Here Are the TOP 2 Things Republicans HAVE to Do Before the Midterms | 4/28/26

Summary

Steve Deace Show — Summary of April 28, 2026 Episode

Episode Title: Here Are the TOP 2 Things Republicans HAVE to Do Before the Midterms
Main Theme:
This episode zeroes in on the urgent challenges and imperatives facing the Republican Party ahead of the 2026 midterm elections. With characteristic snark and principled conservatism, Steve Deace, Todd Erzin, and Aaron McIntyre analyze major news stories—ranging from Middle East oil upheaval and attempted political assassinations to the long-awaited prosecution of a COVID-era bureaucrat. They break down the existential issues facing GOP turnout and policy infrastructure, culminating in “the top two things Republicans must do” to win.

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Key Segments and Insights

1. Geopolitical Earthquake: UAE Exits OPEC, Global Oil Upheaval

Timestamps: 00:01–03:36

• UAE’s Departure: The UAE’s unexpected exit from OPEC is called a “bombshell”—interpreted as the possible fallout from sustained missile aggression, likely from Iran.
• Strait of Hormuz Tensions: Secretary of State Marco Rubio warns that Iranian “permission” to use the Strait is not legitimate access, but de facto extortion and control.
• US Administration Perspective: Todd Erzin underscores that the “normalization” of Iranian extortion over an international waterway is unacceptable and dangerous.
• Domestic Economic Concerns: Steve notes that with oil surging over $100/barrel, American voters’ chief concern remains inflation and cost of living.

Notable Quotes:

• Todd Erzin (00:48): “[Iran’s] not opening the straits… Those are international waterways they cannot normalize. Nor can we tolerate them trying to normalize a system in which the Iranians decide who gets to use an international waterway.”
• Steve Dace (03:36): “Jeffries popping off in Washington about Florida… Please be my guest. I will pay for you to come down to Florida and campaign…”

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2. Redistricting and the Political Battleground

Timestamps: 03:00–04:16

• Redistricting Victories/Losses: Democrats claim redistricting supremacy in Virginia; the Supreme Court allows Texas’s GOP-favorable map; DeSantis unveils a plan expected to net Republicans four seats in Florida.
• Political Rhetoric Escalates: Hakeem Jeffries doubles down on “maximum warfare everywhere, all the time” rhetoric, brushing off criticism.
• DeSantis Responds: Wry invitation for Jeffries to campaign in Florida; asserts Floridians would reject his agenda.

Notable Quotes:

• Buck Sexton as DeSantis (03:36): “There’s nothing that could be better for Republicans in Florida than to see Jeffries… everywhere around this state, voters will not like what they see.”

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3. Republican Midterm Realities & Top Two Imperatives

Timestamps: 06:33–28:12

Imperative #1: Fixing Base Turnout Erosion

• Voter apathy and “severe base erosion” across red states like Iowa threaten Republican prospects.
• Emphasizes Republicans need 95% turnout of their base, not just 85%.
• Advocacy for “the SAVE Act” — election integrity is framed as the party’s credibility issue with its own base.
• Steve warns: Without passing it, midterm turnout craters and “irreparable damage” to base enthusiasm ensues.

Imperative #2: Delivering on Kitchen Table Economics

• 55% of Americans (Gallup) say they’re financially worse off—a daunting trend for incumbents.
• Republicans need to engineer an “economic miracle”: lowering inflation, cost of living, and delivering concrete results, especially as midterms revolve around economic pain, not DC drama.

Philosophical Approach

• “Do everything it takes to win, except that which explicitly violates God’s word.”
• Deace draws analogies from military history (e.g., Stalingrad, scorched earth, Don’t fight fair—fight smart).

Notable Quotes:

• Steve Dace (11:47): “We must… do everything it takes to win, except that which explicitly violates God’s word. Everything else.”
• Steve Dace (24:50): “If they can’t put that bill [the SAVE Act] on the President’s desk, there is no step two.”
• Steve Dace (28:12): “We have two things we have to accomplish, and in this order…”

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4. COVID Accountability Arrives: David Morens Indicted

Timestamps: 33:34–46:53

• Guest: Jeffrey Tucker (Brownstone Institute): The indictment of Dr. David Morens, longtime Fauci aide, marks the first prosecution of COVID-era bureaucratic wrongdoing.
• Morens’s “Confession”: Caught “bragging” in emails about dodging FOIA transparency and facilitating the COVID origins cover-up.
• Tucker’s Take: Sees Morens as a “sympathetic character,” describes the post-apocalyptic ideology Morens and Fauci pushed.
• The Big Picture: Explains the scheme: covering up lab leak origins, orchestrating lockdowns, pursuing mass inoculations for personal/ideological glory.
• Outlook: Tucker expects Morens will “sing” in exchange for a plea deal—potentially exposing higher-ups.

Notable Quotes:

• Jeffrey Tucker (34:09): “The fact that it is the first one [indictment] is the news… I hope it’s just the first of many because there’s so much to know.”
• Jeffrey Tucker (39:46): “My guess is that he’s gonna sing for the prosecution in exchange for a plea agreement of some sort.”

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5. Manufacturing Delusion: Buck Sexton on Mass Indoctrination

Timestamps: 79:39–95:44

• Interview: Buck Sexton (Clay & Buck Show): On his new book, “Manufacturing Delusion.”
• Modern Propaganda: Describes how psychological tactics of totalitarian regimes now operate via modern mass media and smartphones to spread confusion, degradation, and “menticide.”
• Pronouns, Language, and Control: Changing language shapes thought. E.g., “illegal alien” → “migrant” as a subtle but powerful manipulation.
• Right’s Complicity: Sexton warns that conservative self-censorship (adopting leftist language, going soft on certain terms) accelerates mass delusion.
• AI and Deepfakes: Raises alarms over the weaponizable future of AI and neural implants.

Notable Quotes:

• Buck Sexton (82:37): “How can millions believe things that are so clearly untrue?… The psychological pathways totalitarian regimes used line up with what the left is doing today.”
• Buck Sexton (87:23): “When they say you can’t say ‘illegal alien’… those are the seeds of totalitarian mind control, even if they can seem small or insignificant.”

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6. Fake News or Not — Media, Morality, and Cultural Contrasts

Timestamps: 51:13–78:16

• Panel analyzes media behavior (low-class reactions to the WH Correspondents shooting), debates on Pope Francis’s stance on the death penalty (vs. the “fullness” represented by Bishop Fulton Sheen), and the culture of “false compassion.”
• Discussion veers into the dangers of the left leveraging scandals like Epstein, and how the right sometimes gives them openings.
• Marjorie Taylor Greene’s latest social media feud with Trump is cited as an example of how the former president reveals people’s “true colors.”

Notable Quotes:

• Steve Dace (59:57): “These people are all dressed to the nines… Let me grab a couple bottles to take home. Let me grab a selfie. It almost looks like a scene out of a parody of a reality show.”
• Bishop Fulton Sheen (c.70:16): “False compassion, which is gradually growing in this country… is pity shown not to the mugged, but the mugger; not to the family of the murdered, but to the murderer...”

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Memorable Moments & Notable Quotes (with Timestamps)

• Steve Dace on GOP battle plan (14:18): “When it becomes standard operating procedure… you are at war. So now… you don’t get rid [of the FISA program]—you weaponize it against your enemies.”
• Jeffrey Tucker (34:09): “This is just a thrilling and excellent thing that’s happened. It had to happen.”
• Buck Sexton (82:37): “There must be tactics… The psychological pathways totalitarian regimes used line up with what the left is doing today.”
• Bishop Fulton Sheen (70:16): “Today the decent man is practically off the reservation… This is the false compassion.”
• Steve Dace on Trump’s effect (76:32): “I’m just not aware of any figure in American history where more people have been anxious to reveal who they really are in response to them.”

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Summary Table of Major Topics

| Segment | Timestamps | Focus | Notable Quote | |---------------------------|-------------------|----------------------------------------------------------|-------------------------------------------------------------| | Global Oil Upheaval | 00:01–03:36 | UAE leaves OPEC; Strait of Hormuz; Iran tensions | Todd Erzin: “That’s not opening the straits…” | | Redistricting Battles | 03:00–04:16 | TX, VA, FL maps; Jeffries vs. DeSantis | Buck Sexton: “Voters will not like what they see.” | | GOP Imperatives | 06:33–28:12 | Base erosion & economic turnaround required | Steve Dace: “We must… do everything it takes to win…” | | COVID Accountability | 33:34–46:53 | David Morens indictment; Jeffrey Tucker’s analysis | Jeffrey Tucker: “Hope it’s just the first of many.” | | Mass Delusion/Propaganda | 79:39–95:44 | Buck Sexton on psychological manipulation, media, AI | Buck Sexton: “There are no neutral lies.” | | ‘Fake News or Not’ Panel | 51:13–78:16 | Media behavior, death penalty, false compassion, MG Taylor| Bishop Sheen: “False compassion… is pity shown to the mugger”|

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Cohesive, Flowing Takeaways

• Geopolitical events are surging—both literally and figuratively—with the UAE’s OPEC exit signaling major downstream risks for American wallets and political stability heading into the midterms.
• Democrats’ hardball tactics, especially around redistricting, are met with GOP attempts to match their “do whatever it takes to win” philosophy—so long as it doesn’t violate core biblical principles.
• The show’s central claim: Republicans’ only chance in 2026 is (1) Fixing deep base turnout problems via legislative action on election integrity (the SAVE Act), and (2) delivering rapid, visible improvements on the economy and cost of living.
• A glimmer of COVID accountability finally arrives—with the Morens prosecution—offering both vindication and a potential cascade effect as more facts come to light.
• Buck Sexton’s historical primer draws striking lines between old-school totalitarian propaganda and today’s digital mass delusion, warning conservatives that self-censorship and language games only strengthen the left’s hand.
• The culture war rages on—whether in the halls of Congress, the legacy of Catholic moral teaching, or internet feuds—a reminder that the fight is not just for policy but for narrative reality itself.

Overall Tone:
A blend of gallows humor, policy urgency, and cultural analogies—Deace and his crew blend history, political insight, and biting wit while warning Republicans that survival in 2026 requires both principle and “scorched earth” resolve.

