When Doves Cry

Summary

Spooked – "When Doves Cry" (June 23, 2026)

Host: Glynn Washington
Guest/Storyteller: Sarah Wright
Producer: Anna Sussman
Main Theme:
A haunting, heartfelt meditation on isolation, loss, and the mysterious threads connecting humans and animals — all told through the lifelong bond between an ecologist and a remarkable dove named Lily B.

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Overview

In this introspective and poignant episode, Spooked dives into the secret inner world of Sarah Wright, an ecologist who has experienced profound interspecies communication. The episode unravels Sarah's unique relationship with animals, particularly her telepathic connection with an African collared dove named Lily B. Through grief, solitude, and the healing power of animal companionship, Sarah's tale is a testament to the transcendent and sometimes supernatural bonds we can form with other creatures.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

Sarah's Childhood: The Seeds of Connection

• Isolation in Nature: Growing up in the forests of the northeast, Sarah and her younger brother became deeply intertwined with wildlife, lacking most human company.
  • "We had nothing to distract us. And nobody was ever bothering us. We related to almost everything wild, everything we could get our hands on. I was three years older than my little brother, but we were soul mates." (06:10, Sarah Wright)
• First Impossibility: A formative experience freeing a skunk, communicating wordlessly, affirmed to Sarah the possibility of animal understanding.
  • "We both understood that the skunk knew exactly what we were saying. ...We wanted to get to know him better and we'd like to see him again." (07:01, Sarah Wright)

Loss and Withdrawal

• Losing Her Brother: Sarah’s brother dies young, leaving her without her sole confidant in perceiving animal intelligence.
  • "After his death, it became a huge problem. It was much harder after it got to be just me, because I always had him to depend on." (09:04, Sarah Wright)
• Solitude as Self-Preservation: Sarah withdraws to the woods, working as a nature writer, but also grappling with crushing loneliness.
  • "Some days I'm perfectly fine just being by myself, but there are other days when I am unbearably lonely." (09:54, Sarah Wright)

Enter Lily B.: The Dove Who Listens

• Origins of the Bond: Sarah, reluctant to keep a caged bird, adopts Lily B., an African collared dove rescued from likely death.
  • "I always wanted a bird, but I could not bear the idea of having a caged bird because birds need to fly and they need to be free." (11:06, Sarah Wright)
  • She buys Lily B. for $5, and he instantly becomes her companion, with quirky preferences for Havarti cheese and Mozart.
• Telepathic Breakthroughs: Sarah notices Lily B. coos in a specific triple pattern whenever she hits an intellectual revelation in her ecological writing.
  • "If it was something really important, he had a special triple coo that he would use... it took me six months to get it that he was reading my mind. But after six months, I knew he was reading my mind." (14:17 & 15:31, Sarah Wright)
  • "So when he cooed, I paid attention. I said, oh, okay, I get it." (17:06, Sarah Wright)
• Fear of Being Seen as 'Crazy': Academic and social stigma keeps Sarah quiet about her experiences for decades.
  • "Because of crazy. I knew people were going to think I was crazy, so I didn't talk about it, period." (10:49, Sarah Wright)

Crisis: Lily B. Flies Away

• Lily B. escapes out an open door, tries to court local mourning doves, but—heartbreakingly—no wild birds accept him. (23:10–24:01)
  • "He's chasing the mourning doves from tree to tree right around the house, over and over and over. Watched him the whole time, fly after one mourning dove after another... He's trying to find a mate. And I could feel that. I knew it." (23:49–24:04, Sarah Wright)
• After six weeks, Lily B. returns home—Sarah gets him companion doves, searching until she finds Lucia, the "love of his life".
  • "They were never separate. They ate together. ...If one flew, the other one followed. They never were separated." (25:21, Sarah Wright)

Love, Grief, and Reconnection

• Lucia’s Passing: Lucia dies suddenly, sending both Sarah and Lily B. into mourning.
  • "He was on his perch, but he flew down. He was so clearly in mourning, he wouldn't leave her. So I left her there. ...He was inconsolable." (27:10, Sarah Wright)
  • Sarah buries Lucia in a wildflower patch (29:06).
• The Need for a New Mate: Sarah asks Lily B. if he wants another mate. In their now-custom cooing code, he responds with a triple coo, signaling he does not. Their bond returns as before.
  • "And when I wrote those words, he spoke for the first time. He cooed three times. And so I knew. ...That was when he became my bird again." (29:41–30:00, Sarah Wright)

