Pardon My Boy Dad | Son of a Boy Dad #411

Summary

Son of a Boy Dad #411: "Pardon My Boy Dad"

Podcast: Son of a Boy Dad
Date: June 18, 2026
Hosts: Lil Sasquatch (Sass), Rone, Frankie, Francis
Guest: Big Cat (Barstool Sports)
Location: Chicago

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Episode Overview

In this lively, freewheeling episode, Sass leans on Big Cat and the other Barstool crew to talk about his "rudderless" post-college stage, employment drama, social dynamics at Barstool, and broader life lessons. Much of the conversation centers on growing up in the Barstool universe, negotiating self-worth, adapting to public life, and filling the gaps in adulthood education—the kind of roundtable therapy session that mixes airing grievances, trading war stories, and riffing with punchlines.

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Key Segments & Insights

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1. Barstool Money Talks, Immaturity, & Learning Curves

[02:03–08:08]

• Backstory: Sass recently dropped out of college, and his navigating the post-adolescent, big-league Barstool world sparks a group discussion.
• Barstool Pay Disputes: Sass reflects on a recent kerfuffle about show revenue splits and perceiving the business side as "Where’s my cut?”
• Big Cat on Youthful Self-Interest:
  • "When I first started on The Yak, I think that was the worst I ever was. I thought I should get 100% of the ad." – Sass [03:12]
  • "It’s not a malicious thing. He’s just young and maybe a little immature... I used to think that too..." – Big Cat [02:57]
• Business Reality: The longer you let money concerns fester, the more you invent "enemies" (i.e., “boogeyman Dave/Erika”).
• Perspective on Ownership:
  • “When you actually look at it, the marketing people, HR, merch, security—all need to be paid out of it. The team's bigger than anybody realizes.” – Frankie [07:48]

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2. HR at Barstool: The Myth & The Reality

[08:13–11:11]

• The Barstool "HR person," Kim, is discussed—almost mythologized—because of the wild culture and her ability to handle chaos.
• Memorable Quote:
  • "She has the hardest job in the world... People think because of stuff that's come out... anything flies. What if you knew the list of naughty things that didn't?" – Frankie [08:32]
• The hosts joke about Kim needing therapy or spousal privilege to vent.

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3. Ghostwriting, Voice, and Podcast-Book Culture

[11:11–13:04]

• Big Cat breaks down PMT’s experience with a ghostwriter and the challenges of keeping an authentic voice.
• Memorable Line:
  • "The minute someone reads it, they're like, 'Oh, he didn't write it.' You could do that if Kareem Abdul Jabbar wrote a book... But with us, nah." – Big Cat [11:47]

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4. Podcast Consumption Habits

[13:12–14:26]

• Discussion on sped-up podcast consumption and how it's "rewired" brains.
• Anecdote about All Business Pete listening at 3x speed ("felt like a time machine" – Frankie [13:53]).

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5. Collectibles, Barstool Memorabilia, & Esports

[16:38–21:45]

• Memorabilia stories: From autographed sports swag to Big Cat buying the "Bills trough" (stadium urinal) at auction.
• Esports & Age:
  • "The oldest player in the league is 26... that's like being Aaron Rodgers." – Sass/Frankie [20:07]
  • Entertaining chat on neuralink, biohacking, and Brian Johnson's wild health tracking.

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6. Longevity, Social Security, & Existential Threats

[24:29–26:46]

• Speculative riffing on what happens if humans start living to 130 ("Retirement age would be 100" – Frankie [26:04]).
• Concerns about overpopulation, collapsing social systems, and birth rates (South Korea cited [26:27]).

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7. Parenting, Nannies, and Loyalty

[27:03–30:37]

• Discussion around parenting tactics (“leash kids”), trusted nannies, and territorial disputes among caregivers.
• Notable Story: Passing a beloved nanny down the Barstool ranks and how she shields her employer’s privacy.
  • "She runs Brooklyn, real... she can link up a playdate anywhere." – Big Cat [28:32]
• Funny exchange: On how to explain “what do you do?” in a cab ("I say podcast; people think I’m the biggest loser possible" – Big Cat [30:49]).

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8. Podcast Guest Culture & Approaching Celebrity

[31:26–33:51]

• Everyone relates to the cringe of asking random “traditional” celebrities to come on their podcast.
  • "That is the biggest loser phrase you could ever say." – Big Cat [32:15]
• Story about both Sass & Frankie fanboying on Casey Fry ("Never heard from him again." [32:26]), plus Big Cat’s interaction with Beck Bennett.

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9. Jury Duty, the Rehearsal, and Media Blindspots

[33:05–34:35]

• Francis’s endorsement of the new season of "Jury Duty" and discussion of cultural references that slip through to some people (“those people give me faith in humanity” – Big Cat [37:17]).

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10. Local Team Fandom, Bandwagons, and NYC Sports

[52:08–56:39]

• Comic debate about bandwagon fandom versus “real” fans in New York after the Knicks run.
  • "Every championship team ever has a bandwagon... when a team wins and there’s parties, people are gonna go." – Big Cat [53:04]
  • "Elmo said before the series, 'Hope both teams have fun.' Everyone’s like, 'FU Elmo, you're a real New Yorker?'" – Big Cat [53:40]

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11. Social Lives, Moving to the Outer Boroughs, and Friendship Dynamics

[57:00–61:30]

• Sass’s move to Queens: saving money/tradeoffs, longer commute but more space, "just take the train, it's easy."
• Reflections on drifting and friendships—group joking about how Sass “pushes off” all attempts to hang out.
  • "Do you have a friend you actually want to hang with?" – Big Cat [58:22]
  • Bo (Sass’s friend) now listens religiously, bonding over being mentioned on the pod.

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12. Health, Physicals, and Barstool Lifestyles

[65:13–68:53]

• The hosts riff about being at the age where doctor's visits require vulnerability, including full-body skin checks.
• Classic Story: Big Cat strips naked too early for a physical; doctor’s surprised ("I realized they had left me a robe. Goddamnit. So bad." – Big Cat [67:02]).
• Health paranoia: PriNovo scans, everyone's convinced something’s wrong after listening to health podcasts.
  • “Everyone comes in here asking for testosterone after Rogan/Huberman. But you’re just tired.” – Big Cat’s doctor [68:53]

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13. Podcasting Styles & Guest Fatigue

[69:14–71:09]

• The hosts touch on how not every podcast needs guests every time, and pitching “come on our podcast?” is the “worst thing in the world.”
  • "I wish we could just, you know, two and a half hours, just you guys." – Big Cat on format envy [69:54]

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Notable Quotes

• “He’s just young and maybe a little immature... I used to think that too...” – Big Cat [02:57]
• "Our HR person... has the hardest job in the world... But she’s awesome." – Big Cat [08:17]
• “The minute someone reads it, they’re like, ‘Oh, he didn’t write it.’” – Big Cat [11:47]
• "The oldest [esports] player in the league... just turned 26. Jesus." – Sass [20:07]
• "Every championship team ever has a bandwagon." – Big Cat [53:04]
• "Do you have a friend you actually want to hang with?" – Big Cat [58:22]
• "I realized they’d left me a robe. God damn it. So bad." – Big Cat [67:02]

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Memorable Moments

• Sass and Frankie reminiscing about the horror (“the biggest loser”) of awkwardly inviting celebrities like Casey Fry to the podcast.
• Big Cat’s story about eating mushrooms before hanging out with John Mayer in the Sphere’s green room, timing it all wrong [40:27].
• Jokes about explaining their jobs ("I say podcast; people think I’m the biggest loser possible") [30:49].

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Structure / Flow of the Episode

• Light, quick-witted and self-deprecating throughout, interspersed with genuine reflections on adulthood, work, and friendship.
• Segues between business/life lessons and classic Barstool bits, always circling back to the post-college, "learning how to be a man"/finding your way motif.
• Guest (Big Cat) serves as both mentor and comedic foil, playing up his slightly older-veteran wisdom.

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For Listeners Who Missed It

This episode is an archetypal Barstool roundtable—there’s equal parts mentorship, misbehavior, and meta-commentary on the very world of podcasting. It’s as much about the interpersonal “education” of Sass as it is a glimpse into the always-on, chaotic, often hilarious microcosm of Barstool life. If you want relatable stories about screwing up, growing up, and giving each other endless shit—this is Barstool at its most unfiltered-yet-surprisingly-sincere.

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End of content summary. All ads, non-content, and outros omitted.

Transcript

[Frankie]

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[Big Cat]

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[Francis]

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[Frankie]

Cool. 235. Perfect.

[Sass]

Alrighty. Welcome back to the Son of a Boy dad podcast. It's June 15th, it's 2:30pm we're in Chicago and we are joined by Big Cat.

[Big Cat]

What's up boys?

[Sass]

Thank you for being here.

[Big Cat]

First question, how many ads on this episode?

[Sass]

Oh, that is a good question. I don't know if we have them yet.

[Francis]

Do we? Four.

[Frankie]

Okay.

[Big Cat]

Because I'm looking to take like a little private vacation. So I figure whatever I do on this show, it gets kicked back to me. Right? We all split it so we can.

[Francis]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

Good.

[Frankie]

I'm glad you understand.

[Big Cat]

That's how it works.

[Frankie]

That's how earlier in the weeks we had Mook and Jerry on and they, they represented their side of the story. I feel like you, you had a, a very unique bird's eye view of, of, of Sass's Comments.

[Big Cat]

This past week, there's something about when Sass gets going, and I can see it in his face. I'm like, oh, he's gonna do it. He's go. He's gonna say a really dumb thing right now. I love it about him. And I also think that Sass, like, I. I said to Jerry right after, I was like, he, like, sass is not. It's not a malicious thing that he said. He's just.

[Sass]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

Young and, like, maybe a little immature. Sorry if that hurts your feelings. But, like, I used to think that too, where it's like, oh, we do this thing, we get this money. Where's my cut?

[Sass]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

And then you start to get older and you're like, oh, yeah, Yeah. I think, like, when I salaries.

[Sass]

Yeah. When I first started on the Yak, I think that was the worst I ever was.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Sass]

That was where I was like, I should 100% of the app. Yeah.

[Big Cat]

Right, right. You're like, oh, that's not how it works.

[Francis]

Yeah.

[Sass]

Yeah, I've gotten better. But last week was a bad week. It was a big, big up.

[Big Cat]

You must be shocked whenever, like, NFL players go to collective bargaining and they're like, how are they not getting 100%? What do you mean?

[Frankie]

The team is worth 4 billion, and they're only getting paid 50 million. Joe Burrow's getting robbed.

[Big Cat]

Joe Burrow should be making $3 billion a year.

[Francis]

Yeah.

[Sass]

I believe in a free market.

[Big Cat]

Have you talked to Dave recently?

[Sass]

No, I. Last time. This is great.

[Big Cat]

This is awesome. Sass and I will just talk over here.

