B (3:32)

What happened while we were away, brought to you by negotiations. President Trump, we think maybe once again trying to calm fears in the markets this morning. Posted on Truth Social, quote, the United States of America is in serious discussions with a new and more reasonable regime to end our military operations in Iran. Great progress has been made. But if for any reason a deal is not shortly reached, which it probably will be, and if the Hormuz Strait is not immediately open for business, we will conclude our lovely stay in Iran by blowing up and completely obliterating all of their electric generating plants, oil wells and Kharg island and possibly all desalinization plants which we have purposefully not yet touched. This will be in retribution for our many soldiers and others that Iran has butchered and killed over the regime's 47 year reign of terror, end quote. Late last week, oil markets started to shoot upwards again as both major oil futures markets, Brent and WTI, surpassed $110 and $100 a barrel respectively. Treasury Secretary Scott Besant says this morning

C (4:32)

the market is well supplied and we

B (4:35)

are seeing more and more ships go

C (4:36)

through on a daily basis as individual countries cut deals. Iranian regime for the time being, but over time the US Is going to retake control of the straits and there will be freedom of navigation, whether it is through U.S. escorts or a multinational escort.

B (4:56)

Meanwhile, U.S. central Command says the number of targets struck by our forces alone exceeds 11,000 at home. Another round of no Kings protests went down over the weekend, including in New York City where this pro Hamas orc showed up with a fake suicide Vest in to chant anti American slogans. With the commies, there is only one solution.

A (5:16)

Communist revolution.

B (5:18)

In Minneapolis, a visibly confused Governor Tim Wall showed up to what he thought was the Yas Queen rally to pledge allegiance to Somalia. And I will add a special, a

C (5:29)

special thank you and a special acknowledgement

A (5:33)

that we will never leave the side of our Somali Minnesotans. Here's our pledge to our Somali Minnesotans. Your great grandchildren will still be here when that orange clown is in the dustbin of history.

B (5:56)

Meanwhile, Vice President J.D. vance says they've got Elon Omar dead to rights.

A (6:00)

So we actually think that Ilion Omar

B (6:03)

definitely committed immigration fraud against the United States of America. And I talked to Steven Miller about this actually recently.

C (6:09)

We're trying to look at what the remedies are.

A (6:11)

That's the thing that we're trying to

B (6:12)

figure out is what are the legal remedies. Now that we know that she's committed immigration fraud, how do you go after her? How do you investigate her?

A (6:19)

How do you actually do the thing?

B (6:20)

How do you build a case necessary to get some, some, some justice for the American people? There's a related issue, Benny, which is she has been at the center of a lot of the worst fraudsters in the Somalian community. So do I know that Ilian Omar was aware that. That the Quality Leering center was defrauding the American people? I'm not certain of it, but we at least need to investigate it because if people can commit wrongdoing without even

C (6:46)

the fear that they're going to be

B (6:48)

found out, that's a fundamental problem. Back in Washington, late night Thursday into Friday, the Senate passed a funding bill giving Democrats basically what they wanted, a defunding of CBP along with aspects of Immigration and Customs Enforcement. House Speaker Mike Johnson called the Senate bill a joke and passed his own funding bill, at least a key threshold Friday night. The House's version includes funding for the aforementioned DHS agencies teeing up a fight in the Senate, if that's even possible. In the Holy Land, Israeli police prevented Cardinal Pirbatista Pizzabala, the Latin Patriarch of Jerusalem, from entering the Church of the Holy Sepulchre on Sunday for a private, small scale Palm Sunday mass. Holy sites in Jerusalem have largely been sealed off during the war, but the overreach from Israeli police prompted wide outrage. As even US Ambassador to Israel Mike Huckabee stated, for the Patriarch to be barred from entry to the church on Palm Sunday for a private ceremony is difficult to understand or justify. Israel has indicated it will work with the Patriarch to accommodate a safe means of carrying out Holy Week activities. End quote. Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu reiterated Israel's policies for holy sites during wartime, but did say authorities will work with the Catholic Patriarch this week to ensure worship can ensue for Holy Week. In Michigan, Democrat Senate candidate Abdul Al Said has heard in leaked audio during a campaign staff call that he doesn't want to make a statement about the killing of former Iranian Supreme Leader Khamenei. These comments explaining why he doesn't want to came a day after the former supreme leader's slaying. So again, this is going to destabilize region. I also want to remind you guys that there are a lot of people in Dearborn who are sad today.

C (8:27)

So, like, I just don't want to

A (8:28)

comment on Kumari Khomeini at all.

B (8:32)

Like, I. I don't think it's worth even touching that. Yikes. That story courtesy of the Washington Free Beacon. And finally, how people of various persuasions pray. In the name of the Father and

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of the Son and of the Holy Spirit. Amen.

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Bless us, O Lord, for these are

E (8:47)

thy

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Christ our God.

B (8:53)

Bless the food and drink of thy servants. Lord, we just thank you for this food and this fellowship, for the great red, white and blue and for Pastor Billy Joe.

A (9:01)

Yeah, God, I just. Just.

B (9:02)

We really just thank you for this food. Just we really just want to Lord, if it is by your sovereign decree that we eat, then we will eat because we really had no say in it anyways. Lord, thank you for this food and that we're justified by grace alone, through faith alone, in Christ alone, based upon scripture alone. To the oh Lord, we humbly beseech thee to bless this male Lord.

A (9:22)

Break every smile stronghold in the bread and in the apple and in the peanut butter.

B (9:29)

Lord, bless this food and this unofficial meeting that we somehow started before anyone took a bite. Lord, thank you for this meal that you sovereignly decreed. And now we will eat it in the most theologically responsible way. Daddy. God, thank you so much for all the tithing universe. Thank you so much for these vibrations and that I manifested this meal. I am one with the bread and that's what happened while we were away.

A (9:53)

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E (11:42)

Oh, I remember.

A (11:43)

However, because I am fully vaccinated, the symptoms would be even worse if I had not taken the very vaccine that failed me. Right. And they did these long paragraphs. There was like a. There was like a playbook. Like they all had to. And they all said the same thing. Do you remember this back in 21 and 22?

E (12:01)

I remember it because I. At the end of Aaron's montage there, all those prayers I said, all of them from every denomination, just to get through the insanity of what you're talking about.

A (12:10)

Yes. Yeah. And so there was. It was clear. It was like a playbook. Either a talking. A playbook had been passed out of talking points or because they're all in the same ecosystem, breathing the same air. They all said the same things. Right?

E (12:22)

It's a cult.

A (12:23)

Okay. I saw this on the right yesterday. I saw people post 27 posts, people post 9 post threads. This was the rights equivalent Of I'm not an Israel shill. I can think for myself. Can I get a little griper engagement? I thought the post that you had was. I mean, just as we shouldn't have closed this stuff during COVID You don't close religious shrines during a war. Yeah, and then we just move on.

E (13:00)

Yeah.

A (13:00)

Okay. And the ambassador confronted it. The ambassador dealt with it.

E (13:04)

Yeah.

A (13:04)

And the thing was finished by the end. Did you see this yesterday? I'm not going to name any names.

E (13:08)

Oh, I saw it.

A (13:09)

But there. There were people that vented a spleen. Yeah. Like, they. They needed you to know. Okay? Just. It was entirely contrived. Entirely contrived. They. They needed you to know. Okay. That they have I not. Please tell me. All right? Please, please tell me. D. Don't Jew me. Bro14 okay, please tell me. Because this, by the way, this one, if you weren't on X, no one else saw this or cared. No one else even knew about this story. No one else followed this story. All right? And. And you have no idea the amount of just absolute self flagellation that went on yesterday. All right? And I mean, I'm between. Between when the Michigan basketball game ended and when my plane landed at 09:00', clock, I was on social media quite a bit because I'm traveling. I'm bored, all right? And this. I had someone come to me in my texts losing their mind over this. I said, you. You realize? And here's the thing, they sent me a text. I'll bet you this is something Huckabee's covering for two. I said, actually, I looked at my watch. If you go look. And I sent him a post 8 hours ago. My Huckabee posted that this is dumb and shouldn't have ever happened. That needs to be fixed. Never got a reply back. This was the right wing version of if I had not taken the vaccine, my. My symptoms would be even worse. I need. I need all the groupers whose engagement I at least somewhat need some of, even though I don't know where any of them are and I have no idea where any of them are from. This is my perfect opportunity to go ahead and tell everybody and show everybody I am not some simp for Israel and I will take full advantage of it on a Sunday afternoon, on Palm Sunday even. Because nothing says you're not a simp for Israel than spending your whole Palm Sunday posting about this and not Christ. You're right. Posting about Israel. Am I. Am I making this up? This was like a social contagion on

E (15:12)

our Side yesterday, I told multiple people, just directly, you're losing your mind. You're making a mess. Everybody, like, there in the hotbed is like, hey, mistakes were made. How about we fix this up? They cleaned it up on all sides pretty quickly, it seems like. Maybe because pressure was brought to bear publicly initially, but after that, it happened pretty efficiently. If government regularly went that efficiently, Steve, we'd be talking about different stuff on this show all the time. But everybody had to make sure.

