CONFUSED? Here's Why the Iran War Timeline Is All Over the Place | Guest: Jeremiah Johnston | 3/10/26

Summary

Steve Deace Show — Podcast Summary
Episode: CONFUSED? Here's Why the Iran War Timeline Is All Over the Place
Air Date: March 10, 2026
Host: Steve Dace (with Todd Erzin & Aaron McIntyre)
Guest: Dr. Jeremiah Johnston

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Overview

In this episode, Steve Dace and his co-hosts dissect the chaotic messaging and shifting timelines surrounding the ongoing Iran war, offering conservative analysis with their signature “snarky twist.” The show highlights the complexities of war communications, the political calculations behind them, and the domestic pressures shaping U.S. foreign policy. In the second half, Dr. Jeremiah Johnston joins to present dramatic archaeological and historical evidence for Jesus’ existence and resurrection, coinciding with the release of his new book, The Jesus Discoveries.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Operation Epic Fury and the "Fog of War"

• Conflicting Messages: The Trump administration’s messaging oscillates between “the war is nearly won” and “this is just the beginning.”
  • [07:07] Aaron McIntyre notes: “The messaging on the timeline on the war with Iran is all over the place from President Trump, likely strategically…”
  • [07:28] Clip: President Trump and Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth offer contradictory views on the campaign timeline.
• Why the Mixed Signals?
  • [19:04] Steve Dace explains: It’s classic “Art of the Deal” — Trump influences markets to prevent panic while simultaneously projecting ongoing strength to adversaries.
  • [22:29] Aaron: “This is very much strategic. … You cannot telegraph on any level what your end game actually is.”
• Metric-Based Realities:
  • [13:44, 16:55]: Missile launches from Iran are down — a tangible measure of progress, but uncertainty remains about their remaining capabilities.
  • [17:48] Dace: “Doesn’t mean they don’t have some level of devastating, massive … weaponry they’re just holding back.”
• Media Manipulation & Narrative Wars:
  • [14:03] Dace highlights both pro-Iran and pro-war American interests using AI images and sensational coverage to drive narratives.

2. Political Calculations and America First

• Strategic Interests with Israel:
  • [25:40] Dace discusses why Trump framed the war’s necessity partly in terms of preventing Israel’s annihilation: “What would be America first about allowing Israel to get obliterated …?”
  • [26:43] Dace: “Let’s just say we woke up, decided we weren’t going to do anything … A nuclear device from Iran goes off in Tel Aviv. How does that benefit America’s standing on any level whatsoever?”
• Internal Divides:
  • [09:45] Lindsey Graham’s media appearances are critiqued as being needlessly provocative, not helpful for public perception.
• Market Management:
  • [21:29] Dace: “He [Trump] is simultaneously trying to manipulate the markets … and also sending a clear message to our enemies.”

3. Media Montage and Cultural Commentary

• Homegrown Threats & Irony:
  • [10:35] Aaron covers recent terror threats and the oddity of media spin.
  • [11:27] Coverage of political figures using faith as rhetorical cover, while displaying conflicting symbolism (the “rainbow jihad flag” on a cross).
  • [12:03] Dace: “You cannot make that stuff up. Unintentional self-parody is always the best.”

4. Elevating Adult Conversation (C-SPAN Appearance Recap)

• Serious, Adult Analysis:

  • [53:41] Dace describes the importance of offering principled, nuanced, and consistent analysis — not just soundbites for clicks.
  • [56:35] C-SPAN selects a segment on libertarian skepticism (Thomas Massie, war powers) as their promo clip — underscoring the show’s willingness to discuss coalition debates.

  Notable Quote:

  “You’re not doing political spin, you’re doing political analysis, but you’re not trying to gain any kind of fake high ground or be overly pessimistic, which many people are perpetually doing on the right right now. You gave a very balanced analysis.” — Todd Erzin [58:33]

5. What Does ‘Winning’ Mean?

• [61:26] Dace: “The administration has defined winning as degrading Iran’s military capabilities… But what exactly does that mean?”
• [63:48] He breaks down how the President is leveraging Gulf Arab states’ alignment against Iran for broader strategic legitimacy.

6. Domestic Politics & Immigration

• Potential Weak Link:
  • [74:52] Dace: “If it turns out we have a whole bunch of sleeper cells here … there’s way more danger in what happens on the domestic front … than what you’re seeing from a handful of largely anti-Israel podcasters online.”
  • [75:15] Todd: “That right there is the soul of everything you said before … because that acknowledges the honesty of where people are at right now.”

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments (with timestamps)

• On Trump’s messaging:
  “That is Donald Trump ‘Art of the Deal’ incarnate… attempting to manipulate the markets in his favor and, therefore, in our favor.”
  — Steve Dace [19:04]

• On Israel and America’s interests:
  “What would be America first about allowing Israel to get obliterated if we just stood by and said, you know what, that's your problem, not ours?”
  — Steve Dace [26:01]

• On media narrative manipulation:
  “Do you know how many Muslim apologists and Tucker Carlson guests, but I repeat myself, have been caught recently using AI images claiming that like, Tel Aviv’s been destroyed…”
  — Steve Dace [14:03]

• On coalition government:
  “If you’re willing to at least listen to your contrarians, doesn’t mean you have to do what they say, but you should at least be willing to listen to them.”
  — Steve Dace [55:53]

• Summary of the show’s unique approach:
  “Principled conservatism with a snarky twist. I’m a big faith guy… people are wondering, hey, what do some of those timeless truths and old traditions have to say about the era in which we live?”
  — Steve Dace [65:44]

• On adult discourse in politics:
  “If C-SPAN isn’t the format to have a serious conversation, then we just don’t have one anymore.”
  — Steve Dace [96:12]

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Dr. Jeremiah Johnston: “The Jesus Discoveries” (31:56—46:32)

Presentation of Historical and Archaeological Evidence for Jesus (w/ visuals)

Artifacts Featured:

1. Codex Vaticanus (330 A.D.)

   • Oldest, most priceless complete Bible manuscript.
   • “Just got it in the mail yesterday … This Bible was produced in 330 A.D.” [32:15]

2. Authentic Roman Crucifixion Nail

   • “This is not a replica, Steve. I’m holding in my hand an actual crucifixion nail … It’s bent because the Romans loved to inflict as much torture as possible.” [33:34]

3. The Earliest Archaeological Reference to Jesus – “Magician’s Cup” (ca. 50 A.D.)

   • “Through Christ the enchanter” inscribed in Greek.
   • “People realized, hey, if I insert this name Jesus, powerful things happen.” [36:15]

4. The Alexamenos Graffito

   • Oldest image of the crucifixion, mocking a Christian soldier worshipping Christ depicted with a donkey’s head.
   • “This is the earliest image we have of any crucifixion. … It evidences Jesus’s crucifixion.” [37:46]

5. Shroud of Turin Analysis

   • Corroborates wounds and resurrection accounts; statistically improbable as anyone but Jesus.
   • Mathematical probability of 1 in 200 billion it’s “anyone other than Jesus of Nazareth.” [39:27]
   • Detailed forensic analysis of wound patterns, blood flow — “The evidence is overwhelming.” [41:26-43:57]

6. 3D reconstruction of Jesus’ face from the Shroud

   • “Now Steve, I also have other artifacts … There are 200 points that match the face on the coin [7th century] from the six hundreds with this face that you’re looking at right now. Isn’t that amazing?” [43:57]

• Summation:
  “The burden of proof is on the skeptic because the … scales of evidence so lean in our favor.”
  — Dr. Jeremiah Johnston [45:18]

• Steve Dace ties it together:
  “History screams like right in your face. Do you not see?” [47:28]

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C-SPAN Debrief (52:51—95:54)

• Steve’s Approach:
  Dace answers questions with nonpartisan, “grown-up” analysis, rather than canned talking points.
  [53:41] Notably, C-SPAN uses his response on the GOP’s libertarian wing and war for promotion.
• Audience Callers:
  Callers highlight cost-of-living, healthcare, and skepticism about U.S. interventionism; Dace responds by grounding each answer in historical and political reality.
• Key Insight:
  Domestic security/inflation weighs more heavily in voters’ minds than Middle East outcomes, even in “America First” coalition.
• Notable exchanges:
  • Dace: “This Trump told me who he was at the beginning. I'm gonna hold him to that. And if we're gonna go over to Iran and forget about this stuff, it's never gonna fly.” [75:15]

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Timestamps for Important Segments

| Segment | Timestamps | |------------------------------------- |--------------| | Montage / Iran Messaging | 07:07–12:03 | | Trump Strategy & Market Manipulation | 19:04–24:42 | | America-Israel Strategic Discussion | 25:40–30:11 | | Dr. Jeremiah Johnston Interview | 31:56–46:38 | | Callers & C-SPAN Analysis | 52:51–95:54 |

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Final Notable Quotes

• “Jesus is not legend, he is Lord. I think that's an excellent summation of what this entire conversation has been about.”
  — Steve Dace [46:18]

• “We have an incarnate faith. It is tactile… a nice assist to Catholics. I appreciate it there from Jeremiah… We're in this together.”
  — Todd Erzin [46:49]

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Summary in a Nutshell

The March 10, 2026 episode of the Steve Deace Show tackled the “messy” Iran war messaging, pulling back the curtain on political doublespeak and strategic market manipulation. Dace and his team called for sober, grown-up analysis in an era hungry for honest dialogue. The conversation then pivoted to dramatic, hands-on evidence for the Christian faith with the help of Dr. Jeremiah Johnston. The show concluded with a real-time dissection of Dace’s C-SPAN appearance, showing the same principled, nuanced perspective offered to a national audience — reinforcing the show’s devotion to “truth over narrative.”

Transcript

[Aaron McIntyre]

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[Steve Dace]

And greetings. Happy Tuesday. Welcome to the Steve Day show here live and on demand on Blaze TV, radio and podcast alongside Todd Erzin and Aaron McIntyre. I am Steve Dase. We're brought to you by the Last Stand conference coming up June 5th and 6th in Englewood, Colorado just outside of Denver for the Last Stand Festival. For two days, we're gathering Americans to fight for and once again believe in the foundational values that made our nation exceptional. I'll be there alongside Ali, Beth Stuckey, Frank Turek, seth Gruber, Rob McCoy and others who aren't afraid to speak the truth in a time of moral confusion. You'll also get to see the world premiere of Seth Gruber's next film, also titled the Last Stand. So if you're tired of watching the culture drift, if you're tired of manage, decline and people on the right with no plan to win, let alone the will to do so, this is your event. Go to the Last Stand.com the Last Stand.com. go there. Use the promo code Steve for. For 15% off your ticket right now. Promo code Steve for 15% off your ticket at the Last Stand.com June 5th through the 6th in Colorado. The Last Stand.com promo code Steve. How important do I think this event is? Let me explain. I made a vow almost a decade ago now after what I endured on the Ted Cruz debate team at the University of Colorado Debate. Actually, I think it's Colorado University there. And after that being the third and what I vowed would be the final time I will ever brave Denver Airport. Tsa. How many times you guys heard me complain about this over the years?

