Miss Withers

Summary

Spooked Podcast Episode Summary: "Miss Withers"

Podcast Information:

• Title: Spooked
• Host/Author: KQED and Snap Studios
• Description: Spooked features true-life supernatural stories, told firsthand by people who can barely believe it happened themselves. Hosted by Glynn Washington, episodes drop every Friday and are available for free on all podcast platforms.
• Episode: Miss Withers
• Release Date: June 27, 2025

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Introduction

In the "Miss Withers" episode of Spooked, hosts Glynn Washington delves into a hauntingly personal story shared by identical twin brothers, Ron and Mike. This episode explores themes of family, loss, and the supernatural, providing listeners with a gripping narrative of childhood experiences that border on the otherworldly.

Meeting Ron and Mike

Ron and Mike's Early Life

• Timestamp [05:00]: Ron introduces himself and his brother Mike, revealing they discovered they are identical twins only at the age of 38. Ron humorously states, "I tend to be correct. Just kidding" ([05:22]).
• The twins recount their childhood in Norwalk, California, where they lived with their grandmother and auntie on their mother's side.

The Stranger's Arrival

• Timestamp [05:57]: A man arrives unexpectedly, claiming to be their father. Ron recalls, "I was like, where are we?" indicating their confusion and fear.
• Mike describes their father as "pretty skinny, but with a beer belly, dirty brown hair, and he had some very thick sideburns" ([06:29]).

Journey to Oregon

The Road Trip

• Timestamp [05:57]: The twins endure a two and a half-day journey to Oregon in a seatbelt-free pickup truck, unsure of their destination.
• They pass idyllic yet monotonous landscapes, noting, "there was not much to see or really that popped out" ([07:06]).

Arrival at the Old Schoolhouse

• Timestamp [07:30]: The truck stops at an isolated, weathered building with a bell steeple—later identified as the Old Mill Schoolhouse.
• Family members greet them, but Ron and Mike feel displaced in the barren, overgrown environment.

Encounter with Ms. Withers

First Impressions

• Timestamp [12:22]: The twins explore their new room in the attic, discovering an old classroom setup.
• Ron describes seeing a woman, Ms. Withers, who introduces herself and begins teaching them basic math: "One plus one is two" ([13:02]).

Supernatural Interaction

• Timestamp [20:46]: Ron experiences a chilling night where he sees Ms. Withers as a spectral figure. He narrates, "She's facing me, and she slowly bends down like she's gonna get a book or something, and smiles at me. And she's gone" ([25:18]).
• Mike reflects on the experience: "I really wanted her to be real" ([26:01]).

Uncovering the Past

Aunt Pat's Investigation

• Timestamp [27:02]: Ron visits Aunt Pat in Dayville, Oregon, who uncovers historical records about Miss Mary Withers, a teacher who died at the Old Mill School in the mid-1800s.
• Mike shares his reaction: "It just made my heart race and gave me goosebumps" ([29:04]).

Revisiting the Schoolhouse

• Timestamp [29:27]: In 2019, Ron ventures back to the now-abandoned schoolhouse, finding it boarded up and eerily silent.
• He attempts to contact Ms. Withers, but the encounter leaves him without confirmation of her presence.

Emotional Impact and Reflections

Brothers' Bond

• Throughout their ordeal, Ron and Mike emphasize the strength of their bond. They share childhood memories, such as singing "Good Night Song" with their family ([34:37]).

Host's Insights

• Glynn Washington concludes: "I'm convinced of that [good in people]. And I found that in my dad here and there" ([34:30]).
• He reflects on the magic of providing comfort and safety to those in need, drawing parallels to the brothers' experiences.

Conclusion

"Miss Withers" is a compelling episode that intertwines personal trauma with supernatural elements, showcasing how deeply familial bonds can influence our perception of the unknown. Ron and Mike's story serves as a testament to resilience and the enduring search for comfort amidst chaos.

Notable Quotes

• Ron: “I just remember getting into the front seat of a seatbelt free pickup and riding for two and a half days to Oregon and just being like, where are we?” ([05:57])
• Mike: “She had brown hair and she had a lacy white dress and her lace up boots were brown.” ([11:29])
• Ron: “One plus one is two” ([13:02])
• Ron: “She's facing me, and she slowly bends down like she's gonna get a book or something, and smiles at me. And she's gone.” ([20:46])
• Mike: “I really wanted her to be real.” ([26:01])

Call to Action

At the end of the episode, host Glynn Washington invites listeners to share their own supernatural experiences, encouraging engagement and community storytelling. He states, "There is nothing better than a spooked story from a spooked listener" ([35:00]).

