What It Costs to Stand for Your Values with Isabel Brown

Summary

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Episode: What It Costs to Stand for Your Values with Isabel Brown
Release Date: April 27, 2026
Guest: Isabel Brown

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Overview

In this engaging episode, Madison Prewett Troutt sits down with Isabel Brown—author, speaker, Daily Wire host, wife, and mom—for a candid discussion about what it genuinely costs to stand for your values in today’s culture. Together, they explore the challenges and rewards of living courageously as a Christian, protecting the next generation, understanding Gen Z’s impact, the significance of prayer, and maintaining hope and joy amid a truthless world. The tone is both passionate and personal, blending cultural critique with spiritual encouragement.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Isabel’s Journey: From Science Student to Cultural Voice

[03:57-11:27]

• Beginnings: Isabel shares her upbringing in a faith-filled, politically engaged household. Originally desiring to be a physician, she pursued biomedical sciences before experiencing disillusionment with academia’s lack of objective truth.

  • "Academia at large and particular science is not really about the pursuit of objective truth anymore. More often than not, it’s extreme, politically charged indoctrination." – Isabel [05:29]

• Turning Point: After recognizing a lack of critical thinking and exposure to ideologically charged curricula, her activism was sparked by a Facebook ad for Turning Point USA’s women's conference.

  • "Instantaneously I was just completely hooked on activism, on encouraging these conversations and being a whole lot more comfortable being the odd one out in the room." – Isabel [09:22]

• Shift to Culture: Isabel describes a conscious shift from hyper-political commentary to addressing cultural battles—how we date, eat, raise children, and live faith—influencing values more potently than politics.

  • "Politics is downstream from culture... The major political battles today are really cultural conversations." – Isabel [10:25]

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2. Motherhood, Womanhood, and God’s Design

[11:27-14:24]

• Personal Transformation: Motherhood has reshaped Isabel’s priorities, deepening her vocation and sense of mission.

  • "I am a totally different person today because I’m a mom than I was beforehand in all of the best ways." – Isabel [12:05]
  • "The legacy we’re leaving behind is about our kids and their kids and hopefully every generation thereafter in America." – Isabel [12:34]

• Cultural Narratives: She counters both modern feminism’s claim that family dampens women’s identity and the anti-career backlash, championing a biblical, integrated view.

  • "I find that to be the bigotry of low expectations...actually misogynistic, even though we package it up in a bow of feminism." – Isabel [13:30]
  • "We need more feminine voices rooted in truth and our identity in God." – Isabel [15:24]

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3. The Spiritual War on Children and Family

[17:40-27:19]

• Both Madison and Isabel highlight the spiritual battle targeting families and children, pointing out the infiltration of harmful agendas across media, education, and even some churches.

  • "Prayer should never be our last line of defense. It should always be our first line of offense." – Isabel [19:34]
  • Example: Isabel recounts opening Disney+ with her daughter only to find a sexually explicit Hulu show on the home page, underscoring the need for vigilance.

• Parental Responsibility: Parents must stay vigilant, not just sheltering but preparing children to stand on their own.

  • "Parents have a primary line of responsibility to protect our kids from those forces of evil, wherever that be." – Isabel [21:22]
  • "There’s no such thing as a kid’s table at the dinner table... it’s going to be wildly important in making sure you know what you believe." – Isabel [27:11]

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4. Who’s Behind the Cultural Shift?

[27:24-31:05]

• Isabel discusses the coordination among elites—politicians, CEOs, teachers' unions, and organizations—intentionally steering culture away from Christian and conservative values.
  • "There is an elite group of individuals all over the world that is intentionally working together to push this stuff at the same time." – Isabel [27:51]
  • References the infiltration strategy of the American Communist Party in the 1960s, aimed at eroding faith, family, and education foundations.
  • "Classic liberalism... is at odds with most of the political left in America today."[28:14]

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5. Christian Responses: Despair, Withdrawal, or Courage

[31:05-39:13]

• Madison describes two Christian responses: passive optimism ("Jesus is on the throne—I don’t need to do anything") and anxious obsession with cultural decay.

  • Isabel advises against fear-mongering and despair, reminding listeners of God’s repeated command, “Do not be afraid.”
    • "Despair is a sin, and it is the opposite of faith." – Isabel [33:11]
    • "The sky isn’t falling. He already won." – Isabel [34:55]

• Charlie Kirk’s Legacy: Isabel shares a powerful story about Charlie’s final message on Christian duty to be “salt and light”—to transform and preserve the world, not retreat from it.

  • "We are not called to just be passive in this world... our obligation... is to do everything we can to fight for what is good and true and beautiful." – Isabel [37:47]
  • "That’s not what we’re called to do as Christians. Christ gave us a very, very specific command to be salt and to be light." – Charlie Kirk (via Isabel) [37:47]

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6. Gen Z: Strengths, Weaknesses, and Potential

[47:22-56:22]

• Isabel upends common media narratives about Gen Z, describing the generation’s surprising spiritual hunger and rebellion against radical progressivism.

  • "The cool punk rock, edgy thing to do is to go to church on Sunday morning and embrace traditional values... and move out of the city." – Isabel [49:32]
  • Cites positive trends: church attendance, Bible sales up 22%, mass baptisms and campus revivals.
    • "We have shocked everyone by becoming the most Christian society... And certainly the most faith driven generation we’ve seen in maybe a century." – Isabel [50:46]

• Central Weakness: The quest for external validation and the anxiety of needing to respond immediately to every issue.

  • "Your true identity has to be so much bigger than what other people say about you. It has to be rooted in your existence, thanks to a God who loves you." – Isabel [56:16]

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7. Staying Informed Without Feeling Overwhelmed

[57:56-62:16]

• Avoid Information Overwhelm: Limit doom-scrolling; God will ensure you know what you need to know. Be grounded in your real, three-dimensional life.

  • "It’s okay to not need to know everything all the time." – Isabel [58:18]
  • "Prayer has to be the first line that you go to and God will direct what needs to be directed your way..." – Isabel [57:56]

• Seek True Sources: Seek news and commentary from voices openly rooted in biblical truth, rather than “biased” mainstream or state-sponsored outlets.

  • Recommends shows like Ali Beth Stucky’s and other Daily Wire content designed to filter cultural currents through faith.

• Isabel’s Charge to Listeners:

  • Small, courageous, countercultural choices change the world.
  • "Have courage to be willing to do what the world is commanding you not to... Have the courage to go against the grain, to seek what is good and true and beautiful..." – Isabel [60:47]
  • "If one person can do that, and then 10... and then a million... all of a sudden we’re living in a completely different country." – Isabel [61:53]

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Notable Quotes & Moments

"Prayer should never be our last line of defense. It should always be our first line of offense."
— Isabel Brown [19:34]

"Despair is a sin, and it is the opposite of faith, because it means that we have given up on God's ultimate sovereignty..."
— Isabel Brown [33:11]

"Christ gave us a very, very specific command to be salt and to be light. Both salt and light... dramatically transform the environment around them."
— Charlie Kirk (via Isabel) [37:47]

"We have shocked everyone by becoming the most Christian society... and certainly the most faith driven generation we've seen in maybe a century."
— Isabel Brown [50:46]

"Have the courage to go against the grain, to seek what is good and true and beautiful... That is how we will change culture."
— Isabel Brown [60:47]

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• Isabel’s Story and Activism Origin – [03:57-11:27]
• Motherhood’s Impact & Feminism – [11:27-15:24]
• Spiritual War on Children and Families – [17:40-27:19]
• Who’s Behind Cultural Shifts? – [27:24-31:05]
• Christian Responses: Despair vs. Courage – [31:05-39:13]
• Charlie Kirk’s Legacy – [36:39-39:13]
• Gen Z’s Potential & Misunderstandings – [47:22-56:22]
• How To Get Informed Without Overwhelm – [57:56-62:16]
• Closing Prayer and Final Encouragement – [64:12-end]

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Final Encouragement

Isabel closes with a prayer:

"Lord, please continue to inspire this generation as we are called to fight for you, for the truth, for goodness, and for beauty in a world that is constantly trying to destroy it all. Make young people aware that they already have the tools that they need to succeed... Help us to remain courageous in the face of evil..." [64:12]

Madison’s final words:

"We live for an audience of one... This life is a mist. But how we spend our time here really matters, and we want to bring as many people with us as we can to the next life into heaven..." [62:34]

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Takeaways

• Standing for your values is costly but crucial—prayer and grounded faith are essential tools.
• Parents must take an active role in defending and preparing their children.
• Gen Z is hungry for authenticity, truth, and tradition—contrary to stereotypes.
• Hope, courage, and joy set Christians apart, even (especially) in turbulent times.
• Real cultural change begins with small daily choices rooted in biblical conviction.

