Thousands of Cows | Son of a Boy Dad #348

Summary

Son of a Boy Dad #348 – "Thousands of Cows"

Date: October 30, 2025
Host: Barstool Sports
Main Guests/Participants: Lil Sasquatch (Sass), Rone, Francis Ellis

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Episode Overview

This episode weaves through a series of light-hearted, humorous, and reflective discussions about everyday life, masculinity, personal quirks, and larger existential questions. The show transitions from comedic banter about clothing habits and food, to deeper moments about connection, loss, and legacy. The centerpiece is a heartfelt tribute to Barstool’s colleague “Beef,” who recently passed away, displaying the show’s characteristic blend of levity and sincerity.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Clothing, Minimalism & Optical Illusions

• Layering & Re-wearing Clothes: The hosts debate if and how often they’ll wear the same clothes two days straight. Sass denies ever truly repeating, citing a “metaphysical” difference—what you see isn’t always what you get.
• Minimalism Trend: Francis and the guys riff about minimalists, those who live owning a single pair of pants, paralleling it with the fleeting 2012 bacon fandom (06:00).
• Heat & Movie Quotes: They spiral into a playful confusion about classic Al Pacino movies and the art of carrying away at least one quotable line (04:07).

“On the outside, it may appear that I'm wearing the same clothes, but I know...the atoms have rearranged.” – Hoopa (02:32)

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2. Food: Bacon, Exotic Meats & Alligators

• Bacon Backlash: Consensus is that bacon is overrated beyond breakfast, with Francis dropping, “Bacon's out in a big way.” (06:11)
• Alligator & Novelty Foods: Hoopa finds a 25lb alligator stuffed with crab cakes and wrapped in bacon—everyone recoils. The universal “tastes like chicken” dismissal is met with comic skepticism.

“I'll eat a chicken if I want to taste chicken. I don't need to eat a hippopotamus.” – Unk (07:40)

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3. Psychedelic Cow Encounters & the Nature of Animals

• Mushrooms Among the Cows: Hoopa describes a transcendent cow encounter under mushrooms; Sass one-ups him with a Wyoming cattle drive story featuring "thousands of cows" (09:35), bulls “the size of a tank,” and the surreal chaos of farm life.
• Cows’ Emotional Intelligence: Discussion about cows being emotionally complex creatures, especially when listening to music, drawing a spiritual-reverent undertone (08:48).

“Cows have so much intelligence and emotional intelligence. That's why they're so damn tasty.” – Francis Ellis (09:01)

“I probably walked...I think I walked a lot more cows than you.” – Unk (09:26)

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4. City Life, Changing Vibes, and the Darkness of Winter

• Seasonal Affective Disorder: Banter about New York’s winter turning oppressive, and even “scaffolding” removal leading to new street energy (10:21).
• Defensive Memory & Gaslighting: Hoopa recounts Sass’s habit of revising conversations, leading to a hilarious gaslighting roundtable, and a discussion on the origins of the term from a classic play (13:49, 14:07).

“Everyone knows that when you accuse someone of gaslighting, the first person to say it wins!” – Hoopa (12:42)

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5. Heartfelt Tribute: Remembering “Beef”

A centerpiece of the episode (22:00 – 32:00).

• The group mourns the passing of their friend and colleague, Beef, sharing stories from golf trip adventures to his unexpected leadership and etiquette.
• Beef’s Strength & Kindness: Rone offers a vivid recollection of Beef’s perseverance on a mountainous golf course, emphasizing his kindness and ability to set the tone—be it with a “double Jack and Coke” order or making everyone comfortable.
• Generosity & Camaraderie: Beef becomes the unofficial chauffeur, driving everyone around in his utility cart, making the tough trip more enjoyable.
• Legacy of Gentleness: The tribute is rich with personal anecdotes; Beef’s formal manners and habit of doffing his cap become emblematic. The group agrees he was truly “a man of manners and etiquette—a gentleman, big time” (27:38).

“He was just a man of manners and etiquette...he had this, like, debonair quality that felt so out of time.” – Hoopa (27:45)

“He would doff his cap every time he met someone...funniest but also perfect encapsulation.” – Francis Ellis (27:58)

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6. Gambling, God, and Behavioral Patterns

• Sass’s Winning Streak: Sass boasts about lucky touchdown bets but acknowledges Jerry (another Barstool regular) as the real “sprinkler” with his wild parlays (16:15 – 18:04).
• Debates about Gambling Ethics: The amount spent per bet and the motivations behind high-stakes play transitions to debating whether God or gambling provides more adrenaline.

“His next pivot has to be between twelve hundred dollar parlays and God.” – Francis Ellis (18:35)

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7. AI, Deepfakes, and Modern Technology Concerns

• Rise of Deepfake Tech: The rapid, democratized advance of video AI is discussed, especially its unsettling implications—“you used to need all day; now anyone can make a deepfake in minutes” (35:00 – 36:10).
• Sam Altman Discourse: Opinions on AI pioneer Sam Altman volley between indifference and the joking (but pointed) speculation of whether he’s a “scumbag pig” who had someone killed (41:27).

“All we've seen is just like shitty Photoshops. It's not curing cancer.” – Unk (36:25)

“Abandoned ethics, like, fly ahead and let's frame Martin Luther King.” – Francis Ellis (35:10)

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8. Fish Stories and Travel Plans

• New Zealand Fly Fishing: Hoopa outlines plans for challenging, guided fly fishing in New Zealand—waters that are clear and treacherous, with fish that are wild and elusive (48:51).
• Upcoming Upstate Trip: The group plans a retreat upstate for work and fishing on November 5th, with plenty of good-natured ribbing about family, obligations, and doing comedy for each other (50:49).

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9. Tangents: Anime, Ostrich Myths, Historical Crushes

• Anime Demographics: Sass jokes about which demographics are most obsessed with anime (“Black bros love anime” – 56:29).
• Ostriches & Chickens: Extended debate about whether ostriches can jump or fly; Sass is adamant they can, but is roundly refuted—ostriches are “ground bound” (54:25).
• Crush on Kate Chase: Hoopa confesses newfound fascination with 19th-century socialite Kate Chase, sparking jokes about old historical figures as the “original influencers” (56:58 – 59:32).

“She was the first one to have a little bit of an ostrich to make being lean fashionable.” – Hoopa (57:32)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments (with Timestamps)

• On animal intelligence:
  “Rabbits are cute but dumb as hell. Cows are cute but smart.” – Francis Ellis (08:28)

• On gaslighting:
  “That’s called a mistake, not gaslighting.” – Unk (12:47)
  “When you accuse someone of gaslighting, the first person to say it wins!” – Hoopa (12:42)

• On “Beef”:
  “He was a formal guy. He had this debonair quality that felt so out of time.” – Hoopa (27:45)
  “He would doff his cap every time he met someone...funniest but also perfect encapsulation.” – Francis Ellis (27:58)

• On old movies and aging:
  “You are going to be unc before you know it, bro.” – Francis Ellis to Sass (33:02)

• On AI and deepfakes:
  “It’s not like it’s beautifying the world—abandoned ethics, let’s frame Martin Luther King.” – Francis Ellis (35:10)

• On losing loved ones:
  “He snuck up on me. He just found his way into my heart, and I was very fond of him.” – Hoopa [on Beef] (26:14)

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Important Segments & Timestamps

• Minimalism, clothes & Heat (movie) riffs: 00:12–06:00
• Bacon, alligator & food tangents: 06:11–08:00
• Psychedelic cow stories: 09:00–10:10
• Seasonal affect weather/Vibes in NYC: 10:45–13:10
• Gaslighting banter & term origins: 12:20–14:20
• Remembering Beef – heartfelt tribute: 22:00–32:00
• Gambling & behavioral patterns: 16:15–20:00
• AI/deepfake concern discussion: 35:00–36:50
• Ostriches & chicken flight debate: 54:00–55:50
• Crush on historic figure Kate Chase: 56:58–59:32

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Tone & Language

The episode maintains the Sarcastic, self-aware, and openly reflective tone typical of Barstool Sports. The hosts blend insightful commentary with irreverence, never letting sentiment steal the fun or letting jokes crowd out genuine emotion, especially during their candid tribute to Beef.

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Conclusion

Episode #348 is a quintessential “Son of a Boy Dad” blend: meandering yet focused, switching skillfully between bro banter, comedic bits, and genuine reflections on connection, loss, and the absurdity of modern life. Whether they’re discussing the metaphysics of re-wearing socks or paying homage to a lost friend, the show stays true to its blend of wit, warmth, and unpredictability, making it rewarding for both newcomers and regular listeners alike.

Transcript

[Francis Ellis]

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[Unk]

All right, ready?

[Francis Ellis]

All right. I have nothing to talk about.

[Unk]

Alrighty. Welcome back to the Son of a Boy dad podcast. Today, it's October 28th. It is 12:30pm and we are here live from HQ3.

[Francis Ellis]

This cup of whatever's in it costs 9.88.

[Unk]

That's steep. That's in it.

[Francis Ellis]

Insane.

[Unk]

What's in it?

[Hoopa]

Soup.

[Francis Ellis]

It's a chai. It's a chai latte with almond milk.

[Hoopa]

Wow. I've been making coffee. I've been making my own coffee now for a couple years and I'll tell you what I'm saving. I'm saving enough money to put my kids.

