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Steve Day
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Josh Hammer
spectator in my own life.
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Steve Day
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Todd Erzin
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Steve Day
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Sam
And Greetings.
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Steve Day
Happy Friday. Welcome to the Steve Day Show. That would be me alongside Todd erzin and Aaron McIntyre, going to be joined by our good friend Josh Hammer here in a moment. For the day script we're brought to you by our friends over at Freedom Project Academy. If you're looking ahead to this fall and you want to upgrade your kids education, you want to do the mass exodus from the government schools, FPA can help you do that. For 16 years they've delivered fully accredited classical online education firmly rooted in Judeo Christian values for kids from pre kindergarten through high school. All our own son Noah went through FPA for a couple of years during his homeschooling years as well. You can do anytime courses that are available to you 24 7. They've got a homeschool track that puts your child in the driver's seat. You can go live with real teachers in a real virtual classroom. Fully flexible options. Just one of the reasons why that they were awarded the 2026 Christian School of the Year by Education Insider. Right? So go to freedom for school.com right now. Check out their incredible classes that they're offering this fall. See what's right for you. It's free to get the to just go and look, right? But if you decide you want to sign up, get a discount on your tuition with the Code Steve.Freedom for School.com. get a discount on the tuition if you want to sign up with the Code Steve at Freedom for school dot com. All right, coming up next hour, it'll be your turn on a feedback Friday. But let's kick this thing off with the D Scroop. And it has been a minute since we have talked to our good friend Mr. Josh Hammer. Good to see you, brother. Give us the latest what's going on in your world, Steve.
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Josh Hammer
I literally was posting social media like 5 minutes ago about my new book that I just signed the contract literally yesterday. So that's exciting news. It's coming out next year. It's called Covenant the Constitution how the Hebrew Bible Made Christian America. So that subtitle is definitely going to rub all the right people the wrong.
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Steve Day
So you've got a two hour spot already booked for Tucker Carlson show on that. Josh. Looking forward to that. Can continue. I'm sorry. Yes, go ahead. Yes. Yeah.
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Josh Hammer
No, no. So some breaking news, I guess on my end this is the first time I'm talking about the new, the new project, but everything else is good.
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Guest or Announcer
Steve.
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Josh Hammer
I got back from Israel in Israel for about a week, got back last Sunday, got back literally four hours before Iran fired the missiles there. So got back just in time there. But other than that, my friend, just trying to fight the good fight just like you are.
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Steve Day
Where can people find your work after this is over? Of course, because we want them to stay tuned in right here. Where can they find you when this is all over?
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Josh Hammer
Yeah, so my, my ex is Josh Underscore Hammer, Instagram Josh Bhammer. My show, the Josh Hammer show is on the Salem News Channel. It's Salem Podcast network everywhere. You get your podcast. My syndicated column goes up in Newsweek, Real Clear Politics, Los Angeles Times, Daily Signal and so forth and so forth there. So follow my stuff. Also article3project.org for my legal work with the article3 project.
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Steve Day
Well, it's always good to see you my friend. Thank you for joining us. Let's get to it. All right. Your weekly look at the week that was begins as it always does with issue one, bleep. Lord Nefarious says what do you want us to do?
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Josh Hammer
That's right.
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Steve Day
What, what do you want us to
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Josh Hammer
do at this point?
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Steve Day
What? I, I'm, I'm, I'm lost for it. I don't know what to do. I got five boys. I don't know why I ain't got nothing to tell him no more. Hey, wasn't you on jury selection?
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Aaron McIntyre
No, he wasn't.
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Steve Day
No, he wasn't. Seriously. No, he wasn't. He wasn't. He was on jury selection. Black women, especially black women who have black male children, live in fear and agony every single day. A fear and agony that I promise you. The Metcalfs probably never spent a day living that way.
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Aaron McIntyre
I want you guys to know that I am 6 foot even.
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Josh Hammer
The phone is.
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Steve Day
My phone is at my head.
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Josh Hammer
You guys knew that we're bullying?
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Sam
You guys knew that we're bullying.
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Josh Hammer
Ain't no judicial justice for black people.
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Sam
How many mother. Decades and decades have to go by where you don't perceive that your justice is frontier justice?
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Steve Day
They kill one of y', all, you kill one of them. Hey, hey, hey, bro, weren't you on jury selection?
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Josh Hammer
What it is going to take in
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Steve Day
order for us to get under from under our oppressor's thumb? They are going to be violent anyway. So why would we continue to be peaceful martyrs to keep capitalism and white supremacy going?
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Josh Hammer
We cannot live like this. This is not sustainable.
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Aaron McIntyre
The threats will continue and so will
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Todd Erzin
our relentless protection of trans people across the city. As a first step, my administration has
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Aaron McIntyre
made a 15 million dollar investment in
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Todd Erzin
gender affirming care over the next two years.
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Steve Day
Jerry Seinfeld has said again last night, Palestine doesn't exist. Do you think that's dangerous rhetoric for
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Josh Hammer
someone with such a big platform?
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Steve Day
I mean, Jerry Seinfeld has been really horrific. Human being, toten pope, tattoo, the Nazi tattoo. What? Like what? How do you kind of. Somebody said that they talked to somebody, somebody who. Who had seen one of those or wore one of those, and it was silver. And it didn't even occur to him that it was the same thing. I think people are making as much of it as they can because they don't have a lot of substance around anything else. And if they did, we'd hear about it, believe me. They are trolling for. For dirt. What if he has like a Israeli flag tattoo or something? Would that be a deal breaker for me? Yeah, uh, honestly? Yeah, that would be Israeli.
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Todd Erzin
Yeah.
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Steve Day
Because I don't support genocide. All right, let's get to it. As always, per tradition around here, the guest gets the first crack at it. So, Josh Hammer, what was the most. I guess we'll call it, what was the most ayatollah thing you just saw and why?
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Josh Hammer
Yeah, you know, Steve, I continue just to be, on the one hand dumbfounded by the continued allegations of genocide on behalf of the state of Israel. So on this trip that I just got back from, I Visited the Gaza envelope for the second time. I was there. A few months after October 7th, I actually went back on this trip. We went to Kafar Aza, which essentially had half the community entirely slaughtered. I went back to the site of the Nova Music Festival. I heard from a survivor of that day. He had had this incredible story about hiding under a home for, like, three to four hours, hearing Hamas saying, where are the Jews? And then kind of just waiting it out. It's tough to know even where to begin, right, when it comes to this there. But genocide has an actual definition. Genocide has an actual definition, according to Geneva, according to all these various other things that these propagandists don't give, you know, a rat's ass about, frankly. And the definition of genocide, more or less, is the intentional and deliberate effort to ethnically cleanse and to ultimately exterminate a specific type of people, whether it's a specific ethnicity, nationality, religion, or or so forth. If Israel is committing genocide against the Arabs in the broader land of Israel, whether it's in Judea and Samaria, whether it's in Gaza or in Israel proper, it is the most ineffective form of genocide in the history of the human race because the Arab population has been growing massively in Gaza, in Judea and Samaria, in Israel itself. And it ultimately is just a total mind virus. And I think about my late friend Charlie Kirk. Charlie's a friend of yours, too, Steve. He used that exact phrase. He described this as a mind virus. And it's taken off like wildfire in our society. Society, it's predominantly on the left, but increasingly it is making its way into the right as well. Thomas Massie used the US House floor just a few days ago to announce
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Steve Day
the names of the Epstein victims.
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Josh Hammer
Well, that, but also the USS Liberty. Talk about how the IDF apparently intentionally, intentionally slaughtered. It was a horrific incident, but it was, we now know for sure, a horrific friendly fire incident. So this mind virus is taking off all throughout, Steve, and I'm just really grateful, frankly, for your platform. People like you that push back against it basically every day.
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Steve Day
Well, I only do it because it's what I think and believe to be right and true. As you know, that's kind of how we operate around here as best as we can in our sinful mortal coils. And no, unfortunately, Congressman Massie did not name the. The Epstein victims and their perpetrators. He did instead talk about the USS Liberty case from four decades ago. He did that instead, unfortunately.
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Todd Erzin
Well, speaking of mind viruses, I've got to dust off, like, one of the worst accents ever. But I just have to. Hey, New Yorkers, man. I'm just so excited to be part of this town at this time in history. I mean, buddy, do you believe we get to go down in this manhole every day and clean up the bleepity bleep that everybody's putting into the sewers just so we can give some of our tax money to our Islamic mayor so he can make life better for the transgender community? I mean, New York and Frank Sinatra and this mayor. Same Big Apple, baby. Go Giants.
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Steve Day
That pretty much does summarize. Summarize it. Yeah, it pretty much does.
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Todd Erzin
Nice job, tough guy.
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Steve Day
Aaron, good luck. Good luck following that, but give it a shot, man.
