B (2:31)

People just being annoyingly positive.

A (2:32)

Yeah, that too. We'll come on to that in a second. And also, I think sometimes finding difference can feel hard to do. You know, people with different perspectives, people with different experiences, maybe someone at the start of their career, maybe you just don't come across that many people just starting out. Maybe you don't work with anyone who's got 20 years more experience than you. So I think we all benefit from those different perspectives, but sometimes it can feel those people can feel quite hard to reach and this makes it very easy. And so what we're asking an AI to do here, and I did use ChatGPT and Claude for this one, so I just did it at the same time in both of them. Worked well in both. I said, act as my personal career board. Take on different Personas, including Challenger, questioner, supporter, ideator, connector and empathizer. My current career dilemma is how to make sure I'm balancing enough time learning for myself with spending time supporting other people to learn. What questions or statements would each of these people ask me and show the data in a table.

B (3:33)

So I guess before we get into Sarah's insights and answers, if you're copy and pasting that prompt, the bit that you might want to personalise is the challenge. So Sarah put the learning challenge in. You put whatever challenge is relevant to you.

A (3:45)

And so you do get a very neat table, I would say, which was very helpful. And it gave the Personas and it also gave. It categorized the voice and focus. So, for example, Challenger direct, bold, high standards, supporter, encouraging, affirming, emotionally invested. So actually, it sort of described the roles a bit for me. And if you read any of that voice and focus and thought, oh, that's not what I want the focus to be, you could obviously amend it and say, oh, have my Challenger to have the highest standards of anyone you could imagine. Yeah, like even higher.

B (4:17)

You could.

A (4:18)

You can kind of push it in different directions. So I kind of like that ability to adapt. And then it gave me the prompt or the question. And I think here what's often helpful is very quickly you've got the range and then you can dive deeper into what feels useful for you. So for example, my challenger asked me, if you're not learning for yourself, how can you credibly guide others? What are you avoiding?

B (4:40)

And I was like, oh, what are you avoiding?

A (4:42)

I know, I know. Quite confrontational, but for me, really helpful. As someone who isn't like, I'm not naturally very confronting in my, in my style actually having that prompt to myself around credibility, that really hit home. And I was like, well, it really matters to me to be credible so that that kind of really worked. The supporter one, you give so much to others, what would it look like to give that same care and energy to yourself? I was like, don't care that one.

B (5:12)

Support dismissed.

A (5:13)

Support dismissed.

B (5:14)

You can leave my board.

A (5:15)

But I think I find that, I just found that less motivating, just less.

B (5:20)

Less useful for some people that might be the role that they relate to.

A (5:24)

Like nice people, I imagine much nicer people than me. I think what I've often found when I've tested this tool live with lots of people who kind of learn with us in workshops is you're often missing, maybe you've got three or four of these in real life, but maybe there's one or two that you could really do with their perspective, but you haven't got them yet. Again, we're not saying replacement for real people. The advantage I guess of this is it's immediate and it fills the gaps you've got for now. Yeah, I still want a challenger, but those questions were really good.

B (5:54)

Well, what I did was I did copy and pasted the prompt that Sarah had said, but I personalized it with my challenge and then I said I want to have a one to one with my questioner. And that for me was like this extra level of usefulness because it was. Then it was like I was having a direct conversation because you get a list of questions with what Sarah showed which are really useful. But the one to one I felt like was just a, it's just a really helpful discussion. Like really, really helpful. And. And then I felt, I think I would have been much more confident having that conversation with an actual question I kind of thought through in advance. And so we've got one extra tool for you to try out today.

A (6:25)

Controversial.

B (6:26)

Yeah, we're a bit divisive. We don't. Sarah doesn't like it? I found it quite useful. So the tool is called Crystal Knows and you just go to the website, you will download it, it'll put like a little thing on your toolbar and you can. Well, it has some surveys for you which are kind of interesting. But the thing that is useful in the context of your community is you can attach it to your LinkedIn and then when you look at someone's profile, it will use AI to basically tell you how to communicate with that person, what their likely disc profile is, which is like a personality tool that you can use to profile people, how to email that person. You know, if you're presenting information, it gives you loads of detail on how to engage with them. So I did this with Sarah. I thought, who can I test this with? You get five free goes. I, I wanted more once I'd got it and I was like, I want to do this on more people. And so I did it with Sarah. She came out as a, as initiator, visionary, charismatic and dynamic just based on her LinkedIn profile. And it gave me do's and don'ts. So focus on high level summaries. When I was reading this, you were the one that I was like, oh, I don't know, because you're so. You're just a bit of everything. AI finds it hard to analyze you.