[Unk]

To buy a coffee maker.

[Francis Ellis]

Yeah. To buy an outfit that looks like you're in stage crew. I'm sorry.

[Hoopa]

I'm sorry. I did.

[Unk]

Oh, no.

[Hoopa]

How's that?

[Francis Ellis]

Are you sure? He's kind of low over there.

[Hoopa]

Okay, we're good.

[Unk]

Bastard.

[Francis Ellis]

I'm sorry. I didn't mean it.

[Hoopa]

No, that's okay.

[Francis Ellis]

All black is good. All black is becoming.

[Hoopa]

Well, you know, my problem is that I was wearing a sweater and that looked nice. Black sweater. And I can't wear a sweater inside. I immediately start getting hot. It could be made of cooling gel and I'd still get too hot from it.

[Unk]

Yeah, you smell good.

[Hoopa]

Don't say. Yeah, you're wearing a fucking. You could go summit Everest in what you're wearing right now.

[Unk]

Surprisingly, this is actually not that warm.

[Hoopa]

I don't believe you. Even that hoodie would be too much for me. And then you have two T shirts on under that.

[Unk]

I don't.

[Francis Ellis]

It's one of those optical illusion T shirts.

[Unk]

My optical illusion shirt.

[Francis Ellis]

Like two shirts. But still, that is a lot of. I'm wearing the same shirt, the exact.

[Unk]

Same thing that you're wearing right now.

[Hoopa]

It's close.

[Francis Ellis]

Yeah. The same amount of layers, but this is a thin, thin shirt.

[Hoopa]

No, you're right. And Ron's is. Yeah. You're wearing outerwear inner inside.

[Unk]

Yeah, I can't argue with that.

[Hoopa]

Also, didn't you wear that yesterday?

[Unk]

Pretty much. Word for word. Bar for bar, Bar for bar.

[Hoopa]

So how does that happen? You don't ever feel like I don't have the same clothes from yesterday? Makes you feel a little stale.

[Unk]

No, because it's not like. I know deep down. It's not actually the same clothes.

[Hoopa]

You know, deep down. Like, I know like a metaphysical like.

[Unk]

On the outside, it may appear that I'm wearing the same clothes, but I know I've got, like.

[Francis Ellis]

It's like how you can't step in the same room. I've got different baselines.

[Hoopa]

When you consider the atomic structure of clothing from one day to the next, frankly, the atoms have rearranged.

[Unk]

Well, because, like, when you think of, like, wearing the same clothes, what do you think of? You think of socks?

[Hoopa]

No, I think any article of clothing except for a jacket touching my skin. Yeah, I'm sweating.

[Unk]

What about pants? You won't wear pants two days in a row.

[Hoopa]

I could wear pants the same two days in a row for sure.

[Francis Ellis]

But you don't.

[Hoopa]

But I wouldn't wear the same underwear.

[Unk]

But we wouldn't know socks.

[Hoopa]

And I certainly wouldn't wear the same T shirt.

[Francis Ellis]

I've never seen Frances wear the same pants two days in a row.

[Hoopa]

When I travel on short trips, like for a weekend or a long weekend, I'll probably wear the same pants every day because I like to pack as lightly as I can. And I'll go in a backpack if I can.

[Unk]

Yeah, yeah. No, I mean, I. I like the winter because it's. You just throw a jacket on, you know, for the fall. Fall slash winter. Like, I feel like I worry a lot more about it during, like, the spring and the summer.

[Francis Ellis]

You ever watch videos of these minimalists who were, like. Who only have one pair of pants and they can, like, bring everything that they own anywhere that they go?

[Unk]

It's like Heat. Gotta be willing. Gotta be willing to get. What do they say in Heat means? Like, you gotta be willing to turn the corner when Heat's coming, Leave everything behind.

[Francis Ellis]

Al Paidino.

[Unk]

Yeah.

[Francis Ellis]

Oh, my God.

[Unk]

You guys never seen Heat?

[Hoopa]

I've seen Heat. Not enough to know the quotes.

[Unk]

I've only seen it once.

[Hoopa]

Well, you were paying attention.

[Unk]

I was?

[Hoopa]

You were. You had the script and were reading along as you. You basically watched Heat the way that Clemmer watches a baseball game.

[Unk]

I'm like, how? How?

[Francis Ellis]

The scorecard.

[Hoopa]

Keeping the box core.

[Unk]

Every time I watch an Al Pacino movie, I try to make sure I have at least one. One quote to walk away from. That I can. That I can then go tell people.

[Francis Ellis]

Is that your one, or did you have another one from Heat?

[Unk]

Now, I don't really remember the exact quote, but I just remember that he talks about. Remember they had the dinner.

[Francis Ellis]

Like I've ever seen Heat.

[Unk]

Really?

[Francis Ellis]

Is it about a bad cop or is that Serpico? That's Serpico.

[Hoopa]

Serpico Heat is Dairo Pacino classic.

[Unk]

It's probably the best.

[Hoopa]

Val Kilmer is really good in it too. They're bank robbers.

[Unk]

No.

[Francis Ellis]

Oh, that's Dog Day Afternoon.

[Hoopa]

Oh, what am I talking about?

[Unk]

I don't know.

[Hoopa]

But they rob a bank.

[Unk]

No. Pacino plays the cop. A cop.

[Hoopa]

And De Niro is part of a group of like bank robbers and robbers.

[Unk]

Do they rob a bank?

[Hoopa]

Am I crazy?

[Francis Ellis]

So you didn't see. You haven't seen.

[Hoopa]

Don't they go to the scene in downtown LA? They like go in when they have the AR15s and stuff like that.

[Unk]

Now I'm thinking of the town.

[Hoopa]

They rob a bank.

[Unk]

Interesting.

[Francis Ellis]

Now I'm thinking of Point Break.

[Hoopa]

Wow. You know the words of the movie but can't remember the plot.

[Unk]

I've never seen it. No, I've kidding.

[Francis Ellis]

Just went to the IMDb page and read the famous quote from Straight Quotes from Heat.

[Hoopa]

It's like that famous quote from Heat. No banks here.

[Francis Ellis]

I would never rob a bank personally.

[Hoopa]

We're not going to touch the banks for the next hour and a half.

[Francis Ellis]

Yeah. The minimalists. I feel like that was like a big trend when like bacon was a big trend.

[Unk]

Oh, yeah.

[Francis Ellis]

You know what I mean? Like people in like 2012 were like super into minimalism.

[Unk]

Bacon's out in a big way.

[Hoopa]

Yeah.

[Francis Ellis]

I was about to say something nasty about bacon, but it's that it was never. I would. It was never should have been in. I could never should have got the bacon in.

[Unk]

Bacon with breakfast. 10 out of 10 bacon. Any other time of the day, 5 out of 10.

[Hoopa]

Okay. I don't know. I'm not a big bacon guy, but I saw something yesterday. I was looking up things that I could eat for lunch at work.

[Unk]

Yeah.

[Hoopa]

And I looked up how to order an alligator.

[Unk]

Okay.

[Hoopa]

To eat.

[Unk]

Yeah.

[Hoopa]

And I found a store in Louisiana that will sell you a 25 pound alligator that is wrapped in bacon. Oh. And then stuffed with crab cakes.

[Unk]

Oh, that is so bad. That should be illegal.

[Hoopa]

And the way they present it, they keep the like armory skin on for the head.

[Unk]

Yeah.

[Hoopa]

And then it's just the meat through the body.

[Unk]

Yeah.

[Hoopa]

It looked like the most revolting thing. I want to show. I'll find it. I'll show you.

[Francis Ellis]

Have you had gator?

[Hoopa]

I have.

[Francis Ellis]

Did you like it?

[Hoopa]

It's not bad. Tastes like chicken.

[Francis Ellis]

Usually it's like deep fried and it's like balled up and it's not. Not great. But I. We had it sauteed the last time we were In Louisiana. And it was like a revelation.

[Hoopa]

Yep.

[Unk]

I hate any meat that is described as. It tastes like chicken. That's not chicken. Because then you're just like.

[Hoopa]

What about rabbit? Rabbit tastes like chicken, but it's really good.

[Unk]

Nasty.

[Hoopa]

Come on. You wouldn't eat a rabbit. No, rabbit's great.

[Unk]

I'll eat a chicken if I want to taste chicken. I don't need to eat. Need to eat a hippopotamus. I'm fine with just chicken.

[Francis Ellis]

Rabbit's perfect. Rabbits. Rabbits are cuddly but like stupid.

[Unk]

What about rabbits also just die? You know, rabbits just die out of.

[Francis Ellis]

Fright all the time. Yeah, they just like.

[Unk]

You could they just turn a corner and just die? Yeah, because they just get scared.

[Hoopa]

Really.

[Unk]

Just. They just get scared super easily and just die.

[Francis Ellis]

They also pass out too. Pass out alive just because they're. They're so spookable.

[Hoopa]

Yeah. Not a. Not a particularly evolved species, perhaps, but so damn cute.

[Unk]

Like.

[Francis Ellis]

Like, cows are cute but smart. Rabbits are cute but dumb as hell.

[Unk]

Are cows smart?

[Francis Ellis]

Super smart and like very emotionally intelligent. Have you ever looked into a cow's eye?

[Unk]

Well, I know that they're very emotionally intelligent. They have to have a friend.