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For Listeners Who Missed the Episode:
This show delivers a bracing tour of American and world events shaping the 2026 elections and drills into why principled, strategic, and aggressive action is essential for any GOP success—set against a backdrop of propaganda wars, existential policy battles, and a culture careening between “false compassion” and post-truth radicalism.

Transcript

[Steve Dace]

It's the Steve Day show. And here's what happened while we were away, brought to you by a bombshell in the Middle east, figuratively for once, the United Arab Emirates is leaving OPEC starting Friday in a major blow to the cartel that on paper coordinates production among many of the world's largest oil producers, particularly those in the Middle East. The UAE has played an influential role in OPEC's decisions over nearly six decades. It was the group's third largest oil producer in February behind Saudi Arabia and Iraq. United Arab Emirates did not specify why it's leaving OPEC right now, but we suspect it could have something to do with all the incoming missiles it sustained from another OPEC country for going on months now. On the topic of Iran, Secretary of State Marco Rubio says the headlines about Iran's supposed willingness to open the Strait of Hormuz are slightly misleading.

[Todd Erzin]

If what they mean by opening the straits is yes, the straits are opened as long as you coordinate with Iran, get our permission or we'll blow you up and you pay us. That's not opening the straits. Those are international waterways they cannot normalize. Nor can we tolerate them trying to normalize a system in which the Iranians decide who gets to use an international waterway and how much you have to pay them to use it back at home.

[Steve Dace]

U.S. attorney for the District of Columbia Jeanine Pirro says the three charges against the latest would be Trump assassin are just the beginning.

[Todd Erzin]

There will be additional charges as this investigation continues to unfold.

[Buck Sexton]

But make no mistake, this was an

[Todd Erzin]

attempted assassination of the President of the United States with the defendant making clear what is in intent was. And that intent was to bring down as many of the high ranking cabinet

[Buck Sexton]

officials as he could.

[Steve Dace]

House Minority Leader Hakeem Jeffries says he's not dialing back his political rhetoric as

[Buck Sexton]

it relates to anything that has been said, certainly as it relates to the comment related to maximum warfare everywhere, all the time in connection with the redistricting battle that Republicans launched. I stand by it. You can continue to criticize me for it. I don't give a damn about your criticism.

[Steve Dace]

Chuck Todd, your thoughts?

[Buck Sexton]

I'm not going to any more events

[Todd Erzin]

where Trump's at him. I don't feel safe.

[Steve Dace]

Wherever Donald Trump, chaos follows him.

[Buck Sexton]

Chaos follows him and you are less safe.

[Todd Erzin]

Right.

[Steve Dace]

Let's just reset that real quick, shall we?

[Buck Sexton]

Maximum warfare everywhere, all the time. I stand by it. I don't give a damn about your criticism. I'm not going to any more events

[Todd Erzin]

where Trump's at him. I don't feel safe.

[Steve Dace]

Fortunately, Democrats like Jamie Raskin are indeed doing their best to pull back the rhetoric in the aftermath of the latest attempted assassination of Trump in the last couple of years.

[Todd Erzin]

I have a responsibility problem with Donald Trump at all. I mean, I talk about the policies of this administration, the authoritarianism.

[Steve Dace]

I have no problem with Donald Trump, just simple disagreements on policies and the fact that he's literally Hitler, Jamie Raskin

[Jeffrey Tucker]

says, you know what you do?

[Buck Sexton]

You buy yourself a tape recorder. You just record yourself for a whole day.

[Todd Erzin]

I think you're going to be surprised at some of your phrasing.

[Steve Dace]

On the other matter Hakeem Jefferson Jeffries was talking about, he couched his comments about maximum warfare against Trump as being about redistricting efforts around the country. Well, after last week's successful Virginia referendum on redistricting, a massive Democrat majority in the Old Dominion, the Supreme Court gave Texas a final green light on their redistricting efforts yesterday, favorable to Republicans. Also in Florida, Governor Ron DeSantis unveiled his state's planned redistricting, creating a likely pickup of four seats for Republicans in the Sunshine State, essentially equalizing what Virginia did for Democrats last week. Governor DeSantis tells Hakeem Jeffries, this guy

[Buck Sexton]

Jeffries popping off in Washington about Florida, he wants to be speaker of the House. And he's kind of like, you know, more liberal than Pelosi and all this other stuff from New York City. I just want to know. I just, oh, Florida can't do. We're going to go after Florida. Please be my guest. I will pay for you to come down to Florida and campaign. I'll put you up in the Florida governor's mansion. We'll take you fishing, we'll do all this stuff. There's nothing that could be better for Republicans in Florida than to see Jeffries, Hakeem Jeffries, everywhere around this state, voters will not like what they see.

[Steve Dace]

Despite all the bluster about redistricting and all the abject demonism and craziness from the Democrat Party, there still are some massive fundamentals working against Republicans heading into the midterms. According to a new Gallup survey released this morning, Americans number one financial concern by a long shot is still inflation and the high cost of living, with 31% of those surveyed saying it's still their number one concern. The same Gallup survey shows 55% of Americans say their financial situation is getting worse. And that number seems to be trending up, while only 34% say it's getting better. While that number seems to be trending Downwards. Yikes. One thing that could help the Trump White House and Republicans at large is actually prosecuting people who deserve it, like David Morens, a former top advisor to Anthony Fauci at the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, who's facing federal charges. We're learning he's accused of using his personal Gmail account to hide government communications from FOIA requests, allegedly to protect bat coronavirus research grants linked to the Wuhan Institute of Virology. Morens also faces charges of accepting wine and dinners in exchange for publicly pushing the natural origins theory of COVID 19. He faces up to 20 years in prison if convicted. And finally, dispatches from little Mogadishu's favorite congresswoman, Ilhan Omar.

[Jeffrey Tucker]

These people are just idiots.

[Todd Erzin]

I really, you know, I'm at the point where it's become really hard to have an intellectual debate with any of these people because the level of stupidity

[Jeffrey Tucker]

that they are displaying every single day is frankly embarrassing, not just in Congress, but as. As Americans.

[Todd Erzin]

And the fact that these people are

[Jeffrey Tucker]

allowed to say just the most ridiculous things.

[Steve Dace]

Oops, that's an old clip. Here's the right one.

[Todd Erzin]

The last time the Alien Enemies act was invoked, it was used to detain

[Jeffrey Tucker]

and deport German, Japanese, Italian immigrants doing World War 11.

[Steve Dace]

Yeah. Elon Omer's side, as it stands today, is going to win in the midterms. That's what happened while we were away.

[Todd Erzin]

I mean, I know I've been doing a lot of traveling recently. I've been very tired. Had no idea that I slept through nine world wars.

[Aaron McIntyre]

I'm reading a great book.

[Todd Erzin]

I come in every day, Todd, and ask you any breaking news. You didn't tell me I slept through nine world wars.

[Aaron McIntyre]

I've missed a couple.

[Todd Erzin]

All right. There is a lot to get to. We could be looking at a complete global reset of the oil market in there. A reminder to do whatever it takes to win other than that which violates God's word. And then two things that we must do to win the midterms. That and more next year on the Steve Day Show. And greetings. Happy Tuesday. I had a normal day. No jury duty, no travel. You know how much I love my routine. I am in a very, very good mood. I am Steve Dase, he is Todd Erzin, he is Aaron McIntyre. And we are the Steve Day Show. And we are brought to you by our friends over at Jace Medical. If there's one thing that we're learning right now, oil now up to its highest per barrel price, I think, ever right now $101.63 a barrel. least it was when I left for work this morning. All right. We think a single Japanese ship has made it through the Strait of Hormuz. We are unsure. Now, of course, we assume that the administration knows more than us. So the we is literally we, you know, the people. Right. So just another reminder, supply chain issues, you never know when they're going to be at risk. They're not just pumping oil through there, but literally virtually everything that the oil helps to make and produce and pumps itself. Right. This is where you want to go to Jace Medical. The best response to being prepared when things break down is to make sure that you have backups of those things here at home, like the Jace Medical case. Prescription antibiotics and emergency medications for common infections to serious issues. The Jace Daily. That's up to a. A 12 month backup supply of your everyday subscriptions and so much more. Go to jace.com j a s e jace.com Enter the code DACE My last name for a discount on your order at checkout. Code dacejase.com code dace. Also, we want to talk about providential timing. We have Jeffrey Tucker coming on here at the bottom of the hour. You scheduled with him about two weeks ago. Right, Right. Of course, we got to know Jeffrey Tucker from the Brownstone Institute. One of the comrades we came into connection with when we were pushing back on the scamdemic narrative. And one of the reasons that we brought him on two weeks ago. You scheduled him two weeks ago is to talk about no one's being punished for the scammic narrative. And now we have our first attempt at holding someone accountable for what happened during that era. So the timing is absolutely providential to have Jeffrey Tucker on this show here at the bottom of the hour. Also, longtime blazers, you're going to remember the name Buck from Clay and Buck, he's going to be with us. Buck Sexton will be here, the final segment of the show. Kind of providential timing as well, talking about his new book in terms of how the left uses propaganda and other things to essentially create mass delusions similar to what we saw during COVID Right. So the timing of these two guests could not be better. Also the timing for releasing episode six of the COVID up on Blaze tv. It's almost like there are some forces lining all of this harmonic convergence up here. All right. But this is out now. Okay. And. And you want to check it out, use the code lab leak@fauci coverup.com DACE the code lab leak. You'll get $40 off your Blaze TV subscription. You can't beat it. Fauci coverup.com Dace Episode 6 of the COVID up, available now. And you can go back and watch all the other episodes of this full series and everything else that you missed on Blaze TV as well. Foushee Coverup.com Day subscribe today. Use the Code Lab Leak for a massive $40 off your annual subscription. Code lab leak foushee coverup.com days so if I understand the, the Democrats correctly, they're going with, well, I mean, look what Trump was wearing last night. He was kind of asking for it. That's kind of what they're going with, basically. I mean, hey, you're gonna wear those, you know, bleep me pumps, you know, you know, what'd you think she was gonna do when he walked you home? That's kind of where they're going with

[Aaron McIntyre]

me, more or less. Yeah. Yeah.

