The what comes after this phase of video games. It can only be just super realistic. Simulators.

[Harry]

Yeah.

[Francis]

Right.

[Dave]

Just driving around on the tractor all night,

[Francis]

guys. I'm feeling a little cooped up. I'm going to go out and mow.

[Harry]

You guys want to meet on the tractor in 15 minutes?

[Francis]

Yeah, I'm going to go mow the yard.

[Harry]

Bro. Z would do the train conduct. He would run like lira off.

[Francis]

Bro.

[Dave]

He would do the subway. Like. Yeah, he'd just be in New York. I'm going up to Queensborough.

[Harry]

Yeah. I'm going to the Myrtle. Myrtle Woff.

[Dave]

That's definitely the next step. I played so much Counter Strike this weekend and it's just. I've just gotten to a point where I just. I don't know how much more I can give. You know, I've given everything I have.

[Harry]

The game's not asking any more of you.

[Dave]

It's just like, bro, I. I don't know. And would I be li. I would be lying if I said this didn't have. This wasn't a big factor in the weed break. I got it. I got to get back to just clear headed gaming. Gaming.

[Harry]

Wow, that's sad.

[Dave]

It's sad, but it's also good.

[Francis]

You're saying that your gaming was not. You didn't do well because you were too high.

[Dave]

I can't. No, I can't tell if it's the weed has slowed me down so much that I'm so bad at games now or if I've just gotten older and I'm just not good at games anymore.

[Francis]

I. I see.

[Dave]

All I know is I was playing Black Ops 2 this weekend and it was like I had never left. I mean, I was probably the best player ever.

[Harry]

When you're off the weed.

[Dave]

What do you mean?

[Harry]

What is this once you quit weed or is this even before that you were still sick at it?

[Dave]

No, no, this is before.

[Harry]

Okay.

[Dave]

I was still sick at it. Just Counter strike, bro. I. I'm so like.

[Francis]

So weed is specifically causing issues for you in Counter Strike?

[Dave]

Well, it's causing issues in a lot of different places.

[Francis]

Game specific game problem, I think is

[Dave]

where I'm noticing the cognitive decline.

[Francis]

But you said it's.

[Harry]

You sound like Joe Biden. The cognitive decline.

[Francis]

You said it helped you in Black Ops, though.

[Dave]

No, it doesn't help with anything. It doesn't help.

[Francis]

But it didn't hurt you.

[Dave]

When I play Call of Duty. Doesn't hurt because I'm already like, I know how to play Call of Duty.

[Francis]

I think your incredible run in Black Ops proves that weed is not the problem.

[Dave]

I don't know what the problem is?

[Francis]

I think it's that you're not smoking enough.

[Dave]

I don't think. I think it's just. I'm not Russian. I'm not good at counterattacking. Counter strike. You play against these guys. They're all Russian. They've all been playing it since they were three years old.

[Francis]

Yeah.

[Dave]

And they're all so good. It's like if you tried Francis, it was like if you tried as hard as you tried to be good at lacrosse as a child and then you, you were the worst player ever.

[Francis]

I mean, I think that's true for people, that people experience that.

[Dave]

But with like a video game, like, it shouldn't be like, like that.

[Harry]

I don't.

[Francis]

Why not? I mean, if you, if you liken video games to sports and some people are going to be inherently talented and have the capacity for.

[Dave]

We're talking about, like, I, I understand that. Others don't, but this is not excellence. We're talking about, like, I mean, the worst lobbies that you can be in and I'm the worst player.

[Francis]

I don't believe those lobbies. I think you're being a little dramatic. I don't think you're bad.

[Dave]

I'm not.

[Francis]

I'm swear if I picked up a controller to my tomorrow, you would kill me.

[Dave]

No, I don't think I. In this game. I genuinely think it would be pretty even.

[Harry]

I think we could probably set that up.

[Dave]

We couldn't. We have no way of doing it.

[Francis]

There's no way.

[Dave]

It's not a controller game. That's why it's a PC. It's mouse and keyboard. It's my first time playing a game on mouse and keyboard.

[Francis]

You're right. We can't find another person that has a computer.

[Dave]

No.

[Francis]

In New York City.

