DOOMED? Can 'STAR WARS' Be Saved? | Guest: Tim Young | 5/8/26

Summary

Steve Deace Show – “DOOMED? Can 'STAR WARS' Be Saved?”

Date: May 8, 2026
Host: Steve Deace (A), with co-hosts Todd Erzin (C) and Aaron McIntyre (E)
Guest: Comedian Tim Young (B)

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Overview

This episode of the Steve Deace Show covers a mix of politics, faith, pop culture, and media with trademark snark and uncompromising conservative commentary. The central theme circles around cultural decline, the infiltration of leftist ideology into institutions—including churches and pop culture—and a lively, at times hilarious, but ultimately sobering debate about whether the Star Wars franchise can (or should) be saved. Tim Young adds comedic flair, digging into “heresy from the pulpit,” the failures of modern entertainment, and the radical shifts in media personalities like Megyn Kelly. The group also responds to listener feedback on jury duty, higher ed, and Christian witness in modern America.

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1. Opening Banter & Week in Review (01:20–13:00)

Key Discussion Points

• Tim Young's Return: Tim signals he's ready to “burn bridges,” and the crew jokes about possible on-air conflicts with Todd.
• Media Hypocrisy & Political Shifts: The team riffs on how quickly public figures can fundamentally reverse opinions, hinting at Megyn Kelly's changes as a major topic for later.
• Aaron’s “Bleep Lord Nefarious” Montage: A satirical audio package is dissected, featuring soundbites on the weaponization of the DOJ, pride flags, progressive vs. conservative use-of-power, and mockery of woke and heretical church leaders.

Notable Quotes

“It's not that he's a Democrat so he believes this. It's that he believes this so that he's a Democrat. That's the worldview that leads you there.”
— Steve Deace, (07:11)

“I insult him because I don't want to be on the record as looking like I agree with him. I'm really playing the psychological game with you guys.”
— Tim Young, (01:42)

Memorable Moments

• Montage reactions (06:49–12:00): All hosts express deep concern at “heresy from the pulpit,” especially clips of self-proclaimed Christian pastors denying biblical truths.
• Snarky banter on alleged media collusion and Eric Holder's actions as AG, highlighting institutional hypocrisy.
• Ranking “total depravity” of the week (16:02):
  • Todd: “10.”
  • Tim: “10 when you start getting involved in the church the way they have.”
  • Aaron: “That's a 12 for me.”

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2. Can ‘Star Wars’ Be Saved? (16:13–29:08)

Key Discussion Points

• Nielsen Data & the Disney Era (16:13): Steve presents grim streaming stats—fans prefer the original and prequel films, but recent content (especially “feminist” Acolyte) is nearly unwatched.

• Steve’s 4-Step Plan to Save the Franchise (17:00):

  1. No Live Action for 5 Years: Focus instead on high-end animation, targeting children and bridging nostalgia.
  2. Theme Park Overhaul: Redesign all attractions to center on the original trilogy.
  3. Maximize Nostalgia: Market only the hopeful, timeless past content.
  4. New Trilogy After a 5-Year Hiatus: Adapt the Timothy Zahn post-Jedi novels with recast, non-woke unknowns, and enforce strict “no politics” clauses for everyone involved.

• Panel Reactions:

  • Todd: Rejects even trying to save it—“Let it die. Smash the idols. It’s just a crack addiction used against us.”
  • Aaron: Agrees with Steve’s pragmatic plan but says the root problem is foundational rot in both culture and corporate profit incentives.
  • Tim Young: Wouldn’t trust Disney with children’s programming “for at least 10 years” and says current Disney would inevitably inject progressive ideology regardless.

Notable Quotes

“The fact that you had to try so hard is the reason why we shouldn't try at all. Kylo Ren had it right. Let the past die.”
— Todd Erzin, (20:07)

“I would absolutely not make any products for 10 years, period. Let it die. Go back to the original stuff.”
— Tim Young, (23:21)

“We're not making any more Gone with the Wind…I'm totally fine with not making any more and enjoying what they once did from a nostalgia standpoint.”
— Steve Deace, (25:04)

Memorable Moments

• Theme park ride frustrations: Tim shares (hilariously) about repeatedly getting stuck with “non-English speaking people” who can’t play Disney’s Smuggler’s Run properly, drawing a parallel to “our current society.” (24:11)
• Exit Question – Movie Quote for ‘Star Wars’ Future (27:23):
  • Most pick: “Let the past die. Kill it if you have to.”
  • Steve: “If you lost Tim Young… you’ve lost.”
• Star Wars as Cultural Idol: The consensus emerges that nostalgia-driven, corporate-controlled franchises may not be salvageable at all—and shouldn’t be.

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3. Megyn Kelly’s Dramatic Flip on Islam (31:10–41:16)

Key Discussion Points

• Megyn Kelly’s Contradictory Stance: Recent viral clips have her swing from calling Islam incompatible with Western values to defending and praising Muslim viewpoints, without any intervening facts justifying such a swift turn.
• Panel Analysis:
  • All agree no “benign, innocent explanation” fits—only “sinister or craven” motives (financial gain, audience chasing, pressure from powerbrokers).
  • They stress the lack of ideological consistency in media, noting opportunistic pandering to whichever audience seems ascendant.

Notable Quotes

“There's no benign, innocent explanations for this...I can't come up with any possible reason other than all the worst ones.”
— Steve Deace, (36:13)

“Shift in opinion is like a young actress playing a pregnant girl in a cult classic called Juno and then going on to play Achilles in a modern day film.”
— Tim Young, (36:57)

“Broadcasting 101: you orbit the sun, the audience. You reflect whatever the audience wants. But were there not millions of Muslims in the US ten years ago? Why now?”
— Aaron McIntyre, (39:44)

Memorable Moments

• Button-your-shirt snark: Tim quips Megyn “could dress more modestly” when lauding Islam, since “her Islamic friends would want that.” (38:01)
• The hosts agree that Kelly’s actions show a new trend: ideological inconsistency in pursuit of ratings and influence, unconcerned with truth or principle.

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4. Feedback Friday Highlights (53:15–95:49)

Noteworthy Feedback Questions

A. On Salvation and Israel (53:15–68:44):

• Listener Brian asks about whether Jews “require” Jesus for salvation, and whether Israel remains a prophetic nation.
• Steve’s Response (detailed from Christian orthodoxy):
  • All, Jew and gentile, require Christ for salvation (“grace”), not works or ethnicity.
  • Dual Covenant theology is roundly rejected by virtually all evangelically-minded pro-Israel Christians.
  • Israel's ongoing status as “prophetic” isn’t about current obedience, but God’s faithfulness—no nation or person can “earn” or perfectly keep covenant.

DISCUSSION

• The lack of basic teaching in churches leaves people vulnerable to bad information and manipulation (including Tucker Carlson’s and Candace Owens’ recent claims).
• “Most Americans are hearing this for the first time, and that’s a problem.” (68:44)

B. Replacing Christian Martyrs with “Propaganda” (71:00–72:19)

• Listener Sarah recounts her Rome Coliseum tour guide dismissing the story of Christian martyrs as “propaganda,” even suggesting the memorial cross is for the animals.
• Panel laments ignorance among modern “educated” professionals and the ease with which historical Christian suffering gets erased or mocked.
• Todd: “We are sacrificing Christians [in American culture] all the time now. We’re doing it to ourselves, that’s what’s even more amazing.” (73:49)

C. On Higher Education and Foreign Students (74:51–77:11)

• A listener who works in college admissions confirms: foreign students (especially from China) pay full sticker price, making them crucial financial lifelines to universities.
  • Irony: Institutions preach anti-capitalism/socialism but act as hard-nosed capitalists when collecting tuition from foreigners.

D. Jury Duty and Citizenship (79:54–86:33)

• T. Brian Price (prosecutor) observes that conservatives self-select out of jury duty, leading to leftist-dominated juries even in red counties.
• Steve admits he tries to get out—panel agrees it’s a vital civic duty, part of being a self-governing citizen, and that conservatives need to show up in the jury box.

E. Tim Keller’s Legacy & the Danger of “Safe” Christianity (86:39–95:49)

• Listener Janelle wonders why Deace criticizes Tim Keller, who was “a bright light” to her.
• Steve: Keller typifies a generation of pastors with an “hermetically sealed” gospel—never challenging the dominant culture, never causing controversy.
  • “If you can grow megachurches in New York, Chicago, Houston and get no pushback, you may not be preaching enough salt.”
• Todd and Aaron: We need “deep spiritual roots”—comfortable Christianity is not Christianity at all.

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5. Other Notable Quips and Running Gags

• Elliot/Ellen Page as Achilles in The Odyssey: An ongoing, almost Monty Python-esque running joke, lampooning woke Hollywood casting.
  • Tim: “Her Achilles heel are her cutoff boots.” (25:00)
• Subscription Frustration: Extended deadpan bits about how YouTube subscriber figures palely lag podcast reviews, implying the platform is shadowbanning or otherwise suppressing the show.

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6. Segment Timestamps

• 00:00–13:00: Opening, montage reactions, “total depravity” ranking.
• 13:00–29:08: Save Star Wars plan, panel debate on nostalgia and cultural addiction.
• 29:08–41:16: Megyn Kelly/Islam discussion, media hypocrisy.
• 41:16–53:14: Kicker topic—who else to blame for everything if not the Jews, lighthearted conspiracy answers.
• 53:14–95:49: Listener feedback on Christian theology, education, jury duty, church witness, and Tim Keller.

