Are Americans REJECTING Homosexuality? | Guest: Jon Harris | 6/5/26

Summary

Steve Deace Show

Episode: Are Americans REJECTING Homosexuality? | Guest: Jon Harris | June 5, 2026

Podcast Network: Blaze Podcast Network
Host: Steve Deace
Main Guests/Panelists: Jon Harris (documentarian, commentator), Todd Erzin, Aaron McIntyre

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Overview

This episode of the Steve Deace Show dives deep into shifting American attitudes toward homosexuality, generational changes in evangelical and conservative political coalitions, and offers frank conversation about the moral and social landscape of the country. The panel discusses recent Gallup polling about declining moral acceptance of homosexuality, the "MAHA" movement’s (an organic populist, back-to-the-roots conservative coalition) emergence, and wider trends in both conservative and progressive politics. Lively, irreverent, and pointed, the episode features guest Jon Harris and a roundtable discussion, grounded in a worldview-heavy, biblically influenced conservative critique.

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Segments & Major Discussion Points

1. Jon Harris’ Documentary, Female Pastors, & Southern Baptist Controversy

• [00:38-02:16]
• Jon Harris plugs his upcoming documentary "Battle for the Bible," focused on the Southern Baptist Convention (SBC) and its struggle over female pastors.
• Harris explains the issue:
  • The SBC’s governing documents restrict the office of pastor to men, yet many congregations are rebelling.
  • “Are the Southern Baptists going to be Southern Baptists, or are they going to allow things to slide? That’s the real question.” — Jon Harris [01:29]
• This controversy serves as a broader litmus test, not only for theology but also for denominational identity.

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2. Issue 1: “Bleep. Lord Nefarious Says” – Liberal Rhetoric & Outrage Compilation

• [03:58-13:58]
• A rapid-fire montage of recent progressive statements, from threats against political opponents to children’s messaging about pride, radical immigration positions, and commentary on America’s state.
• Discussion of how such rhetoric is escalating and seemingly becoming normalized.
  • Jon Harris singles out a particularly violent death threat as the “wickedest of the wicked.” [06:59]
  • Steve Deace responds with dry sarcasm on the supposedly ‘rhetorical’ state of this hate, noting the precedent of real-world political violence.
  • Aaron McIntyre points out the hypocrisy of “love, kindness, respect” messaging, contrasting it with violent or hateful replies from the same voices.

Memorable Quotes:

• “We’re just getting accustomed to this. … We’re now getting so used to this, we’re just assuming that this is just part of the new rules of engagement, that we hide from them so they can shoot us.” — Steve Deace [09:30]
• “They want to hurt us. They want to kill us. That’s fun for them. They enjoy it.” — Todd Erzin [12:25]

Exit Question: Total Depravity Index

• All panelists rate the week’s “level of depravity” as 10 out of 10—“It’s always 10.” [13:41]

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3. Issue 2: Is MAHA the Coalition of the Future?

• [14:47-29:39]
• MAHA-aligned candidate Zach Lane upsets an establishment candidate in the Iowa gubernatorial GOP primary, blending populist anger at Big Ag/Big Pharma, cultural conservatism, and aggressive immigration critique.
• Lane’s victory speech highlight:

  “We have to use every resource we have to solve this. We have to find out what Big Ag and Big Pharma knew about the safety of their products and when they knew it. ... You can’t fight corruption if you’re beholden to the people causing it.” — Zach Lane [15:14]

• Discussion points:
  • Generational divides: Over-65s lean establishment, under-60s lean populist/anti-corporatist.
  • Is MAHA a short-term trend or the new normal? All agree it’s resonating, especially post-COVID, where trust in institutions is battered.
  • Evangelical grassroots turning to alternative medicine, home birth, skepticism of medical authority—described as returning to “the created order.”
• Jon Harris:

  “If things continue in the MAHA direction, this actually spells doom for the LGBT movement. ... What they’re saying is we don’t trust the government ... because God created this world, there’s a design we’re supposed to function by.” [21:30]

Democratic Coalition of the Future

• Panel sharply characterizes the left’s coalition as held together by “spiritual darkness” and “hatred against the created order.”
  • “There’s going to be one party that’s in favor of the created order and one party that’s not. It’s coming down to that.” — Jon Harris [29:32]

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4. Gallup Poll: Is the U.S. Rejecting Homosexuality?

• [34:38-43:32]
• Gallup data: Moral acceptance of homosexuality—after decades of increase—now declining among Republicans (to pre-2010s levels), as well as among independents and, slightly, Democrats.
  • “We’re actually back to where we were before the ... millennial generation became politically aware.” — Steve Deace [35:36]
• Analysis:
  • Panel credits the left’s overreach (e.g., trans activism, targeting of children) for a pendulum swing.
  • Jon Harris: “I think there was a backlash against it...[the logic is] we need to get back to some kind of a created order.”
  • Skepticism from Aaron McIntyre—thinks some of the decline is due more to cultural exhaustion than conviction.
    • “I think part of this might just be exhaustion. ... I'm tired of it. Therefore, it's morally wrong.” [43:32]

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5. Top “Pride Month” Moments (Humor Segment)

• [43:48-45:29]
• Favorite/most emblematic Pride-related corporate promotions:
  • Tampa Bay Rays posting about Breonna Taylor on Opening Day.
  • Dylan Mulvaney and Bud Light partnership (“when the levy broke”).
  • He-Man movie as a running panel joke.

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6. Predictions Segment

• [45:33-46:49]
  • Panelists predict more MAHA-type candidates will emerge, the rise of the data center as a political issue, Zach Lane’s general election chances, and the possible appointment of Ted Cruz as a “college football czar.”
  • “The MAHA messaging has constructed a path where he [Lane] can give Iowans a reason to vote for him regardless of these other meta issues.” — Steve Deace [47:09]

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7. Listener Feedback Friday

• [50:10-95:44]
• Multiple heartfelt letters from listeners, including a widow whose late husband pre-ordered Deace’s book for their grandchildren and a school board president who led a breakaway to found a new Christian school.
  • Panel emphasizes living sacrificially, the importance of biblical masculinity, and legacy.
• Long, in-depth roundtable (highlights):
  • Should Christians focus on mission or protection regarding Muslim immigration?
    • The consensus: Christian mission means “invading” spiritually, not permitting one’s homeland to be overrun (invasion vs. mission).
    • “No, we don’t permit invasion here. We invade them with a mission. More in a moment.” — Steve Deace [71:03]
  • Fifty-minute discussion on Christian dating/marriage struggles, generational selfishness vs. biblical sacrifice in relationships.
    • "The bill is coming due for what we ... did culturally for too long." — Steve Deace [92:06]

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Notable Quotes & Moments

• Jon Harris:

  “I think what unites them now [the Democratic coalition] is hatred. Against the created order. ... There’s going to be one party that’s in favor of the created order and one party that’s not.” [29:20-29:32]

• Aaron McIntyre:

  “You can be 100% in line as a believer with your calling to share the gospel... and also call ICE on illegal aliens. There is no tension there. There’s none. That’ll preach right there.” [66:55]

• Todd Erzin:

  “Duty is doing something you’re clearly called by God to do. ... We have a selfishness problem.” [68:57, 91:18]

• Steve Deace:

  “Your responsibility is to do what God told you to do as often as you can, as best you can, and then to own it when you don’t and get back to doing that again, and wash, rinse, repeat until you’re dead. That’s your responsibility.” [70:09]

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• 00:38 – Jon Harris introduces his SBC documentary.
• 03:58 – “Bleep. Lord Nefarious Says”: montage of leftwing outrage statements.
• 06:59 – Panel’s “most wicked” moment; rhetorical violence on the left.
• 14:53 – MAHA coalitional victory and its significance.
• 18:41 – Todd on generational trends and authenticity.
• 21:30 – Jon Harris: Maha and the “created order.”
• 34:38 – Gallup’s polling: is America rejecting homosexuality?
• 41:22–42:16 – Panel: “unnatural” vs. “immoral,” and differences in anti-LGBT sentiment’s root.
• 43:48 – Favorite/most absurd Pride Month corporate promotions.
• 45:33 – Predictions segment.
• 50:10 – Listener Feedback Friday begins; stories of legacy, Christian leadership, and new schools.
• 64:46 – Islam, immigration, and the mission question.
• 80:52 – Christian dating, standards vs. expectations, and marriage prospects.

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Tone and Approach

• Highly engaged, biblical perspective, peppered with dry humor and snark.
• Regular use of rhetorical questions, direct audience address, and vivid anecdotes.
• Panelists do not shy away from blunt moral critiques or spiritual language.
• Tension between addressing pragmatic political realities and declaring theological absolutes.

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Conclusion / Final Thoughts

• Deace and panel reiterate that cultural malaise and increased depravity are symptoms of deeper spiritual drift. The only way forward is to “go through,” returning to conviction, faith, and personal responsibility.
• The episode ends on a call for hope—never give up, even when cultural trends seem dire, as “God’s plans are not our plans or timelines.” [94:13]

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For More:
Check out Jon Harris’ documentary on the female pastor controversy at his YouTube channel or the Church Reform Initiative.
Steve Deace’s children’s book “Why Independence Day: America is Great Because God is Good” is available on Amazon.

