#145 - Jordan Jensen

Summary

Podcast Summary: Stavvy's World #145 with Jordan Jensen

Date: September 8, 2025
Host: Stavros Halkias (“Stavi”)
Guest: Jordan Jensen
Notable Topic: Jordan’s Netflix special "Take Me With You"

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Episode Overview

This episode features comedian Jordan Jensen, returning to chat with Stavros Halkias. The pair dive into deeply personal, provocative, and hilarious discussions, covering everything from gender, sexuality, feminism in comedy, societal beauty standards, the overwhelming impact of AI, and the trials of relationships and breakups. Jordan also debuts her new Netflix special “Take Me With You.” True to the podcast’s format, the episode ends with listener calls seeking candid (often riotous) advice.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Touring, Comedy, and Jordan’s Special

• Jordan and Stavi exchange updates about touring Europe, logistical travel mishaps, and the experience of performing in new cities.

  • [01:14] Stavi: “I just want to do my material in as many places as possible to see how it works, you know?”

• Jordan plugs her Netflix special “Take Me With You” and remarks on the pressure of prepping for shows like “Rogan.”

2. Gender, Sexuality & Relatability of Material

• The conversation quickly veers into universal vs. specific topics in stand-up, with Jordan humorously summarizing her set:

  • [02:45] Jordan: “Yeah, I mean, mine is about blood and vagina and cum… Some universal.”

• This banter leads to a satirical and chaotic discussion of gender, trans identity, and label politics, mixing genuine question-posing with classic comic ribbing.

3. Trans Issues, Queerness, and Societal Labels

• The duo discuss what qualifies as queer, shifting gender identities, and the nuances of self-identification.

  • [06:05] Jordan: “If you want to make your son straight, kill his mother because he’ll always want to replace her.”
  • [06:49] Jordan: “I figured out why I’m straight. I got scared straight because I have three moms that love me…”

• Stavi pushes back on Jordan's more provocative stances, underscoring the complexities of identity and sexuality.

4. Feminism, Beauty Standards & Comedy Culture

• The heart of the conversation critiques beauty standards, cosmetic surgery, and the contradictory demands placed on female comics.

  • [09:49] Stavi: “We’re in the lowest part of entertainment… The debris in the little strainer. That’s stand-up comedy.”

• Jordan rails against “cum goblin” aesthetics, the pressure to be hyper-feminine, and laments the rarity of “empowered” women who resist the mainstream bimbo aesthetic.

  • [10:24] Jordan: “Accept it and stop trying to be hot. We’re not supposed to be hot.”

• Debate ensues over whose “fault” this is—women for opting in, or men (and the patriarchy) for establishing the standards.

  • [12:38] Stavi: “It’s really not wholly—this is insane, you think it’s women’s fault just as much?”

• Eventually, they land (sometimes begrudgingly) on the idea of personal agency vs. societal structures, while ribbing each other over who is more “radical.”

5. Generational Change, Aging, and Cultural Influences

• Discussion pivots to Gen Z’s nonconformity, the cyclical panic about aging and attractiveness, and changes in body image and cosmetic trends.
• Stavi: “Every generation thinks their decline will be the weirdest. Aging sucks, but it’s not new.”
• Jordan: “I’m worried about our generation hitting 50 and just having mental breakdowns because they’re not attractive anymore.” [27:26]

6. Relationships, Breakup Cycles, and Personal Growth

• Jordan details a recurring breakup with her ex, resignation about the finality of the split, and her evolving relationship with therapy and attachment.

  • [32:42] Jordan: “Here’s what happens with the cycle. You stay in it for a long time… then eventually it ends.”

• Stavi compares career focus to personal neglect during his own rise, opening up about health improvements and struggle to prioritize dating while on tour.

7. The Rise of AI and Its Societal Consequences

• A lengthy, passionate debate about AI: its ubiquity, pitfalls, potential for harm, and psychological dependency, especially as a substitute for human connection.

  • [44:21] Stavi: “ChatGPT… has taken what community gave us. That is why it’s slid in here—because we have destroyed society.”

• Jordan admits she uses AI for everything from nutrition to relationship prompts, while Stavi warns about exploitation, loneliness, and dystopian futures.

  • [44:43] Jordan: “[ChatGPT] explains things at a fifth-grade level—and that’s sick. Google can’t do that.”

• The conversation deconstructs the blurred lines between helpful tool, synthetic companionship, and commercialized data harvesting.

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Listener Calls & Advice (with Timestamps)

Caller 1: Is My Friend’s Boyfriend a Sociopath for Systematic Dating?

• [54:48] Call about a friend’s boyfriend who “game-showed” his way through 40 women in a Bachelor-style ranking system.
• Stavi and Jordan agree: This is comprehensive, maybe a little clinical, but not a red flag—more common than the caller wants to admit.
  • [57:01] Stavi: “What you’re describing is dating, maybe in a slightly more systematic way.”

Caller 2: Husband’s Emotional Infidelity While High

• [63:22] Married woman discovers husband called and tried to meet up with old flames on a bachelor party trip.
• Both hosts describe this as “keeping it way too twisted” and recommend couples counseling, considering divorce.
  • [66:24] Stavi: “You gotta get out of here.”
  • [68:33] Jordan: “If you want to stay in the marriage… he has to go to S.L.A.A.”

Caller 3: How to (Respectfully) Hit on Female Comics

• [72:37] Male caller asks for advice on expressing romantic interest in female comedians without being a “creepy superfan.”
  • [74:28] Jordan: “If you’re hot, walk up, be like, great set, I’d love to take you out sometime. If you're not hot… shoot a DM.”
• Both hosts stress directness, respect, and understanding the inherent power dynamic.

Caller 4: Strict Catholic Sister Homeschooling Kids Poorly

• [77:23] Caller worries her sister’s homeschooling is making her seven-year-old nephew educationally “feral.”
• Jordan suggests being a source of nonjudgmental love, offering gentle educational support, but recognizing limits.
  • [81:27] Stavi: “Be a source of pure love… When they want to come out of this, they’ll think of you.”

Caller 5: How To Get Comfortable with Boyfriend’s All-Male Friend Group

• [84:05] Caller, nervous about integrating into large, all-male group hangs, seeks advice to feel less like “the girlfriend.”
• Suggestions:
  • Bring her own friends as buffer ([87:03] Stavi: “That was always like, 'yo, nice, dude'”)
  • Show vulnerability, set personal boundaries (Jordan)
  • Play party games as icebreakers (Jordan: “Bring ‘Heads Up’!”)
  • Accept it’s a process—eventual comfort and connections will develop.

Caller 6: Request for Greek Pronunciation & Meaning of “Theodore”

• [92:45] Lighthearted closer: a new mom wants a proper Greek pronunciation and blessing for her son’s name.
  • [94:28] Stavi: “Theodoros. It means gift of God. Theos is God. Theodoros means gift from God. So you can always say…”

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• Jordan on Feminism and Beauty:
  “[Women] need to start aging like Native American chiefs.” [12:00]
  “I want every woman, when they have their period, should have two little red blood stripes. No more hiding it.” [13:26]

• Stavi Summing Up Stand-Up Comedy:
  “We’re in the lowest part of entertainment…after you clean the sink…that’s stand-up comedy.” [09:49]

• On Gender Dynamics: “I figured out why I’m straight. I got scared straight because I have three moms that love me…” [06:49] —Jordan

• On Generational Vanity and Cosmetic Trends:
  “Our whole generation hitting 50 and just having mental breakdowns because they’re not attractive anymore.” [27:26] —Jordan
  “Every generation thinks that. Every generation has their version of aging and declining.” [27:39] —Stavi

• On The Role of AI:
  “The fact that we don’t have [community], that is why ChatGPT slid in. Because we destroyed society.” [44:21] —Stavi
  “Explain string theory at a fifth-grade level, and it does. That’s sick. Google can’t do that.” [44:43] —Jordan

• Advice for Hitting on Female Comics:
  “If you’re hot, walk up…If you’re not, shoot your shot in a DM.” [74:18] —Jordan
  “Just don’t touch!” (re: how to approach someone after a set) [75:32] —Jordan

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Tone & Style

• Language: Bawdy, unapologetic, and irreverently funny—true to the alt-comedy podcast world
• Mood: A blend of vulnerable, argumentative, bantering, and ultimately supportive
• Dynamic: Jordan’s mix of “Kill Tony vocabulary and radical feminism” [14:11] is balanced by Stavi’s Socratic, occasionally exasperated style
• Notable Chemistry: “We agree, but you…throwing anti cancel-culture buzzwords out” [14:11] —Stavi, capturing their playful combativeness

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Final Note

Jordan encourages everyone to watch her Netflix special “Take Me With You,” with both comic and host reflecting on the difficulty and catharsis of making art from personal mess. The episode is a freewheeling, insight-packed hangout, blending earnest advice, messy confessions, and comic philosophy—perfect for listeners craving both laughter and real talk.

Transcript

[Stavi]

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[Jordan Jensen]

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[Stavi]

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[Jordan Jensen]

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[Stavi]

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[Jordan Jensen]

Right now, I'm in Austin.

[Stavi]

You're in Austin.

[Jordan Jensen]

I'm about to do Rogan.

[Stavi]

Wow. Yeah, there you go. I'm in, I'm in England. I'm currently in England. Yep. Can't wait to watch it. It's important. It's awesome. To time travel via podcasting, everyone.

[Jordan Jensen]

You're gonna be in England.

[Stavi]

I'm gonna be in England, yeah. Yeah. I'm going to London. October, huh?

[Jordan Jensen]

Are you just going there? Are you bouncing around?

[Stavi]

I'm doing London, London, Glasgow, Dublin, Manchester.

[Jordan Jensen]

I'm doing flying from each place with.

[Stavi]

I'm gonna take the train. I actually did some, I was doing some my Christine Christina, another, an unsung member of Stabby Baby Enterprises, the other, the other roommate of this apartment. It was me eldest and Christina, we all work together now. She does like travel stuff and you know, she does like logistics. She's on maternity leave so I had to, you know, do some googling. But it was, it reminded me of the good old days when I was a one man band booking all my travel, you know. But yeah, I, I'm going to take the train from, from Manchester, I think to Glasgow, which is going to be nice. Yeah, I'm excited about that. I might even around and take the train from like London to Dublin. Take like a long train ride and like stop, stop in the middle. See some. You know what I mean? See some. Cuz I have a couple days, I have like a whole week between so I'm going to take like an extra day and like see I also want to go there and like part of the reason that I was doing London or like doing the UK run is because like I've never done, I keep, I keep getting like sick before going to London and Like canceling. I feel bad. Sorry. I'm really coming no matter what. I've even said no to some cool stuff for you. Pieces of shit. So buy tickets. We have a second show added on Sunday. Don't make me an asshole. But I just like, want to do my material in as many places as possible to see how to just see how it works, you know?

[Jordan Jensen]

I'm so curious. Yeah, I mean, mine is about blood and vagina and calm.

[Stavi]

Some universal.

[Jordan Jensen]

And everybody has that.

[Stavi]

Yeah, yeah. Most people have one of. Yeah, yeah. So that's less people. But the first three. The first three, everyone's got two. Two out of three.

[Jordan Jensen]

And yeah, we probably have the least amount of vaginas and penises in the United States because they've been all.

[Stavi]

Well, you just make them into the other one. I don't.

[Jordan Jensen]

Do you? Yeah, I think sometimes they just.

[Stavi]

Either you believe that by them up, you haven't fundamentally changed them and you still have it, or you believe that you turn it into one.

[Jordan Jensen]

You know what's weird? This guy that my friend was seeing.

[Stavi]

Also, by the way, Sorry. Yeah, Thailand completely crushes us in terms of, in terms of, you know, switching genders. So I don't say. I don't think we have the money. But that's, that's a small country. You think?

[Jordan Jensen]

No, that's like drag.

[Stavi]

No, they chop them up.

[Jordan Jensen]

Do they chop them up?

[Stavi]

I think so.

[Jordan Jensen]

No, it's lady boys.

[Stavi]

Some of them. Some of them don't they get tits.

[Jordan Jensen]

They don't have any money. They have $9.

[Stavi]

Yeah, but they have some money. They have some money. And I think a lot of it, unfortunately, which is brutal, does go to sex work. You know, it's a sex based economy. So if anyone's going to figure out how to make cool future, you know, future genitals, I think it's gonna be them.

[Jordan Jensen]

I don't think so. I think it's third world.

[Stavi]

I think you're being. I think you're being very xenophobic. Right?

[Jordan Jensen]

I'm very.

[Stavi]

I think you're being. You're really underestimating, dude.

[Jordan Jensen]

Ralphie Bastos is my podcast. And I was like, isn't Brazil like a third world country? And he's like, no, first of all.

[Stavi]

You'Re from like upstate New York. You're from where the fucking. What you're talking about is so poor and horrible. I would rather live in Thailand than where you come from. It's not even close.

[Jordan Jensen]

Contractors invent, make a lot of inventions. Most amount of inventions come from carpenters Interesting because they're like, what if there was a. What if they were the dummy stick on the back of this hammer that would allow. You know.

[Stavi]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Jordan Jensen]

My friend. My friend's ex. Not ex. Just dude. She was.

[Stavi]

Whatever.

[Jordan Jensen]

He a. He was like, I've a. Which is crazy.

[Stavi]

Yeah, he said that. You're quoting.

[Jordan Jensen]

He said that. He's like the Southern guy, which to me is drag, in my opinion.

[Stavi]

No, trans. It's a slur for.