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Aaron McIntyre
I think we're gonna go to the. The woman who is calling for the downfall of the United States and the aftermath of the Carmelo Anthony trial. She had, I think probably three or four hundred dollars headphones on. She had gold grills down there. She had all sorts of jewelry, and she was probably on a 6 to $800 phone making this video. And she said, quote, this is not sustainable.
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Todd Erzin
I know. I agree.
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Steve Day
You did it.
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Todd Erzin
Same.
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Steve Day
You did it, Aaron. You did it.
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Aaron McIntyre
So, yes, there's that also. It's just barbaric. Some of this that we're seeing. I've seen now three or four incidents of this. Just black individuals going up to random white people, smacking them and saying, hey, you were on jury duty. Even, like, I saw one purportedly out of Florida. It's just an excuse to. What, to do what? Just be violent? Act like barbaric people? That's just heinous. So that's the dishonorable mention.
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Todd Erzin
Not people. That's feral animal behavior.
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Steve Day
That's exactly what it is. It's savage behavior. It's thug behavior. That's what it is. But that's what is being fed. There is a rot gut within aspects of black culture in America. I think that's pretty obvious, and we've all kind of overlooked it for a while and try to come up with some other way to say it. But either when you. When you. When you look at the social maladies in that community and how disparate it is to virtually every other community in America, you have to only come to one of two conclusions. You can come, as I said yesterday the other day, you can come to the Margaret Sanger, eugenicist, Charles Darwin conclusion that these are just, you know, this is a lesser race. And that's exactly what Sanger and Darwin thought. It's what they wrote in their own words, or you come to the conclusion that there's a uni. So it's either a uniquely inferior race, which is what the eugenicists and the God List wrote in the 19th and 20th centuries, or you come to the conclusion that there's a unique, singular sickness within this subculture producing this. And I think that when you look at. Again, go online and just go watch newscast where like. And how differently the people in predominantly black communities and neighborhoods communicated in America 50, 60 years ago compared to what you hear here, it's not an inferior race issue. There is a sickness in this culture that has infested it. And it's. It's permeated down to the water table. And it's. There's a lot of. There's a lot of means and ways to profit by perpetuating it as well. And so. And that's how you create a dynamic where black men are more imperiled by other black men. That's how you get to that. You have to create a culture like that, and it has to be a malignant and purposeful origin to do it intentionally and so that you can then turn around and politically try to exploit it. Thoughts on that?
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Todd Erzin
You're spending time on that earlier this week is just. We've reached the point where there's no point in glossing anything about this because the truest words, wrong motivations were what that woman said. We can't go on like this. I see you and raise you, because we won't. We just won't.
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Steve Day
And let's say a lot of the reasons why we didn't want to talk about this for decades, some of it had to do with being called. Fear of being called racist. But a lot of it, if we're just being brutally honest. And this would be you and I's generation, Todd. We just grew up loving a lot of the exact same music and everything else. We bought a lot of those NWA And Ice Cube albums. We. We bought all those, too. Those were blaring every bit as much in the suburbs of. Of our generation as they were within the cities. Right. I might still remember the name if you fired it up right now. And we won't, for obvious reasons, but I might still be able to recall, word for word, every line of F The Police by NWA I still might be able to do it. That song's, what, 35 years old? I mean. I mean, that's. That was an earworm. I mean, we. The. The dirty little secret is white America loved a lot of that stuff, too. Okay, but the, the problem is what is when, in the second wave of it, when it went from an entertainment subculture to now being essentially absorbed as a behavior pattern by too large of a segment of society, Right? Where now it's not just, you know, we're doing things, we're. We're listening to this because Tipper Gore put a parental advisory sticker on this rap album from Easy E or, you know, Rob Bass and told us not to listen to this. Now it's a culture, right? I think a good analogy for this. Josh, forgive me, I'm off on a tangent here, but I hope it's an important one. Okay. When I was, when we were kids, we went. Did you go to haunted houses when you were a kid for Halloween?
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Todd Erzin
No.
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Steve Day
You didn't go? Okay, you must have had a better family than me. I went every year. Couldn't get enough. What's the number one reason you go to haunted houses? One, it's to prove that you're not scared. Two, you take a girl with you because it's a natural means by which you might be able to get closer to her. Okay. Because of the, the tension in the atmosphere and the vibe. Right. In other words, it was just a dopamine hit for completely undisciplined teenagers.
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Todd Erzin
That's true.
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Steve Day
Go to one now. That's not what you'll see. What you'll see if you go to one now is you're going to see this is a culture you're going to see. The kids waiting in line to get in are dressed like the people on the inside. Right. It's a, it's, it's. When you get to. At first, it starts as an entertaining, you know, an entertaining venue or vessel, I should say, of a chronoclasm to challenge the older generation. Its assumptions to be shocking, to exert your youthful, you know, distinctiveness from the previous era. Right. Okay. It starts there, right? It starts there. But if it not, if not checked, it'll just eventually become its own subculture. We, we saw this with the sexual revolution coming out of the Summer of Love, where now it's a full fledged rainbow. Jihad is completely unchecked. Right? And like 1 out of every 12 girls in America literally is on only Fans, I think is the number or something like that, Right. That's what the second generation does. So it starts off on the fringes to challenge the established order. It ends up becoming a mainstream subculture that just has all the wreckage that accompanies it. Same thing with rap and hip hop culture. It started as an aversive way, particularly in urban America and then in the suburbs, to flip a middle finger at Tipper Gore and that whole crowd from the 80s. Right. And, and, and now though, it's on a second generation and it's a destructive culture. When a kid from a well to do suburb thinks that just because he's black he's got to walk in and stab a guy in the heart, he's not under some form of oppression. He's not under some form of. He. This isn't a kid playing, you know, sell my food stamps for extra cash, you know, in Compton over the weekend. That's, he's not Bone Thugs in Harmony. He's not going out to the mailbox on the first of the month for the welfare check. So if it's permeated down to the Carmelo Anthony's of the world, then my goodness, okay. I mean now you, now you've got a full blown social contagion. That's what I'm describing.
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Todd Erzin
So the only question left is what are we going to do about it?
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Steve Day
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Aaron McIntyre
That's the question Glenn Beck answered earlier this week on this show.
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Guest or Announcer
So here's what I, if I, if I had a dream scenario, and I don't know if this could ever happen, but if I had a dream scenario, I would do everything we could to arm the citizens of Iran or at least train them, at least do what everything that Reagan did with in Poland, you know, and in, in west or in East Germany. Get in there and do as much as you possibly can to empower the people so the people rise up. The people, the Persian people, the Iranian people, are some of the best in the world. They're very highly educated, really good people. And if there's enough of them that want an end and they want to Westernize, that changes the entire dynamic of the Middle East. And many in the Middle east want that to happen as well. But he did not plan on the IRGC taking control. I did. You did. Because they believe they're going to usher in the Promised one. They believe, as does Alexander Dugan, that the world has to be washed in blood and that Russia and Iran will, you know, meet there together and they'll work to conquer, you know, not only Israel but all of the Western world because they think it's evil. And I, you know, the one thing that I, I don't know because I haven't talked to him about it, is if he really understands that these are people that deeply believe that he or someone like him is the literal Antichrist. And they are on this holy mission to bring back who I believe will be either the Antichrist or the tool of the Antichrist. The army of the Antichrist is this Islamist army. And I'm not sure he believes that or knows that. I'm not saying he doesn't. I'm just not sure if he, he does because he's, he's much more of a material kind of world guy for the most part.
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Steve Day
All right, with that in mind, let me add this, because at the time that we gave this put this rundown together or after the time we did this rundown, the president announced that we are again close to a deal with Iran. There are a lot of various reports out there about who the deal is even with may, what the deal may even say. The vice president put out this statement just about an hour ago. Quote, I'm seeing a lot of fake information about a potential deal to reopen the strait and end Iran's nuclear weapons program. First, the Iranians are not receiving any cash and no funds are being released for simply signing a deal or attending a meeting. The deal is structured to ensure that the US and its allies concerns are prioritized and that if the Islamic Republic of Iran meets its obligations, then economic benefits will flow not just to them, but to the entire region. This deal has the potential to remake the region and lead to lasting peace. I've noticed a couple of bizarre things in the reporting over the last few hours. First, people who rightly said Donald Trump was a historic president a month ago are now criticizing a deal based on unconfirmed media reports. And second, people who say you can't trust a word said by the irgc. I'd be among those who apparently believe anonymously sourced social media post about what the deal actually says and doesn't say the president is going to get us a good outcome one way or the other. All right, so that's all the up to date information at the time that we are doing this episode in real time at 12:22pm when you listen to this later on a podcast or watch it again later on Rumble, there may be other details that may or may not emerge. Okay. But everybody should timestamp this. This is the latest information that we have. So Josh, since we've been discussing this already quite a bit on our show and the audience kind of has an idea of what we think we thought would be wise to give you with the fresh voice here, your thoughts. So what does a successful close to the war of Iran look like?