[Francis Ellis]

Have you ever gone. Have you ever gone forehead to forehead with a cow?

[Unk]

No, I can't say I have.

[Francis Ellis]

Have you ever seen cows listen to a troubadour or someone playing. Oh, yeah, trumpet or something like that? Saxophone or playing with bouncy ball?

[Unk]

Oh, yeah.

[Francis Ellis]

Cows have so much intelligence and emotional intelligence. That's why they're so damn tasty.

[Hoopa]

One time I took mushrooms and I went under the electrified fence of a farmer's pasture and walked among the cows and it was a transcendent experience.

[Unk]

Last year I walked him on the cows.

[Hoopa]

Nothing, nothing on that. You want to just shift it because that was a pretty, you know, big admission from me.

[Unk]

I know. And then I was going to just come in and say, I probably walked. I think I walked a lot more cows than you.

[Hoopa]

Okay, great. Let's compete.

[Unk]

I was going to compete.

[Hoopa]

Tell me about your cow experience.

[Unk]

Thousands where in Wyoming, we, We were walking to the river and we had to cut through this person's farm.

[Hoopa]

Yeah.

[Unk]

And there was a. There was a. Like a cattle trade that went down while we were walking through. 18 wheelers start pulling up and just thousands of cows are just getting off and just running around.

[Francis Ellis]

Was it nice?

[Unk]

It's horrifying.

[Francis Ellis]

Were there any longhorns? Was there any bulls? Yeah, so there were bulls too.

[Unk]

Big ass, fucking like the size of a tank.

[Francis Ellis]

I mean, the bulls will kill you.

[Unk]

Yeah.

[Hoopa]

Why don't you take your coat off now?

[Francis Ellis]

Stay a while.

[Unk]

Why would I do that?

[Hoopa]

You're making me hot.

[Unk]

It's actually, like, not too bad in here. It's a little chilly, almost. No, it's not.

[Guest or Background Vocalist]

What?

[Francis Ellis]

Did you have any revelations? I feel like I was talking about that this weekend. That cows are like a couple magic mushrooms away from being able to talk to us.

[Hoopa]

Yeah. I definitely felt as though there was some communication, and those are definitely the moments where I'm like, I should not be living in a city.

[Unk]

Oh, yeah, of course.

[Hoopa]

It wears off, and you're like, all right, back to, you know, ordering seamless.

[Unk]

Yeah.

[Hoopa]

Can't wait for my pasta to arrive.

[Unk]

Lukewarm right now is the time of year where New York starts getting dark.

[Francis Ellis]

It's bad.

[Unk]

Sad.

[Francis Ellis]

Yeah, it's sad. It's. Or it's just cloudy and. Yeah, like, cloudy and, like, violently cold.

[Unk]

Something about when they got rid of the scaffolding outside of this building. It just brought the vibes around here down a lot.

[Francis Ellis]

I think you're the only person that thinks that.

[Unk]

Really?

[Francis Ellis]

I feel like this scaffolding is.

[Unk]

Oh, I feel like this block's got a whole new energy to it.

[Francis Ellis]

You're saying the homeless. Busy homeless. Everything in general.

[Unk]

Just in general.

[Francis Ellis]

I've never seen someone like scaffolding.

[Unk]

I think the scaffolding sort of protected us for a while.

[Francis Ellis]

Not want to talk about your fucking cows and your mushrooms.

[Hoopa]

That's okay.

[Unk]

You brought it up. Oh, no, I didn't know I brought it up. I brought it up.

[Hoopa]

You. How does that happen? How does that happen?

[Unk]

Still waking up?

[Hoopa]

No, but there are a lot of moments like that where it's a matter of seconds and you have completely rewritten what happened.

[Unk]

It's called defense.

[Hoopa]

Defense.

[Unk]

Yeah. So always got to stay on defense.

[Hoopa]

What was the thing where you. I said San Diego. I watched this clip, like, 10 times to make sure I wasn't wrong, and I said san Diego, and you went, san Diego, you mean? And I was like, what? You're like, well, you said San Francisco. I was like, did I? And I mean, it's there. It's on tape.

[Francis Ellis]

And.

[Hoopa]

And we just accepted your version, I think.

[Unk]

I'm. I don't know. I really. I don't know why I do that. I couldn't tell you.

[Francis Ellis]

Is it because, like. I mean, that is what gaslighting is?

[Unk]

I think it's. Well, no, that is not what gaslighting is.

[Hoopa]

And now you're doing it Again, it is.

[Unk]

No, that's gaslighting.

[Hoopa]

You're convincing me that my version of events which.

[Unk]

You're gaslighting me.

[Hoopa]

Oh, get the out of here. Everyone knows that when you accuse someone of gaslighting, the first person to say it wins. Yeah, yeah.

[Unk]

You can't. You can gaslight whoever spit it, lit it.

[Hoopa]

That.

[Francis Ellis]

That's called.

[Unk]

That's called a mistake, not gaslighting.

[Francis Ellis]

When you try to convince the person that's the lighting of the gas.

[Hoopa]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Francis Ellis]

When you just make the mistake.

[Unk]

You're the king of lighting the gas. Well, no, no, you're always lighting the gas.

[Francis Ellis]

I start fires. I don't like gas.

[Unk]

You like gas. You're fucking arson. You have a problem with arson. You have an addiction to arson.

[Hoopa]

An arsonist.

[Unk]

Yeah, that's not true.

[Francis Ellis]

That's not true. I do like a small fire from time to time, but that's just. It keeps me warm in the wintry months. There's nothing about that. I just want to. I mean, I feel like you, like, had something to do with him walking with the cows and the mushrooms or something like that, and you're trying to, like, get away from it as fast as possible. Like you were one of the cows or you gave him bad mushrooms or there's something that you're trying to sweep under the rug here.

[Unk]

No, you got me mixed up with someone else. I won't be gaslighted any further.

[Francis Ellis]

It is nice to get in that argument.

[Hoopa]

That story of the original, of where that term came from is an interesting one.

[Unk]

Of what? Gaslight.

[Hoopa]

Gaslighting, where that term comes from, it's.

[Francis Ellis]

Like a play, right?

[Hoopa]

It's a husband and a wife, and he's perpetually turning down the lights or something. The gas light lamps, and convincing her that it's not getting darker and that she's just imagining it. But meanwhile, he's actually doing it to drive her crazy.

[Unk]

Yeah, well, was she dumb as hell?

[Hoopa]

I feel like I'm 65 of that.

[Francis Ellis]

No, you are right there.

[Hoopa]

It's there. Right.

[Francis Ellis]

But there might have been, like, some further nefarious intent that he had.

[Hoopa]

Yeah, yeah, I'm sure there was.

[Unk]

I mean, that feels like a pretty easy one to, like, avoid or to, like, be like. Yeah, no, it's pitch black in here. I'm not dumb.

[Francis Ellis]

It was from when women weren't allowed to fucking voice their opinions.

[Unk]

Yeah, I guess.

[Francis Ellis]

No, okay. I guess you're right.

[Unk]

It is just bumping into things, which is weird.

[Francis Ellis]

You're losing it, honey. Off to the home with you. We're going to need to submit you to a sanatorium.

[Unk]

Dude.

[Hoopa]

I.

[Unk]

Will touch on it briefly because I feel like, you know, people are waiting for me to say something, but I am on a hot streak of a generational streak right now.

[Francis Ellis]

Gambling run.

[Hoopa]

I thought you were gonna, like, remember Beef.

[Unk]

Oh, well, no. Well, yes, but not. Not what I was getting at right then. That wouldn't have been my introduction to beef, but I thought I was like.

[Hoopa]

This is a nice moment. I know. I will touch on it briefly because I know people are expecting me to weigh in. Like, I knew. That's why I thought you were going. No, no.

[Unk]

We can talk about beef, obviously.

[Hoopa]

No, no, no. I'll let you finish, but first.

[Unk]

Well, we could do beef now if we want to talk about that.

[Hoopa]

This is.

[Unk]

Now then get into my.

[Hoopa]

And the irony here is you cut into my cow story. So there's a lot of layers there. A lot of layers of irony.

[Unk]

Yeah. I mean, well, the beef stuff was obviously tragic.

[Hoopa]

We want to hear about your gambling stuff first.

[Unk]

Not that easy of a transition there, but not as easy of a. Not as fluid as of a transition as I would have hoped.

[Francis Ellis]

You are pro, though, so.

[Unk]

But my God, Tucker Craft. Well, Tucker Craft was Sunday night.

[Francis Ellis]

Tucker Craft, first touchdown. Tucker Craft, two touchdowns. Brought you out of the darkness.

[Unk]

Tucker craft. Tucker Craft, two TDs. Travis Kelsey, first TD. Tucker Craft, first TD.

[Francis Ellis]

And then you're a sprinkler.

[Hoopa]

You're really sprinkling, huh?

[Unk]

Not really, to be honest.

[Hoopa]

Those are such random bets.

[Unk]

I actually, surprisingly didn't lose. I lost. I lost three bets last night, but I won. I won't say, because then I guess, yeah, I am a sprinkler. I placed a lot of bets yesterday, but I won on Monday Night Football and Sunday night.

[Francis Ellis]

Yeah, that was Jerry's. I mean, if you're. You've been spending a lot of time with Jerry. He's a sprinkler.

[Unk]

Jerry's a big sprinkler.