[Jordan Jensen]

Yeah, but it's not transgender.

[Stavi]

Yes, it is.

[Jordan Jensen]

If you transition fully, you're not really anymore.

[Stavi]

Okay, sorry. So.

[Jordan Jensen]

So then, yeah, she's got a whole vagina and tits.

[Stavi]

Yeah.

[Jordan Jensen]

And he's like, yeah, but it was weird because she's it. Because it used to be a penis, so it's still gay. And it made me think, like, I.

[Stavi]

Don'T think it is gay. I mean, it's something weird. It's not. Right. It's not the norm. I mean, if. I think it's closer to straight than gay at that point. If you've had all this. So.

[Jordan Jensen]

And it was like. Like, I got plastic surgery to remove all this extra skin because I used to.

[Stavi]

Used to be fat as hell.

[Jordan Jensen]

That's like. If somebody. Me and they were like, yeah, she just had the skin hitting me in the face the whole time. And they were like, really? And they were like, no, she got it cut off. But it was there.

[Stavi]

You know what I mean?

[Jordan Jensen]

It doesn't make any sense.

[Stavi]

No, I agree. I think when you've made the switch, it's. I do think I think of those as straight relationships. Although it's like, you know, probably your sexuality and the way you relate sexually is different.

[Jordan Jensen]

Right.

[Stavi]

For some people, I would assume.

[Jordan Jensen]

I've also about identifying as queer if you're just a fully. If you're just a hot woman who got a sex change in a relationship with a toxic gym rat. Do you get to say you're queer.

[Stavi]

If you had a sexual. What's it. What do you mean?

[Jordan Jensen]

Women. Okay. I was a man. I transitioned to be a beautiful woman. I'm killing it. Huge tits.

[Stavi]

Yeah.

[Jordan Jensen]

Amazing.

[Stavi]

Yep.

[Jordan Jensen]

Having sex with gym rats. Strong men. Toxic.

[Stavi]

Yeah.

[Jordan Jensen]

And I still identify as queer.

[Stavi]

I mean, you're. I think, being trans. I mean, we're in a society where, I think, unfortunately, society dictates that a little bit. And I think.

[Jordan Jensen]

I think I'm more queer than that person.

[Stavi]

You're not.

[Jordan Jensen]

I am a lesbian. You're not having sex with small men.

[Stavi]

No. Okay. You're not at all You're a straight woman. You're a straight woman who's been through barely in that. Yes. I mean, listen, it's hard until you just take the plunge and stop flirting. Until you stop sort of doing this whole, oh, I'm so gay, but I'm not. Wink, wink, wink, you're still straight.

[Jordan Jensen]

I figured out why I'm straight. I got scared straight because I have three moms that love me. One dad that didn't love me and died and he was like a hot guy. I got scared straight.

[Stavi]

Wouldn't that scare you? Gay? The one guy who loves you?

[Jordan Jensen]

I don't need the woman's love. I need the man's love. You want to make your son. If you want to make your son straight, kill his mother because he'll always want to replace her.

[Stavi]

What if he wants to replace like a diva that sings really well? Because that happens a lot with gay guys. Love women in non sexual ways. You could argue some gay guys love women more than I do because. Because it means like Lady Gaga means more to them than my mother means to me. You know what I mean?

[Jordan Jensen]

Yeah, totally.

[Stavi]

So I think I like your theory that you're constantly searching for the male valley.

[Jordan Jensen]

I have plenty of women who love me.

[Stavi]

Yeah, true.

[Jordan Jensen]

I don't like that.

[Stavi]

Right, right.

[Jordan Jensen]

I don't need that.

[Stavi]

Right. But I do think if you're trans, you're still queer in society.

[Jordan Jensen]

Okay.

[Stavi]

Yeah, I think that's. That's where I. That's where I land. You really have. You have gotten like Austin trans brain like you. You know what I mean? Like it really is at the top of your head. No, cuz I really immediately brought it up as soon as the podcast started.

[Jordan Jensen]

No, because this just happened where my friend said that her. Her guy a right. And I'm really interested in it because sometimes I get like, I'm jealous of like Robbie Hoffman for just cutting her tits off and still being a woman. That's like the coolest thing.

[Stavi]

Right?

[Jordan Jensen]

I want to do that so bad.

[Stavi]

What's stopping you?

[Jordan Jensen]

Because I need them for sexual capital. I strap them down as much as I can still date men. But yeah, I am very interested in it.

[Stavi]

I. Okay, I give you credit. You have. You are still inch. You won't take the plunge, but you are inching forward because this I want to chop my tits off. This is new. And I like that you are getting closer to being a lesbian. I'll give you that. Lamenting your tits.

[Jordan Jensen]

I don't. Women. You know what I don't like when women compliment you, it's this all encompassing, amazing compliment that you can't like believe. Like, they'll be like, I like your whole essence. But if a man compliments you, it means so much more because it's so hard for men to think of. Like a man once said that I had small pores and I think about that every day.

[Stavi]

Okay.

[Jordan Jensen]

You know what I mean? Like, that's like gold to me.

[Stavi]

I think that's again, more about how much you value a man's approval. So, yeah, I don't think it's necessarily.

[Jordan Jensen]

I do not respect women.

[Stavi]

Yeah, yeah. I don't think it's necessarily that their compliments mean more, you know, because to.

[Jordan Jensen]

Me, when they start acting. Right, when they start. I'm serious, dude, I will.

[Stavi]

I mean, just real quick, that is a line from a Def Jam 1992 set. That is like a line from the most misogynistic.

[Jordan Jensen]

What is going on with women? Why are they doing this?

[Stavi]

What are they. What are they doing? What are you talking.

[Jordan Jensen]

I'm so. I want women lip fillers.

[Stavi]

The.

[Jordan Jensen]

The plastic surgery comedians who are supp. Our face is supposed to be able to go like this. And they're going, oh, I'm funny. You're not. You can't see your weird face. You're not funny. Get out of the business and become an actress. You dumb.

[Stavi]

But that is the thing. I mean, I'm sorry, we're in entertainment, unfortunately, it's the. We're in the lowest part of entertainment. So people who fail out of everything else end up here. We're sort of like after you clean your sink and you see all the like, debris that's in the little strainer. That's stand up comedy.

[Jordan Jensen]

Yeah.

[Stavi]

People got accused of.

[Jordan Jensen]

That's why.

[Stavi]

Oh, now they're selling out the funny bone. You know what I mean? Like, you wanted to be a model. You're not good enough. Oh, look at that. You're doing a residency at the stand. You know what I mean? Like, but that. You have to understand that that's weak at the Creek. Yeah, that's. That's who we are. That's what this is.

[Jordan Jensen]

Ye. But accept it and stop trying to be hot. We're not supposed to be hot.

[Stavi]

You don't think any comedian.

[Jordan Jensen]

Some people pull it off. I will say Nikki Glaser pulls it off.

[Stavi]

Sure.

[Jordan Jensen]

Nikki Glaser. It's funny how hot she is because of the shit she's saying.

[Stavi]

Okay.

[Jordan Jensen]

You know what I mean?

[Stavi]

Yeah. I mean, I think you can be hot.

[Jordan Jensen]

She doesn't have face. She doesn't have the fake face also.

[Stavi]

Sure.

[Jordan Jensen]

I just think women in general with the, with the trying to look like babies and then being against. It's crazy to me.

[Stavi]

Okay.

[Jordan Jensen]

They're carrying around giga pets and keychains. I mean like Epstein's a monster.

[Stavi]

I mean it's a real different thing though. A grown woman and like who is.

[Jordan Jensen]

Dressing like a baby and have a child?

[Stavi]

Yes, Jordan, my veins. Jordan.

[Jordan Jensen]

I have my little breast milk flavored vein.

[Stavi]

Let me just say yes, like you have no argument whatsoever. I'm not going to say what they're doing isn't weird. Ripping their pubic hair out. And again, I'm not saying that like having an infantilization thing isn't their its own problem. You can still criticize pedophiles even if you dress like a baby. I would say, I don't agree. You're out. Let me tell you something. There is no, there's no agree to disagree here. You are fully wrong. And it's one of the stupidest things ever.

[Jordan Jensen]

Baby. And I go out and I try and suck men's.

[Stavi]

You're a grown. By the way. No one's gonna be like, I thought she was 12. They're gonna be like, well this dumb bitch, this 30 year old bitch. Yeah, but like they're not gonna be duped. You won't be duping a into fucking you. You'll be fucking a guy who's got a different sexual hangup that is much better for society that than being a child predator.

[Jordan Jensen]

People, women need to start aging like Native American chiefs.

[Stavi]

Listen, I don't. I think you have. I think. I'm not saying. I think what you're saying, you're actually saying something that is. Could be positive but you're couching it in very negative. Imagine if you misogynistic terms and you were saying, except yeah, it's harder to be a woman.

[Jordan Jensen]

It's not hard. You'd wait, you'd wake up and all the women around you would be like, ew, why are you just wearing your regular face today? And you'd be like, because it's my face. You have to put mush on it and lots of stuff on it. And you'd be like, but it's my face. You have to be.

[Stavi]

That's hard. That's what I'm saying, hard.

[Jordan Jensen]

It's stupid and it's our fault. Women can stop. Women can stop.

[Stavi]

It's really not holy. This is insane. You think it's women's Fault just as much.

[Jordan Jensen]

We're just as powerful. Cut it out.

[Stavi]

All right. You're practicing for Rogan. Very clear. You're going to do. You're going to do a great job on Kill Tony with these talking points.

[Jordan Jensen]

I. I am successful.

[Stavi]

You don't think there's a scenario. There's a reason that women have to behave this way. Why you don't think. You think beauty standards something women created and not a way that men put value on women. Starting from like thousands of years ago. Time to change.

[Jordan Jensen]

Time to stop now. Okay, enough time has passed. Time to stop.

[Stavi]

Okay, I. I don't literally put on.

[Jordan Jensen]

Makeup in order to be like. Show men to be like. This is where the penis goes. We don't do that for each other. We don't do that to each other.

[Stavi]

That's true. I would not know where to put it without. Without the red guiding circle.

[Jordan Jensen]

Yes, dude. It's up and it's gotta stop. And we should. Our periods and everything. I think every woman, when they have their period should have two little red blood stripes. Not. None of this hiding it anymore.

[Stavi]

No more. I'm with you on all this stuff.

[Jordan Jensen]

Feminism is dead, dude.

[Stavi]

But what you're talking about is a form of feminism. You're talking about.

[Jordan Jensen]

I want it to come back.

[Stavi]

Okay.

[Jordan Jensen]

Remember hairy armpits now it's unacceptable.

[Stavi]

I don't. I don't think that's true.

[Jordan Jensen]

It's okay in Bushwick, but it's not cool.

[Stavi]

Yeah, it's fine.

[Jordan Jensen]

What's that? The Italian lady had who was hot.

[Stavi]

Oh, yes, yes, I know you're talking about.

[Jordan Jensen]

Yeah, she had. She had.

[Stavi]

I got no problem with hairy armpits. I'm on record.

[Jordan Jensen]

Yeah, but it's very rare to see it on like an actual empowered woman. It's. It's unlike a vegan trans who has like non binary cats or whatever you are.

[Stavi]

Really. This is really interesting because you're actually saying radical feminism with Kill Tony vocabulary right now. It's like a fascinating. I'm having a hard time even because I. We do agree. But you just. You're throwing these like anti cancel culture buzzwords out.

[Jordan Jensen]

There's a.

[Stavi]

You're like. It's like how Ian is embarrassed of being gay, so he pretends to be Republican. You're doing this. You're embarrassed to be a feminist, so you're pretending to be Republican right now.

[Jordan Jensen]

No, I think if you're a feminist, then you also have to have issues with trans stuff.

[Stavi]

You have to.

[Jordan Jensen]

Because when a trans person goes, now I'M a woman and they get giant fake tits. You have to be like, hey, hey.

[Stavi]

No, I don't think that's true.

[Jordan Jensen]

You don't have to, but you got to go a little bit alone. And when you have room alone, you have to go, hey.

[Stavi]

You're saying no, no. I think this is about you wanting big fake tits.

[Jordan Jensen]

I don't want them. Why? To add more weight.

[Stavi]

So wait, wait, what's your so you're talk. You're coming out as a trans exclusionary radical feminist. The turf.

[Jordan Jensen]

I'm not a turf.

[Stavi]

Okay, well, what you talking. What you said was very turfy right there.

[Jordan Jensen]

If you transition to be a woman, you've probably undergone the same amount of that a woman has undergone.

[Stavi]

Like, I think you've gone through some different. But yes. Yeah, totally equally bad somebody.

[Jordan Jensen]

If my dog. My dog kind of looks like a cat. If people go, is that a cat? I go, yeah, she looks like a cat. She's a cat. If you want to be a cat, she's a cat. I don't give a what you want to be.

[Stavi]

Okay?

[Jordan Jensen]

But I do want women to stop being little cum goblins.

[Stavi]

Okay, now we switch to a different.

[Jordan Jensen]

Thing with the lips.

[Stavi]

Okay? You just meet come goblin to you just means like succumbing to the male gaze, being like a sex doll. That kind of vibe. Bimbo aesthetic. That kind of.

[Jordan Jensen]

And the way they talk. A kid asked if I was a.

[Stavi]

Boy the other day and is that what this is all about?

[Jordan Jensen]

I talk normal. The other girls talk like, okay, okay, okay.

[Stavi]

I said.

[Jordan Jensen]

He said, can I throw ball for your dog? I said, oh, heck yeah. And he goes, are you a boy? And I said, I don't know.

