#134 - Katie Nolan

Summary

Stavvy's World Podcast Episode #134 - Katie Nolan Summary

Release Date: June 23, 2025

Introduction and Tour Announcements

The episode kicks off with host Stavros Halkias and his co-host Eldis discussing their recent oversight in promoting their extensive tour dates on the podcast. Stavros humorously admits, “We just went on a huge tour. Never plugged. We plugged like four dates…” (00:00), leading into the announcement of the Dreamboat Tour. Key dates include:

• UK Leg:

  • London: September 6th
  • Dublin: September 12th
  • Manchester: September 13th
  • Glasgow: September 14th (with an additional show added)

• US Leg:

  • Memphis, TN: November 6th
  • Huntsville, AL: November 7th
  • Chattanooga, TN: November 8th
  • Knoxville, TN: November 9th
  • Asheville, NC: November 10th
  • Greensboro, NC; Wilmington, NC; Myrtle Beach, SC
  • Austin, TX: November 22nd
  • Boston, MA: November 13th

Stavros emphasizes their shift towards more interactive and crowd-engaging performances, stating, “I did not do any crowd work on the theater tour. I want to get in there, talk to the people a little bit” (00:54).

Guest Introduction and Past Episodes

Katie Nolan joins the show, reminiscing about her first appearance on Stavros's podcast during a tough time following a sports loss. She reflects, “It helped me because I had been debating with Sirius about cursing” (02:22), highlighting the episode’s raw and authentic nature. The conversation touches on the initial struggles of maintaining professionalism during emotional moments.

Personal Anecdotes and Lifestyle Choices

Stavros shares his journey towards sobriety, mentioning, “I haven't drunk. I was not drinking for like a year and a half. And yesterday was so nice in New York” (03:30). However, he humorously confesses his recent lapse: “I got drunk for the first time because I was basically like, what am I doing?” (04:00), leading to tales of making unappetizing late-night snacks, such as a sandwich with canned anchovies and cottage cheese ice cream.

Katie relates with her own past experiences, discussing early jobs like bartending and daily YouTube video creation, offering insights into the challenges of balancing multiple roles and maintaining personal well-being.

Relationship Stories and Challenges

The hosts delve into complex relationship dynamics, including Katie’s experience dancing at bar mitzvahs and the awkwardness of maintaining professional boundaries. A particularly intense moment is recounted where an unexpected visitor punches a guest at a party: “He just like walked in, straight down into the garage, punched that kid in the face” (21:46).

They also explore themes of personal growth, commitment, and the difficulties of navigating relationships amidst personal and professional pressures.

Advertisement Segments

Throughout the episode, advertisements are interspersed seamlessly into the conversation, promoting services like Cash App, MeUndies, and Thuma. Stavros enthusiastically endorses MeUndies, stating, “They have this micro modal fabric, legit magic super soft” (34:08), while Katie promotes her own podcast, Casuals, emphasizing its diverse range of guests and content.

Listener Call-In Questions

Several listeners call in with relationship dilemmas, prompting candid and humorous advice from Stavros and Katie:

1. Age Gap Concerns: A 24-year-old woman questions dating a man nine years her senior, especially after discovering uncomfortable past online posts. Stavros advises, “If it's just cringe, you're the one who's in the wrong for looking this up” (69:02), emphasizing personal growth and the possibility of change.

2. Living with an Ex-Girlfriend: Another caller describes dating a man who continues to live with his ex-girlfriend, sparking discomfort and practical concerns. Katie and Stavros critique the lack of independence and boundary-setting, highlighting the importance of mutual respect and personal space in relationships.

3. Receiving Leaked Intimate Photos: A caller reveals that his ex sent his intimate photos to his current girlfriend anonymously. The hosts discuss the importance of handling such breaches with legal assistance and avoiding direct confrontation, recommending professional guidance over personal retaliation.

4. Pressure to Call a Partner’s Mother “Mom”: A caller expresses discomfort over his girlfriend's insistence that he refer to her mother as "Mom." Katie suggests creating a unique family nickname to maintain boundaries, while Stavros humorously debates the implications of such a request, highlighting the need for clear communication and mutual respect.

5. Switching Sports Team Allegiance: A listener shares his frustration over leaving the Mariners for the Orioles due to perceived team toxicity, only to regret the sudden allegiance switch as the new team underperforms. Katie advises embracing long-term support for a team and cautions against impulsive decisions based on short-term dissatisfaction.

Sports Commentary

The episode features spirited discussions on various sports topics, including:

• New England Patriots and Bill Belichick: Critiquing the longevity and personal life aspects, Katie jokes about Belichick dating someone significantly younger, reflecting on the pressures and public scrutiny faced by sports figures.

• College Football and Coaching Strategies: The hosts analyze the evolving landscape of college football, conference realignments, and the impact of high-profile coaching hires on team dynamics and fan expectations.

• Baseball Team Loyalty: Drawing parallels between sports fandom and personal commitment, Stavros shares his steadfast support for the New York Knicks and the challenges of maintaining team loyalty amidst fluctuating performances.

Conclusion

As the episode wraps up, Stavros and Katie encourage listeners to engage with their favored podcast platforms, emphasizing the importance of authentic conversations and community support. They reiterate the value of staying true to oneself amidst societal pressures and personal challenges, closing with a light-hearted remark on sports rivalries and personal growth.

Notable Quotes

• Stavros on Tour Oversight: “We just went on a huge tour. Never plugged. We plugged like four dates…” (00:00)

• Katie on Authenticity: “The whole point is about the authenticity of fandom, so I thought it was perfect fake.” (03:10)

• Stavros on First Drink: “I got drunk for the first time because I was basically like, what am I doing?” (04:00)

• Listener Advice on Age Gap: “If it's just cringe, you're the one who's in the wrong for looking this up.” (69:02)

• Katie on Handling Pressure: “What I would say is, hey, I'm going to call you mom. Something about it for me, I'm not really like there yet.” (97:27)

Final Thoughts

Episode #134 of Stavvy's World with Katie Nolan offers a blend of personal storytelling, relationship advice, sports commentary, and humorous banter. The hosts provide relatable insights while maintaining an engaging and entertaining atmosphere, making it a valuable listen for both regular followers and newcomers seeking authentic and candid conversations.

Transcript

[Stavros Halkias]

Folks, we have a very fun episode with my pal Katie Nolan coming up right now. But first, want to let you know we're trying to be more professional here. We just went on a huge tour. Never plugged. We plugged like four dates on this podcast that hundreds of thousands of people listen to.

[Eldis]

So we decided for a 60 day tour.

[Stavros Halkias]

For a 60 day tour. I mean, we were gone so long and we didn't even consider to plug a date. I'd love to blame Elders, but this actually was. I mean, obviously he should have thought of it too, but that's on me. So we are, we are starting the Dreamboat tour. It's going to continue. We're hitting the UK. London, September 6th, Dublin, September 12th, Manchester, 13th, Glasgow. Glasgow, whatever. The 14th. I'll figure it out. We're also adding another show in Glasgow. And here in America, November. We're, me and Elders are going to do a trashy little tour. We did the bus.

[Katie Nolan]

We.

[Stavros Halkias]

We're going to just rent a van and drive everywhere ourselves. This time we're do. We're talking Memphis on November 6th, Huntsville, Alabama, November 7th, Chattanooga the 8th, Knoxville the 9th, Asheville the 10th. And we have added Greensboro, North Carolina, Wilmington, North Carolina, and Myrtle Beach, South Carolina. We're getting real, we're getting, we're getting disgusting with it out in Myrtle Beach. Hopefully your divorced fathers will be down there. Tell them to come. And then of course, Austin, Texas on the 22nd and Boston on the 13th. Very excited for those. Please come out and purchase a ticket. We're pumped. The hour is really fun and I think I'm gonna, I want to start doing even more new stuff. If you've seen us probably doing a little more. These are smaller rooms. I'll be doing a little more. I didn't do any crowd work on the theater tour. I want to get in there, talk to the people a little bit. So we'll see you there this fall. Please come see us if you're in the UK or in parts of the American south and then Boston. Well, we're adding more stuff. Don't worry. You won't let us know where else to go. And now let's start the show. Let's get Katie Nolan in here. Welcome Everybody, to Stavi's World. 904, 800 stop call in to solve all your problems. We are joined today. Katie Nolan. Thank you for being here. Katie, thank you for being. Casuals is out. Casuals. I did it on Sirius right now. Listen to it. Great show.

[Katie Nolan]

Thanks.

[Stavros Halkias]

Sorry for you. I was the first Guest. And it was after Raven's loss, and I. I have felt bad about this since where I was like, I didn't realize I probably shouldn't have just really cursed a lot from the job. I was like, fuck. I mean, every word. It was your first.

[Katie Nolan]

It helped me because I had been debating with Sirius about cursing, and they were like, oh, you know, just try ride a knot. I was like, totally, totally. And then we had our first guest fall through. You came in huge for me.

[Stavros Halkias]

Yes, I was. I was happy to. I was happy to.

[Katie Nolan]

And after a devastating loss and you just blew the doors out.

[Stavros Halkias]

I couldn't. Yeah.

[Katie Nolan]

And so now. And then the. The episode did well. So I got to go, like, hey, serious, I'm gonna. I won't curse this much probably ever again.

[Stavros Halkias]

Right, right, right.

[Katie Nolan]

Look, the whole point is about the authenticity of fandom, so I thought it was perfect fake. Don't feel bad.

[Stavros Halkias]

Okay. Great, great, great. But I did. And I. It was. It was. I was over the top, even for, like, me, because I was so mad. We just lost in the playoffs, but tough timing. It was tough, but, you know, I think that makes good. That makes for good.

[Katie Nolan]

You know, we certainly milked you for all the content that we could.

[Stavros Halkias]

I really was squeezed. I was the sorrow cow, and you just were sucking on my utters. Yeah. Thanks for coming, Katie. Yeah, thanks. And so you. You've done a bunch. I mean, I've been a. I've been. I'm kind of having a tough one right now because I haven't drunk. I was not drinking for like a year and a half. And it was no, like, hard and fast. It was just like, I wanted to be healthier. And.

[Katie Nolan]

Yeah.

[Stavros Halkias]

Yesterday was so nice in New York, and I was. I was strolling around. I'm in. I'm in shorts in a Hawaiian. I bump into some friends.

[Katie Nolan]

Oh, you daydream.

[Stavros Halkias]

And I. I. It was not. It was like they caught me. It. I was. I was walking around during the day, and then I went back into the city around, like, 7ish, looking at a bunch of apartments. So I've been, like, all over New York, and I have turned it into something kind of fun. But so I got drunk for the first time because I was basically like, what am I doing? It's one time I. I really don't have an alcohol problem. Like, I have a weed and. And, like, Cinnabon problem. I don't like booze. I could honestly have, like, I don't feel the desire. It wasn't like, it kick Started like, I gotta get fucked up all day. But I am definitely sluggish. I did that classic come home, you know, come home too late and then should go to bed. Just sit on the couch and just like wake up at 3:17am and then you're like, well, let's see what we got in the kitchen. There's no reason to go.

[Katie Nolan]

Terrible.

[Stavros Halkias]

I'm up now. So I made a disgusting little. I made a disgusting little sandwich out of whatever I had, which was canned sardines. Like, oh my God, no, no, I'm sorry. Anchovies.

[Katie Nolan]

I mean.

[Stavros Halkias]

Yeah, Saltier. I don't know if you.

[Katie Nolan]

I didn't know the difference, but now I do.

[Stavros Halkias]

I was not a big anchovy guy.

[Katie Nolan]

I like the way you say it.

[Stavros Halkias]

I was not a big anchovy guy. Oh, maybe I didn't know John.

[Katie Nolan]

John anchovy. Yeah.

[Stavros Halkias]

Yeah. Should I say inch?

[Katie Nolan]

No, you're right. I say anchovy. But that's. I'm unfamiliar with Interesting.

[Stavros Halkias]

Not a big can.

[Katie Nolan]

I'm not a tin fish. G Dan and I went to a concert once in Brooklyn and then after wanted to get food and walked over to this place. I had great ratings. We were like, hey, we were looking for some food and the guy was like, we do exclusively tinned fish.

[Stavros Halkias]

It's a restaurant.

[Katie Nolan]

And I were like, what's the point of this?

[Stavros Halkias]

It's a restaurant that opens up cans.

[Katie Nolan]

You just. Yeah, right. Do I have to pop it open myself? What the hell? It was wild.

[Stavros Halkias]

Exclusively.

[Katie Nolan]

Exclusively.

[Stavros Halkias]

What do they mean by that?

[Katie Nolan]

That's it. But different types of different varieties, appetizer size or entree.

[Stavros Halkias]

Honestly, you said that elder's eyes lit up.

[Eldis]

What's that? What, what is it called?

[Katie Nolan]

Sure, I can find. If it's still in business. This was a couple years ago and I can't imagine it's a profitable.

[Stavros Halkias]

I don't know, I mean, if you up. If. I kind of respect it, cuz tin fish cost a certain. Like let's say it cost four bucks. Like the high end one, right? Sell it for seven, you're in a restaurant already done. Kind of smart. I respect them.

[Eldis]

I spent like $100 on four cans of tin fish in LA. On the tour at like some fancy little place. They like me. I got one of them and she started talking about how good all the others were. I'm like, I got to get these for the bus.

[Stavros Halkias]

Yeah.

[Katie Nolan]

Upsell.

[Stavros Halkias]

I got up, oh, he's a sucker.

[Katie Nolan]

I mean, this guy tastes the same like a salty little sliver of fish.

[Stavros Halkias]

No, no, no.

[Katie Nolan]

They're. You can taste the difference.

[Stavros Halkias]

That's a mackerel, without question. Anchovies. Taste. They're okay. I thought they were disgusting. Right. Cuz I think we're. We're of the same generation where it was like the cartoon joke. Cartoon joke. The Ninja Turtle.

[Katie Nolan]

Yes.

[Stavros Halkias]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. So that to this day ruined them for me. And then on tires, I had to eat. There's a scene where I have to eat something disgusting.

[Katie Nolan]

Yeah.

[Stavros Halkias]

And. And so what they did was they put like anchovies with like, with some kind of. It was actually kind of. They had like a expensive cheese. They put like brie or some. And it was supposed to look like a weird, fucked up delicacy for, you know, my character. He's like. It's all he has is tinned fish essentially to show that I'm in rock bottom. And I was like, oh, this is gross. I was like, I don't even want this. I was like, guys, we can have this. But like, can you also get me some other shit that I'll actually eat? Because I don't want this. So I made them get chicken nuggets and fries with the anchovies and shit. And then I. They're like, can you just take one bite of the anchovies? And I was like, and you love this. This is incredible.

[Katie Nolan]

They're like little salt and they melt.

[Stavros Halkias]

Just salt.

[Katie Nolan]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. The first time I had like a homemade Caesar dressing where they use it. And you're. At first, you're like, I don't want the anov. But if you power through it and you actually just taste it, you're like, oh, it's just like a salty little sliver of flavor. Yeah, it's nice.

[Stavros Halkias]

So you're not. So you. Sounds like. I don't mean to kind of put you on blast immediately. You kind of change your colors quick on s fish.

[Katie Nolan]

I just. But you're never going to catch me waking up at 3:15.

[Stavros Halkias]

That's fair.

[Katie Nolan]

Eating them out of a can.

[Stavros Halkias]

In my defense, I had nothing.

[Katie Nolan]

What else was on the sandwich?

[Stavros Halkias]

It was like that spreadable, like not baby bell, but a different type of that Laughing couch yeast. And I had this old freezer bread that was like. It's like a health bread. It's called Ezekiel bread.

[Katie Nolan]

Yeah, I've heard of that.

[Stavros Halkias]

So I. I mean, I had not, because I have. I've been on tour and I'm also trying to eat healthy. So there's no good snacks.

[Katie Nolan]

Right. That's for the Best.

[Stavros Halkias]

And yes it is. And that's. That's really all it was was a. It was an open faced laughing cow. Anchovies.

[Katie Nolan]

Not as bad as it could have been with some.

[Stavros Halkias]

With a popcorn side and a weird cottage cheese ice cream that I found for dessert.

[Katie Nolan]

That was probably just regular ice cream.

[Stavros Halkias]

No, no, it's. It has the worst. Okay. We're actually going to give them some free advertising.

[Katie Nolan]

Let's do it.

[Stavros Halkias]

But. And I do love this product actually I just found out about it. They had it on Gopuff. It's called this.

[Katie Nolan]

It's fun from me personally. Shout out Gopuff.

[Stavros Halkias]

Absolutely.

[Katie Nolan]

Thank you for all that you do.

[Stavros Halkias]

It is good when you're stoned and you just need a snack.

[Katie Nolan]

Immed.

[Stavros Halkias]

It'S called. It has a. The worst name I've ever heard in my life. So this is not actually great advertising. It's called smear case.

[Katie Nolan]

No.

[Stavros Halkias]

Smear.

[Katie Nolan]

No. You.

[Stavros Halkias]

You want to eat something and it's smear. You're thinking of a pap.

[Katie Nolan]

Yeah. There's no way you're not thinking of.

[Stavros Halkias]

Just thinking of my cervix of medical cream. But it's good as hell and it's super. It's super protein heavy and you know, I gotta get my. My protein. Katie. I'm trying.

[Katie Nolan]

Yeah, we're all trying to get pro. I feel like adulthood is just ways. Trying to find ways to put protein into your body.

[Stavros Halkias]

Absolutely. I've eaten so much. Way more cottage cheese, a lot more whey protein. But anyway, so I had it and then I put chocolate. I found some baking chocolate and I put.

[Katie Nolan]

That's always the. Like this is kind of chocolate.

[Stavros Halkias]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Katie Nolan]

This is the only chocolate I have. It will do. But it's not. It tastes like dirt if you think about it.

[Stavros Halkias]

But you know what with the little smear kit with the little up cottage cheese ice cream and some chocolate smear campaign. I had a. It was. I mean a lot of everything. I was kind of smear. It was smeary.

[Katie Nolan]

Yeah.