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For more of Isabel Brown’s work, check the episode notes for her show, books, and social media platforms.

Transcript

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[Isabel Brown]

group of individuals all over the world that is intentionally working together to push this stuff. At the same time, how have you

[Madison Pruitt Trout]

continued to stay stand firm, not giving into this like hopelessness or fear?

[Isabel Brown]

The last time I saw Charlie in person, which was a week before he was killed, he said that's not what we're called to do as Christians. Christ gave us a very, very specific command to be salt and to be light.

[Madison Pruitt Trout]

What would you say is Gen Z's strength and weakness?

[Isabel Brown]

I think we just have to realize that you're not a radical crazy conspiracy theorist for saying something's off about that. We need to fight against that. Now.

[Madison Pruitt Trout]

What would you encourage those who are moms out there to just be on guard for their children?

[Isabel Brown]

Prayer should never be our last line of defense. It should always be our first line of offense.

[Madison Pruitt Trout]

How do people get informed without feeling overwhelmed and paralyzed?

[Isabel Brown]

Be willing to do what the world is commanding you. Not to the food that you're eating, the media that you're watching. Have the courage to go against the grain, to seek what is good and true and beautiful. That is how we will change culture. Because if one person can do that and then 10 people can do that and then a million people can do that, all of a sudden we're living in a completely different country. Foreign.

[Madison Pruitt Trout]

What's up guys? Welcome back to another episode of Stay True podcast. I'm your host Madison Pruitt Trout and I am so excited for today's guest for today's conversation. This is a woman who is bold and amazing and joyful and brings truth to honestly a very truthless world. I am so encouraged by the way she stands for Jesus and values. She is the host of her own show, she is a best selling author and so much more. She's a wife She's a mom.

[Isabel Brown]

Oh, yeah.

[Madison Pruitt Trout]

And I'm so excited. Isabel Brown, welcome to the show.

[Isabel Brown]

Thank you so much for having me.

[Isabel Brown's Husband]

I feel like this is so overdue because we've been e. Friends for so

[Madison Pruitt Trout]

long, but it's so funny how social media does that to you.

[Isabel Brown's Husband]

I know.

[Madison Pruitt Trout]

I feel like. I know. I know your personality. I know your fam, like, all the things, but it's so fun to finally get to do this.

[Isabel Brown]

I love that everyone has their own podcast.

[Isabel Brown's Husband]

I really feel like sometimes not everyone

[Isabel Brown]

needs to have a podcast, but I am loving it because it gives me an excuse to spend time with one on one with so many of these amazing people that are on the Internet right now really fighting for what's good and true and beautiful, and that's what we're all about.

[Madison Pruitt Trout]

Come on. Well, I'm thankful that you do that. That's actually a hot take that I have of, like, not everybody needs a podcast, because so many people, hey, I feel like to start a podcast, I'm like, do you really feel like, let's really talk about it. Let's pray about it. Maybe. But anyways, that's a. That's another conversation. But I want to talk about how you even got started with all that you're doing, because it's amazing, looking at your boldness, because I think in the world that we live in today, especially for the things that you're standing for, there's so much backlash. There's so many opinions. And I think a lot of times Christians and just people in general, even if you're not a believer, but you stand for a lot of the things that you stand for. You stand for truth. You stand for fighting for what's right. You stand for the family unit. I mean, there's a lot of pushback against that and a lot of backlash, and it's scary. It's scary to take stands, stances for those kinds of things. And so I want to hear, how did you even get into politics? And how did all of this come about? And then I want to hear just, like, what this journey has been like for you.

[Isabel Brown]

Yeah. Oh, my gosh. I'll start, I guess, by saying that it's crazy that this is such a charged environment that we live in right now, because I have always been a deep political nerd. I was captain of the speech and debate team. I represented Colorado many times at Nationals. My parents are Catholic lawyers, so we

[Isabel Brown's Husband]

talked about politics all the time and

[Isabel Brown]

religion at our house, too. And so I've always had a deep passion for it personally. But I never wanted to be in such a politically charged environment for my career growing up. And most of what I do today, ironically, despite living in D.C. and having a lot of crossover with some of the major political players right now, really isn't political as we have known it for so long in America. And I think for older individuals, our parents age and our grandparents age especially, they're really shocked to understand that everything has become so politically charged for our generation. And I see myself much more as a cultural content creator more than a

[Isabel Brown's Husband]

political one these days.

[Isabel Brown]

But it still comes with all of that same backlash and really crazy environment that we live in right now. All of that to say I never

[Isabel Brown's Husband]

intended on sitting right here today and doing all of this.

[Isabel Brown]

My dream in life was actually to become a physician. And I loved science ever since I was a little kid going to nerdy science summer camp in Colorado.

[Isabel Brown's Husband]

They're great, by the way, don't ever think that you're nerdy for doing that.

[Isabel Brown]

But I think I loved science because it was really about the pursuit of truth. It was about the idea that there was a right answer to things and you could ask all of the biggest questions about the universe, from how solar systems operate to single celled organisms in a human body and you could get a right answer to those things. And I wanted to marry that really

[Isabel Brown's Husband]

nerdy love of the pursuit of truth

[Isabel Brown]

with trying to help as many people as possible. And so medicine seemed to be a bit of the foregone conclusion for that. So I went to college and pursued biomedical sciences as my major and very quickly found out, as most people have in our generation being the first year of Gen Z, that academia at large and particular science is not really about the pursuit of objective truth anymore. More often than not, it's extreme, politically charged indoctrination. And that took me a bit by surprise. I think I expected that for some of my friends in political science or ethnic studies or gender studies and some of the crazy horror stories you were hearing at the time from like UC Berkeley or some of the Ivies. I was at a traditionally very conservative land grant school, kind of like Auburn where you went, where it was generally

[Isabel Brown's Husband]

a pretty, cowboy friendly, agricultural happy place

[Isabel Brown]

to be, and shockingly was just confronted with extreme Marxism, gender theory, all of the crazy things in all of my classes. And I'll really never forget in one class in particular, it was eukaryotic cellular biology, translation single celled organisms we took for a whole semester. And in one of my multiple choice exams, the wrong answer choice on a test was to say that God created the universe. When you were asked about how the universe was, you know, created to be or how it came into existence, you could say that it just simultaneously exploded

[Isabel Brown's Husband]

with a billion things going on from

[Isabel Brown]

the big bang, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

[Isabel Brown's Husband]

Or you could pick a different answer

[Isabel Brown]

that God had a hand in creating the universe and that was wrong. You would have been punished for answering that question. And that started me down this deep, deep rabbit hole in all of these classes starting to listen a little bit more intently. And I don't fault science students, and in particular physicians, pre med students and medical students for their very regimented, almost militaristic memorization of everything to get through the test, to get the best grade, to get the best gpa, to go to the best med school so that they can be a great, thriving doctor. But I realized along the way that there wasn't a lot of depth of critical thinking in most of my classes. It was gross memorization to get through the exam so that you could keep a 4.0 so that you could go to medical school. And when I started listening a bit more intently, I realized that my professors were telling me things like, hey, I know you just learned about every single miracle of life when a baby is being formed in the womb and how it can feel pain so early and how a baby responds to the sound of its mother's voice and has its own taste and smell preferences before they're ever born. But abortion saves lives. And you probably all are going to have to be participating in this against your will, so you better get comfortable with that. And it doesn't kill a unique human being. Or, hey, I know you just learned about XXXY chromosomes for your test and that's important, sure. But also gender is just something that you can choose any day of the week and there is no scientific basis for that whatsoever. I was not having that as a college student. I certainly didn't feel comfortable becoming a physician in that sort of environment. And it may be no surprise to anyone, but as the speech and debate kid, I never sit down and shut

[Isabel Brown's Husband]

up about any of these things.