[Todd Erzin]

I mean, if you wear a sheer dress like that, I mean, nobody's a victim here. I mean, you're egging them on. Right. I mean, I've seen language like this before. Right.

[Aaron McIntyre]

We talked about this yesterday. They, they don't. They feel like they are the good guys.

[Todd Erzin]

Yes. Listen, if, if Trump is literally Hitler, that means they're all.

[Aaron McIntyre]

Yes.

[Todd Erzin]

They're all potential Bonhoeffers. And you could argue that the ones who are actually acting out to the logical conclusion are the ones that are being intellectually honest. It's those using this kind of existential doomsday prophetic language and then just thinking that this is just for rhetorical flourish. They're really the fools.

[Aaron McIntyre]

Yes. Which is why when that graph I Talked about yesterday, 25% of the left thinks violence is acceptable in politics and 3% of the right, well, you can morally congratulate yourself all you want to about being different from them, but then think about Buck Sec. What, what Buck Sexton's book is likely to be about and apply it to that. You, they are. Everybody is being conditioned on both sides on a certain course of action, what thinking that makes you do. And I can't wait to hear what he has to say about that.

[Todd Erzin]

Well, we can't control them. Right. What we have to control is what we can control. And that's when we have Buck Sexton on later and we talk about his book Mass Delusion, how the left is doing this to us. I'm going to ask him, hey, how are we participating in this? How are we exactly? Are there a couple of examples of Individuals, for instance, that you can all think of. And as soon as I said that, without mentioning names, some. Some faces popped into your head, did they not? Some names popped into your head. All of you out there that are tuned in, maybe using some of these exact same tactics while wearing our uniform at the exact same time. Right. We have to take responsibility for what we can control. All right? And we must, number one, do everything it takes to win. Everything it takes to win except that which explicitly. Explicitly not. Well, there might be a tertiary tradition or. Well, that's kind of an unwritten rule. Nope, nope, nope, nope, nope, nope, nope. Unless it explicitly violates God's word. Do everything else it takes to win everything else. You see Texas doing a bit of that today with the redistricting map that the Supreme Court gave the green light to. No surprise Ron DeSantis has made. I mean, that's his life verse. I mean, it's not even in the Bible. All right? Do whatever it takes to win, except that which God says you can't. Okay? That's pretty much how he's, you know, ruled in Florida for the last seven of. Going on eight years now. And we have to be conditioned to do this. The idea, like I told you yesterday, they're not going to tone it down. If they do that, these forces will then just turn around on them. So they're. They're not going to tone it down. This is. They're going to have to be defeated for doing this. And that means we have to control what we can control. One thing we can control. We will do everything it takes to win. So, like on fisa, don't get rid of the program. It's a terrible program. In an ideal world with a. With an intact. With an intact social compact, the higher ideal thing would be when we get power, is to get rid of the program so it can't be used again. That would be the right thing. Right? Right. Are we in that in an era of an intact social compact, is the way that the Democrats and James Comey abused the FISA program, is that an outlier or par for the course in your view, for them?

[Aaron McIntyre]

Par for the par.

[Todd Erzin]

Would you agree that, Aaron, that it's par for the course? Pretty much. So if it's not an outlier, like, hey, if you're in a social compact, we're sinners, we love people are sinners, we're sinners ourselves. There can be an outlier. Right? There can be an outlier. Right. You might be more inclined to forgive your spouse if it was an Outlier that maybe they went further with somebody not named you on a business trip and came home and confessed it to you than if you found out they were hiding all kinds of things from you and then this was par for the course. You see what I'm saying? All right, because we're humans, all of us are an outlier. As the Joker has said more times than I can count to Batman in the comic books, you're just one bad day away from being on my side of this conversation. All right? We are all sinners. We're all potential outliers. We, we can all be one. Therefore, by the grace of God go I one bad decision away from what you doing. We're all capable of this. And so when it's an outlier, you're more inclined to take a message of grace and apply it and maybe a more high minded principle and just say don't ever do that again, otherwise we're gonna have a different conversation. Right? But when it's not an outlier, when it's par for the course, when it becomes standard operating procedure, that means you are at war. And so now here's what you do with a FISA program based on what I just said, you don't get rid of it. You fully fund it. You weaponize it against your enemies. And then after you've accomplished the goal that you wanted to, you've, you've, you've taken out the targets of interest, you've used it against them to take out the targets of interest that you had. Then you get rid of it so they can't come back and do it to you. That's what you do. That's how it works. Like I said in the 24 election, Nebraska should amend the, the separation in its electoral college votes so that we can win. And then turn right back around after that election and put it back in place so that your enemies can. I mean on as they. One of the things that the soap. One of the. One of the great strategic sieges and retreats of all time occurred in World War II. But it wasn't just Dunkirk. Everybody knows Dunkirk. What about Stalingrad? And with the Soviets did there seeing that the. The Germans were confident, Hitler had even publicly vowed the soldiers will be home by for Moscow by Christmas. Even had told the German people this to the point that in order to reinforce that confidence, his own soldiers were not equipped for a Russian winner. Now I'm not sure it was possible in the 1940s to be equipped for a Russian winner with what technology we had back Then. But the Nazis were not it. Especially because the Soviets practiced scorched earth. They burn their own farms. They're like, hey, if you guys are going to drive us back, you're not going to use any of our own resources against you. They scorch their own earth. Figured, hey, we know how to live off the land. We, this is what we do year round. I mean, it's winter here nine months out of the year. We know what to do, you don't. So we're gonna go native. We're going heart of darkness here, Colonel Kurtz. You guys can't live off the land. You guys can't hack it. They were right. It turned the course of the of World War II or World War 11 in their theater. All right, so, yeah, everything other than what God's word says we can't do, we're going to do to win. We have to do to win or we won't. That's step one to controlling what we can control. Step two to controlling what we can control. Now we're going to get more granular here in this particular cycle to have any chance. Listen, we're up against a historic trend for most of you within the sound of my voice, parties that just won the presidency lose the next midterm election. Ronald Reagan lost over 30 House seats, lost a half dozen governorships after he had a sweeping victory in 1980. George Herbert Walker Bush lost the 1990 midterm elections by 8 points on the generic congressional ballot nationwide after he had a sweeping victory in 1988. Bill Clinton had the most dominant win Democrats had had since LBJ in 1964. And then he went up against the Contract with America and got absolutely routed in the 1994 midterm elections in the next very next cycle. The one exception to this was George W. Bush with 9 11. Country was still pretty unified behind him in the immediate aftermath of that. So he actually won the 2002 midterm elections. That's the only time in modern history that a party that won the presidency turned around and won the next midterm as well. That's the only time it's happened. Barack Obama eclipsed Bill Clinton's 1992 victory as the second largest that Democrats have had since FDR. LBJ, 1964, still the largest, and that was 2008. Democrats had a filibuster proof Senate and everything else. Remember that? Right? Yeah, The Tea Party wiped a lot of that out in 2010. And frankly, the 2014 midterms were even worse for Obama than that. There was a nine seat swing in the U.S. senate's races in 2014. Donald Trump wins the presidency in 2016, turns around, loses about 40 House seats in 2017, this or 2018. This has happened. The history, the historical trend is what it is. It was a great accomplishment for Joe Biden's party to, I guess we'll call it, achieve a draw in 2002. They got a draw. I'm sorry, no, in 2022. So that's the historical trend we're up against, period. But if we're being honest, and we're always going to be the do the best we can to be honest here. Now listen, we're in a war. I was initially in favor of getting in, but if we're going to be in it, let's win it. I'm all for winning it. Now that we're here, I'm Team America. But no one voted for this. No one ran on this, no one voted for this. And because we're in this war, we're not talking right now about record tax refunds or really nothing, literally anything else. To overcome the war, you got to try to shoot the president again. Apparently that's the only thing that overcomes coverage of the war right now. And people did vote for thinking that they were going to have, you know, the, the country not be Ukraine obsessed or gender obsessed, but obsessed about their kitchen table issues again, what was going on in their communities again, that, that is what we ran on, right? Yeah, yeah. We're not really doing a bang up job of that right now. So first we got, we have two things we have to accomplish. And, and, and in this order, it has to be done in this order if we're going to control, we control, number one, we have a base erosion problem. A severe base erosion problem. Boy, can I just tell you, being on the campaign trail and going across my own home state of Iowa, maybe the reddest state in the country, and there's a severe base erosion problem here. I think it is very possible we're going to have fewer people vote in our gubernatorial primary a month from next Tuesday than voted in the 2016 Iowa caucuses. And that's despite the fact we have about 200,000 more Republicans in Iowa than we had in the 2016 Iowa caucuses. And the caucuses are a closed process, which means they always have lower turnout anyway. So we have a serious base erosion problem here. And almost everywhere, A lot of that people will just come home because of the partisan nature of our elections. But, but, but you don't we don't just need 85% of Republican Party voters to vote. We need 95% to vote. Which means we're not in a place right now to be giving people that were part of our 2024 CO. That's why I had Robert Malone on the show last week. We're not in a place to, to give us a lot of very bad news on where things stand with Maha because we're not in a position to be just siphoning off any of our 2024 coalition voters. We're not in that position at all. We cannot afford to do that. So I'm trying to sound warning alarms with everything I can. That's not going to work. I want to win. Stop running the ball into 12, man. Haven't you ever done that watching your team Stop running the ball into. I'm with Wisconsin and Iowa fans. I would imagine the few times you guys thought. Have you guys considered a play action pass. Okay. I think they, they know the run between the tackles. They know we're going to run up the middle. They see it coming. Stop doing that. Try something else. That's. That's what I'm doing right now. Try something else. If we don't pass the SAVE Act, I think we have irreparably damaged our base turnout. The President agrees with me, by the way. Put that out on his own Truth social over the weekend. I think it's irreparably damaged. I, I think the. I think it would take. Requires something extraordinary that is not currently on the forecast map to predict to. To generate the level of base turnout we need. Because see, the midterms are always lower turnout elections. That's why we have such large flux fluctuations because you never really know how many normies or independents are going to turn out. And so they're more turn out your base elections than. Than presidential elections are. In presidential elections, you can't win with just your base. You can't win without it though, either. In midterms sometimes you can win with just your base. That's why you see things like George H.W. bush had Democrat plus 8 nationwide huge depression of turn that turnout of Republican base voters. So we, we have got to turn our base out. I would argue there has not been anything, any singular issue, particularly since the 2020. 2020 election that more speaks to our credibility as a party with our base than election integrity. Fair.

