Fauci's Diaries EXPOSED: Now What Are YOU Going to Do? | 7/30/26

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Episode: Fauci's Diaries EXPOSED: Now What Are YOU Going to Do?
Date: July 30, 2026
Host: Steve Dace (Blaze Podcast Network)
Guests: Joshua Carr
Theme: The ongoing cultural, spiritual, and political battles in America, inspired by newly exposed "Fauci Diaries" and their implications for accountability, truth, and personal responsibility within the conservative movement.

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Main Theme & Purpose

This episode dissects the broader meaning behind revelations from Anthony Fauci's "diaries" and testimony, focusing less on Fauci himself or political actors and more on the active responsibility of citizens in defending liberty, seeking truth, and responding to cultural decay. Dace draws sharp analogies to American history, spiritual battles, and current cultural trends, urging listeners to understand the nature of the "war" for America and their direct role in it. The episode also features an in-depth interview with commentator Joshua Carr about the ground reality of high-profile trials, the disconnect between online narratives and real-world activism, and the dangers of digital misinformation and passivity.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Fauci Diaries, Congressional Testimony & Conservative Vindication

• Satirical Recap: Dace opens with a montage, alternating between satirical "Dear Diary" entries from Anthony Fauci, Fauci pleading the Fifth Amendment repeatedly before Congress (111 times), and commentary that skewers the bureaucratic evasion of responsibility ([00:10]–[04:33]).

  • Memorable Satire: Mocking Fauci’s self-absorption (“Dear Diary, my national and international fame is explosive and really unimaginable.” [02:28]) and his deflection of accountability.
  • Discussion: Conservatives are often held to near-impossible standards for accuracy, while bureaucrats are shielded and can contradict themselves without consequence ([08:52]).

• Personal Reflection: Dace highlights the personal “honor” of Fauci mentioning his book critically in private notes—his book was the top-selling Amazon title, produced quickly as a public service, heavily footnoted with government data ([05:41]–[08:35]).

• Key Insight: “Throughout that entire era, we knew internally as a show that we had to bat a thousand. We could never be wrong. And the minute we were wrong about literally anything, we were done. And we knew they could be wrong and lie as many times as they wanted to be, but we couldn't even be earnestly wrong once.” — Steve Dace [08:52]

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2. The Real Debate: Post-Argument America and the War for Liberty

• Post-Argument Society: Dace and Aaron McIntyre argue that America is past the era of debate—institutions no longer argue or reason with dissent. The only real arguments are “amongst ourselves.” The task is not debate, but action ([11:37], [14:57]).

  • Quote: “There's a war happening. Thankfully, it hasn't turned hot yet in the physical sense, but it is certainly hot in the cultural and spiritual sense.” — Steve Dace [11:37]

• False Comfort & Misunderstood History: Dace rebukes the idea that historic struggles (e.g., the American Revolution) were mere debates or declarations—victories always required sacrifice, action, and perseverance ([14:51], [17:03]).

  • Quote: “They had to literally be driven off the shores. And then once they won the war, then... they were permitted the privilege of argument.” — Steve Dace [18:18]

• Evangelical Critique: Modern evangelicalism has taught passive forgiveness (“just give your sins to Jesus”) without formation or discipleship. Dace warns that true commitment requires daily sacrifice and ongoing action ([16:05]–[18:17]).

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3. Onus of Change: What Will 'You' Do Now?

• Responsibility Shift: The episode pivots to personal responsibility, declaring that the problem is not Fauci, nor even cowardly politicians, but the citizenry's ongoing passivity, inaction, and distraction by internal debates ([18:39]–[22:48]).

  • Notable Quote: “We're going to do everything it takes to win except that which the word of God from whom our rights come from says we can't. Everything else, though, we're going to do it.” — Steve Dace [19:28]

• Call to Action: Rather than "punishing" inaction by withdrawing from voting or other passive measures, conservatives must demand action and account for their own efforts.

  • Memorable Rant: Wasting time on endless online arguments about ideological purity is a recipe for losing; action is necessary ([21:58]).

• Consequence of Passivity: If Republicans do nothing and are rewarded by inaction, nothing will change; “You want to really punish the Republicans? Make them do something.” — Steve Dace [22:48].

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4. State-Level Opportunities & Structural Obstacles

• Legal Avenues: Dace encourages pushing state attorneys general to litigate fraudulent COVID-era policies, calling out the ongoing lack of meaningful consequence or reform ([23:41]–[24:14]).

• Window for Peaceful Change: There remains (for now) a peaceful, aggressive path to reclaim liberties, but this window is closing—a point underlined using both contemporary and Revolutionary-era history ([26:31]–[28:12]).

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5. Panel & Audience Reflections

• Accountability for Future Generations: Present passivity risks burdening future generations with the consequences of today's failures ([28:20]).

  • Aaron McIntyre invokes Flannery O’Connor: “Many people make the mistake of thinking faith is a warm electric blanket when really it is the cross. Time to get busy living or get busy dying.” [28:39]

• Vindication & Lack of Real Outcomes: Dace laments that being proved right about Fauci, COVID, and public deception has not led to genuine accountability or change; “...they’re 100% correct. And what does that mean... Six years later and we still don’t have mass, you know, actually real big time arrests?” [28:54]

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Special Feature: Interview with Joshua Carr

Segments: [31:41]–[45:38]

Background

• Joshua Carr: Political commentator known for debunking conspiracy theories, member of the LDS church, attended the high-profile Tyler Robinson trial in Utah.
• Purpose: To provide eyewitness perspective on the difference between online fervor and real-world action at the trial scene, where controversial social media figures (Candace Owens et al.) have spread competing narratives.

Key Insights

• Trial Attendance: Extremely limited public entry (14 spots per day), mostly filled by media, influencers—not everyday citizens or protesters. General decorum was civil, security was extremely tight ([32:31], [34:11], [39:23]).

• Online vs. Real-World Mobilization:

  • Despite immense online activity and claims of grassroots outrage/support (especially from Candace Owens’ followers), almost nobody actually manifested at the courthouse.
  • “I saw three people all week who supported Candace Owens, and that’s it.” — Joshua Carr [38:33]

• Metaphor for Broader Culture:

  • Dace draws a line to the episode theme: “All this heat and intensity in the virtual world, and yet when the event itself happens, like, almost nobody actually shows up. Holy cow.” [39:57]
  • Points to the hollowness of much online activism and the need for tangible, real-world engagement.

• Inside the Courtroom: Emotional pain was visible in the real families involved; “this isn’t a reality podcast TV show...this is like real life with real people.” — Joshua Carr [41:34]

• Evidence and Reaction: DNA and ballistics evidence not seen by public, clear but under-discussed in social media “conspiracy” circles. Carr describes defendant Tyler Robinson as stone cold except one moment of visible disagreement with trivial characterization (“His tell is that he shook his head. And the reason he didn’t shake his head at anything else...is because it was all the truth.” [43:23])

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6. Panel Reaction to Carr Interview

• Disconnect Highlighted: The gap between real activism and online performance underscores the episode’s call for real action vs. “clicktivism.”

  • “It just speaks volumes about how hollow so much of the social media nonsense truly is.” — Aaron McIntyre [45:45]

• Digital cults (ex: “Owenstown”) often don’t translate into real-world results.

• Audience Skepticism and Trust: The growing refusal to trust any “official” narrative has led some conservatives into alternate authority figures, but that’s no better. “If you’ve made Candace Owens your prophetess, then why is she the authority figure you’re willing to listen to?” — Steve Dace [47:43]

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Timestamps for Major Segments

• Fauci Diaries Satire & Congressional Testimony: 00:10–04:33
• Dace’s Reflection on His Book & Conservative Scrutiny: 05:41–09:36
• Debate Is Over—It’s Now War: 11:37–18:17
• Faith, Sacrifice, and Cultural Decay: 16:05–18:17
• What Are 'You' Going to Do? — Personal & Societal Responsibility: 18:17–22:48
• Don’t Reward Passivity; Demand Action: 22:48–24:14
• Window for Peaceful Change Is Closing: 26:28–28:12
• Panel Reflection (on Future Generations, Vindication): 28:39–29:58
• Joshua Carr Interview – Ground Realities vs. Online Hype:
  • Introduction and trial access background: 31:41–34:57
  • Security & audience demographics: 34:57–39:57
  • Inside the courtroom: 40:21–43:23
  • Evidence and emotional reality: 44:07–45:38
• Panel Debrief on Carr Interview & Broader Implications: 45:45–47:43

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• “We are post argument here and there’s really only one argument that ought to be occurring on our side. What have you done and what are you currently doing to secure your liberties and freedoms...?” — Steve Dace [18:39]

• “All this heat and intensity in the virtual world, and yet when the event itself happens, almost nobody actually shows up. Holy cow.” — Steve Dace [39:57]

• “Many people make the mistake of thinking faith is a warm electric blanket when really it is the cross. Time to get busy living or get busy dying.” — (Paraphrasing Flannery O’Connor, invoked by Aaron McIntyre) [28:39]

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Conclusion & Final Thoughts

Steve Dace drives home the core message: today's struggle is not merely political or about exposing bureaucrats like Fauci; it's a deep spiritual and cultural conflict. The real question isn’t whether politicians or pundits will do something, but whether individuals and communities will actively reclaim their rights and shape their future. The illusion of activism offered by social media is dissected and dismissed. Action, sacrifice, accountability, and an active faith are essential for real change.

“Never ask your politicians more than you’re willing to do, for they are your representatives, after all—not your leaders. Your representatives, which means a reflection of all of us.” — Steve Dace [29:37]

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Next episode teasers: Dace promises to further explore the philosophical evolution from Darwinism to utilitarianism and draw more connections to current cultural phenomena.

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(End of Summary)

Transcript

[Steve Dace]

It's the Steve Day show. And here's what happened while we were away. Brought to you by Toldja.

