Is Trump About to Make a YUGE Mistake with China? | Guest: Luke Rosiak | 5/12/26

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Steve Deace Show Podcast Summary

Episode Title: Is Trump About to Make a YUGE Mistake with China?
Date: May 12, 2026
Guest: Luke Rosiak (Daily Wire)

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Overview of the Episode

Steve Deace and his co-hosts, Todd Erzin and Aaron McIntyre, bring principled conservatism with their characteristic snark to the day's biggest stories. This episode dives into reports that President Trump’s administration may be courting Chinese investment—specifically in manufacturing—on American soil, a move that has many of Trump’s supporters fuming. The show also spotlights explosive investigative reporting from guest Luke Rosiak on Medicaid fraud, the cultural decline encapsulated by the "replacement migration" narrative, spiritual and generational drift in America, and the powerful legacy of the late Charlie Kirk. The tone is urgent, skeptical, and at times indignant, with an undercurrent of cultural and spiritual concern for America’s direction.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Trump’s China Summit — Potential “YUGE” Mistake?

Timestamps: 00:01–05:55, 20:39–22:44

• President Trump travels to China for talks with Xi Jinping, with new administration leaks suggesting a push for Chinese investment and manufacturing in the U.S.
• The panel is highly skeptical and critical; they warn that even suggesting such a policy is political suicide:
  • “There is just no way. That’s a self-destruct button. I can’t imagine that’s real.” — Steve Dace [21:42]
  • “We can’t go from ‘suspend America First to save America.’ We can’t do that. ...That is such an awful idea, I have to believe it’s just a talking point.” — Steve Dace [21:42]
• They suggest this "idea" might be floated as a negotiation ploy rather than real policy.
• Universal opposition on the right is predicted, and any “America Last” narrative would destroy political capital:
  • “That would be TARP-level unpopularity. That’s how you get to a 26 approval rating.” — Steve Dace [22:22]
• The hosts emphasize the need for American-centered policy (“Can we have some American summits?”) and worry that the administration is repeating the mistakes of the Covid era—being distracted by global crises instead of refocusing on issues at home.

2. Economic Outlook & Election Dynamics

Timestamps: 12:34–18:22, 22:44–29:35

• Steve offers a thorough breakdown of polling, swing districts (down to just 15–20 nationwide), and how new gerrymandered maps might affect outcomes.
• Discusses inflation, rising home prices, and predicts the most likely economic play will be slashing interest rates to unlock trapped home equity:
  • “We’ll sacrifice another point or two of inflation in order to get tens of thousands of dollars of liquidity that many Americans in swing districts are sitting on in their homes, called equity.” — Steve Dace [28:33]
• Expresses skepticism about whether these short-term moves can overcome deeper structural issues (generational family breakdown, lack of shared values).

3. News Roundup: Replacement Migration, Religious Freedom, Domestic Threats

Timestamps: 01:24–05:17

• Covers current refusal to participate in the UN’s Global Compact on Migration, warning of “replacement migration.”
• Discusses the conviction of a pastor in Northern Ireland for holding an open-air Christian service within a “safe access zone”—painting it as a dark day for Christian freedom.
• Notes criminal cases involving child exploitation and the complications that arise from redefining family structures and surrogacy.
• Highlights controversy over a canceled “Muslims-only” waterpark event in Texas, drawing attention to cultural enclaves and exclusion.

4. Luke Rosiak on Massive Medicaid Fraud in Ohio

Timestamps: 31:36–44:32

• Luke Rosiak summarizes his latest Daily Wire exposé on a billion-dollar Medicaid scam centered in Columbus, Ohio, involving mostly Somali immigrants exploiting “waiver” programs supposedly designed for the elderly and infirm:
  • “Best case, I call it butlers for Somalis, because they’re just providing somebody who’s cooking and cleaning for you, and doing whatever you want.… Worst case, we are giving tens of millions of dollars to criminals.” — Luke Rosiak [38:33]
• The system allows individuals to bill the government for “companionship and conversation”—often for relatives—without verifying actual services due to eliminated GPS tracking.
• The fraud is so massive it’s visible in job statistics and could, per Rosiak:
  • “...seems like the easiest thing to do for me would be a policy change.…I’m not going to pay people who aren’t medical professionals to hang out with their own family members.” — Luke Rosiak [44:32]
• Ohio’s GOP Governor Mike DeWine is accused of rolling back fraud protections and being dismissive about “the cost of doing business.”

5. Spiritual and Generational Crisis: Decline of American Creeds

Timestamps: 45:16–52:00, 56:59–66:02

• The collapse of traditional marriage, family, and male/female roles is identified as the root of national decay.
• Steve argues that what ails America is not merely political but generational and spiritual:
  • “We skipped a generation passing on... Everything that Erica just said (about traditional family roles).... And that’s the stuff now that impacts generations.” — Steve Dace [57:31]
• Blames men and women of previous generations—especially in the wake of the sexual revolution and feminism—for embracing pleasure and rejecting responsibility.
• Erica Kirk’s commencement address at Hillsdale (wife of the late Charlie Kirk) is lauded for promoting traditional roles.
• The panel sees cultural malaise, black-pilling, and hopelessness as consequences of drifting from these basic truths.

6. Charlie Kirk’s Legacy & Christian Creed as America’s Foundation

Timestamps: 70:48–90:46

• Charlie Kirk is celebrated as a unique voice able to communicate hope, faith, and duty to young men, as well as an effective warrior for gospel-centered activism (not “using the gospel for political access,” but the reverse).
• Steve and others rail against other voices, left and right, who attack the Kirks or diminish their impact.
• The show highlights a powerful Charlie Kirk clip answering the “creedal nation” debate:
  • “One of the reasons we’re living through a constitutional crisis is that we no longer have a Christian nation, but we have a Christian form of government. And they’re incompatible. So you cannot have liberty if you do not have a Christian population.” — Charlie Kirk [85:42]
• Steve reinforces the point that America’s form of government is designed for a Christian, moral people; remove that foundation, and it cannot function.

7. American Heritage, Pop Culture & the Old Magic

Timestamps: 10:00–12:34, 53:08–55:52, 90:46–95:35

• Celebrates the transformative friendship between Tolkien and Lewis and their impact on Western culture.
• Introduces Steve’s new children’s book, “Why Independence Day? America is Great Because God is Good,” as part of a trilogy aiming to communicate America’s Christian heritage to the next generation.
• Todd Erzin’s “top events leading to the birth of the nation” segment connects the founding to Christian, British, and Greco-Roman roots.
• The hosts frame America as standing at a crossroads—rediscovering its “old magic,” i.e., biblical truths and heritage, or succumbing to decline.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Trump’s China proposal:
  “No, that, that is such an awful idea. I have to believe it’s just a talking point. I have to believe it. There’s just no way. I mean, that’s—no, that’s a self-destruct button. I can’t imagine that’s real.”
  — Steve Dace [21:42]

• On Medicaid fraud in Ohio:
  “I call it butlers for Somalis, because they’re just providing somebody who’s cooking and cleaning for you… the Somalis are saying… have doctors that will just say that anybody 59 or older has these conditions and then they have people that they purport are going to visit those people… Some of them are making $1 million a month.”
  — Luke Rosiak [38:33]

• On the spiritual crisis:
  “We stopped passing on these heritages and traditions to the next generation… Now it’s very right wing to say this when it just would have been… the baseline expectation of what it meant to be an American.”
  — Steve Dace [57:31]

• On Charlie Kirk’s impact:
  “He was not using the gospel for political access. He was using political access to spread the gospel.”
  — Steve Dace [70:48]

• Charlie Kirk on Christianity and America’s creed:
  “You cannot have liberty if you do not have a Christian population.”
  — Charlie Kirk [85:42]

• On the root of America’s dysfunction:
  “Our form and structure of government was built for the people that believed in Christ our Lord. One of the reasons we're living through a constitutional crisis is that we no longer have a Christian nation, but we have a Christian form of government. And they're incompatible.”
  — Charlie Kirk [85:42]

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Important Timestamps

• 00:01–05:55: Opening rundown: Trump’s China summit, DOJ charges linked to China, “replacement migration,” religious freedom issues.
• 12:34–18:22: Steve’s deep dive into polling, gerrymandering, implications for 2026 elections.
• 20:39–22:44: Analysis of Trump’s China policy—potential political repercussions.
• 22:44–29:35: Economic stimulus prediction; why slashing interest rates and unlocking home equity is the likely play.
• 31:36–44:32: Luke Rosiak interview—Medicaid fraud detailed, implications for policy.
• 45:16–52:00: Reflections on generational drift, spiritual cause of national decline.
• 56:59–66:02: Erica Kirk’s address at Hillsdale; generational failure to teach masculine/feminine roles.
• 70:48–90:46: Charlie Kirk’s legacy and argument for America’s Christian foundation; debate on “creedal nation.”
• 85:42: Charlie Kirk’s “tour de force” clip on Christianity, law, liberty, and American founding.

