GET OUT: The Mike Pence Brand of Masculinity Is OVER | 5/13/26

Summary

Podcast Summary: Steve Deace Show

Episode: GET OUT: The Mike Pence Brand of Masculinity Is OVER
Date: May 13, 2026
Host: Steve Deace, with Todd Erzin, Daniel Horowitz, and Aaron McIntyre
Network: Blaze Podcast Network

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Overview

This episode tackles the end of the Mike Pence-era "principled conservatism" and brands of Republican leadership that Steve Deace and team believe have failed their movement. They blend political commentary, cultural critique, and signature snark as they break down big political news, mock Beltway theatrics, and dissect the character and legacy of Mike Pence—emphasizing its perceived irrelevance in the current conservative landscape.

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Key Segments & Discussion Points

1. Political Headlines and “Theater” (00:01–05:20)

• FDA Shakeup:
  • Dr. Marty Makary out at FDA; lauded by HHS Secretary RFK Jr. and President Trump, but criticized by Senator Josh Hawley for being "uniquely destructive to the pro-life movement" (00:21).
  • Missouri Senator Josh Hawley:
    "He attempted to place pro-abortion lawyers in key positions... froze out pro-life leaders... His resignation is an opportunity for the FDA to reset." ([00:21])
• CIA Whistleblower Testifies:
  • Employee James Erdman III testifies that the intel community downplayed COVID lab leak theory, allegedly influenced by Dr. Fauci, and covered up key info (01:00).
  • Critique that the statute of limitations for prosecuting Fauci expired just before this testimony.
• Trump in Beijing:
  • Trump arrives in China, joined by Elon Musk and Jensen Huang.
• Federal Reserve Leadership:
  • Kevin Warsh confirmed to Fed Board; expected to become Chair.
• Trump on Iran:
  • Trump remains focused on denying Iran nuclear weapons, brushing off concerns about the American financial situation.
    “The only thing that matters... you cannot let Iran have a nuclear weapon.” – Daniel Horowitz, quoting Trump ([02:39])
• Senate Filibuster Drama:
  • Majority Leader John Thune says Republicans lack votes to end filibuster, a talking point Deace crew calls “failure theater.”

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2. Mocking the Pence Style: The End of an Era (05:20–43:00)

• Contrast: Pence vs. Trump Populism:
  • Todd Erzin lampoons Pence’s speech about sticking with “traditional conservative principles,” suggesting this is out of touch in 2026.
    “Mike Pence is literally wrong about everything.” – Todd Erzin ([04:50])
• Montage, Satire, and Analysis:
  • Parodies of Pence and Michelle Obama focus on the sanitized, disconnected lives of Beltway elites.
  • Deace sharply critiques Pence’s record—especially his backpedaling during Indiana’s Religious Freedom Restoration Act fight—calling him emblematic of a generation of conservatives who were “no good in a fight.”
    “Mike Pence is the poster child for the Christian male of the last generation… just pious enough to be taken seriously, but no good in a fight.” – Steve Deace ([26:51])
• Masculinity and the Future of the Movement:
  • Deace argues that the Pence model of principled but ineffectual conservatism is over, replaced by messy but action-oriented populists like Trump.
  • The team discusses how new GOP voters are motivated by frustration with traditional leadership.

Notable Quote

• "If you want to know precisely what happened to your country, Mike Pence is the poster child for the Christian male of this last era." – Steve Deace ([26:51])

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3. Institutional Distrust & COVID Whistleblower (13:00–20:50)

• Delayed Testimony, Deep Cynicism:
  • Randall Paul’s COVID whistleblower appears after statute of limitations expires. Panel expresses deep distrust in the intelligence community and doubts about accountability for public health missteps.
    “Name an institution that has suffered more of a credibility hit than the intelligence community has in the last 20 years.” – Todd Erzin ([19:06])
  • Dialogue on whether anything credible can now emerge from U.S. intelligence agencies.

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4. Culture War & Political Satire (43:30–73:00)

• “Buy, Sell, or Hold” Segment:
  • Rapid-fire opinions on political and cultural propositions, including:
    • Disney’s inability to write nuanced female characters ([51:36]).
    • Generational differences in sci-fi/fantasy movie preferences.
    • The Catholic Church’s trajectory under current leadership.
    • The challenge of primarying entrenched incumbents, especially with Trump’s unpredictable endorsements ([79:51]).
    • Lighthearted bits about in-team banter and behind-the-scenes show culture.
• Satirical Takes:
  • Frequent ribbing about politicians, media figures, and the alleged “failure theater” of GOP leaders like Thune, Pence, and Graham.

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5. Strategy for Conservative Primary Challenges (79:51–95:48)

• With Analyst Daniel Horowitz:
  • Red state primaries favoring entrenched incumbents, usually with Trump’s backing—even over more conservative challengers.
  • Analysis of why credible primary challengers struggle: lack of name ID, money, and the gravity of a Trump endorsement.
  • Strategic advice for conservative insurgents:
    • Build local name recognition by running multiple times.
    • Realistically, until Trump exits the scene, major change is nearly impossible—future success depends on groundwork laid now.
  • Discussion about movement organizations’ role and funding, and the effect (positive and negative) of Trump’s intervention on local races.

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Timestamps for Major Segments

• 00:01–05:20: Political Theatre, Key News (Makary, CIA COVID cover-up, Trump in China)
• 05:20–13:00: Opening banter, show structure, and Michelle Obama/Pence parody
• 13:00–20:50: COVID cover-up whistleblower and breakdown in institutional trust
• 20:54–43:00: Steve Deace’s Pence takedown—masculinity, legacy, and movement direction
• 43:00–73:00: “Buy, Sell, or Hold” roundtable; pop culture/political takes
• 73:00–79:51: Pre-order pitch for “Why Independence Day” and faith/culture talk
• 79:51–95:48: Daniel Horowitz on 2026 primaries, movement challenges, the Trump effect

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Memorable Moments & Quotes

• On Pence’s Brand:
  “Imagine Ned Flanders, but take away everything you liked. No pleasantness, no small talk…just all furrowed brow.” – Steve Deace ([27:36])
• On Conservative Institutions:
  “If we elected people like Mike Pence to be our proxies…furrowed brows happened. I’ve done everything that I can. We simply don’t have the votes…that’s what we got.” – Steve Deace ([40:04])
• On Intelligence Agencies:
  “I can’t give you a credible reason why you would [trust Intel agencies]...I mean, I don’t see how they have any credibility.” – Todd Erzin ([18:18])
• On Trump’s Political Dominance:
  “In terms of our primary cycle, we really have one more election cycle where he essentially provides the signet ring to determine who wins these primaries.” – Steve Deace ([86:10])

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Tone & Style

• Blunt, irreverent, combative:
  “Buy, sell, or hold, but if you pick hold, you get sentenced to twenty years hard labor listening to Mike Pence lecture on conservative principles.”
• Mix of parody, serious strategy, and cultural commentary.
• Frequent in-jokes, satirical analogies, and literary/cinematic references (from Ned Flanders to True Detective and Star Wars).

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Summary Takeaway:
The Steve Deace Show argues that the old, placid brand of conservative masculinity and “principled” Republican leadership—personified by Mike Pence—is dead. The hosts blame years of ineffective, performative politics and culturally insulated elites for the right's setbacks, contrasting them with today’s chaotic, at least action-oriented, populism. Institutional distrust and skepticism of both intelligence agencies and GOP leaders run throughout, as does a persistent critique of Beltway “failure theater.” The episode blends biting humor with actionable guidance for grassroots conservatives eyeing a future—post-Trump—where realignment and persistence may finally pay dividends.

Transcript

[Steve Dace]

It's the Steve Day show and here's what happened while we were away. Brought to you by Out Shake up in the world of Maha as Dr. Marty Makary is out. As the head of Food and Drug Administration, HHS Secretary Robert F. Kennedy Jr. Lauded Makary on his way out along with President Trump.

[Todd Erzin]

Marty's a great guy. He's a friend of mine. He's a wonderful man and he's going to be.

[Steve Dace]

Others, however, like Missouri Senator Josh Hawley says it's welcome news. Hawley Posted on X Dr. Makary was uniquely destructive to the pro life movement. He attempted to place pro abortion lawyers in key positions. He slow walked a vitally necessary review of the abortion drug mifepristone. He used his discretion to approve a new abortion drug when the data shows it sends one in 10 women to the emergency room. He froze out pro life leaders and repeatedly stonewalled Congress. His resignation is an opportunity for the FDA to reset interesting developments like this morning as well as A current employee of the CIA testified as a whistleblower in front of Senator Rand Paul's Homeland Security Committee. The whistleblower was identified as James Erdman III and he had this to say about the intel community and Covid. Intelligence community leaders and senior analysts downplayed the possibility that the COVID pandemic originated as a result of a lab incident. Intentional or not, the IC's actions resulted in a cover up, wasted resources, and a failure to properly inform policymakers. Public health policy would have been very different had the American public been made aware that a virus from a lab in China was going to serve as the foundation for an Emergency Use Authorization MRNA products being mandated by the former administration. Dr. Fauci's role in the COVID up was intentional. Dr. Fauci influenced the analytical process and findings by leveraging his position to ensure the IC consulted with a conflicted list of curated subject matter experts, public health officials and scientists. The statute of limitations to prosecute Fauci for his lies regarding gain of function research ran out earlier this week. Speaking of China, President Trump arrived in Beijing early this morning aboard Air Force One with Elon Musk and Nvidia Chief Jensen Huang in tower. Trump is set to be joined by a whole phalanx of top American corporate executives during his state visit. Kevin Warsh was confirmed to join the Fed Board of Governors in the Senate yesterday. A vote to make him Fed Chairman is expected later this week after current chair Jerome Powell steps down. On the topic of Americans finances and the Iran war, Trump says not even a little bit.

[Daniel Horowitz]

The only thing that matters that I'm talking about Iran, they can't have a nuclear weapon. I don't think about American financial situation.

[Todd Erzin]

I don't think about anybody.

[Daniel Horowitz]

I think about one thing. You cannot let Iran have a nuclear weapon.

[Steve Dace]

Of course, Trump is not going to show weakness to the Iranians, but those comments aren't going to play well at home. Meanwhile, Senate Majority Leader John Thune says what? Say that we don't have the votes

[Todd Erzin]

to get rid of the filibuster. We did. We called it up on the floor. March, I think, 17th. We were on it for several weeks and had a very spirited debate.

[Steve Dace]

Mike Pence, your thoughts.

[Todd Erzin]

I think Republicans face a new time of choosing whether we're going to stay on the path of the traditional conservative principles that have always defined our party for the last half century, or whether we're going to follow the siren song of populism.