Transcript

[A]

And greetings. Happy Friday. Welcome to the Steve Day Show. That would be me. He is Todd Erzin. He is Aaron McIntyre. We are going to be joined in fact right now by John Harris, who's going to be our guest today on the DACE Group. John, good to see you, brother. How are you?

[B]

Good to see you, Steve. Doing very well. Have a documentary coming out later today. Aaron gave me the permission to plug it on the largest Protestant denomination in the country, the Southern Baptists and their controversy over female pastors. So be looking out for that.

[A]

Tell our audience why this is a uniquely fundamental issue to the Southern Baptist Convention in terms of articulating where someone truly stands on the broader theological issues. That would be more of a touchstone to the average American out there. Sure.

[B]

So the title is Battle for the Bible, the female pastor controversy in the Southern Baptist Convention because this really is a battle for the Bible among the Southern Baptists. They fought this battle in the late 80s, early 90s. They won it. They're fighting it again. It's in their governing documents for that particular body. So the Baptist faith message says that the office and function of a pastor is reserved for men. But there's many churches that are rebelling against this and employing women pastors, having them preach on Sunday morning. And so it's more than just even being against the Bible. It's also just failing to live up to the documents that govern your organization. And there's plenty of organizations you can join that allow female pastors. So are the Southern Baptists going to be Southern Baptists or are they going to allow things to slide? That's the real question.

[A]

And where can people watch this documentary later today?

[B]

They can go to my YouTube channel, conversations that Matter. Or they go to the Church Reform Initiative, which is the organization that helped fund this.

[A]

All right. And then you've got an outstanding substack, folks, if you want to get smarter, make sure you're reading John's stuff. And where can people find that John?

[B]

Substack.com johnharris Pretty easy to remember.

[A]

So next hour, it's going to be your turn on a Feedback Friday. We are brought to by our friends over at Relief Factor. If you're struggling with too much chronic pain, that's probably because you have too much inflammation in your joints. That's your back, your knees, your neck, your hips. That's why that that pain seems to manifest, that lingering soreness and achiness seems to manifest there. Now, we're not claiming this is a magic potion, but it might be the solution You've been looking for the relief, maybe is a better way of putting it that you've been looking for over the years. Over 1 million people have tried the three week quick start from relief factor. 70% of them have seen such good results that they ended up sticking with the product long term. It's a drug free supplement and it costs you just 20 bucks to find out if it goes after successfully in your body, the inflammation in your joints that's probably causing your chronic pain. So why don't you see if you don't see a difference in your pain and an improvement in your quality of life in three weeks or less when you go to relieffactor.com that's relieffactor.com and now it's time for the day Scroop. Your weekly look at the week that was begins as it always does with issue one bleep. Lord nefarious says 51 years of pride in the future. 51st state. We're celebrating Pride month in the gayest city in the world. Let's bring in Paulina Magabut, content and creative director at the dnc. So Katie Miller has been posting about you. She went on Fox and she's been talking about you and she's made it

[C]

very personal about you, Paulina.

[A]

So I want to give you the opportunity right now to respond to Katie Miller. If she's watching this. What do you want Katie Miller to know? I want Katie Miller to know that her husband is an ugly. I hate you, Maga. I hate you so much. You are hateful. God, please kill this mother. He needs to die. I've never felt like that about anyone given my profession. It's counterintuitive. But you know what? That guy, he needs to die. I have never been a violent person, but I'm about to drive up there with my God neck knife and give that mother a smiley face across his neck. So much negativity in the world going

[B]

on right now when it comes to the acronym lgbtqia.

[C]

Right? Children need to hear that encouragement.

[A]

Children need to hear that they matter.

[C]

Children need to hear that everything in

[D]

their life isn't negative.

[C]

Has Somali immigration been good for Ohio?

[D]

You know, that's really outside of my

[C]

purview of you're a state senator.

[A]

Would you like to see more information?

[D]

Well, as far as, as far as

[A]

I'm processing your question and I'm, I have to say that I, I was almost brought to tears just now.

[C]

To my queer siblings, happy pride. To our haters. Give up actually though, give up.

[A]

Love, respect, and peace, that's us. Love, respect and peace, that's us. LoveoResT and peace, that's us. Love, respect and peace, that's Us.

[D]

It's not just abolishing ICE. It's reducing customs and Border Patrol from the hundred mile jurisdiction to just 10. They are there for a specific purpose, not more. My first act in Congress will be to ensure that we have Truth and Reconciliation Commissions. I want to unmask these ICE agents. I want them named and I want victim compensation for what they have done.

[A]

Did you ever see signs that he was falling into cognitive decline? No. No. No. Truly, no. In one month, America will mark the 250th anniversary of its founding. Like previous anniversaries, there is a deep unease about this.

[B]

I feel a deep unease about the

[A]

celebrations to which I am invited to mark the 250th anniversary of our so called democracy. Which is exactly why you should have never been allowed into the country in the first place there, bubba. Let's get to it. All right, John, as the guest, you always get the first crack when you're in the guest slot there. So what was the wickedest of the wicked that you just were subjected to and why?

[B]

Rhonda Lee, because she threatened murder. So none of the other ones that I could hear threatened to kill anyone. And Rhonda Lee saying she wanted to kill presumably the President there. So I would say that's the worst.

[A]

It's a good thing that we know, John, that this is just for rhetorical flourish and that this is just a talking point. And there haven't been any recent actions or any kind of attempts to act on these rhetorical flourishes and talking points. So we all know that these are just all, you know, turns of phrases, tongue in cheek, and no malice is truly intended here. This is just all vamping for the cameras. It's a good thing that we do. We're comforted by that. Correct?

[B]

Oh, sir, that's right. It's the party that gives you abortion on demand. And we just saw. I know you didn't play the clip at Jesse Ridgeway earlier this week, saying on camera with his wife, we're going to abort our down syndrome baby. I'm sure that party, that group of people, they would never actually carry out any kind of threat of murder. They just. They just do it in policy ways in a corner over there where it's clean and safe. Safe, legal and rare.

[A]

Some might say yes, indeed, yes. Todd, what about you? It was the most wicked thing that you were just subjected to.

[D]

There's so much to choose from. Thank you, Aaron. Who was the chick, Aaron, that said, we're going to unmask the ICE agents?

[C]

That was some woman, some Democrat running for Congress, I believe.

[D]

Okay, it's her. Because it's very symptomatic of us watching things like this and putting a laugh track to the crazy instead of taking them seriously. When I complain about our problem with always having excuses for being anonymous, it's not that I want to unmask you with the law or with force or anything like that. I'm trying to get you to understand that unless you up your game and get in the fight as a citizen at a different level, where you're not always hiding and finding excuses, that chick's gonna win. She's gonna do more than unmask you. She's gonna take everything you hold dear away from you. That's the point I'm trying to make. It's a guarantee. She loves getting on the mic. She's promising she's gonna do it. But you've got reasons for why you can only anon. Your life never gonna work. Guaranteed. Loser.

[A]

Well, I mean, this is why I made the sarcastic remarks to John that I did. We have all kinds of precedent that what you're saying is true, that these people will act on these things. They are acting on these things. And in fact, we've become so numb to them acting on these things that at this point, when someone takes a shot at President Trump, it's just like someone text me or call me. If the bullet hit somebody that we know or actually connect, they're just becoming sunk cost. We're now getting so used to this, we're just assuming that this is just part of the new rules of engagement, is that we hide from them so that they can shoot us. We're just getting accustomed to this.

[D]

Yeah, it's. There's just too much money. It's just progress. We can't stop it. They're just gonna try to kill us now. I guess that's all we can do. It's the same nonsense. None of it's true. We just don't want to get uncomfortable.

[A]

I mean, and it's not just, you know, Normie, America, it's day 501 of the Trump presidency. Today's day 501. Not a single crook in the previous two administrations under Obama and Biden has been arrested. It's day 501 is day 501. At the very least, the greatest fraud, potentially the greatest fraud in American history. The. The Biden presidency and who was really running the show and what was really going on there? Nobody. It's day 501. Nobody has been Aaron.

[C]

A couple of dishonorable mentions. We'll go to Aunt Marge, the chain smoking, potty mouth woman there in between drags on her sixth cigarette of the morning by 9:00am I effing hate maga. I effing hate Maga. They're so hateful. Okay, second dishonorable mention. The legal defense fund for Carmelo Anthony, the teenager who stabbed teenager Austin, another teenager at a track meet. Austin Metcalf. The fact that he has a legal defense fund and they're painting him as some sort of. I don't know what they're painting him as, but they're coming to his defense. And the same people, one of the same people in that crowd of individuals outside, I believe the courthouse yesterday in Texas, saying, love, kindness, respect, that's us. Love, kindness, respect, that's us. One of the same people turns around and said, the only good cracker is a dead cracker. Multiple times.

[A]

Isn't it ironic? Don't you think?