[Stavros Halkias]

I smeared shitty cheese and the anchovies were kind of old. They were kind of smeared. This didn't taste. This was literally last night meal you ate. Honestly, I made a sensible salmon lunch before you got here.

[Katie Nolan]

Smart.

[Stavros Halkias]

But other than that. Yes. That's what's in my belly right now. Good. You got.

[Katie Nolan]

You're loaded to the gills along with like five.

[Stavros Halkias]

Yeah, I am actually. You're right.

[Katie Nolan]

Sick.

[Stavros Halkias]

Some old FA And I had sushi the day before.

[Katie Nolan]

I. Oh my God.

[Stavros Halkias]

It's like. It's that? And, like, five Old fashions. And, like, you know.

[Katie Nolan]

Yeah. I stopped drinking in the pandemic, kind of by accident. Dan obviously doesn't drink, and so we just didn't. He did all the shopping, and he never. I was never going to be like, go to the liquor store and get me some booze, but don't touch it. And so I just stopped, which I never would have thought I'd be able to do. And now when I drink, I'm. It's embarrassing. I drink, like, two drinks. No, I'm just loose. Just out here, loose. And then I'll come home, and then I'll have a headache the next day, and I'm like, what's going on? I used to put beers down.

[Stavros Halkias]

Were you a real. Yeah. You were real drunk? What are we talking about?

[Katie Nolan]

Yeah, I mean, I probably shouldn't have drank as much as I did at as many professional functions as I did. I think I had a couple benevolent helpers in the sports media industry. I feel like Joel Klatt once said, like, you always get in this drunk at work stuff, and I didn't pick up on it. I was like, you know it, baby.

[Stavros Halkias]

Hell, yeah, I'm. It's free. Did you know this is open bar, dude.

[Katie Nolan]

You do it. And then I think the next day, I saw him at, like, whatever game we were there covering, and I was like, I'm sorry, Joel. I was out of line last night. But, yeah. So I just, like. But now I can't do it, and I just feel like it's a bummer.

[Stavros Halkias]

Yeah.

[Katie Nolan]

To revisit drinking and not be able to go.

[Stavros Halkias]

You're aging, unfortunately. Your body's what I hear.

[Katie Nolan]

I don't. Like, really. Is every day something new? I'm like, oh, that's just what my hip feels like now.

[Stavros Halkias]

You're done. But, you know, you're holding up great.

[Katie Nolan]

Thanks. Thank you.

[Stavros Halkias]

But also, you. You also got, like, pretty successful, pretty young, so there was a. You might. You. You probably were still in, like, party mode.

[Katie Nolan]

Yes.

[Stavros Halkias]

At these. Yes. Because I. Because I'm. You know, I'm a. I was watching. I was, like, a sports nerd. So I was like. Before we were friends, I was familiar. I was a fan of your work. I saw the stuff you did, and you were like. I feel like you, like. Like. Yeah. Really young. Yeah. 26. And so you're kind of in that zone. Who were you, like, the two years before shit started popping? What was your job? What were you. You were, like, just out of college.

[Katie Nolan]

Yeah. I I had.

[Stavros Halkias]

You're from the Boston area.

[Katie Nolan]

From the Boston area. But I had moved right out of college into New York City. My cousin from California was moving to do Teach for America.

[Stavros Halkias]

Okay.

[Katie Nolan]

And she needed a roommate. And we. I had a friend from college. All three of us moved into a walk up in New York City. Huge mistake. I moved. I had graduated in 2009, and I was like, I'll find a job. I graduated with honors from Hofstra University. No one's gonna turn this down. It was crazy. So it was like $1,000 a month, I think was rent. I had a car for the first. And then I had finally part of the city sell that. We were up on the Upper east side.

[Stavros Halkias]

Okay.

[Katie Nolan]

So we, like, lived there for a little. I ended up working at an Equinox because I couldn't find a job. So I sold gym memberships at an Equinox. And then after our lease was up.

[Stavros Halkias]

Upper east side, that's Upper east side Equinox. We're talking. That's prime.

[Katie Nolan]

I lived across from the 74th street one, which was nice. I worked at the 54th street one, which nobody went to. It just sucked.

[Stavros Halkias]

I was thinking to be Real Housewives territory.

[Katie Nolan]

Yeah, no, we had. Ours was very corporate. Ours was like, if you're a person who works out on your lunch break, you would go to the 54th Street.

[Stavros Halkias]

No. So that's not even fun.

[Katie Nolan]

No, not at all. And so that I did that. And then once our lease was up, I was like this. I'm going to go back home. But my grandmother had just moved into my bedroom at my parents house, but she had a condo in town. So I, like, got my own apartment.

[Stavros Halkias]

Oh, wow.

[Katie Nolan]

But it was like in an old people's condo in Framingham, Massachusetts. So I lived there and worked at a bar.

[Stavros Halkias]

Hell, yeah.

[Katie Nolan]

In Alston, Massachusetts, which has since closed. And then. Not the whole city, just the bar.

[Stavros Halkias]

They shuttered the town.

[Katie Nolan]

They were like, get out of here.

[Stavros Halkias]

It's too much Austin. It sounds too much like Boston.

[Katie Nolan]

Yeah.

[Stavros Halkias]

I don't like that.

[Katie Nolan]

People always think it's Austin when I say it. Like, no. All Alliston Brighton. But I was. I was bartending and blogging.

[Stavros Halkias]

Oh, that was it.

[Katie Nolan]

That was the. Right up before the. I did that for like two years of, like, writing. Then I started doing daily YouTube videos.

[Stavros Halkias]

And I would night daily YouTube videos in like 2010.

[Katie Nolan]

Like 20. Probably like 20th. Yeah. 2011, I think.

[Stavros Halkias]

Still, you're. You're.

[Katie Nolan]

You know, they sucked. They sucked.

[Stavros Halkias]

They're not good Yeah, I mean they.

[Katie Nolan]

Probably were, but literally just me.

[Stavros Halkias]

Yeah.

[Katie Nolan]

Filming them, editing them, writing them, delivering them.

[Stavros Halkias]

Wow.

[Katie Nolan]

I learned. I taught myself how to use a green screen.

[Stavros Halkias]

Look at that.

[Katie Nolan]

Cuz I was like looking at my competition, I was like, these videos aren't going to pop off unless they look like they still didn't pop off all that much. But it was like work. And then I was going to bartend at night. I was wiped. I was like working two jobs. The daily videos were. I was doing them for a company and they were only paying me 750amonth, which at the time I was like, that's my rent. So I'll just every. All the dollars I make from home.

[Stavros Halkias]

Yeah.

[Katie Nolan]

It's like all the dollars I'm making from bartending, I'll just keep. I was like, I'm living the life.

[Stavros Halkias]

What kind of bar are we talking?

[Katie Nolan]

It was like a college bar.

[Stavros Halkias]

Nice.

[Katie Nolan]

Like they were known in the area for being the bar that like will check your ID and you cannot get in underage. But there would be a long line. We had a Papa Shot machine. We had two bars.

[Stavros Halkias]

Nice.

[Katie Nolan]

It was like high volume, bu, bc, Harvard type. Yeah, yeah.

[Stavros Halkias]

And so you. Are you the type bartender who is getting up while bartending?

[Katie Nolan]

Well, it depends. Yeah, I feel like there were times. Certainly there were times, but like high volume bartending I hadn't done before. All I had ever done before that was I probably lied on my resume. But at the time all I did was like in college I worked at some place called Bench Warmers. That was a. It was in a strip mall in Long island with like a nail salon and a place that does trophies for like. Love that Little league. Damn.

[Stavros Halkias]

I would. We need to get some trophies in here.

[Katie Nolan]

Yeah.

[Stavros Halkias]

So it's in a strip mall. The bar. A strip mall. A bar. Strip mall is.

[Katie Nolan]

It's tough.

[Stavros Halkias]

Awesome.

[Katie Nolan]

It's tough. I had like the five clients that came in all the time. Clients. They were just people who go to the alcoholics.

[Stavros Halkias]

Just Long island guys probably making horrible, you know, passes at you.

[Katie Nolan]

Yeah. But they were also like, a lot of them were really old and I was really insistent about how old they were, which I think really set the line that like this was not going. And yeah. If anybody ordered food, which no one ever did, thank God I had to work the fryer as well.

[Stavros Halkias]

So front house, back.

[Katie Nolan]

That was when I used to get drunk when I would have like five people that at the bar with me all day. My shift would go into whatever. Yes. And I would get Dropped.

[Stavros Halkias]

You got to drive back to your dorm.

[Katie Nolan]

Yeah.

[Stavros Halkias]

Cuz there's no other way to get there.

[Katie Nolan]

Yes.

[Stavros Halkias]

Long Island. Yeah. Might as well get a buzz going, right?

[Katie Nolan]

Why not really test things.

[Stavros Halkias]

Hey, Eldis, I got a question, pal. Do you use Cash app?

[Eldis]

I sure do.

[Stavros Halkias]

Good. Because if you didn't, I would have said, what the hell is wrong with you, Eldis?

[Eldis]

I'm glad I use it, man.

[Stavros Halkias]

Thank God you do.

[Eldis]

I couldn't suffer that kind of humiliation on this.

[Stavros Halkias]

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[Katie Nolan]

My very first job, I was a dance instructor.

[Stavros Halkias]

Oh, hell yeah.

[Katie Nolan]

Because at my dance center it was like once you hit a certain age, you got to be like the assistant you teacher. That was probably my first gig. But paid, paid, like, of course. And you're just dealing with little kids who are trying to take their shirts off all day. I feel like that's all Little kids in a leotard are all just like, yeah, yeah, yeah. You know, so you're just trying to keep kids clothed.

[Stavros Halkias]

They are cute, though, when you put little kids in, like, costumes. The best they should. Or little uniforms. That is.

[Katie Nolan]

It's very cute.

[Stavros Halkias]

Like a kid's soccer when they got little shin guards and you. So they're so tiny. A little.

[Katie Nolan]

It's your whole shiny.

[Stavros Halkias]

Damn.

[Katie Nolan]

Yeah. So that was first job interesting, but then most of it's been food service. I waitress. My mom was a bartender my whole life, so.

[Stavros Halkias]

Oh, nice. I grew up in a second bartender. Nepo, baby.

[Katie Nolan]

Yeah. Yeah. I was born into it.

[Stavros Halkias]

Damn. A mom bartender your whole life. Yeah, my mom was a waitress when I was little, but bartender does feel a little more hardcore. Yeah.

[Katie Nolan]

Yeah. She was like, you know, stereotypical Boston lady. Didn't take no guff.

[Stavros Halkias]

No guff type of a deal.

[Katie Nolan]

Yeah. So she was. That was fun. And then what I always loved is every Christmas, we would have this Christmas party that was, like, partially family, partially my brother's friends, partially my friends, and then my mom's regulars from her bar.

[Stavros Halkias]

Wow.

[Katie Nolan]

So it was like. They were like family, the good ones, really.

[Stavros Halkias]

Cheers. Huh?

[Katie Nolan]

Yeah. You.

[Stavros Halkias]

You were literally living. Cheers.

[Katie Nolan]

Yeah.

[Stavros Halkias]

Your mom. That's so funny. Damn. Mom. Mom bartender is fun. That is very fun.

[Katie Nolan]

She's a cool chick.

[Stavros Halkias]

And she was just working. Like, was she around during the day? Like, was she sleeping it off or what were we talking?

[Katie Nolan]

No, she was around during the day.

[Stavros Halkias]

She.

[Katie Nolan]

And then she'd go to work at night and come home around, like, two. There were a couple years there where I tried to push the. Like, my dad was an accountant, so during tax season, he would, like, work late or stay at work or whatever was happening. And then my mom would come home at 2. So I'd have people over until 1, and. And it. It was. I got caught very quickly, so that interesting. But I was really like, what's the best? Why not?

[Stavros Halkias]

Yeah, what's the best? Was there, like, a legendary night at the Nolan's? What was your best one?

[Katie Nolan]

Oh, I was gonna say bad legendary.

[Stavros Halkias]

Give me both.

[Katie Nolan]

There was a time that a kid I wasn't even really friends with was there. He was down in the garage.

[Stavros Halkias]

That'll happen, by the way. They'll find their way.

[Katie Nolan]

Yeah, but this kid was, like, early in the rounds of people showing up, so I wasn't already at the point where I was like, you. You can't come in. Yeah.

[Stavros Halkias]

Yeah.

[Katie Nolan]

And I think I, like, wanted to be his friend, so I was like, yeah, you guys can. Whatever. And then later in the night, I'm drunk. Somebody like knocked on the door. I opened it. I did not know these people. Did not know these people at all. Didn't even like. And I had a big high school. I'm like, I don't even recognize you from my school. I do not know you. And they didn't really ask. One of them just like walked in, straight down into the garage, punched that kid in the face. And then they left. And so clearly they had just gotten information that that's where he was.

[Stavros Halkias]

Wow.

[Katie Nolan]

He was like bleeding from his face. Luckily, I guess. In the garage.

[Stavros Halkias]

Sure.

[Katie Nolan]

If that had been anywhere else in the house, that might have been a nightmare.

[Stavros Halkias]

You get it on the ottoman. That's a big problem.

[Katie Nolan]

Right.

[Stavros Halkias]

But actually close it down in the garage.

[Katie Nolan]

But getting blood on the. Like into the concrete was kind of hard to get out. Like, it. It soaked in. It felt like. So we really did have to like hose it. I think there's still a spot stain.

[Stavros Halkias]

Honestly, you should have put like motor oil over top.

[Katie Nolan]

Yeah. Or.

[Stavros Halkias]

Yeah, should have made a new stain.

[Katie Nolan]

You're right.

[Stavros Halkias]

Or you should have been like, mom, I'm building you a birdhouse and like spray painted it and got. Oh, no, I got a little red spray. I bring you a red.

[Katie Nolan]

I love you so much.

[Stavros Halkias]

I love you so much.

[Katie Nolan]

To make you this little bird house. Yeah, I got caught anytime I tried to have a party, and it was a lot of times, but I always got caught.

[Stavros Halkias]

That is cool.

[Katie Nolan]

I mean, something dumb.

[Stavros Halkias]

Having access to an unsupervised garage till 1am that is big. That must have been good for you in high school.

[Katie Nolan]

It's. You'd think.

[Stavros Halkias]

Yeah.

[Katie Nolan]

You know, you'd think. It didn't necessarily popularity, you're a loser. Kind of. I mean, not like a huge one. My house got egged a lot.

[Stavros Halkias]

Why?

[Katie Nolan]

I think it started. I don't remember how it started, but once people heard that it happened, then they were like, oh, the house that's right across from the middle school. And it was just like we were on a busy street. And then every time it happened, my dad would wake me up and be like, your friends egged the house again. And I said, what about this leads you to believe these people are my friends? Why would my.

[Stavros Halkias]

Did you have enemies? What the fuck's going on?

[Katie Nolan]

I don't know. I was. The older girls. I don't know.

[Stavros Halkias]

Did they fucking stuff you in a locker?

[Katie Nolan]

They want. They wanted to. The lockers were Too small, I guess so they had to egg. My egg is a pain in the ass. Egg's tough to get off the side of your house.

[Stavros Halkias]

There's a reason.

[Katie Nolan]

I know.

[Stavros Halkias]

That's the classic thing to do.

[Katie Nolan]

It's easy to throw and hard to clean up. Fun sucks.

[Stavros Halkias]

The noise is fine. When an egg bursts. Wow.

[Katie Nolan]

Damn.

[Stavros Halkias]

They. Inflation has stolen the joy of egging.

[Katie Nolan]

True.

[Stavros Halkias]

There's no way kids are egging anymore. What do you even do now? What would you.

[Katie Nolan]

They do now?

[Stavros Halkias]

What do you. Kids. I mean, I guess they don't do anything cool.

[Katie Nolan]

They don't talk to each other. They just all on screens.

[Stavros Halkias]

They're on screens. They're all bad. I guess they're forced. They're kind of driving each other to suicide through online bullying.

[Katie Nolan]

Right. And they. So they do have that. They have hobbies. They're not just sit around. They're doing something.

[Stavros Halkias]

They're leaking each other's nudes. Trying to, you know, ruin each other's lives.

[Katie Nolan]

God damn.

[Stavros Halkias]

It's a simpler time, you know.

[Katie Nolan]

So many nudes and are they even. I feel like the kids aren't.

[Stavros Halkias]

Yeah. I think it's. I think it's. There is a big, like, everyone's worried that kids aren't kind of. I guess it hit Japan first.

[Katie Nolan]

Yeah.

[Stavros Halkias]

Cuz I remember that's all I used to hear was like, no one in Japan has sex. And now it feels like it's coming. It's coming down the pike.

[Katie Nolan]

Yeah.

[Stavros Halkias]

For us. Which, you know, real shame for those. I mean, I guess now every kid just has my high school experience.

[Katie Nolan]

Welcome to it.

[Stavros Halkias]

Yeah. Yeah. I guess I was ahead. I was. I was a trailblazer. Not having sex until we turned out okay.

[Katie Nolan]

Man.

[Stavros Halkias]

But we wanted. That's the difference. Eldest. We desperately wanted to.

[Katie Nolan]

We also grew up with them being like, don't.

[Stavros Halkias]

It's true. Don't.

[Katie Nolan]

At least the girls. It was always just like, you're gonna get pregnant.

[Stavros Halkias]

Don't. Yeah.

[Katie Nolan]

And I listened. What an idiot.

[Stavros Halkias]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Katie Nolan]

I was like, okay, you're right.

[Stavros Halkias]

Oh, that's why they thought you were losing.

[Katie Nolan]

That's probably it. Yeah. We're getting to the real bottom of it now.

[Stavros Halkias]

All the other girls in. Where was it FR you say Frame.

[Katie Nolan]

Framing him. That's right.

[Stavros Halkias]

They're sucking and they're hanging out. You know, they're.

[Katie Nolan]

I was scared.

[Stavros Halkias]

Yeah.

[Katie Nolan]

I was like, I'll be the girl who does ecstasy once and dies. I'll be the girl who has sex once and gets pregnant.