[Isabel Brown]

So ran for student government and tried to get more involved in my campus. And around that time, God really stepped in in a shocking way and gave me a targeted Facebook ad on my Facebook account. Back when people scrolled Facebook before, it was just grandmas. And it was for this organization I had never heard of before called Turning Point USA advertising their women's conference in 2017. And I recognized some of the names on the flyer I had heard of Ben Shapiro before and seen a few

[Isabel Brown's Husband]

of his YouTube videos and one person

[Isabel Brown]

in college told me I looked like this girl, Tommy Lahren, but I had no idea who that really was. And the main speaker was a young man named Charlie Kirk, who no one really had ever heard of before. But it was encouraging young women to embrace Christian and conservative values on college campuses. Certainly feeling as isolated as I was, that was a godsend and a true breath of fresh air. So I drug my sister with me and we got on a plane to Dallas, Texas in 2017 to attend this little conference of a few hundred young women from all over the country. And instantaneously I was just completely hooked on activism, on encouraging these conversations and being a whole lot more comfortable being the odd one out in the room. I will give you the total Spark

[Isabel Brown's Husband]

Notes version over the next few years,

[Isabel Brown]

but I went back to my campus and started a TPUSA chapter, which is basically a club on campus for conservatives. And we hosted a handful of speakers on campus like Charlie Kirk, that one of his first major events was actually at my school when I was the chapter president and he became a dear friend and mentor to me along the way. And somewhere in those next few years when I finished college, looked at me and said, I don't think you're supposed

[Isabel Brown's Husband]

to be a doctor.

[Isabel Brown]

I think God is trying to send your life in a different direction. How about you come work for me at Turning Point USA and become one of our very, very first contributors, which was the media personalities at the time. So I started working there in 2020, early 2020 and and have learned so much along the way now have worked for almost every more conservative leaning media organization in the space and have had so many wonderful mentors like Charlie along the way. Today now I host a daily show with the Daily Wire called the Isabel Brown show and I'm traveling all over

[Isabel Brown's Husband]

the country, I'm meeting with the President in the Oval Office and we're doing legislation things on Capitol Hill, all while

[Isabel Brown]

managing my amazing family, my husband who I met working through TPUSA, and our daughter who is 10 months old now. And really I think I've made a pretty conscious shift in my content from 2023 on. I used to be much more hyper political in everything I was talking about, like hey, here's this bill that Congress is debating. This is crazy, let's get into it. Or what did Donald Trump just say when he was on the campaign trail? And I realized along the way that Gen Z was just so fatigued with that type of content that is everything right now. But in reality, the major, more political battles that very few people were paying attention to a few years ago were these cultural conversations like the food that you're eating or if you're going to church on Sunday morning, are you dating? What does your dating experience look like? And I realized if we could change some of those things in our country downstream politically, our country would look a whole lot more rooted in traditional American values. So really became more of a top of funnel content creator as I call it in 2020, 23. And it's been a beautiful journey ever since. And that's what we're still doing today.

[Madison Pruitt Trout]

Come on. That's so good. And now you're a mom. You have a 10 month old. Has that even just changed your perspective? Your like, even what you've become most passionate about in this space, like how has that changed for you? And even like work, you know, you talk about a lot, just this like feminist agenda and just what, what is God's role for women in today's world, but also just like God's design for, for women. And so I, I want to hear that from you of just like some of those things that you've talked about in motherhood, in womanhood, in God's design, but also just how it's changed for you personally in having a daughter.

[Isabel Brown's Husband]

I'll start on the personal side because that's a whole lot more fun.

[Isabel Brown]

Yes, my life has totally been turned upside down since I had my daughter Isla, really, since I found out I was pregnant with her. And just immediately you become a totally different person. And that's so hard to articulate to women who are not yet moms and they don't quite understand that huge perspective change and identity shift. But I am a totally different person today because I'm a mom than I was beforehand in all of the best ways. I'm more patient, I'm a little softer. I try to look for the best

[Isabel Brown's Husband]

in people a whole lot more. I'm less pessimistic, but I also feel

[Isabel Brown]

a greater sense of duty and vocation to keep doing what I'm doing, if only because we're fighting for her generation every single day. Right. Ultimately, what I'm doing is not just about me and it's not this hyper narcissistic. I want things to be better for my immediate needs in society. That is important. And I do think it's inspiring to see Gen Z and some of these younger millennials really step in right now and say all Right. We're coming into adulthood and now we need to take the reins to drive culture. But ultimately the legacy that we're leaving behind is not about us. It's about our kids and their kids and their kids and hopefully every generation thereafter in America. So I certainly feel that impetus a whole lot more on the personal side. And I also think my priorities have shifted a lot more on the personal side. My family is always going to be the most important thing in the world to me. So if a video gets posted three

[Isabel Brown's Husband]

hours late, we skip an episode that day because we didn't get any sleep the night before. We're still not sleeping through the night. So send your prayers, that's okay. And not the whole world isn't going to come crashing down. Right.

[Isabel Brown]

I think what's really being presented to young women right now is this really extreme dichotomy. The vast majority of culture, mostly driven by a hyper feministic agenda, is telling you that a family is going to destroy your sense of identity, that you'll never be yourself again, you won't have a thriving relationship anymore, you'll never see your friends again, you'll never go on vacation, you can't have a job, you can't do any of these things. Which is a lie, right? I think that's a really disgusting lie, actually, that I personally find offensive. To look at a woman and say, oh, well, that's just not good enough for you. Like, you can't go to college, you can't have a job, you can't run a business, you can't run for office. When you have a kid, you'll just be way too busy. I find that to be the bigotry of low expectations, frankly, and actually misogynistic. Even though we package it up in this beautiful bow of feminism. Or you're now seeing this hyper overcorrection in society that says, okay, career for women equals bad women.

[Isabel Brown's Husband]

Never speak again. Women should never be on the Internet.

[Isabel Brown]

And that's a smaller conversation, but it's getting a lot louder on the Internet. That's wrong too. And I think we have a duty as Christians to really start evaluating why God designed women. We just filmed an episode of my show with Ginger Duggar and her husband Jeremy. And it was a beautiful conversation, but he articulated this so beautifully that God created man and looked at him and said, it's not good for man to be alone. AKA men would not exist without women. And women have this powerful intuition and emotional connection baked into us that doesn't exist for men. You know, we're much more empathy driven. We're emotionally charged that can be hijacked in all of the wrong ways, politically speaking, but is so deeply necessary to our identity as a Christian country and regrounding us in the Holy Spirit and those virtues that we are tasked with carrying forward every day. And especially when you see our culture really battling against young women and what makes us unique and beautiful and treasured by just trying to make women exactly like men. Right now, desperately, we need more feminine voices that are rooted in truth and our identity in God to be connecting with other young women and preventing that erasure from society.

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[Madison Pruitt Trout]

Amen. And it's such a spiritual battle that we're in and I love that you were even saying at the beginning, like we're saying it's political but it's so much, it's so much deeper than that. Like we're in a spiritual world, we're spiritual beings. Like it is a spiritual war that we're facing and fighting against right now. And I see that war being waged on the family unit and on the children. And the enemy is just like you see it from the beginning of time. I mean even at the beginning of scripture, he is so threatened by the family, he is so threatened by the child and he wants to do everything he can to get to the children. And you're seeing that today in our school systems. You're seeing that today. And I mean like you were mentioning, even the universities we've been going to, my mom started this, this organization called unite and we've been going to college campuses and witnessing revivals break out on college campuses which has been so beautiful because it's a complete juxtaposition of what's happening inside the universities. For a lot of these universities being preached a very, just anti God messaging and it's been so cool to see the hunger. And I love that you were saying that too about, about Gen Z is that there's, there is a hunger and, and that people are starting to wake up to a lot of these agendas and messages that have been, you know, kind of pushed on them. But I, I first want to, before even getting into Gen Z, like we were touching on motherhood and all of that. What would you say moms need to wake up to and be aware? I think that it's very easy as a mom. You're just, you're like in your day to day, you're not thinking about, it's just like whatever you're going from thing to thing to thing. And I think sometimes we can overlook the smallest of things and you are in the trenches of you see a lot and sometimes we don't have as much knowledge and information as maybe you're like seeing. And so what would you encourage like Those who are moms out there to just be on guard for and to be on the lookout for and also to just be praying against for, for their children.

