DECEIVER: Tucker Carlson Has Completed His Deconstruction | 8/11/26

Summary

Steve Deace Show: DECEIVER: Tucker Carlson Has Completed His Deconstruction
Episode Date: August 11, 2026
Podcast Network: Blaze Podcast Network
Host: Steve Dace (with Todd Erzin and Aaron McIntyre)

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Episode Overview

This episode of the Steve Deace Show tackles two dominant themes:

1. New Revelations from Fauci’s Phone and what they mean for public trust, vaccine policy, and political accountability.
2. A Comprehensive Takedown of Tucker Carlson, arguing that Carlson's latest public stances represent a destructive deconstruction of prior conservative values and a descent into dangerous revisionism and nihilistic contrarianism.

A special segment features an in-depth interview with Dr. Scott Atlas, former COVID advisor to the Trump administration, who discusses the failures of public health leadership, the collapse of institutional trust, and the paramount importance of accountability.

The show maintains a snarky, confrontational, and occasionally darkly humorous tone, blending deep principled conservatism with strong Christian undertones.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Fauci’s Phone and the 'Broken Seal' on Vaccines

[00:01–05:50]

• New Evidence: Senator Ron Johnson obtained Dr. Anthony Fauci’s government iPhone, revealing Fauci privately warned top officials in Jan 2021 that second vaccine doses might cause cytokine storms and potential miscarriages—while publicly downplaying those risks.
  • Quote (Fauci, via text, Jan 2021): “Since many people have significant cytokine storms and fever after the second dose, this theoretically could be associated with miscarriage in the first trimester.”
• Public vs. Private Messaging: Contrast between Fauci’s private caution and the public recommendation (by CDC/American College of Obstetricians and Gynecologists, ACOG) for pregnant women to take the vaccine.
  • Audio montage of Fauci endorsing vaccines for pregnant women, despite internal warnings.
• Miscarriage Data Breakdown: Aaron McIntyre analyzes a 2021 NEJM paper, critiquing the methodology and revealing an “82% miscarriage rate” for first and second trimester vaccinated pregnancies—versus an expected 3%.
  • Aaron McIntyre [02:24]:
    “So the proper percentage is 104 miscarriages divided by 127 [first/second trimester vaccinations]. An 82% miscarriage rate...they knew it. They're not that stupid. They're just that devious to play with the statistics that way.”
• Wider Evil and Consistency: Steve Dace expands to legislative issues (e.g., pending late term abortion laws) and slams the moral trajectory of policy elites.
  • “This is the first time in human history we punish the young to spare the old. Even if you take all their claims at face value...never before.” [55:20]

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2. Policy Changes: Trump’s New Executive Action on Vaccines

[06:10–18:00]

• President Trump’s Announcement: Executive order rolling back the federally recommended childhood vaccine schedule from over 70 down to 11 (levels last seen in 1980s America).
• Debate on Incremental Progress:
  • Todd Erzin asserts this is a “big win,” especially considering the decades-long trend—to be celebrated, not disparaged for lack of permanence.
  • Hosts discuss how cultural opinions on vaccines shifted, even among skeptics and normie conservatives (Megan McCain cited as proof of mainstreaming concern).
  • “We just don’t view losing slower as incrementalism...But we’ve always been in favor of incrementalism if we’re actually moving the ball.” [16:13, Todd Erzin]
• Philosophy of Political Hope:
  • Dace notes Jesse Kelly’s maxim: “Do you see Trump as the end result or the first step of something?”
  • “If you view him as the first step, you'll have a more optimistic view.”

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3. Collapse of Trust in Expertise and Authority

[31:19–47:44 | Dr. Scott Atlas Interview]

• Massive Systemic Failure:
  • Dr. Atlas recounts first-hand the failures in federal pandemic leadership—how both Fauci and Birx “didn’t know the data” and operated from an uncritical, bureaucratic, and unscientific stance.
  • Atlas [32:04]:
    “The leader of the federal response was Deborah Birx, his underling. But Fauci was the most influential...Lockdowns and school closures, they failed. More than a million extra Americans died...compared to if we would have done what Sweden did.”
• Consequences Beyond Death:
  • Long-term psychological, economic, and social harm cited, including the destruction of institutional trust and expertise at large.
• Necessity of Personal & Public Accountability:
  • Atlas and Dace agree that public reckoning is essential; lying under oath, funding forbidden research, and abrogating informed consent are all cited potential crimes for which figures like Fauci must be held responsible.
  • Atlas [43:50]:
    “There’s no such thing as a free society...if you’re forced to inject a drug into yourself or your child...that is completely antithetical to a free society.”
• Restoring Trust:
  • Atlas prescribes public transparency, personal responsibility, and an ethos of informed consent as the only path back.

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4. The Tucker Carlson “Deconstruction”

[62:02–End | ‘Deconstructing Tucker’ Segment]

• Premise: Dace argues that Tucker Carlson, formerly admired, has become a “wolf” who now revises and deconstructs even his own prior work, embracing revisionist and even dangerous positions.
• Key Examples and Riffs:
  • Holocaust and Churchill Revisionism:
    Clip: Carlson compares Netanyahu to Hitler, claims Hitler never sought to exterminate a bloodline; attacks Churchill for WWII conduct and modern multicultural Britain.
    • Dace: “Can someone with a single digit IQ explain to me how Winston Churchill is responsible for the Islamic infiltration of the United Kingdom in the 21st century?...It’s the same arguments leftists make. Tear down the past.” [68:45]
  • Book of Esther/Persian Genocide:
    Clip: Carlson misrepresents the Book of Esther as a “genocide of Persians” and calls its inclusion in the Old Testament “controversial.”
    • Dace: “You’re probably shocked to hear that the Book of Esther is really about a Persian genocide when…it was actually a member of the Persian kingdom, a guy named Haman, who was trying to genocide the Jews.” [76:49]
  • Minimizing Islamic Terror:
    • Carlson: “I don’t know anyone in the United States in the last 24 years who’s been killed by radical Islam.”
      Hosts ridicule this, noting numerous domestic terrorist attacks.
  • Hunter Biden Laptop Culpability:
    • Carlson floats the idea that Israeli operatives foisted the Hunter Biden laptop story.
    • Dace: “We’re at the point Tucker’s now deconstructing his own work, saying the Jews made him do it, the Bidens are really the persecuted people here. We’ve reached rock bottom.” [90:22]
• Dace’s Framing:
  • “Feed the sheep and shoot the wolves.” Dace presents Tucker as a Marcionite-level heretic, spiritually and ideologically, arguing that such revisionism is a direct threat to the conservative-Christian movement.
  • “If no one else wants to take turns confronting wolves…I will gladly do it myself.” [82:30]
• Call to Action:
  • Repeated exhortations for pastors and Christian leaders to confront deception and nihilism head-on, for the sake of their flocks.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• Aaron McIntyre [02:24]:
  “An 82% miscarriage rate...[for vaccinated pregnant women in first and second trimesters]. That is shocking. They knew it. They're not that stupid. They're just that devious to play with the statistics that way.”

• Dr. Atlas [34:28]:
  “There's a destruction in the trust and expertise...the pendulum swinging pretty wildly...to the point of saying no expertise is legitimate, no training matters, no scientific data is legitimate. I'm very concerned about that.”

• Todd Erzin [15:40]:
  “It was unthinkable even three years ago that this would occur...the idea we'd be sitting here and essentially rolling back the last four decades of the childhood vaccine schedule was unthinkable.”

• Steve Dace [90:22]:
  “Tucker’s now deconstructing his own work. His own work. And he's saying, hey, the Jews made me do this—the Bidens are really the persecuted people here. We've reached rock bottom...”

• Dr. Atlas [43:50]:
  “There is no such thing as a free society that is ethical if you’re forced to inject a drug into yourself or your child.”

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Important Segment Timestamps

• Fauci Phone Revelation and Analysis: [00:01–05:50]
• Trump’s Executive Action on Vaccines & Cultural Impact: [06:10–18:00]
• Incremental Progress in Conservative Policy: [15:40–17:57]
• Collapse of Trust in Institutions (Atlas Interview Begins): [31:19]
• Atlas: Accountability & Informed Consent: [34:28–47:44]
• Deconstructing Tucker (Segment Begins): [62:02]
  • Revisionism on WWII & Churchill: [68:04–73:59]
  • Esther/Persian Genocide Misrepresentation: [74:09–78:30]
  • Minimizing Radical Islam: [79:30–85:32]
  • Hunter Biden Laptop Reframing: [87:58–92:54]
• Final Calls for Leadership & Christian Response: [93:49–95:42]

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Concluding Perspective

• The episode argues that we are living through a critical turning point in both policy and cultural understanding, particularly about vaccines, authority, and the boundaries between healthy skepticism and corrosive nihilism.
• Dace et al. urge listeners to take heart in small and large victories (e.g. vaccine policy rollback), seek and demand accountability, and not fall prey to despair, cynicism, or destructive revisionism—especially as embodied in the “deconstruction” of prior movement icons like Tucker Carlson.
• Throughout, the podcast maintains its signature mix of sharp analysis, dark humor, and unapologetic advocacy for transparently Christian, conservative values.

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For Listeners Who Haven't Heard the Show:
This episode is a whirlwind tour of the latest pandemic-era revelations and their seismic impact on trust in medicine, government, and media. It's also a passionate, sometimes brutal, rebuke of former allies who, in Dace's view, have abandoned principle for contrarian nihilism. Expect rapid-fire dialogue, deeply personal reflections, policy wonkery, theological invocations, and a series of rhetorical body slams.

Transcript

[Steve Dace]

It's the Steve Day show. And here's what happened while we were away, brought to you by a black hole, also known as Anthony Fauci's phone. Last week, Senator Ron Johnson of the Senate Permanent Subcommittee on Investigations announced he'd obtained an iPhone used by Dr. Anthony Fauci during the COVID and pandemic of the unvaccinated era. This week we're already learning some of the contents of that phone, including the one that's catching most people's attention from late January of 2021, where Fauci told via text, then CDC director Rochelle Walensky and then Surgeon General Vivek Murthy, quote, I asked around a bit more and the issue came up that you need to be aware of. Since many people have significant cytokine storms and fever after the second dose, this theoretically could be associated with miscarriage in the first trimester. End quote. Yes. The same Fauci who said that privately was saying stuff like this publicly not long after the CDC and the acog,

[Todd Erzin]

the American College of Obstetrics and Gynecology, who used to say it is okay for them for pregnant women to get vaccinated to change now and say it is recommended pregnant women get vaccinated. So it's really one of those things that's kind of not a close call. It really is pretty clear that pregnant women should get vaccinated.

