White Chocolate | Son of a Boy Dad #369 ft. Jason Williams

Summary

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Son of a Boy Dad #369: "White Chocolate" ft. Jason Williams

Podcast: Son of a Boy Dad (Barstool Sports)
Date: January 22, 2026
Guests: Jason "White Chocolate" Williams
Hosts: Roan, Harry, Francis

Episode Overview

This episode features NBA legend Jason Williams, aka "White Chocolate," joining Roan, Harry, and Francis for a freewheeling conversation. The crew dives into stories from Williams’s NBA days, wild airport ordeals, animal debates (cats vs. dogs), eating habits, and the universal pain of commercial travel. Expect shots at Orlando's airport, tales of childhood, and plenty of candid, ridiculous banter—all with the irreverent, off-the-cuff Son of a Boy Dad energy.

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Main Discussion Points & Insights

Golf, Orlando, and Tiger Woods Neighborhood Tales

[02:50–05:54]

• Jason is teased for not being invited to golf with the hosts while in Orlando.
• The group discusses Crooked Cat and Panther Lake courses; notes on course quality.
• Jason shares a wild story: Tiger Woods lived in Jason's Orlando neighborhood when the infamous golf club domestic incident happened.
  • "That's where Tiger got hit with that seven iron in the side of the head. ... By his wife. ... In my house. At my neighborhood." (J. Williams, 04:06)
• Jason describes nervously meeting Tiger at the clubhouse and cherishing a signed Masters flag arranged by Tiger's coach.

Tattoos, Hero Worship, and Childhood Fandom

[06:14–07:58]

• Harry recounts getting detention for writing "white boy" on his knuckles, inspired by Jason's NBA tattoos.
• Stories of kids emulating sports heroes, including Webb Simpson’s caddy mimicking Jason’s tattoos.
  • "The guy that actually did it, he told me he wouldn't have done them if I wasn't in the NBA." (J. Williams, 07:36)

Youth Sports and Avoiding Injury

[09:18–11:17]

• Jason reminisces about quitting football and baseball early to protect his basketball future:

  • "I quit football and baseball, too, in like my freshman year. I was scared I'd get hurt. I wouldn't be able to play basketball." (J. Williams, 10:32)

• Discussion shifts to the brutality of lacrosse and its elitist rep, with Harry drawing comparisons to polo and posh high school teams.

Horses, Dolphins, and Jason’s Disdain for Animals

[13:19–15:00]

• Jason expresses a total lack of interest in horses or dolphins, drawing a line at dogs for animal company.

  • "No, I'm not. I'm not that type of person. To interact with animals ... Dogs, yeah. To hell with horses and cows..." (J. Williams, 13:24, 13:46)

• Humorous stories from the group’s past horse-riding experiences, including a near-disaster with a horse laying down in a creek on top of an eight-year-old Harry.

The Great Cat vs. Dog Debate

[18:33–25:16]

• The team gets into a major anti-cat vs. pro-cat argument. Jason and Harry strongly anti-cat; Francis (somewhat) defends them.

  • "I'm scared to death of a cat." (J. Williams, 18:54)
  • "The world would be a better place without cats." (J. Williams, 28:27)

• Jason shares a "questionable" childhood story of kids dunking stray cats in paint for fun in West Virginia.

• The group riffs on what pet choice reveals about personality: cats as signs of "weirdness" and dogs as reliable companions.

  • "I think that they're weird. ... A cat brings nothing to the table for me." (J. Williams, 24:04)

Airport & First-Class Drama: Orlando Mayhem

[35:05–64:43]

• Extreme Orlando airport horror stories, especially on holidays, with epic security lines and chaos.
  • "I turned the corner, ... in the back of the throat. ... Am I going to start crying?" (Francis, 35:16)
• The saga of two Barstool staffers’ battle over First-Class flight upgrades, including revenge, upgrade drama, seat swaps, and simmering resentment.
  • Harry: "I get there... I'm in 27B ... next to the bathroom. ... Hit with a wave of shit smell." (47:32)
  • Francis: "I texted Ron, and I go, I don't know what to do. I hate Harry more than anyone else in my life. ... Now I understand why successful bands break up." (49:48–50:12)
• Francis, after barely making the plane, sprints, gets overheated, and vomits in first class before takeoff.
  • "I'm late as ... I can't find my wallet ... sprinted ... It's a thousand degrees on the plane ... I puked a lot. And I felt better immediately." (51:09–56:48)

NBA Team Travel, Flight Hierarchies, and Player Tales

[65:01–71:10]

• Jason describes NBA team flight protocols, player seating (stars in front, personnel/coaches in back), and the pain of waiting for perpetually late superstars like Dwight Howard.

  • "Stan Van Gundy would write on the board whatever time ... We always was on the bus for at least 30 or 40 more minutes extra with Dwight Howard." (65:41)

• Behind-the-scenes of planes: players request specific foods, wine, and snacks for post-game flights; Williams confesses he always preferred simple eats and room service.

  • "Well, no, let's get something straight, you guys. I'm not part of you guys going to those fancy restaurants and shit." (J. Williams, 69:17)

Eating Abroad, Food Habits, and More Ridiculousness

[71:15–73:16]

• Jason is strictly loyal to fast food chicken nuggets even in Germany, skipping local fare.
  • "I did have the spaghetti bolognaise for room service. ... I think I probably had eight bolognese." (J. Williams, 72:43)
• McDonald's nuggets and Coke—the panel debates "pink slime" and whether knowing fast food origins would deter them.

Return Flight: More Airport Nightmares and the "Fat Woman" Incident

[76:41–79:58]

• On the return flight, the crew describes a physically large, forceful woman barreling through rows upon landing, justified by her pain. Francis attempts passive-aggressive confrontation but backs down when she explains herself.
  • "I am in so much physical pain right now that if I don't get off this plane as fast as humanly possible, I'm going to break down in tears. So back the off." (Woman to Francis, 80:28)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On meeting Tiger Woods (05:25):
  "Later on in life, I got to meet Sean Foley, his coach, and he got a master's flag signed to me from Taggart, which is great." – Jason Williams

• On anti-cat feelings (18:54):
  "I'm scared to death of a cat." – Jason Williams

• On flight status battles (47:32 & 49:48):
  "I'm in 27B ... next to the bathroom ... hit with a wave of shit smell." – Harry
  "I texted Ron, and I go, I don't know what to do. I hate Harry more than anyone else in my life." – Francis

• Childhood “West Virginia” Paint Cat Story (19:41):
  "As a kid, when we grew up in West Virginia, we used to find stray cats and take them in a bucket of paint. ... And then we stand on top of the football bleachers... and they always land on their feet." – Jason Williams
  (Unsurprisingly, the group finds this both horrifying and hilarious.)

• On late NBA teammates (65:41):
  "Stan Van Gundy ... We always was on the bus for at least 30 or 40 more minutes extra with Dwight Howard." – Jason Williams

• On NBA food snobbery (69:17):
  "Well, no, let's get something straight, you guys. I'm not part of you guys going to those fancy restaurants and shit." – Jason Williams

• On the aesthetics of McDonald's Coke (72:28):
  "I'd have to get a bottle of Coke at McDonald's and go to Starbucks, get a cup of ice." – Jason Williams

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• [02:50] – Jason Williams introduced, Orlando golf, Tiger Woods stories
• [06:14] – Tattoos and "white boy" knuckles story
• [10:31] – Quitting other sports for basketball
• [13:19] – Jason's animal aversions and horse tales
• [18:33] – The anti-cat rant & pet personalities
• [35:05] – Airport nightmare: Orlando's chaos
• [47:32] – First-class seating feud, bathroom proximity woes
• [51:09] – Francis sprints, sweats, and vomits on the plane
• [65:41] – NBA travel stories, waiting for Dwight Howard
• [69:17] – NBA food preferences, Jason’s love for basic eats
• [76:41] – ‘Fat woman’ plows through rows post-flight landing, confrontation

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Tone & Style

Reflective of the show and its guests: irreverent, funny, highly conversational, at times crude, but always self-aware and openly honest.

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Conclusion

This episode blends nostalgia with hilarity, offering an outlandish yet relatable look into pro athlete life, the miserable realities of air travel, and the strange world of fandom and childhood idolatry. Jason Williams brings a refreshingly blunt, unfiltered perspective, punctuating the laughs with memorable stories.

Key Takeaway:
If you travel with the Son of a Boy Dad boys, expect chaos, bodily fluids, and a whole lot of banter—especially about the relative merits of McDonald's, the uselessness of cats, and modern airport hell.

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Transcript

[Roan]

Hey, son of a boy. Dad. Listeners, you can find every episode on Apple podcasts, Spotify or YouTube Prime. Members can listen ad free on Amazon Music.

[Francis]

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[Jason Williams (J. Will)]

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[Francis]

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[Jason Williams (J. Will)]

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[Francis]

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[Jason Williams (J. Will)]

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[Harry]

Oh, my good.

[Roan]

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[Francis]

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[Harry]

Plus, TaxAct can think of a million.

[Francis]

Things more fun than filing taxes. TaxAct is going to name some now.

[Harry]

Sitting in traffic, folding a fitted bedsheet.

[Francis]

Listening to your co worker talk about.

[Jason Williams (J. Will)]

His fantasy team digging a hole.

[Francis]

Digging an even larger hole next to that original hole. Unfortunately, TaxAct's filing software can't make taxes.

[Jason Williams (J. Will)]

Fun, but TaxAct can help you get them done.

[Harry]

TaxAct, let's get them over with.

[Roan]

What time do you. What time you say?

[Francis]

Out on the course, they're the PGA Tour's best players, but in the arena, they're prime time.

[Jason Williams (J. Will)]

And season two of TGL, presented by SoFi, is back.

[Harry]

With lights, cameras, action.

[Francis]

We're talking big moments, big personalities, big names in the stands, all on the big screen.

[Harry]

Big time matchups with shot clocks, Hammer.

[Francis]

Drops timeouts, overtime, and playoffs. It's S. City versus city, squad versus squad. This sport just hits different under the lights.

[Harry]

It's TGL, presented by SoFi.

[Francis]

Keep up. It's golf. Tune in to every match only on espn.

[Roan]

You need to leave.

[Jason Williams (J. Will)]

No, I'll ask you.

[Roan]

Oh, no, I like to get there with as little time as possible. So I would just find out when I'm boarding and then just go like 45 minutes before that.

[Jason Williams (J. Will)]

I'm not quite like that.

[Francis]

You. You like to get there early?

[Jason Williams (J. Will)]

Well, I mean, you know, I don't want to be hustling at all.

[Francis]

I got a good story for you.

[Harry]

Yesterday.

[Jason Williams (J. Will)]

Yeah.

[Harry]

Oh, it's so good.

[Jason Williams (J. Will)]

Mco. Y' all flew out of mco, I'm assuming.

[Harry]

Yeah, if you could call it that.

[Jason Williams (J. Will)]

Was it a disaster?

[Harry]

I would call it the United nations evacuation zone. I've never seen an airport like that. It's a disgrace to first world countries.

[Francis]

What?

[Harry]

Let's get into it.

[Roan]

It is so start us off, brother. All right.

[Francis]

All righty. Welcome back to the Son of a Boy dad podcast. Today, it's January 20th. It's 2:00pm 2:10pm welcome, Rowan.

[Roan]

Thank you. Thank you for having me.

[Francis]

Of course. Introduce our guest.

[Roan]

This is. Gentlemen, this is Jason Williams. J. Will White Chocolate from the hooping and hollering podcast. But our co worker, our buddy in here, and it's got just a lot in common. I mean, we came in just talking. Talking golf in Orlando, which is literally your entire life.

[Jason Williams (J. Will)]

Yeah. I mean, I can't believe that I've learned the two guys here, my buddies, so called co workers, were in Orlando and didn't even call me to play golf. I mean, what, What? What?

[Francis]

Francis, do you know the name of the course that we played at Orange.

[Harry]

Orange County National? Yeah, that's it.

[Jason Williams (J. Will)]

Yeah, that's where we were at Panther Lake or Crooked Cat. Crooked.

[Harry]

Crooked Cat.

[Jason Williams (J. Will)]

What kind of shape was it in?

[Harry]

Pretty good. Solid.

[Francis]

Solid?

[Harry]

Yeah. Freezing. Freezing down there.

[Jason Williams (J. Will)]

They had a live event there last year. You believe that?

[Harry]

At that course?

[Francis]

Can you believe that on Crooked Cat?

[Jason Williams (J. Will)]

As much money as they live people have, they went there to host. Do you believe that?

[Francis]

Now that is pretty insane.

[Harry]

I'm not going to say anything negative about it. They were generous to host us.

[Jason Williams (J. Will)]

Yeah. Oh, they're always nice to me. But, but man, come on. The live.

[Harry]

You're right, you're right.

[Roan]

It's got a lot of money. But maybe they, you know, they, they. They want something down home and. Or that feels like Orlando. What's your home course in Orlando?

[Jason Williams (J. Will)]

Alworth.

[Roan]

Do you know it?

[Harry]

No. Is that.

[Jason Williams (J. Will)]

That's where Tagger got hit with that seven iron in the side of the head.

[Harry]

The club?

[Jason Williams (J. Will)]

Yeah, by his wife.

[Harry]

Oh, yeah. Of course.

[Roan]

That happened at a golf course.

[Jason Williams (J. Will)]

Yeah, in my house. At my neighborhood. Really? Yeah, bro.

[Francis]

Where you. Did you see it go down?

[Jason Williams (J. Will)]

No, I didn't.

[Francis]

Damn.