[Anthony Fauci]

I am very happy to testify before any congressional oversight committee. I have nothing to hide. Therefore, I will invoke my right under the fifth Amendment of the Constitution to refrain from answering your questions. Dear diary, March 22nd cases continued to soar. 30,000 in USA with 400 deaths. Press is going wild with me. Front page in Washington Post yesterday. An op ed by Maureen Dowd in New York Times today about me.

[Steve Dace]

Put your mask on.

[Joshua Carr]

You got to wear it on.

[Steve Dace]

I was simply asking, is that, is that true? I mean, did you literally lie to your own diary?

[Anthony Fauci]

On the advice of counsel, I respectfully declined to answer based upon my rights under the fifth Amendment to the Constitution. Dear Diary, I spoke with Bill de Blasio and convinced him, based on what I was saying publicly and my conversation tonight, to close the NYC schools. He had already decided, based on what I was saying on tv, always come back and say Fauci was responsible for closing schools. I had nothing to do.

[Steve Dace]

Remote students are facing higher stress, more health problems than others. 84% of fully remote students reporting things like exhaustion, headaches and insomnia. This pardon goes back to and if you'll see, January 1st of 2014. Did you talk to President Biden and ask for this pardon?

[Anthony Fauci]

On the advice of counsel, I respectfully declined to answer based upon my rights under the fifth Amendment to the Constitution. Dear Diary, big front page article about me appeared in the Washington Post. Very flattering. The officer explains that she's being arrested. When she continues to resist, he uses his taser. You can hear other spectators in disbelief.

[Steve Dace]

This is over a mask.

[Anthony Fauci]

Dear Diary, now we know the market was not the source. It was the amplifier. Some animal, probably in a wet market. It is totally not surprising that you're seeing the facilitation of this jump from the animal species to the human.

[Joshua Carr]

What day of the week is it

[Anthony Fauci]

today on the Divisive Council? Dear Diary, my national and international fame is explosive and really unimaginable.

[Steve Dace]

What color tie are you wearing?

[Anthony Fauci]

I respectfully decline to answer. Dear Diary, it is not hyperbole to say that today I am the most famous and talked about person in the country and one of the most recognizable persons in the world.

[Steve Dace]

What color is the carpet in front of you?

[Anthony Fauci]

Based upon my rights under the fifth Amendment to the Constitution. Dear Diary, more drama with regard to the cdc. We thought we had gotten them pulled back from making the statement that the vaccines were not effective at all. In preventing infection and transmission.

[Steve Dace]

It takes years to create vaccination.

[Anthony Fauci]

Well, it used to take years. Dear Diary, I got a call from the radiologist at Sibley Hospital where had gotten the chest CT in the morning. The only definite thing on the film was the pulmonary infarct. You know how many years were invested in this, in this approach? About 20 years of science.

[Steve Dace]

Were you carefully monitoring the safety surveillance systems like VAERS and V Safe that literally were deluged with complaints?

[Anthony Fauci]

I respectfully decline to answer based upon my rights under the fifth amendment to the Constitution. Dear diary, two authors named Steve Deese and Tom Todd Erzin wrote a book about me entitled Falchion the most powerful and dangerous bureaucrat in American History. It is a cheap paperback of 179 pages which I will not even read, but it contains the same sort of nonsense that the other conspiracy theorists have been saying about me. Use lockdowns to get people vaccinated. A lot of what you're seeing as attacks on me, quite frankly, are attacks on the fifth amendment to the Constitution.

[Steve Dace]

And that's what happened while we were away.

This. This is an important moment for the future of our republic. And here's the thing, though. It's really not about Anthony Fauci or even whether or not our politicians are willing to do something. It's really about us. And I'll explain that here next on the Steve Day show. And greetings. Happy Thursday. Welcome to the Steve Day show here live and on demand. I am Steve Dase alongside Todd erzin and Aaron McIntyre. Good to be back from what was a good trip out at the Pacific Northwest, getting a chance to speak in Alaska on behalf of TPUSA faith, and then had some meetings elsewhere in the Pacific Northwest on some movement stuff which

[Aaron McIntyre]

will

[Steve Dace]

remain undisclosed for now. But it was great to get a fall weather preview. But alas, it's now time to get back to regular order and back to work. And so here we are. And let me just start here with this. Absolutely the greatest honor of my career and quite possibly the greatest honor I will ever receive is Anthony Fauci writing a dear diary entry about me. He correctly named the amount of pages of the book. He's right. It was a cheap paperback. It was only $15. Fauci and bargain. The idea for the book came out because my publisher had heard through the grapevine that Republicans in Congress might be willing to get a spine and push back on Faucism. Now, since it'll be a Democrat imposing it and not the previous Republican administration. So they may Feel they've got a little bit more clearance to be real opposition. So his hope was, could we put this together, Todd? And very, very short notice. Kind of a culmination of everything that we had done. If we had gone through a normal publishing process, it would have taken months and months and months to get to you. It probably would not have gotten to you until 4Q21 at the earliest. So we made the decision not thinking we'd make like any money off of this at all, but just as a public service, we made the decision to put it out as an on demand paperback. Like, we didn't even print paperbacks. Like the same kind of vanity printing at Amazon that literally anybody in our audience could do. If you have your own book you want to do and you want to self publish it, that's what we did, okay. To get that book into as many people's hands as possible so that it was out by, I think, middle of March is when the book came out. And this has to be maybe the best selling book in the entire history of the Amazon print on demand sector of the company because it went number one overall in America not once but twice and sold well over 100,000 copies when you count both digital and print. But here's the thing that Fauci did not say about our book. Well, one, I don't know how he knows it's full of lies if he hasn't read it. Do you know how that works?

[Aaron McIntyre]

Well, he's the science.

[Steve Dace]

That's true. So he's really now almost a sage. He's an oracle. He just. He just knows things.

[Aaron McIntyre]

One that pleads the fifth correct 111 times.

[Steve Dace]

111 times, yes, indeed. And the part that he didn't tell you though, is there's actually, you know what there's more than pages of in that book? Footnotes. And almost all of those footnotes are from some kind of official or government data source. It's their own data. There's no conspiracy theories in there. In fact, the book doesn't really make any projections or connect many dots at all.

[Aaron McIntyre]

We made the conscious decision to not do any of that, not talk about vaccines, even though you know how rabidly I wanted to. But it was early on in that part of the debate. So we just said exactly what you're saying. We aren't going to give anybody any room.

[Steve Dace]

And throughout that entire era, we knew internally as a show, that we had to bat a thousand. We could never be wrong. And the minute we were wrong about Literally anything. We were done. And we knew they could be wrong and lie as many times as they wanted to be, but we couldn't even be earnestly wrong once. That's why we were very cautious. Some of you who keep going to me and saying, isn't Candace Owens doing what you did during COVID No, no. The exact opposite, actually. We didn't do any projection. We didn't do any dot connecting. We just went to the data over and over and over again. We let actual data speak for itself. We weren't just asking questions. We were seeking answers.

[Aaron McIntyre]

Yeah. You didn't do anything in the book where something came, like Anthony Fauci came to you in a dream or anything like that?

[Steve Dace]

Nothing. Nothing.

[Aaron McIntyre]

Yeah, nothing like that happen. No, we talked you out of that one. You were thinking about it. But.

[Steve Dace]

And, hey, Todd and I have the. Probably at least the hundreds of you conservatively. Remember, we did a marketing drive for the book late in its run where you could just, you know, here's Anthony Fauci's corporate address at NIA id, and you guys could send him a copy. I have to believe at least hundreds ended up in his office.

[Aaron McIntyre]

Well done.

[Steve Dace]

Which is maybe how it got on his radar. Okay. To be honest. And so, yes, we. We owe you for that one. So it's the greatest honor I'll ever. I have ever received professionally and may ever receive to have so annoyed that demonic little elf that he had to acknowledge me, even in his private moments. So thank you. But now I think. I think it's time to kind of get serious here on a few fronts. And what I'm about to say about Fauci in the aftermath of this hearing kind of ties into something that I. I've seen a lot online in the last year especially,

[Anthony Fauci]

and

[Steve Dace]

sometimes it presents itself as this shadow primary between Rubio and Vance. But I want to make sure everybody here within the sound of my voice. You know, I've been out. I've been on the other half of this continent and was literally on, you know, on the other half of this hemisphere for half of that time. And so I. I wasn't as plugged in, especially with all the time changes and how busy I was and the travel. So I wasn't as plugged in as I normally am. And that gave me an opportunity to kind of. Well, given the region of the country I was in, see the forest through the trees, so to speak.

[Anthony Fauci]

Right.

[Steve Dace]

And something I've been very concerned about as I kind of watched from afar. And I. And I just couldn't afford to be as plugged in. So I'm kind of catching up, you know, every couple hours I can plug in just to make sure nothing's terrible is going on. Right. Okay. And that broader perspective kind of I think, gave me even a more specific perspective. At the same time, I think there are too many of us that think we are. We are being granted the luxury of some like deep philosophical debate and we're not that there's still an argument taking place and there's nothing one of the biggest bureaucratic, maybe the biggest bureaucratic celebrity the spirit of the AH has ever manifested in. Anthony Fauci stood up there and told you 111 times that we're post argument, as Todd likes to say, and just pled the fifth for an hour and a half. 111 times. The only arguments taking place are really amongst ourselves. There's no argument, there's no debate happening here. There's a war happening. Thankfully, it hasn't turned hot yet in the physical sense, but it is certainly hot in the cultural and spiritual sense. And if I see any more posts online, 29 paragraph posts about Catholic integralism, or I see some other anon who has couldn't spell dispensational without a spell check, wax poetic about this yet again. And no, no, no, no, we don't have time for any of this. You know, Margaret Thatcher once famously said, first you win the debate and then you win the vote. And that was true for many years. What's the current status of Margaret Thatcher's England? How's it doing? Bad voting even matter in England at this point? Not really. You're essentially under a Muslim invasion and you're determining your rate of surrender. Do you want Mitt Romney Tories to surrender at the safest speed possible in due time, or do you want the Labor Party to just go ahead and force you to own a prayer mat? Now that's essentially what voting is determining in the uk And I don't think people understand just how close we are to that happening here. And what happens when you get to the point that you can't vote your way out of things anymore To a dark place we go. You know, we just celebrated America's 250th and it strikes me that I think a lot of my peer group thinks that our founders just declared stuff and the Brits were like, aw snap, peace out. Good luck to you.

