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Aaron McIntyre
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Steve Day
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Todd Erzin
Yes.
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Steve Day
Is it? Okay? Well, it is now, even if it's not. So I would recommend that. Although, listen, grab the snickers. It's four hours, okay? You're not going anywhere for a while. All right, but we're going to talk to Congressman Cloud about that. And then our good friend Megan Basham put out a message over the weekend. It's anecdotal in nature, but I think that it is something to be concerned about because I've witnessed some of this myself and we've been talking about the Rogan Vaughn Schultz bro, dude vote that helped us get over the hump in this last election. Completely off the reservation now. Well, Megan ran into the chick version of this. And so at the final segment of the show today, we're going to discuss her experience and how concerned about it we should be. But before we get to all of that, of course, let's begin with Aaron's rundown of what happened while we were away.
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Aaron McIntyre
What happened while we were away Brought to you by Apocalypse Tehran Israeli airstrikes on more than 30 oil depots in and around Tehran, Iran over the weekend left the country's largest city covered in thick black smoke and overnight illuminated by doomsday scenes as petroleum products allegedly flooded in the city's drainage and sewage systems, sparking fires which continue to burn overnight Saturday into Sunday. And Iran claims one of their desalination plants was struck over the weekend, though evidence for that is shaky. Various commentators and news outlets, along with Iran's Foreign Ministry have hinted that the United Arab Emirates is responsible for that strike if it happened, but the UAE has not taken responsibility. President Trump was asked about the latter strike on Saturday.
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Bob Vander Plots
They are among the most evil people ever on earth.
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Steve Day
They cut babies heads off. They chop women in half.
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Bob Vander Plots
What they did.
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Steve Day
Take a look at October 7th. Take a look at what they've done
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Bob Vander Plots
over the last 47 years.
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Steve Day
So I know nothing of about a
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Bob Vander Plots
desalinization plant other than to say if they're complaining about a desalinization plant, we
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Steve Day
complain about the fact that they shouldn't be chopping babies heads off.
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Aaron McIntyre
The seventh US Service member killed in the Iran conflict has been identified as 26 year old Sergeant Benjamin Pennington of Kentucky. He was serving in Saudi Arabia when he sustained life threatening injuries and was being transported to Germany for treatment when he tragically succumbed to those injuries. President Trump also continues to signal the war will only be over after the unconditional surrender of regime forces who named their new supreme leader Mujtaba Khamenei, son of the slain supreme leader Ali Khamenei, who as it's been widely reported, did not wish to have his son succeed him when he died. We've not seen Mojtaba Khomeini in public and it's been also widely reported that along with his father, that his mother, wife and son also perished in the early days of the campaign by Israeli airstrikes. President Trump has previously said that the selection of the younger Khomeini would be unacceptable. Infighting has begun in the Iranian ruling structure, with the country's president apologizing to neighboring countries Saturday for some of Iran's attacks. Later in the day, IRGC leadership came out and basically laid the smackdown, telling the president to shut up. Meanwhile, oil prices shot up late last week and early Sunday trading into Monday with WTI crude peaking at $116 a barrel before relenting later this morning on News G, seven nations are mulling the release of hundreds of millions of barrels of oil from strategic reserves. Amidst all this perceived chaos, however, China is still signaling they're looking forward to hosting President Trump later this month in Beijing, which says a lot. Back at home, former J Sixer Jake Lang organized an anti Islam protest outside the mayor's residence in New York City. Two young men from Bucks County, Pennsylvania arrived and ignited what authorities later confirmed was an improvised explosive device. The device failed to detonate. The police say the suspects, a high schooler by the name of Amir Balat and a 19 year old by the name of Ibrahim Kayyumi, traveled from their homes in a swanky area of Bucks County, Pennsylvania to New York City ahead of the incident and it's being investigated as an act of terrorism. Also in New York City, new FBI documents revealed a prison guard working the night of Jeffrey Epstein's death in the Metropolitan Correctional Facility googled inquiries about the sex predator less than an hour before his body was found and had suspicious deposits into her account flagged by authorities in the months leading up to that fateful night. Nothing to see here. And that's what happened while we were away.
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Steve Day
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Todd Erzin
We're gonna find out.
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Steve Day
We're gonna find out, okay? And see what happens if we come now and reason together over these questions. Okay, let's start back to front. That Epstein security guard story. I, I, I don't. Can I frame. Come on, man. As a question. I mean, what do you even say to this? I mean, this is, I mean, what's, what's tomorrow's headline? And, and, and she googled how to cow to get Jeffrey Epstein to suicide himself. I mean, is that. And she left it in her history and forgot to delete her browser history. I mean, what, what's, I mean, what is this?
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Todd Erzin
And it's not, it's new news to us, but it's not new news to all the people who have been doing their various version of Epstein feng shui and just rearranging deck chairs like you. How do you, how did you expect this not to come out sooner or later if you're one of the ones running the narrative that this is just all a distraction
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Steve Day
just to make sure everybody catches what Aaron just said. Let me, let me sum it up for you, okay? The prison guard who lied to authorities about checking on Epstein also just happened to coincidentally make a series of deposits in the weeks leading up to his death, as one does. They were so suspicious that the bank independently reported them to the police. That same prison guard was also searching for news about Epstein in the moments before his death. And then she was independently named by inmates who claimed that she was involved in covering up the killing. And this, of course, follows all the other stories about how the cameras malfunctioned that very night. So we don't have any really good security hat footage while this was all happening. Was it, was it the. I think it was the. CBS had the. Barry Weiss said CBS had the story about two weeks ago that the rope that's on the report was not even what was actually used to hang him. Okay. According to the inspector general investigation.
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Todd Erzin
I mean, where's this news coming out of? Who's reporting this?
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Steve Day
It wasn't the New York Post that reported it, I thought.
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Todd Erzin
Yeah, but see, this is Pam Bondi. Instead of those stupid binders, she could have handed out one page with just this information, and that would have been like, whoa, that's we. And how long ago was that?
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Steve Day
About a year ago. Almost a year ago at this time. Almost exactly a year. She could have just reported this last
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Todd Erzin
March, and that would have been infinitely better than we've got for month upon month upon month upon month. She doesn't know this. She didn't know that then.
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Steve Day
The only thing I think we're. We are watching with the Epstein story, a live reenactment of the Dark Knight Rises. And a lot of us, there's a growing number of us on the right who are increasingly concerned about the amount of retardation we are seeing happening on our side, where we've gone from question everything to know nothing. You see what I'm saying? Like, nothing can be true. Everything that could be true. Where we now are just deconstructionist incarnate. We're just everything. We're gone from question everything to know nothing. There can be no truth. We can't know anything. And if you are confident that you have discovered something to be true, you're, you're, you're just a, a mark, you're a lemming, you're a shill. Right? That, that's, at least, that's, that's kind of what's become of much of the culture of the online. Right. For sure, I doubt that's filtered down to a lot of your water tables if you're not, you know, in these, on the, on our side, on social media. But this is, this is a fairly decent description of much of the online right these days, what I just said. Correct. So from question everything to know nothing. Okay, so we've gone from skepticism to gnostics, basically. We can't know. But you have to understand it is the noble lie that sets the stage for this bane like instinct or character in the case of the movie to emerge. And I just think it's very clear that portions of the administration believe that the cost of knowing the reality of Jeffrey Epstein is too high. And therefore it's okay to tell a noble lie here because the guy's already dead, nothing can be done about it, and therefore the juice is not worth the squeeze. I think that that's pretty obvious now at this point that that's true.
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Todd Erzin
Except he didn't die accidentally. Correct. He was purposely killed so they can tell this stupid story.
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Steve Day
But then that happened during Trump's first term. So the cost of, of going back and retconning that. See, here's the thing. Most of the liability for what Epstein was doing all those years is on their side. Most of the liability for what happened to Epstein is on our side. See what I'm trying to say here? And so therefore, there is liability to getting to the truth of this on every single side. Epstein was unalived on Trump's watch. That was in Trump's first term.
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Todd Erzin
Well, there's a lot more liability now than there would have been if they. If they did what I said months ago and just handed out a piece of paper that said this, then.
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Steve Day
Well, of course.
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Todd Erzin
So they earned it.
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Steve Day
Now to. And again, we don't know the fullness of the truth, so we can't. We. The three of us, cannot sit here and say there is no amount of disclosure of the realities of how deep this rabbit hole goes that. That we can say for sure. I'd like to be able to say that, but we can't say for sure that there's no amount of how deep the rabbit hole with Epstein goes that we wouldn't eventually ourselves say. Okay, that's just. That's just too far down the road. I'd like to think there's not, but we can't. We don't know that for sure. Right? We don't know for sure.