[Jason Williams (J. Will)]

It's like he's on the other side.

[Francis]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Harry]

Wait a minute. That's where he lived. That's where they lived.

[Jason Williams (J. Will)]

Correct.

[Harry]

He and Ellen Nordegren.

[Jason Williams (J. Will)]

Correct.

[Harry]

Wow.

[Roan]

Because I thought that there was like. I thought that right after that. Didn't. Didn't he like drive down the street and like hit a bunch of cars or something?

[Jason Williams (J. Will)]

Actually hit a fire hydrant trying to get away in reverse.

[Roan]

In your neighborhood?

[Jason Williams (J. Will)]

Yeah. Really? You know what? I was wondering if he hit the fire hydrant like on a cartoon, you know, when the water shoots straight up.

[Francis]

Yeah.

[Roan]

That is a good question. I didn't know.

[Francis]

I don't know why I thought he.

[Roan]

Was in that, like Jupiter, Florida.

[Francis]

That was the other. That was the second time.

[Harry]

Yeah. I would have assumed that too.

[Jason Williams (J. Will)]

Yeah. That's where. I think that's where he went after the divorce.

[Harry]

I think that's where he lives now.

[Jason Williams (J. Will)]

Yeah.

[Roan]

Got it.

[Jason Williams (J. Will)]

Didn't he get.

[Francis]

Remember when he got. He got that mug shot, like, the recent one? Yeah, I think that was in Jupiter, Florida.

[Jason Williams (J. Will)]

Yeah, I think that's. That's when he was talking about driving down the street, banging into different cars.

[Harry]

Yeah, well, he was on. He was.

[Francis]

He was on Zans.

[Harry]

Yeah.

[Jason Williams (J. Will)]

Yeah, I'm gonna do it.

[Roan]

Did you ever run into him?

[Francis]

Yeah.

[Roan]

Did you ever met him?

[Jason Williams (J. Will)]

Once at the clubhouse. Yeah. Kind of nervous. There's, like, three people that I'd love to meet in my life. Tiger Woods, Roger Federer, and Tom Brady. I've met one tagger. I was nervous as hell. He was eating breakfast. I didn't want to bother him, but I. I mean, that's Tiger Woods.

[Roan]

Did you contextualize yourself? Were you like, hey.

[Jason Williams (J. Will)]

No, I just said, hey. I just want to say, not a big fan. Blah, blah, blah. But then I got. Later on in life, I got to meet Sean Foley, his coach, and he got a master's flag signed to me from Taggart, which is great.

[Harry]

Did you ask for that?

[Jason Williams (J. Will)]

You know, not really. I just. Sean knew what kind of fan I was. I'm a huge Tiger woods fan.

[Harry]

Yeah.

[Jason Williams (J. Will)]

And I guess he put two and two together and did me a blessing.

[Harry]

I don't know that. That. It's. I would think that Tiger woods knows who you are.

[Jason Williams (J. Will)]

Well, I'm not so sure about that, but I definitely know who Tiger woods is. That's.

[Harry]

Yeah, right.

[Roan]

He was telling me a story today that how, like, he met Kevin Durant, and like Kevin Durant said, he used to wear number 55 because of him.

[Jason Williams (J. Will)]

Yeah, that was. That. That sh. Up a little bit. I mean, just me walking in the gym to be able to watch him work out in the summer.

[Francis]

Yeah.

[Jason Williams (J. Will)]

Had me shook up a little bit because I. That's Kevin Durant.

[Harry]

I once got detention in sixth grade because me and Andrew Decker. Feather off. Wrote white boy on our knuckles.

[Jason Williams (J. Will)]

No way. That's funny you say that.

[Harry]

My French teacher was like, you can't. You can't race yourself in bic pen.

[Jason Williams (J. Will)]

Webb Simpson. I met Webb Simpson one day, and he told me that his caddy did the same thing, and he got in a lot of trouble from his parents for that.

[Harry]

Swear to God, I don't know that story, so I'm not stealing it.

[Jason Williams (J. Will)]

Wow, that's great.

[Roan]

But you and Andrew Decker. Feather Off.

[Harry]

Andrew Decker, Feather and off. And I both did that.

[Francis]

A first name or.

[Harry]

He went first. He did it. He was a couple years older than I was, and I looked up to him, which. Choose your heroes. More wisely. But I, I, he did it and then I did it. And then my French teacher, he was the type of kid that could do it. We all knew he was going to do that kind of thing.

[Francis]

Yeah.

[Jason Williams (J. Will)]

Well, I'm not so sure how to take this the way you're talking about my tattoos.

[Harry]

Let's put it this way. It works in the NBA.

[Jason Williams (J. Will)]

My man. That's right.

[Harry]

In French class at Wayne Fleet in sixth grade. Not going to fly.

[Jason Williams (J. Will)]

I agree. The guy that actually did it, he told me he wouldn't. He wouldn't have done them if I wasn't in the NBA.

[Harry]

Is that so?

[Francis]

Really?

[Jason Williams (J. Will)]

Yeah.

[Roan]

Why? Because it's too like prisoner.

[Jason Williams (J. Will)]

I'm not so sure. I didn't ask why. I had the money to get to work.

[Roan]

Andrew Decker. Feather off. Sounds like a Native American.

[Jason Williams (J. Will)]

Yeah. I would hate to have that name and forget to put my name on my paper and have Write my name 100 times.

[Harry]

Sure.

[Jason Williams (J. Will)]

Horrible.

[Roan]

Bart Simpson with the Andrew, duck your feather off. I didn't even know about the white boy on the knuckles.

[Jason Williams (J. Will)]

What do you mean you ain't. You ain't a true fan.

[Roan]

Bronic e boy. Did you know?

[Harry]

Of course.

[Jason Williams (J. Will)]

See what I'm saying?

[Francis]

I was in with Featherbacher. Me and him were.

[Roan]

How'd you make him Jewish?

[Jason Williams (J. Will)]

Feather.

[Roan]

You an old feather.

[Jason Williams (J. Will)]

That's great. What made you guys do that? Really?

[Harry]

Well, he was a huge fan of yours.

[Jason Williams (J. Will)]

Okay.

[Harry]

And I was a huge fan of his.

[Francis]

What's his name?

[Jason Williams (J. Will)]

Adams.

[Harry]

The communicative property.

[Jason Williams (J. Will)]

Adam.

[Harry]

I'm sorry.

[Jason Williams (J. Will)]

Adam.

[Harry]

Is his name Andrew?

[Jason Williams (J. Will)]

Andrew. Shout out to Andrew.

[Francis]

Shout out. Andrew.

[Roan]

Is he still with us?

[Harry]

I don't know.

[Francis]

This will be a crazy. He'll be blown away seeing that.

[Harry]

I'm not sure. He was a very good lacrosse player, but potentially a wayward soul. I. He ended up switching schools. And then in an ironic twist of fate, years later, I switched to the same school that he had switched to. I didn't follow him. I was over it by that point. But he ended up. I used to have to like to get him dropping me off on the way home from lacrosse practice. I was somewhat on the way home for him, but not really. So I would.

[Jason Williams (J. Will)]

That means not at all.

[Harry]

Like, it was not that far out of the way. And so I would pay him $5 to drive me home, which adds up every day. Not every day, just here and there. But he, he would say, like, boy, I could really use the gas money. Think of what the price of gas must have been if $5 was really making a difference in his gas money.

[Jason Williams (J. Will)]

Yeah.

[Roan]

$5 a day, but that's $25 a week.

[Harry]

It wasn't every day. It wasn't every day. I. I spread. Spread this around. He was also the only one that charged me.

[Jason Williams (J. Will)]

Why wouldn't you just ask someone else? Then?

[Harry]

I lit. He lived like five towns away.

[Jason Williams (J. Will)]

Yeah.

[Harry]

And I lived two towns away.

[Jason Williams (J. Will)]

Okay.

[Harry]

So all the kids. Other kids lived in that town. That was at the public school, but he and I were the only two kids that didn't live in that town. We both tuitioned in because it was.

[Roan]

He had to go out to the reservation and.

[Harry]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Roan]

He was all the way out there.

[Francis]

Yeah.

[Roan]

Damn, that's so sick. What a legend. You. You never played lacrosse, did you?

[Jason Williams (J. Will)]

No.

[Francis]

You always just ball.

[Jason Williams (J. Will)]

I played basketball, football and baseball. Oh, nice.

[Francis]

All the balls.

[Jason Williams (J. Will)]

Yeah. But lacrosse. Except those balls.

[Harry]

Yeah.

[Jason Williams (J. Will)]

Yeah. Lacrosse was too physical. I quit. I quit football and baseball, too, in like my freshman year. I was scared I'd get hurt. I wouldn't be able to play basketball.

[Francis]

Yeah, it makes sense. Gotta prioritize.

[Jason Williams (J. Will)]

Yeah. I didn't want any. Any. Any physical contact in any sports.

[Francis]

No, neither away from that.

[Roan]

You feel like it's pretty physical.

[Jason Williams (J. Will)]

I do.

[Harry]

Yeah.

[Jason Williams (J. Will)]

Women's lacrosse is really physical. I don't know that because my daughter played a little bit in high school.

[Harry]

It's not as physical as men's.

[Francis]

I feel like men's lacrosse, like, hurts. Like, I feel like the whole time I played, I would just be in. I played for, like two years. I would just be in pain.

[Jason Williams (J. Will)]

Yeah. Like, I would just throw the ball at you instead of trying to score. I'll just try to.

[Francis]

Yeah. Just get rid of it.

[Harry]

Yeah.

[Francis]

You're like, I don't want to be the guy.

[Jason Williams (J. Will)]

Yeah, I'm good.

[Roan]

Francis wanted to be the guy. You're like. I know that you were.

[Francis]

What was your position?

[Harry]

Midfield?

[Francis]

Long stick?

[Jason Williams (J. Will)]

No, that's.

[Harry]

I was. I was. I was an all American high school American.

[Jason Williams (J. Will)]

Oh, wow.

[Harry]

Yeah.

[Jason Williams (J. Will)]

Like, is that like defense or all. Is that.

[Harry]

You can go both ways.

[Jason Williams (J. Will)]

Both ways.

[Harry]

So the trans of lacrosse.

[Jason Williams (J. Will)]

Okay.

[Harry]

Yeah.

[Roan]

The transitive property. That's nice. That's a. It's. It's a tough sport. It's an athletic. You have to be pretty athletic. And I just feel like you're just getting whacked with a pole so much.

[Harry]

Yeah. People mock it all the time. It's just like a white, super elitist sport. I've said this before, but it's like, I laugh because when people use Lacrosse as a punchline. And they're like, yes, you probably played lacrosse. It's like, well, you should have seen some of the sports that I considered pretentious.

[Francis]

Yeah.

[Harry]

Like, we had. We had a polo team, an actual polo team.

[Roan]

Really?

[Harry]

Their uniforms were blazers. I think they wore ties while they were playing.

[Francis]

That's. How do you even get in? Is that like you got into Harvard and you're like, I guess I'll try out for the polo team? Or is that like they were playing polo their whole life?

[Harry]

It was a club team. And I think people that had loved horses and money.

[Roan]

That's a big money thing towards it.

[Harry]

Well, yeah. There was this one family that owned 12 polo ponies.

[Francis]

Jesus.

[Harry]

And so they sort of subsidized the whole program, and the team would have to drive two hours away to their farm, their grounds.

[Francis]

Yeah.

[Harry]

In order to practice.

[Roan]

There's like a F1 equivalent type of show, I think, on Netflix about the people who play polo. And it's like just Ferraris and even the soirees.

[Francis]

Race cars. Yeah.

[Roan]

It's just like very high end.

[Francis]

Yeah. I've always wondered that, how you. How people get into that. But I think that's just. You just got to be born into that.

[Jason Williams (J. Will)]

Right. I'm not so sure. I've never once in my life thought about racing that or riding a horse.

[Francis]

Yeah.

[Harry]

You never thought about riding a horse?

[Jason Williams (J. Will)]

Never in my life.

[Harry]

Come on.

[Roan]

And he's from West Virginia, too, brother. You don't ride horses in West Virginia.

[Jason Williams (J. Will)]

Yeah, of course, but just not you. No, I'm not. No, I'm not. I'm not. I'm not that type of person. To interact with animals.

[Francis]

Oh, animals in general.

[Jason Williams (J. Will)]

Those kind of animals.

[Francis]

Yeah.

[Jason Williams (J. Will)]

Dolphins and like that.

[Roan]

Yeah.

[Jason Williams (J. Will)]

I would never get in.

[Harry]

I wouldn't have put those two family. I was thinking, like livestock stock.

[Jason Williams (J. Will)]

Yeah. Yeah. I'm more like of a dog guy.

[Harry]

Yeah.

[Francis]

Yeah.

[Harry]

Dogs, pets.

[Jason Williams (J. Will)]

To hell with horses and cows and all that.

[Roan]

I do kind of put. I see how dolphins are in the same category as horses.

[Francis]

Oh, yeah.

[Roan]

Just like big and kind of like intel or like a spiritual mysticism about them. Like a little bit smart.

[Harry]

They're both animals that if one of your Latin American cousins passed away, someone would spray paint a memorial shirt with them in, like, some kind of sunset way.

[Jason Williams (J. Will)]

Yeah.

[Francis]

Dolphins jumping out of the water.

[Harry]

We miss you every day.

[Francis]

Yeah.

[Jason Williams (J. Will)]

Yeah.

[Roan]

I love riding a horse.

[Jason Williams (J. Will)]

Really?

[Roan]

So fun. I think it's so nice.

[Harry]

What?

