Deace Group Live from Dallas! | 4/24/26

Summary

Steve Deace Show – “Deace Group Live from Dallas!” Blaze Podcast Network | April 24, 2026

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Episode Overview

This episode features a live roundtable Deace Group discussion from Dallas, with Steve Deace joined by Todd Erzin (co-host), Rob Eno (Blaze editor), and Sarah Gonzalez (Blaze host), in Aaron McIntyre’s absence. The conversation centers on the ongoing Iran war (now in its eighth week), the challenge of defining a satisfactory end, current political ramifications for the Trump administration, the Southern Poverty Law Center scandal, the “Maha” health movement under RFK Jr., anti-Semitism, and listener questions about faith and contemporary conservative politics. The tone is snarky, candid, and deeply skeptical about both war aims and the state of American institutions.

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1. The Iran War: Endgame, Strategy, and Political Fallout

Segment: [03:42–19:52]

Key Discussion Points

• Lack of a Clear Objective

  • The panel laments the unclear goals of the U.S. war with Iran, now at “day 56” (“day 56 of the Iranian war” – [04:05]), likening it to the aimless countdowns of Vietnam or the Iranian hostage crisis.
    • Sarah Gonzalez: “This is not what I voted for. This is not what MAGA voted for. This is not America first, which is what we were promised.” ([06:31])
  • Sarah underscores the disconnect between voter expectations ("no more endless wars") and current actions.

• Communication Gap & Public Optics

  • The crew discusses the absence of administration transparency: “If you are willing to go to war with a foreign country, you have to be willing to tell the American people what the plan is. And it doesn't feel like there’s a plan.” – Sarah ([06:31])
  • The importance of public perception: “Whatever the off-ramp, get a quick win, take the off-ramp, use that, spin it however you can, and we can avoid all of this.” ([09:00])

• Alliances, Realpolitik & “Just War” Dilemma

  • Steve outlines the U.S. balancing act: “We’re trying to massage a dual alliance here... the most extensive Arab alliance we’ve ever had... The Israelis are generationally tired of the Iranian regime. You don’t get the Israelis and the Arab world on the same side very often.” ([08:22])
  • Problems arise with consensus on postwar order: “I don't think the President or the administration knows how to keep it going... I think they see the polling and April 29 is the 60th day under the War Powers Act... they’re going to stall until that long.” – Rob ([12:03])
  • Concerns over historical precedents of U.S. regime change: “We do not have a history of doing this in a correct way. There’s absolutely no path to victory. There wasn’t a path to victory the day that it started.” – Rob ([13:05])
  • The 60-day War Powers Act limitation looms as the deadline for congressional authorization. ([12:11–14:59])

• Domestic Effects

  • Panelists highlight economic pain, particularly higher gas prices, and the political cost: “I did not vote for these high gas prices. I voted quite literally against all of these things that are happening right now.” – Sarah ([06:31])
  • Rob warns: “Food is gonna be so expensive at the end of this year, right around the election time, that I don't think anybody really understands the interconnectedness of all of this.” ([14:51])

• War as an Optical Operation

  • Steve posits Trump’s strategy may have been to inflict as much damage as possible within 60 days, then extricate before political costs mount: “Was the plan just we're going to go in and demolish as much of their war capabilities and their governing apparatus as much as we can?” ([16:23])
  • Sarah, Rob, and Todd express skepticism that a truly “satisfactory” end is possible: “I don't think there is a satisfactory conclusion... there wasn’t a satisfactory answer to go in. This ends next week. It's ended now.” – Rob ([12:11])

• Cultural Touch: Eagle Songs as Metaphor

  • Steve asks panelists to describe the war’s damage as an Eagles song:
    • Todd: “I Can't Tell You Why” ([19:08])
    • Sarah: “Lyin' Eyes... I feel very misled.” ([19:12])
    • Rob: “Already Gone... Baked in.” ([19:16])

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2. The Southern Poverty Law Center Scandal

Segment: [22:34–30:05]

Key Discussion Points

• SPLC Fraud & Indictments

  • SPLC under federal indictment for wire fraud, money laundering, and using staged tactics to manufacture hate groups and boost fundraising: “They were just paying off fake Klan members and installing Klan members so they could then raise money off it.” – Steve ([21:58])
  • Rob: “This is like the Moms Demand Action actually funding Sandy Hook. That's the kind of thing that this is. And it is what we voted for.” ([22:34])

• Systemic Corruption & Black Pill Sentiment

  • Rob goes full conspiracy/black pill: “Everything is fake, everything is manufactured. Is anything in our government real?” ([22:57])
  • Todd, deeply skeptical we'll see real consequences: “We let murderers and rapists out all the time... They're gonna find them guilty, and then they're just gonna let... puff, puff, pass.” ([26:03])

• Contrast with Left-Wing Prosecutions

  • Sarah notes the SPLC indictment names the organization, not individuals — unlike how the Biden DOJ indicted Oath Keepers, Proud Boys, etc., by naming and shaming in headlines: “I find it very strange that their names are not listed.” ([29:47])
  • Demand for accountability: unanimous call to “take it to the limit” on consequences ([30:00])

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3. Maha Wellness, RFK Jr., and the Vaccine Debate

Segment: [33:25–43:40]

Key Discussion Points

• Maha (Make America Healthy Again) Movement

  • RFK Jr., as Secretary of HHS, represents the health reform wing focusing on vaccines, food dyes, water, and environmental toxins, with populist appeal in the 2024 election: “A lot of wins...on food dyes, the public drinking water, a new real food pyramid, recommendations on vaccines...I don't want to discount all of the wins.” – Sarah ([37:18])

• Growing Frustration and Bureaucratic Roadblocks

  • Dr. Robert Malone recently resigned, suggesting the West Wing is blocking broader vaccine reforms; “RFK has essentially probably gone as far as they’re going to let him go...” ([35:40])
  • Concerns over administration's new CDC Director (labeled “Vaccine Mandate Queen”): “It troubles me...It does feel like there's someone in Trump's ear...trying to make sure the vaccine wins don’t happen.” – Sarah ([39:56])
  • Todd: “The Art of the Deal has gotten us some wins, but it's not a moral code in and of itself. And up against the magical power of vaccines, it simply has no shot.” ([39:58])
  • The disconnect between “street cred” health advisors (Malone, Bhattacharya) and the GOP/Fox News-leaning base, many of whom still trust the vaccine status quo: “They only know what they see on Fox News. Most of them are boomers.” – Rob ([41:30])

• Will RFK Jr. Be Gone Next Year?

  • Mixed predictions on whether RFK Jr. will still be HHS Secretary by this time in 2027. General sense: unless forced out, the position may not change before the midterms. ([43:30])

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4. Listener Feedback: Faith, Culture, and Anti-Semitism

Key Segments: [53:11+]

Listener Stories, Encouragement & Risk

• Teacher’s Courage: Brittany, a school bus driver in Georgia, shares how she brings Christian books for kids and ministers to a neglected boy named Tucker. Steve and Todd commend her as a “doer,” invoking the call for personal risk and boldness in spreading faith ([55:46]).
• Mission Over Brand: Steve contrasts “building kingdoms” vs. “building a brand,” commending legacy rooted in mission and faith, not financial reward ([68:35]).
• Street Preachers at Ball Games: Discussion on whether “repent now” street preachers are counterproductive or necessary “weirdness” for authentic Christian witness ([73:05–78:14]).

Antisemitism, Online Echo Chambers, and Disinformation

• Confronting the Right’s Rising Antisemitism:
  • Connor writes about family members falling into conspiratorial Jew-hating narratives.
  • Todd and Steve highlight the dopamine-driven echo chambers and interpret much of the anti-Semitism as a product of frustration, manipulation, and online bots/trolls rather than deep-seated hatred ([80:15–94:34]):
    • Steve: “I don't think at its heart we have a significant amount of Jew haters on our side. I think we have a significant amount of people that didn’t vote for a war they’re now being told...is going to be over in four or five weeks, and now we’re on week eight, and they…can't afford [the consequences].” ([84:25])
    • Warns against allowing anger over the war to feed antisemitic narratives.

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5. Rapid Fire & Predictions (Memorable Moments)

• Eagle Songs as Political Metaphors: Each panelist links Eagle songs to the war’s political toll—Todd: “I Can't Tell You Why”, Sarah: “Lyin’ Eyes – I feel very misled”, Rob: “Already Gone – Baked in.” ([19:08–19:20])
• Alien Assassination Joke: When asked about “scientists being suicided” by aliens to prevent resistance to an invasion, panel splits between zero and high odds—Rob: “I'll go 95%. They're not aliens, they're demons. But, same thing.” ([44:26])
• Predictions:
  • Todd: Pope may be brought in for a “psyop” before US midterms ([45:34]).
  • Sarah: Predicts Rep. Ilhan Omar will be denaturalized and deported before the midterms ([45:49]).
  • Rob: Predicts Democrat James Talarico will be next Texas senator, sparking a “black pill” exchange ([46:28]).
  • Steve: Predicts Middle East war will shift right-wing debates from antisemitism to the question of “how or if to align with Islam” in American politics ([47:05]).

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Notable Quotes

• “This feels like it happened overnight. All of a sudden we were bombing them, and nobody knew anything about why or when or where or what.” – Sarah Gonzalez ([06:31])
• “There’s absolutely no path to victory. There wasn’t a path the day that it started.” – Rob Eno ([13:05])
• “The art of the deal has gotten us some wins, but it’s not a moral code in and of itself. Up against the magical power of vaccines, it simply has no shot.” – Todd Erzin ([39:58])
• “I don't think at its heart we have a significant amount of Jew haters on our side... I think a lot of it is just people, frankly, are just pissed off and tired of going to war in the Middle East.” – Steve Deace ([47:05], [84:25])

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• [03:42] – Opening Iran War Discussion
• [06:05–10:05] – Sarah on lack of strategic clarity and domestic fallout
• [12:11–14:59] – Rob on historical follies and War Powers deadline
• [19:08–19:20] – Eagles song metaphor
• [22:34–30:05] – SPLC scandal, indictment
• [33:25–43:40] – Maha, RFK Jr., vaccine politics
• [53:11+] – Extended Feedback Friday listener mail, on faith, risk, and community
• [80:15–94:34] – Antisemitism and culture war on the right

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Final Takeaways

The episode delivers a wide-ranging, free-form dissection of contemporary conservative politics, dominated by skepticism about America’s war posture, the health bureaucracy, and the capacity of government institutions to deliver real accountability. The hosts balance ironic detachment (“lion eyes,” “already gone,” “it's over”), nostalgia for principled conservatism, and a strong call to personal engagement and risk—both spiritually and politically. While despair permeates some assessments (“black-pilled” pronouncements), there are also moments of hope centered on grassroots action, faith, and the possibility of reshaping the narrative—if not the institutions themselves.