[Aaron McIntyre]

Right.

[Todd Erzin]

If we can't, I mean, because people are saying you literally won't pass legislation that will make it easier for you to win, then why Do I care at that point, Congress is sitting here at a 26% approval rating, which means most Republicans detest Congress, too. If they can't put that bill on the President's desk, there is no step two. The, the level of economic miracle we would need to perform in the next six months. Probably not even achievable in any of the nine realms of the Marvel Cinematic Universe, right. To, to overcome what not getting this done for our base will do. That's step one. We have to get this done for our base. We have to, to have any shot of ensuring we're going to get the level of base turnout we need to even get. To even get into. To get on the poker table to Annie into the hand, then how strong of a hand. That's the Annie. All right. That, that gets you in the game. The, the strength of your hand will then be determined by what we do economically. And when 55% of people are telling you that they are worse off financially than they were before you took over, that that dog don't hunt. They ain't go work. That's not going to work. Can't happen. I mean, I'm just kidding, right? Let's, let's say that poll is 10 points off. I'd be shocked. I mean, Gallup is the most venerable pollster in the history of America, but let's say it's 10 points off. Good luck. When that number's 45%. You couldn't win if it was 45%. That's not going to work. So even if you think that number is way off, if it's 10 points off, that still would kill you. That's got to change. Now this brings us to the, the, the, the OPEC issue, and I want to get you guys a quick take on this. And, and maybe I am wish casting here because I'm, I'm looking for angles to find hope in what we're. What's the war that seemingly will not end. Right. If we come out of this with a, a friendlier regime in Iran where we have more ability to dictate what does and does not go through the Strait of Hormuz. And we essentially, I mean, we could never buy all the UAE's oil. They make more, almost more than almost any other nation on Earth. Okay. At least. So we couldn't use it all if we wanted, but if we essentially became like a prime individual customer to them and solidified that relationship of the most modern Arab nation in the world. All right, we get out of this with the regime that most threatens Israel is largely diminished and gone. We essentially have some, you know, we're at least the underwriter of what goes and comes in and out of the straight of Hormuz. And we have most favored buyer status with the United Arab Emirates. Okay, would that have made all of this worth it in terms of what it could do economically for the country? What do you guys think?

[Aaron McIntyre]

I think it would have made it acceptable. Yeah, absolutely. I mean, this is quite a coup, this UAE thing. And it's my principle of, you know, can't we just all be groovy together? It's showing that there is a different path forward. But it does take certain acts of will, the likes of which Donald Trump and the United States of America has just displayed. There's no reason to oversell it, to be jingoistic about it. But worth it. Yes.

[Steve Dace]

Yeah. I think acceptable is probably the precise descriptor there that I would use, because we're seeing, I don't know, in modern warfare, whether it's Russia, Ukraine conflict, or this conflict, there's this weird bifurcation of military success and geopolitical outcomes. You notice this. This thing against Iran has been a massive military success. Now, maybe it's just a matter of being a little bit more patient for the geopolitical outcome that could be. Or maybe there's just. In this day and age of very asymmetric warfare, it's just harder to get the precise geopolitical outcome that you want. My analysis on Iran is basically this. The price of crude oil. And. No, it's not. Just because I'm selfish, though. I would like lower electricity and I would like lower pump prices. That just tells you everything. The price of oil will tell you how good of a job Iran is actually doing or how much of a threat Iran is posing to the free shipping lanes of oil, which has a lot of downstream products for the rest of the global economy. That's my analysis of how this thing is going, because I think the market has everything priced into it, more than we even know and probably are at least three to four, if not a week ahead of us, basically all times.

[Todd Erzin]

I'm trying to come up with things that the consumer that's going to vote on kitchen table issues may feel like this was worth it when it's over. And other than the talking point of we've severely diminished Iran's nuclear capability, well, that's great. Okay. But I still can't sell my home. You see what I'm saying? I. I mean, I'm trying to come up with something on the back end that the normie voter, the American people are going to benefit from this directly. That they'll feel like right now, this minute. Because if we don't. Yikes. The steve day show. Mother's Day is coming up, fellas. And if you're looking for a unique gift, why not Kexi cookies? They're a family owned bakery that has put together now their limited edition Mother's Day box. First of all, their cookies are absolutely incredible. They have the texture, the look of something homemade. They taste like something homemade. You know why? Because they are rich, layered, well done. I've never had a disappointing Kexi cookie. I rave about these. So whether it's the classic Texas chocolate chip you can get in any basket or any box, the, the special German chocolate and some of the other flavors they have for the Mother's Day box right now, go to kexi.com and order your Mother's Day box while you can for a limited time. All right, K E K S I There's a limited quantity on the Mother's Day box. All right, K E K S I get your Mother's Day box now. And if you want to try anything else on their site, use the code DACE for 15% off. That's code DACE for anything else you want to try at 15% off does not apply though to the Mother's Day box because there are, there's already a limited quality of those or quantity of those and they're going to sell out of that. I'm very confident. So Kexi.com K E K S I Kexi.com get your Mother's Day box today. Kexi.com all right. We were unable to connect with Jeffrey Tucker over at Brownstone, which is fine because we can discuss the issues we were going to talk about with him amongst ourselves. All right, so we have, we have two big stories Covid related that we were going to discuss with Jeffrey Tucker in this segment. Let's start with we have our first Covid era indictment. And I think a good description of this came from Senator Rand Paul, who noted this morning that he referred David Morens to the Department of Justice for criminal prosecution back in 2024 over his alleged improper concealment and deliberate destruction of federal records. All right, so this has been a Senate referral to the DOJ in the making for two years now that the current Trump Department of Justice under interim AG Todd Blanch is now acting upon. Okay. There's all kinds of emails and paper trails of evidences from David Morin who's a former senior adviser to Anthony Fauci, where he is acknowledging that there was a Covid origins cover up going on. And that he took drastic steps to avoid FOIA requests exposing this. Senator Ron Johnson from Wisconsin, who's been one of the absolute warriors on this issue, said that more than two years ago, he said his Senate staff discovered and made public emails in which Dr. Morens bragged to colleagues about his efforts to avoid transparency by destroying federal records and using his personal email to communicate on sensitive issues. So that is the very first now scamdemic fraud era indictment that we have seen. And I guess we do have Jeffrey Tucker now from the Brownstone Institute. So we'll bring Jeffrey on the show. It is good to see you again. Glad we're able to connect it, Jeffrey. And it's, it's kind of providential here. We booked this with you almost two weeks ago and one of the topics we're going to discuss is, hey, where's the action on the scamdemic? Well, on the very day that you were booked to come on providentially, we have our first piece of action on this topic. So your reaction, Jeffrey, when you heard the news this morning?

[Jeffrey Tucker]

Well, the fact that it is the first one is the news, I hope it's just the first of many because there's so much to know. In fact, our friend David Morens even wrote that in an email to Peter Daszak that he hopes that in some sense he's looking forward to prison because then he says he'll be able to tell the truth about what's been going on around here. So we'll see what that truth looks like. There's a lot more to know. But this is just a thrilling and excellent thing that's happened. It had to happen. I mean, this whole thing unfolded six years ago and the American public has been left in a state of complete unknowingness from any official sources. We've not had any apologies, no real investigation as to what's going on. There's been no commission. So we're just supposed to sit here and say, okay, my life was destroyed, our country was destroyed. In many ways, major parts of the world were destroyed and we're not supposed to do anything about it. We're not supposed to know anything about it. There'll be no prosecutions. We're just going to sweep it all under the rug. And until this morning, that seemed to be where we were headed with it. But in some ways, Steve, I think this prosecution was made almost inevitable or Unavoidable just simply because the FOIA requests of these emails where Moran's just openly confessed everything he had done. He was bragging about the fact that Fauci is too smart to get caught in FOIA requests and that he's a clever guy, that he's using his Gmail account instead of his official account so it won't be FOIA and all sorts of other really quite ridiculous things. There's a funny way, Steve, in which I don't know if you feel this too, that I almost feel like Morens is something of a sympathetic character. First of all, he's 78 years old. He's obviously got, you know. Well, he's in a way, kind of frail and pickled by martinis, if you can believe what his emails say. He worked for Fauci for 25 years as his trusted assistant, but always felt insecure about his job. He was recruited over to nih, or National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases from CDC and held a tenuous position with his job there, just doing whatever he thought she wanted him to do without ever getting explicit instructions from the, from the, from the big cheese, from the. From the man in charge. So he was always kind of in a. In a state of scrambling. So I think having a job like that would drive anybody to the brink of insanity in a way. But he knows a lot more than he's saying. I also want to point out to you, and I'm sure you know this, that Morens was the co author. He was co author with Fauci on many, many papers alleging that there's a growing number of leaps of viruses from animals to humans. This is part of their big theory. It's not true, but they were the major proponents of this theory in a paper that appeared in the journal called Cell in August of 2020. So the whole nation's lockdown, you know, we're being told to socially distance, which is another way of saying, you know, confinement in a way. I mean, it's a massive attack on freedom. We're all kind of waiting for the, for the great inoculation to come along. Our downtowns were shut down, our schools were closed, we couldn't go to church. And we're all confused. I mean, it was a darkness was, you know, had fallen across the land. Not just the US but the entire world. So they come out with this article in the August of 2020 in cell, which is a major scholarly publication, saying that, well, so what can we make of this? Well, this clearly is a virus that had leapt from animals to humans, as is happening more and more. But if you go back in time, you'll see that we've been kind of doing the wrong thing as a species for 21,000 years. The problems all began when we began to move around from place to place and interact with each other freely as if nobody was really a threat to our well being. As a consequence, we've dealt with 21,000 years of infectious diseases. If we want to avoid this in the future, we need a fundamental reconstruction of the infrastructure of society itself to make social distancing permanent, effectively make pet ownership illegal, dismantle our cities and just live in refrigerated boxes. Those weren't his words, but basically that's what he was saying. Probably the craziest post apocalyptic piece of scholarship written in the modern age. So that was.