[Stavros Halkias]

Yeah.

[Katie Nolan]

So I just, you know. Stayed away from it all.

[Stavros Halkias]

Was it like a religious. Were you, like, religious?

[Katie Nolan]

I mean, we were. I was raised, but not like, super duper.

[Stavros Halkias]

Yeah. Like the classic.

[Katie Nolan]

I went to Catholic stuff. I went all the way through confirmation so that I could get married. And my mom's thing was, like, at least get confirmed so you can be married in a church and that really.

[Stavros Halkias]

That really.

[Katie Nolan]

And I guess. Yeah. I mean, been engaged for, like five years. I don't think I'm getting married in any building at this point.

[Stavros Halkias]

There's no. There's no. That's hysterical to think about Dan getting married in a church.

[Katie Nolan]

I know.

[Stavros Halkias]

That's. So Dan is like, you know, obviously one of my best friends. And he's also the most classic. Just like. I guess I just think of him. I would classify him as a South park atheist. You know what I mean? Like, he's from Colorado. He loves weed. He loves South Park. There's no way I could see that man getting married in a church. I mean, he would do it.

[Katie Nolan]

Yeah.

[Stavros Halkias]

It's also funny to think of him. Even though he would look great in a suit. It's funny to think of him comfortable in a suit.

[Katie Nolan]

Yeah.

[Stavros Halkias]

You know what I mean?

[Katie Nolan]

Yeah.

[Stavros Halkias]

I've seen him in suits.

[Katie Nolan]

I think probably cleans up nice.

[Stavros Halkias]

He cleans up nice. I've seen him at other weddings. I've seen him. But it's just. I feel like at his wedding he should be. Which he won't.

[Katie Nolan]

This is why it's so hard to plan.

[Stavros Halkias]

He should be in, like, sweatpants.

[Katie Nolan]

Picture what the. Everyone's like, just do it for you two. Like, well, if it was for us, we would just stay home with the dog and play video games and eat whatever treats we wanted to. We. I can't picture how to throw a party.

[Stavros Halkias]

Friends would come in and out.

[Katie Nolan]

Yes.

[Stavros Halkias]

You know?

[Katie Nolan]

Yes. Hang out with us.

[Stavros Halkias]

We could get that going.

[Katie Nolan]

We could try.

[Stavros Halkias]

Let's just do that, you know, let's get.

[Katie Nolan]

Let's get perfect.

[Stavros Halkias]

How about it? Like a rent out a Pizza Hut. You know, Find one of the old.

[Katie Nolan]

Ones that look like the old. Yeah.

[Stavros Halkias]

Honestly.

[Katie Nolan]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Stavros Halkias]

I'm kind of jealous I haven't told you this. I want this for my wedding.

[Katie Nolan]

The, like. Remember those chandeliers that were like, okay.

[Stavros Halkias]

This is actually what might be it. And if they don't exist, the money people spend on you should spend that to recreate a Pizza Hut. That would be honestly the best wedding of all time.

[Katie Nolan]

This is the most excited I've felt for planning a wedding. We Do.

[Stavros Halkias]

I do feel like I'm telling. I'm calling Dan immediately after this because I think this is a great. I actually think it's a great idea. And I actually am afraid our listeners are going to scoop you. Don't do it because we have, you know, trash. We also have trash listeners who, you know, who probably live in the kind of town where Pizza Hut is still. There's like, eight towns probably still kicking around. I think so. Yeah.

[Katie Nolan]

I bumped into a friendlies in the wild recently and was like, I have to go to this.

[Stavros Halkias]

I didn't know it was a Boston thing because we had it. I loved friendlies. It had. It had traveled to Baltimore.

[Katie Nolan]

Yeah.

[Stavros Halkias]

And that little watermelon. That little watermelon, remember that? The ice cream jubilee roll.

[Katie Nolan]

Jubilee roll, whatever that was. I loved it.

[Stavros Halkias]

They're up.

[Katie Nolan]

Little chicken fingers with their. With that honey mustard.

[Stavros Halkias]

Yeah. That's good stuff. Yeah. Were you. Were you ever a friendlies guy? Eldest.

[Eldis]

I like friendlies. I don't remember any of the things you guys are naming, though. I remember, like, the Sunday they had the.

[Stavros Halkias]

Yeah.

[Katie Nolan]

With the cone on it and they made it look like a person.

[Stavros Halkias]

Yeah. The smiley face. That is.

[Eldis]

My family never went there. We only went there for, like, school trips, and so maybe I just remember the broken ones.

[Stavros Halkias]

I remember that. Yeah. We literally were on the same field trip. I remember that field trip. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yes. You're right. Dude. Dude, this is so up. It was a green piece of paper. I remember the exact menu that he's talking about because that's. I was like, when did I have a hamburger at Friendly's? It was that school trip.

[Eldis]

Yeah.

[Stavros Halkias]

And then one other time, my family, like, my. My. A family friend would take me out. Like, she was like, my aunt, but not, you know, one of those classic. You think she's your aunt your whole.

[Katie Nolan]

Life later you're like, wait, as soon.

[Stavros Halkias]

As you understand how to do genealogy, you're like, we're not related at all. She would, like, take me. She would take me, like, you know, every three months, she would, like, hey, let's take the kids out. And she took me to Friendly's once we had, like, a proper meal, it was.

[Katie Nolan]

But before that, it was just aunt ice cream and. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Stavros Halkias]

I feel like grandmas would take you to friends.

[Katie Nolan]

It always felt like a weird meeting where you weren't like, relaxed. You were just like, okay, yeah, yeah.

[Stavros Halkias]

But the ice cream.

[Katie Nolan]

Tasty.

[Stavros Halkias]

Great.

[Katie Nolan]

Real tasty treat.

[Stavros Halkias]

Wow. RIP Friendlies. The world we grew up in is gone.

[Katie Nolan]

Brown. Round. Gone.

[Stavros Halkias]

Yeah.

[Katie Nolan]

The 99. Is that a thing? Was that just Massachusetts? You guys have the 99?

[Stavros Halkias]

I don't know about the 99.

[Katie Nolan]

It was like one of those restaurants. Bennigan's.

[Stavros Halkias]

Ben Agains.

[Katie Nolan]

Dan and I just ate at a Bennigan's on our holiday trip where it was in. Oh, no. Eat like Des Moines. Maybe it was somewhere we drive across.

[Stavros Halkias]

Oh, that's right.

[Katie Nolan]

The middle of the country. Yeah, we. Because our dog can't fly and we want to take our dog for Christmas. I felt too bad leaving her every holiday. So we drive. It's actually not bad. Except for the one time we had to sleep in the parking lot of Motel 6 in Nebraska. That sucked.

[Stavros Halkias]

There was a snowstorm or something.

[Katie Nolan]

Yeah, it was too windy.

[Stavros Halkias]

Too windy to drive.

[Katie Nolan]

Apparently it's so flat in Nebraska that if you're driving on the highway and it's really windy, then a truck could get flipped over, and then everybody's in danger. So we had to sleep in the parking lot of a Motel 6 with a dog. Very humbling. In a car. She had the whole back seat, and we just had our two seats reclined.

[Stavros Halkias]

Couldn't get the room, huh?

[Katie Nolan]

Really awful. No, they filled up. It was all truckers. We couldn't get them. They let us use their bathroom, which.

[Stavros Halkias]

Was very nice of them.

[Katie Nolan]

But we were driving through and we saw Bennigan's on a sign on our way out. And so then we planned our trip back. We had just eaten, and we were like, no. And so we planned on our trip back. That. That's where we. It was attached to a hotel. So we'll stay here on our way back. It was worth it.

[Stavros Halkias]

Ben Agains.

[Katie Nolan]

It's tasty.

[Stavros Halkias]

It's. You know, we were. We were. We were an Applebee's, then Chili's family, you know.

[Katie Nolan]

No TGI Fridays in the mix.

[Stavros Halkias]

We skipped TGI Fridays completely. Elvis was a tgi.

[Eldis]

We were big on Friday.

[Katie Nolan]

Jack Daniels chicken strips. That was. That was my high school.

[Eldis]

The Jack Daniels burger. That was. That was.

[Stavros Halkias]

My eldest. Still fondly recalls the Jack Daniels.

[Eldis]

I've been talking about it a lot. I should just go get one.

[Katie Nolan]

They might.

[Eldis]

I think they do. I think I looked up a menu recently. It just sounds good. I want that fucking.

[Stavros Halkias]

You're just googling. What's TGI Fridays? Current national menu. Just so you have the information.

[Katie Nolan]

Yeah, yeah. Jack Daniels. So Funny Fridays.

[Stavros Halkias]

Yeah. Fry.

[Katie Nolan]

You know, it's just a burger.

[Stavros Halkias]

Yeah. They throw a little. They throw a little.

[Eldis]

They have that sweet Sauce you like drench it?

[Stavros Halkias]

It's barbecue sauce.

[Eldis]

No, no, but it's like, it's very, it's thinner than barbecue sauce. It's like thinner and sweeter.

[Stavros Halkias]

No, no, I do believe you. I mean, you've had this burger a lot. Yeah, I remember your sister taking us out to get Jack Daniels burgers a couple times.

[Katie Nolan]

That's a good sister.

[Stavros Halkias]

Yeah, yeah, she's also a good sister. It's hot. It's summertime. You see, I'm sweating. I was out getting steps. I, I, I want to show you I'm a man that suffers during the summer. You see how I'm glistening? I already got 10, 000 steps. I don't want to brag halfway through the day, but when I'm out there trudging along, when I'm out there with these thick, generous thighs sweating up a storm, you know what's very important? My underwear. All right? You got to be comfortable. You got to get the right stuff. That's why I'm, I'm a meundies guy. They have this micro modal fabric, legit magic super soft. They feel, I will say this, which I like. They feel a little tighter than other, other underwear that I've tried. They kind of hug you in just the right way, but they're very soft. I started wearing them actually last summer before they were in a sponsor took when I went out to, to England. I was doing a movie. That's where I started kind of getting my steps in a lot. I was, I, I wasn't, I wasn't satisfied with my underwear. I started experimenting. I bought a bunch of different ones. Meundies were the ones that made the cut for me. The comfort is unbelievable. Like I said, that breathable micro mode dial just hugging your, you know, what's your fat little, you know, what's getting, getting enveloped by that beautiful fabric. Elders, you need to get. If you're not on these, these will change your life. I know your ass chafes left and right.

[Eldis]

I know I need to guess on the meundies.

[Stavros Halkias]

I did. I not only did I have some, they sent us a, a box. I kept them for myself. Maybe Eldis gets the second. Maybe if you, maybe if you buy some meundies, we can get Eldis some as well. So please. Yeah, you, you don't want to see the disgusting. The whole ridden underwear this guy is dragging along these days.

[Katie Nolan]

Please.

[Eldis]

It's literally 100 degrees out today.

[Stavros Halkias]

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[Katie Nolan]

Yeah, I also a better job story about dancing. I was a bar mitzvah dancer.

[Stavros Halkias]

A bar mitzvah dancer? What does that even mean?

[Katie Nolan]

So you know when you go how many you've been to a bunch of bar mitzvahs?

[Stavros Halkias]

I've been to a few. Yeah.

[Katie Nolan]

The. They usually have like the D J and then they'll have like the. Oh, two or three depending on the budget.

[Stavros Halkias]

Sure.

[Katie Nolan]

Young.

[Stavros Halkias]

Get the party going.

[Katie Nolan]

Yeah. Where the party starts.

[Stavros Halkias]

So you were really an incredibly low level sex worker.

[Katie Nolan]

Yes.

[Stavros Halkias]

You're an escort.

[Katie Nolan]

Yes.

[Stavros Halkias]

For 12 year old Jewish boys it.

[Katie Nolan]

Was like a geisha. More like a G. I would pour the sodas just like I would facilitate conversation.

[Stavros Halkias]

Oh my God. That's this dude.

[Katie Nolan]

Please don't touch.

[Stavros Halkias]

You'll do like some. Yeah, some of this with a 12 year old boy.

[Katie Nolan]

I'll go dance like when they do the snowball dances, you know when like a. They'd start with the birthday boy or girl or whatever and then. And they would split off and they'd each pick someone. I would always pick the kid you knew probably wasn't of course going to get so that they could feel like they were a part of it.

[Stavros Halkias]

Wow, that's fascinating.

[Katie Nolan]

Yeah.

[Stavros Halkias]

That there's like. Like how do you even get that job? Who? Who?

[Katie Nolan]

So I did it. I feel like I. My memory for my own life is really shady, but I feel like I did it in high school because I knew my friend's sister worked for a DJ company. So I worked with them and it was like for that age, the money must have been. The money was great. It was like 25 an hour.

[Stavros Halkias]

Yeah.

[Katie Nolan]

And it was like a four hour party. And then depending on who's, you know, paying, sometimes you need to get a tip. Sometimes you'd get to eat from their sick carving station.

[Stavros Halkias]

The starving stations were out of control in Barbie.

[Katie Nolan]

But then other times they would. You'd go to rich one, they'd have a carving station and then you'd be eating like a salad in the back.

[Stavros Halkias]

That's crazy.

[Katie Nolan]

Sucks. You're not even eating all of it.

[Stavros Halkias]

That's not sitting There on the bone food.

[Katie Nolan]

But so the pay was great for high school. And then in college, I think I just, like, looked for. I was like, well, now we're on Long island, so this is where the real money is.

[Stavros Halkias]

I was scavenging in Framingham, Massachusetts, having.

[Katie Nolan]

To travel a bunch. Then when I get to Long Island, I'm like, I can go down. I can do two in a night. I can hit up two bar mitzvahs, make a ton of money. And so that's. I think my roommate and I got into that together, which is nice.

[Stavros Halkias]

That is nice. And I'm glad. It also does feel like a feeder system for sex trafficking.

[Katie Nolan]

Yeah, I did get out and I think I looked back and was like, oh, I got out. Like, I didn't.

[Stavros Halkias]

That is so fucking funny to be like, gotta keep the party live. We're. We're hiring, like college girls to dance. To dance with 11 year olds.

[Katie Nolan]

Yeah. Yeah, it is. And I will say, the thing that got me out of it was it. It got really bleak towards the end. Again, as a. As a child who didn't.

[Stavros Halkias]

Yeah.

[Katie Nolan]

Hearing these 13 year olds. Because that's what a bar mitzvah is. You're celebrating turning 13. Talking about, like, you know, I'd go over and use my old moves from when I was in high school and be like, how come we're not dancing with those girls over there? And they'd be like, she's ran through. She already. She sucked my dick. Like, what? You're 13? You're 13. It was too much.

[Stavros Halkias]

The dynamic, so funny.

[Katie Nolan]

And once I was like, oh, you're all. This feels so different. The music station's uncomfortable now. I don't want to be.

[Stavros Halkias]

You're right. Because if the kids aren't, you're essentially like a. Like a lady who's like, hired to dress up as a Disney princess for a child's party.

[Katie Nolan]

Yes.

[Stavros Halkias]

But when they start, that's when you are. Now.

[Katie Nolan]

Now I'm like, don't look at me like that. I don't want to dance with any of you. Ran through. She's 13. There's no way she's ran through.

[Stavros Halkias]

It was long. Yeah. I mean, I remember one time in middle school, in gym, it's eighth grade, and it's like a. It's like the end of the year, we're eighth graders. It's like an open period. They don't, you know, we're playing. We're playing like pickup games. And a lot of kids are just chilling, talking. And I overheard like this. These kids making plans to get like. Like two dudes and a. And a girl are making plans for her to suck their dicks.

[Katie Nolan]

Sick.

[Stavros Halkias]

And I was like, what, you guys get head and you're just openly. You're not like nervous to like kiss a girl? You're like, okay, so, you know, clock's ticking. Are you gonna suck us off or not? Like, not only were they getting head, but they were. It was so normal to them about it that they like, were calmer about it than I am. Like, even now as like a 36 year old man. These kids. And then, then the funniest thing was they like, I'm like dribbling a ball. I overhear this and I go like. Like, I drop the ball. The balls just. And they see my face being like. And they're like, he listening. Another point at me like, yo, look, he listening. And I was like, oh. And then I'm like, miss a layup or something? I was like, no, I get. I've gotten head before. I've certainly kissed a woman once.

[Katie Nolan]

Oh, no.

[Stavros Halkias]

It was awesome.

[Katie Nolan]

Oh, no.

[Stavros Halkias]

And then they were. They were more. Literally more mature than I am now. They're like, like. And then they like kind of laughed it off and like went back to their plant. Like, didn't even. Here's how it's even more devastating. They even feel the need to bully me. They're like, that poor kid. Anyway, let's go get our dick sucked. Oh, man. That was. Yeah, that really was. I was. I think there was some fear, I guess. Yeah, from. I get. We. I. I mean, I went to Orthodox, you know, we're Greek Orthodox and it sounds way more hardcore than it is.

[Katie Nolan]

I was gonna say. What's the big thing? What's Greek Orthodox is big. Like we weren't allowed to. Something.

[Stavros Halkias]

See, not nothing really. Like, in fact, the first time I did touch tits was in my church. Actually, like, kind of similar to like how Jewish kids would like go to camp or whatever, right? We had like a youth group. People were like making out. I. I touched titties in ninth grade at the Greek festival. I was drunk and touching titties upstairs in ninth grade. Ninth or tenth. But don't get me wrong, that was it. It was like a little. A little. That's almost like God teasing me.

[Katie Nolan]

Like, hey, man, here's what.

[Stavros Halkias]

You're gonna touch tits twice in one summer and then say goodbye to them till college. It was like. It was, it was actually more cruel than not letting me touch.

[Katie Nolan]

You'd almost rather not know what it feels like. Instead you're at home being like just.

[Stavros Halkias]

Like looking at my hands, crying. And I think I've told the story before, but not only did I. I experienced like sort of that girl. I was like, it was like kind of awesome. I was like, whoa, this girl's letting me touch this. We were, we went to the same high school. And then I hit her up, you know, on MySpace. This is the days we're talking, right? And she's like, haha, last night was pretty crazy. Don't remember anything. How about you?