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Transcript

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[Mike]

Sam.

[Glenn Washington]

Today we're gonna hear from two brothers.

[Ron]

My name is Ron. I'm here on the right, and my.

Name is Mike on the left. We're identical twins. Ron is 11 minutes older than myself.

We just found out we're identical when we're 38.

[Glenn Washington]

Six.

[Ron]

Oh, 38.

Ron always thought we were identical and I always thought we were fraternal.

I tend to be correct. Just kidding.

[Glenn Washington]

Your story, it goes way back when. Our brothers Ron and Mike are just four years old. They're living with their grandma and their auntie on their mom's side of the family in California. But one day this man shows up and he says that the two little guys, they're coming with him, spooked.

[Ron]

I just remember getting into the front seat of a seatbelt free pickup and riding for two and a half days to Oregon and just being like, where are we? Halfway into the trip, he said something about like, you're my boy or you're my boys. And I was like, okay, I guess this is our dad.

He wasn't around, so it was just really unfamiliar guy, you know, he was.

[Mike]

Pretty skinny, but with a beer belly, dirty brown hair, and he had some very thick sideburns. That was just so uncomfortable that this guy was taking my brother and I. I recall just being like, why do we have to leave? Why are we not staying here with the people we love and trust who raised us? But I also had some comfort of knowing that my brother was with me.

[Ron]

We were looking out the windows, of course, I saw just fields and open land. At one point there was a river that we passed that was actually really pretty. Other than that, there was not much to see or really that popped out. The truck pulls off the highway. We pulled up into a narrow, fairly steep dirt road that had embankments on either side. It had clearly been carved out of the land. And I see this wood faced building with a bell steeple, bell. Just a standalone building on its own with, with nothing else around it except for a few sparse trees, very high, overgrown tall grass. It looked very weathered and it was extremely old. The bell was rusty on the outside and some broken out windows. I remember thinking, what is it? Is it a church? Is it a. What is this? We got out of our dad's old truck and shortly after a car pulled up and it was full of. We didn't know who. And we all got out and walked up and I realized it was some of my family members on my dad's side. My grandmother who's my dad's mom, his sister who's my aunt Pat and her daughter who's my cousin Michelle. I don't even know if we had.

Seen them before that we had seen them. I don't know how.

Anyway, they showed up and greeted them and gave them hugs and walked up to this house. They were talking to my dad and to each other more than anything. And my brother and I were just looking around. Barren, large open room is what we see. And an iron fireplace off to the far wall and then a staircase almost vertical, wooden.

My dad had cut a bunch of wood and he put kindling in the wood burning fireplace and lit a fire and was showing everyone around the house and he told them the story of how he procured this house. He met a couple named Bennis and Ori who he said, I just want to get the hell out of the city. I'd love to live in the country. And they're like, well, funny you should say that. We have a farm in the middle of Oregon, very rural and if you take care of the animals, you can.

Live there for free.

So he said, great, I'm gonna get my boys and move to the sticks.

We looked at each other, we're like thinking, wait, what, is he serious? Like, is this the house? Because everything was still in shambles. And then he said, hey boys, if you want to see your room, it's going to be upstairs. So you can go see it if you want to, but watch out for nails. So we walk up the staircase and it's very steep and we have to use both hands.

I just remember looking around and seeing a bunch of desks with dust on them, old, old desks. And wondering, how is this a bedroom? This looks like a school room or something. And just being kind of worried that it was so dirty.

I'm facing the back wall and as I turn around to see the Rest of the room, there's a woman standing there. I'm thinking, wait, someone's already here. Like, why is she.

[Mike]

Who is she?

[Ron]

She looked to be in her probably early 20s.

[Mike]

She had brown hair and she had a lacy white dress and her lace up boots were brown.

[Ron]

Just standing there with a pleasant look on her face, a smile partially kind of like resting, happy face.

[Mike]

We just thought she was some woman that was in our bedroom and we didn't know why. We thought it was my dad's friend maybe, or my aunt's friend. And she said, hi boys, how are you? She was definitely friendly and I just felt comfortable. For the first time since we left.

[Ron]

She asked us our names. So we told her that I'm Ron and he's Mike. And then she said, well, I'm Ms. Withers, nice to meet you boys.

And then she said, are you boys in school? And we said, no, we're not in school yet. And she said, well, this, you know, this is a schoolhouse where we're at right now.

