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Glenn Washington
We are often surprised by the shadow, startled by the unseen hand. But some of us can see into the darkness and insist instead on surprising them. You're listening to Spooked. Stay tuned.
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Rachel
One crunchy bite of a Hershey's cookies and cream bar and I'm taken right back to college. Move in Day I was a little overwhelmed by the newness of it all. Boxes were everywhere. I needed a break from unpacking. But just as I was able to take a breath and open my Hershey's cookies and cream bar, my new roommate, Rachel walked in. I offered her a piece, but she said no. Then after a beat, she said, actually, those are my favorite ones. We laughed, the ice was broken, and we've been friends ever since.
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Glenn Washington
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Glenn Washington
There are booklets you can buy that will tell you where certain ghosts reside, perhaps even give you a little bit of the backstory that caused them to be left behind. I've never purchased one of these pamphlets. I've never read one of the beautiful, ornate cards. Never gone on a ghost tour through Orleans, Savannah, Boston. Never sought out the presence of a shade. But I do understand that some feel compelled as it was drawn, to poke the sleeping bear. Perhaps it's like the kid who has to ride the roller coaster over and over and over again until he no longer screams in terror. It feels safer to think we can know exactly what it is that's waiting in the dark, even if we know better. My name is Glenn Washington. No better Spook starts now. Now you know some of these people, some of them, all they want to do is go to the haunted places, the scary spots where the they know full well that ghosties and ghoulies dwell. I do not understand this, but I'm grateful they can go into the darkness and bring back stories. Spooked
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Daniel Noah
My name is Daniel Noah. I'm a filmmaker. I've always had an incredible fascination with tales of the supernatural since I was a little boy, but I was a real non believer. I was what you call a hardcore skeptic. I didn't think any of it was real. I'm part of a company that makes horror movies and as such we're frequently invited to events that are deliberately staged at places that are alleged to be haunted. In 2000, maybe 2014, we were at the Stanley Hotel for a film festival called the Stanley Film Festival. The Stanley Hotel is in Estes, Colorado. It is purported to be the most haunted structure in the world or something like that. The Stanley Hotel is very old. It's very beautiful. It's where Stephen King apparently had some sort of an experience that led him to write the Shining. So we were all there for this festival and we were staying up late, just talking and hanging out and got a call from another friend that we were doing a Ouija board up in one of the rooms and my friends who love this kind of stuff wanted to go up and do it. And I thought it was ridiculous. I didn't believe in Ouija boards. I thought they were silly. And I didn't really want to do it, but I went along for the ride. So we went up to the room. There were maybe 15 people in this fairly large room hanging out, drinking, listening to music. And then the Ouija board came out. It wasn't the Hasbro Ouija board. It was a Ouija board that had been made by a local artist. The planchette wasn't plastic. It was. It was a. Like a wood material. And, you know, everything was handmade. It wasn't manufactured in any way. The directions were written in cursive, you know, on a piece of paper. So a group of four people got on it and started saying, if there is a spirit here, please make yourself known. And I'm sitting in the corner rolling my eyes and nothing happens, and thinking it's goofy and wishing that we would stop so that we could just get back to hanging out and catching up and not wasting time on this silly toy. Then someone said, let's try a different four people. So different four people went on, and again, nothing happened. And they said, well, let's try a different four. So I came up. It was myself and three other people whom I know very, very well. Almost immediately, the planchette started moving. And this is one of these things that is very difficult to explain to someone who wasn't there. I understand how Ouija boards are purported to work, that you're all moving them unconsciously, and, you know, you don't. Or someone's doing it deliberately to have fun with everyone, or you're all doing it without realizing it. This was different. Our fingers were on the planchette, but it was moving with such force and precision that. That I immediately could not understand what was happening. And I was looking at these three other people going, is one of my close friends trying to trick everyone? And how. How are they doing this? Because I'm looking, and everyone's fingers are just sort of lightly hovering. No one's got a grip on the thing. But this thing is. It's moving with incredible force and precision. It felt like being pulled. There's not a doubt in my mind that I was not pushing this thing. I wasn't saying anything because I was uncomfortable. There was someone else who was doing the talking. And I have a photo that. So one of the people in the room wrote, transcribed everything that was communicated on the board. And I have a photo of the stationary from the hotel with all of these notes. Written on them. So it's an exact record of everything. The first word that came through on the board was dad. The second word was mom. Third word was sorry. And then it started to fall into these repeating patterns.
