Bonus #140 - Kush Brothers Vol. 21 w/ Maddy Smith [PATREON PREVIEW]

Summary

Stavvy's World - Episode Bonus #140: Kush Brothers Vol. 21 with Maddy Smith [Patreon Preview]

Release Date: August 7, 2025

In this bonus episode of "Stavvy's World," host Stavros Halkias engages in a candid and insightful conversation with guests Maddy Smith and the Kush Brothers. The episode delves into two primary topics: the quest for the perfect snack and the complex emotions surrounding paternity doubts and DNA testing. Below is a detailed summary capturing the key discussions, notable quotes, and overarching insights from the episode.

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1. The Quest for the Perfect Snack

Discussion Highlights:

The episode kicks off with a light-hearted debate on what constitutes the perfect snack, emphasizing the importance of craving satisfaction and convenience.

• Blake emphasizes the role of convenience and genuine craving, stating at [00:02], “it’s gotta be when I’m really craving it and it’s convenient.”

• Alex probes deeper, encouraging Blake to specify his preferences. Blake responds at [00:06], highlighting options like “a freshly baked cookie made with real butter available right down the street at a.m. p.m.,” or “a savory breakfast sandwich I can grab in just a second at a.m. p.m.”

• The conversation humorously morphs into a playful advertising pitch for AM PM, with Chris proclaiming at [00:22], “Stop by AM PM where the snacks and drinks are perfectly craveable and convenient. That's cravenience. AM PM Too much. Good stuff.”

• Blake introduces the "banana split cookie" from AM PM, detailing its ingredients at [00:32]: “All freshly baked with real butter with banana, chocolate and strawberry flavors.” The ensuing playful banter underscores the appeal and exclusivity of the treat.

Notable Quote:

Blake [00:32]: "The new banana split cookie from AM PM. All freshly baked with real butter with banana, chocolate, and strawberry flavors."

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2. Navigating Paternity Doubts and DNA Testing

Discussion Highlights:

Transitioning from snacks to more serious matters, the conversation shifts to Gavin's personal revelation about an unexpected pregnancy and subsequent paternity concerns.

• Gavin shares his situation at [01:00]: “After three months she got pregnant and I brought a two-year-old now. Beautiful healthy child by the way, still with the mother.”

• The group delves into the emotional turmoil of suspecting paternity. Finn at [02:34] sharply points out the gravity of Gavin's doubts: “You’re playing with fire.”

• Eli and Drew explore the moral and ethical implications of covert DNA testing. Drew suggests at [05:30], “...find out if it’s your kid," highlighting the need for certainty and peace of mind.

• The discussion intensifies as the group debates strategies for addressing paternity concerns without breaching trust. Finn warns against deceptive methods: “You’re engaging in weird sneaky behavior behind her back. That’s unnecessary.”

• Hayden introduces potential solutions, such as involving third-party services or public platforms like Maury, to facilitate open communication and testing.

• The conversation underscores the emotional complexity of such situations, balancing the need for truth with the potential fallout of mistrust.

Notable Quotes:

Gavin [01:00]: “After three months she got pregnant and I brought a two-year-old now. Beautiful healthy child by the way, still with the mother.”

Finn [02:34]: “You’re definitely playing with fire.”

Blake [No Timestamp]: "You wouldn't feel guilty or weird about it or anything."

Drew [05:09]: “This woman pregnant within two months of meeting her, it’s fair game.”

Finn [08:12]: "But then what if it’s not your kid? You go, you, you fucking bitch. I tested him when you were. I knew you were lying."

Insights and Conclusions:

The conversation highlights the delicate balance between seeking truth and maintaining trust within relationships. The group emphasizes the importance of open communication and ethical approaches when confronting paternity doubts. Covert actions, while seemingly tempting for immediate clarity, are discouraged due to their potential to irreparably damage trust and relationships.

Key Takeaways:

• Transparency is Crucial: Open dialogue between partners is essential when addressing doubts about paternity.

• Ethical Considerations: Covert actions, such as sneaking DNA tests, can lead to greater harm and mistrust.

• Emotional Impact: Navigating paternity concerns is emotionally taxing and requires sensitivity and support from all parties involved.

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3. Closing Remarks

The episode concludes with the group reflecting on the importance of trust, honesty, and ethical behavior in personal relationships. While the initial topic of snacks provided a humorous and relatable entry point, the subsequent deep dive into paternity issues offered rich, thought-provoking content for listeners navigating similar challenges.

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Note: Advertisements and non-content sections from the transcript were omitted to maintain focus on the core discussions and insights shared during the episode.

Transcript

[Alex]

What do you think makes the perfect snack?

[Blake]

Hmm, it's gotta be when I'm really craving it and it's convenient.

[Alex]

Could you be more specific?

