Democrats Are DEMONIC: Republicans MUST Get Serious | 6/24/26

Summary

Podcast Summary: Steve Deace Show – "Democrats Are DEMONIC: Republicans MUST Get Serious"

Date: June 24, 2026
Host: Steve Deace (Blaze Podcast Network)
Co-hosts: Todd Erzin, Aaron McIntyre
Guest: Daniel Horowitz

Episode Overview

In this episode, Steve Deace and his crew dissect the fallout and broader implications of recent primary victories by far-left Democrats in New York, assert the urgency of principled conservatism and political leverage, and cast the current state of the Democratic Party as "a demonic construct." Deace sharply criticizes both Democratic and Republican Party establishments, calls for realistic, hard-nosed political strategies, and frames the current political moment as a survival-level binary struggle. The episode features a detailed critique of a controversial housing bill, a live "Buy, Sell, or Hold" segment on cultural topics, and a data-driven segment with Daniel Horowitz on why the housing bill is a trap for conservative America.

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Key Discussion Points and Insights

1. New York Democrat Primary Upsets and Ideological Leftism

• [00:31–02:17] The show opens by highlighting three notable upsets in NYC Democratic primaries, propelled by endorsements from NYC Mayor Zoran Mamdani and the Democratic Socialists of America.
  • Winners include Brad Lander, Darieliza Avila Chevalier, and Claire Valdez.
  • Aaron McIntyre: "[Avila Chevalier's] stated mission is to, quote, undermine and eradicate America."
  • Steve Deace: "All three of the individuals you just heard from are most assuredly heading to Congress and all three had the backing of Zoran...say inshallah."
• The hosts play soundbites displaying the candidates’ radical views (abolishing ICE, "free Palestine") and frame this as a sign of the Democratic Party's deep shift to the left.

2. Trump's Pivot to Domestic Policy and the Politics of Leverage

• [02:17–13:12] Trump’s energy, focus on domestic policy, and his announced refusal to sign a housing bill without concurrent passage of the "SAVE Act" are discussed as positive steps in utilizing political leverage.
  • Steve Deace: "This is an exact example of what I have been hoping the President would do, exerting this level of leverage."
  • Trump’s move is characterized as forcing Republicans to make a clear choice: pass needed legislation or risk losing base support.
  • Todd Erzin: "What's everyone in the President's base want?—SAVE Act."
  • Aaron McIntyre: "At least picking a fight. That's the only thing that it [accomplishes]."
  • Deace notes that the housing bill is divisive within MAGA, giving Trump room to make this negotiation with minimal risk.

3. Binary Politics: Conservative Survival vs. Progressive Domination

• [17:02–29:40] Deace offers a philosophical pivot: American politics has truly become binary for the first time—survival or death/exile.
  • "We have a major political party...given over to the spirit of the age," Deace insists, likening the current moment to facing Nero in early Christian history.
  • Steve Deace: "Survival or persecution, those are your options. It really is now a binary choice, sadly."
  • The Republican Party, for all its flaws, must be supported as the only realistic bulwark against Democratic overreach.
  • "I'm not here to talk anybody out of" opting out of national politics if they dedicate themselves to local action, but disengagement without replacement activism is condemned.

4. Critique of the Housing Bill and Red State ‘Kill Shots’

• [81:53–95:01] Daniel Horowitz joins to provide a rigorous critique of the proposed bipartisan housing bill.
  • The bill would expand HUD programs and tie local zoning to federal grant money, incentivizing Section 8 expansion and undermining local control.
  • Horowitz: "This bill is a section 8 transformational kill shot on Red America."
  • The real crisis is not housing supply but the artificial inflation driven by years of government-driven low interest rates; loosening zoning nationally would pave the way for progressive social engineering in red counties.
  • Steve Deace: "This is like the Common Core of the housing market...the No Child Left Behind of the housing market."

5. Disgust with Uniparty Politics and the New 'Binary'

• Throughout the hosts lament ongoing “uniparty” betrayal, especially when most GOP Senators support the housing bill but refuse to back the SAVE Act for election integrity.
  • Aaron McIntyre: "They fundamentally, at least, at the end of the day, they're accomplishing the same thing."
  • Deace and team repeatedly warn that Republican passivity will usher in progressive demographic and cultural takeovers.

6. 'Buy, Sell, or Hold': Culture and Media Takes

• [37:55–59:52] The segment covers:
  • The public’s appetite for relatable, flawed superheroes vs. aspirational icons.
  • The decline of Hollywood mystique due to actors oversharing on podcasts.
  • The emptiness of most cultural consumption and male lack of aspiration.
  • Multiple gags on current events, World Cup, and political memes.

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Notable Quotes and Memorable Moments

• On Binary Political Reality:

  • Steve Deace [25:30]: "You might not like some of the edicts that came out of the Council of Jerusalem, but you understand that, you know, you're up against Nero. That's really where we are."
  • "Survival or persecution, those are your options. It really is now a binary choice, sadly." [29:40]

• On The Democrats’ Shift:

  • Steve Deace [05:04]: "The Democratic Party...completely a demonic construct given over to the spirit of the age."

• Lament for Republican Inaction:

  • Steve Deace [19:01]: "Too many Republicans that we vote for...are not worthy of your vote and frankly aren't even trying to be."
  • "The Republican Party has an open window to pass legislation that would make it easier for it to win...and you can't get them to do it."

• On the Housing Bill’s Threat:

  • Daniel Horowitz [85:54]: "This bill is a section 8 transformational kill shot on Red America."
  • "What this bill does is...creates a national zoning standard, loose zoning...it calibrates [federal funds] towards the more you do away with your zoning and the more you build, the more money you get."

• On Political Leverage and Weakness:

  • Steve Deace [12:19]: "In no leadership structure...can you be permitted to lose control of the agenda within your own structure. Because if you lose control of the agenda within your own structure, you have no control really whatsoever. Right?"

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Important Timestamps

• 00:31 – Aaron’s news montage: NYC primary upsets, radical Democrat soundbites
• 02:17 – Trump’s optimistic domestic speech and housing bill standoff
• 05:04 – Framing Democrats as demonic, setting up the episode’s central argument
• 08:00 – Analysis of Trump’s legislative leverage and risk
• 17:02 – Binary choice in American politics: survival vs. exile
• 25:30 – “Up against Bane and Scarecrow is overseeing the courts...” analysis of the American left’s consolidation of power
• 29:40 – The “binary moment” and a call to realistic activism
• 81:53 – Daniel Horowitz joins to eviscerate the housing bill’s impacts
• 85:54 – Horowitz: “section 8 transformational kill shot on Red America”
• 95:06 – Steve summarizes: housing bill as “the Common Core of the housing market”

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Recurring Themes & Tone

• Urgency & Existential Framing: The episode is suffused with a sense of "last chance" American politics—continued passivity will result in permanent loss of the country to hostile forces.
• Direct & Combative Style: The conversation is frank, combative, and frequently laced with gallows humor and cultural snark.
• Pointed Criticism of both Sides: Deace and Horowitz criticize both Democrats (as “demonic”) and establishment Republicans (as weak, unprincipled, or complicit in America's demise).
• Calls for Realism: The hosts urge listeners to accept the world "as it is," let go of fantasies about the GOP, and engage in hard-nosed political fights and local action.

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Final Thoughts

For listeners seeking a sharp, unapologetic conservative critique of American politics and policy, this episode offers trenchant analyses, memorable polemics, and rueful humor. The call to treat politics as a binary existential struggle—including tough love for GOP voters—is the episode’s signature takeaway. The housing bill's critique is especially notable for its specificity and caution for Red America.

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End of Summary

Transcript

[Steve Dace]

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[Aaron McIntyre]

It's the C Day show and here's what happened while we were away. Brought to you by Mom, Don and Mania Three major upsets took place in New York City area Democrat Congressional primaries last night. The winners all had the full backing of Islamianist New York City Mayor Zoran Mamdani and the Democratic Socialists of America. Mamdani endorsed former New York City Comptroller Brad Lander against Representative Dan Goldman in the 10th congressional district, so called community organizer Darieliza Avila Chevalier against Representative Adriano espilot in the 13th district and Assembly Member Claire Valdez and the open seat contest to replace retiring Representative Nydia Velasquez. All three candidates won their primaries. To give you an idea of what these people are like, let's start with Avila Chevalier, who is the founder of cuad, whose stated mission is to, quote, undermine and eradicate America, end quote unquote,

[Steve Dace]

and who has said I know that we all deserve a representative who isn't bought by aipac. I'm also the only Muslim in my family. I reverted three years ago and wanting to make sure that we are reflecting that in that I'm reflecting that in every space that I'm in and that inshallah, if we make it to Congress, that we're reflecting that in the halls of power as well.

[Aaron McIntyre]

And we have former New York City Comptroller Brad Lander.

[Daniel Horowitz]

Solidarity.

[Steve Dace]

I said it was the force we

[Daniel Horowitz]

need to bankrupt our biggest foes. And I don't mean Wemby and the Spurs. Solidarity is the force that we need to vanquish Trump's fascism to abolish ice.

[Aaron McIntyre]

And of course Claire Valdez.

[Todd Erzin]

So are we ready to free Palestine?

[Steve Dace]

Are we ready to abolish ice?

[Aaron McIntyre]

All three of the individuals you just heard from are most assuredly heading to Congress and all three had the backing of Zoran say inshallah. President Trump visited Pennsylvania yesterday where he sounded unusually chipper and energetic, speaking only in passing about Iran a couple of times and instead focusing almost entirely on domestic issues.

[Daniel Horowitz]

Our tax cuts are projected to boost

[Steve Dace]

take home pay for Pennsylvanians by an average of more than $10,000 a year per household.

[Todd Erzin]

Think of it.

[Aaron McIntyre]

Trump also touted his immigration record, new investments into the US and costs. Still lurking in the background are the ongoing negotiations with Iran taking place in Switzerland. Secretary of State Marco Rubio bottom lines, what the administration is now trying to

[Steve Dace]

accomplish, if Iran makes a decision, if its leadership makes a decision that they want to be a country instead of a revolutionary movement that exports terror, they're going to have an opportunity to do incredible things in Iran. I'm not promising you that that's the choice they're going to make. I'm saying if that's the choice that they make, then there will be opportunities. And those opportunities could include investment. As you've seen, other countries in this region benefit from foreign direct investment. It won't be our investment. It won't be our government's money. But. But I think that that is something that's going to have to depend on progress made on a host of other security issues.