A (15:38)

I got home last night, put the wife to bed. I thought, you know what I'm gonna do? I'm gonna watch this Michigan, Tennessee game one more time before I go to bed, but on my big screen at home, because you get to do that over the weekend. And I'm watching it because I already know what happens, you know, so I'm checking up on what's. So people are still posting about this when it was fixed nine hours ago.

E (15:57)

Yes.

A (15:59)

Have you done the. Have you done the appropriate I'm not a Jew slurper stigmata? Has the. Has the appropriate level of punishment been applied that you may now move on and post about something else? It was just some of the most contrived BS I've heard since. If I had not taken the vaccine, then I would have. I might. My symptoms would have been even worse. Get out. I just needed to vent that and get that off my chest so I could think about stuff that matters the rest of the show. Is that all right with you?

E (16:30)

Totally come up again, I'm sure.

A (16:31)

All right, let's. I don't have any more analysis on Iran. I don't. I still don't definitively know what ultimate victory looks like. I don't know what it means to sufficiently degrade their military to the point that they're no longer a threat to us. I just don't know what that means. Doesn't mean it doesn't have a meaning. And I look forward to finding out hopefully, like, very, very soon. I just don't know what it means. I don't know what that means. All right.

B (16:59)

Can I ask a question?

A (17:00)

Of course. Yes.

B (17:01)

Because I left here on Friday kind of in the same mindset as you and I might. You know, part of me still is there. I just want to ask a question. So we've hit just the United States, 11,000 targets. How many dozens of their top leaders have coalition forces taken out, destroyed a lot of their ability to protect outside the borders of Iran, destroyed their air force. We have total air superiority over basically the totality of Iran in what universe, is that not considered. Even if that's half true, even if half of that is true, in what universe is that not considered a stunning military accomplishment?

A (17:38)

Totally agree. And in fact, I would argue that by their own actions, it's at least half true. That's your baseline. That. That's at least half true because of the way they're behaving. My counter to that would simply be we still have obviously not been able to secure what is arguably the most important strategic point in this entire operation, which I, you know, you mentioned prominently in your live. In your montage. I mentioned in my own live read. Right. Okay. I mean, if this many Americans know what the Strait of Hormuz is, that's not good. It's kind of like a little bit like in a football game, if you know, you know who your left tackle is, it's because he's not playing well. He's getting bullied, he's getting penalties, he's holding. He can't blindside block. Right. You know, but I don't disagree with any of that. Okay. I don't. Okay. I don't with that. That's. That's where I'm conflicted. We have. It's very clear. We have decimated these people. Yet somehow we. The Kharg island and straight of Hormuz, we're being told, are the two most strategic points. And so we've. We've clearly not secured either one of those. I want the entire Iranian regime gone. I don't want us to have anything to do on the ground with making that happen. I don't have a clue what would take over next. And the president said today that they're dealing with other people in Iran that are more reasonable. I mean, I hope that's true. That could also be a posture. That's the thing when you're dealing with a. With a president who's known for everything's negotiable. You don't know what's posturing and you don't know what's real until the event plays itself out. I think it's going to take more to replace this regime than just the most devastating airpower display maybe in all of human history. Aaron, as you were just articulating some of the metrics where that's concerned, I also see we have a myriad of problems here at home. I'm not going to lie to you. As much as I hate the Iranian regime and having you put that clip of Tim Walls up again, it just. It just reiterates this to me. The fact that. That we have been tougher on Iran than we were on Tim Walls bothers me greatly. It does. And that's me child of the 80s, who would like, buy a deck of cards of every Iranian high command member we killed and put them at my poker table and laugh the whole time. And even I bristle at. I'm still bothered by the fact we ran away from Tim Walls. Okay. And we're tougher on the Iranian regime because we're way more threatened here. Our way of life is currently. Iran is a threat to our way of life and has been almost as long as you and I have been alive.

B (19:59)

Yeah.

A (19:59)

But does anybody here want to argue that a more systemic and acute threat to our way of life is what Tim Walls and his ilk represent right here at home?

E (20:08)

Oh, right. Now, I have no belief that what Tim Wells said there about the grandchildren of the current Somalis won't come true.

A (20:14)

I don't either. And it makes me want to puke and it makes me sick. I think it should be at least on the table that 50 years from now Iran might be freer than us. I think it's at least a discussion point.

E (20:27)

Oh, that's something that should be talked about more because we need to wake

A (20:30)

up over here because we have shown more resolve against Iran than we have our own enemies. And that brings me to the Rubio Vance thing, because this will lead into the poll that we're going to tell you about when Bob comes on here at the bottom of the hour. This is why you can't get married to an outcome looks automatic when the moment it will be determined is so far off. Just look at yesterday, number one seed had a 15 point lead in an NCAA tournament game at halftime. In the history of the NCAA tournament, there have been 134 times that a number one seed had a halftime lead of 15 and 0. 15 or more. Do you know how many times in that previous 134 that team had lost? No. 0. In the entire history. We've been seeding teams the NCAA tournament since 1979, the year Iran came to power. Right. So the Iranian regime has been in power as long as we've been seating teams in the NCAA tournament. And 134 times a team had been a number was a number one seed with a 15 point lead or more at halftime. They had never lost until yesterday. Right. And so this is why, as Chris Berman used to say when we were growing up, this is why we play the games, to just say when something the Iowa Caucuses are January, late January, early February of 2028. A lot can happen between now and then and this dynamic that Trump has set up where Rubio is essentially front and center on foreign policy and now Vance is essentially going to be handed the domestic aggressive agenda of going after fraud and criminality and things of that nature. Right. This is a very high risk, high reward venture for both of these guys. For both of them. All right, let's start with Rubio because the, the Iranian operation is further involved and, and Vance's part of this equation is just now getting, you know, getting, getting rolled out. Right. But it's not even as simple as, let's say we walk out of there and by the end of this week and a month later by gas and oil prices have restabilized, things are at least back to the baseline of what they were before. Okay. But then like in September, well, we told everybody we had successfully degraded the Iranian regime. Like we told them last year, we got rid of their nuclear program and all of a sudden, you know, ICBM missiles start launching from Tehran into Brussels or London or hell, you know, here, you know what I'm trying to say? I mean that's, that's the thing. Without a full on regime change and knowing who is taking over and the willingness to pay the price for that, I'm just going to say flat out, I'm not willing to play. I'm not willing for the United States of America to pay the price for that. If the Israelis want to go and do that, God bless them, I'm happy to give them all the air support for that effort they want. But not. No, no, no, I don't want my son in law on the ground in Tehran. Is that a ridiculous assessment or not?

E (23:34)

Certainly it isn't. Based on what we know, which is what you've been talking about for several minutes now. We don't know if there is something by all means that is so existential that we need to consider at. You need to tell us otherwise I am with you entirely.

A (23:47)

And this could just be, this is a never ending thing too. I mean, let's say that they, they are quiet over there for a year and a half and It's December of 2027, right before Christmas and they launch some kind of terrorist attack with enriched uranium or. You see what I'm saying? And it's, it's the night before an Iowa caucus debate. What's the thing that Marco Rubio is going to get asked about the entire time? Well, didn't you tell us that you guys had one. See what I'm saying? These are high risk, high reward ventures politically for these two guys as futures. And then on the other hand, for Vance, what is the absolute biggest frustration every one of us has on the right? Everyone. Everyone who's not a writer at National Review. Everyone. Libertarian, Christian, conservative, maga. All right. Graper. Okay. Everybody who's not a writer at the National Review. The one. Everyone else. Everyone else. Greatest frustration has been what people. Nobody's been punished for anything. Right. Wouldn't we agree? That's the biggest pun. That's the biggest frustration here.