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Todd Erzin
Okay.
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Steve Day
Okay. That there. It. We at least have to leave open the possibility there is a depth of how. How far down this one goes that even the three of us would be like, okay, that just maybe put that in a vault and tell that story like, 50 years from now. I. We can't say for sure. I'd like to think there's not. But a place where we would say that, but I can't say that for sure. Can you say that for sure, for sure, for sure?
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Todd Erzin
I can't say it for.
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Steve Day
I mean, particularly if you buy into the theories of intelligence assets and all these various things, then I think you definitely can't say that for sure.
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Todd Erzin
Right?
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Steve Day
I mean, we definitely can't say that for sure. But I. But I do think what we can say for sure is there's now enough liability on. On both sides of the political aisle now in terms of Epstein's fate. On our side, much of Epstein's associations and networking that occurred for many of those years with the backing of most people on their side, that this has kind of now just become like the COVID vaccine, where there's just. There's not. There's no way to tell the truth about this, that someone's pants doesn't get pulled down that Everybody likes on every side. And so we're just going to act like mistakes were made, we're going to move on. And, you know, sorry about that whole thing.
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Todd Erzin
Every reaction is basically like another booster. Let's hope it works this time. And it just poisons us further. Yeah, I think that's a very good analogy.
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Steve Day
But if, but moving forward to the future, and if you want to run this party in the future and if you want to, if you want to be a leader on our side in the future, you're going to have to wrestle with this bane like, dynamic that is emerging on our side, and you're going to have to figure out how to corral it, going to have to figure out how to deal with it. You're probably not going to have as strong of a personality as Trump to just kind of rein it in. But you can see now that with the whole Trump Tucker thing, that, that now has even exceeded Trump's ability to, to keep people coloring inside the lines to the point that Trump essentially excommunicated Tucker over the weekend, frankly. Now, of course, you're never permanently excommunicated in Trump world. All right. But for now, all right, Tucker is outside of grace in, in, in MAGA world, according to the King. Right. But in the future, this dynamic is going to get harder to deal with. It's going to get harder to corral, it's going to get harder to discipline the more you feed it by not giving it real answers on things that matter to people. All right, let's get to the Iran war. Okay, just a general question. How are we feeling one weekend, either one of you?
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Todd Erzin
I think I'm feeling that there is a plan when, when Donald Trump says the messaging on the plane, like, I don't know about desalinization plant, but I, you know, no, cutting babies heads off and cutting women in half is evil. And you put that next to the optics of Donald. You know, Donald Trump likes oil. If he's blowing up some oil based on some of his messaging, messaging in the past about the Middle east and, and peace, I think Donald Trump is very certain about what he wants to accomplish here. And that's as important as anything. Because when Donald Trump is just kind of out there in the breeze and being the weather, whether it's domestically, which has mostly been the case domestically, but if that starts going off into foreign entanglements because he's just kind of given up on the domestic end, then we're going to be in big trouble in a lot of ways. Beyond the midterms So I think the
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Aaron McIntyre
key tell for how this is going is what unfolded. And I mentioned in passing in the montage, Iran's President Projekian came out. It was unclear which neighboring countries he was apologizing for striking, but he also said, those will, you know, will stop striking you. And then the irgc, along with the speaker of parliament in Iran, came out and said, shut up, we look weak.
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Steve Day
And launched, launched one at Turkey this
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Aaron McIntyre
morning and launched and kept launching attacks at other, other countries, including Turkey, a NATO member. So we are simultaneously, I think, in this position where you're starting to see some fissures. But that also means we could be entering a period of escalation, particularly if they launch a successful strike against Turkey. I think it's far more likely, from what I've seen, that Azerbaijan might get involved. And yes, they're a tiny country, but they've also been hardened by war in recent years as well. So that's not a joke of a force that they have. If they start lobbing at Turkey, Turkey might just respond opportunistically, sensing weakness if they want to expand their territory as well. So we're simultaneously starting to see some of the fissures that we want, while also at the same time, this risks escalation. Also reported this morning that there are tankers moving through the straits of the Strait of Hormuz. So there's that. I also don't believe that Motaba Khamenei is alive. I don't think he's at least incapacitated. We haven't seen him. All of his family was killed in that initial strike. It's entirely possible, I wouldn't put it past the IRGC to appoint or name a new supreme leader who is dead. So that coalition forces start chasing ghosts.
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Steve Day
What do we think about hitting. Let's assume. Well, it's assumed our side hit the oil reserves, whether it was the UAE who did it or the Israelis who did it. Okay. But that would be part of the coalition in either case. All right. On my phone over the weekend, there was certainly some division about whether, with people I know whether this is a tactic we want to be doing. Okay, hey, you know, let's blow up a potential, the potential market economy of who would ever, of the people that we would want to be able to take over Iran if we toppled this regime and could stabilize it. On the other hand, you know, obviously the regime is using that oil to fund its own efforts at the exact same time. Right. So there was, there was, there was division within My circle of people that I know over this decision, what do you guys think?
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Todd Erzin
And I saw that online and people were talking about how sky high oil prices are going to go. But like I just got done saying this. This actually to me was a sign that we are serious about being. There's nothing, there's no button we won't press you. We can do this easy way or the hard way. And so now do I. Is there a guaranteed outcome? No, I won't be Pollyannish. But the fact that Donald Trump will do this means he's fully invested in my estimation.
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Aaron McIntyre
Yeah, my initial inclination was, well, if you want regime change, if you want the people to rise up, what resources are they going to have after this if you start blowing up their oil? Yet at the same time, if you want regime change, you have to signal to the Iranian regime, we'll blow everything up. Yeah, we'll just blow everything up. There's nothing you can do about it.
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Steve Day
Do you guys get the sense we just had news of a seventh service member casualty just a few minutes ago and in fact we make sure we honor him with his name because I shared that news on my ex account right before we went on the air. 26 year old staff sergeant Benjamin Pennington of Kentucky is the seventh known casualty we've had in Operation Epic Fury. Does it feel like for the most part most of the country has already moved on?
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Todd Erzin
You mean just not hanging on pins and needles about this is going on? But yeah, but that's most of the country more and more about just about anything.
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Steve Day
Don't disagree. I don't disagree. Aaron, do you get that perception as
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Aaron McIntyre
well that the country has kind of moved on?
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Steve Day
Kind of moved on a little bit and it feels as if the only things that would make it return focus are the kinds of news we don't want to see? Right.
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Todd Erzin
Yes.
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Steve Day
An escalation in the amount of caskets with American flags draped over them returning home. An escalation in sleep, in sleeper cell activations. I mean, yesterday we had the Kansas City airport shut down. For how many hours was that shut down yesterday? Okay. An escalation in domestic terror at home
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Todd Erzin
or if gas is suddenly like, you
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Steve Day
know, $8 a gallon or something. Yeah. What does that mean then? All right, since we all agree that that appears to be the dynamic right now, there are people expending a lot of political capital online on our side over this war and it's not even really about the war. I mean, there are all kinds of rationales and reasons that you could express skepticism about this without really talking about Jews or anti Semitic tropes whatsoever. Here's a few. For example, how's our overall record of prolonged engagements going back to, you know, Beirut, 1983? How's our overall record of prolonged engagements in the Middle east as a country been? How's that gone?
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Todd Erzin
It's sketchy.
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Steve Day
It's sketchy. That's kind of sketch. Right? As the kids say today. Okay. We have a myriad of issues here at home that must be confronted.
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Todd Erzin
Yes.
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Steve Day
Okay, there's that. All right. So I mean there, there are numerous things that you could discuss. Hey, what's, do we have a clear line of succession right now? We're not even sure who's running Iran right now. Right. We're not even sure who's. As Aaron just pointed out, we're not even sure who's running Iran right now within the regime, let alone who's going to run it after the regime were, were to be toppled.
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Todd Erzin
Right.
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Steve Day
Okay. And again, you guys can send me all the notes about the Shaw you want. You guys always send me a bunch of notes when I bring that up. Okay. There's, there's over a hundred thousand. Well, at least hopefully we've killed more. A lot of them. But going into this conflict, there was over a hundred thousand armed members of the Iranian Revolutionary Guard on the ground in Iran. Right. They're going to have some say so unless they are severely incapacitated or diminished as a fighting unit, they're going to have some say so in who the next leader of Iran is. Right?