[Aaron McIntyre]

Crude oil, by the way, now trading at 70 bucks a barrel. Federal Judge Casey Pitts, a Biden appointee, issued a nationwide injunction this week that prevents ICE from arresting suspected illegal aliens inside of immigration courts because Reasons in Texas, 8 North Texas Antifa cell operatives were sentenced for their roles in rioting, using weapons and explosives, providing material support to terrorists, obstruction and the attempted murder of an Alvarado police officer at the Prairieland detention center on July 4th of last year. Five antifa terrorists were sentenced to 50 years in prison. One to 30 years in prison, another to 70 years in prison. And the ringleader, Benjamin Hanel Song, who was convicted in the attempted murder of a law enforcement officer, was sentenced to 100 years in prison. That's some pretty good finding out right there. And finally, three quick headlines. Rapid fire. These are all true, accurate and not clickbait. The first from not the Bee Report. Female cop shoots Jewish rabbi outside pornhub office in Canada while hiding from Marxist gunman who killed immigrant officer named Muhammad. This one from the New York Post. Scoop woman who emptied Nick's trash can on street then stole it fired from JPMorgan Chase was DEI executive. And finally this from Chicago. Chicago Mayor Brandon Johnson declares a femicide state of emergency. Isn't trans femicide the stuff they spray on crops? That's what happened while we were away.

[Steve Dace]

Not if they unless they want them to grow both ways. Aaron. Gonna be one of those days, is it?

[Todd Erzin]

Might as well.

[Steve Dace]

Might as well. Because after all, the Democratic Party, if you didn't believe it already completely a demonic construct given over to the spirit of the age. We'll detail what that means forward for people like us and then Trump pivoting to finally using some of that domestic leverage we've been urging to do here at home. We'll get to that and more here next on the Steve Day Show. And greetings. Happy Wednesday. Welcome to the Steve Day show here live and on demand on Blaze TV, radio and podcast alongside Todd Erzin and Aaron McIntyre. I am Steve Dase and we are brought to you by our friends over at Preborn for your gift of as low as 28 bucks. You could save a life today and maybe alter the destiny of a family's entire generation. Where else could you spend just 28 bucks to do that? And with our friends over at Preborn, where they will confront a woman who's considering whether to be a mom or a murderer with the the information that most of the time will prick her conscience and convince her that she really wants to be a mom. And then they're there to help that new family get started off on the right foot. Practical things like car seats and diapers, intimate things like counseling, all of that they offer free of charge as part of a value added there. But of course, none of it's free. And that's where you and I come in. And you guys have come in strong for Preborn now for going on three years as part of this partnership here on our show. Thank you for that. Let's keep it going. Make your tax deductible donation [e-mail] Steve. That's Preborn and.com Steve. And also, don't forget to get your America 250 merch. You can get it right now at shop.blaze media.com use the code Steve 10 for 10% off all your America 250 merch available right now. Shop.blaze media.com code Steve 10 for 10 off. Coming up on today's show, we're going to start playing Buy Seller, hold. Coming up later in the program, we'll be joined by the weekly prophet of woe and lamentation himself, Daniel Horowitz. But let's get to a couple of items that I wanted to highlight out of Aaron's montage. And let's start with the shorter story first, the president saying today that he will not sign the housing bill. I have been adamant. We have got to come home and we've got to start using some of our domestic political leverage to address our problems here at home. Election integrity is a fundamental problem in this country. And so The President today saying that he is not going to sign this housing act in exchange for not getting the SAVE act passed. And if you want the Housing act, put the SAVE act on my desk. This is an exact example of what I have been hoping the President would do, exerting this level of leverage. Now, this is a bipartisan bill, which usually means most bipartisan bills these days, usually what suck, I mean, was the last time we had a good bipartisan

[Todd Erzin]

bill, I was thinking how X rated I could get.

[Steve Dace]

Well, because of the topic we're about to say, we're about to address in a moment, what's become of the Democratic Party? It's very hard to come up with a good bipartisan bill when the other party is literally a demonic construct. Kind of hard to do that. Right.

[Todd Erzin]

And your party is the one you're actually having to exert leverage against.

[Steve Dace]

There's that, too. So this is a perfect piece of legislation for the President to do this, because within his MAGA base, this bill is very divisive. There are some that are going to say we need it because of the current housing situation, particularly with the Median home buyer 42 years old being the highest ever. Others, like our colleague Daniel Horowitz, and he'll join us later to explain why. We'll tell you, they just think this bill will make all those problems worse. So within the President's base, the bill may be popular comprehensively, but within the President's base, it's very divisive. So the President's not really risking any political capital here holding this bill up. If anything, he's putting off a fight that he'll have to have internally with his own coalition on whether he chooses to sign it or not. And the White House has been behind this bill in the past. So this is a very good moment for the President to exert some legislation. Congress clearly wants this bill. Elements of the President's base do not. But everyone in the President's base wants. What? What's everyone in the President's base want?

[Todd Erzin]

SAVE Act.

[Steve Dace]

The SAVE Act. So, you know, this is. This is a guy now whose worldview and native tongue is art of the deal. So I'm gonna. I'm gonna try to parlay something that a significant swath of my base does not like in order to try to get something that everyone in my base does like this. These are the kinds of leverage plays that are needed here at home. Todd is correct. It should not be needed because we're in control, allegedly. But we live in the world as it is. We always say around here, right, not as the world should be, or we prefer it to be. So it should not be the case that this leverage is required at all. Right. And we just have an up and down debate on the merits of this one piece of, you know, housing legislation. But is that the world that we're living in today?

[Todd Erzin]

No.

[Steve Dace]

No. So we have to deal with the world as it is. So this is exactly what I was hoping when the President pivoted back home from Iran, this is the kind of stuff that I was hoping he was going to do. I pray this is just the opening salvo and not the crescendo.

[Todd Erzin]

Speaking of the world, that is just an over under, what are the odds that Trump does veto?

[Aaron McIntyre]

This doesn't matter.

[Todd Erzin]

And the Republicans ultimately override that veto?

[Steve Dace]

Aaron, go ahead, you got opinion, go ahead.

[Aaron McIntyre]

The majority, I mean, these were both veto proof majorities in both, both chambers of Congress. So this, this has no chance of actually working. Here's what it does do. It's what I was saying yesterday, though. You're at least picking a fight. At least picking a fight. That's the only thing that it.

[Todd Erzin]

I'm not saying I'm all in. I'm just saying what's the over, under in your estimation? I mean, you're good at putting a number on these kind of things.

[Steve Dace]

50, 50. Okay, 50, 50. I'd say that they would be willing to, to do this and in a, in a strange way, you might want to hope that they do because it might really piss him off and it might more than anything else, provoke him to do more stuff like this. Again, I don't really see a loss here unless he just caves tomorrow. That would be a loss. Then would we do this for today? Right. He just caves tomorrow and signs it. Then we just did this. All for nothing. So barring the President caving, I, I don't really see a loss here. Either they acquiesce to his demands or they don't. They override his veto. And then, then you've really pissed him off, I think, at that point, because I think Trump is, as all leaders do, you have to understand, in no leadership structure, democracy, oligarchy, board of directors, elder board, monarchy, in no leadership structure can you be permitted to lose control of the agenda within your own structure. Because if you lose control of the agenda within your own structure, you have no control really whatsoever. Right, Agreed.

[Todd Erzin]

But if that, the 5050, if it goes away and if a veto is overturned is, I mean, that's just a guarantee of A midterm disaster. Right.

[Steve Dace]

Yes. And that's what the president is. Game planning.

[Todd Erzin]

Which means you're losing control of the agenda.

[Steve Dace]

Yeah. The President is game planning. Is that really the message you want to send to people heading to the midterm election?

[Todd Erzin]

It's a good game of chicken to pick, but it is a game of chicken.

[Steve Dace]

It is, it is. I mean, you know, like we said during the Iran war, they're going to get a say in how this ends, too. Like, they've got guns. Not as many. They've got soldiers. Not as many. Not as good. They've got weapons. Not as many. Not as good. But, you know, they're on scholarship, too. They're going to get to play, too. It's a, you know, there's two teams playing the game. Right. But based on, based on track record in leverage based negotiations, Donald Trump or John Thune, just taking what he's taking straight up there, probably.

[Todd Erzin]

It's so easy that it's Donald Trump that I'm just.

[Steve Dace]

Which is why I said a minute ago. Unless he comes back the next day or two and just caves.

[Aaron McIntyre]

Yeah.

[Steve Dace]

I mean, if you're Don. See, that's the other thing with Trump. You can't pick this fight now and not follow through. You look weak.

[Todd Erzin]

Right?

[Steve Dace]

You look weak. You've divided your own base for. Absolutely. Then you risk to be being the reason. You've divided your own base. Right. Well, in the end, guys, I had to cave on this. We didn't have the votes. But I need you to vote for more Republicans in November so that we can pass a legislation that they didn't pass the last time when we had the votes. Right. So you're right. We're playing a game of chicken here. But this is, this is. Donald Trump is not. And we all have strengths and weaknesses. All of us do. There's really no such thing as a man for all seasons, except for one. And we hung him on a tree. Right. And so we all have strengths and weaknesses. We all have situations where we thrive more than in other situations. We're more comfortable, we're more adept. It's, it's more our makeup and how we're wired. Right?

[Todd Erzin]

Yeah.

[Steve Dace]

Okay. Like if you, if you sent Todd to a chili cook off, he would be in his element. And the wackier and zanier and the more spiced and the more ingredients you threw into said concoction, would you, you would, you would feel more comfortable. Right.

[Todd Erzin]

Man, can I check out and.

[Steve Dace]

Exactly.

[Todd Erzin]

I want some chili.

[Steve Dace]

Now. If you sent Todd to a pumpkin spice eating contest. You'd break out in hives. What are we doing here? Right?

[Todd Erzin]

As with most American men.

[Steve Dace]

Yeah, except I'm the exact opposite. Okay, So I, I would not send Donald Trump to, you know, the, the, the St. Augustine Forum, philosophical meandering. I wouldn't do that. I wouldn't, I wouldn't. Hey, go debate the. We're going to need you to give us an hour on the deeper meanings, cosmic meanings of the really, of the real conundrums of, of existence. I'm not signing, I'm not drafting him.

[Todd Erzin]

He'd do better at Tucker at this point, to be fair.