Old Age, Acceptance, and Freedom

• Lily B. at 35: Well past the expected life span, Lily B. remains Sarah’s companion as they age together.
  • "It's been him and me, you know, and it's okay. He's an old bird now. He's starting to lose his vision. And we're just getting old together." (31:22, Sarah Wright)
• Freedom in Eccentricity: Sarah embraces being an "old woman in the woods" and finally shares her truth openly.
  • "I have reached the point now where I'm just not shutting up about it. Yeah, he reads. Lily B. Reads my mind... The nice thing about being a very strange old woman is that I am free to say any damn thing I want." (33:54 & 34:10, Sarah Wright)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• “All of those sorts of things. We were both so excited, we ran home. When we ran home, we immediately told we were my parents. And of course, what came back was we were imagining things.” (07:01, Sarah Wright)
• “It put me over the edge because at that time... everything is intellectualized. I had at that point been academically trained not to believe in this.” (16:23, Sarah Wright)
• “Does accepting that also mean accepting a certain amount of isolation from the rest of the world?”
  “Yes.” (18:15–18:22, Interviewer & Sarah Wright)
• “He just enjoyed riding with me.” (13:10, Sarah Wright, on Lily B.’s car rides)
• “They were never separate. ...He brought her presence.” (25:21–25:59, Sarah Wright, on Lily B. & Lucia)
• “He wouldn't leave her. So I left her there as long as he needs her.” (27:10, Sarah Wright, after Lucia's death)
• “I've become the old woman who lives in the woods with a bunch of animals... kind of like a Baba Yaga figure.” (17:06, Sarah Wright)
• “All I have to offer is my own experience... If you don't want to believe that interspecies communication is a reality, that's your problem.” (34:27, Sarah Wright)

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Important Timestamps

• Sarah's introduction & childhood: 03:50–08:19
• Brother’s death and isolation: 08:46–10:26
• Fear of ridicule, communication with animals: 10:26–11:02
• Lily B.’s arrival and bond: 11:06–13:30
• Discovery of telepathy/code: 14:17–17:06
• Lily B. escapes & attempts mating: 19:17–24:01
• Lucia’s arrival and loss: 24:35–28:50
• Mutual grieving and reconnection: 29:28–31:05
• Their old age together: 31:22–33:42
• Embracing her reality and going public: 33:42–34:30

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Tone & Language

The episode is gently eerie, meditative, and emotionally raw. Sarah speaks with poetic clarity; her acceptance of her strange and extraordinary life is matter-of-fact, tinged with both loneliness and peace. The interviewer’s gentle, present tone lets Sarah’s unique experience claim the full depth of its strangeness and beauty.

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Final Thoughts

"When Doves Cry" is less a ghost story than a meditation on the boundaries between ourselves and the natural world—and what it costs to hold truths the world finds implausible. Through grief, love, aging, and the constant company of the unexplained, Sarah and Lily B. exemplify how connection can endure, evolve, and sustain—across languages, species, and lifetimes.

"All I have to offer is my own experience... If you don't want to believe that interspecies communication is a reality, that's your problem." (34:27, Sarah Wright)

Transcript

[Host]

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SPOOKSTERS today we begin with a secret. Our story is from Sarah Wright, an ecologist who writes about animal behavior and patterns in the natural world. There's one truth that Sarah knows about nature that she'd never want to speak about. Our assessment asked pretty pretty please if Sarah would tell us her secret.

[Interviewer]

Sarah Wright told me that if I wanted to talk to her about her story, I'd have to come to her. So I drove to western Maine and ended up in the middle of nowhere in the mountains on a dirt road. And it got narrower and narrower until there was no road left, just forest. And then I got out of the car and walked through the trees. And then I saw a tiny old woman with two long silver braids and high cheekbones watering a patch of wildflowers in front of a log cabin. Hello,

[Sarah Wright]

How are you? Anna, Good to meet you. Good to meet you too.

[Interviewer]

What a beautiful cabin. Are we to going?

[Sarah Wright]

Okay, we're gonna go on the porch, but right now we're gonna go inside.

[Interviewer]

Sarah brings me inside the cabin. A wood walled living room with an aging couch, a screened in porch. On her little white fridge she's scrawled in a black Sharpie, long slanting lists of animals and plants.