[C]

Yes, we're doing great here. But the worst of the worst this week. And for those of you listening, which is most of you, you could not see, this is Jill Biden at the very end of that clip. Did you catch that?

[A]

I was just about to ask about that.

[C]

Did you catch that? Yeah, she's asked three times. I believe it was three times. Did you see any signs of cognitive decline with your husband? No. No signs. No. Truly? Truly. You see that little smirk at the end?

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

Yeah. That's psychopathic. I mean, that's just psychopathic. So that's the worst of the worst.

[A]

I was just about to ask if, if anybody else picked up on that. That was what I was about to ask for. Sure.

[D]

Well, they're. They're all psychopaths and that's why that, that. What is the point of this legal defense fund? It's the same thing as with Leo Mangioni. And it all speaks to the chick I mentioned who wants to unmask ICE agents. They want to hurt us. They want to kill us. That's fun for them. They enjoy it.

[A]

Let's get to the exit. Question. On a scale of 1 to 10, with 1 being the odds that Todd is not ashamed of me for loving the Minions. I love the Minions. I do. I don't care what Todd says. I love the minions. And 10 being the odds that Lindsey Graham is not ashamed that he was first in line to see he Man, I did that one for you. That one was for you. Although Rolling Stone did attack he man as being too alpha male of a film. I don't know if you saw that or not, but they did.

[C]

I thought you were gonna say on the scale of 1 to 10, with 10 being the odds that Lindsey Graham will be arrested for breaking into Graham Platner's house.

[A]

Oh, boy, that's way better than what I came up with. I yield the balance of my time to the fine gentleman from the other side of the glass there. Yes, rank this week's level of total depravity, Todd.

[D]

Well, first, you can have all the minions you want. If you don't go see he man, that's my deal. But 10.

[A]

10. Jon, what about you?

[B]

10. It's always 10.

[A]

It's always 10. Aaron, what say you?

[C]

When I was putting this together yesterday, I put together, I was like, scrubbing for clips and I'm like, I'm trying my best, but it's gonna have to be a mail in effort. And then after I got it done, I was like, oh, this sucks. It's a 10.

[A]

I thought for sure, Aaron, your entire montage was going to be reading the tweets of the guy talking about murdering his kid and how difficult it was for them as murderers to commit it, and then comparing that to other tweets he has talking about how far they went to save the life of their dog. I thought for sure that's what you were going to do.

[C]

I didn't know the thing about the dog until last night. Yeah, I was doing my best to give them the. There's no benefit of the doubt for murdering your kid. I understand they've had struggles with infertility. Heart goes out to them for that. Had I known about the dog, though, that probably would have been. It's just difficult in this format to, yeah. Make reading work. But had I known. Yeah, I would have definitely known that.

[A]

All right, let's get to issue two. Is this the coalition of the future?

[C]

MAHA flexed its political muscles this week with the upset win in the Iowa gubernatorial primary of Zach Lane, a farmer and businessman who defeated a strong field of four. Other candidates, including Trump, endorsed Congressman Randy Feenstra. During his victory speech, Lane articulated in part the MAHA message that propelled him to victory in the ag state of

[E]

Iowa has the fastest growing cancer rate in the world. We all know something is terribly wrong, but too many politicians from Washington D.C. to Des Moines have had their heads stuck in the sand while Big Ag and Big Pharma printed Money. This will not go on when I'm governor. Iowans are going to funerals for people dying at 60 whose parents live to be 80. We are losing the wisdom of a generation. We have to use every resource we have to solve this. We have to find out what Big Ag and Big Pharma knew about the safety of their products and when they knew it. And we need to direct our great state universities to use every resource at their disposal to fight this cancer epidemic and end it. This should have happened long ago. You all know this. But it didn't happen because politicians, by the way, politicians like Rob sand have looked the other way as corporate interests have pillaged our state. And why? Why have they looked the other way? Because you can't fight corruption if you're beholden to the people causing it. You can't stand up to special interests when they own your campaign. You can't put Iowa first when you're putting lobbyists first. I know many people have stood before you on election night making promises, because that's what politicians do. I'm not a politician.

[A]

All right, so Zach also ran on a really based immigration message, some of the most aggressive immigration messaging I've ever seen on Iowa airwaves. A very strong cultural message. The schools, including the public schools, ought to be very. Teaching pro Western civilization values. So this was a clear attempt. Whether this was his vision or just who he is, the. The end result was. Is. Is twofold. Number one, you saw the same generational lines of demarcation you saw in the Massey primary. Although I would argue for different reasons. I think that's a different way, different race than this one. That's just largely, you know, a measuring contest with two guys who whipped it out and now are just going to urinate on each other. That just became really personal, that there were no real existential issues there. That was just a urination match. But you did see a similar generational dichotomy here. If you were over 55. I'm sorry, if you were 65 or older, you voted for Randy Feenstra, the establishment candidate, by a few points. And if you were 60 and younger, in every other demographic, male and female, you voted for Zach Lane over Randy Feenstra by a few points. So the messaging that he combined there essentially mobilized evangelicals or Christian conservatives in Iowa. Most of those would be evangelicals with the maha language that you saw Aaron highlight in his speech. So is this an omen or an outlier? Is this the grassroots coalition of the future? Todd, what do you think?

[D]

I I obviously hope so. Listen. I proudly say, listen. I was Maha before Maha. This is how my family has lived for a long, long time. I. You didn't put a time stamp on it. I will simply say in the near term, Steve, yes, in the long term, in terms of, you know, sports betting, over, under, I would still probably take the under because it takes messengers with conviction to pull this kind of thing off. It has to be authentic. And to the extent that you do not care. This is Daniel. And you made this point about the independent wealth that is taken to tell Big Ag in Iowa or Big Pharma anywhere, you're full of beans. I just it. We don't have a great bench of people who are willing to do that. There's just too much money is the crack of the age, no matter what issue we're talking about. So something's got to change in order to make this true beyond the next five years.

[A]

Okay, John, what do you think?

[B]

Yeah, thanks, Steve. You're in an ag state in Iowa there, so I'm sure this is a huge issue. I live in a state. I'm in New York that's not as big of an ag state, but in the region I live, which is Apple country, this is big on the grassroots level. People are concerned about things like fertilizer and plastics and seed oils. I know the Kaiser foundation found that about 41% of US adults are connected in some way to the Maha movement. They're favorable to it, and that's 43% of voters. So if that's true, then I think you're going to see a lot more momentum. But I would expect to see it more in Iowa given that there's so much Big Ag there.

[A]

What do you hear in evangelical circles, John? Because what I hear all over the country is particularly amongst our Nana, our nanas and our mamas that this talk has surged. So my generation now would be the nana class. Your generation would be the mama class. Okay. Or the mama generation. I am hearing Christian moms and grandmothers say things I have never heard discussed or spoken en masse in Christian circles before, especially post Covid, I think is really the. The triggering event here. The idea that if they lied to us as much as frankly, people like Steve Days proved to us that they did right when we need. Right when they needed us the most, then how can we trust literally anything they've been telling us the entire time? A complete and total reevaluation of, of. Of the. The patient provider relationship, especially where our kids and grandkids are Concerned, you travel a lot in evangelical circles as well. Are you seeing the same thing?

[B]

It's not bubbling up to the elite circles of evangelicalism. For example, the Southern Baptist Convention generally does a resolution on a hot topic, whatever's hot in the media space, and tries to give a biblical view. And this happens every year that's not even on the radar next week as they meet. So that's the largest Protestant denomination. But I will say, I think on the grassroots level, this is happening quite a bit. So my own wife has basically gotten all the plastic out of our kitchen. My brother was the first one to do a home birth in the family after it was actually during 2020 and didn't want to do any vaccines. I thought that was kind of crazy at the time that that didn't make a lot of sense. What if there's a complication? Don't you need a hospital nearby? Well, my first. My daughter was born and we did the same thing that he did, and we're very happy with it. And I never thought I'd be in a doula's office with a bunch of hippies talking about how to bring a baby into the world. I thought that was the doctor'. So I'm experiencing this. I think a lot of Christians are also more connected to the natural order of things. And fundamentally, Maha, I think, is a conservative move in a way, because what they're saying is we don't trust the government to regulate these things. We need to have personal responsibility over our lives. And the reason is because God created this world, there's a design that we're supposed to function by. And so if we go back to the ways our bodies should function and the nutrients that they actually need, then I think that's a conservative move. That's a Christian move. Fun on a fundamental level, and at least it's an on ramp to those things.

[A]

Aaron, let's bring you in on this. So, I mean, you grew up, you know, you and Bella both did. Grew up in the quintessential Christian conservative kind of homes. You guys were surrounded by traditional evangelicalism, subculture values, you know, birth, until you guys went to the altar together. But Bella's also worked in the conventional medical system as a. As a. It's a delivery nurse, if I remember correctly. Right? Yep. And yet she also has a lot of skepticism about the conventional medical system. So a lot of young women, my own, my own daughter included, will go to her frequently and say, hey, can we trust the conventional system on this? What questions should we ask on that? Right. Essentially trying to get access to all the great tech that the conventional system has while not necessarily taking on the liability of it as well. So you guys are like right in the middle of this vortex. So what say you on this?