[Mike]

And it was called Old Mill School.

[Ron]

And I used to teach here. Do you boys know what math is? And we both said no.

And she said, well, I want to teach you something.

And she braced one finger and then her other finger and she slowly brought them together and she said, one plus one is two.

I remember her on the desk putting a plus sign and saying this means more and a minus sign and saying this means less with her finger in dust.

Just the way that she explained things was so clear for our little brains.

We talked to her for all of maybe a minute, maybe a minute and a half at most, and thought, well, okay, we've seen, we've seen the room, time to go back down. So we just said, okay, bye. When we went back downstairs, my dad asked, what do you think about your room? And we said, oh, you know, we like it. The lady's nice. And I remember my aunt, she looked at us and I saw a shocked look and I was surprised, thinking, what did I say wrong?

[Mike]

She was like cheap white. She just kept saying, what?

[Ron]

What are you talking about? What are you boys talking about?

[Mike]

And we both proceeded to tell her about the woman that is in the attic in our bedroom that used to be a schoolteacher in that schoolhouse.

[Ron]

She turned and went up the stairs herself, by herself, and shortly came right back down and looks over at my dad and grandma and her daughter and kind of shrugs like, huh? And says, no, no one.

[Mike]

I was like, oh, she must have gone somewhere.

[Ron]

And they were like, are you sure that there's a lady in your bedroom? And we said yeah. And we described her again and talked about math and no one taught us anything about math at that point in time in our lives. So they were like, wait, what? What did you say? One plus one is what? And they were testing us. You know, they were kind of quizzing us, like, are you sure there was a woman up in the attic?

We didn't push the issue or anything and go back up there. We just went on with the next thing. They quickly changed the subject and talked about the plan. My dad is going to build out the house.

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[Ron]

Our dad and got a couple twin beds and put them in the attic and that was our bedroom. It was very cold.

And very creaky.

The days went on that we were there. They consisted of helping our dad to fix up the place. We helped him frame off a room for his room downstairs and got used to things like cutting firewood for the fire, things that we had never, never done before. We definitely were feeling like we were out of place. We were raised in Norwalk, California which is a small LA county town, so an actual community and neighbors that we knew well and then this coming out to you middle of nowhere and we were definitely homesick for the family that raised us.

[Mike]

They would send things here and there in the mail like McDonald's Happy Meal toys. We were really into Happy Meals and I would feel like, oh, you know it came from them but why can't we go to them why can't we go home? I really miss them.

[Ron]

When our dad was there, he could be pretty harsh. And as a result, his mom came to live on the property and would take care of us when she could. She wasn't always there, and we'd have to fend for ourselves, more or less. We started school when we were six and a school bus, believe it or not, would come all the way out there to bring us to the nearest town called Dayville, Oregon. I think we had a class of six, us and four people.

[Mike]

We'd go outside a lot, find things to do that were not at home.

[Ron]

We would build, like, jumps for the bike that we shared. We would take chicken coops apart and made those into little forts. It was a little bit of a hard situation that we made it through together.

[Mike]

When we met a lady in the attic, I remember feeling so comfortable and at ease.

[Ron]

She did cross my mind, and I thought we would see her at some point, that maybe she would knock on the door even, and we didn't see her.

I remembered being sad that we didn't see her anymore because she was so kind.

[Mike]

But, you know, as the days go on, you just sort of forget. So we. We moved on from that.

[Ron]