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Todd Erzin
Yeah.
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Steve Day
Okay, so that, that's also a truth and a fact, Right? Right. Right. So those are rationales and reasons that are. You could be saying this is not a good expenditure of our political capital. Why are we doing this? But the fact that everything I just said. How often, how often are those arguments used by, by the, the loudest voices against this war on our side compared to just belaboring and perpetuating anti Semitic tropes? What would you say the ratio. The, the ratio is.
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Todd Erzin
It's a bad one.
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Steve Day
It's a very. It's like we're well into negative integers, Aaron, wouldn't you say? I would say so, yeah. So what does that tell you about really what the heart of the, of their, of their dissent really is then? You see what I'm trying to say? Oh yeah, because. Because there are options you could have to make arguments that doesn't cause you to reveal your heart has been blackened by anti Semitism and yet they're just choosing to byplate. They're, they've James Talarico themselves. They're just choosing to bypass any of those efforts and just want you to know they're really just here to buy to, to, to evangelize and proselytize anti zionism and anti Semitism. And this war is just a means to that end. It's not really that they have issues with the war for many of these people, but they really just want us. They just hate Israel and Jews. Yeah, that's a problem. Yeah, it's a major problem. And it's a major problem moving forward. And I have a general rule if, if, if I. And I've been, I've been not I've either I've been community noted. I think I've counted three times. Twice. No, twice. So far I've been community noted. But there have been like five things that I've shared since, since Elon put that in that have then been community noted. My policy with the first, I keep track of this stuff because I want to tell you the truth as best as I understand it. I've got enough bias with my own worldview. I want to make sure that my facts are at least objectively true. And my policy is I will immediately delete something if it's community noted. Okay. I broke that policy this weekend because of these comments that Tucker made about what unconditional surrender is. And I think it's because the, the post that I shared has a description that's a little more aggressive than the actual video. But if you watch the video itself, Tucker clearly does say in the video, which I did. I mean, obviously I did that before I commented on it. Tucker does clearly say in the video, let's just be honest. Basically anybody that's for unconditional surrender means that what they're really saying is, you know, they can rape your women and stuff like that if they want to do that. He does not say he wants American soldiers to rape women, but he's essentially saying unconditional surrender goes along with that. I don't know much history. You guys know unconditional surrender is. Were the terms that we gave Germany and Japan in World War II, did we have just mass rapings of German and Japanese women by American soldiers as a result of demanding unconditional surrender?
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Todd Erzin
We did not.
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Steve Day
Why would you, I'm asking why would you make points like that when there are other clear headed, more rational points you could make without having to succumb to saying things like that? We just established this, right? There are some legitimate reasons to be skeptical of what we're doing right now and how it's going to turn out. We don't know what a line of succession is. Our record, our record in that part of the region going back 40 years is beyond checkered and spotted or spotted. Right. And we have a myriad of problems here at home. You could just keep focusing on those things over and over again as opposed to, here's this secret cabal of Jews that really want to rebuild the temple. And that's what this is really all about. And hey, I guess, you know, unconditional surrender means we just let our soldiers do whatever they want to people, including raping women. If that's what the. You know, that's what. That's what. Why would you do that? Especially when you're somebody as smart as Tucker, as disciplined as Tucker, as we've seen him in the past. You know that he doesn't. This is not Candace Owens. This is not a retard. This is somebody very smart and wise. And so when somebody very smart and wise is willing, is able and capable of succumbing to this level of retardation and darkness, I think you have to ask what's going on there. Is that fair?
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Todd Erzin
Completely.
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Steve Day
More in a moment. The Steve Day Show.
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Aaron McIntyre
To realize the future America needs, we
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Steve Day
understand what's needed from us to face each threat head on. We've earned our place in the fight for our nation's future.
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Aaron McIntyre
We are Marines.
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Steve Day
We were made for this. Okay, caller one wins courtside seats to tonight's game.
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Michael Cloud
What?
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Steve Day
I won floor seats. You did?
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Michael Cloud
I've been calling for 13 months.
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Steve Day
Wait.
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Michael Cloud
Chris.
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Aaron McIntyre
Yes.
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Michael Cloud
I finally did it. What are you gonna wear?
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Steve Day
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Michael Cloud
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Steve Day
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Aaron McIntyre
Don't want to stick out. Exactly.
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Michael Cloud
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Steve Day
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Michael Cloud
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Steve Day
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Michael Cloud
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Steve Day
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Bob Vander Plots
Good to see you. I'm glad you guys are still doing a program. Didn't know if it continued on or not.
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Steve Day
Well, we're all day to day, you podcasts. We are. We are all day to day.
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Bob Vander Plots
We are, believe me.
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Steve Day
Well, you're coming back just in time because it's spring around here right now. Going to get cooler again this weekend. But it's really nice.
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Bob Vander Plots
That's really nice. It looks like a couple of bike riding days are in my future.
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Steve Day
Well, also in your future is campaigns now are evangelistic crusades and not just about issues any longer. In fact, we've been talking a lot about this in regards to the Texas Senate race in James Talarico. Here's one of the latest clips of him that has gone viral over the weekend. Something that you love that's not family or friends.
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Michael Cloud
I love.
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Steve Day
I'm just saying this because it's on my mind.
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Michael Cloud
The trans children who showed up yesterday
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Steve Day
at the state capitol to advocate for their humanity, they shouldn't have to, but it was an inspiration to watch. So Talarico was an absolute nobody Knew him, state senator about 60 days ago. And Jasmine Crockett, the Texas congresswoman, private school girl, well to do background and upbringing. I mean, she traded that all in for the oldest political grift of the last era, which is racial identity. When full cherry girl Bob got the fake eyelashes, the long fingernails went full ghetto drama queen, trash panda. All right, Using language she certainly didn't graduate from that private school in St. Louis, you know, utilizing. Sure, okay.
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Bob Vander Plots
Just didn't use it.
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Steve Day
Exactly. All right, traded that all in. And normally we have seen. On the left, we've seen white, straight white males do not beat people of minorities in contested primaries. On the right, we've seen, we've been, we're willing to elevate anybody, despite how double digit IQ they, they might be. If you're non white and you're willing to say right wing things in a, in a, on a screen, there's millions to be made, right? I mean, whether it's the perpetuation of the racial grift on the left or our defensive response to it on the right, this has been the, the most. It's ironic. I mean, we just buried Jesse Jackson last week. He's the originator of all this. I mean, this is, this has been, this is the most profitable political grift of this era has been racial identity politics, right?
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Bob Vander Plots
It has.
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Steve Day
And yet James Talarico came out of nowhere because of two media appearances. Joe Rogan and then Stephen Colbert. And those two appearances out of nowhere were like a siren song to Democrats in Texas. And they said, hey, listen, Jasmine, back at the bus to you, because James is the OG of what we're really after here, the opportunity to apostatize Christianity because it's the last bulwark against us completely taking over this country. And he's going to provide it for us. And that's how he rode that all the way to a Senate primary. I know you've been watching this the month that you were away with great interest. Your thoughts?
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Bob Vander Plots
Well, first of all, nothing new under the sun, right? But what we did is we found a trump card, no pun intended. But the trump card is, hey, if I can distort Christianity and the truth thereof, you know, I've got a place in this system. And it elevates me above the Jasmine Crockets of the world of saying, listen, nobody in this country really knows what they believe anyhow. But the Christian right has had a foothold. They've had a foothold and they're the ones who are responsible for nominating and Electing people like Ted Cruz, nominating and electing people like Donald J. Trump. And now it's our turn to say, hey, we're going to give you a different gospel. We're going to give you something that sounds better to your ears. And now you come and elect me. And that's what the left wants to do. Satan's always wanted to shut up the word of God. Now he's using politicians as vehicles to make that happen. So, for example, in the clip that Aaron just played about tell me something on your heart. It's these trans kids who come to Austin to the state capitol in Texas, and they're on my heart. And I want everybody, of course you love them, but do you love them enough to tell them the truth? That God created them, male and female, and he didn't make a mistake and God created you just who you are. He loves you for who you are. He has a purpose you, how he created you for who you are. You do not have to transition to try to find some new purpose or some newfound hope and joy. You can stay within your own body and do that. But he's not open to tell the truth. And so I listened to him on Stephen Colbert and listen to my other interviews. The thing of it is, he's great at hijacking scripture without giving context to scripture.