Transcript

[A]

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[B]

Yeah, thanks for having us.

[C]

Long commute, walk downstairs.

[A]

It was. Yes, yes. So the format this time with no Aaron, it'll be a little different. Some of the montages and stuff that we typically do, we will not have. So this is going to be kind of a very informal element, free roundtable discussion on the events of the week. And we're just going to kind of free flow this and I'm going to facilitate it as best as I can and let the audience hear you guys interact with each other as much as possible on the issues we're about to discuss. You guys ready to go?

[C]

Ready to go.

[A]

All right, Todd, are you ready to go?

[D]

Always.

[A]

All right. All right, let's get to it. Let's start with issue one. It's day 56. All right, so Todd, you and I are old enough to remember when we were little kids watching the Walter Cronkite countdown on the nightly news every night of the. Well, it's or you, Rob, of the Iranian hostage. We of course are gentlemen, so we will not even begin to ponder what Sarah Gonzalez's age is. All right, so the three of us men are clearly, if you look at us, we are clearly old enough.

[B]

21 forever, obviously.

[A]

Right? Well, I wasn't going to say it, but okay. You know, fellow self, they hold these truths to be self evident. Sarah. All right, all right. And so the three of us are old enough to remember as little kids, right? Uh, getting dinner. We slide dinner as families around the kitchen table. Walter cronkite on the TV. Day 295, day 314, right. Of the Iranian hostage crisis, right. It's day 56 of the Iranian war. All right? Now it's, it's a war literally nobody voted for. Nobody ran on this, nobody voted for this. All right? But now that we're in it, I kind of feel like, you know, we absolutely have to win. I'm not exactly even sure what that Is frankly, I just know that there must be a perception that we won, all right? And it can't be. I mean, Trump is maybe the greatest brander in all of American history, or at least the greatest BRANDER not named P.T. barnum. Okay? So it can't be just the Trumpian branding. It's gotta get down into the normie water table. When this is all said and done, it's gotta get down into the normie water table that everyone can look at it and say, all right, yeah, I can see that this was worth our while for. However, fill in the blank, long distraction. This is because today is the eighth week now that we are involved in this war. So how do we get to this satisfactory conclusion? Let's start with that question. Right? And we say this up front. We all understand here that the Commander in Chief knows more about this than we do, that the Secretary of State, Marco Rubio, who's also the. I think he's also the National Security Advisor, Secretary of War Pete Hegseth. We know that they all know more than we know. So we can only though, opine on what we do know. Right. All right. So with that caveat there, the question now has been. Has been tossed out. How do we get to what everybody that we need to vote for us or who would even consider voting for us in November would view this as a satisfactory conclusion? How, let alone what is it?

[B]

I mean, I think that you have to start first by referring back to what you just said, which is, I don't think that they've properly communicated what the actual objective is. And if they have, I certainly missed it. So I don't even know how to answer that question because first I would have to know what the objectives are. And we haven't even been given that information. And I get it. Some of the things they gotta keep close to the chest.

[A]

Sure.

[B]

But you also, when you.

[A]

I mean, probably, if Norman Montana knows everything we're doing, we're probably not gonna win. I think we can all stipulate to that. Right?

[C]

Okay.

[A]

Right.

[B]

Right. Exactly. So. But I mean, at a certain point, if you are willing to go to war with a foreign country, you have to be willing to tell the American people what the plan is. And it doesn't really feel like there's a plan. It. This feels like it happened overnight. All of a sudden we were bombing them, and nobody knew anything about why or when or where or what. And so I just. Obviously, I'm not a foreign policy wonk, but I would just go back to, you know, Instead of pretending I am, I would just echo what you said, Steve, which is, this is not what I voted for. This is not what MAGA voted for. This is not America first, which is what we were promised. We were tired of the endless wars, the. That we had under the Biden regime, wanted to string out Russia and Ukraine forever and use our money to do so. And our vote for Donald Trump and his administration was a vote against that. So I don't know what it is that they need to do, but what I do know to be true is that I sent a text message to my husband earlier this week when I filled up my gas tank and it was a picture of the pump and it was $85. And I said, I did not vote for this. I did not vote for this. I did not vote for these high gas prices. I voted quite literally against all of these things that are happening right now with regard to Iran war and the, obviously the higher gas prices that is a result of that. So I don't know what it is, but what I do know is they need to figure it out quick. And now, because the palpable, you know, passion that we felt in November of 2024 when we headed into the ballot boxes is like, on life support right now. And if they don't figure it out really quickly, they've got no shot at the midterms. Just none.

[A]

All right, let me come back to you for a follow up then, because. Because of what you just said. Hey, I'm not a foreign policy wonk, you know, then you're actually kind of the ideal person on our side to be asking this question. What is satisfactory? What's a satisfactory outcome to you? What is it? Because. Because I don't think. I think we're so far into this, and maybe you can disagree if you want. I don't think we can now just go ahead and pull up stakes and say, all right, we did. We're good here. I think there's. We have a. We're trying to massage a dual alliance here. All right? We've got the most extensive Arab alliance on one hand we've ever had. They're tired of the Iranian regime. The Israelis are generationally t of the Iranian regime. You don't get the Israelis in the Arab world on the same side very often. We do have that right now.

[B]

Sure.

[A]

Right. You don't want to. And we obviously don't want our commander in chief to just walk out of there and say, well, my people got tired, the polling got bad, he looks weak. Like, then Why'd you ever do this in the first place? Right. All right, so. So that's the conundrum here. Okay, so what is. What would say to you that this is a satisfactory outcome?

[B]

I mean, I would say that being able to put himself in a position where there's something. There's some whatever, final thing he does, whether it's they come to the table with negotiations or there's one final strike or whatever, however they can spin that as a win. Because obviously this is all about optics, right? However they can spin that as a win. I think you're like, okay, we've spun this as a win. We can quietly back up. I mean, I don't know what the, you know, what all the relationships are with all of these other countries, but what I know is that certainly I don't want more troops going there, and I certainly don't want this back and forth. I mean, it might not be so much as a problem if we didn't have all of these sleeper cells who entered our country under the Biden reg are now waiting for retaliation. So the quicker we can wrap this up without any of this, you know, back and forth. Every single time something happens and we bomb them, we've got another sleeper cell over there with a suicide bomber vest, you know, going to your local church. I just think the sooner that they can just take whatever off ramp, get a. Get a quick win, take the off ramp, use that, spin it however you can, and we can avoid all of this.

[A]

That is a great segue. Rob, to what I wanted to ask you about, because Todd and I yesterday spent an hour on Theology Thursday walking through just war theory and applying it to Operation Epic theory. And the first four criteria that kind of deal with the moral basis. We thought that given Iran's history and what we also know about radical Islam, whenever it's hegemonized within a culture, that the first four criteria about a moral basis were pretty solid. It was the last two criteria of what's the success look like? What's proportionality look like? That is where we were like, that's kind of. We don't really know how to answer that. Right. Is that it could affect fair, accurate assessment. Todd. Of our conversation yesterday, because. And one of the things I said to Todd, I want to get your take on is, listen, if we wanted to fully end the Iranian regime, it would have been over in 30 minutes or 30 days. Okay? We have the overwhelming force to do that. You saw that in Iraq, you saw that in Afghanistan. We have the overwhelming force to End them. Look at the amount of damage we've done. And we're frankly trying to fight a war that doesn't upset the conservative blogosphere and normie voters at the same time. And we've essentially, you know, eliminated most of their high command from afar. If we truly wanted to topple them, we could. The problem is what comes after that. That's what we learned in Afghanistan, that's what we learned in Iraq.

[C]

There's 90 million in Syria.

[A]

Yeah, yeah, there's 90 million. While Israel and the Arab world are both aligned. They don't like Iran. Something tells me the Arab world and Israel don't necessarily agree then on what they would like to come next. Right, right. Israel's going to want a way more secular liberal democracy and the Arab world's going to be like, that's not our jam kind of a thing. All right. You know, and so that's the conundrum is what it would take to end this and decisively. We really don't have the resolve for as a people, we don't know how to. We are not. We can't handle our own existential issues, let alone govern the nation half a planet away of 90 million people. Our current allies that are with each other on the enemy would not then agree on what to do after the enemy is gone. And so this is kind of the poker game that's being played here, you know, and that's kind of our read of why it's hard to figure out what the satisfactory conclusion is. What do you think?

[C]

Yeah, I don't think there is a satisfactory conclusion. Cuz I don't think there was a satisfactory answer to go in. This ends next week. It's ended now. We are in a ceasefire. I don't think the President or the administration knows how to keep it going. I think they see the polling and April 29 is the 60th day under the War Powers act that if they do not get congressional approval, the war has to end. And I think that that's been Iran's negotiating ploy.

[A]

The idea stall for that long.

[C]

They're gonna stall until that long. It happens next week.

[A]

There've been a couple symbolic votes against the President's war powers already.

[D]

Right.

[C]

And I don't think you're gonna get that next week because I don't think Republicans are going to vote for it because there has not been a clear message. And you talk about all those other countries that have gone away. Say what you want about Bashar Al Assad. He protected Christians in Syria. Say what you want about Saddam Hussein

[A]

more than the current leader that we installed, by the way, that we installed, not our country, our people, our leadership installed that Syrian leader. And yeah, that's been a disaster for us.

[C]

Same thing in Iraq. I mean, we got rid of Saddam Hussein in Iraq because he dared to maybe try and take out George Bush's daddy. So we went to war with Iraq. There were never any chemical weapons. We went to war with Iraq and we got rid of that and we got in Iranian proxies who now control Iraq. And all of the Christians up and left. The Chaldean Catholic Church was one of the oldest Christian churches in the world. It is now all in Southern California. They got up and left. We do not have a history of doing this in a correct way. And there's absolutely no path to victory. There wasn't a path to victory the day that it started. I think what Donald Trump thought was he could go in, like he went in to Venezuela, take out the leader, put in somebody that would be us. But this is a 4000 year old civilization that have been fighting, that have been fighting with each other since the dawn of history. This is not Venezuela. You take somebody out, you give them a little bit of money, and what do we do? Like we normally do, we killed someone's dad, they got mad. And now the regime that is in power is worse than the regime that we took out. And that is what's happened. And with gas, I mean, gas prices have actually come down around here a little bit. They were up to like 379, they're 321 across the street. And you know, I think they look like they're coming down. But it's not just gas prices, right? It's all of these chemical precursors to fertilizer, everything. Food is gonna be so expensive at the end of this year, right around the election time, that I don't think anybody really understands the interconnectedness of all of this.

