For ONCE: Can the Pope PLEASE Do Better? | Guest: Rep. Chip Roy | 5/14/26

Summary

Steve Deace Show | "For ONCE: Can the Pope PLEASE Do Better?"
Guest: Rep. Chip Roy | May 14, 2026

---

Episode Overview

This episode of the Steve Deace Show, hosted by Steve Deace with regular co-hosts Todd Erzin and Aaron McIntyre, delivers its daily "principled conservatism with a snarky twist." The major theme is deep frustration with institutional weakness—most pointedly targeting the Vatican's recent diplomatic moves and perceived moral softness, rising immigration threats from Islamic nations, and the cultural decay visible in American society. Special guest Rep. Chip Roy joins to discuss his "No Sharia Caucus" and the broad issue set of Islamic immigration and assimilation.

---

Key Segments & Discussion Highlights

[00:01–02:34] International & Domestic News Recap

• President Trump honored in Beijing for the US–China summit: Some agreements—most notably, on Iran and Taiwan. Secretary of State Marco Rubio comments on Chinese aims for Taiwan to "willingly" join the PRC, warning reunification by force would have global repercussions.
  • Quote, Marco Rubio [00:25]: "We think it would be a terrible mistake to force that through force or anything of that nature. There would be repercussions for that globally, not just from the United States."
• Vatican bestows the Order of Pius on Iranian ambassador; U.S. officials and the Vatican insist this is an automatic, routine honor for long-serving ambassadors—even from regimes with bleak human rights records. Steve finds the timing and optics "ridiculously poor."
• VP J.D. Vance and Medicaid chief Mehmet Oz tout anti-fraud crackdowns, especially targeting California's alleged inaction on rooting out healthcare fraudsters.
  • Quote, Mehmet Oz [02:18]: "At least 780 are not even trying to claim they're not fraudulent... It's just completely insane."

[03:01–05:29] Cultural/Social Decay in America

• Features intense clips: Billboard Chris facing hostility on the streets for his opposition to pediatric gender transitions and a chilling police interrogation of a young man (Colin Bailey) who murdered his parents, blaming his mother's actions around his scheduled sex-change surgery.
  • Quote, Colin Bailey [04:03]: "She was a target because you betrayed me."
  • Editorial Commentator [05:29]: "Transgenderism is terrorism and that's what happened while we were away."

[05:36–13:24] Response: Ban "Transgenderism" and the Consequences of Playing God

• Todd and Steve argue forcefully for criminalizing all forms of transgender medicine, seeing it as "tinkering with the cosmic wiring" of human nature—dangerous to the point of inviting societal destruction.
  • Todd Erzin [08:26]: "Every time the story comes up, I'm just gonna keep repeating it. This has to be criminalized cradle to grave…we weren't meant to tinker with that."
  • Extended metaphysical argument about the dangers of medical hubris and the impossibility of society bearing the consequences.

[13:28–18:50] Vatican/Iranian Ambassador Controversy

• Steve recaps the Vatican’s defense of its recent Iranian honor as mere bureaucratic process. He finds this explanation both believable and damning, seeing it as an example of institutional rot (“everything is the same…no distinctions”).
  • Steve [14:09]: "I think it would be giving this Pope too much credit to put him in the position of being some kind of subversive sleeper cell for Islam…this fits the absolute simp hippie…nothing prophetic at all."
  • Aaron McIntyre [16:52]: "Dare I say lukewarm?"

[18:50–21:57] The Proper Role of Christian Leadership

• Steve laments the comparison between the bold Christian leadership of the past—like the Pope who initiated prayer and led the defense of the West against the Ottoman Empire—to the current "participation award" culture.
  • Steve [21:05]: "We now have Popes who just line up. It doesn't matter how heinous the regime is. It doesn't matter how they've treated their citizens…everybody just gets the same accommodation, no distinctions…"

[22:01–25:08] Catholicism, Courage, and Cultural Decline

• Steve and team call for stronger spiritual leadership, referencing Fulton Sheen and contrasting the heroic stand of a lone activist (Billboard Chris) to the perceived comfort-seeking of modern institutional Christianity.
  • Quote, Aaron McIntyre [22:13]: "If I were not Catholic and were looking for the true church…I'd look for the one church which did not get along well with the world. In other words, I would look for the church which the world hated."

[25:08–29:58] CIA Raid on Tulsi Gabbard—Disinformation & Distrust

• A viral story about the CIA raiding DNI Tulsi Gabbard’s office over MK Ultra/JFK files is dissected—team debates whether it’s true, a convenient leak test, or just panic-induced rumor.
  • Steve [28:05]: "Is it entirely possible that this story is not true? Yes…Is it entirely possible this story is true? Yeah…"

---

[31:32–45:52] Featured Interview: Rep. Chip Roy—The ‘No Sharia’ Caucus and Islamic Immigration Threats

Topic: Is the threat of Sharia/Islamic immigration real or a “fear tactic”?

• Chip Roy explains the real, organized efforts of the Muslim Brotherhood and its affiliates to build influence in the United States: “They are taught to wage jihad against the West. It is not made up. It’s her own words.” [32:06]
• Emphasizes staggering numbers: 5.5 million immigrants from majority-Muslim countries since 9/11.
  • Quote, Chip Roy [34:31]: "Let’s add in family members…now you double it, what size state are we talking about?…It’s purposeful and it’s real."
• Argues Islam—not just legalistic Sharia—is fundamentally incompatible with Western civilization. Proposes a bill to denaturalize those who push Islamism, Communism, or Marxism in America.
  • Quote, Roy [35:35]: "It is Islam that is the inconsistent element here with our Western values. And we have to acknowledge it."
• Details on U.S. legal frameworks and the failure of both illegal and legal immigration safeguards: special visas, chain migration, and “kinder/gentler” Bush-era policies have let radicalization flourish.
• Addresses lack of GOP support (one-third of Republican House caucus), blaming fear of being labeled “bigoted” or unwelcoming.
  • Steve [44:13]: "Almost always that's someone who would never in a nanosecond consider voting for any of us, so why do we care?"
• Fast, data-driven summary of why concern about “losing Muslim votes” is only possible if there is in fact a large concentrated Muslim voting bloc—which would prove Roy’s point.

---

[45:58–47:23] Debrief: Islam and Western Values

• Hosts reinforce that Christianity and Islam are not comparable “conservative” systems: Islam is perpetually incompatible with Western civilization’s Christian foundations.

---

[59:01–78:08] Theology Thursday: The State of Women in America

Framing:

The show usually targets male headship/leadership as a core theme, but today’s “prime directive” is to focus directly on the cultural and theological trajectory of American women, particularly young women.

• Manosphere commentary explored, contrasting trends in female sexual behavior (“harem culture,” OnlyFans) with harsh biblical warnings about wanton women (Proverbs). Hosts acknowledge these biblical passages—but insist the Bible is not uniquely fixated on female depravity, nor does it excuse male failures.
  • Quote, Todd Erzin [74:42]: "For the unbeliever out there or the frustrated young man out there…what is the distinction between what is said in this post and what both Solomon and…King Lemuel warn about throughout the Book of Proverbs, which is the Bible’s book of wisdom?"
• Extended analysis of both responsibility and causality: Women like Shannon Elizabeth use their sexuality for profit, but only because there is massive demand from men. Men, and the broader culture, have enabled this shift.
  • Steve [87:49]: "The culture was better and the men were better. That's why."
  • Aaron McIntyre [89:42]: "Is it the supply or the demand? …Yes is the answer."
• Hosts advise young men: be honest about passivity versus action, "me time" versus "we time." Engage in church life, focus on being marriageable, but also be content in singleness unless God provides otherwise.
  • Aaron McIntyre [94:45]: "Are you okay if that's the plan that God has for you? Are you okay with that? …because you're probably going to get married. But make your peace with it if not."

---

Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• Steve Deace [14:09]: "You're giving him [the Pope] too much credit. I entirely believe this explanation. This lines up. I mean, this connects every single dot. I'm literally just a fool for the spirit of the age."
• Aaron McIntyre [22:01]: "Just today, if I were not Catholic and were looking for the true church in the world today, I would look for the one church which did not get along well with the world."
• Rep. Chip Roy [35:35]: "Islam is incompatible with western civilization."
• Steve Deace [21:05]: "We now have Popes who just line up. It doesn't matter how heinous the regime is…everybody just gets the same accommodation, no distinctions…"
• Todd Erzin [95:13]: "What haunts you? What is God not big enough to overcome?"

---

Timestamps for Important Segments

• 00:01–02:34: News roundup: US–China summit, Vatican-Iran scandal, Medicaid fraud
• 03:01–05:29: Cultural decline: Billboard Chris anti-gender activism, "trans" murder confession
• 05:36–13:24: Transgenderism/criminalization, metaphysics & societal peril
• 13:28–18:50: Vatican/Iran ambassador—automatic honor or systemic rot?
• 18:50–21:57: Leadership deficit: contrasting past and present Christian courage
• 22:01–25:08: The role of the Church in adversity; Billboard Chris/Batman analogy
• 25:08–29:58: CIA raid rumors; distrust and conspiracy
• 31:32–45:52: Interview with Rep. Chip Roy—Islamic immigration, "No Sharia" Caucus
• 59:01–78:08: Theology Thursday: The state of American women, manosphere/depravity debate, advice to young men

---

Tone & Style

• Direct, urgent, sometimes dark or snarky
• Thick with theological, political, and social critique
• Heavy on scripture, historical reference, and conservative cultural analysis
• Equal parts lament, challenge, and rallying cry to "do better"

---

Summary Takeaway

Steve Deace and his team, joined by Rep. Chip Roy, offer an unvarnished critique of modern Christian, social, and national weakness. They frame American (and Western) decline as a result of institutional softness, moral confusion (especially on gender and immigration), and loss of biblical principles—a narrative meant to stir their conservative Christian audience to sharper awareness, rejection of passivity, and personal/institutional repentance and action.

Transcript

[Steve Day]

It's the Steve Day show, and here's what happened while we were away. Brought to you by deals President Trump was lavishly honored during the first day of the US China summit in Beijing. There are a number of deals, either reported or rumored, but the White House says the two sides agreed on the issue of Iran not having nuclear weapons and that they can't toll the Strait of Hormuz on the issue of Taiwan. Secretary of State Marco Rubio, sanctioned by China but on the trip, says, I

[Marco Rubio]

think China's preference is probably to have Taiwan willingly voluntarily join them. In a perfect world, what they would want is or a referendum in Taiwan that agrees to fold in. I think that's what they would prefer. Ultimately. It's featured prominently in President Xi's mandate in the time he's been in office. He's made clear that what they call reunification, that's what they call it, is something that has to happen at some point. We think it would be a terrible mistake to force that through force or anything of that nature. There would be repercussions for that globally, not just from the United States, and we kind of leave it there.