[Daniel Horowitz]

If the rule you followed brought you to this,

[Todd Erzin]

of what use was the rule?

[Steve Dace]

And finally, President Trump posted this side by side on Truth Social of his vice president alongside former first lady Michelle Obama. A lot of good things.

[Todd Erzin]

It's expensive to live in the White House.

[Steve Dace]

What a blessing it is to be here.

[Todd Erzin]

There were moments when I didn't feel like I got enough attention.

[Steve Dace]

We live in this beautiful, very protected mansion that the American people have gifted us.

[Todd Erzin]

Many people don't know. I mean, much is not covered.

[Steve Dace]

Most of our meals are prepared for us, so we don't have to worry

[Todd Erzin]

as much about cooking. You're paying for every food, every bit of food that you eat.

[Steve Dace]

There are a lot of things that in some ways make having a baby easier.

[Todd Erzin]

How do you raise kids in the White House? It's dangerous.

[Steve Dace]

You don't have to worry about TSA lines when you're the vice president. Air Force Two makes transportation pretty easy.

[Todd Erzin]

We had to pay for their travel to be on the plane.

[Steve Dace]

My attitude towards kids, they're a hassle. What the hell have we gotten ourselves into?

[Daniel Horowitz]

No more kids. They mess you up.

[Steve Dace]

Then we had a second, then we had a third. And now both of us are just like, what's one more? Quite the contrast indeed. And that's what happened while we were away.

[Todd Erzin]

I didn't have. We were going to be able to draw stark worldview conclusions by what private life is like in the White House on my bingo card today. But holy cow, does that video do it?

[Aaron McIntyre]

Yes.

[Todd Erzin]

Right? Mike Pence is literally wrong about everything. Jonathan is doing failure theater. And of course, we have a whistleblower come forward on Foushee the day after the statute of limitations runs out. Of course we do. Speaking of theater, all that and more next year on the Steve Day show.

[Aaron McIntyre]

All right.

[Todd Erzin]

Back here on the Steve Day show, greetings. Happy Wednesday live and on demand here on Blaze tv, radio and podcast. I'm Steve Dase with Todd erzin and Aaron McIntyre. And we're brought to you by Michelle Obama's favorite charity, Preborn. They want to make sure there's all kinds of new babies. In fact, you've helped them with this partnership over the last few years to make sure there's at least tens of thousands more baby humans than there otherwise would have been. So thank you for that generosity. Let's keep it going. For as little as $28, you can fund a single ultrasound today that doubles a human's life of survival, maybe doubles his or her mother's chance at eternal survival as well. All right. And so I mean, this reason you could be the, this may, you could be the reason that a mom is going to get to celebrate Mother's Day next year. All right. And they don't, they don't just say thanks for choosing life and then move on. They are there to help this new family now get started off on the right foot with maternity care, baby clothes, diapers, counseling and so much more. And all of it is free. But we all know it's not really. And that's where you and I come in. Make your tax deductible donation today to the five star [e-mail] Steve. Again, that's preborn.com Steve. All right. Typical Wednesday agenda for you. Buy seller hold coming your way here in a little bit. Daniel Horowitz will take us inside politics here in the final segment of the program. But let's, you know, I think we have a common theme here. Talk about theater. Should we talk about theater? Because I think there was quite a bit of theater within, within Aaron's montage today.

[Aaron McIntyre]

Is it Ellen Page is playing hey,

[Steve Dace]

save it for buy seller hold. You know we've got it.

[Aaron McIntyre]

Is it that theater?

[Steve Dace]

A million submissions.

[Todd Erzin]

I, I hope we don't have an entire buy seller hold of vicious and unconfirmed rumors. I really hope we don't.

[Aaron McIntyre]

I hope that's all we have.

[Steve Dace]

I better hustle.

[Todd Erzin]

That's all we have.

[Aaron McIntyre]

You said you wanted to talk about theater. I didn't. You did. You opened the door. I kicked it in.

[Todd Erzin]

I hope that's all we have.

[Daniel Horowitz]

Nice.

[Todd Erzin]

Where was I? Let's talk about the theater. Theater. Masterpiece Theater. All right, so I, I think there is three examples of theater here. Two of them intentional and the other one, I think someone has just gone full quirky and all the world's a stage. All right, let's discuss here.

[Aaron McIntyre]

That's a great reference.

[Todd Erzin]

Did you like that one?

[Aaron McIntyre]

I love that reference.

[Todd Erzin]

No way, Corky. Not gonna put up with these people. Anywho, Jonathan is doing failure theater. And the problem is it's even less folksy and more monotone than all the years that Ditch did it. I mean, if John Thune were a politician, it would be the classic Mel Kuiper evaluation. Looks like Tarzan plays like Jane. Like, he looks like, you know, the chiseled jaw, the broad shoulders. He looks like, you know, a middle aged austere father leader cast in a film or in a drama on television. And then he begins to talk and you're like, yeah, you can't, you can't carry an audience at all. Like you're just not believable at all. Like if you're, if you're gonna lie effectively, you have to be able to inspire people. It can't be so obvious. John Th talks like he's always anchorman, just reading every line right off of the teleprompter. Not to mention his job is not to be the majority counter. That's not his job. It's not to be the majority census. The majority counter. What's this? What's the. What's his job title in the United States Senate? What would that be?

[Aaron McIntyre]

Leader.

[Todd Erzin]

Majority leader. The root word of leader would be cowardice. Oh, well, not what he is modeling, but with the actual etymology of the root word of leader would be what?

[Aaron McIntyre]

Lead.

[Todd Erzin]

Lead. Right. His job is to get the votes. It's very simple. If we don't put this bill on the president's desk, we're not redistricting ourselves out of a House loss. And we're not Democrats and they're not us, so it won't matter. Do you think. Do you think? You know, I know it. They'll only win the house by one or two votes and won't be able to send an impeachment trial to the Senate. Right.

[Aaron McIntyre]

That is not.

[Todd Erzin]

Of course that's not true. Of course it's not true. They could have a one seat majority and you're gonna think it's suddenly the California state legislature. Day one, Day one. So this isn't. Well, I mean, we might have had a historic 30 seat loss, but because we did this redistricting thing, we're Only, we only have a, you know, they only have a five or six or seven seat majority. It doesn't. It doesn't. It doesn't matter. As the Rock used to say, it doesn't matter. It doesn't matter. They're not like us. We have to have superhuman majorities. We need eight out of nine Supreme Court justices minimum, probably what, 80 senators, would you say? Maybe 80? And at least 300 House members. At least a 300 to 135 advantage, don't you think?

[Daniel Horowitz]

Slightly.

[Todd Erzin]

You're looking at me. I'm only slightly exaggerating.

[Aaron McIntyre]

Keep going.

[Todd Erzin]

All right. To, to do the things that we talk about on shows like this and networks like ours, those would the, those would be the margins we'd have to have. Dude, if they have a one seat majority in the House next year, it's going to look like MSNBC just rehired Joy Reed. Okay, I think we all know this. Facts doesn't matter. It doesn't matter. I mean, they're sprinting to Gamora, same speed. It's just a matter of how many people are sitting there on the relay team catching the baton. Okay, but the result of the race is not in doubt. Who, how many people might be running? It might be, but the result of the race is not in doubt. This is a pass fail exercise. You either have the majority or you don't. There will be no wiggle room. Negotiating leverage points, pressure. Precisely, by the way. Not just because of how zealously cultic they are about their, their religion over there called, not cleverly masked camouflage as a political philosophy, but also by virtue of the fact that we have both sides gerrymandered this thing so very hard. There just isn't that many Kirsten Cinemas and Joe Mansions left in either party. Well, I'm sorry, in their party, we apparently have like 30 of them. All right, but in their party, there's, there's not that many leverage points over there left. Everything's been gerrymandered out. That's why there's so few toss up districts, maybe 20 right now at the most. So that's failure theater from John Thune. His job is to get the votes. That's the job. He's the leader.

[Steve Dace]

Are you sure it's not House majority? I'm sorry, Senate majority. New boy. Senate majority leader.

[Todd Erzin]

Right. It's leader. Correct. His job is to get said votes. So that's all theater.

[Daniel Horowitz]

And

[Todd Erzin]

I'm trying to figure out why in the world Rand waited until the day after. I mean, this guy couldn't testify last week. Maybe there's something, I don't know. Couldn't get it on the docket, couldn't get it on the schedule. But to have this guy come forward the day after the Anthony Fauci deadline passes, I, I. Help me. Can't help me on this one.

[Aaron McIntyre]

Can't.

[Todd Erzin]

I mean, I want to give ran maximum benefit that out because he's been one of the best we've had on the COVID issue basically from the very beginning. Okay. So I'm trying to. They're, they're, they're. I'm, I'm going to just assume because I think on this he deserves benefited out there must be something I don't know that none of us know or we're not aware of in terms of scheduling procedure. But to have this come the day after the statute of limitations runs out on the 11th, I, I just think that's a bad look, that all being said, I don't know what is stopping individual states for going after this. I mean, I, I would think individual states would have, like, if, if I was James Uthmeyer in Florida, who's an outstanding state attorney general, for example. I mean, my state, with my governor, helped lead the pushback, the resistance against fauciism. So, I mean, I, I would think states that were pressured to implement any of these policies, or actually did, to now find out from a whistleblower that the whole thing was a scam from the very beginning. The whole thing was an op, a gaslighting op from the very beginning. I mean, I have no idea what is stopping a state from going after this on their own merits. Well, just file this in a state court.

[Aaron McIntyre]

Every time I look at my ex feed, Fox News itself is trying to change the Overton window back to panic porn by telling you, like, every hantavirus story. And there's an ambulance somewhere. So there's a lot going on on that front. Steve,

[Todd Erzin]

can we talk. Can I just ask you a question about Maha for a second? I'll get back to the theater conversation. But since we're here, who do we trust on the Maha space? I mean, I have friends who have, and I've seen their post online who have dramatically different takes on Marty Macri or Makari. I still to this day don't know how the last name is pronounced.

[Daniel Horowitz]

Okay.

[Todd Erzin]

Or pronounced both ways. I have people that are, and they're both like in their, and they're, and they're hardcore Maha people have like, tremendously different views on him. And I, and I honestly see this within Maha a lot. Okay. I've seen this on the Casey and Cali means thing, which is irrelevant now because she couldn't get the votes because of Bill Cassidy to be Surgeon General. So. Do I just not pay enough attention because I'm having a hard time figuring out who Maha unites behind. There does seem to be a lot, at least within the social media following that I have on Maha online. There can be a wide chasm of opinion on the same exact people.