[Steve Dace]

Right, but that's not, that's not his home team. That's not his game. Right. What is his game is a leveraged based negotiation. That is his game. And he has picked a fight here in his, in, in his subject matter expertise. I mean, it's, it's a little bit like if I was challenging someone's like, like you brought up Tucker. I've been challenging modern day Marcion's heresies for months now. Right. What if he finally said, hey, you, you, I'll let you. Come on, let's have it. And I decided, no, I'm not going to do it. What, would I look like a punk? I'd look like a punk. Would I not be going against my own brand to not show up for the fight? Right, right, right. Same thing kind of applies here.

[Todd Erzin]

Now.

[Steve Dace]

Now the president has way more stature and way more capital than I do. But, but number one, it's not endless because nobody's capital is endless, because the death rate remains.

[Todd Erzin]

Well, 100%, I'm pretty sure.

[Steve Dace]

Yeah. The death rate remains 100% ran out

[Todd Erzin]

of capital and that's why it wasn't president for four years in between.

[Steve Dace]

So no one has it and has, you know, and in. And a never ending vat of capital because we all end up expiring at some point.

[Daniel Horowitz]

Right.

[Steve Dace]

His term is already. The meter's running. It's running slowly right now, but after this midterm election will run a little faster and six months after that or run a little faster and six months. See what I'm saying? Right. So meter's running on Trump. Like it running on our, on us all. It runs on us all. So while he's got way more capital and stature than I do, if in the, in the situational equivalency, it's not never ending at the same time, he would take a dent and then what happens later on? Another piece of Legislation you've told those same handful of Republicans that are stymie you now on the SAVE act, something that 80% of the American people want, then they can stymie you on stuff that 60% of the American people want and 50% of the people want. See what I'm saying?

[Todd Erzin]

Yeah.

[Steve Dace]

Yeah. So it's not without risk, but it's also a game that the President has played as successfully as any, any, any man in American history has played this game on multiple fronts. So let's talk about how the rules of the game have changed in another arena. And we have been pointing out on this show now for several years that the Democratic Party is essentially a demonic construct. And the results that Aaron, you just highlighted in your montage there a minute ago, that happened in primaries, particularly in New York State, are indicative of this. But we saw the same thing in California in the LA Mayor's election. The city was offered a clear difference. Well, Steve, they stole the election. They might have. Which brings us right back to what we were just talking about, Right?

[Todd Erzin]

Yes.

[Steve Dace]

And why this is the most important piece of legislation that could be passed this year is this act, right?

[Todd Erzin]

Yes.

[Steve Dace]

Okay. Because you're right, they might have. I mean, it's not very common that third place finishers on election day in, in an election cast as many with as many ballots cast as one for mayor of Los Angeles, our second largest city just suddenly happened to bolt to first place in the days and weeks. Are they still counting? I believe I think in the California governor's race they are still counting, actually.

[Todd Erzin]

So

[Steve Dace]

here's what this means. And I have been. Let me, let me go back a step. I am never going to encourage another believer to violate their conscience unless it is very clear that what their conscience is telling them is unbiblical. Steve, my conscience is telling me I should break bad and sell meth. I'm going to urge you to violate your conscience because I don't think that's biblical.

[Daniel Horowitz]

Right.

[Steve Dace]

Steve, my conscience is telling me to slap my wife around and leave her. I'm going to but urge you to violate your conscience and hold it accountable to the scriptures because I'm pretty sure you're in violation thereof. Fair.

[Todd Erzin]

Fair.

[Steve Dace]

Okay. But aside from those obvious places, when we get into gray areas, you know, maybe we'll have to do this breakdown again in the future on how to see culture. I've broken it down in the past in terms of three realms. What we must reject, what we can receive, what we should redeem. Right. But we. What we must Reject the things the word of God says we can't are verboten to us. All right. What we can receive. The things the word of God is kind of like as long as you don't turn it into an idle man yolo you do you, you know, and then the things that we should try to redeem, the things that if we were to capture that institution or capture that zeitgeist or to capture that, that that moment in a culture would point to the kingdom of Christ. And therefore we have a desire to do that. That's our greatest desires, to be living sacrifices, holy and pleasing to God, as Paul writes in Romans 12. So when we're dealing in the middle area here, what we can receive, what we can take part in, or maybe what we don't take part in. I'm not going to be the violate your conscience guy. The truth of the matter is too many Republicans that we vote for and this has been true for many years, which is why a lot of you turned to Donald Trump in the first place, that a lot of these Republicans for many years are not worthy of your vote and frankly aren't even trying to be. That is the truth. Because you know a tree by its fruit and the fruit of that is obvious everywhere we go. The previous conversation of having to leverage the SAVE act is further evidence of this. Correct? This should be an absolute no brainer to do. Let's, let's pass legislation. What kind of political party has to be leveraged to pass legislation that would make it easier for them to win than an overwhelming majority of the people that they need to win want them to pass? How retarded does that sound to even say that out loud? The Republican Party has an open window to pass legislation that would make it easier for it to win and to ensure its power. And it and the in a clear majority, a super majority of the American people want them to pass it to improve their own political prospects. If that's not indicative of the fact most of and you can't get them to do it, you can't get him to do it because there's still too many sitting there in D.C. that what you and them think Republican Party means those they don't mean the same thing. And you know that. Again, that's why you turn to an outsider like Trump. You already know that not telling any telling you anything you don't know. Most of the time you're voting for speed bumps and not aspirationally as Todd likes to point out. We've made, we have made these points for years on this show, have we not? Yeah, I've been an independent. I've been at work. This is actually the longest I've been a registered Republican. I think it's been seven years. This is the longest I've been a registered Republican since I mean, I turned 18. And I was a young wannabe Alex P. Keaton. And I registered to vote for the first time and registered Republican for the first time. I've been involved in lots of primary fights. Some you know about, some you don't, all over the country. So I understand. And have channeled much of the angst against the. The surrender caucus known as the Republican Party throughout much of my career. Correct.

[Todd Erzin]

Yes. So if.

[Steve Dace]

If they've broken you, if they're telling. If you're at the point, I just can't do this anymore, man. But you're like, I'm just gonna go run for, like, school board or something at home.

[Todd Erzin]

I.

[Steve Dace]

You have got. Don't tell me they've broken me and I'm out and then just, you know, join another fantasy football league. Don't do that. If they've broken you and you're out, but you're just gonna find another way to fight locally in your community or something, then God bless you. Frankly, I'd probably take that trade in many cases, just having you passively vote as opposed to actively running for something to make a difference. Right. I understand all that angst. I'm not here to talk anybody out of it. Right. One of my best friends who's gonna join me in about 72 minutes would be one of these people. All right? But I just want to make sure I've got to do my job, and that's, to tell you the truth. Okay. As best as I understand it, you need to understand that really, for the first time, politics in America truly has become binary. You were lied to for many years. That it was. It really wasn't. That was the whole UNIT party thing, the whole unibrow thing, whole swamp thing, establishment thing. But it is the case now. We have a major political party in America that has been completely and totally given over to the spirit of the age. You might not like some of the edicts that came out of the Council of Jerusalem, but you understand that, you know, you're up against Nero. That's really where we are. And when it was ideologically based, it was not binary because there were too many Republicans that got into office that we didn't get rid of, that really ideologically didn't agree with us. And that's again, why we can't pass something as simple as the SAVE act here in the year of our Lord 2026. Right. And so when I say binary, here's what I mean. Survival or debt? You know what? Let's use the the Dark Knight Rises. Death or exile versus survival. The Democrats will offer you a binary choice. Death or exile. This is not a trial, a mere sentencing. You may walk the the littered with mine. Thin ice. Or we'll just take you out back and shoot you. This is not a trial, but a sentencing. I detest too many of these Republicans. And detest is a strong word. And that's not counting the group that I just don't trust. There's the group I detest. There's another group I don't trust. There's another group I trust but don't like. There's a small group I like and trust.

[Daniel Horowitz]

Okay,

[Steve Dace]

I don't think I'm going to make a very good Republican National Committee man. I should probably not run for that position.

[Todd Erzin]

Fair.

[Steve Dace]

No.

[Todd Erzin]

Fair.

[Steve Dace]

But am I lying?

[Todd Erzin]

No.

[Steve Dace]

No. You're up against Bane

[Todd Erzin]

and.

[Steve Dace]

And Scarecrow is overseeing the courts. That's another story that Aaron just had another universal injunction. You can't even deport people who are illegals in immigration court. I don't like being here. I've done a lot in my career to do what I could to avoid being here. Nevertheless, though, as we've been saying this entire opening monologue, we must live in the world. What as it is? Am I wrong? Am I wrongly adjudicating to this audience? Wrongly dividing and assessing that this is where we are?

[Todd Erzin]

No, because while I'm watching Aaron's montage, and as we're sending all of our political energy in the direction of Iran and the Strait of Hormuz, we have our own Iranian National Guard right here running New York. And that entire city is the Strait of Hormuz for a global economy.

[Steve Dace]

And pretty much every major city in the United States of America. Yeah, yeah. And the ones that aren't there yet are heading that way.

[Aaron McIntyre]

Need I remind you, also in Texas, we have an electorate that will vote for the guy that will vote for the Save America act, but won't vote for the guy who wrote the Save America act as well.

[Todd Erzin]

So

[Aaron McIntyre]

Republican primary voter. You know, with very few exceptions, one of them being here in our state of Iowa, our home state of Iowa. Republican primary voter. I mean, this is as much on you as it is anybody else as well. Yep.

[Steve Dace]

So you just need to understand, you may have deep seated Theological, philosophical disagreements that in past eras would not be reconcilable. But that's not the era that you're living in. You're living in an era of survival. That's the era we're in. And if you still come to the conclusion with your conscience that I really don't think if I vote for these Republicans, it'll make that much of a difference. You make that decision, and you won't have me condemning you or anything of that nature. You get to act on your conscience, and you're not accountable to me or another human being ultimately for it, but to your Lord, your Maker. My job, though prophetically, is to inform your conscience. And what I just want you to understand is that I made a career out of pushing back against false binary choices like transgenderism, for example. Now I'm telling you that we are in a binary choice.

[Todd Erzin]

We are.

[Steve Dace]

We are literally, it's survival, survive in exile versus all the other disagreements we have with one another. That's where we are. They're pushing. They're not relenting. It's a demonic construct straight up. Straight up. And they are showing you that every time they get even a scintilla of power, they will try to wield it beyond even its maximum capability against us and in the most punitive ways they possibly can. That is where we are. What you choose to do with it from here is not my responsibility. My responsibility is fulfilled. My job was to just tell you the truth. And I know that this world is complicated and there's not always cut and dried answers. I know that the Republican Party all too often is not the answer. What I also know, though, is that the Democratic Party never is. And all of their answers are very, very, very, very bad. And they will gladly take the power that you acquiesce to them having and slit your throat with it in ways they would have never done in the past that they will do now. Does anybody disagree with what I said now? Feel free.