[Steve Dace]

Senator Ron Johnson absolutely excoriated Fauci on the latest revelations.

[Aaron McIntyre]

What you have to connect this to is what they were saying publicly that was contrary to that, but also what they were publishing. So you had Tom Shimon Bakuro, who we are investigating, who is the CDC head of safety Vaccine safety surveillance that praised Vaers before they trashed it during the pandemic. He wrote, we'll call it a paper New England Journal of Medicine of June of 2021. That paper is tracking 827 confirmed pregnancies. Of that there are 104 what they call spontaneous abortions. We would call it miscarriage. Now the definition of a spontaneous spontaneous abortion occurs before week 20 came up with a spontaneous abortion rate of 12.6%, which again if you comply that to all pregnancies confirmed or unconfirmed is about in the ballpark. The problem is these are confirmed pregnancies and with confirmed pregnancies, that number ought to be about 3%. So already that number is four, four times higher than it should. But here's what was so grossly misleading. Of the 827 women, 700 got their vaccination or the injection in the third trimester, 127 got them in trimester one and two, which is where the 104 miscarriages occur. So the proper percentage is 104 divided by 127. An 82% miscarriage rate with women who got the injection in the first, second trimester. I mean, that is shocking. And they knew it. They knew it. They're not that stupid. They're just that devious to play with the statistics that way. To misinform, to lie to the American public.

[Steve Dace]

Unless you think this level of evil is rare or transient or impossible in our country. May I direct you to a concept called Yesterday in Maryland?

[Dr. Scott Atlas]

Okay. Thank you. I see

[Steve Dace]

that applause you hear is for Maryland Governor Maura Healey's signing of another sweeping abortion bill that should be titled the Murder Every Unborn baby in whatever gruesome fashion you feel like at any time and for any reason act. Because that's exactly what Maryland's bill does. In addition to making it harder to remove pornographic books from public school libraries. 30 weeks gestation and the baby daddy gets cold feet. Murder the baby. 35 weeks gestation and you're just not feeling the whole motherhood thing anymore. Or murder the baby. 40 weeks gestation and the baby is seconds from coming down the birth canal. Murder the baby for any reason. It's all legal in the for Roman Catholic settlers and signed in 2026 by a supposedly Catholic governor. As Todd says, the excommunications must continue until morale improves. In some good news, the State Department has revoked the visas of over 175,000 foreigners. The department says most of these 175,000 had violated the terms of their visas, including the Commission of Crimes. President Trump signed an executive action yesterday curtailing the number of recommended childhood vaccines from over 70 down to 11.

[Todd Erzin]

Large amounts of vaccine, large amounts of, like, vats of vaccine are currently pumped into your child's body, and we're doing 20% of that.

[Steve Dace]

Violent crime kept falling across many of the nation's largest cities through June, with homicides down 17.2% from the first half of 2025, according to a report by Axios International News. Iran says it's keeping the Strait of Hormuz closed through the end of Trump's term in office. And finally, apparently, this groom didn't tell the bro who officiated his wedding that his new wife is keeping her maiden name. Ladies and gentlemen, it is my honor to present the newly married couple, Mr. And Mrs. Brandon. Mr. Brandon key and his wife, regina aloui, You did not tell me that.

[Todd Erzin]

I thought you knew. You didn't tell me that.

[Steve Dace]

I have no idea who those people are, but even I feel like I just got kicked in the ball falls and that's what happened while we were away.

[Todd Erzin]

Yes. Quick correction. It is Massachusetts, not Maryland. But in Aaron's defense, all of these pagan blue states look alike. It could very well be Maryland today. Would it shock anybody if it was Maryland today and Delaware tomorrow?

[Unnamed Male Co-host]

No.

No.

[Todd Erzin]

So I saved you guys. Saved about 300 emails to my inbox with that, but probably not.

[Unnamed Male Co-host]

No, probably not.

[Todd Erzin]

It feels as if. Well, first of all, later on today we're gonna have the mother of all deconstructing. Tucker's deconstructing because now we're gonna. Now he's retconning and deconstructing his own work. But we're gonna lead off with a simple question. Has the seal been broken on the vaccine? Next year on the Steve Day Show. And greetings. Happy Tuesday. Welcome to the STE here live.

[Unnamed Male Co-host]

We're live.

[Todd Erzin]

We're live and on demand here on Blaze tv, radio and podcast. I'm Steve Dase alongside Todd erzin and Aaron McIntyre and we are brought to you by our friends over at Preborn. Maybe you just heard the news from Massachusetts or it could be a number of blue states in America. As Aaron pointed out, literally seconds down the birth canal, you're not feeling the mommy thing. Go ahead and kill your child. Thunderous applause More than ever before. This is why we need to be supporting our friends over at Preborn because they are on the ground fighting literal soul to soul combat today. If you want to donate, it's tax deductible. They're a five star charity. For as little as $28, you can fund an ultrasound that doubles a baby's chance of life and I would also argue missionally may double mom's chance at eternal life because you may have convinced this woman to instead of joining the longhouse and the spiritual outhouse, instead becoming a mom rather than a murderer. So let's keep that generosity going. You guys have been so incredible to our friends at Preborn already. Preborn.com Steve is where you want to go. That's Preborn.com Steve. Make your tax deductible gift today at Preborn.com Steve. Well, coming up at the bottom of this hour is an interview that is almost providential in its timing. Dr. Scott Atlas is going to make his return here to the Steve Day Show. It's been a while since we've had Scott on the program and he was originally going to come on to respond to Fauci's testimony of two weeks ago. But now we have more Fauci testimony, just the type of which you were nowhere you were never supposed to see. And having Scott on today to discuss that is boy howdy, wow. And then of course we will get to that aforementioned deconstructing Tucker Deconstructing. If you still have a double digit IQ and are listening and following Tucker show, then you learned yesterday that somehow Israel made Hunter Biden become a crackhead, sleep with his brother's widow, abandoned his own child to the point that would not even talk to the poor girl, photograph his degenerate behavior with human trafficked women stored all on his laptop. And that's before we even answer the question where'd the cocaine come from in the Biden White House? Before we even anybody know, anybody that could get into the Biden White House that was frequently doing cocaine. Any prima facie evidence for any of that perhaps? No. We get Candace on the case. It's amazing that the Jews managed to make Hunter Biden do all those things. Thus he's deserving of some kind of Tucker dispensation of grace. So we'll get to all of that and more on today's show. But, but I, I want to begin with the question I posed there at the top. Is it possible that the seal has been broken on vaccines, not just the COVID vaccine, but vaccines in particular? The timing of yesterday's events or the last 24 hours days events, I should say so. Yesterday the president comes out with this announcement. He's essentially rolling the clock back to what the era was when you and I were kids, right. What were the, that vaccine schedule was what 11 or 12 was that vaccine schedule that were recommended by the feds for government schools. And now it's well over 70 is the number that they are doing to children. So he's essentially rolling the clock back there. I know there has been some, shall we say, clumsy moments so far in this White House with, with the MAHA group that was instrumental in helping Trump win, particularly the popular vote there. There's been some moments where we've even seen Del Bigtree Ask RFK Jr. As HHS Secretary, what you doing right. We've, we've seen some of those movements or some of those moments here, the first two, two years of the Trump presidency. Right. And, and hey man, you know, we only know the end of Lewis and Clark's story or the, or the highlights. I can Promise you, in between, there were some days, all right, when you are blazing a trail, all right, when you are changing a paradigm, not everything is not every shortest distance between 2 points to straight line. Can I get a witness on that?

[Unnamed Male Co-host]

Just ask Sacajuya.

[Todd Erzin]

But if, if all you thought you got out of this before we get into the food guidelines and changing the food pyramid and changing the school food guidelines, and we have major fast food chain restaurants now in this country advertising that they're cooking with tallow and grass fed beef and everything else before we get to any of that, if, if, if, all we would have gotten out of, for all the drama out of this, was rolling the childhood vaccine schedule back basically 40 years plus years to when you and I were of school age. At that age, I mean, you tell me you're the OG Maha person. I mean, I feel like that vote would have been worth it if I knew going in that that was pretty much all I was going to get out of that. But it also depends on something Jesse Kelly has said many times, and I'm quoting him. Do you view Trump as the end result of something or the first step of something? If you view Trump as the end result of something, then you're going to be disappointed quite a bit, frankly. If you view him as the first step towards something, then you're going to have a more optimistic view, you know, So I tend to view him as the first step to something. So that, that factors into my analysis as well. But Todd, what do you think?

[Unnamed Male Co-host]

Remember just a couple of weeks ago I was pointing out how everybody was already saying none of this matters regarding Fauci's testimony. I said, you just got him to say 111 times the exact opposite of he wanted to say and had been saying for years as he shoved things down your throat. And if you can't see that as a win anymore after, after everything that happened to us, that's a problem. The same thing applies here because there's already people out there within the Maha crowd saying the poison is still flowing. Folks, what's Steve, Let me just use the example with the guy right there named Steve Dase. You were always respectful to me about my vaccine point of view before 2020. But your overall thought on it was.

[Todd Erzin]

I kind of thought it was a little kooky.

[Unnamed Male Co-host]

Yeah.

[Todd Erzin]

But I didn't have time, frankly, to investigate everything. And I wasn't worried about it because I had my vaccine. So I didn't really care that you didn't have yours. Otherwise, if I needed yours to have you to have yours for mine to work. Then what was the point of the vaccine?

[Unnamed Male Co-host]

Yeah. Worried one way or the other. Really. Now, for the last six years, did

[Todd Erzin]

I make you sit further away from me on the set during cold and flu season? Did we. Social distance or anything like that? No.

[Unnamed Male Co-host]

But now for the last six years, you've been running point more than anybody else on the vaccine issue within this conservative space of social media. Right. Things changed, Right?

[Todd Erzin]

Yeah. The data changed.

[Unnamed Male Co-host]

Yeah.

[Todd Erzin]

Some of which we're going to talk about here in a minute. Yeah.

[Aaron McIntyre]

Yeah.