[A]

Unless you want to eat the instantly processed food that will drive Sarah mad. Right. The food that takes time to grow, cultivate.

[C]

Right.

[A]

Feed itself like the cows. Yes.

[C]

Yeah. Yes, I starve and die. Yes, you will take the blue number seven from my cold, dead hands. But, yeah, no, I mean, that's. We talked about this a few weeks ago. There was no reason to go into this to begin with, and it's over. I mean, there might be a couple of kinetic strikes, there might be a couple of bombing runs, but for all intents and purposes, this thing is over. April 29th is the 60 day mark and you need to have a vote. And I will tell you the one thing that Trump does and the left doesn't give him credit for everything that this administration did in the first administration and the second administration. He does believe in the Constitution and he does do things and tries to say under the law this is how I can do this. And anytime that he's been shut down, including with the tariffs, I mean he had a legal justification that he thought was right for the tariffs. He got shut down. They found a different legal justification but they're not fighting giving the money back for the tariffs because it got brought down. He believes in the rule of law and everything. He does. And if he does not get an authorization, I think he will stop doing it because he doesn't have an authorization. I think that Donald Trump understands that we are a nation ruled by laws as much as the left doesn't think he is.

[A]

So Todd, let's go off of Rob's premise cause this is something different than what you and I already discussed for an hour yesterday. Is it possible that 60 day war powers resolution, is it possible that the plan here all along was we've got 60 days to wreak as much havoc on this regime as possible, to defang them as much as we possibly can, to kill as many of their leaders as we possibly can, to diminish their capacity as much as we possibly can to set back any of their whether they, how close they were to nuclear capabilities, we'll never know. We have seen them already test weaponry that is beyond what we were told before that they had. All right, I've got 60 days here before I've got to go in a midterm. And if I lose, I'm doing all impeachment next year. So I can't do it next year. So I've got a 60 day window here early in the year where hopefully things filter out enough that I've still got a chance in the fall. I've got a 60 day window here to just unleash hell on Iran as much as I possibly can without putting boots on the ground, try to diminish them as a world power as much as a regional power as much as I possibly can and then we move on. Is it possible that that was just the plan, it is called after all, Epic Fury. Was the plan just we're just going to go in and demolish as much of their war capabilities and their and their governing apparatus as much as we can?

[D]

Of course. Of course. Now it, the problem is when you, I Think Rob and I would disagree. Would. Would agree that just war theory properly applied is one thing which is ultimately all a go order. Then how far are you willing to go? Because the more evil you say you are actually dealing with, then you're not ultimately Western civilizations that went to war, even as bloody as it would ultimately came back to argue with each, to have a detente as men of the west, you're never gonna have that with Iran. So you actually have to be willing to go farther. And I do think there is. We discussed it yesterday at length. There is, I think, a clear moral path for dealing with both Iran and Islam in a military fashion. But I also know that the most likely outcome, which is where you and I ended, is something like George W. Bush doing a mission accomplished banner and then just days later, them giving, you know, a dirty bomb to somebody and, you know, coming after us. And which. Which causes everybody to be even more cynical because they said, what was the point? Why did you go over there anyway? And that's where we are stuck.

[A]

Let's get to the exit question. If the amount of damage you believe this war is doing to our side were an eagle song, which eagle song would it be? A peaceful, easy feeling. B, I can't tell you why. C, already gone. D, lion eyes. Todd, what do you think it is?

[D]

I can't tell you why.

[A]

I think it's too early to tell. Okay, Sarah, I'm going.

[B]

D, lion eyes. I feel very misled.

[C]

Already gone.

[A]

Already gone. You think that the goose is cooked.

[C]

Baked in.

[D]

See that right there. Three different answers from people like, that's.

[A]

That gets to the last two components of our discussion. Yesterday when we got into the practical outcomes of. Well, when it's over, will you feel like it's justified? Those were the questions. We all agree Iran's bad. We all agree we can't have a nuclear Iran. We all agree it's long. We don't. You're like, living this. We don't live here. You guys are watching 300 mosques.

[C]

Have you enjoyed your. Your trip to Lahore?

[A]

We all agree on that. All of us agree. What we're not really sure of is, though. So the solution would be what?

[B]

Right.

[A]

Right. Okay. All right. Before we get to topic number two, a word about our friends over at Preborn. They do such great work, and that's really because you guys have been so greatly generous with this partnership between the Blaze and Preborn over the last few years. You've literally helped them save tens of thousands of babies. That's why they keep coming back because you guys keep giving more and more and more. And today, you know, for as little, even though we're talking about how expensive everything is, still for as little as $28, you could save a baby today. And I would argue maybe save mama too, based on what we have witnessed in our culture happens when a critical mass of women commit murder against their own offspring and then harden their hearts towards forgiveness for it. And we are living under the curse of that seemingly every single election cycle now. All right, so you can give today. And what I love about preborn and why I'm so enthusiastic about supporting them is they don't just reach moms like my mom that was contemplating abortion 50 years ago and then say, hey, thank you for choosing Life. Good luck to you. You know, thumbs up. All right. No, they are there to help this new family now get started off on the right foot, right? Counseling, car seats, diapers, all that stuff. And it's all free, although we all know it's not really free. And that's where you and I come in. Make your tax deductible donation [e-mail] Steve. Again, you can make your tax deductible donation today to the five star charity known as [e-mail] Steve. All right, let's get to issue two. And that's the Southern Poverty Law center, otherwise known as Clayton Bigsby is real. All right, that's this whole thing maybe the funniest skit in the history of television. It's certainly in my all time top five is Dave Chappelle's black white supremacist skit from 20 years ago. Okay. On his show, it turns out this is all they really were, just paying off fake Klan members and installing clan members so they could then raise money off of it. Fox News had a story the other day, fundraising for the SPLC after Charlottesville. After the Charlottesville scam, okay? Fundraising for the SPLC went up 157%. A hundred. And they more than doubled, more than doubled their budget. All right. By, by milking that scam. All right, and, and, and so we've got the, the SPLC right now is under federal grand jury indictment for 11 counts of wire fraud, making false statements to banks, conspiracy to conceal money laundering. All right, so let's start with a very obvious question. All right. And because we were pretty hard, all of us to some degree, on the administration from, from the right on where things are in issue one. This is one. Now this is what we all voted for, right? We voted this is the stuff we all voted for. All right, so now how big of a deal then is this? So a bit of a layup, right? We'll give them, we'll give them a hug in return. Here, Rob, I'll start with you.

[C]

I think it's a decent sized deal. I do enjoy that. Our friend Alex Jones from just south of here was proven right. He said it that this is the SPLC doing this. Like this is like the Moms Demand Action actually funding Sandy Hook. That's the kind of thing that this is. And it is what we voted for.

[A]

What's the group? Is it Patriot Front?

[C]

Patriot Front.

[A]

The only feds production they put out there, right?

[C]

Right, yeah, only feds. Exactly. They look, Patriot Fund was dressed up like the Brooks Brother mafia from the Hanging chads series of 2000. But yeah, it is a very big deal. But again, like I said before the show with Eric Swalwell, the only surprising thing about Eric Swalwell is that he got caught. Cuz they all do it. This is the tip of the iceberg. It leads you to the black pill of everything is fake, everything is manufactured. Is anything in our government real? Is anything in the country real? Right. When you have, I mean, it's a great business development thing. Right. You know, we need to raise money to fight the white supremacists. So let's make sure that there are white supremacists. Right. Like, it is a great, it is a great fundraising.

[A]

That is literally what happened.

[C]

Yeah, it is a great fundraising. I mean, it's a great way to do this. But yeah, I think it is a big deal. I think it's interesting that it took getting rid of, you know, Mrs. Binder's pan Bondi to get it actually done.

[A]

Isn't that fascinating?

[C]

Yeah, you get, you put.

[A]

I wasn't gonna say it, but I've been thinking it. I, I think I've been saying a lot about Pam Bondi from the day she got knocked.

[C]

I, I will not say that this is my take, but the. From the dude chat, it was, oh my God, we got a white guy in charge again and something happened. You know, just saying, but I'm bummed, but I'm bum.

[A]

Yes.

[C]

But yeah, it took Pam Bondi to go away and this had it, you know, so this is. We will see what continues to happen on this. This is the tip of the iceberg. I do love the way that the left is responding. Right. You got Chuck Schumer and now I saw this ad from this thing. Did you know that Trump is prosecuting a civil rights group that infiltrates and exposes the kkk. That's how the left is spinning this.

[B]

Wow.

[A]

I saw a meme today, Todd. An account. I don't know, but it was anon account. But the guy said it was a picture of him running away from a mass army of retards. Okay. And he said, me, after I go over to Blue sky to tell them that the SPLC has actually been funding the Ku Klux Klan this entire time.

[C]

My favorite was kind of dark. It was Elmo with a couple of African American Muppets. And it said, can Elmo say the word now that the SPLC paid me $270,000.

[A]

Oh, that's brutal. Brutal.

[C]

That was a brutal one.

[A]

So, Todd, how big of a deal is this?

[D]

Probably isn't. It should be, but Doge Epstein files save act all things now.

[A]

We have indictments here, though. We actually have criminal indictments. But I hear you. I hear you.

[D]

Well, again, we just talked about go orders. That's the. Now, how far are you willing to go? Because, for example, on the board of Southern Poverty Law center is the Secretary of state of the state of Michigan. This can go as deep as we want to.

[A]

Absolutely.

[D]

How often do we want to go deep? Never. I'm just not gonna hold my breath. Honestly. They're gonna find them guilty. We let murderers and rapists out all the time. Okay. They're gonna find him guilty, and then they're just gonna let you know, puff, puff, pass, man. Puff, puff, pass this. Yes. We should be perp walking them in the streets. It should be that Donald Trump who says, lock up Hillary. But I'm just. I gotta see it.

[A]

So this comes to what you were talking about, Sarah, in that. Here's what you we did. I'm getting the biggest tax refund I've ever gotten in my entire life. And I just paid the most in taxes I've ever paid from an income perspective than I ever have the. In my. I voted for that. Right. This kind of accountability. I voted for this. Now, if there was. Think about, you know, you and I host daily shows here at the Blaze. If there were no Iran war right now. Right. And how much more coverage would would the massive tax refunds people are getting right now?