[Steve Day]

The Vatican seems to be doing a bit of damage control after news circulated widely that Iranian Ambassador Mohammed Hossein Mokhtary received the Order of Pius, one of the Vatican's highest diplomatic distinctions. While that news is true, and it happened in recent days, the US Embassy at the Holy See says the honor is basically automatic for any ambassador serving in their post at the Vatican for more than two and a half years, and scores of American ambassadors have received the honor as well. The Vatican also claims a photograph of Pope Leo and the Iranian ambassador is misleading. It's unclear if that photograph is real at all. Still unclear why the Vatican believes it has to give diplomats from murderous regimes any sort of reward. Regardless, the timing of this story is ridiculously poor. At home, Vice President J.D. vance's crusade against fraud rolls on. Vance announced that the Trump administration is withholding $1.3 billion in Medicaid payments to California and is threatening to suspend federal funding to all states if they don't aggressively prosecute fraud in their Medicaid programs. In a press conference with Medicaid chief Mehmet Oz, Vance says states like California aren't taking fraud seriously enough.

[Todd Erzin]

So, Dr. Oz, I want to make

[Mehmet Oz]

sure I understand this well. So you're saying that we kicked off 800 fraudulent health care providers off of the Medicare system and not a single one of them called the government and said, hey, you made a mistake.

[Todd Erzin]

We've had a handful of calls. We're not sure they're legitimate yet, but it's less than 20 out of 800 and we're auditing them.

[Mehmet Oz]

Unbelievable. So. So at least 780 are not even trying to claim that they're not fraudulent. And again, those are businesses that we were giving hundreds of millions, in some cases billions of dollars to not to provide services, but to make a fraudster rich. It's just completely insane.

[Steve Day]

A new generic ballot poll by Signal Research shows Democrats with an over six point lead. That same poll has Independent swinging Democrat plus 23. A report widely circulated yesterday evening claimed the CIA had raided the office of Director of National Intelligence Tulsi Gabbard, CIA spokesperson says that's not true. And now the montage is about to get extremely dark. Let's check in. First on billboard, Chris doing his thing, preaching a message of gender sanity out on the streets.

[Billboard Chris]

Look at this little fool. I've been out here one minute and this guy just decided to spit at me. Hey, what's your name, bro?

[Todd Erzin]

My name is Donald Hortons.

[Billboard Chris]

Why do you want to sterilize kids, I wonder, huh? Oh, you think that's funny?

[Todd Erzin]

Think of a better line.

[Billboard Chris]

Oh, we got another one. Look at this guy.

[Todd Erzin]

Think of a better line than that Street.

[Billboard Chris]

No, seriously, why do you want to harm kids? What do you think is happening? Stopping puberty, giving them the wrong hormones. See a child abuser. Come on back. Here we go. A child abuser. I called you a child abuser because that's what you're promoting.

[Steve Day]

Meanwhile, in Utah, in completely unrelated news, chilling new interrogation video shows the moment when a young man who thinks he's a woman calmly confesses to executing his parents, blaming it on his mom, trying to thwart his scheduled meatball surgery. This is real footage of Colin Bailey's interrogation by police after he allegedly murdered his parents.

[Colin Bailey]

What led up to it was, well, I got a call from my social worker from the hospital, had one thing going on and she took that away from me. It's like, well, no, enough is enough. Taking somebody with me basically betrayed you. She was a target because you betrayed me.

[Todd Erzin]

And then dad obviously is part of your mom. They're 1, 1 and 1.

[Colin Bailey]

They're both involved in it and they both ended up.

[Todd Erzin]

Were you able to tell me what happened at your parents house?

[Colin Bailey]

I got parked there and pointed the gun. I was, you know, I told myself to throw away that part of me really, you know, that hesitant like always,

[Todd Erzin]

and

[Colin Bailey]

ran in the door and shot at her first a bunch of times trying to make it quick. Dad was instant. Go back upstairs and do one more round on dad just in case. Make sure he's dead. I do remember actually coming up just in case cuz she heard her like bleeding quite a bit, like choking. I'm a two. Shoot her again.

[Todd Erzin]

Okay. So do you remember if that was

[Aaron McIntyre]

that after you came back upstairs?

[Colin Bailey]

Yeah, it was dad first.

[Todd Erzin]

And then you heard your mom. She was still.

[Colin Bailey]

Still kind of light. Yeah, some noise. There's still kind of light. And then I shot her again.

[Unknown Commentator]

Transgenderism is terrorism and that's what happened while we were away.

[Todd Erzin]

All training madness should be banned, cradle to grave and criminalized with maximum prejudice. The the likely explanation for how the Iranian ambassador got this honor is actually the worst possible one in my view. We'll get into that. And then that Tulsi Gabbard raid story is wild, man, wild. We'll get into that too. All that and more here next on the Steve Day. All right, greetings and happy Thursday. Welcome to the Steve Day show here live and on demand on Blaze TV, radio and podcast with Todd Erzin and Aaron McIntyre. I'm Steve Dase. We're brought to you by our friends over at Beam Dream Powder. Would you pay A$25 for the best night's sleep you deserve? Because that's all it's going to cost you at Beam. Made with a powerful blend of all natural ingredients like reishi, magnesium, melatonin and more. All natural ingredients. And it's made by Americans for Americans who believe in the same American values as you. So do it all with dream. Get the best night's sleep that you need and deserve. You work hard, sleep even harder so you wake up the next day ready to be another productive, patriotic member of society. Shopbeam.com Steve use the code Steve. You'll get up to 40% off of beams Dream Powder. If you do that. Comes out to roughly about $1.25 a night. That's it. Up to 40% off with the code Steve at Shot Beam as in laser beam shot beam.com Steve Code Steve for up to 40% off. All right. Coming up on today's show, we'll be rejoined by my good friend Congressman Chip Roy. He has been hosting some Sharia caucus or the no Sharia caucus testimonies and meetings, committee meetings there in Congress. And this is not just an illegal immigration issue. This is a legal immigration issue. And one of the things that Chip pointed out yesterday and we'll get into this more with him at the bottom of the hour is we're seeing now a lot of people that are coming here and getting naturalized as citizens are now turning around and trying to kill us. So we'll get into that and more with Chip at the bottom of the hour. And then next hour, one of our prime directives on this show is reaching the men. We spend a lot of time on that. We focus quite a bit on that. But all three of us are also fathers of daughters. And so I think it's time to address the problem that we have with the women of this era as well. And we do that as best as we can theologically. Coming up here next hour on a Theology Thursday here on the show. All right, gentlemen, let's get into some of the things, though in Aaron's montage that video air that Aaron ended the montage with quick interjection.

[Unknown Commentator]

I said, allegedly this Colin guy has been sentenced already. Just want to make that quick.

[Todd Erzin]

Thank you for that correction. But I am just telling you right now, this has got to be. Every time the story comes up, I'm just going to keep repeating it. It's just the most obvious truth. This has to be criminalized, cradle to grave. It has to be criminalized, cradle to grave. It just can't happen. We're not equipped as a species to be tinkering with, with the cosmic wiring that comes down to the most innate form of your identity. Are you male or female? I mean, it's next to your humanity in and of itself. The first expression of your humanity is whether you're male or female. In which of those categories were you fearfully and wonderfully made? And they're the only two categories. There's not another category. And we, we just, we weren't meant, we weren't meant to tinker with that.

[Unknown Commentator]

Or Jon Hamm, maybe let them play

[Aaron McIntyre]

sports with our girls and go into their bathrooms.

[Todd Erzin]

That's the other option we are currently pursuing. Just throwing that out there many places around the country. Correct. But, but we aren't equipped as a species to be tinkering with such metaphysical forces. They are beyond our capability and understanding. We can't even recreate from nothing a plant. Okay? We have to clone all of God's work to, quote, create anything, let alone tinkering with a human being who has 2 trillion cells in his body. 2 trillion, 2 trillion cells. If you lined up, I think, if you lined up all the. You know what? Let me look it up before I say this, because I think what would. How many miles away, Doing some math here is Pluto. I don't know off the top of my head. The sun's 93 million miles away. Right. I believe.

[Aaron McIntyre]

Don't know.

[Todd Erzin]

All right, so because I said Pluto, because I'm not even sure right now, neither is science. By the way, is Pluto a planet again? Do you know this?

[Aaron McIntyre]

That I know?

[Unknown Commentator]

We don't.

[Todd Erzin]

It is not. It is not the night. It is not the ninth planet again. All right, so yeah, Pluto, when it's the ninth planet again, is 3.2 billion light years or billion miles away from Earth.

[Unknown Commentator]

Pluto is planet fluid.

[Todd Erzin]

I'm told it's a non binary planet indeed. So if you lined up every cell in the human body, it would take you. There's 2 trillion cells in each of our bodies. It would take you way beyond the limits of our own solar system. Stop and think about that. Just one human being. You want to ponder something, you want your mind to be blown, ponder this. If we took any of the 8 billion people on this planet right now and the 2 trillion cells that comprises their physiology and we just lined up those cells from planet Earth and we just put them in a single file line, you'd go way beyond the boundaries of our entire solar system. Think about that. That's one person. That's one. The idea that we should be in there tinkering with things we've been unable to duplicate, barely able to understand, and then doing so will not reap the whirlwind. As a species. Just as within our species, there are stages of life where you can no longer handle certain things that's too dangerous for both you and the people around you, Right?

[Aaron McIntyre]

Absolutely.

[Todd Erzin]

Why we don't have 4 year olds drive cars, why we have 84 year olds get their eyes checked every year before we let them keep driving. There are stages of life where to continue to allow you to access such capabilities and such technologies would endanger both you and others. And therefore we don't permit it. Correct?

[Aaron McIntyre]

Yes.

[Todd Erzin]

The same should apply here. As a species, we don't have what it takes to go this far under the hood. We don't. And all of the warning signs keep being displayed, whether it's Charlie's martyring, whether it's this story that Aaron just had, whether it's all the other stories of training madness that we've always had. I don't know how many more, how many more stop signs the laws of nature and nature's God has to put up before we finally say, someone says that just has to be banned, has to be criminalized. It simply can't happen as a Society. This is a level of malevolence that we are not capable of absorbing as we've done with other things that had even less of a trade off of malevolence than trainee madness has already provided us.

[Aaron McIntyre]

As it is, you know your Isaiah 1:5. Where would you yet be struck? That's what you're asking?

[Todd Erzin]

Yes. All right.

[Unknown Commentator]

Elsewhere.

[Todd Erzin]

Let's get to the Iranian ambassador. Honor. All right, so here's the thing. I want to make sure I'm getting it right here and removing my evangelical bias as much as I possibly can. Right. The official explanation is they just line up literally anybody that is permitted diplomatic, Diplomatic, Diplomatic connection with Vatican as a country. They're all, eventually, after they. After they do this with a certain amount of term of service, they're all essentially given this designation. That's the official explanation. Correct?