[Sass]

Last time that I talked to Dave was my negotiation, which went well.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. Didn't you. Didn't you sign on for more this time?

[Sass]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Sass]

When it was a good talk and everything went well. I don't know. I can't say things are going well now. I feel like.

[Big Cat]

I think they're fine.

[Sass]

I think they're fine. The big problem with that whole thing last week, which I talked about it a little bit already, but the big problem was that. So we ran out of things to talk about. On Son of a Boy, that episode, like, we were out, I was like, I'm just gonna talk about.

[Big Cat]

No one had taken a flight that week.

[Frankie]

Exactly.

[Sass]

Exactly.

[Francis]

Stomach was working.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Sass]

We're strapped for topics.

[Big Cat]

Normal bowel movements.

[Sass]

Yeah. So we're back half of the episode. I'm like, let's talk about this. The pro. The biggest issue with that was we had the meeting with Austin right after that.

[Big Cat]

Right.

[Sass]

And the meeting went very well.

[Big Cat]

Okay.

[Sass]

We Were all like, all right, that makes sense. Like, he cleared up all of the things that we had.

[Big Cat]

This is the same thing we had when we had the meeting.

[Sass]

It's a reoccurring meeting. We have to have the meeting like, once a week.

[Big Cat]

I said that? Yeah, yeah.

[Sass]

Just to remind ourselves, like, oh, yeah, that makes sense. And then we got to, like, a great place. Everything made sense. Every Jerry was like, I get it.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Sass]

You know, he was given another. I get it. And then the next morning, that podcast came out, which I also did think about having it cut. And then I was like, I don't even think I said anything that crazy. And then, you know, you wake up and you see the Dave tweet, which that's happened to me a lot.

[Frankie]

Yeah.

[Sass]

I mean, pretty accustomed to that.

[Big Cat]

I said to Francis the other day, like, the Dave is. It's the invisible guest theory, where it's like, as much as you think Dave is thinking about you, he's not. He saw you for a second, tweeted it, then went out.

[Sass]

That's along. Yeah. In his day, that's exactly what I was. Dude, he's in Miami and he's rich. As he's not thinking about us at all.

[Big Cat]

Right. Which is actually probably a strength that Dave has in terms of, like a leader, is that everyone is always being like, man, Dave's thinking about me.

[Sass]

Definitely not at all.

[Frankie]

He's on the beach and like, he still is a pretty high volume tweeter. So you can go through his timeline and be like, he's talked about 12 things today and you're down here. Yeah, you've been pushed down. But I'm sure it was the. Well, I don't even think it was that bad for you in the moment. I'm sure it was worse for Jerry.

[Sass]

Yeah, it wasn't that bad for me. I just felt bad because I put Jerry and Mook in a tough spot. And then obviously it really well.

[Big Cat]

And you also kind of did the math and you're like, jerry's making how much?

[Francis]

Yeah.

[Sass]

Then that obviously comes to life, and

[Big Cat]

it's a lot tough for everyone. Mook said, listen, Jerry. I mean, Jerry is Albert Haynesworth.

[Sass]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

He got all his sacks, he signed his big deal, and then he got on his boat and started racing around. I say that. And by the way, I've said this to Jerry's face a hundred times, so it's not like I'm talking behind his

[Frankie]

back, but Albert Haynes were signed for seven years, $100 million.

[Big Cat]

No one was making 100 laying on the ground.

[Sass]

Yeah, it's tough. Mook said he was trying to figure out where he was in the seven. Seven figures

[Francis]

to the algebra.

[Frankie]

But I mean, learning experience, you know, I'm sure you have to deal with people's. You know, I don't even.

[Big Cat]

I told the success before when Bush was starting, because it was. It was kind of bubbling up again, like this similar situation. Then I got. I got on a call with him and I explained it to him. And then after, I called him separately and I was like, dude, the. The biggest advice I can give you is, like, when we started with pmt, I remember, like, there was always a little tension between Dave and Erica and. And PMT because PMT was growing at such a crazy pace. And I was like, every time I let it fester up, I would make like this boogeyman thought in my head of, like, Dave and Eric are trying to keep us down. And then I'd go talk to Dave and he would just, like, talk to me, like, oh, that makes sense. Yeah. It's like the longer that you let it fester and the bigger it gets in your head. You start, like, creating invisible enemies.

[Sass]

Definitely.

[Big Cat]

And then. And then they. And then he tells you exactly what it is. You're like, oh, yeah, okay.

[Sass]

Yeah.

[Frankie]

It kind of reminds me of like the James Corden or like, who. Who is the late night show that just ended and, oh, Stephen Colbert.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Frankie]

And there was a hundred or like 300 people on the stage, and everybody's like, that's like, at barstool, we only have like, four people that work on every show. But it's like, when you. When you actually look at it, like, the marketing people and the people and the HR people and the merch people and the security people all have to be paid out of it. So it's like the team is bigger than anybody ever realizes. But those sweets were bangers in real time.

[Big Cat]

Our HR person, I don't know, you guys, probably Kim, of course, she's the best. Yeah, I.

[Frankie]

She lets everything fly.

[Big Cat]

If you want to talk about, like, Dave's got a book coming out. Part of my takes got a book coming out. That's the book that I would read. Kim. I mean, she has the hardest job in the world because everyone jokes like, do you guys even have hr? Like, yeah, yeah, she's awesome.

[Frankie]

People. People think because of stuff that's come out that, like, oh, barstool. Just like, anything flies. What if you. What if you knew the stuff that didn't? What if you knew the Lists of, of naughty, naughty things that have happened.

[Sass]

And that's got to be a really hard job.

[Big Cat]

Oh, you think?

[Sass]

I mean this for sure.

[Big Cat]

Like pulling out her phone when. When we're doing like Vegas spring break. Oh, yeah.

[Sass]

She's like, well, yeah, this is broken every rule that we have in place.

[Francis]

So funny. On, on the pod, like a few weeks ago, the interns had just arrived in new. I said, boy, they're a good looking bunch. And I. That haunted me. And I meant boy. And I was like, quick to be like boys and girls just as a collective group. They're handsome kids.

[Big Cat]

But is it, is that true? Because we, we got all uglies.

[Sass]

Really?

[Big Cat]

No, I'm just kidding.

[Francis]

No, not really.

[Sass]

I don't know.

[Francis]

They're handsome here too.

[Sass]

I don't really. Well, we don't really have any like, content interns. Right. It's all like upstairs people. It's all like product or like, oh,

[Francis]

do we not have any content?

[Sass]

I don't think so.

[Frankie]

Now it's 14 total. Only seven did the intern interview. Seven.

[Big Cat]

Seven opt outs?

[Frankie]

Yeah, we had seven opt outs.

[Sass]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

Damn.

[Frankie]

Which wasn't an option to opt out. But yeah, to your point, like, you, you thought what you did was bad?

[Francis]

Well, I, it just, it rang in my head like, oh, saying interns are attractive. It's really pretty down the line.

[Frankie]

That's like a 1990s transgression.

[Francis]

Oh, my Bill Clinton.

[Frankie]

Yeah.

[Francis]

What the. Come on, man, wrap it up.

[Frankie]

That is an old transgression. But I mean, Kim, God bless her, we should have Kim on.

[Big Cat]

She would be awesome.

[Sass]

Yeah, I don't know what she would be. I don't think she's allowed to talk about anything.

[Big Cat]

Anything.

[Sass]

Yeah, yeah.

[Frankie]

She is very sweet though.

[Sass]

You think she goes home and talks?

[Big Cat]

Yeah, you got to unload that. I think that's like, that's spousal, like privilege.

[Sass]

Like you can't.

[Big Cat]

You like, if you're in the mafia, your wife can't like.

[Sass]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

You know, be on the stand against you, which I don't think is true. Yeah, but it's.

[Frankie]

How not. Kim just tells her guma. Everything. Kim just tells her side man. Everything. Yeah.

[Big Cat]

If Kim has a therapist, that's who we got to talk to.

[Sass]

Oh, right, right.

[Frankie]

Yeah.

[Sass]

Imagine being an HR person. And like, I mean, what is our HR department though? Is it just her?

[Big Cat]

Yeah, I think there's some. She has some people and then she

[Frankie]

talks to legal and, and she talks.

[Sass]

They gotta like get coffee together every

[Frankie]

day and just a bottle of wine.

[Big Cat]

It's literally world's hardest job. Hr barstool sports. Yeah, it's like, like Mike Ro. Like, so show me your day.

[Frankie]

Rolling up his sleeves to take calls about this and that. How's your guys book coming?

[Big Cat]

We're done. I was. When I was talking to France the other day, like, because I know he. The whole Dave ghostwriting thing kind of sucked for him, but we went through the exact same experience where we hired a ghostwriter, and the ghostwriter did a really good job of getting a bunch of interviews with, like, some of our longtime guests and people like, talking about their experience. But he. He wrote the whole book. And then I read maybe 10 pages. I was like, well, we have to rewrite all of it. So PFD had to rewrite all of it.

[Frankie]

What was his. What was your, like, telltale sentence that was like, this is not it.

[Big Cat]

It wasn't like. It wasn't that. He did. He did a fine job. It's just that we quickly realized, like, when you have someone like Dave, someone like pfd, someone like myself who has a distinct writing voice and podcasting voice for a decade plus, the minute someone reads it, they're like, oh, he didn't write it. Like you could do that if. If Kareem Abdul Jabbar has a book. We don't know. Kareem Abdul Jabbar has never written a. Guess that ass. You know what I mean?

[Francis]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

So we don't know what that sounds like.

[Frankie]

Yeah, he didn't do an MMBM. Is PFT's part written in like, PFTs, like intentional misspelling? No, he cleaned it.

[Big Cat]

He cleaned it up. But we did tell. Which I think made them very uncomfortable. We told our editor that, like Zach. So Zach wrote a couple chapters, Hank wrote a couple chapters, Max memes, all the guys, and we're like, do not touch it. Do not edit it. Do not do anything.

[Sass]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

Zach's like, he had a paragraph that, like, you. You couldn't even understand what he was trying to say. But that's how it should be. It should just be that.

[Frankie]

Is there annotations or anything?

[Big Cat]

No, I was like, just leave it exactly how it is.

[Frankie]

Garbage.

[Sass]

I can't wait to hear. To read that. Yeah.

[Big Cat]

The editor's like. Like, they have to be just pulling their hair out. Like, this is not how the book.

[Francis]

Yeah.

[Frankie]

It's like HR bar stools.

[Big Cat]

I was doing the audiobook reading and I still. I was like, catching things. Oh, yeah, there should be a word here.

[Frankie]

Did that take longer than you expected?

[Big Cat]

No. They actually yelled at me because I was. I was talking too fast. I was like, I'm. I'm like, I talking normally. And they're like, yeah, you're supposed to talk slower. I was like, well, kind of want to be done with this. Yeah.

[Sass]

Everyone's gonna put it in 1.5 anyway.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, right, Right.