[Aaron McIntyre]

Oh, for sure. I mean, think about what it's going through denominationally right now. I mean, really, that's okay.

[Daniel Horowitz]

Okay.

[Aaron McIntyre]

Different, different personalities, different charisms. I mean, that's what's happening right now. It's not unique to Maha. You're very right to point out within the specificity of what's going on right now with Makari and how, you know, we don't. It's. He lasted how long? By the time he finally got confirmed, you know, people like about a year. Yeah, you're not that this is, this is how you take a promising to use, you know, a football program, Steve, you know, on the way up and then instantly you have no continuity amongst staff or players even. This is how you just end up flatlining.

[Todd Erzin]

All right, so Thune is doing failure theater, bringing forth this Covid whistleblower the day after Anthony Fauci is statute of limitations run that runs out on perjuring himself before the Senate. That is some form of theater. Is that too harsh? I don't think it's that too hard. It's too harsh at all. It's some form of theater.

[Aaron McIntyre]

Yeah. I think probably the most likely is that maybe Rand was told we're working on it and Flet just flat out lied to and Rand said, okay, I'm going to give you until the date to show me, but after that I hope the best case scenario from a Rand Paul perspective is that, you know, and he can't do it any, anything about it anyways. But if, if you don't give me an indictment before then, I'm going to burn the house down. I hope we see the beginning of absolutely burning the house down like Rand Paul's finest hour.

[Todd Erzin]

And again, this, this story is just. Let me say again, speaking of theater, I, I, I don't fault anybody who trust absolutely Jack and friggin squat that our intelligence community claims. I don't if, if your opposition to Operation Epic Fury is, I don't trust any assessment from our intelligence community. You know, who's going to argue against you won't be this guy. I. I have no. I can't give you a credible reason why you would. I mean, I, I don't. You know, I don't see how they have any credibility as an entity whatsoever, which is that bad?

[Aaron McIntyre]

That's really bad.

[Todd Erzin]

It's not a great thing. Right? Not a great thing. When the folks that you are in, the institutions that you are trusting to see threats before they manifest in front of you, you can't trust them to not be the threat isn't a great place to be. Right.

[Aaron McIntyre]

It is not.

[Todd Erzin]

Not a real limited hangout. You want to join? Hang out?

[Aaron McIntyre]

No.

[Todd Erzin]

No, but it's where we are. Am I. Am I overstating where we're at over the. Over the last 20 years? Name an institution that has been more consistently. Well, that we already. That we had some trust for. People were already in mass distrust of the media 20 years ago. All right? So people, people, people have been in mass distrust of lawyers 20,000 years ago. Okay? And politicians. Name an institution in the last 20 years that has suffered more of a credibility hit than the intelligence community has.

[Aaron McIntyre]

And what's terrible is that what can simultaneously be true is that it's that. And that's the reason why it's so hard to get rid of it. Because their job is secrets. People are saying, just get rid of the CIA. I totally understand that sentiment.

[Todd Erzin]

What.

[Aaron McIntyre]

What happens to those people and their secrets then?

[Todd Erzin]

I mean, if you. If we found out later that this Covid whistleblower was himself an op. All right, y' all come forward. Now that the gather in order to try to restore some in the ic, we're now going to admit it now that the statutes run out. You see what I'm saying? If you found out later that he himself was an op. It was an. That the, The. The. The exposure of the op was the op. Would it shock you?

[Aaron McIntyre]

It's Joe Pishy riddles inside.

[Todd Erzin]

And it would not. It would not shock me at all. No. You know, so I. I don't blame anybody. You're not going to see me push back on anybody ever. Well, at least not for the foreseeable future. Whose position is, I don't want to involve myself in any of these conflicts because I don't trust any assessment my intelligence community offers me at that point. Tip the cap. I bid you good day, sir. I've got nothing. I have. I have no comeback today. I don't. I can't blame you for that whatsoever. I can't.

[Aaron McIntyre]

Which is a position. I know you love Being, you know, I love that.

[Todd Erzin]

I do, I do, I do.

[Aaron McIntyre]

Very calming for you.

[Todd Erzin]

It is.

[Aaron McIntyre]

Makes you serene.

[Todd Erzin]

I do. Let's talk about what's also theater. But the main character may not. May be so far gone, he may not understand that he's really been in the Truman show this entire time. Of course, I'm talking about the man of the perpetually furrowed brow, Mike Pence. Aaron, do you, can you hearken back to. Thank you. Aaron, can you hearken back to this era that you recall these salad days that you remember? You're in your 30s now. Get your own family. You're a productive American. Can you recall back to the halcyon days when we were a party that stood on conservative principles? Can you just go ahead and pinpoint that for me in your lifetime that you can recall when that was? Go ahead.

[Steve Dace]

I believe the beginning was February 30th of. 1996. That was the beginning of these Halcyon events.

[Todd Erzin]

February 30th. And of course, we've been commemorating February 30th for that event ever since. Everyone knows this.

[Aaron McIntyre]

Has anybody told him that he didn't even stand for those principles?

[Todd Erzin]

Well, let's get to that.

[Aaron McIntyre]

Is that where you're going on?

[Todd Erzin]

Yeah, let's get to that.

[Aaron McIntyre]

Wow.

[Todd Erzin]

I mean, we are about three weeks away from my 20th anniversary working in politics full time. And when I got in here, I mean, I grew up, man, I was a Hulkamaniac saying my prayers, eating my vitamins, right? I read and listened to the Rush Limbaughs, Mark Levins, Glenn Becks. I was a true believer. And when I got into this, I thought I was getting into this to fight for those conservative principles that Pence claims we've stood for for five decades. And then in about 10 minutes, I became Matthew McConaughey's character in True Detective. I've. I'm bug eyed and I'm just, I'm just burning heaters to keep my heart rate down. I mean, that it was very clear. There's really no traditional conservative principles here. We, we put them in our shows, we wrote them in our books, but when it came down to actually doing the elected and the governing, that's not what's happening here on any reasonable stretch. Let me just look at Mr. Pence as an example. For example. For example, Devoted Christ follower, man of principle, he had an opportunity. The universe granted him one heck of an opportunity. In the middle of a Final Four, which was being hosted in his home state, he had an opportunity at the nascent stage to frankly, well, to use their own terminology, abort the Rainbow Jihad, while it was still in the crib, could have done that. His state passed a Religious Freedom Restoration act that was modeled specifically after what was passed in the Clinton administration when Chuck Schumer was the Democrat majority leader in the House. And it just simply said government can impose on people's privately and deeply held religious beliefs, get them to do things that religious beliefs tell them they're not supposed to do. That's all it said. Otherwise known as the First Amendment to the Constitution. But of course, the Rainbow Jihad, they went hard because they saw the opportunity, too. This is one of the biggest pop culture events in the country. We can. We can essentially shake this thing down faster than you can say, stonewall right here, right here. So they tried. And Pence, of course, man of principle, man of deeply rooted conservative principles in a state where about 85% of the legislature is Republican and it's not even possible for him to lose an election. Realizing that he had the wind at his back, he grabbed like Gandalf the Gray. He grabbed his staff, he dug in his heels and he pounced on the ground and yelled out to the rainbow Jihad, you shall not pass. Is that what happened?

[Aaron McIntyre]

No.

[Todd Erzin]

Oh, no, it's not what happened at all. He panicked, puckered, and a couple other P words I probably don't want me to use, and. And then came up with a solution that looked an awful lot like the final solution for religious freedom in Indiana. And when Family Research Council actually did an analysis of Pence's compromise, they were like, he'd have been better off just go ahead and just not doing RFRA at all. And this is worse. This is going to actually give the spirit of the age a Runway to sue people like us. That was their analysis. But this contagion was not relegated to one, the one and only Mr. Pence. There was, I'm suspending free market principles to save the free market. There was, what do you think of Harriet Myers as a Supreme Court Justice? There was, hey, I'm going to do a immigration amnesty bill with Ted Kennedy and John McCain and so on and so on. And remember that Tea Party way we had in 2010? And then those guys all got elected and became the biggest spending Congress in American history at the time. Remember that? That was cool. It was good times. Good times. That was great. Yeah. This time period that he is fantasizing and fetishizing never existed. Here's the thing. I really believe he believes that it. That it did. I don't think he's nearly as talented enough of a politician to just gaslight you like that. I. I think he really thinks all the world's a stage. He. He's been in the Truman show the entire time. He's the only one in the cast who just doesn't know the thing is rigged and scripted. He's the only one that doesn't know. And as much as Trump frustrates me, and I'm tired of hearing about going to China, and I'm tired of hearing about Iran, and so help me, if we do another Ukraine talk, I might just slit Todd's wrists. Okay, that all being said, I would vote for Donald Trump 10,000 more times before I voted for the likes of Mike Pence once more. And the people turned to Donald Trump because they saw what the folks like Pence really thought. Very deeply entrenched, principled conservatism. They got an idea of what they thought that looked like, and they're like, yeah, we don't want any of that. That's a scam. I'll say it before, I'll say it again. I've said it before, I'll say it again. Mike Pence is the poster child for the Christian male of the last generation. If you want to know precisely what happened to your country. Mike Pence is the poster child for the Christian male of this last era. Did a great job making sure he didn't notice any yoga pants when they walked in the room, but no good in any. Any kind of fight whatsoever. If that same woman was being assaulted by Islamists in the locker room or by trannies who invaded her bathroom, he'd be like, listen, not my fight, but listen as you're being assaulted and raped. Please, young lady, take comfort in knowing I didn't lust after you in my own heart. Good day, sir. That's Mike Pence, and that's the last generation. Just pious enough to be taken seriously, but no good in a fight. And if you train them how to use their weapons, they won't use them. And so they end up getting used against them. They were. They'd have been better off actually never being armed. That's the last generation of the Christian male. Imagine Ned Flanders, but take away everything about Ned that you might have liked. No pleasantness, no even small talk, and replace it with just all furrowed brown so it's none of the things about Ned Flanders you liked and all the things you didn't. And that is Mike Pence, and that's the last generation of the Christian male in total. And it's why we are where we are. More in a moment, The steve day show.

[Aaron McIntyre]

All right.

[Todd Erzin]

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[Steve Dace]

Oh, he surely does.

[Aaron McIntyre]

Yeah, I think mostly, yeah.

[Todd Erzin]

All right. Can we come up with any valid reasons why he thinks what he thinks, or is it as simple as I need? I'm kind of at my last lap around the track. I need to believe that I belong to something that mattered. And so I'm just going to shoehorn that narrative into, you know, into my medulla amlongada as hard as I possibly can, because I really just don't want to accept that I was an apparatchik for a movement that largely died when Ronald Reagan left the stage, or at least the death process was begun at that point.