[Isabel Brown]

I'm so glad you said that. I say probably three times a week on my show that prayer should never be our last line of defense. It should always be our first line of offense. And I think we are reverting so much in culture with this thoughts and prayers thing as like, oh, well, we did everything we could, but now all we can do is thoughts and prayers. Prayer should be the number one priority in your life as a parent, moms and dads. That's what you should wake up every day and begin your day with doing. And luckily there are so many resources out there now. If you're not really comfortable in your prayer life, there are apps and devotionals and all kinds of stuff that'll help you do that. But that should be what we are constantly grounded in. 365 days a year as parents. It's hard not to get doom and gloom sounding in this conversation. So when I say that your kids are under attack and that we really are living in a spiritual war, I think that often turns people off because it's scary to think about and nobody wants to be uncomfortable with that. But I don't say that to you to scare you or to make you want to check out and unplug and go live isolated from the rest of the world. We're called to be in the world and we're just not of the world. Right. And I think most parents are really shocked to discover some of these very sinister things that have been going on right under our noses for a long time in culture. Certainly our parents generation is devastated to see what has happened to our generation because they weren't quite as hands on as they needed to be and they didn't think they had to police what your teacher was telling you at school or the things that you were seeing on the Internet or maybe what your favorite kids TV show was showing you. It is everywhere right now. And you Hallmark highlighted that so beautifully. Maddie. That we are living in a spiritual warfare that has become a lot more obvious, I think in the last year or maybe even six months to people than ever before in our lifetime. And I'm grateful for that. Even though it can be incredibly scary and daunting and overwhelming to realize that there are truly evil demonic forces at play in our culture. We've always believed that as Christians, we just don't like to talk about it.

[Isabel Brown's Husband]

Right.

[Isabel Brown]

And I think there's a beautiful aspect of our faith deepening in a very profound way in America right now to understand that we do have a struggle against something that is invisible and that we don't necessarily touch and see and bleed over, but is just as significant in the damage that it's doing to humanity. We as parents have a primary line of responsibility to protect our kids from those forces of evil, wherever that be. So, primary example, the other day, I'm sitting in my living room. It's Friday night. We want to show Isla a movie because we have nothing planned.

[Isabel Brown's Husband]

And my husband and I are exhausted after a really long work week. And we're like, let's just put a

[Isabel Brown]

movie on and order some pizza. And we reopened our Disney app that we hadn't opened in a really long time. And on Disney, they've now apparently combined it with Hulu and espn. And so when you open your Disney profile, it gives you suggestions for all of the platforms. Now, without you having to ask for that, we're thinking, okay, we're gonna show

[Isabel Brown's Husband]

her, like, Ratatouille or Cars or something very, very cute.

[Isabel Brown]

But the number one suggested series on the homepage of my husband's Disney profile was a show that I guess Hulu is presenting right now called Dying for Sex, and there's gigantic letters. Dying for Sex is the number one recommended show on Disney plus right now. So I'm like, this is insane. Let's click on this, and we open it. And the description of the show is about this woman and her midlife who's diagnosed with terminal cancer. So she leaves her husband and basically goes on all of these sexcapades to sleep with as many people as possible and to have this diverse lineup of experiences before inevitably she's going to die. And some of the episode titles are incredibly disturbing. I mean, like, masturbation saves lives and why you should have threesomes and sleeping with women and all of these things. This is on the home page of Disney plus when you open it to show your kids Cinderella or Snow White. Wow. So I make a short video of this, and I upload it to TikTok and X& instantly get flooded with a whole bunch of responses from people who say, yeah, you want to know something even scarier? That popped up as a suggested episode or suggested show on my kid's profile on Disney, where there's supposed to be all of these parental controls. And my niece and nephew saw this or my daughter saw this, and I had then had to explain, what the heck does this mean to my little kid? Who otherwise never would have been exposed to it in the first place. And I hear really similar stories from parents whose kids are watching, like YouTube Kids content. The suggested ads that pop up constantly involve stuff like pornography and very adult conversations about sexuality and gender identity and so much. The state of Colorado, where I grew up, right now is making sure that their number one priority debated in the legislative session is to legalize prostitution, which is bad in and of itself, but B, to make sure that children as young as first grade in the public school system are mandated to Learn everything about LGBTQ+, sex change, surgery, pronouns, hiding it from mom and dad, the fact that the state can take you away from mom and dad if they don't like what you have to say. The whole nine. So they're getting this at home when they're watching a movie, they're getting it at school from their teachers. We hear horror stories every day of teachers that are trying to transition children behind your back. Just recently at the State of the Union, President Trump brought up one of these examples of a beautiful young woman who's now in college, who was sitting in the audience, who literally was transitioned to be a boy behind mom and dad's back. And then they tried to take custody away so that mom and dad couldn't do anything about it. And now she is her beautiful self as God intended. And she, I think she's going to Liberty Universe, if I'm remembering correctly. But beautiful, beautiful young woman. So they're getting it at school, they're getting it with their friends because their friends are constantly walking around with these iPads and screens shoved in their faces and completely unchecked screen time, which is really crazy. And honestly, maybe most shockingly, they're getting it at church. And I don't think parents necessarily understand what the exposure looks like here because we think, oh well, it's the church, it's Christian values, it's things that maybe our kids will never have to worry about versus if I sent them off to public school or summer camp or to hang out with their friends. There are churches all over this country right now that are desperate to be of this world and to try to make things a little bit more seeker friendly. And I know that's a controversial subject for us to get into on the Christian side, but seeker friendly churches have now delved into rainbow washed BLM Marxist churches, like one in Minneapolis area that I reacted to a few years ago that instead of reciting the Apostles Creed or the Nicene Creed at church, church is literally reciting the Sparkle Creed. The Sparkle Creed.

[Madison Pruitt Trout]

Sparkle Creed.

[Isabel Brown]

Praising and worshiping and thanking the non binary God and Jesus who had two dads and plural pronouns and wore a rainbow coat. And like all of these things that's happening on Sunday morning, pew sitting conversations. Right? So I don't think people are realizing that this is coming from every single direction in society. And we as parents have an obligation to make sure our kids are protected from this stuff. When I say protected, I don't necessarily just mean sheltered. And I think a lot of people are now overcorrecting and going in that direction. Your kids are going to experience some of this in some capacity. It's just the culture that we live in. So now how we as parents need to navigate this is going on offense to make sure our kids are well prepared to live in this world on their own. I think a lot of what we saw with millennials coming into adulthood and this radical political social change, embracing stuff like socialism and Marxism, why people like AOC and Zohran Momdani are so attractive to young people is because the parents of millennials, mostly baby boomers, were very hands off in their parenting. They just expected, my kids are never going to have to think about this stuff until they grow up. And we sent a whole generation of 18 year olds off to college who had no values basis. They had no way of articulating what they believed, and then they blindly accepted everything their college professor said as objective truth. Why would they ever have a reason to question that? We have an obligation now to make sure that never, never happens again. So my parents had a great rule when we were growing up that there's no such thing as a kid's table at the dinner table. When we had family gatherings or reunions or holidays or whatever, kids have to

[Isabel Brown's Husband]

sit with the grownups and you have to have grown up conversations.

[Isabel Brown]

And it might be a little boring right now, but it's going to be wildly important in making sure you know what you believe and can back it up with objective truth by the time you're an adult.

[Madison Pruitt Trout]

That's so good. I love that everyone's about writing down notes.

[Isabel Brown's Husband]

No kids table. No kids table.

[Madison Pruitt Trout]

Okay, so when we're talking about like these agendas being pushed, who are they? Like, who are the people that are behind? I mean, obviously we know the demons, we know Satan, we know the spiritual side of it, but who are like the people that are kind of creating these agendas and trying to push these agendas on the younger generation?

[Isabel Brown's Husband]

I love this question. It feels like we're in like A conspiracy Sean Ryan episode. I'm like, oh, no.

[Madison Pruitt Trout]

Okay, listen, my family, we are conspiracy theorists. We like get into all the things. But I just, I am. Yeah. I'm curious what your response to that would be.