[C]

I'm sorry, Steve. You just cued that up perfectly for me to actually promote my wife. And I had no idea you were going to do it. Yeah, she's worked in all facets of hospital work. She's worked med surg, which is kind of general, every malady floor, that kind of thing. She's worked in the administrative side as well, in kind of the go between, between insurance providers, things of that nature. But most recently she's worked as a labor and delivery nurse, and she's actually this month going back to work as well as a labor and delivery nurse. And she has found that her filter, being skeptical of the world from which she works in and also her knowledge of the world she works in, her filter to other women, when they have questions about their pregnancies, have questions about birth, have pregnancy, questions about postpartum, has been really, really valuable because there is even amongst her more liberal friends, even they, when they get pregnant for the first time, something within the way God wired them, or maybe just things they haven't considered before. They're asking about vaccines, they're asking about things that have just been taken for granted as, hey, you always do it this way, you always do it that way. And so she has been a resource for a lot of women. But even in our own home, I could almost echo minus the home birth part of this, but it's something we've investigated. I could basically echo everything that John just said to the point that when we moved into this facility, Steve and I saw you put an air freshener in the bathroom. I rolled my eyes. I'm like, oh, man, I'm gonna go sterile from this air freshener. But as a shameless promotion, since you set it up, my wife has actually written six books. Now, she's taken several years to write these books. Jill Erzin, Todd's wife, actually edited the first version of this book, copy edited the first version of these books. Six books, 1,000 pages. It's a guide for women who are not full ready to have home births, but have a lot of the same questions and want honest answers. And it's called I am motherhood. IamMotherhood.com is where you can go when we launch, probably next week or in the next couple of weeks. But it's a lot of answers, specifically when it comes to pregnancy and birth on all of these types of issues. And I'll just tell you, I'll reveal as well, my wife is politically aware. She is informed the level of the level of optimism and energy that she has shown with Zach Lane. She was making sure recruiting other moms to vote for him as well. This thing is at least in a place like Iowa. I don't know if you can say the same thing across the board, but at least in a place like Iowa, this is the coalition of the future. And it should be. It should be.

[A]

Well, in terms of what it may mean for the country, what's going to start about five minutes after this midterm election is over, the Iowa caucus processes. And so what what is going to have a huge say in the environment that these GOP presidential candidates are going to begin traversing to our state and attempting to connect with and immerse themselves with? It is it's this environment. It's going to have spillover. Well, yeah.

[D]

Yeah.

[A]

Let's get to the exit question. What's the grassroots coalition of the Democrats future?

[D]

Oh, it was just established today. I don't know if you saw Pete Buttigieg was just invited to by the Iowa Democrats to be their keynote speaker. It. It's Aaron's montage. They're not stopping. It is we're going to trans your kids. Okay.

[A]

What do you think it is, Aaron? What do you think the grassroots coalition of the Democrats future is?

[C]

Have you come to torment us before the appointed time? Oh, son of man. That's their coalition.

[D]

Yes.

[A]

I, I should have gone to you last. Sorry, John, that you have to follow that up, but you must. How would you answer that question?

[B]

It's hard to say. I think they have to go libertarian more if they're going to attract and broaden their coalition. But I have to agree with Todd that I think it's going to be crazy people. It just seems like for the next election cycle, that's what we're looking at.

[A]

You know, and I asked this and I anticipated these answers because we could have told you what the Democratic coalition was even five years ago. Racial minorities, single women. Right. Non churchgoers. For the last few decades, the less you go to church and the more unmarried you are, the, the more likely you are to vote Democratic. Right. But I don't know that you can. We can necessarily certainly still the unmarried factor that that does. I mean, the more single you are, the more you vote Democrat comprehensively, if you look at all the data. But we're also seeing you know, married high end PhDs are voting Democrat too. We're, I think the Democrats used to be a coalition of disparate groups of identity groups which you guys answer seems to indicate is they are now no longer a personality driven coalition, but that they are an ideological driven coalition. Coalition.

[D]

Oh, even more than that, they are.

[A]

I mean what's an unmarried single mom? What's an unmarried single 23 year old single woman on her sixth abortion? What does she have in common with a PhD, married to the same woman for 30 years, that they have two kids and living in a brownstone in Manhattan? Nothing except for what?

[D]

Spiritual darkness.

[A]

Yep, exactly.

[D]

Yeah, yeah.

[A]

Isn't that what we're kind of saying here?

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

I mean their life, their lifestyles are different. Right. The circumstances, they're, their socioeconomic status is different. What would connect them the, the state of their soul?

[B]

I'm sorry, go ahead.

[A]

No, finish it. I got 20 seconds. I'll give you the last word, John, go ahead.

[B]

Okay, Steve, I think you made a great point because they did used to be the party of like the boss system. We're going to give perks to these different groups, but I think what unites them now is hatred. Against the created order.

[C]

Yep.

[B]

Against limitations. So there's going to be one party that's in favor of the created order and one party that's not. It's coming down to that.

[A]

Indeed. That's very well said. Glad I gave you those 20 seconds. That was an excellent summary. We'll come back, more of the Dace Group in a moment.

[C]

The steve day show.

[A]

Hey, real quick. So the vice president or former Vice President Mike Pence, one of the bigger mistakes Trump ever made. Wish you would have called me. I could have told him that at the time. Anyhoo, he has a new book out, came out on Tuesday. It's endorsed by two former House speakers, a former senator, a former governor and the Wall Street Journal editorial board. It was also given prominent feature on cable news on both Fox News and cnn. The latter being why most of you didn't see it. How many endorsements does my new book, why Independence Day America is great Because God is Good. How many does it have?

[D]

Small number.

[A]

Zero. Not that it couldn't got any, I just didn't ask. Most time you don't get endorsements for kids books. Right. How much cable news push has my book gotten?

[D]

Less than that.

[A]

Less than that. Less than zero. Less than zero. We are right now sitting about 800 spots higher than Mike Pence on the overall Amazon list. Explain that. His book is newer, so his book's gotten way more of a push. I mean 500 times of a mainstream media push. Now we've had like Glenn just had me on on Friday, all right, gave me a good 30 minutes last Friday to discuss the book, but nothing of the nature of what Pence has had pushing his book. And I am sitting 800 spots higher than he is right now on the

[D]

Amazon list because I can explain it. You have the courage to give the people the full monty, whereas John just got done plugging the fact that he's part of a project reminding people about what women are in scripture. We've had 2,000 years to figure that out, but here we still are. Notre Dame, by the way, my tribe, they're saying we really need to be welcome to lgbt. That and Mike Pence is a version of all of that.

[A]

The Mike Pence's of the world gave birth to all the laments. You just complained.

[D]

All of our excuses, all of our comfort, all of our lies, all of our nonsense. Mike Pence is a poster child for that. And you, whatever people have to say about you, they're like you. Just like, here it is. I can do no other. And that's why people will bank on you more than Mike Pence nine times out of ten.

[A]

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[C]

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[A]

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[C]

New Gallup data dropped this week, the first week of the Artist Formerly Known as Pride Month, showing political affiliations and whether they believe homosexuality is morally acceptable. Back in 2005, the first year of this poll, only 50% of Democrats thought homosexuality was morally acceptable, 53% of independents and 31% of Republicans. Over the next decades, all three groups saw their moral support of homosexuality increase, even increasing through the mid-20 teens, with Obergefell and cresting for independence first around 2020 for Democrats and Republicans around 2022. At its zenith, support for homosexuality at a moral level had super majorities among both Democrats and independents and a majority of Republicans. Now in 2026, still a super majority of Democrats believe homosexuality is morally acceptable. 64% of independents and 35% of Republicans, all three in decline in moral support for homosexuality, with Republicans now back around where they were in 2005.

[A]

All right, so here's the thing, John Harris, because we're this ties into the whole youth in Israel and the young men online, because this is where you get the benefit of age. I'm old enough to remember when my generation Gen Xers, Todd, we were going to be the ones coming out of the sexual revolution. We got access to all of dad's penthouses and hustlers. None of us graduated from high school as virgins. We were going to get rid of abortion, right? We were going to do that. We're the most, this is the most hardcore pro life the right has ever been is like right this minute we're like literally debating whether we should put, you know, women who commit abortions into prison or not. We're debating that right now in mainstream. So the Ron Paul millennial generation was going to make us all pro homo and we were all going to have to become pro homo. We were all going to have to abandon marriage and everything else to win. This data says. Yeah, that's not. We're actually back to where we were before the Ron Paul millennial generation became politically aware. And so now we're sitting here and we're all going to have to become anti Semites and rethink Winston Churchill because of Nick Fuentes and Tucker Carlson. And I'm just going to tell you that's that's just not going to happen. It just won't happen. It might create a permanent schism. All right, but I've seen this trend line before that the next generation of youth was going to dictate what our moral values were collectively on the right. And so far they're oh for two. But in terms of this data in particular, John, since the homosexual issue in particular, your generation has been worked over by this, how do you attribute this decline? What do you think it means?