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Josh Hammer
Yeah, so look Steve, I've been saying the same thing now for on this question for two and a half, three months essentially for the entire operation. So you know, people say that the straight of Hormuz was fully free prior to the war and they say that Donald Trump started that issue on his own with the war. That's not quite accurate. There was still a lot of Iranian piracy there. So the first and arguably the smallest of my four goals is for these three or Hormuz, through which obviously a fifth of the world's petroleum flows. Very crucial waterway for that to actually be genuinely free and flowing. That's the smallest potatoes of the four. The other three legs, leg number two would be that the regime has to actually stop funding all of its proxies throughout the region. That's Hezbollah, that's Hamas, Palestinian Islamic Jihad in Gaza, the Houthis Kataib Hezbollah in Iraq, raining hellfire down on the Kurds There and on and on and on. This has been an issue for, for longer than I've been alive, frankly. Iran has been funding Hezbollah above all for a very, very, very long time there. That finally has to stop. Three is that the ballistic missiles and the drones have to, have to be. There has to be something in order to get rid of these missiles and drones. This is one of the fatal flaws of the Barack Obama nuclear deal in 2015. It was totally silent on that issue. It's not just the fact that Iran has shown that they can send these ballistic missiles all throughout the region. They actually fired at Diego Garcia, the joint American British base, maybe two, three months ago or so at this point. And that was roughly two to two and a half thousand miles away from Tehran. So that puts part of the European continent, frankly in play there. So you got to do something about these missiles. And then of course, the big kahuna is the enriched uranium program there. So I've heard some rumors that the current speculation is that Trump might try to work with the United nations and the IAEA, the atomic nuclear arm of the UN to try to essentially blend down the 60% enriched uranium, get it down to a quote, unquote, civilian grade. I mean, this is obviously kind of a farce, right? Because Iran does not need civilian nukes. They have about as much petroleum as any country, frankly, in the world. So it's a whole farce. But if you can do something to get that enriched uranium out of the country there, I think that would be a sine qua non as well. The problem, obviously, as you guys know, you're the choir of all choirs and the entire ecosystem on this, is that you're dealing with these 12th Iman eschatological 72 version heaven fanatical Islamist Shiite supremacist jihadists. And this is a fundamental conceit to try to treat them as rational actors. I mean, literally just this morning before I came on your show, the latest out of the regime approved media outlets in Iran is that they are sticking to the red lines of not. I'm not doing anything with the enriched uranium. If that's the case, then there's just no deal to be had here. Unless I'm missing something, which I don't think I am.
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Steve Day
See, I'm not concerned about the terms of the deal. I agree with the vice President. I've never had any concerns that Trump would lock us into a bad deal. I don't, I can't think of a, a bad deal that he, this is what he's the best at. He's one of the best the world's ever seen at stuff like this. My concern is that how do you make a deal with demoniacs? That is my concern. And I've been telling our audience here for the last week, plus Josh, that the terms of this deal are irrelevant. Our willingness to enforce said terms are all that matters because they're going to test these terms either right away, right before the midterms, particularly if it looks like Republicans are rebounding strong, certainly the second that this president walks away from the office, they're going to test these terms because they're not going to be uprooted as a regime because no one has the appetite in this country to do that and live with the aftermath of it. So they're going to, they're going to test these terms. And so to me, it doesn't really come down to the terms. I've never really been worried about that. That's why you don't see me like panic responding to, you know, all the various times we were close to a deal and weren't and what were the terms going to be? I both trust the President's dealing, deal making acumen and also don't trust you can make a deal with Iran. Okay, So I think it really comes down to are we willing to enforce the terms? Are we willing to say, hey, some weeds came up, we got to mow this lawn again. You know, we have Operation Lug Nut and operation, you know, Sledgehammer and Operation Mallet, you know, and Operation Phillips Screwdriver. You know what I'm saying? That we're going to have to be willing to mow the lawn here because they're not, they're not going to abide by any such agreement. We're going to have to force them to.
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Josh Hammer
Yeah, it seems totally right to me. I mean, again, you're dealing with fundamentally irrational figures and if you can get them to sign a deal, I guess that's great. They're not going to listen to it. Frankly, even back during the time of jcpoa, the Barack Obama nuclear deal, it's not like Iran actually was abiding by the terms, however flawed those terms were of the Iran nuclear deal. Look, I agree at this point that there's not going to be actual regime change. I should say that there are some folks that I've spoken to, both the United States and on my recent trip to Israel who actually do think that if the blockade and the sanctions continue that the regime will fall on economic measures alone. I am Personally, not getting my hopes up for that. I feel like we've been told that before, so I don't think it's actually going to happen. But the blockade in particular, Steve, this current US Naval blockade has been one of the most economically successful blockades, I think, in the entire 21st century history of warfare. The Iranian oil market is absolutely crippled. They're literally running out of warehouses to store the barrels of oil that they cannot export. If there's anything that can continue to bring them to actually, maybe, maybe, maybe give some sort of concessions there, I think it would be something along those lines there. But I think, I think Trump's in a very difficult spot because I do think that Trump probably thought that achieving our ends would be easier than it has proven to be. We can we kind of quibble, debate why that was, why he thought it was easier. My own two cents that he was kind of just being a little cocky based on the success of the Maduro Venezuela operation. Thought that we got that we got Maduro. Usually let's kind of do the same thing over in Iran. Turns out much bigger country, more complicated.
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Steve Day
Those are just corruptocrats in Venezuela. These are demoniacs. Totally different level of adversary here.
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Josh Hammer
Yeah, yeah, exactly. But he's clearly trying to get an off ramp there. I don't blame him, frankly. It's midterm election, rising gasoline prices. No one wants to pay this much for gas there. But ultimately, Steve, the cardinal sin of American foreign policy for literally longer than I've been alive has been to not finish what you started there. Now, I'm not calling for regime change. I have literally never once advocated for that as an end goal unto itself in my entire punditry career. I'm not going to do it today on your show, but I think that the goals as I outlined them are fairly reasonable. And like you, Steve, I do fundamentally agree that Donald Trump deserves the benefit of the doubt there. I don't love the way this has been handled. The past two months has been way too much herky jerky back and forth for me. And I do worry that the deal is becoming somewhat, somewhat of a goal unto itself rather than a means to a goal. But. But Trump really has earned benefit of the doubt. And I still come back to that.
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Steve Day
All right, exit question, you guys, might I just kind of let him filibuster that, since we've discussed it a million times already. Exit question. And I need a quick answer. Should we just let Israel do what it wants here, Todd?
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Todd Erzin
More or less, yes.
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Steve Day
Aaron, yes, Josh.
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Josh Hammer
Yes.
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Steve Day
Yeah. Do we not? Because we're concerned about how the other end of the Arab coalition will react to that.
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Todd Erzin
That doesn't change my answer.
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Steve Day
No, it doesn't change your answer. No, no. Does it change your answer, Josh?
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Josh Hammer
No, it doesn't. Look, I think the Arab countries, Steve, are oftentimes quite duplicitous. They're very two faced. A lot of them are publicly trying to wind down the war. Probably a lot of them are lobbying Trump to continue the actions there. So I don't, I don't, I don't buy that.
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Steve Day
All right, when we come back, have we finally figured out what's been a revolving door in the Trump era and might be the most important unelected position in the federal government? Attorney General. We'll get to that here in a moment. Stay tuned.
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Aaron McIntyre
No one truly knew how Acting Attorney General Todd Blanche would fare after taking over for Pam Bondi, but it sure seems like he's hit the ground running at the DOJ. Blanche has touted the removal of over 200 officials tied to past investigations of President Trump. He's indicted James Comey on two federal felony charges, threatening the president and communicating that threat across state lines. He's taken on the Southern Poverty Law center with the announcement of an indictment against the SPLC for defrauding donors through a paid informant program that ended up funding the kkk, allegedly. He's also investigating John Brennan, tapping a new prosecutor into that investigation of the former CIA director and deep state creep Blanche also launched a civil rights investigation into Democrat fundraising organization ActBlue over its documented discrepancies and its screening of foreign donations. There's a whole lot more that he's done. President Trump has officially tapped him for the permanent role of Attorney General.