[B]

Sure.

[A]

And then this uncovering and indicting this scandal, what would be the level of media and coverage and freak out on their side, which would be good for the normies to see? How much is that getting drowned out because of what's going on in Iran?

[B]

Well, a Lot of it. But I would also place that at the feet of Republicans that are in charge right now because they could be doing a much better job of messaging to the constituents about the tax refund. And I don't. I'm just not seeing that. I'm not seeing it being delivered in a way that really resonates with people because they're paying higher gas prices. Because as to Rob's point, you know, things are less affordable. We've got this, what. We're short only 10 million homes in this country. So I just think that part of that problem is the Republicans. Messaging is practically nonexistent. And where it does exist, it's just not good. And historically, it's just not been good for Republicans. But I would say, and I hate to be like a wet blanket, because I do think that this is good and we did vote for accountability. I need to see the follow through. Because what I can tell you that I found to be very fascinating with this particular indictment is that you'll notice on the top of the indictment it says the United States of America versus Southern Poverty Law Center. Like Southern Poverty Law center is not going to go to prison there. They are people within the organization who are included in that indictment, whose identity they are hiding. Now, I want you to go back to the Joe Biden regime and I want you to think about the indictment against the Oath Keepers and the indictment against the Proud Boys. Did it say United States of America versus Proud Boys? No, it said Enrique Tarrio, Joe Biggs, Stuart Rhodes. It listed their names. To name and shame them and to destroy their reputations and to destroy their careers. And I would argue for far less than what we're talking about here, because it was all just weaponization of these federal agencies.

[A]

Maybe, maybe these things are, frankly connected we may find moving forward.

[B]

Right, Exactly. Maybe so. So all I'm saying is, I'm not saying that. I mean, injected into my veins the headline that the SPLC is now getting busted for all of this. I'm so happy to be vindicated when we're all like, hey, looks like Fed boy Summer over there don't show up at these rallies. It's quite odd that these people that are pulling out these Nazi flags with the creases, the fold creases, from pulling it out from the Amazon bag three minutes prior. Probably don't show up there. But I just, I want to see the follow through because I don't like it that the prior administration had no problem naming all of these people. And now in this indictment they're hiding them. They're known as field sources. They're known as high level employees of splc. I want to know their names. I want to know who took the money. And I find it very strange that their names are not listed there.

[A]

All right, real quick, if this were an eagle song, all right. On the kind of accountability we want to see moving forward. A Tequila sunrise B Take it to the limit C Life in the fast lane D, Heartache tonight. What are you going with Todd Quick.

[D]

Take it to the limit.

[C]

Take it to the limit.

[B]

Ooh, take it to the limit.

[A]

Well, some optimism maybe. Okay, we'll come back. We're gonna do a maha wellness check after the conversation we had with Robert Malone earlier this week. Stay tuned. The truth straight, no chaser. Steve dase on the blaze radio network. You know what? They got the same book here in Pat Gray studio that he's kindly letting us borrow right now. It's called an unholy alliance from Dr. Michael Youssef. He, of course, grew up in the Middle east, holds a PhD in cultural anthropology. He goes back through 1400 years of cultural jihad. Explains why it's now merging with leftism. How is it you can't be a queer in Palestine but you're wearing a shirt that says Queers for Palestine? How is this possible? He explains it all. Connects all those dots of the red green alliance and then has a six point action plan that we could actually use to respond to what's happening in places like Texas, where we are today, that now has over 300 mosques. All right, so get ready for the battle ahead. Get your copy today of An Unholy Alliance, How Progressivism Brought about in Islamist Invasion, available now from Dr. Michael Youssef. Available now today at Amazon or wherever books are sold. Again, it's called an unholy Alliance. All right, let's, since we're on the topic of alliances, right. There were, I've always viewed that there were, there were three factors that won us this last election and in particular won it at the, to the extent that we did and with the popular vote as well. All right, for the first time since Reagan, 84, we got a, we actually got a tie out of young male voters. Had not done that since 84. Reagan. No, 88. George H.W. bush was the last time because Michael Dukakis said he wouldn't even execute the guy who raped and murdered his wife. All right, so we got a tie with young men. That's the first time. That's the best we've done with that stat since 1988, we won Hispanic men by 10 points overall and had the best overall performance with Hispanics we've ever had. Okay. And so the first group that I think a lot of that was Trump going on the Theo Vaughn's, Andrew Schultz's Joe Rogan shows and reminding everybody why he was once maybe the most liked celebrity in the world. Right? That helped with the young men, the Hispanic thing. And you could probably speak to this more, Sarah. I think a lot of it is, even if folks were originally dreamers, but now they've lived here for 30 or 40 years, they're like, I don't want what's back home coming here. This, I'm an American now, you know what I'm saying? But I don't, don't bring Honduras, you know. And so then the third factor I would argue is Maha. Okay. And I think that, I think that really had a huge deal in that one to two point win in the popular vote that we got, because I think that's probably what RFK would have gotten if he had made the ballot in all 50 states somewhere between two to three points overall, probably. And so that was, if you go back to election night, you know, Trump, if he was ever, ever had an excuse to indulge his ego, he actually did not that night pivoted right away to issues and pivoted to RFK and hhs. And it was, this was a big, exciting rollout. I think for the most part, everybody was very excited by what they saw the first year. It's very clear some things are stalled now. You just had RFK Jr. On the Joe Rogan show and somehow managed to be on for two hours and never talk about vaccines. His signature issue one single time. Right. So Dr. Robert Malone was part of this ACIP committee, that's the advisory committee on Vaccine Safety and Protection that this federal judge tried to say isn't real, but then can. It's. The whole thing's very convoluted. Essentially says this board that's existed for decades, this board cannot advise because it wasn't formed properly. But then RFK Jr cannot form a board. Okay, that's, that's, that's kind of the ruling. That's kind of what it is. I know, I know. All right. And, and so Dr. Malone just got so tired of it that he resigned and walked away. And so now he is, he's been all over the media, came on our show this week and it's the first time we've talked to him really since kind of the wind down of the scamdemic and the conversation, I would say was unpleasant is maybe the way that I would describe it. He said that the administration is really not doing much at all to fight this judicial opinion that he views from the inside, that RFK has essentially probably gone as far as is they're gonna let him go on many of these issues and has kind of been stymied. He named Marty Makari by name, you know, and Marty's been on our show several times, came on several times during the scamdemic as well, but he named Marty Makari by name as kind of being one of the figures on behalf of the West Wing that's kind of blocking the vaccine stuff for as far as it can possibly go. There's some Talk of maybe Dr. Oz, I think he said, kind of just taking over, eventually HHS and rolling J. Bhattacharya into a different, I think, head of fda, where I think is where Oz is now. Right, okay. And that he thinks it's possible that RFK Jr will be out by the end of the year or to avoid a complete and total midterm collapse, they'll just wait and do it afterwards. And that he believes the root of this is the polling from the West Wing shows. And it's a mysterious poll. They wouldn't. He said they wouldn't show them the results or let them see the internals. That Maha is really not popular. And I said to him, well, that's news to me, because one of my friends is a guy named Brett Buchanan over at Signal Polling. And Brent was one of the White House pollsters for the 2024 presidential election. And he did a poll back in February that found actually the most popular slate of issues that the Republicans had going for them in this midterm cycle was actually the Maha stuff. And highlighting that that it gives them some of the crossover votes that they received in 24 and brings those people kind of back home again. All right, so again, listen, the proverb says one man's story seems true until you hear the other side. All right, so we're getting one guy's side of the story, but it's a guy who's earned a lot of street cred with the work he has done in the past. So it's certainly testimony, I think, worthy of considering. Doesn't mean it's 100%. It's not mean it's gospel. But I think it's worthy of considering, which is why we put it on our airwaves here. So with that Reaction, Sarah.

[B]

It would track for me this mysterious polling. It would track for me that perhaps it's the same people who are getting in front of Donald Trump and saying we need to slow down the mass deportations. We need to only go after the super duper, mean, scary, violent ones. We need to slow this down. So I mean it stands to reason that that probably is accurate because it's what I'm hearing from other places on other issues. I don't want to lose sight of the fact that we've had so many good, solid wins that I think deserve to be underscored. They've made progress on the artificial food dyes. They introduced a new real food pyramid which was unbelievably like way, way past due. They are cleaning up the public drinking water with the fluoride. They've changed the recommendation that hey, maybe you shouldn't inject your day old baby with a vaccine for a virus.

[A]

That is the President of the United States has said out loud, do not give 20 vaccines to your baby. Right. Like I'm embellishing. But that's basically what he has said.

[B]

Right. And they're like, maybe babies don't need the Hep B vaccine unless they're going to, you know, drug fueled ragers and sleeping around your day old baby I think is not going to do so. I don't want to, I don't want to discount all of the wins. I don't want to discount the fact that, you know, steak and Shake is out there getting enough public pressure.

[A]

I had no idea what beef tallow was until basically the day that RFK Jr got in, really confirmed, I had no idea what it was. Yes.

[B]

And now they're like, like we're cooking exclusively in beef tallow. We're eliminating seed oils and I think that that actually should be more of a signal to the administration. How popular, Maha, is the fact that all of these large corporations who don't have to be making these changes, they're not mandated. They're just doing it because they see the writing on the wall. On the other hand, you know, the, you've got the new CDC director pick, which is a little bit baffling to me.

[A]

The military vaccine queen. Vaccine mandate queen.

[B]

Yes, Vaccine mandate queen, as Aaron Siri put it, and I know he's a

[A]

friend of mine, mandated the flu shot that Pete Hagstheth just unmandated.

[B]

Yes, right, exactly. And so I do wanna just read Aaron Seri I trust on the issue of vaccines. He's done such great work on It. And he just said that it's troubling that President Trump would say that she would, quote, restore the gold standard science at the cdc, which was an absolute disaster focused on, quote, mandates under Sleepy Joe. I find that perplexing that she's gonna be the one to have the gold standard science when she's the one who pushed the mandates and with threat and force. It concerns me. It really. It very much concerns me. So we've got the solid wins, but I don't like the direction that we're going specifically related to vaccines. Vaccines, because my personal opinion, they're poisoning our children. And there's enough evidence to show that with the increase of vaccines comes the increase in all of these childhood diseases and that we didn't have before the increase of vaccines. So it's very troubling to me. As you know, I was maha before it was cool. I love the wins, and I want to keep winning, but at the end of the day, it does feel like there's someone in Trump's ear, or whoever it is, you know, in their ear, trying to prevent that. Whether it's someone who's captured from the big pharma, you know, all of the drug lobbies, I don't know. But it does feel like there is someone in there trying to. Trying to make sure that the vaccine wins don't happen.