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Steve Day
So one of the things that we're seeing on our side right now is there are some people that have become so anti Semitic and or anti Israel.
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Bob Vander Plots
Sure.
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Steve Day
That they almost have to hope Operation Epic Fury fails, that America loses to reinforce their narrative. Because if that doesn't happen, that narrative kind of blows up in their face and all they're really left with is, oh, you're just anti Semites. Right. Because we have a, we have a proof of concept. If it works. It may not work. I mean, we're all going to find out. Okay. But similarly, I know there's been a few churches over the years that have said to organizations like yours appreciate what you're doing, but we don't get involved in the political arena here. Right. Okay.
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Bob Vander Plots
We're keeping you at a ten foot correct. To a thousand foot stiff arm pole.
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Steve Day
Yeah, we're not, we're not, we're not talking about apostate churches like Talarico speaking to in front of right, 30 boomers. Okay. You know, who think, you know, eating off Styrofoam brings them closer to Jesus because they recycle.
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Bob Vander Plots
These are churches.
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Steve Day
These are good churches. The ones Talarico is talking to draw basically flies.
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Bob Vander Plots
Sure.
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Steve Day
These are, these are a lot of the mega church kind of churches in your community. Right? Okay.
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Bob Vander Plots
We don't want to be divisive.
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Steve Day
Right. All right. So in some respects, just like that element on the online. Right. I just mentioned that are kind of so boxing themselves in that they now need to hope that this operation against Iran is a failure. So they can say, see, we told you so. Israel's bad. Right. Those churches now, have they not boxed themselves in, Bob? Because now I hear the enemy saying, okay, well, cool. All right, let's see. Rook to King 4. All right, checkmate. We'll just run apostates for office. Then you guys will never say anything. You'll never bring it up. You'll never do apologetics. You'll never contend for the faith, like Jude says. You'll never, you'll never define first things, fundamentals. You'll not do any of that because those are divisive now. They're politicized now. So we're just going to open. We're not going to. We're not going to have apostates run on their politics. They're going to run on their apostasy. They're going to make their apostasy the basis for their candidacy. These are proselytizing evangelistic efforts masquerading as political campaigns. Right. And so we're just going to have the apostates run for office and you guys will just totally back off then and never confront error whatsoever because you don't want to be seen as divisive. Right?
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Bob Vander Plots
Divisive. So let me answer that question a couple different ways. First of all, about the anti Semites and those who are against Israel, they have boxed themselves into a corner. That's why they have to believe that Trump and Netanyahu and Epic Fury and Hagseth and everybody else, Marco Rubio, that that all fails if it doesn't fail. They were seeing that. Listen, all that was was for clickbait, for other things to get social media to get you more attention. All that was. But. But you are definitely casting a worldview here that's about ready to fall on itself for the churches that you and I are talking about. I don't know if they're boxing themselves into a corner, but I would see it more as a time for choosing. Are you going to allow a guy like James, help me out. Tellarico still learning how to say his name, that James Tellarico's got the mic and he's given a version of scripture that you know to be disastrously and Deceptively wrong. What say you when he says God never spoke about the sanctity of human life? I think all you gotta do is go back to Psalm 139 and say, he knitted you together in your mother's womb. He ordained each and every day before one of them came to be. Jesus never talked about the institution of marriage. Remember him saying that? This was this Talarico guy. Jesus never taught about the institution of marriage. And yet in Matthew 19, I believe it's like in verse four where it begins, Jesus calls out the duha of the day. And the duha of the day said God created them, male and female, and whatever he joins together, no one should put asunder. That sounds to me like Jesus talks about the institution of marriage being male and female, and that should never be separated. No divorce, no, no, no judge, no whatever should put that asunder or redefine it. So the fact is, we talk about all the time that these politicians, and especially these people hold office, that in fact they are ministers of God. If you believe government to be an institution of God's, then those who hold office within it, they are ministers of God. Well, what they're finding out is that Donald Trump, if he's a minister of God, he has the biggest bully pulpit on the planet. He's got the biggest church audience of the planet. Tellarico's got a huge church audience right now, just not in Texas, but increasingly.
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Steve Day
I think he'll raise. Beto raised $80 million in 2018 against Ted Cruz. I think Talarico is going to do better than that.
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Bob Vander Plots
So Tellarico's got this huge microphone. So will it motivate and will it. I mean, not just major churches in the state of Texas, but other churches across the country.
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Steve Day
And a lot of those donations are going to come from across the country today.
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Bob Vander Plots
We stand on God's word. Do not distort the word of God. Now, do we love trans kids? Of course we love trans kids. We love kids.
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Steve Day
I love trans kids. Except there aren't any trans kids. There aren't any. There's only men and women.
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Bob Vander Plots
If you're struggling with sexual identity, of course I love you. But I love you enough to tell you the truth. Do I love the institution of marriage the way God has designed it? Of course I love it. But again, I love it enough to tell the truth about what it is and what it isn't. And all of us fall short when it comes to the institution of marriage or trying to hold up the gold standard to anything but at least we should be reminded of what is true and who is God and who isn't. And we should all try to aspire to his principles and his precepts, not mold the God into what we want him to do.
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Steve Day
So what would you recommend those churches then? You said they've got a choice than they have to make. What would you recommend that they do? What we say is they've conditioned their audiences for how many decades now that they're not going to address any of these kinds of things in a political construction. Can they stand up there and say, listen, we're not telling you how to vote, but there's some things here you guys need to understand that are being said in this campaign that are just that this is not Christian orthodoxy and I wouldn't be doing my job as a pastor if I don't tell you that. Which of course then begs one of two questions as a follow up. A why haven't you done this a long time ago? Number two, you know, how's your audience prepared to receive this? Because you didn't do this all this time?
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Bob Vander Plots
I would say a couple things. One is that we've been consistent. We've told churches for a long time we do not need you to be political, but what we do need you to do is be biblical and to be culturally relevant. And culturally relevant is that when a court redefines the institution of marriage, you should be able to speak into that so your flock knows what is marriage and what isn't marriage. And a court doesn't have the right to. To redefine it or basically to redefine it. Only God has that right. And in this case, if you have a guy like Tellarico out there spewing things that aren't biblical, I think it is fair game. Listen, a lot of you are taking this guy in. We see all of the hits. The fact is, what he's saying here doesn't line up with the word of God. We're not telling you who to vote for, who not to vote for. But you need to know what lines up with God, what, what doesn't. I had a pastor, matter of fact, it's the pastor that Aaron and I, we go to our church in Soteria, but he said there was a pastor that he listens to, that he follows and just got shocked one day, matter of fact, got very concerned. But the pastor said, listen, I believe when and if I mobilize my congregation to the voting booth, they cancel themselves out. And he was in our pastor's base how can that be? How can you cancel yourselves out if you're under the teaching of the word of God, the authentic biblical teaching of the word of God. And so therefore, I believe my pastor, I believe Aaron's pastor would definitely confront this in a winsome way, but still confront in a way. Listen, they're spewing some things. It's not biblical. It doesn't line up.
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Steve Day
How prepared do you think that. You know what Charlie used to call these trembling churches?
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Todd Erzin
Yeah.
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Steve Day
Okay. And so how prepared do you think that realm of trembling church is to confront this new phase now where campaigns themselves become vessels for preaching apostasy?
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Bob Vander Plots
Well, one is, I think their spine is stiffening a bit. And I'm going to give you the hopeful side, the glass half full side. I believe their spine is stiffening. And the reason is, since COVID we've seen a lot of these woke churches, the rainbow flag churches. As you said, they're attracting flies. They're dying. They're going out. Why? Because they're not speaking truth and they're not being culturally relevant. They're just trying to let the culture redefine the word of God versus the word of God redefine the culture. But what you're seeing is that the churches are actually growing. Why? Our church is in a building camp. Those who are sticking to the word of God and being culturally relevant, we're seeing those churches grow. We're seeing people saying, I want the truth, especially the Gen Z ers. They're saying, listen, everybody's lied to me. I just want somebody to speak truth to me. And so the Gen zers, I think, will flock to churches like that. So I think sometimes some ways their spine is stiffening because they see others doing it and others are not having everybody leave their church. But your job isn't to grow the base attendance of a church or have the biggest budget of a church. Your job is to be faithful to God's word and to faithfully apply it to a culture that desperately needs it.
