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This week, we are sharing the latest episode of a new weekly national security and foreign policy podcast: The Long Game, hosted by Jake Sullivan and Jon Finer.

Jake and Jon discuss MBS’s visit to the White House and what Saudi Arabia walked away with after meeting with Trump. A major corruption scandal inside Zelensky’s government just as Washington pushes for a new peace plan for Ukraine. And a tabletop exercise mapping the risks of shifting thousands of national-security personnel away from counterterrorism, cyber, and sanctions work and into immigration enforcement, and what those trade-offs mean for America’s ability to respond to real threats.

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