It was the middle of the night, and I woke up thinking that my brother left the window open because. And it's ice cold in the room. I looked over and I saw what I thought was the curtain moving. And being illuminated by the moonlight was this shimmery blue light. I moved to sit up because I was going to go close the window. But then as I moved, I realized this. This curtain, what I thought it was a curtain, looked like a person. It's the figure of a woman in a dress. And I'm like, that's not. That's not normal. It looks very weird. Like, what am I looking at? So I just kept staring and waiting. And then the light moves forward and it comes more into focus for me. I'm seeing her eyes and her dress and her hair and even the tops of the boots and then her legs. They basically dissipated just below her knees. She just goes away at the bottom, but she's still walking. And then I could see all the way through her. My first thought was, that can't be real. I can't be seeing what I'm seeing right now. And then I recognize her. That's. That's her. That's the teacher. I'm immediately remembering everything about seeing her the first day. She's got the same hair, same style of dress, but I can't see the color of anything other than this bluish light. I'm just terrified because I just shouldn't be seeing this. I'm shaking from cold and fear. She was looking forward and walking away from that window toward us in the room. I look over to my left toward Mike and saw that he was completely out cold. If I run, my brother's still going to be here. So I just laid there and waited because I'm hoping he's going to wake up and see what I'm seeing and be able to leave with me if we need to. So she keeps walking with feet not there. There's a bookshelf that's across the room at the foot of my bed. It's about waist high for an adult. Maybe it's just a kid's bookshelf. And she keeps coming across the room and then ends up behind this bookshelf and turns and looks directly at me. My heart was definitely racing. I had been slowly pulling the covers up over me the whole time as this happened, up to the base of my eyes. And I'm holding my blanket tight because this is crazy. So she's facing me, and she slowly bends down like she's gonna get a book or something, and smiles at me. And she's gone. And the room is immediately warmer. After this happened, I just was blown away. I thought about waking Mike up, but I just felt too afraid to move. I stayed up most of the rest of that night until the sun came up and fell asleep. Finally, my brother woke me up and said, you know, let's go. We always just kind of ran down, and we would have to do things like chop more firewood first thing. I was really tired because I hadn't really slept much that night. And I was like, did you hear anything last night? Thinking maybe he did what I did in a way and just stayed still. And maybe he was awake and he was just not opening his eyes out of fear or something. And he's like, what are you talking about? And then I told him what happened.

[Mike]

I was immediately upset with myself for not waking up and missing her. Like, oh, that loss of not being able to see her again. I was like, damn it. Like, how did I miss that? But then going, wait, was. Was that. Was she real? Wait, she. She wasn't real. Realizing that she wasn't a person that was here with us was disappointing to say the least. You know, she could have been someone in the house that had the calm and the normalcy that my brother and I so desired as the young People we were without a mother figure. I felt sort of almost devastated. I really wanted her to be real.

[Ron]

I think we were about eight or so. My aunt had moved to that town, Dayville, the nearest town. We were in town to hang out with our friend Bobby, and his house was only maybe 10 houses down. I decided to go see if my aunt was home and knocked on the door. She was home. So she said, come on in. I remember just hanging out with her and just eating some snacks and just talking. And she said, you know that when you boys got to the schoolhouse, you told me something that I never forgot. And she told me. I looked into it and I found out some information.

[Mike]

I was outside playing with Bobby and Levi, and I remember Ron coming out and telling me that Aunt Pat just told me something crazy about the schoolhouse. I could see in his face that it was something that he needed to tell me right at that moment. And I was like, what?

[Ron]

She told me that she went to John Day. It's the biggest town where it actually has, like a sizable library and things like that with public records in it. And she went and started researching that area and found records that referenced the old mill school. And she kept reading back and reading back and reading back because we told her the name and found that Miss Withers, Mary Withers, was a teacher at that location in the mid-1800s. At some point, she had died on that property. And I don't know exactly how that's all she could find.

[Mike]

Hearing what my brother just told me, I was like, no way. It just made my heart race and gave me goosebumps on both my arms because hearing actual factual details about it, it became just all the more real.

[Ron]

I honestly was excited. I almost felt breathless because not a lot of people can say that they met someone from the other side by name and then verified their name from 150 years before. So in 2019, I had gone on a trip, and on the way back home, I made it a point to go back to the schoolhouse to see it again. As I pulled up to the property, it's gated with several signs on the outside of the gate that say, don't come in. So I parked the car and jump right over the gate. I walked all the way around the building and the bell's gone now and boards on every window.

[Mike]

I was in my studio in LA and my phone vibrated and I was like, oh, it's Ron. And I was like, he's FaceTiming. I was like, why are you FaceTiming me?

[Ron]

I pick it up, dude. Guess where I'm at. And I turned the camera backward, and.

[Mike]

I was like, oh, my God, there it is. It was unnerving, but also, like, cool to see it again after all these years. I was like, dude, you have to get in there somehow. He's like, I don't know. It's trespassing.

[Ron]

It's boarded up.

[Mike]

And I was like, you know, there's not a soul for miles and miles. Like, just do it.

[Ron]

He gave me a little push, and.

[Mike]

I was like, screw it.