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Final Thoughts

The episode is a wide-ranging, high-intensity conversation about missed opportunities, looming economic trouble, malaise within the political right, and an urgent call back to the spiritual and cultural heritage at America’s roots. The hosts are unflinching in their criticism of political expediency, both in policy and the cultural sphere, warning that without a rediscovery of true, biblical manhood, womanhood, and faith, neither elections nor economic tweaks will rescue the republic.

The program closes with calls to pass down the “old magic” of America’s foundational creed, not as empty tradition but as living truth—while holding up the Kirks (Charlie and Erica) as exemplars of the courage and faith required for such a reclamation of the national soul.

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For listeners seeking: A conservative, faith-centered analysis of the 2026 American political moment, deep dives into policy and polling, and an unapologetic emphasis on the need for cultural and spiritual renewal.

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[End of Summary]

Transcript

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It's the Steve Day show, and here's what happened while we were away. Brought to you by China.

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China. China. China.

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China.

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President Trump is leaving for China today to meet with that country's president, Xi Jinping.

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He's a great gentleman.

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I find him to be an amazing, an amazing man.

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And when I say that, the press

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always says, oh, that's terrible that he called him. He runs 1.4 billion people with a pretty iron fist.

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The meetings are expected to center around economics and trade, with some reports starting to be c that the administration may seek Chinese investments in America to build factories, reports of which have been roundly criticized by some of Trump's most ardent supporters. Also, the Department of Justice announced yesterday the mayor of Arcadia, California, a suburb of la, has been charged in federal court with acting as an illegal agent of the People's Republic of China. In a related filing, Wang has agreed to plead guilty to the felony count, which comes with a statutory maximum sentence of 10 years in federal prison. The Trump Xi meetings take place against the backdrop of America's war with Iran, whose latest response to an American off ramp was a piece of garbage they sent us.

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I didn't even finish reading it.

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On the ceasefire, Trump adds, I would

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say the ceasefire is on massive life support, where the doctor walks in and says, sir, your loved one has approximately a 1% chance.

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The state Department announced yesterday our country's refusal to participate in the United nations review of the Global Compact on Migration, characterizing the UN as calling for, quote, replacement migration to the United States and our Western allies. Yes, the State Department declared something that would have likely gotten the average Joe canceled and fired like five years ago if he'd posted it. Yesterday we heard from the notorious Deborah Scarfe Burks, former Coronavirus task force lead, once again repeating Covid era talking points and personal dogmas disguised as science. Well, now it's time to hear from the adults who happen to be in charge. Here's acting CDC Director Jay Bhattacharya on Hantavirus.

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The key message I want to send to your audience is that this is not Covid. This is not going to lead to the kind of outbreak. And I was pleased to hear your the opening segment where you emphasize that because we shouldn't be panicking when the evidence doesn't warrant it.

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Bureau of Labor Statistics on Tuesday said the Consumer Price Index, broad measure of everyday goods like gas, groceries and rental, well, it rose 0.6% from a month ago and is 3.8% higher than last year. That's the highest level since May of 2023. A pair of generic ballot polls dropped this morning. One from Atlas intel that was the pollster who had pegged the 2024 election that shows Democrats leading by 15. Another from CNN shows Democrats leading by 3 on the generic ballot. If either of those, especially the former, rings true this November, this story from across the pond won't stay there for long. A 78 year old retired pastor has been convicted and fined for preaching a gospel sermon near a hospital in Northern Ireland. On May 7, District Judge Peter King at Coleraine Magistrates Court convicted Pastor Clive Johnston of breaching a quote unquote safe access zone outside Causeway Hospital in Coleraine on July 7th of 2024. The pastor says, I think this is

[B]

a very dark day for Christian freedom. We held a short brief open air

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Sunday service Korean hospital. We made no reference whatsoever to abortion. And yet the buffer zone law is

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so broad that holding a Sunday service

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has been found to be a criminal offence. At 78 years, I find myself for

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the first time convicted of a crime.

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Meanwhile, in North Carolina, two men are behind bars after cybertips from the North Carolina State Bureau of Investigation accused them of child sex crimes. According to the Harnett County Sheriff's Office, investigators received a number of tips accusing 39 year old Joshua Lee Gilliam and 39 year old Ronald Wayne lynch to be in possession of child sexual abuse material. A search of their residents led to charges 1st degree sexual exploitation of a minor, 1st degree statutory sexual offense, indecent liberties with a child. According to journalist Katie Faust, the two men were quote unquote married in 2020 and have five sons, at least one of whom was procured at a hospital. It's unclear if their victims are any or all of their sons. In Grand Prairie, Texas, our own Sarah Gonzalez last week succeeded in getting a Muslims only event at a city owned water park canceled. The event was explicitly marketed as exclusionary of non Muslims despite the event being scheduled to take place at a city owned facility. Well now the husband of the organizer of that Muslims only event is hopping on social media to pop off, make veiled threats at Sarah and cast himself as the vict.

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Sarah, you like to do some digging, right? Well you got the right one because I like to dig. Two, you dig it. And I got supporters with me. Somebody asked me how you gonna take down Governor Abbott.

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It starts with these bigoted, hateful, racist Islamophobe podcasters who the government is employing

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to sow seeds of division between Americans and spew hate.

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We take them down first.

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Starts with her as Sarah reminded this weirdo quote, islam is incompatible with the west once again, ha. To our friend and colleague Sarah Gonzalez. And that's what happened while we were away.

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Furthermore, Islam is not a race, not a race religion. So what's your China summit care level? Can we have some summits on America? Can we have some American summits?

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It'd be a nice start about some

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American summits, what we're going to do here. Your thoughts? Economic boost from AI or Chinese manufacturing? Anybody vote for that in 2024?

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Not to my knowledge.