[Isabel Brown]

Well, not to sound too like playing the tinfoil hat game of all the radical conspiracy theorists, which we love to do on our, our show too. I think people just need to understand that there is an elite group of individuals all over the world that is intentionally working together to push this stuff at the same time. And that's coming from a couple of different directions. It's not like they always have a

[Isabel Brown's Husband]

meet up every few months and they're

[Isabel Brown]

making sure they're all on the same, same page. Although they do do that once a

[Isabel Brown's Husband]

year at the World Economic Forum in

[Isabel Brown]

Davos in Switzerland with some of the most powerful CEOs and politicians and really, really elitist, wealthy, powerful individuals who are controlling a whole lot of the stuff. Stuff in the world that you may not realize is interconnected. The basis, of course, is Satan. And that's very easy for us to understand if we're willing to acknowledge spiritual warfare and what's really happening behind the scenes. But I think ultimately this is coming from entrenched power. And the way that I would say that is the teachers unions, the more deep state aspect of the government, bureaucrats that have been there for a very long time, that have planted these seeds for a long time. And not to get too political, radical, radical leftism. And I say that with a capital L, meaning everything that is antithetical to classical liberalism and conservatism as we have known it as the foundation of America for our entire country's identity. Classical liberalism, not associated with the Democrat party, but generally the foundation of Western society is at odds with most of the political left in America today. And if you go back just a couple of decades, really, and you look in the Congressional record in the 1960s, the American communist Party, which is a real thing that's not like a secret conspiracy theory, actually read into the Congressional Record their goals to take over America. And I think there's like 60 to 100 of these goals off the top of my head. We read them on our show a couple months ago. But they all center around one thing, which is basically total societal control and erasure of the building blocks of society like the church and education and the family. And these things are what they are constantly going after to make sure that America is. Ceases to exist as we have known it. Western society ceases to exist as we have known it. And they have the ultimate opportunity to indoctrinate your kids into an authoritarian culture. So they wanted to take over student newspapers. They want to make it easier for people to get divorced. They want to ramp up production and normalization of pornography. They want to make kids think that they can be separate from the family unit and the society has to get involved in educating your kids. Discrediting the Bible was one of their specific examples of how they were going to take over American culture. So you can go point by point by point here and realize this was

[Isabel Brown's Husband]

a long time ago, that this strategy

[Isabel Brown]

was set out many, many decades in advance. And I'm sure people at that time thought, that's crazy, that'll never happen. These people are just radical conspiracy theorists. But because you weren't intimately involved every step of the way, those seeds were planted and then ended up flowering when everyone's grandchildren ultimately started coming into adulthood. So being incredibly vigilant now, when you're hearing some of these more radical individuals, and especially those in positions of power, politicians, CEOs, teachers unions, presidents, all over the world of various organizations and companies, when they're telling you what they want to do, they're being honest about what they want to do. And I think we just have to realize that you're not a radical, crazy conspiracy theorist for saying something's off about that. We need to fight against that now. In reality, it would be worse if you just buried your head in the sand and said, eh, it'll never happen.

[Madison Pruitt Trout]

Goodness. I feel like for a lot of Christians and believers, when they think about politics or everything that's going on in the world, there's, there's typical responses. Usually I feel like one is Jesus on the throne. So I'm not worried about anything. She's coming back. I'm not worried about any of that. And there's this just like, I'd rather, you know, ignorance is bliss, you know, kind of mindset that is one side of the coin. I feel like the other side of the coin is almost this really anxious, fearful, almost like hyper fixated spirit on every little thing that's going on and almost like becoming obsessed with like, I think that becoming like the, the truth, like not Jesus's truth, but the truth. And so I'm curious how one, you've been able to stay so grounded in your faith and values and fight those tensions off. But also just speaking to both of those perspectives because I don't think either, neither of those point of views are good and we have a role as believers to Fight for truth, to stand for truth, to know what the truth is, but also to fight for values and God's design and, you know, all of those things. And so it. We can't just, you know, be a bystander and act like nothing's happening and I'm just gonna go live in my comfortable little bubble. But we also don't want to, you know, be obsessive and those kinds of things either. So.

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[Madison Pruitt Trout]

What would you say to. To those people?

[Isabel Brown]

I am not perfect at it, and I don't think anybody is. Right.

[Isabel Brown's Husband]

It's.

[Isabel Brown]

It's our human nature to get sucked into some of this stuff or to

[Isabel Brown's Husband]

just say, you know what, I'm out. I don't have the capacity to deal

[Isabel Brown]

today, even though I might be called to. And so I navigate that every single day. And I fail at that all the time. And so just reminding people it's okay to feel like you haven't had it all figured out yet. That is a lifelong journey, and I doubt any of us will ever figure it out perfectly because we're not God, we're not omniscient. We don't know what's going to happen tomorrow and the next day. And. And those are all things that we do worry about. We get preoccupied by. I'll start with the latter of the hyper involved.

[Isabel Brown's Husband]

Freak out, the sky is burning and

[Isabel Brown]

falling people all the time.

[Isabel Brown's Husband]

There's a lot of that in the

[Isabel Brown]

world that I work in right now, and it's the easiest way to get

[Isabel Brown's Husband]

clicks and views and make sure people

[Isabel Brown]

are subscribing to your podcast. And so a lot of people with microphones in particular really get sucked into that. That's a mistake. And it certainly is a mistake from a Christian perspective and from our faith too, because there is only one commandment from God that is repeated exactly 365 times in Scripture, and that is do not be afraid. The Catholic Church, interestingly cites fights despair as a grave mortal sin. And I didn't realize that growing up. I certainly had never heard that before the last few months. And I think we have a lot of reasons to be despairing, especially for those of us in the more political world right now with assassinations and death threats and all kinds of stuff that are happening that make us feel like, oh my gosh, I just can't put one foot in front of the other tomorrow or the next day. Despair is a sin, and it is the opposite of faith, because it means that we have given up on God's ultimate sovereignty over humanity and the Promises that he leaves us, us. And I needed that reminder the last few months because the sky isn't falling. Ultimately, yes, we know based on scripture, things are going to get crazier and crazier and crazier and maybe seem worse and worse and worse until Jesus comes back. But at the end of the day, he already won. And we're not called to be hands off because of that. We have to be intimately involved in the trajectory of humanity because of that. But we can rest assured knowing that no matter what happens to us, even if, God forbid, our job was to be taken away, our friends were to be taken away, our safety were to be taken away, or even our life, which we had a very intimate reminder of this last year. At the end of the day, Jesus has already won and he has already defeated evil and sin on that cross. So we can always have hope in that. And that's ultimately especially what people with a microphone need to be reminding their audiences of every day rather than continuing to fear monger and scare people into. It'll never get better. It already will.

[Isabel Brown's Husband]

It already will. But we have a role to make sure that we get there.

[Isabel Brown]

So the second half of that is. Is I think it is so tempting for people to say, well, Jesus is

[Isabel Brown's Husband]

king, Christ is king. I'm out. I'm just gonna go do my thing. I'm moving to the woods. I will say this.

[Isabel Brown]

I have felt that pole more in the last six months than ever before in my life. And, oh, try not to get emotional without going into all of it, especially after Charlie was killed. And it was the easiest thing in the entire world for me to look at my husband and say, okay, we're done. Yeah, that was nice while it lasted. That's good.

[Isabel Brown's Husband]

Let's move to Wyoming. We're gonna buy 10 acres and never speak to anyone again and become cattle ranchers and live off the land, and

[Isabel Brown]

we'll just literally never do any of this again. And I legitimately thought about that for a long time because there was such a scary new reality of people coming after photos of our kid on social media and saying, we know where you live. We're gonna come kill your child. People screenshot photos of my family that I've posted from years ago, or they'll find them through social media or whatever. I mean, AI can tell you anything now. So people will look up, who's Isabel Brown'? And they'll send me pictures of my mom with, like, horrible things, my sisters with horrible things. So I've had to stop posting and tagging my family on social media, which is insane. The things that you are seeing come out of the woodwork, and the demons getting a whole lot louder is terrifying. And it is the easiest thing in the entire world to say, okay, I'm done. God, I'm not cut out for this. Please don't call me to this part of activism and changing the world. But when I started going down that rabbit hole and thinking along that trail, I thought back to the last time I saw Charlie in person, which was a week before he was killed. And I was incredibly fortunate and privileged to share the stage with him in California at one of his last speaking engagements on this earth. I hadn't seen him in like nine months, so it was really fun. And weirdly, usually we got like 15

[Isabel Brown's Husband]

seconds with each other backstage at some of these events, like, hey, saw your tick tock.

[Isabel Brown]

Good one.