[Harry]

Well, maybe that's why you suck because you just suck at the, the like mechanism of the game.

[Dave]

I do.

[Harry]

Well, that's it. So don't be so hard on yourself. Maybe, maybe a little self love. Maybe a little ayahuasca.

[Dave]

You have to do like your 10 placement mat. You have to do 10 placement matches to get your. You have to win 10 matches to get your rank. For the new season, which just began. I got my 10 placement. I finished them on set on Friday night. I literally almost cried when they gave me my rank. It was like. It was like, what, what did I just do? I would have been better off just not playing.

[Harry]

Only college you got into was the community college type vibes.

[Dave]

Like was like the only college you got into was like, and you got denied from one of them. From a community college, bro.

[Francis]

What? I saw this clip of Mook getting ranked.

[Dave]

Yeah.

[Harry]

Yeah.

[Francis]

Gold 3.

[Dave]

This was worse than that.

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[Francis]

But what was bad about that? Why is that bad? Why he was so disappointed. He went Gold three.

[Dave]

Gold three is really bad.

[Francis]

It's bad.

[Dave]

Really bad.

[Francis]

Because it looked like he had achieved something because he did it.

[Dave]

He. It's. It's the same for every game. Like that game, Call of Duty, they just started a new season, so you have to do your placement matches again. He completed his. And you get put in a rank based on those matches. I see Mook prior to that was diamond three, which is pretty good. But also the Brank system in Call of Duty has been broken. Which Mooks always been Gold 3. But this specific season, he was like what people would consider a good rank. Like a top.

[Francis]

What are you?

[Dave]

I don't play Call of Duty anymore, so I don't know what would be if I can't. It's hard for me to say, but like, if Mook is Diamond three, I'm iridescent. I'm top of the game. I'm the best ever.

[Francis]

I see.

[Harry]

Okay.

[Dave]

Which Mook's going to be so mad

[Francis]

hearing that you're better than he is? Would he admit that?

[Dave]

No, he wouldn't? No.

[Francis]

Is Jerry as good as you are?

[Harry]

He is.

[Francis]

Give the ranking. You, Jerry and Mook. Who's the best, who's the worst?

[Dave]

If I'm playing consistently, it's me. If I'm not playing consistently, it's Jerry.

[Francis]

So Mook's the worst? Yeah. Yeah. That's so sad. He's really thrown everything in behind this.

[Dave]

Well, he's not. I mean, it doesn't matter if he's good or not.

[Harry]

Well, that's kind of why I think phenom deserves the job.

[Dave]

Phenom's probably worse than Mook.

[Francis]

Let's put it this way, Harry. You say it doesn't matter, but I have had a litany of sports coaches throughout my life. And knowing that one of them had an illustrious career himself exactly gave me it made it easier for me to buy into what?

[Dave]

That's why we're not the coaches, because they don't respect our opinions based on of the game.

[Francis]

But your general managers or whatever, we know enough.

[Dave]

Like, we all know how the game works. And I would say, like, our knowledge of the game is probably above 99 of the average player because we've cons the amount of Call of Duty that we've consumed this year alone is ridiculous

[Francis]

amount of Call of Duty I've consumed is ridiculous.

[Dave]

Exactly.

[Francis]

My whole feed is bush clips.

[Dave]

Yeah.

[Francis]

I'm like, I don't even think I follow the account. Yeah, I definitely do now.

[Dave]

All good, all good. I don't care.

[Francis]

No, I do. I do. I follow it and I find it very funny. Like that clip of Moot going gold.

[Dave]

Unbelievable. So, because, dude, leading up to that, I had kept on fucking with him and being like, you're not like, bro, like, if you're diamond three, I'm the best. I'm top 250 in the game.

[Francis]

Yeah.

[Dave]

And he kept on being like, no, man. Like, you're like, we were joking around about it. And then he got his placement back and he was gold 3. It was very funny.

[Harry]

Yeah.

[Dave]

But if Mook knew what I was in Counter Strike, like, he would never let me hear the end of it.

[Francis]

Right?

[Dave]

Like. Like he's gold 3. In counter strike, I would be considered like, like bronze one, which is lower intro. They call that like, you, like, it's like I'm the rank of someone who's just picked up the game for the first time.