[Todd Erzin]

I just hope the Giants have a really good season. Steve.

[Steve Dace]

Nice. That's where we are. I hate being here. I don't like being here. I much prefer nuance. I'm the reprogram, the Kobayashi Maru guy. I'm always looking for nuance. I'm always looking for the path out. I'm always looking for the exception. There's not one here. It's Nero or the. The rest of your arguments that you have with one another, those are your options. Survival or persecution, those are your options. It really is now a binary choice, sadly, iseller hold is next. The steve day show. So why do they have over 2 million happy customers at Fast Growing Trees? Well, reason number one, they've got America's largest, most trusted online nursery, thousands of trees and plants that you can choose from both indoor and outdoor. Number two, there's the alive and thrive guarantee that promises that your plants will arrive on your front door happy and healthy. And then number three, their trained plant experts will help you plan your landscape or your interior, help you choose the right things for either environment, your particular climate, and learn how to care for them every step of the way. So go ahead and make your next call, your next decorating, your next landscaping call. Make it to Fast Growing Trees at Fast Growing Tree. Except don't call them. Nobody does that nowadays. It's not tonight, it's 2026. Go to the website fast growingtrees.com use the code DACE. And if it's your first time there, you'll get 20 off your first purchase at fast growingtrees.com maybe you're going back again. Don't worry, they got every day great sales there anyway. But if it's your first time, an extra 20 off for [e-mail] with the code DACE. That's fast growing trees.com code days. Well, I want to say thank you guys. We are now for the fourth time since we released this book on May 26th, we are for the first time the number one new, or the fourth time, I should say the number one new release in children's Christian books in America, according to Amazon. That's my latest, which you still have time to get your copy before Independence Day for your family, complete the set of My Americans or my American Heritage Christian Heritage children's book trilogy. Why Independence Day? America is great because God is good. Here's a preview.

[Aaron McIntyre]

Every Fourth of July, we light up the sky. We wave our flags, we celebrate. But if your kids asked you why, could you tell them the real story? It's a story that starts 3,000 years before 1776, a story most people have never heard told this way. A miracle in the desert, a miracle on Christmas night. Commandments carved in stone, A constitution rule written on paper. What's the connection? This 4th of July, give your family the story they've never been told, the one that explains everything.

[Steve Dace]

So we've only got a few thousand copies of the hardcovers left, so I want to make sure you guys get yours before the Independence Day holiday. Go to Amazon right now. Get your copy of why Independence Day America is great because God is good. And if you have your copy and you love it, please leave us a five star review at Amazon as well. Those greatly help the book with sales too. So thanks to all of you, the hundreds of you that have already put those in for us and to help us count down to Independence Day. Now Todd is here with we're looking at the top eight providential moments that made America. I think today we're on number three.

[Todd Erzin]

Well, speaking of providential timing, your monologue pairs perfectly with what I'm going to talk about today. Because there's always at every age in American history, there's a binary choice between God and the spirit of the age. Thomas Paine called his attack on the Bible the Age of Reason, and many accused him of being an atheist. But in fact, even he was so hostile to atheism that he sailed to France after 1789 to fight against it, holding it responsible for the bloody massacres of the Terror. Such hostility to atheism was nearly universal in America, on the ground that where there is no omniscient judge, political power knows no moral check. The highly admired Unitarian preacher of New England, Jonathan Mayhew, articulated this in 1766 Power is of a grasping, encroaching nature in all beings except in him, capital H, to whom emphatically it belongs, and who is the only king that in a religious or moral sense can do no wrong. Power aims at extending itself and operating according to mere will wherever it meets, with no balance, check, control, or opposition of any kind. Sound like New York, anyone? Each American slaveholder had to be prepared either to wield the lash upon recalcitrant slaves or to order others to do so. From this dreadful master slave relationship, the early Americans, even those not directly involved in it, knew how bad slavery was and feared lest something similar might lie in store for them too. They dreaded stealthy encroachments on their liberty. Quote for while men sleep, then the enemy cometh. And so if tares which cannot be rooted out till the end of the world, Jonathan Mayhew went on, stop it. In its beginnings, after a while all will be too late again. Sound a little bit like what Steve was talking about. For the founding generation, common sense arises from the traditional wisdom of the ancient philosophers and moralists and from close personal observation of daily life. But the Founders also appealed to a second source of illumination, the Holy Scriptures. Read with the eyes of faith, the Scriptures in their hands, American Protestants tried very hard to be teachable. The philosophy of Jesus is the most sublime and benevolent code of morals ever offered to man. That's Thomas Jefferson. A more beautiful or precious morsel of ethics I have never seen. America's founders believe that the Bible is the best book on republican principles ever written. And here's the data on that because Steve's a data guy. Professor Donna Luntz countered, counted, excuse me, 3154 citations in the writings of the founders. Of these, nearly 1,100 references, or 35 sent of them, are to the Bible, with about 300 each to Montesquieu and Blackstone, followed at a considerable distance by Locke, Hume and Plutarch. Those are all philosophical giants. But standing above them all, when in the founders hearts and minds was clearly the Bible and the data shows it.

[Steve Dace]

Which is why when you go to Washington D.C. pardon me. Which is why when you go to Washington D.C. you're going to see way more testimonies and monuments to the likes of Moses and St. Paul than you will Montesquieu and Logan Hobbes. So that's great stuff. Do not let them steal our heritage from us. And that's why I wrote this book. That's why this was always going to be the conclusion of this trilogy. Why Independence Day? America is great. Because God is good. Get your copy today. We've only got a couple thousand hardcover editions left, so get it now before the Independence Day holiday is up. And then also if you got yours and you like it, please leave us a five star review. And thank you if you have why Independence Day? America is great Because God is good. All right, with that, you guys ready to play some buy seller? Hold.

[Todd Erzin]

Let's go.

[Steve Dace]

Let's get to it. You guys know how this works. You have given your submissions to Mr. McIntyre. He has gone through them all, or just randomly grabbed them all and just fed him into his machine. One of the two, Maybe a little bit of both. Right, so, Todd, you and I have yet to see these. We are going to react to them in real time. We're going to buy, we're going to sell. You are permitted to hold. You are permitted to hold. Goodness, what is going on with my voice? Hold on. What happened here? All right, so you are permitted to hold, but that is considered such a grave sin against the dude code that some significant form of punishment will have to be meted out. Todd, I'm gonna let you pick the punishment this week. I don't think I've ever done that before. I'm gonna let you pick it if.

[Todd Erzin]

Yeah, if you punk out. You have got to go Watch Supergirl this weekend.

[Steve Dace]

Okay.

[Aaron McIntyre]

Is that coming out this weekend?

[Steve Dace]

That is coming out this weekend.

[Todd Erzin]

Because that's.

[Steve Dace]

I mean, by the way, it's sitting at 59 right now in Rotten Tomatoes, which is not a great review.

[Todd Erzin]

What's more of a dude code going to see that movie or he.

[Steve Dace]

Man, I would say it's your motivations would determine.

[Todd Erzin]

In either case, you're trying. You don't get to Kubi hashim Auru. This. It's just. It's an up or down.

[Aaron McIntyre]

So this. Go ahead.

[Steve Dace]

If you. If, if, if corporate media reviewers are giving a movie with a female superhero girl boss a 59 rating. You see where I'm going with this? I mean, they'd be the most predisposed to exaggerate and accentuate its positives because it would kind of align with, you know, what they're all about. Right. Agency or identity representation. Right. So if they're giving it 59%, I'm kind of like, yikes. Anywho. I'm sorry, Aaron, were you gonna say something? You're up.

[Aaron McIntyre]

Yeah, so. But this is a late breaking one. I'm just gonna have to describe it to you. I wasn't able to take a screenshot, but it was from TC Turtle, who has the gif of Joaquin Phoenix's Joker laughing. You can picture that in your head. To buy sellerhold about Rob Sands laugh in response to the question, how many genders are there? It's possible he was channeling his inner Joker. Buy, seller, hold. It's funny because I sifted through all of the Joaquin Phoenix jokers to try to find a clip that I could splice in there because I had the exact same thought. And then at the end of the day, I was like, no, Ralphie peeing his pants. I think that's more accurate.

[Steve Dace]

Agree with you. I'll sell. I like your idea. Your suggestion better.

[Aaron McIntyre]

So, Todd, buy, sell or hold Ralphie or Joaquin Phoenix's Joker for Rob sand answering the question, how many genders are there?

[Todd Erzin]

I don't want to punk out. The answer is yes. I mean, it was perfect what I saw, but if you had done Joker, I would have said perfect. So I'll just hang with what you did the first time because I love

[Aaron McIntyre]

the Ralphie Wiggum on Context of Days 2. Electric Boogaloo has this. Steve will perform the black national anthem at a WNBA game before he speaks at cpac.

[Steve Dace]

Oh, my gosh. That graphic is, first of all, about £30 ago, but it's hilarious. The black national anthem at a WNBA game. And I love that Caitlin. Caitlin Clark is sitting there over my shoulder at the same time. That is classic. This is. This is. You start thinking, this thing's been going on for 10 years. We've been doing this meme with this, Right?

[Todd Erzin]

Yeah.

[Steve Dace]

You start thinking it's kind of run its course. You're running ideas, and then you see this. All right, that's as good as it gets, man. I have to buy. That's incredible. You bet.

[Todd Erzin]

Yes.

[Aaron McIntyre]

Next, we will go to this submission from trumpet tiger. Steve would rather be forced to watch every minute of a World cup game between the men's Senegal and Mexico teams than suffer his this week's Lindsey Graham hold. Penalty. Buy seller. Hold. You'd rather be forced to watch every minute of a World cup game between the men's Senegal and Mexico teams.

[Steve Dace]

So since Todd did the penalty, we're really saying, I would rather watch he man and Supergirl than watch Senegal versus.

[Aaron McIntyre]

I think what we're saying is, Todd, you messed up.

[Todd Erzin]

So we. Well, this. That's what's. Because normally on the day that I pick this, this is perfection. Because it totally resets things. Because absolutely. We all know Steve is going to go watch those movies a couple of

[Steve Dace]

times before I watch this. 10,000 people.

[Todd Erzin]

And it doesn't matter how gay those movies are.

[Steve Dace]

Yes.

[Todd Erzin]

Oh, he'll. Yes. He'll slurp it all.