[Katie Nolan]

Oh.

[Stavros Halkias]

And then I was like, me neither. And she's like posting a picture with like her. She had a boyfriend.

[Katie Nolan]

She was like cheating on you had touched, taking tits.

[Stavros Halkias]

I had touched. Taking tit. Yep, yep, yep. And then she kind of played it off and like I was nothing but a piece of ass for the night to her.

[Katie Nolan]

Damn. You got used.

[Stavros Halkias]

I got used. I got. Yeah. And I was like, of course. I was like, well, I'm essentially married now. This is my wife.

[Katie Nolan]

Like I'm like loyal to her for the rest of my life.

[Stavros Halkias]

I'm literally like, well, I have a girlfriend.

[Katie Nolan]

I can only think about her when I masturbate. No more porn for me.

[Stavros Halkias]

You know what? Maybe that was. It was 10th. Was it 11th grade? Because I had a.

[Katie Nolan]

If the number keeps going up.

[Stavros Halkias]

Yeah, yeah, it was, it was, it was four days ago.

[Katie Nolan]

My first set.

[Stavros Halkias]

That was okay. No, I made. That was one was 10th grade. And then this girl that I'm thinking of was 11th because I had a day job. I had a job. An after school job.

[Katie Nolan]

Oh yeah, you were a working man.

[Stavros Halkias]

I was a working man.

[Katie Nolan]

You needed those tips.

[Stavros Halkias]

I was a telemarketer.

[Katie Nolan]

Oh my God.

[Stavros Halkias]

Yeah.

[Katie Nolan]

That's way too young to be a telemarketer.

[Stavros Halkias]

Oh yeah. I mean we, we 100 aided in the mortgage crisis. It was a company called American Government Mortgage.

[Katie Nolan]

Yeah, that's what they're all called. I feel.

[Stavros Halkias]

Well, they're called that some form of.

[Katie Nolan]

Words that sound important and correct. It's supposed to be scammed. Did Dan tell you he got scammed?

[Stavros Halkias]

Oh, when? Recently or back in the day?

[Katie Nolan]

Oh no, I shouldn't share this. This is his story to share. I shouldn't share it. Star Rose. I stepped out of the house for just a little bit.

[Stavros Halkias]

Oh no.

[Katie Nolan]

I went to do a podcast and when I came home, I mean he full on and like wrote on a post it note and it's okay, I'll say.

[Stavros Halkias]

I'll ask him.

[Katie Nolan]

Holy.

[Stavros Halkias]

I think he probably is coming to do the pod very next week. Or a couple.

[Katie Nolan]

Make him tell you the story.

[Stavros Halkias]

I can't wait. That's so funny.

[Katie Nolan]

So embarrassing. Oh, my God. So embarrassing.

[Stavros Halkias]

There are some scams going around.

[Katie Nolan]

Everybody's doing it. Everybody's American government, mortgage or whatever.

[Stavros Halkias]

Well, to my credit, I was so bad. I never felt nobody ever filled out an apple. I was so bad at the job. Job. I mean, I was on MySpace.

[Katie Nolan]

Yeah. Cold, cold calling. I just would write that. I called and they didn't answer. I didn't call. I don't want to call anybody. Yeah, that suck. Hi. Do you want a gym membership?

[Stavros Halkias]

No.

[Katie Nolan]

If they did, they'd be here. Yeah, yeah, I'm gonna call and sell them. That's not gonna work.

[Stavros Halkias]

That must work like one out of. Were there people that were good at that? Yes.

[Katie Nolan]

This kid Andre, he had this like phone bank and he would just. He never left his office. You never saw him give a tour of the gym?

[Stavros Halkias]

Really?

[Katie Nolan]

You never saw him like, do any outreach? He just had his. His leads. He would call them and he would lead the company in sales. I never figured out how he did it, but there had to be some sort of nefarious.

[Stavros Halkias]

You think it was nefarious?

[Katie Nolan]

I don't know. I think he had other people making calls for him.

[Stavros Halkias]

Interesting.

[Katie Nolan]

It was an interesting sale. I'm not built for the sales world.

[Stavros Halkias]

Yeah.

[Katie Nolan]

I don't have that. Like.

[Stavros Halkias]

You have to be so pushy.

[Katie Nolan]

People sign up for this gym. That was like a lot of money. A month.

[Stavros Halkias]

A month.

[Katie Nolan]

During the recession when people were losing their jobs, I was locking them into one year contracts to be like, oh, you got fired. Unfortunately, I do still need you to uphold your end of the deal. I felt really shitty about that.

[Stavros Halkias]

They wait, they made you like, call and be like.

[Katie Nolan]

Well, they would come in and go like, can we cancel our membership? And I was like, unfortunately, you're on your first year, so for a year you are locked in.

[Stavros Halkias]

Holy.

[Katie Nolan]

Once the year is up, I could cancel.

[Stavros Halkias]

Damn. They.

[Katie Nolan]

I think they eventually reversed that policy. I think enough people were like, this is.

[Stavros Halkias]

I mean, that's insane.

[Katie Nolan]

We don't have jobs.

[Stavros Halkias]

The. The fact that gyms are able to just be like, like, no, you have to do a little obstacle course in order to cancel.

[Katie Nolan]

Come in, talk to me for an.

[Stavros Halkias]

Hour, write me a letter. It's like, what the is this?

[Katie Nolan]

I know, it's crazy.

[Stavros Halkias]

Gym.

[Katie Nolan]

Yeah. We should be able to just go.

[Stavros Halkias]

I can cancel anything.

[Katie Nolan]

Cancel?

[Stavros Halkias]

Yeah.

[Katie Nolan]

Even cable now is easier than it Used to be. But gyms, you've got to.

[Stavros Halkias]

Yeah. They make you jump. And I don't know why. That's why. How strong is the gym lobby that they're allowed to do that legally?

[Katie Nolan]

I think it's that they. Their business model runs on people paying for it and not going, of course. So they. Once you're in that situation, they would love to keep you in that situation, because if everybody came in, there wouldn't be enough machines.

[Stavros Halkias]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Katie Nolan]

So they want. Especially people.

[Stavros Halkias]

Literally. Planet Fitness.

[Katie Nolan]

Yeah.

[Stavros Halkias]

Cannot house the amount of people.

[Katie Nolan]

It's like the way that we had to hit our quota every month in sales. I think early in my tenure, six months, I said, like, where are we putting all these people? And they looked at me with the like, yeah, honey, they don't show up. It's. You sort of just keep selling every month to more people that can't fit into the same gym. So I think that's why they make it hard to cancel, because they're like, this keeps us, of course, afloat.

[Stavros Halkias]

This is how we rob people.

[Katie Nolan]

If people who didn't want to be here could cancel easily, we'd make no money.

[Stavros Halkias]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, they'd still get people like me who just forget.

[Katie Nolan]

Yeah.

[Stavros Halkias]

I let stuff ride way too long.

[Katie Nolan]

Way too. I had two health insurances.

[Stavros Halkias]

Did you go to the doctor?

[Katie Nolan]

Because I had never. Yes. I had never had health insurance through work for some reason. Something about being on air talent. They never give you the, like, benefits stuff. So I'd gotten it through the marketplace. And then when I got to espn, they were like, we're giving you health insurance. I was like, sick. But I didn't cancel my other one in time. I didn't understand the coverages of the one for ESPN, and that was only costing me 12 bucks out of a paycheck.

[Stavros Halkias]

Yeah, yeah. So whatever.

[Katie Nolan]

I was like, whatever.

[Stavros Halkias]

Double doctor, baby.

[Katie Nolan]

Two health insurances.

[Stavros Halkias]

I want Xanax twice. I want two Zanny prescriptions. Make it happen. Oh, Elvis, you know, it's summertime. You know, it's barbecue time, picnic time, hang out with the boy, get on a hammock and chill out time. And no matter what you're doing on the summer, you know what kind of beverage is going to help keep you not only cool, but it's going to help you keep it something else. That's right. It's gonna help you keep it twisted. Our friends over at Twisted Tea, our favorite beverage here at Stavi's World, we keep it the motherfuck twisted and you know that by now. Delicious goes down smooth. Lot of different flavors, no pesky carbonation to stop you from letting it go down smooth. There's nothing I hate more than carbonation making a beverage not smooth. Well, good news, because this 5% by volume, real brewed iced tea concoction. 5%. Like I said, ABV. Full flavor, refreshing. You're gonna love it. You love it. By now you're probably drinking it. This is. Twisted Tea is wasting their money advertising. You're probably already. It's so ubiquitous on the show. Don't tell them that, by the way. I want to. This is. This is the only way.

[Eldis]

No, it's not. Stop.

[Stavros Halkias]

This is the only way elders can afford a home. Some days, if Twisted Teekee keeps. I. I cut him a deal. He gets 1% of all our earnings from Twisted T. That's his whole salary.

[Eldis]

I'm really pushing for, you know, a fully annual sponsored year by Twisted T, honestly.

[Stavros Halkias]

And we're gonna put this in the middle of an advertisement. We are. We want more advertisements. Twisted T. Put us on tv. Let us be the face of Twisted T. We're ready. Twisted T. And we know, you know, it's gonna make that happen, folks. You. You. You know what you're gonna do this summer? You're gonna grab a refreshing Twisted Tea and you're gonna keep it twisted. I mean, we should. Look, we have some questions to get to, but we do. You know, we have a sports professional here. We should talk about how hysterical. It's like, do you think the New England Patriots did a monkey paw wish to be a dynasty? And they were like, whatever it takes after we retire, our lives are ruined. Do you think that's what's happening with Bill Belichick, Tom Brady and the Kraft family? What do you think? Because it is hilarious that Bill Belichick is dating, literally, let's say someone who's the age to be a bar mitzvah dancer? You know what I mean?

[Katie Nolan]

She'd be great.

[Stavros Halkias]

She would actually crush it.

[Katie Nolan]

She's got the personality.

[Stavros Halkias]

She's got the range.

[Katie Nolan]

She sure does.

[Stavros Halkias]

She can entertain an old man. She can entertain an 11 year old.

[Katie Nolan]

She can pretend to enjoy something. Clearly. It's, you know, it's more mortifying. The first person I actually talked to about it when it was, you know, the story was starting to break, I was doing the Great British Bake Off.

[Stavros Halkias]

Oh, wow.

[Katie Nolan]

With DK Metcalf. And he just like, he goes, how about Bill's new girlfriend? And looked at me like that. And I was like, look, I'm just glad he's. He's. He waited till he wasn't right here.

[Stavros Halkias]

Right. Stuff's coming out.

[Katie Nolan]

Yeah, I know she might have been around out. She probably was, but at least we didn't know. At least it wasn't a story at the time.

[Stavros Halkias]

Right. At least they had the decency to threaten reporters for two years. He's about to retire. This is what you want to do to his legacy?

[Katie Nolan]

You ever want.

[Stavros Halkias]

You ever want to be back in here again? You want access? Ever shut the up about this?

[Katie Nolan]

That's. It's just.

[Stavros Halkias]

She's his nurse, if anybody asks.

[Katie Nolan]

Well, pretty soon she would be, so she should know. That's what she's. Look, I don't know. I keep going back and forth on it. Cuz part of me, I'm like, I wonder. Want. Look, if you're willing.

[Stavros Halkias]

Sure.

[Katie Nolan]

To have sex with Bill Belichick, who am I to say that's not worth $8 million in a real estate portfolio?

[Stavros Halkias]

Tip of the cap for a true hustler. You are doing it for a bag chaser to the absolute max.

[Katie Nolan]

Right.

[Stavros Halkias]

You got to respect her. The Belichick family's nervous. That's how you know she's on to something. Because it started leaking where? Like his family's like, look, man, we don't fucking like it either.

[Katie Nolan]

We don't know what this is about.

[Stavros Halkias]

And no one is happy about it.

[Katie Nolan]

Younger than spent. She's younger than his kids. His youngest kid, his daughter, I believe is in her, like, later 30s.

[Stavros Halkias]

She's a third of his age, right?

[Katie Nolan]

Yes. She's 24. 5. And he is. And there's questions about that. I know he is 74 or five. It's 72. 72 or three. Okay, sorry.

[Stavros Halkias]

Yeah.

[Katie Nolan]

That one year makes the difference. But Belcher.

[Stavros Halkias]

Okay. Close to three times. That's. Yeah. Is that exactly three? I think it is. I'm a math genius. She's 24. Yeah.

[Katie Nolan]

Yeah. So she's one look.

[Stavros Halkias]

And I'm no prude here. And I'm not even the. An age gap guy.

[Katie Nolan]

This is an alarming years.

[Stavros Halkias]

It's kind of tough.

[Katie Nolan]

My dad shouldn't split the difference between my. My boyfriend and I. That's crazy. Oh, like, who can relate better to my dad? Me, Me or my boyfriend Coming from.

[Stavros Halkias]

Two different sides, like it's kind of a stretch for your dad.

[Katie Nolan]

I know.

[Stavros Halkias]

Like, it's not. There's like a 50 year old guy and a 72 year old guy. It's not guaranteed. They'll even be friends. I know, but his daughter. I know, it is hilarious. It's like, damn, what was he up to before?

[Katie Nolan]

I know. I just think the. The wildness of it for me is just the shell shock of like, yeah, out of nowhere. And just. In Bill, we trust. Trust. It was like the. The mantra was like, do your job. In Bill we trust. Like, everything is gonna work itself out. It's run like a machine. And then now.

[Stavros Halkias]

Yeah.

[Katie Nolan]

I don't know.

[Stavros Halkias]

North Carolina has got to be so pissed.

[Katie Nolan]

I think they're at least a little bit like, what's going on?

[Stavros Halkias]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. To hire Bill Bell, it was already like, look, he might not have, you know, even though I do think he was to. I hate to, you know, give. Give anybody from your favorite organization any credit, but I don't have to. I do think he, even at the end was still a good defensive coach.

[Katie Nolan]

Yeah.

[Stavros Halkias]

I mean, their offense was absolute dog, but I think he still was like, even when they were really blowing it, he still was, you know, clearly had something in the tank.

[Katie Nolan]

Very talented.

[Stavros Halkias]

And. And as a prestige hire, it's like, we're North Carolina. We've always been kind of like a second rate. We've always been a basketball school. We've had some fun players and some good teams, but no, we've never really been a program. It's like, this will put us on the map as, like, we are gonna turn into, like a respected school football like, program. And to be like, oh, and by the way, there's. There's a whole. No one is talking about our football team. Everyone's talking about how Belichick's girlfriend could be a TA at North Carolina. She could literally be. She could be a dumb senior at the school. She could still be enrolled there. She could easily be a grad student. Everyone's talking about that. No one's talking about it. And it's going to be so funny to just watch.

[Katie Nolan]

Very fascinated to see how the season goes because college football fans famously aren't afraid to use anything they know about you against you. And so I can't imagine it's going to be a lot of people just being like, that's great. Good for them. I hope they're happy.

[Stavros Halkias]

I guess they're lucky that what Duke is their biggest. Obviously it's their biggest basketball rival, but it's like, like Duke also. I mean, they're kind of in the same boat where they've had some randomly good years, but I don't know if they're supposed to be Good. This year. But that' the team.

[Katie Nolan]

Anything about college football anymore, because it's all different now.

[Stavros Halkias]

Yeah.

[Katie Nolan]

The system has completely upended all the. The conferences are different. None of the numbers match up with the numbers of teams.

[Stavros Halkias]

Hey, nice try. We're still talking about Belichick. Okay.

[Katie Nolan]

But there's.

[Stavros Halkias]

You're a pro.

[Katie Nolan]

Shift.

[Stavros Halkias]

You're a pro. I see what you're doing, and you made a good point. You almost got me. We are. We are going to. We are going to circle back to the embarrassing thing about your favorite coach. Okay. And then also, I think it works also with Brady, obviously, because it's like his life has completely fallen. I really think these. These are the most, like, cautionary tale, like, greatness destroys you. It's not worth it.

[Katie Nolan]

Right.

[Stavros Halkias]

It's like, that's.

[Katie Nolan]

That's why we haven't done it.

[Stavros Halkias]

That's also. Yeah, that's exactly why I'll never. We're not in the top 100, right? Pod? We're barely hanging on to the top 100 comedy charts, let alone the overall charts. That's what it is. We don't want to pay the price.

[Katie Nolan]

Oh, no, no.

[Stavros Halkias]

Here at Stavi's World, we're. We're comfortable peaking at, like, you know, 70 on the top 100 when we have a famous guest on. Yeah, but it feels that way.

[Katie Nolan]

It feels like you're cool with it.

[Stavros Halkias]

I actually. I literally am. It rocks. But it's just so funny that, like, there's. And, like, you saw with the Last Dance, too. It's like, did Jordan look like a guy who was happy?

[Katie Nolan]

No.

[Stavros Halkias]

Like, how. Like, his eyes are jaundiced. No, they're yellow as fuck.

[Katie Nolan]

I know. And he's going back to work.

[Stavros Halkias]

He's going back to.

[Katie Nolan]

That made me go like, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. We are definitely in a recession. Yeah, I know. The gambling.

[Stavros Halkias]

Yeah, whatever. How down is he in blackjack? He's taking a fucking.

[Katie Nolan]

How could you possibly need to come back to work?

[Stavros Halkias]

Yeah. I think he just doesn't want to be alone with his thoughts, is my guess.

[Katie Nolan]

Yeah. And I get it. Yeah, I get it. But it's just like, you know, with all these athletes coming in and doing podcasts now, you're just like, okay. And what about those of us who don't just like to watch sports?

[Stavros Halkias]

Yeah, yeah.

[Katie Nolan]

Who are just here because they think it's fun and entertaining.

[Stavros Halkias]

I know. For me, I'll take it a step further. It's like, get the. Off my block, you. This is all we have yes. You're rich. You're. You were at. At least most of you are still in, like, pretty good shape. You're. You know, the ones who want to be in media are probably handsome or beautiful. Get the. Away from us.

[Katie Nolan]

Just leave the podcast.