[Roan]

But my wife doesn't like it. She's a. She's like, you. She, like, gets scared. But the horses know when you're scared.

[Jason Williams (J. Will)]

Yeah, but they don't know when you tell the stop.

[Roan]

Yeah, they do. Yeah.

[Francis]

No, they got.

[Jason Williams (J. Will)]

They choose to stop. You don't have to slow.

[Harry]

You say, whoa.

[Jason Williams (J. Will)]

Yeah, whoa.

[Harry]

You go, whoa, whoa, whoa.

[Jason Williams (J. Will)]

Or just. Yeah, yeah.

[Roan]

And just lean back. I feel like it's all just leaning and leaning.

[Harry]

There's a lot of ways to talk to them.

[Jason Williams (J. Will)]

Yeah.

[Francis]

I rode a horse in Wyoming, like, through a mountain, but I wasn't. It wasn't like I was solo. Like, I was on, like, a ranch where that was like. Yeah, they had, like, a guide through a mountain. Yeah, like, through a valley, I guess.

[Harry]

I was gonna say. Did you tunnel?

[Francis]

We went over them. We did go to the top of the mountain. It wasn't a big mountain, but it was still horrifying. And my horse. Yeah, my horse, like, the ears kept on going back, and the girl was like, yeah, that means that it's pissed. She was like, that one gets angry. And I was like. So, like, what do I do? Like, is it just gonna send me off the cliff or what are we doing?

[Jason Williams (J. Will)]

You didn't have no spurs on your boots?

[Francis]

Oh, no, I didn't. I think I was wearing sneakers.

[Roan]

That's. That's a faux pas, wearing sneakers. Even, like, wearing white socks under cowboy boots. They caught me with one time on the back of a horse, and I feel like it's just. You have to look the part if you're going to be on a horse.

[Francis]

Definitely.

[Harry]

I had. I had similar situation. We stayed at a ranch once. I think it was in Wyoming area, maybe my Montana and I, they had. The one thing they tell you is, don't drop the reins. Right. They're like. It's basically letting go of the steering wheel. And sure enough, I was really bored. I find myself bored because you're barely.

[Francis]

Moving half the time.

[Harry]

Yeah. You're just. Okay, you're sore.

[Jason Williams (J. Will)]

Are you sore after?

[Harry]

Well, it depends on your hip mobility, I would say.

[Jason Williams (J. Will)]

Mine's very limited.

[Harry]

Yeah, so is mine.

[Francis]

My balls hurt.

[Jason Williams (J. Will)]

Really? Yeah.

[Roan]

But you have super long balls.

[Francis]

Yeah, true. I got. They were on both sides.

[Harry]

He was sitting on, like, saddlebacks.

[Francis]

Yeah.

[Roan]

You did always have super long balls.

[Jason Williams (J. Will)]

So. So you let go of the reins. What?

[Roan]

Yeah.

[Harry]

As we were crossing through a sort of small creek, and, you know, it was as if I had injected the horse with lsd. It started freaking out because it got the reins caught around its face or something like that. And then to cope, it just chose to fall over like, just lay down. Not even, like, just humble. And it fell onto its side. And I had one leg pinned under the horse as it was thrashing around. I was eight years old.

[Francis]

Jesus.

[Harry]

Long before Andrew Decker Feather off days. And the guide rushed over because I'm in the creek, and I'm, like, half underwater and half out, you know? And he came over.

[Francis]

This actually happened.

[Harry]

Swear to God.

[Francis]

This is insane.

[Harry]

And he took a bowie knife and he cut a stirrup and then wrenched my leg free because it was trapped in the. On in the stirrup.

[Francis]

That's insane.

[Jason Williams (J. Will)]

Do you think?

[Harry]

And then, by the way. By the way, they, like, righted the horse and they put me back on the horse for the rest of the ride because at this point, we were miles from the ranch.

[Francis]

Yeah.

[Jason Williams (J. Will)]

So I, I, I blame you for getting back on the horse.

[Harry]

Yeah, well, he's eight.

[Jason Williams (J. Will)]

Who was you with? I'm just gonna hop on that horse with y'.

[Francis]

All.

[Roan]

With mom. You're back.

[Harry]

I don't know if there was a whole lot of, like, double horsing.

[Jason Williams (J. Will)]

Oh, we were thinking of camel that day. Yeah.

[Roan]

Yeah.

[Jason Williams (J. Will)]

This other horse can lay dead in the creek.

[Harry]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. But they. They did blame me, and I guess in hindsight, it was my fault. I think horse people will know that if you drop the reins.

[Roan]

You're eight, though. It's like, what the fuck?

[Harry]

Yeah, I shouldn't have been.

[Jason Williams (J. Will)]

But he knew the rule.

[Harry]

He knew the rule is the one rule.

[Jason Williams (J. Will)]

Yeah.

[Francis]

They should have duct taped the reins to your hands.

[Jason Williams (J. Will)]

That's the type of reason I won't get on a horse. Because even if you don't let go of the reins, if the motherfucker wants to take off running fast as he wants, that he's going to.

[Harry]

He will.

[Jason Williams (J. Will)]

And y' all think he's just a. Whoa.

[Harry]

No.

[Francis]

They also get, like, scared, like cats.

[Jason Williams (J. Will)]

Yeah. I'm not a cat guy.

[Francis]

Really? I'm a big cat guy.

[Jason Williams (J. Will)]

Are you?

[Francis]

Oh, I love cats.

[Harry]

Do you?

[Francis]

Yeah, they're the best.

[Jason Williams (J. Will)]

I'm not so sure about that. Better than dogs.

[Francis]

I don't know if I'd say they're better than dogs, but they're.

[Jason Williams (J. Will)]

They're.

[Francis]

They're neck and neck.

[Jason Williams (J. Will)]

I don't know about that.

[Francis]

They're so good.

[Roan]

Really?

[Jason Williams (J. Will)]

How can you say that? And they just. They're weird.

[Francis]

Yeah, they're hilarious. You ever, like, sit and just watch a cat?

[Jason Williams (J. Will)]

No, I'm scared to death of a cat.

[Francis]

You got to get a nice, small cat.

[Jason Williams (J. Will)]

And then I watch it, like, if I walk into someone's house. And with cats, you know, they shit over there in this box, right. And then they. Up on the counter.

[Francis]

Yeah, yeah.

[Jason Williams (J. Will)]

And then you expect me to put some food there and eat off that counter where they just tracked in their shit on this counter.

[Francis]

I feel like dogs.

[Jason Williams (J. Will)]

Dogs aren't on the counter.

[Francis]

They're always jumping up, though.

[Jason Williams (J. Will)]

They are, they are, but they're not shitting in a box. They shit outside and don't ever walk in it.

[Francis]

Yeah, but they shit outside and then they're like they're smelling the shit. They're licking it. Dogs eat shit.

[Jason Williams (J. Will)]

I don't want to. I don't want to take your love away Away from.

[Francis]

No, no, I get it. But I get it. Francis is anti cat too, so.

[Harry]

Hate him.

[Jason Williams (J. Will)]

Yeah, I hate him too. As a matter of fact, I probably shouldn't tell this, but I'm going to. First time on the podcast, right? Yeah.

[Harry]

Yeah.

[Jason Williams (J. Will)]

As a kid, when we grew up in West Virginia, we used to find stray cats.

[Francis]

Yeah.

[Jason Williams (J. Will)]

And take them in a bucket of paint. Ski.

[Francis]

Oh, just the tail.

[Jason Williams (J. Will)]

No, our hand doesn't get.

[Harry]

Oh.

[Francis]

Ski.

[Jason Williams (J. Will)]

And then we kind of.

[Roan]

They.

[Jason Williams (J. Will)]

They did. I never did it.

[Harry]

What do you mean? Ski.

[Jason Williams (J. Will)]

Yeah, just duck them, Dunk them down.

[Francis]

Yeah, yeah.

[Jason Williams (J. Will)]

And then we stand on top of the football bleachers.

[Francis]

Ski.

[Jason Williams (J. Will)]

Oh, and they always lay on their.

[Francis]

Feet, Right, Yeah, of course, of course. I feel like you probably could have done that without the paint though, right?

[Jason Williams (J. Will)]

I don't know why.

[Francis]

I don't know why.

[Jason Williams (J. Will)]

I didn't do it. My buddies did it.

[Harry]

Was it to create a pattern on the field?

[Jason Williams (J. Will)]

I'd like for you guys to come and see where we grew up. And that's why you would realize that's why we were.

[Harry]

I had a toy, I think that was some sort of like paint by spiral. You know, you could spin something. It would.

[Jason Williams (J. Will)]

Yeah.

[Harry]

Similar. But we didn't do it with cats.

[Jason Williams (J. Will)]

Yeah, well, so you were riding horses and shit. We. You wasn't as fortunate as you growing up.

[Harry]

Yeah.

[Jason Williams (J. Will)]

You know what I mean?

[Roan]

Different cats and paint.

[Jason Williams (J. Will)]

That's right. That's right.

[Harry]

What the.

[Roan]

What color paint?

[Jason Williams (J. Will)]

Oh, it depends. It could be red, blue, whatever.

[Roan]

You know what I mean?

[Francis]

Whatever can you could find.

[Harry]

Yeah, but paint's expensive.

[Jason Williams (J. Will)]

Well, they're stealing it somewhere from Sony, Sherwin Williams. Yeah, yeah.

[Roan]

Go to Mab Paints. You know, cats were just licking themselves forever to get cleaned off that paint. But also, I mean, you were doing to cats. Cats do to humans all the time. Like, they'll just go onto A shelf and push a vase off.

[Jason Williams (J. Will)]

Yeah, cats. Cats are stupid more than anything.

[Francis]

They're definitely dumb. But I would say their IQ level is similar to a dog.

[Jason Williams (J. Will)]

A dog way smart. How many cats you seen out there in war? Not one.

[Francis]

Cats are always. But cats will be out on the streets for years.

[Jason Williams (J. Will)]

Yeah, yeah. Smelling like ass, that's what. Yeah.

[Francis]

But they're making, making their living. They're surviving.

[Jason Williams (J. Will)]

No, not like a dog. Dog goes, you see way more stray dogs than stray cats cuz them dumbass cats can't survive.

[Harry]

You don't see any cats helping blind people, that's for sure.

[Francis]

That is true.

[Harry]

You don't seeing eye cats.

[Roan]

Cats are probably rob a blind person. They probably like dink into there.

[Jason Williams (J. Will)]

No cat helps. No, not in any shape, form or fashion.

[Harry]

Yeah.

[Jason Williams (J. Will)]

How does a cat help you?

[Harry]

If you had like an emotional support cat, it's going to do what like AI does and be like, you know what, you're right, you probably should kill yourself.

[Francis]

That's right. Yeah, yeah. AI classic.

[Roan]

They're the, the horses have, they're like prey animals. Like they have their eyes on the side of their head because they're like prey. Cats are predators. Like they have their on the front of their head. Same with dogs. Their eyes are on the front of their head. So anything that has their eyes on the side of the head, like they're inherently prey. So they're gonna be scared and get spooked and they're always just like looking around giving that like horse eye, you know what I mean? Cats are after it though. Cats are gonna bring you a canary or something like that and be like, yeah, I killed this for you. Yeah, that's the nicest thing that they'll do. They won't go to war on like your side, but they'll like, they'll go and do like a one off. They'll commit like an assassination for.

[Jason Williams (J. Will)]

Yeah, for you.

[Francis]

Yeah, yeah.

[Roan]

They're like a CIA agent. They're not a soldier. Yeah, dogs are soldiers. Cat will just go and.

[Francis]

Yeah, I would say CIA agent. That makes sense.

[Roan]

You know what I mean?

[Francis]

Yeah, that's a good comparison.

[Harry]

Jason. I, I find that is, is Jason.

[Jason Williams (J. Will)]

Okay, well yeah, that sounds great.

[Francis]

Okay.

[Harry]

What do you go by? Jwell?

[Jason Williams (J. Will)]

Yeah.

[Harry]

Oh, okay.

[Jason Williams (J. Will)]

That's better.

[Harry]

I'm sorry.

[Jason Williams (J. Will)]

Don't ever be sorry. You wrote white boy on your knuckles, bro.

[Francis]

Yeah, true, true.

[Roan]

Come on, you could call him white for white chocolate.

[Harry]

Oh right. Abc.

[Jason Williams (J. Will)]

We'll stick with J Will. Yeah. Yes.

[Harry]

Back to J Will.

[Jason Williams (J. Will)]

Yeah, yeah.

[Harry]

Now I Can't remember what I was. Oh yeah. I was gonna say when you meet somebody and you find out that they are a cat person or they have cats or you enter the home of someone with cats. Doesn't it just. You can't even help yourself. You judge that person.

[Jason Williams (J. Will)]

Oh yeah. They're. They're damn near to the bottom of my list. I'm never. I'm never going to go back and that.

[Harry]

Never going back. Never.

[Roan]

What if they have a dog too? What if they have a dog and a cat?

[Jason Williams (J. Will)]

I know that's still the same category.

[Francis]

What about two dogs, one cat?

[Jason Williams (J. Will)]

A cat is off limits for me.

[Harry]

Yeah.

[Jason Williams (J. Will)]

Parts of life.

[Harry]

What do you think it says about that person? What does exactly that mean from a personality or my opinion.

[Jason Williams (J. Will)]

This is my opinion. I think that they're weird. It'd be a little weird if you own a cat. It's just. Just up. Really? Because a cat. A cat brings nothing to the table for me. What does it bring to the table?