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Steve Day
Todd, really quick. When Dan Brown's novels became a cultural force of nature in the early to mid 2000s, the Catholic Church absolutely mobilized messaging to oppose that. To say, listen, there's a reason these books are in the fiction section. They walked through, they did media tours. I had several priests on my show back in those days. They would send me pitches as well. On a local level, how prepared is the Catholic Church to take on somebody who is going to use apostasy as a vehicle to drive a political campaign that's already gaining national attention.
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Todd Erzin
No more prepared than anybody else. Because the I don't want to get political excuse is as common there as anywhere else. And it's a portrayal of Matthew 28. That's not just an admonition for geography. It's what you say, Steve, all the time about every issue is theological. The political realm is a real thing that governs our lives. The simple fact of the matter, as grotesque as James Talarico is, he is far more honest about Matthew 28 than a lot of very conservative pastors because he understands that realm. I'm gonna go get it. It is an absolute failure and a betrayal for every pastor and or priest to say, I don't wanna get political and you should mock them.
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Bob Vander Plots
So. So here's the key.
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Steve Day
You got 30 seconds.
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Bob Vander Plots
We bring it close to home. Tellarico's in the state of Texas. I know that your show's national. I, by the way, I need to give a shout out to Dennis from Michigan who I saw on Marco Island. Marco Island. He's a big fan of your show. But right here in the state of Iowa, you got a governor candidate, Rob sand, who's using scripture as well, saying God's never talked about the sanctity of human life, and when he does, he says life begins at first. Breath, guys, they are taking scripture out of context. You need to be willing to stand up and let your congregations know about it.
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Steve Day
Amen. Thank you, Bob. Good to see you, man.
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Bob Vander Plots
Thank you. God bless.
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Steve Day
When we come back, Congressman Michael Cloud's going to join us next. Stay tuned. All right, we're back here with hour two, live and on demand on Blaze TV, radio and podcast alongside Aaron McIntyre and Todders. And I'm Steve Dase. Let us know what you think about what we think via the stevedace.com inbox by emailing us steve dace.com that's D E A C E like us on Facebook. Me, we and gab. You can follow me at Steve Dash show on X Instagram and Tick tock. You can also subscribe to our third attempt at a YouTube channel at day show on YouTube. Which is why 16 state attorney general sent a letter to YouTube on our behalf a month ago, asking them why do they continue to punitively censor us now for six years running. So our third attempt at trying a YouTube channel at day show on YouTube. Who knows, maybe third time's the charm at day show on YouTube. If you listen to the podcast version, you can subscribe by hitting that subscribe button. Or if you're on apple itunes, as many of you are hit follow. That's how you're going to know for sure. Every time we do a new episode, it's for sure in your podcast feed. And then don't forget as well to leave us a five star review. Tens of thousands of you have done that for us. We appreciate them all. We'd appreciate it if you would do the same. So thank you. And we appreciate our friends over at MD hearing who are number one concerned about how much we just seem willing to accept higher prices on things these days. They can't do everything, something about everything, but they can do something about that in the hearing aid world. $8,000 for a hearing aid is outrageous. That's what MD Hearing wants to do something about. They want to change all that. That's why they deliver high quality rechargeable digital hearing AIDS for just $297 a pair, over 90% less than traditional clinical hearing aids. And how can they do this? They're created by a medical professional who saw how his patients needed hearing help but could not afford it. So he set out to fix the system. And that fixes MD hearing. Their new neo model fits right inside your ear, so it's nearly invisible. And the neo xs, it's their smallest one ever. No bulky hardware, no learning curve. Just get big savings with a tiny hearing aid from mdhearing. Go to shopmdhearing.com and use promo code Steve to get a pair of hearing AIDS for just $297. And they're adding a free extra charging case that's $100 value just for being a part of our show. That shopmdhearing.com use the promo code Steve for this special offer@shopmdhearing.com promo code Steve. Well, you guys might recall last week there was an event in the u. S. Congress that went viral. Caught our attention as well. We talked about it quite a bit. It involved the testimony of a female pastor talking to congressman Michael cloud. We were very impressed with the way that he was able to deconstruct her deconstruction. And that's why we wanted to have him with us on the show as well. Congressman, it's a pleasure to have you with us, brother. How are you?
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Michael Cloud
Doing good. Doing good. Thank you for having me on. And I'll just say at the outset, there's no way I can live up to the kind words you had last week.
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Steve Day
So.
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Michael Cloud
But it's good to talk with you.
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Steve Day
Well, appreciate that. So let's just start with kind of Your background, the way that you walked her into her own premise and then pulled the chair out from underneath the flawed premise there, that we just don't see a lot of that today. The church, frankly, has not done a great job of preparing the last generation of believers to do that. So your background and why were you able to do such a thing last week?
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Michael Cloud
Yeah, I'm a born and bred church kid, so I grew up in church in a season of our church where there's a real focus on teaching the Bible and scripture and have always, I guess, just early on taught that you're supposed to use that to try to shape a worldview. And then out of that, you know, that should create kind of the lens at which we interpret and we interact with what's going on in the world around us. And so really it's come out of that. I don't consider myself a Bible scholar necessarily, but certainly a Bible student. You know, each day I'm reading through my Bible, just the daily habits of, you know, me and my family, we're doing our daily Bible reading, we're trying to learn. And I've made the habit of, especially in the last few years, serving in this office of just as I go through scripture, kind of cataloging things according to policy, because there's a whole lot in scripture that talks about and addresses the world we're living in on a whole array of issues. And, you know, just want to make sure that I'm keeping that front and center as we weigh the issues that are that are facing our society and our nation.
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Steve Day
Michael, I'm curious. How much did you know going in about how effective this was going to be so early in my career? When I left local radio and went into national media, I was an MSNBC contributor for almost two years and did a ton of their shows. And I did it for just two reasons. One, I needed to get my name out there as much as I possibly could. Number two is I was genuinely fascinated to see do these folks have, you know, do they have some logic and rationale for why they think and believe some of the things they do that maybe I just don't know. Right. I kind of wanted to test my own worldview up against theirs. And what I often found was the answer to that question was a resounding no. And that if, if they could do better than just calling you a racist, misogynist, xenophobic, homophobic bigot, as Rush used to say, then they would right that they, they resort to those things because they really don't have A lot of really reasoned arguments to defend what they believe. And they, and they've kind of been coached to just think that if they call you those things, you'll just kind of shut down, that they like, there's no comeback to those things. You could, could not possibly overcome the objection of being labeled some of those things. And so I'm curious, but it took me a couple years and nearly 50 appearances on MSNBC to learn this for myself. Right. You know, and so I'm kind of curious, did you kind of know going in, did you kind of set the trap here or were you just genuinely surprised that the conversation went on about how little basis she had for what she was even arguing for?
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Michael Cloud
Yeah, well, first of all, I didn't know she was going to be a witness till I walked into the committee room that day and saw she was there. And, you know, I had heard Matthew 25. It seems to be the only scripture we ever hear coming from the left. And so, you know, I thought, you know, I wonder if she's going to bring up Matthew 25 again. And I looked through her opening statement and sure enough, there at the end, she invoked Matthew 25. And I thought, well, I'll be back at committee. Let me go back to my office, grab my Bible real quick. And did that. I will say I wasn't really trying to do a one over or anything. Especially when we were talking about the parable of the Talents, I fully expected a response. That's not one of the most popular parables in the New Testament and people might not know where it is, but they usually, at least if they've been in church at all, are familiar with it. So it wasn't meant to be a stump the pastor at all. It meant to be a back and forth. So I was kind of surprised as well, you know, but people have sent me different links and whatever I thought not. The BE really had one interesting take on it and they said it wasn't so remarkable as what I said. I didn't feel like it was deep theology. It was kind of basic and important. But the fact that a pastor wouldn't know, I think was actually much more remarkable. And it kind of speaks to the state of the church in the United States. And that's been heavy on my heart really the last several years. I've been kind of engaging in this new world, having worked in the church world previously to see pastors who are, I guess, kind of scared to engage on these issues when the Bible's so full of detail, full of prescriptions for society and all these different kind of things that we should be engaging with. So that I thought was quite telling.
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Steve Day
So you didn't, you didn't have a 4D chess plan laid out. You and your staff didn't game theory this out? All right, you weren't even sure this woman who was even testifying that morning in your committee until you saw, until you showed up for work. Right? You just are a guy with a function, is that correct? For so far. Okay.
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Michael Cloud
Yeah, yeah. A lot of times the dims won't tell us in advance who's, you know, coming to committee. Okay, so we'll find out that morning.