[Stavros Halkias]

We get podcasting. Go be on tv. At least you. We can't have ones they're paying, so.

[Katie Nolan]

Just go get paid by them.

[Stavros Halkias]

Yeah.

[Katie Nolan]

And let us just sit in our cat, on our couches.

[Stavros Halkias]

Yeah.

[Katie Nolan]

In our yucky clothes, talking into our microphones.

[Stavros Halkias]

Yeah.

[Katie Nolan]

Why do you have to take this?

[Stavros Halkias]

Yeah. They want to take it all from us. And I. You know what? We won't let you. We're fighting tooth and nail.

[Katie Nolan]

That's right.

[Stavros Halkias]

Go listen to casuals.

[Katie Nolan]

That's right. Right now.

[Stavros Halkias]

Right now. Great show. And yes. You know, Brady's got cucked to oblivion. He sucks it. He sucks at. At calling games. Everyone's, you know, on him for that.

[Eldis]

That.

[Stavros Halkias]

That feels good.

[Katie Nolan]

Working on it. He's working on it. He throw somebody in one year to into calling a game like the Super Bowl.

[Stavros Halkias]

I know it's tough. It's a challenge, but that's also the ego of being like, I can be the best.

[Katie Nolan]

It's like, if I can play it, I can talk about it. Yeah, I get that. I'd probably be that way too.

[Stavros Halkias]

And, you know, obviously craft. You know, sex.

[Katie Nolan]

That was before, though.

[Stavros Halkias]

That was before. That was kind of the harbinger.

[Katie Nolan]

He was kind of the first one to go.

[Stavros Halkias]

That was like the canary in the coal mine.

[Katie Nolan]

Yeah.

[Stavros Halkias]

But just would like to bring that up for the record. The Kraft family, please.

[Katie Nolan]

Anything else?

[Stavros Halkias]

A billionaire took a private jet to go to a. To go to like a weird shitty massage parlor where the women are mistreated instead of just paying. And we're pro sex work here, by the way. Instead of just paying a high end sex. Like, he's a fucking billionaire.

[Katie Nolan]

Instead of just having a bar mitzvah.

[Stavros Halkias]

For your kid, getting a bar mitzvah, chatting up the hottest dancer and being like, how would you like to not have to work for two years? How would you like. How would you like a condo?

[Katie Nolan]

Welcome to the organization. Come on.

[Stavros Halkias]

Yeah, why don't. I mean, that's. That's the most despicable thing. Because it's like so clearly a guy that wants someone whose life is bad to jerk him off instead of. He doesn't want to get. He doesn't want to let a nut off. Like, who amongst us doesn't want to let a nut off?

[Katie Nolan]

Right.

[Stavros Halkias]

You know what I mean, with his resources.

[Katie Nolan]

Right.

[Stavros Halkias]

You could be. You could be dealing with the. Some of the greatest minds and, you know, talents in the making. People nuts.

[Katie Nolan]

Nut innovators in the space.

[Stavros Halkias]

Innovators. Women who are doing stuff I can't even think of right now. But no, he takes the. He gasses up the private jet to go to Florida and. So anyway, just wanted to.

[Katie Nolan]

Anyway, let. Those are all the indiscretions from people associated with my team also. You know, Aaron Hernandez and the murder and stuff. Yeah.

[Stavros Halkias]

And we don't.

[Katie Nolan]

And.

[Stavros Halkias]

And that's actually where this ends. We don't have to talk about the Baltimore Ravens or anything like that. And why don't we start. And why don't we start doing the questions now? Else.

[Katie Nolan]

Eldest, remember the deer piss?

[Stavros Halkias]

I'm pro steroids, though, so I don't even care.

[Katie Nolan]

They're coming out with a pro steroid league.

[Stavros Halkias]

That does look cool. I hate that it's Peter Thiel.

[Katie Nolan]

Yeah.

[Stavros Halkias]

Because he is a piece of. But the enhanced games is a great idea.

[Katie Nolan]

Enhanced games.

[Stavros Halkias]

You kind of have to again, tip your cap.

[Katie Nolan]

Because who's gonna die?

[Stavros Halkias]

Hey, they're gonna die. You know what I mean? Yeah.

[Katie Nolan]

They're going one way or another.

[Stavros Halkias]

They're going one way or another. Let's get in the. Let's. I guess you're right. Because can you have limits on the amount?

[Katie Nolan]

I don't know. See that? I got to look into that. But they should have like their whole pitch was that they want to unlock human potential.

[Stavros Halkias]

Right.

[Katie Nolan]

They feel that leagues are stifling our ability to really push the limits.

[Stavros Halkias]

I do think steroids in obviously baseball is cool. That's the last time it was like, fun to watch baseball. Yeah. I know you're a big baseball guy.

[Katie Nolan]

Personally, but I get it. I know it's not.

[Stavros Halkias]

I mean. No, no. It was obviously. I mean. And I'm a little mad because the Orioles suck this year. We're gonna figure it out.

[Katie Nolan]

Last place currently.

[Stavros Halkias]

Yeah, it's tough. It is tough.

[Katie Nolan]

I thought you're on a little heater.

[Stavros Halkias]

What happened to you? Owner didn't even spend that much money. Yeah, that pissed me off. Yeah, we getting you owner. We're finally free of that cheapskate Greek. And like, like. And now. Anyway, whatever. It doesn't matter. But steroids are cool.

[Katie Nolan]

But you.

[Stavros Halkias]

Are you saying that somebody's going to die? And the fact that it is Peter Thiel, it's like, oh, they really are just trying to accelerate. Because you could argue that the NFL, even right now is Taking mostly poor people and giving them brain damage for our entertainment.

[Katie Nolan]

Yeah. Their. Their ticket out of the life that they were born into is brain damage.

[Stavros Halkias]

Yeah, yeah.

[Katie Nolan]

Basically you boil it down, and then.

[Stavros Halkias]

When you really look at how much much like NFL players make and how much the average career is really, you could argue, not worth it. You'd be so much better off having a regular blue collar job, actually. Probably. Right.

[Katie Nolan]

I don't know anymore because the job market's a mess. But that sounds right.

[Stavros Halkias]

I mean, we're not the stars, obviously, but, like, when we're talking about special teams guys and stuff like that.

[Katie Nolan]

Yeah. Guys who are, like on practice squads.

[Stavros Halkias]

Average five years in the league and make league minimum or maybe a couple million bucks that after. Depending on where they live.

[Katie Nolan]

Right.

[Stavros Halkias]

After taxes, after age and stuff like.

[Katie Nolan]

And they're out just as bodies.

[Stavros Halkias]

Just like into other bodies. Yeah, yeah, yeah, Those. But when you're talking about the enhanced games, like, oh, they're really just trying to accelerate how quickly they can use up a person.

[Katie Nolan]

Yeah.

[Stavros Halkias]

Because like, if you give somebody steroids and just to like, get as strong as possible.

[Katie Nolan]

Yeah.

[Stavros Halkias]

They will be so cool for two years. And they will probably be like, their heart's gonna explode.

[Katie Nolan]

There's just no way. They're like, I want to push the world record, so I'll do twice as much.

[Stavros Halkias]

Damn.

[Katie Nolan]

And then that just feels like it could end if it ever even starts.

[Stavros Halkias]

Thanks a lot. Now I'm not excited about the steroid thing anymore.

[Katie Nolan]

It's breaking me out in hives. So I too, am anxious.

[Stavros Halkias]

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[Katie Nolan]

Don'T we take some calls?

[Stavros Halkias]

Take some calls.

[Caller 1]

Hey, Sa big fan of the show. Yeah. So I have a problem of sorts and I just really love your opinion. Okay, I'll jump right into it. I've been with my current boyfriend for about four months. We have a bit of an age gap.

[Katie Nolan]

It's nine years.

[Caller 1]

I'm currently 24.

[Stavros Halkias]

Oh, Jordan, Jordan. Age.

[Caller 1]

But at the beginning of our relationship.

[Stavros Halkias]

As one, I'm gonna guess he's older. I hope cuz he would be 15 otherwise. Let's finish up.

[Eldis]

He's nine years older. She says yes.

[Katie Nolan]

Okay, okay, okay.

[Caller 1]

I'm currently 2024. But at the beginning of our relationship as one does, I stalked his socials and like, let me tell you, I'm really good at it. Like level, like deep. Like I'm looking at like newspaper articles about him from when he was like eight kind of thing.

[Katie Nolan]

Sick.

[Caller 1]

But I didn't really have to dig that deep because I found like on like Facebook and Twitter, some really like cringe content. Like just like, I don't know, it's not anything that people would really like, post now. And it's like, I don't know, it's stuff that is kind of like personal or he's like drunk or it's like fights with his girlfriend that he's posting about. Well, his girlfriend at the time. But I was just wondering, is that, was that normal for the time? Because this is like 15 years old.

[Katie Nolan]

Back in the early days of the Internet. Is this regular, I'm too young to hear lady about Friendster, Why don't you.

[Stavros Halkias]

Go suck off your white trash boyfriend?

[Katie Nolan]

Older boyfriend, year old boyfriend.

[Stavros Halkias]

But anyway, let her finish.

[Katie Nolan]

Yeah, yeah.

[Caller 1]

Because I wasn't like, yeah, yeah, we get it. I'm wondering if it's something that I can bring up to talk to him about. Because I wouldn't necessarily be with someone that was posting kind of stuff like that now just because it's unsettling and like just really cringe.

[Katie Nolan]

I need an example.

[Caller 1]

But yeah, is that something I can talk to him about? Is it a red flag? Do you think someone who would do stuff like that in the past has changed a lot?

[Katie Nolan]

Yes, probably.

[Caller 1]

Anyways, thank you very much. I'd love your opinion.

[Stavros Halkias]

Anyway, this is interesting. And okay, as much as it pains me to give her an actual answer, yes, there was a time where the Internet really felt like a complete wild west.

[Katie Nolan]

Yes.

[Stavros Halkias]

Like Twitter. Like, it's crazy that people. You know, it's. This point has been made a lot, but it's crazy that people get canceled for or were getting canceled that seems to be over. It's like Twitter felt like nothing.

[Katie Nolan]

Nothing.

[Stavros Halkias]

No one used it. It wasn't important. It was just like the void. Like, you know, there's a. There's that classic tweet where that guy's like, I used to. I used to teach people how to cook crack on Twitter. Now you can't even call a fat bitch fat on Twitter. Which is hysterical. And exactly. Exactly. Kind of the point.

[Katie Nolan]

Twitter, before it was an app, before we all had smartphones.

[Stavros Halkias]

Yeah. It was just a weird little website.

[Katie Nolan]

You would text. You could save the number in your phone as Twitter and you could send it to. Text to Twitter and it would post it as your tweet. So I was firing off, like, heading to class, information that nobody needed.

[Stavros Halkias]

You would post lyrics, you know, like Lil Wayne lyrics. And I think a lot of white people got in trouble for quoting the N word.

[Katie Nolan]

Right. Because before you couldn't. You. There wasn't a button for retweeting. You would have to write rt, then you would copy and paste their tweet. And so when it was funny watching when like that evolved into retweeting, people didn't realize what that was. They thought somebody was just typing. Yeah, no, that's them retweeting someone else's tweet. It's.

[Stavros Halkias]

Yeah, it was very funny, but. And yes, people were doing. And Facebook was a bit of a ope. Why you know, it'll be like, what are you thinking about? And do I. Did I. I think my. I think we deleted my Facebook when we were like, starting a smart business page or some shit. But boy, did I. I mean, I mean, I will say this. I didn't do any of that. What she's talking about. Yeah, but did I read my Facebooks and statuses and cringe about, like, who I was when I was 18 or in college or like, you want again, we are talking about. This is the height of our. In seldom.

[Eldis]

Yeah.

[Stavros Halkias]

And just like, the pathetic ways that I'm like, clearly trying to get a woman's attention or like the simp ass, like, messages you would send. Like, you know what Whatever. I just like literally stuff that. Because I'm okay with embarrassing myself. And like, you know, I share a lot. But like when you just see artifact, a true archaeological. It's not your memories, it's not the way you prepare yourself. It's just the facts of who you are. And you can analyze what a loser you were. That's gonna suck for anyone who didn't realize. Guys, the year. Like we also didn't know this would be around forever. It just felt like something you posted and it kind of disappeared.

[Katie Nolan]

Ephemeral.

[Stavros Halkias]

It felt very.

[Katie Nolan]

I'm just sending it out. No one's gonna read it. No one's gonna care.

[Stavros Halkias]

Yes. So part one.

[Katie Nolan]

Yeah.

[Stavros Halkias]

Is can people change? Absolutely. Obviously it kind of. And I feel bad for kids now because they are just like gonna have what we described but video of their whole lives and acting like losers. Or it's gonna be even weirder where. Where they develop some kind of weird split personality because everybody has to have the. The sort of like the way like celebrities have like manicured PR versions of themselves.

[Katie Nolan]

Yeah.

[Stavros Halkias]

Children have to start doing that.

[Katie Nolan]

Yeah.

[Stavros Halkias]

Either they will be embarrassed or they will become these weird little sociopaths that act like, you know, they have their. Act like their own publicist their whole life.

[Katie Nolan]

Yeah.

[Stavros Halkias]

So to answer that part, yes, someone can change. Now, you do happen to have a clear look into what kind of person he was 10 to 15 years ago.

[Katie Nolan]

Sure.

[Stavros Halkias]

And you can do a little like, how bad is this stuff? You know what I mean? It's like.

[Katie Nolan]

Because my thought was it's pro. It might be cringy. It was 10 to 15 years ago, so it could. He might have grown out of it. If it, if it gives you the ick. If you read it and it made you go like, ew.

[Stavros Halkias]

Well that.

[Katie Nolan]

Then that, that's. That is. You can't den. It's hard to move past that.

[Stavros Halkias]

But see, here's what I'll say. Ick is one. I would say I actually feel like if it's ick, you have to understand you're not dating him from 15 years ago. Right. Like, and you have to be like, he was a loser. But yes. A lot of people 15 years ago you were nine or whatever the. Right. Like he doesn't. Hopefully he doesn't want to date you 15 years ago either. Right.

[Katie Nolan]

Fingers crossed.

[Stavros Halkias]

Yeah.

[Katie Nolan]

I mean.

[Stavros Halkias]

Cuz that would be a big red flag. Right?

[Katie Nolan]

Yeah.

[Stavros Halkias]

I would say Ick. You kind of have to like give him the benefit of the growing out of. I would say. Are there Bigger red flags. Like, she's saying he's posting, like, fight videos or, like, drunk or whatever. Or, like, I guess, fights with girlfriend.

[Katie Nolan]

Girlfriend. I don't think they're fighting.

[Stavros Halkias]

Okay, good, good, good, good.

[Eldis]

Posting like some emo, like.

[Stavros Halkias]

Right.

[Eldis]

You know, just talking about breakups and stuff or being drunk, basically.

[Katie Nolan]

Over sharing.

[Eldis]

Yeah.

[Katie Nolan]

Which getting a man to do in general throughout history is very difficult. And so this is probably incredibly vulnerable to him. If you knew you had.

[Stavros Halkias]

True.

[Katie Nolan]

I would also say just at this current juncture where we are in the world, hearing from people that are, like, trying to find their partner right now sounds kind of like a nightmare.

[Stavros Halkias]

Yeah.

[Katie Nolan]

I don't think you got to dig too.

[Stavros Halkias]

No, this is also your fault.

[Katie Nolan]

You're torturing yourself. Look less. You know, Take a glance at it. Look at, you know, the newspaper article about when he hit, you know, when he went 2 for 4 at the plate that day and helped them get to the.

[Stavros Halkias]

Yep.

[Katie Nolan]

To this championship. But I don't think we need to go, like, don't. You shouldn't be, like, every night logging in for your time to dig through his old. You'll find something eventually.

[Stavros Halkias]

Well, that's. This is the Cl. The Cl. That for the phrase, play stupid games, win stupid prizes.

[Katie Nolan]

Yeah.

[Stavros Halkias]

It's like. Yeah. What did you think? You. You thought he was going to be cool 15 years ago online. Yeah. So 15 years ago, if he's. If she's 24 and he's nine years. This is like a shitty middle school math problem. Problem. So she.

[Katie Nolan]

She's 24 and he's nine years older.

[Eldis]

So he was 20.

[Stavros Halkias]

So he's 34.

[Katie Nolan]

Yeah.

[Stavros Halkias]

So this is like his early. She's 20. Right. He's about our age. Whatever. So, yeah, 15 years ago. I'm 20. I don't really want that out there.

[Eldis]

Here's the other thing. I mean, Facebook back then was also like. Your Facebook world was like, maybe 100 people.

[Katie Nolan]

It was like people you went to college with.

[Eldis]

That's before, like, parents started getting on it. And it's like, it's time to look for a new online space.

[Katie Nolan]

That's when we knew it. Died. Died.

[Eldis]

Yeah.

[Stavros Halkias]

Oh, yeah.

[Katie Nolan]

Yeah. Like, oh, my mom's here. I don't think so.

[Eldis]

He thought he was, like, posting that dumb for, like, you know, just his small circle of buddies or people he knows from, like, college or something. He didn't think, you know, whatever.

[Stavros Halkias]

Yeah. Don't.

[Eldis]

His girlfriend now is, like, gonna look at that a decade later.

[Stavros Halkias]

If. Also, if somebody I was dating was like, hey, can I. I want to talk to you about what you posted January of. Of 2010. I'd be like, what the. Are you go for content?

[Katie Nolan]

You want to film us talking about it? What could we possibly need to talk about?

[Stavros Halkias]

Yeah, I would be like, why did you do that? That's weird.

[Katie Nolan]

Yeah.

[Stavros Halkias]

This is a red flag on your part as well. Like, it is actually more a red flag on you. Again, there is a line where if he's. If he's posting like, white supremacist stuff.

[Katie Nolan]

Yes.

[Stavros Halkias]

There's a. There's a. There's like. Like, you know, you can have a con. Like there's certain things that guy. Yeah, yeah.

[Katie Nolan]

Or way behind it.