C (24:48)

Yeah.

A (24:49)

All right, so we're going to take the unquestioned front runner in this primary, put him in charge of the edifice that would actually punish people. See where I'm going with this? Yeah. Better do it. Better do it. I mean, I. Right.

E (25:10)

Yes.

A (25:10)

I mean, that's. I mean, it's a difficult argument to make. You're ready to be president, United States, if you can't make this happen, right?

E (25:22)

Yes.

A (25:23)

Now, the problem that JD has is he cannot do that unilaterally. It's the same problem Rubio has. He's not making unilateral decisions. He's. He's the commander in chief, but he's the face of those decisions, often as the Secretary of State. And he's also the national Security advisor, remember, one of his many jobs. Okay. As you see with still. What is the best current meme trend on X? All right. Rubio job trend. But if you're Vance here, the, the liability for him, I mean, looking at those comments, and you guys know, I think he's the best messenger I've seen on our side since Reagan when I was growing up. So he is setting the bar pretty high on Ilhan Omar's culpability, right?

E (26:01)

Yes.

A (26:02)

So if we're sitting here the morning before the Iowa caucuses, man, just say the Iran thing went great. Right. And Rubio looks like, you know, the maga, Henry Kissinger household name. Okay. And we're sitting here the night before the caucuses and Ilhan Omar is just trolling people on X, you know, and marrying another brother of hers. Right. See where I'm going doing this math? These are high risk, high reward ventures, I think, for both of these people. And I think Trump knows exactly what he's doing by putting him in charge of these things. These are tests. If for Rubio, it's a test of, you're not native to my tribe, you're not native to my coalition. In fact, you were one of the, you were one of the people in 2016 that most aggressively went after me in my coalition in that primary. Right. So can you hold my coalition together? Can you do that? That's number. And what's the challenge for Vance? Right? You were a senator for about two years, so that's 15 minutes, basically.

C (27:02)

Right?

A (27:03)

No doubt you've got the gift of de gab and the silver tongue, man. Your Williams Jennings Bryan on Twitter. Okay, if they would have had it in his day and age. Right? But can you lead? Can you govern? Can you make stuff happen? Can you go from a concept and a talking point that no one on the right articulates better than you into a policy, into a form of action? And it just so happens that Trump gave Vance the. What's frankly been the biggest disappointment of his entire era as president, and he really hasn't punished any of his enemies whatsoever, really, to the extent that they deserve, let alone what people actually feared he might do. He hasn't even come close to that. Well, here, J.D. that hot potato is yours now. Go get it. See what you do with it. This is very fascinating to me. Thoughts, gentlemen?

E (27:48)

Well, just listening to Vance talk and like you, I am in Vance's camp moving forward, but when he starts talking about making the case, you know, my eyes start rolling in the back of my head. And in several other ways, we're talking about Biden and money laundering. There's more of that all over the place on X with Tulsi indicting him. There was more election integrity stuff in the Biden administration. Keep talking about making the case, making the case. And here we are in year two. It just makes people madder. It's not clarifying anything, that something absolutely has to be done. And then you put Rubio in the mix, and both of them, to your point, having the high risk, high reward. Well, both of them, ultimately, if they both get in and there's not a clearly chosen successor, they look like a really stupid Spider man gift. Because they're gonna have to find ways to gain advantage over each other, and it's all gonna end up looking ridiculous. I don't think there's a way those two men, we talk about iron, Sharpie and iron, and our thoughts philosophically of what would have happened if it would have been a real Trump vs. DeSantis thing. It didn't turn out to be true, but I think it could have, in theory. I don't think in theory, these two men can run against each other and come out clean on the other side. I think it'll be very, very stupid.

A (29:01)

So Todd is saying this is all great for Sarah Huckabee is what Todd is saying. Okay. And what do you say, Aaron? Go ahead.

B (29:07)

Yeah. Again, who knows how much any of this will matter. Now, it is interesting and it has to be considered one way or another. But I mean, not, not to, to pound the drum that our buddy Rob Eno was pounding late last week and over the weekend. But if the economy doesn't meaningfully, even like at the end of these four years, turn around, correct it really 26,

A (29:30)

this, this becomes 06 and 08 all over again. We had the terrible midterm in 06 and it spilled over to 08. That's what you're articulating here. If the economy doesn't turn around, then this won't just be a one off mid term bad cycle. It'll be 2026 and 2028 will go together at that point. I don't disagree with that either. I will come back. Bob Vanderblatt's gonna join us. Where are Iowans at on Vance and Rubio and more next. The Steve Day Show. I get so many headaches every month. It could be chronic migraine, 15 or more headache days a month, each lasting

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B (31:07)

So what?

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D (31:13)

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D (31:20)

Don't worry.

A (31:21)

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D (33:08)

I had a. I'm not wearing a mask.

A (33:11)

You're not? No. And he had some sick grandkids to take care of over the weekend. Needless to say, they ended up passing it on to him. Now he's feeling great today, but just to make sure he didn't take the risk of coming in and polluting our office and his own. He's working from home today. All right. In other words, didn't need a shutdown order, didn't need a stay at home order, didn't be told to wear a mask, didn't have be told to self isolate. He just recognized. Hey, I have. I've been exposed to symptoms I've had some symptoms myself. I should maybe stay home until symptoms are no longer present so I don't risk spreading this to other people, you know, the way that we live for thousands of years. So congrats to you, Bob. Too bad you weren't making COVID policy. How are you?

D (33:52)

Yeah, the sick quarantine themselves, making sure we don't get the healthy sick.

A (33:57)

Yes.

D (33:57)

I'm telling you, this is a 12 year, a 12 hour flu bug that our granddaughter had, then I got, now my wife has. Tell you what, nothing to do with it. It doesn't last long, but you want nothing to do with it. So I love you guys that much, I'm staying away from you.

A (34:11)

Well, good. And we love you even more that you are staying away from us. So thank you very much for that.

D (34:16)

Most people do.

A (34:17)

So your organization was out in the field here in Iowa polling, looking at our governor's race. We're going to get to that analysis and maybe what it says about the broader electorate here in, in the 2026 cycle as well. But part of the polling that you guys did, and I want to lead off with this for our national audience, is you guys wanted to get an idea of where Iowans were at in the presidential process. In particular, the two names for now that everybody agrees are the absolute front runners. They were way ahead in the CPAC straw poll over the weekend in Vance and R. So you guys. And the way I like it is that you guys asked this open ended.

D (34:52)

We did.

A (34:52)

All right. You did not. So it wasn't, hey, of these seven candidates, who do you like? It was open ended. So you didn't necessarily. So I misspoke earlier. I want to correct that. I said earlier you guys only asked about Vance and Rubio. That is not true. It was open ended and those were the only two names that really came up in critical mass whatsoever. And so number one, what does that tell you about where Iowans are very early in the process, but this is the process by this time next year will be in full gear. Okay. And then secondly, what does it tell you, given the results of what they think of J.D. vance and Marco Rubio and what were those results?