[Aaron McIntyre]

No, I think it actually has something to do with what we discussed in yesterday's overtime and the sliding scale of demonic subjugation. I just think that that's a guy that he likes the lifestyle, he likes the money. He's surrounded by people that are just like that. He's not a one off. And we all know it, which is why we're talking about the problem of the church all the time.

[Todd Erzin]

So you're, you're kind of describing Pharisees.

[Aaron McIntyre]

Yes.

[Todd Erzin]

People that are bought into a narrative, so they can't possibly. And that narrative is profitable for most of them. So even if it's false, then. And it's staring. And the fact that it's false is staring them right in the face. The cost of weighing that consequence. They're just not one willing to pay. So nothing good comes from Nazareth. Is that essentially what you're saying?

[Aaron McIntyre]

That right. There is a very, very comfortable man

[Todd Erzin]

in his obliviousness, and that's how Christ described in many. That's a lot. They're comfortable and what they get away with and what they get to do. Which is why he said, listen, what they're teaching you is by and large the right stuff. So do what they say. But what did he also then tell them? Don't do what they do. I mean, there should be a movement of deeply entrenched conservative principles. We believe in deeply entrenched conservative principles. Yes, much. Everything I do every day is my best attempt to try to sustain those deeply entrenched conservative principles. Because I'm trying to conserve. That's the root word of conservative. I'm trying to conserve that which I believe human history, under the guidance of the sovereign will of God, has determined and revealed to be what's good, true and beautiful for the human condition. East of Eden. That's what makes me a conservative. I'm trying to conserve those things. But the idea that this was some kind of devout, refined, effective political movement, absolutely nothing could be further from the truth. I would argue the most conservative presidency in the time I've been allowed to vote in. Until Trump came into office, the most right wing presidency was Bill Clinton's second term welfare reform. You had to be off after two years. Three strikes and you're out crime laws. Pass the Defense of Marriage Act. And we had. That's the last time we balanced the budget in America. Could you imagine if we did? I mean, if we, if we, if we passed the toughest crime law in American history, the toughest welfare reform bill in American history, balanced the budget, all right, and said that only men can marry, that only, you know, one man can marry one woman at a time. I mean, if we did that like in the next 10 minutes, I mean, would you just faint at that point? What would you do? I mean, you. Would you literally just go home and have a celebratory lightsaber fight at that Point. I mean that almost seems incredible that we would even contemplate we would do such things. That was Bill Clinton. I just summed up Bill Clinton's second term. Oh yeah. I mean he got impeached because I mean he, you know, had oral sex with an intern and lied about it and then conspired to lie about it some more. But the, but the policy achievements I just gave you, those things all happened. We would consider that agenda pretty, pretty based today, would we not? Yeah, that was Bill Clinton's second term. So I have, I have, you know, to go back to the question, Aaron, that I asked you, I can answer it. The last time we were a party of deeply entrenched principles was the first and really the only time since I've been permitted to legally vote was the first six months of the Contract with America, the first half of 1995. And Newt and that Congress really did take over with a real agenda and really did attempt to do all of those things. They did. But then once that was exhausted and the Newt had a personal scandal, then the next speaker had a personal scandal. Then there was Bill Clinton's personal scandal. Once, once that initial six month was process had worked its way through and it was very much bogged down by the Senate. I can remember like it was Yesterday, it was 30 years ago. I can remember listening to Russia's show complaining about how slow Bob Dole Trent lot in the Republican Senate was back then. Why aren't they moving at the same pace as the House? It's like the great prophet David Byrne once. Same as it ever was. Same as it ever was. I mean Rush, the same thing I just said about John thune. I said 20, I said 10 years ago about ditch McConnell. Rush said 20 or 30 years ago about Shretlod and Bob Dole. Nothing changes. The names change. That's why a lot of people think the thing is scripted, rigged, unibrowed, uniparty, because not much changes. And every now and then someone gets in the executive branch that has a little urine and vinegar in them still and they attempt to do things unilaterally and that's essentially what Trump is. But then you run out and you exhaust what you can unilaterally do and you realize these guys in Congress aren't going to do anything and some of it is Trump's fault. We're being honest. He's endorsed too many of these people that are now trying to screw him.

[Aaron McIntyre]

Well, he picked Mike Pence.

[Todd Erzin]

He did pick him as his vp and then he put him in charge of the if there was ever a time for, if you truly had a biblical worldview, if there was ever a time for that to activate itself, it might have been when you were the head of the coronavirus task force. That's why the real instead, instead you were an absolute bitch simp for Debbie Burks and her bedazzled scarf that she should have been on trial for being hung by by now.

[Aaron McIntyre]

That's why the contrast in Aaron's montage, I know was overtly between Pence and the former first lady. But it was really about Mike Pence. Not Pence, J.D. vance and the former first lady. But that was really about J.D. vance and Mike Pence in there. In my estimation.

[Todd Erzin]

I don't always know what Trump is going to do. I know I'm not always going to like what he does. But you know what? I also know that he's actually going to do things. Go do something good to do something. Not always. In fact, I'm not even sure that, you know, it's a majority of the time, but at least it's a flip of a coin that it's. When he does something, it's going to be something I like. It's at least a flip of a coin. And then there's, there's better than that odds that if he does something I don't like and it starts not work that he'll stop doing it. Those aren't great odds. I don't know that we can necessarily sustain a republic on that, but they're way better odds than what I was getting from the folks like Mike Pence. Is that not the truth?

[Aaron McIntyre]

Very, very low.

[Todd Erzin]

And Trump has more than cleared it. Yes, which is why I'd vote for him 10,000 more times before I voted for the likes of Mike Pence once. This movement should have existed in our hearts and minds. Which is why folks like you and I was on your side of this equation for a long time growing up, before I got into this business. This is why you buy our books and listen to our shows now. And this is why I bought their books and listened to their shows then, because we, we did believe these things. And now many of the people that I grew up listening to or following or admiring, I've had a chance to either work with or meet and we all don't agree. But I can tell you I've not. I don't know that I've met one of them. How many of them have I come back? I'm sure there's maybe been one or Two. And if there have, let's not name them. Let me say that it's odd because I could tell you already, Steve, I. No, don't. Okay. I guess you're. I could see your light eyes light up. Yes, there have been a couple. Not right now. All right. But overall, how many times have I come back from, like, meeting or being around or working with some of the, like, major names that are so well known and come back, like, total fraud? Couldn't stand that person? I don't recall that that's really happened a lot in terms of movement people, do you? I'm sure it's happened a couple times because it's just human nature.

[Aaron McIntyre]

Yeah.

[Todd Erzin]

Now how many times have we had.

[Aaron McIntyre]

That sticks out to me now.

[Todd Erzin]

How many times we had that competition or conversation where I've come back from meeting these politicians? Oh, yeah, the ratio is way higher.

[Aaron McIntyre]

Yes.

[Todd Erzin]

Yeah. So, yeah, there's a movement of deeply entrenched conservative principles within us. But then when we elected people like Mike Pence. Mike Pence to be our proxies, to be our representatives here and, and take those deeply entrenched conservative principles with them into. Into public office, what happened? Furrowed browse happened. I've. I've done everything that I can. We simply don't have the votes. So foreigners will be voting for Democrats again in the next election. And there's nothing I can do here except run Elizabeth Warren's housing bill because apparently America is clamoring for more projects. So we're going to do that. That's often what we got, right?

[Aaron McIntyre]

Yes.

[Todd Erzin]

You're crying out the mouth of in between strokes, between stroke outs. You're crying is the most important issue in the world today. Right side paralyzed. Yeah, we got that. That's what we got. We got that. We got George W. Bush giving inaugural addresses where he equated Muhammad talking to a demon in a cave with Jesus's sermon on the Mount and Moses at Mount Sinai. We got that. That's what we got. That's what we got. We got Rachel Maddow crying, you know, like her, her, her, you know, first girlfriend broke up with her at Dick Cheney's funeral while we were like, I wouldn't be caught dead there. That's what we got. That's what we got, right. I mean, that's why I voted for Bush, Cheney, because I thought I was getting deeply entrenched conservative principles. I didn't know that I was going to get Rachel Maddow, who, you know, now looks like Ron Reagan Jr. I didn't know I was going to get her, you know, just weeping as if the earth turned to the moon turned to blood at Dick Cheney's funeral. Who would have predicted that 20 years ago? Right? That's what we ended up with, correct?

[Aaron McIntyre]

It is, yeah.

[Todd Erzin]

So I think maybe we should start asking questions like, is Mike Pence a sociopath? Because he's clearly created a reality that is his reality is every. His version of reality. It's every bit as divorced from reality as the left. It just has Bible verses. But why is he any different? He has a reality that doesn't. A version of reality that isn't real doesn't line up with reality. Why is he any different than the left?

[Aaron McIntyre]

Not at all. In fact, he's very much the same with them for another reason. Is that along with everything you said being true, it's now worse, now it's been put on steroids because now his brain's been busted by Trump just like so many others?

[Todd Erzin]

Correct? Yeah, that's a great point. All right, let's get to it. We'll get through a few now do the rest. Next segment, time to play some buy seller hold. You guys know how this work. Aaron has your submissions. We have yet to see them. Todd, upon them being revealed, you and I will decide, are we going to buy? We get to sell. Hold is an option, but it's only one that you take if you are a real punk. If you choose your hold, then you are sentenced to 20 years hard labor listening to Mike Pence regale you with tales of when we were a party of deeply entrenched conservative principles.

[Aaron McIntyre]

Well, if Aaron's hints are correct and the public has done its job, Steve's going to be pushed to take that hold on a number of occasions. Can you imagine how desperately he wanted to avoid talking about Odyssey? He actually went back after the break and said, let's talk about Mike Pencemore.

[Steve Dace]

If I do my job, if I do my job well, my next paycheck might be on February 30th.

[Todd Erzin]

Indeed.

[Steve Dace]

Let's go to Jonathan first, who's got a couple of Steve Day show memes. Said a few years ago, Steve was dodging demonic wasps. This year, appliances are throwing themselves at him. Based on last week's theology Thursday and Grok's odds of aliens, Steve has to watch his six. For those of you listening, there's a vending machine sneaking up behind Steve in this meme.