A (7:32)

Well, I guess this is also. It is a bit based on your LinkedIn profile, so I suppose I. Well, it's a lot based on that. So I don't do very much posting on LinkedIn.

B (7:40)

I mean there was lots in there. I mean I do think the visionary charismatic dynamic, I mean dynamic's probably debatable.

A (7:45)

But to the point of I don't post that much, so it's making some of it up, right? There's not. They haven't got that much data to work with.

B (7:51)

I did it on Adam Grant because I think, you know, we'd like to get Adam Grant on the podcast. I was like, can it give me a few tips on how to engage that and Grant. So do be expressive, enthusiastic. Get the best response from Adam using this example. How would you feel about. I was like, maybe try some of those. And I did it on my husband. Let's see how true this really is. And actually, I mean it was pretty accurate. I'm not going to read them, but it's useful. You get five goes. And I think, you know, if I was going for an interview or I was working with a stakeholder on a project, I mean it's not that helpful for me. To do it with you. To be honest, I know you really well, but if there was someone I was working with for the first time that I wanted a bit of insight into to inform how I communicated with them, Crystal knows is a good tool, I think.

A (8:33)

I think my reservations, yes, Sarah, where I was like, I just don't want people to lose critical thinking.

B (8:41)

That's true.

A (8:42)

And actually, when you and I looked at some of the things for me, like, some of it, we were like, well, that's not right. That's not right. That's not right. So you have. I think you've got to be a bit just like, always apply your own kind of critical thoughts to things. And also relationship building, you know, feels like something you still want people to be able to learn. And I was like, I don't want people to substitute. It's like anything, right? Don't outsource your learning and development to an AI or to other people. And don't outsource your ability to build relationships. And I do think, I suppose, because I see at the moment, you know, you can tell sometimes when things are written by AI, I would hate people to start sending emails to build relationships with people where you're like, oh, this is clearly an AI. We get them right for people sometimes wanting to come in the podcast. And I'm like, that's not a person that's written that. So it's just like, some watch out.

B (9:26)

So we'll be a stalker. Don't caveat, don't be a stalker. All the things that Sarah would say as an introverted networker. But if you're thinking, I think just give it a go. Like, just try it out, see what it tells you. See how useful it is for you.

A (9:38)

And so as a team, how can you talk about this together other than maybe doing each other's LinkedIn profiles? I mean, it definitely makes you think about your LinkedIn profile.

B (9:45)

Profile.

A (9:46)

That's what it made me think about. So as a team, one of the things you could do is talk about one thing you want to learn. So you might say, one thing I want to learn is how to use AI as part of my everyday. One thing I want to learn is what is systems thinking. I hear people talk about it, but I just don't know what it is. One thing I want to learn is more about being a brilliant leader or more about prioritizing or time management. There's some common ones that come up and then you can have a discussion about, well, then who can help you? And also then who could you help. I think actually when you start to put your community around your learning or around your career based on your development, it's so much easier as a filter. And actually, when I do this often with groups, they'll say, I want to learn about all of those things I just said. And then I can be helpful straight away. I can be like, oh, well, if you're thinking about time, I love Oliver Bertman's work. But then someone else will chime in and say, oh, have you seen that pomodoro thing? That's free. And here's the app and here's the link. So everybody starts helping everybody. And, you know your point about reciprocity, when we started, I just see that happening. And I think that's easier if you've got a kind of goal, a learning goal, and it doesn't have to always be learning, but that's just a good place to start.

B (10:53)

I think that sort of stuff just reframes how networking feels. But that is the end. That is the end of today's Day 4 of the Squiggly Careers Skill Sprint, which means that tomorrow is our final day, and we're going to be talking about how you can use AI to help with your future possibilities.