[Todd Erzin]

Enough.

[Steve Dace]

Enough. I am. I am going to do it. I'm going to break that vow because that's how important I believe. And I'm not. I'm. Dude, this is not even tongue in cheek. Ask these guys who travel with me how much to get everything done that I have to do and everything I'm involved in. How much maintaining, routines and schedule matter to me.

[Todd Erzin]

Enough.

[Steve Dace]

Enough. Like, if we have a guest and I don't know, like 20 minutes before the show starts, if they're going to be on, what do I, what do I tell you to do?

[Todd Erzin]

Abort abortion?

[Steve Dace]

I mean, if we have to stay on schedule, right, to do all the stuff I do, the schedule must be maintained. Even on the road, the schedule must be maintained. And I just don't have time. I mean, the Denver TSA literally has a line that says self harm line. When you've just given up all hope and you know you're never going to leave, you just go over there and just begin cutting in the corner. Okay? And I just vowed I'm never doing this again, ever. And so I've, I have turned down, I can't tell you, several opportunities to go back to that community. Nope, nope, nope, nope, nope, nope, nope, nope. Not doing it. But I think this conference and its message and this moment for our country are important enough that I am going to brave the Denver TSA to try to get home that weekend. And none of this was even mildly tongue in cheek. I have, I have nightmares about the Denver TSA. All right, so promo code Steve for 15 off your ticket. If I can do it, you can. Device can change. You can change. The great prophet Rocky Balboa once said. TheLastAnd.com promo code Steve. All right, coming up on today's show, we're going to do a full hour of fake news or not next hour with yours truly. I know because it was C SPAN and Sunday morning, there weren't a lot of you that saw me appear there on Sunday morning. Which, yes, before you ask, because several of you did, which I am not offended by at all. It's a good ask. The, the reason I said yes to this is I was able to do it before church started. So I was able to get out the door and go right to church after this got concluded. All right, so Sunday morning I had a chance to appear on Washington Journal, Sunday edition on C span, taking calls from all over the country on various issues. And we're constantly, you know, putting the microscope, aren't we, on other people and how they use their platform and, and their abilities to message. Right.

[Todd Erzin]

And I enjoy it.

[Steve Dace]

What's that?

[Todd Erzin]

And I enjoy it.

[Steve Dace]

I know you enjoy that. Okay. I enjoy it, too, when it's other people. All right? But now I think it's only fair that the audience every now and then when I, when I get a chance to do this for like more than seven minutes on a panel, which I don't get asked to do very often anymore. Sure. That's not a coincidence. But but or maybe we're just not that good at this. Anyway, that's why we're going to put me on Fake news or next Fake news or not next hour, we're going to give you guys a chance to see my appearance on C span. Todd and Aaron are going to take copious notes and give this thing a thorough like review. Coming up next hour, how did I do representing our worldview and furthermore, how did the questions and callers do and what do the questions and callers keep in mind? This is supposed to be kind of the, you know, the higher brow conversation in America, right? C SPAN's Washington Journal. I even wore a shirt and a collared shirt and a tie. How often do I do that? Not very often. I don't wear ties to church. I took it off before I went to church, in fact. Okay. So this is supposed to be the higher end level of discourse for what's left of American discourse. Right? Is that's the rumor. So we'll see how that went.

[Todd Erzin]

Wait till the end.

[Steve Dace]

All right.

[Todd Erzin]

So wait till the end.

[Steve Dace]

So there's fake news or not for both me and also for those asking the questions coming up on the next hour of the show. At the bottom of this hour, one of my best buddies, Dr. Jeremiah Johnston from Prestonwood Baptist in the C.S. lewis Society, Christian Thinkers Society, he's going to join us. Last time he was with us is when he went over to Davos during the World Economic Forum to present evidence for the gospel. Well, he's got a brand new book. It is out today called The Jesus discoveries, 10 historic finds that bring us face to face with Jesus as an evidence for the resurrection and Easter in history. And we're going to go over some of those evidences with him in his new book coming up here at the bottom of the hour. But before we do, let's get to it with Aaron's rundown of what happened while we were away.

[Aaron McIntyre]

What happened while we were away, brought to you by the war will be very short. It's already won and will be over very soon. The messaging on the timeline on the war with Iran is all over the place from President Trump, likely strategically as yesterday he told CBS he thinks the war is pretty much won, has said recently the war will go on as long as needed and use troops if needed. And yesterday also said this, you've said

[Pedro Echevera]

the war is, quote, very complete. But your defense secretary says this is just the beginning. So which is it? And how long should Americans be?

[Pete Hegseth]

Well, I think you could say both. We took a little excursion because we felt we had to do that to get rid of some evil. And I think you'll see it's going to be a short term excursion. How good is our military? Right.

[Aaron McIntyre]

Secretary of War Pete Hegseth provided an operational update this morning. As President Trump declared yesterday, we're crushing the enemy in an overwhelming display of technical skill and military force. We will not relent until the enemy is totally and decisively defeated. But we do so. We do so on our timeline and at our choosing. For example, today will be yet again our most intense day of strikes inside Iran. The most fighters, the most bombers, the most strikes. Intelligence more refined and better than ever. So that's on one hand. On the other hand, the last 24 hours have seen Iran fire the lowest number of missiles they've been capable of of firing yet. Back to Trump, who laid out in more detail why there was so much urgency hitting Iran this time around.

[Pete Hegseth]

If we didn't knock out Midnight Hammer, if we didn't knock out their Iranian potential, if we didn't do that with Midnight Hammer, they would have had a nuclear weapon. They would have used it long before now, and at a minimum, Israel would have been annihilated. Even after we obliterated their key nuclear sites in Operation Midnight Hammer, they never negotiated into good faith. They still continued to say, we want to build nuclear, we want enrichment at levels that were unacceptable. And they even turned down an offer for unlimited free nuclear fuel forever for civilian purposes. We had people offering them free nuclear fuel. They weren't interested in that because they wanted to build a nuclear weapon.

[Aaron McIntyre]

Oil prices have continued to drop precipitously by some markers. Yesterday saw the largest drop in WTI crude in history, going from $116 a barrel to around $90 with more drops continuing this morning. Lindsey Graham update. Who keeps tossing up heat check after heat check?

[Lindsey Graham]

I'm calling on President Trump today. Join Israel to attack Hezbollah, avenge the Marines. You just wait to see what comes in the next two weeks.

[Todd Erzin]

The next two weeks, meaning what?

[Lindsey Graham]

We're going to blow the hell out of these people. Here's what I want to say to Saudi Arabia tonight. I'm willing to do a mutual defense agreement with your country to give you protection in perpetuity under the agreement I've been pushing and I hope we can continue to talk about. If you're attacked by Iran, we would go to war for you. I'm in Miami. You see this hat? Free Cuba. Stay tuned. The liberation of Cuba is upon us. It's just a matter of time now. You see this hat? Make Iran great. President Trump said the only way to make Iran great is is for the people to take over. We're marching through the world. We're cleaning out the bad guys.

[Aaron McIntyre]

He is on a bender. We're now learning the two wannabe teenage Jihadi terrorists who attempted but were unsuccessful at carrying out a terror attack in New York City over the weekend. Both from Bucks County, Pennsylvania, both their sets of parents immigrated legally from Afghanistan and turkey respectively. Ibrahim Kayoumi's parents, that's the 19 year old suspect lived in a home valued at over $2 million. Check out how this story was characterized on CNN. Quote Two Pennsylvania teenagers crossed into New York City Saturday morning for what could have been a normal day, enjoying the city during abnormally warm weather. But less than an hour later, their lives were drastically changed as the pair would be arrested for throwing homemade bombs during an anti Muslim protest outside of Zoran Mamdani's home. Here's what we know so far. Those teenagers are being investigated on terrorism charges. And finally, this might be my favorite James Talarico clip yet.

[Steve Dace]

So I thought we'd talk about two things we're not supposed to talk about. Impolite company, religion and politics. It's been said before that when fascism comes to America, it'll be wrapped in the flag and carrying the cross.

[Aaron McIntyre]

For those of you listening, Talarico made those comments in a building pretending to to be a church saying that fascism will come to America in a cross draped with flags. Standing behind him in that so called church was a cross draped in rainbow jihad flags. And that's what happened while we were away.

[Steve Dace]

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[Todd Erzin]

Sure.

[Steve Dace]

But here's the thing. And maybe some of you have heard the phrase the, the, the veritable fog of war, right? And, and we're in the midst of an internal spiritual war here in, in, in our country and then even on our side right now. And so you can't always trust,

[Todd Erzin]

you

[Steve Dace]

can't often trust the information you're getting, even from a lot of people on, on, on many sides, because a lot of it is the reinforcement of a narrative. Do you know how many Muslim apologists and Tucker Carlson guests, but I repeat myself, have been caught recently using AI images claiming that like, Tel Aviv's been destroyed. Have you guys seen all these online? Okay, and these things? And none of this, of course, is true. All right. On the other hand, we've got Lindsey Graham out there. And. Two pieces of advice for my Israel and Jewish friends. Number one, never, ever have Bibi Netanyahu counter signal Tucker Carlson or an American political commentator ever again. Don't ever do that ever again. You're just feeding right into the narrative. He should not, he should not be inserting himself at that level into our domestic politics whatsoever. Don't do that. Number two, do not have Lindsey Graham and his fetishizing of war. And really just men in uniform in general do not have Lindsey Graham and his fevered, erotic nocturnal dreams as the messaging all over national media for this. Holy cow, is that brutal?

[Todd Erzin]

Oh, and then let Aaron McIntyre go to work after Lindsey shows the hat collection. Aaron proceeds to show the democracy you were bringing, homegrown terrorists and the Talarico gospel. Cutting myself. I've only just begun, Steve. Only just begun.

[Steve Dace]

The world is not as simple. Never has been and it never will be. As Bibi Netanyahu and Israel, if it just went away, our enemies would as well. Nor is it as simple as Lindsey Graham. We'll, we'll die for Saudi Arabia. No, we won't. No, no, we won't. We won't do that and so forth. For those of us who still care about truth, it's a dwindling number, but we're going to try to corner the market on you. We're not saying that this is a growth market. We're just saying we're going to try to corner the market on that that exists as it is. That's all.

[Todd Erzin]

What was it last week? You said you always wanted to be called crafty. If you pull this off, you'll be crafty.