[Sarah Wright]

I say okay. Sandhills arrive, turkey displays. I don't know. I do this every year. Grouse drums, cardinal songs. Titmouse arrives.

[Interviewer]

Oh it goes around to the front to go around the other side of the fence. There's bears, frogs. She lives profoundly isolated in the woods. In the winter she has to snowshoe to her car. But she loves the woods. She grew up playing in the great forests of the northeast with only the animals and her little brother as company.

[Sarah Wright]

We had nothing to distract us. And nobody was ever bothering us. We related to almost everything wild, everything we could get our hands on. I was three years older than my little brother, but we were soul mates.

[Interviewer]

They'd wade through swamps and build forts and collect frogs. This one time, they even caught a skunk in a live trap.

[Sarah Wright]

My grandmother said, no, don't get near that trap. He's going to, you know, spray us. And we said, no, he's not. He's not. He's not. He never did, of course. And so secretly, we went to the trap and let him out.

[Interviewer]

And when they did, the skunk walked slowly out of the trap and then turned to the kids and looked them in the eyes. And that's when they asked it to be their friend. Did you feel he understood you?

[Sarah Wright]

Oh, absolutely. We both understood that the skunk knew exactly what we were saying. And, of course, his behavior demonstrated his response that we were friends and we wanted to get to know him better and we'd like to see him again. All of those sort of. All of those sorts of things. We were both so excited, we ran home. When we ran home, we immediately told we were my parents. And of course, what came back was we were imagining things. Well, the whole incident was discounted as a figment of two children's imagination, But

[Interviewer]

Sarah was convinced that it wasn't her imagination. And this would be the beginning of a hunch she had about communication between animals and humans. Sarah and her brother set up the trap near their house again. And did he come back to the trap again?

[Sarah Wright]

Yes, again and again and again. And he became kind of like a pet, but he wasn't a pet. He was a wild animal.

[Interviewer]

It went on like this. They had friendships with animals, and when Sarah and her brother grew up, still, whenever they would have encounters with wild animals that they couldn't explain to anyone else, they had each other. Sarah would call him and tell him about the conversation she had with the pheasants outside her kitchen window. He would tell her about the new skunk under his house he had befriended.

[Sarah Wright]

It was always him, so there were always two of us. And then there wasn't.

[Interviewer]

Sarah's brother died unexpectedly in his 20s.

[Sarah Wright]

My brother and I were very isolated, which was no problem until he died. And after his death, it became a huge problem. It was much harder after it got to be just me, because I always had him to depend on.

[Interviewer]

Once she lost her brother, Sarah's life got pretty dark. She had gotten married, but it fell apart. So eventually, after many years of living as a Shell of a person. Sarah did the only thing that felt right. She moved deep into the woods and she began to write about animals and trees. Eventually, she was alone.

[Sarah Wright]

Some days I'm perfectly fine just being by myself, but there are other days when I am unbearably lonely. I pictured myself. As a person who had a family and lots of animals. Well, the animal part for sure came through. The rest did not.

[Interviewer]

She went to school and she got advanced degrees in ecology. And she could dialogue with her professors and her peers about animal behavior and patterns in the natural world. But then there were other observations. Observations she didn't dare share with her colleagues about interspecies communication. Why didn't you want to talk about it?

[Sarah Wright]

Because of crazy. I knew people were going to think I was crazy, so I didn't talk about it, period.

[Interviewer]

Tell me, why did you want a dove?

[Sarah Wright]

Oh, gosh, that's such a great question. That takes me back when I was a very, very small child, when I first learned how to draw and I was drawing as you know, it's a toddler, I used to draw little doves. I had a thing about doves. I had always wanted a bird, but I could never. I could not bear the idea of having a caged bird because birds need to fly and they need to be free. So I was never able to resolve that conflict.

[Interviewer]

But then she discovered an opportunity to save a dove from potentially being killed.

[Sarah Wright]

I don't know if I read it or saw it, but I found out that they imported African collared doves into the US to sit on exotic birds eggs. And then they set them free and of course most of them died.

[Interviewer]

Sarah found an average looking African collared dove at a pet store for $5 in a nearby town and drove him home in a little box on her front seat. She named him Lily B. Lily because she always liked that name. And B. Because he was a boy. Lily Boy. And Sarah and Lily b. Became instant BFFs.