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Summary Table of Major Segments

| Segment | Topic | Key Quote / Takeaways | |---------|---------------------------------------------------|------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------| | 1 | Culture/Media Montage | “Uncomfortable truths about church, media hypocrisy, cultural rot.” | | 2 | Star Wars Debate | “Let it die.” “The only thing keeping it alive is nostalgia.” “Don’t make anything for 10 years.” | | 3 | Megyn Kelly’s Shift on Islam | “No innocent explanation.” “Audience chasing—whatever the market demands.” | | 4 | Listener Feedback: Theology/History/Civics | “All need Christ; Christian doctrine is not replacement theology.” “Attack on Christian memory in academia.” | | 5 | Tim Keller as Example of Weak, Safe Christianity | “Gospel isn’t meant to be safe or conflict-avoiding; real Christianity courts controversy with the world.” |

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Final Thoughts and Takeaways

• Star Wars, like many legacy franchises, has become a battleground for cultural values. The hosts suggest saving it only by radical retreat (stop making new content, wipe away wokeness, reboot with respect for tradition), though most panelists think it isn’t worth the effort.
• The show consistently draws connections between entertainment, politics, and faith, arguing that cultural failure and institutional leftism are symptoms of deeper spiritual malaise.
• Panelists call for strong, uncomfortable, engaged Christianity—willing to confront secular culture, reject sugarcoated faith, and reclaim both truth and civic duty.
• Amid the jokes and pop-culture snipes, the central warning is serious: “Smash the idols, or they will be used against you.”

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For listeners new and old, this episode is a fast-moving, entertaining, and often biting survey of American decline—delivered with grit, humor, and unflinching certainty that cultural and spiritual renewal starts with truth, courage, and, sometimes, letting “the past die.”

Transcript

[A]

Foreign. Welcome to the Steve Day show here live and on demand on Blaze TV, radio and podcast alongside Todd Erzin and Aaron McIntyre, we're going to be joined by our old friend comedian Tim Young here in just a matter of moments. We are brought to you by our friends over at Relief Factor. If you're struggling with too much chronic pain, that's probably because you have too much inflammation and that's where Relief Factor comes in. We're not guaranteeing you anything. We can tell you is that over the last several years, over 1 million people have tried the three week quick start that I'm about to suggest to you from relief factors. 70% of them have seen such great results that they've stuck with the product long term. So why don't you see if you don't see a difference in your pain in three weeks or less, especially when it's only going to cost you 20 bucks to find out. That's it. Just 20 bucks to find out. Pretty good value bet. 70% success odds at just 20 bucks@Relief Factor.com Again, that's Relief Factor.com. Mr. Young, it is good to see you, brother. How are you?

[B]

I am fantastic. I'm very excited about these topics today, by the way. Like, I'm excited to burn bridges and burn more bridges.

[A]

Yes. I mean, the good thing is that you are not here in person. You and Todd will come to blows, literally, probably over one of the topics, I would imagine. Okay.

[C]

Tim said he agreed with everything about me last time we got together. I just assume that's the new status quo.

[B]

I insult him because I don't want to be on the record as looking like I agree with him. I'm really playing the psychological game with you guys.

[A]

There's that. And then we're going to try to figure out why somebody who's worked in media for over 30 years has a dramatically different opinion over a belief system that's existed for thousands of years than they just had six months ago. And what in the world could have possibly provoked that level of transformation in terms of a viewpoint of that's at least. Well, there's, that's the one natural method. A supernatural one might have done it as well. So we'll get into all that and more next hour. It's Feedback Friday, but let's kick it off with the day script. Your weekly look at the week that was begins as it always does, with issue one, bleep. Lord Nefarious says,

[C]

I'm happy.

[A]

I'm still enjoying what I'm doing. There's still work to be done. I'm still the President's wingman, so I'm

[C]

there with my boy.

[A]

We can't overcome the politicization of the criminal justice system, the awesome power of the state. You can't have a situation in which whoever's in charge of the government starts using that to go after their political enemies or reward their friends. Progressives and Democrats have a reluctance, an uncomfortability with the acquisition and the use of power. And Republicans don't have those problems.

[D]

The Republicans lie about being loving America, being patriotic.

[A]

To me, a pride flag is way

[D]

more relatable than an American flag.

[A]

I would not raise an American flag

[D]

at my house because I just, I wouldn't.

[A]

I wasn't even born here, but I

[D]

would raise a pla.

[E]

I would raise a pride flag.

[D]

There is no, thank God, dark room in Washington where people sit around, they decide, here's who the nominee is gonna be.

[A]

Walgreens should be charged with first degree corporate abandonment. Y It should be a crime the way they're treating our elders. Is it true that folks are stealing? They stealing everywhere. It's stealing, right? No. But what's wrong is first degree corporate abandonment.

[B]

The Lakin Riley act, it was one

[A]

of his biggest priorities.

[C]

It's strict due process away from immigrants.

[A]

There is a straight line from the

[D]

Lakin Riley act vote to what we

[A]

saw in the streets of our communities. Your thoughts on the idea of funding health care for undocumented immigrants statewide? Yes. These are Californians. They contribute to our economy, they pay taxes, and they're one of the only ways that our state has been growing in recent years. Donald Trump, he's got the shit touch. Everything he touches turns to.

[C]

I mean, who knows how many assassination attempts there could be just in the next day or. Or how many times Erica Kirk is

[A]

going to switch from her sparkle pants

[C]

to that weird video that she made. It's just bizarre.

[E]

Jesus was undocumented.

[A]

So here. If it was really Jesus telling Martha

[B]

not to serve, not to be a

[A]

deacon, then Jesus needed to learn his lesson and stand corrected. Here's the thing. Before we even dive in, we have

[D]

to get one thing straight.

[A]

Jesus did not come into this world to preach and to teach a my way or the highway kind of religion because I do not believe Christ died for our sin. When are you going to do an

[C]

event with Tucker Carlson?

[A]

Why don't you do a collab with Tucker Carlson?

[C]

We love Tucker Carlson.

[A]

Where do I go?

[C]

People ask me more about Tucker Carlson even in my own family than they ask Me about my wife and kids.

[A]

Well, sure. I mean, you could pose a tax in the form of questions. I've certainly done that a lot. For sure. I like Israel. I've been there a number of times. Take my family there on vacation, they're going again soon. I, I really like Israel. I brought my family on vacation, like Israel, I've taken my family there on vacation. Speaking for Israel, I've never hated Israel. A vacation there. We're Christians, they want to go to Jerusalem. I got it. I come to Israel and the infrastructure we're flying in. And I said to my buddy, I was man, looks first, looks great. I love the agriculture in Israel, cuz it's beautiful. I love green, I love plants.

[B]

It's great.

[E]

I can sincerely say Jerusalem is probably

[A]

my favorite city in the world. It is of course my favorite city. There's no more amazing place in Jerusalem. I have a million friends who both live in Israel and who love Israel, like to live there, if I live there. And I think enough of Jerusalem that I would like to live in Jerusalem. I think it's the most incredible city in the world. I truly love it. Holy cow. Holy cow. Holy moly. What's your name again? Tim. I'm sorry that literally I lost a synapse watching that. Literally I just had a crash out. My apologies, my friend. Tim, what was the most, I don't know, whatever thing that you just saw and why.

[B]

Okay, it has to be all the heresy coming from the pulpit now. I mean this, this is becoming a common thing. You know, the Democrats are trying to push a James Talarico character who is a complete heretic in Texas for Sen. And this is becoming more and more prominent. I'm seeing a clip like that every day of these horrible people at the pulpit saying something completely opposite the Bible.

[A]

Yeah, I mean our gubernatorial candidate now is. Wants you to know that our Democrat nominee here in Iowa wants you to know that all religions are the same. I mean that's what he's now he's campaigning on this. And again, people need to understand it's not that he's a Democrat so he believes this. It's that he believes this so that he's a Democrat. All right? That's the worldview that lends you to becoming one of them. That's the worldview that leads you there. Todd, what about you?

[C]

Remember those, you know, smart aleck atheists in college? At least I do. And you know, they wanted to have a really edgy religion discussion. But that's cool. It's college we're having a beer, whatever, we'll talk it out.

[A]

But, like, maybe Elijah really was carried away, you know, on a ufo, not. They called it a chariot of fire, that kind of stuff.

[C]

Kick this stuff around, whatever. But as soon as that person becomes a pastor, I am. Honestly, that's a total joke. But I'm less worried about him, that I'm everybody who actually shows up on the regular to listen to it, to actually hear, you know, this Jesus cat, he had a dressing down coming and you're going there on the regular. Okay, okay, but. And I just wanted to echo where Tim went because I appreciate it so much, but I also have to hear what Tim says because, you know, I love the ins and outs, the nuances of Aaron's montages, how he layers them and all that stuff, but I don't think I've ever done it. I've got to go off the board and I got to know what Tim thinks. Tim, did you know that Ellen Page is playing Achilles in the Odyssey?

[E]

We're on this again.

[A]

We are. We have.

[C]

We are.

[A]

We have not acknowledged this.

[C]

Did you know Tim?

[A]

Nor. Nor will we.

[B]

It's a very tiny.

[A]

We don't engage.

[C]

We need a comedian's take on this. We do. It's gold, Jerry. It's gold.

[A]

We don't engage in rumor and innuendo on this program and we refuse to acknowledge such a. Such an unverified claim. But thank you, Todd. Aaron, what about you?

[E]

I was that woman at that church. The empty husk of a church. Jesus didn't come to the world to preach a my way or the highway message. And she said that right after reading I am the Way, the truth and the life. She read that earlier and she turned right around and said, yeah, this verse has been used to. To hurt people and to say that, you know, diversity is not our strength. Something like that. It's just yesterday in the conversation about aliens, UAPs that we had for theology Thursday, it's just like these people are just taking. Hey, it's me, Lucifer, it's me. Yeah, it's. You got it right. It's me, Satan, the devil. That's just. It's not even twisting. It's just. Usually the most effective propaganda are half truths. These are just full on. Nope, not really. Did God doesn't. God isn't real? It's not. Did God really say it's God isn't real? That's basically what they're saying. Honorable mention, though, to Jen Psaki saying that. Saying that thank God there's No. Dark room where the nominee is chosen.

[A]

Yes. Yeah.

[E]

Honorable mention. They're dishonorable.