[Steve Dace]

Yes. 10,000%.

[Aaron McIntyre]

Todd would rather be forced to watch every minute of the new he man movie than suffer this week's Lindsey Graham hold. Penalty. Now, there's a Kobayashi Maru.

[Todd Erzin]

Well, see, so. But the penalty is the he man. And the. I guess it's technically just what's opening this weekend. I. So which one? So I have to pick which one I'd rather see. He man or. Or Supergirl.

[Steve Dace]

Correct.

[Todd Erzin]

Oh, my God, this is a terrible choice. I mean, it is, really. These movies, this is just. They're both so emasculating.

[Aaron McIntyre]

I think I already held the first one, basically.

[Todd Erzin]

Yeah, I think I'd rather see Supergirl because I'm curious. I'm more curious about the ways that it's going to be bad. I knew exactly how he man was going to be bad, and I was exactly right about that.

[Steve Dace]

I mean, I look at it as. There's a good chance there's at least a couple of non gay moments in either Supergirl or he Man. I mean, the World cup match between Senegal and Mexico is just going to be full on gay. I know that that's a given going in. I know.

[Todd Erzin]

See, that's just projection. He could.

[Steve Dace]

Nice.

[Todd Erzin]

They're actually having.

[Steve Dace]

My wife has something to say about that.

[Todd Erzin]

They are actually having prayer circles at soccer games. Who are they praying to or what they're saying? They're absolutely saying to Jesus and the USA Soccer team. It's happening.

[Aaron McIntyre]

The final one. Aaron would rather be forced to code the next app with Grok rather than Claude than suffer this week's Lindsey Graham hold penalty. I'm selling Grock sucks that bad?

[Steve Dace]

Wow. Because isn't Claude like the most left wing one?

[Aaron McIntyre]

It can be. Yeah, it can be. Okay, next Tactics says next year most Major League Baseball teams will continue to do Pride events, Pride Night events, but there will no longer be any special jerseys the players will be expected to wear on Pride Night.

[Steve Dace]

I'm going to sell because I don't think there's going to be a next season. I straight up don't. I'm going to sell.

[Todd Erzin]

I'm selling.

[Steve Dace]

And if there is, it won't start until after Pride.

[Todd Erzin]

I'm selling because for all the reasons Steve talked about in his monologue, they're not going to stop just at this. Yes, there's a pause. Did you see the. The struggle session? They just put Buster Posey through on this and instead of just going full bleep you, bleep you and bleep you, he just kind of went into his monotone. I'm only going to answer baseball questions. I mean, we're not. Sports is not run by men. Sports is run by sports, bro. And they don't care if you trans their kids. All right? They just don't. Which is why my joke about I just hope the Giants do well. It doesn't. New York can burn as long as they get to watch college football and pro football for like six months a week. And then. And you know, that's the truth.

[Aaron McIntyre]

Okay, Ryan, the Christo fascist Porter says the never Vance because he can't convert his demon loving wife. Bros are fake. And because they are also the only Vance because Israel sucks bros. Oh my

[Steve Dace]

gosh, I hate it.

[Aaron McIntyre]

Yeah, it's kind of one and the same.

[Steve Dace]

Yeah, you're just seeing the same thing all over again. I totally agree with this. I didn't know that was a thing, though. So there are literally people making the case against Vance, who became a Christian after he got married, that his wife hasn't converted yet. I had no idea that this was even a.

[Aaron McIntyre]

Well, you know who the most prominent voice was originally? It was Mr. Fuentes who said he would rather vote for Gavin Newsom. Like, seriously consider. It's just nihilism all the way down.

[Steve Dace]

Yes, it is all the way down.

[Todd Erzin]

And these are the young men that you regularly talk about and that we absolutely have to say. But the dark side of this is. Is displayed in this and in the recent Tucker interview, where they're finding more common cause with Islamic men and how do they treat their women than whatever's going on in their backyard? It's. It's dicey, man.

[Steve Dace]

Mm. I mean, it's called the narrow road for a reason. I mean, if you look up narrow road in the original Greek, it means narrow road.

[Todd Erzin]

Yes.

[Steve Dace]

I mean, that's what.

[Todd Erzin]

It's.

[Steve Dace]

What it means. It's pretty narrow road. How do you. How do you. How do you do patriarchy without Bronze Age pervert? And how do you grant women agency as also being equally made in the likeness and image of God without creating a longhouse? That's a very narrow road. And outside of the word of God, we have not been capable of doing it as a species for going on 7,000 years. We tend to go into one ditch or the other. And is the current era, well, biblically equipped as an era?

[Todd Erzin]

Well, I'm sure we'll find the answers this weekend in Supergirl.

[Steve Dace]

Exactly. The answer would be, no, it's not. So right now we've got the Bronze Age perverts versus the longhouse. That's many of the debates. Yes, and they're both losers.

[Aaron McIntyre]

Speaking of Supergirl, Todd, quickly before the break. James Moon says actors having microphones and podcasts has done more to destroy Hollywood mystique than letting celebrities talk for three hours and reveal they're kind of retarded

[Steve Dace]

100%. Oh, that's definitely true.

[Daniel Horowitz]

Trying.

[Steve Dace]

Trying to genuflect to the audiences that they think that the things they need to say on social media.

[Todd Erzin]

Yeah.

[Steve Dace]

Has alienated a ton of our people from ever seeing their stuff. 100. Yes.

[Todd Erzin]

Yes. Yep.

[Steve Dace]

One is just ignorance. The other is malevolence.

[Todd Erzin]

Right. Yes.

[Steve Dace]

Hour two is next. All right, back here with hour two of the Steve Day show, here live and on demand. That would be me with Aaron McIntyre and Tod. Let us know what you think about what we think via the stevedase.com inbox by emailing the show [e-mail]. that's D E A C E Like us on Facebook. Me, we and Gab. Pardon me. Had to slobber with my cough drop in there. You can also follow us at Steve Day show on X Instagram and Tik Tok. Subscribe to our YouTube channel @Steve Dace on no Rumble. I don't know what a YouTube is at Steve Dace on Rumble because they don't know who I am at Steve Dace on Rumble. And then finally, if you're a podcast listener, make sure to hit us up with a five star review as tens of thousands of you have. Thank you for each and every one of those and then hit subscribe. Or if you're an Apple, itunes follow and that's we. That way you're going to make sure you never miss an episode. It's there in your podcast feed every single time. And you also never want to miss a Kexi cookie box. All right? They have right now. So since they gave me the ad a second day, we must not have done our job. They've only got 250 of these Fourth of July cookie boxes for America's 250th. There's only 250. Don't make me do it. All right, if you guys don't. If you guys don't sell these out, I'm just gonna go order five of them myself. For America, of course.

[Todd Erzin]

Sure. Ask not just like all the other things you've hoarded in your garage over the years, Ask not

[Steve Dace]

what your country can do for you, but what you can do for your country. Mr. Erzin. Yes.

[Todd Erzin]

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[Steve Dace]

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[Aaron McIntyre]

Continuing with pro life means no exceptions Gun failing to rebuild the DC universe with hopeful, accessible heroes that are just like you that people do not want. Instead of Zack Snyder's darker tone and real heroes, I think this is the real submissions. People who want people want a hero that are just not like them and rise above human flaws. Reminder to everyone, please submit your buy, sell or hold submission. So I don't have to edit you on the air as statements and not questions. We have two different segments. You can submit questions for Ask Dace Anything and Feedback Friday. These are statements, bold statements, so I don't have to edit on the air end of psa. So buy, sell or hold. People want a hero who are not like themselves and rise above human flaws. Buy, sell or hold.

[Steve Dace]

For the most part, that's been true throughout human history. I mean, there were, if you look even at the Greek mythology, for example, they would humanize their pantheon and they would act out and have illicit sexual relations and things of that nature. But there was almost always some kind of consequence for those actions. It caused some kind of demigod rivalry, caused another God to be expelled from Olympus or to lose their stature. And ultimately they created those gods, those demonic gods, or they worshiped them because they viewed them as being beyond themselves. So I, I do agree that history dictates that this is the case. By the way, since he invoked Supergirl, this is the review tweeted out just a second ago from Variety. And you don't get any more access based media in Hollywood than Variety, right? They you're talking about. This is what I'm about to read is if you tuned in to MSNBC and they talked about how horrible a democratic campaign was, then you would like, know it was bad, right? Okay, here's the tweet. I'm just gonna read it. Supergirl is a super horrendous comic book movie with the worst script I can remember reads Varieties. Review from Owen Gleiberman. James Gunn said he wasn't going to going into production on any movie until the script was rock solid for that was the overriding problem with the superhero overkill era. The films had lousy scripts which served as grids for layering visual effects. Gunn was right to want the comic book genre to take the comic book genre back to the basics of well structured screenwriting. So what has he done in his second DC outing? He's given us a comic book movie with the worst script I can ever remember. That's Variety. That's Variety. Yikes. Yikes.

[Todd Erzin]

Excellent.

[Steve Dace]

And so what's the, what's the first thing? And this is what I've been trying to communicate because it's kind of a generational thing. My son, who is way more finicky about movies, he's a absolute born cinephile. He's got a critical eye I don't have. He likes the new Superman movie way more than me. And, and my issue with it isn't in the way that it was made or even in the story, it's that it lacked spectacle. They tried so hard to make Superman relatable to me that they took the reason away. We looked up to him in the first place. They took away much of what made him super. I mean, the movie begins with him getting his ass kicked, right then. He almost gets dumped right then. He gets. I mean, it's just. We have the wrong idolatry about our heroes today. What do I mean by the wrong idolatry? If we were a culture in a good place, the idolatry we'd be. We would be wrestling with is placing them on pedestals. They don't belong. Like, there was great. There was great controversy when Richard Donner borrowed the language right from. In the New Testament. In the first. In the Christopher Reeve Superman movie, the son becomes the father and the father becomes the son. That's right out of the New Testament. He blatantly was borrowing from that Christological allegory. There was a lot of controversy. That's going too far. See, if. If we were a culture in a better place, we'd be flirting with the idolatry in the opposite direction, which is putting these heroes in a place where only God is supposed to be and turning to them for salvation instead of our Lord. We're doing the opposite idolatry now. We now are actually trying to deconstruct and diminish our heroes. And this is what he's talking about in his post, I believe, and putting them down to our era. And our weaknesses.