[A]

Todd, what do you think?

[D]

Yeah, the art of the deal has gotten us some wins, but it's not a moral code in and of itself. And up against the magical power of vaccines, it simply has no shot.

[A]

US Senator says we need to practice the same medicine that George Washington did at Valley Forge. But again, we learned yesterday, no civil service advance. Nothing's occurred. No.

[D]

It's so stupid. But why does it work? Because it worked all the time before. This is what the world Sarah and I were in before COVID It worked all the time because they prey on your fears and low information. This is exactly why, in order to get the emergency authorization, they had to demonize Ivermectin just to sell poisonous product. It's why to mandate a vaccine, in order to mandate anything, it has to be to the whole population. So even though the kids weren't even threatened by this kids, you gotta take it. This is a cult, and it doesn't care if people get hurt. It's not fundamentally about health. And the most obvious thing in the world, now that Trump is kind of on his heels and we have no idea what's gonna be at the midterms, he's. You don't think the devil's gonna try to reset the board. You're damn right he is.

[A]

So, Rob. So we have enough time to get to the rest. Take a minute or two. Just take a look at this politically. All right. What would Essentially just saying, we've gone as far as we can go with Maha, at least for now. Administrations are dog years. Right. That could be what they think. Now, between now and then, like, next year, they might have a totally different opinion. Okay. Particularly if they get wiped out in the midterms. They might. Right. So analyze this whole thing politically, the way it's being handled in this. This entire discussion.

[C]

Well, as the panel's biggest shatter. I feel that I can talk about this, but. Yeah, no, I think the polling that you're talking about is probably of Fox News viewers. Right. Because that's what the administration cares about. And the problem with Fox News viewers is they only know what they see on Fox News. Most of them are boomers. And I think you talk about the 20 shots in the first few weeks. I mean, I think that people my parents age and older are like, well, we vaccinated our kids. And what was the schedule then? Like eight vaccines or nine vaccines for the first two years. They don't understand that there's dozens and dozens and dozens of vaccines that are given to kids in the first two months. And they don't believe it.

[A]

Smallpox, stuff that killed, like hundreds of millions of people in the world for so long.

[C]

Measles, mumps, rubella, Like, I got that vaccine. There were a few. I was shocked when I looked at it because I've not had kids. But when you look at the actual schedule, it's absolutely crazy. Right. And it's all driven by pharma lobbyists paying. And I think that politically that's what people need to focus on. And I think that. Saying that. But vaccines are not in and of themselves bad. But not in and of. I mean, smallpox is not smallpox now. Right. But when they're true vaccines, not when they're genetic, you know, or synthetically made genetic material that they're going to put into my cells to have my cells make something they wouldn't make naturally. Right. Like that's MRNA technology. Right. And it's funny that all the MRNA technology stuff gets swiped from the Internet as soon as they need it for the vaccines. Like, every trial for cancer ever failed right away.

[A]

MRNA technology was originally tested to be what, a genetic. A gene therapy. That's what it was originally tested for. Yeah. And you got banned for calling it a Gene therapy when they put the shots.

[D]

Right.

[A]

Let's get to the exit question real quick. Yes or no. Do you think RFK Jr is still secretary of HHS this time next year? Todd?

[D]

Yeah.

[A]

Okay, that's good. What do you think?

[B]

I'm saying yes because I don't want to think anything otherwise. Yeah. Curl up in the fetal position. The answer is no.

[A]

Yes.

[C]

Yeah. I think they're going to be too. I think that Donald Trump is going to be too busy fighting impeachment after impeachment to get rid of.

[A]

Probably don't want to have an HHS confirmation hearing.

[D]

Exactly.

[C]

Yeah, exactly. It's good. Yeah. I think the people that are going to be gone are going to be gone before the midterms.

[A]

Yeah. All right, let's get to issue four. Just quick kicker topic. We always do. So I think we're up to 12 now. Okay. 12 scientists that have mysteriously died, been murdered, suicided, disappeared. Okay. What are the odds all these scientists are being are being taken off the board by aliens who are eliminating anyone who could threaten their forthcoming invasion? What do you think the odds are? Just give me a percentage, Todd.

[D]

Zero?

[A]

Nothing? Not even one?

[D]

There's no such thing as aliens.

[A]

Zero percent. All right. What do you think the odds are?

[C]

I'll be the, the odd one. I'll go with 95%. 95%. I think they're all getting killed. Okay, but they're not aliens, they're demons. But, but same thing.

[A]

What do you think?

[B]

I'll go with one. I don't know. I don't wanna say zero because I don't know conclusively, but I just wanna let everyone. The aliens know. I come in peace. Please don't kill me. I come in peace. I just state that emphatically at first.

[A]

And I think I even said this to you, Todd, last week, to you and Aaron. A week ago, this felt like when all the egg farms were going on fire story. Right? And then it just kind of went away. And the price of eggs went down when Trump took over and no one cared again. Right. That's kind of how this fe originally, but because you said the magic term, the egg blow up story was never trending on Fox News. Sites like us talked about it. They're all over this murder story. Will Cain's all over it. It's in their primetime news coverage. So it has penetrated the version of the normie bubble on our side, the Fox News bubble. And that's what makes me think, okay, maybe there is something else going on here. Okay. All right. Let's get to predictions. Todd, go.

[D]

Even though he publicly said it would not be happening and cast dispersions on my earlier prediction, I do think they're going to still find a reason to get the Pope here before the midterms.

[A]

Okay, what do you think, Sarah, your prediction?

[B]

I think that this is another. I'm willing it into existence. Ilana, as we know, is being investigated. And I think that before the midterms, they are going to actually take action on that, which will lead to her denaturalization and deportion, deportation.

[A]

See, these are the things I can't. Like the whole. Does Desantis gonna take over? I can't contemplate these things. Cause the hurt will be too deep if it doesn't happen.

[B]

I know, but I'm just gonna say it enough times to make. Just get it out there, cuz I want it to happen.

[A]

All right, so Todd thinks the Pope's coming here to essentially run a midterm election. Psyop. That's basically what he is saying. All right, so go ahead, Rob.

[C]

What do you think? Mine's gonna depress Sarah. John, Corn.

[B]

Shut up right now.

[C]

We'll win the U.S. senate primary here and James Tallarico will beat him. Or it will also be Paxton. James Talarico is going to be our U.S. senator.

[A]

Listen, I know you guys are in the building every day and you're very busy, but I'm just telling you, man, Rob. Rob has been blackpilled. You just need to know, clearly he has been blackpilled.

[B]

What is happening upstairs that is leading you to.

[C]

No, I think Talarico is going to be our senator, no matter who gets it.

[A]

I think I don't. Here's why. I think he said too many. Before we get to the Christianity stuff. He said too many, like anti Texas things. You know what I'm trying to say? Like. Like Beto's image was completely crafted as a new jfk. No. And it was only once we got in and he was already branded that people started really looking at his positions. This guy's been on the record already so many times just. Just saying things that are anathema to the average Christian, average Texan, let alone, you know, Republican voter, that I think he might be too far branded. Okay. But I respect the black pill. I do. My prediction is whenever this Iran war ends, I think much of the anti Semitism stuff on the right will disappear. And we're going to argue, I think, and see a massive schism happen over another religion, Islam. And I think that is Actually, the, I think much of the anti Semitism stuff, there's some of it and I think. But I think a lot of it is just people, frankly are just pissed off and tired of going to war in the Middle East. And since Israel is our prime ally, they're there, there. It's kind of a runoff of sidebar of that. All right. But I don't think it's like true Jew hate much of it on our side. But I do think there will be very much substantive debate about Islam and how or if to align with that moving forward. Guys, thank you very much.

[B]

Thank you.

[A]

You both did great. That was a fun conversation. We've got more. Another hour to go. Feedback Fridays next. Your turn. Stay tuned.

[C]

This is Steve Dase on the Blaze Radio Network.

[A]

All right, back here with hour two, live and on demand here on BLAZE TV Radio. Welcome to radio and Podcast. I'm Steve Dase with Todd Erzin here in Dallas. One more hour, then we will be out of these poor people's hair. They got enough to do without, you know, taking care of us because we are high maintenance Midwesterners and everybody says that about us, particularly you.

[D]

Yeah, that's definitely all I do is great.

[A]

All right. You let us know what you think about what we. I gotta tell you, last night, making Erzin watch all three hours of the NFL draft.

[D]

Oh, I checked out. No, I didn't.

[A]

You were.

[D]

There's minimal watching. There was much mocking online and to your face. And I left early. It is such a repugnant production. I mean, really, it's.

[A]

That's the most fun I've had in a hotel room when my wife wasn't with me in many, many a moon. All right. Was subjecting you to the NFL draft last night. We stopped at Whataburger to get dinner and brought it to the hotel room. And then we got there like five minutes before it started. And it kicks off. And Todd poured himself. He says to me, if you're gonna force me to do this, I'm gonna need a bottle of wine if you're gonna force me to watch this. And when Roger Goodell comes out to kick off the draft, Todd, it's just you and I in the hotel room, just the two of us. Todd lifts up his glass and toast to all the NFL sexuals. Oh, gosh. It was. It was. It's the most fun I've had in a hotel room and my wife wasn't with me in many, many a moon. I truly enjoyed it. It was. Thank you. And I think your attempts to torment me only made it it more joyful. Yeah, I enjoyed it quite a bit. Thank you.

[D]

I was the rug that really brought the room together.