[B]

That's an interesting question, Steve. I think that the left pushed very hard and it hurt people. And it seems like the right doesn't get engaged until they're hurting in some way. If it's theoretical, let the left have what the left wants. It's not going to affect my marriage. That's fine. Unfortunately, it did affect people because three seconds after they pushed for gay marriage, they wanted men and women's sports and they wanted to trans your kids. And so I think there was a backlash against it for that reason. Interestingly enough, though, and I don't know if there's any poll on this, but I was interviewing an Episcopal for a documentary I'm doing on the Episcopal Church. That's a side issue. But he was kind of on the left, the Episcopal Church kind of on the left. And he's part of the Maha movement, though, this guy I was interviewing, and the interesting thing to me was hearing this guy articulate these right leaning things on health, getting back to nature, and then also struggling with homosexuality in the Episcopal Church. And I thought at the time I did this interview that if things continue in the Maha direction, this actually spells doom for the LGBT movement. Because the whole logic of it is we need to get back to some kind of a created order, some kind of a way that we're meant to function. And as soon as you start asking those questions, you're going to start realizing, well, actually, men were made for women, women were made for men. You can't just tamper with this stuff without consequences. And so dealing with the consequences, I think is what's pushed back some. But I will say I'm a little tempered on this because the Democrats haven't really shifted on it. You See some shifts with the independents and with the Republicans. Republicans now I think it's sitting at about 37% for support for gay marriage. So that's down from 55% a few years ago. That's significant, but it's not changing the Democrats. So I don't know if this is a trend or if this is, as you say, Steve, you use the term worldview a lot, a fundamental conviction. But we'll see in the next few years whether this is a fundamental conviction or a trend.

[A]

Todd?

[D]

Well, I'm tracking so much with John on that. His basically saying we are cursing the darkness, that just the reality of what they planned on doing and being not the not only themselves, but to all of us became evident. But the. Here's the problem. Cursing the darkness is one thing. Lighting the candle is the other. And while I agree theoretically with Maha is is doing things that should light up the the broader citizenry and maybe even the church. But the problem is that the church has got to be first and foremost. And if it is the people that think women can be preachers and we need to have a warm, welcoming LGBT community at Notre Dame, Maha doesn't have enough swagger to ultimately make the church light the candles because God will not be mocked if the church is pulling its punches. He's not having that. Aaron said something yesterday. Yesterday when? On the show. And I commented on it. Here's the thing. We are not a graph. That's data right there. It is actually encouraging. But if you asked all the same people, well, what do you plan on doing about it? I think we might be pretty dispirited because, yeah, this is ugly and dark and I totally disagree with it now and I see things I didn't think would happen. Okay, now what? How are you going to change your life? Get in the arena, do things. Well, I don't know. That's for somebody else. That's beyond my pay grade. That's where the rubber meets the road, brother. In terms of being a saint and a citizen, you guys are kind of

[A]

rewording something I've observed for years, which is the way the duopoly in America works is you can always count on the Democrats to go way too far with their agenda and then Republicans to do nothing meaningful to oppose it, but then take advantage electorally of the reverb to it that the American people sense like, wow, this is nuts. We can't go this far. That's what you guys are.

[D]

Because in the face of that data, we all have to say the four of Us aren't we're gonna nod our heads. Gay marriage should not be a thing. It should not be legal. It should not be a reality. How many? What percentage are you banking on? The people that in that poll, if they had to deal with that, we'd be disappointed. We all know it, right?

[A]

I don't know. I think there. I think there'd probably be a direct correlation. I mean, that's the fundamental question. If we're asking you do you think homosexuality is immoral, then of course you have to come to the conclusion that you don't believe in gay marriage, that's why you don't believe in it, right?

[D]

It is that simple. But for people, it is very, very difficult. I don't think. I think there'd be a gap.

[B]

And I also think for younger people. Sorry to cut in there. Just real quick. Younger people are marinating in stuff online that's coming from the pagan right or the secular right that really values what sounds like a 19th century progressive narrative that there is some kind of a design. But maybe it's evolutionary, maybe it's just science we need to get back to. And if that's the message, if it's, we don't want homosexual marriage because, well, that doesn't conform with science and it's not about being rooted in the Creator's design for us, in God, then unnatural

[A]

as opposed to immoral is what you're saying.

[D]

Yeah, totally agree with that.

[A]

Aaron, you get the last, you get the last word on this. Go ahead.

[C]

I'm not trying to go black pill or cynical. I just have a much more pessimistic view, I think, than maybe what was articulated. I do believe that some of this is the realization from people who are actually paying attention that, oh, they weren't just going to stay in the bedroom, they're coming for our kids. I do believe that is a. That is a noticeable and not insignificant part of what we're seeing in the declines, especially amongst independents and Republicans. My pessimistic take, though, is that it's less that and more exhaustion. Because we forget back only a decade ago how thorough a route, a cultural route, the rainbow jihad had on this country. And so they did anything they wanted, everywhere they wanted the Pride Month. It was like Pride Year. I mean, we've made jokes. There's. Every single day of the year is like trans lizard person Day of awareness. It's incredible. I think part of this might just be an exhaustion. I'm exhausted with it. I don't like it. It's yucky. Now I'm tired of it. I'm tired of it being in my face. I don't really know if it's morally wrong. I'm just tired of it. So, yeah, I'm tired of it. Therefore, it's morally wrong. I think that's part of this too.

[A]

All right, I'm going to forego the exit question and instead, for the sake of time, we're going to bring in the, the, the kicker topic because it could apply to this too. All right, so exit question. What's your all time favorite Pride Month promotion? Aaron?

[C]

Oh my goodness. You know, it's not, it's not Pride Month, but it was emblematic of the zenith, I hope the zenith of progressivism, Godless progressivism in the United States. Somebody was making this. It was the Tampa Bay Rays and it wasn't Pride Month. But it's emblematic of what Pride Month represents. Opening day, 2020, which I think was in July or June.

[A]

Yeah. Because of COVID Because of COVID Yeah.

[C]

And the post said it's opening day. This is from the Tampa Bay Rays Major League Baseball franchise account. It's opening day, which means it's a great day to arrest the killers of Breonna Taylor. In the posts, everybody's, what were we doing in 2020? What was everybody on in 2020? And it's emblematic, I think, of this entire topic.

[D]

Todd, the he man movie.

[A]

I knew you were gonna say that.

[C]

There it is.

[A]

I know. That's why I didn't go to you first because I already knew what you were gonna say.

[D]

It's not a coincidence it's here in June. John not at all.

[B]

Dylan Mulvaney and the Bud Light.

[A]

That's my answer. Yes. Yeah.

[B]

Yeah. Kid Rock was out there with AR15 shooting bud lights. That was the best. That was the height of pride right there.

[A]

See, it's my favorite too, because it was seen that that was your rubber band moment. That was the moment of, if Aaron is correct and John is correct as well, and their description of what people are saying on our side, that they're rebelling against this for being immoral, that it's really this. They're fed up with it, okay? And want it to stop and go away. That was your breaking point moment. That that was to quote the great prophets, Led Zeppelin. That's when the levy breaks right there was on the. Dylan Mulvaney was when the levy broke, I think.

[D]

But John, I'd like you to reconsider that. It's the he man movie.

[A]

Let's get to predictions. Aaron, I'll let you go first. Go ahead.

[C]

I believe there are a number of other people kind of in the mold, kind of in the archetype of our Zach Lane here in Iowa, who paid Clark close attention to what happened this week. Very close attention and will attempt to do the same thing in their estates, running for governor as somebody most people maybe have never heard heard of before.

[A]

If they can self fund like they could, that's why they can be mold of and the archetype of they can be very successful.

[D]

Todd the most likely outcome of anything involving college football is chaos. But to the degree there's any odds at all of their getting an antitrust exemption and getting a czar, I believe that czar will be Senator Ted Cruz.

[A]

All they need is an antitrust exemption and they can literally fix everything. The rest of this stuff is just frankly, politicians putting their hands in pies if you just let them have the opportunity to have an antitrust exemption. So we don't have limitless funds and limitless transfers and everything else that would fix pretty much everything, frankly. John, what's yours?

[B]

I'm trying to remember the question what's

[A]

your, what's your prediction? Could be on anything.

[B]

Oh, a prediction. The data center issue is going to become a really big political issue and the he man movie will attract a lot of gays.

[D]

He reconsidered it for 10 seconds and came to the correct answer. John?

[A]

Yes, I'm going to predict that Zach Lane is going to win in the fall 52 to 48. And I, and I think he's going to be able to and I, I'm, I'm hesitant to make any political predictions right now because a lot of the environment is going to be determined by things we don't really know yet. One thing we do know, we're up against the historical precedent of what happens when your side wins the presidential election and often will lose the next midterm election. We're up against that. But the rest of this we have no idea if we're blockading the state of Strait of Hormuz next October. We, we, there's a lot we don't know, you know. But the reason why I'm going to make this prediction right now is because of the messaging that Aaron highlighted in his first in the, in the topic. Zach has constructed a path where he can give Iowans a reason to vote for him regardless of these other meta issues that are going on nationally in the country. So that's one reason why I thought he was a much stronger general election candidate. Good to see you. John Harris. Thank you, sir. Good luck with that documentary. Appreciate you. Thank you, man.