[Aaron McIntyre]

Correct. And totally believable.

[Todd Erzin]

Here's the thing. I do think it's totally believable. I agree with you. If this was some kind of malevolent, it would have been done way better than this. It would have been done way better than this. Or you might have. You might have never found out. I can. In fact. Worldview is destiny. No one rises above their own worldview. In some respects, I think it would be giving this Pope too much credit to put him in the position of being some kind of subversive sleeper cell for Islam. That would require a level of, frankly, conviction and shrewdness and cunning this guy hasn't demonstrated for three seconds in this job. You're giving him too much credit. I entirely believe this explanation. This lines up. I mean, this connects every single dot. I'm literally just a fool for the spirit of the age. I literally am just a product of my generation rather than I am a challenger to it. I am literally just here to buy the world a Coke. Everybody's just the same. Peace for peace sakes. Love for love's sakes. There's no cost to any of these things. It costs nothing. Why don't we just do these things? Stop war. Holy crap. We never thought of this. No one ever thought in 7,000 years of human history, no one ever thought we could just stop war. That's incredible. How did no one think of this before? Gentlemen, stop being mean. I can't believe no one said this out loud after all these years. I can't believe it. I think it fits perfectly. It fits. The absolute simp hippie. Nothing prophetic at all. Just we're a social institution, bureaucracy. I mean, I absolutely believe this. Official explanation. 10,000%. And to me, in many respects, it's even worse because you're. At least, you're. You're. Now you're saying that the rot is so systemic that we don't even draw distinctions. I mean, every. Everybody's the same. Every world belief system's the same. Every worldview is the same. They're all the same. They all deserve the exact same recognitions, the exact same accommodations. My word, I thought, you know what? I. 10,000% believe that explanation.

[Aaron McIntyre]

Dare I say lukewarm?

[Todd Erzin]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Aaron McIntyre]

See, that's not evangelical bias. I'm getting it to deacons accusing me of calumny because I'm talking about the imagined Pope and that I don't respect the office enough. No, news flash.

[Unknown Commentator]

Here's everybody who's Catholic who's just racing to the. This is just how the trains run on time. The one who has too low a standard standard of the church in the office is you. Mine is Jesus. All right, I want the Pope out there with Billboard Chris, slaying demons that'll preach. I don't want them just issuing participation awards. I've gotten to the point with this, whether it's on with the tribal stuff, Catholic or evangelical, when you just get territorial and defend, just to defend. I'm at.

[Aaron McIntyre]

I'm at the end of Shawshank Redemption, you know, death row, and I go

[Unknown Commentator]

in there and they say, yeah, I

[Aaron McIntyre]

guess you can go 90s. I don't care what you do. You go stamp your form, sonny. Because to be honest, I don't give

[Unknown Commentator]

a bleep that that your. Your defense for this is. It's just the assembly line. That's not the church. And if you come under me with dumbass clericalism saying, I shouldn't be saying anything like this because I'm not really an expert of anything. I'm called to follow Jesus to the end, just like you are. And this is soft and this is weak, and it absolutely has no understanding of what time it is. So, no, it's not evangelical bias. Actually, I'm giving you my Catholic bias in full. I'm just asking for Jesus. I don't know what the hell you're asking for.

[Todd Erzin]

I did a talk at the Pastor Summit for TP USA a few weeks ago. Title of my talk in front of about a thousand evangelical pastors around the country was be worthy of the bullet Charlie Kirk took for you. Charlie took a bullet because he was way more of a threat than the vast majority of men who occupy most evangelical pulpits today. And that's just a sad fact. I'm glad you invoked Bill, because we've talked about how Donald Trump taken shots. Today's pastors ought to be taking those shots. But he's deemed, with all of his various frustrations. All right. That we muse about still consistently, he's viewed by the system as way more of a threat to them than most of the men that currently occupy America's evangelical pulpits. And I'm glad, though, in the con. And I don't even know what tradition that Billboard Chris even comes from. I don't know. But I'm glad that because those videos are together, that you create, that you use that juxtaposition, because I often do it with Charlie in the evangelical church. But the juxtaposition of Billboard Chris out there. Yeah. On a man. One man, literally, against an entire zeitgeist. If you've ever met Chris or seen him, there's not like, loads of security or anything. He's also not a very small man. All right. And he's been ganged up on, beat up on, and everything else. One man out there up against an entire zeitgeist. Meanwhile, the official policy of the largest Christian church that's ever existed in the history of this planet is we just welcome all the. All the diplomats of all the nations as if they're just all the same, and they have all the belief systems and they're all doing the exact same things, and they. And, you know, it's just on seniority. You know what? You were fine here and you behaved well, you know, and if you do that for a little bit of time, we give you a nice little. A nice little award here. In the. In the decades immediately following the Reformation, the Pope of that era demanded all Catholics pray the rosary before he sent an army to go out and stop the last Muslim attempt to invade the west under the Ottoman Empire. The victory of that battle was considered to be such a miracle. We were Christians, were considered to be so outnumbered in this fight that that Pope was later canonized as a saint, because there was just no way in terms of just pure military achievement that the war could. That battle could have been won. It had to be a supernatural act of Christ and his Church. We're a long way down the rabbit hole here, Alice. We are. Toto is way, way, way away from Kansas now. We now have Popes who just line up. It doesn't matter how heinous the regime is. It doesn't matter how they've treated their citizens. Everybody just gets the same accommodation, no distinctions well, with one exception. We get called out, we get challenged, Our leaders do, for trying to do things like defend our borders and stuff, but like nobody else does. Yeah.

[Aaron McIntyre]

And just in case you don't think there's an alternative to the imagined Pope,

[Unknown Commentator]

just today, if I were not Catholic and were looking for the true church in the world today, I would look for the one church which did not get along well with the world. In other words, I would look for the church which the world hated. Fulton Sheen. Yeah, there's an alternative. And if you think about Aaron's montage billboard, Chris, we have a real life Batman, and we have a real life. And we have a real life Joker in that cell talking about killing his parents. And in the meantime, the Pope and all. You are wearing hockey pants.

[Todd Erzin]

That's. That'll. That's a homily right there. And it's just so casual. Yeah. Mom was still kind of twitching, so I realized I had to go up there and put another round in her. I called my therapist and stuff to see what they thought. You know, they were like, I'll take more hormones. You know, Cool. This isn't going to cut it. I don't even think I have time as an evangelical to debate my differences with Catholicism. I. I long for the moment that I think that such a time culturally exists. But this is the cultural moment right now where we need to be in boats on the way to storm beaches. That's what we need to be. And the men on those boats that first week in June, in 44, didn't turn around to see if the guy next to him was wearing a Star of David or a rosary or nothing at all. They understood the moment and the fight that they were in and didn't have time for that. That's not to say those conversations are not important. Is that what I said? No, I would argue that there's. They're eternally important, ultimately. But at a moment when. When someone invades your home and is. As they're assaulting your wife, you don't sit there and say, have you considered asking Jesus into your heart to forgive you of your sins? Jesus wants you to step in and beat that man before he beats and rapes your wife. That's what he wants you to do, to intercede, to love Christ as he loved the church. How did he show that love? He gave up his own body for you and for you to do the same for your wife in that. In that peril that she is in, not to sit here and pontificate esoterically on matters. That is not to say there is not a point to pontificate esoterically on matters. There's lots of those points. Much of the Bible is pontificating on esoteric matters and much of it is also directing or is directed at actual matters. The actual matter before us is our entire way of life is hanging by a string. We simply don't have time for this. I just need the Pope to be Catholic. I'll argue with him later. I just need the Pope to be Catholic. That's what I need. By the way, that Pope that defended the west against Muslims, he hated the Reformation, detested it. But am I living in that era where he could impose on my conscience as a Protestant?

[Aaron McIntyre]

No.

[Todd Erzin]

Am I living in an era where those though that wanted to invade the west that he defended us from would do so if given the chance?

[Aaron McIntyre]

Perhaps as much as ever.

[Todd Erzin]

Absolutely. So sound the shofar. Whether we're going to do it in Latin or in everyday vernacular, I don't care. But that's where we are. That's where we are. We don't have time for this foolishness. We don't. We're out of time. Speaking of foolishness, let's close with this. This is wild. So in the span of about what, 12 minutes last night, story breaks on Fox News. It was first put out there, I believe by Anna Paulina Luna. I think she mentioned it on one of the News Nation shows, but I think it just didn't quite gain the traction. If I'm getting any of this wrong, let me know. But I think Anna Paulina Luna mentioned that she had heard that this had happened and I think she had said this on one of the News Nation programs about late afternoon, early evening and depending on your time zone. But it didn't quite gain traction. I started seeing people posting about it on X right around dinner time. And then we had small group and came back home. And now Fox News has an alert with Jesse Waters confirming that this story is true. And so that of course made this thing go viral in an instant, only to about 30 minutes later. Have a spokesperson. I actually think it's. It's a spokesperson for DNA, dni, not CIA. Maybe I'm wrong.

[Unknown Commentator]

I saw both, actually, I saw both of them did.

[Todd Erzin]

Okay, so both sides then are now saying that it is not true that the CIA went in as Tulsi Gabbard was about to unveil more files in the JFK assassination. Go in and grab all the mj, MK Ultra files. Now, if you don't know What MK Ultra is, I believe for. Correct me if I'm wrong on that, I'm doing this from memory, but I want to believe this is where they were testing out LSD and psychedelics on the populace. Right. And one of the theories out there is this is how they created the assassins of the 60s, is they were. They were. They were testing out. And this is. This is known. It's. It's not a conspiracy theory that the CIA was doing this. This all came out in the. Is it the church meetings from the 70s that went back and looked at what went on in the intelligence community? I think it were the church committee meetings.

[Aaron McIntyre]

Sounds right.

[Todd Erzin]

And the MK Ultra thing was confirmed at the time. This is not just something, you know, on the black. This is not, you know, it's not the stuff of conspiracy theories. This conspiracy theory turned out to be a theory. It was true. All right? They were doing this. Now, how prevalent it was, how deep the rot went, we don't know. But they were testing psychedelics like LSD out on the populace. That's what they were doing. And so one of the thoughts is that they essentially created people like Sirhan Sirhan to become by tinkering with them, messing with them, and, you know, and putting these things into their. Into their. Into the faculties. Whether that's true or not, who knows? But here's the thing. Is it entirely possible that this story is not true? Yes.

[Aaron McIntyre]

All possibilities.

[Todd Erzin]

Is it entirely possible that this story is true? Yeah, it is. Is it entirely possible the Trump administration said, you two guys, we can't have this on Fox News, man. I mean, we. I mean, you figure this out quietly amongst yourselves, but both of you guys get out there right now and deny this before our base loses their minds. Is that also possibly true?

[Aaron McIntyre]

Yes.