[A]

And then I loved your pan over to Kamala. Listen, guys, we have got to mention the beginning, okay? We have got to mention the beginning where we saw the most weaponized, the first, at least that I can remember, truly partisan, weaponized Attorney General in modern American history. And Eric Holder, who, by the way, again, the hands up, don't shoot narrative was so fake, even Eric Holder debunked it. And people still on their side go around claiming this. How many years later now? How many years later now? So that narrative was. If there was a racial narrative there that Eric Holder could exploit that he would. That's how fake that was. That even Eric Holder said, yeah, Michael Brown never said, hands up. Don't you. But I digress. The juxtaposition there, the triple axel of juxtapositions, Aaron, that you did there with Eric Holder weaponizing the doj, Barack Obama claiming we can't weaponize the DOJ or we lose the country. And of course, whose Attorney General was Eric Holder? Who do you work for? Which president?

[C]

Who's president? Yeah, yeah, Obama.

[A]

Yeah, Obama. Yeah. And then followed by Eric Holder saying, we've actually, for the first time as a party, got to weaponize the doj. How you did that with all three of those positions, it's just shameless, just taken by. Just taken with great confidence and literally sociopathic levels of certainty by those three positions taken by those two men. And just the way that you sequenced them, my friend, that was sinister, but superfluous in its genius. I mean, that is incredible that beginning with.

[C]

And if only that was evidence of why they will never come close to winning again in recent. You know, down the near. In the near future. The opposite is true. That's why they will win again relatively soon, because they're far more shameless and full of guile than our side is.

[A]

Yes, there's no question about that. And it's hard. It's hard to be more shameless than Donald Trump. I mean, it's. That's one of his superpowers, frankly. He's used it to his advantage his whole life. He'll be his own PR agent and fake, like my name's John Barron on the phone. I mean, it's car. It's hard, all right, to do that to Trump. They are. But they have. They have a subterranean level that you only go to, frankly, supernaturally. You only do that under a supernatural inducement, and you certainly can't do it. One of the reasons why I think that when Trump does it, he does it with humor. Because, and Tim, you know this probably as a comedian and maybe you wouldn't back me up on this. So let's test this, test it out. I think one of the reasons why when Trump is shame is being is shamelessly, you know, approaching an issue that he does it with humor is because it's almost easier to deflect your own, your own tells that it's shameless. You see what I'm saying? Than when you're doing it straight up. Because you can't really do it straight up unless you're a sociopath. You can't do it straight up and you can do it through humor. And then when you kind of smile a little bit, people are like, oh, he's making it funny. He's not like, he's not like revealing that, you know, maybe this isn't all the way, you know, on the up and up here. You can only do it, I think in a non humorous setting with that kind of certainty you saw from Holder and Obama with. When you're just a straight up sociopath. Tim.

[B]

Yeah, no, I agree with you. I have nothing to add to that.

[A]

You're right. And I mean that's just, that's incredible. And now imagine that gets beamed into the homes of about and onto the devices of at a minimum, 40% of the country every single day, over and over again, day after day, month after month, year after year.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

That's going to have an effect, right?

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

And it's going to make it very, very hard to live with the people that you're not, that are not receiving those tells and those signs and wonders and.

[C]

Yeah, because with that and gaslights with the people paying attention and ready to go on offense, places like Iowa would be locked down red indefinitely. You know better than anybody that's not even close to the case after all the work you've put in. So.

[B]

And by the way, thank you for reminding me your phones directly. When you take a look at media research centers. Been doing the research on this with Apple Goog, all those news sites, Yahoo, when they push news stories, it's like one in 300 stories is from a conservative outlet and usually they're buried like 20 down.

[A]

Yep. And it's all their framing, all their messaging. Right. From. Yeah. On virtually everything. Correct. Yeah.

[E]

Can I interject meanwhile.

[A]

One second, Aaron. Yes, you can. But let me say this meanwhile, Tim, we can't pass a bill that normies support by 80% that would make it Easier for us to win elections. We can't do that. But they are able to iron grip every last platform along the lines of what you just. What you just itemized.

[C]

Big success. Yes.

[A]

I'm sorry, Aaron, go ahead.

[E]

The last video of Dr. Carlson waxing poetic about how much he loves Israel. That is credit to IL Tour board on X who created that video. I want to give proper attribution and it's spelled B O R E D for those of you looking for it. Very small account, by the way.

[A]

Exit question. On a scale of 1 to 10, with the odds the most even the most beautiful woman in this audience has to be worried about being sexually harassed by Lindsey Graham. And 10 being the odds that our guy Tim here does. Keep your distance, Tim. Rank this week's level of total depravity. Todd.

[C]

10.

[B]

Tim, you know, I usually do like two or three. It's a 10 when you start getting involved in the church the way they have.

[A]

Yep. Aaron.

[E]

Democrats, heretics, and Tucker Carlson. That's a 12 for me.

[A]

Yeah. All right. Ding, ding. Issue two, how to save Star Wars. All right, so I don't know if you guys saw this. These were numbers that came out, streaming numbers from Nielsen that came out. Star Wars Day was May 4, right. So all the platforms are leveraging and promoting all their Star wars content to take advantage of Star Wars Day. And so Nielsen went back and took a look at what was watched and what wasn't. And then over the course of 2025 as well, Nielsen says US viewers watched 33 billion minutes of Star wars content in 2025. But the top three most streamed titles were Star Wars. The first one, A New Hope, the Phantom Menace, and Rogue One. Not one sequel trilogy film even cracked the top 10. All right, fans watched 637 million minutes of Star wars content on May 4th alone. But the modern feminist Star wars acolyte was barely watched, like, at all. They spent over $200 million on that. So this is very clearly a broken brand. You have the Mandalorian, the Grogu, and Grogu. I think that's coming out later this month, isn't it? I believe it's coming out later this month. And this has, you know, obviously prices are different now, so you have to adjust for inflation. Okay. But adjusted for inflation, this is in the air in the modern era of pre sales, which is about 20, 25 years in modern era of pre sales of tickets. So the fandango kind of era. This is. It's not even close. This is the worst pre selling Star wars film of all time. Okay. So like, behind, like, when they've re. When they've like, brought back the originals with like, new features or, you know, it's, it's. It's not looking good. Even though the Mandalorian was considered the one good series that's been done in this era that people genuinely liked. And so that's why. What's that one? For one season? For one season. And then one scene at the end of the second season. Fair. The Skywalker scene. Yeah. Okay. All right. So. So I have a suggestion of how to save this franchise. Okay. Four of them, actually. Number one, produce no live action content for five years. Instead, produce one high end animation feature that, that takes place. It's a side adventure that takes place in between the original trilogy movies with what was going on with the beloved characters. Aim it right at kids, all right? And try to reach the kids, but. And build goodwill. Number two, take all the attractions at the theme parks and refit them all to only be about the 6Lucasfilms remake rise of the Resistance, which is an incredible attraction, by the way. If you get, you have. If you don't, if you get a chance to do that once in your life, you have to. But I would remake Rise of the Resistance into Rise of the Rebellion, Smugglers Run, into solos run, etc. I'd refit everything into the original trilogy. Number three, I'd bring back as much nostalgia during this five year waiting period as we could. I'd market only the unifying and hopeful characters and content of the past that remain timeless, that people are still watching, according to the Nielsen data, despite the broken brand. And number four, five years from now, I'd begin a new trilogy based on Timothy Zahn's outstanding bestsellers depicting what happened after Return of the Jedi. It was the first new Star wars content post Jedi, the George Lucas ever officially licensed. Those books went on to sell, I think around 25 million copies or something like that. I'd recast all the original characters still in their prime with unknowns after I made sure I searched everything they've ever posted on social media, ever. And then I'd forbid them all from ever making political or cultural comments as part of the moral clauses in their deals as long as they were active with their character arcs in this universe. And I do the same for directors, producers, key grips, best boys, groupies. Literally everybody. Interns. Literally all of them. The whole thing needs a Clockwork Orange scrubbing, a silkwood shower. So with that, Todd, I'm going to let you go first this time, thoughts on my plan.

[C]

The fact that you had to try so hard is the reason why we shouldn't try at all. Kylo Ren had it right. Let the past die. Steve, you don't answer.

[A]

Kill it if you have to.

[C]

You don't answer the. You don't answer the question why? Why do any of that. Hasn't it earned the right to be killed?

[A]

I don't disagree. But since you asked me why, I would say we're not lacking for inspirations to make to help people become better versions of themselves in popular culture than they currently are in the regular culture.

[C]

This one has forfeited the right. It has no intention to. It has abused the privilege that it had. The only thing keeping it alive is nostalgia. We need to kill has earned it. And the reason why this is my point about why they can get away with that level, Obama and company with that level of shamelessness is because over here on the other side, these are the idols. This is our true religion. We need to smash these things. We are so drunk on all of this stuff and it has been used against us. That is obviously true. Now we are just this, this is a crack addiction that we need to stop. Otherwise we will perish.

[A]

Aaron.

[E]

Yeah. So foundationally we're off kilter. We're not square. Foundationally. And part of that foundation are the people making decisions about the future of this and other IPs that are well beloved or at least once were well beloved. The fact that Steve and Des Moines. Pretty smart. Steve and Des Moines. That's why you sign the front of my checks and not the back of my checks. But the fact that Steven Des Moines can come up with a four point plan like this on some, what was it, Tuesday morning? Wednesday morning?

[A]

Random Tuesday morning while you just got off the toilet.

[E]

Yeah, I was just going to say you're probably taking a dump. You were able to formulate a four point plan. Fired off. Makes a lot of sense. It addresses a lot of the issues. The fact that Steven Des Moines, smart Steve at that can come up with this and yet Disney is, ah, we've got Kylo Ren, we've got Ray. That's the problem. So that's one fundamental. The other fundamental, the other foundation here, that's off kilter, that's not square is what Todd's talking about. Because a lot of these things could be successful if they were just making money, just barely making money, not printing money. You see what I'm saying here? Because if they had to respect the fact that their audience might Walk away if they screw things up. They would make different decisions if it was truly a profit motivation. I know there's other things in there as well, but the fact that the audience just keeps coming back for this tripe, that's another fundamental problem. So it's a great plan, but you're working against a couple of.

[C]

I just want to echo that quick, Steve, I've seen you come up with five point plans. You're one of the true modern polymaths. The World's you5 point plans on a lot of things that most people couldn't. This one. A child could come. It's obvious. Steve, they won't do it. Why are we anointing it with any of our blood talent treasure children? Why? It's a cult, that's why. And it's sad and pathetic.