D (35:26)

Well, I think the, the question I get all the time, Steve, you get all the time from national media is, you know, who do people like in 2028? And so we thought, why not ask our base who do you like in 2028? And we didn't want to guide them about this is who you should like or this who you should be thinking. About it was just very open ended. And I got to tell you, it wasn't really surprising. It was somewhat stunning that JD Vance came out. Just under 50% of the respondents said JD Vance. I think it was just like 46.8% say JD Vance. And what that told us is they see JD Vance being the apprentice to Donald Trump. They want to continue on with the Trump administration. They see JD the best position to be able to do that. So 46.8. But then right below him, well, probably not right below, but below him, the most significant one was Marco Rubio, 15.8 as well. So just at 16% now, I think what they're seeing there is that probably Marco is probably not going to be a candidate for president. He has said this is JD's. If JD wants it, I'm going to stay out of it. But, but they're also watching him on the international stage and how he's dealing with a lot of these things. They see him as somebody who's a real leader. But I've had several people talk to me and say, you know what, in 2016, when Marco Rubio was making his case to Iowans to be president in the 2016 election, they're like, where was this Marco Rubio? Because this is a Marco Rubio they could get behind. So while it's way, way, way, way, way too early, JD Vance, Marco Rubio and away distant third, all the way down to 2%. Ron DeSantis, the governor of Florida, we

A (37:12)

were talking right before you came on, so you probably didn't get a chance to hear it, that, that Trump has kind of given each of these two capos, if you will, the face of important parts of the coalition. Right. So Rubio is the face right now of the foreign policy part. And since Trump will never be on the ballot again, he's gonna the high risk, high reward of this, of Operation Epic Fury. He's going to absolve the long term political consequences for this way more than Donald Trump ever will. Right. And then, and then on the, on the domestic front though, I mean, I think all of us, and I said this earlier, everybody who, except for the, whoever still is reading National Review. All right, everybody else on the right, greatest disappointment of the Trump era has been we haven't punished any of our enemies, any of the people that are, that, that that did coups, tried to destroy America. No one's faced any accountability. Well, that's the very hot potato that Trump handed over to JD Vance, or at least a variation of it. Right. And so you're gonna, you gotta say all these things about Ilhan Omar and then she just kind of skates and she's still trolling us on, you know, msnb, whatever that station will be called then on, you know, the night before the caucuses. Right. There's some political liability there. And so this will be fascinating to watch this play out between these two individuals over the course of the next 12 to 18 months because Rubio has to show that he can keep Trump's MAGA coalition together because he's not native to it. And Vance needs to show that he, he, he's got the gift of Gap. No one message is better than JD Vance, you bet. But he's got to show then he can take talking point from concept to policy and action that he can govern and lead. Right. He's not really had any experience doing that. And so I think it'll be fascinating to watch how this plays out over the course of this campaign from, from this time forward.

D (39:00)

Well, there's no doubt these are the two hot potatoes. And Trump has had a history of doing this. When you take a look at even Mike Pence, you know Mike Pence, he gave Covid to. Not gave Covid, you know what I'm saying? But you know, the leadership for Covid,

A (39:13)

he might have it right the first time. But go ahead. Yes.

D (39:15)

Mike Pence's deal. And so now Marco Rubo, hey, listen, this Iran, these conflicts that we're in type thing, this is your baby. And I think Marco's doing a really good job at messaging right now. Now can he keep the mega base together when you've got the Candace Owens and you got the Tucker Carlson's on the far right, Steve Bannon and others, you know, voicing their opinion on it. And then J.D. vance, the one thing I hear all the time, Steve, and you hear as well, why aren't people going to jail? We said we were going to prosecute some of these people and we're not seeing it. So there's disappointment on the Epstein file, there's disappointment on the J6, there's disappointment on all these other things, like why aren't we actually taking the talking point and put into action? He's saying JD that shares now.

A (40:02)

So the reason you asked this question is because you guys, just as we talked about last week, you guys as an organization for the first time ever are getting full fledged into a governor's race in our state. And so you guys are.

D (40:14)

And, and you, you saw it, Steve. We saw there's so much at stake Right. Politico just ran a huge story on Rob sand, who's going to be the Democrat nominee in the state of Iowa, who touts himself as a churchgoer, a hunter, the taxpayer's watchdog, all Republican type points. And yet he is as progressive as Gavin Newsom and as Tim Walls.

A (40:36)

Yeah. Think of for people in our audience who've not seen a lot of Rob sand, and I'm guessing that's going to be a lot of our audience, think of a taller and far less retarded version of Tim Walls. But it's the exact same messaging of Walls, just less retarded and taller, without question.

D (40:51)

But here's what I'll say to your audience, Steve, If Rob sand wins the governorship in November, you're going to hear a lot about Rob Sand.

A (40:59)

Correct.

D (40:59)

He's already being thrust onto the national spotlight. Like, here's the guy that can win for Democrats. This is the playbook for winning for Democrats. And so there's a lot of national interest in Rob Sander. That's why he's raised four or five times the money of the leading Republican candidate right now. And so we thought Rob saying we are one state away from being Tim Walls, of being Minnesota. We need to choose and choose well. And so we decided, our board decided unprecedented, let's get involved in this governor's primary and we're getting behind Amstein. And after we made that decision, I said right away to our team, the only way we can really go forward now is find out where are we at after we made this decision? Meaning where are gains to be made to see if we can get Abstein actually over the finish line in the primary field to take on Rob Sands.

A (41:49)

All right, so last June, the presumed front runner in this race, Congressman Randy Feenster, put out a poll that showed him at 42%. He promoted this poll was last June. I think that's really the last scientific poll of this entire primary that has gotten any media coverage at all. Last June.

D (42:06)

So last June release Paul. Steve.

A (42:09)

Yeah, at least that we've seen. Okay.

D (42:11)

Because had Randy's numbers, and I want to be clear, this is not against Randy Fincher. I'm just saying the way it is, if his and his campaign's numbers weren't 42%, but if they're growing to 44%, 46%, 48%, he keep releasing that of saying, look at the momentum of the campaign. Not only are we raising the most money, we're spending the most money, and it's showing in traction for Me as a candidate, that has not happened. That has not translated how many hundreds of thousands to millions I've put into this campaign already. It has not translated into more votes.

A (42:46)

So what is your poll show then? So this will be the first publicly released poll since last June when Randy had 42. Where is he at in your poll?

D (42:52)

Well, there's a couple of things I want to highlight, Steve. I want to get and I tell my team all the time, I think I get tired of hearing it. The only thing I have to base it on is experience. And so when I ran for governor in 2010, the primary in June 2010, there's a poll released in July of 2009, so about a year out. And that poll about a year out, July 2009, I was at 48% of the Republican electorate. The next was undecided at 23% and then the speaker of the House was 14% and then went down from there, but 23% were undecided. We are now 60 some days away from a June 2 primary. And right now our poll shows that over 46% of those polled are still undecided, which means that your presumed frontrunner in Randy Feenstra is not closing the deal. So that's a huge danger sign for candidate Feenstra. It's a huge opportunity sign for the rest of the field. And if you look at the rest of the field, so Randy right now he's under the threshold as well. He's under 35%. I think he's at 33.5% in our poll. If he stays under 35%, this is going to go to convention. The best predictor at a convention in Iowa is what happened at the Iowa caucuses this year and the Iowa caucuses this year when they did a straw poll. Adam Steen ran away with that at 44%. And I believe Randy Feastrow was third or fourth in that poll. So that would say if it stays underneath that 35%, Adam Steen will be your nominee at convention. That said, you take a look at the other candidates. How did they poll? Adam Stein was the only other one in double digits. He was just under 11%, I think at 10.5%. And then it went completely down to 3%. 2%, basically non registering for the other three candidates. So what that tells you is this is a two person race. This is Adam Steen, Randy Feenstra. And so if you're okay with Randy Feenstra, vote for Feast draw or vote for one the other candidates not named Adam Steen but if you want to have a nominee not named Randy Feenstra, you want to coalesce at this time with the family leader, with our team, with our board, and get around Adam stinks. We believe he's not only the best position to win, we believe he's the best position to lead on day one.

A (45:19)

All right, I have three minutes, but I have two questions our audience needs to hear your answer to. Okay. Number one, how much is Randy Feenstra being bogged down by being Congressman Randy Feenstra? Because he's essentially lost support since he. Since last June is what your poll is showing?

D (45:34)

I think there's two things. One is, you're right, a congressman. And I really do believe people are taking a new look at, you know, congressman, don't become governor in Iowa. It just doesn't happen. We've tried it over and over and over again. And that gave you Tom Vilsack, it gave you Chet Culver, and I'm quite sure it's going to give you Rob saying, if we go down that pathway again. The other thing, though, I used to tell my business students all the time, you do not get a second opportunity to make a first impression. Randy feature. And you've talked about on your show before, Steve, his first impression to the base was, I'm not going to you guys. I'm not going to the Family Leadership Summit. I'm not going to go to the Moms for Liberty debate. I'm not going to go to any MAGA events, or I'm going to run

A (46:14)

away from the base, basically.

D (46:15)

Yeah, yeah, run away. And I'm telling you, I think he's going to pay a price there. So what I do believe, I believe those 46% are probably making up their mind on Randy Feaster. He's not their guy. They got to now make up their mind on who is their guy. If they coalesce, you'll see somebody beat Randy Feenstra in the primary and go over 35%.