[Ron]

I gotta know I'm here. So we get off the call, and I went up to the front and on the porch, made sure not to fall through any holes. Pulled on the board to the. On the left window, and it gave away some. So I pulled it off, set it aside, and just climbed through the window. Everything was taken apart, busted apart, just kind of decimated. But the stairwell was still there. So I walked up the stairs. I was very empty and very dirty and dusty and a giant dead rat just hanging out, just dead on the floor, but otherwise just all the way empty. I sat there for a while, upstairs in the attic with my legs dangling through the stairwell hole and just stayed quiet. Being there was heavy. A lot of, you know, memories coming back about family, things that happened there, kind of harsh things with our dad, and then memories of her being there. The two times that I was aware of her. I did talk to Ms. Withers and said, hey, it's me, Ron. If you're here, just come in to say hi. And then I waited just in case, but I didn't see her. So then I came back outside and took a deep breath and called my brother back and just said, yeah, Well, I went all the way in, and I didn't feel anyone or anything there.

[Mike]

I think she showed herself when we first arrived to comfort us because we were so disoriented and confused by who the people were in our life at that time and where we were. And I think that she was there to just reassure us that we were okay with all the chaos that ensued there with my dad. It was a very disjointed life.

[Ron]

But everyone has good in them. I'm convinced of that. And I found that in my dad here and there.

[Mike]

We wrote a song with him when we were probably five. Aunt Pat played guitar, and my brother and I sang. This was recorded when we were about five and a half. It's called the Good Night Song.

[Glenn Washington]

Are you doing this, Mary Jane?

[Ron]

Okay, good. Ready?

[Mike]

Okay.

Good night.

[Ron]

Louder.

[Mike]

Good night. I'm hoping that you sleep real tight and I'll see you in the morning and we'll start a brand new day well, when you're up in your land to sure hope all your dreams with your covers all scrunched up under your head and your pillow on top of your feet Good night, good night I'm hoping I can sleep real tight and see you in the morning I'll start a brand new day well, when that sleep the sun comes up over the hill Then the roosters begin to crow well, we'll grab some eggs and bacon Hands down to the fish, you know so good night, Good night I'm hoping I sleep real tight and we'll see you in the morning and we'll start a brand new day well, when that moon comes up over the hill that's the ending of our day well, we'll walk on home and we'll sing a song about the one who got away so good night, Good night I'm hoping that you sleep real tight and I'll see you in the morning Walk Start a brand new day well, see you in the morning we'll start a brand new day.

[Glenn Washington]

Thank you, Mike and Ron, for sharing your story. Now, Spooksters, guess what, Mike and Ron, they are listeners to this show. So if you have a story about your own Ms. Withers, your own teacher, or your own protector from the other side, don't keep it to yourself. Write it down and send it to me. Spooked snapjudgment.org [e-mail] because there is nothing better than a spooked story from a spooked listener. The original score was by Laura Newsom. It was produced by Zoe Ferrigno and Ann Ford. So, Spooksters, I've got a query for you. I know you love to hear these journeys through the shadow, but would you like to see a journey follow Spooked on YouTube, on Instagram, the socials magic comes in many forms. And do you too have a family member that saw what you saw? Were they standing next to you when it all went down? Well, I want to speak with both of you. Hit me up. Spooked sampjudgment.org because there's nothing better better than a spooked story from a spooked listener. Spooked is brought to you by the team who wonders every day what it would be like to have an identical twin. Except, of course, for Mark Ristich. The very idea of 2 marks is a notion best not contemplated. There's Davey Kim, Zoe Frigno, Ann Ford, Eric Yanez, Teo Ducat, Marissa Dodge, Myles Lassie, Doug Stewart, Paulina Creaky, Elizabeth V. Pardue, Datiamattu and Lulu Jemima and Team Snap. The union representative, producers, artists, editors, engineers are members of the national association of Broadcast Employees and Technicians, Communications workers of America, AFL CIO Local 51. The spook theme song is by Pat Mercede Miller. My name is Glenn Washington, and growing up in a home that was often unstable, I learned there were other homes that always seemed able to accommodate another chair around the dinner table, where it was never a thing to place some extra blankets on the fold out couch. And these way stations were a lifeline for me, the power to draw these safe circles that youngsters seek for refuge. It is a special type of alchemy and I'm lucky as an adult to witness this unconscious magic in dear friends of mine. Somehow, unbidden, they just emanate a signal that lets the trepidatious know it is safe to come near, it's safe to rest, to heal. A field that promises monsters cannot enter here. And I marvel at such easy magic. It is no mean feat to convince the desperate that you mean them no harm. And I remember being the desperate, the lost head bowed, searching for that warm glow that opened the door. And to those that mother and to those of you that father that comfort children who are not your own, I thank you. I thank you. And I ask that you never ever, never ever, ever, never ever turn out your light.