[Isabel Brown's Husband]

Loved that hit on cnn. Haha. And then we would give each other

[Isabel Brown]

a quick side hug and move on. But the way that this event was structured, we were the only two speakers, and we had about two hours together in the green room before we took the stage, which was so fun. We got into really fun theological debates and conversations, and he FaceTimed his beautiful family, and I got to wave to Erica and the kids, and that was so fun. And by the time he went out on stage, I was so captivated by his message because it was addressing this very subject at a church. We were speaking at a big church in central California, and I joked to the lady who organized the event standing backstage, surely in another life, Charlie Kirk was a pastor. And she said, maybe someday he might still become a pastor. And of course, he was killed a week later. But the very end of his speech was all centered around eschatology and the role that Christians must play in this world to try to make it a little bit more like the next one. And he said, I know, I know. We're gonna open it up for Q and A. We're gonna bring Isabel back out here on stage for questions, and one of you inevitably is going to say, well, Charlie, I know for a fact Jesus Christ is coming back next Thursday, and

[Isabel Brown's Husband]

we will never have to worry about any of this stuff again. So I'm just gonna protect my family

[Isabel Brown]

and go do my own thing. Incredible foresight, by the way, that for him, he was in heaven next Thursday. So absolutely crazy. But he said, that's not what we're called to do as Christians. Christ gave us a very, very specific command to be salt and to be light. And that's One of the most misunderstood aspects of scripture ever. But ultimately, both salt and light have one thing in common. They dramatically transform the environment around them. They preserve things. Right. Salt is a preservative, and you conserve the beautiful things in society, but it also dramatically transforms. It changes flavor profiles. It can completely change the dish that you are eating. And light, when you turn it on, completely transforms the entire environment. Right. We are not called to just be passive in this world. If we were, we wouldn't have been given this opportunity at life. Our obligation, not just opportunity as Christians, is to do everything we can to fight for what is good and true and beautiful. And of course, he was killed a week later, but I. I love looking back at that as this beautiful call to action that ultimately this life is temporary. We cannot live for. Well, what if my kids get exposed to this thing? Or what if I lose my job? Or what if my cousin stops talking to me because they voted differently than me in an election and I'm encouraging people to vote against abortion? Or what if, what if, what if, what if? We could keep playing that game over and over and over again, but it could be tomorrow, it could be next Thursday, it could be a hundred years from now. What we're fighting for is about the ultimate salvation of all of humanity, and we are going to have to answer for that if we played a part in it or not.

[Madison Pruitt Trout]

Not so good. I literally was just. I love memorizing chunks of Scripture and I was memorizing Matthew 5 and, and doing, like, in depth study on it. But it's. It is so powerful when you start studying it and you learn, like, the context and the heart and the meaning and how it's talking about. But if salt loses its saltiness, how can it be made salty again? It's no longer good for anything except to be thrown out and trampled underfoot. And you're like, there's such. There's so much there, you know, and that's why, like, we are called to be salt. Like, we have a purpose. And if we're not walking out that purpose, like. Like we're not useful for anything.

[Isabel Brown]

Yeah.

[Madison Pruitt Trout]

And. And I love that, that that's like a call to courage, a call to conviction, which Charlie lived very boldly. And he. He's my husband's family friend. And it was a really. Just so sad. And. And I think the response in the world was very polarizing in a lot of ways. But I would say for those who shared a lot of the same values and beliefs that he did, you saw one of two responses of like, like a lot of fear and anxiety. Scared then to speak truth, scared to fight for truth. A lot of, I mean, just in circles that I was walking in, a lot of conversation of just like being afraid, being afraid, you know, that now there's a target on your back and there's this. And then I would say on the other side, this, like, rise to courage of so many people being like, I am Charlie Kirk, like, I'm gonna go out and I'm gonna, you know, take a stand and be bold and live this unashamed life like life is a mist and. And we're not promised tomorrow. And so how has that been for you since that moment you spoke to it? A little bit. But yeah, what has that been like? One just processing through losing someone that you deeply care about that meant so much to you. And also just that tension of not giving into fear, walking in courage and how that can be encouraging to those who listen. Because it is so hard in the world that we live in today to not feel weighed down and anxious by all that you see. I mean, I really don't think our brains were designed to see the chaos and the division of the world that we live in, to see it all the time. Like it does create a paralyzing anxiety of not only do I have all of these internal things that I wrestle with, but I live in this external world and situation where there's constant division, there's constant opinions, there's constant pressures, there's constant chaos. And it can just feel, like you said, despairing. It can feel so hopeless. And so how have you continue to like, fight the good fight of faith? How have you continued to stand firm, not giving into this like hopelessness or fear and continuing to like walk in that courage daily?

[Isabel Brown]

I'll start with that and then I'll come back to the Charlie piece of it because we were just talking about this with a group of my friends the other day, that we are not designed as human beings to be all knowing about all of these things all the time. And then we've added an extra layer of almost politically charged pressure on top of that, that you're a bad person if you don't immediately take a stand on every single crisis that's happening all over the world. Every war, every shooting, every tragedy, every woke social issue. I mean everything, if you aren't immediately posting about it on Instagram five minutes later, you are a bad person, you're a bigot, you're evil, you're whatever. We don't give people time to process any of this information, nor before that, should they even be accessing all of this information all the time? Because we are finite, right? We don't have the emotional capacity and psychological ability to process every tragedy going on on every face of the planet, every single second of every single day. Only God is. He's the only omniscient and omnipotent powerful being in the universe. And so I've had to really check myself over that in the last few years, especially since becoming a mom.

[Isabel Brown's Husband]

My focus becomes so much smaller every day. My whole world became this big, every

[Isabel Brown]

second of every day. And so I have to really realize, okay, people might say I'm an evil person if I don't commentate on that thing in three hours, but do I really need to do that today? Or can I let it breathe for a little while, make sure I know how I feel about it before I say something or just say, you know what, that's a tragedy. I'm gonna pray about that and give that to God. But I don't have the obligation to have to weigh in on that. It will not change the outcome. Like Newsflash, your favorite social media influencer,

[Isabel Brown's Husband]

your favorite podcaster or fashion blogger or

[Isabel Brown]

whatever, saying how they feel about a war happening on the other side of

[Isabel Brown's Husband]

the world probably isn't going to change the outcome of a war, but God might, right?

[Isabel Brown]

So again, that's. That's prayer being our first line of offense rather than our last line of defense. And realizing that maybe this is a mom and me speaking, you're not as important as you think you are. Actually, motherhood has humiliated me in all of the best ways.

[Isabel Brown's Husband]

Not in a bad way always. Although sometimes, right, you look in the mirror and you're like, I really looked like that all day.

[Isabel Brown]

But humiliated in a beautiful way. Because humility is a virtue. And ultimately it's forced me to have to give everything I have. My sleep, my time, my energy, my interests, my passions, date nights with my husband, my friend, time, my body, everything to someone else and ultimately to God. And that has been the most sanctifying, beautiful experience. So realizing I'm not as important as I think I am, my opinion on what's happening on the streets of whatever city, or a war happening on the other side of the planet isn't really going to change the outcome of things. And people aren't needing to hear what I have to say about it. As that's pertained to Charlie, I think there's been a difficult level of processing this that's maybe confusing to the average person, but those of us who worked for him for so many years and who knew him personally, I'll talk about it all the time that we have to kind of process in two layers right now. A you're mourning the loss of this amazing person who meant so much to you intimately, someone who you owe your career to, someone who you owe your family to. I can't tell you how many hundreds or thousands of families like mine met

[Isabel Brown's Husband]

at a TPUSA conference and worked for Charlie.

[Isabel Brown]

And we all have children now. And so there's this personal aspect to it that of course takes years and years and years to get through. And that's just grief when you lose anyone in your life, but especially in such a traumatic way, then there's this extra societal redefining layer of grief that I think we last honestly experienced in culture, probably with the death of Princess Diana. Like I haven't seen huge prayer vigils all over the world and people leaving teddy bears on the sidewalk and lighting candles in their community and all of these things ever since then. And we were toddlers when that happened. So our generation certainly has no level of experience with this. The day after he was killed, I didn't want to go outside, obviously, naturally. So it's. We live in a very tight knit community, but it's right in the heart of one of the craziest left wing

[Isabel Brown's Husband]

environments in the country.