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I don't remember running on that either. Inflation be damned. Here's what I think may happen next. We'll get to that here in a moment here on the Steve Day Show. And greetings. Happy Tuesday. Welcome to the Steve Day show here live and on demand on Blaze tv, radio and podcast. I'm Steve Dase alongside Todd erzin and Aaron McIntyre brought to you by our friends over at Birch Gold. Listen, when we have moments like right now where things remain uncertain, gold is where a lot of people with a lot more money than all of us go in order to protect said money. Now you can follow their lead by following the leadership of our friends over at Birchgold. All right. Now, through May 29, Birch Gold is giving first time gold buyers a rebate of up to 10 grand on qualifying purchases. For details and a free information kit on diversifying into gold, text Steve to the number 989-898. Text Steve to 989-898. Birch Gold can help you convert an existing IRA or 401K into a tax sheltered IRA and physical gold. So text Steve to the number 989-898 to see if you qualify for a first time gold buyer rebate of up to $10,000. Again, text Steve to 989-898. All right. Coming up on today's show, Luke Rosiak is going to join us from the Daily Wire on his latest investigation into fraud that is making a ton of news right now. We'll talk to him about that. Also, the message that I really think Charlie Kirk was murdered over and his wife is being persecuted for. We'll get into that next hour on fake news or not. And then speaking of Charlie, he's going to weigh in. He's going to weigh on in one of the greatest clips of his I've ever seen. I remember when my wife saw this clip for the first time, it absolutely blew her mind. He's going to weigh in on the conversation. We spent an hour discussing yesterday on whether or not we are a Creedle nation pop culture Tuesday. Tuesday today is a bit of a double whammy. It's both a very sensitive topic and also will violate literally every copyright filter on every social media platform. So therefore that's going to be in the overTime today for BlazeTV subscribers. Make sure you don't miss [e-mail] Day Shoes the code DACE for a big discount on your subscription to Blaze [e-mail] days. Code days. We're going to get into some potentially dark stuff on a spiritual level, but it's also like going to trigger every single copyright filter online as well. So we're going to do that behind the paywall [e-mail] dayscode days. All right. Oh, one last other pop culture Tuesday thing I wanted to mention. Yesterday was the 100th anniversary of a very important date in the history of western pop culture. Yesterday. 100 years ago yesterday was the first time two relatively young professors at Oxford, one a Devout Catholic named J.R.R. tolkien, the other an atheist named C.S. lewis. Yesterday was a hundred years ago. Yesterday was the first time that they sat down and had an extended conversation and got to know each other. And out of that meeting, obviously Lewis's life was changed of what came from that dialogue. But how many millions and millions and millions of souls in their lives have been changed by the non fiction work that both Lewis, that Lewis has done, both in nonfiction and fiction. And then of course, Tolkien is responsible for, you could argue the seminal fictional work in the history of the English speaking language. You could make the argument that it's up there in terms of Lord of the Rings. So just thought we would mention that. That was a hundred years ago yesterday. May 11, 1926 was the first time they sat down as young men and had an extended conversation together.

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It would be a bucket list moment. What is it? The eagle and the bar where they sat down. The table is still there.

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Could you imagine hopping in the DeLorean and just sitting in the back? Because you don't want to ruin it. You don't want to disrupt the timeline. Right. You know, so you don't want to show them. Guys, do you need to realize what's what the next 30 to 40 years of your lives are going to look like following this conversation? I mean, you can't even begin to imagine. All right, what, what, what this conversation is going to inspire and what's what it's going to spawn here in this humble little setting? Okay, could you just imagine that?

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Including a bunch of plucky evangelicals loving the work of a high church Anglican and a Catholic, which is.

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There you go.

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I needed to point that out.

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You know what? Just goes to show you, Sola Scriptor, the word. The word never returns. Void. Thank you for pointing that out again, Todd. I appreciate it. All right, let's get to it. Listen, I just want to win, okay? And I'm, I'm starting to feel. And you guys in the audience, you're welcome to talk me out of it. I'm not black pilled at all, all right? I'm competitive. I'm not here to. I'm not, I'm not black pilled. We're not giving up. We're. We're all the way in. I mean, I, the future of my way of life is at stake here. All right? But there's a problem you need to understand. When I am fully on your team, I might be more annoying being fully on your team than when I'm not.

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Yeah, because then you care.

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Yeah, exactly. Exactly. When I'm not on your team, when I'm just like, these people aren't serious, then you don't have to take me seriously. Right. It's when I'm on your team that you kind of have to take me seriously, because I'm all the way in.

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We signed who in free agency, Dace. Oh, yeah. Here it comes.

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I mean, I, I, I, I mean, I'm not, I'm not here to just, you know, build a brand. I'm trying to save a country. So, I mean, I want to win. And I'm just going to tell you that Atlas was the most accurate pollster in the last election cycle. And even if they're 50% off, that ain't going to cut it. And we won't be able to redistrict our way totally out of this. I will admit the redistricting thing is making some of these polls not irrelevant, but less relevant than they were before. Because we're not having macro elections in many cases, we're having precinct elections. And it is still a very favorable Senate map. Right. Like the, the, the median approval rating that whoever wins the runoff between Paxton and Cornyn, the median approval rating that they would have by being the nominee of the Republican Party for U.S. senate statewide in Texas, is going to be way higher than, than what the median approval rating will be in these polls, which are an aggregate of what people around the country think. You see what I'm trying to say? But we're not having a singular national referendum election. We're having a series of mini elections nationally. And now they are going to be more gerrymandered than they ever have been before. So I've looked at a few estimates, a couple AI estimates, a couple of political analysts who I trust. I would say roughly, we're between, you know, what, confidently 15 to 20 swing districts. That's it. That's really all that's left. If these maps hold, who knows, it's May 12th, we're gonna have court challenges to all this that are gonna go on. Democrats are gonna go judge shopping in all these places to get, you know, reinstated. And we, we've seen the, the, we've seen Democrat judges ignore Supreme Court precedent where Trump is concerned how many times now and just kind of go back and do the same thing they were doing before. So, but if the map, if the, if, if the gerrymandering that has already been done is what the map is, when we all go to vote, well, about 25, 30% of us are going to start voting shortly after Labor Day. All right? The rest of us, when we all go to vote first Tuesday in November, if that's the map, then I would say there's really, I don't know that there's even 20 House seats, I put that on the high end as of right now that are contestable. Unless you think Trump has like a Herbert Hoover level. And he doesn't because he has a base of support with a floor that Herbert Hoover didn't have and George W. Bush, when he had a 26% approval rating, did not have. You see what I'm trying to say?

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Yeah.

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So there's, there's only so many places the numbers can be whatever you want them to be, but there's only so many. And they may even be the right numbers, but you have to apply them to where they can be, where they are, where, where you can actually win. And there's no doubt that the Democrat margin for error is significantly different than it was even two weeks ago. Not enough, not enough that we're going to overcome a minus 20. We're not going to overcome a minus 20 approval. I mean, that's just how you'll lose all 16 of those swing districts with a minus 20. See what I'm saying? But our prospects are better than they were a couple weeks ago. And so I, I just want to win. I just want to win. And I'm sorry, not, sorry, not black pilling. I would never, I'm not encouraging anybody to get out. Encouraging no one to quit. Encouraging, not, not encouraging no one to get discouraged. All Right. I, I had a feeling we would probably have to have this conversation today. And on top of the fact that we're going to talk a lot about Charlie and his legacy in the next hour. All right. I decided to wear the, the, the, the team jersey today. All right. I mean, I'm wearing, I'm jerseyed up. All right. I'm wearing the team jersey today. Okay. I'm on the team. I'm in. I don't think this will win. And I am starting to feel like, I felt as we got into the spring and summer of 2020 and the president would just not take how many, a myriad of how many off ramps on Covid and kept having the task force meetings were like, cancel these things already. Right. Then, remember they did the one, it was about this time in 2020 where they actually started talking about reopening and they produced the maps and they. Of where the spread actually was. And, and then they called it an influenza like virus. When we weren't told, we kept being told for months we couldn't call that. You remember all this, right?

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Yes.

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And, but then the, the blowback from our enemies began and they kind of retreated again. And during a lot of that election cycle, it was ironically, not until Trump got Covid at the end. And then he, I think, I believe he was one of the first to get the antibody treatment. And notice his entire perspective on all this, his messaging, everything changed the last. What was that? I think in September of that election cycle, if I recall, and it was down the stretch now where he was finally on the message we wanted him to be on in June, July and August. And look at how much he narrowed the gap to the point that I actually think that he did win that election pretty confidently, actually. But he, but, but for the months that he did not say I'm get on the right message, that allowed the polling perception to build, to give them a narrative for, to, to justify what they did. Right. Yes, we're doing that. I kind of feel like we're doing that again. And I, and I, I, I don't think I, I'm not. The AI thing is very divisive. Even within my own friend group, even within my own associations. I've got, even within on this device, I've got people on both sides in my own friend group, association, group, contact group going hard at each other with the AI thing. And of course, we're on the front lines of that here in a rural state where a lot of rural islands don't want their land taken away for data Centers, on the other hand, this technology is absolutely inevitable. We are going to it. We have to, we have to have some stake in it. That's just the world in which we live. Because if we don't, I'm sure the Chinese would be like, you know, it's cool that you guys believe in property rights there in Rural. Rural.

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Is that Iowa? Is that the only reason you believe it's inevitable?

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100%. Well, no, no, no, no. It's inevitable because of human nature.