[Sarah Wright]

I loved him. I just loved him. And he liked the kitchen because he loved to watch me cook. And that's how I discovered he loved Havarti cheese. Anytime I was in the kitchen, he was in the kitchen. Anything I cooked, he wanted to taste.

[Interviewer]

Lily B. Liked Mozart on the record player and sitting in the window and watching the wild birds outside.

[Sarah Wright]

Lily B. Liked to go for rides in the car. I would take him with me and he would perch either on the seat or his favorite place was the dashboard and sit up there and just. He just enjoyed riding with me.

[Interviewer]

Why do you Think he liked riding in the car.

[Sarah Wright]

I think the scenery, I mean, always, always paying attention. We just had a life. I would wake up and he would start cooling. He would just cool and cooing, cooing, cooing. And I'd say, oh, good morning, sweetheart.

[Interviewer]

Sarah had become a full time professional ecology writer, delivering articles to nature journals and online magazines about her observations and her research.

[Sarah Wright]

Every morning I journaled and he was always in the room with me in the early morning.

[Interviewer]

But then something kind of beautiful started to happen when Sarah would sit down to write her scientific observations.

[Sarah Wright]

The reality is, if I was writing about, and I was always writing about nature, and if it was something really important, he had a special triple COO that he would use. The thing is, the cool was so. It was so insistent. It was louder than his regular coos. And at first, you know, I thought it was interesting. It took me, believe it or not, it took me six months to get it that he was reading my mind. But after six months, I knew he was reading my mind. And I was also dealing with the fact that I might be crazy. And so that was really scary.

[Interviewer]

Tell me if I'm. If I have the correct understanding.

[Sarah Wright]

Okay.

[Interviewer]

You would be journaling. Lily B. Would be next to you.

[Sarah Wright]

Correct.

[Interviewer]

And when you would have a maybe, you know, when we're writing, you get to a point where things click or you.

[Sarah Wright]

And inside any kind of. I don't like that word. Revelations, a breakthrough, a landing, anything, anything. And that damn that bird,

[Interviewer]

he would coo three times.

[Sarah Wright]

Only three times.

[Interviewer]

So, for example, Sarah would begin to write a piece about her observations, let's say, about mice or bears. And she would begin to work out a theory on pen and paper. And Lily B. Would coo three times if she was on the right track.

[Sarah Wright]

And I mean, it put me over the edge because at that time, you know, I had done, you know, I'd done graduate work and everything is intellectualized. I had at that point been academically trained not to. To believe in this.

[Interviewer]

So she kept it to herself. Well, herself and Lily B. I mean,

[Sarah Wright]

I knew it was happening and I believed him. I believed Lily B. I mean, you do.

[Interviewer]

The whole scene is, you know, like crazy old lady in the Maine woods.

[Sarah Wright]

Exactly. Like a fairy tale. That's all. You know, honestly, I've become the old woman who lives in the woods with a bunch of animals was kind of like a Baba Yaga figure. He helped to cement something I had always known about myself, which was that I was different. Lily B. Was the one that did that. So when he cooed, I paid attention. I said, oh, okay, I get it. I said, if he's like this, they're all like this. All these things that I have experienced during my life, I can communicate across species. In other words, I was starting to own it to myself, not to anyone else.

[Interviewer]

Does accepting that also mean accepting a certain amount of isolation from the rest of the world?

[Sarah Wright]

Yes.

[Interviewer]

So is that a trade off in your life?

[Sarah Wright]

I think it is, yeah. For me, yes. You lose the ability to share your experiences with other people. That to me has been the worst, especially since I had it as a child.

[Interviewer]

But she had Lily B. And for the first 10 years of Lily B's life, he was a reliable editor, cooing three times when her writing was headed in the right direction. Sarah never kept Lily B In a cage. He just lived here in the cabin with her, following her from kitchen to dining room table to bedroom where he'd sleep above her bed. And then one day, something terrifying happened. Lily B, her editor and her best friend decided to fly away.

[Sarah Wright]

I remember the moment, oh my God. I opened the door and it was open. But he had never attempted to fly out before.

[Host]

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[Host]

welcome back to Spooked the Wind Doves cry episode. When last we left the little bird, Lily B. Had just made a break for it and flew out of the house to the shock and the horror of Sarah spooked.