[Unnamed Male Co-host]

So people, hearts and minds are changing. I constantly. I was Maha before Maha. I was anti vaccine. My. None of my four daughters have been vaccinated for a single thing. Trust me, some of you are too close to this. And quite frankly, I understand why. Because you actually. Your kids were actually damaged. You believed them. I know some of these by name. I won't name them. But now you're losing your mind. Progress is being made. Okay. Steve's point is really great if you just think everything is going to happen now because it's all happening within the Trump sphere. Steve's absolutely right. It's just getting the ball rolling. We're gonna have to do our part. Two other leaders, Ron Johnson is one of them. None of Ron Johnson was not doing this. Ron Johnson was basically probably Steve Dase for all of this.

[Todd Erzin]

Ron. I'll tell you that Ron got dragged into this because of a former Green Bay Packer player came to him and said, hey, we've had some experience with our own family. Will you look into this? And he agreed to it. And that led him, you know, to becoming the crusader that he is today. I mean, listen, I'll. Prior to Covid, Ron was kind of just a generic Republican senator, frankly, you know, not, you know, tremendous, but also, given how blue Wisconsin can be at times, pretty good for his state. But he wasn't like, you know, Jesse Helms, okay here. You know, I mean, Covid radicalized him. He's so. Ron is a great example of the phenomenon that you're describing here.

[Unnamed Male Co-host]

So when you remember the trust and the trust that people continue to put into doctors and medicine and big pharma, it's had a cultish like, hold on out of us that isn't just going to end overnight. And especially if you're a Christian, you should understand that.

[Todd Erzin]

I mean, it was unthinkable even three years ago that this would occur. It was unthinkable. I mean, really outside of, you know, the OG spaces that people like you inhabit. You know, like children's health, defense. And I think Mary's going to be back on the show here, Here tomorrow. Tomorrow, Right. So outside of those sectors, though, and that was a lot of times wishful thinking, the idea that we'd be sitting here and essentially rolling back the last four decades of the childhood vaccine schedule was unthinkable. But that's exactly what occurred yesterday. So, I mean, to me, that's at least a helmet sticker. That's at least. I voted for this, for sure. And the timing now of that, if you, if maybe it's, it goes too far to say rolling that schedule back smashes a shibboleth of the damned. Maybe. If you think that goes too far. At the very least, though, it's now safe to say, you know, that's a shibboleth of the damned. People are saying stuff like this out loud. That was just never, ever said, even just a few years ago. Right. That's, that's a, that is a tremendous step forward. We've never been anti incrementalism on the show. We just don't view losing slower as incrementalism. And that's how it's often been defined, particularly in the pre Trump era of the right between Reagan and Trump, basically incrementalism meant how do you feel about losing slower than you otherwise were planning? What if we, what if we're, what if we're going 10 and 2 and obeying all traffic laws and firmly ensconced in our seatbelts, all right, and going exactly the speed limit down the highway to hell, how's that for incrementalism? That's between the Reagan and Trump eras. That was essentially incrementalism on the right. But we've always been in favor of incrementalism. If we're actually moving the ball, to quote the great prophet Hank Stram on NFL Films, the old Kansas City Chiefs coach, are we matriculating the ball down the field? Right. 5 yard gains, 10 yard gains, 20 yard gains. This is a big game. It may not be. If you want, if you don't want to say it's a touchdown, fine. But like this is at least a big pass play over the middle, right? This is at least. We gashed a team for like a 40 yard run and we flip the field. It's at least that. It's at least that, yes. So it's somewhere between a touchdown and a, you know, maybe a momentum changing play in the game. It's somewhere between those two things, right?

[Unnamed Male Co-host]

Yes.

[Todd Erzin]

And in either case, That's a positive. That should be cheered.

[Unnamed Male Co-host]

Yes.

[Todd Erzin]

I mean, yeah. I mean, when you're. When you're watching the game and your team gets a big play, do you, like, complain that it didn't go for 10 more yards, or are you, like, do you cheer the play? This was a big play yesterday and the timing of it, too, on the heels of what broke this morning from Fauci's texts that they knew the entire time that text. I just want to. I just want to make sure we reiterate for you. Those texts are from January of 2021. January of 2021. Meaning just as they were beginning to roll out the shots to the public. Now, there's a subtext here that I don't think we have highlighted enough, but note that in January of 2021, he's already planning ahead here for what this could look like with the media. Now there's some talk about what second shot means. I assume he meant because unless you got the J and J shot, it was two shots.

[Unnamed Male Co-host]

Right.

[Todd Erzin]

But if you found out that second shot meant, well, we know that we're gonna have to give people a second dose later on. Would that shock you if you found out that's what it really meant in this context? It's probably not what it means because, again, other than J, other than the JJ shot, the. All the MRNA shots required two injections, Right? You took two shots for that, if I recall.

[Unnamed Male Co-host]

So I think the J and J was the 2. Wasn't.

[Todd Erzin]

No, the JJ was the single shot, which is why a lot of people went for that one. You could just take that one time and not risk the second one.

[Unnamed Male Co-host]

It's been a while.

[Todd Erzin]

Yeah, okay. But we don't know that for sure. If you found it. If you found out later on that, you know, if we had texts later on that that said Anthony. Anthony Fauci was already game planning out in January and February, people were going to need more doses. Would that shock you?

[Unnamed Male Co-host]

No.

[Todd Erzin]

No, no, no. And see, this is the premise that Daniel Horowitz and I wrote, Rise of the Fourth Reich, that there's just. There's no way they didn't know all this. They're not afforded any sort of noble lie. Or they overreacted because they never once said we overreacted. They never once rolled anything back voluntarily. Everything that they stopped doing, we made them stop doing it. They just shut up about the poisonous jabs because no one was going to Walmart to get shots anymore. People just stopped. Social distancing just stopped. And then the courts told them that, that, that, you know, the, the mask mandates had to go. They never rolled anything back, anything back voluntarily. They never did it one time. They never once have expressed any level of remorse that's significant at all. And I, and I think we're at the point with Anthony Fauci in particular, that if he's not put on trial for his life, I, I, I really don't know, then what is the point of having a country here if it's going to be out and known that he knew this was basically an abortion shot. Whether you buy the 12% number or the 86% number that comes from the, the hard data within the trial itself. But the 12% number is bad enough. It's 300%, at least 300% higher than the miscarriage rate in America. This would mean that even if you take only the 12% number, Anthony Fauci is, in terms of aiding and abetting murder, is one of the most successful serial killers in the history of this world. There are, there are, there are dictators, megalomania, megalomaniac dictators with militaries who couldn't, who couldn't, if the other numbers true, who couldn't possibly have executed as efficiently as many people as Anthony Fauci de facto took part in my lying and encouraging you to take something that he knew may cause you to suffer a tragic loss of a child. And you start, you know, we always look at whether something's broken through first. Does it get into the conservative normie? Right. The person who might listen to our show every now and then, and then, like intently, like before an election. Right. So, so our numbers like go way up, like right before and after an election. Right. So that would be like a conservative normie.

[Unnamed Male Co-host]

Sure.

[Todd Erzin]

Okay. And then there's the, then there's just the normie, the person who just wants to pay their bills, man, and try to carve out some, you know, American dream for themselves and their family and be able to watch a ball game after work, you know, after Alabama once saying, Working 40 hour weeks for a living, watch a ball game or take the kids to the park or something on the weekends, the wife for a date night once a month. You know, just a, a typical traditional middle class American life, but largely just doesn't either care or thinks everybody's corrupt, so what's the point? Or doesn't think they have the time to truly get involved in the day to day milieu of what we do here in the cold civil war of America.

[Unnamed Male Co-host]

Fair. Yeah.

[Todd Erzin]

When I see Posts from people like Megan McCain saying, Hey, I had one of those miscarriages during COVID Absolutely. Fauci has to be put on trial for his life. She, to me would be like a normie conservative or maybe another. Another way to look at a normie conservative, too. Might not just be capacity of when they tune in, but they're maybe inclined to think that they kind of need to be the person that gets the more radical elements to simmer down all the time. You see what I mean? You know, like them. Fox News is too far. Right? Right.

[Unnamed Male Co-host]

Yeah.

[Todd Erzin]

I think Meghan McCain would certainly be like a camp. Right. When she is out there saying, hey, we've broken the seal on this now, to some degree, Fox News did. Fox, folks, was getting rid of people like Emerald Robinson and Brianna Morello for not taking the jab or. No, that happened at One America or Newsmax with Emerald, if I remember right, with Fox, it was Brandon Morello, though, with Fox, they were getting rid of people. They had a jab mandate because the courts told them to say what you want about Daily Wire. And there were times we certainly weren't happy with what Ben Shapir was telling his audience during that period. Right, right. But they did actually go after the Biden administration. They actually put their money where their mouth is and did something about the, the jab mandate. They fought it.

[Unnamed Male Co-host]

Yes.

[Todd Erzin]

Yeah. Successfully, in fact. The Fox just complied. Why does that matter? Because did you see who that interview was with? With Ron Johnson, Fox. I first read this from Bill Miluchin. Who's he with Fox? It feels like a seal has been broken here. Now it feels like the cat has been let out of the bag. The stuff that was only to be discussed with the Steve Daish and Daniel Horowitz shows of the world. Okay, now has, has it has. I, I certainly. I'm not going to be optimistic to the point of saying it's, it's. It's bled over into the normie world. The normie world, by the way. It has bled over to some degree because they're the ones that stop going and getting the shots. But in terms, so, but in terms of a reckoning, I don't think it's bled into the normie world, but I definitely think it has bled into the normie conservative world. Now I am seeing all kinds of people who never wanted to have any commentary on this, say nothing about this the whole time we were helping to lead that fight are now openly grabbing onto this and demanding action thoughts.

[Unnamed Male Co-host]

I hope you're right. I'm more skeptical about this one than I am. What we just talked about previously. And there's metrics that'll prove one way or the other. And they're called advertising and they're called pollsters and they're called elections. And right now, if I can see very much FOX News kind of, okay, we're going to put this out there and we're going to let them have their say. But then if you don't see the advertising change brought to you by Pfizer, that's not going to mean much. And also here in this election, we'll know based on how the politicians and their talking points and what posters when we have them on have to say. Is this something that's resonating with people?

[Todd Erzin]

Well, that's more of the normie, the regular normie, what you're describing.