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Okay, that's bad.

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Yeah. And human nature is evil. I agree. Okay, but there are, but that's the, also the react. That's a sunk cost of the world in which we live there. Human nature is a limiting principle.

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And so you're always not as limiting as we always allow it to be.

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It may not be, but now when we have, we have other nations in the world that won't have the, the conversations that people like you want to have on this. Are they having these at all in Beijing? Probably not anywhere else. Any, any, any of the countries that hate us in our way of life. Are they, are they debating the, the merits of this and the cultural relevance of this? And with the potential trade offs constantly

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let the, the evil being defining all the terms within which we don't disagree,

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but we have to also be aware that that evil will then get pointed at us. So there's a but to see. This is my point. This entire conversation. There are people that, who I greatly trust and like who have very strong feelings on both sides of this. Now if you want to get these people united though, on a singular economic message, let me tell you what it would be. Opposition to Chinese manufacturing on that one. I think my friend group that's all yelling at each other and coming to me because I haven't, I'm kind of in between on this. And so they both want to, both sides want to yell at me on my phone at the other side. If you want to get them back, Maybe this is 4D chess. If you want, if you want to get them all back together again, rowing in the same direction, let me tell you, it'll do it. Complete and total opposition to Chinese manufacturing here on our mainland. And sometimes, you know, with Trump, actually a lot of times stuff just gets thrown out, man. You know, I mean, if you're Trump and you're trying to get the Chinese to help you get the Iranians to get in line and accept reality, maybe you throw this out there right before your summit, right. Who knows? There's also a chance that if we never said anything about it. We might have, you know, a $50 billion Chinese manufacturing plan announced at the White House in six weeks. You just never know. You just never know. I mean, that's. We have an art of the deal, you know, King, and he applies that not just to the. Our opposition, but also to all of us at the same time. Everything's a negotiation, so. But if you were looking to get. If you were. If they were. If, If. If Trump were trying to say, how do I get around this really divisive AI debate on our side right now? I know it'll do it. I'll come up with something I know all of you will hate simultaneously. Am I wrong on this? Is there. Is there. I mean, other than, like, the Cato Institute, is there any base on the right whatsoever? Even, Even Mike. Is. Is even Mike Pence today? Like, oh, no. Like, is there any base on the right at all, guys, for Chinese manufacturing economic boom? Is there any. Is there any meaningful base for this on the right at all? Or a lot of right. On the other hand, you know what? Food stamps. It is. I mean, I. I mean, who.

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I think it's the same place where the huge base for the Chinese farmland and food supply.

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Correct.

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On our soil. I think it's the same place where that base is.

[B]

And here's the thing, it goes without saying. So you can save your notes. Yes, I know if any of the Bushes or anything proposed this, everyone would be losing their minds. Right? There are plenty of people losing their minds over this, and I think rightfully right now. I mean, this is just a. It's just an absolutely terrible idea. And it's so terrible, I have to believe that it's just a bargaining chick, chip talking point to go into a summit with them, with. To make it look like you have something to offer them. Because if it's not, then you can take a lot of what I said a few minutes ago about firewalls and gerrymanders and just throw that out the window. That would be TARP level unpopularity. That's how you get to a 26 approval rating. That's how you get there. We're gonna go. We cannot possibly go from. We're gonna suspend free market principles to save the free market. That was the epitaph of the tr. Of the. Of the W era. Right?

[D]

Yes.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

We can't go from. We're going to suspend America first in order to save America. We can't. We can't do that. You know, so learn Mandarin and maybe you, too, can One day, you know, aspire to work for a Chinese manufacturer in Odessa, Texas or Helena, Montana or Des Moines or Altoona, Iowa. No, no, that, that, that is such an awful idea. I have to believe it's just a talking point. I have to believe it. There's just no way. I mean that's, no, that's a self destruct button. I can't imagine that's real.

[D]

It wasn't too long a couple of weeks ago I said this is all starting to feel very coveted again. And here we are with the Chinese front and center. Who knows what kind of sort of Damocles that they're dangling over our heads again that only Trump knows about it. Just why something that seems impossibly stupid is actual just Trumpian desperation of the likes we've seen before. So buckle up.

[B]

Here's what I do think is real. Here's what I think is going to happen. And I was actually saying to this to you yesterday when we were in the break room over there and that's before I even saw the latest inflation numbers. And now the latest inflation numbers I think just kind of clinch this for me. I think at this point. Again, here's what I think the economic boost plan is actually going to be. I think Jerome Powell. Doesn't his term end Friday? Is it Friday?

[A]

Yeah, it's this week.

[B]

All right, so Powell's out, his term ends on Friday. Right. I think that they are going to put somebody in there that will slash and burn interest rates, inflation be damned. Whatever's the lowest the rate could go without turning this into Jimmy Carter levels of, you know, misery index, they're going to do because some of this inflation is a sunk cost at this point. The numbers we've all been paying since 2021, we're almost all getting used to it, rightly or wrongly. So I think what they're going to try to do is increase the amount of money into the economy on the other end, where's the largest accessible port of wealth to the, to the typical American right now? Where is it the homes located in your home with how much the values have blown up. So next month it'll be 20 years. We've lived in our home and we bought it for $236,000 20 years ago. It's valued at way over 400 grand right now. So I think that this will be. We've got to get that market moving. The stat that came out yesterday, 630,000 more homebuyers or home. Yeah. Was it homes and home buyers or homebuyers and homes, I can't remember, but it was the widest chasm we've ever had since we've been keeping the stat. I think that there's a, there's a lot of people that, I mean, how many, how many apartments and stuff have you guys seen built in the last few years because people can't afford home so they're going more into rentaling, renting. I, I think again, that's a lot of potential home buyers. Get them into the market and there's a lot of families like yours. Even if you could find someone that would buy your house, the, the increase in the cost and the interest rates and everything else. Okay, could you turn around and then buy the next house that's worth you selling the, selling the one that you have. Right. There's no point in selling one you have unless you get upgrade, right. Otherwise, just stay where you're at, right?

[D]

Yes.

[B]

So you and approximately 50 million other people are in that exact dilemma right now. So, so, so slash the rates. Put more money in people's pocket. It's not just paper equity, it's not just numbers on a page, but money that can actually liquidity, that can actually be accessed by a lot of average Americans and try to kick that into high gear here as we head into the summer months that I do think is going to happen. And at this point, if it's, if at this point, if we're sitting at 3.8% inflation, if it goes to 4.8 or 5.8, but you're offsetting that, again, looking at it the way that they're looking at it politically, but you are more than offsetting that with people cashing in on 30, 40, 50, 60, 70, 80, 100 grand in equity that they've just been sitting on in their homes for the last several years. What's the purse? What drives the perception of people's economy more? What stuff cost or how much money they have, do you think?

[D]

Probably it speaks to that human nature conversation, how much money they have.

[B]

How much money they have. Yeah. Because that then tells you what you can afford, right? Go ahead, Aaron.

[A]

Don't look at the wage growth versus inflation that just came out today then.

[B]

I know this is another reason to do it though. Exactly what I'm saying. Lot millions of Americans who live in suburbs, in swing districts, a lot of those 16 swing districts that we just talked about, 15 to 20 swing districts, they're not in the, they're not in rural places where it's just a matter of what Trump's margin's going to be or the Republican margin is going to be. And they're not in urban America where it's just a matter of what the Democrat margin's going to be. Where are Most of those 15 to 20 swing districts we just talked about? In the suburbs and exurbs where all three of us live. And much of this audience lives all over America.

[D]

But remember, we have another problem that we laid out yesterday. It's not just an economic issue. Even if you clean up this issue, you can only get so much mobility going because of the lack of the family structure breakdown that we discussed yesterday on the show. Correct. Just. There's just not.