[Frankie]

Yeah.

[Sass]

Sometimes they're like. You're like, this is so slow. Like, who's listening?

[Big Cat]

Yeah, dude.

[Sass]

It's 30 second pauses between sentences.

[Big Cat]

It's jar. I listen to this podcast on 1.8. I listen to anything on YouTube. I go like, 1.5 minimum because, like, I just can't.

[Sass]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

Now it's completely rewired my brain.

[Sass]

I haven't gotten into that, but I feel like that is a very common thing where people, once they go to it, they never stop.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Frankie]

I drove from. I drove from, like, Houston to Atlanta with. Or like Jackson, Mississippi to Atlanta with All Business Pete. And he was listening to podcasts on like, three. I've never done anything. I felt like I was in a time machine or like in Star wars when, like, all the stars go, like, zipping past you. It was insane.

[Sass]

Just rapidly processing information.

[Big Cat]

My. My mistake is I always change. I change the videos on Twitter to like 1.5 and then I'll like, click on a random highlight, like, holy. Way faster than I thought. Like, this is insane.

[Sass]

He's flying. 5 second 40.

[Frankie]

Yeah. Six spin moves.

[Sass]

Yeah.

[Francis]

Five second. Quite slow.

[Sass]

That's pretty slow.

[Frankie]

Yeah. What are you going to talk about with Guden if. If that is. That's your ball knowledge.

[Sass]

I can't be slipping up like that.

[Big Cat]

No, you can't.

[Sass]

Like an Aderall or something Walk away from. That's what I was whiteboard in here.

[Frankie]

I don't know what Gruden and Sass's common ground's going to be tomorrow.

[Sass]

I met him and.

[Big Cat]

Wait, what are you guys doing tomorrow?

[Sass]

We're just going to do it. We're going to have him on the pod.

[Big Cat]

Oh, yeah.

[Sass]

Yeah. Well, I met him at New Orleans, in New Orleans for the super bowl, but I don't think I spoke to him at all.

[Frankie]

So. What do you mean you met.

[Sass]

You, like, filmed a sketch with him, But I don't know if he knew I was there.

[Big Cat]

Oh, yeah, the Pink Pony. Yeah, that was a great sky.

[Sass]

I don't think I was there.

[Big Cat]

In his head, he can smell out a beta male.

[Francis]

Yeah, yeah.

[Sass]

He smelled me out from a mile

[Francis]

away last year because I was on the bubble. And then added late to The Internet Invitational. Somehow, miraculously, I ended up for my lodging in a shared house with as my roommates, Austin Dave and Jon Gruden. And there was this company, and you'll know the name that had sent you and John Gruden and Dave these boxes of autographed sports memorabilia. Oh, shit. And they hadn't opened them yet. Do you know the name of that company?

[Big Cat]

I don't, but I remember the box I got.

[Francis]

And I don't know if you guys know this, but. You don't know this, but as a kid, I lost sleep at night thinking of ways to get autographs from athletes.

[Sass]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Francis]

I would force.

[Sass]

We need.

[Francis]

We would get there to the Celtics games two hours early. I would. Knew the spot to stand. I would look sickly to try to, like, please LeBron. I didn't get pass for Make a Wish because it's not terminal, but, you know, like, whatever. And Carlos Boozer gave me his shoes off his own feet after a game once. Yeah. I had some cool stuff. And I remember I got Allen Iverson and Eric Snow in the Eastern Conference semifinals when the Celtics played the Sixers one year. Maybe it was the first round either way. So my point is, they're opening boxes in front of me.

[Sass]

Oh, yeah.

[Francis]

And it's like Tom Brady personalized, like, note on the letter.

[Big Cat]

Oh, no. I got a Walter Payton signed football. Yeah. I mean, he's passed away 25 years.

[Francis]

Gronk. Like, hel. Official Patriots helmet sign. And I'm just, like, drooling, and I think they might have left the stuff.

[Big Cat]

I took mine.

[Francis]

You took your.

[Big Cat]

I took mine because I remember. I got. It was like, a mix of, like, bears and badgers. And I got a T.J. watt signed helmet. Steelers. I held that over Jerry's head for a long time. Then I finally gave it to him.

[Francis]

No, they. They took it. But each day, as the tournament wore on, it was sitting out on the kitchen counter, and I was like. Like, I wonder if they've taken inventory of all the things.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, you could have. You could have taken,

[Frankie]

like, Gruden, like, knows the guys personally. Like, he probably has, like, signed letters.

[Francis]

Yeah.

[Sass]

This would have been a tough look if they noticed.

[Frankie]

Yeah.

[Sass]

Where did the signed Gronk helmet go?

[Francis]

Yeah.

[Sass]

Nearly bulging out of your backpack.

[Big Cat]

I'm.

[Sass]

See the mask through your backpack.

[Big Cat]

Have you seen. I'm getting in the collectibles game?

[Frankie]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

Did you guys go pissing the Bills trough? No, I have a fully functional.

[Sass]

I heard about this. I didn't.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Sass]

Where is it?

[Big Cat]

Sick. It's in the back bathroom.

[Sass]

Oh, I gotta check.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, you gotta go pissing that. It is a little bit of a bad angle because if you're pissing in it and anyone walks in the bathroom, they just. It's just direction.

[Frankie]

It's. No, it's like a 360 degree view. Yeah, it's like Pepperdine. Yeah, it's like how pepperdine is 360 degrees of ocean. Like you can see the penis from anywhere in the bathroom.

[Big Cat]

Essentially the Brian Kelly video when he's on the rotating thing. Yeah, that's just how you're pissing.

[Francis]

I was gonna say two girls at a wedding. You know that camera all the way around.

[Big Cat]

Exactly. Yeah. Same exact one.

[Frankie]

Yeah. Good. It's good. Memorabilia.

[Big Cat]

It's good. I mean, it's the. That no one wants.

[Sass]

Yeah, that's a good find. Where did you. How did you find that?

[Big Cat]

That one was an auction. The other one's like the Florida State banner. I just. I just asked them and they were like, yeah, I guess we'll do it. Who would have thought they put up a banner saying they were number four when co happened. Yeah, it's sitting right in the middle.

[Sass]

I gotta. I gotta be more aware.

[Frankie]

Yeah.

[Sass]

Stuff.

[Francis]

Yeah.

[Frankie]

You went right up to the. You, right. For the video games. As soon as you got here, I

[Sass]

had to take a look, know, see

[Francis]

what it was like.

[Big Cat]

Are you guys. Can I ask a question about Bush? Are you guys ever going to just play? Like you should just play and you keep losing players just play well.

[Sass]

So we. I did play at the last tournament.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, you should be like. Like Bill Russell. Didn't he play and coach?

[Frankie]

Yeah, exactly.

[Sass]

It's really hard and it. And I thought it was going to be easier. Like, I thought. I thought the skill gap wasn't going to be like, you know, it's like. I don't know.

[Frankie]

He was like. If Tom Thibodeau like laced up for a game. He was like. If Jon Gruden like tried to like play offensive line against Miles Garrett or something like.

[Francis]

And we know the skill gap is crazy because I. Harry and I played video games and he and I were the same.

[Big Cat]

Oh, I forgot. He beat you, right?

[Francis]

Yeah. And I hadn't played video games in 15 years.

[Big Cat]

So what is. What's the. How do you get better? Is it get younger or more Asian?

[Sass]

I think it's like a combination of both. I think it's got to be young and Asian.

[Frankie]

Young, Asian and adderalled up.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. Isn't it like the.

[Frankie]

The.

[Big Cat]

The prime Is like, like a 22 year old in Call of Duty is like, that guy's washed.

[Sass]

It's like 22 is like if he hasn't, like if he' crying now, he's got to get like, it's, it's coming to a close.

[Big Cat]

It's crazy.

[Sass]

Like, they like the oldest player in the league right now, I think just turned 26. Jesus.

[Frankie]

Oh, so he's washed. So he's like Tom.

[Sass]

Or he's like Aaron Rodgers right now.

[Frankie]

Oh, he's still sick.

[Francis]

Yeah, yeah, but they're like gymnasts.

[Sass]

Yeah, exactly.

[Francis]

Figure skaters.

[Sass]

But the skill gap is big. I mean, I played. I played in. Where. Where were we last? Dallas or. No, Atlanta. When we were in Atlanta, I played like as a joke with like Nicky Numbers, like in the tournament. And we came in last place in the whole tournament, but, like, we came in last place. The dudes that we were playing knew, like, we suck. Obviously they weren't trying at all. I like, couldn't even see them on the screen.

[Frankie]

It was like they would go by

[Sass]

the screen and then you're just. You're dead. Immediately.

[Big Cat]

That's.

[Frankie]

You need to get neuralink is really what.

[Sass]

There's a guy. There's a guy. We talked about the Saudi League. There's a guy in the Saudi League that has neuralink.

[Frankie]

Really? Is he sick?

[Sass]

Yeah, he's one of the top players.

[Frankie]

You need to get neuralink and you need to start biohacking like that dude Brian Johnson, because he's aging in reverse.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Frankie]

And his wife has a perfect out

[Sass]

of perfect sex every night.

[Francis]

I did not know he was straight.

[Sass]

Oh.

[Francis]

And I'm not even saying that.

[Big Cat]

What was getting you off? The fact that he was tracking his son's boners.

[Sass]

I mean, he posts like statistics from

[Big Cat]

his sex every morning, but the minute he went to that Enhanced Games and he had that sun umbrella, I was like, all right, I'm out. I don't think I saw that. Yeah, he was. Yeah, he was on set and he had a sun umbrella and he's like, son, like, I never am in the sun. What's the point of living if you can't get a 10?

[Frankie]

All of his life is ruined.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Frankie]

The only thing he. Because he. He doesn't drink. He doesn't like, touch the sun, he doesn't eat anything interesting. He is like, basically lives in an incubator for all of his days. Yeah.

[Sass]

His turf Meltdown.

[Big Cat]

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[Sass]

Oh, you missed out on a big one. He. He found out that, well, he works out in his front lawn that's made fully of turf.

[Big Cat]

Okay.

[Sass]

And he found out recently that the part of something in turf has, like, carcinogens in it.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Francis]

That's like, yeah, Bubbles.

[Sass]

He down on Twitter. And he was in a boat. He was like, I can't believe I didn't know this. Like, I've been trying so hard to be healthy, and I've been surrounding myself by carcinogens for years now. Like, it's full breakdown.

[Big Cat]

Is it bad to say, like, I hope he gets hit by a bus?

[Sass]

It's not good, but I get where you're coming.

[Big Cat]

I didn't say it. I said, is it bad?

[Frankie]

You're testing the water.

[Big Cat]

I didn't say they're dipping.

[Francis]

It's not bad. If it's a biodiesel bus.

[Frankie]

If it's.

[Francis]

Yeah.

[Frankie]

If it's fracking produced or. No, fracking would be bad, but just some natural gas powering the bus or something would be good.