[Todd Erzin]

Well, the great irony of this. The great irony of this is if he is successfully convicted, he's going to get to fulfill his own mission statement there. That's the. I mean, he'll largely live out what he wrote in that paper. So success.

[Jeffrey Tucker]

He's up for five years. Five years. Five to 20 years. My guess is that. I don't know, Steve. It's hard to speculate, but I think that he's gonna sing for the prosecution in exchange for a plea agreement of some sort.

[Todd Erzin]

See this, I said this to Todd this morning, that this struck me as almost like a RICO kind of thing. Start at the bottom and work your way up. Right. And just to tell our audience, he's been charged with conspiracy against the United States, destruction, alteration falsification of records in federal investigations, concealment removement, mutilation of records, and aiding and abetting thereof. Ok. And as I, as I was reading that, these emails, he's just putting in writing what they, what they, what he, what they did. Just leaving a paper trail. And at the same time, he's bragging about how Fauci never left a paper trail. I mean, I'm old enough. One of my favorite movies of my childhood was the Christopher Reeve Superman movie. And this kind of struck me as Fauci is Gene Hackman's Lex Luthor. He's got the entire plan. It's all figured out. And Morens is the Ned Beatty Otis. Okay, just tripping all over himself. All right, all right. So I mean, this guy just left the very paper trail Fauci never bothered to leave us. While bragging that Fauci wasn't going to leave us a paper trail just reminded me of Ned Beatty as Otis in the Superman movie. I mean, he's the. He's just kind of the. Screwed the entire thing up here, the entire master plan.

[Jeffrey Tucker]

Well, the plot. The plot was. There's clearly a plot going on. There's a very interesting book that came out in the fall of 21, I believe, by Jeremy Farrar, who's the head of the Wellness foundation or whatever in the uk, which is kind of the. Like the Gates Foundation. And it's almost as if he wrote this book thinking that all the controversies were over. So he was more forthcoming than he should have been. And he was describing those days in the last week of January 2020, where he got news that this is likely a leak from the Wuhan lab that the US and the UK had conspired to fund in cooperation with the ccp. And he even speculates it was a deliberate leak, which is pretty interesting. But he goes on to say that they were so terrified that they went to burner phones and clandestine meetings. He says this all in his book and that he says that he reported even to family members, that if something. If something should happen to him, that he didn't kill himself. Right. So this is all in this book. The book is called Spiked. It's by Jeremy Foer. I'm sure he wishes he could take it back now, but that gives you a picture of what was going on. And so what was going on? The problem is they all had a feeling that this was either an accidental or a deliberate leak from this lab in China. They probably assumed that the virus is more deadly than it really was, based on videos coming out of China. And they did not want to be blamed for causing a global pandemic. Right. So that's the story. So there's a number of pieces to the plot. One was to assign a series of reputable scientists to write a major article that would appear a month or so later in Nature denying that it was a lab leak proving its zoonotic origin. Okay. The authors of that paper have emails saying that they didn't really believe that, but they would do it anyway. Like, what should we say? Say it wasn't a lab leak? They said, okay, we'll say that they said it. And then they all got grants from nih. All right, okay, so now what's next in the scheme? Well, what's next in the scheme is that Pfizer and Moderna come along and say, look, Anthony Fauci, we know that you have been wanting to test this MRNA technology that you've been working on since the AIDS epidemic 20, 30 years ago. This is a chance now that the whole world is panicked, to put through finally, without fda, it's never gotten FDA approved approval. This is your chance to finally show the world that MRNA technology is the great new innovation in virology and immunology. We have the virus sequenced, so we're already getting ready on getting ready for the inoculation. It took us 48 hours. We've already got a potion. If you give us a go ahead emergency use authorization and indemnify the companies against any kind of liability for this, then we'll inoculate the population. So now they've got a scheme. This is great. All we have to do is keep everybody immunologically naive through lockdowns, through social distancing and masking and business church closures. And from now until the great shot is revealed to the world and saves humanity and will all be, instead of being blamed for causing a global pandemic, will be celebrated as the great heroes. That ended the pandemic, right?

[Todd Erzin]

Yep.

[Jeffrey Tucker]

So that was the scheme. So now they only had one other problem. They had to get Trump to approve it. And we don't really know what happened. I mean, all the biographical accounts of this period are, have too many holes to be believed. But I think something like the following happened. They went to him on March 9, March 10, 2020. Now, how do you persuade a president who's presiding over a growing economy, doing very well in his first term, you

[Todd Erzin]

tell him the blood of 2 million people is going to be on his hands. That's what you do.

[Jeffrey Tucker]

There's that, but also it's not just a warning. There has to be a solution. So the solution was the inoculation, Mr. President. We will have this thing distributed by the summer and by the time November rolls around, you will be celebrated Napoleonic style hero. So I'm pretty sure that that's what they told him on the March 16 press conference.

[Todd Erzin]

I've got one minute left, Jeffrey, so just go ahead, make your finish your point.

[Jeffrey Tucker]

Yeah, yeah, just very quickly. The very first shot that they delivered to anybody was on March 16, the same day that they got Trump to give his press conference announcing lockdowns.

[Todd Erzin]

I think it jives a lot with some of the dots we've connected. You've even connected a couple of dots we had not. I think that is the very likely theory here. And I think the only thing that makes sense going back to the beginning is the reason why we didn't punish China or anything else as much as everybody wanted for the China virus. Is our scientist hands were on the murder weapon as well. It was part of a global partnership and we all were involved in trying to save the world from the next SARS or MERS level event together, so.

[Jeffrey Tucker]

That's right. Steve, I'd like to have an hour with you. I hope we can do that soon.

[Todd Erzin]

Absolutely. Because we still got to get to this, this phase three study of the trial of the, of the toxic genetic serums and everything else. So let's definitely do that in the future, brother. All right.

[Steve Dace]

Thank you.

[Jeffrey Tucker]

Thank you, sir.

[Todd Erzin]

You bet. Take care. That's Jeff Free I Tucker over at the Brownstone Institute, I think that is. In fact, I'd go to the window and put my next mortgage payment down on that chain of events right there as being the scenario. What happened here?

[Aaron McIntyre]

I'll tell you what, Steve, I've been doing this with you for a long time. And even when it looks like I'm getting worked up about something because this is what I do, if you check my pulse, it would be normal. Maybe that means I'm pathological, I don't know. But my heart's racing right now. This has to be real.

[Todd Erzin]

Remember we always asked what changed from what Fauci wrote in the New England Journal of Medicine at the end of February to the testimony that he gave on March 9th. And I think what changed is he learned, oh no, this is the virus. This is we were trying to make this vaccine and that's what this virus is. He realized his hands were on the murder weapon. That's what changed.

[Aaron McIntyre]

Yes, somebody must pay now 100%.

[Todd Erzin]

Even if 78 year old Otis David Moren's. But somebody has to.

[Aaron McIntyre]

Let's have discovery.

[Todd Erzin]

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[Glenn Beck]

No, I can't take this. I can't take this whole pedophile stuff anymore. I am Just as upset about Jeffrey Epstein. And I wonder why our government doesn't do things that other governments are doing. At least the English of all people have distanced themselves from Prince Andrew. At least they've thrown that dirt bag out. But this is all political and it's being used and it is becoming extraordinarily dangerous. You know what? Don't listen to anybody on the left that talks to you anything about Jeffrey Epstein. If they support the open borders and the Islamists that are here in America are trying to tell you all about Palestine and everything else, don't listen to them. Don't listen to them. You're, you're worried about pedophiles, but you can turn a blind eye to an entire society that marries 9 year olds to 40 year old men. You, you, you don't even know what you're talking about. You are not standing on moral principles at all. All you're doing is talking politics and I have no time for you. No time for you. This president is the guy on record that was turning the evidence over on, on Epstein before anybody else would even talk about it. Oh, he's a fascist, is he? Is he? Show me. Show, tell me, tell me the fascistic things that he's doing. Let's take those one at a time. Stay focused, one at a time. Let's run each of those things down. Show it to me. I want to see it.

[Todd Erzin]

Fake news or not. What do you think?

[Aaron McIntyre]

Absolutely not. Fake news. Particularly the point about letting the Epstein list or anything at all being leveraged by people who are going to tell you that a, you know, a nine year old boy can become a girl. No, you're, you're not going to get, you do not get to claim any moral high ground on the Epstein list if that's your reality. No, no, no. It doesn't mean you don't think the Epstein list isn't ultimately important to get to the bottom to. It means that you, you fools who absolutely don't care at all morally what happened on that island are not going to get to pull the moral trump card on me ever.

[Todd Erzin]

How many Epstein island people did the Biden DOJ prosecute?

[Aaron McIntyre]

It's a low round.

[Todd Erzin]

A very, very low round number. Yeah. So where was the concern? Yes, we were the side that was concerned. We were called, there was conspiracy theorists. We were the ones that were concerned. Mainstream media, none of them were concerned about this until literally about six months ago. Aaron, fake news or not, not trying

[Steve Dace]

to be too cute by half here, but this is neither fake news. Nor, or, nor not my take. Can I just say I'm really glad Pam Bondi is gone because of everything that Glenn Beck just said.

[Todd Erzin]

Hear, hear.

[Steve Dace]

Okay. She opened up the President to these attacks. Now they're not legitimate. Even despite her incompetence, they're not legitimate. They're not and they never have been. But when you bungled it the way that she did, hey, there's a vulnerability there that the left just exploited. And now all of a sudden, here In April of 2026, we're talking about some guy from 2000 miles away traveling across the country by train with a manifesto that says, I can't, I can't. I can't abide having a pedophile protector or whatever he said in his manifesto. So thank you so much, Pam Bondi. Great job.