[B]

That's a, that's a generational problem that's not getting fixed between now and November. But you're correct. So I think that's the, that will be the plan. The plan will be look at this as a stimulus, but this time we're not printing more money. This time you. It's a stimulus of the amount of equity that many people are sitting on in their own homes right now. How many people have not refinanced to, to, to access that equity because of how much higher the rates have been too. Right. And so that's the most short of just printing more money. And then you have inflation go through the absolute roof. But then you're just talking about giving folks a few thousand dollars. People are sitting on tens of thousands of dollars, lots of people in these swing districts. This will be the economic stimulus, which is we'll sacrifice another point or two of inflation in order to get tens of thousands of dollars of liquidity that many Americans in swing districts are sitting on in their homes, called equity.

[D]

Right now, since you're obviously bullish about this, if this doesn't happen, where do you place the over under on the loss of the midterm election?

[B]

We will lose every place we could potentially lose.

[D]

So it's a 90 10.

[B]

Yeah.

[D]

At least.

[B]

We will lose every, every place that's possible for us to lose. We will lose. Yeah. And I don't know what their summer plan is. And of course, you know, there's going to be a lot of talk about the country as they go into the full 250 mode. Okay. But man, they have you folks over there at 1600. You've got to redirect more of the American people's attention away from Iran, the Strait of Hormuz and, you know, China summits and NATO skirmishes. I mean, we've got at least so much of this is perception like how much of Trump's approval of, let's say that, minus 20s, five points off and it's minus 15. How many points are you contributing to that just because people are, have, have the perception, not paying attention to what they care about? You see what I'm saying?

[D]

Too many.

[B]

Yeah. Maybe it's maybe if it, maybe if you were working at it, maybe now it's a minus 8 or 9. Or if they had the perception that you were. Because perception's all that matters. Right. You're kind of contributing to that narrative. All right. Lou Rosiak from Daily Wire is going to join us next day. Too Foreign. If you are struggling from too much chronic pain, it's probably because you have too much inflammation in your joints. That's where relief factor comes in. That might be the relief you're looking for. We're not making any promises. We're not claiming it's an antidote or some kind of magic potion. But we are telling you that over the years, over 1 million people have tried the three week quick start from Relief Factor and over 70% of them saw such great results they stuck with the product long term. So pretty good odds that this provides some quality of life relief for you with that achiness, stiffness and soreness in your back, your neck, your knees, your hips that just won't let go. Especially it's worth the value bet when you find out. It's only 20 bucks to find out. That's it. 20 bucks for three weeks to see if you don't see a difference in your pain that matters to you in three weeks or less when you go to relieffactor.com get the three week quick start today for just 20 bucks@relief factor.com. well, he was rightly named the outstanding Investigative Journalist of 2022 by the Media Research center for the work that he did in Loudoun County, Virginia. He probably changed the course of the gubernatorial election in Virginia with the work that he did on that case back in that back there a few years ago. And he is back now with the Daily Wire and another expose right now that he is saying is the most egregious government waste that he has seen in his 20 years as an investigative reporter. It's good to have Luke Rosiak back with us here on the Blaze. And Luke, thank you for your outstanding work here again, brother, and for your time today.

[C]

Thanks for having me, Steve.

[B]

So I think what really alarms people most of all is the state in question here is Ohio. And you know, there's, there's been a kind of a shuffling of the Electoral College map. When guys, you know, when we were growing up, all the elections were decided by Florida, Ohio, and Virginia, right? Those. You had to win two of those three. And whichever side one, two of those three was going to win the presidential election. And now what you see is that Obama has turned Virginia to a swing state that leans very blue. Trump has taken Florida and Ohio into swing states that lean very red. Right. And so maybe no state has changed its electoral per, you know, complexion more than Ohio has in terms of being, you know, it's been a plus nine state in presidential elections. And yet this is the. The epicenter of this, of the fraud that you unpacked here and discovered for Daily Wire. Tell us about it.

[C]

Sure. So a lot of the fraud that we've heard about in Minneapolis is actually what's called Medicaid waivers. So it's the federal and state POVERT program that's supposed to give doctors to poor people. But they've had these waivers where the federal government has let certain states start doing extra things that were really never intended to be part of a medical program. And a lot of them really push the limits in ways that are very susceptible to fraud. And so DOGE released a database that lets us see who's getting paid by Medicaid. And I looked for this. These fetchy waiver programs that let people go visit old people in their homes, and they don't have to be nurses. They can just kind of like, cook and clean for them and stuff. That's pretty easily exploitable because you can easily team up with somebody, an old lady, somebody who's got a doctor's note, and you don't really have to go take care of her. And you can have doctors that give these notes to everybody. And now what they figured out is you can get paid for hanging out with your own family member. The person you're taking care of can just be your own family member. And where they've really taken that to the extreme is in Ohio, because they have one of these waivers. And so I asked the database to show me cases where there were certain clues in the numbers that really seemed like fraud. And it took me to an area in northeast Columbus, Ohio, and I didn't really know anything about it, but I found out later this is actually the second biggest settlement of Somalis right after Minneapolis. So yet again, you see massive Medicaid spending and you see Somalis.

[B]

If this could happen in Ohio, Luke, are we saying this could essentially happen virtually anywhere?

[C]

Well, the Governor has to ask for a waiver to do these programs, and the federal government has to allow it. And so Mike DeWine is the Republican governor of Ohio, but he has brought in a lot of these Somalis. And when the problems with daycare fraud and so on were happening, he said it was just the cost of doing business to have fraud. We've also found that he has rolled back fraud protections. Like, basically everybody knew that when you're paying people to, like, go to random people's houses and just hang out with them, that could easily be defrauding, you know, you could easily defraud the government. So Congress made a rule that you were supposed to track the people they were. When you. If I'm getting paid to go to a bunch of old ladies houses, I have to check in and do what's called an electronic visit verification, and it's supposed to store your location. So Ohio actually undid that and got rid of the GPS part, which is the only part that matters, other than that you can just write down anything you want. And so for some reason, they literally, like, got rid of it. Almost seems like. I don't know why you would make this change other than to make fraud easier. They said it was for the privacy of the people that are billing the government, but I never heard of being able to say, sorry, boss, I don't want to prove that I'm doing my job because of my privacy when you know, you're operating in one of the most. In one of the programs that's the most vulnerable to fraud in the whole country, and which is. We're talking about a billion dollars a year just in Ohio here for people hanging out with oftentimes their own family. Best case, I call it butlers for Somalis, because they're just providing somebody who's cooking and cleaning for you and, and doing whatever you want.

[B]

So I want. I want people that are listening to this. Maybe you're. You're listening to the podcast version today, and you're on a roof. You're laying some drywall, all right?

[E]

You're.

[B]

You're driving an 18 wheeler, you're a pediatric nurse, and you're on your ninth little kid crying that you had to poke with a needle today, whatever the vocation and pursuit is, all right? And I want to make sure you absorb everything Luke just told you that you're essentially subsidizing this. This is part of what you're working for, is to subsidize this fraud. Luke, let's be fair here. Do the waivers only apply to foreigners. Could they do this for native borns as well? Or is this unique to sort of the open borders agenda?

[C]

Well, that's one of the fascinating things. I mean, it's an American program for Americans and it's supposed to be if you're poor but you're sick and you're older, you could get somebody to come help you out at home. But when I went to Columbus, I did not see one. Well, I shouldn't say that I did see one or two Americans. I saw about 300 businesses. I only saw one or two Americans. The entire time is virtually entirely Somali and also some other Ghana and Sierra Leone, things like that, other Muslim African countries. And I was really shocked to see that this is an American healthcare program that doesn't seem to have any Americans involved. And so the Somalis are saying, and in Ohio, I think it's 59 years old is the minimum plus some sort of health problem. The Somalis, it seems like, have doctors that will just say that anybody 59 or older has these conditions and then they have people that they purport are going to visit those people. And you know, one can infer that kickbacks are being distributed to the, to the doctors and to the people who, the old people. But you would think that there are some Americans that needed this program. And granted I was in Columbus, I'm sure there's other parts of Ohio where there's a few people that are and are actually receiving some service on this. But it's almost entirely Somali. The amount of money being made mostly to the middlemen who are sort of the bosses of a bunch of people that are sitting at home with their families. And then the middleman bills Medicaid and then pays the people at home. Some of them are making $1 million a month. And you go to these buildings, there's one building with 94 companies, home healthcare companies in it. Nobody's really in any of them. There's another set of seven buildings all owned by the same landlord. They have 300 home healthcare businesses in them that build over a quarter billion dollars for this service. And again, I mean, best case here we're talking about giving a free servant to people who have never paid taxes. Worst case, we are giving tens of millions of dollars to criminals.