[Todd Erzin]

That picture is also about £30 ago, but I do love the graphic. And for those who wonder what the vending machine Means if you take the Kepler principle, the idea of wormholes or Einstein Rosencrans or Rosenstein Bridges, I can't remember what they're called. The understanding of dimensional travel. The theory relativity. You plug all those things into AI with the proximity of where the first closest place of life could be, which is trillions of miles away. The next galaxy is quadrillions of miles away. The odds that they would have been routinely visiting this planet without mass detection even if they have technology beyond ours, that technology worked perfectly every time. It never malfunctioned, it never crashed. There was never any error by anybody piloting these craft. All right. And so it completely escaped mass detection all these years. The super Grock told me it's the exact same odds that I would die by vending machine this year. That's where he got that. So yes. Bye. I loved it.

[Steve Dace]

Of course by yeah, of course gave me an idea. I might install the vending machine out in the garage. Just two customers, just you and Todd. But I think that's a good idea. Watch. You pay me more money.

[Todd Erzin]

You bet.

[Steve Dace]

As you put your coins into the machine. Let's go to this one. Jonathan also has this. I don't really understand it but it has me. So just self serving. I guess maybe Helenus of Sparta, Transvestite supreme of Greece would easily outperform the nonsense Chris Nolan is filmed in the Odyssey. It's got me.

[Todd Erzin]

It's got you as the tranny I see in the corner. Yes.

[Steve Dace]

So maybe this wasn't quite as self serving as I thought.

[Aaron McIntyre]

It all works though. It all works. Bye

[Steve Dace]

Todd. I mean sorry Steve, your thoughts?

[Todd Erzin]

It works but I can't buy on a. I can't give the train anything any credibility. But it works. I will sell. But it works.

[Steve Dace]

SoCal conservative says Ellen Page as Achilles will be the Achilles heel of Nolan's career.

[Aaron McIntyre]

A sell.

[Steve Dace]

I did see a community note that this has not been confirmed. She is in the movie but.

[Aaron McIntyre]

Well even if it's not that there's all kinds of casting choices that yeah look sketchy here but I don't think it's going to be necessarily the is there of his career because he's just for several reasons and because people have so low standards on implementing standards that they'll just you know, the next fanboy thing comes along. It's in Hill.

[Todd Erzin]

Is there a chance he's Peter Jackson himself And remember what happened when Peter Jackson kind of broke free on his own after Lord of the Rings kind of made it and tried to make that King Kong movie and it was just an overly indulgent mess. Right. Is it possible now, you know, he's broken free from Warner Brothers. He's with Universal now. They're letting him do literally whatever he wants, however he wants to do it, no matter what it costs. Is it possible that he's going to Peter Jackson himself? And then Jackson keeps trying to make Hobbit movies and like, none of them are good because he took a book in one book and tried to make it four films and at most maybe it should have been two. Right. Is it, is it possible or like Tucker, we're never going to have Tucker with Rupert Murdoch ever again. That combination was great.

[Aaron McIntyre]

He's never, he hasn't shown woke tendencies before that. I know none. Which is why my hope, he was

[Todd Erzin]

demanding the theaters reopen during COVID My

[Aaron McIntyre]

hope is that he's actually imploding it intentionally to make a point that he's in on this whole thing. He's doing it.

[Todd Erzin]

I think it's a troll.

[Aaron McIntyre]

Yeah.

[Todd Erzin]

Here's a wrapper that we're going to turn into. I didn't, I don't even know who this rapper was.

[Aaron McIntyre]

Yeah, a very expensive troll. That would be awesome.

[Todd Erzin]

Buy, seller, Hold. Coming up, more next. All right, back here with hour two live and on demand on Blaze TV, radio and podcast alongside Todd Erzin and Aaron McIntyre. I'm Steve Dase. Let us know what you think about what we think via the stevedace.com inbox. You can do that by emailing the show. Steve, Steve dace.com that's D E A C E like us on Facebook, me, we and Gab. You can follow me at Steve Dacia1x Instagram and tick Tock. You can also subscribe to our YouTube channel at Day show on YouTube. That's at Day show on YouTube. And then if you don't mind, would love if you were a podcast listener, if you'd share your love with others. Right. Hit us up with a subscription by hitting subscribe or if you're on Apple itunes, follow that ensures every time we do a new episode, it's right there in your feed. Every single time. Then you can also, by the way, leave us a five star review. Really would appreciate one of those as well. This part of the show and thanks to all of you, tens of thousands of you have left us one of those. So thank you. This part of the show brought to you by our friends over at Jevity, which is short for longevity. Right. Want to make sure that you are as healthy and active as you as long as you can possibly be. And that's what they're all about at Jevity. And you might be thinking, I'd love to be about that life, but it's too expensive. I don't have time. I'll get to. I don't even know where to start. They're going to help you with all of that. All right, first of all, they launched a new free tier. So it could just be as simple as why don't you take your last blood work, upload it into their app, and one of their folks will come back to you and go through your labs, what they mean, and offer you a custom longevity blueprint that you can decide to follow. Or you might say, I don't know about that part, but I'll do the other. Totally up to you. All right. Totally within your control. I saw something Rob Schneider said the other day. I thought, that'll preach right there. That's very profound. All right. That both. The first and last frontier of your freedom is your own body. The first and last frontier of your liberty is your own body. If you don't have. If you don't have autonomy over your own body, then you're not free on the front nor on the back end. And you want to make sure you're a good steward of that body that God gave you as well. So get started today. I have been working closely with Jevity for a couple of months now. I was very impressed with the. The blood panel, the level of data that they gave me. I'm on my second week now on their supplement program, and I was already a big supplement guy. All right, so you can start for free and then if you decide you want to stick [e-mail] Dace, use the code DACE. They'll give you 20% off. Go Jevity. G-E-V I T I gojevity.com Code DACE for 20 [e-mail] Code Days. All right, Daniel Horowitz is going to take us inside politics here at the bottom of the hour. But let's get back some buy seller hold. We'll go through all these submissions, as many as we can. What remains we will do in the overtime today for Blaze TV subscribers. You can make sure you don't miss that or any of the rest of the great content we do each day here at the Blaze. Become a subscriber today. Get $20 off at BlazeTV.com days by using the code DACE for the discount code days. For the discount, $20 off your annual subscription at BlazeTV.com DACE code DACE Aaron.

[Steve Dace]

We have more political and worldview stuff coming up next or later on. But first, some more pop culture. C. Smith says Disney has lost the ability to write likable female characters. All the females in the TV series or movies are either girl bosses or Mary sue characters. The more females in Disney shows, the worse the show becomes. Buy seller hold.

[Todd Erzin]

I don't disagree with this. I don't. And I don't just think that's a Disney problem, by the way. I think this is. This is. This is in a lot of places. I mean, either they're whores, girl bosses. I mean, it's almost like they're not characters anymore. We've just got to have female tropes represented rather than layered characters. All right? Rather than a Princess Leia who could be both, you know, follow me to freedom there, trying to escape, you know, being pinned down in the corridor of the prison wing of the Death Star to needing comforting and needing the assurance as a woman from either her husband or her brother. I mean, that's. That's largely missing from a lot of the characters, not just at Disney, but in a lot of places these days.

[Aaron McIntyre]

I will buy this is true, but there is an absolute yin yang relationship to the degree that men are addicted to this genre and only feeding an addiction and not using this to inspire their real lives, this is inevitable. If you don't plan on being a hero on any level, as a dad, a husband in your own life, you just want the dopamine hit of this genre of movies. It's guaranteed you will be cucked just like this with these kinds of characters and these kinds of storylines. So look yourself in the mirror if you don't like it.

[Todd Erzin]

I mean, Amy and I tried watching a show. Do you remember the case Scarpetta books, detective books from the 90s? They were very, very popular. Remember these at all? So Amy and I tried watching a series on Amazon with Nicole Kidman, and we thought the trailer looked compelling. And Amy's always been a big mystery fan. Okay? And this is an example. We lasted halfway through the first episode because here's the. Here's the life that the lead female character allegedly lives. All right? She is an Alpha, well into her 50s and 60s now. She's an alpha dog, forensics examiner, Sherlock Holmes type of, you know, case cracker. Right? Her husband, who she met when he was a detective and one of the cops in one of her first cases, is now kind of a retired cop and totally happy being Mr. Mom and fitting her needs and, you know, being stunt phallus when she needs one of those, and making sure that her emotional needs are constantly met. Okay. And driving around her family members and playing chauffeur. All right, her sister, her daughter, she. She adopted a daughter who is in a. In a. In a lesbian relationship long distance. Her sister is very wealthy, married into wealth, and then ended up marrying a younger guy. I mean, this isn't real life. You know what I'm trying to say?

[Aaron McIntyre]

Yeah.

[Todd Erzin]

They just created a series of tropes of what they think the ideal female life is for a woman of this age. It's not a character, it's a construct. Totally different thing. It's not a real. No one's real life is like this. No one's real life would possibly check. All of these various represent. Human life is way murkier, way messier. Human nature is. It's. This was like if an AI or algorithm said, hey, what would a ideal progressive female character in her late 50s, early 60s from the professional world look like? This is what it would be, what it would spit out or humanities class at a university. But it's not real. It's not real humanity.

[Aaron McIntyre]

Totally agree. But this, as I mentioned on the show before, and I know Aaron knows what I'm talking about, they did this thing with AI where they asked AI to reproduce a picture of a basic white girl, and it kept the exact same picture.

[Todd Erzin]

It was me with pumpkin spice.

[Aaron McIntyre]

And by the end, pretty close. But even if it was you with pumpkin spice at the end, you would look like a black woman, because that's what it did to this. It kept moving the race of the person further and further when it was. All it had to do was reproduce the exact same picture. Yet people are saying we just did it on the show, which is why I pushed back a little. AI Is inevitable if we just think it's inevitable. If we never get off the wheel, it's going to give us garbage. It promises, but we keep coming back. Either we take agency back or we get slop, Steve. It's that simple.

[Steve Dace]

Next, we're going to go to Tyler Small, who says the Star wars original trilogy is loved by millennials, Gen X and Boomers. For the memorable characters, groundbreaking special effects, sound effects, soundtrack, and cool ships. The prequel trilogy is loved by millennials and Gen Z for the toys, video games, TV shows, sound effects, CGI world building, and Yoda flipping around with a laser sword. That's kind of accurate.

[Todd Erzin]

I don't think that's Inaccurate. I also don't think that that's kind of like any kind of a cultural statement. I mean we could have done I. If we had the ability to do buy seller hold in the summer of 1987 or 1986 compared to 2026 and I. And, and the proposition was Boomers love. Can you put that one back up there again, Aaron? Back up there again?

[Steve Dace]

Oh, sorry, I already moved on one second.

[Todd Erzin]

Okay, what, what, what's the generations he says he talks about there?