[Todd Erzin]

I love that take because it gets to what I said at the top of the show. We, we cannot control the level of retardation and radicalization on the other side. We cannot control that. We, we can control how much of it we're willing to entertain on our own side, how much we're willing to let it infiltrate our own side. We, we can. Is this the first time a political party did not care about a scandal until they thought they could use it against their own political opponents? Is this the first time this has ever happened? Will it be probably the last time this will. No. So that's asked and answered, your honor. That's a sunk cost. That's called politics in a fallen world. Correct.

[Aaron McIntyre]

Right.

[Todd Erzin]

All right. That being said, though, what Aaron, you're pointing out is we gave them the opening in how we behaved, starting first with how Pam Bondi operated in from February all the way through most of last year with the binders and all the promises and everything else, none of that came to fruition. And then also, frankly, some of the president's own comments on this, starting last summer and then well into, you know, the early this year, it's. Well, it's not a big deal. Now. We, we didn't have, we didn't have to do those things. I mean, was the President correct that a bunch of Democrats were now weaponizing the Epstein files against him after not caring what was in there for how many years? Was he correct about. Yeah. Which administration was it that undid the sweetheart deal that the Bush administration gave Epstein and put him in jail? Who did it? The Trump administration did in his first term in 2017. That's all. That's all very true. As, as Glenn said there, who was the one who called the Feds and said, hey, something ain't right with these people. You might want to check them out. Trump did that. Ok. Those things are all true, which makes it even more politically inexcusable, as Aaron is pointing out, the openings that we gave them to try to hijack this issue from us. And if you're concerned that your opponents are now weaponizing this issue against you, one thing you probably don't want to do is act like you're hesitant to let the all the files and everything. That's all the more reason to just go ahead and disclose everything, just to call them on it. You see what I'm saying? Yeah. Now, since we just had Jeffrey Tucker on, if we're going to connect dots as to what made Trump kind of squeamish about it, I think because there's a few names of our own people and his people that are in there, like Howard Lutnick, the Commerce secretary, are in there very prevalently. Steve Bannon's all over. Was it like, was it something like hundreds? I think I read.

[Aaron McIntyre]

Right.

[Todd Erzin]

Maybe it's like 1100 references or something from to Steve Bannon in the Epstein files. He's all over the place in there. Okay. And to my knowledge, he's never really satisfactorily answered the question as to why he was doing interviews, trying to, you know, help his PR image. I'm sure he would say, well, he was essentially just doing a rope, a dope, fine. I don't know. But kind of feel like 1100 references in the Epstein files is a little over the top. Fair. Right. And so I think that's. Well, no, I'm not going to give you any of mine because you're not giving me any of yours. I get that. But. But, you know, this is a political process, and we did do some actions, people wearing our uniforms did do some actions that fed their frenzy. No question about that. And so that's the stuff that we have to control. All right, let's get to number two here. So this is video, and there's lots of this video going around of this kind of video, by the way, this is video of in the aftermath of the attempted shooting at the White House Correspondent's Dinner. You see members of the media now grabbing champagne bottles to walk out with. There's video involving people taking selfies and just hanging out. Right. A guy literally just walked in and opened fire. And there's a comment, I mean, to use the comment here that our friend and colleague Daniel Horowitz had describing this video. He Said, quote, low class beyond belief. End quote. Fake news or not, Aaron.

[Steve Dace]

Not fake news. But these are journalists. What did you expect?

[Todd Erzin]

Journalists? Yes.

[Steve Dace]

It's not fake news at all. I mean, what did you. I'm not saying that for effect. What did you expect?

[Todd Erzin]

And you know, my mom used to tell me because, I mean, we grew up poor, man. I was on food stamps, adc, government cheese, all that stuff when I was little. My mama used to tell me, from as long as I can remember, you don't have to have money to have class. So when I tried stealing those comic books from Hy Vee grocery stores when I was a little kid because the food stamps wouldn't cover the comics, and I stuffed them down my pants, I walked out, my mom's like, what's that bulge in your pants? Pops up with my shirt, Sees the wadded up comic books in there, pulls those things out and smacks my rear end with them right there in the parking lot. Makes me go right back in the store and turn them back in. And she said to me, you don't have to have money to have class. That video is living proof that my mama was right. These people are all dressed to the nines. There are supposedly our betters. These are. They are the upper crust. We nearly had a mass extinction level event that they were witnesses for. Let me grab a couple bottles to take home. Let me grab a selfie. It almost looks like a scene out of a. Of a parody of a. Of a reality show. A lot of these videos.

[Aaron McIntyre]

This has everything to do with my analysis of Clinton Beck. No groomer. You do not get to leverage me with any degree of sexual morality here. Chuck, we. You. You played Chuck Todd today. I'm just never going anywhere near there. I don't feel safe. No, you feel exactly like them. That's you. You're just a wine mom. You're drunk. That you would have been behaving the exact same way. And now you do this performative nonsense because you are going to try to leverage this emotionally and psychologically. Journalism is magical and not at all broken. I've been telling you for a very, very long time there's a reason that looks like they're, you know, they all have their SAG cards and their. They're at the Oscars or the. Or something like that, because there's no daylight. They're just actors. They're performers. And we've, we've given way too much authority for them to be writing a narrative. Then we play like the, the C level actor in the movie, and we're willing to. It's a terrible show. Let's not be on it anymore.

[Todd Erzin]

All right, Number three. Inadmissible because it is an attack on the inviolable.

[Steve Dace]

Start over again. I think we lost the audio at the very beginning.

[Todd Erzin]

You got it. The Church teaches that the death penalty

[Jeffrey Tucker]

is inadmissible because it is an attack on the inviolability and dignity of the person.

[Todd Erzin]

The right to life is the very foundation of every other human right.

[Jeffrey Tucker]

For this reason, only when a society safeguards the sanctity of human life will

[Todd Erzin]

it flourish and prosperity.

[Jeffrey Tucker]

Effective systems of detention can be and

[Todd Erzin]

have been developed that protect citizens while

[Jeffrey Tucker]

at the same time do not completely deprive those who are guilty of the possibility of redemption.

[Todd Erzin]

All right, Aaron, your turn to go first here. Fake news or not?

[Steve Dace]

So this is intentionally left wide open. So, not having known what prompted that, I'm going to say the presentation that you just saw and heard from Reuters. Now, for those of you listening, there was text that came up on the screen from Reuters. That's who put this little package together. And it couched this entire commentary that Pope Francis was directly confronting the Trump administration. Again, over. I guess Trump maybe recently said something about expanding methods of federal capital punishment beyond lethal injection and whatever else is available. I think it's primarily lethal injection right now. And so that entire story was couched, again, as a confrontation of the Trump administration. Do I know for sure, based on that story, that that is what Pope Leo was actually addressing there? No, I don't. Maybe it was, maybe it wasn't. So in that respect, it is fake news. But in terms of Pope Leo himself. So again, fake news. Reuters may be trying to drive that stake even further, trying to create drama between Pope Leo and the White House yet again, where maybe no drama was intentionally existing on this particular story. But Pope Leo. I know it's Catholic teaching about the death penalty, correct, Todd?

[Todd Erzin]

This is.

[Steve Dace]

This is basically. This goes back a long ways until I would take you more seriously on this issue, the death penalty, capital punishment, if you showed just as much time. And maybe that's this. Maybe this is not something that gets covered by the media. Maybe Pope Leo is out there all over the place championing the unborn, but it is fake news until I see you having as much energy for maybe denying communion to Catholics like Joe Biden, like Nancy Pelosi, who totally support all forms of baby murder, until you have as much energy for that and going after those people who are indeed the most vulnerable and the Most innocent among us. I just have. I'm just not going to take you seriously. Sorry. So that's fake news. So it's a split decision there.

[Todd Erzin]

So looking at the history of this, the early church, which is not surprising was particularly. Many of the Church fathers from Origen to Justin Martyr were opposed to capital punishment, which isn't surprising because they were Christians were predominantly people getting executed.

[Aaron McIntyre]

Sure.

[Todd Erzin]

In the middle of sweeping persecutions. Also not surprising though that once Rome became formally Christianized, the Church's position on capital punishment largely changed. And they reviewed it, they viewed it as absolutely within. Now that, now that we have a Christian criminal ethic, that it is absolutely within the purview of the state to practice capital punishment. And there were notable biblical precedents for such action. This largely was the position of the Church, is my understanding, until really like the 1960s. This is only relatively recent that it has been uniformly as opposed. Pope John Paul II viewed it as cruel and unusual punishment because he thought there were non lethal means by which modern countries could keep their people safe. The word inadmissible that Pope Leo uses there, that was actually introduced into the Catholic canon on the issue by Pope Francis. He used that term, all right. And so that's where it was first introduced into Catholic social teaching, was by Pope Francis. So this is a continuation of that. When something's inadmissible, what's it mean? Illegitimate. That's what it means. That's not even worthy of considerations. Like if you're in a court of law and evidence is inadmissible, it's not even for consideration yesterday, jury duty, the whole much we discussed is what if you are picked to the jury, you understand you can only go by what's admissible by the judge. You can't do your own research. You can't, you know, interview the people on your own. You can't go to the site of the real estate fraud alleged to have occurred on your own. You can only go by the evidence that's admissible by the judge. Anything that you would do on your own be inadmissible and therefore outside of what the court would consider to be legitimate. So this is now an attempt to not just oppose it, but to delegitimize it with this Pope in the last. So that's my understanding of the Church's history on. And I'm sure it could be way more technological, be way more specified. Todd But I just wanted to throw that in as a lead into your take on it.

[Aaron McIntyre]

Well, Aaron's point about context is important. If it's a. The context is inadmissible, that's fake news. If it's about historical relativity, Steve, very much like our conversations we have about Israel, even though I'm not a dispensationalist, like, Israel just exists now, therefore, we must deal with it. Do we. Do we exist in a time where, for the reasons that were laid out there, it might be less necessary, from a safety perspective to execute people? That's a reasonable argument.

[Todd Erzin]

Or if you want to say, I don't trust Western governments at this moment to have that power, I think that's a very reasonable argument. I agree.

