Tommy reunites with close friend and collaborator Patricia Clarke for a rich, wide-ranging conversation on one of life's most important and most misunderstood questions: what does it actually mean to find and live a life of purpose? They bring two completely different approaches to the table, one intuitive and spontaneous, one intentional and structured, and together they land on something that applies to everyone regardless of age, season, or personality type. This is one of those conversations that will make you think differently about your own life.

What You'll Hear in This Episode:

Why the question of purpose never goes away and keeps changing at every age and stage of life
Patricia's Michelangelo framework: purpose is not something you implant, it is already inside you waiting to be revealed
Tommy's four P framework for finding your purpose: passion, power, personality, and purpose
Why the things that come most naturally to us are often the things we discount the most
How accepting your deficiencies, not just your strengths, is one of the most freeing parts of living on purpose
Patricia's waterfall story from Joshua Tree and why anything done in love has an eternal quality to it
Why your grandmother's mashed potato recipe matters more than you think

Timestamps:

(0:00) Intro and reunion

(3:03) Purpose is a question that never goes away

(5:47) Michelangelo and the purpose already inside you

(11:08) Patricia's approach: spontaneous, intuitive, looking back

(20:12) Tommy's four P framework: passion, power, personality, purpose

(33:21) Accepting your deficiencies and living in your lane

(44:08) The Joshua Tree waterfall and love's eternal quality

(54:56) Closing encouragement for people who feel stuck

Resources / Next Steps: Share this episode with someone who is navigating a season of uncertainty about their purpose or calling.