[Steve Dace]

So the original trilogy, Millennials and Gen X.

[Todd Erzin]

Okay. If, if we put a proposition up there that it said Boomers and the Silent Generation loved the Planet of the Apes and 2001 A Space Odyssey because of the cultural political subtext that it used fantastical worlds in order to speak to larger truths that were germane to the era in which they lived. And then the Millennials, Gen Xers and love Star wars for the groundbreaking. You see what I'm trying to say? Every generation could do this to the next generation to some degree. Everyone could. So if the attempt there is to say that somehow, you know, what they looked for was some kind of more soulless enjoyment out of it than we got out of it, we could play this game with just about anything going back over that's part of the human condition, is to think the next generation is going to be the ruin of us all. Okay. And has lost some heart and soul that we somehow found and discovered. And we do that sometimes forgetting that we're largely responsible for what the next generation is because they come from us.

[Aaron McIntyre]

Yeah, Steve makes a good point.

[Steve Dace]

All right, going on to.

[Todd Erzin]

Aaron, I'm sorry I keep doing that to you. I apologize. Well, because you're always moving on and then I want to go back. I'm sorry.

[Steve Dace]

Well, shouldn't I know better than this point by this point than to do that? Let's go to Alex. The appointment of Bishop Evilio Minerva Ayala in West Virginia is more likely to turn West Virginia Catholics into anti immigration Protestants than open borders Catholics.

[Todd Erzin]

I think it's certainly more likely to get them to vote for immigration Protestants than open borders Catholics. I'll at least vote for that.

[Aaron McIntyre]

I accept your point.

[Todd Erzin]

So I, I mean, if I wanted. Let me put it this way, I've talked about. If I was trying to divide the white evangelical base, if I was the devil trying to con. Concoct a means and a figure by which I do that, why would, would I, what would I be doing differently than what Tucker Carlson is currently doing? Right. Okay. If I was Trying to make it sure that there were literally no more Catholics left in any red state in America. What would I be doing differently than this Pope is doing? What would I be doing differently?

[Aaron McIntyre]

Well, I see your point.

[Todd Erzin]

He's a negative recruitment tool. I mean, if you're online, if you're in the Catholic prot wars online and you're on our side and you're doing anything other than just sharing statements and clips from this Pope, what are we even doing? Do you even online troll, bro? I mean, what are we even doing here? I call as witness against the church, the Pope just. I just call this Pope up. I mean, he's these best. He's the greatest resource material you have. I mean, we're talking about this tomorrow. I mean, honor, honorary diplomat, the Iranian ambassador. What are we doing here? What? What are we doing here? I used to joke. It was somewhat of a joke. It was obviously I was illustrating absurdity by being absurd. Remember I used to joke that Pope Francis was like the papal caricature in the Left behind books. He wasn't quite that. We're there now, now. It's not even a caricature. It's an imitation. This guy is an imitation of the papal character in the Left behind books.

[Aaron McIntyre]

Well, this is why it's a blessing to have a 2000 year old church that can endure the 15 year long papacy. So.

[Todd Erzin]

And endure. You guys are.

[Aaron McIntyre]

Oh, trust me, endure.

[Todd Erzin]

You're gonna have to.

[Aaron McIntyre]

Yeah.

[Todd Erzin]

This guy's a piece of work. Yeah.

[Steve Dace]

Next is Michael, who has this. James Carville will be voted People magazine's Sexiest man alive before Steve speaks at cpac.

[Aaron McIntyre]

Yep, solid reasoning.

[Todd Erzin]

You know, I keep forgetting. Did I tell you guys that Mary Matlin reached out to us at Christmas? Yes, that was why that DM is still sitting in mine. And I keep forgetting to respond back. And she sent me like a eight paragraph note remembering, you know, when we got to know each other, when she was on the Fred Thompson campaign in Iowa. And you know. Yeah, because I just got her. I just heard that you were talking about some of my husband's crazy comments. You know, I'm just kind of divorced from politics these days. I keep forgetting to respond back. I need to do that. Is there a moment where you've waited too long to respond? What's the ruling on that?

[Aaron McIntyre]

Yes. And it happens.

[Steve Dace]

Yeah, Sid.

[Todd Erzin]

So am I like the Fauci statute of limitations that passed?

[Aaron McIntyre]

Pretty much.

[Todd Erzin]

Should I not respond now? Is that what you guys are telling me, or is this a question to ask a woman? Frankly, Would a woman have a better read on this?

[Steve Dace]

Do not reply to her right now.

[Aaron McIntyre]

No, do not.

[Steve Dace]

Do not.

[Aaron McIntyre]

I don't think a woman would have a better read.

[Todd Erzin]

Well, I mean, listen, they care more about these interpersonal dynamics than we do this guy.

[Aaron McIntyre]

That's why they want to necessarily have a better read, because they care more.

[Todd Erzin]

Okay, I got you.

[Aaron McIntyre]

It's important in this to care.

[Todd Erzin]

Have you seen the comedic routine where the guy goes out golfing with his buddy who just got divorced, is the first time he's seen him since he got divorced? He goes out golfing with him to see how he's doing. Wife left him. He seen this one.

[Aaron McIntyre]

Right.

[Todd Erzin]

Okay. And he comes back after being out there with him for 18 holes for three hours, and his wife is like, hey, how's he doing? You know, I've been really worried about him. After his wife left him, he kind of went off the grid. You know, I was glad to see that he called. You go golfing. You know, what's he doing? He's like. And her husband. I don't know. I mean, is he seeing somebody? I have no idea. Just like. I mean, is he dating anybody? I mean, is she keeping up with the visitation with the kids? So he's still connected with them and we never got any of that. And the wife's like, what did you. You were out there for, weren't you out there for like, four hours? Yeah. Yeah. What are we doing? Just playing golf. That is very true. That is. That is. That is very much. That's only a slight exaggeration. That is pretty much what guys are like, which is why I may need a female opinion on whether to respond to Mary Mallon. Because you guys would have been okay if, like, never would have responded, like, ever. Because we're guys. We don't care. Right.

[Aaron McIntyre]

Well, there's. I mean, there's a middle ground.

[Todd Erzin]

I agree that approaching Memorial Day and finally responding to a message you received before Christmas, I agree that it's at least. The milk's at least becoming cottage cheese. I admit that that's. Mary, I forgot to respond you for five months, but I just saw another crazy thing your husband said, so I thought it was about time that I went ahead and returned this dm. No, that's. That's a bad. That's a bad look.

[Steve Dace]

Hi, Mary. We spent five minutes talking about you on our show.

[Aaron McIntyre]

Yeah, that's right. You didn't have to say any of this. That's the real tragedy here. You just kept talking, didn't have to do one second of it.

[Todd Erzin]

Oh, man, I'm sorry. Is this on? Has this been on the whole time? My mistake.

[Steve Dace]

All right, Doug Catbird is next. South Carolina not being able to redistrict is completely on brand for the state that represented by Graham Scott Mason.

[Todd Erzin]

Bye bye, bye, bye bye. If you are shocked at South Carolina was not going to redistrict.

[Daniel Horowitz]

I thought that with the red estate

[Todd Erzin]

in the union thief. If you're shocked, I present to you 30 years of Senate primary results. All right. From the Palmetto State, we're curiously, unperpetually unmarried bachelor Lindsey Graham wins time after time. Cyndi Lauper. You bet. If you're shocked, go unfurl Mike Pence's brow. Have a day, kid. Yeah. And return Mary Matlin's DMs a lot quicker than I did. While you're at it, be a human being for once.

[Steve Dace]

Danic Bain says American attention spans are so short, there's still time to win the midterms deal with Iran. World Cup America 250 Republican midterm convention. Then football and the normies will fall. Forget.

[Todd Erzin]

I don't disagree with this fundamentally and I'm sure that if we could have, like, if we put the Wonder Woman lasso of truth around Trump and said, when are we going to start talking about our own country? I guarantee you this is what he would say. Two things, I think if we put the Wonder Woman lasso of truth around him, he would say, I'm tired of dealing with those. Choose an expletive members of Congress. And at least I know in foreign policy I can kind of just do whatever I want when I want. But I think he would also say, I'm trying to do this outside in. All right. I'm trying to make sure I lock down where we stand globally and economically and financially, and then we're to come back home and the rest of the time after these situations have been dealt with, we're not voting right now anyway. No one's voting for five more months anyway. For five more or four more months because of early voting anyway. So, yeah, that is what I might. I'd be, I, I'm pretty confident that's what he would say and stop being a panic. And I'm pretty sure that would be his answer. Whether we can pull that off or not is different. But you're, you're probably aligned with what's going on inside the brains of Donald Trump. James Blair, Susie Wiles pick the team member. It's probably what they're thinking. So I'll Buy a bunch of.

[Aaron McIntyre]

I'll buy on that. If you're. If all you're talking about is the one. If you want to put the emphasis on attention spans. But when it comes down to this particular election at this particular time and the particular issues that affect people the most, the one that it's not a matter of attention span, it's just kicking you in the groin on a regular basis is how much gases. Because I've talked with multiple people and quite frankly, myself. This is insane.

[Steve Dace]

The prices.

[Aaron McIntyre]

Yes.

[Steve Dace]

Do you know what I did last week, Todd? I dropped my bike that I haven't really used in five years. I dropped it off at the bike shop and I'm going to start taking that in as often as I can just because it's ridiculous. And also, I really want to ride my bike again. There's that hammer. Ojustice says Candace Colt of suburban women are a greater threat than Candace herself.

[Todd Erzin]

Oh, I don't disagree. I'll buy. I will completely buy. Because if they'll just be there for the next Candace. Okay,

[Aaron McIntyre]

again, who sent this? Aaron Ammer o'.

[Steve Dace]

Justice.

[Aaron McIntyre]

Okay, this is the second time where this has been an anonymous likely dude complaining about women. I get it. But on your end of things, what are you doing? How are you living? Are you worthy of a good woman?

[Todd Erzin]

All right, let me do it this way. Steve Dace offers Candace's cult of suburban QAnon. Women are more dangerous than Candace herself. Todd, are you going to buy that or. That's my submission. You're buying that or selling it under my own name. D, E, A, C, E. Say it, don't spray it.

[Aaron McIntyre]

I'm saying it's just. I'll buy it, but it's also too easy. Like it's not. There's a whole population of basic. I mean, I, I. You can't blame everybody for the fact that you're an incel it it everybody while you have agency being by definition a man, it's not a leisure pursuit. All right? And it's just too easy to do nothing all day but complain about the chicks behind the gas and sip. Okay, that 80s movie was a laugh track and a cautionary tale. Then your conscious choice now is pretty lame too.