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Steve Day
So I try to, when we have a guest on, I try to find at least one of these topics that's like, right in their wheelhouse they could uniquely address for our audience beyond maybe what we are capable of just amongst ourselves. And so, given Josh's thorough legal background, I'm a believer that this is one of the most important, unelected positions that we have currently in the current cold civil war is Attorney General. You have to have an absolute, metaphorically speaking, here. Killer. You got to have a killer in this position. It's been a revolving door for Trump in his two presidential terms. I, I, I said when she was nominated, the worst nomination he made was Pam Bondi. And I'm not shocked to see that that turned out the way that it did. Starting with the whole influencer, you know, binders full of, you know, full of Epstein files, all right, went from binders full of women to binders full of Epstein files joke. And I think that was a, just a, a huge mistake and a colossal, underwhelming nomination. But he's tried many different options here. So the, the question here for you, since this is your, your bailiwick, and you know these people better than us, Josh, did he finally find his guy here? What say you, Steve?
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Josh Hammer
I'm, I'm a big fan of Top Lynch. I, I've been following Todd's work for years. I've had the chance to, to chat with him personally and get to, get to know him a little bit. And most importantly, I think his work product really speaks for itself. I mean, I mean, Aaron's great montage there, I think showed some of the highlights. But it's not, it's not just what he's done at doj. It's also that, that he's proven his, his loyalty bona fides to Trump back during the height of the Joe Biden, Merrick Garland, Jack Smith Democrat lawfare complex, as I called the time. And I say all that because loyalty is really, really freaking important when it comes to the Attorney General in general. And it's really, really, really freaking important when it comes to the peculiar identity of Donald Trump's Attorney general. Because it's the DOJ that's been the epicenter of so many of the, of the internal coup attempts going back to Bob Mueller and Rod Rosenstein and this and that, all that Russiagate drawing back during the first term there. He needs a Stone Cold loyalist. And even more than a loyalist, he needs someone who I think takes a properly sober view as to where we are when it comes to iterative lawfare in America. So what I've been saying for years, Steve, on my show, on your show and elsewhere, is that when it comes to lawfare, the only way out is through. I want us all to aspire to a place where the rule of law is truly fair and neutral. I'm not really sure by the way it's ever existed, like literally ever. But in theory we should aspire to the Platonic ideal of a fully fair and neutral rule of law. The problem is that we are so wildly off kilter at this point, so wildly off kilter that the only thing that can possibly restore a modicum, a modicum of sanity when it comes to the rule of law is short term escalation in the service of a tempted mid term, long term peace. That's where I see the SPLC and Diamond coming in, which by the way is totally legit kosher on the merits there. But in theory, there's a broader goal going on here and Tom Blanche, because of what he did when he was Trump's defense attorney for the, for the lawfare stuff with, with, with Alvin Bragg and Fonny Willis and all this other band of misfits there. I think he gets this at a different level than virtually anyone else who could be nominated. So we at Article 3 Project are huge fans of Todd Blanche there. I hope that he get that he gets confirmed asap.
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Steve Day
Well, that's music to my ears to hear that from you and I about Mr. Blanche. And we of course agree with your assessment. I mean, I, I am taking, because of the escalation of this, I am saying things about weaponization I would have never said five years ago, 10 years ago when I first started out doing this. But we can't have a situation like look at the FISA courts for just as an example, Josh, that, that was, that was the choke point for all the Russia collusion stuff and everything else where those FISA warrants, starting with Comey and the so called deep State, we can't not punish those people and then re up the program like it's nothing. Either get rid of the program in my view, Josh, or you re up it so you can use it against your opponents and then get rid of it so they can't do it against you. The next time they get power, you gotta do one of those two things. But you can't just say really sucks that they use this program, you know, to essentially label me as a Russian stooge over a P tape that doesn't exist for five years and then just re up the program anyway. Anyway, back to regular order. We can't do that. So either get rid of the weapon that they used against you so it can't be used against you in the future, or, or use it against them and then get rid of it.
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Josh Hammer
Yeah, I mean that seems to make a lot of sense to me. Look, this 702 debate I think is playing out in the context of the whole Bill Pulte controversy, right? So it seems like Trump has, has, has settled that issue. I mean, the entire notion of fisa, Steve, I mean the FISA courts go back to the 1970s, so there's not exactly a long history when it comes to the entire FISA process. The entire thing is probably unconstitutional if we're just being honest with you. The way that the entire process works when it comes to the secretive court, the government gets something like a 98, 99% approval rate when it comes to going to a grand jury or magistrate judge trying to get a sign off for a given wiretap. The whole thing kind of stinks soup to nuts. And I'm not someone who takes terrorism lightly, really. I'm absolutely not. I've had threats on my life. The aftermath of people like Candace Owens coming after me there. I grew up in the shadow of 911 there. I see radical Islamic terrorism and just terrorism in general very, very clearly there. But the program is not working particularly well and I don't think that we should scrap it entirely there. But I agree with you that something has to happen in order to better calibrate this ever complicated and ever testy trade off between securing liberty versus actually trying to be genuinely helpful and prophylactic when it comes to stopping crime and terrorism.
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Steve Day
Totally agree, 100%. Todd and Aaron, what say you?
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Todd Erzin
Well, I'm heartened as well by what Josh had to say about the front end. Because doing this kind of thing, even if you didn't believe it would smart play to try to get the job, to make the base really fall in love with them and pressure Trump into accepting him. So I'm heartened that this is authentic on the front end. Now on the back end, though, we've seen all kinds of people that once they got the job and the job becomes a lifestyle, that they start pulling their punches. I mean, this is really the. Even though some things lately with Cash Patel have come out, his work, the work he's done has been heartening his legacy so far. The reports are just like he. He kind of just likes being the head and not doing the. The head things. And so I'm. Because he's a sinner like the rest of us, I hope just, you know, the swamp doesn't chew him up and spit him out or just get him way too comfortable. And he thinks now that I got it, I'm kind of on autopilot, Aaron.
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Aaron McIntyre
So I think the proof is in what you've seen. I mean, I went back and tell yourself a year ago, you'd be having trouble kind of whittling down DOJ news releases that are, like, relevant and what the base of this, you know, this coalition would actually want to hear coming out of the doj. And that was kind of the problem that I had putting together the mini montage there. And that's a good sign. So that's one thing, what Josh said, somebody we trust implicitly on this show, that's another thing. But I think you have to go back and look as well. And I think this was mentioned in passing. I believe Blanche was Trump's attorney for some of these J6 election cases. And what that tells me is that this guy really had some skin in the game. Basically. He had Trump's back when they were touching all sorts of third rails, he had Trump's back knowing that, hey, if this thing goes sideways in 2024 with the election, my career is probably over as well. And so I think that kind of gives you past, present, and now we're living in the future of what this guy looks like. So I think the proof is in the pudding so far in the two months that he's been there. And I pray that he's able to keep that momentum rolling on, because we're going to need it.
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Steve Day
Josh, you have a minute? You want to respond to Todd and Aaron's comments before we get to the exit question here really quick?
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Josh Hammer
Yeah. Look, I think that's. Abby, right. If you go back to Executive Branch, let's call it Article 2 101, historically speaking, there are three big cabinets. There's DOJ, there's Department of treasury, and there's the Department of War. And those are the, essentially the. And State. Really, Those are the four big departments that essentially founded Article 2. And today they really remain actually the big four departments. But above all, I think Attorney General actually is the single most important of the four, because without the rule of law, without law enforcement or without security, without people across country having buy in from the system, the law is being enforced, that they are secure in their livelihoods and in the property and the person there. Unless you have that, the Republic starts to die. That is actually not an exaggeration there. And Trump has been ruined and ruined over and over and over again by people in his DOJ there. But again, Aaron, excuse me correctly mentioning J6 there, all the lawfare stuff. Todd has proven his bona fides. He is there for the President. He's already done it again with the SPLC and some. Some of these other various things there. I think he'll be confirmed fairly easily, especially now that this weaponization fund, so called, quote, unquote controversy has been sidelined there. So I think he'll be confirming. I think he's gonna be a fantastic Attorney General in the United States.
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Steve Day
Exit question. Is Todd Blanche still the AG one year from now? Josh?
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Josh Hammer
I say yes, Todd.
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Todd Erzin
I'm going with his confidence alone because I don't have it.
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Steve Day
Okay, Aaron.
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Aaron McIntyre
Yes.
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Steve Day
All right, let's get to the kicker topic. If you could hand pick a realistic choice for ag, meaning realistic as this person could get confirmed by the Senate. If you could hand pick someone that you think could get confirmed by the Senate, because there's all kinds of people we can think of, we'd love this. AG that would not get confirmed. Right. Okay. If you could pick someone that would get confirmed for ag, whom would it be and why? Aaron, I.
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Aaron McIntyre
Who could get confirmed by the Senate is the hard part. I kind of think Cruz, even more than DeSantis, would have a better shot at getting confirmed. I think he'd be a fantastic attorney.
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Steve Day
Trump's theory, they just would want to get him out of the Senate.
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Aaron McIntyre
Yeah.
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Steve Day
All right. Todd.