[A]

All right, Tim, you can reign in. Go ahead.

[B]

I wouldn't trust Disney to make a child's program again for like 10 years. I'd wait till the culture totally shifts and hope that we win politically and that conservatives actually start influencing culture the way that we should be at this point. Because, you know, if they made a children's program, there would at least be one. They themselves. There'd be at least one set of gay dads. I just don't trust them to do anything like that. I would absolutely not make any products for 10 years, period. Let it die. Go back to the original stuff. I never read those books. I'm not nerdy enough to read those books. But I trust you on it, Steve. Also, you know, speaking about modern star Star wars problems, Smugglers run. I always ride that as a single rider because the girlfriend doesn't like those. Those types of rides. So I get on it. And I got on it eight times, actually. The last time I went to Disney, which was not too long ago.

[A]

It's a great ride.

[B]

Yeah. Except for when you get on it with non English speaking people, which was every time, you know, it's a beatable ride. You can win that game, but you can't when those people don't speak English and don't hit the buttons. So it becomes a very frustrating. Another commentary on our current society.

[C]

Yes, yes. So it's also being upheld by Iliad.

[B]

I'm not making that up. I was furious like three or four times in a row. I was saying, you guys, fire, fire, fire.

[A]

Yeah, yeah.

[E]

I was hitting the butt.

[B]

I reached over and hit the. But I reached up. I'm not even kidding you. I was able to reach up and I pulled the lever for The. The hyperspace. Because they weren't pulling the lever. There's a green light and a lever. Why would you not pull the lever?

[C]

Tim, did you know Ellen Page is playing a Kill stop?

[B]

Her Achilles heel are her. Her cutoff boots.

[A]

Listen there. I'm actually sympathetic to the idea of just not making any more. There are great franchises that in their time. I mean, we're not making any more Gone with the Wind. People can still go back and watch the original Gone with the Wind. That was a pop culture force of nature in the late 1930s. You need to go back and appreciate and watch that for what it is. I mean, James Cameron's, you know, Titanic at the time was the highest grossing film of the 1990s, adjusted for inflation. Not making any more Titanic content. We're not doing Titanic 2, Titanic 3. I mean, I'm totally fine with not making any more and enjoying what they once did. From a nostalgia standpoint, I'm totally fine.

[C]

But don't just be sympathetic. Go on offense. Kill it. Just like you've.

[A]

Well, it sounds like you think they already kind of have.

[C]

Like you've talked about, we discipline our kids, right, because we love them. That's not just how. Ja. I love it. I just wish it wasn't stone. No, punish it like it deserves. It's righteous and good, and that's the only way you'll get something good back. Otherwise your kid's gonna turn into a brat like Star wars has.

[B]

All right, Todd, which.

[A]

Which.

[B]

Which one of the original characters would be played by that. That trans thing in the wheelchair that went to the Met Gala? If they redid it? Han.

[A]

R2D2. Sorry, I should add to that.

[C]

How did you think this. This segment was gonna go?

[A]

Steve, I had no idea. I had a bad feeling about this from the beginning.

[C]

That's the problem.

[A]

Get the pun?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Now, I. Obviously, when I posted this, you got. You know me well enough to know I did not think anybody over at Buena Vista was gonna be like, you know, and Disney was gonna be like, hey, we hadn't thought about these things. You know what?

[C]

But you just don't want it.

[A]

I wouldn't mind if they did it. I know they won't. Okay. But this is also a thinking exercise. I'm actually kind of doing this to prove your point, which is that these are achievable things, which you said a few minutes ago. Any 11 or 12 year old, all right, that's ever owned a Star wars comic book or action figure or played a video game could come up with this. Right.

[C]

So why are the 40 year old losers the one who keep pushing it along?

[A]

And so that's when you get to the point of if it's very obvious and yet they won't do it. Right. Let's get to the exit question. If the future of Star wars was a line of dialogue from one of the movies, which line of dialogue would it be? A, Todd's favorite. Let the past die. Kill it if you have to. B, I have a bad feeling about this. C, strike me down and I will become even more powerful than you could possibly imagine. Or D, never tell me the odds, Aaron.

[E]

Let the past die.

[A]

Kill it if you want.

[E]

So you're an A. I mean, on the one hand, didn't they actually fire her finally?

[A]

Yeah, she is gone at the end of this year. Yeah, she is gone. Yeah.

[C]

I already asked and answered and I didn't look what my options were.

[A]

Okay. All right, Tim, where are you at?

[B]

Yeah, what's the best time?

[A]

Wow, guys, I think you don't understand if you lost. If Tim Young is telling you, who still collects a lot of this kind of stuff. If Tim Young is telling you, hey,

[B]

by the way, pro tip for the people who go to the parks. You can buy the lightsabers from the poor people who can't afford them anymore off of Mercari for like half price.

[C]

Life hacks, you complete me.

[A]

Life hacks from Tim Young. You complete like six of them now.

[B]

I look at them and I, I take a picture and I go to Merari and I get them for like 80 bucks.

[A]

I really thought you guys were going to throw down and I needed that today. Instead, I made a love connection. I did not end. I, I did not enter. You know, and they say Star wars isn't bringing people together and unifying folks anymore. Look at what just happened here on this show. I mean, this is the most symbiotic you and Tim have ever been. And I thought for sure, I thought for sure I was going to pick a fight and then just, you know, let you guys go at it for about 10 minutes.

[B]

I'm wearing my Disney hoodie right now.

[A]

I just showed there a couple weeks ago. There you go. All right, when we come back, this is one of the most incredible transformations on an issue that has not changed any of its conditions at all. Like, no facts have changed, no conditions as to that would cause us to reassess our view of this issue have occurred. Nothing's happened that would cause the level of radical change of opinion that Megyn Kelly has had about Islam this year. Not in the last couple of years. This year that isn't even half over yet. We're going to discuss this here next. The steve dates show. All right. Back here on the Steve Day show on Blaze tv, radio and podcast. We're brought to you by our friends over at Patriot Mobile. Make the switch today like we did six years ago and we've never looked back as a family. Our whole family has been with Patriot Mobile now for all of those years. Never looked back. Great customer service from people like you. Just heard Tim complaining about they're us based. What's that mean? You can understand what they say. That's what that means. Right. And they'll customize the plan that you need and your family needs. So if you want to keep your number, switch your number, keep your phone, upgrade your phone, all of that good stuff, they've got multiple networks within their main hub, so you can switch anytime that you want. Maybe you're locked into a contract with a company you don't think you can get out of it. Well, they've got contract buyout programs for you as well. So if you make the switch today, use my name Steve when you go to patriotmobile.com Steve. You'll get started with a free month of service. A free month of service@patriot mobile.com Steve using the code Steve. And we welcome back our good friend Tim Young here as we march on with your weekly look at the week that was.

[B]

Yes, during, during the break I found out that Elliot Page is. It's actually going to be playing Achilles.

[C]

That's an important clarification, Tim. Thank you.

[B]

You know what the new Achilles heel is?

[A]

Ovaries. One second here. Oddly placed itch. Where was I? Anyway, going on with your weekly look. I will, I will be undaunted. I will not. I, we just. I will not acknowledge this. I refuse. I don't believe it.

[C]

As soon as it becomes.

[A]

I don't.

[C]

100% verifiable, though. You're out, right?

[A]

It cannot be verified because it just isn't happening. It's not possible.

[C]

And when it happens, you're out.

[A]

It won't be possible. It won't happen.

[C]

You'll kill it like Star Wars.

[A]

It won't happen.

[C]

Comes out right.

[A]

It won't happen, right? No, because I don't have to. Because it's not going to occur. I'm confident this is just all a malicious rumor. Ok. A malicious rumor has to take

[B]

a week off a month because he loses his temper for that week.

[A]

Let's get to issue three. What happened to Megyn Kelly?

[D]

Islam is not consistent with the values of America, of the West. They should stay in countries that don't care about keeping church and state separated. They should stay in countries that don't care about protecting free speech. They should stay in countries that don't care about women's rights. That's where Islam can fester and grow. It's great. I mean, I'm sure if that's like your thing and you don't care about, like genital mutilation, you might really enjoy living in an Islamic country if you don't mind living in a life as a woman where you have to keep every inch of your body except for your eyeballs covered. Yeah. Someplace in the Middle east could be for you. It's not my thing, it's not America's thing, and it's not a thing that we should want or encourage in the West. I think he's understanding there may be some new listeners over here. You know, like, he's gotten very, very popular lately. I read with Muslim viewers because he's been standing up for Islam, you know, and I have to tell you, Mark, it's been something I've noticed just since I've gotten a sort of more clear eyed on Israel that a lot of the anti Muslim rhetoric that's put out there originates with people who are very, very pro Israel who kind of need us to demonize them. And I've taken a look recently at my own rhetoric on this to say, like, have I been manipulated? I want to make sure I'm not getting manipulated. There's no such thing as Islamophobia. You are not only entitled to, quote, fear Islam, I would argue it's your duty as a Christian to stand up and fight against it. He's having a lot of Muslim viewers flock to him. And so while he may have lost some contingent of the Fox News audience, that's very, very pro Israel and, you know, pro Trump. And you can't say anything about Trump. For every one of those who leaves, there is another newer, younger audience member who does want to hear these traditional lines challenged and hear just new independent thinking. I mean, I'm experiencing some of that myself. It is not consistent with the values of the west or America. And therefore you have no problem, you should have no problem standing up against it.

[A]

How can you possibly explain something like

[C]

this in four months?