[Unnamed Male Co-host]

Well, even the people, I mean, but

[Todd Erzin]

I'm talking more the conservative normie. Yeah, but even the people who think Fox is as far right as we're allowed to.

[Unnamed Male Co-host]

But in a state like Iowa, if we are the red state, we are. And right now all of our congressional representatives are Republicans, they should be beating this drum.

[Todd Erzin]

No, our governor, it is. Our governor candidate has already mentioned this.

[Unnamed Male Co-host]

Yes, yes, I agree.

[Todd Erzin]

Aaron, what are your thoughts?

[Steve Dace]

A clip from Ron Johnson. He ends it, and I didn't include this in the montage by saying I think this is just the tip of the iceberg. You bet it is. You bet it is. If Fauci is saying that In January of 2025, we're still eight, eight and a half months away, I believe, or I'm sorry, of 2021, we're still eight, eight and a half months away from the jab mandates.

[Todd Erzin]

Yes. September 7th, I think is when that was.

[Steve Dace]

That's from the season of pandemic of the unvaccinated, as we were told by everybody and their mother's dog in media. So you bet this is just the tip of the iceberg. And I just want to reiterate something. The study that he mentioned from that individual who's under investigation, pals with Fauci, I guess, who touted theirs before, it wasn't cool anymore. That happened in June of 2021. That study from the New England Journal of Medicine, again, I just think it bears reiterating. Those are the numbers, the total numbers of confirmed, confirmed, confirmed pregnancies. Those are the numbers that they came up with that they featured in that article, that paper, whatever you want to call it. And even then, those are their numbers. So maybe that's as true and straight as the day is long. Maybe it's just the numbers that they thought they could cook the most, but those are their numbers. Even by their own numbers. Even if you do the math wrong like they did, it's still, what did you say, 300% more than the baseline average? Yes, if you do the numbers correctly. Actually only deducing from before 20 weeks of gestation what counts as a miscarriage, then it hops up to that 83% number. Crime against humanity doesn't do it justice. And why? Why we're all supposed to have in government, in the health, public health, there's supposed to be different silos. The FDA is supposed to do the checking out, making sure and quality insurance and making sure all of the science checks out. NIH NIAID is supposed to be actually doing the formulations for the medicines, the drugs themselves. And yet here's the chief of the NIAID going out there and doing what the FDA is really their job. Why? Why? Because Fauci likes himself some Fauci. And when Fauci says I like me some Fauci, you better trust the science on that.

[Todd Erzin]

When we come back, get the comments of the one and only Dr. Scott Atlas. Stay tuned, The steve day show. If you're looking for screen time your whole family can actually agree on. Well, as a new school year begins, World Watch is a great way to help your teens stay informed without being overwhelmed. It's created specifically for them. Delivering fact based news from a Christian worldview in just 10 minutes a day. Each episode covering current events, global headlines, human interest stories and fun explainers that will help kids to understand what's happening in the world. All with clarity, context and hope through a Christian lens. So if you want to try this today, get a free 30 day trial by visiting Worldwatch News slash Steve. Worldwatch News slash Steve. Or use the promo code Steve. Worldwatch News slash the promo code Steve. Get started with your free 30 day trial today at Worldwatch News. Steve using the code Steve. Well, if there was ever anybody you would want to talk to on a day like this, we get a chance to talk to him. The return of Dr. Scott Atlas here to the program. And sir, it is, it's an honor always to have you with us on the show. How have you been Scott?

[Dr. Scott Atlas]

Doing well, Steve. Thanks for having me.

[Todd Erzin]

You bet. So originally we had the momentous news when we booked have you back of Dr. Fauci's over 100 invoke and you know, invoking of the Fifth Amendment during his recent testimony. Then we've had his diaries and now we have what has become known this morning, which is that he knew from really January of 21, the initial public layout of the rollout of the vaccines, of some of the toxicity involved here. And yet his public comments for months completely denied it and said the exact opposite. So there's just, I don't even know where to even begin, Scott. So I'm just going to hand you the mic, brother, and say, you know, drop it while it's hot. I mean, what do you have to say about all of this?

[Dr. Scott Atlas]

Well, I think there's, there's big picture importance here, more, more than smaller points and that is that we had somebody leading the pandemic response. The most visible, the most influential person to the public was Dr. Fauci. The leader of the federal response was Deborah Birx, his underling. But Fauci was the most influential and the most impactful on local health officials, et cetera, although Birx wrote all of the guidance. But it was a massive failure because the lockdowns and school closures, they failed. More than a million extra Americans died, 1.6 is the estimate between 2020 and 23 from the lockdowns compared to if we would have done what Sweden did. There is a lot of harms beyond death, as we know. Massive psychological damage, massive drug abuse, spousal abuse exploded, child abuse exploded, economic devastation. And it's not just the money, it's lives. There's a tremendous damage and the long term damage, as my friend jba the character has said many times recently, is a destruction of the trust in public health. But I'll go even beyond that. There's a destruction in the trust and expertise. Okay, so what we have here now is a pendulum swinging pretty wildly and sadly to the point of saying no expertise is legitimate, no training matters, no scientific data is legitimate. I'm very concerned about that.

[Todd Erzin]

I am as well. I mean, I have spent the last nine months fighting a portion of my own audience since my friend got murdered, convinced that him, the confession of the killer, his DNA all over the weapon video of him in a sniper position on the roof across from where Charlie got shot somehow is not sufficient enough evidence because nobody can be trusted. So we are seeing this kind of as a malignancy and it is spreading and metastasizing and. But Scott, I think at this point the only way to fix this is we have to hold. The people who lied to us have to be held accountable. I mean, I think without some kind of a reckoning, I don't see. I don't think that we can epistemologically fix this.

[Dr. Scott Atlas]

I don't. I agree. I think there's a couple things to realize here. We're in a. We're in disarray, frankly. I don't want to be a doomsayer or something, but this is society, the basis of a free society and a very diverse society that's as big as ours, the United States. We need to have trust. People think, oh, we don't have to have trust. No, we need to have trust. But the question is how to go back to that. So it's a process. And part of the process is stepping up individually in the meantime to be a thinker, to be a critical thinker. There's a burden when you want to have the responsibility of being a free person in a free society. That's not just a gift. That's not just something that happens that comes with a burden of responsibility to think as a human being, to make the effort to find out information for you and your family, and also to question the people giving you the information. I'll give you one example of this, Steve, and this isn't really why you called me on, but people ask me, well, what do you do? Doctors. We trust doctors. And now we can't necessarily trust them, because that's true. Our doctors were big failures during the pandemic. They tried to coerce people to do things. They didn't even know the data themselves. They just recited what the CDC was recommending, which is really an abrogation of duty. But what do you do in that? Because we can't expect people to know the medical science. Okay, that's unrealistic. But what you can do when your doctor recommends something is simply say, what is the data? Okay, what is the data? No good doctor would be offended by that question. All good doctors should know the data behind what they're recommending. Okay. And you don't just. They shouldn't just poo. Poo the concern. You're the person in charge. We lost, by the way. If I can sort of go off on random points here, we lost the. The concept that is also essential in a free society, and that is informed consent. Part of the informed consent is letting the person make the decision as to if they're going to take a vaccination. I'll go further. There is no such thing as a free society that is ethical. If you're forced to inject a drug into yourself or your child, I mean, that is completely antithetical. To a free society. If you think you're living in a free country, yet you're required if you want to enter society to inject a drug into yourself, okay, you ought to think twice about who you're putting in power.

[Todd Erzin]

Actually, brother, we brought you on exactly for what? Everything you just said. So, yes, by all means, that is exactly what our audience wants to hear and needs to hear. So take us back. Before I look ahead to the future, I want to go back to the past. It was about this time in 2020, if my memory serves, right around, it was in August, I think, that you were finally appointed to the COVID Task force by the president. So you had a chance to be in on the inside of those meetings. I mean, I read your book, and there's parts of lamentations in the Bible that are cheerier than your book, frankly. But it was. It's a necessary read. It's a necessary read. And we. We even did a study on it here on the show at the time. Take us back to those meetings. How much when you started citing the kinds of data, and those were trend lines that were early at that time, but when you started citing these ominous trend lines within those meetings, what was the reactions of Dr. Birx and Dr. Fauci in particular? Did they listen? Did they poo poo it? Did they think that the overall danger of the virus made it that we could literally just do anything we wanted to the people? What was the reasoning there behind the scenes?

[Dr. Scott Atlas]

And this is an important point you've alluded to, is that I came in, really, July 31, August 1, as advisor to the president, and then I was told they needed me to be part of the task force too, because they, you know, that's good. They thought that I would be able to convince them, although I knew it wasn't possible because these are bureaucrats who were entrenched in what they were doing for five or six months already. But in any event, yes, I was asked by Vice President Pence, who was running the task force in a bureaucratic way, what's the data on children, on the risk to kids. I was prepared because I was frankly pretty frantic because they were killing people with the policies and they didn't know the data. They weren't acting in accordance with known pandemic management, which said already 15 years sooner than this pandemic, that lockdowns do not work to contain the spread of a viral respiratory infection, and that lockdowns are extraordinarily harmful to people, including healthy people, which all of this, of course, was true. So I went through the data, I went through the studies, I brought with me dozens of scientific papers and all the analyses of all the real time data. And I went through what was known, because all the data that was important was known by the end of spring and early summer 2020. It wasn't learned later. It wasn't learned in October 2020 or 2020 one or three years later. It was known. And these people didn't know the data yet. I was reciting all the data, but about the extraordinarily low risk to healthy children, minuscule risk of a serious complication from the infection. And the infection was already spread and it was already extraordinarily harmful to close the schools. One in four college kids had already contemplated suicide, reported by the CDC in June. By June 2020 was the data okay. And there was already an explosion of self harms, of, of suicidal ideation of teenagers, of an increasing obesity burden in young people and massive psychological distress, spousal abuse, child abuse, as I already mentioned. So I went through the data. And then after I went through the data, Vice President Pence turned to Fauci. No reaction. Dr. Birx leaned across the table and said, you're an outlier. I go through this in my book Plague Upon Our House because it was indelible in my memory, because it's so shocking to work with people that didn't know what they were talking about but were personally offended when that was exposed in these meetings, which is what I did, because they were used to walking around the White House with an entourage of people and because these were medical people, people with medical backgrounds who are, you know, in our society, people who are, you know, MDs and PhDs and other advanced degree people that sort of intimidating to laymen, I'll use the term, it's all right. So, but people were afraid to challenge that. So I came in and, you know, I'm used to, in an academic medical center in the world that I'm in at Hoover Institution, there's a lot of smart people. You have to know what you're talking about and people are going to question you. And the answer to the question is the data, not an accusation that they're some kind of outlier. So there was a complete. Yeah, they were sort of freaking out at being challenged, but also at being exposed for what they were, which was not understanding or learning or knowing the data, not critically assessing the data, but simply reciting things, making up these strange sophomore color coded charts. That's what Deborah Birx did that had no clinical correlation. And you know, they had no rebuttal, they had no retort because they had no data to back up what they were doing.