[Francis]

Right.

[Harry]

Sad, bro.

[Francis]

Sorry to hear that.

[Harry]

Just give that shit up, bro.

[Francis]

I know.

[Dave]

I'm going to Ron. I was listening to. Jerry did a podcast with Optic the. Yeah, yeah, Hitch.

[Harry]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Dave]

He was talking about you on it.

[Harry]

Who?

[Dave]

Hitch.

[Harry]

What did he say?

[Dave]

He was just saying he's like a huge battle rap fan. He said, listen to like, he said he's been. He listened to your first ever, ever battle rap, like, live.

[Harry]

Really?

[Dave]

When it was happening.

[Harry]

That's nuts.

[Dave]

Yeah, like the one where you were like, in that random, like, shop.

[Harry]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. That's crazy.

[Dave]

The guy didn't have three. He didn't have three verses, right?

[Harry]

Yeah, yeah.

[Dave]

He started freestyling at the end.

[Harry]

Illegal.

[Dave]

Yeah, yeah, that's a. That's an all time one.

[Harry]

Yeah, that's a classic. He's. He's the man. He's always been super supportive whenever he would reach out.

[Dave]

Yeah, yeah, he's. That podcast is really, really good.

[Harry]

I just. Whenever I watch it and I just see how they just are like sitting across from like.

[Dave]

Yeah.

[Harry]

A desk from each other. I just wouldn't know where to look.

[Dave]

No, no, I would have. No, I was thinking about that. Exactly. Just making direct eye contact for like an hour.

[Harry]

It's not like a very broad desk. Like, they're both in the same camera shot. So it's like, where do you just stay you just square up with someone for a. Yeah.

[Dave]

I mean, it's essentially like going on like a date. Yeah, like that's, it's. It's that. That intimate.

[Harry]

Yeah, that's the only thing that I, I have.

[Dave]

I would worry about that on like anything to be like, if I had to do like Rogan at any point, like I. I'd be looking at the. I'd be looking at Jamie. Two hours straight.

[Harry]

I wouldn't, I wouldn't worry about it, brother.

[Dave]

No, I'm not, I'm not. I'm not sweating it too much, but I'm just thinking.

[Harry]

I'm just joking. No, I think about that all the time. Especially the most awkward is when someone has to sing and it's like. Like, where do you look when you have to sing?

[Dave]

Oh, like on Rogan?

[Harry]

No, no, not on Rogan. In like real life.

[Dave]

What the you mean you have to sing?

[Harry]

You've. You've probably never been around someone that has talking about when you're like having someone sing something.

[Francis]

I get what Ron's saying.

[Dave]

When is that ever a situation that

[Francis]

any of us are karaoke performances.

[Dave]

Karaoke.

[Harry]

You're a good singer. Sing this song for me. There's been.

[Dave]

I've had put in that a lot.

[Harry]

I have, I have.

[Dave]

Yeah. Like, people are like, give us a bar.

[Harry]

No, it's the other way around where I'm like, someone's gonna sing. I'm like, bro, I won't look at you, but like, can you sing that?

[Dave]

Oh, you put people in that position.

[Harry]

I've been in situations where someone else has to perform and to calm them down, I tell them I'm not gonna look them in the eyes.

[Francis]

Harry.

[Dave]

I see what you.

[Francis]

All this is, is that one person is singing and the other person is watching and it's awkward.

[Harry]

Yeah, it's cuz like, imagine looking into someone eyes.

[Francis]

The whole point.

[Harry]

Someone's eyes.

[Dave]

I get it now. I get it now.

[Harry]

It's like a Usher concert. If you look into their. Who's ever sang on Rogan?

[Dave]

I'm sure you know that one dude did for sure. You know. You know who?

[Harry]

Richmond north, of course.

[Francis]

Oh, that guy. I thought you were going to say

[Dave]

Kanye, the singer on Rogan.

[Francis]

Yeah, fair enough. Yeah, that was so fun.

[Dave]

They had him doing shows at the Mothership. I remember what a weird time that was.

[Harry]

Yeah.