[B]

Thank you, Steve, Todd and Aaron, appreciate it.

[A]

You're very welcome. Feedback Fridays next, it's your turn after.

[D]

All.

[A]

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[C]

Yes.

[A]

All right, let's begin with Katie Supin. My husband of almost 41 years introduced me to your show 15 years ago and Larry passed away from cancer at the age of 66 back on March 7, we looked at it as symbolic because three is the, of course, the Trinity and seven is God's number perfection. And he passed on three, seven. He was a man of God. He was a devout Catholic. Our four daughters and myself miss him so much. But we know that we will see him again. I got a package with his name on it the other day. What could Larry have ordered by early February? Because he was bedridden and out of it for the last 12 days of his life. He pre ordered three books in February and said nothing to me about it, knowing they would not be here when they came. Three of our children, three of our children are married with children themselves. The books that he sent was yours. Katie writes. Why Independence Day America is great because God is good. And I will be sending them out to our daughters to share with our grandkids. Thank you. That is incredible. That is absolutely incredible and a humbling honor I am absolutely not worthy of. To be included in a dying dad's farewell gift to his kids and grandkids. That's just incredible, Katie. And thank you for sharing that and most of all, prayers and sympathies and condolences to your family for your loss. And it's precisely because he was a good man that you feel that impact and that he will be missed. So thank you for sharing. That might have made my 2026 when I read this one, which is why I wanted to share it with the audience as well.

[D]

I am deeply moved by that as just about when Steve read a letter about the man who's now my friend with the athletic director at Arkansas who stepped in on the save girl sports. And I. I haven't felt like that about a letter that's been read since this one. And it's just because this is a. This is a man. Even when he was dying, he was thinking about others. He was sacrificing for others. He was giving for others. Now ask yourself, you're not dying. How many excuses do you have? How selfish are you? How much are you lying to yourself about your priorities? That man, because he. I think you don't come to that point late in your life if you're constantly distracting yourself earlier in life. Well done, good and faithful servant. And thank you, ma', am, for sharing that with us. How blessed you and your children were to share a life with him. I'm sure he's a sinner like the rest of us. He's not perfect, but just finishing his race awesome.

[A]

Amen.

[C]

Two things that Todd said that I was going to highlight. One, and we cannot. This goes for all of us. I would say. Steve and Todd and myself, they're 20 years older than I am, but I think if they're being honest with themselves and they are carrying this out, they have to guard against this every single day as well. But all of us, you don't get to the point in your life where you come to die, but you're still thinking about others. If you spend your time distracting yourself earlier in your life. I've known people who were in the latter category during the later stages of their lives, and it's tragic what they become. But instead, here's the second thing. Instead. If you're spending your life as a living sacrifice, if you're spending your life in service to others, if you're spending your life outpouring the love that has overflowed within you because of what your savior did for you, because God the Father loves you so much, you will be a blessing till your dying day.

[A]

Amen.

[C]

And that's something that we have to remind ourselves. And then not just remind ourselves, but go and do every single day.

[A]

There is no great segue to any other note after a note like that. So we're just gonna move on. Okay. This is from JM Kata. And it's a little bit long, but I think by the time, longer than I typically would read. But by the time I get to the end, I think you'll understand why I picked it. Okay. I've long believed, he writes, I've long believed fathers and husbands should lead their families spiritually. Two years ago, when my oldest started kindergarten here at our local Christian school, I was shocked to find most of the board members were women. I confronted one of the few male members, asking where the fathers and husbands were and why more men weren't stepping up. I asked why the men of this school weren't lined up around the corner to be on the board. The next day, we had a conference call with the board president. I repeated my concerns. Pardon me. And after I concluded my 5 minute exegesis on the poor state of biblical husbands in the world, especially our Christian school, she promptly responded by thanking me for volunteering to run for the board. I was stunned. Between managing my wife's veterinary office, running a small firearms dealership, and being a husband and father had very little free time. I've always said that the Lord rarely calls upon us at a time of our choosing. And if you don't do what he calls you, to you end up getting puked up by the whale. So after much prayer, I accepted the nomination. It was a turbulent season for Christian schools with the school choice vouchers just emerging and debate over whether to accept government funding at the forefront. During my term, I helped guide our school to accreditation acceptance of these vouchers and helped cut tuition in half so more families could afford a Christian education. After that first year, serious problems surfaced. I learned a teacher's daughter was leaving after being stalked by a boy at the school and the principal had done nothing to protect her. In fact, her response was to give the daughter in school in school suspension rather than punishing the young man stalking her and then continued to allow him to roam the same halls that my five year old daughter walked. As a father of two daughters, I was furious. So I started investigating. What I found was worse than I expected. Reports of bullying, cheating, multiple incidents of sexual harassment involving children younger than sixth grade, all covered up without informing the parents. As you've said before, when you let go of the rope, it goes fast. Every parent who told me their story would conclude with an oh by the way, you should talk to so and so similar thing happened to their kid. I gathered the evidence, met with board members individually and asked the principal to resign. When I formally presented everything at the following board meeting, I was told no policies had been broken. I asked how we could be Christians with the word of the Lord supposedly written on our hearts and need a policy to tell us what we need to do to protect little girls from sexual harassment. I was met with promises of creating a policy so that things like this would not happen again. Well, if no wrong was done, then why would we need to create a new policy? The board voted not to reprimand the principal in the least and she retains her job to this day. As the great biblical scholar Jean Luc Picard once said, the line must be drawn here and no further. After that, my wife and I decided we could no longer trust the school to keep our daughter safe. So I resigned. We left and half the school left with us. A little more than a month later, I was asked to come to a meeting with a former teacher. Another couple, my wife and myself. At this meeting, they laid out a plan to create a new Christian school. One where the Lord would take center stage and excellence in education would take a back seat only to biblical teaching. Cautiously optimistic, my wife and I joined. I was elected president of the board for Legacy Christian Academy. The Lord uses broken, sinful people and I'm 100 proof of that. In the past year, our new school received state accreditation. We've accepted the school choice vouchers and will quadruple enrollment for the next school year. Legacy Christian Academy is raising up warriors for Christ. And I'm proud to serve along my fellow state board members or my fellow board members at home. So far you're tracking this is your God, this is your dude, right?

[D]

So far, this is like the real man edition of letter reading.

[A]

Indeed. So now we're getting to the end of why I selected this note. Okay. At home, my daughters and I unwind by watching Star wars before bed. Last January, my wife and I took them to Disney for the first time where we built droids and lightsabers together. I'm a 45 year old man who has lightsaber duels with his daughters in the living room. I just want you guys to know that as black as the pill may be, there are still men out there who understand what it means to be a biblical father and husband. And therefore the definition between duty and leisure time. Again, that is from JM Kata. And I don't want to speak for Todd, but I think that this brother has earned the right, based on everything he wrote in the previous eight paragraphs, he has earned the right to do fun lightsaber fights in his home with his kids.

[C]

And see he man.

[A]

And see he man.

[D]

Even subridge too far. But then he didn't. That's not sully his letter by adding he man. How dare you.

[A]

Well played, Aaron. Well played.

[D]

How dare you.

[A]

Well played.

[D]

But other than that.

[A]

But can we get a first official ruling from Mr. Erzin on this as he earned the right to do lightsaber fights with his kids?

[D]

Absolutely.

[A]

That's what I thought you'd say.

[D]

Yeah, but we also know what are most of the guys who are having lightsaber fights.

[A]

I don't disagree with that either.

[D]

Doing not that.

[A]

Yeah, I don't disagree with that either. I don't. Aaron, you second. I mean, Todd gets the official ruling on this, but you second it.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

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[C]

I just think we make up tension where there really is no tension. If you come across. Let's just trying to make this practical, I'm coming up empty. But let's say you come across a group of Muslims from a predominantly Muslim country, you start talking to them as a Christian, you start witnessing to them as a Christian, you start to build a relationship with them, and you find out all 100 of them, all 50 of them are here illegally. Are you ruining your witness by calling ICE? No, no, no. So ICE, you call up ICE. ICE says, oh, damn crap, you're right, all 100 of them are here illegally. We're going to go round them up for final deportation. Are you ruining your Christian witness? No. Let's say you have the opportunity while those fifty hundred Muslims are at the processing facility for final deportation, to go visit them all again and share the gospel. Should you do that?

[A]

Yes.

[C]

Yeah, you should. In fact, deporting people who are here illegally, especially as they're waiting to be deported, isn't that all the more reason to proselytize them so that they go back to their own country and share the gospel? Yes. There's no tension here. You're actually getting in the way of the government's job by saying, oh boy, I'm agonizing over this. Should I tell on these people that I've been sharing the gospel with? How will they know once they go over there? No. Your duty is to share God's word. Your duty is to plant. God gives the increase. But your duty is not to get in the way of the God ordained role of government to secure your borders, to secure, to punish evildoers. That is not your job. So stop putting tension where there should be no tension. Does that seem mean? I don't know. That's subjective. But there's no tension here. You can be 100% in line as a believer with your calling to share the gospel with anyone and everyone whoever's in your country. And also call ICE on illegal aliens. There is no tension there. There's none that'll preach right there.