[Todd Erzin]

So that brings me to the future then. And one of the things I've pointed out to this audience a lot over the years is they never voluntarily admitted they were wrong about anything. They never voluntarily ruled anything back. The courts made him do it on masks, the courts made him do it on the, on the vat, on the jab mandate. People just stopped complying en masse with social distancing and getting increased boosters. So noncompliance meant they couldn't enforce it anymore. So they always had, the system always had to have pause or stop forced on them the whole time, which to me removes any benefit of the doubt of noble lies or overreacting in a time of crisis. That lack of humility there I think belies punitive guilt. So moving forward, what would you suggest, like let's say an attorney general like James Uthmeyer from Florida who's announced that he's looking into Foushee right now pardons, whether you think a presidential pardon with an auto pins legit or not, they don't apply to straight to state crimes. Dr. Birx doesn't have any sort of pardon protection at all. What would you suggest? I mean if James Uthmeyer called you up and said hey Scott, what's a, what's a path forward here to not just get justice but also to recover the public trust, what would you say? Scott?

[Dr. Scott Atlas]

Well, you know, it's a tough question. First of all, I don't know the law and I'm not sure what was a crime versus giving the wrong advice versus hiding. I think the things that seem to be criminal are lying under oath. I'll give you one specific example here. Gain of function research was funded by the NIH in coronaviruses in 2014 for the next several years, part of that time it was forbidden under the Obama administration. Yet this was signed on. There were three specific grants that the NIH site signed on to for gain of function research in coronaviruses in 2014. That research was funding research done in collaboration with Wuhan Institute of Virology on coronaviruses. So if you lied about funding the research, that seems to be potentially a criminal problem. I think that there's, it's bigger than the accountability is the key that without accountability there is no deterrence to future replication of what we did here, what we, the society did. We need accountability. That's how you Run your personal life, you require it of your children. And if you're an ethical or moral person, you require it of yourself. If you're married. I think all of us, you know, we have to say we're wrong when we're wrong. That's part one of regaining trust, admitting you're wrong, having personal accountability. The second part is we need public accountability because we need to deter others from doing this. In many instances, the people who were in power are still in power to a great extent in institutions in the United States, and they want to turn the page. Why do they want to turn the page? On the pandemic, you'll hear a lot of people say, listen, that was the past. What are we doing? Revisiting? No, they want to turn the page because they were complicit.

[Todd Erzin]

Right.

[Dr. Scott Atlas]

Okay. They are, at the very minimum, humiliated by their buying in to what was done. And what was done was a demonization of people in a free society who disagreed. What was done was they called police on people who had more than four people in their home. You know, they arrested people in public parks. They shut down, you know, people who were out windsurfing. So we need public accountability to deter the future. We also need public accountability and discussion of this because people were destroyed and millions and millions of actually individually courageous Americans who said no. To protect themselves and their children and their families, they need to be shown there was a reason for what they did. That means the truth. We need the transparency about the truth about what happens. Because, yes, there is no reparation for people who couldn't say goodbye to their dying mother or father in a nursing home. There is no reparation for people whose children committed suicide. These are unspeakable harms, but we have to say them.

[Todd Erzin]

Amen.

[Dr. Scott Atlas]

Okay? We have to say them because we're living in an ethical society. We have to get some form of closure for people. It's not enough. I understand.

[Todd Erzin]

30 seconds.

[Dr. Scott Atlas]

But, you know, we. We really have to move forward with transparency, and public transparency is a big part of the deterrence.

[Todd Erzin]

Amen, brother. Great to see you again. Appreciate you as always. Thank you for joining us.

[Dr. Scott Atlas]

Thanks for having me.

[Todd Erzin]

You bet. That was a tour de force. I'll make sure to get you guys reaction to it on the other side before another, the mother of all renditions of deconstructing. Tucker. Deconstructing. That's next. Stay tuned. All right, back here with hour two, live in on Demand on Blaze, tv, radio and podcast. I'm Steve Dase with Todderson and Aaron McIntyre, let us know what you think about what we think via the stevedace.com inbox by emailing the show [e-mail] that's D E A C E like us on Facebook, Me, we and Gab. You can follow me at Steve Day show on X Instagram and Tick Tock. Please make sure to subscribe to our new Rumble channel at Steve Dace on Rumble. That's at Steve Dace on Rumble. And then finally, if you are a podcast listener, make sure you subscribe so you never miss an episode and you hit the subscribe button on every podcast platform. But Apple likes to be different so hit the follow button over there. And then finally, if you are a podcast listener, if you have not yet done this, leave us a five star review and thanks to the tens of thousands of you who have. And we always like to make sure we give an extra thanks when we've got a new partner here on the show. Chef man is here with slushies. You know most frozen frozen drink makers either cost a fortune or feel like a cheap seasonal gadget. But the Chef Man Slushy Max delivers premium frozen drink performance. But without that premium price tag it makes premium frozen drinks at home. No ice needed. Without the premium price too. Commercial style slushies from your own countertop. Built in freezing systems making slushies, frozen cocktails, milkshakes, smoothies and more. Large 90 ounce capacity. Perfect for families parties entertaining, built for year round use, not just for novelty appliance use once or twice a year. Skip the expensive frozen drinks shop and make your favorites right there at home. And if you're watching, you can see it's a good looking device. Fits right there on your countertop as well. So if you've been thinking about getting a frozen drink machine, I think you're going to be impressed with the Chef Man Slushy Max. It delivers great frozen drinks, it's easy to use, plus it won't cost a fortune and you're going to save another 25% with my code Steve. If you visit Chefman.com use the promo code Steve at Chefman. Just like it sounds. C H E F m a n chefman.com promo code [e-mail] all right, we've got to let you guys have a chance to respond. We literally squeezed every last second out of Dr. Scott Atlas in that last segment and he came to drop bombs, man. I mean he, he's, you know, you can tell he is still pretty fired up even years later about the justice that has been denied. So with that said, Todd and Aaron, your thoughts in the conversation we just had with the one and only Scott Atlas.

[Steve Dace]

Tap your microphone while I talked.

[Todd Erzin]

There you go. You got it.

[Unnamed Male Co-host]

There I am. There I am.

[Steve Dace]

Oh, there you go. We'll have it.

[Unnamed Male Co-host]

Well, yeah, when he. When you said to him that this is exactly why you. We had you on when he was just kind of stream of consciousness. Well, yeah, that the tentacles of this thing go anywhere. And we talked about not just medical expertise, but expertise in general. That's the psyop that happened here in creating the low Trust, helping create the low trust society, where now we're a bunch of Joaquin Phoenix jokers out there. I don't believe in anything. That's what happened. And what we have to somehow put. Why we have to somehow put Humpty Dumpty back together again. Otherwise we're living between these oceans, between Canada and Mexico, but this ain't America.

[Steve Dace]

I just remember in 2021, 2022. Can't remember if we had him on much in 2023. These times we'd have Dr. Atlas on the program. Always great, always a wealth of knowledge. Depressing, of course, especially from his time in the White House hearing dispatches from them. You know, going through his book. Kind of did that as a study for a while. I just remember doing those shows, show after show after show after show. Take any one of those shows that we did. And I'll just speak for myself, if you would have asked me after doing a show about his book, having him on the show to talk about any of the number of things that you just heard him talk about. And you asked me, hey, would you have a. Do you have it on your bingo card that someday we're going to have a text from Dr. Fauci from the year 2021 in January of 2021, discussing with Rochelle Walensky and Vivek Murthy that he's aware that the COVID jabs theoretically have a link to miscarriage. It probably would have said no, if I'm being honest. But yet here we are. And it's on that note, and I don't blame anybody. It's really personal topic. I'm not saying, oh, better late than ever. That's not what I'm saying at all. It's a really personal topic. But the number of husbands I saw come out yesterday, some women you mentioned, I think it was Meghan McCain.

[Todd Erzin]

Meghan McCain was one earlier.

[Steve Dace]

The number of people who came out and said this exact same thing happen to Our family. One, that makes me really sad. But number two, it heartens me as well that people are putting two and two together. And take it from Todd. Todd, he's a sports bro. He likes to get his jollies off on the latest titillating sports ball league. Right? He just loves pleasure. He loves being a Pollyanna. That's just everything that you think about when you think about Todd.

[Unnamed Male Co-host]

True.

[Steve Dace]

Now, when he comes on, none of that is true, by the way. When he comes on multiple times in the last two weeks, multiple times in the last week and says, hey, take a step back, we're making some ground here. Let's not muscle the ox while it's treading out grain number one, that should make you kind of take a step back as well when somebody like Todd says that. And number two, I think this is indication, the people that you saw coming out of the woodwork yesterday saying, this affected our family, this affected my wife. She was made to get this, mandated to get this. Her job made her do this. It's telling you that I think what Todd is saying is true, at least on some level. Maybe some level that I hadn't considered or is maybe beyond what we had even hoped for. And that's this. People are putting two and two together and they're not intentionally burying their heads in the sand.

[Dr. Scott Atlas]

That's good.

[Steve Dace]

That's good. Keep going down this road and I think there's going to be more good. That comes out heartbreak, yes. Absolute, absolute subterranean villainous behavior that will come out, yes, that's true. But I think the exposure and hopefully the accountability, and make no mistake, humiliation is a form of accountability. And Anthony Fauci has been humiliated over the last week. The road we're going on goes to some dark places. But if people keep being honest with themselves and each other and putting two and two together, we can move out of this in a much better place.