[Interviewer]

When Lily B. Flew into the woods and Sarah didn't know if he'd ever come back. She panicked

[Sarah Wright]

because I was so afraid he was going to be killed.

[Interviewer]

Lilly B. Had never been a wild bird. He had no experience with predators. But eventually he perched himself on a tree branch near their house.

[Sarah Wright]

He'd sing to me every single morning at about 5 o' clock from the lilac tree that was right outside my window. So he never went anywhere.

[Interviewer]

Sarah knew what he was doing. He was trying to get the attention of a wild bird.

[Sarah Wright]

He's chasing the mourning doves from tree to tree right around the house, over and over and over. Watched him the whole time, fly after one mourning dove after another.

[Interviewer]

And what do you realize he's trying to do? Or what do you think?

[Sarah Wright]

He's trying to find a mate. And I could feel that. I knew it. And after six weeks of flying, after. And it was springtime, it was mating time, and nobody loved him. And then one day, he just flew. Flew home again, flew back in the house, and he stayed there. And I said, ah, gotta get him a mate.

[Interviewer]

So Sarah found Lily B. A series of female doves who he loved with varying degrees of enthusiasm. And then she found Lucia. Do you remember how you found her? How you found Lucia?

[Sarah Wright]

Internet.

[Interviewer]

Where was she?

[Sarah Wright]

Someplace right here in Maine. And I took one picture of her, and I ran it off the computer, and I put it up on the wall. And I said to Lily B. Is that the bird? I went back to the Internet. I said, I'll take.

[Interviewer]

Lucia had brown feathers and was very smart.

[Sarah Wright]

That bird was the love of his life. They were never separate. They ate together. They sat on the same branch as they moved to the house, one followed the other. He taught her everything she knew. She was a real spirit bird. They slept together. They were together all day. They were just always like this. If one flew one, the other one followed. They never were separated. And sometimes he had treats for her. He would bring back little pieces. I never really got it, you know, but he would bring her things.

[Interviewer]

Like what?

[Sarah Wright]

Well, he bought a blueberry once. And once he brought her some kind of a little stone, you know, he brought her presence.

[Interviewer]

When he had that kind of love. Could you feel something?

[Sarah Wright]

Oh, it was impossible not to.

[Interviewer]

What did that tell us? What that felt like? As someone who's so connected to Lily B.

[Sarah Wright]

There was some distance that opened up. It's not that we didn't communicate, but there was another in the space, and I could feel that. But there definitely was a distance.

[Interviewer]

Was that okay with you? Was that hard?

[Sarah Wright]

No, I. I didn't think it. I missed him, but I wanted him to be happy. And he was happy.

[Interviewer]

Lily B. And Lucia stayed together wing by wing for years and years. Until the morning Sarah woke up and put the kettle on and looked out the window for the turkeys and the deer and then looked up to the perch Lily B. And Lucia sat on and noticed something wasn't right with Lucia.

[Sarah Wright]

She seemed like she was sort of rocking back and forth. She was not acting Right. And I went, oh, no. And the next morning, she was on the bottom of the cage. When I went in. He was on his perch, but he flew down. He was so clearly in mourning, he wouldn't leave her. So I left her there. I said, I'll leave her there as long as he needs her. And I left her there. It was all that day. And the next morning I dug a grave and I put her in it. And he watched me bury her. He was inconsolable. And so we all sat with him. He had a basket over the window and I sat with him. He loved the Mozart requiem. And so I put on the record.

[Interviewer]

Sarah was 65 years old when she buried Lucia in a wildflower patch. She couldn't deny that her future wasn't the limitless expanse imagined in younger minds. Lily Boy's feathers were starting to age too. His voice was getting croaky. It was time to ask her bird a question.

[Sarah Wright]

I said to him, I said, look, if you feel like you need another mate, you've got to let me know because I don't know what to do at this point.

[Interviewer]

Are you looking at him in the eyes?

[Sarah Wright]

Oh, yeah. Oh yeah. And I was talking out loud to him. I said, you have to let me know because I can't make that decision for you. Those words, I thought it was going to kill him because I hadn't heard a sound since she died. We go on another day or so. I'm still writing in the morning. And all of a sudden I know, I just know. And I wrote, he doesn't want another ma. And when I wrote those words, he spoke for the first time. He quoted three times. And so I knew. And then all of a sudden he's. He just came back to life. And that. And that was when he became my bird again. Just the way he had been in the beginning. I was in the kitchen, he was in the kitchen. He was everywhere. I was.