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Steve Day
Yeah, yeah. So you're just a guy with a functional knowledge of his own belief system and that was it. And I think this is important for our audience to understand because I think that they think that this requires like some, you know, nine degree, you know, seminar, you know, program from whatever few respectable seminaries we even have left in America. Right. And, and I think it's important for them to see that it really, it really doesn't. It requires a basic knowledge of the word of God and maybe just a little bit of courage.
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Michael Cloud
Yeah, I think so. You know, it's really time for people of faith to just stand up and be who we are. You know, you'll hear that from the left all the time. Just be who you are. You know, just. And that's what we need to be. Just be a light and stand for the principles that we know make society work and that Christ championed and espoused and released into the world. You know, and so the Bible gives us a whole lot of instruction from society. It's been, you know, just growing up in the church, you kind of like, you know, those of us who've been taught to read our Bible a little bit every day. Well, you know, for us and our family, we try to read through it in a year. And so, you know, you kind of plod through Leviticus and Deuteronomy. But, you know, as a legislator now, I mean, there's just so much in there that the general principles and of, you know, for a lot of different liability law, property rights, taxation, I mean, all these just different sort of things are in there and the birthing principles of it, you know, and even in the chambers, those who visit our House chambers, you'll see a lot of members point to the fact that just off camera view, the House chamber is, has these faces of lawmakers throughout history all the way around it. But directly in front of the speaker is Moses and he's the only one who's full faced. Everybody else is a profile. And so we understand that western society is really built on the ten Commandments and what was laid out by Moses. But still we don't take the time to really dig into what does that mean and evaluate what's coming before us based on these principles anymore. And it's really something we could. It would do us good to get
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Steve Day
back to were you surprised?
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Michael Cloud
Understand the why behind the what?
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Steve Day
Pardon me? Were you surprised by how viral this went?
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Michael Cloud
I was, you know, I kind of, you know, I thought it was going to be something. But what's been kind of very interesting to watch is the slow burn. And I think it over the last several days, just as it kind of keeps carrying on a life of its own. And I think it's just been refreshing, I think, for people of faith to see, like, okay, we don't have to hide our light under a bushel, so to speak, and that there's truth to be found. And you know, one of the big things in society right now is the fact that we've made truth malleable. Where before, you know, we could disagree on truth, but we believe that truth was findable, that there was an absolute truth. And so the discussion was trying to get to that place of truth. When truth becomes what we want it to be, or it's my truth or your truth or whoever's truth, then there's no standard of justice or no standard of right and wrong. And you know, so us getting back to like, these are the principles that our society is based on and this is how to build a good society, a good family, you know, a righteous government, you know, those kind of things. And then it's a matter of us studying it and trying to figure out how to get it done.
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Steve Day
What kind of reaction did you get from your colleagues to this?
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Michael Cloud
It's overall, it's been, at least the ones talking to me, I should say has been positive. And it was refreshing. And you know, like I said, I went in that morning fully expecting to question Governor Walts and deal with some of the fraud issues that we've been trying to peel back on. But at the same time, you know, so much of what we see going on is built on such a, the arguments coming from, from that side are built on this false foundation. And I thought it was important to kind of go after that foundational truth that these lies are being built upon. And so, you know, anyway. But yes, us kind of peeling back that onion, so to speak, you Know, other representatives have come to me and, and, you know, basically said, hey, that was a good job. We need to get back to that a little more.
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Steve Day
So I, I'm remembering the, the old. One of the old lines from Ronald Reagan. The problem with our friends on the other side of the aisle is, is not their beliefs. It's that much of what they believe just doesn't happen to be true. And so I, I thought that you did an excellent job of exposing that. I'm curious about any Democrat colleagues. Right. Because when. When you do what you did, what you did, which is peel that onion back and show that there's no foundation there at all. Right. And that there really is no standing whatsoever for why you are claiming what you claim and believing what you believe. Right, right. You. You kind of point out the emperor has no clothes. You are. And you did it. I mean, you're, you know, your personality was. Was very calm, very measured, but it was an absolute weapon of mass destruction in terms of worldview deconstruction. And, and so no matter how you say it, no matter how measured you are, when you leave someone com. When you leave someone's worldview in tatters, they're going to typically have one of two reactions to that. They're going to either say, show me your ways, or, you know, they're going to. They're going to. They're going to treat you like, you know, you're the other. So how about your Democratic colleagues? Did you hear anything from them about that exchange at all?
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Michael Cloud
Not too much yet. And I'll say we were only up there a day or so after that hearing. And so it'll be interesting once we get back to D.C. to see if it has any sort of traction. I do know that there's some that are sincere in their faith, and I might take issue with how they've interpreted into public policy, but, you know, they claim the name of Christ and want to serve him. So it'll be interesting to see those conversations going forward. What really concerns me about these issues, I think, is when I think of pastors who don't speak to these sort of things, when it's clear in Scripture. And so we end up. I think Barna did a research. I haven't seen the latest numbers, but it was a few years ago, like, 25% of youth pastors had a biblical worldview, you know, and, you know, we've got to get to shaping worldviews in our churches and dealing with these issues so that we're. We're creating a society this shouldn't be a one off, you know, or an anomaly. People who claim the name of Christ should be able to, to speak to scripture when it comes to how these things address what all the issues we're trying to face.
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Steve Day
Last question. And I want to ask you about a specific policy because I know there's something you're working on right now that our audience is very, very concerned about, which is some kind of a digital currency, which is, it seems almost as right out of a Black Mirror episode or a Left behind book. All right, Social credit scores, the ability, hey, you know, we don't like what you posted, so we're just kind of shut you off electric cars, kind of the kill switches that Biden put in those cars, for example. Right. So you're working on this issue where, how legitimate is this? Is it a boogeyman? Is this something that we, we do have to expend some capital on that if we don't, they will install this. Or is it, or is it a trope? You're, you're dealing with the issue right now. How realistic is it?
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Michael Cloud
Oh, it's very realistic. And it became a sticking point when the crypto legislation came to Congress where there are a few of us holding out for the fact that there was a, an open door to central digital bank currency going forth and becoming law. You know, and so the President has stated that he's absolutely committed to making sure that this doesn't happen. And right now there's a provision in that, what's supposed to be a housing bill in the Senate that they're looking to send over, and this is the perverse way that DC does things. What they're saying is, oh, we're going to put, push the possible implementation back five years. And they'll come to us and say, look, maybe it's not everything you want, but we're putting it back five years. But when really what you're doing is sending the alarm to everybody that says in five years we'll implement this and in the meantime be researching, be developing. And it's almost like they went and said, how long will it take to develop this? Oh, it'll probably take five years to develop this. Well, we'll just say we won't start it for five years until these guys are getting a win. So, you know, this is something that the Federal Reserve has already been working on and developing, even as the President has issued an executive order saying that this should not be happening. But those branches kind of consider themselves outside of that executive order. So they've continued to work on it. So it's important that we get in that legislation of prohibition that says this cannot happen. And you're right. The way it would be used to be a surveillance tool, be able to track every. And we have to remember, like, it wasn't that long ago, less than two years ago, we had an administration that wanted to know if you had $600 in your bank account.
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Steve Day
Yeah.
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Michael Cloud
Wanted to know what you were doing. They were working with credit card companies to track certain purchases on certain different type of items so that the federal government would know what you were spending money on. You know, so this is not,
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Steve Day
you
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Michael Cloud
know, if you go back to revolutionary days, this is one of the things that we were concerned with where, you know, the British soldiers would go into the House and kind of take stock of what was in your house. Now we just do it digitally now. But this is a core issue. This is something. This is, you know, some legislation comes across our desk and it's like, well, I wanted to save this much and it only saves this much. So possibly, you know, we can, you know, it's not where we wanted it, but it's in the right direction so we can get there. This is one. And as I told the speaker, if this would be allowed to happen and our kids and our grandkids would have to deal with this, there's no amount of good on this side of the ledger that I could ever do in Congress to make the time I spent away from my family and my kids and everything worth it. It's that much of an evil, and so it needs to be stopped.
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Steve Day
Well said. Thank you, Congressman. It was a pleasure to get to know you and have you on the show. We'll definitely do it again. All right. Keep it up.
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Michael Cloud
God bless you.