[Steve Dace]

I mean, there's some things that you, that we could look at from a messaging standpoint and need to consider because there are. We just can't. We would objectively know if sadly more coffins with American flags were coming home. That would be a metric, right?

[Todd Erzin]

For sure.

[Steve Dace]

That would be a bad metric. The fact that there are a dwindling number of Iranian missiles being launched as this goes on. That is to some degree a, a good metric. Right. We also don't know how many of these are maybe being stored for should there, you know, in anticipation of, you know, escalated hostilities, you know, the Iranian regime's version of a battle of the bulge. One last offensive and throw everything out. Right. So I'm not. There's a reason why the US Domestic airlines aren't instantly rebooking flights to Tel Aviv, even though we're down to dozens of missiles or lesser a day. We, it, it's clearly if Iran had a massive, you know, stockload of, of missiles left still, they would just be still scatter shotting them all over the Middle east as they already were. Right? Okay.

[Todd Erzin]

As likely as anything.

[Steve Dace]

But that doesn't mean though, they don't have still some level of devastating, massive maybe you know, a level of weaponry they're just holding back in order for their own self preservation. We don't know that. Right, Right. But we do know that they're firing fewer missiles than they were before. And one of the, one of the best ways other than having unprotected sex with Lindsey Graham via the Grinder app, one of the best ways to shorten your lifespan is to be a member of the Iranian high command. That we do know. Right. Stop me, Mr. Ombudsman of the show, if I'm, I want to make sure. We're going down the narrow road here of what we do and what we don't know.

[Aaron McIntyre]

Right.

[Todd Erzin]

You asked me to confirm something pretty darn dark right there, but I'll play along. Yes,

[Steve Dace]

fair. Okay. So then without a lot of those objective markers, we're often left at the messaging down here, downstream here in Americana, we're often left with what is, what is and what more importantly at times isn't being messaged to give us an idea of what's really going on with epic fury. Is that fair?

[Todd Erzin]

Yeah.

[Steve Dace]

So a couple of things I want to point out from Aaron's montage along those lines. What you see there, that off balanced messaging from Trump, that is Donald Trump art of the deal incarnate right there. Okay. What you simultaneously saw Donald Trump do in the final out two hours of, of, of the business clock yesterday, my opinion. Now this is my opinion. You guys tell me if you agree or disagree. I think what you simultaneously saw him try to do was influence the markets to relax, particularly the oil markets to relax. Notice he gave out, he announced there was going to be a news conference, then he gave an interview to CBS News saying that, you know, it's pretty much over. We've pretty much accomplished many of our objectives. Right. And what, what did the markets immediately begin to do when he made that statement? Positively respond across the board. Right, sure. Okay. Markets close, Trump gives, has his press conference, says, well, we're going to keep doing this as long as it takes to get the mission done. I, I, I, I don't think that the President's bipolar. I think this is classic Trumpian off balance art of the deal. I think at one, I think he is simultaneously trying to manipulate the markets from not going too cuckoo for Cocoa Puffs with all of this going on. Because we all know markets, we, they love uncertainty. They love stuff like that, right? They, they, they crave it. Right? They do not. They do not. So on one hand, he is attempting to manipulate them in his favor, in our favor, therefore, because he's our president. But then on the other hand, he is also sending a very clear message to our enemies. This will be done when it's done and we will tell you when it is done. So he is trying to balance two interests, the projected strength of the United States, also a level of chaos in the markets. We were already behind the gun, we were already under the gun with this economy for this midterm election cycle anyway. Right. So at this point we are trying to do some triage here to make it so the hole is so big we couldn't possibly dig out of this thing over the next six months. And I think that's him trying to accomplish both of those things simultaneously. Gentlemen, your thoughts on that?

[Todd Erzin]

Yeah, and. Well, when Trump, as I've said many, many times before, is the weather, I'm, I'm comfortable by now. I have a callus on how he goes about doing this. I mean, I understand the very practical reasons why the timing as you laid out, the close of markets kind of timing, but also, even if it didn't have anything to do with that, this is the kind of thing that Trump does anyways. And as it applies right now to this particular scenario, it's doing more good than it is harm, which is a place that he's going to go more often than not when domestically vis a vis save, act and other things. Maybe not having as much luck with that rhetorical ball game.

[Steve Dace]

Aaron, what do you think?

[Aaron McIntyre]

So I think I said this in the montage and it's very much true. I believe as I turn my in studio monitor down, this is very much strategic. I think that's very much obvious. The reason why you have multiple people saying multiple things. You can just trace this. Every single day, there are multiple messages that are being leaked, whether intentionally or unintentionally, if you're going to have the maximum success, whether that's just crippling Iran's regime, crippling their industrial output, maybe even regime change. You cannot telegraph on any level what your end game actually is.

[Steve Dace]

Right.

[Aaron McIntyre]

You can't do that.

[Dan]

Right.

[Aaron McIntyre]

And you can trace every single day of this campaign in Iran. You can see different messages being mixed, being unmixed, getting back on message, off of message, back on message. Again, I think that's, I'm not, again, I'm not trying to say 4D chess. This is just, I think the operation that we're seeing here is that you do not want to telegraph to Tehran what your end game is when your timeline ends. That's why you saw leaks last week. Hey, could be out to September. I think they're just trying to keep them off kilter.

[Steve Dace]

I also think that some of the leaks you're seeing are for his own domestic political benefit within his own coalition. Stuff like, well, there's people, the leaks today. There are people telling the president, find an off ramp, all right? Find figure out what your off ramp is going to be and don't take on, you know, any more water where this is concerned. Is it possible that those are treacherous leaks to try to pressure the president from the outside in, sure. Is it also possible those are placed leaks to kind of send a wink and a nod to some of your more America only America Firsters out there? Hey, your voice is still being heard in the White House. Do you still have some representation here? You see what I'm saying? I mean, it's, of course either one is true. Would we know which one it is? We would not. No, we would not.

[Todd Erzin]

But he gets to, to your point about in foreign policy, he gets to be a CEO in a way that he just can't. And it's frustrating, I think that part of that is going on here. And so he's trying to gain as much leverage as possible in terms of all the optics of control. And maybe they parlay into the domestic realm.

[Steve Dace]

I want to zero in on one comment the President made there in terms of his rationale for why he did this, because I fear that this one's going to be misconstrued and it, and even though it may not sound like it, if you stop and take a look from a broader perspective, you'll see why. What he said was America first. The prep, one of the rationales for why he did this, the President said, is that, quote, israel would have been obliterated, end quote. That was in your montage, Aaron, that you cited. And again, this could be seized on from the Tucker Carlson, Ian Carroll, Marty Maid crowd, okay, out there, that this is the tail wagging the dog, that Trump is weak and that Israel is really controlling the foreign policy of the United States of America. Now, can I sit here and say certainly that that is not the case? I, I cannot, I, I don't know. I don't know. But here's what I also know,

[Aaron McIntyre]

and

[Steve Dace]

I do know, whether you like it or not, in the minds of many of much of this world, to some degree, are Israel and America not intertwined from a perception standpoint as close allies and strategic partners?

[Todd Erzin]

Yeah.

[Steve Dace]

Okay. What would be America first about allowing Israel to get obliterated if we just stood by and said, you know what, that's your problem, not ours. We've got our own issues here at home. And tell me how that, what signal, what signal does that send to Beijing? What signal does that send to Moscow? What signal does that send to any of our other allies around the world? Okay. In terms of where they stand? Do you see what I'm trying to say? It, it, listen, I, I don't know. You know, I, I, I, I highly doubt Donald Trump is being led around by the nose. He's the schmuck here. I hardly. I highly doubt that. But I don't know that for sure, do we? Do we know that for sure?

[Todd Erzin]

No.

[Steve Dace]

No. Here's what we do know for sure. Let's just say we woke up, we decided we weren't going to do anything. That's your problem. We've got enough of our problems. We woke up the next day and a nuclear device from Iran goes off in Tel Aviv. How does that benefit America's. America's standing on any level whatsoever?

[Todd Erzin]

I fear the emails that you're going to get answering that.

[Steve Dace]

Well, they're all. That's because I'm. Of course they're all going to have an anti Semitic presence premise. You know why? Because it's the only premise you have to my question. To oppose it. Because if you looked at it from anything other than your particular hatred of Jewish people and their country, the. The answer to this one's pretty obvious. Right? Like, let's just make this closer to home. Right. Pretty obvious. You and I are close allies and have a strategic alliance. Doesn't mean we agree on everything and leave poor Josh Pate the hell alone. Okay, all right. We don't agree on everything. You're Catholic, for example. I'm not. Right. But we're clearly strategic partners. Our interest align more times than not.

[Todd Erzin]

Is he writing letters now?

[Steve Dace]

No, I'm just feeling sorry for the poor guy and I like his podcast. All right. But. But this is a good example because we are clearly allies, close allies. We are clearly strategic partners, but our interests aren't completely in 100%, irrevocably aligned. Right, Right. We have differences of opinion.

[Todd Erzin]

Right? Yes.

[Steve Dace]

Okay. Nevertheless, because of that. Nevertheless, in spite of that, how would this show be served if it turned out that you were harboring some deep, dark demons in your own personal life all these years? And I even maybe knew about it, but didn't want to address it because I've got enough of my own problems. Well, how would that serve the overall interest and brand of this show? It would not. Right. All right. And so the answer to my question is pretty obvious. Now, you may doubt the intel, but then you'd have to doubt. You doubt that President Trump is lying to you, then you're welcome to do that. Okay. But, but, but as a broad point, if you just set aside that you might hate Jews, help me understand how it keeps any enemies of America at bay by just doing nothing when arguably our closest and most strategic ally might have been in peril, how does that help the interest in Projection of strength of the United States of America.

[Todd Erzin]

It doesn't.

[Steve Dace]

It doesn't. And I see. I think that's why you gotta look at things a little bit more broadly than your particular narrative. And you've got to be listening and tuning into people right now capable of doing that. Okay. For you. And there's not going to be a lot, I'm afraid. All right. That's just the era in which we live. And I don't even know how many people don't want that. I don't know how many people just don't have a narrative and they just want their belly rubbed and affirmed. I've just never been into that. That's never what we're going to do. Okay. But it doesn't serve the interest of the United States of America at all to allow such a close, intimate ally to be, quote, obliterated, according to President Trump. Not saying his intel was right. But there's. But that rationale has. Is rational. Whether the intel is right is a separate question and topic that we're not empowered to answer. We are empowered to answer whether the rationale is rational. And it's a pretty rational rationale. Agree or disagree?

[Todd Erzin]

I agree. I just. They think they're living in Galatians and that we're fighting off the Judaizers.