[Aaron McIntyre]

No, it was just a debate society, Steve. That's why they wore the fancy coats.

[Steve Dace]

Yes, what we would consider savagery by the Contemporary standards of our comfort is what ensued for the next, what, six years? Wasn't just declare it and then it happened. You know, I. I know we come out of this generation of evangelicalism where if we just give our heart to Jesus, stuff will just happen then, right? The church told you had to repent of your sins, but then really didn't tell you what to do after you did. Because, see, taking the weight off your sin off your back and handing it to the Lord for what he did to you at the cross, it's still offensive to be told you're a sinner. Right? No one really enjoys that. Right. But see, here's the thing. That's the least offensive part of our message. That's the least offensive part. The least offensive part of the most offensive message in the history of this world is that no matter who you are and no matter what you've done, if you call on the name of the Lord, you will be saved. Now, it is offensive to this world to be told they have to call upon the name of the Lord to be saved. Correct?

[Aaron McIntyre]

Yes.

[Steve Dace]

But see, here's the thing. Our message only gets increasingly offensive from that time forward. Because here's what you get out of the great exchange out of him giving you forever. Jesus gets your right now and all of it. That's the exchange. He'll grant you forever. In exchange, you give him the right. Now, offer yourselves as a living sacrifice, holy and pleasing to God. Only then will you know his perfect and pleasing will. Do not be conformed to the thoughts and patterns of this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind. Did we not just study the book I just quoted for the last two years on this show? See, the message only gets more offensive after you're forgiven. It gets increasingly offensive from that point

[Aaron McIntyre]

forward

[Steve Dace]

because now we get to the, well, then, what's expected of me now? To die daily. That is the expectation to take none of your life and hold it up and say, God, I think this part's pretty good. Can I just hold this? No, no. Doesn't say a partial sacrifice. Doesn't say from the waist up. Doesn't say offer up the appendage you least care about. Sacrifice that. Offer your lives so that Christ, the hope of glory, can now live through you. That is the exchange. That's the exchange right here of the kingdom of God. You get forever. He gets right now, as many right nows as you're permitted. That's what he gets. And he'll give you forever in exchange. See, that's the part that a lot of the church for the last generation didn't tell you just feel real bad about your sins. Walk down an aisle, give that load to. Give that load to Jesus. And then about your way. Let's turn style in the next people that need forgiveness. No sanctification, no formation, no discipleship. And so we're in this era right now where we kind of think stuff's just gonna happen.

[Joshua Carr]

Yeah.

[Steve Dace]

You know that mean they wrote the Declaration of Independence, man, and. And skadoosh, you know, no. Down to the last red coat. They had to literally be driven off the shores. And then once they won the war, once they won the war, then. Then they were permitted the privilege of argument. You know what would have happened if the federalist and anti federalist started fighting each other during the Revolutionary War? You'd still belong to the court of King James. That's what would happen. We are post argument here and there's really only one argument that ought to be occurring on our side. Really only one. What have you done and what are you currently doing to secure your liberties and freedoms and take back your way of life and birthright for this and future generations? And that argument has one rule. Only one rule. Only one. Only one rule. We're going to do everything it takes to win except that which the word of God from whom our rights come from, says we can't. Everything else, though, we're going to do it. We're going to do it all. Except that we're not going to sit here and internally police everybody all the time unless they're doing something that God clearly in his word says is wrong. You know, like tormenting widows and bearing false witness every day that ends in y. But short of that, or saying, I don't know, let's retcon Hitler. Short of that, though, we're gonna do everything else. And if you've got time for nine paragraph missives 17 times a day online about Jews and dispies and boomers and integralists and neocons and isolationists, you've already lost. You already lost. You just lost another layer of relic of your past that they either urinated on over there or they just tore it down and threw it in the fire anyway, you lost. You lost. You lost. See, this isn't about Fauci anymore. And this isn't about a bunch of cowardly Republicans anymore. Did they take power themselves? Did the Republican establishment just mount up. And take the Capitol? What day of the year on the calendar do we mark storming of RNC headquarters? Do we know when they storm the RNC headquarters. Do we know when that was? Do you know what day that was? Was that on February 29th or 30th, do you think? What day was it? We let this all happen. We let it all happen. Fighting about a primary where no votes will be cast for 19 months and none of our votes may matter anyway because the president's going to pick the nominee is a waste of time that we don't have. A lot can change in 19 months. Tucker Carlson still knew Islam was bad 19 months ago. See, this really becomes now about us. What are you prepared to do? As Todd likes to say all too often, all right, sure. You know Republicans. Great. What are you going to do with it? That's great to ask that question. The other question becomes then what are we going to do if they don't do anything? What are we going to do? I'm going to black pill, not show up and vote. Okay, cool. Because here's the thing about those Republicans. If you really want to punish them, putting them in the minority won't do it. Guys. They want that. They want it. They love the minority. They're losers because they know that we are. And you put them in the minority. And the same Republicans that are stabbing you in the back now, they'll be sending you all your fundraising notes and robocalls next year. Help us stop these dastardly communist Democrats. And they know you'll pony up. They know they've done this one before. No, no, no, no. You want to really punish the Republicans?

[Anthony Fauci]

Make them.

[Steve Dace]

Make them do something. Here's my. My bright idea is I'm going to let the Democrats do whatever they want to punish the Republicans who have made it very clear they don't want to lead or do anything. So I'm going to give them what they want. Log on to atard finder at UNX and say, hey, we found several. We found several. You're. You're the mark. You're the mark. Not to mention that's more passivity and it's how we got here. So we're so not our. The Republicans are going to do what we're going to do.

[Aaron McIntyre]

What?

[Steve Dace]

Like I use the platform that I had for the last few weeks to say, where are the state attorney generals on the Republican Party to move the Overton window? They could act. No, no pardon. No matter whether it's legit or not. And this one's not. Is applicable on state crimes. Were these policies not enforced on people at the state level? Were they not? They Were and these policies are now all proven fraudulent. Where are they not?

[Aaron McIntyre]

Yes.

[Steve Dace]

So there would seem to be all kinds of state reasons why you would want to litigate this currently. Right.

[Aaron McIntyre]

Release the House.

[Steve Dace]

So after weeks of trying to press that now, yesterday James Earth Meyer down in Florida said, you know what?

Yeah.

We're going to take a look at this make demands act. I promise you there will not be a cultural big bang to save our way of life. I know you've been told give the right amount of money to this televangelist and stuff will materialize. Maybe for them, but that's not how it works for you. You're the mark. You're the schmuck. I know the last era of American evangelicalism told you all you needed to do was give your to give Jesus your your sins. I know that you've been told that. The funny thing is though, is Jesus done Talking at John 3:16 is the book of John N. That's the final word. For God so loved the world he gave his only begotten son, to whom shovelly believe in him will not perish but have eternal life. It just ends at John 3:16. Right. Jesus addresses no other broad based topics of the gods. Since God does that, then there's. There's nothing else after that. Then we just stay here and live in a perpetual state of forgiven bliss. And there's no other reason for being here. We're just here. We're just useless eaters from that time forward. But for forgiven of our sins. Of course that's what we are. Except we're repentant. Wally. Wally. Cast members. That's what we are.

[Aaron McIntyre]

Except like 18 chapters. There's nothing else.

[Steve Dace]

Correct? Yeah, but it's the longest of the Gospels and it goes on quite a bit. And in fact it's the one that Jesus talks the most and the longest in gives the most and longest and most detailed messages in the Gospel of John. It doesn't end at John 3:16. It goes on and on and on and on and on. They made a verse by verse movie of it about 20 years ago. It's like four hours. We're going to have to do stuff that means we're going to have to risk stuff. Multiplying passivity times passivity is going to give us what fat more, just more and more passivity. I'm just going to let the Democrats do whatever they want because I hate the Republicans. Those Republicans you hate, how much are they going to suffer by what the Democrats are doing? Not almost, not at all. How Much are you going to suffer, though, for letting them do it to you?

[Aaron McIntyre]

More than. Almost More than they understand.

[Steve Dace]

You're just. You're increasing your own suffering. You're not making John Thune. You're not punishing him by making a minority leader. He's hoping for that outcome. We're at a point now where. Where we have this is on us. How much more evil are we willing to let just urinate right in our faces and tell us it's raining? And then what are we gonna actually do as a people? What are we going to actually demand as a people? We still have a window right now to make these dues and demands peacefully but aggressively. Peacefully but aggressively. Peacefully but aggressively. But I'm just here to tell you folks, that window does not stay open forever. It doesn't. And the 250th, in fact, we just had the 250th anniversary of an event that demonstrated that window doesn't stay open forever. They didn't just declare their independence and got it. They had to fight for it. And we're gonna have to fight to keep it. Now, I prefer fighting aggressively but peacefully. I'm 53 years old now. Are you up for. How about. How you feeling?

[Aaron McIntyre]

Happy birthday, by the way.

[Steve Dace]

Thank you. You're a year older than me, right?

[Aaron McIntyre]

A little bit, yeah.

[Steve Dace]

So you and I look like we definitely. You and I look like we're like ready to jump in a steel cage match like right now. Right?