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Tostitos Commercial Voice
Go.
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Daniel Noah
Mom. Mom. No.
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Glenn Washington
Swim. Mom.
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Hershey's Commercial Voice
Mom.
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Daniel Noah
Swim, swim, swim. And then someone asked her name, and she responded, a V, e. At no point did she ever say, I'm a girl. We all just knew. And then it became gibberish again and eventually came back to the word lake, lake, lake, lake. Swim, swim, lake, lake. Someone asked her, did you drown in a lake? And her answer was, yes. And someone said, were you drowned in a lake? And the answer was, mom. People in the room are becoming alarmed. The other thing that's happening is that as she's devolving into this repetition of the word swim, swim, swim. The planchette. I know how crazy this sounds. The planchette start to spin. It felt like chaos. It felt like this girl was drowning in real time. So someone said, is there anything that you want to tell us? And the answer was, hide. And the person asked, hide from what? And the answer was him. At that point, about half the people in the room left. Some of them were furious because they thought that we were playing a prank and they didn't appreciate it. What everyone in that room felt that night, even the people that were angry and leaving, was happening on a cellular level. And, you know, you hear people say, I felt the hair on the back of my neck stand up. It was that kind of a feeling. Something was happening that was absolutely undeniable. Someone said, is there anything that you would like us to do? And her answer was, follow, follow. Follow where? And the answer was. 3, 2, 4. And that was it. She was gone. The planchette stopped moving. It's like someone turned off some sort of static electricity machine or something. You just. Your whole body just relaxes. Okay, it's over. And suddenly realized, oh, she wants us to go up to room 324.
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Rachel
One crunchy bite of a Hershey's cookies and cream bar, and I'm taken right back to college. Move in. Day I was a little overwhelmed by the newness of it all. Boxes were everywhere. I needed a break from unpacking. But just as I was able to take a breath and open my Hershey's cookies and cream bar, my new roommate, Rachel walked in. I offered her a piece, but she said no. Then after a beat, she said, actually, those are my favorite ones. We left. The ice was broken, and we've been friends ever since.
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Hershey's Commercial Voice
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Tostitos Commercial Voice
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Daniel Noah
So by now I would say it's maybe three in the morning and a very, very small intrepid group of us decided to go to room 324. So we circle up the stairs and as we're ascending to the third floor, there's a couple standing on the landing who are in hysterics. We've never seen them before. They're just guests at the hotel. The woman is sobbing hysterically and the man turns to us as we're coming up the stairs behind them and he says, don't come up here. So of course we immediately went up there and the woman is like crying and the guy is, you know, he's red faced and wide eyed and pale. And we say, what happened? And they say, we saw something in the hallway. We said, well, what did you see? And the woman was incoherent. The man said it was a tiny figure. And we said, well, what did it look like? And he said, well, I didn't see it with my eyes, I saw it with my mind, but I think it was a little girl. And we said, well, where was it? And he said, I'm not going down that hallway to show you. At this point it was just myself and one other friend. We said, we're gonna walk and you tell us when to stop. So we walked and walked and walked. And he said, right there. And sure enough, it was in front of room 324. What will haunt me forever is what would have happened if they hadn't been there because she was waiting for us and would we have seen that little figure? The next day was our last day. Before we were leaving, I went down to the basement of the hotel to the archive, because when you check in, they very excitedly say, the hotel is very haunted and if you should happen to experience anything, go down and report it to the archive. Which I thought was silly when I checked in, but I went, I'm going to go report this to the archive. So I went down and I said, can you pull the folder for room 324, please? And she said, no problem. She pulled it out. And it was report after report about two children, a boy and a girl, who were very sweet, who would pull the covers off the bed or turn the lights on and off or play run around giggling. I didn't know any of that. None of us knew any of this going into this experience. A couple of weeks later, someone who had been in the room, he had found a tiny little news story about a child drowning in a lake not that far from the hotel. The name didn't quite match up. It started with a. I don't remember what it was, but it was close enough that we thought, could this be Ava? Could Ava have been her nickname? And, you know, it was a lake that no longer existed that had once been sort of adjacent to the property. The events of that night were so undeniable. I won't deny that it was exciting, because, of course, it's very exciting to think that there's more out there, that ghosts exist. The significance of that event has sunk in with me insofar as it was the beginning of what seems to be a new chapter of my life in which the denial is gone, the skepticism is obliterated, and I now consider myself what they call a sensitive.