[Steve Dace]

Yes. Yeah. At the same time they tell us it's a secular country that doesn't have any religion and aborts more kids and has more homos and everything else than we do. So, I mean, which is it? Right.

[Pete Hegseth]

Yeah.

[Steve Dace]

Kind of hard to be those things simultaneously.

[Todd Erzin]

Yes.

[Steve Dace]

The Judaizers at least had a point. Might have been a bad one, but they at least had a point. All right, we'll come back. Jeremiah Johnson's going to join us next.

[Dr. Jeremiah Johnston]

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[Steve Dace]

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[Dr. Jeremiah Johnston]

Steve, you're amazing. I'm so glad to be back on your program. Thanks for having me. There's a lot going on.

[Steve Dace]

There is a lot going on and I want to, I don't want to give the whole store away so that people still buy the book book. But I definitely want to tease some of these evidences. I know you've got a couple with you right there that you want to show the audience. One of them you just got in the mail like literally just yesterday, bro.

[Dr. Jeremiah Johnston]

Check this out. If you're watching Steve DE Right now, I mean, who else can bring the oldest, most priceless Bible that we have? I'm holding in my hand this 16 pound Codex Vaticanus. This Bible was produced in 330 A.D. think about it. The Council of Nicaea was 325. So this is probably the oldest, most priceless Bible we have. It's in Greek, has the old and most of the New Testament inside of it has the mountaintop passages of the resurrection of Jesus Christ, the gospels, Paul's epistles, and yes, I just got it in the mail yesterday. And this is amazing because again, it shows the great history of our faith. In 360 A.D. julian the Apostate wants to kill all the Christians and destroy all the Bibles. By the way, he went nuts eight months later. It's kind of interesting. There were four emperors that really came against Christianity. And Steve, they did not end well. All four of them.

[Steve Dace]

Right?

[Dr. Jeremiah Johnston]

So it's interesting that we have any Bible manuscripts at all. But this is without a doubt the most priceless and again is evidence of the great scripture base of our faith, the text base of our faith, which is so unique to Christianity.

[Steve Dace]

You've got another artifact you want to show us there. A nail that you have there with you in your studio. What's that?

[Dr. Jeremiah Johnston]

So this is not a replica, Steve. I'm holding in my hand an actual crucifixion nail. This was unearthed in Judea. It's first century, and I know that because the shaft is square. And this was used to kill enemies of Rome. Well, what does the Bible tell us about the resurrection? We're only 26 days away from Easter. It says that Jesus was not. He wasn't roped to a cross. He was nailed to the cross through his wrists, not through his palms. And it would have been a 6 inch iron spike like this. Now, Steve, in your audience, do you guys notice that this is bent? Do you see that it's not completely straight? Can you see that from your angle? It's kind of bent. The Romans love to impact as much and inflict as much torture as possible. This nail would have been used again and again and again on more Roman criminals. They this was far more valuable than the bodies of the criminals. This has been, Steve, because when the executioners were executing people like Jesus, they would minimize movement but want to maximize torment. Can you imagine being nailed to the cross and then having them adjust the nail while you were being crucified? So this shows us that the archaeological testimony of what we read of how Jesus was crucified smacks of complete authenticity.

[CSPAN Host]

Wow.

[Steve Dace]

All right, you sent over some of the other evidences in this book. I on purpose have not seen any of these yet because I want to blow your mind. I do. I want my mind to be blown. I want to react to these alongside the audience. So, Aaron, let's take these one at a time. What's the very first one here, Aaron?

[Dr. Jeremiah Johnston]

Okay, this was just discovered in 2008. And let me give the premise on this. My children challenge me. This is Hulk oeste da crestu through Christ the enchanter. This is what's called the Magician's cup, Steve. I've never had a book before it even came out make global headlines. This discovery that I've covered was just discovered in 2008 by my friend Frank Boggio. He was doing archaeology with scuba diving. Found this in Alexandria. The cup itself dates to the first century BC, but the writing dates to AD 50. And this is the first archaeological find that we have with the name of Jesus on it. Now you think, well, now wait a minute. What does it mean through Christ the enchanter? Well, remember your gosp. Jesus is made famous first and foremost before his resurrection because he could heal diseases, he could exercise demons. And no one was more effective than Jesus. So even all around the Mediterranean world, people realized, hey, if I insert this name Jesus, powerful things happen. How cool is that?

[Steve Dace]

Wow. In other words, this is kind of almost an antiquity version, almost of branding is kind of what you're exactly like,

[Dr. Jeremiah Johnston]

hey, if we insert this dude's name, things happen. And so in my book, that Jesus discovery, here's, here's the challenge, challenge my children gave me. So I have two teenagers, Steve, you know that I have triplets. They said, dad, we want you to tell us everything we can learn about Jesus, but you cannot use the Bible. Now I love the Bible, okay, obviously I'm a Bible scholar, but here's the amazing thing about Jesus. Jesus is the most well attested historical figure from late antiquity. And so I wrote a book to answer my kids questions. We can have 10. There's actually more than that. But here are the 10 best discoveries that prove and corroborate the truth claims of Christianity. And I'm not using the Bible. Just like one of the chapters was the Jesus cup. Who are they talking about? Who was this great miracle worker that they put his name literally on a cup because it was so powerful? It turns out that we can actually build 65 facts about the life, death, burial and resurrection of Jesus before I ever crack open the Bible. And we have a great manuscript testimony just. And here's the way I'd put it, Steve, if we can't believe that Jesus died and rose again based on the evidence, then please don't believe that Caesar crossed the Rubicon because we have more evidence for the resurrection than we do for Caesar crossing the Rubicon.

[Steve Dace]

All right, let's enter into evidence now. Number, file number two here, Aaron. All right, Jeremiah, tell us what this is.

[Dr. Jeremiah Johnston]

If I took you to Rome and we went to the Palatine Hill, that was the high rent district. This was discovered in 1857. And what I want our audience to know. Crucifixion. We're so used to speaking about it today. It was so offensive in the Roman mind. This death was only reserved for enemies of the state, for slaves, for criminals, for barbarians. So even if you were the worst Roman citizen, you were not crucified. So this is incised in the wall. This dates to the second century. And let me read it. The inscriptions on the left, the drawings on the right. And by the way, my book has all these pictures in it. My 9 year old was looking at the pictures, so in Greek and incised. That's what we say when it's in a wall. It says Alexaminos Sebate Theon. And it's insulting Jesus. It shows that he has the head of a donkey. You can fill in the blank there. And he's dying. This is insulting the message of the gospel. And it's also insulting this Roman soldier who believes in Jesus. We know he believes in Jesus because he's holding up his hand, worshiping Jesus. Alex, Alex, Alexaminos worships his God. Here's why this is important. This is the earliest image that we have of any crucifixion. I don't mean Jesus, I mean any crucifixion. And it evidences Jesus's crucifixion.

[Steve Dace]

So we had branding and we had trolling. They were just like us. They were just like us.

[Dr. Jeremiah Johnston]

From people that insult Jesus in the early years.

[Steve Dace]

All right, number three, Aaron. What's next here? Jeremiah. What's this?

[Dr. Jeremiah Johnston]

Bro, I don't know if we've ever talked in all the times I've been on your show about the Shroud of Turin.

[Steve Dace]

We did discuss it once.

[Dr. Jeremiah Johnston]

Skeptic.

[Steve Dace]

We did discuss it once, yes.

[Dr. Jeremiah Johnston]

Okay, so this is all of the biblical correspondence. So this is a picture of the Shroud of Turin. And this is a crucified man. And finally, this is the first time I've ever written on the Shroud of Turin in my book, the Jesus Discoveries. This is all of the wound patterns, the side wound, the blood angles, and it all matches with a one to one correspondence with the resurrection and crucifixion narratives embedded in the Gospel. It matches so much that my friend Bruno. Bruno Barbar. Excuse me. And by the way, the irony of his name is not lost on me. Bruno Barbarus. It kind of sounds like the man who was replaced by Jesus on the cross. Yeah, he says that he's a mathematician. When you look at all of this, there is a 1 in 200 billion chance it's anyone other than Jesus of Nazareth who is on the image of the crucified man of the Shroud. Isn't that a helpful photo? So that's in the book as well. That just shows all of the different correspondences. Jesus is scourged 372 times, over 200 on the back. There is not a part of his body that was not scourged, including the pelvic region. We don't have the parallel sides because Jesus, when he resurrects. I want to make this clear, Steve, he literally resurrects through the. The shroud. The shroud is still laying there and he's walking around the tomb. Remember Jesus resurrection body was so powerful, it defied. It defied human limitations. He could appear in rooms and disappear. When you read First Corinthians 15 and you see the capabilities of our body, someday that we're going to have in Christ in the resurrection, they are amazing. And so the way I put it, if the Big Bang caused humanity to exist, let me tell you, the resurrection of Jesus was the big reversal that redeemed humanity. And this is the power of this moment is 34,000 billion watts of energy traveling at 1/40 of a billionth of a second to believe that residue of that image, for lack of a better term, on this burial cloth.

[Steve Dace]

Wow, that's incredible. All right, let's get to the next one, the fourth one. Aaron, what do you got? All right, Jeremiah, tell us about this one.

[Dr. Jeremiah Johnston]

Okay, so this is again, the picture on the left is what the shroud looks like today. It's in Turin. I actually took Glenn and Tanya Beck there. I showed them the actual shroud. We had a wonderful experience looking at the Shroud Museum. But the picture on the right is what second De Pia took in 1898. Photography is not invented till the 1800s. And when you take a picture, the image on the right, which looks like the negative, is actually the photo, positive and remarkable things stand out. You can actually see with so much more detail on the right the infliction of the wounds. You'll see no broken bones. You'll see the blood pattern. There's arterial in venous blood, meaning the blood is flowing in the direction that it should be flowing based on how Jesus was crucified. We actually have the back as well. You can see where he carried the patibulum. The one thing the Passion of the Christ did not get correct. He did not carry the whole cross. Jesus only carried the cross beam called the patibulum. And so there's abrasions on his shoulder, the front of the beard. If you can look closely at that, Steve in the audience, you'll see that it's plucked out. That doesn't mean the Isaiah prophecy, doesn't mean he's clean shaven. I want to really help find Christians with this. But you can see there's like this upside down V they plucked out the front of his beard. You can see how painful that would have been.

[Steve Dace]

Wow. All right, we've got a video that you want to narrate for us as well.