[Aaron McIntyre]

I am no longer spry.

[Steve Dace]

Yeah, exactly. So won't. So it won't be you and I. It won't be you and I that have to go take that to take this to the next level. Then one day will it.

[Aaron McIntyre]

Right? No.

[Steve Dace]

It'll be that son in law that you are about to have or it'll be the son that I already have. It's going to be those guys. They're going to be asked to do that and curse us if we force that on them because we were passive. Again, gentlemen, your thoughts?

[Aaron McIntyre]

Man, you know, your Flannery o', Connor, many people make the mistake of thinking faith is a warm electric blanket when really it is the cross time to get busy living or get busy dying.

[Steve Dace]

You know, said the worst part of this week, between the Fauci diaries and pleading that I am the fifth there in front of that Senate panel, the worst part of this week are all the people saying I was right. Told you so. You know why? Not because they're necessarily arrogant. Not because they're taking a victory lap. Is because they're 100% correct. And what does that mean when Those people were 100% correct? Six years later and we still don't have mass? You know, actually real big time arrests means that a lot of people are still very much asleep at the wheel. That's got to change and change fast.

Never ask your politicians more than you're willing to do for they are your representatives, after all, not your leaders, your representatives. Which means a reflection of all of us. More in a moment.

[Joshua Carr]

The steve day show.

[Steve Dace]

Well, based on the amount of yard signs in my neighborhood, it looks like there's somewhere people have gotten together and said, hey, we've got to start having some semblance of a housing market. If that's you, then given the instability in said market for going on how many years now post Covid, it is vitally important that you end up with a real estate agent that you can trust. Where are you going to find one? Well, the name of the website says it all. Realestate Agents I trust dot com. That's where you want to go. Find a real estate agent that you can trust. Whether you're buying your first home, selling your current one or what can be really stressful doing. I've done it before which is why I'm not eager to do it again. Doing both of those at the same time. It is imperative that you have the right person in your quarter, your corner and can save you a tremendous amount of stress, time and of course money. All right, so go to Real estate agents I trust.com Again, that's real estate agentsitrust.com well, I had a chance to watch this young man do an interview on my buddy Andrew Colvit show there on on the Charlie Kirk show with Blake Neff talking about his time being there both outside the court and then inside the court for one of the days of testimony there with Tyler Robinson's days of preliminary hearing. And I thought this was just such a valuable perspective. I wanted our audience to hear it as well. So let's welcome Joshua Carr to the program. It's good to have you with us on the Blaze here, Josh, how are you?

[Joshua Carr]

I'm great. Thanks for having me, Steve.

[Steve Dace]

You bet. Give our audience since the first time here for you, give our audience a little bit of your background. Tell them a little bit, a little bit about you.

[Joshua Carr]

Yeah, absolutely. I grew up in Orem, Utah where unfortunately Charlie Kirk was assassinated. I'm a member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints. I was a missionary and I've been a political commentator for the last three years now, and I've primarily kind of focused on dispelling conspiracy theories that people have basically thrown around. And it just so happened that one of the largest ones maybe in American history has happened right in my backyard.

[Steve Dace]

So with that as a background, let's. Let's tell us about how long were you around the hearing, both inside and outside, and why you chose to invest that amount of time?

[Joshua Carr]

Yeah, that's a great question. I mean, first and foremost, I wanted to be on the ground to actually see what happened. I knew that there would be Candace Owens fans there that would try to spin the narrative, and so I wanted to be there to be able to just to dispel those lies and those exaggerations from them. So I was there on Monday morning. I wanted to see all the people who showed up in support of Erica Kirk. I wanted to see all the people who showed up in support of Tyler Robinson, I guess, which is like a crazy thing to even say out loud. But, yes, there were some people there for him outside of his family. Of course his family can be there, and that's fine. But then in order to get inside, there were only 14 public spots. And so as the days went on, those spots got filled up faster and faster. So I actually ended up getting there at 2am on Thursday morning in order to get inside the courtroom on Thursday. And my understanding is that Friday, when they released that enhanced video footage, people were there as early as, like, 10pm the previous day just because they're just not a lot of public spots.

[Steve Dace]

How many spots for the public were in the courtroom, Josh?

[Joshua Carr]

So in the courtroom were 14 spots. I believe there were 14 more for specific mainstream media outlets. And then part of the reason why it was a little bit lower with 14 is I. My understanding is that more people ended up showing up from Tyler Robinson and Erica Kirk's family to be there. And so the court wanted to prioritize those people, which was totally fine by me, but it just meant, you know, it was very difficult to get inside. And I will say, out of those 14 public spots, I would say at least eight to 10 of them were not true public people in the normal sense of just random people wanting to get in it were it was influencers or podcasters like myself wanting to see what was going on.

[Steve Dace]

How many people were vying for those spots, would you say?

[Joshua Carr]

Great question. You know, I wasn't there on Monday or Tuesday, so I can't say for certain. I would say, on average, what I was seeing was maybe 30. I had a few people who were there almost every single day that were part of mainstream media outlets here in Utah that weren't able to get media credentials. And so my understanding is only about 30 attempted every day. Because usually what would end up happening is people show up at 4am, 5am I saw this firsthand, and they would see the line. They knew There were only 14 spots, so they would just pick up and go. But the day I was in there on Thursday, like 30 people still lined up anyway, because I guess they were just like hoping that somehow there'd be a spot for them. But they, I know they turned away anyone that was over that 14 person threshold.

[Steve Dace]

So let's talk about. So it's roughly three to one. Three people for every spot is what was kind of waiting out there. Okay, talk about the, the day that, which you observed outside, how, how was decorum? How did people treat one another? Were there arguments? Were there debates? Was there anybody that, you know, went crazy, went nuts? What'd you say?

[Joshua Carr]

Yeah, good question. Yeah.

[Steve Dace]

On.

[Joshua Carr]

So on Monday, I would say I couldn't actually identify a single Candace Owens or Tyler Robinson supporter. Most of it was just mainstream media outlets or people waiting in line. Everything was quite orderly. I think people are mostly just curious on who was going to show up. But on Thursday.

[Steve Dace]

Hold on, can you pause for one second? One second there, Josh. So one of the things we're trying to figure out on our show right now is what audience is real and what audience is not. Yeah, okay, right. Because, you know, clicks from a foreign country would count just as much. Your views from a foreign country are going to count just as much on YouTube or any other, you know, X or any other algorithm as anything else. Right. And, and the vast majority of us don't have the time nor the treasure to look into, you know, quantifying, you know, IP addresses. And even if that information was readily available and it's not, so there's really, you know, ultimately your audience is what you can mobilize, is that seems to be the only objective thing, you know, what you can deliver for an advertiser. Right. Can, can you sell their product for them? Because that's how we all monetize our shows. Unless you're, you know, unless you put it strictly behind a paywall, which is fine, but that's, you have to revenue generate some way, and that would be the only two ways. Right. So, so, so we need to move an audience for a product or an advertiser. We need to show that, you know, that we can move an audience for a cause and not just have you see what I'm trying, what I'm getting at here. All right, so. So what you're saying is that this woman has spent nearly a year of her life tormenting Erica as a widow in violation of every biblical code that was ever written. And, and just literally making up stuff, whole cloth and receiving all these number one rankings on all these, on all these algorithms. And you're telling me that day one of the Tyler Robinson hearing, there wasn't a visible person that, that felt that they should go out there and just to make sure that Tyler was getting a ready defense? Nobody visible there on date, on day one. Nobody.

[Joshua Carr]

So. So that's exactly right. I mean, I was fully expecting and in fact, the reason why I was there Monday morning was to interview Candace Owens fans out on the street. That's what I was wanting to do. The only person that I could visibly see was Brandi, who I'm sure your audience is familiar with. She's peddled a lot of these conspiracy theories and at the time I didn't know who she was, so I had no idea she was a Candace own supporter. But she wasn't talking to anyone. She had no really desire to get to the truth. She was kind of looking around and taking some photos. And I know she was there every single day. Than her. There was absolutely no one there. The only other people who are Candace Owen supporters that I ever saw was on Thursday morning. They were helping each other save spots for Brandy. But beyond that, there was no one. And this is a point I've made many, many times. It's like if you want to run an investigation, you would just figure that being on the ground would be like step number one. And that's something that Baron Coleman and Candace Owens have never done. They've never gone to uvu. They've never gone to the preliminary hearings. And again, I'm telling you, out of all the days I was there, out of all the people that I know who were there, I've asked them many times. I saw three people all week who supported Candace Owens, and that's it.

[Anthony Fauci]

Wow.

[Steve Dace]

Which leads you to a couple possible reasons for that. How many of the audience is even American? And then how much of the audience are honestly just a bunch of largely affluent white women with way too much time on their hands? And the right wing version of the women who have too much time on their hands on the left, the wine moms who watch the View, These are just the, the, the right wing versions of affluent, suburban, exurban or wealthier women who want the tea, love the gossip. Okay. And love to passive aggressively, you know, on anonymous screen names, attack a woman that they're jealous of for probably being prettier and smarter than them. But this isn't, like, a real mobilization. I'm guessing there was a lot of security there. There was a lot of security there. I'm guessing anticipating that this might be the case, right?

[Joshua Carr]

Yeah, there was so much security, and it really surprised me. Like, I was there at 2am People were kind of concerned. My family was concerned that people may come and try to do harm. But there were police officers everywhere inside the courtroom. There were, like, six, maybe eight people, police officers, like, staring down the public at all times. There were people outside the courthouse. I mean, there was just a lot of expectation. I know there were even snipers on the roof, was my understanding. That's what the head of security told me. And so there was a large expectation that this could get kind of intense. And it just really did it. And I think it's for all the reasons that you just said so.