[Hoopa]

Jerry's hitting 28, 000 parlays. I don't understand. Like, is he just. I asked him how much his man alive.

[Francis Ellis]

No, but I asked him how much he spends on. So it's like 200 ish dollars a bet. I asked him how much he spends on a Sunday, then he said, like $2500.

[Unk]

Okay, so it's like Jerry told you that.

[Francis Ellis]

Yeah. So it's like 12, 200 parlays.

[Unk]

Yeah, he was lying through his teeth.

[Hoopa]

How many did he tell you?

[Unk]

Jerry's showed me his bets. It's more than 200 a bed.

[Francis Ellis]

I'm saying for the parlays.

[Unk]

Yeah, I'm saying for the parlays too. I don't know. Bet.

[Francis Ellis]

Well then $2500 total of parlays for what?

[Unk]

The 1pm games.

[Hoopa]

I love it.

[Unk]

I don't think Jerry would have any problem talking about that.

[Hoopa]

Well, he told me for jugulars today. I love it.

[Francis Ellis]

He told me one thing and now you're saying that he said another thing. Why wouldn't you let his version of the truth be the version that goes out? And why would you assume that he wouldn't mind saying?

[Unk]

Because he's. He posts his bets all the time. Jerry's. Jerry showed me a bet that he placed on UNC game one of the college season and it was a lot. It would have been a lot of twelve hundred dollars parlays mixed into one straight bet that lost.

[Francis Ellis]

He just needs a big. He needs the adrenaline. The adrenaline is great for him.

[Unk]

Of course. Yeah. He told me it was cracker that.

[Francis Ellis]

I think he's very open about. And this is way better than crack.

[Unk]

Oh, big time.

[Francis Ellis]

But I mean what he really. His next pivot has to be between twelve hundred dollars parlays and God. That has to be.

[Unk]

That's true. God needs to be introduced.

[Francis Ellis]

God has to be the other. The other factor in the parlays. Have you been hitting church time to time.

[Unk]

When was the last time you were in?

[Francis Ellis]

I wasn't in this weekend, but I was in the weekend before.

[Unk]

Really?

[Francis Ellis]

Of course.

[Unk]

You go in Brooklyn?

[Francis Ellis]

Yeah, right up the block for myself. Bvm.

[Unk]

It's great. Great church.

[Francis Ellis]

A great church. They do have an Indian, one of the priests. Indian. And really a little harder to understand. But I pick up everything he's saying. Indian.

[Unk]

Like. Like, like Indian from India.

[Francis Ellis]

No, he's Navajo.

[Hoopa]

When. When would we have used that anymore?

[Unk]

Native American.

[Hoopa]

It's not. You know, I'm not so sure where.

[Unk]

We have people you ever need to.

[Hoopa]

By that from this point on in history, I don't think we ever need to clarify which type of Indian. We're talking a reading from Paul's.

[Unk]

You guys never played like Cowboys and Indians growing up.

[Francis Ellis]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Unk]

And then they now it's.

[Hoopa]

Branded to Native Americans and then they rebranded again to first peoples.

[Francis Ellis]

Well, if you read Howard now they.

[Hoopa]

Are known as HBO Max.

[Francis Ellis]

Howard. Zinn says should call them American Indians.

[Unk]

I like that you guys come into the equation.

[Francis Ellis]

Cuz that's where they were trying to get To. They thought, if we fly this way, if we boat this way, we're going to run into India. We ran into the United States.

[Hoopa]

Yeah. They thought they had landed in India. That's what they were searching for.

[Unk]

Interesting.

[Francis Ellis]

And they're like, these people have the same complexion.

[Unk]

Yeah. Not quite, though.

[Hoopa]

Do you know this?

[Unk]

Probably not.

[Hoopa]

The French word for turkey is dand. D. I think it's D apostrophe I N D E, which means of India.

[Unk]

Really?

[Hoopa]

I N D E is. I think is India. And I think that has to do with the fact that the original Thanksgiving or something, again, was with the eight. Turkey with the native peoples.

[Unk]

Yeah.

[Francis Ellis]

What. What foods are native? What, like, livestock are native to. Because I feel like turkey wasn't native to their. Chicken aren't like. I feel like. I mean, they didn't even have Nando's still, you know, cows, maybe Highland cows. Highland cows. That's a good one.

[Hoopa]

Shetland ponies.

[Unk]

Except I think Highland cows might be from Canada. Am I wrong about.

[Hoopa]

I would have thought Scotland.

[Unk]

Scotland.

[Hoopa]

Yeah. Could be the Highlands of Scotland, maybe.

[Unk]

Probably.

[Hoopa]

Mm. Yeah. There you go.

[Unk]

Spot on.

[Francis Ellis]

Spot on. So, yeah, they're probably just eating duck and, like.

[Unk]

Typical. That's typical.

[Francis Ellis]

Tip of the cap or type of.

[Hoopa]

The atypical for me to be right and you to not immediately try to convince for me to tip it wrong. Tip the cow. Tippable.

[Francis Ellis]

It's very tippy.

[Unk]

That's what they say in the Call of Duty scene.

[Hoopa]

Yeah. You've been using that lately.

[Unk]

Oh, yeah.

[Hoopa]

I like that.

[Unk]

I'm trying to bring the Call of Duty lingo into the real world.

[Hoopa]

As you should. Yeah, yeah.

[Francis Ellis]

But you sound a little uncish, honestly.

[Hoopa]

Okay, quick.

[Unk]

Why saying tippy?

[Hoopa]

Yeah.

[Francis Ellis]

You're just kind of forcing it.

[Hoopa]

A quick. A quick tip and removal of the cap to our. Our pal Beef.

[Unk]

Yes.

[Hoopa]

I just want to tell a story. A quick story about him, which I think, you know, we don't have to go long on this, but we should.

[Francis Ellis]

Say that Beef, member of the Foreplay family, tragically passed away this weekend.

[Hoopa]

That's right. If you don't know that our friend Beef passed away this weekend.

[Francis Ellis]

Barstool employee. The nicest dude ever.

[Hoopa]

Yeah. And it was very sort of upsetting yesterday, and now we're. Now I want to just remember him and I. And I want to share one story because, Beef, we went to Macklemore in Georgia. Northwest Georgia.

[Unk]

I didn't know that.

[Hoopa]

Yeah. And it was me, Beef, Riggs, Frankie, Trent, and Jerry. The six of us went there and they had opened a new golf course that we were to play. And it was a walking only golf course. And it was a hike. It was so mountainous. I mean, truly, you know me, I'm ready for war.

[Francis Ellis]

Of course.

[Hoopa]

Best shape of my life.

[Unk]

Yeah.

[Hoopa]

We walked that course. End of the day, I was like, I can't move, really. I was. My feet were killing me, my joints, everything hurt. I felt like we'd, you know, 18. Yeah, we played just 18 holes, but we walked.

[Unk]

18 is not easy.

[Hoopa]

No, it's not. And it was. It was like every hole would go up a step ladder and then the next one would come down and go back up. I mean, it was really probably the single most arduous walking round of golf I've ever played. And beef, there were no carts. And beef is a, you know, it was a big boy. Yeah, there's no. There's no way around it. And he hung in there, man.

[Unk]

Yeah.

[Hoopa]

I'll tell you what, you know, he. We kept checking in on him and he just slowly but surely made his way along. Didn't hold us back. Never complained once. It's hard to describe how hard this was. And he made it. And it was. I was so impressed that this guy who, you know, he's not the fastest guy, but just slow and steady, made it to the end, had a great time. And then two days later, we had to go back and play it again. Yeah, okay. And we were all like, no, we need to figure something out. And they gave Beef a utility cart. Yeah, like, one that the groundskeepers would use.

[Unk]

Those things fly.

[Hoopa]

They fly. And they gave him one to drive himself around in. And initially, you know, it was definitely like a little bit separating, I would say. Like, we were all walking up the fairways and he was riding and. And he kind of had to stay on the cart path, too, so we wouldn't be that close to him. But after two or three holes, you know, he started offering us rides.

[Unk]

Yeah.

[Hoopa]

And then by the end of it, we were all just riding in his cart together.

[Unk]

Yeah.

[Francis Ellis]

Six guys.

[Hoopa]

Yeah.

[Unk]

Yeah.

[Hoopa]

And it was like he was this, you know, school bus driver and.

[Unk]

Yeah.

[Francis Ellis]

The chauffeur.

[Hoopa]

We were very grateful to him.

[Francis Ellis]

Just piling on a golf course is a cart is hilarious.

[Hoopa]

When we would go to dinners at these places, you know, I was never really sure, especially in the early nights, if we should be drinking because it's a work trip and, you know, I guess people, like, nobody really wanted to be the first person to be like, yeah, I'll have a martini. Yeah, and, you know, you'd be waiting and feeling out the room and. And some guys would be like, I'll have a seltzer or whatever, and it get to beef. And he'd be like, double Jack and Co. And then I'd wait to go after him, and I'd be like, great, I'm going to have a Manhattan. And he would just open the floodgates and set the tone. And all of a sudden, we'd be having a much better time as a result of him.

[Unk]

Yeah.

[Francis Ellis]

That's so nice. That's sick.

[Hoopa]

It was great.

[Francis Ellis]

You got to drink on the work trips.