[Todd Erzin]

Yeah.

[Aaron McIntyre]

Which is why I actually became any number of gifts when I saw that. In between the time that I saw the Jesse, I didn't see the original. And you're talking about. I saw the one on Jesse Waters. And before I could get to the point where I was taken down, I was like Homer Simpson's dad when he walks into the bar and puts his hat up and just walks in a circle and puts his hat back on and leaves again.

[Unknown Commentator]

I didn't know what to do. It like, I. I can't say anything.

[Todd Erzin]

I think we all were like, I don't know what to do with my hands.

[Unknown Commentator]

I walked away and I said, I'm

[Aaron McIntyre]

just hoping I dreamt this and will wake up in the morning.

[Unknown Commentator]

And I kind of did, because that's what you're saying. Who knows what's real on this?

[Todd Erzin]

I think it's entirely possible that this happened and the Trump administration, someone who's an adult at the higher level said this can't be on Fox News primetime. So once you guys get out there, deny it and then quietly we're going to figure out what the hell went on here. This can't happen.

[Unknown Commentator]

And if it's true. Does the CIA have. She's the, her official title is the head of the National Intelligence Agency. Right. Director of National Intelligence. Does she have the, does the CIA have the authority to just walk into the. It's not just like Department of Labor.

[Todd Erzin]

Yeah. Beg some questions here. Doesn't it?

[Unknown Commentator]

Yes.

[Todd Erzin]

I mean this is a hell of a thing just to kind of make up. I mean it's a hell of a thing just to throw out there and just to see who your leaker is. I mean I'd come up with something a little more benign if you wanted to find out who was leaking than something like that. Congressmanship. Roy's gonna join us in a moment.

[Congressman Chip Roy]

The steve day show.

[Todd Erzin]

All right. Back here on the Steve Day show powered by our friends over at Patriot Mobile. You know, as America's 250th year now more than ever we see as they're not necessarily putting the woke away. We see we continue to want and need to build that parallel economy. We've got to do it with great products and services. And that's where Patriot Mobile comes in. They are in the cutting edge of that parallel economy. Our family has been using them as our mobile phone provider for going on six years now and have never looked back, never regretted it. Outstanding customer service team. That's us based. That means you can understand them. And then also they let you switch to any of the networks within their main hub as often as you need to for free. If you're a member. Whatever's best for you. They will customize the plan for you and your family. Whatever's best for you. Maybe you're locked in with a communist company and you can't get out. They've got contract buyout programs that may get you out of that as well. So get started today with my promo code Steve and you'll get a free month of service to get started with the promo code [e-mail] Steve that's patriot mobile.com using the promo code Steve for a free month of service at patreonmobile.com Steve. All right. We welcome in my good friend, a member of Congress from the state of Texas, hopefully the future Attorney general from that state. Also one of the co founders of the Sharia Free Caucus in the House of Representatives as well. Congressman Chip Roy. Good to see you, brother. How are you?

[Congressman Chip Roy]

Good to see you, my friend. I'm doing great besides being in the swamp, but, you know, that's my job.

[Todd Erzin]

It is your job indeed. So let's talk about how real is, is this a talking point? Is this a fear factor? We had one of our governor candidates here in Iowa, Adam Stein, make a pledge, no Sharia in any of our state government, anything of that nature. And our media just kind of snickered. All right. I mean, you're talking 46, you know, right. Righties on some Reddit forum. Okay, how real is this, Chip? How real is it?

[Congressman Chip Roy]

Well, Steve, and I think you know this. I think you're setting up the question for the answer that you're aware of and that most of your listeners know. It's very real. Our Democrat colleagues like to dismiss it, as they did yesterday in the hearing that I held on this very topic in which I brought in Amy Mack, who's fantastic on this issue at the Rare foundation, and a young man in a high school in Wylie, Texas, who is unbelievably strong and courageous in taking on Jamie Raskin in the left, and then Ammon Blair with the Texas Public Policy Foundation. Those off because it was purposeful. And here's why I wanted to show that. Number one, we have had 5.5 million people imported into the United States from majority Muslim countries since 9 11. That's suicidal. It's stupid. Number two, the Muslim Brotherhood is driving the agenda. And all of the organizations that are basically affiliates of the Muslim Brotherhood, even if they don't want to admit it, they're driving the agenda in a concerted and organized plan. Amy Mech talked to that and talked about the extent to which it is funded and organized to drive very specific action items to get the population here to lay low, to then build out and create mosques, to then build out and create communities, to then build out and get Sharia compliant organizations and arbitration agreements to then build out and make sure you're getting elected to offices and local, local offices and communities and counties to then move to a higher level, basically infiltrate and defeat us from within. They are taught to wage jihad against the West. It is not made up. It's her own words. Amy testified to that yesterday. She's put out the videos of imams in Texas and throughout the country that are putting that language out there. And then the third component is this young man in the high school who was pointing out that it's having a direct impact on them. The principal had this day where they're recognizing, you know, Islam and where she wore, She's Anglo, but she wore a. I think she's Anglo, whatever, but she wore a hijab. And in solidarity with the, you know, Muslim population you already have in this epic city, you have mosques where there's communities in and around Dallas Fort Worth, where real estate agents will only sell the homes to Muslims. Like this is real. Just drive through the suburbs outside of Dallas Fort Worth. I think it's more real in Dallas Fort Worth than, for example, Des Moines, but it's real throughout the country and it's real in Texas.

[Todd Erzin]

When you talk about the population that we've imported from Muslim Islam, dominant country since 911 being a little more than 5 million. Let me put that in perspective for our audience. That that would be, that would be the 24th largest state in the union if it was just in, in one location. That would be more people than live in the following places. Alabama, Louisiana, Kentucky, Oregon, Oklahoma, Connecticut, Utah, Nevada, Iowa, Arkansas, Kansas, Mississippi, New Mexico, Idaho, Nebraska, West Virginia, Hawaii, New Hampshire, Maine, Montana, Rhode Island, Delaware, South Dakota, North Dakota, Alaska, Vermont and Wyoming. Chip.

[Congressman Chip Roy]

Well, Steve, now let's add in Muslims people adherent to Sharia who are from non majority Muslim countries. Now let's add in their family members. Now let's add in the children that they have created over those last 25 years at a higher rate than we are. I promise you that number is a much higher number. Maybe you double it then. What size state are we talking about then? Where do they rank? Look, this is purposeful and it's real.

[Todd Erzin]

That'd be a top 10 state is what you're talking about at that point.

[Congressman Chip Roy]

Yeah, correct. And when people say, well, Chip, what about the First Amendment? Well, I'm not telling people what they can believe or not believe nothing about. What I'm saying is that. What I'm saying is you can't advocate a political ideology, the stated objective of which for the vast majority of the people adherent to the religion is to undermine our civilization and destroy Western civilization. Charlie Kirk said it best when he said Islam is incompatible with Western civilization. I asked Amy on the record, did she believe it's incompatible with Western civilization. She said yes. I stated on the record that I think it's incompatible with Western civilization. And this is what I want to get at. We talk about Sharia and I talk about Sharia because it's legalistic and it's important to talk about how much Sharia is at odds with our values. But I want to be very clear in public, and I have been, that it is Islam that is the inconsistent element here with our Western values. And we have to acknowledge it. Because you can't win a war you don't acknowledge exists and one exists.

[Todd Erzin]

You have a right to believe what you want to believe. You don't necessarily have a right to believe it here. No one has a right. No one has a right to immigrate here. No one has a right to come here. There is no right to come to any place you want. We do have, we do have people who believe they have a right to go wherever they want, regardless of who owns that land. They're typically called thieves or invaders. So in this case, then one of the things you pointed out, and I shared this clip, a clip of what you said yesterday on my social at Steve Day show on X is every even if we were to address this in terms of illegal immigration, we have a legal immigration problem where this issue is concerned as well. Chip, give us the details on that.

[Congressman Chip Roy]

Well, we had testimony yesterday on the illegal portion and the numbers we saw coming across the border. And by illegal, I mean blatantly illegal or the bastardized form of legal that Biden was doing with the abuse of parole and asylum, which was in fact illegal, but he was giving them status. But in addition to that, whether it was through H1BS, whether it was through the SIV program with respect to Afghanis, after all of the conflicts and the wars in the Middle east, whether it's through diversity visas, which is, hey, we want to have people here who aren't from majority European countries and then chain migration that then stems from that, we have had a wide open door from the Bush era forward and this kinder and gentler approach to immigration and now we're reaping the so called rewards of that. If we think that what's happening in London and Paris is not happening right now on steroids, we're crazy. I think we will surpass how bad it is in the United Kingdom and France very quickly because people here will use the First Amendment in ways that as a sword that they're actually unable to do as easily in the UK or France. They're going to use our own property rights and sort of freedom to be able to go buy land and build worship places of worship and so forth against us. This is one of the things I've brought Up in my race for attorney general against my opponent, who filed a bill in the name of religious liberty last year. And in that bill actually specified not just churches and, you know, synagogues and so forth, but mosques and other religious organizations to be able to build housing communities in and around their religious centers. Now, I understand why some in the religious community would want to advocate for that, but when you do so and you put in mosques, you're greasing the skids for the epic cities of the world. So this is why I'm being critical of my opponent, because he's never been a lawyer in court, he's never had to run sophisticated litigation, and it matters. It matters that you're able to do that. So I think we need to have the smartest people around in our country focus like a laser on what I'm stating right now is by far our number one threat to our country's future, and that is the march of Islam into our communities.

[Todd Erzin]

Staying on the legal immigration side of things. You pointed out, now we've got naturalized citizens, and this is important because they're one of two things. For people that have been through a naturalization process to become a citizen, to then succumb to this level of radicalization that you pointed out with a couple examples yesterday, Chip. And that requires one of two things and maybe a little bit of both. That would either mean, A, we did a horrible job of vetting these people and what their true belief system was, or B, their belief they are able to come here and maybe be benign in their religious practice. But this, this element is so ingrained now within our own culture, you can get radicalized here at home. Neither one of those, frankly, are all that comforting in terms of scenarios.

[Congressman Chip Roy]

No, that's exactly right. This is why I introduced the Mamdani Act. I'm going to have to give a bonus to my staffers for coming up with the acronym for that bill. But it's a bill that builds off of existing law where we have a statute that says you cannot promote the Communist party, push propaganda in the United States, and then not expect to be rejected, deported, or even denaturalized. If you came here and then started spreading that propaganda, people say, chip, freedom of speech. Like, look, guys, we're talking about people that naturalized. We're talking about people that we invited to our country in goodwill. It's like you invite somebody to your home and then you let them live there for a while, and they're perfectly nice at first, and then all of a sudden they start doing crazy stuff. Well, you kind of want them to leave. And that's, by the way, what this Communist statute does. And the United States Supreme Court upheld our ability to denaturalize. For that, I've introduced legislation to add Marxism, to add additional elements of the Chinese Communist Party and Islamism, those that are spreading the Islamic takeover of our country and are doing so openly and without shame to wage jihad against the west and pushing Sharia law. These are all things inconsistent with our values, and we should be able to denaturalize people who are doing so.