[Roan]

I think it's people who want companionship without responsibility. They want one sided relationship. So they're like, I want to have a pet who I can cuddle with and make feel nice. But I don't really want to take care of it. This is cool.

[Francis]

Is dog owner propaganda. That's all I'm here.

[Roan]

This is.

[Francis]

Yeah.

[Jason Williams (J. Will)]

There's so many more options you can do that with other than a cat. True.

[Roan]

Like a bird.

[Jason Williams (J. Will)]

A person. How about that? Let's start with that.

[Roan]

No. You have to take care of a person like a cat will.

[Jason Williams (J. Will)]

No.

[Roan]

You know, there's.

[Jason Williams (J. Will)]

There's the way where we're at in this world today. Swiping and all that bomb. You can call. They'd be over here. Do. Do whatever you got to do that you want that cat to do.

[Francis]

Do.

[Jason Williams (J. Will)]

And then kick them out. They're done. You ain't got to take care of nobody.

[Harry]

No.

[Jason Williams (J. Will)]

But a cat you got. Man. Come on, man. You gonna set a box over there in the living room that you want your cat to go over and in. And here you are, we're sitting with your girl on the couch trying to do something vile.

[Harry]

Right. Unsanitary.

[Roan]

And then the cat.

[Jason Williams (J. Will)]

Y' all ever doing what you do in the bed now? And the cat's over there and ran up and on your head. Her head.

[Francis]

I don't know.

[Jason Williams (J. Will)]

I'm good. Scratch the shit out of you.

[Francis]

That is true.

[Jason Williams (J. Will)]

Bucket of paint. Yeah.

[Roan]

There has to be a statute of limitations that's passed on. Oh yeah.

[Jason Williams (J. Will)]

Excuse me. That Was back in like, 89 90.

[Roan]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, that was fine. That was fine.

[Francis]

Yeah.

[Jason Williams (J. Will)]

Go back to Bill. There ain't no stray cats, I'll bet you. Yeah.

[Roan]

Or they're like. They're, like, rocked up and like, hardened orange. Yeah. Just stiff. That's the mascot. What's your pro cat? What? Give us a little pro cat propaganda.

[Francis]

Oh, me?

[Harry]

Yeah.

[Roan]

You love cats.

[Jason Williams (J. Will)]

Of the whole world. There's any pro.

[Francis]

I like all animals. I like. I'm a big animal guy, so, I mean, I have dogs. We have a cat. I like them all.

[Jason Williams (J. Will)]

They're great.

[Francis]

It's best of both worlds.

[Roan]

That's two of them.

[Harry]

Yeah, but that. That defense is weird. Well, it's just also, like, there's. There's nothing. You said just like a cat. All animals, you had to incorporate other species in order to make the defense.

[Francis]

I guess cats, I mean, they're like dog. They are similar to dogs.

[Harry]

Don't you dare.

[Jason Williams (J. Will)]

They really are. Because they have four legs.

[Francis]

Because they have four legs. And they're also just. They're smaller. You know, you can pick them up, throw them around, like, you know, you can ski them, but you could ski them in the comfort of your own home, too.

[Jason Williams (J. Will)]

Yeah.

[Francis]

And then they. And then they start liking it. They come running back. They're like, I want. Grab me by the tail again, Throw my around, Double dip me back in the paint.

[Roan]

I saw someone on Instagram posted, like, a video of them on their couch, and it's a couple, and they're just lounging there with their dog, their cat, a pig, and a rat runs over them, and they just have all of them and the pigs just. They're snoring. And their kind of defense is like, we love all animals, but I think having the dog and the cat is even a step towards having the rat and the pig.

[Francis]

Yeah, the rat and the pig. That's freak. Even, like, people that have cat. Like, you ever see those people that have, like, they'll have, like, a puma. Yeah, that's. They're a freak.

[Jason Williams (J. Will)]

Yeah, I agree.

[Roan]

Or like a lynx.

[Francis]

Or like. Yeah, get a regular domesticated cat, whoever.

[Jason Williams (J. Will)]

You saw that video. She was a pig. She wanted someone like her.

[Harry]

That's true. I think people do get the animal that. That they think is who they are. Right. You are. Have you ever heard that? Like, you are your pet.

[Francis]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Roan]

Or like, there's accounts where people look like their dogs walking around.

[Harry]

So I think having a cat means you have cat personality. You are like a cat, AKA weird Yeah. Or just like, very antisocial. Keep weird hours.

[Francis]

Some people, they go to their. They bring their cats out and about. You know, they're.

[Harry]

They're.

[Francis]

They're taking their cats with them everywhere.

[Jason Williams (J. Will)]

Everywhere.

[Roan]

Put them on a string and walk them.

[Francis]

Yeah, exactly.

[Jason Williams (J. Will)]

Have you ever seen a cat on an airplane? Like, you see a dog?

[Harry]

No, thank God.

[Francis]

Yes, I actually think I have.

[Jason Williams (J. Will)]

Really?

[Francis]

I saw a dude. No, not loose. In a. Yes or no? No, I haven't.

[Roan]

Yeah, just in a box. In like a little carrying.

[Francis]

In a box. In a carrying box, yeah.

[Jason Williams (J. Will)]

Cats. Good. The world would be a better place without cats.

[Harry]

Completely agree.

[Jason Williams (J. Will)]

It would. How much do cats cost?

[Francis]

Like 20 bucks.

[Jason Williams (J. Will)]

But don't they have, like. Like a Persian cat or other? Like.

[Francis]

Oh, yeah, you can get. You could probably get some expensive cats.

[Roan]

Siamese.

[Jason Williams (J. Will)]

Oh, yeah. Okay.

[Roan]

Something like that. Hairless, allergenic cats. I think cats in the wild are way scarier than a dog in the wild, too. Especially like a mountain lion or something like that. Like encountering a mountain lion on a path.

[Jason Williams (J. Will)]

You'd rather count a mountain lion or.

[Harry]

A wolf.

[Francis]

For sure.

[Roan]

I think mountain lions, there's better paths to being able to beat them than a little.

[Francis]

They say if you see a mountain lion, it's already been. It's already been stalking you for, like, hours.

[Harry]

That's tough. That's a tough question. Wolf or mountain lion in the wild? Let's think about that for a second. Right. The wolves. The wolf's threat is the mouth. I think the mountain lion's threat is mouth and paws.

[Francis]

Yeah.

[Harry]

Is the wolf wolf attacking you with paws?

[Francis]

Probably can, but it's not even close to what a mountain lion's. Pause.

[Roan]

And we're talking to a lone wolf, right? Not a wolf pack.

[Harry]

Well, so that's the fear is that if you see a wolf, there's probably four or five others right behind it.

[Jason Williams (J. Will)]

Dumbass cat by itself.

[Roan]

Yeah. I have heard that if you see a mountain lion on a trail, you're supposed to, like, kind of make yourself, like, big and like that, like, start making noise, banging sticks, banging rocks and stuff like that cat.

[Harry]

I. That the best way to scare it off is to just go try to pat it and get love from it. It is a cat after all. Like what you. Yeah, I don't want to get the.

[Roan]

Away from me.

[Harry]

I live for myself, you guys.

[Francis]

Have you guys got no good cat experiences? This is what it's coming down to.

[Roan]

They have acidic urine.

[Jason Williams (J. Will)]

Cats are useless. Useless.

[Harry]

You don't know when it's gonna go from that thing where it's leaning in and sort of nuzzling, which is nice to. To war furious.

[Francis]

Yeah, you're right. You're right about that. But I don. Angry. I think they're just trying to play. No, no, definitely not. Oh, trying to get away to play.

[Jason Williams (J. Will)]

They love to chase a light that you shine on your ski right here.

[Francis]

I love that little laser beam.

[Jason Williams (J. Will)]

Dumb ass cat would do that all day and never get it.

[Francis]

I get great in like bode in bodegas. You ever see a bodega cat?

[Jason Williams (J. Will)]

No, but I don't. Here's all I want from this conversation today. I don't want you walking out here not being a Jay Will fan.

[Francis]

No, I'm a J. Will fan for life.

[Jason Williams (J. Will)]

Okay? Please.

[Harry]

I'm a white boy.

[Jason Williams (J. Will)]

Don't let me deter your cat. Lovey.

[Francis]

No, nothing will.

[Jason Williams (J. Will)]

Nothing will determine because I'm going to keep calling you weird until we die.

[Francis]

That's all good.

[Roan]

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[Roan]

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[Francis]

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[Roan]

How are you guys? Flights from Orlando Orlando's got the Best.

[Jason Williams (J. Will)]

Airport in the world. Don't they smooth. No lines.

[Harry]

My God.

[Francis]

I've never. Dude, I. I turned the corner, I felt like I. You know, when you, like, you can feel it in the back of the throat. You're like, I'm a. Am I going to start crying?

[Harry]

I was worried about you, your level. I've never seen you that anxious before.

[Jason Williams (J. Will)]

Of what?

[Harry]

When we got to our gate and you didn't have food yet and you saw that the line and you were like. Like, us having to just trying to get on the plane was unlike.

[Jason Williams (J. Will)]

Why those. Because of so many people.

[Harry]

It was Monday night, MLK day. My guess is that it's, like, the busiest weekend.

[Jason Williams (J. Will)]

Okay.

[Harry]

Of the year, maybe to go to fucking Disney World. I don't know.

[Jason Williams (J. Will)]

Every check and all that stuff was crazy.

[Harry]

No, fortunately, I mean, I have pre check and clear, so I was.

[Francis]

Was.

[Harry]

It was as if he went right through.

[Jason Williams (J. Will)]

I have only had.

[Francis]

I have only clear. And it took me probably, what, 40 minutes.

[Harry]

40 minutes.

[Francis]

Yeah.

[Harry]

There was a. The regular line. It truly was, like, it looked like Ellis island when people were, you know, getting their tonsils checked.

[Francis]

Literally, it was like. There was like. It was like, three different lines, and it wasn't even. They weren't even lines. There was no, like, separators or anything. It was just.

[Harry]

Yeah.

[Francis]

Thousands of people just standing, not moving. Like, they weren't moving at all. I waited in that line for, like, two minutes.

[Harry]

Yeah.

[Francis]

And I was like, oh, this isn't moving. Like, there's no order here. This is just people just standing.

[Harry]

Yeah, it's just groups of, like, families with daughters who had, you know, competed in these, like, cheerleading competitions and for whatever reason, were still bedazzled.

[Francis]

Yeah.

[Harry]

Sequined mascara is running as they cry from, like, the fact that they're, you know, miserable and hot and nobody's. Everyone's scared. It's a scary airport.

[Jason Williams (J. Will)]

And then you have to get on that train. That's from 1950.

[Harry]

Yeah.

[Francis]

The train I hate. Anytime you're in an airport and you got to get on a train, Atlanta's.

[Roan]

Death put you on the train.

[Francis]

Atlanta's like, you're taking, like, three trains.

[Jason Williams (J. Will)]

Yeah. And then you have to run a 4, 240 to make your flight.

[Roan]

Phoenix has a train. I think Phoenix has, like, a long, long train. There's. Yeah, the train's brutal.

[Harry]

Let's start really quickly with the morning, though, because we. We were originally supposed to fly Sunday night, spend the night in a hotel in Orlando, wake up, play golf, come home Monday night. And both of us said that we. We want to minimize the amount of time we spend in Orlando.

[Jason Williams (J. Will)]

May I ask why?

[Francis]

I don't even think it was Orlando specific. It was more so just trying to get in and out.

[Jason Williams (J. Will)]

Yeah. It seems as to me as you really didn't really want to go from the get go.

[Harry]

I think that's fair.

[Francis]

It's a fair assumption.

[Harry]

Yeah, that's fair.

[Francis]

It wasn't like we didn't want. It wasn't like I was dreading.

[Jason Williams (J. Will)]

Yeah, yeah.

[Francis]

But it was more so just like this, you know, because I'm not a big golf guy anyway. So it's like. But it was fun. We had a good time. We switched our flight.

[Harry]

We switched our flight to.

[Roan]

Well, were you excited about the original flight?

[Francis]

Right.

[Harry]

Yeah. Well. Right. So to bring you in a little. A big part of what we talk about here on Son of a Boy dad is our. Our flights that we take. Our. Our differing levels of status on specifically Delta Airlines. Once upon a time I was designated as a first class traveler here at Barstool Sports.

[Jason Williams (J. Will)]

May I interrupt? What does. What made you that like how'd you get on that list?

[Harry]

I was frequently traveling with. With this golf group which is a high earning group at Barstool.

[Jason Williams (J. Will)]

Okay.

[Harry]

And as a result of my attachment with them, they had said okay, he keeps flying with us like he should be flying first class because they'll fly New York to Hawaii which is a 12 hour flight and to sit coach for that, you know, I'm not going. It's not great.

[Jason Williams (J. Will)]

Yeah. I wouldn't go.

[Harry]

But I had been happily and you know, luckily flying first class for a long time time. Ron is also was a designated first class traveler. Harry was not and couldn't handle it.

[Francis]

That I started asking questions. I started looking. I started looking places I shouldn't.

[Jason Williams (J. Will)]

Are you.

[Harry]

You.

[Jason Williams (J. Will)]

He's the rat around here.

[Francis]

Yeah, pretty much.

[Roan]

He pulled the.

[Francis]

The Jenga block. I didn't directly bring it. It wasn't like I called Dave, but it was my fault.

[Roan]

You made you put up the bat signal and Dave saw it.

[Francis]

Dave saw it. He shut it down.

[Harry]

I almost feel like we would have had a better shot at not having what happened happened if you had called Dave.

[Francis]

Probably. Yeah.