[B]

Let's talk then, Luke, about, let me pick my jaw up off the floor at those numbers again. Just thinking of everybody in our audience here who, you know, they're doing the Alabama country song, working a 40 hour week for a living and then they're listening to this right now in the middle of their jobs and everything else. And I can't even imagine the amount of bile coming up through the esophagus of literally tens of thousands of people that are going to listen to this on a podcast later, for example. So let's talk about the political response and accountability. You kind of hinted already that Mike DeWine just kind of a Marie Antoinette kind of just to brush off. It's a cost of doing business to be replaced, have your. Your way of life replaced by foreigners. You should just anticipate that as they're replacing you, you'll be subsidizing their complacency and largesse. That. That kind of seems to be his reaction in response.

[C]

Well, yeah, and he's saying, in some cases, you know, it's not fraud. You're under his policies, you're allowed to get paid to hang out with your own family members. And just literally one of the services that they bill the government for by the hour is companionship and conversation. Companionship and conversation. So you're billing the government to hang out with your own family members, and that's allowed. But there's also the question of are they actually even doing that? I mean, I guess it's easy enough to hang out with your own family, but some of them try to get more money by sending. They have a bunch of clients. Are they really going there? And he's saying, well, there's no proof that they're not. But that's pretty easy to have no proof when you put your head in the sand and you get rid of the GPS requirements and you don't look up who's actually running these businesses. And, you know, for example, I've got a bunch of case studies rolling out in the Daily Wire, but, you know, we have one that a business was convict opened under the name of the teenage son of a convicted money launderer. And so by Mike DeWine's logic, the owner of this business had no criminal background. It's fine. And it's like, well, do you think maybe the teenage teenager isn't really running it? Do you think maybe his name is being used by his dad or somebody? There's another business owned by a husband and wife, and they got $100,000 a month. They're career criminals. The husband has multiple fraud and multiple theft convictions, the wife multiple convictions for violence. And yet they are allowed to bill the government $100,000 a month for providing health care services that are based on trust. And this guy literally has a record for like, Giving the government fake names and stealing and all that. And so it's kind of like you gotta be pretty gullible to think that there's nothing to see here. But I think for a long time most people just aren't think Medicaid even in Congress they kind of just thought it's just doctor's bills, what are you going to do about it? But the Democrats have added in all these basically quasi like sleeper welfare programs, almost like universal basic income under this line item of Medicaid. And certain people have figured out how to, how to exploit that at massive scale to the point where you can actually see it in the job statistics of the U.S. there are states like California actually lost jobs, but it's reporting that it gained jobs. And the reason, because that many people are doing this Medicaid racket where you're getting paid to hang out with your own family members and billing the government by the hour.

[B]

What about the governor, the race to replace DeWine? They just had the primary there. Vivek1 going away as he talked about this as potentially the next governor of Ohio and addressed how he may address this issue.

[C]

Yeah, I mean basically all the top officials of Ohio have addressed this and been very angry and promising to clamp down on fraud. Everybody with the exception of Mike DeWine. Vice President J.D. vance is of course from Ohio.

[B]

I was going to ask you about

[C]

him next Task force against fraud there. But I think a question remains. Is it enough to try to go through these cases one by one and police fraud or do you just terminate the whole thing? Because I spent months working on this and I'm going to continue to have stories coming out that I think makes it pretty obvious that when you see one of these businesses and there's nobody there and they say one guy owns it, but really it's probably owned by somebody else. Like it's very hard to keep track of. Who's Mohamed Ahmed? Is he different than Ahmed Mohammed? You can dedicate tremendous resources to stopping fraud and you will find that a large portion of this home health care stuff is fraud. But there's so much of it that it seems like the easiest thing to do for me would be a policy change. And that's not something I've heard Vivek say is I'm going to stop this program. I'm not going to pay people who aren't medical professionals to hang out with their own family members. And if you want to get, you know, what the federal government can do because it can terminate these waivers, it gives the state special permission to run these weird programs and it can take that permission back and the federal government can say if New York state wants to spend $15 billion paying people to hang out with their own relatives and it's all totally unverifiable whether anybody did what they said they did, you can for it with your own state money. It's not going to be with 70% plus federal funding.

[B]

Frustrating and upsetting, but phenomenal and great work just the same. Luke, thank you very much for shining the light on this and we'll continue to follow what, what comes next. All right, brother, thank you very much.

[C]

Thanks, Steve.

[B]

You bet. What's everybody's pulse rate right now, do you think? Let's do a pulse check of the room listening to that. Thoughts, gentlemen,

[A]

Remember last week when I bemoaned the low IQ Catholic v. Protestant discourse on social media? And I said it's not healthy when one side of that debate, fair or unfair, and even the Catholics said, hey, it's legitimate one side of that debate, the Protestant side, no matter how legitimate a point the Catholic has made, can just say, look at your Pope and the conversation's over.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

What am I supposed to say to the young men who are wanting to black pill when you look at the last hour of this program?

[B]

I know.

[A]

What are you supposed to say? What do you want me to say? The young man who might be really, really, I don't know, well, driven, capable. What is the future that I'm supposed to sell them unless they come from a background where, hey, we're already comfortable being uncomfortable, hey, you're in this world but not of it. If you're talking to edge cases, and there are a lot of edge cases where they're right on the edge of taking that black pill. I'm not sure what to tell them.

[B]

I mean, you listen from a political

[A]

standpoint, you too can work in a

[B]

Chinese factory so you can subsidize Somali foreigners to sit on their ass. Yes.

[D]

This is why the conversation we had yesterday around what Gorsuch said, this is the background why we had to have it at all. Because like I said, there was a time when talk about that creed when it was universally shared, when you knew what it actually was and you'd be proud to put your hand over your heart and say, could overcome religious sectarian differences. It could allow over time, background that was German and Irish, etc. Etc. Italian to come in. But now this is the creed of America and that's what people resent. And if you'd ask it's not aspirational. It's, you know, lying. It's, it's Bruce Springsteen, if I may, Brown. It's like lying like, like a dog who's been kicked too much. I don't, I don't know what else to say about it other than there's a reason that he put that song to that soundtrack. It's like a go America. It was one of the greatest. And we don't have much good to say about Bruce Springsteen these days, but it was a brilliant piece of propaganda because that song, the music makes your heart soar, but the lyrics are in an indictment whether you agree with them or not. And that's the problem we have now. The lyrics that people are hearing that Luke just sang to you, they're an indictment. And there's only so much music that can make you not black pill.

[B]

That'll preach right there when we come back. I think this is really the message that Charlie was murdered over and his, his, his widow now is being persecuted for. We'll get into that here in a moment. And we are back with hour two, live and on demand on Blaze TV, radio and and podcast with Todd Erzin and Aaron McIntyre. I'm Steve Dase. Let us know what you think about what we think via the stevedase.com inbox, which you can do by emailing the show Steve dace.com that's D E A C E like us on Facebook, me, we and Gab. You can follow me at Steve Dace show on X Instagram and TikTok. Please subscribe to our new YouTube channel at DACE show on YouTube. And then if you wouldn't mind, you can also subscribe to the podcast by hitting that subscribe button or if you're on Apple itunes, follow to make sure you never miss an episode that it's for sure there in your podcast feed every time. And then also leave us a five star review as tens of thousands of you have on the podcast platform of your choice. Thank you for each and every one of those and thanks to our friends over at Beam Dream Powder. Because now with Dream, you can get the night's sleep that you deserve. Made with a powerful blend of all natural ingredients like reishi, magnesium, melatonin and more. All natural ingredients, none of that drugstore crap. And great flavors. A selection of flavors like the chocolate, peanut butter, sea salt, caramel and more. Or caramel if you prefer. All right, so how does this work? Well, it's like the hot cocoa Nana used to give you back in the day. Before you went to bed. And we didn't count things like carbs because we didn't have to. Except this one isn't loaded with carbs and sugar. So it'll still fit into your regimen, your discipline as well. All right. And it's also made by Americans for Americans, backed by American values. Right? Right. Just a $25 a night or so is what it would cost you for the best night's sleep that you deserve. So do it with dream. Go to shopbeam.com steve use the code Steve. And you'll get my exclusive offer of up to 40% off beams dream powder. So with my discount code as Steve, you can get their best selling dream powder for just 39 bucks. So if you meet, if you've been meaning to fix your sleep, this is the time get dream their best selling dream powder for up to 40% off@shop beam.com Steve using the code Steve. All right, coming up at the bottom of the hour, our friend and brother, the martyred Charlie Kirk. He's going to weigh in on the credal nation debate that we spent a full hour discussing on yesterday's show. But first, it's time to remember why Independence Day?