[Todd Erzin]

How many members do you have in your caucus right now, Chip?

[Congressman Chip Roy]

You know, we had the high 60s as of a week or so ago. We're pushing 70. We might have cracked it, but somewhere around that, basically a third of the Republican conference and no Democrats.

[Todd Erzin]

What would be, how many Republicans have you talked to that have refused to do it? Last I saw, looking at my own state's delegation, we've got one of them running for governor, Randy Feenster. I saw that he was not in your, in your delegation. I'm curious if you talk to him, who have you talked to and what, what reasons would they give you why they would not join something like this?

[Congressman Chip Roy]

Well, I'll tell you the ones that I've talked to that I'm convinced to join and a couple that have been resistant. It's what you would expect. Steve, you can answer the question without me answering it for you. It's that they don't want to seem like they're hateful or bigoted or unwelcoming to people of other faiths. They don't want to seem closed door. They might succumb to what I think some of our Christian brothers and sisters will succumb to, which is, well, we've got to make sure that these individuals, they can be here in this country, and then we will win them over to Christ by spreading the gospel and carrying out our missional aspects of our faith. Well, look, I agree that we should be missional. I believe that we should be sharing the gospel with all of those that need to hear it, whether you're atheist, agnostic, Hindu, Muslim, whoever you want to try to talk to. But the fact is that's putting your head in the sand to the war being waged against us. The rape gangs in the United Kingdom didn't happen by accident. The rape gangs that are being driven predominantly by men from the Middle East. Let's just state the facts. Heavily Pakistani, by the way. And we've got that occurring. And there's 85 Sharia courts, give or take, in the United Kingdom running parallel to their civil jurisdictions because they've adopted an acceptance of arbitration agreements where you can make side contracts, ignoring the rights of young women or people that are not adherent to the faith or apostates or whatever. My point is just this is all real. And, you know, the reason people are like, oh, someone might say, I'm hateful. I can't say that.

[Todd Erzin]

And almost always that's someone who would never in a nanosecond ever consider voting for any of us. So why do we care?

[Congressman Chip Roy]

Well, this is the thing. And by the way, I saw a story yesterday where somebody said Republicans might lose votes in the Dallas Fort Worth area from Muslim communities because of their hardline stance on Muslims. Well, first of all, I think that's a canard. I think this is all sort of trumped up to create an environment where it's like, oh, we can woo the conservative Muslim community because there's some overlapping agreement on social values. I mean, this is kind of the stuff that I've heard Tucker trying to, like, spout out there about, well, who's more conservative? Us over here in our Christian countries where we have gay marriage or these communities over here. That's not the actual right question. Right. The right question is we should be living in freedom here according to our values and according to the rights given to us by God. We should be espousing our Christian values. We should be proud of our Judeo Christian principles that undermine our. Or underline. Sorry, underscore our Constitution and our values. And we should be critical of these Muslim countries that are carrying out Sharia law and want to wage jihad against us. And we should admit it, acknowledge it. It's not like it's new. It's been going on for 1500 years.

[Todd Erzin]

The irony is, the only reason there would be any concern about losing a critical mass of Muslim voters in the DFW era area is if you were right. And there is a critical mass of Muslim voters in the DFW area. Good to see you, Chip. Thank you, brother.

[Congressman Chip Roy]

Thanks, Steve. God bless you guys.

[Todd Erzin]

Appreciate you all. You bet, man. Anytime. Gentlemen, your thoughts, man.

[Aaron McIntyre]

There's Austin, Texas, named after Stephen F. Austin. There's Houston, Texas, after Sam Houston. One day, there better damn well be a city named Roy, because I did just relentlessly brings it over and over and over again on issues that are of existential importance while everybody else yawns, it can't be bothered. I'm just never not impressed by Chip Roy.

[Unknown Commentator]

Yes. And I just think it's along the lines of the last part of that conversation. The urge that you see from some how widespread it is to make like Islam because they happen to believe in certain intersections of social values. Like Chip was saying there. Never, ever, ever let that cross your mind as if these are two value neutral propositions.

[Steve Day]

Oh, Christianity and is.

[Unknown Commentator]

No, no, no.

[Steve Day]

We just had a theology Thursday.

[Unknown Commentator]

Go back, look it up a few weeks ago. Islam is always, has been, always will be incompatible with Western civilization. There is no overlap. There's no overlap to the extent that it is. It's coming from extremely antithetical premises in the Christian faith, which is what our country was founded upon. So don't let that ever cross your mind, ever.

[Todd Erzin]

Amen again. The only reason that you'd be flaunting Republicans could miss out on a critical mass of Muslim voters is if there were a critical mass of Muslim voters.

[Aaron McIntyre]

Emphasis on critical.

[Todd Erzin]

Yeah. Theology Thursday is next. What to do about the state of the women in America. We'll get to that here in a moment. All right, back here with hour two, live and on demand on Blaze TV, radio and podcast with Todd Erzin and Aaron McIntyre. I'm Steve Dase. Let us know what you think about what we think via the stevedase.com inbox by emailing the show [e-mail] that's D E A C E like us on Facebook, me, we and Gab. Follow me at steveday show on X Instagram and tick tock. Don't forget to subscribe to our YouTube channel. Be one of the few, the proud, the people whose subscriptions actually get counted on YouTube. Consider it like a personal challenge, right? As you get older, you get bored. You look for things to spice some stuff up and to keep you sharp and on your toes. Play around, you know, take five minutes each day, play around. See if YouTube will even count when you hit that subscribe button. Because I have a. I got a sneaking suspicion you're gonna maybe have to go back there a couple times. All right. You can also subscribe if you listen to the podcast version. Hit subscribe. Or if you're an Apple, itunes follow to make sure you don't miss an episode every single time we do one, leave us a five star review as tens of thousands of you have. We greatly appreciate each and every one of those as well. And we also appreciate how much you guys have have jumped in already. On behalf of my next book, the conclusion to my trilogy of books on America's Christian heritage for kids, why Independence Day, America is great because God is good. We're still 12 days away from when the book is released here on May 26th and we're already one of the top 20 best selling new releases in all children's books, one of the largest categories in of publishing in the country. And we're top 20 and new releases already on Amazon. It's incredible the reaction we've gotten and I think a lot of it has to do by the incredible preview Aaron put together. You can watch it again here.

[Steve Day]

Every fourth of July, we light up the sky, we wave our flags, we celebrate. But if your kids asked you why, could you tell them the real story? It's a story that starts 3,000 years before 1776. A story most people have never heard told. This a miracle in the desert, A miracle on Christmas night. Commandments carved in stone, a constitution written on paper. What's the connection? This 4th of July, give your family the story they've never been told. The one that explains everything.

[Todd Erzin]

That's right. America's 250th birthday is a story 3,000 years in the making. And we go into all of that history in this book. Why Independence Day? America is Great Because God is Good. You can complete the set now if you got why Thanksgiving and why Easter? This is the final chapter available for pre order right now at Amazon. Why Independence Day? America is Great Because God is good releasing on May 26th. And Todd has been doing a countdown to the release here with the top ten moments leading up to independence in America. I think we're on number four today.

[Unknown Commentator]

We are in 1765, King George III

[Aaron McIntyre]

and British Parliament tried the now famous

[Unknown Commentator]

taxation without representation on for size by issuing the Stamp act on colonial paper goods. Sure, we may have become a people that lay down while their kids get transgendered or happily take their 10th booster during COVID but tax their newspapers or their playing cards without their say so. And Virginia, not Loudoun County, Virginia of

[Aaron McIntyre]

today, but the Virginia of yesteryear.

[Unknown Commentator]

They get pretty damn cranky, particularly Patrick Henry, who had just been elected to the House of Burgesses at 29 years old, but was about to show he had zero rookie jitters. His first speech, first speech in front of his colleagues aggressively condemned the Stamp act, including an unmistakable, unmistakable shot across the King's bow. Caesar had his Brutus, Charles the First, his Cromwell and George III may profit by their example. Whoa nelly. Other delegates began to interrupt the speech with shouts of treason. But Patrick Henry only stepped on the

[Aaron McIntyre]

gas when he said, quote, if this be treason, make the most of it,

[Unknown Commentator]

a hero was born, and a resolution against the Stamp act was narrowly passed to set the standard across the colonies up north. The Sons of Liberty began in Boston

[Aaron McIntyre]

in that same year as a secretive

[Unknown Commentator]

organization known as the Loyal Nine and included other men who became legend, like

[Aaron McIntyre]

Samuel Adams and John Hancock.

[Unknown Commentator]

As the British government refused to bend, its activities became more and more radical as it went from organizing protests, boycotts, and public demonstrations to even tarring and feathering. The stakes were very high, but the hearts of men were prepared to match the moment. Here's Sam Adams. If ye love wealth better than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, go home from us in peace. We ask not your counsels or arms. Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you. May your chains set lightly upon you. And may posterity forget that ye were our countrymen.

[Aaron McIntyre]

And John Hancock.

[Unknown Commentator]

Some boast of being friends to government. I am a friend to righteous government, to a government founded upon the principles of reason and justice. But I glory in publicly avowing my

[Aaron McIntyre]

eternal enmity to tyranny.

[Unknown Commentator]

Sentiments like that would brew for five

[Aaron McIntyre]

years until the Boston Massacre drew first blood in 1770. And that's where we head tomorrow.