[Blake]

When it's cravinient. Okay, like a freshly baked cookie made with real butter available right down the street at a.m. p.m. Or a savory breakfast sandwich I can grab in just a second at a.m. p.m.

[Alex]

I'm seeing a pattern here.

[Blake]

Well yeah, we're talking about what I.

[Alex]

Crave which is anything from AM pm.

[Blake]

What more could you want?

[Chris]

Stop by AM PM where the snacks and drinks are perfectly craveable and convenient. That's cravenience. AM PM Too much. Good stuff.

[Drew]

Mmm.

[Eli]

Mmm.

[Alex]

Oh, whatcha eating?

[Blake]

The new banana split cookie from AM pm All freshly baked with real butter with banana, chocolate and strawberry flavors.

[Alex]

Ah, that sounds amazing. Can I have a bite?

[Blake]

I'm sorry but no. But you can't split the banana split.

[Alex]

Not even a little.

[Blake]

Not even a crumb.

[Alex]

What if.

[Finn]

No, please. Mine.

[Chris]

When it's too legit to split. That's cravenience. Get a 3 pack for 99 cents with our app ampm. Too much good stuff plus tax where applicable. Prices and participation may vary. Terms and conditions apply.

[Gavin]

Low eldest and whatever maniac is guessed there. It's tough but you know, I had a kid with the woman that I met. After three months she got pregnant and I brought a two year old now. Beautiful healthy child by the way, still with the mother.

[Finn]

What are these calls this high? Man, the first one was kind of tough but now look.

[Eli]

It sounds heavy but it is a straightforward question.

[Drew]

Anything involved, A surprise pregnancy freak me out.

[Hayden]

The late Kush brothers calls are always like, yeah, I'm being audited. The IRS says I didn't file.

[Finn]

I know, it's like you pick the worst ones on purpose.

[Drew]

No, I'm like now I'm like am I pregnant? Hold on, check in. Freaking out.

[Hayden]

The state is going to impound my car.

[Drew]

Yeah, this guy's okay.

[Gavin]

After three months she got pregnant and I've got a two year old now. Beautiful, healthy child still. Still with the mother. Okay, things are going well but I had this very big fear at the beginning that the kid wasn't mine. But she reassured me over time. No, no, it's yours, it's yours. There's no way it's anybody else's. Well, come to find out that she's going to be seeing very soon the guy she dated right before me. When I say right before me, I mean weeks. And I saw a picture of him for the. He looks just like my kid.

[Finn]

This is the one. You reassured us would be better if we let it go on. I mean, what the is wrong with you to listen?

[Eli]

It didn't get to the question yet.

[Drew]

Became him seeing the photo like, yes, lightning ran through my body.

[Finn]

I know. This is brutal.

[Drew]

Probably saw it at like 3am too. Snooping around on the.

[Hayden]

They have the same earlobes.

[Drew]

Yeah. Oh, my God.

[Finn]

And what do you mean she's going to visit him? She's going to visit her ex.

[Eli]

He said she's gonna. Did he say visit? He said see him.

[Finn]

Okay.

[Drew]

Also, I feel like when you're like.

[Finn]

She'S gonna be seeing very soon the guy she dated. What? In what context?

[Eli]

Let's assume maybe some event wedding, something.

[Finn]

I don't know.

[Gavin]

Is it wrong with me to go and get a DNA test for my kid? She's 2. I love her to death.

[Drew]

Surprised you is wrong.

[Gavin]

Am I. Am I around getting. Am I playing with fire here?

[Finn]

You definitely are playing with fire.

[Gavin]

Let me know what you think.

[Finn]

I mean, this is tough because obviously it. There's no problem in like, if not being sure when the kid was whose dad it is. It's like you're okay knowing you're. I think it's okay to be like, hey, I want to know for sure. Now the problem is if you're. You're basically accusing your girlfriend and the mother of your child of being a liar. That's why this is high stakes, right? Because she's like, I'm telling you, it can't be him. And she might know. You know what I mean? Like, it might. She might, you know, he says it's weeks, but who knows? She might be like, there's no way. I didn't. That guy, whatever.

[Drew]

Saying, no, no, it's yours, it's yours. There's no way.

[Hayden]

Yeah, so what do you mean there's no way? Were you on a space shuttle?

[Drew]

That's what I'm like. Every time people answer like that.

[Hayden]

Yeah.

[Eli]

There's no way.

[Finn]

You're a little suspicious.

[Alex]

No, come.

[Drew]

It's yours.

[Finn]

Stupid. And then she.

[Drew]

Her eyes are darting. She's like.

[Hayden]

This guy's like, no, she convinced me. She told me I was being crazy.

[Finn]

He's like, it looks just like him. And the kid is like Chinese, he's just a white guy. He's like, maybe it's her ex.

[Hayden]

Maybe I'm a carrier.

[Drew]

That's it.

[Hayden]

I'm a carrier of Chinese.