[Steve Dace]

Boy, this is a metaphor, guys. The conversation. We were just having all this heat and intensity in the virtual world, and yet when the event itself happens, like, almost nobody actually shows up. Holy cow. You weren't even here for the opening monologue. Josh, you have no idea how much you just wrote the epilogue to how I just opened my show. All right, but let's get into what you saw inside the courtroom. Take us there.

[Joshua Carr]

Yeah, absolutely. So I got in there. The rules were very strict. They had had problems with people basically looking around trying to see Erica Kirk's reaction or Jack Posobiek's reaction or Officer Tatum or Tyler Robinson. And so they were like, look, you got to look forward. You cannot smile. You cannot laugh. You cannot cry. You have to look forward and listen and do nothing else. And that's why they had police officers staring us down the whole time. And so I had to be very careful not to react. Fortunately, I had a perfect line of sight of Tyler Robinson the entire time, so I could see what he was doing that was just directly in front of me. Tyler Robinson's family was sitting directly in front of me. His, I believe, his brother and his cousin and his parents were quite literally just right here in front of me. And then the Kirk family was behind me. Erica Kirk was to the back left of me. And so I was able to hear what was happening with the Kirk family behind me. And I was able to see everything with The Robinson family. And the day I was there on Thursday was when a lot of this evidence was released. And it was very emotional for both the Kirk family and the Robinson family, in fact, many times. So they would kind of let you out for recession. They would let the Kirk family out first, then they would let us, the public, out for next, and then they would let out the Robinson family. And so I actually was able to see the eyes, like I looked into the eyes of Tyler Robinson's parents several times, and I didn't say anything to them because I didn't know what I would say that wouldn't be appropriate. But I could see real pain in them. I didn't see this indignation of them trying to prove that their son hadn't done this. Instead, it was them sad at the evidence that they had seen and how callous he had been in talking about the murder he had committed. And so all of that to say, you know, it's one thing to see the evidence. I know there was some evidence I saw that day in the courtroom that hasn't been released to the public. But even beyond all of that, I think those emotions, back to your point, really show that this isn't a reality podcast TV show. This is like real life with real people. And I think more people on both sides, frankly, need to treat it that way.

[Steve Dace]

You said you had a chance to look into Tyler Robinson's eyes. What did you see?

[Joshua Carr]

So not Tyler Robinson's eyes specifically, just his parents. Tyler Robinson was facing kind of four. So he was to the top right of me, and he was kind of facing to the left because that's where the monitor was. So that was the only time I could see his actual face. But Tyler Robinson was stone cold the entire time. He did not look backwards. He was probably instructed to do that because that's where the a still camera was. And they could take photos that day. And so I'm guessing they didn't want any photos. He had been caught laughing with his lawyer on Monday. I'm guessing they wanted to avoid anything like that. All I can say from his demeanor was that he was very intently looking at the monitor. He was very intently looking at Lance Twig's testimony. He was always very intently looking at whoever was testifying on the stand. And at no point did he turn his head or shrug his shoulders or anything like that. Except for one time. And I brought this up at the Charlie Kirk show, so I'll bring it up with you as well. When Lance Twigs was giving his testimony, he was Talking about Tyler Robinson being an electrician or electrician assistant. And I was staring at Tyler Robinson the entire time because I wanted to see his reaction to this testimony. And for the first time and the only time that day, Tyler Robinson gave a little shake of his head as if disagreeing with what Lance Twiggs had said. And what Lance Twiggs was talking about was kind of trivial. You know, just basic questions at the beginning of his. His testimony. It wasn't anything big. But to me, what I took away from that, and maybe this is speculation, and so people can disagree with me if they want, but what I took away from that is that Tyler Robinson has a tell. His tell is that he shook his head. And the reason he didn't shake his head at anything else that day is because it was all the truth.

[Steve Dace]

What surprised you the most by what you saw?

[Joshua Carr]

Well, I think what surprised me the most was the depth of evidence, of DNA evidence that was shown in court that day. I was able to see personally the targets as well that were in Tyler Robinson's house and. Right. It was apparently right next to his room. I don't think they released those to the public. Maybe you could correct me if I'm wrong, Steve.

[Steve Dace]

Not that I saw. No.

[Joshua Carr]

Okay. So, yeah, that would be a piece of evidence that, you know, I'm only one of a few people who have seen. Essentially, there are targets that were found on top of the safe where the bullets were, and they were 3006 bullets, and they had holes in them. And those holes were congruent with a.30 06 round. And they were also incredibly accurate. And there were several different clusters and on several different pages. Again, I saw these with my own eyes, and it was very clear that he is a very good shooter and that. And we frankly have other photos that people have put out on the Internet of him handling guns. It seems like he. He knew what he was doing. And I think that was a. A really shocking piece of evidence that just no one's talked about yet. And I've really never seen the conspiracy theorists even try to grapple with that because they know how damning it looks.

[Steve Dace]

Great stuff, Josh. How can people follow your work if they want to continue to do so from here?

[Joshua Carr]

Yeah. Thank you. You can just search Joshua Carr on YouTube. My show will pop up. And if you prefer to listen on Spotify or Apple, you can just search the Josh Carr show.

[Steve Dace]

Great work, brother, and appreciate the work in Perspective. Thanks for joining us. We'll do it again sometime. Thanks.

[Joshua Carr]

Thank you, Steve.

[Steve Dace]

Anytime you Bet.

[Aaron McIntyre]

Take care.

[Steve Dace]

Gentlemen. Your thoughts? What do you think?

[Aaron McIntyre]

I think what the first half of the conversation we talked about the simple fact that there was no great Candace cult on the ground there at the court. Interestingly enough, with your entire monologue about those who show up and those who do things versus those who just talk and what we need to do about that in this case, when trans equals terrorism, they've been talking about took away Charlie Kirk and the person who thinks that they have all the answers cannot push anybody into the actual arena to be about the real people, the real thing. It just speaks volumes about how hollow so much of the social media nonsense truly is.

[Steve Dace]

Yep.

The last two things we talked about are really the same thing. Yep. To the extent that there is this Owenstown phenomenon behind, you know, maybe not getting out in public, but behind listening to, clicking on, buying the products that Candace Owens that she pushes, I think the best case scenario is that there are millions of people out there. This is the best case scenario and this is not a good scenario at all. Millions of people out there who 2020 was the last straw of absolutely shattering any sort of trust in narratives. Basically, the worldview of these people are whatever I am told, whatever evidence I'm given by anyone in authority, I'm going to believe anything other than that, that's really dangerous. You understand the cause that doesn't justify believing the nonsense that Candace Owens has pushed out there. But you kind of understand why there is a huge, seemingly, at least on the digital airwaves, misnomer there. You understand why there's a market for it.

Sure. But if you've made Candace Owens your prophetess, then why is she the authority figure you're willing to listen to, then demonstrate the sincerity of your, of your contention and truly don't listen to any authority figures then instead of making up different ones. All right, back here with hour two, live and on demand here on the Steve Day Show. That would be me alongside Todd Erzin, who apparently wants to get cussed out by a WNBA team owner. That's why you wore that shirt, right?

[Aaron McIntyre]

It's the dream, Steve.

[Steve Dace]

Indeed. And then Aaron McIntyre, who just wants to literally be cussed out by pretty much anybody. You're fine with it?

[Anthony Fauci]

Sure.

[Steve Dace]

As long as you've earned it. As long as you've earned it. You can let us know what you think about what we think via the stevedace.com inbox by emailing the show steve dace.com that's D E A C E like us on Facebook, Me, we and Gab. Follow me at Steve Dace show on x Instagram and TikTok. You can also subscribe to our Rumble channel at Steve Dace on Rumble. That's at Steve Dace on Rumble. And then hey, don't forget if you're a podcast listener, you're the biggest part of our show because it's certainly not YouTube. So it's you too. I can make something of that. Sorry. Hit subscribe or if you're an Apple itunes follow. Then leave us a five star review as so many of you have. Thank you. If you add yours today we appreciate them all and well my grown children appreciate their Raycon earbuds that they keep get. Take. Getting. That's right, getting from me. Although it looks an awful lot like taking them from me. It was some with somewhere in full swing. So many celebrations happening this year. Whether you're headed to the backyard barbecue, running errands, just enjoying the nice weather. Raycons Essential open earbuds. They will. They will become a part of your daily routine. Especially if your name no. Or Anastasia Days. Well now Hibs, they'll become a part of your routine too. Not a part of mine. Not a part of mine. Because I will have to never possess them because they'll take them from me. But if you want your kids to take these from you too, they're 20% off right now if you go to buy Raycon R A Y c o n buyraycon.com Steve that's buyraycon.com Steve to get 20% off. All right. So whether you're at the gym again, running errands, working from home, hanging out with friends, you know, all the stuff that you know my adult children do because they've got my Raycons right. They're going to become a part of your daily routine. Buyraycon.com Steve get 20% off thanks to Raycon for sponsoring buyraycon.com Steve for 20% off do you have something like that in your guys homes? Well, Aaron's kids are still too young. Do you have something like that in your home? Where it's just like. I just know if I bring this into the house it's just gonna be benignly or politely claimed. You have anything like that?

No. Abby has completely ruined two pairs of wireless earbuds.

How'd she ruin em? Out of curiosity.

She thought they looked like fun to suck on.

That'll do it. Yeah, that'll do it for sure. Yes. And then of course you're freaked out that she's gonna choke right? At the same time, yes. At least I would be.

[Aaron McIntyre]

That's why I don't own things. I just walk.

[Steve Dace]

God's answer is just to. Well, he is Catholic. His answer is just to be a monk. Essentially take a vow of ownershiplessness. Right?

[Aaron McIntyre]

Yes.

[Steve Dace]

Yes. That way you don't have to be disappointed later when your kids just take stuff from you.

[Aaron McIntyre]

Right. Actually, one of the classic things, one of my infant, along the lines of what Aaron said by the first two pages of Genesis in the Bible, I got at my confirmation, gone. And nobody knows where they are.