[Dr. Jeremiah Johnston]

So this is an animation. This is beautiful. So we took that, just the data from the face of the crucified man of the Shroud. And my friend Doug Powell, who's a graphic artist, did this amazingly in an apologist. And this became the COVID of my book. And we took the data from the Shroud and the earliest image that we have of Jesus, the pantocrater icon in St. Catherine's Monastery. And look at that, isn't that a riveting thing? That's likely what Jesus looked like. And again, we took just the data from the Shroud and the Christ pantocratter icon. Now Steve, I also have other artifacts. I've collected coins and I have a coin from Julian ii from the 700s. It's the first time that they put the picture of Jesus on a coin. And by the way, he was facing the Islamic conquest. So it was very bold of him to do this. And there are 200 points that match the face on the coin from the six hundreds with this face that you're looking at right now. Isn't that amazing?

[Steve Dace]

It's almost as if the, you know, to borrow a phrase from Josh McDowell, the, the Lord has left enough evidence that demands a verdict. Right? It's yes, it's you. None of us were alive to see it all, right? And so we have eyewitness testimonies, but none of those eyewitnesses are around to be cross examined or things of that nature. We do have the confirmation of their eye, of their testimonies by how they were all willing to suffer ignominious and, and terrible deaths on their own part for that testimony. Right, that's, that's right. That's the best confirmation of their testimony we have. And then we have kind of what amounts to for the antiquity version of forensic evidence. That's kind of what we've gone through here as well as circumstantial evidence. And it's pretty overwhelming. Not enough maybe that if you, if you 100, no matter what, don't want to be convinced, maybe there's enough doubt you could still have. Right, but, but it's so overwhelming that it does put the emphasis on the individual to then take a look at that evidence and make that decision. And you've, you've got to come up there for, come up there for Jeremiah. Then what is the counter explanation for all of these evidences? Even if you don't think it's 100% in our favor, then how in the world would you get to anything that would be a relevant ratio in with any other counter narrative to all of that? And that's really where I think where the rubber Meets the road. I'll give you the last word.

[Dr. Jeremiah Johnston]

The burden of proof is on the skeptic because the evidence, the scales of evidence, so lean in our favor. But I'll just remind you of this. Make sure that your heart is not hardened. The most dangerous place a person can be is when you stop seeking truth. Faith is not faith and blind nothingness. It is faith in evidence. Biblical faith is faith in the facts of the gospel, that Jesus died for our sins according to the scripture, that he was buried, and that he rose again on the third day according to the Scriptures. And everyone, Romans 10:9, who calls on the name of the Lord and believes in their heart that Jesus has been resurrected from the dead will be saved. And that's the whole point of the Jesus subteries. Steve, why I love your program. We've got to. We've got to raise our intellectual game politically, socially, and certainly with our faith. And so thanks for having me on. I hope many people will give this book because this is going to arm you and equip you in crisp chapters with how we can evidence Jesus for our skeptical friends. We're like, hey, don't open the Bible. What do we know about Jesus? Is there anything we can know about him outside the Bible? We can know more about him than the Caesars.

[Steve Dace]

Excellent. It's called the Jesus Discoveries. Ten Historic Finds that Bring Us Face to Face with Jesus. I love the. The very first line here on the back cover. Jesus is not legend, he is Lord. I think that's an. That's an excellent summation of what this entire conversation has been about.

[Dr. Jeremiah Johnston]

And the evidence bears it out. That's what's powerful about it.

[Steve Dace]

Good to see you, my friend. Thank you.

[Dr. Jeremiah Johnston]

Love you. Thanks for having me, Steve.

[Steve Dace]

You bet. God bless you.

[Dr. Jeremiah Johnston]

God bless you.

[Steve Dace]

All right, out today, the Jesus Discoveries. Ten Historic Finds that bring us face to face with Jesus. We got about a minute or so, gentlemen. Your thoughts on that conversation?

[Todd Erzin]

Yeah, I mean, we have an incarnate faith. It is tactile. It's not just a memo. So it's really important to be reminded that that's one way we can connect with it. And a nice assist to Catholics. I appreciate it there from Jeremiah. I mean, the codis there, it was produced by the Catholic Church at the very time I'm told by many people the church went apostate. So that's a nice, like, arms around our shoulders there. We're in this together. Thank you, Jeremiah. I love you, brother.

[Steve Dace]

Actually, I think we think the church went apostate after that period, wasn't it, Aaron? It's a little bit after that, just a bit shortly after Augustine. That's kind of when we think it went apostate.

[Aaron McIntyre]

Just a bit.

[Steve Dace]

Anyway, your thoughts, go ahead.

[Aaron McIntyre]

It's incredible. It's pretty incredible seeing this, the preponderance of the evidence, especially the older evidence. And there's. I've heard a number of things but you know, crossing the Rubicon versus the evidence for Christ. When you put it that way. When you put it that way, it is screaming. History screams like right in your face. Do you not see? Do you not see? Jesus was or this was the most intricate and impressive hoax ever pulled and ever will be pulled in the history of our species and this planet.

[Steve Dace]

All right, when we come back, going to put myself under the microscope for fake news or not. Had a chance to talk to the nation on C Span on Sunday. How did I do? You'll get a chance to see it for yourself and then we will discuss next. All right, back here with hour two, live and on demand on Blaze TV, radio and podcast alongside Aaron McIntyre and Todders. And I'm Steve Dase. Let us know what you think about what we think via the stevedace.com inbox by emailing the show [e-mail] that's D E A C E like us on Facebook, me, we and Gab. You can follow me at Steve Day show on X Instagram and tick tock. Subscribe to our YouTube channel at day show there. D E A C E. And if you are a podcast listener, you can hit the subscribe button or if you're an Apple, itunes, if you listen that way, hit follow and that way you are locked in. Every time we drop one of these new episodes, it's right there in your podcast feed. And then we would also love it if you'd leave us a five star review. Tens of thousands of you have. We appreciate them all and we'd appreciate yours if you've yet to do so here today. And we appreciate our friends at Raycon. Spring is kind of sprung. It's not official yet, but I mean it was 70 something degrees here yesterday. It's going to be 60 something degrees here today, right? You want to get out and about, you want to see that big yellow orb in the sky, get some fresh air, get mobile, agile and hostile yet again. We'll do it with Raycon's essential open earbuds. All right, because they're open ear so you can listen to music or podcast while you're still Hearing what's going on around you, all right, it's going to make being outside feel easier, more comfortable. The sound stays clear and balanced without feeling closed off from your surroundings. And right now you can grab those for 20% off right now. All right, so you can use these for literally everything. Raycons, they're incredible. In fact, what's really incredible is if I, I ever get to hold on to them when they're sent to my house because my kids have a tendency to pilfer them right away, right away. And that's because Raycon, they have over 3 million customers for a reason. The sound quality is just as good as the way more expensive brands, but they're half the price and they have a 30 day guarantee as well. So the essential open earbuds, they're perfect for refreshing your routine here with the fresh air of spring. So go to buyraycon.com Steve open buyraycon.com SteveOpen Buyraycon R A Y, C O N as in now buyraycon.com Steveopen and you go there and you'll get 20% off at buyraycon.com/steve open. All right, so this hour we're going to do an entire hour of fake news or not. But we're going to put yours truly on the chopping block. All right, we're going to break down how I did over the weekend. I was given an entire half hour on my own. I was supposed to do this for an hour with some left winger I'd never heard of the previous week. And then it got postponed because we launched a war and they told me they'd call me back. I didn't know it was going to be the very next week. They called me back the very next week and then gave me my own spot. So I was able to just sit there for about 30 minutes or so, taking questions from Pedro Echevera, who was the host, and then also from callers around the country. So here's what we're going to do. We are going to run this in real time. And Aaron, we're going to kind of Mystery Science Theater this thing. All right, so Aaron, as the guy, the controlling the broadcast, you can break in anytime you want when you've got something you want to say or address. All right, Todd, you and I, you can do that if you want. All right, Todd, you and I are going to say freeze it so Aaron knows to pause it. All right, so you want me to

[Aaron McIntyre]

leave your mics on?

[Steve Dace]

Should we leave the mics on?

[Todd Erzin]

That's Fine.

[Steve Dace]

Yeah, we'll just leave them on. All right. Leave the mics on. All right. And it can be the questions. Fake news. My answer's fake news or real news? Real news, whatever. The commentary is fair.

[Todd Erzin]

Yeah.

[Steve Dace]

All right, you ready to go?

[Aaron McIntyre]

Hope so.

[Steve Dace]

All right, let's kick this thing off. See how I did.

[Pedro Echevera]

Washington Journal continues.

[CSPAN Host]

Joining us now, Steve Dace of Blaze.

[Steve Dace]

All right, freeze it right there. What do you think of the shot? How's the shot look?

[Aaron McIntyre]

We need to fix your white balance.

[Steve Dace]

Explain to the audience what that is.

[Aaron McIntyre]

I don't even know, but I know it makes it look more natural.

[Steve Dace]

Okay.

[Aaron McIntyre]

Basically you're on auto white balance right now. So the camera is trying to constantly figure out what temperature of light is hitting you. And it should just be 5600 kelvin daylight.

[Steve Dace]

You can't really see it with the mic there, but I am wearing a tie. What do you think, Arzen? What do you think of the shot?

[Todd Erzin]

Amazing blue. Total fake news.

[CSPAN Host]

All right, let's continue show joining us to talk about issues in the news domestically and internationally. Mr. Daess, thanks for giving us time on the program today.

[Pedro Echevera]

You bet. Thank you guys for asking honor to do it.

[CSPAN Host]

Your audience, to what degree do they care about what's going on in Iran?

[Pedro Echevera]

They care quite a bit. I think they care on multiple levels, Pedro. I think they care about what it means in terms of focus on domestic policy and how much we can simultask or multitask there. I should say. I think they care greatly about victory and how it projects strength across American, strength across the globe. And then I think they care about how long it's going to take because of those other two matters as well. And I think everybody still has a little PTSD on our side over what happened with Iraq and Afghanistan. And I think you're seeing some of that in terms of the discourse on our side online. And last year, the president proved that it was possible to project American strength in the Middle east without getting bogged down in regime change. And now he's got to prove that we can do regime change without getting bogged down into a quagmire. And so that's kind of where we are right now.

[CSPAN Host]

When you see efforts that you saw on Capitol Hill with the Iran War Powers Resolution from Thomas Massie and other Republicans questioning why we're there and what are the long term effects, what's the sympathy amongst those you talk to for those kind of viewpoints?