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Todd Erzin
Yeah, I'm leaning heavy on who can get confirmed. It's whoever the lawyer is that's advising John Thune, because that's the only kind of guy that's gonna get confirmed based on your terms. I mean, we can't even get the SAVE act. There's people advising him. Those are the only kind of people he's gonna deal with. He's not gonna approve DeSantis. He's not gonna approve anybody we want.
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Steve Day
What do you think, Josh? Who could get confirmed that you'd want?
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Josh Hammer
So, first of all, again, I'm a big fan of Todd's, but if we're playing kind of hypothetical, who else besides Todd? Yeah, I think Ted Cruz make a great AG I don't think Ted particularly wants a position to be very candid with you, speaking of the Senate, because traditionally Senates have an easier time getting confirmed out of their own body. I think Josh Hawley actually would make a fantastic US Attorney General as well. Another former Supreme Court clerk, a very conservative, more nationalist, populist kind of guy. And I'll throw one more name out there as well. I think you guys know that I'm a big fan of my former boss, Jim Ho in the fifth Circuit. I am personally pushing in my own individual capacity, Judge Ho for a possible SCOTUS vacancy. I think he'd be the single best pick of any lower court judge. But, but, but if my former boss decides that he does not want to do the whole Article 3 thing anymore, I think he'd be really, really, really good in a very high ranking article two job as well, like attorney general in 30 seconds.
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Steve Day
Josh, do you think Blanche could get confirmed if he had not already been acting A.G.
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Josh Hammer
i do, because I don't think the Senate Republicans are necessarily looking for another huge fight against Trump. There's plenty of other fights against Trump right now, the weaponization fund and some of the immigration forces up there. I think that John Thune has picked enough fights, frankly, against Donald Trump. I don't necessarily think he's looking for another tremendous fight here. And again, I think Todd would have gone in front. I think that Todd will get confirmed here in fairly shortish order as well.
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Steve Day
All right, let's get to predictions. Aaron, you lead it off.
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Aaron McIntyre
I predict that regardless of this latest round of negotiations, we will still resume military activity with Iran after the midterm elections.
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Steve Day
I'll be surprised if it waits until after the midterm elections, frankly. I mean, that's, that's one of your more optimistic predictions. I mean, the, I mean, I will be surprised if they don't try to instigate something and provoke an outcome in the midterm elections by instigating something.
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Todd Erzin
So, Todd, going back to your prediction, Steve, about college football and race that you got right, you know, just so
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Steve Day
Josh knows I predicted a bunch of these Southern states would not actually redistrict as much as we wanted to out of fear that that there were black athletes at their beloved college sports teams would rebel. And what happened? The minute they went down that road, the Congressional Black Caucus, NAACP came out. And now instead of getting like we could have gotten 30 seats, I think is the number close to 30 seats out of this redistricting in terms of we're going to end up with maybe 10 instead. So that's what Todd is alluding to,
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Todd Erzin
but so tangential to that. NAACP, NAACP, Southern Poverty Law Center, ACLU, some kind of bull you base of all that. They're going to do some class action lawsuit on behalf of college football players. Race enough isn't going to do it. But now look at the hill they're dying on, on mental health. And these poor players that aren't allowed to bet on their games, they are going to go after the entire college football apparatus and say we are hurting these poor young men, we're hurting their mental health.
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Steve Day
Could totally see it. Josh,
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Josh Hammer
my prediction is actually a somewhat unfortunate and sober one, which I think that we are going to get absolutely smoked in the birthright citizenship case. I think it's not even going to be a close call. I think they're looking at at best two votes, literally at best, Thomas and Alito. I would not frankly be shocked. Even if it's, God forbid, even 8 to 1. I think it'll probably 7 2. But my hopes are not up for anything more than that. There's a very, very, very small chance maybe Brett Kavanaugh tries to go for some sort of weird kind of gobbledygook middle ground measure. But the point is, unfortunately, Trump is going to lose that case and it's really, really unfortunate because the laws on his side, the policies on his side, common sense, logic, it's all on his side. But the votes simply are not there. And I predict furthermore that as a result of that, because it's an issue that Trump cares a lot about, he is going to unleash some fury on the justices like he never has in his entire presidential tenure. And that will be another potential crisis point when it comes to how the right deals with judicial nominations, which that in turn tees up a very interesting possible dynamic for a summer SCOTUS vacancy, which I still think we're probably more likely than not going to have.
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Steve Day
Could see all of that happening as well.
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Aaron McIntyre
That was one of the most detailed and smart predictions. I think that's ever been given.
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Steve Day
Agreed. I should have let him go last. I don't have much to offer after that.
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Todd Erzin
And don't forget, deeply depressing.
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Steve Day
My prediction is that I think the Disclosure movie will be a box office hit for Spielberg, but I don't think it'll move the needle on the UFO issue at 1 iota. I don't, I don't think it'll have any of the cultural impact that he hopes it will have. It's clear from his own messaging and interviews that he wants it to have. I don't think it'll do that at all. I, I'm not much of the country just can't be moved by anything of any existential nature from any direction currently. So, Josh, good to see you, brother, as always, man. All right, God bless you. Thank you.
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Josh Hammer
God bless, guys. Thank you so much.
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Steve Day
You bet. We'll come back. It'll be your turn on a feedback Friday when we do. Stay tuned,
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Sam.
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Steve Day
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Todd Erzin
Friday, let's go.
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Steve Day
Let's kick it into high gear. I'm not going to name this person, and because I don't. They're in the middle of a private church spat, and I don't want to make it harder for them than it already is. Okay? But essentially, I got a note from a guy whose Sunday school class. His church yanked it because they accused him of heresy. He was using a non KGV Bible. I think it was the NASB or the esv. He was using a non KGV Bible, refused to switch over because he kind of thought it's nothing against the King James, but acting like, you know, that's some uniquely anointed version of the Bible is just simply not true. And so they yanked his Sunday school class from him for heresy for taking this position. And he sent me a note saying, I think my wife and I have probably attended that church for the last time, but we'll see. I'm just curious, Aaron, what your take on this whole KGB thing is. Do you guys have anything like this on your side of the street? Not necessarily about a Bible translation, but the kind of thing that you're like, why are we worked up about something that is just totally and completely irrelevant and doesn't really speak to the overall liturgical mission we're trying to engage in here?
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Todd Erzin
Well, you bring up, to be fair. I mean, yeah, I'm not gonna wash my hands of the. I mean, liturgy is paramount in the. In the Catholic Church. And, yeah, so there will be all manner of spats about that. I'm not sure that's necessarily an apples to apples comparison, but I. I did really didn't want to go full. This is you crazy Protestants kind of thing. I mean, yeah, of course Catholics have this kind of thing when they don't let the main thing be the main thing. But, I mean, I'm genuinely interested to see where the two of you.
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Steve Day
Is there a translation that Rome suggests you guys use, or does that come to an individual parish?
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Todd Erzin
Well, there's the New American Standard.
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Steve Day
So the nasb. That's what this guy was using, I
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Todd Erzin
think, was it for a long time. I believe there's a second one that is. I don't want to get out over my skis there, but I do believe there's a. A second one that is brought into that conversation. But it's also. I mean, if you were a Catholic using the King James, for example, I mean, the argument would be 66 versus 73 books. It wouldn't necessarily be the Translation in and herself.
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Steve Day
Yeah. Aaron, what are your thoughts on this?
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Aaron McIntyre
Well, I think before anybody laughs at the church itself, I mean, are there translations of the Bible that you're aware of that you would not read, that you would not actually suggest others read if they're getting into the Word or they're saying the Word?
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Steve Day
The New World translation, New World witnesses,
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Aaron McIntyre
for example, the New World translation, even some of the more paraphrase, you know, the paraphrase, not all of them are terrible, but obviously there's some limiting principle here when it comes to translations. Now it sounds like this church leadership has taken it to the nth degree. I have no idea what their actual motivations are. It sounds, on its face, it sounds very legalistic. We're doing kind of the. It has the characteristics of the stereotype of legalism. But maybe as a church, they just decided, you know what, we're just not. We're not even gonna go down the path of entertaining. This is our translation here. Now, accusing somebody of heresy or using a different one, that's where I'd have a little bit of a problem. But we all have guardrails in place. I would think, in terms of how we use different translations, what translations we use, and what the purpose of the paraphrase translations, I think it's kind of on a case by case basis. Sometimes the paraphrase actually doesn't richen the message, but it helps the reader understand the author's original intent. Sometimes it changes the author's original intent to the author's audience. That's the most important thing when it comes to translations. Trying to capture the author's original intent, writing to its audience in the context of when it was written and to whom it was written.