[A]

Totally agree. Totally agree. It wouldn't have felt like the draft without you. In fact, yes, you can let us know what you think about what we think via the stevedace.com inbox by emailing us steve dace.com that's D E A C E like us on Facebook, Me, we and Gab. You can follow me at Steve Dace show on x Instagram and TikTok. Don't forget to subscribe to our new YouTube channel. A show on YouTube. That's a show on YouTube. And then you can also if you're a podcast subscriber. Thank you. You guys are the biggest part of our audience. Please, if you don't mind, leave us a five star review. Tens of thousands of you have appreciate each and every one of those. Thank you in advance for that. You can also make sure to hit subscribe or follow if you're on Apple iTunes. It's the latter these days and that's how you're going to make sure that every time we do a new episode, you can be assured it is right there in your podcast feed. You can also be assured, by the way, that you're getting the best for your spring planting season from our friends over at Fast Growing Trees. They've got the largest and most trusted online nursery in the U.S. over 2 million happy customers. And here are the two keys. Well, there's three, really. That catalog makes sure that you've got everything you need for all your planting. And that's both inside and out, by the way, regardless of climate. Whatever you're looking for, they can get you what you want. Second, there's the Alive and thrive guarantee that promises that your plants are gonna arrive to you happy and healthy. And then third, you might think, how do I not make sure this thing doesn't die on me in a week? I don't have a green thumb. I don't have a green pinky. Right. That's where their trained plane plant experts come in to help you plan your landscape, choose the right plants, learn how to care for them every single step of the way. Alright, so your first step though, if you've never gone to Fast Growing trees before, get 20% off your first order right now at fast growingtrees.com by using the code DACE. And if you've ordered from them before, they they come on with us every spring planting season. They still have their you Know their everyday sales and deals you can't top anyway. But if you're a first timer and you're a little nervous, take an extra 20% off with the promo code [e-mail] Promo code DACE for 20% off at Fast GrowingTrees.com Offer valid for a limited time. Terms and conditions may apply. All right, are you ready for some feedback Friday?

[D]

It's been a bit.

[A]

It has been a bit. Let's start with this one from Brenda. She says, I've been told that Ainsley Erzin is the scholar athlete of the year nominee at the University of Arkansas. Just think maybe this should be mentioned on the air. Is this. Can you confirm or deny this rumor, Mr. Erzin?

[D]

It's correct, but it was mentioned on the air as one of my bests of the week of whenever she found this out.

[A]

So this, this email got sent to me like a few like about a month ago. All right, so I've been. We haven't had a chance to do a feedback Friday in a bit.

[D]

Roughly that time.

[A]

But. But if that was best and worst of the week, that means it only would have been on the overtime, right? Yes, that's true.

[D]

Yeah.

[A]

So this is one occasion that this needs to get out into the gen pop. That is an incredible. Just to be nominated for something like that. Yeah, that's an incredible accomplishment.

[D]

Coming up at the end of the month, early May, I believe we find out if. Because there's. What the. How many are in the SEC now? 16. So there's. She's vying against 15 other girls for the SEC student athlete of the year.

[A]

That's incredible. I mean, you guys. I mean, you two have done. You and Jill have done a phenomenal job.

[D]

Thank you. As of you.

[A]

And you know, and. And then of course, that you can only do so much. She's at the age now. She gets. She gets some of the credit now, too, because she's got to keep it going on her own. Yeah. And she's a tremendous young woman. You guys have done a phenomenal job with her. And do you know a Brenda, by the way? Did you plant her in this audience?

[D]

I did not know a Brenda. I do know that. When to your point about when I was Ainsley's age, I was not in the running for student athlete of the. The week.

[A]

No.

[D]

The day.

[A]

No, no, no, no. So that's phenomenal. Yet another honor for the Erzin family and very well earned and deserved. All right, let's go this to this note from Brittany Curry. She says, I drive a school bus here on the Georgia and Tennessee border. I go to Calvary Chapel, Chattanooga. And that's where I found out about you all on the show, because I went and spoke there a few years ago. Phenomenal church, by the way. And I listen to you guys on Pandora every single day. And I love my bus kids so much. I try to be the adult I needed when I was them as a kid. And one thing I started doing a few years ago is I keep some books and coloring books and crayons on my bus for the kids if they need something to do. My route can be long, and so some of my kids are on the bus for almost two hours sometimes. That's a long time to try to keep them entertained so that I can drive safely. So as a Jesus follower, I love that I get to spend this time with them. And among the books that I keep on the bus is includes why Easter? She's got Richie Meets the Rainbow on her bus. She is brave.

[D]

Wow.

[A]

All right, Ms. Brittany. What's an unrepentant savage? I believe. Isn't that one of my lines? And Richie Meets the Rainbow books you can read driving a school bus on the Georgia, Tennessee border, but not almost anywhere else in America. That would be among them. Yes. All right. And today, one of my third graders, she says, was having a hard time staying in his seat, as usual. And I said, hey, Tucker was his name. Come pick out a book and sit there and read, please. So he came up and he picked why Easter? This was important to me because this particular boy can be a handful. And I could tell that his relationship with most adults is not great. But this year, I've been working on having a relationship with him based on trust and on truth. I love the kid, and he's one of those kids, if you earn his trust, he'll tell you absolutely everything, right? So I hear him tell things about his life, and I know that it can be not great. His parents fight a lot. His home life can be stressful. Sometimes he tells me he doesn't want to get off the bus. He just wants to go back to school or stay with me on the bus. And it just rips my heart out because I know what that is like as a kid. And I overheard Tucker tell another student that he had never heard of Jesus a few months ago. And that opened the door for me to tell him the good news about Jesus. I love to talk about what Jesus is doing for me. When Tucker is with me, we somehow always seem to talk about Jesus. And Tucker is learning that, that I am a safe place for him to go. And God has really opened up a door with me and Tucker. So he took the book and sat down and he and his little sister were sitting on the girl side across from him. And she said, hey, I want to see that book too. And I told her to sit with him and they could read it together. Tucker proceeded to sit there, read the book to his sister the entire ride to school. Couldn't quite get it finished, but he said, Ms. Britt, could you save my page? And I did, of course. And if God can use me as messy as I can be, I know God can use anything. I also know this boy is searching for something solid. His foundation in life has been so brittle. And again, I know what that is like. And so in my head today I just started thinking about the woman at the well. And I could see Tucker, who tells every. Again, he likes to tell everyone everything, Being such an amazing disciple for Jesus one day. Thank you guys for all you do and for those books. And I want to buy the other kids books about the fourth of July when I have some extra money. Please pray for Tucker and their family. That's from Brittany Curry. That is an amazing note. And it has nothing to do with any books I've written and everything to do with Brittany and just a level of courage. I think we got a note we spent a good deal of time on a few weeks ago, didn't we, about a guy talking about, hey, there's a kid who's parents making I love Satan's shirt to school or hoodie like every day, and I'm not really sure what to do and what the solution is. And what do we tell them? You're the solution. That's. Yeah, that's why God put you there. You're the solution. Right. You know, and. There's. There's no. There's no change without risk. There's no change without the potential of suffering. There's no change without the danger of loss. And. I know there are many people in this audience doing important jobs like Brittany as a school driver, school bus driver, and are not making a lot of money and it's not getting. Things aren't getting, you know, cheaper than they were. We were just talking about that last hour, right. And I am sensitive to the fact that it can be easy for me, given where I am at, to say, hey, you so and so in the audience have. You're going to have to risk more. You're going to have to do more. But I want you to know I've committed to a lot of risks to get to where I am. I didn't just arrive to this spot. I left a very successful sports talk radio show not knowing about any future doing a broader program whatsoever. Nearly got fired several times because I was way too radical. Then when that second show got to be successful, I walked away at the height of its success, not having any idea what I was going to do next because I just felt God was calling me to go somewhere new, try something new. I had three school age children at home and a stay at home mom for a wife and I was the only income that's. I took a pretty big. I took a pretty big risk. That was 15 years ago. I, I went to some of the men that are closest to me to raise the money to make that film. It nearly killed me twice and bankrupted me and our movie almost. I mean, I. Look, I'm only saying these things to you to say I have taken a lot of risks. Some have worked, some have not. But we're all going to have to take some risks. I got a note today from an old friend of mine who said his company didn't like something he posted on social media and now they want him to take some DEI CRT sensitivity training and he lives in a red state. He says I have to do this because of what they, because they don't like what I posted on social media. And I wrote him back, you don't have to do this. No, you don't. They don't have to force you to do this and you don't have to do it. No, you don't. I'm guessing given your company's in a red state, probably wouldn't want the headline of how they behave. Might not be good news, might not be good for the brand, but that would come from some risk. On one hand, they might, they might fire you. And he's not a wealthy individual. He's. He's smart, successful, but not wealthy. They might fire you. On the other hand, they might back down because they fear the backlash. That's. There's always a risk. There's. We never are going to be able to, to make an impact without risk. There's going to be some risk. Our Lord risked it all for us. Jesus paid it all. All to him I owe. Sin had left a crimson stain. He washed it white as snow. How did he do that? He put literally every cell of his earthly body on the line. That's how he did it. His teachings how were they passed on and preserved by his apostles who went and did likewise? They followed their leader. And they also put every one of their cells on the line for his teachings and his ministry. The church fathers they inspired, many of them were forced to make the same kind of choice. If they had not done so, we would not be here today looking at the founding of our country. That's the next book I have coming out next month. Why Independence Day? America is great because God is good. And we're talking more about that when we get into the month of May. That movie comes out right after Memorial Day or that book comes out right after Memorial day. But those 56 men that pledge their lives, fortunes, and sacred honor, what makes them so unique is not just a revolution based on no king but Jesus and rights that come from God. That's. That's the first time that it ever been asserted in human history. But who those men were, they were often the wealthy. They were often the successful. They were the landowners. They knew it was going to be on their lands that British retribution would be sought. They knew it would be their ranches and their plantations and their farms that would be burned, where blood would be spilled. They knew this when they signed that John Hancock was among the richest men in all the 13 colonies. And he signed that declaration first. And he wrote it large enough so that a king they thought maybe was going blind because of syphilis or other things would still be able to read it. If they had not done that, we would not be celebrating this birthday today. We would not have the nation in the land that we have today. There's just no way to do this without risk. I think of the founder of this company, put every. Absolutely everything on the line Glenn did to form a company called the Blaze. Walked away from Fox News and put it all on the line to found this company. And it was great. Then it was not. There was some, maybe it won't work. Maybe it won't survive. Then he reinvented it. How many risks has that guy taken? There's no way to do this. There's just not a way to make the lasting impact you want to make in this world. The stuff that leaves the kind of legacy everyone within the sound of my voice really wants to leave in their most inmost being, in their heart of hearts. There's no way to do it without risk. Risk. There's just not. And some of those risks will not pay off. And then some of them really will. And some of them you'll get to see. And some of Them you won't. I raised seven and a half million dollars to make the first Nefarious film. That's what we spent in total to make that film in terms of production, budget, advertising, or P and A. All of it about $7.5 million. The film grossed over $25 million total after taxes and everything else. I saw about $48,000. The movie was based on my book. I raised all the money. I executive produced it. That's a nice chunk of change. I'm not complaining. Is it worth the two times it killed me? Nearly. The movie nearly killed me. $48,000. Would my wife and kids rather had that $48,000 that I got from the movie or me?