[Pedro Echevera]

Well, I think that's kind of built into our overall coalition. You know, Congressman Massie, is a great congressman, but he also is native to the Ron Paul wing, the Libertarian wing of the party, the more iconoclastic wing of the party. So, you know, they're naturally skeptical of any military action to begin with. And frankly, I think that when you are as pro military as we tend to be on the right, and as I tend to be, I'm a child of the 80s, after all. I think it's good to have contrarians like that in there to ask you the questions maybe you don't want to answer and to make sure you don't become that which you hate, that you don't step on the rakes that we did in Iraq and Afghanistan in the previous era. But I think overall that's kind of baked into the cake of our coalition, that whenever we talk about a pronounced American military action, that you're going to see the Libertarian wing, which is small but is significant and has some substantive things to say, I think that they're going to speak up and kind of put a check and balance on that. And I think that's just part of the overall healthy debate. And I think that's kind of the difference in whether you're kind of doing groupthink or you're a movement. If you're willing to at least listen to your contrarians, doesn't mean you have to do what they say, but you should at least be willing to listen to them.

[CSPAN Host]

You freeze it there, people all the time.

[Steve Dace]

So C Span, this was the clip that they chose to single out to promote this appearance. All right, so they, they promoted the, the, the totality of the appearance several times, but the singular clip that they took from this conversation was the one that you just watched right there, addressing Massey, the libertarians, the war powers vote in Congress, et cetera. Thoughts on them choosing that as the promo clip. Think it was just as simple. It was the very first question. So it was an easy edit, or do you think it's significant of something else?

[Todd Erzin]

No, I think Massey is obviously singled out by two Trump. I mean, I really think this might just be metrics, things that get people to click on, things that they notice. But listen, more than that, I noticed that this, it's maybe slightly tonally different than you hear on the show, because the format of this show, as you've already said, is different. But the consistency of the message in that entire clip, which is why I didn't even break in. It's, it's, it's, it's what you've been doing every day, which I think speaks very highly to you. Steve isn't doing an act here and then doing a different act over there. I mean, there's a different audiences at times, but that message is what they would get from the Steve Day show on a regular basis, the one that we've had for what, the last two weeks as this has been going on. So I really think that just had to do with. Nothing to do with Steve Dace. I think Massey. Massey tends to get some really interesting, juicy comments from Trump. People might watch this longer. We get more eyeballs because of that. That's my thinking, I think.

[Aaron McIntyre]

Yeah. I think any. There's been a long standing feud between Massie and Trump and I think they probably pick up on that and that's probably why they clipped that clip.

[Steve Dace]

So do you guys agree that's a valid question to ask me about? Oh, yeah, yeah. What about making it the first thing to essentially ask me about?

[Aaron McIntyre]

Weird.

[Steve Dace]

Weird.

[Todd Erzin]

No, not when they find interesting conflict amongst conservatives as things that people. I hate it. But it, it's. It's what they think will get people to watch longer than two seconds and then for them to get donor money. I mean, no, it's not weird at all.

[Steve Dace]

All right, my answer then.

[CSPAN Host]

What are your own personal observations over what?

[Steve Dace]

No, pause it for a second. I'm sorry, you guys. Thoughts on how I answered that question then? What do you think?

[Todd Erzin]

Oh, that's what I said.

[Steve Dace]

It's.

[Todd Erzin]

You answered it the same way. You've been answering it for two weeks, which it's consistent. You're not. You're not doing political spin, you're doing political analysis, but you're not trying to gain any kind of fake high ground or, or be overly pessimistic, which many people are perpetually doing on the right night. Now, you gave a very balanced analysis of what you think is actually, actually happening, regardless of what your preference may or may not be.

[Steve Dace]

Aaron, your thoughts?

[Aaron McIntyre]

I don't know. I don't trust CNA or Sorry, Affordance Lip C Span as much as any of the other networks. So I found it weird that the first thing that they wanted to ask you about specifically was division, but I guess that makes sense. Yeah. The answer was basically, like Todd said, what you've been saying here, there's not much more to analyze than that.

[Steve Dace]

All right, let's continue.

[Aaron McIntyre]

Oh, crud. I just messed up and pressed the wrong button. You got to talk for a little bit here.

[Steve Dace]

All right. I think what you're going to see is at least I hope what you're going to see is I made a concerted effort not to fall into a narrative that may be disproven a little bit later on.

[Todd Erzin]

Yeah.

[Steve Dace]

All right. That there are just too many things we don't know. We're not empowered to know. We're not empowered to know in advance. And I'm not here to sell a narrative. All the reservations I had about this two weeks ago, I still have. But I'm also Team America, and I want us to win. I also think the every single member of the Iranian regime assuming room temperature makes the world a better place. Right. Okay. And I don't hate Jews. All right. So I still think all the issues of are we taking away from our focus on domestic priorities and our ability to win the midterms? Could we end up in a quagmire there? I still think all those questions I had before we launched this are all still there. They won't be answered until this is completed. At the same token, though, I don't have a narrative that I'm trying to affirm, so I'm fine rooting for America to be successful if this is the mission.

[Todd Erzin]

Yeah. If they had somebody on from Fox News, it would be very jingoistic. If they had Tucker on it, was about to rape all their women and kill all their children. Here, you're acknowledging that there's many different takes and perspectives right now, and you are allowing for the reality of all of those existing is out there. But there's also a third way of acknowledging that it's not as clean as either side makes it or clean or messy as other side makes it.

[Steve Dace]

All right, let's continue.

[Pedro Echevera]

Anyway, amongst Republicans, you talked about that

[CSPAN Host]

PTSD kind of thing, and you talk about winning. What does. What do you think winning looks like to you and your audience? What do they need to see as far as that's concerned?

[Pedro Echevera]

Well, I think this is the great challenge here on our side, as the administration has defined winning as degrading Iran's military capabilities to the point that it can no longer be a danger to Americans. And it has been.

[Steve Dace]

It's.

[Pedro Echevera]

Iran has killed hundreds of Americans or been involved in numerous terrorist plots going back to the hostage crisis of 1979 when I was a little kid. Now, here's the thing, though. What exactly does that mean? We've already seen a lessening of Iran's missile launch capability at Israel as the first week of this conflict has worn on. All right, is that because they're hiding some, is anticipating a ground invasion? Is that because they've been degraded at that point, is that because their military leadership has been so degraded, their chain of command is disrupted? It's probably a little bit of all of those things. Right. You know, and so I think that's the big thing. What does that actually look like? Cuz at the same time, the President has called for regime change, but called for it amongst the Iranian people. About a month ago we had consistent, night by night, tens of thousands of Iranians, brave Iranians in the street willing to take on with protests the Revolutionary Guard there in Iran. Right. And the President has urged them for now to kind of shelter in place and hunker down until the, the brunt of this operation is over. Is there a point where he will then call them out into the streets? I think those are questions that still have to remain answered. And what I would say is that the President's foreign policy chops and capabilities have been the best part of his two terms. He's brought unprecedented peace and stability to the Middle east. We have over 2000 Jews working full time in the nation of Saudi Arabia right now. That was unthinkable even a decade ago. You had the Abrahamic Accords last year when Iran launched missiles at Israel in retaliation for Midnight Hammer, you saw several Arab states, like Saudi Arabia, like Jordan, launch countermeasures against Iran as part of that effort. So I think what the President has understands is that there's a large coalition of Arab states, maybe for different reasons than Israel. Pedro. But there's a large coalition of Arab states that would love the Iranian regime to be at least severely muted, if not outright displaced. And so I think that the President has parlayed that into unprecedented diversity of coalition here and has a broad mandate to successfully execute this operation. And so far he has.

[Aaron McIntyre]

How many C span viewers have heard that type of analysis?

[Steve Dace]

That is a good question. I'm gonna guess it's a small number.

[Aaron McIntyre]

How many C SPAN viewers do you think Pedro himself has even heard? Hey, there's a large cadre of Gulf state neighbors who hate Iran's gets. Do you think he's ever heard that before? I mean, I'm not trying to diminish his IQ or anything, but it's just not, it's not widely known.

[Steve Dace]

Are you saying the answer I gave is just outside of the widely consume talking points on either side of this that most Americans are fed?

[Aaron McIntyre]

Generally?

[Steve Dace]

Yeah.

[Todd Erzin]

But again it's also. Here's if people turned in onto our show, that's what they've heard. There's no new messaging there, which is

[Steve Dace]

for really the last several years, in

[Todd Erzin]

fact, which is which is again, really, really important. You can simultaneously be America first while also and quite frankly, I don't think you can truly be anything that resembles an accurate America first and not and have no idea what's actually going on over there and just rely on straw men and stereotypes and the fact that you bring out the gospel there implicitly. Love your neighbors, you love yourself. You're talking about brave Iranians. You're talking about Saudi Arabians in terms of being nuanced and having different opinions of the world as it is. I just think it's, it's grown up

[Steve Dace]

talk as we go on. We'll see if we get grown up questions in response to that grown up talk. Let's get you good, Aaron.

[CSPAN Host]

Steve Day joining us of the Steve Day Show. And if you want to ask him questions, 202748, 8000 for Democrats, 202-748-8001 for Republicans and independents, 202-748-8002. You can text us at 202-748-8003. Mr. Dase, how do you describe your show to other people?

[Pedro Echevera]

I would say principled conservatism with a snarky twist. I'm a big faith guy. And so as much as we can, we try to, you know, use the filter of that, of that perspective, pardon me, into how we analyze daily events. So I think that that maybe gives our show maybe a bit of a unique flavor. And we're in a period of time now, Pedro, as you know, that there is a great yearning for that kind of content across the spectrum that people are wondering, hey, what do some of those timeless truths and old traditions have to say about the era in which we live? And so we try to harken back to those things consistently on our show and how.

[Steve Dace]

Pause it for a second.

[Todd Erzin]

Yeah, I think it's because the questions were so adult. The answers were so adult. Like I've been saying that I don't you said you've talked with that guy before.

[Steve Dace]

He's had me on before over the years.

[Todd Erzin]

He's a pro. He knows what he's doing. I don't think he I think that was filler right there. I think he expected way more red meat off the rail stuff that so the follow up would win something about that. I think it's like I can't believe this is just like adults having a sober minded conversation. I'm used to people lighting their hair on fire whether I'm talking to people.

[Steve Dace]

Listen, I Can do that, by the way.

[Todd Erzin]

I'm fine.

[Steve Dace]

I like lighting my hair on fire. I just thought this should be a higher brow conversation.

[Todd Erzin]

And you can. And, and I expected you would later on, but really, I think he was, he really just said, I think I just need to ask a question to recalibrate where I'm going with this next. Tell me who you are, Steve Dase. Because it was just. That's not what you get from online or cable talk these days. It is, it is this sound bited fake fighting nonsense.

[Steve Dace]

And they don't want analysis. They want sides. Remember that was, yes, that was the last time CNN called to book me. Was one of the, we think it was in 2017, 2018 was the last time they tried to book me for a show. And then their producer called back to cancel and he flat out told me, listen, at this point we're just, we're not looking for analysis, we're looking for sides. Just told me that flat out. That's what you're describing.