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Steve Day
That's a very important point. And to help people kind of navigate this, a paraphrase examples would be like the message or the passion. Those would be examples of paraphrases traditionally in the English. If you're looking at something in contemporary English, there's two kinds of translations. There's what's called a thought for thought translation. And you know, that essentially is attempting to take the original text and translate them into English in the original way the writer thought they meant at the time. Okay, examples of that would be like the niv, the new international version. And then there are word for word translations. And that would be like the esv, for example. The King James would be one of those, as another example. So what if it was just like a really. What if this was just a denomination that didn't necessarily Think or church that didn't necessarily think that this was the only sacred translation, but just really believed it was therefore the most trustworthy translation. It was part of their tradition. And all they ask is that you abide by that and not break that. Similar to, you know, Southern Baptist churches asking you to not hold raves because they don't have. They're not big fans of dancing.
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Josh Hammer
Right.
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Steve Day
What if it's just that? Then what do we think?
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Aaron McIntyre
I don't really have a problem with that. If that's their motivation, if it's some form of motivation, you know, King James version good enough for Paul, it's good enough for me. You know, that's. You're probably misguided somewhere along that street.
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Steve Day
If we have to tell you why it wasn't good enough for Paul, see us after the show. Todd, your thoughts?
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Todd Erzin
Listen, I would, I hope this guy, if he was allowed to teach there, has a level of pedigree that, you know, you're not just playing fast and loose and willy nilly in the first place. You've talked to this guy and then. So I, it seems like, like it would be a. The. They learned after the fact, after knowing many positive things about his biblical faithfulness and exegesis, that this came to pass. So this seems, I got this seems to just be throwing all of that under the bus willy nilly. And if I'm this guy, I'd want to know, okay, specifically why. What, what with this specific translation. What's your problem? I. Because I don't, I don't know. This really seems to be a lesson. All of Aaron's things, there's certain translations that are obviously heretical and quite frankly intend to be heretical at the outset,
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Steve Day
like the New World translation.
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Todd Erzin
If that's not your contention about this, then why are you dying on this hill? I would want.
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Steve Day
See, I was just gonna say that I think we're kind of in an open hand, closed handed scenario. Right? I mean, if you really believe in the efficacy of the King James or its various tributaries, like the new King James, for example, which I like. If you really believe in the efficacy of that, and that's a strong tradition for you and you know, I don't have a problem. Even if you say to your fellow congregants, this is the one we're going to use, it's church policy, so we're all singing off the same hymn book. I don't have a problem with that. Right, okay. But if you take it to the close handed, it's the only Translation, the rest are corrupted. You're actually kind of getting really close to, frankly, well, Jehovah's Witnesses kind of territory with stuff like that. So. All right, moving on. Dan in Wisconsin says, I think your audience needs to hear this from a fellow audience member. What you did to put Zach Lane in a position to win is why we tune into your show. You led and you delivered. You maximized your influence and embodied the John Quincy Adams quote that you've been using on your show recently. That duty is ours and outcomes belong to God or results are God's. This is a reminder to us all that we have a duty as well, in whatever area we have influence in, even when it may be awkward or uncomfortable. The people in Iowa and the rest of us in the country listening, wherever we all should be thank, wherever we are, should be thankful for your efforts. Keep having our backs and we'll do the same. Well done, good and faithful servant. I shared this because I got this quite a bit, and I'm very appreciative. You guys know, I'm really uncomfortable taking compliments from people, so I. I do appreciate it, Dan, that is very kind. And all of you that sent a similar note also appreciate that as well. I hear from our governor, our current governor, Kim Reynolds, that Zach made his debut as our nominee at the Republican Governor's association earlier this week and absolutely crushed it, I'm told, like, because, you know, you don't know if you have a complete and total outsider like this, are they up to the task? Right. I mean, our base at times has not picked people who were ready. And then we got burned by that later, Marjorie Taylor Greene and people like that, you know what I'm saying? There's been some examples of that, and then there have been some examples where they picked them before they were ready and they turned out to be great, you know. And so I was told that Zach absolutely crushed it at his kind of debutante ball with the rga, which is big because you got to show the donors, hey, I'm going to stretch you on policy. It's a little bit like what I've done in my own career. I'm going to stretch you and hold firm here on what I say on the show, but off the air, I'm going to be as absolutely friendly, flexible, and affable and helpful as I possibly can be because I'm still just a real person. I just have really strong convictions. I'm, you know, I'm a real person, though. And I think it was important for Zach to do that and to demonstrate that he's capable now of carrying a banner. Right. Because every. Every Republican version of Republican in our party now has their hopes in his hands. And so can he maintain his convictions while also demonstrating that he can be the standard bearer for all of us? And so I was told his first attempt at doing that earlier this week was. Went off very well with that group.
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Aaron McIntyre
So we acknowledge the impact of what you did on the show last week in the aftermath. I think we probably downplayed it and to some degree as well. Just that's kind of the natural thing, as you mentioned in your preamble there. But when you take a look now that there's some distance behind, I think the point that you made, the lesson about Trump's endorsement, it's just as powerful as it ever has been and maybe even more so in Iowa. And yet we were having conversations, I think, off the air, it was looking as if this was gonna go to a convention without Randy Feenstra finishing in the top two places there, because that's how far back it looked like he was pulling. So Trump, in the aftermath, now, Trump's endorsement did wonders for Randy Feenstra.
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Steve Day
At least 10 points.
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Aaron McIntyre
And you couple that with a larger than expected turnout by like, four to six points. Off the top of my head, probably larger turnout. We probably undersold. And I'm not. Again, you're gonna say you're gonna pay me, I hope, the same amount of money you usually pay me. We probably maybe a little more underplayed how big of an impact that was. And the note from the viewer kind of underscored what I said last week. My big takeaway. There are no nights off. There are no nights off when you're in the business of fighting for your country. So helmet sticker. I don't know if I'm allowed to give those.
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Steve Day
I'll take one. You know, I love. I love a good helmet sticker. And Zach, listen, Zach's been, from the night of and thereafter has been exceedingly gracious to me and pointing out the role that we played and in this happening. So I'm good. You know, I don't. You know, I appreciate it. What I need Zach to do now, you know, quote Adrian, win. I need him to win now. Now he's got to win. You know, I think we have way more of a chance to win than we had with Randy as our nominee. And I think you can see by how their entire messaging apparatus has changed on the other side that this is true. And they were not going to get the run against the unpopular congressman, not have him really aggressively call us out for our radical social positions because he's trying to make sure everybody knows he's not like one of us, one of our kind of Republicans at the same. The, the whole Mitt. Mitt Romney phenomenon, which is why these guys never win as a standard bearer. Now at least we get to play offense. Now we at least get to challenge, you know, the Democrats on their radical positions in our state and take advantage of how successful we've been, turning our state red with the huge voter registration numbers that we have superior to theirs. We at least now get. It still may not be enough. You know, I don't, I don't know what the next five months looks like. I, I don't know if Iran signs a deal today and then drops a nuclear bomb on the United Arab Emirates or Israel and that they've been keeping secret, you know, or one of their terrorist cells does it in five months. And so we're in World War Three. Three weeks. Three, three minutes before the mid. I don't know. I don't know. Yeah. That's why you have to always make sure, control what you can control. Right? Control what you do, not worry about what you can't control. Worry about what you can. Right? So I knew that I could control making, helping people to rethink how this vote was going to go down based on the potential outcomes with what I did, that's all I could do. I couldn't do anymore. You know, And Zach and his team had to do one heck of a job of building a campaign to be in a position to take a. For me to be able to do something like that. And now their job is to take it from there and, and go and win and govern well with it. You have any thoughts? Are we good?
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Todd Erzin
Well, I, I think I agree wholeheartedly with Aaron's sentiment about underplaying it because it. We could have moved on and talked at length about this. See, this isn't primarily an election issue. It's a really important election, but it's a citizen issue. It's a do your duty issue in all things great and small. You don't know. And this was kind of ramping up this scenario for a while. But in life in general, you don't always even know that just because this was a surprise came out of left field, whatever the issue issue is, finding excuses is not your duty. Being addicted to leisure pursuits is not your duty. Leading your family, your church and your culture is your duty. The opportunities Come up all the time. Sometimes there's a surprise. Sometimes you should have seen them coming. Whatever it was, in this moment, Steve did his duty. Election or not, that's the important thing. And the thing we call you to on this show all the time.
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Aaron McIntyre
Can I hijack something real quick here? This is starting to bug me. I heard you guys talking about this during the break. I saw this on the front page of the Des Moines Register this morning. I saw this story earlier this week. It came from an outlet I've never heard of before. Have you guys heard about this is from an account called pennygirl. Is Steve aware of all of the outsourcing Governor Reynolds supposedly completed this week, displacing significant number of Iowans? I'm in Pennsylvania, but I saw this getting pretty high X traffic in the last few days. Is this an op? If somebody from Pennsylvania is well aware of some sort of scandal of outsourcing of IT workers in Iowa, this smells like an optimist.