[Big Cat]

And I'm not saying, like, like killed right away. I want him to have, like, a moment where he's like, damn, I really should have gotten a tan.

[Frankie]

But I think that, that the point is that it's the shaden Freud of, like, being like, yes, this guy has been wasting his life by trying to not live his life.

[Francis]

Correct.

[Frankie]

He's intentionally not living his life, and there should be some kind of comeuppance, and he probably will get outlived by, like, a smoking construction worker.

[Big Cat]

Oh, listen, you just get like a, a, a 410italian lady.

[Sass]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

Who drinks wine and every single day. And, like, what's the key to life? I got a garden with tomatoes.

[Sass]

That's It, Dude, I know. Smokes like six packs a day.

[Francis]

Yeah, I've been working out and. Well, no, I mean, I. I was going to say I've been drinking hard and smoking weed and doing all these things in the event that, like, there is a very healthy person inside of me trying to keep me alive to 110. I'm trying to ward off.

[Sass]

Oh, you're trying to do reverse it.

[Francis]

You know, I don't want to.

[Frankie]

You're doing reverse. Reverse aging.

[Francis]

I. I need to be. I'm worried that I am. I am what Brian Johnson wants himself to be fighting for and that I'm trying to, like, counteract the boredom of that.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. 110 is, like. You would see literally everyone you know die.

[Frankie]

Yeah.

[Francis]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

Every single person.

[Frankie]

You know, you'd see kids that are. You'd see babies that are being born right now die.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, it's crazy.

[Francis]

Dude, if someone today. If it was on our pod who was 110 years old, they'd be talking about, like, yeah, when my dad shipped off for World War I, you know, we had no idea how long the conflict would be. And I was doing so well. All my stock was in Standard Oil. And then Black Friday. I'll never forget the bodies falling off at Wall Street.

[Sass]

Yeah.

[Francis]

Like, dude, are you just reciting Wikipedia?

[Big Cat]

It'd be like, my grandson just passed at 70.

[Sass]

I mean, but if. If the average age were to go up, what, like 130, like, don't you think that would be, like, a big problem?

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Sass]

You think it'd be a problem? Overpopulation.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Frankie]

I also think Social Security is going to be out in, like, 10 years.

[Big Cat]

Right.

[Frankie]

Like, there's, like, no money left over for us to get old.

[Big Cat]

Just the boomers holding on for even more.

[Sass]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

Owning more things.

[Sass]

Yeah. It's pretty crazy. I mean, if we were. If, say, humans were to start living on average to 130, do you think they would, like, change the way that things work? Like, do you think you would still go to school so young?

[Frankie]

Wrong. Retirement age would be like 100.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Sass]

Yeah. That's probably the only thing that would change.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Frankie]

You just have to work. You just have to work way more.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, that would suck. If you retired at, like, 65 and you live to 110 years.

[Sass]

This is what life. I didn't work.

[Francis]

This is what I think is plaguing. This is one of the big existential threats for a lot of countries where the birth rate is declining.

[Frankie]

South Korea.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, South Korea.

[Francis]

That it's resulting in a Top heavy elder class. That is not supported by a youth. Full working class. And you're just gonna have like all these old horses out to pasture roaming around. Like, why isn't anyone helping me?

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Francis]

Across the street.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, yeah.

[Frankie]

You got to help each other. You got to get on a buddy system. Yeah, get, get like a chain. You ever see the chains of like little kids holding on to the leashes? Everybody's.

[Francis]

I always crop dust those kids, dude,

[Big Cat]

I gotta say, you know that they're

[Francis]

gonna blame each other.

[Big Cat]

Like when you see a parent with a leash on their kid.

[Sass]

Oh yeah.

[Big Cat]

You're like, that's crazy. And then when you have. You're like, that makes sense.

[Sass]

You know, Nick was a leash kid.

[Big Cat]

He was.

[Sass]

Oh yeah, dude.

[Big Cat]

My kids like, I. As. There's sometimes my kids will just like try to run into traffic and I'm just like, I'm just sprinting after them. It's like, damn, I wish I had a leash. Right?

[Sass]

Yeah, I mean I, I think get one. You know, every parent should have one of those like shock collars.

[Frankie]

That too.

[Sass]

But I was gonna say one of those leashes that like retracts.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, you can just grab for the little dogs.

[Sass]

Yeah, get the button.

[Frankie]

My kids might wind up on a leash, bro. You never know.

[Sass]

You really don't.

[Big Cat]

So I was, I was saying before. So your, your, your diss track to the three year old was so good.

[Frankie]

Yeah, three year old pushed my one year old and I got furious and wrote a diss track because my nanny almost fought. Fought that their nanny.

[Big Cat]

So in Ron and I had. So Ron's nanny was my kid's nanny when we lived in Brooklyn. The best. The absolute best. But she used to get into like beefs at the park because like she is so like territorial for the kids. It's awesome.

[Frankie]

That's what you want?

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Frankie]

You want them to be you, you want a nanny to be super territorial.

[Big Cat]

I'd be like, well, like, why aren't you going to that park? She's like, we don't go to that park anymore.

[Frankie]

It's the dirty part.

[Big Cat]

Like we got, we, we like. I, I saw nanny. We got a little beef. Like we don't do that. Yeah, she runs it, dude. She runs Brooklyn real. Yeah, dude, she, she, she keeps it to like.

[Sass]

She have like a ton of clients.

[Big Cat]

No, no, she.

[Frankie]

Yeah, but she has a, but her, her network of other nannies so she could link up a play date like anywhere. She has people in every building. She has people all over the place. We'll Meet up at this plaza.

[Sass]

This.

[Big Cat]

And she's been in Dumbo now because my kid, my firstborn was 2019, so she's been in. Working in Dumbo. She worked with my family all the way up till we moved back to Chicago, and then Ron not far after that, so.

[Frankie]

And there was someone else in media,

[Sass]

I think, one at a time.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Sass]

So, like, you passed her down to Roan.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, she was. She was my family's nanny.

[Sass]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

Oh, yeah.

[Sass]

Yeah.

[Francis]

How. How long will you have her for?

[Frankie]

Probably till they're like, forever. 25.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, I was going to say. I was going to say maybe.

[Francis]

Maybe I'll have kids by then. So I'll take. Yeah, no, probably not. Knowing the way things are going in

[Big Cat]

my life, if we didn't move, we'd still have her.

[Francis]

So.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, she's the best, but she's. I saw that diss track, and I

[Frankie]

was just like, this is because you know her.

[Francis]

Yeah.

[Frankie]

You know what she's, like, around.

[Big Cat]

She'll play.

[Frankie]

People think that I was joking about it, and she doesn't. She said that the other nanny called her, like, later on to, like, apologize, to, like, bend the knee. Yeah. It's almost like the scene early on in the Departed where it's like, you know who you were messing with? Yeah. It's like this.

[Francis]

Is she also with a nanny you can't quite hit?

[Frankie]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

I didn't. I never told her, like, explicitly, like, hey, you know, just because, like, I. I keep my kids private. I never told her, like, explicitly, like, hey, I'm public, you know, she knew what I did for a living. But so she. When she kind of figured it out, I caught her. Someone asked, like, what. They were in my house, and I was in the other room, and someone was like, oh, what does. What does Dan do for a living? And she's just like, I don't know. She doesn't say anything or something.

[Sass]

She doesn't. So awesome.

[Frankie]

Dude, he's in sanitation.

[Sass]

That's hilarious.

[Frankie]

Don't worry about it. Family.

[Big Cat]

But, like, that's ride or die. I was so happy. I was just like, I never asked for that.

[Frankie]

That.

[Big Cat]

But it's awesome to have someone who's like, got your back.

[Frankie]

And she carried the same thing on for me. I'm like, I'm not Big cats level.

[Big Cat]

We don't talk about it.

[Frankie]

Yeah.

[Sass]

She's like, why sports entertainment?

[Big Cat]

Ask one more question, you're gonna be in trouble.

[Frankie]

Yeah, she really does. She's, like, cracking her knuckles.

[Sass]

What do you say when people ask you what you do for work, like in like a cab or something?

[Big Cat]

I say podcast usually. Yeah.

[Sass]

I say. I say I'm in sports media.

[Big Cat]

That. That works.

[Francis]

Yeah.

[Sass]

I work for a sports media company.

[Big Cat]

Podcast is funny because you can. I like saying podcast because it's like a fun reaction where I think people like when I say podcast and they don't have any idea. The biggest loser. Like I'm the biggest loser possible. Oh, and I love that. Yeah. I just.

[Frankie]

Sorry to hear that. Yeah.

[Francis]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

Right.

[Sass]

Oh, like the radio.

[Big Cat]

Things are going that bad, huh?

[Frankie]

Just in your basement, like with a ham radio trying to broadcast out.

[Sass]

Especially now that, like, everyone's got a podcast best.

[Frankie]

Yeah.

[Sass]

Like they probably just assume it's like the bottom of the barrel.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Frankie]

So funny you say comedian.

[Francis]

Well, it really depends on who's asking. If it's someone that I don't want to have any follow up questions. I just say writer, and then if it's someone I'm trying to sleep with, once I say comedian, but it's not going that well. And then if it's someone I'm like keen on. On boy or girl having friendship.

[Frankie]

An intern sleeping with.

[Francis]

Yeah. Well, you know, then it would be like work for an Internet media company called Barstool Sports.

[Big Cat]

That works. Have you now, have you ever met someone who didn't really know what Barcelona. A famous person who didn't know what Barstool Sports was and uttered the phrase we'd love to have you on our podcast because that is the biggest loser phrase you could ever say in your entire life. I've never felt worse. I've saying that to someone.

[Sass]

Me and.

[Frankie]

Me and Sass did that to Casey Fry one time at the stand. At the stand. We both saw Casey Fry. We both like spaz. Cuz we're both fans. We're like, dude, come on our podcast, dude.

[Sass]

Never heard.

[Big Cat]

I said it to Beck. I said it to Beck Bennett once on a train.

[Frankie]

Really?

[Big Cat]

And I felt like such a loser.

[Frankie]

But you should have shown him the numbies.

[Sass]

That's especially.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Sass]

But still someone who's in like traditional media.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. Who has no idea what this is.

[Sass]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

Oh, that was br.

[Frankie]

But now he does a podcast.

[Big Cat]

Podcast.

[Frankie]

Have you, you have you ever, like, circled back on that?

[Big Cat]

Because no. And I actually. We have a mutual friend. So like, I did the mutual friend thing on the train and then I was like, we'd love to have you on the podcast. And I walked off. I was like. And it was a train to Brooklyn. Like, I was just a walking trope. Of just. Douchebag.

[Sass]

Do you know what?

[Francis]

I just occurred to me because I just started. Did you guys watch Jury Duty?

[Sass]

No.

[Big Cat]

Yes.

[Sass]

That I've heard.

[Francis]

Yeah. So the new season's out.