[Todd Erzin]

Yeah. And even though he knows you enough, I think he, I really think he had to like throw some, try to throw some chum out in the water. Can. Can you remind us who you are again, Steve? Because you know that I know that you know. And nope, nope, that's. And, and again, we do that on the show. Depending on the topic. There's Lindsey Graham and there's all that stuff. But this, we do this every single day on this topic and many other topics. It's about the truth. We really want it. The question is, do you.

[Steve Dace]

Let's continue.

[CSPAN Host]

Talk about your audience moving on and other things helping them do that. One of the things that occurs now that Mark Wayne Mullen, the senator, is about could become the next Department of Homeland Security. Talk about those events. What was your reaction when you saw those happening?

[Pedro Echevera]

Well, I think that the first warning shot across Christine Ohm's bow was fired in Minneapolis when essentially the president sent Tom Homan in, said, all right, we have to have an adult actually running this thing. This has gone on for too long. And I think that in the first term the president struggled.

[Todd Erzin]

This is, this is where it turns a little bit more into like, and this guy's like, all right, it's not

[Steve Dace]

going to be npr. Yeah, no NPR with Bible verses.

[Todd Erzin]

Now there's going to be a corpse somewhere. We're going to get it.

[Steve Dace]

And we did book Steve Dase after all, someone's got to get bodied here. What are we doing for 30 minutes? What happened to you? Yes.

[Todd Erzin]

Now this you didn't, you didn't have to go searching for this. I mean this is very low hanging fruit. But nonetheless, I think this is more what he expected in the first answer he asked.

[Steve Dace]

He listen, he asked me very serious questions and so I gave him very serious answers. When he asked me about someone who's frankly not a very serious person, that's when I gave a less serious answer in response.

[Todd Erzin]

But what they normally get is very serious questions getting very unserious answers.

[Steve Dace]

Correct? Yeah, yeah.

[Pedro Echevera]

Times as an outsider to assemble a cabinet of people that he, that were both people he could trust and not swamp rats, but also capable at the same time. And we saw some of that revolving door. And I think the President came in way more prepared from a personnel standpoint this time. But if the first in his first term, the President at times I think was too quick, you know, to let people go. So Anthony Scaramucci was there for a week, for example. Omarasa we hardly knew Ye.

[Steve Dace]

Okay.

[Pedro Echevera]

I think in this case the President maybe has hung on too much, being sensitive to that narrative. Kristi Noem probably should have been let go a long time ago. A lot of conservatives like myself think that Pam Bondi should have been let go a long time ago. A confluence of events, what happened, the messaging issues and the lack of leadership projected in Minneapolis was one. I think her testimony was another. The stories that have come out about the use of funds and, and whatever the nature of her relationship with Corey Lewandowski is, is another. And I just think at that point, you know, the one thing that you can't ever do, you know, and I've been on presidential campaigns and made this mistake, all right, you can't ever be bigger than the candidate or the leader. You can't make yourself more of a story than they are. And Kristi Noem was doing that and the President was right to remove her.

[CSPAN Host]

Was it.

[Pedro Echevera]

When it comes to,

[Todd Erzin]

especially in the background, why they choose they. They wanted you to do to Massey earlier on what you did end up bringing up with Pam Bondi, like adding on. Oh, and another thing, here's another body that. See that over there at C Span, they're like, yeah, lighting up the cigarettes. That's the stuff we wanted right there. And see so. And you should have points for that. Points for the snarky Morassan negative points for not bringing up dental work or dogs that have been shot before. Oh, missed opportunities.

[Steve Dace]

The dental work should have been brought up. Aaron, your thought on that exchange there, quite interesting.

[Aaron McIntyre]

It's again, no different than Anything that we've talked about on this program. Again, I don't know the average audience of C span, what they're expecting from somebody like you, whether they've ever heard you before, how much background they have of you. Pedro obviously knows who you are. So, again, I would just like to be a fly on the wall, maybe in the control room of C span, if they're even paying attention at all, to see kind of what their reactions.

[Steve Dace]

Who told me we were booking adults on here? Is that what you're saying?

[Aaron McIntyre]

Basically.

[Steve Dace]

All right, let's continue.

[CSPAN Host]

Was it the two. The two shooting deaths that really was a key factor? Was it reaction to that? How would you paint that picture?

[Pedro Echevera]

I would say the answer to your question is yes. And that she did. You know, on the right. We don't have really high regard for the messaging capabilities of Tim Walls. Okay. So I would. I think when you're getting outflanked in the. In the public sphere by Tim Walls, you're probably doing something wrong. All right? And so I think the president recognized that. That's why he made a call to the bullpen, called in his Mariano Rivera there. Tom Homan, who's a great American, called him in. And notice, Pedro, how a lot of that stuff just kind of went away, gives a mean hug. You notice that because an adult was actually in charge.

[CSPAN Host]

And now with Mark Wayne Mullen being tapped as potential Homeland Security, what does he. What do you think he faces? Should he take that position?

[Pedro Echevera]

I think the number one thing he faces is he has to project consistency and strength. And this goes back to your other. Your other point about the Iran war, and this is why I said these things are connected from a domestic policy standpoint. The one thing that will erode support faster on our side than anything else because of how big of an issue immigration has become in the last decade. And the President has written that issue all the way to the White House. Now, that was, you know, that was the issue. I was here in Iowa as he was scuffling to establish his first presidential campaign bona fides early in that 2016 cycle. And he was struggling to come up with an issue that captured people's imaginations. And it was that spring and summer of 2015 when he realized what a hot burner issue immigration was. And so that is the president's signature issue of his entire political relevancy and ascendancy. And so if it turns out we have a whole bunch of sleeper cells here, they could not contain, and there are casualties here at home because of what we've allowed to be imported and not removed. That has way more potential to divide the President's base than what you're seeing from a handful of largely anti Israel podcasters online who are kind of using and almost hoping and wishing that Operation Epic Fury goes poorly so they can say, see, I told you so. There's way more danger in what happens on the domestic front with sleeper cells and domestic terrorism here, if not adequately contained and dealt with, then that in terms of eroding his support. And so it was paramount now to put an adult in charge of DHS during that, during this particular point of time.

[CSPAN Host]

Right now we have calls lined up.

[Steve Dace]

All right, freeze it.

[Todd Erzin]

That's the soul of the entire appearance right there. The pointing out that and people who had last who are frustrated maybe with your Iran answer, but lasted long enough, did the LEO gif and pointed to that. And that's why I'm frustrated because absolutely this Trump told me who he was at the beginning. I'm gonna hold him to that. And if we're gonna go over to Iran and forget about this stuff, it's never gonna fly. And we all, we all understand that. We totally think that's valid. That right there is the soul of everything you said before. And quite frankly, what gives people ears to hear with whatever happens afterwards, because that acknowledges the honesty of where people are at right now.

[Aaron McIntyre]

Yes, ultimately, that's the big ticket. People will allow you to conquer any country you want to overseas, so long as the bad guys on our shores are actually taking back overseas. You know, that's kind of the gist of where we're at right now.

[Steve Dace]

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[Todd Erzin]

Well, I, I would hope calls that, that have a sense. I know they. Well, they do. The don't. They have the two. Yeah. The Republican and Democrat line.

[Steve Dace]

And independents have a line, too. Yeah.

[Todd Erzin]

A line that at least acknowledges that there's another side of the conversation that must at least be honestly entertained from a Socratic dialogue point of view and not pretends it's a straw man.

[Aaron McIntyre]

That's what I hope from a content perspective. Oh, I want angry people. Just.

[Todd Erzin]

Oh, I'm expecting that, too.

[Steve Dace]

You're going to get, you're going to get some of that for sure. Particularly as Todd keeps teasing, Wait till the end. Wait till the end. You'll get, you'll get some of that at the end as well. But I really did. Number one, it's Sunday. It's the Lord's day. Number two, this is a place as a platform that is trying to elevate the level of conversation here. So I was truly trying to kind of set that tone. Listen, I'm, I'm fine to just start trolling people and, you know, retardation I can't stand if you want me to. But I just kind of felt like, you know, this was kind of a formal dinner kind of a thing. You know, this requires a different level of decorum than we're just sitting here with our. In our own little locker room here. Right. You know. Right. So we'll see if I can keep that going here when we come back,

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[CSPAN Host]

First will be from New York. This is Scott Democrats line. You're on with Steve Dase of the Steve Day Show.

[Pedro Echevera]

Scott, go ahead.

[J]

Yes, Steve, I'm technically still registered as a democrat, but I'm definitely conservative at this point. I would agree with you on Kristi Noem and you know, and Pam Bondi as far as, like, bad choices. They were bad choices from the beginning. But I differ with you on the other generalized aspects of what you're on there for today. Because Most Americans, working class Americans are really, they are concerned with what's going on. Of course, if you can walk and chew gum at the same time with Iran, Iran and all the other stuff that's going on, you know, worldwide. But their biggest concerns right now are how are they going to pay for the health care premiums and how are they going to pay for their energy costs which have skyrocketed. And most people, when you ask them, when you actually ask them on the street and in private, I'm a healthcare provider and I have conversations with my patients sometimes just casual conversations. They don't understand that it's all state controlled, state commission controlled. And so I actually wrote an amendment which I was trying to get my congressman to look at, which they just have ignored it. But that needs to be taken away from the states and it needs to be federalized. And we need to actually have Congress for people that are elected to office, be able to like raise health care premiums or raise energy costs, I think they should be dialed back to like 2018 levels. And then in order to raise them, you have to have a super majority in Congress to do that. That's what most people are concerned with, their health care premiums that have gotten out of control because of state run commissions like in New York State, the Department of Financial Services.

[Aaron McIntyre]

Got it.

[CSPAN Host]

Yep.

[Aaron McIntyre]

Yep.

[CSPAN Host]

Thank you caller. Thank you.

[Pedro Echevera]

Well, first of all, I think his, his political assessment is correct. I mean one of the, the biggest mistakes that the Republican Party has made maybe in its modern history or the infamous 50 plus show votes to abolish Obamacare in order to gain majorities. And then when they had the power to do so, not doing so, and then they ended up owning. And then if you remember the Pedro, the very first attempt, I guess to repeal Obamacare under Speaker Paul Ryan was essentially a fulfillment of every Democrat campaign commercial that's ever existed. They were going to get rid of the corporate mandate and then make sure the individual still had theirs. All right. And that was the, one of the biggest issues in the 2018 midterms. You go back and look at the exit polling of the 2018 midterms when we lost 40 House seats, health care was the number one issue. And so what ended up happening now is the Republican Party by its failure to live up to its own campaign rhetoric on Obamacare, has ended up owning the liability of this issue. They've taken it on themselves. Now in terms of the solution though, to what he is saying, I mean, I don't know, I'm having a hard Time. Forgive me. It's Sunday morning, Brother Pedro. I want to be listening. It's the Lord's day, so I want to be as graceful and winsome as I can be. Okay. I'm just not sure anybody is really eager to hand more power to Congress at the moment, regardless of what line they're calling into. Okay. So I'm not sure that's the most adequate solution in the world. But I do agree with his political lament that the Republican Party has mismanaged this issue, really now, for almost going on the last decade.