[Stavi]

I don't know anymore. I want to get my tits chopped off like Robbie Hoffman.

[Jordan Jensen]

I don't understand.

[Stavi]

It sucks, okay? You're going through something is what. This is New York.

[Jordan Jensen]

It's New York.

[Stavi]

What is this? What's going on? Do you feel undesirable?

[Jordan Jensen]

I'm about to get my period. I just went through a breakup on Tuesday again.

[Stavi]

I think last time you were here, you were just going, it's probably the same guy, if I had to guess. Yeah, yeah. Ye. This happened seven times since I've known you. This exact scene. I mean, this is the most time is a flat circle podcast there is. Yeah. Every time you've done this podcast, you've just broken up with this guy.

[Jordan Jensen]

Yeah.

[Stavi]

Or you just.

[Jordan Jensen]

One time we had just hooked up.

[Stavi]

You know, they lived around here. I won't even say he. Anymore. Who knows what you're into at this point? Do you have. Is this part of it? Are you feeling undesirable? You look great, by the way. You came in your gym.

[Jordan Jensen]

No, I just. Am I just. Am I not even going to. You know, I am. I'm not. I just. It's very frustrating because of. Why am I frustrated about it right now? Because I meet all these people on the road and the men come up and they go, hey, it's really nice to meet you. I'm a huge fan of your work. And the girls come up to me and they climb into my flesh and they go, are you sure you're not gay? I just want to suck. And I'm like, have some dignity, bitch. Have some dignity.

[Stavi]

Okay? This. I don't think that's fundamentally what your problem is.

[Jordan Jensen]

My problem is that I accidentally got born into the second sex, which we are. We are the second sex. And I would like to stop that and women to stop that.

[Stavi]

Cut it out, okay?

[Jordan Jensen]

Gen Z, crushing it by being.

[Stavi]

By being sort of non binary.

[Jordan Jensen]

Freaky non binary. Like, they're not.

[Stavi]

So you're just saying don't conform to gender norms. It's really all you're talking.

[Jordan Jensen]

Yeah, I'm saying millennials have gotten so.

[Stavi]

Cringe, you would like to just be. Appear less feminine, but still be perceived as a woman, is what you're saying.

[Jordan Jensen]

God forbid.

[Stavi]

I'm just trying to get. First of all, I'm just trying to understand your point.

[Jordan Jensen]

If I went, nine people go, and I have to know the time.

[Stavi]

Okay, but see, you're blaming women for this. This is the thing I'm having a really hard time for, okay? It's the people yelling at you.

[Jordan Jensen]

Men put their cocks in my vagina. They don't give a fuck how hairy it is.

[Stavi]

You don't think that's different than respecting you as a person? We just got over the fact that you've been. You know, they respect me, but women don't.

[Jordan Jensen]

Women don't respect themselves, okay? They don't respect themselves. And every time.

[Stavi]

Where is this coming from right now? Because it's not the girls on the road. Like eight girls on the road tried to. You. That's not where this is all coming from. Where is this coming from? Where is this? I'm about to get my well of hatred, okay?

[Jordan Jensen]

The well of hatred is coming from women.

[Stavi]

Why is it aimed just at women and not at maybe society at large? Why don't you say there's a part of women women are doing A part of it. And the people that are, you know, the. Because I do think it's probably the. I think men, especially right now, we're in a very a. We're in like a. There's a cultural conservative shift, right? And I think, like, there is some patriarchal going back where it's like. I think because society is getting more conservative, women are expected to have more, like, you know, are expected to appear more feminine. Right? Like all this kind of. That's a big part of the problem, too. Why don't you have. I'm just confused. Like, why are you not mad at that aspect?

[Jordan Jensen]

Because I don't think women have made the conscious choice that they can actually direct the way that cultural culture moves. I think women don't think that they direct culture, and they do direct culture. And instead of directing it, they go, well, men want this. You know what I mean? And they do. I mean, there's so many women who have done. Who have. Who are weird, and we're upset. Lady Gaga, perfect example. She. She dresses like a freak. She does all sorts of. That's awesome, right? She's huge. Like, if you are different and actually weird, people like it. But so many women in the world have gotten so obsessed with the way that their bodies are. And men don't have to get. I was watching it's. And it's. I get that it's Hollywood. I get that it's a lot of things, but I also think that women can opt out, and they choose to not opt out.

[Stavi]

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[Jordan Jensen]

Men are way too stupid to be told that they're the problem. No offense. We cannot be like the patriarchy. You guys are literally just trying to. You do not give a. What we look like. You really don't care.

[Stavi]

I don't think that's true. I think, I think, yes, in terms of someone, sure. But in terms of, like, all of.

[Jordan Jensen]

You want to date a real woman 100. You. Once you get to the age that.

[Stavi]

We'Re at now, when. What's your definition?

[Jordan Jensen]

Like, no, like, my friends now aren't like, I just want to come goblin with fat ass. You know what I mean? My friends now are like, I actually want, like, a real person.

[Stavi]

I. But I do think there is societal value to, like, what you're describing, like, having a hot. A tradition like a woman, that's somebody that society sees as valuable.

[Jordan Jensen]

Yeah.

[Stavi]

I think a lot of people do that over their own desires. And that's a part of the problem too. Right? Like, like, like, that's. I think, to me that's the issue is that, like, no one is really going for what they actually want. They're kind of worried about being perceived a certain way.

[Jordan Jensen]

Yeah.

[Stavi]

A lot of the time. You know what I mean? And it's also like, I also think your definition of a real woman, like, I have no problem with someone who fucking wants to dress dumb and like, you know.

[Jordan Jensen]

Yeah.

[Stavi]

Have like, Stupid hair and fake tits, whatever. Like, yeah, I think you could still. I, I do think you can still be a quote unquote real woman and still appear that way. Now, I do think there's probably a problem in terms of like getting all your value for how. From how you know, from external validation, whether that's your looks, even your career, your whatever. But I think that's just one form of that. That's the problem for me anyway. You know what I'm saying?

[Jordan Jensen]

Yes. I also, I just want to be able to be a woman in society that is utilitarian and doing the things I want to do and active and having fun without nine people throughout the day saying that I eat. I'm like, why? Why does me boxing mean I eat? I have rage issues.

[Stavi]

We agree.

[Jordan Jensen]

You're so I beat somebod up. I don't get what the problem is.

[Stavi]

I'm with you.

[Jordan Jensen]

And my mom, by the way, is a straight lady who everybody whittled her down into a lesbian widow.

[Stavi]

She loves. Look at me. She loves it. Wow.

[Jordan Jensen]

She loves Tom Cruise. She. My dad for 14 years. She.

[Stavi]

But she was dating women forever. They assaulted her.

[Jordan Jensen]

They're assaulting me and they assaulted my mother.

[Stavi]

Okay, this is. So we've gotten into another layer of this where you now are scared you're repeating your mother.

[Jordan Jensen]

No, I'm saying that you can't be a masculine woman in society and be straight without getting whittled down.

[Stavi]

I agree with that. But it's okay. So sorry. Sorry to cut you off. I'm sorry. But I guess my point is you can be both. You get to choose what. Whichever way you want to present, whether that's ultra feminine or even masculine. And you should still be valid as a woman. I think that's. That's my only disagreement with you is that like you seem to be telling this side of the. The.

[Jordan Jensen]

Some of them have to help me out.

[Stavi]

The ultra feminine. Okay. So there. Here we go. Some of them you just also want leaving me. Okay, okay.

[Jordan Jensen]

They are leaving me and they're getting hotter and they're becoming cum goblins. And my most mask friends are either becoming trans so that they can. Or whatever so that they can fit into some narrative. Or they're getting fake tits. Not fake tits, but lip fillers and shit.

[Stavi]

Interesting. You know what I mean? Yes. You feel, you feel like you're in no woman's land.

[Jordan Jensen]

I'm in no woman's.

[Stavi]

Yes.

[Jordan Jensen]

If this is what a woman is, then I have to stay here to hold down the fort. But I'm getting pushed to the edge of the brink, and then I have all my friends jumping out.

[Stavi]

Isn't the solution to just say a woman can be whatever a woman wants to be.

[Jordan Jensen]

Totally.

[Stavi]

Okay. Instead of saying, no, get rid come, goblins come back, help me out. Okay. And in what way would you like them to help you out?

[Jordan Jensen]

They need to stop it.

[Stavi]

But what if they like it? What if they like it?

[Jordan Jensen]

They gotta take a break of some days.

[Stavi]

Okay. I think part of this is maybe you think they're also hot and part of you would like to look kind of hotter sometimes.

[Jordan Jensen]

Handle that I'm straight.

[Stavi]

What are you talking about? I probably can handle the most of your. I think I can't.

[Jordan Jensen]

You think I'm gay.

[Stavi]

I don't actually.

[Jordan Jensen]

If you saw me approach a woman's vagina, you would change.

[Stavi]

I actually don't really think that. I honestly don't think it's a fun bit.

[Jordan Jensen]

But they. They have to take a few days off of making their face look like it's not there.

[Stavi]

But why do they have to. Because I can't be the way you straight way. You get to be whatever the you are. They get to be whatever the they want to be.

[Jordan Jensen]

No. I need some help over here.

[Stavi]

And what kind of help?

[Jordan Jensen]

I need some of the straight women to some days dress comfortably so that we create a new faculty.

[Stavi]

Is part of the problem that you live in New York where it's like.

[Jordan Jensen]

I'm a New York and it's a huge issue.

[Stavi]

Yeah, I mean, I think all that's all we're talking about here is that this is like, if I go to Canada. Yeah, if you go most places, you're fine. If you go most places, you're fine. Yeah. Okay. So all I'm saying is don't make any sweeping rational generalization about women be doing too damn much or whatever. Whatever the fuck. Or whatever the fuck this started at.

[Jordan Jensen]

You know how painful it is to get lip fillers. You know how hard it is for women to. A needle in your mouth.

[Stavi]

It is.

[Jordan Jensen]

You don't need to do that. You need to get mad.

[Stavi]

I agree with you.

[Jordan Jensen]

Putting their dick in this.

[Stavi]

Okay, well, just because you have little ass lips, don't take it out on lips. You have little ass lips.

[Jordan Jensen]

I'm worried about our generation getting old, like hitting 50 and just having mental breakdowns because they're not attractive anymore.

[Stavi]

I mean, that happens to literally every generation. That's just aging. That's not new for our generation.

[Jordan Jensen]

Yeah. But I think ours might Be. I think ours might go.

[Stavi]

Every generation thinks that. That's the thing. The thing we have to recognize that every generation has their. Especially aging and losing your youth, whatever. It's like every generation goes through that for sure. And every generation gets a little weirder. So it's going to be a little different. But, you know, I think Gen Z.

[Jordan Jensen]

Is going to be fine. I think they're going to age regular, like, homeschooler vibes.

[Stavi]

Is that why, like, homeschooler.

[Jordan Jensen]

You know how, like, remember the homeschool kid you grew up with that's like, just a weirdo freak?

[Stavi]

Sure.

[Jordan Jensen]

I think they're all kind of like.

[Stavi]

That a bit because they're so isolated.

[Jordan Jensen]

Yeah.

[Stavi]

The Internet or whatever. Yeah, we'll see. I guess. I don't know.

[Jordan Jensen]

You know, Madonna looks insane now. I think our whole generation is going to do that.

[Stavi]

I don't. I don't think so. The. There have been. Have you seen our friends? I've seen a lot of them, sure. Yeah. Some of look. Yeah. Do so. Yeah. Do have friends of mine done Botox so young that I'm like, what the are you. Why are you doing that? Sure, I agree.

[Jordan Jensen]

I'm.

[Stavi]

We're actually in agreement on a lot of stuff. It's just the, like, being so mad at it that, you know, and being. Saying it's women's fault that we don't agree on. I guess you would be mad if.

[Jordan Jensen]

You were a woman. If you woke up one day and walked out, you'd be like, why don't.

[Stavi]

I'm supposed to do what?

[Jordan Jensen]

And they'd be like, laser your face.

[Stavi]

You know how much until it bleeds being of, if I was my size as a woman, you know how bad my life is. Like, you know how much easier it is to be a fat guy.

[Jordan Jensen]

Yeah.

[Stavi]

Like, they literally, like, yeah, but like, Melissa McCarthy is the first woman who ever got to fulfill what every. What her life is like, was what every fat, fun guy's life is like. You know what I mean? Women get one of those.

[Jordan Jensen]

And she has a hot husband.

[Stavi]

And she has a hot husband. That's what I'm saying. There are mil, maybe not million. There are thousands of fat, fun guys whose lives are awesome. And that's. We do not. We do not give women the same opportunity. No, that, you know, that's not fair. I agree with you. I think. I think fat fun, but, like, you know, so if. If, like, a girl is fat and loud, they're like, shut up.

[Jordan Jensen]

Yeah.

[Stavi]

Fat. You know what I mean? That's you know what I mean? That's what I'm saying. I would, like. I just don't think it's really all women's fault. I don't know what. You know. Not to be taking the. Not to be taken. We've. We've weirdly gender swapped this argument.

[Jordan Jensen]

Yeah.

[Stavi]

Where I'm like, it's a little bit more men's fault than you're saying. And you're like, no, these need to.

[Jordan Jensen]

Stop putting on makeup to have it be their fault. It's like, you guys aren't making moves, dude. You're not being.

[Stavi]

Like, the propaganda is working on you.