[Frankie]

Yeah.

[Francis]

And it's a company retreat. And initially I started watching and I was like, ah, this isn't anywhere near as good. And then by the second episode, I was laughing so hard I couldn't even breathe.

[Frankie]

Really? Yeah.

[Francis]

I don't know yet, but there were moments that really killed me.

[Frankie]

Laugh that hard, it's got to be pretty good.

[Francis]

I know. I just don't know if the characters are as compelling yet.

[Sass]

I haven't seen the. What is the premise of the show?

[Francis]

It's the Truman show, basically, where they hire all these actors and it's all on a set and it's framed as a documentary about American Judicial System. And then there's one guy who is not an actor and has no idea idea that everyone else is fake and he's real.

[Big Cat]

It's like the Joe Millionaire. Remember that when they did the fake game show?

[Frankie]

Everybody's an actor but one person.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, yeah.

[Sass]

It sounds like that. Nathan Fielder show.

[Big Cat]

Nathan, for you.

[Sass]

The other one, the new one.

[Big Cat]

Oh, the rehearsal. Rehearsal, yeah.

[Sass]

Kind of.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, but kind of not really.

[Frankie]

Joe Millionaire.

[Sass]

An inverted rehearsal.

[Big Cat]

I don't think that one. That's completely stopped the conversation.

[Francis]

Really? You confused that? I'm good for one of those. It was confusing and it didn't fit.

[Big Cat]

Oh, listen, I.

[Sass]

Listen, I know it doesn't work.

[Francis]

It's like we had finished a puzzle and there was one piece left and you had it. You're like, I got it. And it was just like. It didn't. It was just like, from a different puzzle.

[Big Cat]

So it's like. It's like. It's like the Wire. Is it like The Wire on HBO?

[Frankie]

It's easier when you listen on 1.8 because we get past the moment.

[Big Cat]

All right, But I gotta check that out. I love the premise of it.

[Frankie]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

I would love to do that with someone here.

[Francis]

I know. I was thinking about, is there a world where we could recreate some version?

[Frankie]

There' one guy. You do it One guy.

[Big Cat]

Easily.

[Sass]

Yeah, definitely.

[Big Cat]

We could tell him to his face, like, oh, I'm in. Oh, no. I gotta watch for a panic show.

[Frankie]

Honestly, if you got panic, you should get panic in it.

[Sass]

That would be sick.

[Frankie]

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[Francis]

You said you couldn't wait.

[Frankie]

I won't.

[Francis]

Then I literally couldn't wait.

[Frankie]

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[Francis]

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[Frankie]

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[Sass]

Right.

[Francis]

But the, the guy, there's a guy, an actor in this show who was the third member of Good Neighbor stuff.

[Big Cat]

Oh, yeah, yeah.

[Francis]

The dark haired guy with the curly hair.

[Big Cat]

And I was like, didn't get famous.

[Francis]

Yeah. And I was like, man, what an indictment on his career.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Francis]

That he's not recognizable enough that they felt comfortable putting him in a show where the entire thing is that you're an actor but nobody knows who you are.

[Big Cat]

But I think that the, the screening process has to be so extensive for that one person. Without a doubt, that one person has the best life ever because they basically just have no idea what is going on in the world.

[Sass]

That mean. Yeah, that means that they're showing up to work every day, just checks the out.

[Big Cat]

They don't. But they don't have Twitter, they don't have Instagram. They're not watching any of the streaming platforms. They're like, you know, they're putting on maybe the news, watching the ball game, keeping on for the weather.

[Sass]

It's local news.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. Like, that guy rocks.

[Francis]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

Those people give me faith in humanity, honestly.

[Sass]

Or.

[Frankie]

And jealousy too. Just like, oh, imagine not caring about and like having no offense, but no ambition to, to that level.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Francis]

But think about this though. Like, don't you think it's still a risk that that guy. There's no way they asked him in his screening process. Like, have you ever seen the sketch comedy show from like 15 years ago? Good Neighbor stuff?

[Sass]

Yeah.

[Francis]

Right. So there's a chance that that one moment.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Francis]

Could undo.

[Sass]

Maybe that was. And that's when the normal guy, he gets. When he gave up the Internet was when good neighbor stuff retired.

[Frankie]

That's my favorite show.

[Big Cat]

I wonder. I wonder how extensive the sc. I imagine they're screening. Like they're talking to the person's like friends and family too.

[Francis]

I wonder.

[Big Cat]

It's like CIA. CIA level.

[Sass]

Yeah. Cuz like the. The possibility of it going wrong would set them back, like so much money. Just start over halfway through the show and the guy's like, I actually know all of you guys. I've seen all of your work.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Sass]

Whoa.

[Big Cat]

But there are a lot of people out there who just live their life.

[Frankie]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

And it's. I love them.

[Frankie]

Yeah. I want it so bad. Bad. Some. Some days I wish there was like just a. Like I could take a month of just doing nothing to completely reset, but it's impossible. Even if I have like three days off, I'm like, okay, I need to start a new show or some like that.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. But I. The. The best is like, I'll every now and then come across someone and they'll be like, oh, you're Big Cat. And they won't say, like, part of my take. Partial sports. I do a radio hit on Chicago radio and they're like, oh, I love you on the radio. That's the only thing they hear me from.

[Sass]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

That's crazy. That person rocks.

[Sass]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

They literally just get car. They turn on the radio. It's like 1975. Every day they go to work, they

[Sass]

get out of the weather for today.

[Big Cat]

They put the radio back on. If they miss my 30 minute hit weekly, they just missed it. They don't have any way of getting it.

[Frankie]

Yeah, I missed it. Well, there's always next week. Yeah, I'll come back next week.

[Sass]

Nine hours a week of Big Cat. On part of my take.

[Frankie]

When you talk about, like describing what barstool is, I remember the, the bachelor party. The. The famous bachelor party I went on with John Mayer Jensen's bachelor party and Ben, like so, like. Yeah. Like, explain to him what like barstool is. And John Mayer's like, I think I know what it is. It's like run by some guy named Trent or something like that. Because Trent's like a big John. Mayor would like tweet at him all the time.

[Sass]

Trent runs the whole place.

[Frankie]

Yeah. And I think that was his perception. And since then you guys have all. You both have become great friends with him.

[Francis]

With Trent.

[Frankie]

Yeah.

[Francis]

I do love you.

[Big Cat]

Met.

[Francis]

Yeah. We had a very funny DM exchange change where he messaged me okay. Just out of the blue, that's what

[Big Cat]

he did with me. Yeah.

[Francis]

Yeah. Well, that makes sense.

[Big Cat]

Well, I mean, yeah, I guess. But I was still like, hey, can

[Francis]

I come on your podcast?

[Big Cat]

No, no, no. He was. I was at the Sphere for a show.

[Francis]

Oh yeah.

[Big Cat]

And I was like, I. I like tweeted a pic or did an Instagram story of the show and he was like, hey, if you're here, come. Come by Saturday night and like, come hang out in the green room.

[Francis]

That's cool.

[Big Cat]

Didn't know it was just me and him.

[Frankie]

Ate.

[Big Cat]

Ate my mush. I thought I timed my mushrooms correctly, but the last five minutes of me and John Mayer. I don't know why that is crazy. Cuz I like, I was like, all right. He told me to come by.

[Sass]

I think he was like, your tie dye.

[Big Cat]

And dude, it was like. It was like. It shows it like 7:30.

[Frankie]

He's like, like sunglasses, he's got a black shirt.

[Big Cat]

He's like, come by at 6. And I was like, all right, great. So I ate all my mushrooms at like, I don't know, like 5 thir. Or yeah, 5:30. And then he was delayed a little bit so that I didn't go into his green room till like 6:15. And then by like the end of the 20 minutes, I was like, I gotta get the out of here. I'm enjoying this, but I gotta get the out of here bad.

[Sass]

Getting back there and it being just you guys is insane.

[Big Cat]

He's a man.

[Frankie]

Yeah, just like a big room. It's probably like the. The hockey team's locker room. It's like a huge roomy dude.

[Big Cat]

He's the nicest guy ever. And obviously one of the best guitarists in the world.

[Frankie]

He reached out to you about you like stealing food from the Delta Lounge or something like that? Or was that a different conversation?

[Francis]

That was exactly. It was that I posted just an Instagram story. Should have posted it as a full post.

[Frankie]

You run it back.

[Sass]

I did.

[Big Cat]

About that.

[Francis]

I was going in the Delta Lounge and I was. I was showing how you can take food out because they don't let you take food out by putting it in the to go coffee cup cups because you're allowed to take to go coffee out. And I was just filling up chicken salad and then you put a top on it. And I had like three coffees for the flight and I walked out with a full meal. And then on the plane, I'm eating from one cop, like chicken salad, then like orzo.

[Frankie]

And then honestly, if you did that video again, it would go crazy.

[Francis]

Yeah, yeah.

[Frankie]

In the new style, the dude perfect will do it.

[Francis]

Yeah, yeah, true. But John Mayer reached out and he wrote something like, this is giving genius. And. And I wrote back, like, you know, we gotta fight back somehow. And he was like, I'm gonna play along because I fly private. But, yeah, the big airlines, they're really. And then I was like, must be nice or something. And I said I was really trying. I was really editing what I was.

[Big Cat]

Oh, yeah.

[Francis]

Trying really hard. It might even be worth.

[Big Cat]

I got. I got in my own head when I started DMing with him big time. I was John, man.

[Frankie]

Yeah. Yeah. You have to. Yeah. Plan it out beforehand.

[Big Cat]

It's crazy, Francis, that, like, knowing you as well as I know you and, like, how you second guess these things, like, how the. Did you win the Internet Invitational? Like. Like, that is the mental game, the mental fortitude to win a golf tournament like that is.

[Frankie]

You can't second guess a golf shot. You have one crack at it. There's no. No tapping a golf shot.

[Big Cat]

Like, you're a really good golfer.

[Sass]

How.

[Frankie]

That does make it way funnier.

[Francis]

Yeah, I'll get to that. I want to read you this. It's quick. He wrote, the food in the Starbucks cups idea is incredible. A brilliant engineering move. And I wrote, john, next time we're at the buffet in the Delta Sky Club, I'll cover for you. He wrote, can't wait. I do worry you may have blown the lid. Parentheses pun off this. And then I wrote, and I don't think he was expecting it to get this far. I wrote, delta jacked their status thresholds to nearly unreachable markers. The genie's been out of the bot. I can't be the only moron trying to earn back my annual credit card fee with rice pilaf. And he goes, I'm going to try and carry on with this conversation as best I can, seeing as I fly private. I don't know how much a gallon of milk costs. I'm a real piece of shit. And how about those lines at the gate? And I said, about time you come clean. You talented, entirely deserving motherfucker. Enjoy those sashimi platters and cold pressed juice. Juices. Talk soon, man. Like, I wanted out of the conversation.

[Big Cat]

That's good. That's good.