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Todd Erzin
Yeah.
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Steve Day
I can tell you that it's not true that the governor's like outsourced this to H1BS or. That was some of the original stories.
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Todd Erzin
Right? Right.
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Steve Day
These are. This is just simply nothing. Nothing. Nothing other than just we got to make some cuts. Government's too big. That's all. It's just government cuts. This was not done to make way for H1BS or more foreigners to come in and take these jobs. It was just simply government's too big. We got to make some cuts. We have to balance the budget every year here in the state of Iowa. All right, Fiscal year is about to end here on June 30th. So by law, we have to have a balanced budget. We can't convene the state. We have to have a balanced budget every single fiscal year. So this was just simply about balancing the state budget and not giving rob sand deficits to run on. It's not some H1B visa scam is what I'm told.
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Todd Erzin
And like the great governor that Kim Reynolds is, she saw that there was some gray area out there in terms of how people were receiving that I was one of them. She replied, instead of just letting it ride, she said, no, absolutely not. She made it clear on social media, you know, that she has done that on so many issues and led us to places we thought impossible before. Her leadership was here is because she will make sure the fight and the argument is abundantly clear and we are in her debt for that. And again, thank you for clearing that up again. Once again, Governor Reynolds, I'm glad you
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Steve Day
brought that up, Aaron. Thank you. All right. This part of the show brought to you by our friends over at Jevity, all right. Which is short for longevity. How do you live? Not just longer. That's not good enough. Right. It's the. It's healthier, active. How do you finish your race? Right. How do you do it? Well, they've got blood work that tests everything. Hormones, inflammation levels, metabolic health, nutrient levels. More than just your annual physical check, for sure, to make sure that you get the fullness of profile of where you really stand health wise. Then they'll conduct a plan for you with supplements and other suggestions with their care team to decide, you know, what's the best way for you to improve your situation or maybe you're in a great situation. What's the best way for you to maintain that as you get older. All right, so they want to be there with you every step of the way if you want to be there with them. I use these guys. I've been using their supplements for the last couple of months now. I feel absolutely great. I was blown away by how both thorough and accessible their blood panel was with me that they walked me through it individually. They'll do the same for you too. Get 20% off right now@gojevity.com use the code DACE for that discount. So it's Jevity G E V I t I G e v I t I gojevity.com days codedase I would urge you do this instead of your normal physical blood panel this year and just get more information about what's really going on there under the. Under the skin. All right. Gojevity.com code dace for 20 off all right, let's continue on here. Let's go here. With the amount of emails you receive saying where are all the good Christian men and women? I present the following idea. Dasis dates. Aaron can screen the applicants, creating an AI intro video for each based on what they sent in. Todd takes the information and makes the connections with the tagline and every match notification. Let's get comfortable. Getting uncomfortable. You and your daughter can take the roles of the mentors and coaches for the applicants. No offense to my daughter or but it should be Amy. She's been at this marriage thing a little bit longer and she's also a professional. Could be entertaining for both of you guys and and challenging to the respective sexes as far as finding the right mate. That is another Zach's idea. Daces dates. What do you think.
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Todd Erzin
If there's an opportunity for viability on this. I'm all ears. I'm just. The three of us should not be part of the screening process on any level. We would turn this. There would be shenanigans involved.
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Aaron McIntyre
This is a fantastic idea. I mean, if there's one thing when people who know who I am think of when they think Aaron McIntyre, matchmaker.
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Todd Erzin
Exactly.
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Aaron McIntyre
That's the one thing they think about.
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Steve Day
Everyone knows this.
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Aaron McIntyre
Everyone knows.
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Steve Day
Yes.
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Aaron McIntyre
Matchmaker.
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Todd Erzin
I don't want to be around people at all, so let me help put them together. Sure.
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Steve Day
Let's say we did this. Right. Let's say we did this. Like, how would we do the screening? How would we do that?
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Todd Erzin
By letting our wives and daughters do.
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Steve Day
Could be said, though, that our wives may not be qualified. They may have terrible taste in men. Depending on your perspective in this audience on the. On you and I and Aaron, they might think, well, I don't know if you chose these guys. I'm not sure we want you screening potential mates for us.
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Todd Erzin
They didn't enjoy themselves, though, while doing it. No. I'm sorry.
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Steve Day
It would be fascinating to watch my wife go through this, given what she does now for. For a career where she's doing, you know, Christian counseling and the like, and just to see what she would recommend. And it's. And I think I've told you guys this several times before. We. It's very funny. She always takes the guy side. Always. And I always take the woman side. Do you guys have the same dynamics in your homes when these kind of topics come up? My wife is always like, women today are just terrible. Have a lot of issues. I'm like, the men of today have no excuse whatsoever.
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Aaron McIntyre
I don't think the Erzin household has that dynamic, probably.
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Steve Day
At least not as far as in the Urzen household. Everyone is without excuse.
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Todd Erzin
Yeah. Yes. That's more accurate. I was looking for the words. And Aaron, he was my wingman. Yes.
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Steve Day
What about in the McIntyre household? Right. How do you guys discuss this kind of stuff when relationship stuff is trending in the news and stuff like that?
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Aaron McIntyre
We trend. We tend towards the everyone is without excuse as well.
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Steve Day
So. All right, so we're just terrible people is what you guys are telling me. We're just soft.
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Todd Erzin
Who?
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Steve Day
Amy and I. Oh, we are racked with toxic empathy for the opposite gender. Is that what you're telling me?
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Todd Erzin
No, I think there's just a little devil's advocate stuff going on there. You know, I mean, that's. That's rational.
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Steve Day
Let's be serious for a second. If we could Give.
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Todd Erzin
I was totally serious.
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Steve Day
I know that you were. I know that you were asked and answered. Your honor. I know. Yes. If we could give one practical piece of advice for someone on either, either male or female looking for the spouse, their spouse, what would it be?
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Todd Erzin
We've given it before and it was relatively recently. I don't know what the context though, but to quote the great prophet Sam Kinison, mover, the food is. Yes. See, a lot of you on both sides make this complaint and you aren't willing to realize that you're part of the problem. You gotta. You gotta alter something, get in the game in a different way.
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Steve Day
My wife moved all the way to Iowa. Look how that turned out.
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Todd Erzin
I don't know what I. There's a. You're. A lot of these people are very set in their ways and they're not gonna change. And they like what they like and they want what they want and they just want a sidecar to come along to augment all that. Steve, you've said in the context of a different thing, but what if you suck, right?
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Steve Day
Yeah, what if you suck?
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Todd Erzin
But what if you. I'm like, you're not. What if you're just living and doing and being in a way that is just not going to attract what you want or even think you want? You got to look yourself in the mirror on this one. All of male and female. Because if you just want what you want without want to let. Yeah, but you know, I just like a little something on the side too. No, you don't deserve it, Aaron.
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Aaron McIntyre
Yeah, that's good advice. Just keep the main thing, the main thing, the standards versus expectations when you're looking for a spouse, closed hand. He's got to love Jesus. He's got to take care of himself. He has to be some form of ambitious. And I'm not talking about. I'm not talking about like, oh, I want to go to Mars someday. No, I'm. Ambition should be the baseline for men ambition, meaning I'm going to go to the next hill. Regardless of what that is, whether that's in your job right now, whether that's with your job and then some on the outside, but also making sure that your priorities are straight as well. That's why I put him in that area. So love Jesus takes care of himself, is ambitious. Those are kind of the closed handed things. And then of course, the calculus would be different. She's got to love Jesus. She's got to probably desire family and there's probably tertiary concerns as well that you would you would probably put in a closed hand for, for looking for a female.
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Steve Day
I would say make sure you're living the way your potential spouse would want to see you living the day that you meet. Because you never know when you're going to meet them. I'd say that. All right, more feedback. Friday in a moment.
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Wow.
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Rolled that out for a minute.
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Todd Erzin
Yes.
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Steve Day
I'm trying to remember, but it sounds like it's right.
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Todd Erzin
Yes.
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Steve Day
Okay, so here's a couple of notes on each side. All right. For to share. All right. This is from John Gibson. He's in Vermont. No abolitionist I've ever Known wants all women executed or imprisoned for life after an abortion. Those punishments should be on the table. But we have a criminal justice system to way circumstance and punishment can change can range from lenient to severe. We abolitionists already espouse incrementalism within sentencing, but must start with the premise that murder is, well, murder. The women are victim approached. The women are victim approach has not worked since Roe in any meaningful way ever. Most importantly is the gospel. And talking to women outside abortion mills. The only approach that really ever works is a coherent and consistent presentation of the gospel. And that starts with the guilt and sin or the guilt of sin. Not that they are a victim and come out and, and come access the genie God who loves them unconditionally. And we know that you're not saying that on the Steve Day show, but a righteous, you know, triumph or triune holy Lord, they respond to an unyielding, consistently biblical message. I agree this is not politically viable yet, but the proposal you put forth seems like saying during slavery abolition we can't outlaw slavery. So let us agree not to sell families apart and prosecute slave owners who massively mistreat their property. No, we need a consistent message that calls people to Christ through the gospel and act like we stand for what we say we do. That will eventually change hearts and souls, God willing. I just don't think pragmatism in this works. Forgive me. It even smacks kind of of a seeker sensitive approach. Best wishes and thank you guys for continuing to bring this issue to the floor. Thoughts from John? We'll hear from the other side in a second.