[Todd Erzin]

Two things to add some context to that moment. Number one, take comfort in the fact that even the men of that era had to be exhorted to get out of their own comfort, had to be exhorted to think beyond their own conveniences and the daily aspects of life that you think are ultimately so important. But when you're in the grave, no one ever actually goes ahead and puts on their tombstone, had a great crop or never missed a day of work. No one ever really does that right? So even the men of that era had to be exhorted thusly. So what that means is we're not any worse than the men of that era. We are more tempted than the men of that era. We have more convenience at our disposal than they did. We have more reasons to not fulfill our destinies than they did. But they had fundamentally. Fundamentally, maybe not. Certainly not in terms of volume, certainly not in terms of volume, but fundamentally, they had the same traps that we do today, and they had to overcome them as well. As I pointed out before, it wasn't just King George went off the rails, and the next day, a revolution started. This went on for years. For years. There was a back and forth of, are we really gonna do what? It's probably gonna really take to. To do something about this? So that's fundamental. To the human condition since Adam stood naked with his hands in his pockets, all right. As Eve was, Was. Was being deceived. It's in us. It's in our. It's in our brains. As Sons of Adam. We're. There is. There is a. There's a passivity, user achievement that was unlocked. And it constantly has to be. It has to be confronted. And notice the way they're talking to the men of that era. And it's similar to how we talk to the men sometimes on this show. And it's also very similar in high stress situations that the leaders of those situations will talk to the men that they're about to lead out into whatever the confrontation is, whether it's a literal battlefield or a football field or something very physical or imposing or challenging. So you do have to talk to men a certain way. You do. And you. And you do have to talk to them. In every era. In every era, we're not fundamentally worse than the men of the era before, right? We are. We're fundamentally more distracted and tempted by the volume of those distractions than they were before. So that's number one. Number two, the Sons of Liberty first organized a resistance around the Stamp act in New York City. New York City was the original capital of America. It's where George Washington took his first oath of office. And when we were on Salem in syndication, their corporate offices in New York were in the same building as the Heisman Trophy Trust. So I used to be able to go down there and take a look at that. And then the Heisman was just down there in display. That was pretty cool. But it was across the street from Trinity Cemetery where something like three dozen founding fathers are buried in that cemetery. What's New York most known for now? It's a green red revolution Mayor. Right. So that's a. That's a cautionary. So the first one, I think is encouraging. Hey, if the men of that era that we now all look back on as great heroes, that. That passed on this legacy, now that we are challenged to and charged with, with sustaining, right, if they also had to be exhorted, if they also had to be challenged, then, then there's hope for us. Right? But here's the thing too, though. You have to remember, when we let go of the rope, it goes fast. So that that Stamp act, that was kind of a galvanizing moment for the colonials of that era. It was in New York where the Sons of Liberty first challenged the Stamp Act. It was in New York City where George Washington took His first oath of office, and now its mayor is a Marxist Islamist. Those are the stakes. So on one end, we're not worse than the other men. If they did it, we can do it too. On the other end. Here's what you need to understand is going to happen if we don't. And it's already happening because we haven't thoughts on that.

[Aaron McIntyre]

Get busy living or get busy dying. Those are my thoughts, as always.

[Unknown Commentator]

Amen.

[Todd Erzin]

So get your copy today. Why Independence Day? America is great Because God is good. And we're going to walk you and your children through the entire history of this nation. How it happened, what inspired it to happen, and how we are going to keep it happening. It comes out on May 26, but you can pre order it today. Thank you guys so much for the very successful first few days of launch. It's been incredible. Why Independence Day? America is great Because God is good. Pre orders are available now at Amazon. All right, are we ready for some Theology Thursday? Yeah. Okay. As much as possible, I want to state this as a. As a rule of engagement and see if we can agree on it amongst the three of us. Okay. As much as I think our opinion, our opinions of the state of the men are all well known. Agreed?

[Aaron McIntyre]

Oh, yeah.

[Todd Erzin]

It is a. It is a prime directive of our show. It's not the prime directive, but it is a biblical worldview. The advancement of a biblical worldview is the prime directive of the show. But it is a prime. It is a prime directive of the show. If that's number one, if we were to list maybe the next. If we had four or five more prime directives, this would be on that list.

[Aaron McIntyre]

Yes.

[Todd Erzin]

Is to reach this era of the men. Correct. All right. We all agree also that the ultimate destiny of nations is determined by the men. The men are the ones that are given the headship. We all agree on that, too, correct?

[Aaron McIntyre]

Yes.

[Todd Erzin]

Okay. But for this conversation with those three disclaimers out there and knowing that because of those three things, a disproportionate of our amount of our time is going to be focused on inspiring, reaching, and challenging the men, I want this conversation to be singularly about the women as much as possible. Because even if. Even if. Even if an enemy appeared in America and concocted something that killed every male in the United States, the women would still be responsible to the God in whose image they are made for all of their actions. Correct?

[Aaron McIntyre]

Yes.

[Todd Erzin]

All right, so as much as we possibly can, I want to discuss what's happening to and with our women. Particularly our young women. We're all fathers of daughters, Todd. You and I have raised women, girls to adulthood now. All right? So as much as possible, there'll be plenty of opportunities. I'm sure at some point we have to address some of the. Were created as a symbiotic species. Women literally came from men. It's hard to divorce it entirely, if not impossible. But as much as possible, I want us to pretend we're just talking to our daughters for a few minutes. Can we do that?

[Aaron McIntyre]

Well, as a father of four daughters and no sons, you've just, you know, laid out my life for me. I just.

[Unknown Commentator]

You already did the math.

[Aaron McIntyre]

It has to be implied at the outset though, because of what you said about headship, the way are we designed?

[Todd Erzin]

Correct.

[Unknown Commentator]

There's no like the, the every problem we talk about with women likely on

[Aaron McIntyre]

some level has to do with the failure of dads in particular.

[Unknown Commentator]

So I just, I submit that into

[Aaron McIntyre]

evidence and I'm fine leaving it there and not mentioning it again. But it's, it's absolutely true.

[Unknown Commentator]

When we establish the Christian math that

[Aaron McIntyre]

male headship is vital in terms of

[Unknown Commentator]

leadership, there's not a place that's more vital than the dads raising daughters and the absence that they feel when that

[Aaron McIntyre]

goes awry or when it's done badly. So no problem.

[Todd Erzin]

Aaron, you okay with this?

[Unknown Commentator]

I am, Yep.

[Todd Erzin]

All right, so. And what we're, what we're going to use as the launch point and mechanism for this conversation is probably something that a lot of this audience does not see a lot. Particularly if you are Todd and if you're Gen X and older, you probably don't, you're probably not necessarily aware of what the manosphere is. You probably don't see it a lot online. You might think the manosphere is back when Jimmy Kimmel was not completely owned by his libtard wife and used to crack, you know, obscene jokes with Dave Chappelle on sports shows, you know, and John Sally 25 years ago. That's not what we're talking about here. What's emerged online in the last. And this, this goes. This is not a Nick Fuentes thing. This, this is, predates all of that. If anything, it, it, it set the stage for him to grow some of the audience that he has, but some of the, some of the forerunners in this space. There was a, there was an X account about 10, 15 years ago, very popular bronze aged pervert was. There was this idea of returning to some form of pagan honor culture of that was hyper patriarchal was better and superior to the world that we have today. This grew very popular online. It has been absorbed now, if not superseded by lots of these kinds of messages within Christian circles. And sometimes I think they're just very traditionalistic. Sometimes I think they, they or they go over the line and you get into the Joel Webbin territory. All right, you guys okay with me so far on this? All right, this was a post that I saw last week that has now has. Has. Has over a million views online. And I didn't share it, but I. I didn't share it on my feed, but I sent it to you guys because it made me think we should discuss this. All right, first, I want to talk about the post that it is responding to. All right, this is a New York Post story. If you're Todd's. If you're in Todd and I's era, you have you. I mean, if. If you've got a Gen X male who, Who's. He's telling you he doesn't know who Shannon Elizabeth is either. A, he had amnesia the entire decade of the 1990s, B, and his amnesia has not gone away. C, he arrived on this planet undisclosed from another realm, or D, he's lying to you. Is that fair?

[Aaron McIntyre]

Pretty much.

[Todd Erzin]

Pretty much. If you. If you were ahead of heterosexual male of pubescent age or older in the 1990s, you sure as well know who Shannon Elizabeth was. She was. She was the object of sexual desire. The. She was the. You for the Ubermensch. She was the uber wench of the American Pie series. That was very. That was very popular in that era. All right. She announced. She, I think, is 52, so you and I's age. She announced about two weeks ago she was launching an Only Fans page. And this thing blew up, went successful, went viral right away, and then announced shortly thereafter the law. The. The successful launch of her only Fans page, that she was filing for divorce from her second husband, Simon Borchardt. All right, but when she. Did you hear about the story that she was going to launch? Did you see this go viral? She was going to launch an only Fans page. You see this in your feed or anything at all? Yeah. Okay. When was the last time you'd heard the name Shannon Elizabeth, though, before that story? It's been. It's been admitted, as the kids said,

[Aaron McIntyre]

it might be decades.

[Todd Erzin]

I think it might be decades for me. I mean.

[Aaron McIntyre]

I mean, probably in anything other than. I don't know.

[Todd Erzin]

I don't know if she was in anything other than the American Pie films. And then, you know, it was about the time the, the third one came out is when we started having kids and they're girls. And then, you know, even before I get converted, I start thinking to myself, I'm kind of looking at these films a little bit differently now that one of these daughters could be my own. Right. Kind of a thing, you know, So I don't remember the last time I heard Shannon Elizabeth's name. I don't that I gotta. I gotta believe at least George W. Bush was president probably the last time I heard her name.

[Aaron McIntyre]

Yeah, something like that.

[Todd Erzin]

Somewhere in that era. So we're going back a decade plus. All right, in response to this story, now is the post that's going to inspire our conversation. And this is the, this post went even almost as viral as her story did. And you see a lot of this kind of commentary in the manosphere online, but a lot of it, we've never really discussed it in the past because a lot of it's pretty vulgar and crude. This is not. And since the author claims to be a. From the orthodox wing of Christianity, which didn't we just talk about that? Was that just last week? Right? Was it last week's theology Thursday we did. Or the week before, relatively recently. We did. We did. The Orthodox church, I thought, all right, good timing to use something like this because this he's articulating these views without using the crudities and profanities that you often see in the manosphere. All right, here's his response to the Shannon Elizabeth news. Men are never going to see women the same way again. In the past, women had the benefit of most men being clueless to their nature. Most men truly believe their wives love them the same way they loved them. The evidence is there now that women probably only got with most men due to social pressure, economic dependence and safety. However, I believe the women of 1650 had the same yearning for Chads as they do in 2026. Chad's a online acronym for. I think it's charming, handsome, athletic or confident. Handsome, athletic. And I'm trying to remember what the D and the S, but essentially the idea of an alpha male. All right. However, I believe the women of 1650 had the same yearning for alpha males that they do in 2026. It's clear that if left to their own devices, women will embrace harem culture, seek sexual attention, and engage in sexual deviancy. This is why for centuries their behavior was controlled. Marriage will only be fixed when one, women are economically dependent upon men. Again, two, the state is no longer involved in marriages. Three, social shame returns and women are punished for bad actions. Until then, you will see many more of these kinds of Shannon Elizabeth cases. Before we start getting into this theologically, I just want to get you two's instant reactions to this just right off the cuff. Guttural, visceral, reflexive reaction. What do you think?

[Aaron McIntyre]

My instant reaction when I read it. This is the second time I've seen it. But the first time, when you told us what we were talking about, my incident, region, my instant reaction was the reason you had the instinct you did to say, we just need to talk about the women and not the men. Because I've got a lot to say about the men on that front, but

[Unknown Commentator]

I won't and I promised.

[Aaron McIntyre]

But that is my honest answer. That's my instant reaction.

[Todd Erzin]

Well, it's, it's, it's my reaction too. But we also have to recognize women are sinners.

[Aaron McIntyre]

Yeah.