[Steve Dace]

They never know.

[Aaron McIntyre]

No, it was.

[Steve Dace]

I did you have to. I had to ban not me. When the kids were little, I had to ban that phrase in her home. Because the minute. Who. Not me. I didn't even get the words out of my mouth right. Not everybody would say not me. So we had to ban not me in our home.

[Aaron McIntyre]

I think it was. I had it too low. I think it was a toddler. And I have a feeling that either one of the older sisters or even my wife just said, we're gonna. We're all. We have a pact. We're never gonna let anybody know who took the first three chapters of Genesis out of the Bible.

[Steve Dace]

And there's a thing too, though, with your kids, you kind of like that there's a balance there. Like you want them to kind of have that. Their own code and relationship among. Because there's going to come a day that we're not going to be here and they're going to need each other all the more. Right.

[Aaron McIntyre]

To hear the stories.

[Steve Dace]

Yes.

[Aaron McIntyre]

Now, about back in the day and when the girls will concede like they had this do not tell tat.

[Steve Dace]

Yeah, that's. I don't know how to take it because my kids now feel safe to. We sit around on family dinner and they feel safe now to tell me all the stuff they didn't tell me. And I think I'm supposed to laugh and stuff and. And think it's funny. Sometimes I do. Sometimes I like they should have told me that, you know. All right, let's get to it. Time for some theology Thursday. And we are working through now the seven deadly world views. And if you go through here, this is the order of deconstruction as it often happens in a culture or in our own lives or maybe as a species. So it starts the very first one, Gnosticism, the questioning of the sufficiency of God. Is he holding out? Is he truly holy and set apart and trustworthy or not? Did he really say Maybe he Needs an editor. Which brings us to the second deadly worldview now, legalism, where we decide God does need an editor. And I got through explaining to you a couple weeks ago how we're actually in the most. One of the most legalistic, legalistic eras in the history of the church. And I think a lot of us just don't see it because to us, you know, if you go back and watch how much I love that movie from 20 years ago, that movie Joshua, where Tony Goldwyn plays Jesus. It's based on a series of books written by a retired Catholic priest that begins with what would happen if Jesus had not come until modern times. And the first book is called Joshua. It was made into a film. It's very, very well done. And F. Murray Abraham, who is an Academy Award winning actor, kind of plays the legalistic local priest.

[Aaron McIntyre]

Right.

[Steve Dace]

He's got the furrowed brow. Right. You know, and he's perpetually forlorn.

[Aaron McIntyre]

He does that in everything. He was that in Amadeus. Yes.

[Steve Dace]

He made a career out of that, basically. Yeah. All right.

[Joshua Carr]

And.

[Steve Dace]

And so when we think of legalism, that's who we think of because that is how often it is presented like that. Right. You know, and God's never pleasable, but not in the. That's why you should give your life over to him kind of a way, but in a way where it's. He's still like inaccessible to you. Like, you see what. I'm a different kind of God. You can't please God and. And yet, in other words, going to put more demands on you than what God does. All right, but legalism works the other way too. When we put less. We put less demands on you than God does. Less demands on ourselves. Well, that's what God used to think. Well, I mean, that's what the word of God used to say. That's what preachers back in the day used to preach about. But, you know, modern audiences, as the critical drinker likes to say, you know, who bought into the modern audience trope before Hollywood did, the evangelical pulpit did. Modern audiences cannot, you know, cannot handle the dissertations of Romans verse by verse. Modern audiences can, Cannot know what an imprecatory prayer is. We have to make it amenable to modern audiences, often very feminized audiences. By the way, that's legalism. 100%. It is. And it's one of the most legalistic eras in the history of the church, certainly at least the Western church, for sure. So now once we have diminished the sufficient. Sufficient. The sufficiency of God's word then we have said that God needs an editor, so God needs us rather than we need him. We now move on to the next deadly worldview that we talked about last week, which is dualism. We now begin to erode the barrier between us and God not through an intermediary like Christ, but we essentially bring God down to our level. That God is now not holy and set apart the supernatural world. And the connection between the natural and supernatural world that was broken by our sin has, has never been broken because we're not really sinners and God's not holy or set apart. And we're all just one in this circle of life. We're either pantheists or panentheists. Either God exists within the circle of life with us, or we exist within a singular consciousness with God. And good and evil are now co equal entities. And and we decide they they bend to us. We're the masters of the universe. We have the power. So we've completely eroded the supernatural distinctiveness of God through dualism. That'll take us to our next worldview where now we're just going to adopt naturalism instead. The material world is the ultimate outcome for us as a species. And that brings us to Darwinism. Darwinism is the belief that the universe is the result of random chance occurring completely within the natural world in processes and systems, and not the purposeful plan of a creative and sovereign God. Humanity therefore, is a mere byproduct of this methodical evolution of natural substances. It is not the imago dei, it is not made in the likeness and image of the Creator. This materialistic worldview thus nullifies biblical doctrines like original sin, salvation and miracles, and instead sees the human condition as a result of simple natural selection. Therefore, humanity as a species progressively evolves physically, mentally, morally and emotionally. What you need to understand is this has been in this last era, the dominant theology and worldview in the West. It is the genesis story of what has happened to the west because it goes right at the Genesis story. Every ideology that you are up against today, Communism, Marxism, wokeism, liberalism, progressivism, none of them are possible and none of them existed within Western thought in any kind of systematic or significant systematic form or significant presence. Prior to Darwin, If Margaret Sanger was the most influential woman of the 20th century, Darwin was her greatest influence. Darwin is a mosaic figure to the spirit of the age. As Moses went up a mountain and came down with revelation from God, Darwin went to an island and came back with revelations from the natural world. And the world hasn't been the Same ever since. Now who was Charles Darwin? Let's start there. Charles Darwin. And you're going to see a kind of a pattern here, kind of a pattern here. Marcion, Arus, Pelagius, the maybe the three greatest heretics in the history of the church, right? All had connections formerly to the church or were formerly church officials. Charles Darwin was baptized within the Church of England as an Anglican as a child. His mother was an active member in what was called a Unitarian congregation while he was growing up. Now, that word in the early 19th century didn't quite mean what it means to many of you now. In the early 21st century they were on their way to becoming what you now know Unitarians as. But they weren't there yet. They weren't full fledged heretics yet. They were largely people that believed in what's called world oneness theology or modalism. The idea that the Trinity either never exists, does not exist, or it exists, it existed in a mode at a time that God was the Father first, then God became the Son next and now after the Son we have God the Holy Spirit now or modes. And therefore all the various debates and discussions within Christendom about these ideas were all just one unified theology. Now in the generations that since this became a dominant position in the, in aspects of the church in the west, what happened when second and third generations of Unitarians grew up and inherited these views? What did they do? Well, they took them to the most logical conclusion and just became outright heretics. And so Unitarians were a significant presence within the Christian community in the 18th and even early or the 19th and even early 20th century. Even in America and within the west, you don't see many of them today. Because once one generation starts to let go of the rope of the fundamentals of the faith, the next couple of generations will just say, well, we'll just let it slip through our fingers altogether then what's the point? At that point, yeah, there's no real distinctiveness. If nothing's worth debating about, nothing's worth arguing about, then the whole thing is pointless. Right? It's why you always see like the woke preacher clips online when you see the technicolored trune giving you the gospel of Talarico at some Episcopalian church, there's like 20 people there, right? It's why. Because ultimately if you're going to just tell me the same things the world tells me, I can just sleep in on a Sunday and no one passes a plate and asks me for money, I can just, you know, log on my Phone and hear all this all week long. Right. I'm just going to sleep in. Right. There's the salt has lost its savor if it's of no use to anybody except to be thrown out and trampled underfoot, as the Lord once said. Right. So this is the theological background of Darwin. He is born into a church founded because Rome would not grant the king yet another annulment. So he started his own church, thought that he had the right to therefore edit the Lord's Prayer. The line thine is the kingdom, the power and the glory was inserted later by Henry viii. Okay. And then couldn't decide actually the rest of his reign whether he was Catholic or Protestant at the urging of the Protestants, who were no fans of Sir Thomas Moore, who was a devastatingly effective Catholic debate debater and also educated king. King Henry VIII when he was a child. All right. When. When the Reformation, when he pretended to be a Protestant for a while, then, you know, he had Thomas More, I believe he had him burned right at the stake. Correct.

[Aaron McIntyre]

Beheaded. Right.

[Steve Dace]

Or was it beheaded? Something like that?

[Aaron McIntyre]

Well, one of the others.

[Steve Dace]

One of the other, yeah. He had him executed. But then the Protestants thought they had an ally. No. You know, don't make scorpions for a pet. Okay. Didn't work out necessarily for the Protestants either. Okay. And then one of his daughters took over for a while in one of the kingdoms and became known as Bloody Mary. So essentially, Henry VIII was just a man after his own heart. Catholic or Protestant. But that's the. That's the history of the Church of England. The people who founded the country, the Puritans, were not running away from Rome. They were not running away from the Islamists. They were running away from the Church of England. Other than the Bible, up until recent years, the second greatest selling book of all time was John Bunyan's Pilgrim's Progress. He wrote that book while imprisoned for over a decade at the behest of the Church of England, King Charles today, who is essentially a Muslim. He's not just king, but he presides over the Church of England and he's essentially a Muslim. So the. So the Church of England, its entire founding, is essentially a scam. So it's not a coincidence what ultimately transpired. He found something in a scam. It kind of just continues to. To be one of those happy aid

[Aaron McIntyre]

Mubarak to you all.

[Steve Dace]

Indeed.

[Aaron McIntyre]

Okay.