[A]

In four months? What, what new understanding? Regardless of which of these positions you take, what new understanding would you have gained about Islam? Here's the Great irony of this. And I keep hammering this point and I'm going to keep hammering it until more of my colleagues bring it up, because I seemingly am the only one that brings this point up. And I. Look, no one else brings it up. So let me bring it up again. We currently have the most comprehensive Arab alliance in the history of the United States of America right now. That's the great irony of this. We have never had more Arab allies as a people than we do right now. Right now, courtesy of Trump. And here's the great, here's the great irony of this. These Arab allies are actually aligned with us in Israel right now against Iran. So you can't make the case that, that the war in Iran caused you to reassess Islam, because if it did, the only way you'd reassess Islam is you would think, well, maybe we can be more friendly with these Arab nations. They're fighting against Iran with us. You see what I'm trying to say. The positions that are not congruent. The positions that are not congruent are that the Iran war and the fact that we're Israel's lap dog and Trump is BB Slave and, and female dog has me completely reassessing that maybe I bought a bunch of Jew. That's her case. That's the case. She's making. I was sold a bunch of Zionist propaganda about Islam, which then she's admitting to you that when she made that clip in January four months ago, she wasn't her own person. She was a bought and sold slave of Israel. She's admitting that to you then for that to be true. But that's a side plot here. Ok, but secondly, the, the galvanizing moment that has you reconsidering your position

[C]

is

[A]

that a bunch of other Arab Muslim countries are fighting against Iran with us. These things are not congruent. This would not be an event. This isn't a Japanese intern camp event of Muslims in America that would have you reconsidering things. There's no explanation I could conjure beyond either the, either the most supernaturally sinister or the most materialistically craven and greedy. I can't conjure up any possible reason other than all the worst ones. I can't come up with any benign and innocent explanation for how, for, for what we just watched. The only things I can come up with are. Are. Are all sinister to some degree. Somebody else talk. What the hell's going on here?

[B]

Shift in opinion is like a young actress playing a pregnant girl in a cult classic called Juno and Then going on to play Achilles in a modern day film.

[C]

I've never been prouder of the analysis of this program ever.

[B]

I'm the best at what I do ever. You guys could give me any topic

[A]

and say make it.

[B]

Make a comparison with it. And I could.

[C]

Now in my defense, I took this thing all the way to a nine, but I knew I needed to himself to push it over the edge and bring in 11. And Tim did not disappoint.

[B]

On this season of Steve days, we team up.

[A]

I think Kingpin and Daredevil are teaming up in season three next year. So you guys are. You guys are like the precursor of that. There you go.

[B]

That could. That, could that show move slower?

[A]

That's true. It's an eight episode series that needs to really be about a three episode series. The Netflix version was incredible. That was incredible. Yeah.

[B]

Oh, yeah. No, I, I was gonna say my. My real, my real commentary is at least she could dress more modestly when she's talking about how good Islam is. I don't know if you difference. Her shirt was open there and I don't think that her Islamic friends would really appreciate that if she could button it up when she's talking about how great Islam.

[A]

I mean that. See, Tim, you're. What you're pointing out the con. This is why there's no good reasons for this. We all know. Any of us that have interacted with this woman for more than 10 minutes, I have. You know, she's a way smarter than this. So, you know, there's no good reasons for this. You're sitting there with a shirt, with a shirt that nearly goes down to the cleavage line, talking about maybe I've misunderstood Islam. Where in any Islamic country, including the most moderate one, uae, they'd either at the minimum, walk up to you and say, lady, button that shirt up, or at a maximum, throw you in a prison cell for it. Okay? And we all know this, and she has to know that we know this. That's why there's no benign, innocent explanations for this.

[C]

Occam's razor, you have to put it on the table. I think there's a. The Islamic version of, you know, why can't we just all be groovy? But they've got their own enforcers of that. I think Occam's razor you have to put as one of the most likely options is that somebody approached her and Tucker and said, here's a big pile of cash or here's your own personal October 7th. Which one do you want? Because we want better publicity and we're going to get it. I don't know what the odds are of that, but I think Occam's razor says that it has to be having a seat at the table.

[A]

Yeah.

[E]

Because in broadcasting, typically the way it's taught in the secular realm and really it's. If you want to have a massive audience, you do this. You are a planet orbit, orbiting around the sun. S U n sun. And the sun is the audience. And you're always reflect your moon, you're reflecting back to the audience or whatever your planet orbiting around the sun, you're reflecting whatever the audience wants, whatever the sun wants back to it. What we're trying to do, we're trying to broadcast the narrow way. We're trying to reflect the sun son back. That's what we're trying to do. Under that theorem, though, was there not million, were there not millions of Muslims around the globe online five years ago? Were there not millions of Muslims around the globe, even in the United States? This is a great 10 years ago.

[A]

In other words, these clips are always here now. Yes.

[E]

Why now?

[A]

Yes.

[E]

Which leaves yourself open, Todd. Todd was just saying why now? There's this massive untapped audience, apparently, that just happened to come across our planet in the last five minutes and now all of a sudden, hey, looky there. Were these people not here five years ago.

[A]

That's a great point.

[E]

Ten years ago.

[A]

That's a point I've not heard anywhere else either, is what you just said.

[E]

So I don't. If you are operating under that assumption, you're leaving yourself open to questions like Todd just asked.

[A]

So we can't come up with any benign, innocent explanations for this. It's not just me. Nobody can. No, no. Let's get to the exit question. Who would be a better person to have as your neighbor here in America? Someone who believes Israel is a prophetic nation or someone who believes the Muslims of Palestine are an oppressed people? Whom would you rather live next door to, do you think?

[C]

Top the former.

[A]

Yeah. Aaron, what about you?

[C]

The former.

[A]

Tim, what about you?

[B]

They'd try to burn my house down and rip down my American flag if they were the Palestinian person.

[A]

If we put the Wonder Woman lasso of truth around Megyn Kelly, what would her answer be, do you think?

[C]

The same.

[A]

The same, yeah. So again, no benign, innocent reasons for this. Let's get to the kicker topic, issue four here. If it's not the Jews, what other shadowy group should we be blaming all of our modern problems on instead? Whom would you suggest, Todd?

[C]

Oh, it's not even close and it's playing out in real time. I mean, it's a non sports bro. He's a destroyer of worlds. Don't ever say he's a happy destroyer of worlds.

[A]

Don't ever say I never. Just tee it up for you. Don't ever say I don't just hang a curveball on purpose. There's a. There's a classic anecdote. Mickey Mantle was at the end of his career and I think it was Mickey Lolich who just passed as the Tigers pitcher. Just send him. Wanted to just give him a nice send off and said, hey, Mick, get a, you know, serve one up for you. Knock it over the fence. And he did, you know, one last gallop around the old Tiger Stadium. Okay, don't ever say I've never done that for you because that's what I just did.

[C]

And I cranked it right up the park.

[A]

And you should have. This was batting practice. Yes. Aaron, what's your answer?

[E]

Connor Stallions and the rest of his ilk.

[C]

Yes.

[A]

You gave the same answer as Todd.

[C]

Yes.

[A]

Tim, what about you?

[B]

They've already started transitioning to the Masons. They've been testing the Masons through Fuentes and their other people.

[A]

You see, the thing with Fuentes, the

[B]

Masons did anything other than like crab boils now, but, you know, whatever.

[A]

Did you see the other thing the other day where Fuentes says, I'm a Democrat? Did you see this, Tim? Did you see that?

[B]

Yeah, Yeah, I actively avoid people.

[A]

I do too. The thing is, man, the algorithm just demands feeding it to me. I mean, the algorithm demands. It's. The algorithm makes it really hard to be active on social media and see nothing from him at all.

[C]

Well, after today, I'm hoping that because of Tim Young's hard work that the algorithm. Algorithm is feeding you that. Who's playing Achilles in the Odyssey? And it's Ellen Page.

[A]

Elliot Page. Elliot Page. Listen, I'm just not a purveyor of rumors and innuendo. I like data. Let's go to predictions. Aaron, you go first, man.

[E]

It certainly seems like, especially with the news this morning that the Virginia Supreme Court has struck down the redistricting. We are in Dr. Strange's one scenario here. It seems like a lot of things are. A lot of things are just breaking Republicans way. My prediction is, as of this moment, it's not going to be enough to save Republicans, at least in the House, come November.

[A]

So we'll have more analysis on this, I'm sure Next week, because its story just broke and we already had a week in review in place. But do someone needs to do that bit, that AI bit. All right, where Trump gets done screaming at John Thune, all right, and then looks over at Dr. Strange and he goes, all right, this is the one scenario we just win by court rulings over the country.

[C]

He has to be one in a trillion. He has to do that. But in that meme where he's yelling at the kid with the lawnmower, that's where he needs.

[A]

Yes. Looks over and Dr. Strange is like, this is the one. But the math right now seems to indicate there's, there's 16 toss ups, which means because this is heading into, we're heading into a map where Republicans could lose the general congressional ballot by like 6, 7, 8 points, which would normally be like a cataclysmic like 50 seat, 40 seat loss. Like we've seen in plenty of midterm elections, the Tea Party years under Obama, the Contract with America year. We saw it in Trump's first term in 2018. Right. The problem is because everybody on both sides is now redistricting the most hardcore they possibly can, that you could lose it nationwide. But there's just not that many districts at a precinct level that are really competitive. You see what I'm saying? So right now we're sitting the analysis I just saw during the last break. Maybe about 16 to 20 toss up districts right now, but a few of those will also go away with a little more redistricting as well. So it's, this is, this is fascinating to watch for sure. Tim, go ahead. I'm sorry, your prediction, go ahead.

[B]

I had a different one that I was going to go with altogether, but I'm going to, I'm going to go at. Aaron, I think Republicans keep the House. I think it's going to be a shocker.

[E]

I mean, notwithstanding my confidence in the Republican Party, I would still love to see that.

[A]

Todd.

[C]

My take was also going to be about Virginia. But because of the angst that both of these guys being on opposite sides of this represent, police actions will be required at polling places in Virginia.

[A]

I could see that. I could see that for sure. Listen, if you want to punish the Republican Party, you need to vote for him this fall. They've done everything they could to not govern for the last two years. They want to just have impeachment palooza so they can raise all kinds of money on help us stop the Democrats. All right? The last thing they want to have to do is pull out this midterm, and then they're. And then have to. And then have another two years to where they've got to show they can govern that. You want to punish these fools? Make them try to govern some more. All right. That's the most painful thing you could possibly do. All right. My prediction is that nothing in the UFO files will cause any amount of critical mass of public outrage, outcry, despair, and I just think most normies will ignore it all together. Like, they tend to ignore pretty much everything else altogether.