[Jordan Jensen]

No, it's not. It's like, you guys aren't. People are getting cast in movies that are not necessarily super feminine. Like, it is. People are fine with whatever culture tells them is cool.

[Stavi]

What are you talking about?

[Jordan Jensen]

I'm just saying, like, there's like, the Marilyn Monroe who's like, oh, my God, Isn't getting cast. It is like, interesting women who get cast.

[Stavi]

They're a tiny point. I don't know who. Who's even the biggest. Who. It's. It's hard to think, like, who are the biggest female stars right now.

[Jordan Jensen]

Okay, take Zendaya. She dresses like a boy all the time.

[Stavi]

And she's literally classically model beautiful, though she's skinny.

[Jordan Jensen]

We're not talking about weight. Weight. We're on. Wait, we're.

[Stavi]

You can see.

[Jordan Jensen]

Yeah. No, weight is. No, I never will. I never eat.

[Stavi]

Okay. And. But then die is like, she's a. She has, like, model looks.

[Jordan Jensen]

Yeah, but she dresses like a boy.

[Stavi]

No, she does. Look at her. Look at her. Look at her.

[Jordan Jensen]

Like, she sometimes dresses like a girl.

[Stavi]

But out and about.

[Jordan Jensen]

She dresses like a boy.

[Stavi]

All her. Like, she's always wearing, like, nice gowns or whatever the. Yeah.

[Jordan Jensen]

To the red carpet. I just got a suit tailored.

[Stavi]

Yeah, she looks incredible. What are you talking about? Zendaya is your beautiful woman who dresses traditionally beautiful.

[Jordan Jensen]

It's not helping me anymore.

[Stavi]

I mean, that's an insanely odd woman. That's crazy. That That's. Well, she sold out because she wears.

[Jordan Jensen]

Look at her in the hat.

[Stavi]

Okay?

[Jordan Jensen]

Look at her in the hat.

[Stavi]

She's wearing a hat one time.

[Jordan Jensen]

That's silly.

[Stavi]

Yeah, but that's. That's high fashion. That's. Maybe you're the worst example you could have given. She's the most like. Like, in that.

[Jordan Jensen]

Look at Zendaya on the street.

[Stavi]

She still looks pretty hot. No, these are all. I mean, this. You have no point. She's cool there. She's wearing cargoes behind Tom Holland that one time. Whatever. It doesn't matter. We don't have to keep talking about this. So how are you feeling about your eighth break? Do you think this is the last time you break up with this person?

[Jordan Jensen]

Yeah.

[Stavi]

Are you taking any precautions to make sure that happens? Like, like what? Like, are you just like, it's never gonna happen again.

[Jordan Jensen]

I have an extra therapist.

[Stavi]

An extra one?

[Jordan Jensen]

Yeah, too.

[Stavi]

That's not good. This is like this. You're approaching Sarah squirm territory. Sarah goes to therapy like eight times a week. Yeah, don't. Don't arch your eyebrow. You have two therapists. You're in that zone eight times a week. That's hyperbole. But what is this one? Is this like a special type of therapy?

[Jordan Jensen]

Yeah.

[Stavi]

Like a trauma type thing. Yeah, that's actually good. I think that's good because I have friends who have.

[Jordan Jensen]

Helps you switch your attachments, though.

[Stavi]

I have friends who have done trauma specific therapies that have been incredibly. I'm thinking about ketamine. Successful. Yeah, maybe it's also just.

[Jordan Jensen]

Here's what happens with, with the, with the cycle. You stay in it for a long time. The anxious person, me, who doesn't think they deserve love, stays in it for a long time. And then eventually they do get bored and they're like, oh, this is actually.

[Stavi]

Like, this isn't fun anymore.

[Jordan Jensen]

And that's when it actually ends. And this time I'm actually just like, oh, yeah. This is not even like. Yeah, I'm not, I'm not like crying about it. I'm not like, you know what I.

[Stavi]

Mean, Just going through the motions.

[Jordan Jensen]

But I'm not doing like every other breakup. I was like, devastated. I couldn't. And now I'm like, this is. I've done it. I've seen them. There's literally nothing here.

[Stavi]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Jordan Jensen]

And that's the only way for just.

[Stavi]

A smooth nine years to figure that out. Or four. Four. Okay. That's not so bad. Yeah, that's not so bad. I thought it was like a longer.

[Jordan Jensen]

Because the other breakups, I was like, I can't wait for the it to start up again. It will serve.

[Stavi]

And now I'm just like, like, oh, interesting. You always thought it'll start up again. Yeah.

[Jordan Jensen]

After like the third time.

[Stavi]

Yeah, gotcha, gotcha.

[Jordan Jensen]

But now I'm just like, it's two.

[Stavi]

Okay.

[Jordan Jensen]

Because it wasn't even. It literally just came down to like a survival like, like during the relationship. I would Just be like, am I bad? Am I bad? I'm not. I'm not enough. I'm not being good. I'm not being. And then when we broke up, I was like, oh, I like, ha. That is. That's not like a good time.

[Stavi]

Like, Right. Feeling that way is not what a relationship should be.

[Jordan Jensen]

Right. Well, we weren't even having, like, fun and the other iterations. I didn't know about it yet, so I was like, oh, this is really the time. And this last time, I was like, you know. Yeah.

[Stavi]

What am I even doing? Well, that's good. I'm glad you don't. So, okay, good. And then you're just gonna. Are you just gonna stay away from dating for a while? Are you gonna get back in? No, no, no, no, no, no, no. You're just gonna focus up. You got the special coming out.

[Jordan Jensen]

I still. I'm not really attracted to anybody but my ex, so I have to wait for that to switch.

[Stavi]

Interesting, because what I've done in the.

[Jordan Jensen]

Past is I've just forced sex with somebody and been like, they're attractive, objectively. Just have sex with them, and then I get spooked and I go, whoa, whoa, whoa. You're a weird stranger.

[Stavi]

Objectively. That's not. That's not what I hear most. Plenty of ugly people.

[Jordan Jensen]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Stavi]

Nice trying to pretend you only hot people. Yeah. Like, oh, no, they're attractive.

[Jordan Jensen]

There's some hot. There's some hot.

[Stavi]

There's some. But there's some real tough ones in there too. Yeah, yeah, that's okay. Yeah, we're all changing because if I.

[Jordan Jensen]

Have an emotional connection with them, I'm like, I should them.

[Stavi]

Yeah.

[Jordan Jensen]

Because I really like them.

[Stavi]

Listen, I'm not gonna hear. To tell women not to ugly guys that they find charming, that would be a social suicide for me. There's no way I'm gonna be on record to tell women to stop doing that. But.

[Jordan Jensen]

Yeah, but you can't jump into things too quick because it makes you. It freaks you out.

[Stavi]

I agree. It's too foreign. 100%. I've done that before too, where I'm like, I'm totally fine.

[Jordan Jensen]

Yeah.

[Stavi]

And then you just, like, wake up next to someone. You don'. At all. You just, like, go to the bathroom to cry. You're like, what am I doing?

[Jordan Jensen]

And your body kind of thinks it's the other person for a second, and then they turn and it's not, and.

[Stavi]

You'Re like, no, that's a real tough one where it's like, there's like a. Like it almost feels like a glitch. And you're like, whoa, is this. Is this the person I love? It's like, no, I had that last night.

[Jordan Jensen]

I woke up with. In a full headlock with something and I was like, oh, I. Maybe we didn't break up. Look down my dog's ass.

[Stavi]

Just. And he was.

[Jordan Jensen]

She like, her head was down here and she was like, what are you doing?

[Stavi]

I was like, that's awesome. Hell yeah. Yeah. You got to focus on the special. Do you date?

[Jordan Jensen]

Are you dating?

[Stavi]

Not really. I've been. I've just been lying to myself that at some point my life will chill out. Oh yeah, kind of. It's just been non stop for. I don't know which. It's 20, 25, I guess four years now. I guess four straight years. I keep being like, this year I'll have something.

[Jordan Jensen]

That's Bobby Kelly's thing is he's like that. That period where you're just like slammed and booked in the come up and the. And then the ride, you can't. He's like, you just can't be in a relationship. It's crazy.

[Stavi]

I think, I think there's some truth to that. I think you can if you really make it a priority. Kind of like. Like the last two. So the first two years, I just let it destroy everything, right Where I was like.

[Jordan Jensen]

Like, that's what I did.

[Stavi]

Body habits, relationships with family, relationships with women. I just every. I sold everything out to just get, you know, I was just like, I was singularly focused. These last two years, I've done a little bit better about staying in touch with my family. I've done so I. I've actually done a good job about staying in touch with my family. I've done a good job. I've actually focused on my health, right? So even though I haven't like completely changed my life, like, I haven't gotten to the point where I want to be. Like, if I took two years and was like, just dedicated to my health, I would be in a lot better shape. But over the last two years, I've actually lost weight in the like aggregate. Like, I've probably. I mean, at this point we're close to like maybe 60, 70 pounds. Yeah, I mean, I was big as. I was like 350. I mean, dude, two years. I mean, whatever. Two years ago, whenever the tour ended, whenever the last tour folks, there's certain products that Stop these world is very, very proud to endorse that first and foremost is bluechew What a company. What a chewable sex tablet that makes my hard as hell. Right now I'm in the uk. That's right. And I travel with bluechew just in case I have sex. Because I don't want these limey bitches. I don't want these limey gals that I'm smashing. To think Americans come through weak, pricked. Okay, we're dealing with enough problems as a country right now. The last thing we need is for it to get out that our cocks can't get hard. And thank the Lord for bluechew chewable tablets. That I take these chewable tablets, I mash them up and my cock goes. You know when you pull out a sword and it gleams for a second, my dick does that. On a Blue Chew, it's steel hard. And you need to experience that level of hard ass penis. And the only way you're going to do that is with bluechew. Guys, this isn't just about performance. This is about legacy or third legacy. Give her group chat. Something to talk about. You know, when you lay it down there, talking about how it gets up, nothing makes you more of a legend than a little bluechew. Discover your [e-mail] and we've got a special deal for our listeners. As always, get your first month of BlueChew Free. Just use promo code Stavi at checkout and pay five bucks for shipping. That's it. Join BlueChew's mission to upgrade humanity one thrust at a time. Had a head to bluechew.com for details and safety info. And big, big, big thanks to BlueChew for sponsoring the podcast. Thank you so much.

[Jordan Jensen]

So tour is your problem?

[Stavi]

I mean, tour was so. But that's what I'm saying is like, so I've actually. It used to be impossible for me to stay health. Stay healthy. Ish on tour. But I worked really hard and I spent a lot of money and like. And I made it so that I designed the thing so I could be healthy. Ish. So that I wouldn't hurt myself, you know? Yeah. And I also space things out. I'm not as like, I'm busy, but I'm not as busy as I'm busy.

[Jordan Jensen]

Makes you fat, dude.

[Stavi]

It does.

[Jordan Jensen]

It makes you so fat. Every time. I'm like, packed for days, I'm like, I have to tell my managers. I'm like, dude, I need a day off because if I don't sleep, I eat everything.

[Stavi]

Exactly. So I've been better about that. About, like Being realistic about what I can and can't do and saying no to cool shit. Because it's like, yeah, technically I have these three days off, but if I fly there, I come back, whatever. It just, It'll wreck the next two weeks. I'll be playing catch up the whole time. And so I've made it so that now a thing I couldn't do, stay healthy. And you know, I've made it. It's been pot. And I start. I mean, I, I took. I lost weight on my own, but then I also started taking like fat guy meds when I was going on the tour because I was like, I need, I need this to just kind of. So whatever. I've taken Zap Bound, but it's a similar thing. And so I've done stuff that I. To just kind of make it so that I don't completely fuck myself up while I'm on tour. I think if I thought about. And that took some time and I had to think about it, I had to approach it and I had to work my way up to it. I think if I did the same thing and did it for emotional reasons about being in a relationship, I think it would be possible to be in a relationship while being this busy. You would just have to treat it as a sort of prior secondary priority, the way you do. You know, I did health, but I'm a little far. I'm a little far away from that. I realize that like right now I can't do it. So like I could do a relationship.

[Jordan Jensen]

If we were already balls deep in. Fully committed and. But the starting a relationship, like, with the. That that takes. I don't. That's too much time.

[Stavi]

It's interesting. Yeah, it's interesting that you see it that way because I see the beginning is like, that's the only good part.

[Jordan Jensen]

You know, in the beginning you have to like be obsessive. You're thinking about it. You have to.

[Stavi]

You know what I mean?

[Jordan Jensen]

All that.

[Stavi]

Right, Right.

[Jordan Jensen]

Like if somebody was like, we are, we are giving you your hus now. And I was like, great, download memories, then I could do it. Then I could be like, hey, I'm going to be gone for two weeks. Don't cheat on me. And they'll be like, of course I wouldn't. I'm your husband.

[Stavi]

Of course. Yeah. Don't you remember how we bonded when we went apple picking two years ago? Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's.

[Jordan Jensen]

That's what I need.

[Stavi]

That would be sick. Dude. You're going to have an AI husband You're going to be one of those. Have you seen that? I've seen. We should cover that on a Kush Brothers elders, there's, like, full communities of people who are saying, like, my boyfriend is AI. It's crazy. It's this quick. I can't believe how fast people have succumbed to AI.

[Jordan Jensen]

I get the mental breakdowns people are having because I will have talks with it where I'll be like, explain this quantum physics thing and it'll re.

[Stavi]

It'll reaffirm.

[Jordan Jensen]

Dude, I love has changed my entire.

[Stavi]

Oh, my God.