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Todd Erzin
Well, there's. He left something open and he suggested it. His analogy about slaves and we can't get rid of slavery, but we might be able to get rid of separating families. Are you, you have to answer a question now. Are you saying if that's the best you could do, it's not worth doing at all? Because that seems to be. And I agree with a lot of the analysis of your letter, but that's the first thing I'd want to know to understand the integrity of your argument. Are you saying if that's a, if that's an acceptable analogy and I don't reject it on its face, I don't either. I don't think Steve would react because I know how Steve would have reacted if it wasn't he and you would have been right to be on the receiving end of that things since that didn't happen. I think he. You have to answer that question. Is it, is it Wrong to get the best you can if it literally saves lives, improves lives. So I don't. I accept your analogy, but I don't think you're. I think it might boomerang back on you.
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Steve Day
Can I respond to that? Since he did try to analogize my exam, my proposal, I don't think it's a bad analogy, which is why I didn't take umbrage with it. In some respects, it might even be a really good one. I think there's a difference between. I had a conversation with an abolitionist in our state legislature, great guy who literally grew up, like, listening to my show. Okay. And he was really struggling with what to do with the abortion pill legislation that they were proposing. And I said, here's the difference between. Is. Here's what I would define because I've opposed a lot of things over the years that were so called incrementalism. All right? Because in the case of increment, what are we incrementally granting? Whose premise? Whose premise are we granting? If we're granting the other side's premise, then we're just losing slower, and it's not incrementalism. And I argued with him. If we're going to seriously try to do something as a state about turning mailboxes into abortion mills, and I'm not sure what we can necessarily do because, you know, the US Postal Service is a federally regulated industry, not by the state of Iowa or any other state, but if we're going to try that anyway, that would directly save lives. Right? Like it would directly. Can we sit here and say right now that if women had. In the state of Iowa, if we. Even if it was just for. Even if just for two weeks until some federal judge said, you can't do that, would it. Would that piece of legislation directly lead to less loss of life for the. From the period of time it was enacted to the period of time it was challenged? And I would say the answer is yes. Is it good enough long term?
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Todd Erzin
No.
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Steve Day
No. But would it lead? Would it save lives right now? To me, that's the difference. All right. Because if we're. Then we're advancing. To me, there was an argument about anesthetizing babies. I totally opposed it. Why? Because we're granting the premise then that as long as the baby doesn't feel the dismemberment, go for it. That's. That's their premise. All right? We are arguing the sanctity of life. They're arguing the quality of life. And then sanctity means that God determines What that means or a force or a power beyond us. Quality means we're. We are in a utilitarian ethic determining what that means. That's totally subjective by nature, right?
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Todd Erzin
Yeah.
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Steve Day
And so that's how I always define it. You may disagree, and that's okay, but, you know, that's how I've conducted my pro life, you know, ministry throughout my career. If I thought what you were going to do legitimately would save lives right now, I was in favor of it. If I thought what you were trying to do would not, or had no chance whatsoever of doing anything other than helping a bunch of people who aren't really serious about saving babies, pretend otherwise, then I've opposed it. That's kind of how I've operated. Aaron, what are your thoughts on this?
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Aaron McIntyre
Yeah, I mean, this is the part. Don't make the perfect the enemy of the good. No, you've heard those all of your life. You've heard those excuses all of your life. I understand, but that's where I was going to dial down on if it is. So let's just say you have two buttons in front of you. One button is the status quo. Things stay exactly the way they are right now. I'm talking to the letter writer because I think that was a good analogy. Stay the exact same way they are right now. Or two, implementing Steve's compromise right now with the idea there's no strings attached. It could get better in 10 years. It could get better tomorrow. We could enact legislation in two years tomorrow. That's. But that's still on the table. It might still be on the table if you were faced with that scenario. Again, it's a. I'm just illustrating this for effect. I'm illustrating this as a thought experiment, I guess is more precise to say, which button would you push? Yeah, it doesn't mean you're a bad person. It doesn't mean that you're giving up the overall premise of your argument if you press the second button, which is Steve's compromise at all, and it doesn't, you know, I don't think you would push the first button if you had that ability to wave a magic wand with this button push. So I just think we have to reframe our thinking. You are advancing incremental. And I wanted to say this yesterday as well, but it is. I saw this post earlier this week trying to figure out, hey, why is the birth rate collapsing in much of the modern, much of the Western world? And I wish I could give credit to whoever posted this, but Essentially, the thought was, the things that are hard for us but good for us are the most expensive. At the exact same time, the things that are easy and bad for us are the most popular and most easy to obtain. The same thing is kind of, I think, kind of true in this realm. We won the debate on what is a life. We really have. We won that debate, what is a life? And as you pointed out yesterday, Steve, in terms of the long battle for life, a breath later, we had our biggest victory at the Supreme Court. But at the exact same time, the stage of degeneracy on the other side is shooting up, meaning we won the argument about what a life. Just as at the time that our opponents became comfortable saying, yeah, I killed my baby and I do it again. I know it's alive. I know it's alive. I know he's a baby. I know she's a baby. I would do it again. It's murder. I don't care. So we're going to have to keep incrementally, we are going to have to, and hopefully in some big jumps as well, pushing, pushing the premise that you pointed out yesterday, that is a life and therefore it is protected. And therefore what comes after that may not happen tomorrow, but that's the premise that we should be going for.
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Steve Day
Yeah, I'm fine incrementally pushing my premise. I'm not going to incrementally push theirs.
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Aaron McIntyre
No.
- [94:26]
Steve Day
All right. Nicole says, I don't, I just don't think as that the mom should be charged with first degree murder. Murder for killing their baby. But the doctor who took an oath to first do no harm should have their license revoked and should also face murder charges. And we should punish this Biblically. I don't think this would be the bad thing that they think it would be politically. I just read a post from an influencer whose wife just killed her baby at 21 weeks gestation because the baby had the gene that causes down syndrome. So she's talking about the YouTube case not because she would die, but because she would have to make sacrifices in her life for her child to live and thrive. It made my stomach turn. I firmly believe that if God allowed conception to happen, as humans and parents, we have the obligation to protect that image bearer of God with our own lies, our own lives. I know I'm not the only mom of three special needs kids that feels this way. Thanks for everything you do and your teams do. That's the thing. And by the way, the man from Vermont agrees. We could he. He's as an abolitionist, we could have incrementalism in terms of the sentencing. Right. There's not everything is a first degree murder charge. We have homicide and voluntary homicide. Right. I mean, vehicular homicide. First degree, second degree. Yeah. Third degree. I mean. Yep. The manslaughter. Yep. Correct. There's. There's lots of ways to characterize this. But. But, you know, I. I think if we're. If we're now in an era where you're gonna brag, I committed murder and I'm proud of it, then I think we undermine our own argument. Now, if we don't punish that, I'll give you guys the last word on the show. That or anything else here. We got about a minute to go. What do you think?
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Aaron McIntyre
Yeah, I. I kind of think that if you take this thinking from the letter writer to its logical conclusion, you're kind of coming up with your own morality outside of God's design. And I saw the same thing just coming from the other premise last week. I think it was Mike Cernovich, very prominent right wing poster. He said something just. He posts quite a bit, in my estimation. That's my opinion. But he said something like, you know, the ironic thing about the pro life movement is if they got their way 40 years ago, America would be overrun with communists. And then I looked at the comment section and it was full of people ostensibly right wing. Oh, that's why I'm okay with being pro life. One of them said the most likely to be aborted are black babies. And, you know, if the left wants to kill themselves, then, you know, well, so be it. No, that's just evil. That's just an evil way of thinking. It is wicked and God's not going to bless that. That's just kind of the same level of thinking just coming from the other side of looking glass.
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Steve Day
Amen.
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Todd Erzin
That's the operative word. This is we've lied to ourselves. My. I mean, it's. It's Steve, it's our entire adult life and yours very directly. But this is evil that does not sleep. And we have just kind of gotten used to it. We can't. One way or the other. We must all fight back together.
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Steve Day
Have a great weekend. Hope to see you again on Monday. Until then, go hard. Romans 8. 28.
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Sam
Sam.