[Todd Erzin]

Okay, by the way, the ladies are starting to weigh in and say I should respond to Mary Madeline just as a point of order, what ladies are saying, the connection is, you know, use your, use your sense of humor. I wasn't aware that I had one. But the, you know, they even now the problem is their caveat is to try to be charming when doing so. And I think we both, we all three know that I am incapable of such a thing.

[Steve Dace]

Dear Mary, we talked about you for five minutes on the show today. I'm wearing Crocs.

[Todd Erzin]

What about you?

[Aaron McIntyre]

This is turning into the thing where you left a. There's a whole bit on this. You leave a message on an answering machine and it gets cut off and you're not happy with it. You see, you keep calling and pretty soon you're a stalker and you've got 10 times three.

[Todd Erzin]

Yes.

[Aaron McIntyre]

So just see in your.

[Todd Erzin]

Listen, how about I just. How about I just go back with this trucker Glock. Who wants some? How about I just start with that?

[Aaron McIntyre]

How about you reply to her and say, hey, Mary, this is hammer of justice. See, it's absurd. Hammer of justice says chicks, man. You kind of lost me right away because you're hammer of justice.

[Steve Dace]

No, it's hammer. Oh, justice, not of justice. Oh, justice. O apostrophe to the top. Justice.

[Todd Erzin]

Oh, that was.

[Steve Dace]

Thank you.

[Todd Erzin]

Thank you for your submission. Ham roll Justice.

[Steve Dace]

Good timing for this submission as well, Doe. John Ryan says behind the scenes, Steve and crew frequently address one another as you ignorant.

[Todd Erzin]

Oh, that's absolutely true.

[Daniel Horowitz]

Yep.

[Todd Erzin]

And worse. Yes.

[Aaron McIntyre]

Yeah, for sure.

[Todd Erzin]

Yeah, it can. It can get a little heated in locker roomy. Off the air. Off the air. Yeah. There are times. In all seriousness, back to the skin. There are times I do ponder we should consider adding another female to the staff. We may need a little refinement at times. Yeah, it can get. It can get testy and CRO Magnony. Yes.

[Aaron McIntyre]

As soon as the anti croc dress code was put in, you'd fire that woman. So it doesn't matter.

[Steve Dace]

Ah, let's go to this. This is actually an old. An old submission that somehow made its way into my mentions again. And I missed it back when they submitted it and I thought it was decent, at least original. Rod sterling's blind spot. Mount Rushmore. Movie chases by decade. The 60s, Steve McQueen motorcycle. The Great Escape. 70s, Gene Hackman, Pontiac Le man or Le Mans. The French Connection.

[Todd Erzin]

That's a good poll right there.

[Steve Dace]

80s Ackroyd, Belushi, Bluesmobile.

[Todd Erzin]

There's better from that decade, but I like that reference.

[Steve Dace]

There's got to be a ton More from that 90s. This is a good furlong. Schwarzenegger motorcycles.

[Todd Erzin]

I like this.

[Aaron McIntyre]

I'm gonna have to.

[Todd Erzin]

I'm gonna buy. I like it.

[Aaron McIntyre]

I'm gonna have to sell. That's. There's chase scenes all Time. Chase scenes.

[Todd Erzin]

No, that reminds me. You know what we have to do. We forgot. We'll get to the rest of these submissions.

[Steve Dace]

Oh, I meant to. I meant to remind you during.

[Todd Erzin]

Yeah, we got to sell some books. I mean, I've got. America is relying on us.

[Aaron McIntyre]

That's because you got too much Mary Matlin on the mind, man.

[Daniel Horowitz]

Focus.

[Todd Erzin]

All right, let's focus. All right, let's. Let's remember the reason for the season as we count down to America's 250th. All right, we are 13 days away from the release of why Independence Day. Here's a preview.

[Steve Dace]

Every fourth of July, we light up the sky. We wave our flags, we celebrate. But if your kids asked you why, could you tell them the real story? It's a story that starts 3,000 years before 1776. A story most people have never heard told. This a miracle in the desert. A miracle on Christmas night. Commandments carved in stone, A constitution written on paper. What's the connection? This 4th of July, give your family the story they've never been told. The one that explains everything.

[Todd Erzin]

Sing. Pre order is available now for why Independence Day. America is great because God is good. And right now it is one of already 13 days before its release, it's a top 20 overall bestseller among children's new releases. All new release children's books on all of Amazon right now. So thank you guys very much for that. Pre order today. Why Independence Day? America is great because God is good. And Todd, you've got your countdown. I think we're on day three, top 10 moments leading up to America's independence. Would you pick for today?

[Aaron McIntyre]

Well, one of the first events for the proto Americans we spoke of yesterday to rally around on a broad national scale was the Great Awakening. It's a spiritual response to what was believed to be the excesses, distractions or complacency of the Enlightenment. The movement raised Methodists and Baptists to the forefront and encouraged a more intimate and personal religious experience between the individual and God. And as it largely rejected the idea of predestination from Puritan theology, a sort of early Manifest destiny kicked in in the souls of men. From the 1730s through the 1760s, as society's connection with God was democratized and ministers of the gospel became a much came from a much wider cross section of people. It was the Bible centered education of those people that gave them one of the highest literacy rates in the world by the time the era of the American Revolution rolled around, which also equipped them with the deep sense of Providential inspiration for the marriage of faith and freedom that was about to explode onto the world stage like never before. George Whitefield toured the nation saying things like this. As God can send a nation or people no greater blessing than to give them faithful, sincere and upright ministers, so the greatest curse that God can possibly send upon a people in this world is to give them over to blind, unregenerate, carnal, lukewarm and unskilled guides. And Jonathan Edwards paved the way for John Adams one day, saying the Constitution was for a moral and religious people and no other when he wrote. All the virtues which appeared in Christ shone brightest in the close of his life under the trials he then met. Eminent virtue always shows brightest in the fire. Pure gold shows its purity chiefly in the furnace. It was chiefly under those trials which Christ endured in the close of his life that his love to God, his honor of God's majesty, His regard for the honor of his law, his spirit of obedience, his humility, contempt of the world, his patience, meekness and spirit of forgiveness toward men appeared. Indeed, everything that Christ did to work out redemption for us appears mainly in the close of his life, here mainly in his satisfaction for sin, and here chiefly in his merit of eternal life for sinners. And here chiefly appears the brightness of his example which he has set before us for imitation. Yes, trials and fire were indeed coming for the American colonies due to the debt incurred from the French and Indian War. And that's where we had next.

[Todd Erzin]

And that absolutely, I mean, we had liberty on this continent because people learned where the spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty. And as we have further and further departed from that, we've had less and less liberty. Which is why we're revival or bust. And without awakening Great Awakening level revival, we're gonna go bust. And that's why we're doing more theology than ever before. And we already were. A biblical worldview show. And it turns out, and maybe the best news I can give you today is the number one according to the metrics that you guys give us. The number one content we produce that you guys respond to the most is the theology stuff. So there's clearly a hunger for it for sure. And we're happy to do our part to satisfy that. So get your copy today. Why Independence Day? America is great because God is good. It comes out on May 26, the day after Memorial Day. We're doing pre orders right now [e-mail] you guys have made it again. A top 20 best selling children's new release among all children's books at Amazon and we've only been pushing it for two days. So thank you guys very much for that. It's the completion of the trilogy on America's Christian heritage to go along with why Thanksgiving and why Easter? All right. Why Independence Day? America is great. Because God is good. We're doing pre sales right now at Amazon. May 26th. It comes out. Daniel Horowitz is going to join us here though, next. Stay tuned. The steve day show.

[Steve Dace]

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[Todd Erzin]

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[Daniel Horowitz]

I'm doing all right. Wednesday mornings always got a lot of

[Todd Erzin]

wound lamentation, especially after primary night. So we had primaries in two very Reliable red states last night, Nebraska and West Virginia, what trend lines, what came out of there? What do we learn?

[Daniel Horowitz]

Steve, I'm going to sound like a broken record. Every week at the high levels. Governor, Senate, Congress, anything above really State House, not even state Senate. It's going to be the status quo. Every deep red state is going to have the reelection of every bad Republican that doesn't agree with anything you and I believe in and 90% of the time with Trump support. So that continued with West Virginia, with the Senate race, with the congresswoman there, with all three Rhino congressmen in Nebraska and the governor and the senator who is so weak that he might be beaten by a guy running for independent. So that continued as we've seen. But when you get lower down to the extent we have somewhat of a movement, you get what you fight for. So last week you had Trump weighing in together with TP USA and others for redistricting. In Indiana Senate. We saw how in the Indiana House there wasn't much of an effort, so we didn't see much of a change. Well, this time it was flipped in the Indiana, in the West Virginia House, about nine Rhino incumbents were knocked out. And that's good news. The Senate was kind of a stalemate. Some of that is because we do have a conservative ish governor there who really did weigh in against some of these very liberal Republicans. So it did help. But I will say the momentum in the West Virginia Senate was blunted because there's a woman named Shelley Moore. Capito? Now, Trump put out a tweet this morning saying, I went nine to nothing in my endorsements. I batted a thousand and I saw a lot of MAGA guys retweeting it. And I'm thinking I've never seen this degree of cognitive dissonance. So it's very interesting. If you look at the MAGA Inc. Ecosystem right now, the water table, there's a lot of disquiet about the SAVE act, the Senate Republicans, the filibuster John Thune doing nothing. And then both federally and then some of the red state legislatures. Man, there's all these Rhinos. What's with the redistricting? All right, so that's, that's, that's positive. I'm all, you know, I'm not here to shame people that are late to the party. I want to resolve to do the right thing in the future. But then literally as the primaries are happening in those states, Trump comes in and endorses the very people doing that, like in Trump plus 40 states in West Virginia, Shelley Moore Capito is for gay marriage, for abortion, fiscal liberal, social liberal, full spectrum liberal. She's been there forever. She is sort of like Chuck Grassley level institution in the state of West Virginia, dating back to her father. But nonetheless, there was this guy, Tom Willis, he was a state senator, so not, not a nobody. He was a state senator from the Panhandle. Got crushed. Absolutely crushed. But you know what's interesting? He actually won outright, won his region in the Panhandle. Now that caught my attention. I'll tell you why. Because typically when you lose the incumbent, which you usually do by 30, 40

[Todd Erzin]

points, you lose everyone.

[Steve Dace]

You.