[C]

That's real growth right there, Steve. You're making progress, America.

[A]

Oh, my. Tim, it was great to see you, my friend. Don't be a stranger. All right.

[B]

You think Achilles will get pregnant in the new movie or just.

[A]

It was great to see you, Tim. It was great to see you. All right, Feedback Friday is next. All right, back here with hour two, live and on demand on Blaze TV, radio and podcast with Aaron McIntyre and Todd Erzin. I am Steve Dace, and you can let us know what you think about what we think via the stevedase.com inbox. Email us steve dace.com that's D E A C E like us on Facebook. Me, we and Gab. You can follow me at Steve Day show on X Instagram and Tik Tok. Also, please don't forget that you can subscribe to our YouTube channel. A lot of you must have forgotten. That's why I have to keep reminding you. It's kind of weird because our YouTube numbers are like, way behind literally every other platform on planet Earth. Like, way behind. So let me just go ahead and remind all you guys. You can subscribe to our YouTube channel. I mean, I'm sure that that's the explanation. This. That must be what it is. Couple hundred thousand of you just forgot that, you know, subscribe onto on all the other various platforms to reach our show every day, including Blaze tv. Y' all just forgot to hit subscribe on the biggest video platform in the history of the planet. I'm sure that's what it is, right?

[C]

You're saying there's a chance.

[A]

I mean, that's. Aaron, I think that's a reasonable assumption. That must be what is occurring here. Oh, yeah, yeah, for sure, for sure.

[E]

Without a doubt.

[A]

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[C]

I think we need a lawsuit update.

[A]

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[C]

How many Ellen Page jokes do you think I have in me?

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You bet.

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Yes.

[A]

All right, here we go. Let us begin here with Brian. And I get these questions a lot, and I know that they're being asked a lot. And that's why for some of you that keep hearing me answer some of these questions over and over again, I think we're in an era right now that I, and I mean this sincerely. I'm not. This is not tongue in cheek or sarcastically at all. I think we're in an era right now that we just need to be prepared to answer these questions a lot. Okay? Because they're. They're being asked more than they have been in previous eras. So Brian writes, this is a sincere question in my quest to understand what the hell is going on in the world. That's a great way to get me to read your email, by the way. All right. As the cho. As the chosen people, are Jews still required to accept Jesus Christ as Messiah to gain eternal life, or are they exempt? The Jewish nation has consistently defied God throughout the ages. They have worshiped false idols, etc. So how do we know that the current iteration of the nation of Israel is sanctioned by. Sanctioned by God in accordance with his will. So again, I get these questions a ton and I'm prepared to answer them over and over and over again because I think we're in an era that frankly, we need to be prepared to answer them over and over again. All right, Everybody is under the orthodox Christian understanding, right? So which what we mean is by the traditions of Christianity that down through the. The 2000 plus years of our faith that even when we were at times within our various tribes at war with each other, we still believed in these things. The things that have been. That have been the. You know, as Jude says. All right. The things that have been preserved for the saints and passed down. That's what I mean when I talk about orthodoxy, right? Things that everybody that believes in Jesus, that truly believes in the risen Lord is betting their eternal soul on. That's what we mean. The stuff in the closed hand, okay? Everyone believes you're either under grace or law. The only way to be under grace is through Christ. The only atonement that satisfies the wrath of God against the sinfulness of you and all of mankind is the blood of Jesus shed for you at the cross. The Lamb slain before the foundation of the world. The perfect spotless Lamb who shed his blood for you. All right? The son of the woman, the proto E that the Proto Evangelion, all the way back in Genesis previewed and Mel Gibson's. That's what Mel Gibson's the Passion is depicting in the Garden of Gethsemane there when, right when he accepts the will of the Father for the final time and he. And he sets about the events that lead us to Passion Week and he crushes the head of that serpent there. That's right out of what's called the Proto Evangelion all the way back in. In Genesis, right, Where God preaches the first Messianic sermon himself. So you're under grace only through Christ or you're under law. A law that you can't keep. And this is true whether you're Jew or gentile, which just means non Jewish person alike. This is true for all of the world. This is what Christian orthodoxy has always believed. I know Tucker and others are telling you people that dispensationalist or pro Israel Christians or Christian Zionists do not believe that Jews need Jesus. He either is greatly misinformed or he's lying. And I don't know which one that it is. It is true. And gaslighters have a tendency to do this. Like the other day, Candace Owens claimed that the day that the Daily Wire announced some layoffs that they also had to get rid of their sports show for a lack of resources. I can tell you for a fact that's not true because I'm good friends with one of the co hosts of that sports show, the cone and Crane and Cone. Is it true that there was a show called Crane Co. That was a sports show on Daily Wire that is no longer on Daily Wire. Is that true?

[C]

Yes.

[A]

Is it true that last week, earlier this week, Daily Wire announced some layoffs? Is that true?

[C]

Yeah, I think so.

[A]

Yeah. This is what gaslighters do. If there wasn't any truth in what they claimed, then you wouldn't be tempted to believe. I mean, if the devil said, that chick's really ugly, she can't do anything for you, and she won't do anything to excite you whatsoever, if you get naked with her, would you be tempted to sleep with her? Is that. Is that a selling pitch that you think? Yeah, I think maybe I should, you know, wreck my entire marriage and family based on that piece of evidence? No, no. He's going to tell you she's gorgeous, beautiful, and she'll light your world on fire and. Right. That's the stuff that would attract you.

[C]

Okay, Right.

[A]

Okay. But then he's gaslighting because he's not telling you what the full consequences of these actions are ultimately going to be. Right. So Candace is correct. There was a sports show called Crane and Company. It's no longer there. She's correct that Daily Wire announced some layoffs. These events are not connected at all. All of 2025, the Crane Co. People were dealing with whether or not to stay at Daily Wire or On three. And I only know because David has talked to me about that as his friend, wanted somebody new that was a little bit older that understood more about the business that could maybe help him understand a few things that maybe him and those guys, maybe this is their first show, they didn't understand. They had an. A very amicable split with Daily Wire. Daily Wire gave them a very competitive offer to stay. They wanted the show to stay. They made that very clear. And that's also why they had an amicable split. And David, I think, has still been like, he still does like a film room show, I think, for Daily Wire now because, yeah, I was on it in October. So, again, isolated events that may both be true but don't connect. That's a classic satanic deception. So how's that apply here? Was there a movement several years ago of hardcore pro Israel Christian Zionists to push this idea called dual Covenant theology, which takes dispensationalism's notion that the church and Jews are on a separate prophetic track and then says that Jews don't require the. The atonement from Christ at the cross whatsoever? There was one or two prominent ministers tried to push this at the time. I won't mention them because they're not preaching it Anymore. Therefore, I don't think it would be fair. Okay, but one or two prominent ministers did try to preach that at the time. And then a couple of other prominent prominent ministers. In fact, one of the last things he did before he died was Jerry Falwell senior rebuked. This. I would tell you at the. At a bare minimum. Bare minimum. Most conservative estimate Brian, I could give you is 90% of pro Israel Christians or dispensationalists believe everybody, Jew and Gentile alike, requires belief in Christ for salvation. And I'm. And I'm probably being unkind at saying it's only 90%. Who are the people that are spending money to evangelize Israel? It's frankly not the Reformed people aren't doing it. It's the dispensationalists who are doing it. It's the, it's the. It's the pro Israel churches that are spending all the money to go into Israel and spread the gospel. So that's just entirely untrue of many things Tucker says these days that are simply not true. Now, now, the separate question you ask about whether or not the nation of Israel is still a prophetic nation is a good question, but the premise by which you ask it is not correct. With all due respect, you're asking the question by virtue of what you perceive as their obedience to God. No human being can keep a covenant with God. He has. That's why Christ had to go to the cross. God has to fulfill the covenants himself. We can't keep them. That's why the Holy Spirit comes to believers to seal our testimony, to sanctify us, to make us more Christ. Like because we turn around and lose our salvation in five seconds. If it was possible to do so, we'd find a way. We're at war with our own flesh the minute we're saved. Not just the world and the devil. So this is why. Why does Jesus call the Holy Spirit the helper? What's the helper gonna do? Help you obey? Help keep you on the narrow road? Help keep you growing in your faith, knowing the will of God and then, more importantly than knowing it is the doing of it. That's what, that's what that means. That's what a helper does. So at what point in the. In the Old Testament, gentlemen, does Israel perfectly keep God's law?

[C]

Never.

[A]

Never. Okay. And yet the entire Old Testament. We agree throughout the entirety of the Old Testament, do we not? All three of us, two Protestants and a Catholic. We all agree throughout the entirety of the Old Testament that, that it is very clear that Israel is God. Old Testament. Israel is the covenant people of God throughout the entire Old Testament. We all agree on that.

[C]

Yes. Yeah.

[A]

Now the disagreement comes. Did they hand it off to the church in the new age? That's the disagreement. We. And we've been disagreeing about this within the church for a couple thousand years. But we all agree that God's covenant people was the nation of Israel in the Old Testament, right?

[C]

Yes.

[A]

And then before we answered that question, though, we all could not come up with a moment when the nation of Israel, every last one of its citizens, perfectly kept God's law. Correct?

[C]

Right.

[A]

You see where I'm going with this. The, the keeping, the ultimate keeping of covenants with God does not depend on us. If it did, we wouldn't need Jesus. If it did, then a guy named Abraham would have just one day got up on his own and said, you know what? I think I want to have as many descendants as the stars in the sky. And I think I'm going to leave this really wealthy household in the middle of. Of Iraq where I live and just go to this foreign country several hundred miles away and call out to this God. I don't know if that's what he would have done. Right. He just taken the initiative the entire time. Right, sure. But did you do any of those steps?

[C]

No.

[A]

No. God initiated every step of the way. Correct?

[C]

Yes.

[A]

And that's how the nation of Israel began, right?

[C]

Yes.