[D]

What?

[A]

Do you think they'd rather have you? Yeah. I do it all over again because I've got a folder sitting here on my desk and it's in my Stevestevedace.com email file and in all caps is this folder and it's titled Nefarious. And inside of this email inbox are literally thousands of emails from people all over the world who saw this film. And they were either impacted greatly by it or the film greatly impacted someone that they otherwise did not know how to reach and thought could not possibly be reached. You bet. I do this all over again in a heartbeat. Because the notes in this file, The notes in this file, the stuff that is said in this file, this is the stuff of lasting legacy. If I had walked away with $486,000 instead of $48,000, do you think my kids at my funeral would have would mention that I made $486,000 off the movie? Or when they are one day gonna get this file from me and read all these notes for themselves? You see what I'm saying? What do you think they'd mention at the funeral?

[D]

Maybe the file.

[A]

The file. And what's in here. You'd bet I do it all over again and don't regret a nanosecond that I did it the first time. What is the stuff that ultimately matters? Who is what ultimately matters? Brittany is not a school bus drive school bus driver. Her, she's an evangelist. She's a small. A apostle. She's literally building this kingdom of God from a school bus, which we didn't have too many school buses in the first few centuries of the church. But that sort of granular level of testifying and word spreading is how this whole thing multiplied into what it is today. And I think sometimes now with all of our large palaces that we've all built. And I go to church in one of those kinds of palaces. Thankfully it's one that's greatly committed to evangelism discipleship. Went and spoke. You and I were at one of those palaces just earlier this week here in Grapevine. Right. Greatly committed to evangelism and discipleship. But we can't forget though what the heart of the matter is here. And frankly we need to build those things so that we're training up more and more Britneys to go out and do what she is doing. We're building kingdoms. We're building a kingdom, not a brand. And the reason why I do it all over again. Even knowing what I know I didn't know going in, I thought for sure this movie would make me a millionaire. Had no idea it was going to nearly kill me twice. And if a billionaire I didn't previously know had not called me out of the blue on a Saturday afternoon, it would have bankrupted me. And he offered me a marketing program that he needed a test subject for. And he's like, let's test it on your movie. I'm like, I got nothing to lose except literally everything I'm losing right now. Let's go. A door I didn't even know was there. God just opened it wide and I just walked through. I do it all again because what's in this folder is not the stuff of a brand but kingdom stuff. And that's the stuff that remains. You have any thoughts on that?

[D]

My elevator speech is Faith is ultimately a mission, not therapy. If it's it's a mission, it's always going to be about God and others. And then you, like you said, will have doors open to you in return. And some may be therapeutic, but if it's fundamentally therapeutic, you're always turning inwards to yourself, to yourself, to yourself. And that as a sinner is the thing that has to be defeated and then made whole again. But only through the mission. Go do be celebrate. I mean she's a bus driver. I'd sight unseen taker has a principal in almost all the public schools across America because she's a doer.

[A]

Yep. Where do I want to go next? Let's go to this one from Steve. I'm not the most church going, Bible reading or knowledgeable Christian out there by any stretch. But I'm trying to reimmerse myself and my son into the faith. Occasionally I take my son to a ball game and since we live in the Seattle suburbs, we go to Mariners games. My question isn't specific to the games, but Just about every professional sporting event I attend, you see the people holding up the religious signs like repent now or Jesus is the answer. Answer. I've begun to wonder if these people should be our representatives. I only say this because the majority of them seem to be over aggressive and a somewhat disheveled and they seem like leftists to me. I've begun to wonder if some demonic group is paying them to annoy people and in effect scare them away from Christianity. I think my son is afraid of them. And I wonder what you all think of this approach. Do you think they are plants or just unfortunate truth tellers that maybe just don't have the right approach or messaging? You want to tackle this one first because of the two of us you would be the most likely to do one of these things.

[D]

I don't think they're plants. I think, listen, a lot of people who have been considered themselves saved, they in a lot of different ways. And a lot of them are ultimately unproductive because it isn't just about you. But I understand their life was so wretched beforehand. They've realized that if they don't hold on and white knuckle it with God, they've got absolutely nothing. And so they very much do that in a way that isn't always conducive to conversations or follow up or the first impression that may work for you. So I understand that. But I think you've got to look at it first. And this has everything to do with what I said before. Those people are on a mission and you are being put off guard emotionally. That may say more about you than about them. Because listen, sooner or later if you go all in on this thing called faith, it may not look weird the way that guy at the game looked weird to you, but I guarantee you you're gonna look weird to people because you have just forsaken the things of this world that everybody else is high and drunk on. So that's. There's a more generalized principle involved here that you actually have to. The deeper you get, you have to be more like them one way or the other.

[A]

I think that's a good starting point of this conversation, is if you're never going to avoid looking weird if you have, if you're a believer and you have been for a long period of time. Now Steve, he says he's just getting back into the faith, so let's acknowledge that. But if you've been a believer for a significant amount of time and there's never been a time you've offended Anybody. There's never been a time that you. You appalled some of your old friends or family for not doing things you used to do or going with them to do things that they still do, or you've never been considered weird that you're not willing to tag along or be a part of something. You should seriously consider whether you really have been a believer for a significant amount of time. All right? Because again, you're a citizen now of another kingdom. You operate under a different set of rules, and you're to obey the rules of this world until they conflict with the rules of the kingdom that you are really and truly a citizen of. Amen. Right. And so there's going to be some conflict there. You're good. There's going to be. You're weird, you're strange. It's. It doesn't mean we should, though. Now, I can also give the argument. And I've used this one myself, too. That is, we don't need to then make ourselves weirder on top of that. And I think maybe that's what Steve is kind of getting to now. Let's say this. There are examples of Steve, different Steve, not me, the Steve I'm talking to. There are examples of this sort of very uber provocative, aggressive approach in the scriptures. One of the most prime examples, John the Baptist and Jesus said, no man born of woman is more blessed than he. Right. So there is a time and a place for this level of confrontation out in the open. There is scriptural, you know, there is scriptural precedent for it, both Old and New Testament. Right.

[D]

Okay.

[A]

And so I think, you know, but I also think we are. We are in the era of false flags and false plants. Right?

[D]

Sure.

[A]

If you listen, can you. What is more likely, given the current condition of the culture, to repel people? If you were the Southern Poverty Law center, you wanted to drop a bunch of fake Christians, okay. Into the streets in a place, In a godless place like Seattle, and make sure they never, ever turn to the God, to the. To the Bible. That would fit every one of their stereotypes. Right. That they would instantly dismiss. Right. Okay. And I think that's probably maybe what Steve is kind of getting at a little bit. But let's make sure. And you might even be right, Steve, but let's also make sure we don't go so far in the other direction and say there's never a time to be seen as weird by this world. And there's never a time to say, you're out of time. Repent, you're out. Okay. Because we do have precedent for that. We do.

[D]

Amen.

[A]

You know, so you know what you might find interesting? If Steve, or if you're ever in a situation with these kinds of people, go up and have a conversation with them and ask them to talk them, ask them to talk about their own faith, their own conversions, their own transformations. Right. Have, see what their own testimonies are, see if there's any depth there. Right. You know, and you still may think this isn't necessarily the approach that I would take. Doesn't mean though it's any kind of a plot or any kind of a nefarious plot even you might say. Doesn't mean that it is. Doesn't mean it's not though either. Right. You know, and that's why I'd go up and you know, talk to folks. John the Baptist was loved by the common people. It was the elites that didn't really care for him too much. Right. So that's maybe the approach that I would take is I go up and see how, you know, willing to connect they are. And if all they really want to do is yell slogans, then I'd be kind of like, okay, fair and in

[D]

the moment, that's the best they can do to love their neighbor as themselves. Put God forward in any way you can.

[A]

True.

[D]

And that might be more than you in that moment.

[A]

Back with more feedback Friday in a few. The truth Straight meet no chaser Steve

[D]

Dace on the Blaze radio Network.

[A]

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[D]

all

[A]

right, ready for some more feedback Friday?

[D]

Yes.

[A]

All right. This is from Connor Culliver. I want to thank you for your expression of the seriousness of the anti Semitism and the rot that is threatening my generation. I have close family members that have rapidly become obsessed with Jews being behind all the problems in the world like it's truly an addiction to them. Almost every conversation, no matter the subject, magically finds a connection to the Ashkenazi Jews, the Weimar Republic, Jews in the banks, Jews in porn, Jews in transgenderism, Jews in leftist activism groups, Jews in pedophilic circumcision practices, etc. The othering is often tied to all the other ethnic minorities as well. But these other minorities don't receive the same ire and blame that the Jews do for their grievances. The commonalities between the individuals falling into this are thus, number one, haughty eyes. From their secret knowledge. Theirs is a pride that comes with being in the know on the alleged truth they propagate. It becomes addicting for them to become like a one string banjo. That's a great reference. Number two, spreading strife among brothers. The tongue, as we know from the book of James is deadly. Luther wanted to take the book of James out of the Bible. Did you know death did they don't death that did not death trying. I don't know what it says about Protestantism that trying to appeal to Protestants on the basis of why don't you follow the traditions of a man may actually work. It doesn't speak. Well, I'll just say that, right? If there's one person, if there's anyone on earth that's ever lived who should say don't just take my advice for everything. You'd think it'd be Martin Luther just saying. Anyway, spreading strife among brothers. The tongues, as we know from the tongue, as we know from the book of James is deadly. The group has no apparent desire to tame their tongue when it comes to slandering others, attributing motivations and endless accusations because they truly think they know the motivations of everyone else's hearts. Number three, sitting in the seats of scoffers. And Steve, you addressed this in an excellent way several weeks ago when you Talked about accountability from Todd. Where's the person in these individuals lives that they allow themselves to be accountable to? Is there even an inkling of self awareness that we all need correction? This principle drives them into echo chambers. Number four, the tickling of the ears or the echo chamber. Because of the three traits above, the only place these individuals want to spend their time is with the affirming social media algorithms. Constant doom scrolling. Thank you guys for being consistent and biblical in how you deal with these difficult topics. Do you have any thoughts on what Connor said before I address it?

[D]

Well, I do think the sense of meaning and purpose that they get from being in the know is right over the target.