[Daniel Horowitz]

And

[Steve Dace]

I don't think it works. And it's a lot of what Marvel did the last few years along with Wokeness. So we'll see how they rebound at the end of the year when Avengers, the new Avengers movie comes out. But this is part of the storytelling here as well. And I think when you have some. With the D.C. under James Gunn, I think when you have a hero like a Batman, who we all know is human and damaged, you can get away with. With doing that. But, but when you're. We're talking about beings that have small g. Godlike abilities, you diminish them when you do that. And so I, I agree with this submission for sure.

[Todd Erzin]

I am selling. We. We don't really want heroes. The majority, though, the majority just want to be entertained, whatever that is. And if that's porn or if that's just too much money, football, whatever, it's, it's. It's that base. Because if it's really fundamentally about heroes, that that word has Definition and meaning. And it's something we want and desire because it calls us to do something big and bold ourselves. That's we will. We relate to that. We clearly don't relate on that novel because we had great writing and great hero movies of multiple studios in multiple ways, male and female. We had it for what, 15 years. Batman, Marvel, DC super. I mean, genuine greatness. And we live in the culture. We did now because we didn't really. We don't want to be heroes. That's clearly not what we're looking for. We just want to be titillated. We want a dopamine hit. We want a video game. That's all we want here. And here's a movie example for what we really want. And it's one of the last good new good ones. The first Shazam. And Mike.

[Steve Dace]

Mike Zachary Levi.

[Todd Erzin]

My girls are still young enough. I've never seen the second one and I heard it wasn't as good.

[Steve Dace]

It wasn't as good.

[Todd Erzin]

Okay. But the first one was good and my girls really liked it. But there's a scene that my daughter mimics really, really well, Charlie daughter number three, when Shazam. I think he like wakes up on a bus or a subway, something like that. And there's this. And he's in costume and there's this dude across from him. And this dude goes, man, white cape, white boots, white belt. It shouldn't work, but it does. That's what most people are like vis a vis superhero state it it. Bright colors, full Free Guy. Another great movie. They managed to get this right, you know, the. The amped up, roided Ryan Reynolds guy who's like, ooh, pretty colors in video game world. That's what most people go into this stuff are. They don't want to be heroes. They just want to be in the video game.

[Steve Dace]

Okay, so we're talking about NPCs, non playable characters.

[Todd Erzin]

Yes.

[Steve Dace]

And that's what Free Guy got right.

[Todd Erzin]

That's being a man, especially being a Christian man. It's not a leisure pursuit and way too many of you think it is. And you show me every time why we engage this topic. Because of how mad you get at me. I'm sorry, but you've made this into an idol. That's terrible.

[Aaron McIntyre]

All right, you ready to get your conspiracy hat on real quick?

[Steve Dace]

Sure.

[Aaron McIntyre]

Joel. GJ says Rupert Murdoch croniest Rockefeller, who loathes the grassroots, is using Tucker to nuke and delegitimize alternative, non cable, independent right wing media. Reasons we haven't heard about Tucker's Fox severance package.

[Steve Dace]

I. I'm going to sell, but here. But here's why I hesitated. I don't think this is happening intentionally, but it is the end result. Your end result is accurate.

[Aaron McIntyre]

It's. Yeah. Indistinguishable.

[Steve Dace]

Yeah, yeah. It. So. So the end result is the same. And. And this is. This is what's happened in Europe. It's not just that they lost agency. They did. But let me tell you one of the reasons they lost agency. No one's a victim. No one is a victim. Literally no one. Even if the worst crimes or sins have been committed against you, you have also committed sins against a holy God. So no one. No one has the inability. No one has any standing, no matter what terrible thing you have endured. And this is what I had to accept growing up with abuse. I'm not a victim. I've made terrible decisions. I didn't take ownership and responsibility of my past. I bullied others. I took advantage of girls. I'm not a victim. No one really is a victim in the way that we define it in our modern parlance, because we're all sinners. So we all have a reason why we deserve hell. No matter what terrible stuff has been done to us, we have at least one reason why we deserve hell. We have offended, violated, trespassed against a holy God. And therefore, what's happened in Europe is, number one, they allowed their agency to be taken away, but then, number two, because they became godless, The. The. The right is. It's. It looks and sounds like Tucker and all that gobbly gook. And so it's great at generating an online audience, but, like, normal people are like, I don't want that anywhere near me. I don't want to live next to that. And so they lose normies, like, in every single election because they're all. They're all. I know some of you think, like Ben Shapiro, gatekeeps too much. I might agree with you. We got to have some gatekeeping, though, guys. We got to have some. Yes, we got to have some. Particularly because our shepherd says to enter in through the narrow. What gate? Enter in through the narrow gate. So there's got to be some. You may think Ben goes too far. There's been times, I'd probably agree. But Ben is right. We've got to have some. There has to be some gates. Someone's got to keep the gate. You can't have a Christian worldview without gatekeepers. Right away, the Lord appoints apostles. Right away, they plant churches, ecclesias Gatherings, buildings. They then appoint deacons, elders, leaders. The Catholic to my right, like, go on. All right, there has to be structure. There has to be structure. There's got to be gates, which means we got to have gatekeepers. Prophets were called in the Old Testament as gatekeepers, watchmen on the wall, warners to the people. You, hey, if you were outside of the gate, get back on the narrow road. There's got to be some gatekeeping. There has to be some. So because they, because they are godless over there, the right over there is largely. They can't make cogent arguments. Do you guys ever watch any clips of Charlie going over to England before he got murdered last summer? Did you see any of that stuff? Yeah, Holy cow.

[Todd Erzin]

At Oxford or Cambridge.

[Steve Dace]

Yeah, just boilerplate. Boilerplate stuff that you do on. And I love Charlie to death. Okay. If he were here, he'd agree. He'd tell you, Steve, I just went over there and said like the same stuff 50 conservative podcasts say every single day. And they looked at me like I was Aquinas. Yeah, just, just grab a, just grab a podcast on the right in America. And that's much of what Charlie said over there in England last summer. But given how the right is over there, they're like, wow, there are people with double digit IQs that believe this stuff. And when you're godless, you're going to get. It's unavoidable. Unavoidable because if you're godless, then you've made yourself your own God. And so you're, therefore you're rebelling based on your own thoughts, your own emotions, your own instincts. And guess what? All those things are if you're godless. Godless, that's what they all are. So you, you end up replacing edicts of the. Of. Of the elites with Justine from the Makita.

[Todd Erzin]

Sad.

[Steve Dace]

And you replace the Christian religion of the elites with a pagan one and you empty the prisons of who the elites put in there and you just put your own people in that you wanted to put in prison falsely. Instead. I just described the entirety of the French Revolution to you, by the way, if you're godless, you're going to end up. It's just a matter of time. It's not. It's impossible to avoid it. Your brain is busted. And so they went godless because they were godless. They gave up their agency. And now as they try to recover their agency because they're godless, they sound retarded and turn off. They can't reach a critical mass of voters, no matter what kind of a leader they get. That's why their only success was Brexit. Because that just asked, that just asked regular people in the UK normies to just vote straight up on us on a principle and not for any particular person or philosophy. Do you think the United Kingdom ought to be its own country? Was essentially what Brexit was about and it won. Ringo Starr even bragged that he voted for Brexit as a labor guy. And so yes, we are in danger of becoming similarly the stuff Tucker's saying is this Ron Paul guy that I responded to yesterday on X, used to work with Paul in Congress, used to run the Ron Paul Institute. Christianity has way more in part, way more in common with Muslims. Go grab, you know what, go grab some 38 year old white normie in, in the Dallas metroplex. Never been to a church in their

[Daniel Horowitz]

life

[Steve Dace]

and they're just trying to take their kids and dog to the dog park, but they don't know Arabic. Ask them if that makes sense to them. Ask them, you know why it doesn't make sense?

[Todd Erzin]

Because it does.

[Steve Dace]

Because it's, that's why it's. And all people are sinful, but they're not all stupid. So yeah, we are. We are going to become a right without God, just like we become in every other way of life without him as well. And that's exactly what's happened to Europe. Yeah, some bad things have been done to us over there, our people over there. But the worst thing is what they did to themselves, which made them a target now for the system to keep doing to them over and over and over again. And we're on pace to do the same thing here. That's why we're in revival or bus territory. And the only reason it hasn't happened here yet is because a lot of those white Christian boomers who believe in Zionism had gave, had enough voters to hold this off so that you had time to go on Twitter and, and moan and complain about them in their theology that you really don't know a damn thing about. You just know tropes. I could continue on, but I'm done now.

[Aaron McIntyre]

Anything to add, Todd?

[Todd Erzin]

The only thing I would disagree with is when Steve said we're going to. That's a future thing. It's now. It's right now. We are there. So what are you prepared to do? Sean Connery.

[Aaron McIntyre]

Jim Stocker is next. Trump's endorsement of John James for governor of Michigan will basically end the primary. Unlike what we saw in Iowa, the Rumor Fox News crowd will crawl over broken glass to vote for him in the primary to prove how not racist they are. James will lose in November.

[Steve Dace]

I'm going to hold off on. He'll lose in November. Michigan is a very quirky state. I mean, again, this is what happens when you put two different things in the proposition.

[Aaron McIntyre]

Right.

[Steve Dace]

It's hard to nail both of them, you know, or to get us to have the same opinion on both of them. Michigan is in a very unique position right now where our polling prospects in Michigan have actually been better than they have been comprehensively across the country. There's just some unique unpopularities there with Gretchen Whitmer. A lot of it has to do with being in power for a long time. Jocelyn Benson's not very popular there either. So I think it's way too early to say that, that he will lose. But your first part is 100% accurate, so I'll buy.

[Todd Erzin]

I just want to know how Connor Stallions is going to vote.

[Steve Dace]

I think I'm pretty confident how he's going to vote, actually.

[Todd Erzin]

Yeah, Very principled.

[Steve Dace]

I mean, there's a, there's a reason why you're calling somebody like me for PR advice and, you know, not somebody on the other side. So you probably do the math from there.

[Todd Erzin]

Where does he live, by the way? Is he still in Ann Arbor?

[Steve Dace]

I could tell you, but.

[Todd Erzin]

It's in the vault.

[Steve Dace]

Moving on.

[Aaron McIntyre]

Next we go to bo. The only real evidence there's a hidden, nefarious dark side to JD Vance and we therefore shouldn't trust or vote for him in 2028 is the fact that Joy Behar said she liked his vibe after meeting him on the View. That is true. I saw that.