[Finn]

Yes, it's a recessive trait. So.

[Drew]

So yes, you can look it and then Also, I don't know, maybe she was going to a wedding and he was going to be there. I don't, I don't know where he would. But without the guy, if you got.

[Hayden]

This woman pregnant within two months of meeting her, it's fair game.

[Finn]

I agree.

[Hayden]

DNA test, but that's the rational.

[Finn]

It's been a while though, by the way, right? The girl. How the kids.

[Hayden]

Two and a half year old kid.

[Eli]

Two and a half year old kid.

[Finn]

So we're talking about three years at.

[Hayden]

Plus nine months for them, you know, when they. Well, because they did the math, I guess, and figured out that they got.

[Finn]

Pregnant at least four years ago.

[Eli]

Yeah, I think he should do it in a secretive way when she's not in the house. Take the kid while they're still so young, like they can't really talk or like even remember it. Go knock it out. Get them to get them back home from the hospital fast enough that you.

[Hayden]

Rely on a child to lie.

[Finn]

So basically you just. Your plan, eldest is to lie until hopefully, if you get the information you want for the rest of your life. Never tell your girlfriend that behind her back.

[Hayden]

I'm thinking you don't do covert ops on this one.

[Finn]

You got the DNA test.

[Drew]

How quick is the turnaround on these? Isn't it like a week or something?

[Finn]

Yeah, it can happen quick, but I'm just saying your plan is horrible. You can't do it on the sneak.

[Hayden]

I can't do it on the sneak.

[Finn]

I need. Yeah, I think you can't do a.

[Hayden]

Medical procedure with the child, just cut.

[Drew]

His hair off or.

[Finn]

No, I'm just saying, like it's. You're basically basically, what you're doing then is. You said it's so important to me to know you know one way or the other, but I, I don't want to. I'm too much of a coward to talk to you that I'm just gonna. It's almost like doubling down on, going double on or nothing on this. Right? Because you've now you've added doing it behind someone's back and getting the DNA test true. You know, like, it's like, okay, what happens if it's not your kid? You go, you, you fucking bitch. I tested him when you were. I knew you were lying.

[Hayden]

Who's untrustworthy now?

[Finn]

But then if it is your kid, then you're like, oh, wow, I am a piece of shit.

[Hayden]

Yeah.

[Finn]

I have gone behind her back, raise.

[Hayden]

The stakes that much.

[Finn]

I've accused her of lying and she, when she assured me and that's the thing, you just. You're basically raising the stakes.

[Drew]

I looked up, I looked up the guy and it looks like our kid. So now I.

[Eli]

That's the thing that sounds like a little crazy as like your reason for like doubting that it's your kid. Just the fact that they got it.

[Finn]

The whole time though.

[Eli]

I know, but I mean personally if I did that and I found out it was my kid, I honestly don't think I wouldn't feel guilty or weird about it or anything.

[Finn]

You would look at it as what's the reason to even trouble her?

[Eli]

Yes.

[Finn]

I'm pretty sure it's my kid. I'm just like, that's how you would.

[Drew]

Picture'S freaking me out.

[Finn]

This is a white lie. I just want to get over it. Yes, but it would just be a tangible betrayal to her.

[Drew]

What about this? What about this?

[Finn]

It could be.

[Drew]

Anyway, how about this?

[Finn]

And I'm not even disagreeing with you. I would want to know too.

[Drew]

How about you do one on the sly.

[Finn]

Okay.

[Drew]

And then if it isn't your kid, you say to her, I would like to do a DNA test.

[Hayden]

In fact, I'll bet you $10,000 it's not my kid.

[Finn]

Or what you should do.

[Drew]

And then you do another. And then.

[Finn]

And you launder that.

[Drew]

Yes. You do it on the sly first. That's just for you.

[Finn]

But then what if she's like how dare you?

[Drew]

Then you say, well, why are you saying how dare you?

[Hayden]

Cuz you know, you have DNA test. The DNA test should have been done as soon as she announced she was pregnant or whenever. But it's like that thing of the, the, the best time to plant a tree is 30 years ago. The second best time is now. Yes, they should have done it then. It does. But it's not like never do it now. You got to just do it. And you know, we were together for two months. Probably weren't even exclusive.

[Finn]

I agree with you. That's what I'm saying.

[Drew]

It's like I know she was banging that guy 2 the guy.

[Hayden]

Lunar cycles, ovulation, things of that nature.

[Drew]

It's like look, right.

[Eli]

Let's call it. It's great that the kids healthy population, it's glad that they're co parenting and are they even in a relationship? It sounds like they are together. Yeah, that's great. But let's, let's face it. You knocked her up. You knocked her up three months in.

[Finn]

Yeah.

[Eli]

You have, you have very reasonable doubts.

[Finn]

Absolutely. That's why I'm saying Talk about it, though.