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Steve Day
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Todd Erzin
Well, there's a. Down in Texas there's a lot of God country football types who, you know, they'll get all jingoistic about the slogan. But then when it comes time to like why are there all these mosques here and this, you know, 10 story statue to some pagan God, Just I don't know, freedom of religion and like you said, digital currency. I don't know, it's just the wave of the future. No, there's answers to all of this and you have to put in the work to find them. And like you said, going back to the very beginning, he said, and he wanted to be clear, I didn't do like some really long form preparation for this on the day of. I've done a long form life preparation called being an actual Christian. And also I'm not imploring you, he said like there, there is a calculus level of scholarship to be done on this. And he says that's not me. I'm just one on one guy. But I take it very seriously. That's the ball game right there. That's a man in full your. All of your go down to Texas or wherever, red state jingoism about God, country, family, football. It's not worth a hill of beans if you can't ultimately do the basic line of scrimmage fights. All right? Not some crazy pointy headed IQ two minute offense, just basic line of scrimmage stuff. You want your football analogies there. It is just, it's. These are the basics of the game and a lot of you aren't willing to do it.
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Aaron McIntyre
Yep, you gotta be nimble. You gotta be willing to confront, confront, confront when the opportunities arise and the necessity arises. Maybe I shouldn't use opportunity because increasingly it is a necessity to confront. You might not be able to convert the woman pastor in that clip. But at least you can give those with listening ears. You can give them, you can give them an alternative, the correct explanation. You can maybe save them. And I go back to feedback. Friday we received that note from, actually, it was theology. Thursday we received the note from the individual who was talking to a co worker. And the co worker just spewed borderline blasphemy about the character of God. And just one thing after the other, misdirection after misdirection. And the co worker and the guy who emailed said, hey, I had to walk away because it was borderline blasphemous and I didn't know how to handle it. You cannot be caught flat footed at all. You just cannot. You have to be willing to confront. I saw a neighbor of mine, didn't know he was my neighbor. He didn't know that I was his neighbor. But he was blaspheming the Holy Spirit in relation to something that you were saying at a campaign event for Adam Steve, our gubernatorial candidate in Iowa. And I just called him out for it. Didn't know, you know, didn't know you, you didn't know I was your neighbor. But here we are and we're going to throw down. You're not just going to be able to blaspheme into the ether and not have a response. We have to get more confrontational. More confrontational.
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Steve Day
Amen.
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Aaron McIntyre
And that was very confrontational. And you heard Michael Cloud there. He was a very nice guy, very soft spoken. But that was a, that was a smackdown that he provided.
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Steve Day
Yes, it was.
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Aaron McIntyre
And so that's just another indication that you can be extremely confrontational. But your tone, you know, your tone can be whatever you want it to be. You can have a quiet, soft spoken tone, but make no mistake, the confrontation needs to happen.
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Steve Day
Amen. Let me reset that since you brought up confrontation. Love is not a tone in one direction. And we have been told by the emasculators for the last few decades that love is a tone. No, it's not. I mean, you should, you should be judicious with your tone. You should be, you should, you should try to be wise with your tone. But it's the same Paul who says, use words of love seasoned with salt, who then also says, cut your whole penis off if you believe in circumcision so much. You know what? You're a son of the devil. Love is a motivation. It's not a tone. Love is a motivation. When you punish your children, it's out of Love. And when you reward them, it's out of love. Similarly, when God punishes you, when he lets you suffer the consequences for the due penalty of your actions, it's out of love. And when he sends his son to die for the ultimate penalty that you deserve for your actions, that's also out of love. Confrontation also isn't atone. It's a motivation. A motivation to what? To confront. And it can be in a certain tone. There are moments that God says, adam, what you doing? Then there are moments that he seethes with anger to Moses about these people. So which is it? The answer is yes. Confrontation isn't a tone any more than love is. All right? And so we're. Over the last few decades, we've undergone this. Mike Pence, Rick Warren, Joel Osteen, Tim Keller. That love is atone. No, it's not. However, don't listen to the. The. To the new guys rising that want to tell you that confrontation's atone. That unless you're just absolutely belligerent and using the most incendiary language possible, you're not. You're not doing anything effective. That's not true either. Can. Can using the most incendiary language available be effective? Can it be effective doing that?
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Todd Erzin
Sure.
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Steve Day
Sure. Can it also mean you're just a jerk face?
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Todd Erzin
It can.
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Steve Day
It can. How would we know what's your motivation? Michael's tone and how he typically communicates in that smackdown is. Is different than how we often communicate on our show. But that was every bit as vicious as anything we've ever attempted to do. The other side's worldview is what he did in its own way. Tone isn't. Don't. Don't make love an idol. Don't make tone an idol. Love is a motivation, not a tone. Confrontation is a motivation, not a tone. And. And. And I. And. And here's the thing we all have to understand. I mean, that one meme. We've talked about it before, guys, where the guy goes to Jesus and says, I can't handle this. And Jesus, like your. Your enemies are perpetual virginal retards in their mom's base. You see that? Have you seen that meme? Yes. Okay. What are we doing here? Right?
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Todd Erzin
Yeah.
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Steve Day
I can't. There is. There is no plan or formula or class or seminar or base of knowledge you can acquire to substitute for courage. Now, that doesn't mean you don't get courage from growing in knowledge of what you believe. That's why we focus so much on worldview here on this show. Right. I mean, yeah. That's one of the major reasons why. When the re. I mean, I'm. I'm. The reason why I'm so confident walking into these kinds of spaces is because of how much that the, you know, I've grown in my knowledge of my faith that I've taken. Romans 12. Do no longer be conformed to the thoughts and patterns of this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind. Right. How seriously I've taken that over the last 20 years since the Lord saved me. And how gracious he has been to help me grow in great knowledge because of how. Because my heart wanted to be so obedient in that era, in that area, by the way, in some other areas of my life where I don't. I don't feel the Lord's graciousness as much, you know, why? Is it because he's just not gracious in those areas? No, I'm not. I'm not obedient enough in those areas. That's why I'm still kind of holding on to the parts of me in those areas that I really enjoy and don't want to let go of. That's how it works for all of us. If you're wondering why the Lord is not gracious to you in a certain area, it's more than likely because you're not obedient in it. And when your desire is to be obedient in it, even if you fail, even if you're imperfect, when your desire is to be obedient in that era, that's really where you really see the Lord's graciousness often show up. And so, yes, grow more in knowledge so you can be more confident. But ultimately, you have to have the conference, the confidence for a confrontation. Otherwise, what was the point of all of that knowledge that you grew in? Right?
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Absolutely.
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Todd Erzin
We don't.
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Steve Day
We don't. Okay. But what we also know is it comes on the heels of no real accountability. As our friend Brianna Morello tweets out every morning when I first wake up, one of the first tweets in my feed every day is, today's date is blankety blank. And nobody from the Biden and Obama administrations has been arrested yet. Right. So no one's been held accountable. We're in a war. May or may not be prolonged. May or may not be dumb. I don't think it's dumb. Doesn't appear like we're prosecuting it stupidly. But we also don't. Can't sit here and confidently just wave the flag. We don't know the outcome of this yet. Right. As we just said. And so she's concerned about demoralizing these kinds of voters. Now, listen, this has been true of young voters. It looks different in every generation. Right? I mean, you and I are old enough to remember when the Ron Paul young millennials were going to make the GOP the party of gay marriage. Remember this? Okay. And now we have more Republicans against gay marriage than we have had since Obergefell's. The Obergefell ruling. So, you know, that whole kind of we're all going to become Ron Paul, audit the Fed and sodomize who you want party didn't quite work out. Right.
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Todd Erzin
Okay.
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Steve Day
And what things did you and I think were probably true at 25 and 26 that. And now we even. Even if we kind of think this might be true now we have kids. And so even if we do think the system is largely rigged against us and mostly a unibrow, we have kids. And so can we at least get the best part of the unibrow than what the other side's offering us? You see, you start making different distinctions as your life gets older. You see things with a different perspective. Right? So that's part and parcel of being this age and growing up. Fair. Okay. But I also don't think we can just instantly dismiss all of this as that either, because we have had unprecedented exposure to some of the evils in our culture and in our own government that our own elements of our own government have been involved in in this particular era. We're releasing JFK files. Now we're gonna release UFO files. And we. We just let 20 million people into the country, and everybody knows it. Right.
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Todd Erzin
Okay.
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Steve Day
I mean, we're more aware of this stuff than we ever have been before because of these devices right here in our hands. Right? Okay. So, yes, this is part of a younger generation kind of has to learn the way things really work in the world. That's part of it. But I also think we have more knowledge of how the things have, have really been working all this time than we ever have before. And there is more of a danger of this sticking and lasting as a result of that than there was before. Thoughts?