[Harry]

Yeah, probably. This was a big thing. This was a big problem and everyone. It was funny. But to everyone except me.

[Jason Williams (J. Will)]

Right.

[Harry]

I was the only victim. I think Roan's still good because he does a lot for Barstool. So I think he's still in a good spot. I am. I'm Truly, like, this was our first all. This was the first flight for work since Harry demoted me.

[Jason Williams (J. Will)]

Oh, really?

[Harry]

It was his.

[Francis]

This was like, what, four months ago?

[Harry]

Yeah, it was the first flight for work. And, you know, coincidence of coincidences, it. It's. We're flying together, which never.

[Francis]

Which we never did.

[Harry]

We don't fly. We don't often travel together. So the first flight since he gets me relegated from first class to coach, and we're on the plane to get together. So I said, let's fly on this flight on Friday evening, 6pm out of LaGuardia to Orlando. And we booked the flight and because of my status, I got upgraded to first class. Yeah.

[Francis]

Yeah. Thrill diamond medallion.

[Jason Williams (J. Will)]

You're pissed back there.

[Francis]

Well, no.

[Roan]

So he's texting me on the side. He's like, I'm excited. Like, this is going to be sick. How My first one, I got upgraded. Like, he's going to. Harry's in the back. Like, I'm about to make content.

[Harry]

I'm going to make content of it. Well, I wanted it to be a surprise. And I was like, I'm going to shoot. I'm going to send him my meal. I'm going to speak down to him. I'm going to be like, I hope he's okay back there. I'm going to tip the stewardess to, like, go check special treatment. You know what I mean? Like, it would be. Make it funny because this is a thing that people are invested in and on Saturday or something. Harry decides to his credit, that he wants to be able to finish the Patriots game, which was being played from 3 to 6pm on Sunday. So he's like, we should move our flight. He's. He decides he wants to move his flight later because it was going to.

[Roan]

Be on Sunday night, not Friday night. And it was going to be during the Patriots game, correct?

[Francis]

It would be like. Yeah, it would have been like, in the fourth.

[Jason Williams (J. Will)]

Yeah.

[Harry]

So instead of telling me, he just tells the bookers at barstool, like, change my flight to later.

[Francis]

You.

[Harry]

You told me after you'd already changed your flight.

[Francis]

Yeah, but I changed it solo. I just did it.

[Harry]

Oh, you changed it without telling me? That's all I'm saying.

[Francis]

No, but I told you before. I was like, I'm gonna probably change my flight.

[Roan]

You.

[Harry]

During our episode, when our episode edited, you were like, I'll probably change my.

[Francis]

Flight for the Patriots game. And then I did. And then I texted you and I was like, I changed my flight. Just a heads up.

[Harry]

You changed your flight. Yeah, look, it's not your fault that, like, I get that. To me, it was like, like I was bummed because I had this funny thing planned. Yeah.

[Francis]

I.

[Harry]

And now that was gone.

[Francis]

I it up.

[Jason Williams (J. Will)]

I'm.

[Francis]

Look, it's a problem. I got problems.

[Harry]

But whatever, that's fine.

[Francis]

But this is where I don't even have a cat.

[Harry]

This is where it starts to get even funnier. So now I'm like, oh, well, I still want to make a funny video or content.

[Jason Williams (J. Will)]

And for everybody else.

[Francis]

Yeah, yeah.

[Harry]

Because that's how this place works is like, we do very, like, Like, I don't know, slice of life, voyeuristic. And so I'm like, all right, well, then I should switch to Harry's flight as well. Right. So then I switched to his flight.

[Francis]

Which I didn't know he was going to do.

[Harry]

Well, why wouldn't I have done?

[Roan]

I don't know.

[Francis]

I just did. I wasn't thinking about it.

[Harry]

Also, fundamentally, it's like we should be splitting Ubers and, like, keeping costs down.

[Roan]

Yeah, of course.

[Francis]

But this was. We were also planning on getting in on Sunday, so I was just going to go to the hotel, though.

[Harry]

But I'm saying we would have split an Uber from.

[Francis]

True, true.

[Harry]

The Orlando airport to the hotel. Whatever. It doesn't matter. To finish this quickly. When I switched to his flight, of course I lost my first class seat and there was only one first class seat left on the plane, which he bought. So we went from me being in first class and him in coach to him in first class and me and coach. And it was all because he had, without consulting me, changed everything.

[Francis]

It was 100 bucks. How can you not agree?

[Harry]

Yeah, but, but the irony of this is that, like, I am. Look at the sweater I'm wearing. Like, I am perceived as this pretentious, like, you know, fucking douche. This guy cannot handle not flying in first class so much more than I can handle it to the end that, like, he will pay out of his own pocket to upgrade himself, whereas I wouldn't do that.

[Francis]

Yeah, no, I'm a big first class guy.

[Roan]

It's just.

[Francis]

I don't know why I'm not. Like we were talking, I mean, we were talking about it yesterday. Like you were saying you like to upgrade hotels.

[Harry]

Yeah, I would much rather pay more for like a nice hotel than a two and a half hour flight. I don't give a fuck if I'm flying coach.

[Francis]

For me, it's like the opposite. It's the opposite. I'll sleep in A tent if I have to. If it means I'm flying first.

[Jason Williams (J. Will)]

Really?

[Francis]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Roan]

Well, you also were. What seat did you get relegated to?

[Harry]

Yeah. So on this now, now we're flying.

[Jason Williams (J. Will)]

You're better. I'm sorry. You're better than me. I'd have took my ass back to the hotel and flew home the next morning.

[Harry]

We had to make the content. We still had to shoot, so. But then on, on like, I don't know when this was Sunday, I texted Harry because I was at, I have a place upstate and it was snowing like crazy, so I would have had to drive back for the 7:30pm flight. And I was like, this is kind of hairy. Like what do you.

[Francis]

And also Rams Bears ended up being a heater. So.

[Harry]

So I was like, dude, there's a 7am flight if you want to change again in the morning. 7am which would get us in in plenty of time to, to play golf. But now we're doing a round trip flight to Orlando for the day.

[Jason Williams (J. Will)]

Yeah. And playing golf.

[Francis]

Yeah, yeah.

[Harry]

And, and Harry was like, oh, that's a great idea. Let's do that. So once again we switched independently and once again, Harry.

[Francis]

No, I, I, it stuck. I didn't buy.

[Harry]

Oh, you just, yeah, just carried.

[Francis]

Well, because I paid for it originally.

[Harry]

Still got his, his first class seat.

[Francis]

I might be wrong. I think I might have paid more.

[Harry]

Oh, you paid.

[Francis]

I think, I think it, When I transferred, they were like, it's going to be an additional.

[Harry]

How much? I don't remember that matters.

[Francis]

I think it was another hundred.

[Harry]

Yeah. So you're in for another two. 100 bucks.

[Francis]

Another two. I'm too deep now.

[Jason Williams (J. Will)]

But you're good. You're first class.

[Francis]

But I'm, but I'm first class.

[Harry]

7:00Am Flight. Right. So we're up at five.

[Jason Williams (J. Will)]

Yeah, I do that every Monday.

[Harry]

You do?

[Jason Williams (J. Will)]

Yes, sir.

[Francis]

He does it, he goes here and back.

[Harry]

Does that not give you anxiety?

[Jason Williams (J. Will)]

I have medicine for anxiety.

[Harry]

So I'm good Sunday night, if you know what he means. I'm saying like, you're going to bed totally fine knowing you have to be up at 4:30.

[Jason Williams (J. Will)]

Oh, the night before. Yeah, that's, Yeah, I do have anxiety. Then that's where I don't sleep good.

[Harry]

This is, I'm gonna be mid, like uncomfortably.

[Roan]

He also said he went to bed after, like during the fourth quarter.

[Jason Williams (J. Will)]

I'll go to bed at 8 o' clock though too.

[Roan]

He went to bed in the fourth quarter of the championship game. He just turned it off.

[Jason Williams (J. Will)]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I Have Miami and the over last night. And went to bed at the end of the third quarter.

[Francis]

Yeah, fuck it.

[Roan]

And they both won.

[Jason Williams (J. Will)]

Yeah.

[Roan]

He thought they were both going to lose. And they both wound up winning. He just didn't even care enough to.

[Jason Williams (J. Will)]

See his bet through.

[Roan]

He's like, yeah, sleep's more important. Prioritize.

[Francis]

Yeah.

[Jason Williams (J. Will)]

True.

[Harry]

Got to fair enough.

[Jason Williams (J. Will)]

Yeah.

[Harry]

To finish this story. We are now on this 7am flight. I get there. I don't my. I had made up my mind that I. I was so mad at Harry for what had happened that I wasn't gonna talk to him.

[Francis]

We spoke though.

[Harry]

Well, because I got on the plane and didn't see him.

[Francis]

I'm nowhere to be found. I'm gone.

[Harry]

And I knew he was gonna be in first class. So I was expecting to fully like walk past him and just ignore him as I trundled on back to steer.

[Francis]

That would have been hilarious.

[Harry]

But he wasn't to able in first class. And so I was like, oh shit, where is he? So then I sit down. I'm in 27B. It's. There's a bathroom right next to me. Like the door opens and I'm hit with a wave of shit smell. And by the way, it was the women passengers that were causing the real problems.

[Francis]

Yeah, you said that.

[Harry]

I don't know what is going on with them in the morning, but holy one.

[Roan]

Because they feel like it's a safe place to shift. Like they'd rather on the road than at home, I guess on an airplane. Oh, yes, dude.

[Jason Williams (J. Will)]

Awful.

[Roan]

Yeah, I know. They're crazy. They're insane.

[Jason Williams (J. Will)]

It would have to be the. I'd have to be a extreme emergency for me to.

[Francis]

On an airplane big time.

[Harry]

Same.

[Francis]

The biggest.

[Jason Williams (J. Will)]

There's no. I can't even imagine a guy. I'm not even a big guy, but a guy bigger than me just to go piss in an airplane is. Is tough. Oh yeah. Let alone.

[Francis]

Yeah, I didn't even stand up in this bathrooms.

[Roan]

I think women would prefer to in front of strangers. Where a guy would prefer to in front of his loved ones. Women wouldn't want to in front of loved ones. They want to be in front of strangers. Guys don't want to be in front of strangers. They want to be in front of levels.

[Harry]

It was also almost like once one of them realized that someone in front a woman, another woman had done it, they were like, oh, now, now we.

[Roan]

Plausible deniability.

[Harry]

And it's. We're just at terminal velocity of smell.

[Roan]

It's like, what Like a Russian firing squad where 20 guys shoot, but only one has the bullet. It's like, you don't know who, actually. So the more of us get in the bathroom.

[Harry]

Yeah.

[Roan]

The more we can kind of COVID it up.

[Harry]

Someone broke the seal, and they were all like, oh, we can all do it.

[Roan]

I am Spartacus.

[Harry]

And they were just adding their own flavors from their horrible digestive systems, and it was creating this, like, confluence of misery that was hitting me every time the door opened happened. And I'm talking, like, bathroom door here. I'm sitting across the aisle from it, and I'm in this seat, and this is hitting me. And I know Harry's in first class, and I'm back here because of him.

[Jason Williams (J. Will)]

Yeah.

[Harry]

And I texted Ron.

[Jason Williams (J. Will)]

In more than one way, too.

[Harry]

Huh?

[Jason Williams (J. Will)]

You're back there because of him in more than one way.

[Harry]

Correct.

[Francis]

Multiple ways.

[Harry]

Yeah. And I texted Ron, and I go, I don't know what to do. I hate Harry more than anyone else in my life. I go, I hate him. I don't know if I'm gonna be able to get over it. I go, now I understand why successful bands break as, like, waves of.

[Roan]

Are hitting you. Like you're in Navy SEAL training.

[Harry]

Yeah. I was like, this podcast is going well, but I don't know if I can talk to him ever again. And then out of nowhere.

[Francis]

Yeah. I puked everywhere. Up in first class.

[Roan]

It was.

[Francis]

Oh, my God.

[Harry]

Is awful.

[Roan]

Really?

[Francis]

I. So I'm. So I'm late. As for the flight, like, you didn't.

[Jason Williams (J. Will)]

Make it to the bathroom?

[Francis]

No, I made it to the bathroom, but it was a. It was a scene.

[Jason Williams (J. Will)]

We're.

[Harry]

We're.

[Roan]

We're.

[Harry]

I'm.

[Francis]

I'm late as. Right. Like, I. I'm.

[Harry]

I wake up late. Tell them why you.

[Francis]

Well, so I wake up on time. Like, I woke up. The second my alarm goes off, I'm up because it's like, you know, it's a work. It's a work trip. And it's also, like, if we don't make this flight, we're.

[Jason Williams (J. Will)]

Yeah, we're still riding together, though, though.

[Francis]

We live very far away.

[Jason Williams (J. Will)]

Oh, okay. Okay.

[Roan]

I got it.

[Francis]

I got it.

[Jason Williams (J. Will)]

Yeah.

[Francis]

So I wake up right when my alarm is set. I'm up. I get. I throw on the golf clothes because it's day trip, so I'm like, I'm getting ready for golf right now, by the way.

[Harry]

He says golf clothes. It was that.

[Jason Williams (J. Will)]

That.

[Francis]

I had no. I had golf clothes on. You just couldn't really see Patriots windbreaker.

[Harry]

And a pair of khakis so stained that I honestly couldn't believe they were allowed to play.

[Francis]

They were really stained. Stain?

[Roan]

What kind of stain?

[Francis]

I don't know. It was I. Last time I wore them with a spider cup.