[A]

Yeah. So God has to initiate covenants and then has to seal them. We can't do it. We're sinners. We can't. But Steve, God said, if you worship me, I will keep your land secure. Did not Moses say in his farewell address, so I've set before you blessing and cursing life and death. Choose life so that you may live in the land? Is that not what he said?

[C]

Yep.

[A]

Yep. And did God punish them when they did not. When they, when they committed the acts that Brian describes here, did he not punish them for that?

[C]

Yes.

[A]

So there was not necessarily a condemnation, like he did not necessarily eject them from his covenant, but at the same time there were consequences for what they did. Correct?

[C]

Yes.

[A]

You follow me here. How does it work now for us? Paul says in the book we just finished studying for the last two years on this show, in Romans, there is now no condemnation for those who are in Christ. If you are in Christ, your soul is not condemned. What's condemned mean?

[C]

Gone.

[A]

Forsaken. That's what the word means. And usually not temporarily. So if you're in Christ. That can't happen to you. But does that mean that if you now succumb to your flesh, there will be or the snares of the devil, there will be no consequences. You may cheat on your spouse, your spouse may not forgive you, or at least not offer up the forgiveness. That includes keeping and restoring the relationship. That news may get out into the public, it may cause a scandal for you, it may cause embarrassment for you. You may then sincerely go back to Christ and repent. Will he forgive you?

[C]

Yes.

[A]

Yes. Will he. Will he take away the consequences of the actions you just had, though?

[C]

No.

[A]

Will he then go to your wife and say, let the whole thing go? Will he go to the community and say, just forget the whole thing? Like at the end of the last Spider man movie when they forgot Peter Parker was Spider Man. All your friends, all your family, they'll all forget the scandal that you cause. That'll happen.

[C]

That will not happen.

[A]

So there will still be consequences, right?

[C]

Yes.

[A]

But if you go back to him and repent and ask forgiveness, there will be no condemnation. Right? Is it not the same pattern? Yeah, same pattern. Now, one of the reasons why these questions get asked so much of us on this show is because they're not getting answered very much in your churches and they haven't been for the last generation. And that's why you're ripe for the pickings from the luck, from the likes of Tucker and Candace at all, because just haven't been disciple. Many of you are probably hearing what I just said when this was standard operating pastoral procedure in America for 200 plus years. Many of you just heard how I explained this to you, from the old to the new, for the very first time in your lives, including all the people watching on YouTube that they won't count later on. That is a problem. And that has more to do with why we're in the predicament we are as a culture today than literally anything else. The pump was primed for the. For the moment that we're in right now. The pump was primed, or should I say, not so much. It was just kind of left alone. Not that anybody, not that anybody I'm quite fond of experienced this recently. But suppose you just, you know, neglected to turn the light off in your car over and over and over again. The day would come, all right, when you go to start it up and the battery's gone. That's a great analogy for what happened to the church. Except in this case, it just kept its light off. Turn the light Off. And so now we are absolutely vulnerable to all these tropes, all these buzzwords that previous generations were all already were taught and taught how to work through. And oh, by the way, the abortion rate in Israel is significantly lower than our own. The homosexuality rate in Israel is roughly about our own. The fertility rate in Israel way higher than our own. Now, did anything I just say make a case that they're still a prophetic nation?

[C]

No.

[A]

No, because. Because it's not based on how we behave, but what he does through us. The reality is it doesn't matter if you think they're a prophetic nation or not, because we're commanded to love our neighbor as we love ourselves. Let's go back to the question I asked at the end of the last hour. Who would be a better neighbor? The person who believes Israel is still a prophetic nation or the person who believes that. That the people of Palestine are oppressed? Anyone within the sound of my voice and all the people. YouTube won't count. How would they all answer this question, do you think? Former. The former. Why is that? Because we have to love our neighbor as we love ourselves. And the people with the other worldview, they don't. They don't. And in fact, in their worldview, they're encouraged not to. And they're kind of considered wimpy if they do it anyway. And if, if you're one of them that does it anyway, then the militant ones who are truly following the word on the other side, they turn on you for simping for people like us. Thoughts? Before I move on?

[C]

I'm ready to move on.

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[C]

Well, listen, I applaud your stepping into the breach and just saying.

[A]

No, I'm gonna call BS on that.

[C]

I paid to come over here. Yeah. I ain't getting urinated on in Rome. No, that's good.

[A]

But I might get urinated on in Rome, but it's not going to be here on this tour.

[C]

But listen, there's the simple truth is most Christians, if I have to get urinated on every once in a while just to be comfortable, you know, that's just part of the toll that I got to play. You are in the place of the original bread and circus. And now we are more addicted to those circuses than ever before. Which is why even though she couldn't get it away with you, I guarantee you she gets away with it I all the time. Because we have no standards in that church that Steve just got lamenting other than our comfort. We want our ears tickled. We really don't want to get. It's messy. Let's all just be nice. So yeah, we got that circus. That Coliseum is alive and well. It's not a relic. That's the only thing. If that's like if that's the main thing you wanted to see, you don't need to go to Rome to see that. We've got them all over here in America and we are sacrificing Christians there all the time. We're doing it to ourselves though. That's what's even more amazing.

[E]

I'm not sure how I could follow that.

[A]

Okay, we'll move on. I wanted to confidentially tell you that I work for and with higher education institutions. So please pray for me. Both admissions and athletic departments helping them with their recruiting strategies and analytics around their prospects decision making process. Remember in Die Hard when Holly discovers that Hans is actually just a common thief who was in it for the money. That's the reason colleges love foreign students. They almost always pay 100% of the tuition costs. The sticker price listed on the website that almost no U.S. family pays to have their children go to the school most as you know, pay about 50% of what the listed price is. But the foreign kids, they pay 100%. The colleges think they need the money most are cash flow driven. And that's a huge revenue item, line item for them. I was hoping that more that this would get brought up more often in terms of why this is going on with so many foreign students in our universities now. Certainly the indoctrination motivation at the professional staff level is 100 true on most campuses. But the college leaders are squarely looking at Chinese communist youngsters with the same look Hans had when he countered that he was an exceptional thief and it just moved up to kidnapping. Great die hard reference there, by the way. Okay, that's a great die hard reference and how you analogized that, Mr. Name withheld by request. But you guys, thoughts on that?

[E]

This is delicious. Just incredible. Incredible. You mean to tell me that all of these various institutions of higher education where some of the worst ideas have been incubated in our nation, especially in recent generations, ideas like redistribution of wealth forcibly, things like that, although it's, you know, other euphemisms are used to describe that. Redistribution of wealth, communism, socialism, all this. And that all of these universities and institutions totally cool with that, totally preach that, encourage that. But big time capitalists when it comes to foreign students, especially the ones from the Chinese Communist Party, if that's not some delicious irony for you, I don't, I don't know what is.

[C]

And you need that money to, you know, pay for all of that bloat. Listen, we're having the same conversation as what's happening to athletics. They have to do this because newsflash, there's not too much money in college. Academic side of things, there just isn't. So they've got to do this now. All the idol worshipers, oh, I love sports. Put rub it all over my body 247 all the time. Who told you and lied to you there was too much money not to pay the players. That was a lie. Now they've got to do all this expansion in both sports that apparently everybody hates, even though they were rooting it on early on. And I was like, oh my God, what have I done? Because there was never too much money. And they have to do this because they have to bail themselves out just to have barely enough money to just to destroy it all together. And I told you from the beginning, there's not too much money in any of this in college. There's just a ton of awful, idolatrous decision making, whether we have to have the women's studies program and we need to transgender your kids or we need to have nil and transfer portal and all this stuff. All eyes, all idols, but none that you will smash.

[A]

Your daughter just won an award. What was it?

[C]

Sec Female Scholar athlete of the year.

[A]

So I just wanted to reset that because one, that's pretty darn cool. But number two, do not just yell in these things from the cheap seats. I mean, you're heavily invested actually in this.

[C]

I'm trying to save this. I desperately am trying to save this.

[A]

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Indeed. Indeed. That's, that's a value added. We'll throw that in for you. Gojevity.com code dace for 20% off. All right, let's continue on. All right, T. Brian Price has a check on me. Let's see if he's got a point. Okay. I was excited to hear that you'd been summoned for jury duty a couple weeks back. I believe I have a unique perspective on this because I've been a felony prosecutor for about a decade and mainly handling major crimes against women and children the last several years. I work in a conservative rural county, a county that voted for Trump by over 75%. However, in the last year, I have noticed a trend happening in our juries. Even here, where it's very red. It seems that more and more solid conservative people are doing their best to get out of jury duty, similar to what you described yourself doing. Having strong, hard opinions to try to make sure they get. They get struck. Meanwhile, it seems that the other side has no problem keeping quiet to try to get on the jury. Just this past year, we've had two juries that deadlocked 11 to 1 to convict on child molestation cases both times. We later found out that the lone holdout was someone who moved to this area from a major city and was clearly left wing. I would just like to implore upon you and your audience the importance of jury duty. By no means should anyone lie, but going into jury duty with the thought of how can I get out of it? Cannot be the answer. If we want to hold people accountable, like is often talked about, then that can only happen if we have good juries. As your show always says, be a citizen. Nothing is more fundamental to that than jury duty. Now, let me just say a couple things. I don't even know if they're in my defense. I'm not necessarily trying to defend myself because you're pretty much right in my. To add a little context, I was informed in advance it was not going to be at the criminal.

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Our.

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Our juries report here in Des Moines to two different buildings. There's a criminal building and a civil building. So I was already aware of the fact this was going to be a civil case, not a criminal case, number one. Number two, citizen is literally what I do all day long. What was I doing on the phone when I walked in here?

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Citizening.

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I was citizening. What will I likely do five minutes after I leave here when I have to get back on the phone more?

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Citizening.

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What will I pretty much be doing most of this weekend and most days when I'm not even on the air? Citizening. All right, so in my case, I would argue asking me to do this is would was getting in the way of all the other stuff. Citizening stuff that I have to do. Okay, but that could also be extremely self centered, arrogant and selfish. And I realized that at the exact same time. Right. So, but, but if I didn't think you didn't your central point was not accurate, then I would not have read it on the show. So duly noted, Mr. T. Bright.