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Todd Erzin
Well, listen, in terms of the candidates right in front of you, listen, you, I, I understand and let, let's just take out of it a specific application. We don't know what issues she has that she's made paramount vis a vis the particular candidates she's voted for. Whether it be Trump Republicans at the federal level, I have no idea her level of local involvement and wherewithal that's a problem. A lot of people just, their attention is entirely at the federal level and they don't know what's going on anywhere else. But I, I, I think it is fair, young or old, to give up on the specific in the near term to, to wash your hands of it. But that, that's not something you're allowed, broadly speaking as a citizen. There's Steve's put it, and you learn
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Steve Day
these things when you get married and start having kids and your life's just not about you. These are some things you like.
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Todd Erzin
Yeah, well, but, and we need to do a better job like wow, I'm such a unique flower. I'm. My life must be so unique that it has nothing to do with every other person that's come before you. And we need to just be more sober minded as, you know, raising the next generation adults, you know, citizens. This is part of citizenship. We need to train one another whether we are young or old, that the ball game is being involved in a way that is not always edifying. See, we have a, we have a shirts and skins, you know, sports approach to a lot of things in how we do real life in government. And that's not helpful in any way, shape or form. I mean it's just that we don't like the daily grind doing the basic things we like the highlight reel, things like that. There's, there's all manner of things that you need to be doing as a citizen just for the long term to make it more likely that you have the candidates that you won't be able to complain about like that. And I'm taking your, your complaints at face value as much as I can, a degree of frustration that I, I do identify with at some level. But parent or not, you, there's a little the people that think that they can. First I'd ask you what do you, if you're that frustrated with this. What are you running away to? Because you must think that there's a place that you can go to where you can kind of like insulate yourself or just drug yourself or pretend it's not happening. See, I think your instinct to run away from it, realizing these things is exactly wrong. It's because now you're becoming more aware. You need to go deeper. Because honestly, if you're. If you're frustrated, if you think things are simultaneously so bad enough that you can run away to the place and just where it doesn't impact you anymore, that math is never gonna check out. You are doing what almost everybody does who realizes, you know what? I'm out of shape. I gotta get fit. I gotta go in there. And you have all those good intentions, whether it's New Year's or you had a doctor's appointment that didn't go well. And you get in there and you're kind of on a high for a while. And then you're like, man, I kind of pulled a hammy there in week two or something like that. I don't know, man. This kind. And none of these people here, I don't know, they're not motivating me. I'm starting to miss all the old habits that I had. Well, are you in or you're out? So listen, sister, I appreciate it, I really do. But now the answer is not to run away. It's actually to go deeper, to become more resolute. You are becoming a citizen, and this is part of it. And you go back to the founding of this country, and you will find the frustrations of the founding fathers that they had. Giving power over to the people because the rights come from God, and then also realizing on a daily basis, oh, the masses are asses. So, yeah, this is the game. Do you want freedom or don't you? Well, then fight for it.
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Steve Day
Aaron, what do you think? You're the younger guy here, so there are.
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Aaron McIntyre
So Todd is right to hone in on the fundamental problems of our. Of our population. The fundamental issue of the population. And I'll get into that a little bit. I think the good news, though, they are buttons you can push. I think leaning into Maha would be incredibly effective. We had polling from, I think it was signal a few weeks ago, saying that basically, hey, one to one, if a Republican running on Maha is up against a Democrat not running on Maha, the Republican fares much better in our polling. So there are buttons that you can push. But ultimately, from a larger view, the fundamentals are still the same. My daughter Abby is going to be two years old next month. She's a tiny little thing and she's gotten into this new habit where if she is messing with something, getting into something that she shouldn't be, and I call her out on that, or Bella calls her out on that, she'll take what's in her hand, throw it as hard as she possibly can, and she can throw pretty well for being so small, and then run the exact opposite direction. And it's really smart because we're concerned about picking up the thing that she threw, which maybe we should probably be having her pick that up.
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Steve Day
Distraction tactic.
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Aaron McIntyre
Distraction, run away. That's kind of what the voter does. At the first sign of disappointment, at the first sign of being told, no, you're not getting what you wanted, throw whatever. Throw whatever device that means engagement in the process. Throw that away and run hard the opposite direction. Now does that work for Abby? No, it doesn't. We still get her and still make sure that she understands she wasn't supposed to be doing that. It's not going to work for us. And that's the fundamental problem. And you get back now to human nature. Yes, some of this is human nature, but it is aided and abetted and really exacerbated by the level still in this country in the year 2026, the level of comfort and largesse that we enjoy. That internal instinct, the reason that God's people in the Old Testament are called, are likened or humans in general are likened to sheep. That's the problem. But it's exacerbated by comfort, wealth and largess. So we have fundamental issues that are just not going to go away. And I think these, these accounts are pretty typical amongst the populace that are reachable for right wing conservative, whatever you want to call it, politics, unfortunately.
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Steve Day
I love the fact that you offered a specific remedy to Todd's overall diagnosis. So you offered a medicine. Okay, because, and I know, and I know you know this. I just want to make sure that we communicate this to the audience. I know you know this, Todd, but the system bears some responsibility to this young lady and these bro dudes that feel like what they voted for is not what they're getting, the system owes them that. I mean, listen, listen, I, I absolutely believe there is some level of supernatural anointing on Trump in this era. But let's also be honest. Nobody ran on 350 for a gallon of gasoline and war with Iran and no one's getting arrested for Epstein. Did anybody run on that?
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Todd Erzin
No.
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Steve Day
No one ran on that.
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Todd Erzin
The opposite.
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Steve Day
Yeah, Ran on the opposite of that. Okay? So we can't sit here if we want to win these people back over. We can't just look them in the eye and gaslight them and say, hey, get with it, kid. Yeah, voting Republican sucks. This is what we all do. 12 Years a Slave. How you like them apples? That's not how you win over 26 year olds. They want to think, they want to be aspirational. All right, so that's not. No one ran on some of the things that we're doing right now. No one ran on this stuff. And we should just acknowledge that.
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Todd Erzin
Now.
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Steve Day
Those of us have been around here a while know, you know, my wife and I got married. We didn't think either, heading into year 25, we'd be looking at getting divorced. That wasn't what we were thinking. But that's what, that's life. And we had to deal with it and not succumb to it. And now we have a better marriage than we've ever had before. Those are things you can't know at 26. But the system owes that young lady and those bro dudes who we're missing out on right now owes them something to be inspired by. And I think your specific remedy of the maha stuff is a great idea. That's a, that, that's not a, it's not a, it's not an antidote, it's not a panacea. But yeah, that, that is something that I think would, would go a long way in terms of re. Energizing and remobilizing people again, for sure. I mean, do you guys sense that if this thing is a great military victory in Iran that we're going to have like national parades over this?
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Todd Erzin
No, no, no.
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Steve Day
I don't either. I, I think most people are just going to be like, all right, all right, so what's this mean for me then? So now, so now we've, we've, we've shut off the spigot to Venezuela and Iran. So will gas now be under $2 a gallon? You see what I'm trying to say, right?
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Todd Erzin
Yeah.
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Steve Day
And I, and I, and I think you have to inspire people. This is my big idea. Maybe I'm going to leave you with today. You have to inspire people by what actually inspires them. Okay. All right. Final thoughts on the show today, gentlemen. What do you think?
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Todd Erzin
Well, that, that's the trick. We live in a nation where we are endowed by our creator with certain inalienable rights. And those rights are founded by God but also that's not what the people even the people who claim to believe in that they aren't really inspired by. They are inspired by the things that Aaron alluded to the comfort. So yeah they should have a desire to have a return on investment but but they also have to realize they're the fundamental player in the game.
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Aaron McIntyre
The reason why we have results like what we just talked about is that because it's because the median citizen of this country doesn't have the understanding and willingness to confront like Michael Cloud and therefore what we're going to face are subversives like James Tallarico who take advantage of that void.
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Steve Day
Amen. Go hard. Romans 8:28. With its two juicy beef patties and
- [98:58]
Aaron McIntyre
three slices of melted cheese topped with tangy Big Arch sauce.
- [99:01]
Michael Cloud
The Big Arch is what happens when
- [99:03]
Steve Day
you start making a McDonald's burger and never stop. The Big Arch the most McDonald's McDonald's
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Aaron McIntyre
burger yet for a limited time.