[Harry]

There were wet blotches all day. They never dried. I don't know what kind of fluid that is. But they never dry, stayed. What? Just blocked, like blotches? Just a little brown. Yeah. Wet. Just wetness.

[Francis]

I didn't know anyone noticed that. That's news today. So that sucks. But yeah, I get so I'm, I'm late as, I'm late as I can't find my, my, I can't find my wallet. Like, I'm, I'm got. I'm fully ready to go. Chews on, no idea where the wallet said. I'm running around the apartment looking for my. I'm like, like I'm, I'm pretty much on the verge of like, fully just losing, just freaking out and just being like, I don't know, I'm fucked. And all I could think about was Francis the entire time. I'm gonna have to text Francis and tell him I'm missing the flight. And I, I will, I'll never live this down. And so I, eventually I find the wallet. I get to the airport, Francis texting me, he's like, are you, are you here? I mean, I'm in the Uber still. And I'm like, yeah, yeah, I'll be, I'm good.

[Harry]

Quick interjection, by the way, when he originally switched our flights and upgraded himself to first and I got demoted to coach. I texted him on Saturday night and I was like, I said, I'm going to ruin your life. And I go, good luck. And I have a little bit of a reputation for as being a life ruiner around these parts, so I think he knew to take that seriously. I was so fucking mad at him then. And it only got, it just reignited when the shit stuff happened. But anyway, back to you.

[Francis]

Yeah, so I get to the airport, security lines, long as shit, I don't even know how. Yeah, isn't that the worst when you get there and it's so early and you're like, well, at least it's early. No one's going to be here. And then you turn the Corner and there's 7,000 people waiting and you're like, oh, I didn't know everyone in the world was flying today. But anyway, so I get to my, I get through security. I'm, I, I, it's like, just Things just kept happening. Like, I get. I, like. I get there. I'm like, all right, I got. I got 10 minutes until boarding closes. Get through security. I refresh the app. Now we're taking off five minutes earlier. So now I'm like, okay. So now I'm just. And then I sprinted.

[Roan]

You're in LaGuardia.

[Francis]

I'm at LaGuardia.

[Roan]

What gate are you going to?

[Harry]

66.

[Francis]

Yes, it was far.

[Roan]

Far.

[Harry]

It was far. It's past the. The Magnolia Bakery.

[Francis]

Yeah.

[Harry]

Ten minutes all the way down. Like, you go the. Yeah, it's long.

[Francis]

So I'm not, like, much of an active person. I don't know if you could tell, but I. I'm in bad shape. So I'm flying through the airport, like, the fastest. I'm not even kidding. It was the fastest I've ran since I played, like, competitive sports, which was, like, middle school.

[Jason Williams (J. Will)]

Maybe that's why. Your pants. You're sweating. Your pants are sweat.

[Harry]

Come on. Sweat doesn't stay all day like that.

[Francis]

I get to the gate, I'm like, am I. Am I too late? They're like, now you're good. She was like. And then she goes, only because I'm in a good mood, though. Which then I was like, all right. So they actually do just choose to fuck you?

[Jason Williams (J. Will)]

Yeah, they do.

[Francis]

They want. So that was kind of weird, but I was like, all right, thanks. Get on the plane. I get on the plane. It's a thousand degrees on the plane. I'm sweating my ass off. I've got three layers on. I sit down. I'm in the window seat.

[Harry]

He smartly wore an underarm armor thermal under his golf shirt, knowing it would be cold in Orlando.

[Francis]

Yeah. Which was. I mean, that was the. I think that might have been what did it. Yeah, that killed me. I was trying to rip that thing off.

[Roan]

Like, it's like running in a wetsuit.

[Jason Williams (J. Will)]

Yeah. Literally.

[Francis]

And so I get. I get on the plane, I sit down. I'm like. I'm, like, out of breath, and I'm like, oh, man, I don't feel good at all. But I'm like, I'm. I've shit shape, and I also have stomach problems. So I was like, whatever, it's nothing.

[Harry]

And you're in first class.

[Francis]

And I'm in first class, and I made the flight. So I'm drinking. I'm sipping my little water. You know, I got a granola bar, took a bite of that, and I'm like, this will go away. A couple, like, 10 minutes go by, and I'm like, it's not going away. And then I have. I have, like, prescription, like, anti nausea medicine. Like, Zofran.

[Jason Williams (J. Will)]

Zofran.

[Francis]

I'm like, I'll take one of these.

[Jason Williams (J. Will)]

This will.

[Francis]

This will white. I don't even think it dissolved. I don't even. The second it hit my mouth. Mouth. All of a sudden, now I'm. I'm in my seat, and I was just denying it for so long, and I'm in my seat.

[Roan]

Is the plane taking off?

[Francis]

We're taxiing. I'm in my seat, and I'm like. I'm like. I'm, like, putting, like, I'm, like, trying to play it off. Like, I'm, like, sneezing. I got my whole. And then I got to, like. I was like, no, I'm good. I'm good. And then. And then I was like, no, I'm not good. And I stood up. I. For some reason, I hit the flight attendant light. That dude jumps up. He's like, whoa, whoa. You can't get up. And I. I'm like. It was like, I have tunnel vision just to the bathroom. It was like, you, like, hit him.

[Roan]

With a swim move. Like a defensive end.

[Francis]

He was grabbing. He had both of my shoulders at one point, and I'm like. And you could have hijacked the plane. I'm, like, dodging him. He's like, it is an emergency. And I'm like, yeah, yeah. And then, like, the lady. I'm at the window. So there's the lady next to me. I'm like, there's. I'm feeling some sort of tension. I look down. There's like, nine cables wrapped around my legs. I just rip them out of the socket. Like, I literally, like, felt it removed from her phone. Like, I just ripped them out, barreled to the bathroom, and I puked a lot. And I felt better immediately.

[Jason Williams (J. Will)]

Do they not still have the little puke bag?

[Francis]

I was looking everywhere, and then I saw you looking for it yesterday when we were landing. Landing?

[Harry]

Yeah, I thought I was gonna.

[Francis]

Yeah, I saw you looking for it. And then that made me very uneasy.

[Harry]

I. I. Yeah, you were like, I'm not feeling well.

[Francis]

And then I see. And I was like, yeah, I just did it nine hours prior.

[Harry]

We were sat next. We were seated next to each other on the return flight, just out of coincidence. And he had a middle seat and I had an aisle, and Harry, we were coming through. I don't want to. I feel like, Is that the end of the.

[Francis]

That.

[Roan]

Oh, yeah.

[Francis]

I mean, that was Pretty much it.

[Jason Williams (J. Will)]

You were going to go after that?

[Francis]

Yeah, I felt fine after that. I mean, it was pretty humiliating though, because it was like I tried, like we were talking about it being like people probably thought I was hung over.

[Harry]

Well, I. Then I was like, he should have said. Cuz the woman was concerned.

[Francis]

I tried to say, oh, that's, that was the ending of the. That's the end.

[Harry]

Yes.

[Francis]

I, I got back to my seat and I was like, trying to say something to the. I was like, I'm not sick. I don't know why I thought that would be good to say. Like, I just looked at her and I was like, I'm not sick. She was like, what? I don't even think she knew I puked.

[Harry]

Yeah.

[Francis]

And she just, like, put her headphones in and we didn't speak the rest of the flight.

[Harry]

Wow.

[Roan]

I'm not sick.

[Jason Williams (J. Will)]

All right.

[Roan]

Sounds like something a sick person would say. The fact you said the guy had hands on both of your shoulders, that should be full body control. I don't know how you shook that.

[Francis]

I was wiggled out. I had to, I had to.

[Harry]

I mean, what, what, like, what choice does the flight attendant have at that point? Like, if you're like, okay, then I will throw up all over everybody in first class cabin. Right.

[Jason Williams (J. Will)]

Or the floor, and she's going to have to clean it up.

[Harry]

Yeah. It's like you, you, you make the call.

[Francis]

Yeah.

[Harry]

You know what, Are they going to abide by FAA regulations?

[Francis]

He said something, I think, when I was walking, walking in. He was like, he was like, you gotta hurry, though, because we're gonna. Because they're gonna be waiting for you.

[Harry]

Oh, yeah.

[Francis]

And I was like, all right. But I mean, I was in and out in 30 seconds.

[Harry]

Yeah.

[Roan]

Where'd you throw up in the, in the toilet. Right.

[Francis]

Yeah, yeah, of course.

[Harry]

Somehow, Somehow I, I, I didn't log in to my phone on the WI fi because I have this brick device. Do you know about the brick? This, this is to, this is to sort of help people who have become addicted to their phones. There's this thing you can get now that locks you out of distracting apps, and you have to, in order to unlock it, you tap it back. But I left my home without unlocking all the apps. So my text, I was basically rel. Yeah. Limited to just texting. And therefore I was like, well, then I'm not gonna even use my phone on the flight. But, but therefore, halfway through the flight, I did want to listen to music and I logged onto the Delta Wi fi At which point I got the texts that Harry had sent. And this is while I'm steaming mad from all the shit hitting me. And he goes, francis, did you just see that? Because he had sent it earlier. And I go, what? And he goes, I just puked everywhere. And finally I was able to be like, ah, there is. Is some karmic justice. God is shaking my hand after, you know, a little bit. Yeah.

[Jason Williams (J. Will)]

Yeah.

[Harry]

It was revenge on the way back that. That Orlando airport is a disaster. I don't know what's going on. Why. Why are there. There's nowhere to like. They can't house people waiting for their flights. The gate areas for each flight are too small.

[Francis]

Yeah.

[Harry]

Everyone was stand the seven gates of people standing next to each other like a concert. It was.

[Francis]

Yeah, it was the most crowded airport I've ever been in.

[Harry]

Ever. Yeah.

[Jason Williams (J. Will)]

I mean, Francis, you're looking at me for answers and I. I don't have them. I wish I had them.

[Harry]

Do you agree that it's a disaster?

[Jason Williams (J. Will)]

Yeah, it's a disaster.

[Harry]

Oh, okay. But.

[Jason Williams (J. Will)]

But the. On. On Monday morning at 5:30. It's great.

[Harry]

It's not so bad.

[Francis]

Yeah, it's great.

[Harry]

Yeah.

[Jason Williams (J. Will)]

LaGuardia.

[Francis]

Are you flying out of LaGuardia?

[Roan]

I do.

[Francis]

That's easy too.

[Jason Williams (J. Will)]

Yeah, it's fine.

[Harry]

Yeah, it's great.

[Jason Williams (J. Will)]

You know, hopefully I make my flight. You know, I'm on this podcast. I'm only teasing.

[Roan]

Yeah. You originally went jfk and I was like, no, you got.

[Jason Williams (J. Will)]

First time I came through jfk.

[Francis]

Oh, yeah, jfk. I mean JFK is up there with Orlando. That airport is despicable.

[Jason Williams (J. Will)]

It really is.

[Francis]

You got a. Did you fly Delta?

[Jason Williams (J. Will)]

I did.

[Francis]

Did you have to walk an hour to get. To get out of the airport?

[Jason Williams (J. Will)]

Yeah, probably. I don't really remember because.

[Francis]

Miles. Yeah.

[Jason Williams (J. Will)]

You know, bad memories. I try to. I tend to get rid of them.

[Harry]

Smart.

[Francis]

That's smart. I hold on to him. Why think about him every day?

[Jason Williams (J. Will)]

You shouldn't.

[Francis]

I remember that time I was walking through jfk, pissed.

[Roan]

Worse than throwing up. Worse than flowing up. Throwing up on flight.

[Harry]

I. I really texted. Speaking of bad memories, I really texted Ron on this flight and I said, I think Harry is the person in my life that I like the least.

[Jason Williams (J. Will)]

Really?

[Harry]

That I was that. And I meant it.

[Francis]

That's crazy. We had. We had great conversations all day.

[Harry]

Well then we. Then we. Then. And I texted him and I was like, I take.

[Roan]

He said, I'm over it.

[Harry]

Like, also, for what it's worth.

[Jason Williams (J. Will)]

Well, you also.

[Francis]

I will say you Also texted me that as well.

[Roan]

What? That you're the person I like the least.

[Francis]

Pretty much.

[Roan]

I hate you.

[Harry]

I was really mad and. And I went too far and I. And I apologized.

[Francis]

I took it on the chin.

[Harry]

Yeah.

[Jason Williams (J. Will)]

You feel obligated. I'm sorry.

[Harry]

No, it's okay.

[Jason Williams (J. Will)]

Do you feel obligated when you guys travel, when you're going to travel again, do you feel obligated to let him know, like, look, I'm in this, I'm in this circle seat or I'm going to think about getting first class.

[Francis]

Yeah, yeah.

[Jason Williams (J. Will)]

I mean, only because of the text that he.

[Francis]

That you see. Yeah, yeah, definitely now, like, even if I fly solo, I'm going to be hitting him up.

[Jason Williams (J. Will)]

Yeah. Like school threatened.

[Harry]

No, no. Look, this conversation that we've just spent 30 minutes talking about.

[Jason Williams (J. Will)]

Yeah.

[Harry]

Is very typical for the podcast. So I kind of felt that Harry would know if on a flight where we're flying together, that is the first flight since the big first class fiasco where one of us has been upgraded or he's buying an upgraded seat. Like, in all likelihood, we should be in that moment together because even if it's just us relaying what happened on the podcast, it will be far more compelling if we're together as opposed to just having completely separate flights that we don't.

[Jason Williams (J. Will)]

Yeah.

[Francis]

Definitely panned out well too.

[Harry]

Yeah.

[Francis]

Like, genuinely.