A (46:35)

All right, I've got 90 seconds. But one of our candidates, Zach Lane, has taken an interesting strategy because we're all trying to figure out where do we go to reach our people, Right. Because everybody, our people are so spread out. So he's been on both Tucker Carlson and now about two weeks ago, he was on Sean Ryan last week. Right. These are two of the biggest podcasts in America. Sean's is actually much bigger than Tucker's these days. Does your. Does that reaching primary voters in Iowa, according to your poll? I'm just fascinated to See where people are at.

D (47:04)

Our poll does not show that. And it would show that because he was on Tucker Carson more than two weeks ago. So our poll would have picked that up. What surprised me about Zach Lane, because I think Zach's a compelling candidate, but Eddie Andrews was third, I believe like at three point whatever percent and then Zach Lane was at 2.9% and then Brad Sherman down at 2.1%. I thought Zach Lane would have more percentage than what he has right now. But I think again, what it shows is that it's becoming a two person race. It's Sting versus Feinstra and you got 46% undecided. If I'm Adam Steen, I'm really excited about that number. If I'm Randy Feenstra, I've got warning signs about that number.

A (47:44)

Good to see you, brother. Thank you. Get better.

D (47:46)

You bet. God bless.

A (47:47)

God bless. One of the real challenges we are having is where do we go to reach our audience. Because remember what I said a few weeks ago, it's never been easier to get an audience of a hundred thousand people on the right. It's never been harder to get an audience of a million. And we're so spread out. Right. Okay. And so I was very fascinated to see that. Those are big time lands. I mean, I would imagine we've never in Iowan has never been on two shows that big. Like that wasn't like a governor like it like in the history of the state of Iowa. Okay. All right. And so it wasn't like a governor, a senator or a member of Congress. Right, Right. So I would be. Because maybe our people are watching national stuff now, but their polling showed it didn't register with primary voters at all. I don't even know where to tell candidates around the country to go to reach our base. I don't.

E (48:34)

They're at.

A (48:35)

And at least in a critic, I mean they're in a lot of places. But are they. You're going to have to probably do a lot more interviews and stuff than you ever thought you had to do before. Maybe. I don't know.

E (48:44)

Listen, I'm keeping this simple. If the goal of everybody involved is to be the alternative to Randy Feenstra, results matter. You did not get those results. Zach Lane Steen keeps getting him over and over and over again. If Steen was this in reverse and I was supporting Steen, I would tell Steen to get out. Right now.

A (49:01)

You.

E (49:01)

You're not the guy. If that's the goal and you're honest about that, everybody needs to be exiting stage left except for Adam Steen right now.

B (49:09)

I think Iowa's unique. It's a double whammy. We still demand the retail politics, the 99 county tour, while at the same time we still have to go viral, produce viral viral content for the campaign. So that's another challenge.

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E (54:13)

Yes.

A (54:13)

All right. But can we lead when we gain the power that we have been frustrated that we've been angled out of for so long and now we finally come into contact with it and we finally achieve it and obtain it, can we do so effectively? So what I wanted to do for the newfound authority figures in the North Dakota Republican Party is to kind of provide a framework of what it means now that we are in leadership to lead. Because in North Dakota, if you're running the state Republican Party, you're running the state. There isn't a Democratic Party in North Dakota except for the Republicans that were trying to make it the Democratic Party. So I gave this group five talking points, and then I thought on the way on the flight home last night, I think this would actually be worthwhile to have a broader conversation for the entire audience in terms of, hey, you win mayor, you win governor, you win city council, you're the head of the library board, the school board. Right, right. Any of the people in our audience that are telling us, hey, you guys helped inspire me to run. If you win, what do I do now? Number one, I'm gonna go through these one by one. You guys tell me what you think. All right, so the first thing I told them is that they had to. They. They needed a vision of making North Dakota every bit as red as California is blue, and that their goal should be to put a political iron dome, if you will, around the state as much as possible to insulate it from DC and the fickleness of the American voter. What do I mean by the fickleness of the American voter? Well, in 2000, for the first time since the 19th century, George W. Bush won the presidency but lost the popular vote. In 2002, he became still the only president in modern times after winning a presidential election to then turn around and win the midterm election. In 2004, he won the popular vote and Republicans won the election nationwide. In 2006, he got absolutely slobber knocked in those midterm elections. In 2008, he left office with a 27% approval rating. The Democrats took over with 60 filibuster proof U.S. senators, and Barack Obama won the most resounding victory a Democrat had for president since LBJ in 1964. All right, in 2010, Barack Obama got completely destroyed in that midterm by the Tea party revolt. In 2012, he turned right around and won re election again against mitt Romney. In 2014, Barack Obama lost even worse, lost that midterm even worse than he lost the 2010 one. Right. In 2016, Donald Trump won the presidency against all odds. Four states by a grand total of about 78,000 votes and lost the popular vote. In 2018, Trump lost 40 House seats and Democrats got control of Congress. In 2020, we don't really know what happened because they stole the election. Right. In 2022, everything was in favor of Republicans. They had all the wind at their backs. Democrats were still able to get a stalemate. And outside of Iowa, California, Georgia and a few states, Republicans greatly disappointed. A draw for Biden was a win in 2024. 24. Donald Trump became the first president Republican presidential nominee to win the popular vote in 20 years. And Republicans were given a pretty sweeping mandate of total power in Washington, D.C. and now we might be sitting here in 2026 and we might be looking at a midterm disaster. Is that fickle enough for everybody?

E (57:40)

Enough.

A (57:40)

Enough. So when you're in a red state like North Dakota, man, and you're going to have power, put an iron dome around that state. So the fickleness of the American voter, the, the, the inability of the unit party in D.C. to deliver on things people care about as then people go back and forth figuring out which liar they like best. Insulate yourself from that as much as you possibly can. Thoughts.

E (58:02)

Of course. Now, the way to look at that, there's been all kinds of maps that come out on a regular basis of net migration one way or the other. And we have many stories about that. Leftist states, people have been leaving them. And, and so it's. It, this is very, very possible. But it's, it's not by being obsessed about, on the front end about the fickle American border. It is just doing things like Ron DeSantis. You have to make it so that leftists flat out run away screaming from that place. They just don't want to be there. That's your goal. And then afterwards you start, then you match it up against that fickle American normie voter and see how they reacted to it. But In Florida, when DeSantis was just inevitable, it reacted pretty well. He went from almost losing an election to a guy who what, as you say, Steve, snorted crack off of a gay hooker's rear end.

A (59:04)

Yeah.

E (59:04)

To just absolutely dimming that state. That's the model.

B (59:10)

Yeah. I think we need a little bit more fickle. Fickle for breakfast, lunch and dinner. Ultimately, you are, as your staying power is. Meaning in political terms, red state America. Do you have staying power across office holders? Do you have staying power across majorities in your legislature? Do you have staying power across the administration? Because we're looking at Florida right now. Ron DeSantis cannot be king. Wish he could. Wish we could experiment with that again. But he cannot be king. Now we're going to find out whether or not what he Built with the help of the legislature. But it was mostly his will, what he built. Can it last the test of time? They're going to have a Republican governor down there. We're going to see whether it has staying power across administrations, across people coming in and out of government. Your power as a party is. As your staying power is. We're hopefully not going to find out that lesson the hard way here in Iowa. Hopefully we can get somebody other than Randy Feenstra to be the nominee, the Republican nominee, to give us a shot at not finding this out the hard way in a place like Iowa. But do you have the ability and the structure in place to no matter who's actually running the government, who are the longtime employees, who's actually the representatives who are coming and going, Is your party still in power? Really? That's. And yes, there's tons of great majorities in places like south and North Dakota, but is your party really in charge? That's the question that you have to ask.

A (60:47)

All right, that brings me to my second point, because since we've invoked Ron DeSantis name so much, my number two point was do everything that Ron DeSantis has done in Florida. I told him, just simply look at your own state. Look at what you have accomplished up against Florida's and whatever that Florida's done that you haven't do that. Those are your immediate policy objectives right there. Because there's just no rational explanation for why Florida could get those things done, given the political realities on the ground there. And you can't do those kinds of things here in North Dakota.