[Todd Erzin]

10,000%. And those dark places, by the way, is how we get to the light. We are at a point now that the seal has been broken here and that it's out and about now, that the man who ran America's health care policy during the most tumultuous period of American healthcare policy knew in advance that this could potentially be a mass miscarriage abortion level event and pressed forward. Anyway, one of the things I didn't get to ask Scott, we ran out of time. But I know Scott's highlighted this in the past as well. This is the first time in human history we punish the young. Even if you take all their claims at face value. You should not. But even if you do, about the true dangers of the virus and everything else, we have never before punished the young and healthy to sustain the old and infirmed. We've just never done that before. And that's what we did here. We took the lives away from the children and our young adults. We took their lives away. Problems they'll never have graduations, they'll never have rites of passage. They'll never have that every previous generation, even in the midst of dust bowls, got to take for granted. We took all that away.

[Unnamed Male Co-host]

And we weren't guessing. Like he said.

[Todd Erzin]

We knew after, and we knew all the time.

[Unnamed Male Co-host]

We knew we knew.

[Todd Erzin]

And that means, by the way, we did the same thing with this jab. It's okay if we kill a bunch of babies. It's okay if we, you know, leave a bunch of families where they thought a baby was growing with an empty belly because of. We're trying to save the old and infirmed. This entire thing was pagan, just false and sinister from the very beginning. I want to address something, though, before we get to Tucker, if you guys don't mind. One last. Yes, one last eye to dot on this. And I understand why John thinks this, I do. But I want to share a note from John. He says Trump's executive orders in the vaccine schedule are over in two years. They're meaningless, temporary help if not made into legislation and turned into law. I understand why you say things like that, but, John, you're also wrong. See, John, we're in. We're in an era that if you passed legislation, they would just go find a judge to overturn the legislation. The next day, they're going to go find a judge to overturn the executive order, Celebrate all victories. For now. Who knows how long will last? Who knows? Might be today, might be a judge who attempts to say, well, I don't care what the Supreme Court says about universal injunctions. Let me try it again. Might happen in six months. But today there's less of a chance that a child was going to get poisoned by a shot. They don't need that existed in this country yesterday.

[Unnamed Male Co-host]

True.

[Todd Erzin]

Is that a good thing?

[Unnamed Male Co-host]

Yeah.

[Todd Erzin]

Should Christians be in the business of disparaging good things?

[Unnamed Male Co-host]

No.

[Todd Erzin]

Is that. Is that what we do as a worldview? Is that what we do as a worldview? We take good things and say, well, just wait, though, Hey, I know we just saw the resurrection, but Good Friday's coming back. Is that what we do is one of the last words the crucifixion returns. All right. Satan, Part two. Crucifixion returns. Is that what we do? Is that what we do?

[Unnamed Male Co-host]

No. Sunlight, transparency. That's what Scott Atlas was talking about. We got it. We got it.

[Todd Erzin]

If you think that this is the show that equips you to be a naive lemming, then don't ever watch or listen again. We're not. But again, I can't stress this enough. We're not the despairing people. We don't get to despair. We are promised eternal life. This is the worst. Whatever you think the current condition of this world is or your life is, it is the worst that you will ever have because you're a believer in Christ. This is the worst it gets for you, for the people want that. Want to do this to us. This is the best things get for them. That in and of itself should create some love, joy, peace.

[Unnamed Male Co-host]

Right.

[Todd Erzin]

That fruit of the whole. That whole fruit of the spirit thing that in and of itself should. This hell still exist, last I checked, correct?

[Unnamed Male Co-host]

Yeah.

[Todd Erzin]

Everybody dies, Last I checked, correct?

[Unnamed Male Co-host]

Yeah.

[Todd Erzin]

Hell is not empty, correct?

[Unnamed Male Co-host]

No.

[Todd Erzin]

Although some days it feels like it is.

[Unnamed Male Co-host]

Right.

[Todd Erzin]

But it's not. Which means for those who have rejected God's mercy, justice and truth, his justice gets the final word then, right?

[Unnamed Male Co-host]

Yes.

[Todd Erzin]

And be comforted by that. And for those that accept his grace, his grace gets the final word, correct?

[Unnamed Male Co-host]

Yes.

[Todd Erzin]

Be comforted in that. But don't do this to yourself. This is the very definition of making the perfect the enemy of the good. Because your own solution won't actually be perfect either. They could pass these all 535 to nothing. Every member of the House, every member of the Senate. What's to stop one judge from saying, on second thought, no, I'm God? Nothing. Nothing. That's why we're not a nation of laws and we never have been. We're a nation of political will, and we always will be. For now. The president exerted the physical, the political will to roll back something that has been completely distorted and corrupted over the last 40 years, correct?

[Unnamed Male Co-host]

Yes.

[Todd Erzin]

Celebrate that. It's okay to win. It's okay to win. You have my permission to win. Give yourself permission to win. Now, there's another game next week, right?

[Unnamed Male Co-host]

There's another game right now?

[Todd Erzin]

Yeah. Even if you lose the super. Even if you win the super bowl, do they just stop playing your sport? There's. Is there another NFL season the next year?

[Unnamed Male Co-host]

Yeah.

[Todd Erzin]

So they just keep playing on. It's great that you even won the super bowl, but next year is a whole New season and everybody else is gunning for you. Right. So we don't quit. We don't get complacent. But you celebrate every single win. And you don't turn around and say, oh, but I. No, you don't. You don't. And the truth of the matter is you don't know the future. And Jesus can come back in the next 10 minutes and make this entire thing irrelevant.

[Unnamed Male Co-host]

Correct?

Yes.

[Todd Erzin]

So celebrate every single win you have.

[Steve Dace]

History does not unfold like a Hollywood blockbuster. And we, we delude ourselves by thinking that it does. And it's part of human nature. It's part of being an American. We love the movies, but it doesn't always just end up as neat and tidy right in our lifetimes, right at this very moment, in an hour and a half, as we would like to have it, you know, end up right on.

[Todd Erzin]

And with that, let's get to it. This is going to be the mother of all deconstructing. Tucker's deconstructing. And I, I go back to when I came up with this idea for this segment over Christmas break. We launched it the first Tuesday we were back, I believe so early January. And if, if you would have told me that by the time we got to August, we would be where we are.

[Unnamed Male Co-host]

Even you were trying to prevent this, in fact.

[Todd Erzin]

Yeah, we launched this in hopes. I mean, I was still communicating with Tucker one on one. So I, I would have just never guessed that the, the, the, the, the rate of dissent would have gotten to where we are now, where Tucker is now, deconstructing his own work, maybe the greatest work, most celebrated work Tucker did his entire time, throughout his celebrated career at Fox News was Tony Babalutski Bobulinski. He was the associate of Hunter Biden. And he had, and Tucker had the exclusive interview on the, on the Biden corruption. And that interview came right around the time as the laptop of the laptop from hell from Hunter Biden came out right now. He's even deconstructing his own work. And I have to just say again, man, I'd like to go back and tell my 2023 self I'm going to be, I'm going to have to, I'm going to be forced to say the things about Tucker I'm currently saying. Wouldn't have believed it. One of the few people in our business I have truly admired, legit admired. But here we are. And see, part of my job is to feed the sheep and shoot the wolves, metaphorically speaking, of course. And we straight up here Have a wolf in Tucker Carlson, a Marcion level arch heretic, from a son of the bishop, a man in good standing in the church, to the initial greatest heretic of the early church. The chief of of all the Gnostics was Marcion. He did incredible damage to the church. And that's when we had men with chests. That's when we had church fathers writing entire tomes to confront him individually. He still did tremendous damage. What could be done today with the caliber of men we currently have in many of our churches, the damage could be even more acute. Which is why. Which is why I've taken this fight upon myself. Because frankly, I just don't trust a lot of our churches, enough of them to do it. And I want you to see once and for all what a true deconstruction looks like, what the rate of deceleration looks like. Tucker has gone from let's reconsider Hitler, let's reconsider now. Maybe Ishmael is the child of the promise and the Bible should be seen through an Islamic lens. Now we're going to reconsider. Maybe the Bidens are the people that were truly politically tormented and persecuted here. Those same Bidens who by the way, said that if you don't take that toxic genetic serum that Fauci knew all along was a toxic genetic serum, if you don't take that, you can't work at a company with more than 100 employees. If you don't take, say, the mark. Yeah, those are the folks, the people who put pro lifers in prison for praying. Those were the people who were the truly persecuted ones, the Bidens. Steve, it's not that bad. You're making it all up. Am I? Well, I'm going to let you see for yourself. Here's clip number one.

[Unnamed Male Co-host]

For a head of state to say out loud, our job here is to kill everybody, including their children, because the bloodline itself must be extinguished. You know, I'm very opposed to Hitler. Okay. Just saying. I don't think Hitler ever said anything like that. I'm serious. I mean, killed a ton of people, including a ton of Jews, of course, but I don't think. Was Hitler ever on the record saying we need to extract, exterminate every single member of a specific bloodline? Maybe I haven't read it. Netanyahu just said that last week and he said it many other times. This is bonkers.

[Todd Erzin]

Hitler never had anything to say about eradicating any bloodlines

[Unnamed Male Co-host]

breaking

[Todd Erzin]

folks. And I'm going to be saying this a lot. What are we doing here? What are we doing here? If, by the way. Well, Steve, that doesn't change anything about what Netanyahu. Do you believe that if Netanyahu was trying to eradicate an entire bloodline of Muslims, all the rest of these Muslim countries would just stand pat and be okay with it? Have some common sense? That's like saying Candace Owens cares more about Tyler Robinson than his defense team and family does. Which I know that there are some of you I, by now I've hope I've driven you all out because you're wolves. I'm trying to drive you out. I'm intentionally trying to diminish my audience of you people.

[Unnamed Male Co-host]

I am.

[Todd Erzin]

I don't want you here. My job's to drive you out. You'll devour the people here that are the good sheep, the sheep who hear his voice. But your grunts and growls will drown that voice out. So I'm trying to drive you out. I'm trying to send you back to the ghetto whence you came. Similarly, if you're dumb enough to believe Hitler had nothing to say ever about eliminating bloodlines, I'm trying to do the same to you. We're not the show for you. You're a fool and frankly, you need to repent. Next clip.

[Unnamed Male Co-host]

Just to take it back to the first thing I said and I'll shut up and let you answer. But if Churchill is a hero, how come there are British girls begging for drugs on the street of London and the place is, you know, it's just there. London is not majority English now. Like what?