[Francis]

And then he wrote, fast friends. And he followed me.

[Big Cat]

Love that.

[Francis]

And then he messaged me again. He showed me. He sent me someone else's post of a guitar case that had, like, their. Like their luggage, like, their clothes. Or something. Yeah. Like someone had packed a guitar case to pack and then put luggage in it. So he was, like, really trying to be friends.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, you gotta.

[Sass]

And then what happened?

[Big Cat]

Become friends.

[Francis]

And then I once wrote, roan said, you're coming in Wednesday. This may be unfounded. And then I wrote, never mind. He was just kidding.

[Sass]

And that's the dagger. That's. That's the end right there.

[Big Cat]

Oh, no, no.

[Francis]

He actually wrote back to me because I messaged him about watches.

[Big Cat]

That's brutal.

[Francis]

I said, I think I need a paddock unless you tell me I don't.

[Sass]

That's crazy. Even if I told you it's a crazy dm.

[Francis]

And he goes, well, he's a watch guy. Like, big watch guy. Well, now you're gonna walk it back.

[Sass]

No, I'm not walking it back at all.

[Big Cat]

Well, you will.

[Francis]

When you read what he wrote back to me, he goes, even if I told you, you didn't, it wouldn't take away the compulsion. The sickness is in you now. And I didn't respond.

[Sass]

Wow.

[Frankie]

So. And. And did you get the Patek Philippe?

[Francis]

No, I don't have the money for that.

[Frankie]

He doesn't know that, though.

[Francis]

Gotta win another Internet invitational.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Sass]

Yam.

[Francis]

So the question is, how did I win that? Good question, big cat. No, it's just crazy.

[Big Cat]

Like, you were. You're the mental fortitude it takes when you do second guess everything else in your life.

[Francis]

I know I do.

[Frankie]

Yeah.

[Francis]

But I would say that, like, I was the. The. You know, of the people in there that were like, Frankie, me and. And Beef were the most affect. Affected because the other three are, like, yeah. Really good, competitive golfers.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Francis]

And I got lucky to have made the least damning mistakes at the most critical junctures. It's not because I outplayed anyone.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. But that's not. Making a mistake is a big deal. Right.

[Frankie]

Like, Frankie lost because he made a mistake. No offense to Frankie.

[Francis]

Fine. But, like, if you look at some of the shots that I hit, when it was really at the end, I just got. I got lucky that they didn't end up in worse spots.

[Big Cat]

That's. That's part of the game.

[Francis]

Yeah, fine. But, like, it's not as if I was playing for the misses that I hit.

[Big Cat]

Just take the compliment.

[Francis]

I will, and I appreciate it. I will, and I appreciate it. I also was drinking a little bit.

[Big Cat]

That's smart.

[Francis]

Not too much.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, but just that level of, like, calm your nerves to beta block a little bit. Yep.

[Sass]

I.

[Francis]

And I remember I yelled to wit on, like, 13, because we were passing the place where you like the bar kind of halfway house. And I was like, whit, I need. Can you get me a double John Daly, which is Arnold Palmer with vodka in it? He's like, yeah, I got you, bud. But he had bet on the other team against Dave, and I think he made it a quad. Oh. And it was the.

[Big Cat]

Should have done the reverse. He should have made nothing in it. Yeah, that would have been smart.

[Francis]

But I was like, put, like, an Adderall in it. He's trying to get me too drunk to be able to putt and stuff. Quad.

[Sass]

I didn't even know they made that.

[Frankie]

Yeah. I've never heard of a quad.

[Sass]

Crazy.

[Francis]

It's just vodka with a splash of lemonade and iced tea at the top.

[Sass]

That's like. You ever see people make, like, the mimosas where they have, like, the spray thing for the. For the orange?

[Big Cat]

When did you. Did you do a video of your invitation?

[Sass]

No, I haven't gotten mine yet. I just got lost.

[Frankie]

It's on its way.

[Big Cat]

It would be awesome if you were.

[Francis]

Yeah, I agree.

[Sass]

I don't know. I don't know.

[Francis]

He hasn't put his flag out there enough about golf.

[Big Cat]

Well, we Sass and I teamed up on the Ryder Cup. Maybe the worst duo.

[Sass]

Yeah, that's the thing is, like, I can swing the club well, and I'm like. Can make contact. But if you get me out there by myself, like, you've only played. You've only seen me play when we play together, and you're like, hit a six iron here, pitching wedge here. Me and him together.

[Big Cat]

Oh, my God. It was so, so funny.

[Sass]

You can't keep the ball on the fair.

[Big Cat]

We were. We were literally, like, pumping each other up. If we just got the ball going forward.

[Sass]

Yeah. That became our.

[Big Cat]

Like, you be, like, close to. Like, I'd hit 10 yards. You'd be like, did some not go forward before that? Closer to the hole? This is awesome.

[Frankie]

Or something going backwards. Like.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, there were a couple. I mean, that tee shot.

[Francis]

Yeah, dude, that T shot. I will go back and watch the one where you hit the slow swing.

[Big Cat]

Oh.

[Francis]

Because it was so bad.

[Big Cat]

Bad.

[Francis]

That's the hardest I've ever seen Dave laugh.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, I'm. I'm trying. I'm gonna try to get better because I.

[Frankie]

But what's your golf rules?

[Big Cat]

Nine holes. Okay, so I'm only playing nine holes. This, like, I. Because that's the problem with golf. It's, like, five hours. It's so much Time.

[Sass]

Especially if you don't play well on the first half, you know the second half is going to go worse.

[Big Cat]

Right, Right. Nine holes. Has to be walking and has to be within.

[Frankie]

Why has to be walking.

[Big Cat]

Has to be walking. I.

[Sass]

15 minutes of your house.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. What?

[Francis]

It's close.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. No, there's just one public course I play. Oh, okay. It's actually a beautiful public course in Chicago. It's right on the water.

[Sass]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

But. Yeah, it's just that.

[Frankie]

So who's laughing now, Sass?

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Frankie]

Yeah.

[Francis]

We don't got one guy wants to get home to his family and you're just like, you know.

[Big Cat]

No, I. I found. I. I dropped my kids off at school and now they're out of school, but I dropped my kids off at school. Tee off at 8 in the office by 10:15. Oh, that's perfect amount of golf.

[Sass]

Yeah, that's great.

[Big Cat]

And nine holes. You finish nine holes, you're like, I could. I wish I was playing more golf.

[Frankie]

You leave wanting more.

[Big Cat]

I'm like, this is the worst experience of my life.

[Sass]

Yeah. Done so.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. And walking because I like, I don't know, get some steps in.

[Francis]

Yeah.

[Sass]

It is good to walk. I agree with that. I just didn't. Yeah.

[Francis]

So just for reference, I played 45 holes on Saturday and 36 on Sunday.

[Big Cat]

Jesus Christ.

[Frankie]

What?

[Big Cat]

Why? That's so.

[Francis]

Because I love it.

[Frankie]

You played 81 holes.

[Francis]

I'm absolutely obsessed. I love golf. My favorite thing in the world.

[Frankie]

So he played nine times as much as you would in an ideal day over two days.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. Listen.

[Francis]

Last summer, my buddy and I tried to play a hundred holes in a day. And the only reason we. We couldn't. We played 90 holes in one day was because of lightning.

[Frankie]

Too many quads.

[Francis]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

I mean, how many?

[Francis]

We were stopped for lightning a number of times.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. I. I can't. It's just the. The time suck of like being like, all right, I'm leaving the house. I'll be. See in six hours.

[Francis]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

Can't do it.

[Sass]

Come back.

[Francis]

You would do. If. If you want more golf, all you need to do is get divorced.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. Say, give my kids away and present

[Francis]

horribly in the child. You know, who gets the kids.

[Sass]

Yeah. You'll be in tip top shape by the invitational.

[Big Cat]

I did get my kids into golf lessons because I was like, that's the one thing. Thing. Like, I wish Sass, when he swings, even though he doesn't play like, you're like that. He knew he learned how to golf when he was a kid.

[Sass]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

I Did like, you can tell someone who knew, who learned at a young age, and they have the ability to, like, it's like riding a bike. And not that they'll be, like, as good as they were, but they just know the things to do. I don't know anything.

[Frankie]

Like, it's a natural motion.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. So I want my kids to have that.

[Sass]

I don't know when I got, like, a good swing, because when I was in high school, my coach told me. He was like, your swing is terrible. Like, he literally told me that.

[Big Cat]

The coach? Yeah, to make it better.

[Sass]

Oh, no, not in this golf coach. Like, the golf coach in high school, their only job is to just drive you to the matches. We don't have a bus. They have a van. So the coach has to drive the van. That's the only reason he's. He's not giving you any advice.

[Francis]

Ironically, my. My freshman year high school lacrosse coach, his job when he wasn't coaching was bus driver.

[Frankie]

Yeah.

[Francis]

And so sometimes he would drive our bus when we didn't have a bus driver. And he knew where everything was. Oh, I'm sure, like, the switches. He was, you know, smooth.

[Sass]

That's great.

[Francis]

Yeah.

[Frankie]

Fucking dream.

[Big Cat]

What? I don't know when this is coming out, but what was New York City like for the next run? Feel felt like it must have been just everyone was on cloud nine.

[Frankie]

It was pretty sick.

[Sass]

Yeah. Were you guys there? Were you guys in the city?

[Frankie]

No, I was there when they won it, but also, like, I was at home.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Frankie]

I was, like, about to go outside and bang pots and.

[Big Cat]

But even still, like, day to day. It must have been just awesome.

[Frankie]

Day to day was pretty sick. I was talking to Tommy and Glenny about it. They're both, like, Fringish Nick fans. And I was like, what's your guys perspective about people from, like, Ohio or Minnesota that moved to New York and are huge Knicks fans? And Tommy was like, yeah, I think it's awesome. It makes the parties more fun. And Glenny's like, I hate it. He basically was like, I. I don't want anybody else having fun. Like, everybody else who's, like, jumping on this bandwagon and is, like, undeserved. It means more to me. And these guys are just riding my coat.

[Big Cat]

Every championship team ever has a bandwagon. Yeah. It's so funny that we do this every time a team wins. It's like, yeah, when a team wins and there's parties every night, people are gonna be like, hey, that party's fun.

[Frankie]

Yeah, I want to Go to a part. What's the alternative? If you like to party, you're going to want to go to the party. You're not gonna be like, well, I didn't want to root for this team, so I'm not gonna go outside.

[Sass]

I'm actually a Trailblazers fan.

[Big Cat]

Did you guys see. Did you guys see Elmo on a.

[Sass]

On a.

[Big Cat]

They put Elm.

[Sass]

No, I don't think so.

[Big Cat]

On a stick. On a spear. What is it. What is it called? What is it? A steak? Yeah, they put Elmo's head on a steak. That.

[Frankie]

I love it. Why Elmo?