E (61:20)

Well, and this is where. It's not just the specific policy, but this is where DeSantis is. Honestly, I've never thought that a book from a politician was as necessary as for Ron DeSantis to write how I did it after all of this, because people need to know. I mean, I think Steve, you know him well. I think you know a lot of this. I think my gut instinct is to operate in real life a lot like he does. But there's just a lot of people on the right who just need to be told. You're way too nice. You're not remotely serious. I got this done because I am. Here's what it looks like. If you can't do this, you don't belong here.

B (62:00)

Indeed. Indeed. I mean, ultimately, we have to have people who are serious about not just winning, being things, but actually doing things, doing the work and credit to organizations. Man, I'm going to forget. I'm going to forget the name, but I believe it's Solheim is his last name. I think we have the same alma mater. But he's kind of doing this at the national level in Washington, D.C. he's actually training people how to work the machinery of government. And that has to be examined at every level of government. It doesn't matter if it's Florida or a place like North Dakota or Wyoming or Oklahoma. Do you have people who are ideologically aligned who can actually do the work of running a government?

A (62:43)

That's the ultimate test number three. You must take the professional aspect of politics seriously. It is not simply a philosophical enterprise. Stuff does not just happen for you automatically because you have the right worldview. And I cannot tell you how many of our people I have run into over the years who kind of think that the system is just kind of sitting there saying, oh, we've been waiting for you. No, you have to. You have to make it happen, okay? To quote the great prophetess Mariah Carey, make it happen, okay? You got to make it happen. All right? You got to knock on every door, you have to raise every dollar you can. And, and it's very important. This third one is very important for what I'm going to say a little bit later on in the final point. Okay? But you have to show that you understand this is a vocation, right? There's probably a lot in an audience this large, there are numerous people that know more about the scriptures and church history and contemporary policy than I do. Absolutely. But the question is, the reason I'm on this side of the microphone and you're on the listening side is can you take your superior knowledge to mine and turn it into a compelling, listenable product? Right? Because ultimately my job is not to teach you a biblical worldview to get you to listen. Now how I choose to go about doing that is up to me. And the choice that I make has got to be one that draws an adequate amount of listeners. Otherwise I'm going to have a hard time getting a platform that wants to distribute me, right? So I made the choice to do so via a biblical worldview. As best as I understand it, that is not why the Blaze is syndicating my show. That's not why they have signed a multi year lease to get exclusive access to it. They did so because they think I can generate a critical, massive audience they can make a profit off of, not because they think I am a prophet. Does that make sense? Right? So it's not just you have the right beliefs. Can you do the thing? Can you Connect with people? Can you relate to people? Can you get people to write you a check? Can you get people to volunteer to work and be a part of what you're doing so you don't have to pay for absolutely everything? What connections do you bring to the table? What relationships do you bring to the table? This requires a skill set, not just a knowledge base.

E (65:10)

Well, this is where I think sports analogy is apt. You can have a philosophical appetite for the spread offense and by a standard of like, beauty, that may be objectively like the most beautiful thing to look at if you are not winning 2/3 of your games, if instead you're winning one third of your game and ultimately you're married most to the beauty of that particular offense. Like I said previous, you don't belong there. You have, you have to win. Now, the flip side of that coin is the ugly offense that somebody back in the day. This is why I really love what I do know about Aaron's new Iowa Hawkeyes and their coach, because it reminds me of 2000 and the dick Bennett Badgers. Just people like, oh, we don't like that style of offense. He came in and he kicked your blue blood tail. You have to win with it. And that's what really Steve is saying. The idea has got to manifest in actual results and in a way not just as we become used to it. Like maybe here, maybe there. We'll win this time and then we'll gain more money by losing the next time. No, it's in the Ron DeSantis way. I'm going to be inevitable by winning again and again and again.

B (66:37)

Indeed. And I mean, how does that work? Well, I think a good starting point, pick up rules for Patriots. That's a good starting point. But that just can't be the end point as well. Book knowledge, head knowledge. Eventually you have to produce results. There has to be a call and a response, a call and a response over and over and over again. When you're doing politics, it can't just be out here with your do you know what flapping in the wind. Eventually you have to start producing results and figuring out. I mean, it's. I just said this, you know, in passing at the end of last segment. Iowa is kind of a double whammy in terms of doing the political messaging. Because on the one hand, there's a huge, still a huge section of our population that demands retail politics, getting to know people in person. Yet at the same time, even here in Iowa, we are so fractured in terms of a media landscape that you still have to figure out ways to produce viral content, which I think is. I think that's one of the things that maybe all of the campaigns to some degree right now that we're seeing here in our home state of Iowa are struggling with right now. Is that double whammy. So there are different. Different variables in each location. Whether you're running for dog catcher, whether you're running for state representative or, you know, national senator, you know, senator, or in general, there are different variables with each race in each office that you're trying to attain.

A (68:02)

Number four as a. As a. And that's well said, Aaron. Number four as a. As a permanent north star plumb line of how to keep a coalition together. All right, it's the following. All right, make what's best for families and retaining families. The overall vision here with every piece of legislation. Ask yourself what I want. My. Do I want to live my family under this? Would I want my adult children and grandchildren to live under this? Because that's going to encompass everything. Because, I mean, families need jobs, right? They need incomes, right? Okay, so it's not just going to incorporate moral values, but it's going to incorporate the, you know, financial realities at the same time. And I said, for example, to the business community, listen, we want everyone who's frustrated by California to come here. But you just need to know, we will not become you. You will become us. You can have access to our great resources, and our greatest resource is our people. All right? They're our most valuable resource, and we will protect them. We'll give it. We'll even. We'll even partner with you as a government, give you incentives, because we're all in this together. On one condition, however. You cannot inject cultural rot gut into our water table. Anything short of that, let's talk turkey and come up with, as Todd, you like to say, let's be groovy together. Let's figure this thing out. All right? All right. And let's just. Let's all just get together in our red state and try to make this thing. Try to make everybody as prosperous and wealthy and put as much food on as many tables as we possibly can after that because it's been earned by a hard day's work and an honest pay. All right? With one condition. And you all can get rich on us as much as you want, but you cannot try to change and reshape our values, Right? Because we want not just what's best for families on the financial side, because we do need incomes. As my college roommate once Famously told me romance without finance is a damn nuisance. Right? So we all need incomes, right? We're not doing this as volunteers here. We're not nonprofits. The Blaze plays us, pays us. I pay you. Right. Okay. But at the same token, right, what are we getting paid for, right? We. We want to earn a living, not Mammon. Okay? So no, we're not taking your cultural rot gut blood money. If you're welcome to leave all that cal, those California values at home and you otherwise want to come to our state and make more money and pay less taxes, by golly, you're welcome. But just understand that is a non negotiable.

E (70:31)

This is very important, perhaps the most important thing at the end of the day, but it's going to be the hardest because this is where people like to lie to themselves the most by we're not them. We're not those crazies over there. Well, okay, we still right now. And all the data shows that even the most conservative Christians often looked like the people, the people who always vote Democrat. They might not have the blue hair, they may have not trans their kids, but everybody looks the same on the cul de sac. Are you really serious about this? Because there was just some data recently like there is not one Catholic protestant, male, female, about one parent incomes that nobody is fundamentally, even philosophically trying to steer things in that direction. We have a long way to go if we really want to be serious about on the right. You are going to have to not be addicted to your local public schools like those. Those schools are bad. But I want to live this way in this community. We have so much terraforming to do of what a state needs to look like in order to be serious about that. Because right now everybody believes sooner or later, if they buy their time, a leftist can move into any red state in the union and the data proves them right. Texas, anybody they can. I can. If I just bide my time here for a couple of months, I'm going to be able to build a mosque here. Folks, we're not serious about this. This is an incredibly important data point. We lie to ourselves on the right about this all the time. We're not really serious.