[Todd Erzin]

I think that you, you gave the soul of everything before, which is still true. I think that was the best overall answer because you did one of our favorite things. You said, oh, by the way, it's worse, way worse than, it's worse than you think, because we could have done something about it. These Republicans that apparently he has a new ear for a long time ago. But also your answers are not even close. You know, that same group that when they had the power at the federal level, screwed it up before, now you want to give more power to them again, they won't. It's not going to go how you think it's going to go. Luke Skywalker. So I thought this was the, the best overall answer in terms of the number of roads it went down and accomplished what you intended it to do.

[Aaron McIntyre]

I didn't hear the caller. Did the caller say anything about regulations when it comes to the aca? I don't recall him saying much about that, no.

[Steve Dace]

No.

[Aaron McIntyre]

So there's the, there's one problem politically, I agree, is his assessment is right on the money. But until you start doing regulations, getting rid of regulations, I don't care if you give the money directly to the people. You're just kind of rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic. And yeah, the overriding, the overriding issue, even if we could talk about something that would cut down on the cost of insurance premiums, Congress, do you really trust that they can do anything like this that's risky politically across the board without actually making things worse? Probably not.

[CSPAN Host]

From Mark. Mark is on our line for independence. He's in Massachusetts. Mark, hello.

[J]

Morning. Thank you, Steve. I was wondering, I was at a party last night, a St. Patrick's Day party outside of Boston. It's pretty, you know, mixed, all sorts of kind of folks, white collar, blue collar, middle whatever, upper class. And I didn't hear anybody saying any talking about winning. You know, I didn't hear anybody say, you know, America's winning and Trump's foreign policy, like you said, is his greatest asset. I think he's doing a terrible job. Do you look at the ratings? This guy's a 30% approval rating. I mean, the elections are coming up midterms. They're gonna get smoked.

[Pedro Echevera]

Well, first of all, let me just say the fact that you are still running with a group of people of various persuasions that are willing to hang out with one another. Props to you because there's not a lot of that anymore in our Balkanized country. So that's good that you still have a group of people that can come together and have honest conversations with one another and, you know, not essentially, you know, build moats around each other the minute that somebody airs a, you know, dissenting opinion. The president's approval rating heading into Iran, according to the RCP average, was 43.3. That's roughly around where Barack Obama was at this point in his second term as well. But you're not wrong about the realities of what he is facing in a midterm. And you look at this historically, Pedro, I mean, the only time I can think of in modern history, Reagan lost over 30 House seats, several governorships in 1982 because the economy did not turn around as fast as people thought coming out of the Carter years. You look at George H.W. bush. Democrats won the generic ballot in the 1990 midterm elections by, I think, 8 points nationwide. If you look in 1994, that was the first Republican majority in 50 years. The contract with America. And Bill Clinton's midterm, you look at George W. Bush was able to win a midterm coming off of 9, 11 and 02, but then he got annihilated. In the 2006 midterms, we destroyed Barack Obama in not one, but two midterm elections. And the Tea Party wave of 2010, and then the 2014 wave was even bigger than that. And then the aforementioned wave I had, that The President lost 40 House seats in 2018. So there is a historic reality here, no matter who wins, of what you are facing in a midterm. For sure, it's emboldened by the fact we have such a slim majority and some of the people that are more corporatized, more globalist in our party still, that the old Bush wing that kind of hasn't been run out yet, is still able to bog things down on Capitol Hill in ways that maybe you can't. In some states, like my home state of Iowa, where you have Kim Reynolds or Florida, we have Ron DeSantis and a strong Republican governor. And so your deducement here of the political realities are not wrong, but here's the reality. And this goes back to the previous caller's question. If the American people, you know, what's affordability, Pedro, is a little subjective. Like what's the degrading of Iran's military?

[Steve Dace]

Right.

[Pedro Echevera]

Okay. If the American people do not feel that affordability at their kitchen tables coming out of Labor Day and heading into the meat of this campaign season, we're going to lose regardless of how successful this operation was. And if they do, we're going to win regardless of how upset about this operation people are right now in early March.

[CSPAN Host]

Is there enough time to change those minds or at least change that perception?

[Pedro Echevera]

There's six months. I would say you've got about six months. And then most of the economic environment that people are going to be feeling when they go to the polls will be in place coming out of Labor Day, which is about six months. In fact, it's exactly six months from today, I believe. And so that's how long we have, I think, on our side. Let's go to Pedro's opinion.

[Todd Erzin]

Pedro's opinion about getting smoked is where a lot of people will. We've talked in the last week about being prepared to answer a question, walking away from a conversation. Just answer the question that you wanted to answer anyways. I mean you. That was a, a case study of how to conduct an operation. And ultimately that guy Pedro is just slinking back into the woods. He's the homer Gif. Because you just didn't entertain him emotionally. You just factually overwhelmed the conversation.

[Steve Dace]

Let's continue.

[CSPAN Host]

Look in line. Go ahead.

[Todd Erzin]

Yeah.

[Dan]

Good morning. Result of the. I signed up for the military because of the bombing of Beirut and served with a lot of guys from middle class, lower middle class and just seemed like the same old thing. And after say we do great here and I'm all about against Iran, but after this is all done said and done, you see like a locker be bombing airlines, killing military guys. And also I'm not giving credit to Heg says or Trump because uh, I mean I'm not. I don't believe uh, they should get their credit for our military. I don't give a credit to Clinton or any guys. It's just with a bunch of amazing guys and serve the guys in NATO and I think it's sad and I think the people are going to benefit are the wealthy and obviously Israel, who I always been an ally of Israel. It just, I don't know, seemed like the same old story.

[CSPAN Host]

Okay, Dan In New York, Mr. Dase, a lot said there. What do you take from that?

[Pedro Echevera]

Well, I think. I'm not. I'm trying to figure out what his question was, because I want to be respectful to his service, and I would love to answer directly what his question was. I will say there is a pocket of people, and a lot of them are on our side that share a lot of his laments. And, you know, in many respects, Pedro, I thought. Pardon me, I thought Midnight Hammer last year was kind of Trump's. Pardon me, I thought it was his Grenada. And coming, you know, coming into the Reagan years, there was a lot of thought coming out of Vietnam that we just could not exert and project power anymore as a military, particularly after the failed botched attempt to rescue the hostages under Jimmy Carter, etc. And so Grenada was kind of Reagan's the first, you know, salvo that. No, no, we could do this again. We're not permanently emasculated here. And I thought Midnight Hammer did that in terms of the morale for the military, for the president. But we're now undergoing a second proof of concept here. And I don't lament to anybody that's our age that has lived through all these years, any of the millennials who, you know, feel like maybe they fought in Iraq and Afghanistan for nothing, given the way that things turned out. I don't lament that on anybody. And I don't think the president does. I mean, remember, the president got elected, Pedro, running on many of these kinds and itemizing and elevating these kinds of complaints and being kind of a construct for people, that he represented something different. And so he's proven that with his success in foreign policy. He proved that with the success of Midnight Hammer a year ago. But now we're at another stage of this. Can we have a prolonged engagement? What's prolonged? Well, it's already been a week in our 15, you know, in our, you know, 280 characters or less society. That's a long time.

[CSPAN Host]

Okay.

[Pedro Echevera]

We're pronouncing movies bombs based on their one week of box office nowadays. Okay, so can he prove that he can sustain this and success for a prolonged engagement? And I just want to say about Secretary Hegseth, his messaging has been phenomenal. I mean, he has put on an absolute messaging and morale clinic thus far. But ultimately. And that's buying them time. But ultimately, the proof will be in the results. And so we're undergoing a proof of concept as a people right now. So the first one was last year. Can we do quick strike events and not get bogged down in prolonged engagements? And now we're proving whether or not it is capable with different leadership to be involved in a prolonged engagement without getting bogged down in a quagmire. And that proof of concept still has to be proven. And I don't, I don't, I don't begrudge anybody who is skeptical until it is. Mr.

[CSPAN Host]

Dates, you talked about midterms. A lot of attention was paid last week to the first round of primaries, particularly what happened in the Texas Senate race. What's your assessment of what finally broke out after everything was said and done?

[Pedro Echevera]

Well, John Cornyn may have spent more money in the history of politics to get 42% in a, in a statewide primary. I don't know that. I mean, that's got to be one of the worst return on investments in the entire history of modern American politics, number one. And so there is, as you know, a lot of drama about this on our side right now because the president put out a message the day after the primary saying, in short, I'm going to be issuing an endorsement. And it began getting leaked, I think, first to the Atlantic and to some other media that the president was going to endorse John Cornyn. And then what we saw is this was the largest because we're coming up

[Steve Dace]

on the end of the show, actually, so we're going to finish this in the overtime. Great tease to become a BlazeTV subscriber because you don't want to miss the last call. Todd's been teasing this the entire time. You do not want to miss the last caller. In fact, I totally forgot about this call. And this actually is one of my favorite answers that I gave because I hearkened back to a name I'd not let purse my lips and in many a moon. But what happened last week reminded me quite a bit to that moment. So if you are a Blaze TV subscriber, you're golden, right? You just need to wait for us to record this right after the show and then you'll get to watch that later on today at BlazeTV. If you're not yet become one now. BlazeTV.com Days is where you can go. You don't want to miss the overtime. You don't want to list Todd, and you want to miss Todd and Aaron declaring whether or not I'm fake news based on this appearance or not. All right, that's going to be all done today and every day. That's just one of the exclusive pieces of content that gets produced daily for [e-mail] dace use the code dace for a discounted subscription blazetv.com days code dace. Before we get out of here, one word assessment for what you guys saw, at least during this period of time from this appearance.

[Todd Erzin]

Sober.

[Steve Dace]

That's an interesting word. Sober.

[Aaron McIntyre]

Adult.

[Steve Dace]

Adult. I meant adult. I was striving for adult. And sober is probably another way of saying that. Yeah, I mean, I was striving to show these can be discussed like adults. And seriously. And if C SPAN isn't the format to have a serious conversation, then we

[Pedro Echevera]

just don't have one anymore.

[Steve Dace]

Right. All right, overtime for subscribers coming your way. For the rest of you, see you tomorrow. You want to miss that last call, trust me. Go hard. Romans 8:28.