[Aaron McIntyre]

Those are prudential judgments, so consider that. But my answer that I was going to give ultimately dovetailed with Aaron there at the end. Pope Leo is on record quite a bit on pro life, just to answer that. But the broader point that Aaron makes is exactly right. Are we suddenly having, like, any. And he's the Pope of the entire world. I get it. But to the degree that this is now being massaged to speak directly to Americans, do we just have capital punishment running out of control right now? Is that going on? It's not. We have a lot of other things going on right now, like transgendering our kids.

[Todd Erzin]

In fact, most people on death row are sitting there for, like, 20 years at a time.

[Aaron McIntyre]

This is where the balance of the overall teaching of the church is just out of whack right now. And that's where people kind of cock their heads like a confused dog, and they're like, look at this world. There are people right now, quite frankly, that deserves God's harsh judgment in the public square for all to see. And this just pretends like that's not going on right now. It's a very wicked world right now. And this seems to be utterly tone deaf to that.

[Todd Erzin]

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[Bishop Fulton Sheen]

And this is what we're in today. False compassion. False compassion, which is gradually growing in this country is a pity that is shown not to the mugged, but to the mountain mugger, not to the family of the murdered, but to the murderer, not to the woman who was raped, but to the rapist, not to the poor girl who's given a shot of dope, but to the rich boy who happens to come from a fine family. There are some judges, some in some of our courts, there are some social workers, not all. There are sob sisters, there are the social slobbers who insist on compassion being shown to the muggers, to the dope fiends, to the throat slashers, to the beatniks, to the prostitutes, to the homosexuals, to the punks, so that today the decent man is practically off the reservation. This is the false compassion. How did it start? Started in literature, in the novels of William Sarroyan, John Steinbeck, Where pity was extended through the novel to the good natured slob. Then the novels of Mandel, James Jones and others in which pity is shown to every kind of pervert and degenerate. As one character says in the novel girl said, he called me a tramp. Imagine that, he called me a tramp. And the other girl says, I don't understand it. Just because you go out and do all the things that are tramp does and steal and so forth doesn't mean that you're really not a nice fine girl. Now with what result? With the result that crime is increasing, That clemency of a false kind is shown to criminals.

[Todd Erzin]

So that is Bishop Fulton Sheen in 1965, 61 years ago, literally right at the dawn we're about to launch. We're two years away from the summer of love and hate Ashbury. We're about to launch the counterculture. You can see the opening salvos in there. The Hefners and, and Dr. Spocks and, and the. And that would set much of the stage for the era in which we are about to embark upon. And sounding very Ali Stuckey esque, by the way, with the talks just change like false compassion to toxic empathy. It's pretty much the exact same message. Is that fake news or not? Todd?

[Aaron McIntyre]

Oh, that is not fake news. I listen. This is why when I speak and disagree with Pope Leo and Pope Francis, it's because I know my archbishop Fulton Sheen. He talks like that all the time. Guys. He, that he wasn't just some guy doing some, you know, wingnut podcast. He had his own show on television on a regular basis. The whole culture know who he was. And he brought it like that every single week. There was a game show back in the day, like called Guess who or something like that, where the, the starlets were brought on and from Hollywood to, to get clues about somebody who was there but in the background and you had no idea who it was. And, and he came out after it was announced that it was Archbishop Fulton Sheen. Can you, like, it's Hollywood today. They wouldn't even know who the bishops were. And if they came out, they'd instantly be, you know, saying, I'm not going to be on stage with this person. They were all like, honored to be in his presence. That's the faith in full right there. If anybody asked me. Protestant, agnostic. Gosh, the Catholic Church is so weak. So weak. Do you have an alternative? What could I listen to? I would give you a recording, a handful of cardenings of Archbishop Fulton Sheen. That is the fullness of the faith.

[Todd Erzin]

Aaron, quickly, because we have one more

[Steve Dace]

that is absolutely not fake news. And if we could find a pastor, a handful of pastors who would talk exactly like that. Because you can use any sort of words you want, but what I think comes across the screen, you can whip around your cape all you want. What comes across the screen most is the sincerity and seriousness.

[Todd Erzin]

Finally, there's this from a woman. I just wanted the records show. I never took this woman, the show never took her seriously. Never, not shocked, surprised by any of this just shocked that it happened this soon. I would have figured it was after Trump was gone, the heel turn. But Marjorie Taylor Greene posted this on X last week. President Trump hates women he can't control, who don't worship him. Women who actually worship God and are much more intelligent than he is, women like Candace Owens.

[Aaron McIntyre]

That's both not fake news and fake news 100% at the same time. I mean it is just the confluence, the alpha and the omega moment for what happens when you just let Trump break your brain.

[Steve Dace]

Aaron yeah, that is asked and answered.

[Todd Erzin]

I mean it comes with its own commentary embedded, right?

[Aaron McIntyre]

Yes.

[Todd Erzin]

It almost feels like to comment upon it further almost cheapens it for what it means. Again, I'm just not aware of any figure in American history where more people have been anxious to reveal who they really are in response to them. I don't know anybody else like this. The amount of people are just anxious to just reveal themselves for better or for worse, who they really are, what they're really all about, what their real motivations are. There has to be a supernatural element to this.

[Aaron McIntyre]

Has to be this same pure woman here is the one who's now very, very angry that she can't use illegal immigrants anymore for her construction back in Georgia. So yeah, we see you, Marjorie. Follow me on DM Me. We'll book you, we'll have this con, we'll have this conversation.

[Todd Erzin]

Listen, don't tease me, Buck Sexton. Coming up next on Mass Delusion, how to, how to spot it, how it spread, what to do about it. Stay tuned. The steve day show. So we are entering our 250th year as a nation, the longest ongoing experiment in the history of human freedom. And of course, a lot of us are concerned about how much longer it's going to be going on. And one of the reasons why is it just seems our enemies have a never ending funding stream which is why we've got to create our own parallel economy. And that's one of the reasons why you should make the switch today to Patriot Mobile. But not the main reason why. The main reason why is it's a great product and our family made the switch from T Mobile to Patriot Mobile six years ago and we have never looked back. So hey, that's one of the values we're trying to conserve here. Excellence. Right. We shouldn't be putting out subpar products in the name of Jesus or the Constitution. Instead we ought to be doing excellence. And Patriot Mobile is absolutely excellent. They'll give you priority access on all three of the major US Networks out there switch anytime you need to for free. They've got a US based customer service team. Keep your number, switch your number, keep your phone, upgrade your phone. They'll make it customizable for you and your family's needs. And if you use the promo code Steve, you get started with a free month of service [e-mail] Steve that's patriotmobile.com Steve Code Steve for a free month of service today at patriotmobile.com SteveCoach Steve Name of the book, Manufacturing Delusion, how the left uses Brainwashing, Indoctrination and Propaganda against you, written by Buck Sexton from the Clay and Buck Show. Also one of the OGs here at the Blaze as well, and we welcome him to the program. Buck, good to see you, man. How are you?

[Buck Sexton]

Hey, man, I'm very good. Thank you so much for having me on and letting me talk a bit about the book, which as a fellow radio guy, you may appreciate. The number one comment I get is, wow, it's actually really good. Which is kind of a, you know, I'm like, well, what is that supposed to mean? But they're like, no, there's research and, you know, you learn really interesting and important things, like right as a book should. But as you know, Steve, in our business, there's a lot of ghostwritten slop that people throw out there. I'll just tell everybody right now on the right, it happens all the time. This book, Manufacturing Delusion, how the left Uses Brainwashing, Indoctrination propaganda against you. I hold it up, by the way, because, you know, there's now AI fakes that they make online to try to steal. This is a big thing on Amazon. So that's why I hold up the copies. People can see. Look, the book took me because I want people to get the right one. The book took me over a year to write. It took six months for the CIA to clear it. And here's the bottom line and I want to tie this right into the news cycle because I know your audience's time is valuable. What we just saw on Saturday, some lunatic high IQ guy from a well off enough background grabs a couple of guns and tries to storm in and perhaps assassinate President Trump, kill other members of his cabinet. Like what? What could make someone so crazy? But I've been asking this question for a while, Steve, as you did during COVID and in the aftermath of COVID what happened to everybody? How can people by the millions go nuts, go wacko? How can they believe things that are so clearly untrue, right? How can they believe lies and really live their lives by them in sort of opposition to Solzhenitsyn maxim, to live not by lies. And I said, hold on a second. There must be tactics. There must be things that are done and who did this the best? Who does the whole make you live by lies thing, make you live by delusions in a more top to bottom, sort of iron fisted fashion than anybody else. Totalitarian regimes. So I looked at the history of mind control from totalitarian regimes, pulled out tactics from them, and then understood this is how they would break you down. The Soviet Union, okay, it's different here, but what are the psychological pathways? What are the things that mentally they exploit in people to get them to believe that climate change is an existential threat, that you shouldn't have kids for climate change, that men can have vaginas, that. You know, I go through all these things in the book and it's scary how much the pathways of psychological manipulation and totalitarian regimes line up, Steve, with what the left is doing today and why there are so many maniacs who want to harm our president or harm, or we saw in the Charlie Kirk assassination, tragically want to harm other conservatives. This is a huge problem. It's an urgent problem. And that's why I thought the book was so necessary to write.

[Todd Erzin]

I mean, if Trump is literally Hitler, then that means every leftist is a potential Bonhoeffer, right? Everybody is a potential Project Valkyrie enlistee. They're the heroes of the drama and the story that they've been sold here. Buck. And, and then on top of that, you know, what would have taken, you know, Soviet leaders from, you know, from Lenin to Stalin to Brezhnev, hundreds, if not thousands of KGB agents and infrastructure to impose and to keep a people down for decades. I can, I can do it in a handful of minutes with one of these devices right here that weaponizes it all the further, right?