B (71:58)

This is why I said when I had that in montage, I think last week or the week before that about the infographic of outflows and inflows intra migration or migration from state to state. I said this is not good news anymore. It's not good news that the biggest movers or the biggest importers of people from within the country are all red states, and the biggest losers are all blue states. That's not good news anymore as a talking point, proof of concept that those states are better run. Ten years ago, when this trend started happening, that maybe was good news, or at least a talking point that you could maybe use against the left. Now, after like 10 years of this data point, or however long it's been, that's not good news anymore because eventually, eventually you're going to run out of red voters in those blue states that are coming into your state eventually. You're just importing the communists. This point, though, that you made, Steve, just to kind of echo and maybe put even more wheels on what Todd said is the hardest step, because I think the people, not necessarily the elected representatives, if they're fortunate enough or skilled enough to make it to that point, the people whose thinking is going to have to be reframed the most, the people whose maybe even worldview is going to have to change the most, are the ones writing the checks to the people who want to pass this type of legislation, any type of legislation. The ones who are actually the elected representatives. And here's what I mean. The big businesses, the big donors, things of that, of the, of those matters, can they actually reframe their thinking into not just the bottom line, what will make me the most profit? Because that's been the stinking thinking for so long is that the donors on the right really functionally are no different than the donors on the left. They do serve Mammon. A lot of them. Not all of them. Not all of them, but a lot of them really do serve Mammon. Those are the people whose thinking is going to have to change the most in regards to this step.

A (73:57)

Finally, and this sums everything else up, the reason why you, not just to be effective, but the reason. There's another reason why you need to take the professional aspect of politics seriously. You need to have an agenda, a vision, be able to execute it and do so successfully and efficiently is because there's not enough of us, even in a place like North Dakota, to just consistently win and hold on to power. And political parties by nature want to expand. There's just as. There's all kinds of different people in the grassroots. There's different segments of the establishment, too. But there's two big GOP establishments. The first are people who don't hate you. They just don't take you seriously, don't think we can run things. They're not as conservative as we are, but they're not communist either. And they'd be willing to work with us on stuff if they didn't think that we frankly were just all out trying to get to the bottom of chemtrails, which frankly, we need to get to the, the bottom two bottom of. But if that was, if we were, if we were going to take over the Republican Party just to find out where the chemtrails came from and do nothing else, right? And then there is another Republican Party establishment, not as big as you think, but it does exist, who does hate you and would much rather have Democrats in charge than Republicans. And what often happens is our ineffectiveness or retardation, frankly unites these two camps against us. What we want to do is we want to split these two camps. Similar to what I've said about the way abolitionists message is they take a lot of sincere pro lifers who have actually been fighting moral compromise their entire careers and they drive them into the mainstream camp because they walk into their office and say, hey, I know you've got 100 pro life voting record and you've taken all kinds of crap for it for 30 years while, you know, I was, you know, trying to figure out if I was going to make it out of my high school as a virgin or not. But I'm here to lecture you that you've really been holding and helping Satan this entire time. Right? We've, we've talked about this. And you send up driving that person right back into the national right to life camp because your messaging is that bad. Similarly, there's a, there's, there is, there is a wing of the establishment that just wants to win. And if we can show what we will do, will win, okay? They're not against us. They just don't think we're adults. And frankly, we've given them some reasons to think that way if we're all being honest with one another. So if we show we're adults, we can do this. We're mature, we're zealous in our beliefs, but we're professional in our processes. If we can do that, you can split that establishment down the middle. You can take that other establishment who are really Democrats trying to hijack your party and just kick them out and put them where they belong. And you're growing your party at the same time as you are refining it. You see what I'm saying? You can do both of those things at the same time if you accomplish the first four things. I just meant. So I told him, reach out to the estate, welcome them back, say, hey, we're in control. But hey, it's one big party. You guys wanted a big tent. All right, here are our priorities. Tell us what. As long as you don't violate our priorities, how do we work together? We'll give you anything else other than these closed hand priorities because we all do. We're all North Dakotans and we're all Republicans together that they won't see coming. What they'll anticipate is you'll burn it down. Show me the origin of the chemtrails. All right. And you know who really killed jfk. That's what they're thinking. You're going to do what they won't anticipate at all. And by the way, I'd like to know the answers to those two questions myself. I'm on record. Okay. But what they won't anticipate you will do is you know what we're going to do now? We're going to be adults just with our worldview. We're going to be mature, but just with our worldview. We're going to be pros or take this seriously. That they won't anticipate. Yeah.

E (77:33)

I mean I have Aaron in my head saying, why don't you not got the title tattoo. Don't become that person. Do not make the perfect. The enemy of the good, which is every, every group that wins. That's where you know, if it's, if it's filled with pride and not results, that where it's ends up going. And you just do this. The shirts versus the skins never stops. And you end up in a cycle that can't be broken. So yes, results look at is the. Is this. The scoreboard is always open to somebody in the free agent market that can really help the team be open to that.

B (78:08)

Amen. And surprisingly maybe to some one person who is kind of for better or worse. Sometimes worse, sometimes really better, who's actually modeled. This is the guy sitting in the Oval Office. There's very few times that I can remember I can recall, and I'm sure there are examples of this where you've just completely crossed him and you're never gonna see the time of day again. But think about what we were talking about late spring last year. Elon Musk just crashing out. Totally crashing out. A total embarrassment after spending the first quarter of last year a lot of time in the Oval Office. A total embarrassment to President Trump. Before the end of the year, they'd patched things up. It wasn't on a hard no. Forever and ever. Amen. They had patched things up. That doesn't mean that still means you have to be wise as serpents, innocent as doves in whom you form coalitions with. But the general rule or the general aim should be don't let a no today always, always, always mean a no tomorrow and forever. You can work with people even if you haven't met eye to eye in the past.

A (79:22)

Well, I hope those are useful tips moving forward. And I do think they apply not just to the new situation and the new dynamic in North Dakota where I just spoke, but everywhere in the future where we hope to do with the conservatives in North Dakota just did or when we come back, Steve Baker better be wrong More in a moment. The Steve Day show get in the game with the College Branded Venmo Debit Card Wreck your team with every tap and earn up to 5% cash back

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C (83:14)

Yeah, I feel great. I mean, I. I'm three months and a couple of days past my heart failure event. And, you know, right now, it's one of those things where as much as we say bad things about the pharmaceutical industry and the medical regime in this country, I would not be alive today except without the advancements in technology and the chemicals that are pumping through my veins right now.

A (83:42)

See, I think that even just proves all the more they're without excuse because there's plenty of living proof that they can do the right thing and, and that they don't have to do some of the other things that shows like ours point out. They don't have to do those things. That's exactly. But that's a topic for another day. But you're right. Listen. Romans 13, give honor to those whom are due honor. Your doctors and modern medicine are due honor for the work they have done in your life. No doubt about that. So you're right to give them.

C (84:07)

Amen.

A (84:07)

The recognition they Deserve. All right, so I, I am now going to give you the recognition I hope you don't deserve because I, I, I, I, I desperately want you to be wrong. Because the implications of you being right are suboptimal. I'll say. Okay, but you are confident that we have arrested the wrong man for the infamous DC Pipe Bomber J6 incident. And I'm just going to give you the floor here for the next few minutes. Lay out to our audience why you are confident that we have the wrong man.

C (84:40)

I had a meeting with a senior intelligence community official on Saturday night and that individual told me that everyone in his shop, including himself, are 100 confident that the FBI arrested the wrong man. We hear that from everywhere. I have interviewed a current special secret agent, or it's not secret agent, a Special Senior. What's the word I'm looking for? Special Agent. Supervisory Special Agent. There it is. Ssa. Took me a while to get that together from the FBI currently at the Washington field office. He told me exactly the same thing. He said, nobody in my shop is buying this. And of course, obviously these who still have jobs are having to keep their mouths shut right now so that they can accrue the years towards their pensions and their retirements and feed their children and keep their mortgage paid for and not coming forward with this. But more importantly than just hearing these anecdotal comments from members of the intelligence community and the FBI are the fact is, the fact that we have done the work, myself and Joe Hanneman, also my colleague at the blag at the Blaze, is also incredible. I wish that when we talk about this, this particular subject and we talk about it in any manner at all, it should always be my name and Joe's name mentioned together. We have been absolutely partnered, joined at the hip on this thing since the beginning in revealing the truths about the pipe bomb situation from beginning to end. And one of those things that we have done is actually do old school, real world gumshoe detective work in getting out there to make sure that we have all the evidence before we go public with it. And I mean literally to the point of getting down on my hands and knees on the exact bricks in Rumsey Court, the alleyway behind the Republican national committee headquarters in D.C. and measuring the exact bricks at the exact location where the gray hooded pipe bomber traversed on the evening of January 5th. And so I've done the same thing at the DNC. I've done the same thing where Brian Cole Jr. The young autistic man that they arrested, where he had A traffic accident, a fender bender in Woodbridge, Virginia. And I have, I've measured the gutters, the curbside, the grass, the sidewalk blocks, exactly where his feet stepped so that we could reverse the math and get the shoe sizes. And the one thing that I can tell you from our story that came out exactly a week ago today, encourage everyone to go to theblaze.com and look for this, is that we showed conclusively that unless Brian Cole stuffed his 1212 and a half size feet into a 99 and a half size shoe, he's not the bomber. And that's only the beginning of the disparities. Our expert video guy who goes anonymously by the name of Armitage on X, he says that Brian Cole Jr's entire body is his alibi. And that's true. He's just disproportionately ill fitting to the person that wore the hooded or the gray hoodie that night. And look, the FBI has only released, I don't know, a minute at the most, maybe 30 seconds of frame rate reduced video that they've showed the the country. And we have it all. We, we have captured every moment available of capital CCT footage of the hooded bomber on that route between the DNC and the RNC on the night of the 5th. And so we have unframe rate reduced video, clear video. And we know that these two human beings do not match up.