[Todd Erzin]

As well. Women need grace as well. All right.

[Aaron McIntyre]

Yeah.

[Todd Erzin]

So.

[Unknown Commentator]

But it's the premises that are established.

The misframing.

[Todd Erzin]

Yes, I agree it's misframing, but are there any actions here? Some of this is the women's responsibility. We would all agree to that. Right? My wife will. My wife. My, my. If my wife was here, she would say to me all the time, you're way too easy on the women. And I would say to her, you're way too easy on the man. All right. We have these conversations all the time. She always takes the guy's side. I always say, I always take the woman's side.

[Aaron McIntyre]

I have four daughters who would never say I'm too easy on the women. No, Nor would my wife. I just. I think there's two things can be true at the same time. Women are sinners just like everybody else. And there is a whole lot of misframing. A great term, Aaron. Thank you for coming in on that, going on, on what this guy thinks the condition of reality is. And it doesn't shock me at all that it's said anonymously.

[Todd Erzin]

Okay, Aaron, what do you think?

[Unknown Commentator]

Yeah, it's misframed. And again, trying to steer this exclusively at the women.

[Steve Day]

It's misframed.

[Unknown Commentator]

You can spot the ways. I think the only thing that I agree wholeheartedly with, at least in. In its general abstract, is the middle sentence. The women of 1650 attracted to masculinity the same way women of 2026.

[Todd Erzin]

So you kind of reframed what he said there. I like that.

[Unknown Commentator]

So that's the only part of that that I Like I could wholeheartedly in a vacuum, in the abstract, agree with. But the rest of this, I think is fundamentally misframed.

[Todd Erzin]

Let's now, let's talk about this theologically. Proverbs, one of the most popular books in the Bible. Corporations for centuries that were either godless or didn't care about ethics would consult its wisdom and put it into practice. It's one book of the Bible that if you just lived the way that it's said to live, because we're not utterly depraved. So we, we can still do good. There's no good in us in terms of satisfying the wrath of God for the weight of our sin, but we are still capable, even as sinners, of doing good because we still bear his image. Right. You would, you'd live a pretty blessed life if you just put a lot of the moral principles as best as you could of Proverbs into practice. Fair. Yeah, much of proverbs, much of it is both. Samson, according to tradition, it's auth. I'm sorry, Samson. Solomon, according to tradition, it's author is a king Lemuel. I think that's kind of the other author that it's attributed to, I believe. And they are. They spend an inordinate amount of time warning about the kind of women that frankly, this post is talking about.

[Aaron McIntyre]

Correct.

[Todd Erzin]

They warn about it a lot. Okay. And we would not feel like we had to. We have to reframe that or we would not, with the three of us consider the. Would we go on the Tucker Carlson kick and say, reconsider Proverbs. It's been misframed, as he's been doing with books, that we would not do that. Right, Right.

[Steve Day]

So it's about genocide of fools.

[Todd Erzin]

Sorry, we're going to reframe Proverbs. It's actually all that's really about me too. I mean, there is a lot of warning about misbegotten, immoral women and what they will do and how it will ruin your life as a man if you fall into their wiles. Right?

[Aaron McIntyre]

Absolutely.

[Todd Erzin]

Have you ever, have you ever felt compelled with your daughters to ever take them aside and say, I hope your feelings aren't hurt by this? Whenever you guys have studied this or discussed it in church or as a family, ever had to do that before? Ever felt like you needed to do that before? Like they would feel like affronted or offended that they were being warned that women can be deeply malevolent sinners?

[Aaron McIntyre]

Have I felt. Yeah.

[Todd Erzin]

Have you felt like you had to counter, you had to counter signal Proverbs.

[Aaron McIntyre]

No.

[Todd Erzin]

All right. And so therefore we agree that there's some level of female responsibility here. Correct. All right, so let's reconcile the fact that Proverbs does use some of this language. And this is maybe we're getting into Aaron's term of misframing. Proverbs does use, at least in spirit, some of this language to warn about, frankly, women like Shannon Elizabeth, if we're being honest. All right, so for the unbeliever out there or the frustrated young man out there, I'm struggling to find a wife. All right, what is the distinction between what is said in this post and what both Solomon and I think it's King Lemuel. I'll look it up during the break. The kinds of women that they warn about throughout the Book of Proverbs, which is the Bible's book of wisdom.

[Aaron McIntyre]

Well, for the unbeliever, it's that Proverbs is written by God and has a lot to say about a lot more than that. And again, this is an anonymous Ms. Guy that at least by implication makes it seem like most, if not close to all of the fault is with the gals. And I'm basically, I'm not, I'm trying to stick to the rules here, but

[Unknown Commentator]

that's, that's the difference.

[Todd Erzin]

So there's a Proverbs, meaning the whole book of Proverbs is not just about that.

[Aaron McIntyre]

Yeah.

[Todd Erzin]

The book of Proverbs does not say that, that women are uniquely, singularly temptable, deconstructive creatures.

[Unknown Commentator]

If you get to the end of

[Aaron McIntyre]

Proverbs and certainly if you get to the end, this is important in all of Scripture.

[Unknown Commentator]

Your final judgment isn't going to be man, those gals are whack and we're screwed because of them and only them. That's not going to be the indictment.

[Todd Erzin]

Oh, I thought you were going to talk about Proverbs 31. That if you get to the end of Proverbs, one of the final things that Proverbs has to say is that now I would think this poster would agree. He would love to have you know, that would be the model wife. The Proverbs 31 wife. Right. Okay, so you're arguing that's right.

[Unknown Commentator]

The end of Proverbs or the Bible

[Aaron McIntyre]

as a take either one.

[Todd Erzin]

So your argument is that yes, those parts are in there, but the Book of Proverbs is not about how terrible women are. That's, that's not the source of the subtitle.

[Aaron McIntyre]

Isn't chicks, man, you know, no, no, it's not.

[Todd Erzin]

Although if you stopped at, like, the first couple of chapters. Oh, yeah, you might think that's what it is. All right. Yeah, you might think so if you're like, I just. I stopped the chapters too, man. I stopped at chapter two and I was like, chicks, man. If you stop there, you might think that's what it's about. Yeah. All right, Aaron, what do you think? How would you. How would we answer this seemingly dichotomy?

[Unknown Commentator]

Because of the sentence, after the sentence I said that I agreed with in the abstract. It's clear that left to their own devices, women will embrace harem culture, seek sexual attention and engage in sexual deviancy. Now, those first words, it's clear. Based on what? Please tell me that. So that's a problem right there. But along the lines of what Todd said, proverbs is for everybody. It's for everybody. Now, there are specific scenarios that the writers warn the reader or the listener about. But Proverbs is for everybody. But the way this is. This is part of the framing problem. It's clear that I can kind of insert my own take on that sentence I just read. It's clear that women are uniquely sinful. That's in this era. That's what that post said.

[Todd Erzin]

Yeah.

[Unknown Commentator]

I mean, men.

[Aaron McIntyre]

Men still have a porn problem, right?

[Todd Erzin]

Well, you mean you don't think Shannon Elizabeth is performing for the grandmothers of nursing homes? Yeah, that was just that, what you're saying.

[Aaron McIntyre]

Yeah.

[Todd Erzin]

So I was right. It is King Lemuel. And this is. This person is very germane to this conversation. All right, I'm going to tease that. We'll get into that here in a moment.

[Congressman Chip Roy]

The steve day show.

[Todd Erzin]

All right, back here on the Steve Day show, brought to you by our friends over at Fast Growing Trees. They have the largest and most trusted online nursery, which why. Which is why they've got 2 million. A large amount of people who trust them as their happy customers. And this is the time of year you're thinking of your spring planting needs. And they've got what you need at Fast Growing Trees, whether that's fruit trees, privacy trees, flowering trees, shrubs, houseplants, all grown with care, guaranteed to arrive healthy. In fact, they call it they're alive and thrive guarantee it promises that your plants will arrive happy and healthy. No green thumb required. By the way, if you're worried they're just going to die on you once you get there, they've got online and ongoing support that can help you not just plan your landscape before. Before those things arrive. But then also help learn, help you learn how to care for them every single step of the way right now. So of course, they've got big time sales going on right now, up to half off on some select plants, in fact. But you can get even more if you're going there for the first time by being a part of our show. Get an extra 20% off. That's an additional 20% off if you're making your first purchase with the code dace at fast growing trees.com an additional 20% off your first purchase at fast growingtrees.com Using promo code [e-mail] all right, so we talked about proverbs. Certainly there are parts of Proverbs that absolutely sound an awful lot like the manosphere today. Absolutely. Particularly at the beginning. And then later in the book of Proverbs, this is mysterious figure that shows up named King Lemuel. And so we're not entirely sure who King Lemuel is. What we do know, though, is the warnings that he has about wanton women like Shannon Elizabeth he actually receives from his mother. So it's actually a woman warning him against being sexually tempted in immorality by other women. So right away we have kind of a distinction from the manosphere there. King Lemuel is thinking, is contemplating whether to follow southern hemisphere thinking. And it's a woman, his mother, who steps in and offers him all this advice, you see later in the book, against the Shannon Elizabeths of the world. So there's a contrast there between. Are women uniquely or singularly sinful creatures? No. Are they uniquely or singularly virtuous creatures? No. Can they be wicked? Yes. Can they be virtuous? Yes. Now, here's the postscript on King Lemuel, though, even though we're not entirely sure who he is. For most of Jewish and then a lot of Christian history, scholars believe that King Lemuel was a pen name for King Solomon and perhaps was even kind of a pet name or a nickname that his own mother gave him. Who was his mother?

[Aaron McIntyre]

Bathsheba.

[Todd Erzin]

Bathsheba. How does Bathsheba come into the. To the story here?

[Aaron McIntyre]

Infidelity.

[Todd Erzin]

Infidelity. But is she the wanton woman? Does she. Is she peddling her wares? Is she. Is she making herself available at court when her husband is away at war? She is making herself. She's dressing provocatively. She's batting her eyelashes. She's back. Then it wouldn't have been leg. It might have been ankle. All right. But she's lifted up Enough skirt to show a little bit more skin to King David in order to. To. To. To get him to come hither. Is that what happened with Bathsheba?

[Aaron McIntyre]

No. She's a married woman who's ultimately betrayed by her king.

[Todd Erzin]

Correct. In fact, she begs of him, do not do this thing.

[Aaron McIntyre]

Yeah, betrayed.

[Todd Erzin]

You could almost describe what happened to Bathsheba. Maybe not even almost, given the power dynamic here and the fact that she says, please do not do this. That she was assaulted in some way almost by David.

[Aaron McIntyre]

Yes.

[Todd Erzin]

Yeah. That's why you use the term betrayed.

[Aaron McIntyre]

Yes.

[Todd Erzin]

Yeah. And yet, if most of Jewish and Christian tradition about who King Lemuel really was is correct, and therefore it's his mother, Bathsheba, who the society of that time, would they have viewed Bathsheba as the victim?