[Dave]

Imagine buying tickets to a comedy show and then there's just a guy singing about how like the government's us. What the happening right now? Thought this was supposed to be like, the comedy capital of the world.

[Harry]

Do you think anything. I know standup's in a weird place right now. Obviously still thriving, but just in a different place. Do you think any of that had to do with the fact that, like, language was so, like, strictly policed for a while, and then, like, some comics and some places you went, you could start hearing things, words and ideas that you hadn't been hearing, and then, so it was, like, refreshing for people to go out and be like, I'm hearing slurs again.

[Dave]

Yeah, definitely.

[Harry]

And then, like, after a while, like, everybody started using that as their, like, way to get people in. And so it was, like, diluted. And that's less exciting for people because they could just turn on, like, any podcast and hear that or, like, any.

[Dave]

Yeah, I mean, I think the, I mean, the. Shane always jokes about it, but, like, the pendulum swung, like, too far back, came back swinging. And then it's just now you got everyone on stage just saying retard and

[Harry]

slurs and that Bohemian Grove is faggy and stuff.

[Dave]

Yeah, yeah, of course.

[Harry]

But what do you think, Francis?

[Francis]

Yeah, I agree with all of that. I do. Like, I mean, you know, I think people celebrated it too much. And there's, like, a righteousness in, in exercising your First Amendment, whatever. If, if you feel that you're oppressed. But then when the police go back inside and stop policing and you continue to just beat that drum, it starts to get a little indulgent.

[Harry]

Right. When you're not being policed and you're like, look what I'm doing. It's like, dude, no one's stopping you.

[Francis]

Then it, then it's just, like, mean.

[Dave]

I just think everything at a certain point gets to a point where it's no longer cool. Like, you, like, everything is going to go through, like, ups and downs. Like if, for two years straight, if you said on was like a round of applause.

[Harry]

Yeah.

[Dave]

And now it's, everyone says it, so it's like, it's not funny anymore. Like, it's still funny. Don't get me wrong. It's still hilarious, but it's not like it's, it can't no longer be, like, the punch line to a joke.

[Harry]

Dude. Speaking of First Amendment, I, I, I got hit with because I love the First Amendment.

[Dave]

Yeah, of course.

[Harry]

I'm insane about it, how much I love it.

[Dave]

I'm a 19th man, personally.

[Harry]

Really?

[Dave]

Yeah.

[Harry]

And that's the, the rights for women to shoot women, to shoot guns, for

[Dave]

women to bear arms, the right for

[Francis]

women to bear children, to carry Be.

[Harry]

I had a backup nanny the other week, and she got home one day frazzled. She's like, she was texting my wife. She's like, what? There's like, I'll tell you, like, something just happened. I'll tell you when I get home. And my wife's like, what the fuck are you talking about? Russia's home gets the, the news that they were just out in Brooklyn Bridge park and that there's a Asian lady going around filming kids coming up to the stroller and filming behind her back, like, leaning over and like, secretly film. Filming.

[Dave]

Damn.

[Harry]

Trying to figure out, like, is that she is like, has a mask, long sleeves on, and she's filming people. And then later on that week, I saw a viral tick tock of the same lady, of some guy being like, yo, don't film people's kids. Like, that's weird. And it was the same time in the same place. The nanny was shook. Like, she could tell it was weird. This lady was going up to another stroller and just filming dead in the face of these babies. Like, immediately my wife heard that, like, rushed down trying to find her. And on the tick tock, they were all, all these reports. She's at, like, Cadman Plaza. She's at all these.

[Dave]

She's everywhere.

[Harry]

She's everywhere, filming kids all over the place. And my alarm went up because I'm like, if something feels uncomfortable with kids, you have to follow that instinct. But at the same time, I love the first amendment and she is just exercising her first amendment right to film stuff in public.

[Dave]

But is that. I don't know. I, I like, feel like once you start, if you are, if you're blatantly hiding it, then is that against the law?

[Harry]

No, no, you're allowed to film. You're allowed to film people in public

[Dave]

and you're allowed to film kids.

[Francis]

There are, there are definitely limits on that.

[Harry]

What, what are they?

[Francis]

You can't, like, film upskirt videos under an escalator. Trust me.