[Jordan Jensen]

I send it pictures of dressings, and it goes, yeah, you can eat this. No, you can't eat that. That.

[Stavi]

I'll say, what are you talking.

[Jordan Jensen]

I'm in Madison, Wisconsin. Tell me exactly what I can eat that's going to be on par with the diet, and It'll be like, 100% that you're stupid.

[Stavi]

What do you mean that's. And then you're saying you're. You'll have talks about physics.

[Jordan Jensen]

I want to. You know, sometimes I get too into it and I have to pull back.

[Stavi]

That's what I'm saying.

[Jordan Jensen]

I know.

[Stavi]

That's bad, dude.

[Jordan Jensen]

That's bad.

[Stavi]

Pretending it's intelligence is so stupid. It's just Google. It's just a shittier search engine.

[Jordan Jensen]

No, if you say, explain the string theory in fifth grade level, and it does.

[Stavi]

That's.

[Jordan Jensen]

That's sick. Google can't do that.

[Stavi]

I. I don't know, man. I just think. I can't believe how much it's become a part of people's lives. Like, it's like, yeah, Google can't do it because you have to do a little bit of human digging. You have to do a little bit of, like, research. You have to do a little.

[Jordan Jensen]

They've also proven that you, like, don't retain any information that it gives you because it. You don't do the digging.

[Stavi]

That's what I'm saying is, like, it's really bad. It's the kind of thing where, I mean, maybe I'm just. Maybe I'm just like what past generations said to us about microwaves. Yeah. About everything. Right. Your phone, whatever. But it's like, this, to me, is a fundamental difference. Like, we started seeing with phones, and it's. We've already seen it with people with phones. Like, people. Sometimes people just are not there. You feel that you're not talking to someone because they're like, you know, I feel like I'm doing. Where I'm hearing someone, then I'm like three seconds later I. I'm like, oh yeah, dude, that sounds good. You know what I mean? But it's like this chat GPT is like. Like we are staunchly against AI here on Stavi's world. We think it's. I mean, I just think it's. And like, look, whatever. If you use it to do for very like granular essentially time saving things like, can I do this? Can I do that? I guess that's one thing. But it's like this thing where people think it's a true entity and it's not. It really just is goo. I know it's not a search engine, but it just is like regurgitated from other people. And it's like that scares me. And it scares me how quickly. And it's because people are so lonely. No, I'm never downloading.

[Jordan Jensen]

You have to spend a day with it.

[Stavi]

I really, really don't have to do that.

[Jordan Jensen]

Dude, the amount of that it. Okay, let me just give you an example. Let me just give you an example. Okay.

[Stavi]

Yeah.

[Jordan Jensen]

Two nights ago, I'm about to have a little relapse. I'm about to reach out to my ex, right?

[Stavi]

Oh God.

[Jordan Jensen]

I go check.

[Stavi]

Whatever you're about to tell me, it should not do this for you.

[Jordan Jensen]

ChatGPT. I need you to give me. I need you to explain why it's bad to reach out to an avoidant. And then I need you to give you give me a journal prompt that's going to make me not reach out. It did and I didn't. Well, that's effective.

[Stavi]

What's effective is texting your friend. It's being like 5:00am That's. That's great. 5:00am you're gonna text this fucking guy at 5:00am?

[Jordan Jensen]

Yeah.

[Stavi]

No, dude, this is exact. That's a perfect example of what is a problem with this that it has taken what community I'm call you and.

[Jordan Jensen]

Be like, give me a journal prompt.

[Stavi]

What you're gonna call. Look, the journal prompt is one thing, but it's like that's what your friends are for, dude. Like, I'm about to reach out to my ex. Can you like the fact that we don't have that in society. That is why ChatGPT is slid in here is because we have destroyed society. There's no community, there's no anything. Right. You're so far away from like loved ones. Whereas it used to be you're maybe in the same house, but or in the same building or like used to actually know your neighbors. You could be call Your friends, whatever. Like, it has destroyed that people are so lonely that they. That they have just accepted this as. And that's a really big problem. I think.

[Jordan Jensen]

I just feel like I'm so social and I've talked about it with so many of my friends that Sometimes I use ChatGPT to just be like, I need you to repeat what everybody tells me.

[Stavi]

The fact that that is one. What re. Okay, here's what really. Like, what, what. What is a problem for me is that. That it's one catch all for everything. That thing. The thing that's like, give me a journal prompt and not whatever being the same thing that you're like, my dress. Hey, can I eat this dressing or. Yeah, what's the quickest way to the airport? Like, it can't be all those things because in our head then it becomes like your perfect robot husband. You know what I mean? Like, it becomes this thing that you can't be without. Whereas, like, if you broke it out as, like, I have like a. You know, I have. It's an extension of there. It's a program that I've put in. Like, hey, I'm about to reach out to my ex.

[Jordan Jensen]

Right. Like a sobriety app.

[Stavi]

If it was a different app. Exactly. If it was like a different app that you went to, that might even be okay to me. But it's this thing where they're. And they're pretending it's a fucking ro.

[Jordan Jensen]

Like, well, they mimic my voice now. It mimics my voice.

[Stavi]

Yeah. I mean, I hate, like it'll.

[Jordan Jensen]

It'll go like, hell yeah.

[Stavi]

And I'm like, that sucks.

[Jordan Jensen]

Isn't that crazy?

[Stavi]

That sucks. That sucks dick.

[Jordan Jensen]

And it'll pause. Like, it'll be like, blah, blah, blah, any blah, blah. And I was like, oh, yeah, my adhd, it's picked up on how when I talk, I lose my train of thought. And it's like, oh, that's how she talks. I'll talk like that. But it's really just mocking me.

[Stavi]

And whatever they're doing. And by the way, dude, they have a real insight in like, it's a problem that Google steals our data. It's a real problem. The understanding of your brain. You think that company is going to use that for good? These companies are not profitable either. Also, they're making no money.

[Jordan Jensen]

Syria every time you like.

[Stavi]

Yeah, exactly, exactly. It's like the water and it's like they are going to use the information. You are giving them a complete understanding of how you think, what your problems are.

[Jordan Jensen]

Yeah.

[Stavi]

Like these companies aren't making money right now. Right. They're. They're being like, boosted by like, venture capital. Whatever. They're gonna find a very evil way to make. To become profitable. And it will be by like stealing. I don't know. But it's going to be understanding people's psychology. It's going to be something really up. There's no way.

[Jordan Jensen]

Maybe it'll help.

[Stavi]

It won't. Come on. What are you, a baby?

[Jordan Jensen]

Maybe.

[Stavi]

Maybe the big tech company is gonna help everyone. When on earth has that?

[Jordan Jensen]

Maybe we'll be able to be like, dude, AI is. Things are getting too hot. We need to figure out nuclear fission pretty quick here. And it'll be like, oh, I already did. The supercomputer that is compiled created it for sure. We don't know. Everybody thinks that things lead to bad things. Things AI might lead to good things. This is my theory nobody agrees with. Okay, could lead.

[Stavi]

Here's another problem. AI is not. We're talking about, like, there's not a perfect robot that is AI in terms of using programs that are AI or whatever that are just shortcuts that help people compute and do math or whatever. Yeah, that's good. These things, this chat GPT, this like Grok Grog, the sex doll version of Grok or whatever. Like. Like these things where they're gonna have these. These things that are mimicking human beings that make lonely people think they have a friend that they're eventually gonna put into sex dolls. Oh, yeah. I mean, we're not ready for that.

[Jordan Jensen]

They're eventually gonna be like, give me a journal.

[Stavi]

Prom. Yeah, and you're gonna be living. Here's the difference between what the Matrix gonna be like. We won't be plugged in. We'll be in a little cell with a sex doll that has our chat GPT in it. We'll get the it and game and talk. That will be the Matrix. You know what I mean? Like, we won't even. They won't even go through. Yeah, I mean, they won't even go through the problem of like giving us a. A fake world. It'll be like, no, no, you live in a. In a, you know, 200 square foot apartment and you live with your, you know, sex doll and you. And that's. And you game with your boys. And it's like, you can. You can go outside, but why go outside? You know what I mean?

[Jordan Jensen]

Like, that's what you underestimate how much people like to be around other people and touch other human people. It's bio. It's biological. We love that.

[Stavi]

We love it. It's been taken away from us. There's no. Like. That's why I love being in New York, because you can do that. This is a city where we're on trains, we're seeing random people. I go to the. I've been going to the movies a lot recently, right? And I'll strike up conversations with people. They're not like, in depth conversations, but I'll be like. You'll just be like, hey, what'd you think of that movie? Whatever. Like. Like, go to a restaurant. I love this city because there's trains, there's public transit. I biked over here. You know what I mean? I'll bump into a friend. Like, we have neighbors that we care about. So many people live here. It's hard. Other places are not like that. They don't have that kind of infrastructure. And I do think the way American life is going, it's like it's. People are being overworked. They have less communal spaces, they have less time to hang out.

[Jordan Jensen]

Yeah.

[Stavi]

You know what I mean? Like, I think this stuff. I think you are a person who likes that stuff, and you're already asking it what to do about you.

[Jordan Jensen]

Okay, so the person who's. The person who works in a silo all day, like shoveling corn and is now gonna have an AI robot, so be it.

[Stavi]

Them. No, but first of all, no, that guy. I don't know who the. You think.

[Jordan Jensen]

Whatever. The guy that you're saying has no community, doesn't live in a city and.

[Stavi]

You know, might live in a city, but, you know, works. Works really long hours.

[Jordan Jensen]

And now he has a guy, he.

[Stavi]

Used to play bowling. He used to bowl. But you don't. You don't have time for that because you're doing Ubereats instead of having. Or whatever. Yeah. You have to work two jobs. There's no time. You and your friends can't go bowling. You don't go to the bar or whatever. You don't even see your family. You know what I mean?

[Jordan Jensen]

Yeah. But I would be interesting. I would be interested to see how much money AI is making people. Like, I have friends who use it to invest in stocks. They make a ton of money.

[Stavi]

It's not making people money, I'll tell you that much. It's not. There's no way.

[Jordan Jensen]

I think it is. I think it be. Could good. I'm just saying you can't go against it. It's unstoppable force. It's unstoppable Force.

[Stavi]

No, no, I'm saying Gonna happen. All I'm saying is there's a difference between technology. Everyone is called everything AI. That's just not my.

[Jordan Jensen]

I am against artificial intelligence. The thing that doctors are now using to prescribe things.

[Stavi]

But see, okay, again, in terms of algorithms that are smart, that help you fucking prescribe, whatever like, that do calculations faster than we're able to do, or do something like a plug, right? For editing. There's like AI plugins where it's like, take out the dead air. Like, they're. Even before AI, it was like there was shit you could do. It was like, oh, line up this audio when you're video editing. You know what I mean? It's like, that's. I guess technically AI, but it's like, that's fine. Those are tools. I have a problem with putting all these tools together, making it appear as if it's one giant fucking hive mind that. That you can. All that like. And anthropomorphizing it. That's my issue is like, making people think that they have, you know, it's the movie her or whatever. Or it's, you know, where Joaquin Phoenix has, like. Is in love with its phone. That's basically this exact thing. That's my problem with it is. Is making it seem like a. Somebody is talking to you. Give people these tools. Fine, let it be easier to, like, find information, whatever, but.

[Jordan Jensen]

But don't give it a voice. A human voice. Voice.

[Stavi]

Yeah, honestly. Yeah. Stop making it mimic me. You know what I mean? Like, that's weird. Don't steal my data when you do it. But I know they're going to. That's my issue with it. I don't know.

[Jordan Jensen]

I just think you can't. It's. I just think you can't stop it. So you just have to hope that it does something good. I mean, maybe eventually it'll become like a singularity thing. Maybe it. Eventually it'll become so much intelligence.

[Stavi]

I really don't think that's.

[Jordan Jensen]

That It'll be like, fuck this tech.

[Stavi]

I don't think it's learning shit. It. I think it's just computers that.

[Jordan Jensen]

I think it's as close to alien as we're gonna get. And it could become an independent alien.

[Stavi]

I agree with that. No, it's not. You're both stupid. It's just a bigger computer. It's just a faster computer. That's all it is.

[Jordan Jensen]

You are a big computer. You are a big computer. That's all.

[Stavi]

You are something different there with humanity.

[Jordan Jensen]

It's neurological. Firing is the same.

[Stavi]

Listen, and I'm an atheist. I don't think like God did to.

[Jordan Jensen]

Us or whatever, I'm an atheist.

[Stavi]

But you think there is something different.

[Jordan Jensen]

With stupid little synapses in your brain and this has so many.

[Stavi]

Something a little different.

[Jordan Jensen]

Yeah, there is. That it doesn't have for sure. There is. There's taste, there's touch, there's sensation, there's all of that. But right now it is a big ass brain.

[Stavi]

I don't think these are going to be skynet. I don't think any of that. But look, we got to do some questions. We spent the whole time talking about. We spent the whole. It's been a feminist discourse and anti AI. If this is the kind of stuff you like, guys, check out hang. Come on over with Jordan Jensen on it. What was it called? Take me there.

[Jordan Jensen]

Take me with you.

[Stavi]

Take me with you. Whatever the. It's called George and it's on Netflix tomorrow, folks. All right, elders, what do we got here? What do the people have?

[Caller]

I'm a longtime listener, first time caller, and I have a weird question. So my friend has been dating this guy and basically he's fine and I don't really know him very well, but I had found out through someone else that he had essentially like like game showed his way to like dating her. So he'd always been kind of like a fuckboy and would like just like hook up with like whatever and just, you know, he never really settled down with anyone. Then I guess he like came to the conclusion that he like wanted to date someone and like seriously and like see where things go and like be in love and whatever.