[Stavros Halkias]

I don't know.

[Katie Nolan]

It's hard to know.

[Stavros Halkias]

Yeah. That wasn't the time to do it. But yeah, there'd be a resurgence. But if there's certain things that obviously. Oh, wait, this was like, you know, posting violent or racist or very Any kind of Anything that really, like, unsettles you in a way. But like, cringe does not. You cannot. If it's just cringe, you're the one who's in the wrong for looking this up. You know what I mean?

[Katie Nolan]

I think everybody has to go through a cringe period to evolve into their final form.

[Stavros Halkias]

Absolutely.

[Katie Nolan]

And so I don't think it's possible that anyone has escaped being cringy.

[Stavros Halkias]

Yeah.

[Katie Nolan]

And you're looking for it, so you found it.

[Stavros Halkias]

Yeah, exactly.

[Katie Nolan]

I think it's like, good that it's up to you what you. What your limit for what their cringe could be.

[Stavros Halkias]

Yeah.

[Katie Nolan]

Like, I know what would be enough for me to be like, this is not. Oh, interesting, whatever. But I don't know that like, it's.

[Stavros Halkias]

What could dan have posted 15 years ago to completely derail your entire life right now?

[Katie Nolan]

I just feel like. I think if he posted, like, I don't know. I think it. No, I don't know. I wouldn't. I don't think he's it. I mean, he's truly it.

[Stavros Halkias]

There's nothing other perfectly been made for.

[Katie Nolan]

Each other, I do believe.

[Stavros Halkias]

But there is. Yeah. But it's funny, like, because it. What it would be is something that just is not. Dan would have to be lying about who he is.

[Katie Nolan]

Right. It would have to reveal to me that, like, whoa, that's.

[Stavros Halkias]

He's living some weird.

[Katie Nolan]

Making this up. Yeah. Yeah.

[Stavros Halkias]

Like, Dan posts about and he's like, been rich and loves his. His dad is alive and he loves him. You know what I mean? Like, it would have to Be like.

[Katie Nolan]

Him and his dad at a 49ers game.

[Stavros Halkias]

Yeah. Like with Joe Montana.

[Katie Nolan]

Yeah. Everything you told me is wrong.

[Stavros Halkias]

It would have to be something like that. But yeah. So anyway, we've spent enough time on you, our caller here. But you get looking. Stop, stall. And in general, looking in a world. I think it's good advice for everybody. We're like, we live in a world where everything is documented. We can't be looking for man. Right. We cannot be looking for. Go on, ld. What else we got?

[Caller 2]

High stuff and honored guests. Okay, so here's the thing. And Elvis, if possible, could you play this when the guest is a woman so I can get both perspectives?

[Stavros Halkias]

Yes.

[Caller 2]

So whenever I go out, men don't hit on me. At least not in a serious way. Like, I get cat called. But when I make the effort and do my makeup, get all dressed up and go out, men never try to, like, chat me up. Like, I have never gone out and had a guy give me his number. And the thing is, I'm a former Scott kid, okay? So when I was younger, I thought it was just, you know, I was too big to date. But I'm fit now. I dress well, and I know that I'm attractive, as vague as that sounds like, I realized my face shape is literally what celebrities are ruining their faces to achieve with color.

[Stavros Halkias]

Very nice.

[Caller 2]

I go to bars, I go out dancing with friends. I go out alone to art events and coffee shops and even restaurants alone. And men just don't come talk to me. Also, possibly an important note. I dyed my hair red. And I read online that men seem to not approach girls with fun colored hair.

[Stavros Halkias]

Really?

[Caller 2]

Is it a real thing that, like, a woman can be so attractive that men are afraid to approach her?

[Stavros Halkias]

Dial it back a little.

[Katie Nolan]

She can tell me I'm so hot.

[Caller 2]

Are afraid to approach her. And I know this sounds so vain, but I promise I'm not an. Like, I'm very friendly. I'm kind of the life of the party. When we go out, I don't spend all night talking about myself or anything. Like, it's actually been a problem in my life that friends and even strangers love to tell me their whole life story, never ask me any questions.

[Katie Nolan]

So. Yeah.

[Caller 2]

And also, how should a girl approach a guy, like, at a bar or a club without making him think that I just want to sleep with him? Or is that just unavoidable if a girl is making the first move?

[Katie Nolan]

Yeah.

[Stavros Halkias]

Okay. Yeah.

[Caller 2]

This is embarrassing.

[Katie Nolan]

Thank you. Savvy. Bye. Don't be embarrassed but next time, send a pic.

[Stavros Halkias]

Yeah, true.

[Katie Nolan]

Just let us. If you're gonna, if we're gonna talk about your face.

[Stavros Halkias]

If you're gonna talk about how hot you are.

[Katie Nolan]

See that face?

[Stavros Halkias]

Yeah. Like if you're just saying. If she was just saying, like, hey, I'm a pretty good looking, you know, I mean, like, I'm not ugly.

[Katie Nolan]

Built like a sports car.

[Stavros Halkias]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. She's like, Haley Bieber has spent $40,000 to get my cheekbones.

[Katie Nolan]

They bring pictures of my face to their. My first thought until you went into how hot you are because I, I a little bit relate. Is it possible you're giving off a don't talk to me vibe? Because I've learned that might be, I might be guilty of that. Every now and then wearing flat shoes, that's another thing men notice. She's got flat shoes on and hotter friends. So I'm gonna not even try there.

[Stavros Halkias]

Right.

[Katie Nolan]

So it's. That could be possible that you're giving off like, I'm really not the that interested vibe. But I mean, she sounds interested, so that might not be it.

[Stavros Halkias]

Yeah. And especially it's interesting because it doesn't. Who she's describing doesn't like mesh to me where it's like life of the party. Strangers will give me their life story, but men won't approach you.

[Katie Nolan]

Right.

[Stavros Halkias]

Like, if anything who you're describing gets approached too much. So I am confused here. Now she said she was a former fat kid. Is that what you said? Said that might be the answer, unfortunately.

[Katie Nolan]

Talk to me in what way?

[Stavros Halkias]

Someone who. Well, because there is just like if I was in a room with somebody who you give me five people who are like. And they're hot now, I promise you I could pick out. If there was one, I promise you I could pick out who grew up fat. Huh?

[Katie Nolan]

Fat only not ugly in another way.

[Stavros Halkias]

No, no, no.

[Katie Nolan]

Just fat.

[Stavros Halkias]

Fat is different. Maybe ugly in another way. I don't know. I have obviously much more, you know, experience with the plus size community. Yeah, but, but there is like a, A lot of fat guys, when they lose weight, don't ever really fully get their swag going and, and they stay, they sort of stay like kind of fat loser in what they present or how they behave. And especially for men, so much of things are confidence that it's like, yeah, you can look and look. I'm not saying that's obviously going to help you out. Right. If you lose weight and aren't confident you're going to do better than don't lose Weight and don't be confident.

[Katie Nolan]

Right.

[Stavros Halkias]

And I'm wondering if she has a. The cousin of this, which is like a way that a fat person can also get attention is by when she's saying life of the party, whatever. That can also be annoying.

[Katie Nolan]

She ham.

[Stavros Halkias]

You know what I mean? Like, I know, I know plenty of. Again, I was probably the. Like there were times where I was overdoing it. I think I've sort of figured it out and corrected for it. But there was definitely times I was like trying to overcompensate and like prove.

[Katie Nolan]

Your worth to the group. Yeah, yeah.

[Stavros Halkias]

When was probably annoying. Whatever. I also unfortunately live in a more misogynistic society. So a girl who has the same qualities as a fat like the fat party animal guy. There's no equivalent archetype for that for a woman. Which is unfair, but is how society works works. And, and in fact they'll. You'll get like labeled as a fat annoying bitch if you act that way. You know what I mean? Which is again unfair. My only think with all the information I'm getting is like, are you do. Do you give off some of that kind of annoying like, vibe? I don't know. But even then, I mean, maybe that's it. Maybe you sort of still have the like, you know, maybe people maybe you're overwhelming in. In multiple ways. Right, right. The hot thing plus that vibe could make you like just. They just don't know what to make of you necessarily.

[Katie Nolan]

They don't know what box to put.

[Stavros Halkias]

They don't. Yeah, exactly. Because like, because. And I have heard from like, you know, hot friends have said like, I get approached less than my friends who are attractive but slightly less hot than me. Right. So if like, if we're to take.

[Katie Nolan]

You and what you're saying and no.

[Stavros Halkias]

Disrespect, but I'm just skeptical of anyone who over who rates themselves this high but sound hot. You sound hot and I have a hot voice and I believe that it is possible now maybe, maybe face shape celebrities, you know, you might overdid it a little bit. Maybe you took a little poetic license.

[Katie Nolan]

Buckle fat.

[Stavros Halkias]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. But we're not saying you're not hot. But I'm saying like, if this is the. That's kind of all I can come up with. Right. Is that there is. It's. It's almost like dazzle camouflage where it's so much. Because you're, you're outgoing, you're like, you know, life of the party, loud, have this red hair, you know, have this like outgoing, like hairstyle. Have like our hot. Whatever. Maybe it is a little. I don't know. That's the only thing I can possibly come up with here.

[Katie Nolan]

Or that you have in your mind an idea of how not fat. When you were fat before, you were picturing how other people were moving through society. Picturing that like guys were just hitting on girls and girls. And then once you got here, you sort of realize that like it's still sort of like this. Like it's not. Being a hot isn't what it looks like in the movies.

[Stavros Halkias]

Maybe.

[Katie Nolan]

So this is a little bit of like correcting your expectations.

[Stavros Halkias]

That's possible for sure.

[Katie Nolan]

Or I guess it's also. I think you should care less about the attention is usually the best way to. To get it. If you're this smoking hottie.

[Stavros Halkias]

Yeah.

[Katie Nolan]

Then just like go out and enjoy yourself.

[Stavros Halkias]

Yeah.

[Katie Nolan]

And then you're. Why complain about men not approaching you? I guess especially.

[Stavros Halkias]

That's a great point.

[Katie Nolan]

What a blessing.

[Stavros Halkias]

Yeah, that's a great. That's another great point. It's like, look, this might not be the way you find a partner.

[Katie Nolan]

Right.

[Stavros Halkias]

Like you're also like. She's also made it clear she doesn't want to just. Right. And so if you're looking for something a little deeper than this, maybe you're not. Yeah. I mean, I'm sure you have friends who complain about it. Like you're saying, like, what a blessing that is is you might just have to find. Meet people romantically in a different way. Meet them in a. Cuz if a girl makes the first move at a bar. Yes. They might think, oh, she's trying to. But if a girl makes the first move at the library or you know, like outside of a movie theater or in a coffee shop or something, if you. Or at a park, if you make it in a more sort of like less charged kind of implicitly sexual environment that the club or a bar in is, then they might be like, oh, I met a nice girl, I want to go out, you know, and then get drinks or something. So it's hard to find. You're throwing a lot of information and this is sort of the best we can do here. But you know, I don't, for example, I don't really like meet a lot of people in random bars or even when like. Or clubs or anything like that. That was never my thing.

[Katie Nolan]

Yeah.

[Stavros Halkias]

Because you can't really talk in those situations.

[Katie Nolan]

It was just a lot of yelling.

[Stavros Halkias]

And if you're somebody who like likes to make Conversations like has made women like you by being funny and fun. That's hard when the music's loud. So that was never my thing. It would always be at a more quiet place. I would meet or be a friend of a friend or like, you know. So that just might not be where you or make or make a long term relationship eventually. If she eventually wants to these guys, she doesn't want to them the first night.

[Katie Nolan]

Just don't let it affect your confidence. You sound like you know exactly who you are and how beautiful you are. And if they're not approaching you, then okay that then they're not up to your standard. Yeah, I think don't chew worry about their opinions of you. Don't change.

[Stavros Halkias]

I agree. I think, I think. Yes. Don't bend to the. Because like at the end of the day why do you want to do that? Who gives a.

[Katie Nolan]

And you're going to spend the rest of your life bending and you're going to be very annoyed. Cuz you are this hot chick with fiery red hair.

[Stavros Halkias]

Yeah, sounds cool. I personally love dumb hair. I think it's cool. I like it like bubblegum pig. You know what I mean? I like dumb shit like that. Yeah, but you know, I'm not your average Joe, I suppose.

[Katie Nolan]

That's so true.

[Stavros Halkias]

Interesting. Well, good luck, pal. Okay.

[Katie Nolan]

Give me one of the crazy ones. Don't we have a crazy one? You guys always get wild.

[Stavros Halkias]

We'll get wild ones. Eldis.

[Caller 3]

Hey Savvy. Love the show. Love Elvis. Just wanted to call and get a male's perspective about situation. Situation I found myself in.

[Stavros Halkias]

Okay.

[Caller 3]

I'm seeing this new guy and he recently revealed to me that he lives with his ex girlfriend. Like on our first date I asked if he had a roommate and he was like, yeah, I have a roommate. And like in my head I was thinking like is it your ex girlfriend? And then he was like, it's my girlfriend. And it's like for me like I'm pretty poly and like doing this like relationship anarchy thing. So I don't really like, I'm not like jealous that he lives with a sexual friend, but it does kind of spark some interesting like independent man.

[Caller 1]

You know what I mean?

[Caller 3]

Like it just doesn't feel like he's a very independent man. He said that he's been living with her for like two and a half years or they've been broken up for two and a half years. They've moved together one time since.

[Stavros Halkias]

I just think it's like really they are roommates now. Wait Us, there's no way.

[Katie Nolan]

Wait a sec.

[Stavros Halkias]

They don't occasionally fuck. I mean, I guess she doesn't care.

[Katie Nolan]

They entered into a new lease.

[Stavros Halkias]

That's lunacy.

[Katie Nolan]

No way.

[Stavros Halkias]

That's one of the fucking craziest things I've ever heard in my fucking life. All right, keep going. All this what the fuck time since.

[Caller 3]

The breakup, which I just think is like really I don't know.

[Katie Nolan]

And so I was like kind of.

[Caller 3]

You know, inquiring about his place and you know, I asked him like how much he pays and he says he pays like 1250. So in the area that we live in, like you could definitely like get a studio apartment for like that price for sure.

[Stavros Halkias]

Like I pay like 1100. That's crazy.

[Caller 3]

So yeah, basically I just want to know what some male perspective could be.

[Stavros Halkias]

I don't even think. Pause this. I don't even think you need a male perspective. I just need. Think you need anyone but use perspective.

[Katie Nolan]

Anyone outside of it almost feels like the poly community. I feel so good at being open minded and not going like, well yeah.

[Stavros Halkias]

The incredible rationalization.

[Katie Nolan]

Well, and it's.

[Stavros Halkias]

It's just that they, they got a.

[Katie Nolan]

New lease in a new apartment. It's like, yes, this is all screaming to me. Totally not cool.

[Stavros Halkias]

Yeah, even the pot. Look, look, whatever the pol. The saying you're Polish so you don't care. It's like first of all, it's not like he just had. He has a girlfriend. You're like, this is X. That's different than somebody. He might even have random sex. Like it's just a bizarre move. This is fucking crazy. And even if you. Because like it's like probably people aren't jealous, they're just like. Understand that like.

[Katie Nolan]

Right.

[Stavros Halkias]

If the, you know, whatever. We've agreed to certain things. This is not part of that agreement in any way. It's a weird fucked up situation. Yes, that is bizarre.

[Katie Nolan]

Yes.

[Stavros Halkias]

Now if they were like, like are there people? I guess. Should we let her finish? Yeah, yeah, let her finish.

[Caller 3]

That's the male perspective could be on that. I asked him about, you know, like does he like the company? Like, you know what I mean? He's kind of indifferent to even having a roommate in general. And her dog is like viciously annoying. Like we were at his place like making out on the couch and the dog kept like trying to. The ex girlfriend's dog kept trying to of like bitey and this was like kind of ridiculous. So we went into his room cuz I was like, dude, I'm done.

[Stavros Halkias]

With this.

[Caller 3]

And then the dog just stood out the door outside of his door and barked the entire.

[Stavros Halkias]

Dude.

[Katie Nolan]

That's so chance I could come in that situation.

[Stavros Halkias]

Yeah, I mean, that's insane.

[Caller 4]

Why do you want to live here?

[Stavros Halkias]

But you're right.

[Caller 3]

Anyways, that's my question. I hope I make it on the show. Okay.

[Stavros Halkias]

You definitely made it too.

[Katie Nolan]

Understanding and sweet.

[Stavros Halkias]

Yeah. I mean, this is insane.

[Katie Nolan]

This is wild. You've got a shitty dog that doesn't need to be in the picture at all.

[Stavros Halkias]

Not at all.

[Katie Nolan]

It's an ex girlfriend's dog. Also, you can't really X someone until you are forced apart from each other.

[Stavros Halkias]

Yeah, that's a good point.

[Katie Nolan]

You can't really grow from the relationship if you just stayed in it but started having sex outside of it.

[Stavros Halkias]

Right, right, right.

[Katie Nolan]

You should in no way have to go to this guy's ex girlfriend's place of living currently in order to have sex with this guy.

[Stavros Halkias]

No, you're so right. The fact that there was never a break from living together.

[Katie Nolan]

Right.

[Stavros Halkias]

Like, even if you don't fuck, there are weird relationship intimacy aspects where it's like you can't immediately become just roommates.

[Katie Nolan]

Right.

[Stavros Halkias]

It's one again. I think the point I was going to make earlier was like, are there exes that become legitimate platonic friends? Yes, sure, that happens. Right?

[Katie Nolan]

Time.

[Stavros Halkias]

But you need time. Or maybe one of them's gay. Like, the only way this is acceptable is if she came out as a lesbian. Like, truly, I, I legitimately think that.

[Katie Nolan]

Like, because, like, is he making her meals? Are they watching when neither of them have plans, Are they sitting on the couch and like watching a show together? Like, that's too much with an ex.

[Stavros Halkias]

The only way I could even sort of see this is not weird in the way we're thinking of it is if this guy is so indifferent and like absent minded. Sleep at the wheel and sleep at the. Like, I have friends who are like so stupid. There's like, oh, okay, I'll do that. Like, if he's one of those guys who has zero going on in his.