[A]

Every fourth of July, we light up the sky. We wave our flags, we celebrate. But if your kids asked you why, could you tell them the real story? It's a story that starts 3,000 years before 1776. A story most people have never heard told. This a miracle in the desert, a miracle on Christmas night, Commandments carved in stone, a constitution written on paper. What's the connection? This 4th of July, give your family the story they've never been told. The one that explains everything.

[B]

So pre orders available right now at Amazon. And I have to say to all of you, man, you guys have been insane in the last 48 hours since we launched our pre order promotional blitz here for why Independence Day, we have climbed literally 120,000 spots on Amazon. It's a number one new release in children's books right now. So thank you guys very much for that. That pre order your copy of why Independence Day? America is great Because God is good. Available now. It's the conclusion of my trilogy that we had we launched in 2022 with why Thanksgiving and then why Easter two years ago and now this is the conclusion. It's our trilogy of books for children on America's Christian heritage. So we don't lose it. We pass it on to the next generation. America's 250th birthday, an event 3,000 years in the making. And we take you all the way back to the beginning and then take you all the way into the present and then challenge the next generation, our children. Now, this is your legacy now. This is your heritage now. And it's your responsibility as you grow up now to preserve this for your children and grandchildren as it is for us to do for you. So get your copy today. Why Independence Day. America is great. Because God is good. Pre orders available now at Amazon. And thank you guys for an extremely successful opening two days. Very much appreciated. And that brings us, by the way, as we're counting down to independence. In the release of the book, Todd has ranked the top 10 events, according to him, leading to the birth of a nation. So this we're now at number two, I believe, Todd, we are.

[D]

And as I said yesterday, after more than 3,000 years of recorded history about how to approach human government, we finally get to the New World's contribution. As Christopher Columbus set sail under the banner of Ferdinand and Isabella, freedom and sovereignty will be under a new kind of tension as liberty learns how to translate across increasingly expansive kingdoms. Here's Christopher Columbus roughly around 1492. Nothing that results in human progress is achieved with unanimous consent. Those that are enlightened before the others are condemned to pursue that light in spite of the others. Then, following the earthquake that was the Protestant Reformation, it would be soon time for the pilgrims to get into the act. 1620, the Mayflower, the Mayflower complex was written on that British voyage across the sea in the name of God, Amen. We whose names are underwritten, the loyal subjects of our dread sovereign Lord King James, do by these presents solemnly and mutually, in the presence of God and one another, covenant and combine ourselves together into a civil body politic for our better ordering and preservation and furtherance of the ends aforesaid. And by virtue hereof do an act constitute and frame such just and equal laws, ordinances, acts, constitutions and offices from time to time as shall be thought most meet and convenient for the general good of the colony unto which we promise all duty, submission and obedience. Once again they wrote that on a very long voyage across the sea and we can't find time to get to the school board meeting. So in the meantime, then it was up to me yesterday I mentioned the Greeks and Romans. Now it's up time to the British minds to wrestle with this. Here's some of the greats. Thomas Hobbes, 1651. During the time men live without a common power to keep them all in awe, they are in that condition which is called war. And such a war as is of every man against every man. John Milton, author of Paradise Lost, as Steve mentions regularly, 1670. For liberty hath a sharpened double edge fit, only to be handled by just and virtuous men. Too bad and dissolute. It becomes a mischief unwieldy in their own hands. But boy, Luke Rosiak probably said, could have something to say about that. And John Locke, 1690. I have no reason to suppose that he who would take away my liberty would not, when he had me in his power, take away everything else. And so there you see, with the 1690 at hand, as these words were being spoken, proud and loyal, Bridget's British subjects were becoming proto Americans before our very eyes. And tomorrow we move on to the spiritual roots of why Independence Day when we discuss the Great Awakening.

[B]

I love that term, by the way. Proto Americans. That's good stuff. All right, so get your copy today. Why Independence Day? America is great because God is good. Pre order today. Releases nationwide on May 26th. You can pre order at Amazon right now. Why Independence Day? America is great because God is good. If you guys loved, why Thanksgiving? And why Easter? We had the same illustrator, same layout. Because we really want you guys to have these three together as a set for your kids. And we didn't do why Christmas? Because that's been done 10 million times by people a lot smarter than me, right? So. But why Independence Day? The conclusion of the trilogy? America is Great because God is Good. Available now for pre order at Amazon. That brings us to fake news or not this week and I. I saw some clips of Erica Kirk speaking at Hillsdale College over the weekend at their. I think it was their commencement. But one clip in particular caught my eye that I wanted to discuss here on the show. And there's a reason why I want to discuss it. For fake news or not, watch this.

[A]

Charlie would often encourage People like Dr. Arn said, to get married young. Not rushed, not rushed, but young. I just want to encourage all of you. To the men you are called to provide. You are called to lead, to anchor your families in strength and consistency. To the women, you are called to nurture, to build, to shape lives with wisdom and endurance.

[B]

That clip right there. So here's my proposal. Charlie was not murdered over mere politics, but that message right there. Elections matter. They make a great impact. But we skipped a generation passing on to the next generation. Everything that Erica just said said, what is the primary not soul, not only, but primary reason you are a man. What is the primary not Soul not only, but primary reason you are a woman. We skipped passing this down. That chart we had yesterday where 90% of women, 80% of men under the age of 30 had been married at least once in 1975. And then right away, first decade post sexual revolution, 1985, the numbers go down to 80 and 70 and they have just been plummeting ever since. Because between the sexual revolution and feminism, the, the dirty little secret of feminism is and, and the, and you young guys, you want to know why you have so much feminism today? I'm going to tell you why. You want to know why you're stuck with it today? Because here's the dirty little secret. Mine, Gen X and your grandparents boomer era of men loved it, loved it because they got all the sexuality they wanted from women. Because it was empowering now to use your sexuality. Women used to do things like star in X rated films or pose nude in magazines because they had no other options. Now it's like, well, I'm just doing this, put me through nursing school. It's empowering. And the reason why you're stuck with so much feminism now is the men of the last two generations, among them my own, were really the great beneficiaries of this. We got all of our nerve endings titillated with none of the responsibility. So we were never going to step in to oppose it. So that's another mess now that you're going to have to clean up. But we skipped a generation because of the sexual revolution in feminism, of passing on these two simple truths of the primary reasons we exist as men and women on this earth, that Erica just communicated there. And see, that's the stuff now that impacts generations. You want to know about. You know, Todd, you and I have talked about how when we were growing up playing little league as little kids in the late 70s, early 80s, no one had a clue who, whether someone voted for Reagan or Jimmy Carter, no one had a clue. Wouldn't just never come up whatsoever in the stands. The idea that what was going on politically would even well into probably our high school years would have caused some kind of dissension within your graduating class. Who you dated, all right, who you hung out with in college. Just we say that now and people are like, what planet were you guys from? We were like the last generation that didn't decided, you know, politicians weren't worth killing each other over. Over apparently. What changed is we, we stopped passing on these heritages and traditions to the next generation. And so these things used to just be baseline expectations. Of what's called being an American. And they all just became politicized now. So now it's, it's, it's, it's very right wing to say this when it just would have been, when you and I were kids, it just would have been the baseline expectation of what it meant to be an American. That's just, you want to live here, you want to have the freedom that we have here. These are kind of the baseline built in expectations that you, you accept if you want to go ahead and enjoy what, what it all, what it means comprehensively to get to live in a country like this. And I think ultimately that's why the enemy, it's this commentary here and his apostolic abilities to take this to the next generation and communicate it, live it in public. I think that's ultimately why the enemy shot Charlie in the throat. And I think it's ultimately why Eric is being persecuted now, because as much as elections impact what she's teaching there and saying there would have, would impact generations. And that's, that's really the mouth of the river. And what I always say, if you want to dam a river, you damn it at the source. That's really the mouth of the river. Many of our problems as a people stem from two places. One, something Charlie also addressed, our recognition that God is God and we are not. And then two, that message right there, what's your primary purpose and reason for being? Why are you here? What's the expectations that go along with that primary purpose? And like ingrates, we've rebelled against it, we've largely rejected it, and we're paying a massive hefty cost for that. Now, fake news or not.