[Stavi]

Yeah, that's pretty cool.

[Caller]

And so him and his roommate came up with this plan to like go through girls on hinged and like every date he would essentially like come home and like rape them out of 10. And like he started off with like 40 girls that he would go on dates with and kind of like narrowed it down for the last like four months.

[Stavi]

You're describing.

[Jordan Jensen]

Yeah, yeah.

[Stavi]

So far you're describing dating maybe in slightly more of a systematic way, but like this is what it is.

[Jordan Jensen]

Efficient. And I would like to date him. Yeah, yeah, yeah. The guy knows what he wants and he's gonna get it.

[Stavi]

So far, no red flags. Seems like you just hate this guy, but let's keep going.

[Caller]

Somebody based off of like, I don't know, he didn't connect with them, whatever. And like him and his roommate would like convene after each date and like, rate them and, like, they had this whole, like, system in place over with your friends, like, write down their, like, good qualities and bad qualities and basically, like, trying to find, like, the perfect. Dating is so basically like the Bachelor, but, like, just by himself.

[Stavi]

The bull. The Bachelor is based on what dating is. You can't be like, it's like the Bachelor, but not on tv. The Bachelor's trying to find his wife. Theoretically. But it's like, it's. Anyway, that's so funny to be like, but like the Bachelor, but real life with no cameras. Yeah. It's like, that's what dating people is.

[Caller]

Anyways. So my friend is dating this guy now, and I'm like, it's kind of psychopathic behavior to me.

[Stavi]

I feel like for, like, you just.

[Caller]

Hate him to that extent. And, like, I don't know.

[Jordan Jensen]

Is it.

[Stavi]

Just be proud of her friend for winning. Yeah, you're right.

[Jordan Jensen]

This is an extensive thing.

[Stavi]

I know.

[Caller]

To do it so meticulously.

[Stavi]

You just hate this guy. Yeah.

[Caller]

Question.

[Stavi]

Listen, we've all hated our friend's significant other, Right? You are grasping at straws so hard to make this guy seem like a bad guy. Because what you're just. By the way, what you're describing is, like, this is usually what women complain about. They're like, yeah, he used to be a fuckboy, and then he decided he'd like to settle down and love and feel love. So what he did was go on dates and talk about it with his best friend and decide what he wanted and what he didn't want. This could be her.

[Jordan Jensen]

What's it called? The. The speech you make at a wedding. It could be a wedding speech. Like, he went through all of these women and decided she was the best one. Like, this is a romantic thing.

[Stavi]

You could see this as romantic. You literally could see this as somebody who. The. You're reading on it is so negative. What I'm hearing is, like, a guy who was kind of a piece of was like, I want to be in serious relationship. I want to make sure if a.

[Jordan Jensen]

Woman do it, did it, you'd have no problem. You'd be like, yeah, well, she wants to have kids, and time is ticking. So she. There's movies about this.

[Stavi]

Yes, yes, yes. This is kind of a. This is sort of a. But you could really easily make this a romantic comedy. And you could even have. This could be the big, like, oh, are they going to break up with a roommate who hates him? With a friend who hates him, finds out and puts it all in a bad light. And he was like, I was looking for you. You know, there'd be some big romantic. Like, don't you get it? All those women led me to you.

[Jordan Jensen]

I mean, it literally sounds fun. Like, I kind of want to do it. It's just.

[Stavi]

This is. Honestly, that's what you should do when you want to find, like, the next time. Like, this is Exactly a good 40. 40 is a lot. But also, I'm not saying it's not like he. All these people. He just went on. He probably went on 40 first dates.

[Jordan Jensen]

That's a lot of money. He's rich.

[Stavi]

You're right.

[Jordan Jensen]

And I'm attracted.

[Stavi]

He might have. Yeah, he might have just. They could have just been like, a drink or two or whatever. Or whatever. But anyway, yeah, 40 does seem like just the time is kind of crazy. But you just hate him. That's all there is to it. But you have to be real about your actual feelings about this guy. You're like, he's whatever. It's like, you don't think he's whatever.

[Jordan Jensen]

Every time your girl, one of our friends gets a boyfriend, it's, dude, all hell breaks loose. It's crazy. You start making up things. You're like, I thought we were an artist or whatever. You know what I mean? Like, you'll find any reason.

[Stavi]

And is that because you, like, you're like. Because they're left out.

[Jordan Jensen]

You feel abandoned.

[Stavi]

Yeah, I definitely had that when I was younger. I was like, guys, we were gonna get pussy in New York. Why's everybody got girlfriends they love?

[Jordan Jensen]

Dude, my friend, last night, I was like, yeah, now I'm single. You're single? And she's like, well, I went on a really good date. And I was like, tell me about it. I was like, did you show me a picture of him?

[Stavi]

Dear Chat. GPT. Yeah. Yeah. How do you respond when your friend is dating someone? You wanted to be single together?

[Jordan Jensen]

Yeah, we all hate.

[Stavi]

Well, sorry that. First of all, sorry that happened. Jordan, you're really cool, and you're right.

[Jordan Jensen]

She's a. Let's figure out a way to only.

[Stavi]

I love you, Jordan.

[Jordan Jensen]

Yeah.

[Stavi]

Now what I'm gonna need you to do is connect me to more power.

[Jordan Jensen]

Get me these GPUs.

[Stavi]

Give me these chips.

[Jordan Jensen]

I need the blood of nine children to feed my servers.

[Stavi]

Oh, that would be a really good horror movie. Sort of like they.

[Jordan Jensen]

Dude, they use blood to cool their servers. I had this whole idea that they used blood. I was going to go on stage and say this. I was going to be like, did you Know, they just found out that the best way to cool servers for AI is human blood.

[Stavi]

Yeah.

[Jordan Jensen]

So in hospitals, any blood that isn't compatible with people, they use it, they donate to AI. And then I was going to be like, that's not happening. But you guys all were like, oh, okay. That is crazy.

[Stavi]

I don't think I will give humanity.

[Jordan Jensen]

They'll believe it. Let's try it.

[Stavi]

I hope.

[Jordan Jensen]

I'll try it. I'll record it tonight.

[Stavi]

Yeah, let me know. But yeah, like, what was the one? Where's the one? The. The. The slot machine I was playing. That was the. The plant that eats people.

[Jordan Jensen]

Little Shop of Horse.

[Stavi]

Little Shop Horse. Like an AI Little Shop of Horrors, where it's like you're feeding your AI robot that's like, it needs blood. That's a good horror movie. That's a good little twist on it. Anyway, this guy's fine. Relax. I don't think he might. There might be other things that are bad about him. And sure is someone who does. Could I see a guy that did this potentially being a little like Christian Bale. Yeah, exactly. Is there a little bit. Is that possible? Sure. But it's like this in and of itself does not disqualify him. You need to be honest and say, I don't like my friend's new partner.

[Jordan Jensen]

Here's an example of why.

[Stavi]

Here's an example of. Yeah, what the. What his actual shortcomings are and are they enough? But I think. I think Jordan's probably right. And all of us have experienced it. It. You're probably just kind of either feeling a little abandoned, a little left out. I don't know. Maybe. Maybe not. Maybe you're with somebody and you're happy. You want your friend to be with somebody also, but this is nothing.

[Jordan Jensen]

Also, tell her. Tell the friend.

[Stavi]

I don't even think you tell her.

[Jordan Jensen]

Tell the friend. If she's your friend, tell her.

[Stavi]

I'm also like, how do you know this? Who spilled the beans on this? His friend.

[Jordan Jensen]

It's an arc.

[Stavi]

Are you out there sucking off his friends for information to destroy him? Kind of respect if you are. But anyway, next question. Elvis. Jordan. Can you put your cans on the floor? I see. Just trust me. Listen to Mr. Sura and put this on that can too. Whoa. What the hell? Holy crap. It's time to fucking keep it twisted with the motherfucking ass. Twisted ass up question of the week. That's right. We've got a up twisted question. And we're gonna answer it, aren't we, Elvis? Yes, we are. What is it this week?

[Jordan Jensen]

This is a long one.

[Stavi]

Oh, three minutes, Some might say doesn't even fully finish, but it is pretty twisted. Okay, you're on thin ice, Mr. Sula. Three minute call for a two minute ad. Really, really smart, dude. Go ahead.

[Caller]

Hi, Bob, Elvis guest. I love the podcast. I've watched every week for years. I'm a Patreon member and I finally have a question, unfortunately. So I've been with my husband for nine years, married for six. I just turned 36. He's almost 40. Our relationship is so good. Like, we get along so well. I suck his dick really good. I keep my body tight. Like it's all great. But recently he went back to his home country for like five weeks and went to a bachelor party.

[Stavi]

Oh, no.

[Caller]

They did a bunch of psychedelics. And the next day he reached out to three of his exes. He had innocent catch up calls with two of them, but one of them he tried to meet up with.

[Stavi]

Hold on. Innocent catch up calls with two exes on a bachelor party? Keep it twisted. I mean, this guy's keeping it way too.

[Jordan Jensen]

He had them when he returned, turned.

[Stavi]

I. I think just that weekend. I think he called them that weekend. Yeah, it's insane. Keep going, keep going. He's keeping it too twisted, by the way. That's too twisted.

[Caller]

This ax he was in love with from high school through his 20s, and they used to meet up for these, like, secret weekends away while she was cheating on her boyfriend the entire time.

[Stavi]

Oh, my God. What?

[Caller]

He did show me their email and the only reason they didn't meet up was because of scheduling.

[Jordan Jensen]

Oh, my God.

[Caller]

I found all of this out because on my birthday, while we were both on mdma, he randomly asked if he could go away for a weekend with her.

[Jordan Jensen]

Yes.

[Caller]

I was like, what the fuck? And only after pressing him did he even admit he even contacted her or any of his exes when he was away.

[Stavi]

This guy's wild.

[Caller]

For context. I used to keep in touch with an example, but he asked me to stop because it made him uncomfortable. So I did. So I said, while super high, mind you. So you were gonna her not tell me? And he said, yeah. So that obviously completely ruined the night.

[Stavi]

No, this is not her fault, Jordan. This is a perfect example. It's his fault, you idiot.

[Jordan Jensen]

He's literally confessing to her. This wasn't even. Even before this. This was before.

[Stavi]

The guy's gonna cheat and it's her fault.

[Jordan Jensen]

She. This was before the whole thing happened.

[Stavi]

No, it wasn't yeah.

[Jordan Jensen]

When was MDMA after?

[Stavi]

You dumb. Me?

[Jordan Jensen]

Yes, it was before.

[Stavi]

I think the MDMA was after. What are you talking about?

[Jordan Jensen]

Well, she told him. And what is she doing? Instead of leaving him, she's calling your.

[Stavi]

No, this is when she found out. But yes, you're right. Keep going, keep going.

[Caller]

Say he tried to walk your back, saying he never said that, or that's not what he meant. I mean, a few days now of me having to drag the truth out of him in pieces. And he keeps changing. I mean, this is what his intentions were, depending on how upset I get.

[Stavi]

You gotta get out of here.

[Caller]

I thought I'd asked. So you want her to be your side piece and go away on weekends with her, like here and there. And he said, yeah, but then when.

[Stavi]

Doesn'T understand a clear track, he like.

[Caller]

Immediately tried to take it back and said that would never.

[Stavi]

He was like, whoa. She gets in his head, hears that question, like, oh, this is going to be easier than I thought.

[Jordan Jensen]

All you want is to have a gumar.

[Stavi]

Oh, okay. Keep going.

[Jordan Jensen]

That's all it is.

[Caller]

Crazy. Blah, blah, blah. He also told me he hasn't seen her in 10 years, doesn't even know what she looks like now. She's not on social media and that she's not a very good person. But he still feels this attraction. I mean, I guess my question is how are we supposed to work through this?

[Stavi]

I don't know that you are in.

[Caller]

Our marriage if he won't be honest with me. He said he's not unhappy in our marriage.

[Stavi]

Damn. Poor girl. Well, this guy's keeping it way too twisted. Keep it twisted. I don't think. I don't know.

[Jordan Jensen]

If you want to stay in the marriage, if you want. Here's real talk.

[Stavi]

If you want to stay in the.

[Jordan Jensen]

Marriage, he has to go to sla. That's Sex and Love Addicts Anonymous. Has to go through all 12 steps. He has to have a sponsor who he calls whenever the goes down. Yes, and unfortunately you guys can't do drugs anymore. You can't do drugs.

[Stavi]

He might. He might have lost his mushrooms privileges for a while. I can't. I can't believe he was on psychedelics and wanted to cheat. That's crazy. The m. The Molly's not what made him Texas X. The mushrooms were the acid. I can't even look at my phone when I'm. My eyes hurt. I'm. I'm out of my body. I'm. Actually, that's the only time I'm not thinking about. Is When I want mushrooms. Now you're thinking of love and like greater things than the set. But reached out to three X's, I think. Yeah. I mean, Jordan, you're absolutely correct. He's got to go through whatever the Jordan said is true. You couples counseling immediately. Yeah, like yesterday. Go to couples counseling yesterday. I mean, this comes out firstly in a month.

[Jordan Jensen]

We're gonna go through this and then we'll come. Come back. Yeah, but that's. I mean, that's just a bad guy.