[Hoopa]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I didn't realize how much I liked him. This is one of those weird things I said in my tweet. He snuck up on me. He just found his way into my heart, and I was very fond of him. I'm very excited for people to watch him in the Internet Invitational, and I'm going to miss him in a big way. And I don't know. That's all I have to say on that. But I was very sad yesterday and. Yeah, yeah.

[Francis Ellis]

You spent a lot of time with him.

[Hoopa]

I did, yeah.

[Francis Ellis]

Like, I only met him a couple times, but he's so nice. But I definitely feel for the people who spent a ton of time with him. That makes it. It's always harder to lose someone that you know intimately. And it seems like you guys shared a couple Jack and Cokes through shared straws. Yeah, we laid in, tramped a couple Jack and Cokes. We did, which is nice.

[Unk]

I got a double, so we can split it.

[Francis Ellis]

Two singles would have been fine.

[Hoopa]

Don't drink from the bottom. They didn't shake it properly. Yeah, that's where all. All the. The rum is. Or the Jack.

[Francis Ellis]

Damn jacket. Double jacket. Coke is a hilarious drink, too. You're getting after it if you're having a double Jack and Coke.

[Hoopa]

Yeah.

[Francis Ellis]

Oh, man.

[Hoopa]

He was. He was formal. He was a formal guy.

[Unk]

Very formal.

[Francis Ellis]

It was the thing about him I saw when people kept on being like, and this is so true, that he was a gentleman. Gentleman, big time.

[Hoopa]

He had this, like, debonair quality that felt so out of time from Victorian England or something. He was just a man of manners and etiquette and shout out to Frankie.

[Francis Ellis]

For even noticing that he would doff his cap every time he met someone and making that video, because that is, like, the funniest but also perfect encapsulation.

[Unk]

Yeah. Video is awesome.

[Francis Ellis]

Yeah. That's such a funny video.

[Unk]

Taking the hat off, just great. 75 times over 10 minutes.

[Hoopa]

Yeah.

[Francis Ellis]

And when I met him, I had to do it. I had to, Dolph.

[Hoopa]

Absolutely.

[Francis Ellis]

I had to. I, like, rushed up to him just so I could take my hat off to shake his hand. Yeah, it's so funny. You met him at the Ryder Cup. Ryder, yeah.

[Unk]

We stayed in the same place together. Me, him, Trent and Jerry.

[Hoopa]

Nice.

[Francis Ellis]

That's sick.

[Unk]

Had me questioning some things he did. No, me.

[Hoopa]

What do you mean?

[Unk]

That my rooming was me, Jerry, Beef and Trent.

[Hoopa]

Why?

[Unk]

Just a lot of lbs under that roof.

[Hoopa]

This is the. This is the reinforced house.

[Francis Ellis]

We got the double wide beds, double.

[Hoopa]

Wide doors, steel beam running under the.

[Francis Ellis]

Floor, stock fridge, so you boys won't have to go anywhere.

[Hoopa]

It was good, though.

[Unk]

We had a good time.

[Francis Ellis]

Yeah. That's a murderer's row.

[Hoopa]

Yeah, that is a good house.

[Unk]

It was fun. I think we were actually the only two that stayed after it ended, too. And I didn't even know. I don't think either of us knew we were there. It was just me and Beef in the house.

[Hoopa]

Yeah.

[Unk]

And then you would randomly just. You heard. Just her would hear someone shuffling around at, like, 7:00pm, like, oh, shit, someone else is in the house.

[Hoopa]

That doesn't sound like the maid.

[Francis Ellis]

Just alone together.

[Unk]

Yeah, because after the Ryder cup, everyone.

[Hoopa]

Left and you didn't talk to each other.

[Unk]

We didn't.

[Francis Ellis]

I thought.

[Unk]

I thought everyone was gone.

[Hoopa]

Yeah, but when you heard the shuffling, you didn't go out and be like, oh, hey, Beef.

[Unk]

No, we talked to each other the next morning when we were both leaving.

[Hoopa]

Oh, nice.

[Francis Ellis]

Yeah. That is so nice. What a fucking. What is that? So fucking sad.

[Unk]

Yeah.

[Francis Ellis]

Mango sad, too, bro. Mangold's the man.

[Unk]

Yeah, that was very sad.

[Francis Ellis]

Mangold.

[Unk]

Mangold was one time when we were in. When we were in. That was the only time I met him, was when we were in LA for the Super Bowl. And he was supposed to stay in Billy Football's room. And because Billy Football was, like, leaving early and he was like. Big Cat was like, you still stay in Billy Football's room. And we went and did the yak and he came on and he was like. He was like, yeah, I went to Billy's room. It's. He's like, that guy's a slob. Like, place is destroyed. His bed's disgusting. He's like, I don't even know how I'm gonna stay there. And we were all like, yeah, Billy's piece of shit. You know, just all dogging on Bill. And then I get back, we go back to the hotel. And I go into my room and Nick Mangold stuff is all over my room. Big ass suitcase. He's got like. His clothes are everywhere. And I was like, oh, fuck. That was my room.

[Francis Ellis]

Oh, my God. That's fucking amazing.

[Unk]

I've still got one of his shirts from his barbecue sauce company. Oh, yeah, yeah, Good barbecue sauce. Check it out.

[Francis Ellis]

Yeah. Shout out to 74. So tough. He'd leave them behind. Four kids. That's brutal.

[Unk]

Yeah, it's tough.

[Hoopa]

He. He had. He gave me a bunch of recipes for my big green egg. He was a master griller on the big green egg and taught me how to. Taught me how to do a brisket.

[Unk]

You still have the green egg?

[Hoopa]

No, I sold it.

[Unk]

Oh. Yeah.

[Hoopa]

I didn't have a place for it anymore upstate.

[Unk]

You would, though.

[Hoopa]

I know, but they have a nice. They already had a grill up there for me.

[Francis Ellis]

He did breakfast with you all the time?

[Hoopa]

He would come on. Breakfast all the time. And it was a gentle giant, you know, he. It's just one of those guys where you're like. You expect him to be.

[Francis Ellis]

He's so. No, it was the opposite.

[Hoopa]

He was just sweet and saw, you know, it was like a Ferdinand type character, I guess, where he just.

[Francis Ellis]

Yeah, he just would like, talk about your.

[Hoopa]

Yeah.

[Francis Ellis]

Which all. All professional athletes aren't necessarily like that.

[Unk]

No, especially good ones.

[Francis Ellis]

Yeah, he was really good.

[Unk]

Yeah.

[Hoopa]

Yeah.

[Unk]

Sick.

[Francis Ellis]

Did you see that story, that Rex Ryan story, talking about him?

[Unk]

Yeah, I did.

[Francis Ellis]

That's so funny.

[Unk]

Yeah.

[Francis Ellis]

No, he was like. It was on Hard Knocks. He's like, I'm worried the money might have changed. Mangled. Because it was right after he had gotten a contract extension. He's like, I pull up into the Taco Bell, drive through right in front of me's mango. He got a huge contract extension and just his crushing Taco Bell. So funny. He crushed it on every case. Race too. Or just like any drinking. He was just like down to.

[Unk]

He got. When we were in la, he was. He had that. He had like a flight that night and he went out to dinner with us and got hammered and then just went straight the airport.

[Francis Ellis]

Yeah, he was deleting beers. He was. Yeah. Automatic at it.

[Unk]

Good times, great times.

[Francis Ellis]

GTS. GTS GTs for the Bros. Very tippy, tippy tipping the scale.

[Unk]

Tippy all around.

[Hoopa]

Tippy longstalking.

[Francis Ellis]

It's crazy because you are. You are going to be unk before you know it, bro.

[Unk]

Me?

[Francis Ellis]

Yeah.

[Unk]

What makes you think that?

[Francis Ellis]

Because of just the way you're using Tippy and the way you're using lingo.

[Unk]

No, Tippy's. It's going to be big.

[Francis Ellis]

It's. You're. We're. You're in hoopa's world and you're just living it. You're unk to hoopa and.

[Hoopa]

No way.

[Francis Ellis]

Yeah, you are up.

[Unk]

If I is probably older than me.

[Francis Ellis]

He's not, bro.

[Unk]

How old is he?

[Francis Ellis]

19. He's 19 and he just graduated college. No, he's precocious.

[Hoopa]

Don't you want to be old, though?

[Unk]

No.

[Hoopa]

You've been acting like you do since.

[Unk]

No, I don't want to be old.

[Hoopa]

You don't like it when people tell you that you're young.

[Unk]

Well, I don't like when I'm treated differently because I'm young.

[Francis Ellis]

Well, when you get old, they'll also treat you differently.

[Unk]

Yeah, but in, like, a better way.

[Hoopa]

No, it's not necessarily.

[Francis Ellis]

They're like, un. Can't tell what's AI, what's not. Unc thinks we're really grilling Pikachus because he saw a sorrow2 video. Are you up on Sora? What? Sorry. Is.

[Unk]

It's gonna be. That's gonna be gone in the next.

[Hoopa]

Julio sent me one of him doing, like, a sermon to a whole bunch, like, a million people in an arena.

[Francis Ellis]

It was a closed. It was like, part of the Pay model for ChatGPT, and then it just became its own app. And when you see videos of, like, Martin Luther King at the barbershop or something like that, and it's supposed to be. You're only allowed to make videos of yourself or your friends with their permission, or people can put their likeness onto Sara so you can use it, but I don't know why the fuck you do that, because people are already framing other people for crimes they're, like, using.