[Steve Dace]

But this is the theological background that Darwin is born into. All right, so his father as a young man, his father whose family was well known for being humanists openly skeptical of Christianity. Ironically, though, his father suggested that he become a clergyman for the Church of England. In fact, Darwin at his bequest, even went on to study theology while at Cambridge. The point being that he just. That's a nice life. I mean, I thought it'd be a great idea. It's a nice life. It's a cushy life. It's a comfortable life. He's going down a mine shaft. The flashlight, as my first radio boss once told me, Bob Dyer back in the day. Right. That's all right. So this is his theological background. All right, Mom. Belongs to what we call a heretical sect. He's baptized in a church that began from a total scam. His father doesn't believe any of this, but thinks because it would have made a nice living, he should join the Church of England anyway.

[Anthony Fauci]

Right.

[Steve Dace]

You could kind of. Pardon me, you can kind of see where this is going to end up in a way. Darwin later wrote to a friend that his intention of ending the ministry quote, died a natural death during his famous trip on the HMS Beagle, which I loosely alluded to a few minutes ago. Now, on this trip, the captain of the ship, by the way, was a devout Christian who read the Bible aloud to the crew every day for the entire five years voyage that they sailed on together. But it was at this time that Darwin became fascinated with a relatively new science called geology. And one book in particular written by a Bible skeptic who tried to use geology to disprove the story of Noah's flood. Now, this guy's geological claims have largely been. As time has gone on and the science has become more modernized and provable, many of these original claims of geology are not true, in fact. But this was the, the new main source kind of the conversation we were just having about the skeptics. Aaron, that came out of COVID Right. Okay. Now you may say I'm just going to be skeptical of any official story. Okay, well then, you know, why then are you willing to grant authority to the alternative story? How do you know you shouldn't be skeptical of that? Right.

Well, I mean, it's the point I was making. Just for clarity, I don't think anybody should not be skeptical. But the point I'm making is that this particular group of people is not just skepticism, it's a rejection.

Correct. And of course, as you're going to see with Darwin, by the way, when you reject the original order, you're going to have to replace it with something. See, why can't you just stay in a state of perpetual skepticism. I'm going to tell you why. Because you're made in the likeness and image of God. It's not possible for you to do it. You're not your own God. You can't do it. Your heart needs has a God shaped hole within it. You will therefore, and all human beings have therefore, and every human society therefore has required one of the two things and most often both of them at the same time. Someone will always rule and something will always be worshiped. You're not your own maker. You were made. You can't run from your wiring. You can corrupt it. Like adorable little Abby taking her daddy's earbuds and put him in her mouth. You can corrupt that earbud, okay? You can corrupt your wiring, but you can't make it yourself. And see, that's why, that's why Candace Owens is now your God. She's your beacon of truth. She's your God. See, Darwin needed the same thing. And so his God is this early geologist. Now, Darwin's going to repeat this pattern later on of recognizing that someone will always rule and something will always be worshiped in his next work, which we'll get to here later in this conversation. All right? In fact, now, the author of this, of this geology book, he died in 1875. Darwin wrote in his own journal, quote, almost everything I have ever done, I owed to him, end quote. So he needs a new authority figure because someone will always rule and something must always be worshiped. Now, slowly but surely, while studying nature on this voyage, Darwin began to doubt the Genesis creation story and later said that it was at this time therefore he doubted the Old Testament was as true as, quote, any beliefs of the barbarian, end quote. That's a quote. Once Darwin renounced the Old Testament, it didn't take him much longer to renounce the New Testament as well. Now he no longer believes in miracles. Quote from Darwin. I came to disbelieve Christianity as divine revelation. And then there's this quote or the second half of the quote. I can hardly see how anyone ought to wish Christianity to be true. What do we call it these days when someone bases truth or what they think is true off of what they want the truth to be?

[Aaron McIntyre]

We call that narrative transgenderism.

[Steve Dace]

Well, that's a narrative, yes. When pressed further one day on why he thought no one ought to want Christianity to be true, Darwin replied thusly, and I for if Christianity is true, many of my loved ones will be everlastingly punished. And this is a damnable doctrine to Me, end quote. In other words, he just created his own religion, his own worldview, Just didn't like the demands that God made. So just made his own God and his own demands. Now here's the thing. When you make your own God, you're going to need to come up with your own ethical standards. Right? I mean, because again we can't run away from it.

[Aaron McIntyre]

Yes.

[Steve Dace]

Someone will always rule and something will always be worshiped. Right. So something's going to have to sit in that vacant seat. Something's going to have to sit on that throne.

[Aaron McIntyre]

Right. Even if you don't think so right away. CS Lewis proved this in mere Christianity. Somebody is a nihilist. I don't believe in rules or anything like that. Well, the minute somebody tries to trip you on the suddenly you'll take umbrage. That was wrong. Oh really? Suddenly you have morality now. You will create it sooner or later.

[Steve Dace]

Correct? Now some of you may have heard that Darwin begged for divine forgiveness on his deathbed. I don't know that for sure. But what we do know however is his surviving family members, they vehemently denied those stories at the time. So, so here's some important points to understand. Steve, why aren't you getting into the scientific claims of Darwinism? Well, I'll tell you why, number one, because a lot of scientists don't even believe them today. That's number one. Just as a lot of that, those kind of proto nascent, you know, versions of geology that so influenced Darwin, scientists today don't claim as verifiable fact.

[Aaron McIntyre]

I think the dirty little secret is that even back in the day when this was Darwin and Dawkins and it's, you know, it was, this was everywhere about 20 years ago. He's. A lot of them believed it but didn't really believe it all the way. But they loved that it bashed Christians. Correct. That's all that mattered.

[Steve Dace]

Correct. The last few decades, cosmology, astrophysics, these kinds of scientists, sciences that have developed quite, and developed all the more that now point out to origins of the universe, that the universe isn't a constant, that it has a beginning and therefore an end. What? You know the fossil record in the Cambrian explosion, folks, there really aren't a lot of high end scientists anymore in the west that hold to the original Darwinian view. There, there just really are. It's not really argued that much at all anymore. That's why I'm only going, I'm only going to attack it from a worldview perspective because of the worldview that it inspired. Now some of you may wonder why doesn't the Bible address these specific challenges to Darwin to some degree? Well, number one, the Bible is not primarily a science book. Now there are practical things that, that science has then reinforced later like the, the practical results of following a lot of the dietary laws can be good for your health even to this day and age. Okay, but the Bible is not primarily a science book. You're not going to learn how to do open heart surgery through the Bible. Okay. Number two, materialism and secularism were virtually non existent at the time the Scriptures are being written. And since we're talking about from Moses writing the Pentateuch in roughly what, 16, 1400 BC somewhere in there. Okay, well into now. You know, Paul, if you accept the late, as most modern scholars do now, the late authorship of Revelation to be around 90 AD at the end of John's life, if you accept that, then now we're really talking about over the course of, we are approaching 2500 years that now this book has been written. Right, yeah. All right, so. Or over the course of, I'm sorry, 1500 years. So 1490 is roughly 1500. So we're talking a millennia and a half from the time Moses is writing the Pentateuch to, if you believe in a late scholar, late authorship of the book of Revelation From John, roughly 1500 years and an assortment of authors. And you're talking about an era of human society where secularism and materialism just were non existent as thoughts. The foreign gods, the demons that they worshiped were fused, interwoven with daily life. I mean, Roman emperors were calling themselves the Egyptian pharaohs were calling themselves sons of God even before Moses showed up with the plagues. So this idea that there was some like imaginary neutral realm where the supernatural or the divine, remember we went through dualism. Right. So the, the dualism gives you sort of a demonic, kind of a demonic inversion of closing the chasm between the supernatural and the natural. It takes the idea that the reason that chasm is there is because of our sin. And therefore Christ leaves the supernatural realm into the natural world to bring to, to now give us a bridge back to the supernatural place that we were made and come from again. Right. The demonic version of that is just to say that the barrier never existed and they're all we and they're constantly one. So there were no neutral spaces. This didn't exist all throughout any of biblical history at all. Even going back to the period of time that Moses writes about in the Pentateuch that goes back over a thousand years before he lived. Like when Abraham and those. And the, and the, and the patriarchs. There's no secular realm, there's no materialistic realm. No one would have even considered within the ancient world, pagan or Semite, that such a thing existed. And in fact, it largely has never existed within Western tradition until Darwin. Which means now we're going to need a more new moral Ethan. And I'm going to get to that here in a moment.

[Joshua Carr]

The Steve Day Show.