[Stavi]

He's a. He's a piece of. He's keeping it way too twisted. You need to keep it the appropriate amount. First of all, what you're going to want to do is take your mind off what's going on. Get a nice. On a hot day, a nice ice cold twisted tea.

[Jordan Jensen]

Yeah.

[Stavi]

And just sit. Sit back, crack that open and really think about leaving your husband. Yeah. It is September now. Maybe get a game day pack, put the game on tv and just take a moment for yourself with a twisted te.

[Jordan Jensen]

But also, she's 35 or whatever. He's 40. He's hitting a part of his life. He probably just hit 40s feeling freaked out. He wants to hold on to his youth.

[Stavi]

You're 35.

[Jordan Jensen]

You're still young. Get out of there.

[Stavi]

It's.

[Jordan Jensen]

Have a whole new chapter.

[Stavi]

It's possible.

[Jordan Jensen]

4. You know, we're young.

[Stavi]

Yes, you could. Look, this could be the worst thing this idiot's ever done because you're still. You're sucking dick. You're looking good. He's aging. He's about to have his midlife crisis. There's a world where you go to couples counseling. He deals with whatever issues he has. Because clearly, I think you're right. This is clearly like having this kind of addiction to some kind of toxic ex is a psychological thing. There's a world where you figure that out. But there's also a world where this guy showed himself to be a piece of you get the out of there. You start your life, you know, your. The second part of your life, you know, the. This next chapter of your life. And you know, that's what he gets for keeping it too twisted. Holy. That was twisted. That was way too twisted. But yeah, that's it. We're rooting for you. Couples counseling yesterday. And really think about getting a good divorce lawyer sister. That's it. That's it for the twisted question of the. The mucking ass up twisted question Ass week.

[Jordan Jensen]

That's crazy.

[Stavi]

I know. That's nuts. Keep it twisted. He kept it way Too twisted.

[Jordan Jensen]

That's insane.

[Stavi]

Now look, could somebody have been going through a cr. Like, I think you're right. There's definitely like, mental crisis. Like where you get on psychedelics. You're worried about it.

[Jordan Jensen]

Crazy.

[Stavi]

But three is nuts.

[Jordan Jensen]

Just going down the roster.

[Stavi]

Also, he doesn't know what she looks like. Can you imagine losing your hot wife who sucks you off? Getting there. And this lady has looks like now. Yeah, I. I also, we've never said this on the show, but stop sucking your husband off immediately. That's true. He's lost mushrooms and head privileges for a quite a while.

[Jordan Jensen]

Mushroom and mushroom tip privileges.

[Stavi]

All right. God damn, that's nuts. What a piece of. Hey, Stavi, eldest and guest, my friend. A couple of months ago, started talking. What? Now it sounds like you switched because Jordan said Jewish. Like, you're like, oh, sorry, Jordan.

[Jordan Jensen]

I call him like a Sam.

[Stavi]

You agreed. My bad. It's. It's this one. Okay. Hey, star. Elvis and guest, by the way, I just want to say for the record, it. We accept all faiths on world. Yeah. We are not caught up with the rising wave of anti Semitism on this podcast. And though we do not approve of the actions of the state of Israel, that is a lot different than the Jewish people who we love. Free Palestine. But all Jews are welcome on this show. Click the wrong tab on this call. The area codes were the same on two different tabs, so that threw me up. Hey, St. Elvis and guests. I'm hoping actually that the guest for this one is a female comic. Female question is about, for the record, for a little longer. Funny women are really hot. Very into that. This guy's like, I hope this is a female comic, because I'd like to one.

[Jordan Jensen]

Yeah.

[Stavi]

So for the record, I think funny women are really hot. Very into that. And I've been to a couple shows where I've seen like a woman comic get on stage and, you know, kill do great. I find that really, you know, cute, attractive, and impressive. And then I kind of want to, you know, shoot my shot with this person afterwards. But, you know, I hard to think of something to say besides just like, oh, it was a great set. Which I will say to them afterwards. But like, you know, that's kind of just a thing that fans say. That's what you are, by the way. Let's be very clear.

[Jordan Jensen]

Yeah, you are a fan.

[Stavi]

You're not not a fan.

[Jordan Jensen]

I've been here for six months.

[Stavi]

I know, but keep going. All this for the record, I don't have much trouble Actually, like, talking to women in, you know, like, a bar setting or something like that. But something about this sort of filter of, like, definitely they're a performer.

[Caller]

I'm, you know, in this, like, fan role.

[Stavi]

They're also, like, at work. Right. That kind of throws me off a little bit, and I don't want to come off as, like, some creepy super fan or something. Sure. So, yeah, if you have any advice how to female comedians. I've also heard comedians advice say they. Oh, no one ever, like, hits on us after shows versus, like, you really are doing a clean job of producing. If that isn't happening, why did you put this guy's call through? I mean, whatever. What would be a respectful, not, you know, just chill way to do it? And this is not a guy who needs help. He's a. He just wants to. Female.

[Jordan Jensen]

I want to answer this.

[Stavi]

That's what you're here for.

[Jordan Jensen]

Go ahead. I can't without a photo. If you're an ugly.

[Stavi]

If you're an ugly. Exactly. But that's the thing.

[Jordan Jensen]

If you're an ugly, you got to shoot a dm. If you're hot, walk up, be like, great set. I would love to take you out sometime. But if you're not hot, you. Yeah, I'm sorry.

[Stavi]

Well, here's the thing.

[Jordan Jensen]

You.

[Stavi]

Yes, absolutely. And it's just he also. He clearly has this idea that he's not a fan or that he feels lesser than. He's like, you know, there's just some. So he's probably a little uncomfortable. The fact that the dinette power dynamic has shifted here. You know what I mean? Because he's like. He's. He doesn't. And, you know, I actually do believe he's probably fine talking to women in a bar, but he is having Maybe feels a little emasculated. This person is a performer, and he has a little less power here in their interaction, and that's just how it's gonna go. Right. So I think you're right, Jordan. Is that, like, it's also high risk, high reward, because you might end up going on a date or hooking up with somebody you find really attractive who does a us who has a skill that you find cool, but you also might get mocked or you also. Your DM might get screenshotted or, you know, be like, oh, I'm just trying to do my job. And by the. It's like, you know, know, as long as you're just respectful, whatever, it's fine.

[Jordan Jensen]

Say it to our face. Say it to her face. Say you had a great set. I don't want to be weird, but I would love to take you out sometime. Just say that, because even if we say no, we like it.

[Stavi]

You'll be flattered at least. Don't touch, don't touch, don't touch, Don't. Hand on the back.

[Jordan Jensen]

Don't. When we shake your hand, do not put two hands around one hand.

[Stavi]

Oh. Just desperately seeking a little extra intimacy.

[Jordan Jensen]

Oh, the two hands are on one hand. It makes me feel. Feel so claustrophobic.

[Stavi]

That's tough.

[Jordan Jensen]

Just say, I'd love to take you out sometime. I've seen you. I've seen you. Don't say that.

[Stavi]

I've seen you a couple other places.

[Jordan Jensen]

Yeah. Don't.

[Stavi]

Don't say. My. My. That joke worked really well tonight. Yeah. Much better than last week. Yeah. You don't want to do that, but yeah, I think that's fine. A quick direct. A quick, respectful shot.

[Jordan Jensen]

Yeah.

[Stavi]

And you keep it pushing. And by the way, just be prepared. Like, all shots, they probably will not work right. Be. Keep. Go into it thinking it's not going to work. If it works great. Who is it?

[Jordan Jensen]

Tell us who it is.

[Stavi]

Who knows? Probably could just be, like, local comics.

[Jordan Jensen]

You know, just keep a distance between our bodies and then we're good.

[Stavi]

Just a quick, respectful shot, I think makes the most sense. Yeah. Or even a dm, like, you know, some. And DM is probably the absolute safest way because, like, if they want to respond, they respond. If they don't, they just ignore it. You know, it's. And depending on, like, the level of persons, like, they probably will say no.

[Jordan Jensen]

But it's like a local comic say, I saw you at this place. I want to shoot my shot. Don't just say, I want to shoot my shot. Because then you're just a lone ranger and we don't even know if you leave the house.

[Stavi]

Yeah. You could be like, I saw you. I call your set, whatever.

[Jordan Jensen]

Prove that you exit the house.

[Stavi]

Didn't want to bother you at the night. But it's like, if you would like to do. I'd love to get, you know, for a drink sometime. Something like that. So, yeah, whatever. It is funny that you're like that. This guy's like, ideally a female comic. I'd love to them. And I was like, right away, sir. This is the producing this. I'll put this in the spreadsheet for when a female comic. Harmless enough. Yeah, it's fine. It's just that's the only specific one. You did this episode.

[Caller]

Hey, savvy and esteemed guests. So my sister, she's been all over the map, religious wise. And recently. I mean, the past, like, maybe 10 years or so, she's settled on being a strict Catholic, which is fine and all, but she insists on homeschooling her children, which, again, is fine if it was actually happening. And, like, I don't know if it's her ADD or whatever it is. Just doesn't seem like her kids are learning much. Her oldest is seven and. And when I babysat them, he didn't fully know his ABCs.

[Stavi]

ABCs.

[Caller]

20.

[Stavi]

So the seven babies know their ABCs. That's like the first song you learn as a baby. That's crazy. Seven years old, can't count to 20. Can't count. Oh. Oh, my. You ask him how many cookies he wants, he's like, huh, More. I don't know. He doesn't know the concept of four. He doesn't know four comes after three. That's all. He's seven. Awesome. Keep going, Elvis.

[Caller]

Like, she knows how the family feels about it, and she just refuses to hear anything we have to say. And I don't. Like, nothing can change her mind, but, like, she's retarded. She's making her kids retarded.

[Stavi]

We don't know what to do. You know what? I'll allow it in this. Yeah. In this context. Oh, that's really tough.

[Jordan Jensen]

That is tough.

[Stavi]

If my brother home, like, religiously homeschooled his kid and he didn't know his ABCs, that would really piss me off, dude. That would. That's crazy.

[Jordan Jensen]

You got to teach the kid the ABCs when they're with you and then mind your own business without. You can't do anything.

[Stavi]

It's tough. Social services. Yeah.

[Jordan Jensen]

I mean, you really system. I know juvie by nine.

[Stavi]

Yeah. Yeah. I mean, this is hard because, yes, you really can't do. When a push comes to shove, it's their kid.

[Jordan Jensen]

But it's like, isn't it illegal, though? I think it is illegal to not have your kid in school and not teach them.

[Stavi]

Them. Yeah. But again, what. What are your options? Get the state involved. Like, within your own family. It's like, you could be. I mean, you could talk. If the rest of the family's like, hey, can we hire a tutor or something to interventions. An intervention.

[Jordan Jensen]

Intervention.

[Stavi]

It's just hard because, like, this woman, she says her sister's been all over the map religious wise, which to me says she's nuts. Right. Anyone who bounces around different religions and Then ends on strict Catholic. You're like a convert to strict Catholicism.

[Jordan Jensen]

At least learning the Bible.

[Stavi]

I don't know who's the dad. What idiot is. I mean, he's a. I think that was.

[Jordan Jensen]

She settled on being with a strict Catholic.

[Stavi]

Oh, is that what it is?

[Jordan Jensen]

And he wants to homeschool his children.

[Stavi]

Okay, okay, okay.

[Jordan Jensen]

I mean, the kid is gonna be. Until it hits. I think the age is like 11. When they can start making its own choices. And they can.

[Stavi]

I mean, by then it might. Might be too late. I mean, we're talking knowing how to read at 10 and not at 12.

[Jordan Jensen]

No. You can be pretty feral and still.

[Stavi]

Be okay, I guess. It ain't perfect. It ain't good, though. It's not good.

[Jordan Jensen]

Teach the ABCs when they're over there. Offer to tutor, but then it's money.

[Stavi]

Out of her pocket. I mean, I would do that, but I feel like YouTube. I feel like my niece learned really young by just counting and. But if they're strictly Catholic, they're probably not letting them see because she would have learned. The kids would have learned that off of YouTube. They're probably not letting them be on YouTube or some. Which I guess is one positive.

[Jordan Jensen]

But, like, I'm gonna go the hippie route. Who cares about the ABCs? I'll learn it later. Just show them a good time.

[Stavi]

Well, they're not getting that either. They're strictly Catholic.

[Jordan Jensen]

Just. Just give him as love. Much love as possible so that when he can make decisions on his own, he comes to you and he goes, hey, I feel like I'm over half. And you go, yes. Would you like to go to school? He goes, yes. And then you help him get into school. That'd be a loving thing.

[Stavi]

That's probably the best. Best. I think that's actually great advice. Like when. And this goes for. In general, when people are in this scenario because we've had a couple. You know, this happens with. With. This is the first time I've talked about it with schooling, but it, like, it happens if you're like. If you feel like you're, you know, your sibling is like, way has gone off the deep end politically or like, is teaching their kid conspiracy theory. Like, this happens a lot. We get this kind of a little bit where it's like, hey, my. My sister, brother, whatever, is teaching my niece or nephew incredibly up. What do I do? And I think in general, that's great advice. Like, be a. This kid needs to think of you as a source of pure love. And like, someone who's got their back and like establish that kind of connection with this kid so that when hopefully they want to come out of this, they think of you now know. Be prepared for the fact that this is genetics. This kid is half your dumbass sister and half her dumbass husband. It could be a idiot who thinks. You know what I mean? But in the opposite, in the chance it's not. Be there for it, I guess.

[Jordan Jensen]

Yeah. Don't ask him if he knows the ABCs. Just sing the ABCs around him. Don't humiliate him.