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Glenn Washington
Thank you, Daniel Noah, for talking back to Ava. I would not have done it. I wouldn't. Now, here's a little PSA for you listeners. Don't. Whatever you do, please just leave those Ouija boards alone, damn it. Leave them alone. Just a safety tip from your boy Glenn. And here's another PSA. Daniel and his best friend, Mr. Elijah Wood, they make horror movies together. And now they have a podcast called Visitations, about all things scary and wacky and wonderful. Check out our website, spookedpodcast.org for information on their amazing show. The original score for that story was by Davey Kim. It was produced by Eliza Smith. Now our next story takes us to Key west, one of the most beautiful spots in the Lower 48, an island off the southern tip of Florida known for sunsets and warm surf, for being the birthplace of Key lime pieces. An unlikely setting for a ghost story, perhaps. Or maybe if you're a spirit, there's no better place to be spooked.
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David Sloan
I've never been to Key West.
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Hershey's Commercial Voice
It's an amazing island. There's. Some people think that the reason that it's such a haunted city is because when people die, they're still not ready to leave.
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David Sloan
David Sloan is a writer, and when he moved to Key west, he heard about this one house he really had to see.
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Hershey's Commercial Voice
The artist house is One of the most photographed houses in Key West. It's beautiful. It was built in the late 1800s and it has this turret or cupola towards the front. It's two stories. It's known for its beautiful purple shutters. And it's just an amazing house. It's very grand when you go in multiple rooms. A beautiful staircase going up.
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David Sloan
There are many legends about the artist house. David heard it was haunted by a woman named Ann. So when he went there, he asked the owner if they had a ghost.
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Hershey's Commercial Voice
And he said, oh, you want to hear about Robert? I said, no, I want to hear about Ann. Who's Robert? And he started telling me this crazy story about a haunted doll. And he said, do you want to see the room where he used to live? And I said, yeah, I do. They've got this very narrow staircase and it leads up to the attic. And there's this hatch that you open up to go into the attic. And when we got in there, there was little furniture, little chairs, little tables. It looked like somebody was setting up for a party for children, little tea party. And this negative heat energy filled the room. And it wasn't like when you walk into an attic. It wasn't a hot attic like that. It was definitely a more involved, more powerful feeling.
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David Sloan
David learned that Robert, the doll that had lived in that attic, had been donated to a local museum years ago.
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Hershey's Commercial Voice
They kept him locked in a back room. I called the museum and I said, hey, can I come see Robert? And the person who answered the phone said, you can, but not when I'm working.
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David Sloan
Eventually, the curator of the museum agreed to let David see the doll.
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Hershey's Commercial Voice
She brings Robert out into the room, and he's sitting in this little chair and Robert is. He's about three feet tall. He looks like a small child. I mean, he's stuffed with straw, covered with fabric, dressed as a sailor. Robert wears a four piece sailor suit consisting of pants, vest, jacket and hat. He had shoe button eyes painted black. When you look closely at his face, you can see a little bit of color in his cheeks and you can see some accents around his eyes. And over the years, he had termite damage. So he has little holes in his face that make him look like a burn victim. He definitely has a creep factor to him.
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David Sloan
The curator sat Robert down on a table and started talking to him.