[Big Cat]

Because Elmo said before the series, like, hope both teams have fun. Everyone's like, you, Elmo, you're a real New Yorker. Like, what the. You turn your back on us? They put it on a city. It just said traitor. And it was a Elmo's head on a stick.

[Frankie]

My favorite video from the last game was this spurs fan who fought everybody.

[Francis]

Everybody.

[Sass]

Yeah, I don't think I saw that.

[Frankie]

What is. It was like this jacked up Debo dude who was like. It looked like when there's like a shark and then a school of fish and any direction he goes, the whole school like gives him like a birth of like 10ft and like he's moving a crowd and like people are sucker punching him, trying to like trip New York. It was in New York. It looked like people were saying he was at the game. It looked like Penn Station.

[Francis]

It looked like it was in. In the Garden. But the sort of the concourse area. I saw that. I loved it. I have a question. Is the idea of rooting for the team if you've transplanted into that city. So I remember I have friends from college that moved to Seattle to work for Amazon, I think from the Midwest or something like that. And after a few years, naturally they became Seahawks fans. Do you think there is more legitimacy based on the geographic marooning? If you move to Seahawks Seattle, you're going to root for the Seahawks?

[Big Cat]

Yeah. I mean, if you're there for the rest of your life too. You know what I mean?

[Francis]

Or like you're there for a little bit. Like there's no to go. To continue to root for the Knicks. If you're. Or like makes it harder. You're so far away you're not going to go to any games. I don't know. I thought that that seemed natural. And somehow if you're from Ohio, you move to New York City, you become a Knicks fan.

[Big Cat]

I think people are more mad about the celebrity Nick fans Because that's like, that pisses people off.

[Sass]

People get really mad about really Taylor Swift.

[Frankie]

People are furious at Haley Bieber, front row.

[Sass]

It's like, who else is going to buy the ticket? It's a million dollars to sit there.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. It's like the coolest experience you could. Like if you have billions of dollars, there's only so many cool experiences you can do.

[Sass]

Also, like, that's who should be sitting courtside. No one wants to see some Joe Schmo's coming down. Sitting courtside at the NBA, there always

[Big Cat]

is some Joe Schmo who's like super rich. And everyone's like, that guy.

[Frankie]

Did you see that?

[Big Cat]

More money than everyone else.

[Frankie]

The person sitting next to Timothee Chalamet and Kylie Jenner looks like a Blutman brother. He just. No way. I don't think he's like a rich son of somebody and he just has like long hair, wearing like a sweatsuit. It makes it. It's actually hilarious.

[Sass]

But yeah, I mean, I think it's just like, that's the Knicks.

[Big Cat]

It just looked awesome. Like, I. Because obviously living in New York.

[Frankie]

It's awesome. It is awesome. Anybody should be invited to the party. It's a party.

[Big Cat]

Like the city buzz. Yeah.

[Sass]

Like, not only should you be able to like, in the. The fandom, like, you should be able to be a fan. I think you should also be able to, like, inherit all of the suffering they went through and refer to it as like, we went through.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Sass]

That's my big thing.

[Big Cat]

53 was 50. 53 years.

[Sass]

Yeah. I've been saying everyone. Everyone in New York. I can't believe how long we waited for this.

[Frankie]

It's like being an old man. Being like, we needed the rain.

[Francis]

Harry's lived in New York for four years.

[Sass]

53 years.

[Francis]

Yeah.

[Sass]

I mean. I mean, I'm out in Queens now, so it's a lot of. Wait, you moved? Oh, yeah. A of lot of culture.

[Big Cat]

So. Wait, I missed that.

[Sass]

Yeah.

[Frankie]

He moved to Queens.

[Sass]

Queens.

[Frankie]

Now he lives at LaGuardia.

[Sass]

At LaGuardia.

[Frankie]

He got an apartment at Lagarde.

[Sass]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

Wait, why did you move that far?

[Sass]

I just move. I mean, I wanted to save money. I'm not. I don't really do a lot of anymore, you know.

[Big Cat]

Do you have a bigger place?

[Sass]

Yeah, and way cheaper.

[Big Cat]

Nice.

[Sass]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Big Cat]

I mean, you did live in the most expensive place in the whole city. In the whole world.

[Frankie]

Yeah.

[Sass]

No, I couldn't keep.

[Big Cat]

It was like Tokyo, Japan and Saskatchewan is apartment Monaco.

[Sass]

I mean, I was like, I looked on Zillow. Just like, for kicks, to see. Like. Yeah, maybe there's something around me. And it's like the apartments around my apartment were like 30 grand a month.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Sass]

It was like, there's nothing here.

[Frankie]

Yeah.

[Sass]

My parents would be like, why don't you just buy your place? Like, well, do you guys have $15 million?

[Big Cat]

Wait, so what? So what? So has it changed anything? Like.

[Sass]

No. No.

[Big Cat]

What's the commute?

[Francis]

That's.

[Sass]

Take the train. It's pretty easy. It's like 25 minutes. Yeah. It's quick.

[Big Cat]

You're good.

[Francis]

We don't see them.

[Sass]

Yeah, they see me multiple times a week for hours at a time. It's more than I see most people.

[Francis]

I would say it's a coin flip if we're going to see you.

[Frankie]

And that's also at work. Yeah.

[Sass]

Were we hanging out a lot before that?

[Francis]

Yeah, we were trying to. You and I used to play pool like twice a week.

[Sass]

You talk about this. This was five years ago.

[Francis]

I miss those days.

[Frankie]

Pool halls. Yeah. Cuz you not Adam.

[Big Cat]

I don't see.

[Sass]

I'm not getting any invites to any pool halls.

[Big Cat]

Do you have any relationships in your life that is like. Like everyone with you where we just want to be your friend and you just push us off? Like, is there. Do you have a friend who's like, you're trying to hang out with and they're like, nah.

[Sass]

Like, do I have friends that are like that?

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Sass]

Yeah, definitely.

[Big Cat]

To push you off.

[Frankie]

Yeah.

[Sass]

But not in, like, I guess in the same way that I do to them where it's not like a disrespect thing.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Sass]

I don't like you.

[Big Cat]

I would just love it if, like, Sass had, like, a friend. He's a white. Yeah, yeah, exactly. To hang out with.

[Francis]

They just turn into. It's like a. It becomes like a withdrawal off.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Francis]

And then they don't talk to each other. But more importantly, he.

[Frankie]

He.

[Francis]

His best friend starts reaching me.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Francis]

And he doesn't like it.

[Big Cat]

I was listening to that episode. Bo's texting you.

[Francis]

Yeah.

[Sass]

His name.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, he. Yeah.

[Frankie]

Closed the gap of the triangle. Yeah. He told Sass he's not allowed him too hard about his Birmingham apartment.

[Sass]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

He's a homie hopper, though. He's just taking. Taking friends.

[Francis]

Well, he knows. He knows.

[Sass]

He.

[Francis]

He knows. I'll give him what he doesn't, which is friendship, support, love, book recommendations, outdoor activities, whatever.

[Sass]

I'll tell you what my theory is.

[Frankie]

He.

[Sass]

He never listened to the podcast ever. Right. He was never Listening to it. He knew we would talk about him occasionally, but he wasn't really listening. He got his first, like 9 to 5, started listening. First episode he listened to was the one where we were talking about, I think it's called Birmingham the episode. And then he texted me me and was like, can't say all that stuff. Like, that was too much. Whatever. Now he's listening to every single episode.

[Big Cat]

Listen to this right now.

[Sass]

Yes. I think now he likes hearing us talk about, like, it went from being like, don't talk about me to us not talking about him to him being like, what the.

[Big Cat]

Why aren't they talk about?

[Sass]

Yeah, why are they talking about? And now he's text. Cuz he knows he's going to get on the podcast.

[Big Cat]

Put me on a group chat with him.

[Francis]

I will definitely. He and I talk. I have more text exchanges with him than I do with Harry.

[Sass]

I haven't even told you guys about.

[Frankie]

All right.

[Sass]

Did I tell you about his friend in Birmingham? The son of a boy dad. Listener.

[Francis]

Oh, sorry, I thought you just. You said friends.

[Sass]

After, after that whole episode, he got a bunch of DMS from like people that listen to the podcast being like, I actually live here, like, you know, let's go hang out. He's got this one kid that he hangs out with all the time and they just listen, they just talk about the podcast and like, go, wait, he

[Big Cat]

lives in Birmingham now?

[Sass]

Yeah.

[Francis]

Isn't that amazing?

[Big Cat]

In England?

[Sass]

No, no. Alabama. Alabama.

[Big Cat]

Okay. Because.

[Frankie]

Yeah, but they did just go to Birmingham.

[Big Cat]

All the Birmingham popular.

[Frankie]

Yes.

[Francis]

Amazing how much the world can come together when you just keep your arms open, you know?

[Sass]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

So he's got a. He's got a friend through this podcast.

[Sass]

He's got a friend through the pod.

[Big Cat]

Listen, people are just looking for community. Yeah.

[Sass]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

That's really what they are.

[Sass]

Sounds like a good guy.

[Big Cat]

So are they doing like son of a boy dad meetups down there?

[Sass]

Pretty much, yeah.

[Frankie]

They just get together and listen in silence. They just sit knee to knee with each other and listen to the.

[Big Cat]

What's that guy's name? We gotta start mentioning him.

[Sass]

His name'. Joe.

[Big Cat]

Joe.

[Frankie]

Joe and Joe.

[Sass]

Yeah, Joe's the man. Great guy.

[Big Cat]

Shout out Joe.

[Sass]

They go on like, fishing trips together.

[Big Cat]

Joe and Bo Fishing charters.

[Sass]

They were up in like, Nor, Tennessee yesterday. They drove up.

[Big Cat]

Oh, they're traveling together.

[Frankie]

I wonder what they listen to on the way.

[Sass]

Son of a boy dad.

[Frankie]

Of course. Hopefully they listen to some classics.

[Francis]

Son of a bojo.

[Sass]

I don't think.

[Big Cat]

Are they sexual?

[Sass]

You don't know. You never know, right? I mean, new friends. I gotta. I mean, I'm gonna have to meet this guy, you know, make sure nothing funny's going on him.

[Frankie]

You gotta vet him. Yeah.

[Sass]

You guys aren't. Are you?

[Francis]

Do you know that this made me think of this Lincoln. Right. So the reason that there are rumors that Lincoln was homosexual.

[Big Cat]

Cuz his wife was a. Right.

[Francis]

No. Well, she was insane. Yeah. But more because when he was a lawyer, before he was a politician, they used to do the circuit court. They would run the circuit as lawyers and they would just like go to different towns and whatever in Illinois. And he'd be traveling with other young lawyers. And it was completely customary to share a bed in a boarding house.

[Big Cat]

Oh.

[Francis]

And so he would constantly be in like a queen bed with another man.

[Frankie]

A queen bed spelled with a K. You know what?