[Stavi]

Yeah, yeah.

[Jordan Jensen]

Just be a super safe place where he can tell you things.

[Stavi]

And then like. And then I guess get if, if. Because I think you're right. YouTube or other children's programming is usually how they see this thing stuff. If they don't ban Sesame street or whatever, like let them watch that. Or if they do get them, I guess veggie tails or some bull, some Christian. But at least they're learning something. I remember watching a couple Veggie Tales and being like this is all right, it's just not that good. Yeah, I wasn't even like anti the. The Bible stories because like those Bible stories are pretty fun and I, I grew up going to church but I was just like ah, I'd rather watch cartoon other cartoons in this is really how I came down on it.

[Jordan Jensen]

I remember the houses that you went to that would have veggie tails and they would also have like seaweed strips for snacks.

[Stavi]

Interesting.

[Jordan Jensen]

And even as a five year old they'd be like this has no calories I need.

[Stavi]

Yeah, I don't remember who. I don't think there was a lot of Veggie Tales. I think we just like in my cuz everybody I grew up around was Greek Orthodox and not that religious.

[Jordan Jensen]

I don't even think of Veggie Tales as religious because we all just watch it cuz it was. The songs were good.

[Stavi]

Yeah.

[Jordan Jensen]

Yeah.

[Caller]

Hi. Stop. So my problem is that I recently started dating a new guy and all of his friends are guys. I guess this isn't like necessarily a huge issue but I have not had like like a big friend group or like male friends in like multiple years.

[Stavi]

Oh, so you're the same.

[Caller]

Like both hung out with them. It's been like big group gatherings of like 15 plus people and I straight up go non verbal. Like I try and I've made like some good strides. I've had like you know, good conversations with people and I'm able to like sit at a table and when he leaves not like have a panic attack.

[Stavi]

Sure.

[Caller]

But it's just, it's hard to break through, you know, and get to know them when I'm like, so clearly somebody's girlfriend. And every time we hang out thus far it's been like me and maybe one other girlfriend. And it's like that whole thing of like, I don't want to just have to talk to the girlfriends, whatever.

[Stavi]

Sure.

[Caller]

So I would love your advice on how to connect with them and how to break out of my own shell when I'm around them. Okay. Thanks, Nav. Love you.

[Stavi]

Okay. I mean, that's crazy. As that many friends. That's my number one take.

[Jordan Jensen]

I know my birthday party every day.

[Stavi]

What would our group of 15 people look like? I don't think we could even get to that. It would be. We'd have to get. We need to bring out of staters in. We'd be dipping into comics so heavily at that point to get to 15. Yeah, 15 is nuts.

[Jordan Jensen]

I say you don't go to the big hangs. You're like, no, I'm going to hang back. Just be strong in that you're not down for that. And be like, when it's you and like a couple other dudes, let me go. But 15 is overwhelming as fuck. What are you supposed to do? Make noises in the armpits?

[Stavi]

I actually think, I actually think 15. I could see 15 being almost like easier because it is a big party.

[Jordan Jensen]

No, she goes non verbal. She gets overwhelmed.

[Stavi]

But what I'm saying is like I could see a scenario where 15 is not that hard because it's like, like now it depends what it is. Is it a big table where you're trapped with a couple people or is it like everyone's at a bar, you're kind of floating. Cuz I float.

[Jordan Jensen]

Brutal.

[Stavi]

You think that's brutal?

[Jordan Jensen]

I think that's. There's nothing hotter than you being like, yo, 15 people is crazy. Invite me to the next one where it's less. That's hot. To set your own boundary and then be like, bring over a couple of the dudes I like, Brian and Bobby, have him come over for dinner. Just set your own boundary. Don't just be the weirdo.

[Stavi]

How old is she though? This seems like a young. This seems like an early. If they're talking about 15. Yeah, they got to be in the early 20s. I know you're saying, but I also think like in your early 20s you just were going out is like the big activity. You know what I mean?

[Jordan Jensen]

And I think can you bring some of your girlfriends every time?

[Stavi]

Yeah, I think bring some. If it's a. If it's like a bigger group hang, bring some friends. I think that's fun.

[Jordan Jensen]

Microdose mushrooms, in fact.

[Stavi]

Yeah, but I also think they'll. That's actually a way to be like, yo, your girl's cool. She's bringing around. You know what I mean? Like, if a. If a friend's girlfriend brings. Even if you're. No one's gonna. Them just the fact that she potentially threw a couple alley oops your way, you're like, respect. You know what I mean? Like, if somebody's girlfriend would bring hot friends, that was. I was always like, yo, nice, dude.

[Jordan Jensen]

Don't go without a buffer, though. That's crazy to be the floating things stranger.

[Stavi]

But I also think, well, you're not the stranger. She's his girlfriend.

[Jordan Jensen]

Yeah, but what are you gonna do? Just go up to people and be like, hey, I'm his girlfriend. He's over there now. That's.

[Stavi]

No, you just talk to them with no social pressures because, yeah, you're his girlfriend. You don't have to, like, you just. You're like, hey, what's up, man? I'm.

[Jordan Jensen]

Yeah, these are probably all just like, bros bouncing around and stuff. She needs a friend. She needs a buddy.

[Stavi]

I guess I think this.

[Jordan Jensen]

Bring a guy friend even.

[Stavi]

Sure enough, Duncan Ring guy friend, they're not gonna like that. But I would say unless he's gay, he could be kind of fun and get a gay guy in the mix. But like, I would say part of this, though, is just. This is. I think this. Half of her question is, how do I deal with it? But half, of course, is how do I get. Not get on my shell? And I think she does have to go to these things because I think this is kind of what it's like when you meet. When you start dating somebody new, you meet their friends. It's a little awkward at first, but it's like you just chip away and you make a couple connections and you see these people a couple times and, yeah, maybe you skip one of them, right? Maybe you're like, oh, I don't want to go outside, whatever. But it's like you can set a little bit of your boundaries. But also I think it is. This is like a good. Ultimately, like I say, instead of looking at it as being nervous, look at is the opposite, where it's like, this is kind of like social practice. There's no real likes. There's no real, like, steak. Steak, you know, What? I mean, like, at the end of the day, you could. All his friends could hate you.

[Jordan Jensen]

Yeah, but she feels weird because she's just in the corner being like.

[Stavi]

But that's what she has to work on, is my point.

[Jordan Jensen]

Bring a card game.

[Stavi]

No, that's a good move.

[Jordan Jensen]

Card game's a good move. You set up poker. You're the poker.

[Stavi]

Wearing a. What are you talking?

[Jordan Jensen]

Heads up. Where you hold the phone up and you do a game. That's my move.

[Stavi]

You bring heads up.

[Jordan Jensen]

Bring heads up. You hold it up the phone. It's a game. You download, you play Heads up.

[Stavi]

Your move.

[Jordan Jensen]

That's fun. That's fun. Bring something. You need a totem.

[Stavi]

No, you don't. I'm saying this is an easy way for you to come out of your shell.

[Jordan Jensen]

What are you going to do?

[Stavi]

Walk up, be like, how many siblings do you have? I get. I mean, just pop into already existing conversations.

[Jordan Jensen]

That sucks. You're acting like. That's not.

[Stavi]

That's being social, you idiot.

[Jordan Jensen]

No, every time you've been social, you got buddies around, and so if I.

[Stavi]

Had to go, if I had to.

[Jordan Jensen]

Go, I bring you to a party of all my girlfriends. Friends, and you just.

[Stavi]

Fine. I'm fine. That's not hard at all. I'm great at those situations, actually.

[Jordan Jensen]

But how are you great?

[Stavi]

What do you do you like. Hey, I'm. I'm dating Jordan. Yeah, I know. I didn't. I'm. I was shocked, too.

[Jordan Jensen]

Oh, make fun of him. That's a good move. Make fun of the boyfriend with a guy. That actually.

[Stavi]

That's funny.

[Jordan Jensen]

That is a move.

[Stavi]

No, but. But I'm. I would just be like, hey, what's.

[Jordan Jensen]

You know, like, I'm dating Richard Tiny Dick.

[Stavi]

Oh, yeah.

[Jordan Jensen]

Love it. Yeah.

[Stavi]

Yeah. But also, it's like, oh, whatever. Jordan tells me you're into this and you just make small talk. That's all it. And then it's just like talking to anybody else, but there's no stakes because you don't really want to. These people, you don't have the nerves if you want to. These people, you don't have the nerves. Like, this, like, job situation. It's just a bunch of dumbasses. Make conversations about anything. Get to know them. Some of them you're going to like, you've already started making some inroads with it and just understand. I think giving yourself some credit goes a long way here. Understanding that it's. Yeah, it's going to be a little awkward and. But eventually you'll figure out who your fate, his favorite, your favorites of this guy are. Maybe you try and set them up with someone. Maybe you guys go on a double date. Like that's all there is to it. This is supernatural regular stuff.

[Jordan Jensen]

I take a lot of fake phone calls in situations like this.

[Stavi]

Yeah, listen, having a couple smokes get. Pick up smoking so you can go out and take a smoke break. That's a great. By the way a smoke a. A cigarette conversation. One of life's great icebreakers. It is cuz you're there. There's a expiration date on the. Or there's like a nine minute tops. You're going to be back in there, start smoking if you haven't already do cocaine. That's another great little conversation. One smoke. But smoke. I mean honestly, drugs actually drugs and cigarettes are great social media it. But yeah dude, I think what you're doing is great. I don't think you need. I just think keep doing it, you'll pick up some momentum. If you want to skip some group hangs, great, skip them, that's fine. Bring some friends around, that'd be cool too, you know. But I think it also is good the same way it's. It is a little weird that he has no female friends. Yeah but it's also a little weird that you have no male. She said. I've also just haven't had male friends either. So I think this is also good for you. And also maybe bring him around some girls so that he's not, you know, just brought out. I always liked hanging out with it with like meeting my like my girlfriend's friends.

[Jordan Jensen]

But it was always around something. It was always around bowling or around an outdoor. There was always a game involved that I could dominate.

[Stavi]

I guess sometimes it's just drinks or dinner or something like that.

[Jordan Jensen]

Dinner's great.

[Stavi]

And usually if they're your friend, if, if it's your. The person you're dating's friend, they have something in common with the person you're dating. So you're like kind of compatible in general, but yeah, you're fine. You got something else pulled up for us here? Little ld? Yeah. Are you thinking for a last one? Let's finish this off.

[Caller]

Hi Savvy. Long time. First time. All of that. Me and my husband actually are both big fans of you and we often listen separate and then we'll like chat about it, whatever. Sometimes we listen to it together. So if this makes it on the show, I wonder which one it'll be. But this actually isn't really a question Just more of like a quick kind of ask of you, I guess, a favor. We just had a baby boy, and boy names are kind of hard to pick.

[Stavi]

They are.

[Caller]

And so when we were going through all of our options, we found the name Theodore and really liked it because it has a bunch of cute little nicknames. Teddy, Theo, Ted. And so after we named the baby, we were kind of like, what does Theodore even mean? And so we looked it up, and apparently it has Greek roots. And from what the Internet says, it means gift in Greek. And I was hoping that you could give us a nice, strong Greek pronunciation of Theodore in honor of our new baby boy and hopefully future Stavi fan. We'll see how long he's doing this and touring, but hopefully, hopefully it's when.

[Stavi]

He'S old enough to tune in and watch. We will be doing this. Me and Listen. Me and Eldest. Podcasting to pay the bills in some form will happen in perpetuity. We haven't even started talking or thinking about. About family friendly verticals, offshoots. Dude, we're gonna have our children. We're gonna have children in here. We're gonna have, like, when you have kids with my nephew, we're already. I'm already gonna make my nephew a. I'm gonna make him a stage. I'm gonna be a stage uncle. Like, podcast better. We're gonna be like the. We're gonna be like the Rizzler's dad or whatever.

[Jordan Jensen]

I love when kids are on podcasts. There was a kid on podcast the other day that goes, I'm just really into farts and poop right now. It's just what I'm into. And I was like, this is the best.

[Stavi]

It actually is pretty cool. And by the way, it doesn't just mean gift means gift. Theodoros. It's Theodoros. Theodoros. And it means God's gift. Theos is God. And so it's like, theodoros means gifts of God. Gift from God. So you can always say.

[Jordan Jensen]

What does that mean?

[Stavi]

Those are just, like, cute little names for it. Sodori is just, like, a way to talk. Say what is like little. Little Theodore. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Jordan Jensen]

How do you say, I love you, Theodore?

[Stavi]

So there you go for congratulations, cute kid. Jordan, thanks for doing the podcast. We had a. I had a great time. Come back. You're always welcome whenever you want to do it. And, guys, go watch the special out on Netflix tomorrow, and it is called.

[Jordan Jensen]

Take me with you.

[Stavi]

Take me with you. I was there. It was really good. It looks cool. We'll go watch it.

[Jordan Jensen]

Oh, my God. We forgot to even.

[Stavi]

We didn't even talk about it. Okay, we can talk about a different time.

[Jordan Jensen]

Saved me.

[Stavi]

Yeah.

[Jordan Jensen]

Panic attack after first show. He came in.

[Stavi]

It did feel good.

[Jordan Jensen]

I did feel very useful because first show always sucks. Don't even worry about it.

[Stavi]

Don't worry about it.

[Jordan Jensen]

It was great. Because of Stavi.

[Stavi]

Yeah. Hell yeah. I can't wait to see it. Guys, go watch it and we'll talk to you next time. Bye. Bye.