[Harry]

And I said to him, I was like, it's. I was like, ultimately, if I keep losing, that's great too. Like, that's funnier. The world wants me to lose to you youu know the universe. Yeah, like our fans, everyone. It's.

[Francis]

It's.

[Harry]

As soon as I like beat him, it's not funny anymore.

[Francis]

I would say, I would say you won yesterday.

[Roan]

What?

[Francis]

Why? So, I mean, I was puking on the way there, and then you had the aisle on the way back and I had to talk to that lady for like 30 minutes.

[Harry]

Yeah, but once you puked, you felt better and you had first class on the flight.

[Roan]

What'd you eat? What was your meal?

[Francis]

I skipped it. You might said I don't deserve it when you guys. This was like, I'm not even kidding. This was like life changing, eye opening experience for me. I went to the gym this morning.

[Jason Williams (J. Will)]

Really?

[Francis]

Yeah. Shit's changing. I'm eating hell. Like, that was unacceptable, dude. It was like everyone on the plane knew. I, I threw up because I had to run from the security.

[Harry]

Well, I told him. I told him.

[Francis]

I was like, I was the last person on the plane by like 10 minutes. And then I puked.

[Harry]

I. I told him I was. I was like, dude, but you are sick.

[Roan]

He wasn't sick. And everyone knew that.

[Harry]

Yeah. When he said to the woman, I'm not sick, I was like, you should have said, I'm hungover. Because then everyone will be at ease that you threw up as a result of that instead of having a virus.

[Jason Williams (J. Will)]

Well, how about this? Tell the truth. Truth. I'm out of shape.

[Francis]

Yeah, I'm really out of shape.

[Jason Williams (J. Will)]

I had to sprint. This is consequence.

[Francis]

That's the fastest. I mean, that was. They knew. They all knew.

[Roan]

Sweating is so humiliating. My ass sweat on the plane, bro.

[Francis]

After I puked, I looked in the mirror and I was like, I don't even know if I can go back out. I might just have to stay in here. Like, tears coming down my eyes. Red is blotchy.

[Roan]

Yeah. When you had team flights, would. Would you be one of the first guys or one of the last guys to get there?

[Jason Williams (J. Will)]

Probably the first.

[Roan]

Really?

[Jason Williams (J. Will)]

Yeah.

[Roan]

Why? You were just scared or you're punctual?

[Jason Williams (J. Will)]

Yeah, probably just scared a little bit.

[Roan]

Yeah.

[Jason Williams (J. Will)]

You know what I mean?

[Roan]

Were you ever late? Did you ever, like, miss one?

[Jason Williams (J. Will)]

Never.

[Roan]

Really?

[Jason Williams (J. Will)]

Never.

[Roan]

And did other guys miss him?

[Jason Williams (J. Will)]

For sure. Some people would pull up to the. To the plane and be the first one there, but be the last one on the plane just because they're. They just felt obligated to be an hour late. Make y' all wait an hour.

[Francis]

Damn.

[Harry]

The whole team.

[Jason Williams (J. Will)]

Like Dwight Howard. I'm gonna go ahead and say it. Dwight Howard. Worse. The worst.

[Harry]

Yeah.

[Jason Williams (J. Will)]

I mean, Stan Van Gunny would write on again, like we were on the road after the game. He'd give our talk. Whatever. He'd write on the board whatever time the bus was going to be to leave the arena. We usually give us like an hour and a half to shower and get ready. What to talk to me, whatever. We always was on the bus for at least 30 or 40 more minutes extra with Dwight Howard.

[Harry]

Damn.

[Jason Williams (J. Will)]

I'm like, stan, let's leave his ass. They're like, no, I can't leave him. I'm like, well, why not? Well, because he gets 30 and 15 every night. I'm like, well, okay, I get it. I get it now.

[Roan]

But don't they have multiple buses now? Don't they have like three buses now and stuff like that?

[Jason Williams (J. Will)]

They usually have two. When I was playing, they had two going to the game, but only one going to the airport. After the game, they had two buses, but the first bus will be Media and everybody. Like that second bus will be players and personnel.

[Roan]

That's narcissism. Making everybody wait every time. That's got to be right.

[Harry]

Well, yeah.

[Roan]

How.

[Harry]

How comfortable are those planes?

[Jason Williams (J. Will)]

The ones the NBA guys fly on? Yeah, it's great. It's like. It's like a Delta plane that you flew on. Well, you flew on first class, but it's like the first class, like row one and then row two is not even in existence and then it goes to three. So there's like. There's like the first. The first part of the cabin is where all the players set. The middle part was where all the coaches set would just be like regular first class seats. And then the. The last part of the section was just like regular coach class where media personnel. Like that set.

[Harry]

Could you guys smoke weed on the plane?

[Jason Williams (J. Will)]

No, I never did and I never been on a team that did.

[Roan]

But they would bring wine and they play cards.

[Jason Williams (J. Will)]

Oh, yeah. Everything else was a go.

[Roan]

Yeah.

[Harry]

Yeah.

[Roan]

What was it? Wasn't there a story that. Like who, who was going to get traded to. Maybe Tim Duncan was going to get traded to Orlando, but Doc Rivers wouldn't let wives on the team playing, so he didn't. He wouldn't sign with Orlando.

[Jason Williams (J. Will)]

True story.

[Roan]

Was it Tim Duncan?

[Jason Williams (J. Will)]

It was. That's when he signed with his Spurs.

[Roan]

And so he wanted to bring his significant other on plane?

[Jason Williams (J. Will)]

Yeah, I don't know. I don't know if he wanted to bring her on the plane every trip or just a couple trips. I'm not so sure.

[Roan]

How common is that? That people want to bring their significant other? Pretty rare.

[Jason Williams (J. Will)]

I think it's rare. I've never been on a team where. Where people has done that.

[Roan]

And why do you think Doc said no?

[Jason Williams (J. Will)]

I'm not sure.

[Roan]

Yeah, he just wanted to keep it family or didn't want special or wanted to keep it just the team or didn't.

[Jason Williams (J. Will)]

I don't give a. What he wanted to do. You got to make exception for Tim Duncan.

[Roan]

It's Tim Duncan, right?

[Jason Williams (J. Will)]

Fuck that. It'll get you 30 and 50 you want to bring? Yeah. Who? Yeah, yeah. Well, the. The 13th and the 14th man on the. On the. On the roster. I'd have made them stay and let Tim Duncan bring his wife and his cousin. Yeah.

[Roan]

Yeah. That would have been sick.

[Jason Williams (J. Will)]

Yeah.

[Roan]

Dan, Dwight. And what about snack. Snack baskets and shit like that? Someone walking through the cabin with like some fucking pretzels.

[Jason Williams (J. Will)]

Yeah, you got all that. But you can also tell the flight attendants too. Like we land in Dallas and we're going to play and we're going to leave tomorrow or that night. You can tell the flight attendants to get you whatever you need for the plane ride.

[Harry]

Like barbecue or.

[Jason Williams (J. Will)]

Yeah, whatever. Or snacks. Whatever, you know, whatever.

[Harry]

That's awesome.

[Jason Williams (J. Will)]

That's so cool. Yeah.

[Harry]

Rules like, hey, we're playing the Knicks and I want you to bring a ton of Nobu sushi.

[Jason Williams (J. Will)]

Nah, John's on Bleecker. This.

[Harry]

Well, sure.

[Jason Williams (J. Will)]

Yeah, yeah.

[Roan]

Or some strip New York strip steaks or some like that.

[Jason Williams (J. Will)]

Whatever.

[Roan]

God, that'd be so nice.

[Harry]

Burgers from 4 Charles in and out.

[Jason Williams (J. Will)]

What kind of burger did you just say?

[Harry]

Never mind.

[Francis]

For Charles.

[Harry]

Keep naming fancy places that I figure you guys would want.

[Jason Williams (J. Will)]

Well, no, let's get something straight, you guys. I'm not part of you guys.

[Harry]

The NBA.

[Jason Williams (J. Will)]

Yeah, I'm part of the NBA, but not you guys going to those fancy restaurants and shit.

[Roan]

He has a. He has a very refined palette or like finite palate.

[Harry]

Oh, he's a chicken.

[Roan]

He's not even a burger guy. He's a chicken finger guy.

[Jason Williams (J. Will)]

Really?

[Roan]

Chicken nuggets.

[Jason Williams (J. Will)]

I like chicken nuggets.

[Francis]

Of course.

[Harry]

Who doesn't?

[Jason Williams (J. Will)]

I like burgers too, though. But I'm not eating no fish or anything like that. No, sure. Just like vegetables.

[Harry]

But like, if someone told you we're playing the Knicks.

[Jason Williams (J. Will)]

Yeah.

[Harry]

This place in New York has the best burger in I've ever had. Would you be like, I don't want that. I want in and out?

[Jason Williams (J. Will)]

No. Probably. But the first question I would ask you is what? We could I wear a sweatsuit in there?

[Harry]

I suspect that given who you are, you get away with whatever you want.

[Jason Williams (J. Will)]

Well, you suspect wrong.

[Harry]

Really?

[Jason Williams (J. Will)]

Yes, sir.

[Roan]

You gotten smoked from places they've been like, you can't come in?

[Jason Williams (J. Will)]

Well, no, no, not like that. I'm just saying, like, it's not like what you think. Like, I get away with murder type shit just because I played in the NBA. Now if I'm with a 6, 9, 610 black dude. Yeah, we're going to get some more better treatment.

[Harry]

That's kind of what I thought.

[Jason Williams (J. Will)]

Yeah. Now. Yeah, but me personally, personally, no, I don't work.

[Roan]

Because your frame.

[Jason Williams (J. Will)]

Yeah.

[Roan]

Because you're.

[Francis]

You're.

[Roan]

You're built like a. Yeah.

[Jason Williams (J. Will)]

You look like you.

[Harry]

I feel like you're selling yourself short.

[Jason Williams (J. Will)]

I think so, too.

[Harry]

When you were playing, you were one of the more recognizable, known players in. And beloved players in the NBA.

[Jason Williams (J. Will)]

No, I don't know. I don't know.

[Harry]

Why did I write white boy on My knuckles. You weren't what I thought you were work.

[Jason Williams (J. Will)]

Because hero did.

[Harry]

True. But Because John Featherstone did hero.

[Jason Williams (J. Will)]

But no, I'm a more of a person. I just rather eat room service. I don't want to go out and I don't want to go out and deal with.

[Harry]

I guess if you're traveling 41 games a year, then yeah, that makes sense. Yeah.

[Francis]

Especially because every city you go to, people are probably like, this place has the best.

[Jason Williams (J. Will)]

This more than likely. Yeah. I'm good with a hot dog.

[Harry]

Exactly.

[Jason Williams (J. Will)]

Me too.

[Francis]

I'm saying I travel. We. We travel a bunch of. For stand up and Jimmy John's for me. I like Jimmy John's my guy.

[Harry]

I stay.

[Francis]

I stay loyal to Jimmy John's.

[Harry]

I mean, I'm more of the Jimmy Butler persuasion. Where I want. If I'm in a nice a city, I want to try some of the cool.

[Jason Williams (J. Will)]

Of course. You can just tell by looking at your outfit and my outfit what type of food we gonna order.

[Harry]

Right.

[Francis]

Yeah.

[Harry]

Don't you. You're.

[Francis]

I'm on his side.

[Harry]

Yeah.

[Francis]

But it's us versus you guys right now. They're like foodie weirdos. Yeah.

[Roan]

I like to try nice food. I like to try delicious food when I go someplace.

[Harry]

Ice.

[Roan]

He was just in Germany and he was just like chicken nuggets. The McDonald's chicken nuggets the whole time. And he said they're not. Their nuggets are better.

[Francis]

I'm not surprised at all.

[Jason Williams (J. Will)]

They were.

[Francis]

They sell like beer at those McDonald's and.

[Jason Williams (J. Will)]

Right. For sure.

[Francis]

Yeah.

[Roan]

But Nam ice.

[Jason Williams (J. Will)]

No ice at all. Really. Yeah. Like. Like I told him earlier, like Ronald McDonald would kick his big ass red shoe off. He knew they didn't have ice.

[Francis]

He would not be happy with.

[Jason Williams (J. Will)]

No. At all. Like, I catch myself, get a cup and it'll be like a bottle. You know, McDonald's Coke is like sacred.

[Francis]

Yeah. The bottle.

[Jason Williams (J. Will)]

I'd have to get a bottle of Coke at McDonald's and go to Starbucks, get a cup of ice.

[Francis]

Oh, no. Yeah, bro.

[Jason Williams (J. Will)]

Not right.

[Roan]

Staying on American food food chains while you're out there.

[Francis]

Yeah, you got it. You got it.

[Jason Williams (J. Will)]

I did have the spaghetti bolognaise for room service. Was great. I probably had. I was there five nights. I. I think I probably had.

[Roan]

What was all your dinners?

[Jason Williams (J. Will)]

I probably had eight Bolognese.

[Francis]

Damn.

[Harry]

You know, they. If you like chicken. Figures. Their thing is like chicken schnitzel. Yeah. Yeah.

[Jason Williams (J. Will)]

They try to get me out, I'll do this.

[Harry]

I think you would have liked it. It's still breaded and fried.

[Jason Williams (J. Will)]

Yeah. That's why I just stuck with the chicken nuggets.

[Francis]

Same thing.

[Harry]

Why?

[Jason Williams (J. Will)]

Why, why even with it?

[Francis]

I totally agree.

[Harry]

Yeah.

[Francis]

You know, I couldn't agree more.

[Jason Williams (J. Will)]

Right.

[Francis]

No need to change anything.