[Isabel Brown]

And my husband said, you just need some fresh air. You immediately need some fresh air. Come on, let's just go for a little walk. We'll take the baby, we'll take the dog, let's go for a walk and come back. And ultimately we didn't know where to go. So we ended up at church and we prayed for a while, but as we were on our way to church, we sat in the this park because I was like having this big wave of grief and I just needed to sit down for a second. And as I'm sitting in this park near the river where I live, I look across the park and maybe from me to this camera Right now, 10ft away is another bench and a young man is sitting on this bench and he's scrolling through Charlie Kirk videos. And then I'm watching another person walk by and they're talking with their friend about Charlie Kirk having been killed the day before. And I'm like, this is a level of complete world changing cultural change that I don't really know how to process yet.

[Isabel Brown's Husband]

Because for me it was just my friend Charlie, right?

[Isabel Brown]

And I think that will take a lot of time to get through. I think our country certainly lost a moral leader of a generation. We are so hurting for what that could have turned into. Maybe he would have been a president of the United States or a pastor or a saint. I mean, who knows what. What Charlie could have. But we're seeing the effects of what happening, what's happening when he's not here already. And I think that's been really devastating. So there's an extra layer to that grief that we're still working through every day. That said, I'm consistently humbled and encouraged by how people have responded to his death in the most profoundly beautiful ways. You didn't see mass riots. You didn't see counter violence. You didn't see people calling for the other side to be exterminated or whatever. Right? The things that you probably would have expected in people's anger immediately after such a tragic event. Instead, instantaneously, everyone hit their knees in prayer all over the world. You saw prayer rallies and vigils of millions of people in London and Sydney, Australia, and Seoul, South Korea, and Johannesburg, South Africa, and certainly everywhere in America, too. And that speaks volumes, I think, to who he really was and what we're. What we're missing now that he's been left behind.

[Madison Pruitt Trout]

And he was so passionate about this younger generation, this Gen Z generation. I mean. And you're a part of Gen Z. You're the start of Gen Z. I sure am.

[Isabel Brown]

They call me the geriatric Gen Z.

[Isabel Brown's Husband]

Sadly, I get owned about it on social media all the time. There's this whole trend right now. I don't know if you've seen this, about asking people who you work with when they were born. And it starts with the 1990s. They put, like, headstones or the dinosaurs walking around, and I'm like, guys, I'm sorry.

[Madison Pruitt Trout]

See, I barely didn't make it. I'm 96. There you go.

[Isabel Brown's Husband]

My husband is, too, so I call him my millennial. Yeah, I'm millennial.

[Madison Pruitt Trout]

Yeah. So I didn't make Gen Z. But it's. I mean, I have two sisters who are Gen Z, and. And I'm almost there.

[Isabel Brown]

We'll count you.

[Madison Pruitt Trout]

You're honorary.

[Isabel Brown's Husband]

We'll accept you as a refugee.

[Madison Pruitt Trout]

But I. I think about Gen Z, and I'm like. I feel like they've been. And. And they've been given all of these kind of, like, things put on them. And I'm just so curious from your point of view, how has Gen Z be. Been misunderstood? And what would you say is Gen Z's like strength and weakness? Like what, what is something that Gen Z, you're like, oh, I'm really proud of them. And I think that this could really like be amazing. Like you, you talk about how they're going to change the world.

[Isabel Brown]

Yeah.

[Madison Pruitt Trout]

And then also like their downfall. And what is something that you pray Gen Z wakes up to?

[Isabel Brown]

That's a great question. I don't think I've ever been asked about that dichotomy before. So that's a good one. I wrote a book about gen Z in 2024. It came out right before the midterm elections. And I saw the writing on the wall with our generation a long time before all the political experts. Probably because I was living with it every day. Right. My sisters and I were constantly navigating these conversations in college, in social media, in our friend groups and our extended family, everybody. And so when everyone was screaming at you in advance of the fact, oh, there's this huge blue tsunami coming with Gen has 37 genders and has no idea what's going on in the world and it's going to be really bad. I wasn't quite buying that early on because what I was seeing was the exact opposite. That young people were desperate like always throughout human history to rebel against the people who came before us. And it turns out the people who came right before us are complete Marxist wacko rainbow hair. Like everything needs to be overhauled in society. Get rid of the constitution, God is dead, people.

[Isabel Brown's Husband]

So the cool punk rock, edgy thing to do is to go to church on Sunday morning and embrace traditional values

[Isabel Brown]

and get married and have a, a bunch of children and eat real food and move out of the city. And all of these conversations were what I was having from a non political perspective with all of my friends throughout the last several years. Of course, politics is downstream from culture.

[Isabel Brown's Husband]

So if you're gonna be changing things, you gotta change how people live their

[Isabel Brown]

day to day lives. And what I was seeing with Gen Z was an overwhelmingly divorced politics from this culturally conservative generation. People who were so hungry, starving really for tradition, for objective truth, for something to fall back on. And it's not hard to understand why that, that everything is changing every five seconds in our culture right now. It is constant instant gratification. So if you want something delivered to your doorstep in an hour, great. And then you can have the exact opposite thing delivered to your doorstep the next hour. And truth itself has become so subjective. Right. Reality is dependent upon the individual. We have no sense of objective morality anymore. And that leads to a very unhappy, very, very miserable and sick society. And that's what we've seen growing up up is record numbers of anxiety, depression, substance abuse, suicidation, certainly godlessness. As we were then projected to be the most godless generation in society, we

[Isabel Brown's Husband]

have shocked everyone by becoming the most Christian society. Maybe if we continue down this trajectory

[Isabel Brown]

and certainly the most faith driven generation we've seen in maybe a century, probably longer.

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Live better, longer with Momentum in American Culture Fun fact. We are the first generation to be going to church more often than our grandparents are on Sunday mornings. Bible sales are up almost 22% in our country this last year. As you mentioned, you're seeing these huge revivals on college campuses and mass baptisms. Conversions to Christianity are at all time highs all over the west, not even just America, but all across Europe and Australia. There's a beautiful hunger for truth and we believe truth has a name, right? And that name is Jesus Christ Christ. And that's transcending into so many different cultural changes right now. I think that's why you've watched the whole trans our kids conversation come back this way. Opinions about abortion are not so black and white generationally anymore. People are realizing the importance of protecting the most vulnerable people in our society and that we have to stand up for that as Christians. The fight for free speech is so different than it even was five years ago when everyone was calling to throw the Constitution out. Now you're watching young people say no. We desperately need to be having conversations with people who disagree with us and that's how we lead flourishing society. So I have nothing but hope for this generation. And it was really funny getting asked

[Isabel Brown's Husband]

to come on CNN and Fox News and all of the major players in the media world as the resident Gen

[Isabel Brown]

Z or and then just be laughed offset.

[Isabel Brown's Husband]

When I launched this book. Everyone Said, yeah, okay, that's a nice pipe dream. But sure, kid, we'll hear you out.

[Isabel Brown]

Lo and behold, it was Gen Z that decisively delivered a very, very politically conservative victory in the last major election and is only becoming much more, more culturally conservative with the younger half of us. And I'm very, very encouraged by that. Again, when you're going to school with furries in your elementary school who are

[Isabel Brown's Husband]

using litter boxes instead of bathrooms, it's totally understandable why young people are like, no, thank you. I don't want anything to do with that. I'd rather go to church on Sunday morning.

[Isabel Brown]

So that certainly is what I'm most hopeful in and excited about is that this all seems to be grounded in a genuine hunger and love of God. And that then is driving political values and cultural values, which, which of course is how our society should be set up. Right. Ultimately, that's not political at all. That's being set apart from the world and following the commandments of God and hopefully will lead to a beautiful and flourishing society that is reflecting his love for us. What I think Gen Z needs to work on perhaps is just more of what we've all been needing to work on for every generation in our culture. And that's this sense of external validation from everybody around you. The same pressure of, I have to post about this right away or I have to change my profile picture. Sure. Or I have to make sure that I wear this button to school, whatever it is. There's such an impending sense of doom that I have to immediately say something, do something, whatever, or I'm going to lose all my friends or I'm going to get a bad grade on a test or I'm going to lose my job. So I have to do something right now. Everything's going to be okay. And your true identity has to be so much bigger than what other people say about you. It has to be rooted in your existence. Thanks to. Thanks to a God who loves you, who made you on purpose, and who put you here in this timeline for a reason. Reason.