[A]

Todd.

[D]

Correct. But here's the reason there is tension. I believe you asked this as a lover of the Lord, but a lot of lovers of the Lord think too emotionally and think about themselves too much. I know you're not trying to be selfish, but this is still selfish. Duty is doing something you're clearly called by God to do. This is something different because duty means what Steve and Aaron are talking about in yes, in the name of the Lord. Because it's not you just being out there as this I feeling, feeling, feeling you have to do this while the do you give that much of yourself? And is everybody else who claims the name of Christian doing that self for their own land and for their own church? And the answer is obviously no. So you are conceding the game because these, they're coming over and they're doing the math and they're realizing that they've got you beat already no matter what your best intentions are because they don't plan on meeting you halfway in this conversation. And they've admitted this. They've admitted this in England, they're admitting this in Texas right now. Our plan and our duty in the name of our God is, is to overrun you. And you are a speed bump. And you're a speed bump because you keep feeling this way instead of thinking this way, worshiping this way. Take care. As Steve said it very, very well, we're supposed to be invading them and we're supposed to be protecting what's ours. Not selfishly in the name of the Lord. You're actually, I mean this is hard to admit for people these days, but you have no idea how selfish you are as a modern day Christian. You're constantly thinking about yourself and how

[A]

you feel when your life is not your own. You were bought at a high price. You're praying. Not my will, but your will be done. Yes, yes.

[D]

Which is why we're always seeking and listen what you're doing there, you're seeking emotional comfort, right? You should stop that.

[A]

Is there a way to do this. Well, maybe there's a third way or a nice way. No, no, no, no. And you don't need to worry about what's nice or a third way because you have no way. There's only the way. Your way was to die in your own sins, right? To choke on your own sulfuric vomit in hell for all of eternity. That's your way. Okay, so is it mean? Is it not? Aaron's right. That's totally subjective. What does the word of God say? And then that's true. And if it doesn't say that, then it's not true.

[D]

And if you want to have conversations with these people, start. Hey, you seem like a really great person. Can you tell me, if it was just up to you, would you put us all under Sharia law? And if the answer to them is no matter if they brought over some nice baked goods or something like that, if the answer to that is yes, you say, well, God love you, but that's not going to work here. And that's really the end of things.

[A]

Preach.

[C]

But if I send them back as a Christian, their lives will be in danger. If you don't, your kids and grandkids lives will be in danger.

[A]

No one's salvation is your responsibility. No, no one's salvation is. Ultimately, it is the. It's the salvation of. It's the. It's the responsibility of the Holy Spirit. You can even do everything right with your kids. They may still rebel. Plenty of stories like that. You're not. That's not, that's not how this works. Your responsibility is to do what God told you to do as often as you can, as best you can, and then to own it when you don't and get back to doing that again and wash, rinse, repeat until you're dead. That's your responsibility. And God never said, let your homes be invaded by foreign gods. In fact, when he created his own country, he made it very, very clear that was not to be permitted.

[D]

In fact, he's a jealous God indeed.

[A]

Thank you for adding that. That sounds me. I don't care what it sounds like to you. You're a sinner. You're bound for hell. You want it, you desire it. You've already claimed you've called shotgun on the aisle seat in the eternal smoking section and that is where you will go. I don't care how it sounds to you. Your opinion is irrelevant. Everyone in hell has an opinion. You're welcome to yours as well.

[D]

But you know, feelings worth both work both ways. Yours is A little soft hearted. But the other one, the ones who are like, I, I'm saved, I don't need to do anything. I'm just over here. That's a feeling of selfishness.

[A]

Totally agree with that. Yes.

[D]

It's not ultimately, in both cases, your

[A]

life is not your own.

[D]

Exactly.

[A]

It doesn't belong to you. Yes, you were redeemed. That word bought is where we get the Greek word redeemed, or the same kind of redeemed. Like when you take a coupon to a store. Same meaning. So when you take a coupon to a store, if people still do that. All right. But when you take a coupon to a store or use one online, you're not really getting that amount of money off of the price in the way that you think. Like that business is not saying, I guess we'll just take less money from you because we're just that nice and we're just that eager in you becoming a customer. No, what's happened is that that coupon is redeemed. Everybody's still getting full price. It's just someone has agreed to pay that portion of the price on your behalf. That makes sense. That's what redeemed means. Everybody's still made whole. The debt is still paid in its entirety. The manufacturer, if you've got a coupon in Amazon for 25 off something, the manufacturer is not really taking 25 less than they thought they were going to get for it. Amazon is paying that 25% or the manufacturer pays it to Amazon, thinking that because of Amazon and they're the size of their platform, I'll eat that 25 because I'm going to get so many more people buying my stuff that I'll make it more than make up for it in volume. And future customers. In other words, everybody has been made whole, the debt has been paid. That's how this works. Your debt was paid, God, and has deserved wrath against you for the transgressions you've done against him. And he was made whole at the cost of his own son. So you have been redeemed back. Your life is not your own. You were bought at a high price. It cost a man, an innocent man, his entire life for you. Which means now you offer yourself up as a living sacrifice now. And in return, you offer your redeemed life back to him. And the good news is, because he's not like us and he's not a sinner and he's not shallow and he's not vain like the Greek gods and the Roman gods, And he's not a coercive tyrant like the Muslim God. The good news is you're going to benefit greatly by serving him, but serve him you must. And don't try to out think it, don't try to edit it, don't try to say, well, you know, let's just skip over that part of scripture, because I'm not sure how a modern audience would understand it. No, it doesn't matter. God owes you squat, doesn't owe any of us anything. And yet he gave us everything. Everything in exchange. He asked for you to give him everything you now have, which he gave you anyway, so it already belongs to him. And yes, a world full of sinners and fist shakers at God and stained glass window smashers. They're gonna say, that sounds mean. That doesn't sound kind, that sounds cruel. The forces of this world are expressing sympathy for a YouTube influencer who couldn't wait to go online and post nine paragraphs of word vomit about why him and his wife murdered their own child. And you should feel not sad for the child they murdered, but for them. When previously they couldn't wait to brag about how much they had done to save their dog. That's. That's what this world thinks. And it's opinions of what's mean and what's intolerant and what's. What's. What's compassionate. Let's get rid of the word and then turn around and kill the people that used to be called that word. That's what this world does. Look too offended. Try to, in fact, go out of your way to do it. Because often it is only when offense has been. Has been absorbed and realized that we come to the conclusion, something's wrong with me. If we never offend this world, we cannot reach this world. So, no, it is not a mission trip to allow an invasion. Invasion and mission are not the same thing. All right? Mission trips are when we invade them, and that's what we're called to do. We go on offense. We're always on offense. We go to them. We don't let them overrun us. We don't do that. What happened when there was a critical mass of Muslims in Asia Minor? What happened to the churches there? Where'd they go? What happened when there's a critical mass of Muslims in Lebanon, one of the earliest Christian settlements in the history of the Church. In fact, Lebanon was a majority Muslim country well into the post Reformation era, until the Ottoman Empire came along. Another one of the oldest sects of Christianity, the Assyrian Christians, In Iraq, what happened when a critical mass of Muslims lived there and then Christians were first called such in Antioch, which is in Syria. That's where Paul was on his way to persecute the Christians when he was committed, when he was converted on the road to Damascus. 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And how do I encourage them? Side note, we do have a son, but he at 28, he recently married earlier this year. Thanks for any advice from James Boomer dad. Trying to encourage my millennial girls. So you've got four daughters. Two of them are now engaged, correct?

[D]

No, only one's engaged. But the other one has been dating the Marine long distance since high school. So that's in your and 5.

[A]

Okay. What advice would you have here for James? Well, I mean his daughters are both older than any of you and I's daughters.

[D]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. You know, all of, all of my four daughters are different human beings, as are yours. So there's, I am at a disadvantage because we all have different callings in life. There's different facilities that we have to connect with people in general, the opposite sex in general. But I, I would say this, that in our doing things right and well as parents and then your own daughters living godly lives the best that they can. You still have to make sure that if this is deeply a calling that you have, are you I mean it is one thing to trust everything to God and it's the thing that must happen at first and foremost. But are you doing everything you can to get outside of your comfort zones to the Lord may be more than ready to work on this front if you're just willing to like cross over to the other side of the street. And there's all kinds of Christians who have convince themselves that no, this is, this is just how I live. This is just what I like. This is just what I do. I had this conversation with one of the people I love the most in life who is now married. But when I just said for, for example, a, a saved man that would love you to the death may be a guy all tatted up and who's got a smoking habit. And I brought that up because I know smoking was particularly icky to her. I said, if you really want, is that, is that a deal breaker? If you met that guy, is it him instantly off, even though he is heart and soul, giving himself to God and now wants to give himself to you? And if the answer to that is no, I mean, honestly, I, it's not that I don't understand, but you still, you have an ideology. I, I, you, you have an idolatry problem. You have putting something up there that you are willing to give more power than God in your life. And we all do that. We all tell ourselves those kinds of lies these days. So I would just, if you can push your daughter out, if they're always doing the same thing in the same crowd, even though it's a good crowd and there's nothing wrong with it, are you going to other places to find different kinds of people? There are men out there. The number may be small, but if that small number is outside of the tribe you're normally in, you got to go to a different dance.