[Steve Dace]

Dude. That's. That's a good argument. I can't, I'm not gonna. If, if you're basing your. Listen, that's a good rule of thumb. I'd prefer that you do the Bible, but if you're just not. I'm not. I'm not into that. If you're looking for a good rubric of how to make ethical life based decisions and it is to go against everything Joy Behar says, I must confess unintentionally as it is, you will actually align with the Bible more often than you probably realize. So it's not a. That's not a terrible rubric by which to base your assessments from. So I will buy.

[Todd Erzin]

I am selling. I am convinced that the. I mean, there's all kinds of terrible reasons that network's platform dreck like this, but this particular show, the only reason it's still on is because of how conservatives are obsessed with it.

[Steve Dace]

I think that's 10,000% true.

[Todd Erzin]

Like, why do we care what they say?

[Steve Dace]

It's total audience. This was, by the way, its biggest episode since the 2024 election was the one with JD on it. So almost two years. Its total audience is roughly around 2 million, which is okay for a network show, but certainly nothing worthy of keeping it on the air for 20 years. And I would guarantee the social media reaction on a given day. Aaron, would you say three, four times that probably. That we generate on our side alone and reacting to it?

[Aaron McIntyre]

Probably easily.

[Steve Dace]

Yeah. Yeah. And every time you take those clips off their YouTube and splice them, those views, they're monetizing all those views that we're taking off of their stuff. So, yeah, you bet.

[Aaron McIntyre]

All right. Go to chit bat crazy. Who says for America's 250th, McDonald's is reintroducing for a limited time, the fried apple pie. That is true.

[Steve Dace]

It is.

[Aaron McIntyre]

Buy, sell, or hold. If upon your first bite in the. The inner filling is not the temperature of molten lava, then this whole thing is fake and gas.

[Steve Dace]

Yes, absolutely. If, if, if you aren't. If your next call is not to an attorney, then they really didn't bring the apple pie back because that thing was. Do you remember how hot that thing was? You should just sit it on the counter for like 20 minutes. Man. That thing was a. Was molten lava. It was the first lava cake.

[Todd Erzin]

I was actually, I was a cherry pie guy.

[Steve Dace]

I preferred it, too. I did.

[Todd Erzin]

But I will, I will sell, because this is pulling punches. If you were serious about this, it would be the fries in beef tallow go back to the way it used to be.

[Steve Dace]

That's fair. But I do love the molten lava and how hot the original McDonald's pies were. So by all means, yes, we were a great country once.

[Aaron McIntyre]

Yes. Vanta Clause is next. Thomas and Alito will never retire because they know the current GOP senators will never confirm a suitable constitutionally minded replacement.

[Steve Dace]

So I have come around on this. All right. And give Molly Hemingway credit. When she was on our show a few months ago, she changed my mind on something because I started the year being very adamant that one or both of these guys has got to step down so that we can replace him right now when we have the votes. And when Molly was here, what was it? Maybe in March for her book about Alito and kind of his memoir. And I asked her about that. And she said she totally disagreed. And her reasoning, I thought, was pretty sound. She said that? Steve, be honest. Do you think even the Republican majority we have right now would vote for a one to one replacement for either one of these guys? It's a downgrade no matter what. So her logic was, if it's a downgrade no matter what, then hold on to the upgrade for as absolutely long as you can. Even if you got to Joe Diffie this thing and prop them up beside the jukebox when they die. And you know what? I think she changed my mind on that. Enough so that I texted my old friend Ginny, who, you know, Ginny, Thomas Clarence's wife, who used to adore me and share my work with everyone she could until I made that. Took that position I took in January. I texted her back, I said, I think, you know what? I owe you an apology. You know, instead, triple your vitamin D.

[Daniel Horowitz]

Okay?

[Steve Dace]

Whatever it takes. Whatever it takes. Because I think Molly's right. We won't get any upgrades. We won't. So why. Why take. Since we don't know how much longer those guys can live, I guess the argument is don't. Don't bet on what you don't know. Bet on what you do. What we do know is those are the two best judges we have had in 100 years together, or at least since Scalia died. So we're going back a decade, right? So at least we know that. So why take a. Why not just go ahead and ride that out as long as you can, given the urgency of the moment? I get that now. So it changed my mind.

[Todd Erzin]

I get it, too. I'm just selling only because they're as. As men. They are bound to be different. They're. They're not living. I don't care what they do, what they choose to do, but I will respect the heck out of them if they just say, you know what? This whole thing isn't on my shoulders. My time is done. I'm gonna go move off and enjoy my next. Maybe I got a decade of life left and I enjoy it differently. Everybody, really. This whole conservative legal establishment can't fill in here. I mean, I just. They're right to just say, I kind

[Steve Dace]

of don't think that it can.

[Todd Erzin]

I know, but they're right to say, well, then screw, because it's not my job. I'm going to move on. I've done enough. See that. We're not. We're not desperate. I mean, like. Like Ruth Bader Ginsburg, where, you know, Literally, the corpse will stay because that's the best thing they can imagine in life. Those guys have good legal philosophies because they have good life philosophies. They understand that this is more than this demonic handshake that the left has made with whatever they think living is. So I just. If we. You have to counter that choice into. Their legal philosophy isn't in the abstract. It's a life. It's God. And so if they just said my relationship with God now has to move on to the next phase and it's not here as judge, I'm not going to blame them one bit.

[Aaron McIntyre]

All right. From something serious to this. Brutus says this. Lindsey Graham was the designer of the 4,000 new water retail stations in London.

[Steve Dace]

No. Gosh, no. Puts it back up there. I'll buy.

[Todd Erzin]

Sell.

[Aaron McIntyre]

Bryson Davis says Aunt Petunia is now coming to Thanksgiving with Uncle Petunia screaming, look at the Jews.

[Todd Erzin]

Sounds about right.

[Steve Dace]

I like it.

[Todd Erzin]

Look at the Jews.

[Steve Dace]

Yes, I like it. I'll buy.

[Aaron McIntyre]

Jeffrey has this. Steve has never worn a pair of boots in his life.

[Steve Dace]

Not true at all. I wear my Toccovas to do lawn work all the time. I've had other work boots all throughout the course of my life. Not as nice as my Toccovas. Here's looking out. Yeah, I've had snow boots. I've had lots of pairs of boots. That's just not true.

[Todd Erzin]

Sounds reasonable.

[Steve Dace]

Yeah.

[Aaron McIntyre]

Such a random.

[Steve Dace]

Which is why you chose knit to pick.

[Aaron McIntyre]

Which is exactly why I chose it, of course, but just random. So there's that. We'll end on this one. For this segment, Trump will soon refer to the reflecting pool vandals as the algae BTQ vandals.

[Todd Erzin]

Yes.

[Steve Dace]

Oh, gosh. That is incredible.

[Todd Erzin]

Put. Get that in his hands.

[Steve Dace]

You gotta copyright that. Are you kidding me? I mean, you've got to create a burner account. That's the. That's an anonymous account Todd will permit you to have. You can have that one, right? Holy cow. That is good. Yes. All the buys back with the profit of woe and lamentation.

[Todd Erzin]

Next,

[Steve Dace]

The steve day show. All right, back here on the Steve Day show, brought to you by our friends over at Chirp. I've got to travel this weekend for some meetings that a lot of you are going to want to go. Well, trust me on that. And then I'm traveling the following weekend to do a DC event for America, 250 for TPUSA. Another Make Heaven Crowded event there for our 250th birthday. And yes, I'm going to be taking my rolling power mini massager with me wherever I go. Todd can tell you he's traveled with me. That thing's in my suitcase every single time. I never leave home without it, man. It's just one of those kinds of preventative health measures that they have available to you at Chirp. Like for example, foam rollers which are great trigger point rollers which are great in helping with breaking up inflammation, soreness, things of that nature to help keep you active as much as possible. There's the Chirp contour that helps with professional grade decompression and spinal massage at the same time. These are all FDA cleared devices and treatments. They work just like the stuff you get in clinics, but right there from the convenience of your own home without all those expensive appointments. And you can get them from our friends at Chirp right now. This stuff is key to get active and then also stay active as we're older. All right, so go to go chirp.com Steve Go chirp like the birdie chirp. C-H-I R P Go chirp.com Steve Use the code Steve to get 10 off at gocherp.com Steve all right, let's bring him in. He's the prophet of woe and lamentation, our good friend Daniel Horowitz. Good to see you my friend. Hope that you are enjoying your summer. Let's get to the, the, the gauntlet that the President kind of threw down here this morning. I've been clamoring for us to start using some domestic political leverage against Republicans in Congress like the President has used, well, frankly, against our, our right wing buddies in the Freedom Caucus or foreign nations and virtually everybody else. So this morning they were supposed to pass the housing bill, which I know you don't like and I want you to tell our audience why. But this is a bill the White House has supported, but it's very divisive. Within maga there's a, a not insignificant group of folks like yourself that are not for this or there's other elements that are for it. So it's a, it's a bill that's divisive with his own, within his own base. He said, hey, I'm not signing it until you give me the bill that I and my entire base wants, which is the SAVE Act. So you're so to me, I don't see a loss here for the President per se because he's parlaying, he's trying to parlay anyway a piece of legislation that divides his base to get a piece of legislation everyone in his base wants, with one exception. If he were to back down and look weak here, then the message has been sent to that handful of Republicans that don't want to vote for any good stuff. Forget, you know, not only do you not have to vote for the 80% stuff, you don't have to vote for the 50, 50 stuff, you don't have to vote for anything. He's a paper tiger, right? And so he's got to know that going in. Like, he's got to know he's the guy that's done all these high, you know, scale leverage negotiations his whole life. He's got to know, Daniel, you're going to throw this gauntlet down now. You got to kind of see it through. But what are your thoughts on this in this entire scenario as it played out this morning?