[Katie Nolan]

Brain, so get out anyway and.

[Stavros Halkias]

Exactly.

[Katie Nolan]

It's like.

[Stavros Halkias]

And if he's the kind of guy that doesn't find this, doesn't see why this is weird. Yeah, that's also up. He's like a complete dullard and you don't want to be so. Yes. This is bizarre. Male perspective, Female. Any perspective. This is weird as. And I don't know, like, find out.

[Katie Nolan]

If she's doing his chores for him. That Feels important.

[Stavros Halkias]

Like do they. I mean they.

[Eldis]

I wonder, I wonder if it's possible that you know, they were poly maybe like the boundaries of the relationship were so like, you know, dissolved or hazy when they were in the polycule that.

[Stavros Halkias]

They kind of became roommates.

[Eldis]

Like extended to the way gay post.

[Stavros Halkias]

Relationship life the way old gay dudes eventually just become roommates. Cuz they just a 100 other guys, they have like an open relationship and they're like, oh, it's my room.

[Katie Nolan]

Like, is he Polly or is she Polly?

[Stavros Halkias]

Oh, true, true. We don't know.

[Katie Nolan]

But also I don't know that I don't know much about that community. So I don't know if it's like if she says she's poly.

[Stavros Halkias]

No, no, it's not like that. I don't. He's not automatically like that. I mean, we don't know, right?

[Katie Nolan]

We don't know.

[Stavros Halkias]

I guess we. You can suppose that the kind of googling relationship anarchy.

[Katie Nolan]

Anarchy for sure.

[Stavros Halkias]

Yeah.

[Katie Nolan]

Sounds like a thing that somebody learned on a podcast.

[Stavros Halkias]

Yeah. If I had to guess, relationship anarchy just means like there's no order. There's no like you don't rank your partners. It's like just. It's pretty much like free love, I suppose. But anyway, this is up and weird any way you slice it. And. And because even our friend here is calling in, she's even saying it's not the sex, she doesn't have the sexual hang up. So you're right, he's fucking weird to do this. Anyone who would agree to do do this is weird in some way. And I don't have a read of the situation that's charitable to your boyfriend. Yeah, I can't right now. I'm struggling to find a way where I'm like this dude is not weird.

[Katie Nolan]

Yeah, I can't. I'm being less charitable, but I too can't find it. Yeah, I just feel like if I got in a fight with my boyfriend and I knew he was at home with his ex, I would just constantly be like, is he going right this. She doesn't do it like totally just bang. And I don't know.

[Stavros Halkias]

Well that's another thing. If you live. You're around your ex for long enough, you're probably gonna.

[Katie Nolan]

You've done it before. If you want it, it, you can. I don't know, it just feels like a recipe for disaster. And it's like, right.

[Stavros Halkias]

Nothing good can come.

[Katie Nolan]

I don't want to tell you to get out of something. If you're fully in love with this guy. I think you can be a regular guy maybe, and have found yourself in this situation, but it does feel like the point about independence stands out to me. It's like, you don't want a guy who is this lazy about his living.

[Stavros Halkias]

Living situation who's so about inert. Like, clearly inertia is the strongest force in this man's life.

[Katie Nolan]

I mean, maybe he's incredibly powerful and successful, business wise and just. That's his person.

[Stavros Halkias]

Let me stop you right there.

[Katie Nolan]

All completely to. But this is a new level of like, you need to grow up and get your own place. This is. I usually hate when people say that to somebody with roommates. If it's like. Or get a different roommate. Right. It's like you just get a different roommate. Shame you for having a roommate. It's the fact that it's a girl you used to regularly have sex with.

[Stavros Halkias]

Yeah. Who you broke up with two and a half years ago.

[Katie Nolan]

This dog is very territorial.

[Stavros Halkias]

Yeah. By the way, the. The dog is enough of a reason to move out.

[Katie Nolan]

Like, they're. They're.

[Stavros Halkias]

All right. That's. You wanted crazy. We kind of. That was Elvis. That was all this warming up. You have. You have a couple more to throw at our friend Katie here. Eldis.

[Katie Nolan]

Let's hear him.

[Eldis]

Yeah, here's another kind of crazy one.

[Caller 4]

Hey, it's. So basically I was just chilling the other day and my girl's like, yo, somebody just sent me a naked picture of you and a girl on Instagram. And I'm like, what? Because, you know, I'm not cheating. So she's like, yeah, they sent it and then they deleted it, like, right away. And I was like, okay. Apparently there was like a long ass paragraph that went with it. And I was like, all right, so what was like, can you tell me anything about, like, what it looked like?

[Katie Nolan]

Or like, like what was like, what.

[Stavros Halkias]

Could you say, yeah, babe, that dick is way too big to be mine.

[Caller 4]

You know that on the information I got, I figured out this was a girl that I dated kind of off and on back in the day. A crazy ass. So, yeah, man. Basically, I guess she, like, sent like a screenshot of a sex tape to my girl, like, on Instagram from, like a different account. And like, that's tough, you know? I mean, that's weird. So I don't know, like, should I. Like, because like, on the one hand, like, you know, the issue of like, damn, there's like news floating around.

[Katie Nolan]

I kind of didn't know she had.

[Caller 4]

This, like, I've deleted everything on my end. So like, you know, long since. So like, I don't like that's kind of concerning that she would just like send that out there. Yeah, I get whatever, I guess. But like, you know, I think, you know, calm down my girl and everything. So, you know, I talked to her and I was like, yo, like, this is gonna say. It's like, this is crazy. Like, yada yada. She's super cool about it. I have my freaking, like, sister come in who knows us both and like, calm her down. But anyway, so yeah, long story short, whatever. So what do I do? Do I go to this crazy ex about this and be like, yo, like.

[Stavros Halkias]

Exactly what she wants my news around or whatever.

[Caller 4]

Or like, do I just let it go? I'm tempted to let it go because I feel like talking to her about it will lonely just like give her what she wants. But whatever. Give me your thoughts, dog.

[Stavros Halkias]

Yeah.

[Katie Nolan]

So is he saying that he didn't know she had a sex tape in sense of they both had it and they. He thought they deleted it or he didn't know she recorded it.

[Stavros Halkias]

I'm guessing he thinks it was deleted, but could be the other one as well.

[Katie Nolan]

You know, I will say if it's the other one, you. If you wanted to, you could call the probably cops on that. That's. They're not allowed to do that.

[Eldis]

Yeah, they won't do.

[Stavros Halkias]

But yeah, yeah, yeah, the police. The police are really going to be.

[Katie Nolan]

Certainly send it over and we can take a look at it.

[Stavros Halkias]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Do you have ones where you're not as prominently featured? It's kind of her.

[Katie Nolan]

You see your kids more, they're like, can you guys do a POV one.

[Stavros Halkias]

Just for me Now? Were you ever wearing a maybe a police officer officer's uniform in any of these pornographies? Could you send that one over?

[Eldis]

You do, you do got to commend this guy because it sounds like he kept it so cool and collected when his girl came at him and he was just, you know, she's probably freaking out. He's just like, well, what did it say? What was the contents of this image?

[Stavros Halkias]

And like, I'm of two minds here, right? One, I'd like to say this is a good guy who something weird happened to him. Two, this is a liar who's using our show as a way to put on record. He's like, babe, look, I. Even when I was talking to the podcast about it.

[Katie Nolan]

You think I'd launder my image Through Stavros's podcast, I really.

[Stavros Halkias]

Feel like we do get some calls that are someone trying to go on the record in a third way.

[Katie Nolan]

I've watched clips and gone that. Guys, yeah, this is evidence, but I.

[Stavros Halkias]

Don'T think this is that. I do. I agree with you. I. This. This is kind of the way to handle something. This. You're like, I know I'm not doing anything wrong.

[Katie Nolan]

Yeah.

[Stavros Halkias]

So can we please, together get to the bottom of what is going on here now? It's also, unfortunately, a great tactic to Gaslight, but I do take him at his word, and hopefully his sister is a good person, not someone who would just aid in a. In a. I don't think that's a.

[Katie Nolan]

Family of those sisters.

[Stavros Halkias]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Katie Nolan]

My brother never does anything wrong. He's an angel. So, I mean. But what was the ex trying to even say? Like, what's the. Why delete it? That I don't get. Why'd she delete the message right after she sent it to her? What's the.

[Stavros Halkias]

I don't.

[Katie Nolan]

What's the. I feel like. I feel like information's being left out.

[Stavros Halkias]

I mean, I guess if we're gonna again, take him at his word, that is. This is somebody who's just kind of maliciously doing this to. With his. To. With him. And look, he's. She might be this person. You know, he called her a crazy. Whatever. He also. We don't know the level of how it ended.

[Katie Nolan]

Right.

[Stavros Halkias]

He said he cut her off. It was on again. Off again.

[Katie Nolan]

Yeah.

[Stavros Halkias]

There's certainly relationships that in your mind, you handled a lot better than you actually did in reality. So this. This is probably a mix of he mistreated her a bit, but not enough to warrant doing something like this.

[Katie Nolan]

Right.

[Stavros Halkias]

This is kind of like somebody is.

[Katie Nolan]

You know, years later.

[Stavros Halkias]

This is years later, it sounds like.

[Katie Nolan]

I mean, what's the point?

[Stavros Halkias]

I mean, you know, who knows? Right. And that's. And the delete. Why did she delete it? Maybe because, you know, she didn't want the evidence or the scrutiny for him to be like, oh, this is from.

[Katie Nolan]

Yeah, as you can see, I didn't have my tattoo yet.

[Stavros Halkias]

Clearly, I hadn't done my cover up. I hadn't done my cover up yet.

[Katie Nolan]

Yeah. I think the. If. If we are taking you at your word, definitely don't reach out. Definitely, definitely don't reach out.

[Stavros Halkias]

Potentially, block, like, this is the kind of thing where you don't reach out to the person directly ever.

[Katie Nolan]

Ever.

[Stavros Halkias]

And if it continues to be a problem you go to a lawyer, you don't ever try and handle this with somebody who, if we're talking about somebody who's potentially leaking new, like doing this is revenge porn essentially. And like, you do not deal with them at all. Especially if it's somebody who clearly wants some kind of reaction is trying to your up. So yeah, dude, don't reach out. Don't reach out. And if it keeps going on, that's when you consider a lawyer or I guess the police, even though they're not obviously going to do anything about it. But yeah, lawyer is your better bet in that circumstance. Don't you? Do not reach out to this person. Wild move.

[Katie Nolan]

Ever again.

[Stavros Halkias]

No, certainly not.

[Caller 5]

Eldis D Guest what up, G. Ravens, baby, let's go. The cheese. The Bengal.

[Stavros Halkias]

You're right about all that.

[Caller 5]

My mother in law wants me to call her mom. I think that's a little bit weird, quite frankly. I. The first time I ever met my mother in law, I said, I looked at her, I was like, oh, if my wife will. If the girl I'm dating looks like you in 50 years, I'm stoked.

[Stavros Halkias]

So I'm not saying like wants to fuck his mother. It.

[Katie Nolan]

That's. That's what we're running into.

[Stavros Halkias]

He's basically like, this is too directly Freudian for me to call. To call an older woman. I want to mom.

[Katie Nolan]

I don't want to close the door just in case something happens to my wife.

[Stavros Halkias]

Oh, that's awesome. Respect for giving us that first. It was weird already. You didn't have to let us know that you kind of want to this lady.

[Katie Nolan]

I'm stoked.

[Stavros Halkias]

I'm stoked. All right, what else we got?

[Caller 5]

So I'm not saying like I have sexual feelings or anything, but like.

[Katie Nolan]

Right. We get you.

[Caller 5]

I don't know. So, yeah, I don't know. It's weird. But like, basically I'm under some pressure to call her mom. She wants me to say it, but.

[Stavros Halkias]

Like, that's weird too.

[Caller 5]

My mom's also still alive as well. And I don't know. I'm in my.

[Stavros Halkias]

I mean, it wouldn't be. Hold on, 33. And it wouldn't be less weird if your mom was dead. He's like, well, my mom's still alive, so I don't need a replacement.

[Katie Nolan]

Calling someone mom. I can't.

[Stavros Halkias]

I can't do it until my mom's in the dirt. Yeah, like that's you thinking that's weird. There's a lot going on until my mom dies. Look, Barbara, when My mom dies and you get a little less sexy. Hopefully it's in eight years, you know, you've let yourself go a little bit. Maybe we can think about it.

[Caller 5]

33. And I just think it's kind of weird.

[Stavros Halkias]

Okay, it is.

[Caller 5]

But also like, my wife's not exactly going to bat for me on this one. And like not being like, yo, mom, that's strange. I'm just like, like, it's a little odd for me personally. I love some context here.

[Stavros Halkias]

I don't know, context.

[Caller 5]

Most people I talk to are just like, this is odd. Love an expert.

[Eldis]

Love you guys.

[Stavros Halkias]

Exactly. An expert on this.

[Caller 5]

The Yankees.

[Katie Nolan]

Wait, the Yankees.

[Stavros Halkias]

You're right. You said the phrase that unites the whole podcast. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Katie Nolan]

I'm going to call him Mom.

[Stavros Halkias]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. From Baltimore.

[Katie Nolan]

What if you tried out like a moment Ma? Because I know my dad calls my. I'm like thinking about my dad calls my. Or called. Rest in peace. My mom's mom. Ma.

[Stavros Halkias]

Yeah.

[Katie Nolan]

Cuz it's, you know, you're not going to say like Matilda, you know, Ma.

[Stavros Halkias]

I mean, that's so. What?

[Katie Nolan]

Like once you've been married for a while, I think it's normal. But I guess maybe he's just saying it's too early. The insistence upon it is.

[Stavros Halkias]

The insistence is really strong change.

[Katie Nolan]

It's like, okay, she said that to me twice and then we'd get past it. But if she was like, hey, I need you to call me.

[Stavros Halkias]

Call me Mom. She's gonna come down a low, low cut top.

[Katie Nolan]

Yeah.

[Stavros Halkias]

No bra. You can see her nipples. I call me Mommy's fine. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Start calling her Mommy up. This here's the thing. You gotta fight through this.

[Katie Nolan]

Yeah.

[Stavros Halkias]

Up the stakes. Hey, Mommy, me, mama. I mean, it is. Okay, so let's break this down step by step.

[Katie Nolan]

Yeah.

[Stavros Halkias]

The insistence is very weird.

[Katie Nolan]

Yeah.

[Stavros Halkias]

What do people traditionally do? I don't even know.

[Katie Nolan]

I'm like trying to think through. I feel like I. I know. I mean, Dan and I aren't married yet. He calls my parents by their names. I don't think. I can't picture him. That's what I'm ever calling my dad. Dad. I think that would be wild. Especially because.

[Stavros Halkias]

Yeah. Are you gonna call this guy dad? Yeah, you're gonna call her. You're gonna call her Husb. Okay, mom and Dad.

[Katie Nolan]

I think people do again, once you've been married for a while and this person has been like a mother figure in your life, I guess then I guess you'd call them mom. But early on, I mean what if it's the, the mom, the mother in law trying to. She's picking up that you her and she's trying to establish a boundary. Call me mother.

[Stavros Halkias]

Or maybe she's moving or maybe she's moving the ball forward a little bit.

[Katie Nolan]

We need to know if in the picture up for us.

[Stavros Halkias]

Yeah, I do find it weird. Here's where I, what I think is the weirdest aspect of all this, why your wife doesn't have your back here. Right. If you tell your wife like honestly it's a little weird for me. I can't see myself being the kind of guy that calls my mother in law mom. Can you talk to your mom about this or can we kind of like can you, can you kind of give me a little, you know, advice on how you think I should, you know, your mom like what's your, what's his wife's vibe vibe on this?

[Katie Nolan]

Right.

[Stavros Halkias]

That's the part that's confusing me the most. Right. Because an inflexible mother in law, unfortunately, it's an archetype but it's also an archetype for the. For a reason. Right.

[Katie Nolan]

Quite a bit.

[Stavros Halkias]

There's often in, in laws, it's a reason why it's like the most across all cultures. You wanna, you wanna safe target. Yeah. Pick in laws if you don't want to be racist or homophobic. Right. Like if you don't want to just go to that. If you don't want, if you want to be offensive, you want to just be, you know, something that can be on network TV that'll play in every country across the world. In laws is who you make fun of for stuff like this. They have weird little hang ups that you don't want to do but you have to put up with them because they're your, you know, spouse's parents. I do find it strange your wife does not have your back here or at least isn't kind of like ma.

[Katie Nolan]

Lay off of him.

[Stavros Halkias]

Yeah.

[Katie Nolan]

Like call you mom when he's ready.

[Stavros Halkias]

Yeah, yeah.

[Katie Nolan]

He's going to be around for the rest of our lives hopefully.

[Stavros Halkias]

Yeah.

[Katie Nolan]

I, I would just try to say like, hey, I'm going to call you mom. Something about it for me, I'm not really like there yet. Would it be okay if I get there on my own time? Yeah, that's what I would say.

[Stavros Halkias]

And then she's like, how, what would it take to get you on that?

[Katie Nolan]

Show me those tips and I'll start calling.

[Stavros Halkias]

She starts Counting you down. She's like, what about in 10, nine? He's like oh, oh, stop counting.

[Katie Nolan]

Go.

[Stavros Halkias]

I have to go. Yeah. I don't know man, this is strange. But I agree. I think Katie, I, I, I, I, we just don't know enough about these people. Right.

[Eldis]

Like, like I do like Katie's ma idea. Like do they have a motherly nickname for her within the family that you can sort of like adopt? Cuz mom is like too specific.

[Stavros Halkias]

Mom is up, dude.

[Eldis]

Yeah. Is there a ma, Is there like a, I don't know like, or even like any nickname they might have?

[Stavros Halkias]

Yeah, yeah.

[Eldis]

I think that's a nice little compromise.