[Unk]

Yeah, I think it's gonna go away. I don't think that's technology that just everyone can have.

[Francis Ellis]

Well, it's slop.

[Unk]

It's slop, but it's also, like, dangerous. It's dangerous and it's. Well, it's slop because it doesn't look good. Like, it still looks shitty.

[Francis Ellis]

You can tell. But it's getting better. But also it's like. It's like trash. It's not like. It's not like, beautifying the world. Like, oh, the.

[Hoopa]

The.

[Francis Ellis]

The. The engineers who make AI are. Are not ethical people. They're like, all bad people. It's an arms race. It's like, it. Literally nobody is like, well, like, let's Consider this. Because if one person takes a chance to consider, then 10 other companies who didn't consider shit are zooming past them. So it's just like abandoned ethics, like, fly ahead and like, let's frame Martin Luther King. It's crazy. Actually. Martin Luther King shot himself.

[Unk]

It is really bad. I think it's also crazy because it's like that technology's always been around. Like, you've always been able to like deepfake a video, but you had to know how to do it and it would take you the entire day to do.

[Francis Ellis]

And now it's three minutes.

[Unk]

Like, you've seen the videos of Quigs editing. Like, the advisors, like, you like, that.

[Francis Ellis]

Shit takes all day.

[Unk]

It's not like that technology, it wasn't always a thing where it was like, oh, I could make a deep fake video of Francis in three seconds. I don't think that should be allowed. I think it's going to be pulled back.

[Francis Ellis]

What do you think of Sam Altman?

[Hoopa]

Well, have you.

[Francis Ellis]

Did. Have you deep dove on him yet?

[Hoopa]

I don't know, man.

[Francis Ellis]

You gotta read the book on him.

[Hoopa]

Yeah, I don't know much. I don't know. I don't really have any feelings.

[Unk]

I just think it's still like, they're still pushing, like, well, you know, AI is gonna. It's gonna cure cancer. They're gonna change the world. And it's like all we've seen still is just like shitty Photoshops. It's not.

[Francis Ellis]

It's basically the moving pictures in Harry Potter that literally makes. Yeah, yeah. There's no.

[Unk]

It's dog.

[Hoopa]

Remind me not to give you the robot picks this weekend.

[Unk]

I don't want your shitty robot picks.

[Hoopa]

Oh, yeah, okay.

[Unk]

I asked for him last night. You wouldn't give me them.

[Hoopa]

And then I told you that he doesn't.

[Unk]

I'm the robot. I'm the robot.

[Hoopa]

Okay. Good luck, brother. You're on your own.

[Francis Ellis]

It was.

[Unk]

I don't.

[Francis Ellis]

I don't. I won't share them.

[Unk]

I definitely don't want them.

[Hoopa]

I don't want lost robot.

[Francis Ellis]

I want. I want them still.

[Hoopa]

Yeah, of course. Course. He's 12 and 1.

[Unk]

You're dumbass.

[Hoopa]

Are we talking about.

[Unk]

Can't even make a pick on Monday night? 10 point spread.

[Hoopa]

I don't want to give you more picks. You're doing enough.

[Unk]

I don't need more picks.

[Hoopa]

$25 on this guy. First touchdown. $25 on this guy to score.

[Francis Ellis]

Yeah. That's unethical, what you're doing.

[Unk]

I have bet. First touchdown. Score probably six times ever. And I hit it two times in a row this weekend.

[Hoopa]

That's cool.

[Francis Ellis]

Yeah.

[Hoopa]

You're the man.

[Unk]

KB and Nick. That's, like, you know, that's, like, all they bet. Just first TD and KB's, like, very successful with it.

[Hoopa]

That's cool.

[Unk]

Yeah.

[Francis Ellis]

No, KB's peppering the board like Jerry.

[Unk]

No.

[Francis Ellis]

He's got $20 bills, and he's sprinkling them on the app.

[Hoopa]

This is a really morbid question, but my mind has been stuck on this since you said Martin Luther King might have shot himself. What is the right way to shoot yourself?

[Unk]

I think in the head.

[Hoopa]

Well, okay. You talking this.

[Unk]

I think any of those ones will get it done. Yeah. All of the above work.

[Hoopa]

Yeah. So what. What would. What would you do?

[Unk]

Oh, I wouldn't do it.

[Hoopa]

Okay. Great answer. Way to play the game, Temple.

[Francis Ellis]

It's the least. It's like, you can't mess up the angle.

[Unk]

I don't think you can mess up the angle on any of those. Unless you're, like, insanely lucky. The odds of you messing up the angle on one of those is, like, almost zero percent.

[Hoopa]

I think they say this, huh?

[Unk]

If it recoils and then it skims the top of your head. Yes. Right.

[Hoopa]

This is the most guaranteed, I think. I think this is the most guaranteed.

[Unk]

Yeah. Probably because your head would just explode, shooting up through.

[Hoopa]

Up through the brain. But I think that shooting yourself in the heart is a noble way. There's nobility in that.

[Francis Ellis]

That's how the Japanese do it.

[Hoopa]

Yeah.

[Unk]

That's. You're gonna end up, like. You're gonna end up just laying on the ground for four hours, groaning. This was a big mistake. Have you guys ever watched the Kurt Cobain documentary soaked in bleach?

[Francis Ellis]

No, I have not. But I've learned to. I didn't like Courtney Love already.

[Unk]

Yeah.

[Francis Ellis]

And now I've learned, just through the lore, to dislike her even more because.

[Unk]

She killed Kurt Cobain.

[Francis Ellis]

I didn't like just her presentation or her music or her attitude. I didn't like any of that stuff.

[Unk]

Yeah.

[Francis Ellis]

And now. Now that you find out that she drove Kurt Cobain to death.

[Unk]

No, I don't think she. I think she killed him.

[Francis Ellis]

Okay. Even worse, by her hand.

[Unk]

I don't think she actually, like, pulled up to the house and shot Kurt Cobain in the head. I think she probably hired someone to do it.

[Hoopa]

Oh, wow.

[Unk]

But there's definitely another man involved.

[Francis Ellis]

It was O.J. simpson.

[Unk]

It could have been. Did you see that diagram that Nick.

[Francis Ellis]

Made that was so Funny.

[Guest or Background Vocalist]

Yeah.

[Unk]

With all the sports teams. Best player and then there's like the blank J. And it had bills in it.

[Francis Ellis]

Something with it. The quarterback threw in the towel and it was the. It was the Browns. Funny, funny job by Nick. Funny ass job by Nick. I was gonna book your spot, Cosme. I'm going to dinner with my firefighter. My cop friend.

[Hoopa]

Yes.

[Francis Ellis]

But I went to. I did book Chinese tuxedo instead.

[Hoopa]

I've never been there.

[Francis Ellis]

It's awesome.

[Hoopa]

Is it good?

[Francis Ellis]

It's so nice.

[Hoopa]

I went to more fish bar last night.

[Francis Ellis]

Really?

[Hoopa]

That was pretty good.

[Francis Ellis]

Would you get the xeno?

[Hoopa]

No, my buddy did. I got the dorad Dorado.

[Francis Ellis]

Dorado?

[Hoopa]

Yeah. It's pretty good dorado.

[Unk]

Really?

[Francis Ellis]

You don't know the dorado? Is that your fisherman?

[Unk]

Dorado is one of my favorite foods. One of my favorite dishes.

[Hoopa]

Cousin of the mahi Mahi.

[Unk]

Yeah, of course, of course.

[Francis Ellis]

Never seen a dorado in your life.

[Unk]

I love a dora.

[Francis Ellis]

What I have realized is we have been low key training a perfect AI model with like the. The frequency with which we talk about the same topics. If someone wanted to like AI this show, like we have, we touch on like, that's probably true. Planes, like so often that they know all of our perspectives and voices on it. That is so brutal. Unfortunately, Sam Altman has my permission to do nothing.

[Unk]

True.

[Francis Ellis]

That scumbag pig, didn't he? I think he had someone killed too. Probably into that.

[Hoopa]

Okay.

[Francis Ellis]

Someone. There was like a confrontation on a podcast about Sam Altman having someone killed.

[Unk]

He was on the podcast?

[Francis Ellis]

I think so.

[Unk]

That's got to be a tough podcast. Sitting down. They're like, did you murder that guy?

[Francis Ellis]

I don't want to talk about it.

[Unk]

Guys. We can't talk. I can't have this be in really putting me on the spot.

[Francis Ellis]

We have to cut this. But Chinese tuxedos at the end of a street in Chinatown. Yeah, one of the winding streets in Chinatown. And it's right by this theater where in the early 1900s there was a shootout by two Chinese gangs at the front and the back of the theater. So they shot across a theater full of pedestrians, theater goers. And they say that if you go down that street on certain nights, you could still hear the gunshots.

[Hoopa]

No way.

[Unk]

Really?

[Francis Ellis]

A spooky story for Halloween.

[Unk]

That is cool. I like that.

[Hoopa]

You sure that's not the engines backfiring from all the doordash?

[Francis Ellis]

You know, they rides bikes getting out.

[Unk]

With low main and I think I might be out on doordash all together.

[Hoopa]

Why Lo Mein's Thai food.