[Steve Dace]

So, again, why don't we see the Bible more directly, address the challenges of Darwinism? Well, number one, the Bible is not primarily a science book, and number two, it is, it is, it is being written and the things being written about are being conducted within an era in which there was mass syncretism between the divine and the material, and everything could be a God, everything could be worshiped, and it's, it's dealing with the ramifications of that. So, Steve, does that mean, therefore, that the Bible is not equipped to tackle Darwinism? Oh, no. And as you're going to see in a minute, all Darwinism did was just. It didn't give us a material world. Oh, no, no, no, it didn't. It just gave us the pagan world again. And I'm going to, I'm going to prove it to you here in just a few minutes after we talk about our friends over at Jevotee. Now, listen, your DNA is yours, period. And you know what's wild, though? 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So we are all distinct in our own way. And that's why this information could be very beneficial to you from a health perspective. So it's never shared. It's yours, period. All right, so go to gojevity.com gojevity G E V I T I G E V I T I gojevity.com DACE you'll get 20% off with the code DACE. 20 off with the code [e-mail] DACE check out their amazing line of supplements as well. I supplemented out all of my old supplements now and I'm using the the ones that they planned for me because I've just seen such great results the last few months and I love how I feel. So these are the supplements I'm using now. Go jevity.com/dace code days for 20% off. All right, so someone will always rule. Something must always be worshiped. So 1859, Darwin writes the Origin of Species. And I would argue this is now the second most influential date in Western history. As we know it, setting the stage for the variation of the west that we live in. The two most important dates are 1517, when Martin Luther put his 95 theses on the bulletin board of Wittenberg, and then 1859 when Darwin wrote Origin of Species. Those two dates are benchmarks and setting the tone for much of the world as you know it today. Many of the ideas that came out of the Reformation were what were used by those who were what was used and inspired by those who founded founded America. Many of the ideas that came out of 1859 is what has been used and inspired by those who are trying to undo America. Here's the thing, though. How often have you ever heard the subtitle of Darwin's book referred to. Here's a refresher course. Here is the subtitle to Darwin's book that almost never gets mentioned today and retconned. And when I remind you of what it is, you're going to probably realize why. Darwin's subtitle was the preservation of favored races in the Struggle for Life. You guys kind of understand why maybe they had to retcon that one. Oh yeah, yeah. Now we always say that evil accuses good of always doing what it's doing. Evil will always project on the good what it's doing. So we've all been called racist for what we believe all these years, right? Yeah. There. The subtitle of their bible is the preservation of favored races and the struggle for life. But Stevie was, he was just talking about natural species and natural selection. Yeah, he wasn't. See after about a Decade. Darwin realized, you know, huh, if we're going to supplant the Bible as the fountainhead of how we're going to do this thing called Western civilization, right, We've got to have order, right? We can't, we can't just have chaos. Darwin himself would have probably agreed with me that someone must always rule and something must always be worshiped. I mean, if we're going to destabilize. So you're not really, as Aaron pointed out last hour, if you're a, if you're a candy cultist, you're not really skeptical of everything. You're really skeptical of everything except what she tells you. Just formed your own movement, your own religion. You can't run from it, dread it, run from it. Worldview arrives just the same. Someone must always rule to something, must always be worshiped. That will never change. For as long as we are an upright species on this planet, we cannot run from it at all. So after doing his duty of writing the book that would destabilize the West, Darwin wrote another book trying to re stabilize the West. See, everything that we inherited in the west and as Americans was all done very purposefully. None of it was expected to just happen organically or spontaneously. It was all undone very purposefully. It will all have to be redone very purposefully. It won't just happen. It won't. We're gonna have to make it happen by the grace of God. One of the creeds of the revelation of the revolution. Fight like it's up to us, pray like it's up to him.

[Aaron McIntyre]

Are you saying Christians are basically acting like scientists who believe in Darwinism? Just blind chance it's just gonna happen. Is this what you're saying?

[Steve Dace]

Yes. Yes.

[Aaron McIntyre]

So we've been totally worked over is what you're saying?

[Steve Dace]

Yes.

[Aaron McIntyre]

Correct.

[Steve Dace]

So in 1871, Darwin wrote a new book called the Descent of Man. Because, see, Darwin wasn't just writing a science book. Maybe in 1859 when he published Origin of Species, give him the benefit of the doubt. Maybe that's all he thought he was doing, was just scientific inquiry. But after the, after time goes by and he is seeing more and more of what he wrote now, enter into academia, begin more and more to influence worldviews throughout the West. Do you know what became very, you know, I said a few minutes ago, before the break, Darwin didn't really give us a world of materialism. He just took us back to the old paganism, what surged in the west. One generation, or should I say resurged in the west, one generation after Darwin, the next generation. Spiritism, occultism, seances were everywhere. All he did was take it back, take us back to the old paganism. That's all that he did. That's all that he did. Because that's all that he can do. Because, see, you can decide all you want that there isn't a God, but since he's God, you don't get to decide. No, all you're going to decide is how big of a fool you are for believing otherwise. So Darwin understood. Now, after a full decade goes by, he's got to fill in some gaps. And that's what the Descent of Man does. This is the book now where Darwin moves on from mere naturalistic scientific exploration to now apply his new worldview to every aspect of human existence. Everything from sexuality that's addressed in the book. A relatively new science at the time known as psychology, ethics, morals, even philosophy. Darwin came to preach. They always come to preach. Tucker was never just asking questions about Israel. What did I keep saying last year when this all began? Ask him what he wants to do instead. Now we know, right? Here's what he wants to do instead. Assalamu alaikum and honor the supreme Ayatollah Khomeini. That's what he wants to do instead. Wants to realign, redirect Christianity away from its Jewish roots and align it instead with Islam against Judaism. That's what he wants to do. He's made it pretty clear. They always come to preach, folks. They always do. They're never just asking questions. They always come to preach. Candace was always going to come to preach. They always do. And so did Darwin. What we call today now Social Marxism, but its forerunner was Social Darwinism. This is now born. Here's some quotes from Darwin's Descent of Man. Couple of my favorites. Darwin himself quote, at some future period, not very distant as measured by centuries, the civilized races of man will almost certainly exterminate and replace the savage races throughout the world. Any examples of that? Have we seen anything like that recently in this last century? Have you seen any societies emerge where we are clearly the superior and you are the other? How did you feel, by the way, if you refused to take. Since, you know, we just had the. The Fauci hearing yesterday. How did you feel if you didn't take that. That poison poke? Were you respected? Were you often told? I mean, I don't understand why you don't want to do what you do, but I respect your agency. Is that. Is that how we were treated for not Taking that, it was not genetic ceremony. We know. We were told. We were. We were dehumanized. Where's that tactic come from? Right here. See, they're the civilized ones. They're the smart ones. They're the experts. Here's another one of my faves. Quote. We must therefore bear the undoubtedly bad effects of the weak surviving and propagating their kind who are the weak. Every time somebody says something like this, it's never people like them. It's always people like you. But there appears to be at least one check in steady action, namely that the weaker and inferior members of society do not marry so freely as the sound. And this check might be indefinitely increased by the weak in body or mind refraining from marriage, though this is more to be hoped for than expected. And, quote, this sounds an awful lot like the struggle for survival of favored races, does it not, gentlemen?

[Aaron McIntyre]

Yes.

[Steve Dace]

And now we have the prophetess of Darwinism herself, Margaret Sanger, the founder of Planned Parenthood. There's no such thing as Planned Parenthood. Margaret Sanger calling the undesirable members of society according to her human weeds. For example, Nazism, a master race, Soviet communism. From each according to his abilities, for each according to his needs. There's none of this without Darwin. He is without question the single most influential figure of the last century and a half. Even though he died over a decade before the 20th century began, that century was Darwin's century. He routed Christianity in the 20th century. Routed it. And Christianity was so on the defensive, it deflected and deferred to Darwin. This is why I compare 1517 and 1859 in the West. Darwin is to the unbelieving world what Martin Luther was to the church. Once Luther took his writings and Bible translations to Gutenberg Printing Press, the latch on Pandora's box was essentially opened, and the Reformation went from a German event to a global one. Similarly, Darwin's work gave those who didn't want to live under God's rule or God's law, something they had lacked up until now, a competing worldview that at least could be intellectually comparable to Christianity if not considered superior to it, provided you bullied enough people. And that's where we are today. Darwin so routed Christianity in the last century that the church and the believers in the pews began adopting his talking points and his philosophical premises, even to the point of incorporating Darwinism into our sermons and daily lives. And I'm going to talk about that next week when we get into utilitarianism. That's the. That's the moral ethic that Darwinism created. But let's stop there, gentlemen, and discuss what we have discussed so far today.

[Aaron McIntyre]

If Darwin was just bleak science, the thing about it is transgenderism would not be anointed by the same crowd now

[Steve Dace]

because this does nothing to perpetuate the species.

[Aaron McIntyre]

Yes, yes. It's obviously weak. It's obviously broken. So if it was just fundamentally science, but it never was correct, it was always spiritual correct. Which is why as soon as it took away its spiritual enemy. Now, paganism through transgenders.

[Steve Dace]

Correct. That's why this is vitally important. Why do you have queers for Palestine when you can't be a queer in Palestine? Before you had that, you had Darwinist for homosexuality. If you're a true Darwinist, why are you promoting a sexual ethic that doesn't perpetuate? The species would seem to be at odds. Right. Just like queers for Palestine would seem to be at odds with queers in Palestine.

[Aaron McIntyre]

Yes.

[Steve Dace]

Wrong. It's a symbiotic world view designed to deconstruct Christianity. That's why it's not. It's not hypocrisy, Aaron. It's hierarchy. And they're always at the top.

Yes. And I was going to go in a similar. Similar place and forgive me if you mentioned this and I. And I mentioned it, but the parallel lines, one directly from Darwinism and the other from Darwinism to the paganism that you did mention, one line, you can trace it directly to the sexual revolution. The other line, you can trace it to paganism, but they're both pointing towards the sexual revolution. The paganism gets rid of the bounds, the bands of Christianity, of morality, of what you can do, what God says you can and cannot do with your body. And the other part, the line coming directly from Darwinism to the sexual revolution is you and me, baby. Ain't nothing but mammals. So let's do it like they do on the Discovery Channel.

Right?

That's basically what we're seeing here. Except. Except, as Todd kind of pointed out there, in a lot of ways we've taken this beyond animals. As I've always said, transgenderism is not a perversion of reality, as you see in some species, a perversion of, hey, we're gonna hump. Two dudes are gonna hump each other. You see that in some species, because they're animals, we're gonna reject reality. I'm not aware. Maybe there's some, I don't know, bottom feeder on the bottom of the ocean down in the Marianas Trench that maybe chews off its own genitals or whatever. Maybe there is some animal out there I'm not aware of, one that does what we are doing to some of the most. Some of the most vulnerable, but certainly some who have just decided this and just completely taken this mental illness, this demonic person perversion, this demonic rejection of reality known as transgenderism. This all has its roots in Darwinism, one way or another.

Right on. Right on. That'll do it for today's show. Back at it Again, noon to 2 tomorrow, right after Glenn Beck, right here on Blaze TV. Until then, go hard. Romans 8:28.