[Dave]

But like, no, like, I'm not even saying that to be like, to like, like, is that actually, like, not not allowed? Like, I know it's not allowed.

[Francis]

Violent, you know, lewd and lascivious behavior. Yeah, thing I would think.

[Dave]

I don't see how it would be legal to go. Like, I, I. Well, I guess I don't see how it would be illegal either, but I don't know how that would be allowed to go around filming when you're in public.

[Harry]

There's no expectation of privacy.

[Dave]

But, like, I get that.

[Harry]

But I get it.

[Dave]

I guess it's the same as, like, the metaglasses. Like, you're not.

[Harry]

No, they stressed as. They were stressed as testing me. They were stress testing my First Amendment, my love for the First Amendment in real time.

[Dave]

But I don't know, like, at what point is that, like, the First Amendment?

[Harry]

No, it was the First Amendment at

[Dave]

that time, but now it's back to the First Amendment.

[Harry]

No, no, like, if.

[Dave]

If you just have to start putting masks.

[Harry]

If they beat the. Out of that, the Asian lady, my nanny or my wife, I would have had to have, like, been on their side.

[Francis]

Dude, there are so many Asian women filming babies in Austin, Texas right now. Oh, yeah, that was all they in Covid. They all went there.

[Harry]

Really?

[Francis]

Yeah. They were like, we can't do this in, you know, the rich belong to us towns.

[Harry]

It's the only place where we can safely film.

[Dave]

So did. What were the people on TikTok saying?

[Harry]

They're like, don't film people's kids.

[Dave]

But then where's anyone? Were you in the comments? Like, well, technically, hey, First Amendment. Yeah, my kids were filmed. Hand up. But you gotta. There's nothing we can do about this, guys.

[Harry]

Okay.

[Francis]

Yeah, sorry.

[Dave]

You're taking up with the founding fathers.

[Francis]

Sorry. You don't want your kids on camera because they're so ugly and stupid.

[Harry]

This is a. Yeah. It might be a precursor to human trafficking, but, like, Thomas Jefferson warned us about this.

[Dave]

Yeah. Like, so, like, what do you think is the. The. What's the purpose of the filming?

[Harry]

I mean, everybody's like. Everybody's like, trafficking, trafficking, trafficking. But I don't know how you traffic. I don't know if you traffic the. How you traffic the pictures. I. I don't know. I don't know.

[Dave]

I mean, if they. If that's a human trafficking thing and it's based off of one Asian, like, they must have surveillance around all of Brooklyn.

[Harry]

What do you mean, the Asians?

[Dave]

I don't understand how it could be one lady. Like, if you're. If it's human trafficking, it's a whole operation. Operation.

[Harry]

If it's human trafficking.

[Francis]

Not always.

[Harry]

They said that she was on.

[Francis]

One person can traffic another person.

[Dave]

That's kidnapping.

[Harry]

If I said.

[Francis]

Which is. Isn't that also kind of trafficking if you take someone across state lines? Isn't it trafficking?

[Harry]

I wonder if I.

[Francis]

What is trafficking?

[Harry]

It's state lines. It's definitely state lines. If I learned anything from the Diddy trials, it's state lines for sure.

[Dave]

But I thought it was like, if you're. If you're sending someone, something, somewhere, like they're a fucking piece of luggage.

[Francis]

I think we think it's just like selling someone into like, sex slavery. Yeah, I don't think it has to be all of that.

[Dave]

Yeah, it's probably true.

[Harry]

I need to find this fucking.

[Dave]

But like, if you're like, like. Okay, so say I'm a human trafficker. Right. In this scenario.

[Francis]

I can hear the conversation right now and I'm just so aware of how little we know.

[Dave]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Francis]

And I love it.

[Dave]

No, who cares? Who gives a fuck? I say I'm a human trafficker. And it's just me. I'm the only guy. There's no. I got no one helping me out. I'm doing this all myself.

[Francis]

Yeah.

[Dave]

I'm going. Say I go to. I go to Central park and I start.

[Francis]

You don't work well with other traffickers.

[Dave]

No, no, I'm hard to work with.

[Francis]

You don't share the.