[Stavros Halkias]

Families often have like family nicknames. You know my grandma, we, we would call her Hyuna. That was like her like, it was like her nickname in her family growing up because she, she was very pale and it means snow.

[Katie Nolan]

Whoa.

[Stavros Halkias]

And so they're you know, like she basically.

[Katie Nolan]

And your grandmother did inform her.

[Stavros Halkias]

Yeah, she was big in the white reggae community. But yeah, some kind of middle ground, some kind of family thing that you know, connotes closeness but isn't like doesn't have the loaded in every direction. Mom is, you know, Mom, Mommy, dad, Daddy. Those are loaded terms in, in psycho, psychologically in many ways. And I would stay away from it.

[Katie Nolan]

If you're really socially adept, I feel like you could even introduce a fun new nickname for her. Her that she loves. That then replaces in her mind the need for you to call her mom. So you could just be like, hey, Big G. And she'd be like, oh, it's great. And then that turns out and then the whole thing goes away. It never comes up again.

[Stavros Halkias]

Yeah, it is. I think, I think that's a great one. But that is a high, that's a high like level maneuver.

[Katie Nolan]

Yes. You would have to really make it not obvious you were trying to replace the mom thing. She can't catch on.

[Stavros Halkias]

Yeah.

[Katie Nolan]

But it's just gonna happen naturally. Feel organic and it's gotta catch fire. It's got to be a good nickname.

[Stavros Halkias]

Yeah, absolutely.

[Katie Nolan]

So that's what I would try.

[Stavros Halkias]

That's tough though, what you're describing.

[Katie Nolan]

Only for the high level.

[Stavros Halkias]

Yeah. So you know, good luck. I don't think he has that in him, unfortunately. Just from the a minute 35.

[Katie Nolan]

He did say, he did say the Yankees got a good head on his shoulder.

[Stavros Halkias]

That is some good common ground on this.

[Katie Nolan]

And who doesn't want to their mother in law just a little bit just to see how it feels.

[Stavros Halkias]

Well, that's honestly the Thing I'm thinking of is. Was like, what is her vibe? Because that also is another archetype. Is the kind of milfy sort of seem like the weirdest woman in the world to me, is the one who seems to have a competition with her daughter.

[Katie Nolan]

It's a lot of.

[Stavros Halkias]

And that's a lot of women. That's a crazy. A lot amount of people where it's like they're sort of trying to cuck their. Like, is that what's going on here?

[Katie Nolan]

When she insists you call her mom, is she touching you physically?

[Stavros Halkias]

Yeah.

[Katie Nolan]

That to me, is the tell. She's like, hey, call me.

[Stavros Halkias]

Yeah, yeah. The little thumb waggle. She gives you a thumb waggle. That's too much.

[Katie Nolan]

She's insisting.

[Stavros Halkias]

But is. Or is she doing it from a. Now if she's doing it from a.

[Katie Nolan]

Call me mom, she's doing it from.

[Stavros Halkias]

A purely sort of like, almost grandmotherly perspective, then that's the only way I would consider folding. Right. If she's. So if you. But we already know that's not the case because he wants to her. So never mind. Never mind. Just figure this out. Try the nickname.

[Katie Nolan]

Give her a nickname. Or just Ma.

[Stavros Halkias]

Ma.

[Katie Nolan]

Try Mother. And that'll just put her off to it.

[Stavros Halkias]

Yeah, Mother, Mother, Mother.

[Katie Nolan]

She's gonna hate that. So that's.

[Stavros Halkias]

And again, what's going on with you? That's another thing I would wonder is, like, what's up with your. What's up with your wife?

[Katie Nolan]

Why isn't she on your side?

[Stavros Halkias]

You're gonna come up with stuff that's more serious than this.

[Katie Nolan]

Yeah.

[Stavros Halkias]

Even within the family. And if she can't kind of. If you guys can't be a united front on Call Me mom, what happens when there's some weird, like, you know, like, legal battle within the family? What? You know what I mean? Like some kind of inheritance squabble. You know what I mean? Like, who knows? Whatever. I hope it doesn't happen. But something to consider.

[Katie Nolan]

Also very common.

[Stavros Halkias]

Yeah. Happens. Unfortunately, you got something fun for us to go out on here, little ld.

[Caller 5]

Hey, Stavi, baby.

[Katie Nolan]

Hey.

[Caller 5]

Big fan. Loved your show in Portland when you came out here in March. Anyways, listen, man. And with the baseball season going on, I, like, was born and raised a Mariners fan, but, you know, like, they suck. So I. I decided, like, this year I was gonna break up with them. Like, like, it's a toxic relationship and start rooting for the Orioles, man. So I became an O's fan this season.

[Katie Nolan]

But now.

[Stavros Halkias]

That's crazy.

[Katie Nolan]

He's just saying it like it's normal. Like we're gonna put breeze past the. Like, they suck. So I broke up with them. Orioles fan. Now here's my question. It's like, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. How'd you pick the Orioles?

[Stavros Halkias]

Yeah.

[Katie Nolan]

I mean, look at a weird choice if you're trying to get out of.

[Stavros Halkias]

Toxicity, I guess in a weird way, because you don't. What you don't want to do is do the classic I'm a Yankee, Red Sox, whatever fan now. Like, I'm not. I'm like a. I'm like a big, historically successful. Like, you don't want to be the guy who's like, you break up with your small market team and you're like, I root for the Lakers now.

[Katie Nolan]

I love the Chiefs.

[Stavros Halkias]

Yeah, exactly. Right. So I guess I could. Now this is just a man who doesn't know his history, though, because the Orioles have had a couple good seasons. We've choked in the playoffs both times. And I guess you could be like, okay, there. Which. There's a world where you could be like, they're a young team that was getting it together. They got. They've been embarrassed a couple times. They're going to come roaring back. Yeah, I'm going to be on the ground. Ground floor of this thing. That's the only. And they're not. You know, they haven't won in forever. You know, fun city. What? You know, fun ballpark. I want to go to Camden Yards. Whatever the. Maybe that's how he came to it.

[Katie Nolan]

But brother, I need to know where he is geographically.

[Stavros Halkias]

Yeah, true, true, true.

[Katie Nolan]

Cuz what a weird choice. You can barely. It's going to be a huge trip to get out to a game for your team unless they're in Portland, so. Huh.

[Stavros Halkias]

That's bizarre. You didn't think maybe the teams in their, like, division. He hates too much.

[Katie Nolan]

Sure, sure.

[Stavros Halkias]

So maybe like anything on the west coast kind of was like, sure couldn't do. But we don't need to. We can bleep. Well, it doesn't matter. We don't even know that. That's just for. Anyway, whatever. Elders is just stupid. So anyway.

[Caller 5]

Yeah, they suck.

[Stavros Halkias]

Yeah.

[Caller 5]

I don't know what that's about. And it's really, really hurting. And I'm wondering, like, how do I go back to being like, oh, maybe a Mariners fan? Or like, do what? I don't know. It just doesn't feel right being an O's fan right now. Oh, like they suck.

[Katie Nolan]

There goes your theory about getting into the ground Level.

[Caller 5]

I don't know.

[Stavros Halkias]

I think that's what he was doing, though. He's mad that he has season and.

[Caller 5]

Stay nose fan one season. Break my heart. Because they break your heart.

[Stavros Halkias]

First of all, shut this off.

[Katie Nolan]

Let me know this year he decided year he broke up with the marriage.

[Stavros Halkias]

How fucking dare you.

[Katie Nolan]

Dude, we aren't even through to. We're not even at the All Star, right?

[Stavros Halkias]

Yeah, they could still turn around, by the way. You fucking asshole.

[Katie Nolan]

This is the thing that people always forget about baseball, is you try to get back into baseball and you take it way too seriously. Way too early.

[Stavros Halkias]

Yeah.

[Katie Nolan]

You don't just go like, dude, we have so much time.

[Stavros Halkias]

People are going to change teams. I still remember 2007, my senior year of high school. The Orioles were leading the AL east at the break and we didn't even make the fucking.

[Katie Nolan]

Yeah. Means absolutely nothing. So you're willing to. Willingness to bail this early to me. Alarms me.

[Stavros Halkias]

Yes.

[Katie Nolan]

Alarms me.

[Stavros Halkias]

You know, so you. What do you mean? Yeah. You barely were in this. Why did you even choose it now? Could you go back to the Mariners? Yes. And. But now you have to stay with the Mariners forever. This is like.

[Katie Nolan]

I like the Mariners, by the way. Fun to root for. They don't. It's not going great, you know, but they're. It's for.

[Stavros Halkias]

I mean, I don't know. I'm a. I'm a very cat. Look, I am a casual bass player baseball fan for sure. Right. Like, I watch. I will throw an O's game on in the background. Yeah.

[Katie Nolan]

That's what it's for, by the way.

[Stavros Halkias]

Baseball's the best background. Like, I don't want it to be completely silent, but I want to, you know, just. I'll catch that. I'll watch highlights when I'm home. I try and go to a game if they're in the playoffs. And I'm. I've been, you know, I've been working, but I was planning this year to go to playoff games. We'll see. But like, you know, I'm that level of fan. Fan. And the thing is, they've been. And I was a big fan when I was a little kid. So like. So there is. There is something in me that when the Orioles start making runs, I pay more attention. And when they win, then, you know, I think it'll happen. It's going to be that much sweeter. And that's the whole thing with the Mariners. Right. Like. And I have. I had a thing. I had something kind of similar to this in Terms of like, you know, when I moved to New York York 10 years ago, Baltimore doesn't have a basketball team.

[Katie Nolan]

Say the Knicks.

[Stavros Halkias]

Kind of like Baltimore doesn't have a basketball.

[Katie Nolan]

But it's not. You didn't just pick out a team on the opposite side of the country.

[Stavros Halkias]

I moved here. I loved, I always loved New York.

[Katie Nolan]

I, I always didn't have a basketball team replacing somebody.

[Stavros Halkias]

Yeah, exactly. So but even for me, it's like, I feel like I've, I've put in already 10 years of being a Knicks for fan. I. I watched Kristaps Porzingis get drafted at an open mic on the Lower east side. I was at the game where he tears his acl. The last game he played as a Knicks fan. As a Knicks member of the Knicks, I was at that one. I watched the first Knicks home playoff win during the COVID season against the Hawks. I went to fucking games. You know, I've been to a lot of them, right. Like, I feel like I've put my time.

[Katie Nolan]

Let's not forget the loss you just saw to the Pacers.

[Stavros Halkias]

The most devastating sporting event I've ever, ever been to in my life that, like, I'm just getting over now. And if we hadn't made that awesome comeback, I would want to blow my brains out. But I feel like I've put in my time and I fully feel like I've, you know, earned being a Knicks fan. Whatever. You're not a Orioles fan at all, dude. You know what I mean? Like, I've sat through the heart. When I was a kid, we had great teams that always got smoked, you know, and then we were just dog. And then, you know, the couple times we flirted with, with the, you know, we lose to the, you know, Machado gets hurt, we lose to Kansas City, and we just haven't ever been back in a real way in the playoffs since. You have been been around for, you know, two months and you're talking about.

[Katie Nolan]

This sucks cold weather baseball. We're not even warm yet.

[Stavros Halkias]

Yeah. What the are you talking about?

[Katie Nolan]

You can't be this mad. You. And here's what I'm going to say. If it said if you asked what you did, what do I do? Do I just just, like, go back to being a Mariners fan? My best advice to you, honestly, is yes, absolutely, get over whatever this was. It was just a little dalliance, like.

[Stavros Halkias]

Cheating on your wife twice.

[Katie Nolan]

You, like, thought about cheating. This is like you were, you're like.

[Stavros Halkias]

What have I done? You were my children and you Hide this. You never. You burn. Whatever. Okay. He hasn't even bought memorable Chance.

[Katie Nolan]

No. Chance.

[Stavros Halkias]

Yes.

[Katie Nolan]

Just. You just go back and forget about this.

[Stavros Halkias]

This.

[Katie Nolan]

Atone for your sins.

[Stavros Halkias]

Atone for your sins.

[Katie Nolan]

Buy New Jersey fully to the Mariners. Yeah. Get a Julio Rodriguez jersey and then get out there. And then when the Mariners win, you're going to laugh to yourself about like, thank God I didn't remember when I was going to jump ship. Cuz how much does that suck? You jump ship, the team wins without you, and you're like, okay, you can't go back.

[Stavros Halkias]

That's the thing.

[Katie Nolan]

Right?

[Stavros Halkias]

You have to realize this, what you're feeling now. Now imagine how much worse it would be if it's four years later, the O's still haven't been good, and the Mariners start putting it together.

[Katie Nolan]

And then all of your, I don't know, friends, if you grew up with friends that were all Mariners fans, are all celebrating how good the Mariners are. And you have to be like, I picked the O's.

[Stavros Halkias]

And then you try and come back and they will never.

[Katie Nolan]

They would never let. I wouldn't. If they let you have weird friends. They're not.

[Stavros Halkias]

If I had a friend like that. If I had an O, like a friend of mine who was like cheering for the like White Socks or some. I mean, another horrible team, obviously, but. But like, whatever. If they. And then the O's got good and they were like, oh, hey guys, you would never let them hear the end of it.

[Katie Nolan]

Do what any sensible baseball fan does, which is you gotta pick an NL team.

[Stavros Halkias]

Yes.

[Katie Nolan]

Have a National League team that you root for. Have a team that you're like, look, this isn't my team. But I heavily with them and that. And when my team's pissing me off, I watch their games instead.

[Stavros Halkias]

I was a. The Mets were that for me as a kid. And it was almost like that's also part of the Knicks thing. Also part of the. Like, I've been in Queens for 10 years. Years. They've all. They were always. I always, you know, you kind of always knew you wanted to move to New York. I did. Anyway, so that was always for me, right. When the Mets were back and then, you know, and it was cool because, I mean, they lost to the Yankees, but when the Mets are in the subway Series, I get to root against New York, the Yankees. It was awesome. So it's like, maybe that's what you want to do. You want to pick something where it's like, who. Who is the. Like, you know, the the. Your biggest rivals like nl, who would they hate the most to be in the World Series and maybe. But you're so right. How do you not have an nl?

[Katie Nolan]

Yeah. You just pick an NL team.

[Stavros Halkias]

That's crazy.

[Katie Nolan]

The win. That's the most generation of us all. I feel like the Braves were very popular in the sense because of tbs. So I know a lot of people have like the Braves are their secondary team.

[Stavros Halkias]

The Cubs run a lot. I feel like. Well, but they were bad.

[Katie Nolan]

But.

[Stavros Halkias]

But the Cubs I feel like were on a lot as well.

[Katie Nolan]

Yeah, you just got to have another team. You just got to have teams you root for. I think. Don't be crazy about your fandom in the sense that you think you can't like another team. Like you can watch as many teams as you want to.

[Stavros Halkias]

Yeah.

[Katie Nolan]

I just don't think. I mean breaking up with your team and then giving up on your new team after a couple weeks, you were so right.

[Stavros Halkias]

It's a dalliance. It's. It's a. You know, you went on. You, you're on the sugar baby website.

[Katie Nolan]

You'Re on Ashley Madison. You made the account.

[Stavros Halkias]

You went on a date. Maybe you guys, your dick rubbed through your jeans. But nothing more has happened. Now you can still turn back.

[Katie Nolan]

Go back.

[Stavros Halkias]

You can still turn back.

[Katie Nolan]

But you're get, you know, give yourself to your marriage.

[Stavros Halkias]

Yes, yes, yes.

[Katie Nolan]

You know, get renewal ceremony it.

[Stavros Halkias]

Fix it, dude.

[Katie Nolan]

Fix it. Cuz your emails got leaked on Ashley Madison and we're all going to see that you were on there. So.

[Stavros Halkias]

Yeah. And we don't want you by the way. You, dude, you're a fan. This guy. We're going to turn around. It's early yet. A lot of talent in this ball club.

[Katie Nolan]

Last place, three game win streak.

[Stavros Halkias]

Last streak. We're getting there. That's all. That's all it'll take. All right, well listen, I think that's going to do it. Katie, thank you so much for being here.

[Katie Nolan]

Thank you for having me. This was so fun.

[Stavros Halkias]

I had a blast. Plug the show. Where else can people see you?

[Katie Nolan]

Oh, casuals. It's twice a week, Tuesdays and Thursdays. Wherever you get your audio podcast. We're not on YouTube yet. Please don't scream at me. It's through series XM moment. I know, I know. The editing of the video. We don't have enough people. Serious is an audio company and I'm in this partnership with them for a little bit.

[Stavros Halkias]

Yeah.

[Katie Nolan]

So I would like it to focus on their. All their stuff is audio Numbers based.

[Stavros Halkias]

I mean, I also think audio. I mean, video obviously is important, but you guys are doing clips. You're doing the stuff that matters.

[Katie Nolan]

Discoverability. We'll get there. We're not there yet.

[Stavros Halkias]

Yeah, you'll get there. Great show. Very fun.

[Katie Nolan]

Thank you. You don't need serious to listen to it. You get it wherever you get your.

[Stavros Halkias]

Podcasts, a ton of different. You always. You have a really interesting, like, mix of guests where it's not just, you know, it's not just like other sports personalities. It's like, it is athletes, it's comedians. It's just. It's interesting people. So check it out. Great show. I did the first one. You can see me lose my. I'm really sad. We had just lost in the playoffs and it was really. I made it so that Katie can say on her own show.

[Katie Nolan]

Yeah.

[Stavros Halkias]

Thanks to me.

[Katie Nolan]

She said it a hundred times.

[Stavros Halkias]

I mean, I said it all. And I think I said, like, y. You know, Josh Allen can suck my dick. I think I was pretty graphic.

[Katie Nolan]

Yes. Stuff like this did come up. Yes.

[Stavros Halkias]

Which actually, I do like Josh, actually. It's hard to respect him so much because he is good, but doesn't mean.

[Katie Nolan]

He can't suck your dick.

[Stavros Halkias]

He can also still suck my dick. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. The Bills. This is our year, baby. The Ravens are taking it all. Go watch casuals, Listen to casuals, and we will see you next time, guys. Bye. Bye.