[Steve Dace]

Well, the people who formulated the version of history that considers Churchill a hero, they like London the way it is

[Todd Erzin]

now, you know, and, but that's not victory.

[Unnamed Male Co-host]

That's like the worst kind of defeat. Is it not? I'm, I'm just confused.

[Steve Dace]

If you're an English person who cares about England, then yeah, absolutely, it is. I mean it's, it's. Forget about victory and defeat. It's the worst thing that can happen.

[Todd Erzin]

Can someone with a single digit IQ explain to me how Winston Churchill is responsible for the. Who by the way, was voted out of office in what, 1948? I believe how he is somewhat response somehow responsible for the Islamic infiltration of the United kingdom in the 21st century. Can someone please explain this to me? Well, talk to me like I am a toddler. Explain it to me like I just learned my first words. How was Winston Churchill prime minister of a country that was 99 and a half percent white? How in the world is he 70 years later responsible for the Islamic infiltration of the UK. They voted him out of office. He barely got to govern after the war was over. Listen, if George. Why, why limited at 70 years? How about a couple hundred years? You know, George Washington was really such a hero. Why is the state of Virginia where he lived? You know, why is it electing attorney generals who think it's fine to kill their political opponents? Why is that? That, that seems like a valid critique. What do you think? I mean, if Thomas Jefferson was really such a swell guy, I mean, how they elect Abigail Spanberger as, as the, as the, the, the, the governor of his commonwealth. Why is, why is there so much liberal and left wing and pagan, you know, curriculum at the University of Virginia that Thomas Jefferson helped to found? If he, if he was really, you know, this brilliant framer of the country. Why don't we just do this with all, you know, you want to know? Who wants to retcon the past and destroy it? The people we're up against just flop. Just switch out Churchill for Robert E. Lee. It's the same argument. It's the exact same argument. It's the arguments leftists make. Tear down the past. We're the stained glass window smashers. That's the same arguments that you're seeing right there. Tell me I'm wrong.

[Unnamed Male Co-host]

No. And the, the ground is fertile for it. This is good. Talking about Scott Atlas once again, the loss of expertise in general. Did God really say I don't believe in anything? People like this know that they can create an army full of Candace bots because everything's up for grabs, which is

[Todd Erzin]

why they have Churchill's up for grabs. Everything's up for grabs, which is why they have to be confronted. Because this is, this is the stuff of nihilism. It'll destroy us as a people before Asala Malinkam will ever dare try. Which Tucker will have something to say about that later on too. But let's get to the next clip.

[Steve Dace]

The reason I resent Churchill so much for it is that he kept this war going when he had no way, he had no way to go back and fight this war. All he had were bombers. He was literally by 1940, sending firebomb fleets, sending bomber fleets to go firebomb the Black Forest just to burn down sections of the Black Forest. Just, just rank terrorism, you know.

[Todd Erzin]

So what would be the alternative to fighting the Nazis in 1940? What would be the alternative to that? Not surrendering to them? That would be the alternative. So you wanted him to surrender. This is the Smart analysis. These are the smart guys. This is the contrarian analysis. Listen, man, you're. You're cornered here. France is gone. US won't get involved. Suck it up there, chum. Seek heil and let there be peace. That's the smart take. That's the smart take. And any of you that have ever bought into this, I hope you feel ashamed and somewhat because you need to repent. That's called conviction. That's called conviction. That's a good thing. It's what stops you from doing terrible things or then after you've done them, never doing them again. That's good. That conviction is good. Do you guys know what would. What would have been the alternative for England in 1940, other than fighting the Nazis? What would the alternative have been?

[Dr. Scott Atlas]

What.

[Todd Erzin]

What alternative is there?

[Unnamed Male Co-host]

Well, I. Does he realize that the Blitz happened like London was. He's talking about.

[Todd Erzin]

Hitler was just dropping leaflets. Yeah, just dropping leaflets explaining how he was going to boost the gross domestic product of the people of the UK if they just lay down their arms and hand it over. Their country, of course.

[Steve Dace]

But it's the Black Forest, Steve. The Black Forest. The Black Forest. That's. He's making some sort of conservation claim here. When the civilization, the British civilization was on the rope, they burned down a forest over here. Yeah, I know their civilization was on the ropes, but still, I like to mourn the death of the old. I swear I saw that guy in that clip.

[Todd Erzin]

Let's.

[Steve Dace]

And by the way, did the Kool Aid. Did the Kool Aid man ever try to sell any sugary drinks? Not that I'm aware of. Go ahead. Sorry.

[Todd Erzin]

Nice. Let's get to the next clip.

[Unnamed Male Co-host]

Leaders who are preaching a religion that bears no resemblance to Christianity. So that's the core problem right there. Who knows what this is? It's not Christianity. It's not what the Gospels describe. Yesterday at the White House, they all show up, middle of Christian holy week, four days before Easter. And not just the fringe Christian Zionist, John Hagee or these strange people. But. But the. But the big guys. Franklin Graham, son of Billy Graham, shows up at the White House yesterday to pray over the President so he will have wisdom and restraint. No, to endorse the murder of civilians, which is a war crime, but more important, it's a moral crime. You can't kill people who have committed no crime, who did nothing wrong. You can't murder the innocent. You can't kill kids and women. And yet Franklin Graham is up there standing at the podium praying for that. Now, how do you do that? Well, by quoting something called the Book of Esther, which is in the Christian Old Testament, a controversial book. For a long time, Martin Luther thought it shouldn't have been there, but it is there. And it's the story, among other things, of a genocide of Persians. Oh, yeah, 75,000 Persians. Not just people who committed crimes, but people who are Persian, and that's why they were killed. And it's in the Book of Esther, which you should read, because it's interesting. It also happens to be, maybe not coincidentally, the only book in the Christian Bible, Old and New Testaments, that doesn't mention God. There's no mention of God in the Book of Esther now.

[Todd Erzin]

All right, first of all, that's not true. God's not mentioned by name, okay? But he is implied and inferred throughout the Book of Esther. In fact, in its most famous scene, when the uncle says, salvation will come to the Jews by another means, meaning that you are not responsible for the messianic line of God's people. God is. But you, Esther, were chosen for such a time as this, and you must do what you were called to do. So that's not the proper context either, by the way, in case you were wondering. I did. I did a quick AI search, and Grok's response was, you're a retard. When I asked him, has Franklin Graham ever publicly prayed for the murder of civilians or children or innocence? And I got three no's. Guys, I'm sure that you're all shocked to hear this.

[Steve Dace]

This is.

[Todd Erzin]

You're probably shocked to hear that the Book of Esther is really about a Persian genocide when it was actually a member of the Persian kingdom, a guy named Haman who was trying to genocide the Jews, and then the Persian king stopped it. Why does he say, you should read it? Because he knows that you won't. Where did I get all of Anthony. Where did I get all the data to debunk Anthony Fauci? Did I dig this data up on my own? Did you dig it up on your own?

[Unnamed Male Co-host]

No.

[Todd Erzin]

Did you ever.

[Unnamed Male Co-host]

Did you.

[Todd Erzin]

Did I ever have you sneak into Naid one night and you were able to go through the secret files? Is that how you did it?

[Steve Dace]

Fauci came to you in a dream?

[Todd Erzin]

No, we just went through all their actual released data, right?

[Unnamed Male Co-host]

Yes.

[Todd Erzin]

Yeah, because it was in their data all along. They just knew people were never going to read it. Tucker knows you're never going to read the person the book of Persian genocide, so he can just tell you to go read it because he knows you won't. You'll just take his word for it. Because at this point, if you're following this guy, you're a single celled organism and it's going to get worse. Next. The steve day show. Hey, when you're making a real estate decision, never confuse familiarity with expertise. Just because you bought or sold a home before doesn't mean you know all the little things that could make or break a deal. Especially if you did this pre Covid. Because a lot, a lot has changed since then. Right? Let's be honest here. Most of us only want to go through this process a handful of times at best in our lives. That's why a great real estate agent who does it every single day is what you're looking for. That's why you're looking for real estate agents. ITrust.com it's a network that gives you access to agents who've already proven themselves professionals with a track record of honesty, experience in putting their clients first. So in these unprecedented times, whether you're buying your first home, selling your current one, maybe doing it both at the same time, having the right person in your corner makes all the difference in terms of stress, time and money. So go to realestate agents. I trust.com today to get an agent you can trust. The name says it all. Real estate agentsitrust.com we continue on. We have yet to get to rock bottom for Tucker, but trust me, we're on our way. Tucker now has some thoughts. Well, first of all, he already retconned the book of Esther into really being about Persian genocide. You know who thinks that? Muslims. The people who think Ishmael, for example, is the child of the promise and not Isaac. And there's going to be a similar theme from Tucker here.

[Unnamed Male Co-host]

And when people win in a race like this, there's evidence of it. And that evidence takes very familiar forms. Enthusiasm, joy, and just sheer numbers. Like people show up, they can't believe it. We beat the evil Thomas Massie with his jihadi backers. This is a blow against Islamic Jihad, whatever that is. Islamic Shihad, which along with Hamas is one of the big problems in the 4th district of Kentucky. They've been very, very concerned about Islamic Jihad and Hamas and Hezbollah for a long time in Covington. Islamic Jihad, whatever that is. Islamic Jihad.

[Todd Erzin]

I don't, I don't even know what to say to that. I mean, that that is a clip that would air network covered by an organization called memory who just shows you what gets aired live on Islamic television. All over the world. I mean, I don't even know. I think to me, I think that that clip contains its own analysis therein. I mean, I think it's pretty self evident, but I'll throw it open to you guys if you wanted to respond. Whatever. To whatever that is? Yeah, to whatever that is.

[Unnamed Male Co-host]

Either either the demons that scratched him really got him or he's just so down on America that he started taking money from any and all commerce. Just saying I'm gonna get mine. And they are come and that money's coming from some pretty bad places in the Middle East. I don't what else. It's either demons or a lot of cash from nefarious Islamic influences. I don't know what else to say about that.

[Steve Dace]

Why not both? I mean, it could be both. I don't know. Is Tucker Carlson practicing some form of Taqiyyah? That was the word or term that was dropped yesterday by that Iranian Christian speaking in front of the McKinney Texas City Council. They'll just lie to you. They'll just lie to you. Hey, we're so weak. We come in peace. That's kind of what that sounds like. What do you mean? Islam in Kentucky, no problem. That's what it sounds like.