[Unk]

Lo Mein?

[Hoopa]

No, Lo Mein's Chinese. Yeah, I'm thinking of Pad Thai.

[Unk]

What am I. Yeah, Lo Mein.

[Hoopa]

Is my brain not working that well today?

[Francis Ellis]

It's just different Neuters.

[Unk]

You know, we've all had a. We've all had a crazy 24, and I think some of us are kind of just you know, glancing over at the door, making sure no one's coming through.

[Francis Ellis]

We have a chair wedged against there. It looked like we. The Capitol got stormed and all the senators were in a room. We just have benches across the door, just guns pointed at the door.

[Hoopa]

He's out there with a pimp chalice glued to the door, listening.

[Unk]

We've got. We've got Frank the Tank just leaning up against the door.

[Francis Ellis]

Yeah. Hold Hodor. I never watched Game of Thrones, but I. I believe that Hodor held a door.

[Unk]

You're asking the wrong guy. Never seen it either.

[Francis Ellis]

Me neither.

[Unk]

I've heard it's fucking phenomenal, but I don't know if I got it in me.

[Francis Ellis]

I don't have it in me. Dragons just don't. Do not do it for me.

[Unk]

I don't know. I can't even say that because it's like everyone says, it's so fucking good. You've seen it, obviously. How many times? Five.

[Hoopa]

Just once.

[Unk]

Really?

[Hoopa]

Yeah.

[Unk]

That's surprising.

[Francis Ellis]

He had a famous series that accompanied it.

[Unk]

Oh, yeah.

[Francis Ellis]

Sunday. A Game of Thrones day. I'm excited.

[Hoopa]

That was before your time.

[Unk]

Yeah.

[Hoopa]

You would have been in. In high school.

[Francis Ellis]

You wouldn't have got that.

[Hoopa]

Probably you're too Young to understand 2018. 2019 something. 2019. You were in high school? That's crazy.

[Unk]

Yeah.

[Hoopa]

Yeah.

[Unk]

Crazy how time flies like that.

[Francis Ellis]

College football season is in full swing, which means tailgates, cheering crowds, and the excitement of being in the stands before kickout are all happening too. You ever find yourself at a tailgate and decide to grab tickets last minute? Actually, Sass, this happened when me and you were at the Eagles game. Do you remember that? We shot that video at the Eagles game. And we were about to go, and we didn't go to the game, but we were right there the entire time. And this is pre game time days, so we could have easily gone in there.

[Unk]

Absolutely. Well, you know, I just. I only say that because I just don't know if we want to go to a Penn State game these days.

[Francis Ellis]

Obviously not.

[Unk]

They're bums.

[Hoopa]

Where the fuck they're papering the audience.

[Unk]

They literally are.

[Hoopa]

Yeah.

[Francis Ellis]

Yeah. It's bad. No one wants to do that. No tips for them. The least tippy squad.

[Unk]

But if we did want to go to Penn State at Rutgers this weekend, they're giving them out. They're giving them away.

[Francis Ellis]

Yeah.

[Unk]

90 bones on the. On the 50 yard line. Yeah.

[Francis Ellis]

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[Francis Ellis]

Mm.

[Hoopa]

Alrighty.

[Unk]

Let's talk about Kraken.

[Hoopa]

Start over. Sorry, sorry.

[Unk]

Oh, you're ripping it again.

[Hoopa]

No, no, no, no. You started because I was talking to you. Oh, start over. That.

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[Hoopa]

Yes. Oh. I have now booked in New Zealand in three separate spots. Full day guided fly fishing.

[Unk]

Really?

[Hoopa]

For just me, me and a guide.

[Unk]

That's gonna be so fun.

[Hoopa]

In three different places. Apparently it's really hard over there. I'm concerned it's probably going to be hard.

[Unk]

But if you have a guide, they'll, they'll set you up.

[Hoopa]

I mean it's, it's all sight fishing and the water is so crystal clear that the fish can see you and get very spooked. And there are not that many of them because it's all wild. None of it's stocked.

[Unk]

Yeah, it'll be fine.

[Francis Ellis]

But I've never seen a human before. Some of those fish maybe not Rocky head asses.

[Unk]

Your guide's probably going to be the man.

[Hoopa]

I know. Yeah, I want.

[Unk]

You're going to Salty Kiwis.

[Francis Ellis]

Yeah.

[Hoopa]

Yeah.

[Unk]

He's probably going to be a stunner.

[Hoopa]

Yeah. I'm going, I'm going fishing on Christmas Day.

[Unk]

That's awesome.

[Hoopa]

From being across the world from my family.

[Unk]

Well, it's gonna. You're not gonna feel as lonely when you hook into like a 40 inch rainbow trout.

[Hoopa]

I know, I know.

[Unk]

It's gonna destroy fishing for you. You're never gonna be able to go fishing in America, like fresh water and be like, that was great. They don't. The fish that they have in New Zealand, like, they're literally like they just aren't as big here.

[Francis Ellis]

You're gonna be a big game half the size. You're like gonna be fishing how the indigenous.

[Hoopa]

Yeah.

[Unk]

Fish. Yeah.

[Francis Ellis]

Yeah, I found a big one.

[Hoopa]

But I think the ones that I catch, the, the difference is I think that you catch more fish here. They say that in you know, Wyoming, you. You land whatever, 12 to 15 a day.

[Unk]

Yeah.

[Hoopa]

Probably over there. You'll walk miles and. And maybe cast at one.

[Unk]

Yeah. It's gonna be like bone fishing. That's very similar to bone fishing. You just walk on the flats and you're looking for shadows, and then you just cast and hope it works out.

[Francis Ellis]

Do you guys know that Wednesday of next week, we're going. We are going fishing together. Do you guys.

[Unk]

I do.

[Francis Ellis]

We. On November 5th.

[Hoopa]

Okay.

[Francis Ellis]

We're going upstate to your house.

[Hoopa]

Totally doable.

[Unk]

You have guests coming.

[Francis Ellis]

We're going to your upstate house on November 5th.

[Hoopa]

I know that. Yes.

[Francis Ellis]

Do you know that?

[Hoopa]

And we're spending the night up there, right? We're spending the night, and then we're shooting on Thursday.

[Francis Ellis]

We're gonna do a bunch of. We're gonna be shooting all day Wednesday and Thursday.

[Hoopa]

Okay, great. Do you think we'll be back by 10.50pm on Thursday?

[Francis Ellis]

Of course we'll be back. Whenever you want to be back.

[Hoopa]

No, no, I don't want to come back, but I have to. Yeah, you have to sell our spot. Yeah.

[Unk]

Nice. Nice.

[Francis Ellis]

Yeah, we'll be back. I have a family. But of course, you guys are my. You guys are my family.

[Unk]

Of course, man.

[Hoopa]

I shouldn't have. No veils. No, no. I would like to stay up there. I don't want to come back here.

[Unk]

If you need someone to do the spot, I can do it.

[Francis Ellis]

Francis Ellis. You think you could do his material?

[Unk]

Definitely.

[Francis Ellis]

What would it sound like?

[Unk]

I don't know.

[Francis Ellis]

Would you do his cadence?

[Hoopa]

Now you've seen my set in a long time.

[Unk]

I'll just do old stuff.

[Francis Ellis]

Yeah, classic.

[Hoopa]

I would just.

[Unk]

I would just watch through your Instagram clips and just do the ones that have the most view, people.

[Hoopa]

I mean, what's next? This one was a hit.

[Unk]

Just holding it up to the mic.

[Francis Ellis]

Just eating a lot.

[Unk]

Francis couldn't be here tonight, so I'm.

[Francis Ellis]

Gonna have the Seafood Tower in front of you guys. That would play in Brooklyn.

[Hoopa]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Francis Ellis]

Eat a seafood tower. I feel like a Wellington would be funny for you to eat.

[Hoopa]

Oh.

[Francis Ellis]

Or like a loin. Like a full on.

[Hoopa]

I hate a really good plan for next week.

[Unk]

Alligator.

[Hoopa]

Really good. No, I couldn't do alligator. Repulsed me.

[Unk]

Going back to the bacon topic, we were. When I was at Focus this weekend, they were bringing out, like, they bring out all the meats.

[Francis Ellis]

Bacon's all right.

[Hoopa]

Are you. Are you trying to explain Fogo de Chow to me as if I don't know what it is or have Never been.

[Unk]

No, I'm just saying they bring out all the meat.

[Hoopa]

They bring it out.

[Unk]

They're bringing out the meat. And you know, I'm saying yes to everything because I've never been. So I'm like, yeah, I'll take it all.

[Guest or Background Vocalist]

All.

[Unk]

I don't know how long this is going to go on. I didn't know that. It was just a never ending flow.

[Francis Ellis]

They were going to revoke the meat.

[Unk]

Yeah, exactly. So I was saying yes to everything. And then I got, I got like steak and chicken wrapped in bacon and that. It, it ruined my night. It ruined the night for me.

[Hoopa]

That's too much.

[Unk]

It was, it set me over and. And then I had to, I had to miss out on the New York strip.

[Hoopa]

Oh, buddy, why would you go with.

[Unk]

This chicken covered in bacon served on a salt block, Like a big ass block of salt.

[Hoopa]

I love it.

[Unk]

But I was too full.

[Francis Ellis]

You two pump chumped yourself. I did. You came as soon as you entered.