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Hershey's Commercial Voice
Robert, this is David. He wants to take some photographs of you. And she set him down on the table and then she left. So it was me and the doll alone in the room. I snapped a couple of pictures of him. And then I wanted to remove his hat so I could get a picture of him without it. And as I went to grab for the brim of his hat, he didn't move. But he came alive. His eyes took on a gleam, and like, boom, There was something in him. He changed. He wasn't just this inanimate object. There was a definite energy to him. And I thought, oh, my God, I've got to get a picture of this. So I grabbed the camera, I tried to take a shot. It wouldn't fire. I go to take another shot. Nothing. Three shots, absolutely nothing happens. I set the camera down on the table to look at it. Boom, boom, boom. It takes the three pictures. Not looking at the doll. I go back to try to shoot the doll again. It wouldn't happen. And. And then the life went out of him, and he went back to looking just like a plain old doll.
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David Sloan
David had made a mistake. Visitors who come to the museum to see Robert the doll, and many do, must ask his permission before they take a photograph. Because if they don't, strange things tend to happen.
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Hershey's Commercial Voice
Dear Robert, I'm writing to apologize to you for taking so many pictures without asking. Asking your permission. I've read hundreds of letters that people have sent to Robert asking him to remove a curse or to forgive them.
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Rachel
Since our visit to the museum, we've
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Hershey's Commercial Voice
been under a dark cloud. There's weird stories about deer driving back from the Keys.
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Daniel Noah
A deer ran out in front of our car. We almost hit a tree.
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Hershey's Commercial Voice
Hearing giggling from somebody holding the doorknob when nobody's in the house. Last night, I was home all alone.
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David Sloan
I heard a voice.
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Hershey's Commercial Voice
Voice coming from the basement. It was Robert.
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David Sloan
At first, all David knew about Robert were the rumors he'd heard around town that the doll had belonged to the original owners of the artist house, the Otto's.
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Hershey's Commercial Voice
One of the early stories that I heard about Robert was that he was created by a servant of the family who had been mistreated and that there was some kind of voodoo in involved.
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Rachel
One crunchy bite of a Hershey's cookies and cream bar, and I'm taken right back to college Move in Day I was a little overwhelmed by the newness of it all. Boxes were everywhere. I needed a break from unpacking. But just as I was able to take a breath and open my Hershey's cookies and cream bar, my new roommate, Rachel walked in. I offered her a piece, but she said no. Then after a beat, she said, actually, those are my favorite ones. We left. The ice was broken. And we've been friends ever since.
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Hershey's Commercial Voice
Hershey's, it's your happy place. Somebody started saying that he was the inspiration for Chucky.
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Glenn Washington
I am Chucky, the killer doll, and I dig it.
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Hershey's Commercial Voice
He was not the inspiration for Chucky. You know, I wanted people to know the facts about the doll because I did want to dispel a lot of these legends.
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David Sloan
David decided to set the record straight on Robert the Doll. He started doing research.
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Hershey's Commercial Voice
There were six boxes of Otto family archives. So I just uncovered this treasure trove.
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David Sloan
Gene Otto was born in 1900 in Key West. His father was a doctor. When he was five years old, Gene received the doll as a gift.
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Hershey's Commercial Voice
Gene's real name was Robert Eugene Otto. When he got the doll, he gave it his own name. The sailor suit that he wears was a suit that Gene Otto had as a child. So Gene actually ended up dressing the doll in his own clothes. There was this bizarre attraction that he had with the doll. They were inseparable.
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David Sloan
It was clear even then that Robert was no ordinary doll.
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Hershey's Commercial Voice
His parents would leave him playing with the dollar, and they'd hear two distinct voices coming from the room. And whenever something happened, you know, something was broken. If something the kids would get in trouble for. Jean would say, I didn't do it. Robert did it.
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David Sloan
But eventually, Gene grew up and left childish things behind. He became a painter and moved to Paris, joining a group of expatriates like Ernest Hemingway and Gertrude Stein.