A (88:44)

Didn't he confess?

C (88:46)

He did. He's a high, high functioning autistic young man, severely ocd. And it's interesting that anybody that with any forensics background and knowledge whatsoever knows that the highest demographic of false confessions from police interviews and interrogations are autistic individuals.

A (89:12)

He's also pled not guilty. Right? So that's right. So where is he at in his legal process then? What's next?

C (89:20)

Yeah, it's all in the phase of discovery and special hearings that they have. I was actually in the courtroom about three weeks ago for a status hearing for the young man. This is my first time to lay eyes on him personally, not just from video and photography that we've collected. When he walked out of the back room behind where the judge sits, going towards the defendant's table, escorted by the federal marshal, U.S. marshal. I sat in my seat in the galley there and gasped. I was stunned at how small a young man he is. He's a very small sleight of frame individual, but he also his gait, his walk after, after I've spent, I want to say thousands of hours, but it's hundreds Hundreds of hours examining every frame and every pixel of the gray hooded Bomber on the 5th. As soon as I saw him, I was then exactly 100% convinced it could not be the bomber.

A (90:28)

What do you think is the most compelling evidence the state has against him?

C (90:34)

Probably the receipts and purchase history of the bomb making components. It's also one of the most exculpatory pieces of information that are, that the government has put together because some of the most important items that were essential to the making of these bombs were not purchased until after January 6th. So it's going to be a tough situation for the government to prove. There's also the other fact that there are a million men in this country, millions probably, who have these exact components sitting in their garages, their workshops, their sheds that they've used to do fix it and repair work around their own homes. Maybe they're, maybe they're in, they're skilled laborers and they have all of this in their, in their work vans. This is not unusual for somebody doing other things at home and taking on other projects. It just so happens that over the course of a period of three years, from 2018 until 2001 and beyond, as I said, after January 6th, he did accumulate enough of these items that could be used to put together a pipe bomb.

A (91:49)

Who's representing him? Have they, have they reached out to you and your team at all?

C (91:56)

Spoken to both legal teams? He has two. He has a team out of Atlanta which is basically a civil rights team. He's a black young man. So there's obviously going to always be that component in a case like this. And I've said from the beginning, and I can get into more detail, but I don't know how much time we have why a DC jury is not going to convict this young man. The government does not want this to go to trial. They want a quick plea bargain. They can get their guilty plea, wipe their hands of this and move on and say we got our guy. Because if this goes to trial, a majority minority jury in D.C. is not going to convict an autistic black young man with the evidence that's going to be presented by his legal team. And the defense team is an incredibly great team out of Nashville. They have a lot of high profile victories doing this very thing over the years. And they are, they're going at it. They've got some things coming up that we're aware of that are going to blow this thing out of the water.

A (93:05)

So then what's the end game here? Let's assume that you are correct in everything you just said is the strategy then? You mentioned a plea bargain. But if he's got that level of representation, I can't imagine he'd plea bargain unless he really was guilty. Right. Secondly, is this strategy, then, if you, if, if you go to trial and lose, then you can just kind of just say, well, I mean, it was just all like, O.J. this is just all racialism. They were never going to consider all this evidence. And you're kind of off the hook. What is, what is our, what is the state's strategy then here in pursuing him as a suspect, in your view?

C (93:42)

Well, they do want the plea bargain, and here's what they're trying to do by denying him the right to a, to get out of pretrial detention and go home. He's not a danger to society. His neighbors are not afraid of him. We have them on record saying that his family's not afraid of him. Even the government has admitted that he's not a flight risk. But he is a high functioning autistic young man. Think for a moment five minutes to Wapner. He's a very much a creature of habit in everything that he does. I interviewed the 711 store owner outside the neighborhood where he walked every single day, Steve, for 13 years and purchased two bottles of Coca Cola and a slice of pizza for 13 years, every day, as told to me by the owner of that 7 11. And he's being held in a situation where it could very well be akin to torture for him to be in that. And certainly his, his family will be compelled to a plea bargain and he will be compelled into a plea bargain so he can go back to his structured normal life with his previous habits and get out of there. So that's the end game of the government. The end game of the government is not to take this to trial.

A (95:06)

How likely is he to succumb to that, in your view? And was there any political writings or anything else that indicated that he was in favor of acting on the kinds of beliefs that would dictate these kinds of actions?

C (95:21)

According to the FBI, he had varying political writings and concerns. His family long term Democrats have voted Democrats exclusively for as far back as we could find records on his family's votes. That's his father, his mother, his grandmother. He is not a politically active young man. But one of the other curiosities in the FBI's statement of facts or complaint against him was that Brian said that he was really concerned about the Irish question.

A (96:03)

What does that even mean exactly? That's why I paused for a second. Does that mean something obvious that I don't even know what that is?

C (96:11)

That's why I paused for exactly the same reason.

A (96:20)

If you're right, what happens if I'm right? Yeah,

C (96:27)

there's. As I said, there's some filings coming that we have only been told, not the specificity of the contents, but have been told that it's nuclear and could very well mean that the kid gets to go home. And that's what we're hoping. Obviously the, the, the defense team has access to discovery now. The government is turning over and this is just mind boggling in a case like this. Over 700,000 pages of discovery. But apparently, even though they won't tell us because they can't share with us what's in discovery while it's still under court seal, but apparently they have something coming that is going to be very important and they, they think it's going to end this case.

A (97:14)

Man, I hope you're wrong, brother. I love you, but I hope you're wrong. I mean, the ramifications of you being right are, are dramatic. Dramatic. Good to see you. Good to see out and about.

C (97:26)

Thank you, Steve.

A (97:27)

You bet. Thank you, Steve. Take care.

C (97:29)

You got it.

A (97:31)

All right, you guys get the last word again, about 90 seconds.

E (97:34)

That's why I hope he's right. We need that drama because the status quo sucks. Whatever it takes to break it up.

B (97:43)

The status quo in this case is just. Again, the timing of the arrest of Brian Cole was just incredible. Just incredible. Just incredible. Again, I'll restate this. This story in and of itself over the past calendar year maybe makes me about as angry just because it's so obvious. If what they're telling us is true, then they better have a slam dunk case. I don't see a slam dunk case. What they've told us so far doesn't sound to me slam dunk. It's made me just about as angry as any story. It's not necessarily because of the stakes, although there is maybe an innocent young man's livelihood, freedom at stake, but because of how, again, just impeccable the timing of his arrest was. When you look at some of the events surrounding his arrest,

A (98:48)

I just real quick, where's. Where's the corporate media been if we're, if we're supposedly framing a black young man? See, where's the corporate media been? This would be right down there. Wheelhouse, right?

E (99:00)

For sure.

A (99:02)

Were you going to say something, Aaron?

B (99:04)

It's another thing.

E (99:04)

It's just just asking questions.

B (99:07)

Just a crazy coincidences all the way around.

A (99:10)

We're going to stick around and do overtime for Blaze TV subscribers For the rest of your back at it again Tomorrow, new to 2 Eastern right after Glenn Beck right here on Blaze TV. Until then, Romans 28, 28, go hard.