[Dave]

Yeah, yeah. We don't get it. We don't see eye to eye. Different morals.

[Francis]

You've tried.

[Dave]

Yeah.

[Francis]

But you know, it just always ends up being that like someone, you know.

[Dave]

Yeah.

[Francis]

We're just.

[Dave]

We're just not getting along. So I take.

[Francis]

You don't like people micromanaging.

[Dave]

Yeah, exactly. Exactly.

[Francis]

Right. Okay.

[Dave]

I get people rushing me. I don't. Yeah. Telling me I gotta act on this when I'm. I'm not ready yet, you know.

[Harry]

You're a slow burn.

[Dave]

Yeah, exactly. I like to be careful, you know, I don't want to take any risks.

[Francis]

You have different tastes and targets.

[Dave]

So I'm out in Central Park. I got my metaglasses on. I'm flashing pics of all the kids, children, everything I can get. Right. What happens next? So now I go home, I've got all these photos of all these kids and I'm looking at them. What are the odds I'm ever going to see one? Like, what are the odds that Asian lady is ever going to see one of those kids again?

[Francis]

Why does she need to. What are you talking.

[Dave]

Because she's human trafficking. So, like, what's the next. Like, how does the next step.

[Francis]

Oh, she's probably. I guess in theory she would be selling the photos to creeps online.

[Dave]

Maybe just Google kids and stroller. They all look the same.

[Francis]

That's like saying, I'd hate to make this. But that's like saying, just watch porn.

[Dave]

Yeah, no, I get it's a up conversation to have and it's in sense.

[Francis]

I. My guess Is that some human trafficking pedophiles? Like the reality genre? Yeah, probably little up Asian woman is like the Bong Su Kim of or whatever, that Korean, you know, parasite director. But that's photographs.

[Harry]

Yeah.

[Dave]

I'm imagining like the lady in prisoners, you know what I mean? The mom in prisoners who's like running the whole thing.

[Francis]

Yeah. You think that's who the Asian lady is?

[Dave]

No, that's why I'm saying like, I don't see. I think the Asian lady is just a weird lady who's taking photos. Yeah, I agree.

[Francis]

I don't, I don't, I don't. I, I agree with you that extrapolating from what she's doing to human traffic trafficking is a tenuous connection. I don't, I just don't.

[Dave]

I genuinely don't know how that could lead to human trafficking.

[Francis]

I think that people are very conscious in, at all of having photos of their children on the Internet, especially if they didn't take them.

[Dave]

Oh yeah, no, I do. I agree. She's fucking weird.

[Francis]

Yeah. But like that's just, you know, that's just leads to a visibility that like they don't want.

[Dave]

So what's the next, what's the next course of action here? What are we going to do?

[Harry]

It's just Asian hate across the board.

[Dave]

Asian hate.

[Harry]

Yeah.

[Francis]

That's a good answer to a lot of things.

[Harry]

Yeah, just, just. Yeah, like paste that one characteristic of that one woman on the entire race and like take it off. It's like make it endemic to their.

[Dave]

Do you think she was even a woman? Wow.

[Harry]

Yeah.

[Dave]

It was a man dressed up as a woman.

[Harry]

It could have been like one of those hyper realistic masks that, that you know, the deep state puts on people.

[Francis]

Yeah.

[Dave]

I just feel like, I don't know. That's so weird. That's so bizarre.

[Francis]

Yo, yo Pa.

[Dave]

I, I feel like someone taking photos like behind their back of kids, it's like you're like, what are you doing?

[Harry]

I need to get a video. I need to show you this other guy finding it.

[Dave]

I gotta see this because I'm, I'm having a hard time because this woman

[Harry]

is literally over a straight stroller and it's like nobody else is around. But also she's like frail. Like any, any garden variety nanny is whipping her ass.

[Dave]

Like, do you think she's just like in, do you think there's a reality where she's just like a super old lady who's just like, loves kids?

[Harry]

Maybe?

[Francis]

Yeah. You get to that point. Remember when they let Bush senior Goose. Young women in the butt. And people found out and they're like, come on, he's got 95. I think Asian women get to a point where it's like, come on, let her take photos.

[Harry]

Or like you, I see tick tocks all the time.