[Daniel Horowitz]

So, look, in one of the preparatory articles I wrote in anticipation of Trump's presidency second term after he won, between November of 2024 and January, I wrote an essay on the four letter word TRUMP needs to learn. And that is, of course, veto. And I think just, just for no other reason, it would be good to dust off the veto pen and use it. Obviously, you picked one of the few, but the most exciting news story of the week that I'm the happiest about because, yeah, I really feel you should veto the bill anyway. So I'm glad he's finally using that leverage because what, what we find is he'll retrospectively complain about something like, let's say the SAVE act not getting passed. But then in between, he'll constantly lend support to a lot of things they're doing, whether they're authorization bills of certain welfare programs, NDAA appropriations bills, farm bills. You know, you'd be surprised. There's actually a lot of bipartisanship going on. It's really pertains to most things that, that matter. So I think this is exactly the move that needs to be made. I think the focus, you know, after being so much on foreign policy, needs to be on domestic policy and needs to be on things rallying the base. I was just speaking with a friend of mine in Missouri who's involved in politics there, and they were lamenting just the turnout. There is no interest in primaries. I mean, this, this is a very big problem we're seeing. And that is an indictment of 17 months that should have been the most transformative trifecta ever given the mandate. And the fact that they can't really point to anything other than, ironically, these Bizarre liberal expansion of government bills to show their base. And I think we all know the economy is terrible. We all know Democrats are in a very good position. They're at first and goal. What is it that you're going to show the people? And moreover, how are we going to prevent January 2027 from not looking a lot worse than January 2021? Meaning you're coming off of the presidency with essentially nothing to show for it, with Democrats erasing it overnight. So I think the politics is good. Look, whether he'll stick with it, I'd love to think he will. But both what we've seen with domestic and foreign negotiations, I, I'll eat my hat, Steve. If he sticks by it, I think

[Steve Dace]

he's at least got to force them to override his veto. It weakens him if he does not. And you know, since the death rate remains 100%, the meter is running on all of us. Not even Donald Trump has an endless vat of capital and, and prestige and stature because, you know, he eventually will assume room temperature. Right. And the meter's running on his presidency. And right now it feels like it's running slowly, but a year from now it's going to feel it's running faster. And a year and two years from now it's going to feel like it's really running out. Right. And so a lot of times, the way you expend that capital when you have it determines the rate of how, of just how fast or slow that meter starts running. If he, if he shows weakness here, that meter is going to pick up much faster and towards the back end of his presidency. So let's talk about the, the legislation itself. We have a housing problem. I look at my own home street. All right, we bought our house exactly 20 years ago for $236,000. And it was right after a new mall, a big, the biggest mall in Iowa opened. So everybody's values are going to go up. That's one of the reasons why we bought this neighborhood. Twenty years later, a house four doors down just sold for a half a million dollars. So you look in the skyrocketing prices, you look at this, you look at interest rates have gone a little lower, but they're still way higher than they were even five years ago. We have a first time median home buyer age in America's 42, the oldest we've ever had. Right. There's a, there's a real housing issue. So why doesn't this particular bill address that, Any of that in your mind?

[Daniel Horowitz]

Sure. So, so this bill takes every HUD program that the Trump administration has, OMB budget every year promised to either cut or eliminate, like the home or the community block grant program, and it expands it. This bill is a section 8 transformational kill shot on Red America. I want to get to why it's a kill shot and I appreciate you taking the time here. I want to just. First back up to. Both parties are misdiagnosing the cause of the housing crisis. Fundamentally, we know what it's about, Steve. We live through it. It was the same thing that created the 2006 bubble. It's the same thing that created the COVID bubble. The government put interest rates at near zero for endless periods of time. So you had unnaturally unmarket low interest rates. They had this affordable home and universal ownership program that started under Clinton. Everyone needs to buy a home. Then it became a piggy bank rather than a vital commodity necessity for individuals. Like a consumer product, it became a private checking account, a store of value. So government, between 2.6 trillion MBS purchases at the Federal Reserve level, the near zero interest rates, the endless FHA programs to get people that can't afford homes to afford homes, all that stuff is what created a housing bubble. It's not. It doesn't take a genius to figure that out then for the first time in a generation, because inflation was out of control, which of course that in itself raises the cost of construction and maintaining a home. That forced interest rates to go. Honestly, Steve, interest rates right now are about 100 basis basis points below the World War II average, post World War II average. And that is for any time, much less an inflationary time like this. But our market can sustain it.

[Todd Erzin]

Correct.

[Daniel Horowitz]

So it created this interest rate trap where people so quickly in one generation went from owning homes pursuant to 3% mortgage rates now to, let's say 6.5. And they don't want to sell unless they absolutely want to need to sell. And.

[Steve Dace]

Can we pause for a second? I want to make sure people are following what you just said because older folks are going to say, well, we paid 9, 10% interest rates back in the day for our, for our home. We didn't have the inflation you have today. We didn't have the taxation you have today. We didn't have the cost of living you had today. We didn't have the wage stagnation that you had today. We have this mass influx of foreign workers driving wages down that you had today. And so what they did to what you're. What I hear you saying, correct me if I'm wrong. So our audience can follow is, is what both parties did for how they sold out America and Rob Peter to pay Paul for the last generation is they created this artificial bubble of low interest rates to try and bypass all the other added extra cost of living that they passed on to you. So there was one narrow road for you to still own a home like your parents and grandparents did. Is that what you're saying?

[Daniel Horowitz]

Bingo. Every policy they did was designed to try and attempt to make unaffordable prices affordable rather than allowing prices to fall to where they need to be.

[Steve Dace]

So the macro economy, it's the macro economy version of I'm going to get one more credit card to pay off all the other credit cards. That's essentially what you're describing.

[Daniel Horowitz]

Yeah, it's the easy money. In the year 2004, the amount of MBS is the Federal Reserve owned was zero. Okay, so that's, that's a big, a big part of it. Again, multifactorial. But that is the main reason now we're caught in interest rate trap. Yesterday housing data came out. It's very important actually come to think of it. The price of resales, existing homes, think about this. Is now higher on average than new construction. In fact, we have 10.2 months of new construction. That's actually above average inventory. Historically you want maybe six, seven months or so. I think usually. And that speaks to the point, Steve, that you know, prices are going to come down. They have to come down because people can't afford them. But, but the, the resales, unless they die or have to sell, people don't know what to do because they're, they're, they're stuck in that rate cliff. So that's the problem. In comes both parties and they're like, I'll tell you the problem. There's not enough supply. Build, build, build, build, build. Okay? So to the extent you could find truthful data to that, that would be in places like New York and New Jersey, okay, that have choked off inventory with certain regulations. Everyone agrees the south is over built. It was an exaggerated reaction to the COVID migration and now it's going back the other way. It's always a rubber band effect where, you know, everyone went to red states and now it's cooling off. The inventory is not the problem. What this bill does is in order to solve a New York, New Jersey problem that we shouldn't be trying to incentivize people to build and move there. It creates a national zoning standard, loose zoning. We just want loose Zoning. Now, I know we zoning is a balance. We all have times where we don't like certain zoning. But if you're a red county, you want to deal with that with your people, your neighbors, equitably where you are. You don't want a federal standard saying we want affordable housing in your area. It creates, you know, so what's written in it is fewer setbacks, smaller lots, duplexes, quadruple plexus, multifamily units. Then it takes all the Section 8 programs and the formulas and calibrates them towards the more you do away with your zoning and the more you build, the more money you get. Now, politically, you have to understand, and you know, I cover this with an array of issues. The biggest reason why red states aren't red and get screwed over is because the local rhino politicians, along with their land developer donors, care more about their narrow interest than the quality of life of the people. That is the central problem. They're addicted to federal grants to bring in refugees. That's why they're into refugee resettlement. That's why they're into the data centers. That's why they dotted your part of the country with wind and solar. It's the same prison. They're doing it with flock cameras. Now they get federal DHS grants. This is the thing. So you're taking a loaded gun to the head of red America, the vulnerability of its politicians and saying, here's a national zoning standard. You adopt it, we're going to give you a bunch of money. When again, in most parts of red America, it's already overdeveloped. And anyone running in primaries will tell you the biggest way to get defeated is by being on the wrong side

[Steve Dace]

of that good stuff. I mean, it's terrible, but good stuff by you. Thank you, Daniel. Good to see you.

[Daniel Horowitz]

Take care. Thanks.

[Steve Dace]

You bet. All right, we got about two and a half minutes thoughts in the conversation we just have with Daniel.

[Todd Erzin]

I don't know why it's terrible. It all Daniel said is there's just too much money. I've just been told that that's like there's morality and then there's too much money. And these things never shall meet. And if there's just too much money, you gotta go down that road, right? Anybody tired of that? No matter what the topic, anybody tired of that? Because it's a guaranteed loser. It's a culture killer. Thank you, Daniel, for seconding that notion.

[Aaron McIntyre]

You know, everybody is going ape this morning. Apoplectic this morning over the communists winning in New York. See, I'm listening to this and I was even reading some, I think a post that was geared towards people like us trying to sell us on this. And this is the same. Well, we gotta toggle back and forth between this housing bill. This is the same bill. You remember that, John. We'll toggle back and forth between the SAFE act and the housing bill. Somebody trying to kind of sell people like us on this. And I came away with some of the same conclusions that Daniel did. We were going apoplectic over the communists winning in New York congressional elections last night. Feels like this. Didn't they already win? We can't do any. We can't even consider. We can't even consider a market based loosening of restrictions. No, the loosening of restrictions is tied to more money, more federal money. That's. The market isn't the carrot. The federal money is.

[Steve Dace]

So, so we're talking. This is like the common core of the housing market, basically, is what Daniel is saying.

[Todd Erzin]

Yes.

[Steve Dace]

The race to the top of the housing market, the no Child Left behind of the. The housing market. And it's one of those things. You know, I talked earlier about how Molly Hemingway won an argument with me and my libertarian friends. This is the one argument with me they did win. And they taught me the principle, it ain't no fun when the rabbit's got the gun. Right. This all sounds well, good and reasonable. When our people in charge and they're the ones doing the zoning requirements. Right. What happens, though, when you establish these powers and we get a pharaoh that knows not Joseph. What's he gonna do with him? He's gonna turn rural red states into ghetto stand. That's what he's gonna do. Yeah, that's what he's gonna do.

[Aaron McIntyre]

So this is an immigration bill. It is.

[Todd Erzin]

Yeah.

[Steve Dace]

Yeah. This is a replacement. It is in the hands. In the hands of the wrong people. It's replacement theory.

[Aaron McIntyre]

Correct.

[Todd Erzin]

Yeah.

[Aaron McIntyre]

This is an immigration bill, you know, sold to us by the same house or I'm sorry, Senate Majority Leader John Thune, who says we cannot do this? Passed with super majorities, did it not? But we can't do the Save America Act.

[Todd Erzin]

This is also what's happening. They just hate you, by the way.

[Aaron McIntyre]

They just hate you. Yeah, they hate this country. We can go apoplectic over these communists in New York who just say that out loud. John Thune and his ilk of Republicans, most of them in the Senate. They fundamentally, at least, at the end of the day, they're accomplishing the same thing.

[Steve Dace]

All right. We'll stick around and do more Buy seller. Hold in the overtime for subscribers. For the rest of you, we'll see you tomorrow noon to Eastern, right after Glenn Beck. Until then, go hard. Romans 8, 28.