[Big Cat]

This I never knew. You probably know this, Francis, that like Kennedy had a. A gay best friend who just lusted after him for his entire life.

[Frankie]

Oh my God. That probably was so nice for Kennedy

[Big Cat]

to just have somebody like he was inner circle like Kennedy. But like, they went to boarding school together. And I think he like, professed his love to JFK when they're in boarding school. And JFK was like, nah, dude, you

[Frankie]

can suck me off, but it's not.

[Big Cat]

I love slamming chips, but you can hang out with me. And then he just like, was part of, you know, the presidential campaigns. And I think he was even part of like, his trust after.

[Frankie]

It's not gay if I don't come.

[Big Cat]

I mean, JFK being like, I get migraines if I don't come. What a pickup did that?

[Frankie]

Is that what he said?

[Big Cat]

Yeah, he said that's chicks be like, if I don't get off. Like you're going to. The world is at stake.

[Sass]

Migraines love Brandon specifically.

[Big Cat]

They.

[Sass]

They treat it like they're going through war.

[Big Cat]

Brandon's migraines are just. He just doesn't drink water.

[Sass]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

If he drinks one, like, if I'm

[Sass]

out in the sun for too long, I get a head. It's like, yeah, everyone on earth gets.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, right, right. If I'm standing for too long, I get tired.

[Frankie]

Yeah. Migraines, man.

[Francis]

I'll tell you, having like 16 drinks in a night, I'll get a migraine.

[Frankie]

Always after you're hungover.

[Big Cat]

Brandon went to the doctor and the doctor prescribed him water.

[Sass]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

They were like, here's a cup of water. Drink that. He's like, wow, it's a miracle Truck is.

[Sass]

Is ch.

[Francis]

More of those back there.

[Sass]

Is Che drinking at all or is he still.

[Big Cat]

Is he still wagging? I think he's. He drinks a little bit.

[Sass]

I know he had that. Yeah.

[Big Cat]

A heart attack.

[Sass]

He had a heart attack

[Frankie]

like during

[Sass]

the case race, right?

[Big Cat]

Yeah, he didn't actually have a. So he, we. We did the case race. He drank 16 drinks, fell asleep on the basketball court. Were you in that case race? Yeah, fell asleep on the basketball court, woke up the next day and like, I think his apple watch was like. Irregular heartbeat. Yeah.

[Frankie]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

Went to the hospital. It was like I had a heart attack. And they're like, I think you just are really drunk and have anxiety.

[Frankie]

Yeah.

[Sass]

Relatable waking up on a basketball court and then wondering why your heart's racing.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. Probably like with like sting.

[Frankie]

Face pain.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, yeah.

[Frankie]

Poorly washed off face paint. It's worse than actually having the face paint on. Just like trying to get shadow of face pain around your eyes would be

[Sass]

like going into like doing the case race and then going to the bathroom and then cat, you're like, oh my God, I forgot I had that on. Yeah, like seeing the joker.

[Big Cat]

Oh yeah.

[Sass]

You're like, oh God.

[Big Cat]

Do you guys get routines, physicals?

[Sass]

Like I do like pro. I probably do.

[Big Cat]

Well, no, that's a. It's a pretty straightforward. Yes.

[Sass]

You get one you like once a year, right?

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Sass]

So yeah. Like I, I don't. The thing is I never want to.

[Frankie]

I probably get routine.

[Sass]

My doctor, when I call to get prescriptions filled, they make me get the. If I haven't got it before they fill the prescription. So I gotta go in.

[Big Cat]

I started doing this. You might do this, Francis. The skin. The skin.

[Francis]

I've been doing that.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Francis]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

But that's crazy.

[Francis]

I know. Because that's the most. That's the most revealing and vulnerable you'll ever be.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. And they just, they look at every piece of your skin to like. And you're supposed to do it every year. My wife made me do this and then they, they credit car card swiped me. She opened up my ass cheeks.

[Frankie]

Oh, dude. I used to have to do this as a little kid cuz I had like some, some weird moles that they got that I took off. And so I'd have to go in every year and show all my moles. And I have a. I have a mole on the back of my ball sack. So they get done checking me and every time that they leave, I. I'd have to be like, I actually have a mole on my ball sack that you also have to check. And I'd have to, like, pull up my ball sack. Like, I was, like, lifting an apron. Like, spray.

[Sass]

Not done yet.

[Frankie]

We thought you were done. My little boy ball sack is down here, Doc.

[Big Cat]

I. I had that. I. I didn't. I had a lapse in physicals probably for about 15 years. I went back for the first time, and the. They were like, you know, you go in, the nurse takes your weight, height, all that stuff. And then she's like, all right, you can get changed. I got naked. And then the doctor came in and was like, what?

[Frankie]

He's like, oh. From part of my take, are you fully naked?

[Francis]

Yes.

[Big Cat]

And he's like. And he closed the door. He's like, oh, I'm sorry. And then I realized they had left me a robe. And I was like, God damn it. So bad.

[Frankie]

With your feet. Kicking your feet so bad.

[Big Cat]

And then I'm at the age 2 now, where my physical, like, they asked, like, how many drinks I have a week, and I don't really drink anymore.

[Sass]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

And I started just like.

[Francis]

He.

[Big Cat]

It was like, yeah, I don't really drink. And then I was like. But, like, I did. I used to and, like, do coke and mush and, like, just started, like, basically just being like, I'm not a loser, dude. And my doctor was just like, I'm a doctor. What are you telling me?

[Frankie]

What are you trying to prove? Showing them old pictures?

[Francis]

Yeah, I was gonna say, look how old up I am here. Yeah.

[Big Cat]

Dude, check this out. Look at my eyes.

[Sass]

I'm clearly up in this photo. You can tell.

[Big Cat]

Oh, but yeah. Yeah.

[Frankie]

I mean, I did the pre novo scan. Oh, the full body scan. Full body mri, and I mean, every clean bill of health, so.

[Sass]

Love that.

[Big Cat]

Those are. Those are private, though, right?

[Frankie]

Yeah, it's private. You have to pay a grip of money for it. It's basically like, you pay because you want to make sure that everything's good. And then for the two weeks beforehand and the week before you get your results, you convince yourself that everything is wrong. You have, like, terrible cancer or whatever, and you get it. And they're like, you're fine.

[Sass]

What I'd be looking for new, I'd be like, this is. This wasn't there when I did this.

[Big Cat]

What a business model, though. Just like, to just. Hypochondriacs.

[Frankie]

Yes. Everybody in there is, like, clearly hypochondriac. It's like, yeah, you're all just nervous and have expendable cash.

[Sass]

100 completely healthy people.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. And everyone. Everyone thinks that they have like, I went to my doctor, doctor, and I was like, I had just convinced myself I was just tired and I was like, I need testosterone. He's like, all right, well, we'll test it. And then I tested, and he was like, you have just totally normal testosterone. I was like, God damn it.

[Frankie]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

He's like, yeah, pretty much everyone comes in here asking for that. He's like, they. They watch like a Huberman podcast or Joe Rogan podcast. They think it's a miracle drug. And I'm like, God damn it.

[Sass]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

This is what real medicine is. Versus.

[Frankie]

Yeah, I just thought I could get prescribed it just by asking.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, yeah.

[Frankie]

Lately, drug seeking behavior.

[Sass]

Yeah, let's pump some hormones into me.

[Frankie]

We're at an hour or we're at well over an hour.

[Big Cat]

You guys just cut it off. Why don't you give people a little more sass? I'm.

[Sass]

Look at me. I'm ready to go. I'll go for hours. No, no, stopwatch here.

[Big Cat]

I always get bummed out when you guys cut it. But no, it's. You know, I actually think you guys are smart to do that and also to not. Not have guests every single time.

[Sass]

Yeah, yeah.

[Big Cat]

Like, I. I wish. Pardon my take. Like, we didn't always have. Like, we didn't establish that, but you

[Sass]

guys get like, kind of like the best of both worlds where you get to like, still do like your guys own without.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, I know, but like, sometimes it's like, man, I wish we could just,

[Sass]

you know, like two and a half hours, just you guys.

[Francis]

Or.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, like an hour and a half and just.

[Sass]

Yeah.

[Frankie]

Or you didn't need to get a guest that week. We like, oh, we don't have to find someone.

[Big Cat]

Right?

[Frankie]

Yeah, that's a different.

[Big Cat]

Asking people to come on your podcast is the worst thing in the world.

[Sass]

It sucks.

[Frankie]

People don't realize that. It's like a different. Like, there's different styles of podcasting where it's like, I. I didn't even get it at first. When we first would have people on Son of a Boy, Dad. I like, I think I thought that we were interviewing them.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. You guys interview show, right?

[Frankie]

It's not an interview. It's not an interview. Like, our first time we had Shane Gillis on, we were. I think I was like, so what was it like when you were first on snl?

[Sass]

Like, yeah, we were asking the same questions that he. Everyone asked, but it's like, it's not

[Frankie]

what it should be. And it's like a different style and and you guys pretty seamlessly go back and forth within the styles on one episode.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. Yeah. And it's also, like, that's when you have. When you have guests that you know and they come back. That's. Those are the best interviews. You don't have to interview. Yeah.

[Sass]

And they understand, like, how it's going to go. We always got to, like, every time we got a guest, like, halfway through the episode, we got to be like, this is it, by the way.

[Frankie]

Yeah.

[Sass]

Like, this is.

[Frankie]

There's not going to be like, a.

[Sass]

Yeah, we're not going to surprise you about.

[Francis]

Yeah, we don't care about you at all. We're just tired.

[Big Cat]

Needed someone to put on the thumbnail, actually, if you don't even want to be on the episode. But are you okay with the thumbnail? We're fine with that, too.

[Francis]

Yeah. We just have. We have a week coming up where we're not all gonna be here. So that's why you're here.

[Big Cat]

You guys are doing, what, like six episodes this week?

[Sass]

Something like that? Pretty much. We're done with two now, so here we go.

[Big Cat]

And then we got Fruit and Big John Gruden.

[Sass]

Yeah, exactly.

[Francis]

JG Mellon making kb.

[Sass]

We had Jerry and Mooc on Compton

[Frankie]

just texted me back. Back. Yeah.

[Sass]

Tell him he's out.

[Frankie]

He's out.

[Sass]

He's done. He had his chance.

[Frankie]

He said, since I didn't hear from you, I figured we weren't hitting the pod, which is my fault because I asked him, and then he asked and I said, let me ask you guys. And then Sass didn't answer, and so I didn't answer.

[Francis]

Will see what you see what you do.

[Frankie]

You were the domino. I'm going to go ahead and blame you on this one.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Frankie]

Son of a boy, dad.

[Sass]

Son of a boy, dad. Big cat. Thank you for joining.

[Big Cat]

Yes, thank you, boys. Love the show.

[Francis]

You can find him on another podcast. Podcaster.

[Sass]

All right, we'll be back next week. Goodbye.

[Big Cat]

Thanks, boys.