[Interviewer]

How long were you told Lily B. Would live?

[Sarah Wright]

It was about 10 or 12 years.

[Interviewer]

Some African collared doves live all the way into their mid teens. Lily B. Is now 35 years old.

[Sarah Wright]

You know, it's been him and me, you know, and it's okay. He's an old bird now. He's starting to lose his vision. And we're just getting old together.

[Interviewer]

It's 79 year old Sarah and 35 year old Lily B in their little log cabin. Lily B. Moved into the bathroom.

[Sarah Wright]

And you see, the bathroom is the perfect place to have the roof because I have to go to the bathroom. So I'm in there like, what, 50 times a day? It's perfect. It's absolutely perfect. I mean, I couldn't have planned it better.

[Interviewer]

All right, let's go say hi to. Let's go say hi.

[Sarah Wright]

You want to go inside? Okay, so now we get to see. Look, sweetie. Oh, he's napped on and. Hi, honey. Hi. Hi, sweetheart. How are you? I love you. I love you.

[Interviewer]

The bathroom is lined in cedar wood. Lily B. Has a perch in the corner. He looks out a big glass window onto a meadow.

[Sarah Wright]

You can see he's focused on everything I'm saying, everything. And at the same time, he's got his eye on you. And he's like, really?

[Interviewer]

He's kind of, like, trembling.

[Sarah Wright]

Yeah.

[Interviewer]

See what's on that?

[Sarah Wright]

Yeah, no, he does that. He does that as part of. It's part of the communication thing.

[Interviewer]

He's kind of, like shuffling back and forth on his brain. Lily B. Is a remarkably unremarkable looking bird. His feathers are scruffy, and he's got some bald spots. And years ago, he lost his voice, and he just raised his wings when you said fly.

[Host]

Yeah.

[Sarah Wright]

He says, I just can't fly the way I used to. Yeah, I know. Oh, honey, I know.

[Interviewer]

He was trying to fly when she was talking about flying.

[Sarah Wright]

Well, he's just talking about flying. Yeah, see, he understands everything I say. So that's why it's such a good thing to be in a bathroom, because you can always have a conversation with me.

[Interviewer]

What do people misunderstand about your telepathy

[Sarah Wright]

with Lilly B. I don't talk about it to people because nobody understands it.

[Interviewer]

Are you worried about this interview going out?

[Sarah Wright]

I was. Initially, I said, what? How? I never talk about this. I have reached the point now where I'm just not shutting up about it. Yeah, he reads. Lily B. Reads my mind. I used to feel like I had to explain all this stuff. The nice thing about being a very strange old woman is that I am free to say any damn thing I want. I also. All I have to offer is my own experience that. Take it or leave it. If you don't want to believe that interspecies communication is a reality, that's your problem.

[Host]

Thank you so much, Sarah and Lily B. For sharing your story. And thank you so much for sharing your connection. The original score by Nicholas Marks Produced by Anna Sussman. This episode comes to us from our sister podcast, Snap Judgment. And if you dig it, don't miss a single journey. Take your phone out right now. Subscribe to the Snap Judgment Podcast. It is that easy. Amazing stories from the bright light of day each and every week on Team snap. The union represented producers, artists, editors and engineers are members of the national association of Broadcast Employees and Technicians, Communications works of America, AFL SEO Local 51 robots and people Cosplaying as Robots Please note that no Snap Studio's content could be used for training, testing or developing machine learning or AI systems without prior written permission. SNAP is brought to you by the team who would mostly not dress up as a mime, except for the uber producer, Mr. Mark Ristich. There he is, miming it up right now, banging his head against an invisible wall. Uh oh, now he's climbing the stairs. Very nice. There's Nancy Lopez, Pat Mercede Miller, Anna Sussman, Wenzel Goriot, John Facile, Shayna Shealy, Taylor Dcott, Flo Wylie, Bo Walsh, Marisa Dodge. And this is not the news. No waste. It's the news. In fact, you'd suppose it'd be completely impossible to do a talky talk hour of audio radio storytelling about a mime. Well, that's what you think, right? And you would still, even then, not be as far away from the news as this is. But this is P R X.

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