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Hershey's Commercial Voice
There are some great pictures of him in France where he was wearing a beret and he just looked like he had the world at his hands.
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David Sloan
In France, Jean met another young American. Her name was Annette. She also went by Anne. She was a concert pianist.
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Hershey's Commercial Voice
Annette was strikingly beautiful. She stole the scene in any room that she walked into. She was glamorous, she was funny. She was smart. She had everything going for her.
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David Sloan
Ann and Jean fell head over heels in love. They moved to New York. He painted. She played piano. They even wrote songs together. But then Gene's mother became ill. He returned to Key west to take care of her in the same house. He grew up in the same house where he played with Robert the Doll. Ann went with him.
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Hershey's Commercial Voice
When they came to Key west, she gave up her piano career to be the artist's wife.
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David Sloan
The couple made a big splash in the Key west society pages. Ann for her warm hospitality and delicious Key lime pies. Gene for his landscapes.
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Hershey's Commercial Voice
He'd paint the street scenes. He'd paint old comedy houses. He was known for his amazing ability to capture the harsh sunlight of the Florida Keys like nobody else could.
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David Sloan
But as they both grew older, that's
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Hershey's Commercial Voice
when the weird things started happening again.
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David Sloan
In his later years, Gene's health deteriorated.
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Hershey's Commercial Voice
He was sick, and I think with everything that was going on, he might not have known what he was doing. He struck up his relationship with Robert again.
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David Sloan
Gene started to spend more and more time with the doll.
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Hershey's Commercial Voice
Gene used to paint up in the turret room because there was good light up there. People who grew up in town then say that they'd see Robert sitting up in the window. Kids would go by, and they'd see Robert move from one side of the window to the other.
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David Sloan
Ann couldn't stand the doll. Things got bad between her and Jean.
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Hershey's Commercial Voice
He was cruel to her. Later in life, people say that he used to lock her in a closet. And then when confronted with the abuse, he'd say, I didn't do it. Robert did it.
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David Sloan
Jean died in a Miami Hospital in 1974. After his death, Ann learned that after everything she'd given up for him, Gene had written her out of his will and left everything to his sister.
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Hershey's Commercial Voice
Gene had done one portrait in his life, and it was a portrait of Anne, and the sister wouldn't let her have it. What he did left her with nothing, and she was very bitter about that.
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David Sloan
Ann moved to Boston, where she lived out the last years of her life.
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Hershey's Commercial Voice
It's a terrible ending. Didn't have to be that way.
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David Sloan
She refused to be buried next to her husband. The artist's house was eventually sold to new owners, and Robert the doll remained in the attic, though he didn't stay quiet about it.
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Hershey's Commercial Voice
A plumber was doing some work in the attic. He saw the doll, and the doll was sitting there. He started to go to work, and he heard giggling coming from behind him, and he turned around. Robert had moved from one side of the room to the other. He was so freaked out. He left his tools. He never even went back to the house.
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David Sloan
One day, the owner of the artist house showed up at the museum with Robert.
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Hershey's Commercial Voice
She brought him in and said, this is Gene Otto's doll. It's haunted. I don't want it anymore. And she said, it locked me in my room. I do not want this doll anymore.
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David Sloan
After doing all this research about the history of Robert the doll, David decided to write a book.
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Hershey's Commercial Voice
I think a lot of people appreciate that it is a true biography of the doll. I show where the legends came from and present the real information about Robert.
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David Sloan
David's work revealed that Robert the doll's true origin wasn't an angry Servant with voodoo powers. And in fact, the doll was made by the same company that invented the teddy bear in Germany.
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Hershey's Commercial Voice
I discovered records showing Gene's mother traveling to Germany right before his birthday.
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David Sloan
But the legend about the servant does have a kernel of truth to it. David learned about a man named William Abbott and his wife.