[Buck Sexton]

So in manufacturing delusion, I get into the history of this because people will say, hold on, manipulation of human beings, that's not new. And I said, yeah, it's not new. Of course it's existed as long as people have been trying to exploit each other. What is new, and this is the critical piece is mass communication, mass media, new in the sense of a little over 100 years old, right? I mean, you look at what it's. Yes, of course we've had the printing press for a long time, but paper used to be very expensive and printing presses were few and far between. Now we have Instantaneous distribution. And for a century, we've had instantaneous distribution, in a sense, via radio and then, of course, television, and now with the Internet and then smartphones. It is truly 24 7. You see the way that, whether it was Stalin or Mao or Hitler, the usage of mass media as a tool of manipulation is something that was central to their propaganda efforts. And so what I do is I look at that. I mean, Mao seized all the radio stations in China. And Stalin, of course, had a huge program of putting up. And the North Koreans. North Korean regime, of course, basically just stole this, like, plagiarized this idea. The posters everywhere, putting constant thematic posters for the Soviet Union, others. Okay, that was in the era of. You had to print this stuff out. Of course, they didn't have the Internet. They. They didn't have computers. Now we're carrying these things around with us, and we're being constantly bombarded with imagery, with words, with phraseology intended to push people in a certain direction. And there are. I mentioned the pathways, the tactics, and this is really important. These concepts of menticide, isolation or atomized subjects, identity construction, conditioning, these are all things that can be done to people and are done to people via constant bombardment with words, imagery, you know, the social pressures around you and to get you to affirm lies, to get you to say things that you know are untrue, to break you down psychologically so you can be molded and then used as a. As a weapon of a weapon in politics or for the reasons of a totalitarian regime. The left is doing this stuff all the time. And I give very clear. Like, let me give you one perfect example of this. Why is it. And I know you talk about this on your show. Why is the gender thing so important, Steve? Like, what is it about? All of a sudden, the last decade in particular, we're told, you gotta use the preferred pronouns. Say that the man is actually a woman, say that men don't have a. Because the center of menticide, which is the breakdown process before the brainwashing or the thought reform process, can happen. Essentially, center of menticide is degradation and confusion. And there's an expert that I get into in manufacturing delusion, Yos Miralu, who talks about degradation and confusion. Essentially, you have to say things that you know are untrue and that make you feel like an idiot, a liar, a person of no moral courage, even. Even if you know you're doing it. If you do it enough, it starts to seep in, and you have to be constantly confused.

[Bishop Fulton Sheen]

Change.

[Buck Sexton]

What am I supposed to say what pronouns? Is it zay? Is it zed, zem? Like, what am I supposed to do here? Do I have to give a land acknowledgement? If you keep people degraded and confused, whether you're doing this in 1950s Moscow or you're doing this on a college campus today, their neural pathways, their brain itself is much more subject to the kinds of brainwashing, if you will. Coercive persuasion is the preferred psychiatric term for it. Course of persuasion becomes much easier and leads to people like this maniac at the White House Correspondents Dinner who tried to run through a bunch of Secret Service and shoot the President. I mean, we're seeing far too much of this because it is being deployed every day in this country.

[Todd Erzin]

I've got two more questions for you. At least we got about seven minutes and change. So let's, let's talk, let's tackle this because, you know, obviously our audience, because they went through Covid and stuff with us, they're going to be pretty aware of some of the more obvious things that you're talking about that, what are some subtleties maybe though, that would, that would, they would not pick up on subtle attempts to plant these seeds for conditioning later.

[Buck Sexton]

Well, I mean, the use of the insistence, this is very important actually, and I'm glad you got to this, cuz in the latter part of the book I get into the insistence on the use of certain words. And now this is of course, part of a broader propaganda piece and propaganda itself is part of, of coercive persuasion or part, part of, of, of subliminal messaging to people. But the, but when they say things like, oh, it's not an illegal alien, it's an, it's a illegal immigrant. And that it's not an illegal immigrant, it's a, an undocumented, you know, undocumented person. And it's not an undocumented person, it's a, it's a migrant of like, you know, they keep doing this and you can along the way be told, oh, this is about courtesy or, oh, this is not a big deal. The words that you use when they're pushing you to use certain words influence your thinking about things. In fact, in a sense, you know, you and I do this for a living, right, Steve? They want you to concede before you've even engaged in the constructive debate or before you've even gotten into the criticism of the idea. And so don't, it's not a small thing when someone says to you, oh no, you have to, you can't say you can't say that that person is, is. Is illegal. No person is illegal. I mean, that's one of the examples that I use. But they've changed. Even, even things like, don't call them leftists, call them progressives, don't call them progressives, call them liberals, don't call them. Well, they're constantly changing this because there are times when they wanted to be called liberal, they wanted to be called progressive. Or this is part of the confusion aspect of degradation and confusion. Confusion. Words matter. They matter to your thinking, and they matter in the broader sense of mass mind control and mass manipulation immensely. So, so you're asking about. Yeah, like Fauci ism. We all have to wear the mask, right? That's clear conditioning. It's behavioral conditioning. It's physical, it's visible, it's a. And there's a whole chapter in the book, by the way, on Fauci and conditioning and going back to Pavlov and what real conditioning was. So people will learn that history in manufacturing delusion. Steve, I asked to come on your show because you're a smart guy with a smart audience. Your people will like this book. I mean, I really sought out talking to you because I think that they'll get so much from this, so please go buy it. But the usage of words, for example, is a very important tool in all of this. And whenever someone's telling you, no, use this other word, you should say to yourself, why? Why is that? So that's one example. Whereas obviously, like mask wearing is, you know, to your point, point, if you're wearing a mask, you're bending the knee. If you're wearing a mask, you're conceding to the, to the regime in some, in some sense. And this is the same thing in, you know, North Korea. Everyone has to have the portraits everywhere of the, of the, the Deer Leader or whatever they're calling them these days. They have to, you have to have these constant concessions in your day to day life to what they tell you to do. So that's all. Those are the seeds of totalitarian mind control. Even if they can seem, seem small or insignificant, they're actually quite powerful over time.

[Todd Erzin]

All right, so about four minutes left here. Buck, let's talk about what we can do better on our side. How much do we play into this? I, I see platforms on our own side using their language. Trans women, illegal immigrant. We've even had some of these internal conversations here at the Blaze, particularly in the previous Twitter era, you know, well, are we all going to get banned. If we hold on to these terms, how much do we give, do we take? And, and so that's where they now cause you to self edit within yourselves, turn us against one another. And then how much are we seeing bots? You know, we have some things that just kind of showed up out of nowhere. You mentioned the trans issue. All right, we went from, we, we went on the trans issue that kind of just to the point we even had to have, you know, conservative trans people. All right, that went from zero to 60 in like a year. It took a year or two to do what the, the original homosexual movement took like 20 years to do. I think we're seeing this now with anti Semitism where out of nowhere this thing just got completely nuclear amplified. On the right, in just the last year, seemingly out of nowhere, how much are these tactics now being used to invade our side and then how much are we playing into it by not more forcefully pushing back on these tactics up front?

[Buck Sexton]

Well, first, sure, sure. First on the, on the. How is this happening more or what's going on that's different about this. Clearly the technology and we mentioned smartphones. But now when you're adding into this algorithmic targeting and the use of artificial intelligence, you can essentially, you know, fire hose of falsehood is a term actually from Rand Corporation about Russian propaganda and Russian propaganda operations. Contemporary ones like the ones they've been using for Ukraine and other places there, there is now. It's never been easier to create a file fire holes of falsehood. You know, Stalin had to have and this was true. Literally millions of big posters printed and put up and you had to go have somebody and people could tear them down. They didn't really, but they could. You know, these are things that now it's just people. You have bots sending constant messages. You have the reality of amplification of falsehood online. That can happen at scale. It's instantaneous in fact. Fact, it's global. I mean it's not just at scale in the sense that it's millions of people. It's you can have globally. And then when you add into that the reality of fake imagery via AI technology and you know, deep fakes, we on the right kind of snicker at this because obviously when Biden would have a senior moment, they try remember that they were like, it's a deep fake. No, that's just Biden can't speak. But it is a reality that technologically you can't create now fake video. I mean you can make people even who are pretty discerning believe that something happened or believe that something was said or at least raise enough doubt about it that that is then useful for the purposes of coercive persuasion. So that's, that's one of the things, I mean, in manufacturing delusion, I get to the, the AI piece of this neural implant. Steve, by the way, which, I mean, Elon, I think is incredible. I mean, as a technologist, as a leader, he's amazing. And they're going to allow people to use legs and see and do beautiful things. So I love neural implants as a technology used properly. But like a lot of things, like nuclear technology, right. It can also be used and I think we need to be very aware of this for mechanistic mind control now. I mean, you're going to have people who are able to get neural implants in that control, physically control human behavior. That technology is just over the horizon. Horizon. So that's something that you want to be very wary of and the human applications of that going forward. And then how we best deal with this, because that's a critical question. I mentioned Solzhenitsyn and Live not by Lies, which is one of his most, most well known quotes and maxims. I mean, I think that that's a central, that is kind of the antidote to this. But, but it's very important. It doesn't have to be a big lie. It's little things. And the second that people start to tell you, oh yes, you know, use the preferred pronouns, say, you know, undocumented, don't talk about the crime stats, that's going to make some people feel bad or, you know, whatever it is, any time that there is an effort to get you to subvert objective reality, to be a part of efforts to, to rewrite what is actually going on and to do this, of course, to yourself as you do. This is the thing. There's no, there's no neutral way to be a part of a lie if you're affording it. I think people on the right need to understand that it's never a good thing to be a part of a lie, even if people are telling you that it'll make some people feel better or whatever else it may be. And we also need to call this stuff out for what it is and not, you know, which I think Trump has done a very good job of and with fake news. And, you know, the counter narrative has, not just from people like you and me, but, but also even from the top of the Republican Party with Trump has gotten much more forceful. But people need to understand that if they could call the shots in your life like we lived in the Soviet Union, if the left at the Democrat Party today, they would do it 100%. It's just a function of where their power recedes, where they don't have the authority, where they don't have the ability, but they have the will. And Fauci Ism and Covid showed us that.

[Todd Erzin]

Great stuff. Make sure to get the book Manufacturing Delusion, how the left Uses Brainwashing, Indoctrination and Propaganda against you. Good to see you, Buck. Great stuff. Thank you, Steve.

[Buck Sexton]

Thank you so much, man. Appreciate you.

[Todd Erzin]

You bet. That's gonna do it for Tuesday. Back at it again tomorrow, noon to 2 Eastern, right after Glenn Beck, right here on BlazeTV. Until then, go hard. Romans 8, 28.