[Unk]

Who the fuck wants chicken when they're bringing out New York strip on a salt block?

[Hoopa]

You earlier in the episode said that you only want chicken.

[Unk]

I only want chicken if it's gonna be chicken, alligator or like ostrich eggs. That's, that's another one that I've heard people be like, ostrich. You ever see ostrich eggs like those big ass. Yeah, they're cool. Some people eat and they're like, yeah, it just tastes like chicken. And it's like, well that's disgusting.

[Francis Ellis]

Why is it disgusting? It's disgusting to eat a chicken egg.

[Unk]

Because why would you want an egg that tastes like chicken?

[Francis Ellis]

Because it's an egg.

[Unk]

Wouldn't you want your egg to taste like egg?

[Francis Ellis]

Yeah, it tastes like egg. It tastes like a chicken's egg.

[Hoopa]

If you really think about it, in a way, egg does taste of chicken.

[Unk]

But we're talking about ostrich. There's no chicken in ostrich.

[Hoopa]

No, but it's a flightless bird.

[Unk]

Is it?

[Hoopa]

Yeah.

[Unk]

I think they can get up there.

[Hoopa]

No, they can't.

[Unk]

10Ft. No, I think they can do like. You know how chickens can give a good burst?

[Hoopa]

You are dead wrong if you think an ostrich can get 10ft in the air. They can't be by jumping.

[Francis Ellis]

They're ground bound.

[Hoopa]

They run 40 miles an hour.

[Unk]

They'll kill you.

[Francis Ellis]

They have like.

[Hoopa]

You can't.

[Unk]

You're telling me that they can't run 40 and you know, just let the wings go for like a minute?

[Hoopa]

No, they got little out. They Got little alligator arm wings. They don't have. Have wings that are.

[Unk]

Chickens can get up there. Chickens can probably get 10ft.

[Francis Ellis]

Yeah, 10ft, but like, just 10ft. They're just like.

[Unk]

And they're flailing. Well, I'm not sure I. I haven't confirmed or denied the ostrich rumors, but.

[Francis Ellis]

Chickens can definitely get 10ft.

[Unk]

Chickens can get 10ft, like, just to.

[Francis Ellis]

Avoid, like, the farm dog that's running around.

[Unk]

Coyotes.

[Hoopa]

They can't fly.

[Francis Ellis]

Huh?

[Hoopa]

They cannot fly.

[Unk]

Can make lies.

[Hoopa]

Can ostriches.

[Francis Ellis]

If they run up to a cliff.

[Unk]

Yeah.

[Francis Ellis]

They could do, like, a wingsuit situation.

[Hoopa]

They fly at all because their bodies are too heavy and their wings are too small for flight. But they're super fast.

[Unk]

What a.

[Francis Ellis]

What a shitty existence.

[Unk]

A bird that can't fly have wings, and you just can't do anything with them.

[Hoopa]

They use their wings for balance while running at high speeds. They run the way that the children from that movie Weapons run.

[Unk]

Yeah. They do the Naruto run. Yeah, yeah.

[Francis Ellis]

Arms. It's the arms out behind you. Anime.

[Hoopa]

That's what it.

[Unk]

The weapons thing is.

[Hoopa]

Okay.

[Unk]

Stems from Naruto.

[Hoopa]

I believe you.

[Unk]

Yeah.

[Francis Ellis]

One of the most famous anime characters.

[Unk]

You should get into anime.

[Hoopa]

Can't.

[Unk]

Have you tried?

[Francis Ellis]

No, just watch Akira.

[Unk]

You're doing. You're doing that thing again.

[Hoopa]

Air Bender. I watched Air Bender.

[Unk]

That's not. Doesn't count.

[Hoopa]

Why not?

[Unk]

You gotta watch, like, Dragon Ball Z or Death Note.

[Hoopa]

Oh, come on now.

[Unk]

I think you would like Death Note.

[Hoopa]

Just not a fan.

[Unk]

I'm not a fan either. I don't like the inner monologue.

[Francis Ellis]

No, it was a dark city.

[Unk]

Yeah. Roan's drinking a cup of coffee today. It does.

[Francis Ellis]

Typical.

[Unk]

But there are some people that the only thing they watch is anime. Anime?

[Hoopa]

Yeah.

[Francis Ellis]

Black people.

[Unk]

Black people and Asian people.

[Francis Ellis]

Black bros love anime.

[Hoopa]

Huh?

[Unk]

You didn't know that?

[Francis Ellis]

And it's not even just, like, black nerds.

[Unk]

No, it's all black.

[Francis Ellis]

It's gangsters.

[Unk]

Yeah.

[Hoopa]

By the way, I have fallen in love with a character from history, and I don't know where this came from.

[Francis Ellis]

Molly Pitcher.

[Hoopa]

Kate Bates.

[Francis Ellis]

Let's look her up.

[Hoopa]

No. Excuse me. Kate Chase. What am I saying? Kate Chase. Daughter of Salmon P. Chase, who I think was Secretary of the Treasury.

[Unk]

Kate Chase.

[Francis Ellis]

Bank.

[Hoopa]

Okay. Kate Chase.

[Francis Ellis]

I see the vision.

[Hoopa]

She was like the original influencer. Should have been 1850. 1860.

[Francis Ellis]

You don't see it.

[Unk]

She's a drawing.

[Hoopa]

You just told me how much I didn't watch fucking anime, dude.

[Unk]

Well, I didn't say you had to fall in love with anime.

[Hoopa]

Everybody fell in love with her.

[Unk]

With her.

[Hoopa]

Yeah. She was the most elegant. They said that her neck was long. She was the first one have a little bit of an ostrich to make being lean fashionable.

[Unk]

Really?

[Hoopa]

Yeah.

[Unk]

Looks like she's already got a man.

[Hoopa]

She was. She was a. She ran all these soirees and parties in. In the scene in Washington D.C. and she was a just a true socialite cosmopolitan woman.

[Unk]

Was she like 13?

[Francis Ellis]

She got married at 23 to William Sprague and then got divorced from Williams Frog at.

[Hoopa]

He was the governor of New Jersey. And it was believed that she only married him so that she could get access to his unbelievable wealth to potentially bolster her father for her father's run for the presidency after Lincoln.

[Francis Ellis]

Oh, but she died in poverty.

[Hoopa]

Well, I don't. I haven't gotten that far.

[Unk]

She only lived for 59 years.

[Francis Ellis]

1899.

[Hoopa]

There's still a chance here she had.

[Francis Ellis]

Bright's disease and she died of impoverish. But on her deathbed, the New York Times wrote that the homage of the most eminent men in the country was hers. Men were lusting, I think is what they think.

[Unk]

That's what they mean.

[Francis Ellis]

They're paying heavy homage.

[Hoopa]

Yes. No, I'm. I'm one of many.

[Francis Ellis]

That is a come tribute. That's the cum tribute I have.

[Hoopa]

I am one of many who. I have fallen under the spell of Kate Chase. Kate Chase.

[Unk]

Where did you find out about Kate Chase?

[Hoopa]

In this book I'm reading Team of Rivals.

[Unk]

Team of Rivals. Marvel rivals.

[Hoopa]

I'm 460 pages in.

[Unk]

Jesus.

[Hoopa]

It's 800.

[Unk]

That's got a lot of Kate Chase left.

[Hoopa]

Wow. Let's hope so.

[Francis Ellis]

She tried to get her dad to run for president and she would have become the first lady if so.

[Hoopa]

Well, all his wives died. He was married three times and they all died like one after another real quick.

[Unk]

Yeah, it was probably Kate Chase. This is worse than anime. This is freak. First lady's his daughter.

[Hoopa]

They had a.

[Francis Ellis]

They did have a very 180 year old.

[Unk]

Yeah, I'm sure they did have a close relationship.

[Hoopa]

They were. No, I don't think they were Kate.

[Unk]

Because you're only 460 pages in it. Yeah, it's gonna be a long back. 340.

[Hoopa]

Can we stop talking? Can we end this? I don't want to do this anymore.

[Francis Ellis]

Yep.

[Hoopa]

Not today.

[Unk]

You don't want to talk about Kate Chase?

[Hoopa]

I don't want to do any. I don't want to do any more.

[Francis Ellis]

Of this, guys. See you guys next week.

[Unk]

Have we been going for enough time?

[Hoopa]

I think we have gone for far too long.

[Francis Ellis]

I was going to give you a hard time about Kate Chase. I think that she seems fly as hell.

[Unk]

I think she seems like a good girl.

[Francis Ellis]

I'm gonna put her in about Sora. Pound off of her.

[Unk]

Can't wait to see what she's capable of on Sora.

[Francis Ellis]

You should. I mean, this is the perfect application. She's in the public domain and you have the means to bring her back to life.

[Unk]

I might bounce her around, see what grock has to do with her.

[Francis Ellis]

Pass her around. Tip drill from app to app, from AI to AI.

[Unk]

All right, cool. Thank you guys for listening. We'll be back on Tuesday.

[Guest or Background Vocalist]

Still underground so I looked older to you Came around I was only falling one way I was only falling one way Day world drifting for was I so, so thank you. Now I come alive I was a little falling one way I was only falling one way I was only falling one way I was only falling one way that is true, you're right did you realize? No one can take me alive I was only falling one way See just a distant light Sam, did you real no one could take me alive.