[Jason Williams (J. Will)]

No need. Right. Plus, if I'm hungry, I know that's going to feel me. Fill me up. I'm going to taste this new now. My, my, my taste buds are going to be.

[Francis]

Exactly, exactly.

[Jason Williams (J. Will)]

Cuz y' all want me some schnitzel or something?

[Francis]

Yeah.

[Roan]

All it is is like a pounded chicken breast that's breaded and lightly fried. It's the same exact.

[Jason Williams (J. Will)]

It don't taste like a McDonald's chicken nugget. Ain't no way.

[Roan]

Well, McDonald's is pink slime. I mean, they're like pulling that out of a soft serve ice cream machine. It's just pink meat coming out.

[Harry]

I think that was debunked, wasn't it?

[Roan]

Pink slime?

[Harry]

I thought so, but I could be wrong. I thought that was debunked.

[Francis]

I remember hearing that constantly.

[Harry]

I know everyone. That was one of those viral things.

[Roan]

Have you heard of pink slime?

[Jason Williams (J. Will)]

Nope.

[Francis]

People used to always be like, if you saw the way that McDonald's nuggets were made, you would never eat them.

[Jason Williams (J. Will)]

You could say that about everything.

[Francis]

I know. And then I remember seeing it and being like, I'm still eating them. Yeah, these are delicious.

[Jason Williams (J. Will)]

They are, are.

[Roan]

But they're definitely dying them white. They're like an ungodly color.

[Harry]

I'm never eating chicken the way those other places prepare until they start compressing it into a pink slime.

[Jason Williams (J. Will)]

Yeah, yeah.

[Roan]

Unchewable, chokable slime.

[Harry]

Shame on them for plucking the feathers off one by one and ringing its neck.

[Roan]

It's just like a gusher. It's just like mystery meat inside of there.

[Jason Williams (J. Will)]

I'm not gonna let y' all talk bad about McDonald's.

[Roan]

I love McDonald's.

[Francis]

It's really like. Like McDonald's might be the greatest food ever made. It's just. I can't. I can barely eat it.

[Harry]

This is my point. Harry is saying he's with you. Like, why, why deviate from my diet? Right? But he has had stomach problems.

[Francis]

Oh, I can't eat any of that.

[Harry]

Stuff for like 15 years. And it's like, well, maybe you should try some other things.

[Francis]

Well, I know I don't eat. I don't eat like that stuff as much anymore. More.

[Harry]

Whatever you are eating is not working.

[Francis]

I'm on yogurt right now. This guy is strictly, strictly yogurt.

[Harry]

Six out of seven days of the week. His is not solid.

[Roan]

Yeah, but don't you think it's probably. It's more likely that it's the machine than the fuel?

[Francis]

I think it's the machine. I think that's what I think the machine is busted.

[Roan]

I think you got to get under the hood because no matter what fuel unleaded premium, the machines near totaled.

[Harry]

He hasn't cleaned under the lug nuts.

[Jason Williams (J. Will)]

That's not good.

[Harry]

The warranty expired many years ago. He is.

[Francis]

Yeah, but I got after it this, I got after it this morning.

[Jason Williams (J. Will)]

What'd you do?

[Francis]

I did 20 minutes of cardio light and then I did some lifting.

[Jason Williams (J. Will)]

Treadmill. Elliptical treadmill.

[Harry]

Yeah.

[Jason Williams (J. Will)]

Incline.

[Francis]

No, incline. Oh, of course, incline. Love the incline.

[Jason Williams (J. Will)]

What type speed?

[Francis]

4. Got up to 4.6.

[Harry]

Catch your flight speed 4.6.

[Francis]

That's actually not even close to true.

[Roan]

Yeah. You were walking it.

[Francis]

Yeah, I think I was at 3.5 and got up to 3.6. Maybe 4. Oh, yeah.

[Harry]

I would say 4.6 is the most uncomfortable pace to be at on a treadmill. Well, it's. It's not a walk. I need to either be walking or running.

[Francis]

Yeah.

[Roan]

How's your fitness journey? You said you were getting back into squatting.

[Jason Williams (J. Will)]

Started yesterday.

[Roan]

How was it?

[Jason Williams (J. Will)]

Actually I did a week before I went to Germany. Didn't get.

[Harry]

Didn't.

[Jason Williams (J. Will)]

Didn't do any lifting in Germany. Nothing physical.

[Francis]

Yeah, I feel like it's tough to say to stay consistent when you're traveling like that.

[Jason Williams (J. Will)]

Well, it is if you're soft mentally. You know, I mean heard and. Which I was. Which I was soft that week.

[Francis]

I knew I needed to hear that.

[Jason Williams (J. Will)]

Yeah.

[Harry]

Oh, do you remember the woman as we were getting off the plane last night?

[Francis]

Oh, yeah. Yeah.

[Harry]

So the last thing. Sorry.

[Jason Williams (J. Will)]

Don't ever be sorry, bro. I told you that from the get go.

[Harry]

I'm always sorry.

[Jason Williams (J. Will)]

Don't be.

[Harry]

I'm sorry for lifting thing. Anyway, there was. We. We were row 11 and plane lands, light goes off. Seat belt light goes off. I'm talking. You could feel the wind from this woman as she rushed barreling through to the front of the plane. Must have cut 17 or 18 rows easily. She had her bag on her shoulders as we were descending. You know, she was ready to go. And it's. We're in New York.

[Roan]

No connection.

[Harry]

There's no. We're not connecting. It's like 11pm LaGuardia. Right. So it's not an international airport. She's not taking a red eye somewhere from there. So given who we are, he's next to me. I'm like, well, for.

[Francis]

You stood up and she barreled into.

[Harry]

Yeah, she almost knocked me.

[Roan]

You took the charge.

[Francis]

I don't think we saw it coming.

[Harry]

We didn't see it coming.

[Jason Williams (J. Will)]

Oh, I thought you stood up on purpose.

[Harry]

No, I didn't see.

[Francis]

He was aisle. He just stood up to get as bad. And she, like, body slammed Francis.

[Harry]

Knocked me out. Big, big woman. Big woman.

[Roan]

She's big.

[Harry]

Yeah. She's, you know, but she was moving, flying.

[Jason Williams (J. Will)]

Like, like tall or fat?

[Harry]

Wide, Wide. Fat.

[Francis]

Sturdy, Broad.

[Jason Williams (J. Will)]

Fat.

[Roan]

Yeah, Broad, Broad.

[Harry]

You're not knocking her off the ball.

[Jason Williams (J. Will)]

So.

[Harry]

You know what I mean? Yeah. If we're getting in a canoe, you want her to get it in first.

[Francis]

Yeah, yeah.

[Harry]

Sort of to set the ballast or she'll kind of.

[Roan]

She could post you up, probably.

[Harry]

Yeah. Talking like one of those cats. She's in the paint. Like, she. That's where she's coming at you.

[Jason Williams (J. Will)]

Yes.

[Harry]

Like feral cat. So she goes by and everyone kind of looks at each other like, you know, and. And people were rattled. Nobody's gonna say anything, but I'm like, like, of course we're gonna say something. It is. It is our duty. And I was.

[Francis]

It was your duty, not mine.

[Harry]

Yeah. So I go. I go, wow. Wow. Bold move. Bold move. And she's in front of me now, just facing forward, headphones in. And I'm like, maybe she doesn't hear me. So I'm like, huh. You know, doing a lot of that. A lot of that passive aggressive bullshit. And I'm like, I'm not taking my foot off the gas here.

[Roan]

Like, just huffing and puffing at it.

[Harry]

Yeah. But I'm like. But I'm like, saying it loudly because, you know.

[Jason Williams (J. Will)]

Right.

[Harry]

We can. We can do this.

[Francis]

I didn't realize how much of a stir it caused until I thought you were kind of going like. I was like, damn, Francis. Really going for it.

[Roan]

You thought he was.

[Francis]

That everyone around us was also mad.

[Harry]

She had put off that we were in the second row of Premium economy. So there's one row in front of us, and she cut all of them to, too, so. And she's so big that, like, now. Now those people who would have stood up. One person would have stood up into the aisle. Can't. Everyone in those two rows is required to stay in their seats until she's now gone off the plane.

[Roan]

She's got 12 people landlocked.

[Harry]

Yeah. It was also.

[Francis]

It was a Massive flight. It wasn't like a small flight.

[Harry]

Yeah. And we're hot, miserable, uncomfortable. And so I'm doing this, and then finally she takes her headphone out, turns around to me, and she goes, I am in so much physical pain right now that if I don't get off this plane as fast as humanly possible, I'm going to break down in tears. So back the off. And I went. Heard, heard, understood.

[Francis]

It was literally like. And immediate. He was like, all right. Yeah.

[Roan]

So she bodied you and then bodied you.

[Harry]

You know, at least she had something to say. Like, I. She had an explanation where I was like, I'm sympathetic to that.

[Francis]

Well, we got off that. What did that lady say when we got off? She said something. She was like. She must have been in a lot of pain. Huh?

[Jason Williams (J. Will)]

I don't.

[Francis]

How.

[Jason Williams (J. Will)]

How did you not say? What, the hurts? Yeah.

[Harry]

Because she was so overweight.

[Jason Williams (J. Will)]

Well, that's.

[Harry]

That means I don't know what happens. I don't know what it's like to be like that. I've never been overweight.

[Jason Williams (J. Will)]

I don't know.

[Francis]

Well, you made a good point. It was like, everyone's in pain. We're all. Everyone was hurting.

[Roan]

There's dudes.

[Francis]

There was dudes back there that were seven feet tall.

[Roan]

Did you say you played 32 holes or whatever?

[Francis]

Yeah.

[Roan]

It'd be like, oh, yeah. We were just out on the links all day.

[Harry]

We weren't. We weren't feeling good, but, you know. But like, I'm never. She's wearing, like, blankets, skin.

[Francis]

Yeah.

[Jason Williams (J. Will)]

She's that fat, huh?

[Harry]

Yeah.

[Jason Williams (J. Will)]

She's like. Like, flip through the rolls till you smell and then back up one type.

[Harry]

Fermenting cottage cheese beneath her armpits, that sort of thing.

[Roan]

You gotta stay on her ass, though. She can't just get away with that. She can't get that as a get out of jail free card.

[Francis]

She also got off the plane and just left. Like, it was like we were behind her and she didn't. She wasn't in pain at all. She was moving fine.

[Harry]

Yeah. It was just, you know, it was enough for me to be like, I don't know what she's going through, so I'm not gonna press this. But at the same time, I did feel like, this is a miserable flight we've been on. We all just came from that airport.

[Francis]

Yeah. We also were all sitting on the plane for over, like, an hour before it took off.

[Jason Williams (J. Will)]

Oh, really?

[Francis]

Yeah.

[Jason Williams (J. Will)]

Why?

[Francis]

We just got delayed.

[Roan]

Guys are just puking. First class.

[Harry]

Yeah.

[Francis]

Some.

[Harry]

No punk Orlando okay, that's fair. Disney World. I. I don't get it. Really? Are all those people there for Disney World? Is everyone visiting there for Disney World?

[Jason Williams (J. Will)]

Probably a lot.

[Roan]

Universal.

[Francis]

Even the lady next to us at the end was like, yo, is that. We were at. We were at Universal.

[Harry]

Yeah.

[Jason Williams (J. Will)]

There's so much in Orlando to do.

[Roan]

There's even like, there's rinky dink Disney worlds, too. There's like the. There's nothing, just Disney, Universal. But there's also like Joe's Fun House playset.

[Jason Williams (J. Will)]

Roller coaster.

[Roan]

Dotting the.

[Francis]

Oh, yeah, we saw a roller coaster. We saw.

[Jason Williams (J. Will)]

Yeah.

[Harry]

Little roller coaster.

[Roan]

There's janky Disney worlds, too.

[Jason Williams (J. Will)]

Yeah, there are.

[Roan]

Hell yes. I. I know you guys got to bounce. Thank you so much for coming on, bro.

[Jason Williams (J. Will)]

Man, thanks. Thanks for having me, bro.

[Francis]

Last.

[Jason Williams (J. Will)]

Hopefully. Hopefully we ain't got no cat lovers up here next week.

[Francis]

I'll be honest. When we had that conversation and when we did fish week, I thought people were gonna, like, destroy you about that. And then it seemed like no one gave a. For being like, anti cat.

[Jason Williams (J. Will)]

Well, look here. How about that?

[Roan]

Bars. Yeah, them, bro. What? I mean, I get why we domesticated dogs. They protect us at night. They keep watch while we're sleeping. Why do we. Why do we even domesticate cats? Because the Egyptians had some twisted idea that there was a re. Reincarnation or something.

[Francis]

Pretty much the Egyptians loved them.

[Roan]

Is that what it was?

[Francis]

Yeah.

[Roan]

Spot on, I guess.

[Francis]

Spot. It was spot on.

[Roan]

Holy.

[Francis]

That's pretty much it.

[Roan]

Well, Jay will appreciate you, bro. Go subscribe to his pod. Hooping and hollering with Roan as well. Yes, yes, of course.

[Harry]

That also.

[Francis]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Harry]

Thanks for coming, man. Thanks for having me.

[Jason Williams (J. Will)]

Appreciate it.

[Harry]

Yeah, you're the man. Still underground so I looked over. For Was I.

[Francis]

So, so that you listen now I come alive I was only falling one way I was only falling one way.

[Jason Williams (J. Will)]

I was only falling.

[Francis]

One way.

[Harry]

I was only falling one.

[Francis]

Way that is to your right did you realize no one could see Take me alive I was only falling one way. See. Memory take my hand and you can see. Satan.