[A]

In other words, you're saying there's a difference between standards and preferences, standards and expectations or expectations. Aaron, go ahead.

[C]

This is the talk that I always have. But standards are your closed hand things. The things like loving the Lord, loving you, Those are standards. You want those in the, in the closed hands, going to church, closed hands, active relationship with the Lord. They already said that. Closed hand things, standards, those. If one of those things is missing, then the whole thing is missing. Expectations are how those things play out. Now, expectations. Okay, so I've got my standards here, but the expectations are 6 foot 9 inches, a sleeve tattoo on one arm, but completely bare on the other, actually likes wheat grass and does not wear hats and is clean shaven all the time. Those are expectations. Now even for good things, those expectations can creep in. He loves the Lord. Well, the way I expect him to love the Lord is that he is serving in the worship service, serving in the nursery, serving in, in this particular ministry. Now probably should be serving in the church in some capacity. But if it is, it's an expectation of a specific thing that I, maybe he, maybe he's part of the trades. Maybe he mows lawns for a living and he does that for free on the side as a way to show his Love for the Lord. That wasn't really what I had in mind. Those standards versus expectations can be tricky because your expectations can be disguised as closed hand standards, but they're not really. They are the outward appearance of how those standards manifest. So be careful with that. Be careful with that. The other thing I would say, as well as a parent especially, I don't know if the two unmarried daughters still live with you or if they have their own lives out apart from you. If they are still with you,

[D]

make

[C]

sure you never ever completely nix the hope of getting married someday maybe sure to manage again, expectations in a different context at this point. But never be very careful about nixing the hope of ever getting married. Yet at the same time, kind of on the same token, also be priming them and preparing them if they're still living with you or if you still have a really, really close and special relationship, priming them that someday this relationship might look a little bit different. You're gonna need to, you're gonna need to not divorce us, but you're gonna need to. I know the scripture says son should leave his father and mother and cleave to his wife, but on some level you're gonna have to cleave to him as well. Because I've seen this in relationships as well where, you know, late 20s, especially if they're still living with their parents, they're more married to their parents and they can't even fathom cleaving to their husband. And that's kind of unhealthy. So I'm not saying that's in here. It might be germane to your situation, but always kind of be priming the, hey, someday this relationship might look a little bit different. And if that's the case, I'll be happy for you. We're still going to be here for you. But someday, you know, the level of, the level of depth of our relationship might need to be transferred to your future husband. So that might be something to keep in mind as well.

[A]

Let me just add this, Matt. Unironically I say this, I feel your pain. I mean, I hear this everywhere. I think I've talked about this before when I went and spoke at the North Dakota, North Dakota State GOP Convention at the end of March. And I was in the green room with their central committee. And it didn't matter if it was a mom looking for a, you know, a woman to marry her son or a dad looking for a guy to marry his daughter. I, I'm hearing this everywhere. So the most important thing too I love what you said there, Aaron. Make sure you never take marriage off the table. You'd never know what God's plan ultimately is. Right? God's plan could be there's this. God's plan could be there's a man out there who's happily married right now and his wife has terminal breast cancer. Or they get a call one day, it's pancreatic cancer, as you're finding out with Ben Sasse, that's essentially a death sentence. We don't have a cure. It's often undetectable. It's one of the worst forms of cancer in America. All right, and that might be, she might be the wife there that will step in there and help, you know, fill that void left after the mourning period is over. And he needs a wife and those kids need a mom. You just know. You don't ever know. You just don't know. So I love that what Aaron said that. But don't, don't ever take it off the table. You never know what God has in mind. But I think you also need to know this. You're not uniquely failing. This is systemic in our culture. We took an entire. And I can't hammer this point home enough on multiple fronts. There was always going to be a cost for what happened in the last generation. All right, do not be deceived. God will not be mocked. We always reap what we sow. So there's no condemnation in Christ. But that doesn't mean there's not any consequences. The idea that we were just going to completely systemically as a people just kind of tell God, I think we've got it figured out now. I think we can do this on our own. I think you're wrong about a few things. And then construct a generation of behavior accordingly. And there would not be a penalty to pay for the next generation for the seeds there that were sown in the previous one just is just not how this thing works. You see this in the scriptures. That's just not how human culture works. Nature works. Everything we did, the generation we took off discipling, the generation we took off teaching in the schools and then monitoring what they were teaching in the schools. The generation we took off from literally everything, literally everything that citizen that is required of citizenship and living in a culture that. That whose premise is that rights come from God and not government. And by the way, the God who grants those rights has certain expectations of what godly living and God honoring culture look like in order to keep. To make sure those that. That those rights will be protected. We took a generation off from that, and. And we are seeing a lot of that collateral damage right now. So you're not. You didn't uniquely fail as a dad. Your daughters are not uniquely hideous or uniquely awkward or uniquely did something wrong. This is happening systemically in our culture, and we dug ourselves a deep, deep hole in this last generation, and it's going to take probably more than a generation to dig ourselves out. So don't feel like you're being picked on or you failed or anything and get discouraged. Right. I like what Todd said. You may have to expand your horizons of preferences. And the. The smoking thing goes both ways. Let me just tell you guys. All right, I'll just say this is an asthmatic. So this. I get invited to cigar stuff in my line of work all the time. I can't go. I'm asthmatic. I can't do it. The amount of women who are going to want their home smelling like cigars going to be pretty small. So that thing that. What you said, and I know, I know you know this. It cuts both ways.

[D]

Yes.

[A]

Okay. Go ahead.

[D]

We have a selfishness problem. This is why on my ring in Latin duo Hakanulo unus vient. Two shall become one. You, if, whether you're male or female, if you. If your version of marriage is, I am me and I want what I want, and I have all these things that I've already established, and then, oh, woman, come over here, or vice versa, that's not marriage. That's just you being selfish and trying to, you know, grab somebody. Grab somebody. A caveman style. No two shall become one. It doesn't mean you utterly lose yourself, but you are becoming different. That's the gig. And if your whole construction is, I am me, and then I'd just like to add on this appendage to me, male or female, you're just making it hard, if not impossible on yourself. Yeah.

[A]

So you may have to, you know, as Aaron defined Todd's position, you know, standards and expectations are not the same thing, but ultimately, we're at a tipping point here as a culture. Right. The bill's coming due for what went on here. The silliness and foolishness that's gone on here for the last three decades, the bill is now coming due. And in many respects, how the previous. How the previous era overcame what happened with the sexual revolution, which is, hey, you know, you could essentially entice a guy into a relationship, sexually gratifying him. That's not available to you anymore. If anything, sex has been too demystified. It's, it's. It, it. It's almost too common now that it's not that big of a deal. And there are more men now that have more men that are looking for a wife than were in the previous generation because they've been oversexed. It's not, it's not predominant to them anymore. They've seen too much, experienced too much, been titillated by too much. It's actually the, the white, the, the. The. The other aspects of what having a wife means, that they're. The. That they're more interested in, in many cases for the young men. So we're in, we're. We're in the soup right now. That's where we are. And the only way out is through. And that's just the era in which we live. And the bill is coming due for what we. The foolishness we did culturally for too long. Final thoughts, gentlemen, before we get out of here today, we got about two minutes.

[D]

Well, there's a common theme through a lot of these letters and a lot of men trying hard to help those they love, whether it's their family, their country, and in a lot of cases, it's a hard thing to do, but it's why I talk about it all the time. There's a lot of faithful people who have idols that they won't smash. They're just too selfish or they're terrified of what's on the other side of them. There's no other way but through smash the idols, all of them.

[C]

Amen. Ultimately, the goal of one of the goals beyond loving the Lord and living your life on mission for him is to be worthy of a woman who is attracted to the type of man that we heard from in the first segment, the type of man who lives for others to his dying days. So trying to live up to that expectation. And then on the other side of the equation in this last letter is trying to find that man who maybe is in his youth now or somewhat in his youth now. For your daughters, it's pretty simple. It's not really easy if you look around, as you said, in the soup, but don't give up. As, as depressing as this conversation is, and we have had so many this. If you racked up all of the letters that were in this same vein on the same genre or topic, that might be number one or number two behind, like Covid in the last few years, I think that we've addressed on Feedback Friday or other. Other venues. So it's a huge problem. This is anecdotal, but I've seen it with my own eyes. People who were in their 30s, mid-30s, still trying to find a partner, a mate. I thought maybe it was never going to happen. They found somebody. God's plans are not always our plans or timelines. So never give up. Don't give up.

[A]

Up. Amen. Everybody have a great weekend. We've got Monday off. I've got some important meetings, so we're going to take that day off. We'll see you again on Tuesday after a long week. And until then, go hard. Romans 8, 28.