[Eli]

I think if everything else is going good, find out if it's your kid.

[Drew]

All right?

[Eli]

You can sleep easy at night. You're good.

[Drew]

You crawl like the end of it.

[Finn]

But what if she finds out you've been going behind her back?

[Eli]

What's she gonna find? Taking little Johnny to the barber shop. See you in a couple hours. And you go, I don't know that she's.

[Finn]

An email, like a Whatever.

[Eli]

She don't gotta know, man.

[Drew]

Get the hair. You send it in.

[Finn]

You're just engaging in weird sneaky behavior behind her back. That's unnecessary. Is my. Would be my argument.

[Eli]

I don't think it's worth blowing anything up until you just know for sure if you get a positive match, it's your kid.

[Hayden]

It's like. Like this is never gonna go away. That thing is always gonna be stay together forever. It's always gonna be there.

[Finn]

I think. I think it's so clear that I'm in the rare. It's rare that I'm on JP side, which. Because JP takes the high road like a gentleman, right? It's very rare that I'm on his side against yours. But on this one, I'm like, yeah, you probably should. The extra sneaking.

[Eli]

I don't know.

[Hayden]

Don't sneak.

[Finn]

Don't sneak. You're not.

[Eli]

You know why? Because you.

[Drew]

I thought people just did that.

[Eli]

You look a little crazy if you're like, I saw a picture of you and this guy on Facebook from like 2000.

[Finn]

But no, no, hold on. 3. You don't, though, because it's. It's what JP said it was three months into the relationship.

[Drew]

Facts. Yeah.

[Finn]

You don't know her like that.

[Drew]

Hey, let's talk.

[Finn]

It's not crazy. And you could just be like, look, I just. This is something that's been. You didn't even say the thing about him. You'd be like, look, I love. We have going. Whatever. I don't. I don't even. You could even be like, I don't. I believe you. I. There's just a part of me where I'm like, I would love to just have a confirmed or once and for all on DNA. You know what I mean? I think that's how you have to approach it. Otherwise, look, could you get away with it? Yes. And if it doesn't bother you, you're fine. Yes, that's the. You're. Basically, you're probably be fine, but in the small percentage, you're not fine. You're really fucked if you. If you're caught sneaking around, taking a kid to get a DNA test, just lying to her. That's all I'm saying. And then now you've become a dickhead. Now, if it's not your kid.

[Eli]

Well, that's the thing. If it's not your kid, like, it's not even about, you know, if it's not your kid, you. You won't even give a. About any of this.

[Finn]

I know, but if it is your kid and you're lying, you'd probably feel kind of like an asshole.

[Eli]

I wouldn't.

[Finn]

Okay.

[Drew]

All right.

[Finn]

Even if you're not, though, and you risk getting caught, that would be my perspective, I guess.

[Eli]

I mean, what is. What does a DNA test entail? Do you guys know?

[Hayden]

I think they're pretty expensive. That's all I know.

[Drew]

Really?

[Eli]

Yeah, really.

[Drew]

Okay.

[Finn]

I didn't know that.

[Hayden]

They're, like, a couple grand.

[Finn]

Really?

[Eli]

Nah. Really? I think. So the.

[Finn]

The way around this, unfortunately, he's retired. But you. You could be like, babe, I know this is my kid, but I'm such a big Maury fan. Why don't we just go? We know we're gonna.

[Hayden]

It'll be like, 4 Fan Fest. It'll be fun.

[Finn]

They cover everything. I've always wanted to go to New Brunswick or whatever the.

[Drew]

They put you up. Yeah. It's so nice. Studio audience.

[Finn]

So you could have used that. And if she really didn't want to, you're like, what are you hiding?

[Drew]

Yeah. Be like, I love Maury.

[Finn]

Or you come back like, this is crazy. You just. Obviously, you're like, we just want a free DNA test.

[Hayden]

Oh, 23 and me just sent this over.

[Finn]

Oh, this is cool. It's clearly printed off your, like, home printer.

[Hayden]

Let's all do the test. Me, you, and our daughter.

[Drew]

Yeah, get the scissors.

[Hayden]

Surely it wouldn't make sense to do that normally, because we'd have the same results, but since it's free, might as well.

[Finn]

Yo, that's a good point. 23 and me would, like. It would tell you.

[Drew]

Yeah, right, because it would show.

[Finn]

Because it would tell you Nigerians.

[Drew]

Right. But it would show. Yeah. That he doesn't have.

[Finn]

Yeah.

[Drew]

And, like.

[Finn]

Yeah, that's how a lot of people get that. That's how a lot of people found out their mom had, like, cheated.

[Hayden]

Yeah.

[Finn]

A lot of people would be like, a lot of old Ancestry.com. they'd be like, wait, none of the people you said I have matches with, I have matches with.

[Drew]

Shit is not working.

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