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Hershey's Commercial Voice
William Abbott was a manservant for Gene's grandfather and he had a wife and her name was Emmeline or Emmeline. The interesting thing about her, in the 1900 census, she shows zero children living, zero children deceased. In the 1910 census, she shows zero children living,. One child deceased. We don't know how old the child was. We don't know a lot of things, but we that she had a child when her child got sick or when her child was injured. Where is she going to take that child? She's going to go to the doctor's house.
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David Sloan
Remember, Jean's father was a doctor.
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Hershey's Commercial Voice
So I believe that she took her child to the artist house and I believe her child died in the house. And I think that's the spirit that entered Robert the doll.
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David Sloan
What do you think the child wants?
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Hershey's Commercial Voice
I think he wants what any child wants, you know, he wants to be loved. He wants people to be okay. There was an autistic boy who went to see Robert. He was very drawn to the doll.
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David Sloan
The boy's mother took a photo of her son with Robert.
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Hershey's Commercial Voice
If you look in it, you can see a little boy, the silhouette of a little boy standing in the back. And it looked like he was just holding his hand there. There's energy placed on things. Some people love Robert and they see him for this innocent little doll.
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Rachel
If you weren't a doll, I think
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Hershey's Commercial Voice
we could be friends. Then there's other people who talk about the horrible things that happened with Robert. It started with my kitten suddenly dying, my bank account being fraudulently used.
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Glenn Washington
When we arrived home, our dog, who
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David Sloan
is very friendly, began to attack Robert.
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Hershey's Commercial Voice
We both know the truth. Both of those are a result of the energy that is placed on the doll. Please forgive me.
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Daniel Noah
Please reverse this curse.
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Hershey's Commercial Voice
Did I mention how sorry I am and how cool you are?
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David Sloan
After solving the mystery of Robert the doll, David moved on with his life. Now he runs an annual Key Lime pie festival in Key west, which is the birthplace of Key lime pie.
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Hershey's Commercial Voice
We have a new champ. We do the world Key Lime Pie Eating Championships. Record time for eating a 9 inch key lime pie is 55 seconds. We do the key lime pie drop where we drop key lime pies from the top of the lighthouse and try not to have them break on the way down.
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David Sloan
And this is what brought him back to the artist house because he managed to track down Ann Otto's key lime pie recipe, and he got an idea.
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Hershey's Commercial Voice
Wouldn't it be so cool to make Ann Otto's key lime pie in the kitchen where she used to make it?
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David Sloan
So he got permission, and he baked the pie.
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Hershey's Commercial Voice
And then when I was leaving the house, I was walking down through the main hallway, and I heard the creak on the floor behind me, and I heard somebody coming up. And I turned around and nobody was there. But I felt this whoosh go through me. And I could smell the sweetest perfume. It was almost like a lavender. There was no tree blooming around. Nobody was there. And I'd like to think that that was Ann. Very pleased that somebody was actually talking about her instead of talking about that damn dollar.
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Glenn Washington
Thank you, David Sloan, for sharing your story with us. Now, I feel like I have to keep saying this over and over again, but I'm gonna say it one more time. Don't mess with haunted stuff. Not with the Ouija boards, and never, never with a haunted doll. I do not understand, but I'm grateful all the same for David coming on our show and telling us all about Robert. And thank you, Robert, for letting him do it. The original score for that story was by Renzo Goriot. It was produced by John Facile. Remember, the story never ends. The story. The story is eternal. But they won't know that unless you tell them. Tell them about Spook. Don't travel this dark path alone. If you like real stories without the ghosts and goblins, check out our sister podcast, Snap Judgment. Amazing stories. Real people, killer beats. It's cinema of soul. What is not to like? Snap Judgment. Spook was brought to you by the team that always dresses appropriately for this season. Mr. Top Hat himself, Mark Ristich, and assessment are chief spooksters. Eliza Smith, John Facile, Renzo Gorilla, Leon Morimoto, Tiffany Delisa, Anne Ford, Eric Yanez, Sala Khan. Original score by Lauren Newsom. Marissa Dodge is there. The Spook theme song, though, is by Pat Mercede Miller. My name is Glenn Washington. So whatever it is you do, wherever it is you travel, always remember to never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, ever.