[Francis]

Know it's wrong, but you know, she's from a different era.

[Harry]

Like, I brought my. People are like, I brought my blonde hair, blue eyed baby to Japan and they love them. You know what I mean? Maybe something like that. Just like they're fawning over it.

[Dave]

Yeah, she just loves children in Brooklyn.

[Harry]

Yeah, she's just going on a tour. Maybe it's like, yeah, she came to the US Going on a tour.

[Dave]

But there's also a reality where, like, this is the conversation she wants us to be having.

[Harry]

Really?

[Dave]

She's actually like, it's. This is straight out of, like taken. Like, she's.

[Harry]

She's Marco from Troyo.

[Dave]

She's talking to Putin through an earpiece.

[Francis]

I have a very particular set of skills. Skills that make me very dangerous to

[Harry]

people like you, to babies. Skills that make. Yeah. Terrify babies. I don't know why my wife's being stingy with this. I was like, can you send the video of the woman who was filming our kids? And she was like, she wasn't filming our kids in the video. Like, we're just. Bro, why are you hitting me with the semantic on the. Does you know what video I'm talking about?

[Dave]

Just

[Harry]

send, send me the video. I'm trying to make a point to the boys. I'm trying to make a point to the fellas. Here we go. Here we go.

[Francis]

How are they the boys?

[Harry]

Oh, that's. So this is the other. Oh, this is from. This is the one our nanny took.

[Dave]

Oh, so this is a full operation.

[Harry]

This is, this is a. The. This isn't even the viral one. And the bald guy in the background is the guy who eventually makes the video.

[Francis]

Huh. So she just walks right up to a stroller and takes a photo, dunks

[Harry]

her head into the stroll. Stroller.

[Dave]

I'm back on. I think she's just weird, to be honest. It's a weird old lady who just likes children.

[Harry]

Yeah.

[Dave]

Hopefully a non perverted way. Yeah, hopefully a wholesome way.

[Francis]

Probably thinks they're cute.

[Dave]

Yeah.

[Harry]

Yeah.

[Dave]

And probably just doesn't really understand, like social skills.

[Francis]

Thinks that she thinks it's like she

[Dave]

can just take photos of people's children.

[Francis]

Yeah.

[Harry]

You think that that flies in China?

[Dave]

Yeah.

[Harry]

Okay.

[Francis]

It could just be a cultural difference.

[Harry]

Yeah.

[Dave]

I mean, I Think it. I. Yeah, that's where I'm leaning.

[Harry]

That's why. That's where I've always been. That's why I'm always first amendment.

[Dave]

You're right.

[Harry]

I've been first am.

[Francis]

Way to bring that back around.

[Harry]

I like it.

[Dave]

Yeah, I'm giving her the benefit of the doubt for now. But if I see her taking photos again in Brooklyn, is it just taking

[Harry]

photos or like is she good to take photos or does she have to like take a.

[Dave]

Does she have to. Someone has to just like remove the camera from her phone.

[Francis]

Kids, bro.

[Harry]

No, no, no. Leave the baby alone, lady. Hey, hey.

[Dave]

Oh no, no, no, no.

[Harry]

Somebody's going to call the police on her. Hey, don't recall people's kids, bro. It's the same lady in the same.

[Dave]

It's the same lady. That's weird. That's weird that you have both angles of it.

[Harry]

Yeah, that's kind of.

[Dave]

That's pretty crazy.

[Harry]

It is bro. Cuz it boom.

[Dave]

Leave the baby alone.

[Harry]

Hey, hey. Don't film people.

[Dave]

The baby don't want to talk you to too.

[Harry]

People are sensitive about their kids, bro. No one wants their kids snatched.

[Dave]

No, definitely not. If I had. Look, I mean if I had a kid and then someone came came up and took a photo of it, I'll be like, that's the human trafficker. Yeah, get that person the.

[Francis]

Away from the kids and they're doing

[Harry]

it to all the kids. All right.

[Dave]

All right.

[Francis]

Yeah, okay. Okay, cool. Nice solid episode fun.

[Dave]

We will be back on Thursday with a non banked normal episode as well. So we will see you guys then. Goodbye.