[Madison Pruitt Trout]

Come on. Amen. It's so easy to be swayed by the opinions of people, to do what you do, to be seen by others and to be validated by others and to just live your life with this, like, fear of man. And it, it's, there's that constant pull and pressure of the world, but it is like for us who are believers, we have to die to that daily and remind ourselves like we live for an audience of one. We live to please one. We are going to be face to face with one, we're gonna have to give an account to that one who is the king of all kings in the name above every name. And we will all be face to face with him one day. And it is a, a good wake up call to how are you living your life? How are you spending your time? What are you living for? What is your why? What is your heart? Because so often we just get caught up in all the things and in a lot of things that just don't really matter. And I, I guarantee you if Charlie could come back, it's like that's one of the biggest messages he would just say is just like, wake up like so many of us are living for, for, for worthless things. Like this is the only thing that matters. And now that he's in heaven, like he, I'm sure it's just like I can't even imagine all the rewards he got in heaven of just like fighting, fighting for truth and loving and loving people. And like that is what we're here on this earth to do. And you're doing that so beautifully. And I would love to just like end with. Is there any, I don't know, just like charge or encouragement that you would give? And then I would, I would pair that too with just. It can be overwhelming with all that is out there. Like how do people get. And this, a lot of this is through your show. How do people get informed without feeling overwhelmed and paralyzed?

[Isabel Brown]

Oh wow, that's a great question. Well, first and foremost, I think prayer has to be the first line that you go to and God will direct what needs to be directed your way to make sure you're aware of what you need to know. Right. So we always search out a million sources for things and we're constantly doom scrolling thing. I'm realizing I don't need to scroll as long every day and I don't really need to know about what a

[Isabel Brown's Husband]

teacher in Los Angeles said yesterday or

[Isabel Brown]

what some horrible crime that happened in Charlotte, North Carolina was yesterday in order to be well informed about what's going on in the world. So put your phone down for at least a few hours every day and just be grounded in reality three dimensionally that is all around you with what you touch and interact with every day. Because that is the environment you have been very intentionally put into by God who has a plan for your life. So it's okay to not need to know everything all the time. But if you are looking for the right resources, I think there's this beautiful renaissance of independent media that's happening right now that you don't really have to question where people are coming from. Historically, the rule for trusted media was that there was no bias associated with it. Right? There's no opinion charge here. I know. I don't know how the host feels about it. I trust that media with negative points now, frankly, because everyone has an opinion, everyone has an agenda. And when you're presenting it as this non biased trusted journalism source, in reality, what we've seen for the last several decades has just been mass brainwashing and in many cases state sponsored propaganda. It's been really, really bad to the point that they'll just straight up lie. I mean, great example of this in the last few weeks was the horrifying tragedy of the mass shooting in Canada. Instantaneously, every single newspaper, TV outlet, everyone was calling this shooter a female. They used that word, female. In reality, this person was a biological male who identified as a woman and had, you know, a female presenting physique to the world, but was a man. Right? And every single headline was saying female shooter, female shooter, female shooter. Because there again, there's a bias, there's an agenda there. So I think we have to get comfortable with realizing, okay, if everyone has an agenda and everybody has an opinion, who am I gravitating towards that has their opinion rooted ultimately in the truth of Jesus Christ? And if I can go after that, that then I might have a well informed perspective and vantage point for how to understand and filter all of these crazy things that's going on in the world. There are so many amazing outlets for young women on that front. Ali Beth Stucky comes to mind. I mean, her show is absolutely incredible in trying to inform you based on scripture and based on the truth of Jesus to understand everything going on in the world.

[Isabel Brown's Husband]

But there are 20 million of them out there, right? I'm at the Daily Wire. We have a ton of shows at

[Isabel Brown]

the Daily Wire that does that every single day. So. So just finding the one that resonates with you and the people that you love listening to, but being comfortable seeking out people who are overt in their opinion and perspective that they're coming from, that is ultimately rooting you in the truth of Jesus Christ is hugely important. And as for what we can do, I think my charge for our generation is really simple and it's not rocket science. It's not this crazy reinvent culture thing, but in a weird way is going

[Isabel Brown's Husband]

to reinvent culture because of our small

[Isabel Brown]

choices that we make every day, day have courage to be willing to do what the world is commanding you not to, when everyone is screaming at you, to never fall in love and never get married and just sleep around with everybody as humanly possible. Maybe there's something to that, and maybe there's a beauty in marriage that people with a nefarious agenda are trying to hold you back from. Marriage is beautiful, and it's sanctifying and the greatest love story you will ever experience in your life. So have the courage to actually fall in love and commit to someone forever. When everyone is screaming at you that kids are going to ruin your life, maybe there's something to that. And it's okay to have as many

[Isabel Brown's Husband]

kids as you possibly want to before you think you're ready, before you can afford it. You're never quite ready to have a baby. There's no perfect time, but it will

[Isabel Brown]

make you the most beautiful version of yourself that never could have existed before that experience. And the same thing can be true for everything, right? The food that you're eating, the media that you're watching. Have the courage to go against the grain, to seek what is good and true and beautiful and realize that those very small choices that you're making in your life. Are you waking up today to pray? Are you taking your family to church on Sunday morning? Are you eating real food? Are you listening to the right media? Are you enjoying your time in this life with your loved ones? Are you focusing more on what's happening at home than everything else out there in the world? That is how we will change culture. Because if one person can do that, and then 10 people can do that, and then a million people can do that, all of a sudden we're living in a completely different country again. And I think we're halfway through that pendulum swing right now. But all it takes is continued courage, especially from Christians, to try to make this world a little bit more like the next one.

[Madison Pruitt Trout]

Come on. Amen. Continued courage. I love that so much. And you walk out that message so beautifully. So thank you so much. Thank you for being a courageous and joyful voice. It can be very easy, I think, in this world of, you know, what do you. What do you say? Not political, but cultural.

[Isabel Brown]

Cultural, cultural.

[Madison Pruitt Trout]

To be more cynical and to be really, really intense. And I love that you bring it back, back to the truth of Jesus Christ. I love that you bring it back to. We have hope, we have joy, because we know that this is not home, that heaven is our home, and we are citizens of heaven, and this life is a mist. But how we spend our time here really matters, and we want to bring as many people with us as we can to the next life into heaven with us. And so, yeah, this does matter. And. And sharing the gospel and standing for truth and being courageous and joyful and all of the things really matters. And I continue to thinking about John 16:33 as we've been talking, because it can be overwhelming in the world that we're living in today. But I just want to encourage everyone listening or watching this that Jesus is like, no, in this world, you will have trouble. But take heart, I have overcome the world. And that's why we have peace and that's why we have hope is because hope has a name and his name is Jesus. Peace has a name, and his name is Jesus. Truth has a name, as you've said, and his name is Jesus. And I know that that is what we believe and where we stand and why we have hope and joy. So thank you so much for coming on and just encouraging us. I've been encouraged by this conversation. I know so many people are, like, informed, charged, encouraged, empowered. And I'll be linking as well, all of her stuff to the show notes so that you guys can go and check out her and her show and her books and all of the things, but you're just awesome. I'd love for you to just pray over our audience. I love that you've continued to reference back to prayer, because I say the same thing all the time and actually wrote that in my book. A very similar thing in my book of just the power of prayer and how so often it's an afternoon after afterthought and not our first line of defense. And so I'd love for you to

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just pray over the audience.

[Isabel Brown]

Yeah, I would love that. Let's pray together. Lord, please continue to inspire this generation as we are called to fight for you, for the truth, for goodness, and for beauty in a world that is constantly trying to destroy it all. Make young people aware that they already have the tools that they need to succeed, that you have called them for a purpose for such a time as this, and made them with love, love and intentionality beyond anything this world ever has to offer. Help us to remain courageous in the face of evil, to understand that it is happening and be well informed, but also to have the bravery to continue to fight against it, no matter what those consequences are, and continue to root our identity ultimately in your children and in our ultimate citizenship in heaven. Amen.

[Madison Pruitt Trout]

Amen. Amen. Thank you so much for just covering us in prayer and and sharing so much wisdom with us. I'm so encouraged by you and challenged by you and so grateful for this time. And as always guys, be sure to stay you Stay True. We love you. Stay True Podcast is brought to you by Progressive Insurance do you ever think about switching insurance companies to see if you could save some cash? Progressive makes it easy to see if you could save when you bundle your home and auto policy. Try [e-mail], progressive Casualty Insurance Company and affiliates. Potential savings will vary. Not available in all states.

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