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See, that's as important as anything else. Steve will submit this into evidence. Let's talk about this. It might be a hard conversation. I pretty much agree with everything you said and you said because I know specifically that that's most people are trying to get out of not only jury duty, but more broadly. And you're right, apply this generally to being a citizen on every level. Which is why I'm insanely relentless just like I was on two questions last segment about this kind of stuff. You are absolutely right as it does apply specifically. And I already had all, I knew all those details. But yeah, if, if, if Steve asked me point blank and these are the kind of things Steve asked me point blank about should I, shouldn't I, I would have given him a version of your answer and you would be right.

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But Steven, I promise if it was the kind of case that you're talking about at first I still would have been annoyed. But once I got there and found out my entire understanding of the situation would have changed once I got there. And it wasn't even. We're not talking the civil case either where some AG company is poisoning people's water. A couple signed a lease or signed onto a mortgage of a new home without an inspection that was in their contract. So as is. All right, they've then found out without. So they forewent the, the inspection and signed it as is. They then found out they had bought a lemon. Right. And so the whole thing was whether or not as is means as is because that's what they and they forego for when the inspection. And I'm looking at my watch thinking I've got a governor's primary here. I'm frankly trying to fix if I'm being honest because the entire damn thing's broken. I've got 37,000 other things going on. Someone else could have been discussing whether as is meant as is this. This really wasn't like an earth shattering check of citizenship that really took. This was taking away from the all the other citizening that I was. That I had to do that day. But again that could be entirely self

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centered, arrogant that that isn't. That two things can be true simultaneously. And if Steve didn't think so, he wouldn't have read your email.

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Correct.

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It's a good email, but it's a

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good check in general. In general you are correct. It's a good check. And the founders view juries as essentially the fourth unannounced branch of government that ultimately when you ran out of total options and everything went against you, that the last place you could go was to a jury of your peers to essentially nullify whatever the state was trying to do to you with their knuckle dragger.

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We got to rebuild the honor. Bob and I talked about this when you were late getting in here because of was it that or.

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Yeah, it was that day.

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It was that day. So ironically, here we are, conservatives are all only waiting to do something or get involved or get angry about something at the 11th hour when things are bad. No, you, you have to want to be involved because it's an honor to, to be part of this. This is the only reason why republics and democracies are going to the Greeks, to going to the Robins who also mess that up all the time. But that was the point. It's an honor to be a governor of your own life. But that requires a cost, a want to. If you're just dragged kicking and screaming into it, you're not a citizen, you're a slave. No matter what you think you believe.

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100%. 100%. I would also though add the likelihood, the kind of case you'd want me, someone like me to be a juror on. They'd never let me be a juror on that kind of case. I wouldn't even get to the first screening phase. I mean, can you imagine that? Okay. I mean. But anyway, yeah, go ahead.

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I was going to say, I mean if it's a case, like if you're called into the courthouse and you're being by the bailiff or whoever is informing you and you're like, hey, we've got this case. There's a young lady who became a man and now she is playing Achilles in the upcoming Odyssey.

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Like that.

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That is something that you would say, yep, that's me.

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I mean, I would absolutely make sure I was on that jury 100%. Yeah. Thankfully, such a thing has never actually occurred, so I didn't have to.

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Sounded pretty to me.

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It's a strange hypothetical. Indeed. It's kind of random.

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I thought it's pretty close to home.

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I mean, that's weird. They just pulled that out of nowhere. But he is a creative genius. Let's continue. Chanel writes, listen, man, it's May 8th. I've got two and a half months to dodge this vicious rumor. And don't think that I'm not prepared to do it. Janelle writes, I am very thankful of your podcast and listen daily. I think you three are godly men and I learn a lot when I listen to you. I have a question about Tim Keller. I'm wondering why you often bring up his name as someone who was a weak preacher. He's been a bright light in my life. I'm wondering if you've ever listened to his podcast on the Gospel in Life. I've never heard anything from Tim in the podcast that sounds so outside of biblical principles that you would need to pick on him. Perhaps you know something I don't know. I've never looked deeply to find out if he has some weird views. But over the last five years I've listened to him regularly. He's been such a help in my life spiritually. So I would not say. Well, I would say I would. I would say for sure. Warren has delved into some heretical views in recent years. I'm not even sure Joel Osteen has even preached the gospel before. Tim Keller has been. It has been a different kind of problem. Tim Keller has been what much of the church was in this last generation. That the gospel is this standalone construct over here and then the rest of the world happens over here. Let me ask. Janelle, let me ask you a question. Would you expect to. To. To. To be a. To be a vocal, influential Christian in New York City and never run into any controversy? And even before it elected a Muslim, it's been a very left wing city for how many years? Correct.

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Right.

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So especially in the post Giuliani era, would you expect to never be harassed for your views or to cause any controversy for your views? Whatsoever. If you were using all of the influence you had, just you as an individual in a city like New York, like even like neighbors or anything. Now imagine you're the, the head of a very large church and you're talking to thousands of people and, and, and what you're teaching and preaching them could, if properly discipled, cause them to set. Then leave your teaching and go out to. And magnify as a collective influence against all of these various spirit of the age influences already at play in the city. Correct. How much did we see evidence of that? How much did the people. Did the power structure of New York City say, you know, we got to do something about that Tim Keller guy. Why Charlie Kirk get shot in the throat? Because he was doing that. Because he was apostolically making disciples that went out and did those things. Tim Keller was not, and he wasn't trying to. And he would go even further later in his life and attack people like me who were. The idea that the gospel is some hermetically sealed formula. Do I think people got saved through Tim Keller? Absolutely. What he preached was often orthodoxy. But even at the end of his life. Did you know Tim Keller separated his congregation by back status? Did you know that during COVID Because he did. Separated him by backstatus. John Piper would be in this group too. I can't tell you how many hours of John Piper I listened to. I had a conversation with our CEO Tyler yesterday, and he was telling me that he is running into people in Dallas who are moving, young men who are moving to Dallas just to go to Josh Howerton's church. And I said, you know, 20, 25 years ago, young men moved to Minneapolis just to go to John Piper's church. Now, young men wouldn't be caught dead listening to John Piper. Why? Because Donald Trump was like really mean or something. And so that meant we just had to surrender the entire culture. John Piper went from Operation Rescue, where he was laying down in front of abortion clinics, to, you know, I really appreciate the Somalis in my neighborhood when we vote together. He just posted that in the last election cycle. See, this is what happened when you decide that the gospel is not here to intersect with the wider world. It was happy to give Tim Keller all the accommodation he wanted because it knew the enemy knew that Tim wasn't a threat. So sure. And he didn't want to be. And he condemned those of us who thought you should be. The cross is a perpendicular structure. Two beams intersect and do so painfully. And at the center of that is Christ painfully affixed to the intersections of these two structures. Follow me here. If you've never faced that as a believer at all, if you have, if you are, if you are collectivizing hundreds if not thousands of people under the banner of Christ and you haven't faced that, or your institution or building has not faced that at all, you should ask yourself if we're really preaching words of love seasoned with salt here. There's no way to do this without causing confrontation. And if anything, if Tim Keller was about anything, it was conflict avoidance. Unless it was to conflict and confront people like me. And then we were the problem. If we all just stayed in our silos and preached the gospel and didn't concern ourselves. Rick Warren had at one point the largest church in America right there in the heart of Southern California. What's one of the most left wing parts of the entire country? That Bill Hybels at one point had the largest church in America right there in the heart of Chicago. What's one of the most left wing parts of the country? Joel Osteen has the largest church in America right there in the heart of Houston. What's one of the most left wing parts of America?

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That.

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That.

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But you asked too much, Steve. Well, that those guys huddled in a room after their messiah was crucified and then rose from the dead. Went from like, you know, they were huddled, terrified before he came into the upper room and the Holy Spirit came upon him. And now, 2,000 years later, how many Christians are there in the world? But it's impossible for you to make an impact in your inner city or something like that, Steve. How dare you think that high and mighty.

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You'll never get to find any great Christian influence in the history of the church that didn't leave behind some form of conflict and social change. Right before World War II started, there was a book written in England called England before and After Wesley, talking about the Methodist revivals. And it's somewhat depicted in this latest movie, the the American Awakening movie about George Whitfield, which is excellent, by the way. You should go see if it's still out. If not, get it on pbod, because he came out of the Methodist revivals and left those to come and bring those here to America. And the whole book dictates how vastly different England was before and after Wesley, because you, you aren't. If you're really doing this to the fullness of it, if you're doing it to the fullness of it, there's no way not to cause friction and conflict. And as Jesus himself once said, if they're going to do this to a green tree, what are they going to do to you? I'll wrap it up from there. Give it over to you guys. The balance of the time. We got about 90 seconds left. Final thoughts.

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Well, look at the news cycle out there. I mean, we haven't Steve mentioned it as an aside today, sort of, but, you know, now that the alien and stuff like you, you've got to plant deep, deep spiritual roots so that limbs will grow and create life and create shade for the rest of the world. It's. It's not just about you. And I think your honest question about Tim Keller, it felt nothing but honest. But I think there's a level of naivete out there when you're looking out at the culture and the difference between Steve, who you listen to, and Keller. It's just pretty obvious there's way too many who believe that they've planted roots for themselves. And now that people like you are buying books or listening to podcasts, that that's enough. It's not even close to enough. And it never has been and it never will be.

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The bottom line. The bottom line every single week. If we could beat this into our own heads over and over again, and I know these two men do their utmost to do that, and as much as we can, reinforce this over and over and over again, as a rule, be uncomfortable. Do the uncomfortable thing. As a rule.

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Yes.

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That's the bottom line, whatever that is. Am I talking about. Yep. That. Am I talking about, you know, yes. The answer is yes. Don't get comfortable being uncomfortable. Comfortable. Just get uncomfortable. Do the uncomfortable thing.

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And there is nothing more uncomfortable than confronting the kingdoms of this world with the word of Christ. Nothing more. Go hard. Romans 8, 28.