[Todd Erzin]

Yeah.

[Steve Dace]

This is the whole cloth, one way or another. Whether he really believes it, being paid for it, being deceived by demons, some fusion of those factors. This is the inevitable conclusion of believing that all religions are equal. This is one of the inevitable conclusions anyway.

[Unnamed Male Co-host]

Also because our so called experts of the faith on the Catholic and Protestant side are so weak, so anemic, so cowardly, so distracted. So whatever. They're not leading. We don't have the courage.

[Todd Erzin]

This is right.

[Unnamed Male Co-host]

Then Tucker can come in and keep defining what being a Christian is. Whether you're a new Catholic or a new evangelical, there should be a time, a process for growing into it before you're leading on any front. But he doesn't even belong to a church and he's telling you all what

[Todd Erzin]

Christianity is, which is why the dad bod guy wearing the Rose bowl throwback jersey is doing this job. Because I am confident of what you just said. I am confident it won't be done in most of our pulpits, which is going to leave a lot of our people defenseless. So if no one else wants to take turns confronting wolves, you know, or not many of us anyway, I will gladly do it myself. Let's get to the next clip.

[Steve Dace]

Tpusa did a poll during Amfest, or I guess it was after Amfest, and they asked the audience what they considered to be the greatest threat to America. And they did put radical Islam at number one. I'm wondering where you think those sentiments are coming from. I mean, I've heard you say before that this is an op and that we all know which foreign government it's actually coming from. Which government is it? And can you explain how that operation works? How is it, you know, kind of

[Unnamed Male Co-host]

lured into those from the Israeli government, and it's in its many defenders and informal employees in the United States? Of course. And I guess I would just say if that was actually. I mean, I don't know how people respond to the poll. I don't know who answered it. But, you know, I believe in measuring reality a little more empirically. And, you know, I don't know anyone in the United States in the last 24 years who's been killed by radical Islam.

[Todd Erzin]

All right, we can stop it there. You know, so this is from. This is from December of last year when Amfest. So this is just this last Christmas when Amfest took that poll. So he doesn't know anybody since 911 that's been killed by radical Islam. There have been no other terrorist attacks on American soil from people wearing Property of Allah shirts.

[Unnamed Male Co-host]

He's not even guessing. He says he knows that empirically.

[Todd Erzin]

He knows this empirically.

[Unnamed Male Co-host]

Yes.

[Todd Erzin]

And one of the things you can just tell from someone when they're a cultic gaslighter, everyone knows this, those kinds of phrases. What he's claiming, ironically, is expertise. He's essentially saying, stop following, you know, other liars and follow me as your liar instead. This is all very satanic levels of tactics here. It's all very dissembling and disarming at the same thing. So if you're living in Dallas right now, which is the headquarters of this company, the Blaze, and you think there's too many Muslims living there, and you're concerned about how many mosques are there in Texas now? What's the number? Is it like. Is it like 3,000 or something? You're part of an Israeli psyop. It's not really an issue. You know, you once said at the dawn of COVID that if we were already beginning to fall for transgenderism at that time, we would fall for anything.

[Unnamed Male Co-host]

Yes.

[Todd Erzin]

I'm going to tell you, based on the entire history of that religion and our own Western history, if you can't see the threat of Islam, you can't be trusted to see the threat of literally anything at that point. There has been no other than our own sinfulness. Because we can do bad all by ourselves. Other than our own sinfulness, there has been no greater threat to our heritage and way of life going back centuries, before this country was even a glean in Christopher Columbus or the Puritans eyes than Islam has been. The first war this nation ever fought was against Islamists. If you're diminishing that, then you can't be trusted on anything else. If you're right on anything, then it's. Then I would kind of just view it as you're right on this so that you can deceive me more on what matters most later on. Like if Candace Owens had started, if her career started with this Tyler Robinson thing, would her numbers be as high as they are? No. Because she didn't have years of credibility she built up talking about things like vaccines and other things. She cashed all that in in order to deceive people on this. If, if, if someone named. Griswold Carlson was saying these things, would he be getting all the. Was saying there's nothing to be concerned about? No. These are mostly peaceful Islamists. Would it be gaining the level of traction that it has? No, it's gaining the level of traction. It asks somebody who's has pent up and built in credibility in relationships named Tucker Carlson is doing it. What made Marcion a more dangerous gnostic than all the rest? He had credibility. His father was a bishop, he was known in the church. That's what made him more potent and powerful. And you use that relationship and you use that background to your advantage to lure people in, to be deceived. And I think now, Aaron, we're at the last clip, correct?

[Steve Dace]

Correct.

[Todd Erzin]

And now, and now you're going to see the deconstruction now goes all the way down.

[Unnamed Male Co-host]

I haven't seen you in 11 years though I've talked about you. Hunter Biden.

[Todd Erzin]

I love Candace.

[Unnamed Male Co-host]

I do too. I like Thomas Massie and Marjorie Child Green. I like that there are people that have kind of woken up. I have really only one question, one thing that has bothered me. So I just want to ask you point blank, did you drop off laptops?

No.

[Todd Erzin]

No.

[Unnamed Male Co-host]

The answer is no.

[Todd Erzin]

I say to everybody, okay, show me your phone. Because I showed you mine and you didn't find a goddamn thing.

[Unnamed Male Co-host]

We get approached by Israelis connected to Benjamin Netanyahu who are shopping this stuff to me at Fox News. The way that it entered the blow Bloodstream.

Exactly.

American media was not.

[Todd Erzin]

I don't have any more secrets.

[Unnamed Male Co-host]

Donald Trump, I think he had Such an opportunity.

[Todd Erzin]

He just decided that all he was going to do was for himself.

[Unnamed Male Co-host]

One of my closest friends went off the deep end and all of a sudden Trump's under the bed and it's like, whoa, whoa, whoa.

[Todd Erzin]

He was under my bed.

[Unnamed Male Co-host]

Just.

[Todd Erzin]

We are at an inflection point in this country.

[Unnamed Male Co-host]

What's your plan?

[Todd Erzin]

We are in debt. Desperate, desperate need of leadership. At this point. The Babylon be should just step aside. That wasn't even parody. That was real. Let he who has not posted a photo from his dentist chair of his filed down teeth from crack smoking, as Hunter Biden once did, cast the first stone. How in the world, how in the world did Israel. How in the world did Israel manage to have Hunter Biden completely abandon his own daughter, sleep with his brother's widow, become a crackhead? Give people plenty of prima facie evidence for who brought the cocaine into the White House. Who could have possibly cleared Secret Service with that, had enough access to the White House, to the West Wing to bring cocaine in. Maybe the most celebrated work Tucker did at Fox was Tony Bobulinski, Hunter Biden's associate. What was Hunt. What was, what was Joe's name? Was it the big guy that Bobulinski was telling us that that was always. Hunter was trying to, you know, get grift deals with the shy coms and others on behalf of the big Guy. Right?

[Unnamed Male Co-host]

Yes.

[Todd Erzin]

Now, see, now the deconstruction goes all the way down. Tucker's now deconstructing his own work. His own work. And he's saying, hey, the, the, the Jews made me do this. The Bidens are really the persecuted people here. We've reached rock bottom at this point. I'm not even sure what would warrant doing this segment anymore unless the, or until Tucker just flat out converts to Islam and appears, you know, with a towel on his head, I'm not sure where there is left to go here. The deconstruction has gone all the way down. There's nothing of value here anytime. It's a little bit like CNN has like a story out today. I think I sent it to you guys about Al Said in Michigan and all the YouTube videos he did. All right, and eliminating. And from 22 to 24, talking about getting rid of the Second Amendment, a bunch of stuff. He's deleted all these videos. Right. That would be what Rush used to call accidental journalism. Right. Where every now and then they just inexplicably do their jobs and there's just no way to figure out why would they tell us this now, right? I mean, the. The time to. For the left media, because it was actually done by cnn. So the time to tell on Al said would have been before the primary. You thought you get a better candidate in. So this would be just like accidental journalism. Tucker does anything that's good, it's accidental. And it's meant at this point just to gain more credibility with you so he can deceive you later. But if Tucker attempting now to retcon Hunter Biden and bring him forth to lecture us on the leadership the country needs, whose father was the most fraudulent president in the history of this country, a comatose, incompetent vegetable who one of his final acts was to give an auto pen pardon to maybe the most successful serial killer in American history. And Tucker wants to grant him a platform. Now. We're all woof now. We're all woof now. And we must confront wolves before they devour any more sheep. I yield the balance of my time to you two gentlemen.

[Unnamed Male Co-host]

The theater within which this kind of thing can take hold is our part to weigh, measure, and perhaps find wanting. There's way too many Tucker Candices et Als that are having varied degrees of success with that game. Too smart by half, at best. And if we don't stop this soon, the Francesca Hongs of the world. This guy in Michigan, it's already in New York. There's just no going to be returning anymore to the place that we want to raise our children in. It's going to take nothing short of an actual second revolution.

[Steve Dace]

Pastors, pastors, pastors, lay pastors, elders, pastors. It's time for you to step up. It is. And it's been time for you to step up for the better part of the last generation. Part of that is not your fault, but part of this. Much of this can be your solution through God and the Holy Spirit. This is now your time to step up. These are spiritual delusions at the very core. Yes. Psyops, sure. Money from Qatar, Sure. Money from Russia, Sure. What have you. But what. It's the effect that it's having, especially in the era that we just lived through, that we're still very much living in. I think it's becoming more and more apparent that the COVID era never really ended. That's the dirty little secret, because we're seeing outcroppings of this all over the place. We just got done talking about an hour of it. We spent the first hour talking about the actual beginning of the era of COVID the era of truthlessness and the worldview. Of whatever I'm told by anybody in a place of authority is automatically wrong. And to be doubted because I was lied to severely by the experts during one period of time or multiple periods of times, that's a really, really hard thing to break through. And it's understandable. But your job more than ever is now to point people towards the truth. Let the lion out of its cage. Those who have ears will hear. And the others, well, I think we're in the era, pray for them, but they're being deceived as they have the itching ears. Don't formulate your message. Don't formulate your ministry amongst those who have itching ears. Let the lion out of its cage.

[Todd Erzin]

Amen. That'll do it for today's show. Back editing tomorrow, noon to 2 Eastern, right after Glenn Beck, right here on Blaze TV. Until then, go hard. Romans 8:28.