[Aaron McIntyre]

No.

[Todd Erzin]

She would have been seen as homewrecker, troublesome, including by probably a lot of her other fellow women, even the women at court, I would imagine. And yet she's the one that is, according to a lot of tradition, warning her son, King Lemuel or Solomon, against the very kind of women that she was not actually. What should that say to the manosphere, do you think?

[Colin Bailey]

Well,

[Aaron McIntyre]

now you're asking me to do what I promised I wouldn't, so I don't.

[Todd Erzin]

It should say, look, you know why I asked you to do that, and you know why you're struggling to do it? Because I knew when I asked you, you can't do it. Not you can't do it.

[Aaron McIntyre]

No. That's why I know.

[Todd Erzin]

It literally cannot be done. Right? It literally cannot be done. Because the number one tool for. Here's. Here's the. Here's the irony of this piece from the manosphere guy here. The only way. The only way. This sentence right here, it's clear that if left to their own devices, women will embrace harem culture, seek sexual attention, and engage in sexual deviancy. I have a question. You know what? You go first, because it might be the same question I was about to ask. Go ahead.

[Unknown Commentator]

I'm going to read this again, just for the third time here. It's clear that if left to their own devices, women will embrace harem culture, seek sexual attention, and engage in sexual deviancy. This is responding to a story about Shannon Elizabeth making a million dollars on OnlyFans.

[Todd Erzin]

Yeah, see, I think you have the same question I do. Who are they doing these questions?

[Steve Day]

I have a question.

[Unknown Commentator]

Let me ask my question. I don't yell at you that often.

[Todd Erzin]

No, I deserve it. Go ahead.

[Unknown Commentator]

Did that million dollars. Did Shannon Elizabeth just manifest that? Did it just appear ex nihilo out of nothing? Was there no one on the other side of the screen? Was there nobody? That money just. Only fans just out of nothing just appeared in front of Shannon Elizabeth. So I can't ask that question without doing what you asked us not to do.

[Todd Erzin]

I know, which is why I asked you not to.

[Unknown Commentator]

Foul temptress made me do this.

[Todd Erzin]

However.

[Unknown Commentator]

However, Shannon Elizabeth is a wicked woman.

[Todd Erzin]

She is, yeah, yeah.

[Unknown Commentator]

She's not a victim at all. But she's not the only one without fault here.

[Todd Erzin]

Correct? I mean, ultimately, to whom would she, would women like Shannon Elizabeth, to whom would they engage in harem culture with who would it be?

[Unknown Commentator]

Left to their own devices, maybe men might seek.

[Todd Erzin]

Yeah.

[Unknown Commentator]

Sexual gratification.

[Todd Erzin]

Yes. Sexual deviancy.

[Unknown Commentator]

Sexual deviancy, correct.

[Todd Erzin]

Now this is where she's undeniably a wicked woman. Is shannon Elizabeth some 19 year old waif running away from an abusive home and at this point she's got nothing other than the money maker the good Lord gave her. And she's just trying to make sure she doesn't end up homeless in, you know, a drug addict and being the sugar daddy to some married rich old guy at least puts a roof overhead. Is that her sob story at all?

[Aaron McIntyre]

It is not.

[Todd Erzin]

She's 52 years old, she's been married twice, she's been a major movie star. No sob story here. Right. So she knows exactly what she is doing, right?

[Aaron McIntyre]

Absolutely.

[Todd Erzin]

Absolutely. She's a malevolent force. She is absolutely a wicked woman. No question about that. She, she, because she's 52. Because of what, how she rose to stardom in the first place. She's well aware of the card that she is playing here. Right. She is well aware that on her head is inscribed kerosene and over here is an open flame. She's well aware that she's going over there and just dousing it up and amplifying it and exemplifying it all the more. She is very much aware of this. Correct? Yes, yes. But ultimately, would there have been a market for this, anything close to this in 1650? Given of course they didn't have only fans, but given the technology of the era, relative to the what was available in the era, would there have been a market for this in 1650?

[Aaron McIntyre]

A market for what?

[Todd Erzin]

For Shannon Elizabeth at age 52 to cash in on peddling her sexual deviancy and wickedness?

[Aaron McIntyre]

No.

[Todd Erzin]

Why? Because women were better in 1650. I mean, this post says women. This post says that women of 1650 wanted one of the alpha males, like the of today do. They weren't any better.

[Unknown Commentator]

It has to do with a word

[Aaron McIntyre]

I think he used, but it's because it was applied broadly. Shame.

[Unknown Commentator]

Didn't he use the word shame? But only in the direction of women.

[Todd Erzin]

The culture was better and the men were better. Yes. Yeah. The culture was better and the men were better. That's why, I mean, here's the reality. For most of men in the history of this world, most men in the history of this world would really only in a provocative, alluring way. Not I walked in on my sister. Not I watched us changing grandma's, you know, bed sheets and rolling her over at 75. Most. Most of what? Most any human being that was called a man for most of us, for the, for the, for the 7,000 years of history, we're pretty much only going to see one, maybe two if we had to get remarried for whatever reason. One, maybe two women naked, in an alluring. In person, in real time. Naked and in an alluring, provocative way. State pose position. One or two women total in our entire lifetimes. Unless you were very wealthy and you could afford things like harem culture. But most of men throughout the history of the world could not do that. That's regardless of custom, language, religion. That was true today. On this thing right here. On this thing right here, every single man on this planet in about five minutes can see in real time, 10 tops, hundreds, if not thousands of women in such poses in such states in real time. So is it the supply or the demand? What is the answer?

[Aaron McIntyre]

Yes.

[Todd Erzin]

Yes is the answer. Is Shannon Elizabeth making this worse?

[Aaron McIntyre]

Yes.

[Todd Erzin]

Yes. Did the problem pre exist? Shannon Elizabeth, which is why she had a market at age 52 to do only half hands in the first place.

[Unknown Commentator]

Yes.

[Todd Erzin]

Yeah. Who is setting that market?

[Aaron McIntyre]

Men with a lot of excuses and a non account.

[Todd Erzin]

Correct. So what do we say? What do we say in our audience right now is a young man? And I'm going to tell you, more than one. They are. They're tuned in. Right. If you're a young man listening regularly to this show, you're bought in. Right? Because. Because we'll lean on you, we'll push on you, we'll dad you. Right. Well, all three of us will do that, right?

[Aaron McIntyre]

Yes.

[Todd Erzin]

So if you're listening to this show as a young man on a regular basis, then you're in you. You're buying what we're selling. You get the vibe. You're like, you know, this is what I want to grow up and be like. I wanna, I wanna, I wanna have the standing that you guys, when I'm your age, I want to have the standing to say to the next generation of young men, which you feel like you have the standing to say to me. Right?

[Unknown Commentator]

Fair.

[Aaron McIntyre]

Yeah.

[Todd Erzin]

Okay. And that. But a lot of those young men are very frustrated that they cannot find a wife. Is that also true, Aaron?

[Congressman Chip Roy]

Yes.

[Todd Erzin]

What do we say to them then? They're doing, they're. They are trying to live the lives of honor that would lead. See, here's, here's what I would say. Women. Women don't. It's not that women have to be economically dependent on men again. It's that men have to be willing to provide for women again. It's not that the, that women have to be controlled by men. Men have to be willing to lead their women. And in the Christian worldview, leadership is servant based. It's not a power dynamic, it's servant based. God in the flesh comes and lays down his life for us. The Son of man came to serve, not to be served. And it's through that servant leadership then that the followers are like my Lord and my God. And it is through that servant leadership that your wife says to you, I trust you. I've seen you model it. I've seen humility in your life. Lead I'll follow. But what do we say to the young man who is trying to right now put those proto instincts into his character and is still struggling to find a virtuous woman? What do we say to him?

[Aaron McIntyre]

Well, I've got two things you absolutely have to measure raw look at who you are. How much passivity do you have in

[Unknown Commentator]

your life versus action?

[Aaron McIntyre]

And how much me time do you have in your life versus we time? And don't it's make sure you're not comparing apples to oranges. Sitting down and reading on a regular basis is not just me time. That is also we time. Because you're going to be. It's going to create the kind of person that can connect with the kind of woman you really want.

[Unknown Commentator]

The same is not true if you're

[Aaron McIntyre]

doing the kind of things I hammer on all the time.

[Unknown Commentator]

It is not. It is okay to have them as

[Aaron McIntyre]

the dessert at the end of the day.

[Unknown Commentator]

But if your me time and the emotion you give to them is fundamentally

[Aaron McIntyre]

about the fantasy football, toy lightsabers and video games at all, you can lie

[Unknown Commentator]

to yourself all you want. The women you're going to have available

[Aaron McIntyre]

to and the amount, both the kind

[Unknown Commentator]

and the amount it's going to narrow drastically.

[Aaron McIntyre]

So be very honest about those two things.

[Unknown Commentator]

Go to church, join a small group, talk to your pastors. That's one thing. Assuming you've got some of the stuff Todd is talking about figured out. You know, I think developing relationships with people at church, they might be able to help you find a woman like that. Now, that's easier done than said and said than done when it comes down to it. But that's one thing. Are you really going to church? Are you really engaged in church? Not just attending, but engaged in church, developing those friendships? That's. That's one thing. The other thing that I tell the young man, let's just pretend that this young man has all of these things worked out. Very little me time. Working hard, developing his skills, stewarding the gifts that God has given him. In your true motives, your true self, whatever you want to call it deep down, are you really okay if you never get married? Are you okay if that's the plan that God has for you? Are you okay with that? I think that's something you need to be honest with as well. Not that this is necessarily always an idolatry problem or the idea of getting married. And this is. I don't have any worth if I don't get married.

[Todd Erzin]

It's.

[Unknown Commentator]

It's a good desire to have. It's a good desire, objectively, biblically. But are you okay if you're one of the ones that God says no? Have you made your peace with that?

[Aaron McIntyre]

This is so important, Aaron. Because if you're not, you have to ask why? And that's really, really important. What haunts you? What is God not big enough to overcome? Aaron, great point.

[Unknown Commentator]

Because you're probably going to get married. I mean, yeah, you want to be married right now, maybe at 22, maybe it's not till 28. It's probably going to happen anecdotal.

This is not going to. This is not going to happen in every. I'll just be honest with you. I had come to a point. I was living with a buddy of mine in my apartment. I took trips to the Grand Canyon by myself. I had really started to enjoy the freedom of being single. And then I met Bella six months later, and I can't even imagine going back.

[Todd Erzin]

Good conversation.

[Aaron McIntyre]

Yeah.

[Todd Erzin]

Thank you, guys. Back at it again tomorrow, noon to 2 Eastern, right after Glenn Beck, right here on Blaze TV. Until then, go hard. Romans 8, 28.