[A]

And when these devices, well I don't have mine in my hand but with these devices in our hand that, that you can get that dopamine hit, it never goes away. You constantly can see what's trending and did people respond? What do they think of me and what I post? There's never been more of an opportunity to be more me centered than right now.

[D]

Now when you talk to these people you gotta find out if it's just pure grift or if there's a genuine seed of just trying to find some sense of real meaning and purpose in a world that's addicted to comfort and fluff. Because I do think that people who are genuinely looking for the light oftentimes take a fork in the road that is more prone to darkness and you are very much over the target. But it is a one to one thing. You have to talk to each one, which is what you finding out. Steve. Steve has not treated Candace and Tucker the exact same way. He had to vet them for exactly what I'm talking about because their motivations aren't the same. And so that's your chore. As you take this knowledge that you have in one to one relationships.

[A]

I think you also have to be willing to understand why people have the perspectives and opinions that they do. Right. So we have. Let's go back to three dimensional thinking which we haven't talked a lot about in recent years. But it's one of the bedrocks for everything I do for how I do this show every day, the kind of public speaking I do, the kind of writing I do. All right. Dimension one. Know why you believe what you believe? Can you defend your own belief system? Can you defend it? Number two, know why other people believe what they believe? Where are other belief systems coming from? Right. Like when you saw me go right at Tucker a couple of weeks ago saying well did you know, Muslim. Actually, just last week, Islam venerates Jesus too. Well, they do so by claiming he was never crucified, therefore never resurrected. And since the entirety of the Resurrection is the entirety of Christianity's case, if they can't, either one of us is wrong, one of us is right, we can't both be right. Right, we can both be wrong, but we can't both be right. It's not the same narrative. And he said, well, you know, Muslims believe Jesus is a great prophet that will return. Yeah, they do. And kill all of you who believed he was God's son. That's what they believe. Left out a few details. Okay, so why was I able to do that? Because I know what other people believe. Not just what I believe, but what other people believe. I see most of these folks online. I'm like, I know the belief system you claim to have better than you do. These are just tropes to you. It's not even a belief system. You're just repeating tropes. And are these people even real? We don't really know. You know, third, know why other people believe what they believe about what you and I believe believe. What are their assumptions about Christianity? Where are they coming from? Or literally about anything. Like, you know, if you understood how much of a. How much the Weimar Republic destroyed what was left of the civic pride and identity of the German people after World War I, you could then now understand why they fell for the voice of the uber strongman, the ubermensch, and Adolf Hitler. That does not mean they get off the hook. That's not what it means at all. They paid a very dear penalty for this. Their nation was completely, nearly completely destroyed. What it does mean, though, is it helps us to learn lessons how we therefore, by the grace of God, go I. How can we then therefore not follow in history's footsteps in our own way, with our own darkness and nihilism later? And that's why I said earlier, I don't think at its heart, we have a significant amount of Jew haters on our side. I think we have a significant amount of people that didn't vote for a war they're now being told, or they were told was going to be over in four and five weeks. Now we're on week eight, and they don't know when it's gonna be over. And like Sarah Gonzalez, who sat in that chair just an hour ago, you know, texting her husband Steven, you know, pictures of $85 gas bills they can't afford. I think that. And I think you go looking for answers cuz it doesn't make any sense. Right. Why would Trump do stuff that is hurting him politically? There must be something, some secret, you know, dot connect. And oh by the way, we also just, you know, we, we just live through an intelligence community that's telling us that Iran has nuclear weapons or wants to. They also told us it wasn't Hunter Biden's laptop. They also told us that, you know, Vladimir Putin had a pee tape that essentially made Trump his compromise. Right, they told us that. And that we were going to find stacks and wads of vials of weapons of mass destruction somewhere in Baghdad. Right, they told us that too.

[D]

They did.

[A]

See, I think you need to understand where people are coming from, do understand why they are getting to where they are because you can't persuade folks until you truly understand why they are thinking the way that they are. If you just respond instantly, all the time, as if they're a one dimensional being, they'll dig in their heels a lot of the time even more. All right. Now a lot of times online with anons I will just absolutely mollywop them.

[D]

Yes.

[A]

But here's why I do that one. I think most of them are probably not real people. We're going to have a story that we're going to talk about next week when we get Aaron back of this like leading thirst trap, conservative nurse and online influencer and it turns out just some guy in India made the whole thing up. Also, I think too many of our people are like intimidated by this hoard of what could be bots, what could be just trolls. We don't know. Right. And therefore, so I think, I think it is necessary for someone like me who has a significant public platform, it's necessary for me to set an example by just going in right in the face. Don't be afraid. See what I'm trying to say? Yeah. Do not be afraid of these scrubs. They're probably not even real people. Dismiss with maximum prejudice. This is like clearing out the temple level stuff here. Now you've traveled with me, you've been with me a lot. How often do you see me talk to real people like that?

[D]

Not the majority, no.

[A]

Even if we vehemently disagree, if you come at me sincerely, I will sincerely pay attention to what you have to say. Now if you come at me with a trope and then try to corner me, I will make you. You've seen me do this. I'll make you regret that life choice. You will not like that life choice. You'll have wished you would have tried. I should have tried that on someone not named Steve Dase today. It would have worked out better for me. But it's way less likely if we're dealing with real people that I'll do that than if we're dealing with what are likely or we may never know real people online, we're a lot. Because that's also the feeder space of a lot of this. And you kind of just have to, you know, you got to go Pope Boniface here and just take the Pope or just take the. The axe to the Odin tree here, you know, online. So there's a time and a place for all these various and different approaches.

[D]

Indeed there are.

[A]

When you're though Connor talking about family, I think, and I've heard stories like yours a million times. We probably all have. A lot of people are exhausted with Middle east adventurism. They were not told they were going to do this going in. They did not vote for this. They do not feel as if their issues are being here at home or being adequately addressed. And frankly, they're not. And they weren't before we launched this war. And then. And then on top of that, now this war has become such a distraction. We don't even have time to sell our wins right now. Many people getting the largest tax rebate checks they've ever gotten in their lives. We're actually. We made a major accountability arrest here or indictment in the last week. These are the kinds of things that if Iran were not happening right now and just sucking all the oxygen out of the White House messaging and everything else we're doing, doing, these would be the lead stories we'd be talking about everywhere on the right. And it would feel a lot more like. It felt like the first six months of last year when we were on offense and we're the ones setting the agenda and we're making the other side react to us. Right?

[D]

Yes.

[A]

Right. So this war is feeding a lot of this frenzy. And that is my concern. And that's why I aired the other concern the other day here on the show. The biggest concern I have moving forward. And it cannot happen. It just can't. I don't know how to stop it from happening. I'm not in power to. I'm just sitting here at Pat Gray's desk in, you know, suburban Dallas. Okay. But what cannot happen is we devastate Iran and the Israelis are festival, festivaling, you know, the second half of this year and we lose 50 house seats. You see where I'm going? That can't happen because everybody's. Then all these nihilists are all going to come back and say, this is what we were talking about. We warned you. See, this is what happens when the tail wags the dog and you're a schmuck for the Jews. Okay? That can not occur. All right? That, that can't happen. We have to fight for our own country within our own country. As hard as we're fighting over there, we have to do that here at least as hard. I would argue much harder because it's where we actually live. But how about one rip? Can we just go for a one to one? We're just doing it as hard. And I understand this president gets frustrated, gets frustrated with his own party. Loves to get engaged in the foreign policy arena where he can act out unilaterally so often or certainly much more often than he can domestically and can get things done. And loves the headlines in the Jerusalem Post and you know, whatever. The lead newspaper in Dubai. Can they even, even have newspapers? You know, I would assume there's a newspaper in Dubai. I have no idea. But we have, we've got to grind here at home. Home. We have to do that or we're going to feed this frenzy. We're all concerned about all the more because people now have more and more valid reasons to be frustrated. Your thoughts?

[D]

Well, bringing it back to making sure you take the opportunities and you don't turn humans into stick figures. I do know somebody personally. We haven't talked about it in a while and it's always online. He lives in a different town but has some of these thoughts about Jews. But I can always have a real conversation. He's a real seeker. And if you find one of those, mind the conversation as deep as you can and answer as many questions you can from a real person. Because I agree with Steve. They are in the minority. The majority is a bunch of bots and chaos artists who are just basically being the Joker in a Batman comic book.

[A]

You want, you want a great example of how you can be vehemently against this war and question all the methodology and stuff behind it without going into a bunch of Jew hating tropes that just are a cancer whenever they get into a culture. Go follow Jesse Kelly. He does it every day, does a great job of it, which shows, by the way, that it is possible to do it. So when you aren't doing that, then I kind of just come to the conclusion that this is just really about the Jews and you were just looking for an excuse. Yes. And this wars gave us that to you. All right. Before we get out of here. All right. And I know a lot of you guys are because I've seen it online. I've gotten some of your notes. You're like, what are we doing with this Animal Farm movie days that you're talking about from Angel Studios? Well, number one, it's one of my all time favorite stories. And number two, with its work in recent years, particularly the three fantastic films I had in my top 10 of 2025, Angels earned a lot of respect for me. Now maybe when the movie comes out, you'll go see it and find out they got completely worked over by a bunch of Hollywood libs. Maybe that happened. Happened, right. But I think based on how powerful the story is on its own, no matter who's telling it. And then also Angel's track record, I'm gonna probably need to see it that to believe it. All right, so one of the great stories in the in American literature history coming to life yet again through Angel Studios coming out on May 1st. All right, George Orwell's classic Animal Farm. Tickets available right [e-mail] animalfarm that's angel.com animal farm recommended for ages 11 and up. All right, and angel is saying, hey, this film is anti communist, anti cronyist. Right? This is exactly the kind of film that's going to prompt questions for your kids and discussions with them you want to have. So go find out for yourself. They've earned your respect, I think. All right, angel.com animalfarm we're gonna stick around, do overtime for subscribers. For the rest of you, have a great weekend. We'll see you Monday. Until then, go hard. Romans 8:28 this is Steve Dace on the Blaze Radio Network. Ryan Reynolds here from Mint Mobile. I don't know if you knew this, but anyone can get the same Premium Wireless for $15 a month month plan that I've been enjoying. It's not just for celebrities. So do like I did and have one of your assistant's assistants switch you to Mint Mobile today. I'm told it's super easy to [e-mail] Switch upfront payment of 45 for 3 month plan equivalent to $15 per month Required intro rate first 3 months only, then full price plan options available, taxes

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