[Daniel Horowitz]

You lose uniformly. Yeah, right. So, for example, when my buddy Jim Carlin challenged Chuck Grassley four years ago, he lost every single county. Okay? No exceptions. But this guy, this guy won in, you know, a few of those counties in his district. And that tells me, because in those districts, those counties, he had name id. So they were even willing to go against such a fixed institution as Shelley Moore Capital. And that tells me that if Trump in an alternative universe and if TP USA would weigh in on the side of the conservatives that are both being challenged and challengers in all these states and sit down with Trump, I think there's a lot that we can do. There's a lot of raw materials there. But if we don't, we're going to get more of the same every Tuesday night.

[Todd Erzin]

What is, What's the candidate's responsibility? Because the reality is, I mean, Trump is a, is a known quantity. He's going to be 80 years old soon, so we're always going to be left asking, why did he do some of the things that he did? We know he's going to do things that are always in his own, for his own self interest first. Just so happens that a lot of times his self interest happens to align a lot more with what we think than what the other side thinks. And then there's plenty of times, though, when it doesn't. That's where we have this mysterious endorsement record, where he's endorsed some people that we, that are good. You said like, you know, it's a low number, but some people that are very good, who in past years probably could not have won without his endorsement, but then often doesn't do that at the exact same time because he's, I think he's just gauging his own, whatever, whatever he views to be his self interest at the time, trying for us to understand what that is from the outside in without being able to read his Mind sitting in on private meetings with the political team, we would at best be guessing my qu. What I'm wondering is once he is off the board, and he will be sooner than I think people understand, Father Time is undefeated. We, we, we. We really have one, one more at most election cycle where he essentially provides a signet ring to determine who wins, you know, these primaries. Right. So, so in terms of what will remain in place after he's gone, what can our people who want to run for these races in the future, what can they have learned from these environments that would make them suited to take advantage of whatever the future looks like once Trump exits stage left?

[Daniel Horowitz]

No, and I like the way you phrase that, because with Trump in, it's really, it's, it's near impossible.

[Todd Erzin]

I mean, listen. Well, it's not. We all know what the answer is. The answer is you have to get a Trump endorsement. How do you get a Trump endorsement? We don't know. Okay, so you don't know, but I have to get one. I mean, no one. No that. So it's, it's unknown. It's unknowable.

[Daniel Horowitz]

Yeah.

[Todd Erzin]

I mean, it's not even a common theme of genuflecting to Trump will get you the endorsement. He's endorsed a lot of these people who hate his guts and have made it pretty well known. You know, it just goes to show you, for example, in my home state, how obvious Randy Feenstra made it that he just hated Donald Trump's guts, that he's the only Republican incumbent in our state running that does not have the protection of a Trump endorsement because he made it way more obvious than needed to be that he put that, that Trump was like, screw that guy, all right? And left him out hanging in the, you know, hanging in the wash. So it's not even as simple as there's like a slurp ratio to get what you want. That doesn't necessarily even work. It's very random. And I think we just all have to understand this is the environment we're going to have in our primary cycle one more time after this. But when the future moves on and, and, and, and he, you know, it, he moves on from the stage. What is in place that people need to know if they want to go after more of these rhinos around the country.

[Daniel Horowitz]

So, so here's the thing. I think what a lot of people need to understand is that people, and I've seen this, I could write a book on this. It's abundantly clear to me. Republican voters, more so than Democrat primary voters do not vote for someone they don't know. Like you and I would be the type. If we have a Feinstra guy on the ballot, I'll vote for the name again. I don't care who he is. But people aren't like that, right? So increasingly, a congressional district is 800,000. Even some state senate seats sometimes are a few hundred thousand, depending on the state. And obviously statewide, depending on the state could be in the millions. It's extremely expensive. Where do you get money? This is the old problem. If you're running against wind, solar, data centers, illegal immigration, you're running for medical freedom. I mean, where are you going to get your money from if you're not independently wealthy? So I don't know if Aaron has, you know, the Nebraska map that I want to put up, because I think this informs. So I had my. On my show, this person, David Huebner, running against Adrian Smith. Adrian Smith is a typical rhino, kind of like Fiendstrom, been there for two decades, very, you know, establishment guy. This is the 80% land mass of Nebraska. So every, you know, 80% of the state, massive, massive district, 35%, a little bit above average. I had him on my show because there's something special about him. He was a border agent, he was a farmer, and he went in his truck and he traveled the district. Adrian had 1.4 million, he had 72,000, but it wasn't nothing. And he had a website, and he wasn't flaky and it was articulate, and he literally traveled. I put up that map. What I want your viewers to look at again, typically when you only get 35%, you lose every single county. He actually won at least like 20 there and got in the 40s in a number of them. He just couldn't reach out in such a big land mass. And again, Trump endorsed Adrian Smith there. So, anyway, my point is he did everything a person could do. He really did. You know, typically we're left with either zero challengers because of Trump's endorsement or some real weirdos, right? Or flaky guys. So I had him on because I felt there was some there there. And I think those Marjorie Taylor Greene

[Todd Erzin]

gets elected on Jewish space lasers, buys a house in Costa Rica and the year before, and then suddenly decides, I'm going to flake out and cash a check and leave Congress and move out of country. You know, stuff like that.

[Daniel Horowitz]

Exactly.

[Aaron McIntyre]

Yeah.

[Daniel Horowitz]

It all. It all gets back to Israel or something, or they're just, you know, they're just not campaigning. So this guy, I think you see in the results, that's actually very impressive. The top line doesn't look so impressive. But to 20 year incumbent to win all those counties that are in yellow, brown, gray, you know, that is.

[Todd Erzin]

Here's the thing he has to do, though. Here's what he hasn't done. He needs to do this again. All right, I've said this to several candidates in Iowa, all right? They ran in primaries against way better known and funded incumbents and got annihilated. And that's why now you're going to do it again. Because you already built a baseline of name id. You already have. We're seen on a ballot one time, all right? What our people cannot do. How many people, how many. How many folks that ended up being successful in business after would have. Would have not been if they just walked away the first time they tried it and they went belly up and this never did it again and did something else. Gave up on entrepreneurship, gave up on being their own, having their own ip, their own company, being their own boss. A lot of people have failed and then were successful. All right, so Rush was a failed FM disc jockey, okay? How many times was he fired into becoming arguably the greatest voice in the history of the radio medium? So what these people need to do now, Daniel, that they've built this baseline of support, they need to go back and run again. That's what they have to do.

[Daniel Horowitz]

That's a terrific point. And I think we've seen that a lot. And especially when it opens up, let's say it becomes an open seat so you don't get the next country club guy to replace him. Now you have it, you know? You know, now you have a way in. Now you're a regular.

[Todd Erzin]

You're at all the party meetings. You're at all the district meetings. You're. You're a regular. There's a cycle of campaigning between campaigns. You are a regular part of that. That's the vocational aspect of this. It is a job. And I understand our people are not as wealthy as their people are, and. And so do I. Yeah, you're going to have to make the time. That's how this is going to have either. If you can't, if you can't buy name ID with millions of dollars, then you're going to have to do it with shoe leather. Those are your two options. Sweat equity or you buy it. Those are the only two options.

[Daniel Horowitz]

So there is something else that I'm going to test our friendship here, and I believe it's Strong enough that you'll forgive me for maybe not getting invited to certain confabs. But there is another thing here too that is important, that absent any special interest which we really don't want to serve this, you do have certain conservative organizations that collect millions and tens of millions and sometimes hundreds of millions from conservative donors for things that they espouse are exactly like this. So, for example, in Idaho, that is next Tuesday, there is a civil war. Governor Brad Little with the endorsement of Trump, and only because of the endorsement of Trump is running for a third term. He was caught on video basically promoting illegal immigration, calling his opponents racist. And a lot of TPUSA types and moggang types and a lot of friends of ours are passing that around. Like, hey, what's with this Brad Little guy? Well, I'll tell you what's with him. He would have had Raul Labrador, the AG against him and would have lost or wouldn't have run for a third term. Trump enabled that. And now Brad Little in turn is in is funding primary challengers against the eight most conservative, every one of the Freedom Caucus members because of the illegal immigration issue, which is the issue du jour of all these people. So my question is if we're going to have political action committees with, you know, pretty substantial amounts of money for something on the right, if it's not for a time like this, then what is it for?

[Todd Erzin]

I think it's a great question and I think that'll really be tested in the post Trump era. I think that, that we're in an era it's just suicide to go against the king. We can all sit here and pretend that, that it's just not, it's just not possible. I mean, in the end I didn't, I had a perfect. I'll just be, you know what, since you want to and you, and obviously what you're alluding to is, you know, I'm very close to them over there, so. And so and yes, our friendship is able to ask questions.

[Daniel Horowitz]

I mean that, like that they have clout. Correct.

[Todd Erzin]

And listen, Charlie built their resources to do the kinds of things that you're talking about. Doing it in this era though, and zigging while Trump zags is just often a cancel out at best or a suicide at worst. And I'll just tell you flat out and it's, I'll put myself up there. The number one reason that I didn't end up running for governor, even though this ended up being a perfect primary cycle for someone like me who already has the name Id to do this is because the looming specter of the Trump endorsement out there, and there were times that I've been on the opposite side of Trump and would he just immediately jump in and nuke me from the start? And so I just blew my wad and wasted my own political capital. If I think the odds I would have ran this cycle if there, if Trump were not president would have been over 80%. Okay. But that's. That was the number one. That's the number one thing my wife and I calculated, my friends and I calculated potential donors and I calculated what would Trump do if you step out from behind the mic and put yourself out in the. I don't know. He might have endorsed me. I don't know. Because the thing we were at the time we were thinking about it is when they invited me to the White House to do my show. But the specter of him coming off the top rope at any point and nuking me at any point that could happen, it just made it that I could not, in my own mind and in my own, and prayerfully praying it through, I couldn't get there. All right, we're about out of time, but I want to give you the last word. I got 20 seconds. Go ahead.

[Daniel Horowitz]

No one cute observation on that, which, which people who want Republicans to win or do well might like is, you know, I've been very down on Republicans general election prospects because the primary turnout. But I came to the realization last night. I looked at the 12% West Virginia primary turnout, and honestly, you can make the case that in West Virginia and really all these states, Trump has done such a good job of endorsing the Rhinos and canceling primaries that there's just, I mean, there are no competitive primaries. So it could be that that's not as much of an indicator for what we'll see in the general as a typical time, just because there's nothing to vote for statewide in primaries and anymore.

[Todd Erzin]

Good to see you, my friend. Thank you.

[Daniel Horowitz]

Take care.

[Todd Erzin]

You bet. We're back editing Tomorrow noon to 2 Eastern, right after Glenn Beck, right here on Blaze TV. Until then, go hard. Romans 8, 2018.