[D]

Oh, that's not fake news. I mean, and ingrates is the appropriate word there. This is what I was talking about yesterday again, bringing up Gorsuch, where, you know, trying to have the, you know, the hyper technocratic libertarian notion of things as your truth and then just speak in poetic language as kind of your spirit. But those two never come together. And so it doesn't cause you to act. It just, it just feels emptied. Way too holy clinic, because you need to have spirit and truth. Biblically, they're together. And the simple fact of the matter is we can listen to what she had to say and Steve's commentary on it. But unless finally, as this generation that Steve's talking about, the younger generation is willing to put down blame and victimhood and to be, be duty bound in, in breathing life into this instead of just seeking comfort, it's just, it's not going to matter at all. There's no way to do this and it is what must be done. Unless we do our Christian duty and smash idols. I'm a broken record on it, but so were many of the prophets. And yes, I'm comparing to the self myself to them only that I have to stand on the shoulder of giants I've commanded to you cannot continue to prioritize certain things of your life while saying I'm doing I I do want to live in the name of the Lord and while saying yes, Erica has a point, but you will not make any changes, male or female. It's impossible. And you become the very ingrate Steve is talking about and sooner or later, young man, you become the old man who doesn't have the excuse of being the young man anymore. That old man did something to you just decided to be the man who would not change. We're all on the hook for this bottom line and so we need to get busy living or get busy dying. I'm absolutely certain in my own life. And this plays itself out almost every day this month with the blessings of of my cup that runneth over. But it is all this and you've got to be the man or the woman who allows God to open doors for you. Because right now many of us are insistent based on what our idols are. We plan no matter how much we say they like this and how we which we want different, we plan on keeping those doors slammed shut.

[A]

This is absolutely, absolutely, absolutely not fake news. And again then we just need to say God bless Erica Kirk, knowing that she's doing this in memory and in honor of her husband. And it again takes a great deal of strength to get up there over and over again in front of audiences and crowds and try to carry on the mission that God had given to her husband. This is not fake news at all. And this is the reason that hell wanted off Charlie Kirk. Because not only was this the message that Charlie Kirk had for young men in particular, he also had a unique credibility not only by being young himself, but also because of his standing in a massive political movement, that he had a unique credibility and a unique affect as well. Now, he always told the truth or did so to the best, the very, the very best of his ability from everything that I've all ever seen and the stories of the accountability that he had put around him in his life that Steve has talked about and the earnestness in wanting to know more and making sure that he was dotting his I's and Crossing his T's incredible testimonies just left and right. But he had a unique credibility with this group of young men. We had inflation before September of 2025. We had a great deal of fraud before September of 2025. We had a great replacement before September of 2025. And Charlie Kirk talked about those issues, contended with those issues, apologetics for spiritual issues, issues of faith and the intersection of faith and politics and worldview, as if there is some sort of intersection there. But he did that. He did that with a great deal of credibility. And so he could say the same message that Erica Kirk you just heard there and say that and challenge young men and say it to them with some degree of hope. And that's the reason why hell wanted to off him. He could. To the answer the question that I posed at the end of last hour, what are we supposed to say politically to the young men on the verge of blackpilling after hearing what you heard in the first hour? Chinese summits, Iran this, Iran that we are going to allow open borders for, apparently telegraphed the express purpose of allowing and facilitating fraud. What vision, what hope, what future are you trying to sell me politically here, here? Even if I do want to have a family, like, can I actually. Can I actually. Is that actually a hope that I can actually have? Like, really? He had the credibility to work through those issues. He did. So now the question becomes for young men to channel JRR Tolkien as you did earlier today, Steve, or just mentioned him in the first meeting with him and C.S. lewis. You might not wish that this was the time that these things had come to pass. The confluence of multiple generations not passing down this. This message, not being the watchers on the wall, not being the men of Gondor they were called to be. You may wonder why this is happening in your time. I wish it not. I wish it had not happened at this time as well. That's not for us to decide. As Gandalf said, we have to decide what to do with the time that's given us because we are placed here. Channel the Old Testament now for such a time as this and to channel the Old Testament again. We are out of excuses. Out of excuses. Yes, there are giants in the land, but we are not to be afraid. There are giants of different forms and different sizes and different shapes. Yes, it seems impossible. But the spies who came back from their journey to this promised land were convinced.

[B]

What?

[A]

Oh, we can't take them on. They had just seen miracles in the Exodus. They had just seen miracles crossing on Dry ground, the sea. And yet they had no faith.

[B]

Faith.

[A]

That's the challenge before everyone. And as Todd said, and I think that needs to be repeated over and over again. All of us, generation to generation, are on the hook, have been on the hook and still will be on the hook. So that's the task before us.

[B]

If you can brand Charlie as he's just a political activist using the gospel for political access. And I saw that, I saw that claim quite a bit. And I know people who felt embarrassed and ashamed and regretted that they looked at Charlie that way from afar. They bought into the brand of what they thought was being portrayed, rather than looking at the testimony of his actual work and what he was doing on all these campuses and all these events. And a lot of them are the people that have joined up with TPUSA and tpusa faith in the wake of Charlie's murder. And then memorial, when they recognized, when his memorial became arguably the. The most watched presentation of the gospel in the history of planet Earth in a single setting, they thought, oh, I mean, this is his ultimate legacy. This is ultimate fruit. He was not using the gospel for political access. He was using political access to spread the gospel. Likewise, if you can persecute his widow from ultimate grace under pressure given a nearly impossible task, it's raise two children without their father and try to steer, at least for now anyway, your husband's ship and legacy, so it doesn't completely go off the rails because of the amount of lives that are relying on it and that it still has to impact. And you can regale her to, you can relegate her to an object of scorn, mockery, then you don't have to listen to what she has to say substantively either. Either. And, and there are several elements on our side that have played into this, which tells you they're not really on our side. So you have, I mean, the, the difference between who Erica is and where her message is. The dominant female voice of the last era was in this country was Oprah Winfrey. Remember, I used to call her the high priestess of American paganism. She refused to acknowledge her primary reasons for being on this earth as a woman, turned them down over and over and over again and modeled that to an entire generation of women. Which is why I've always found it arrogant that a lot of the young men, Aaron, who are upset about this, then want to follow Nick Fuentes. What's he also done exactly that turn down his primary reasons and purposes for why he's on the earth as a Man, it's not to get married and have children. He excused them every bit as Oprah Winfrey does. Well, you're complaining about what's happened to a generation of women after they've listened to Oprah Winfrey, who decided being a wife and a mom wasn't for her when she had all the means and opportunity to do so. So your answer as a young man is to follow Nick Fuentes, who's going to do the same model that to you? I mean, that's just the same scam, but with a different phallus, different appendage, different. Different plumbing between the legs. Same scam because they're from the same place. That's why. That's why it's the same scam. Eric is only in this position. Those of you, and frankly some of them, I've heard on my own network, those of you criticizing that she's undermining male headship while doing so, frankly, without a wife and a kid, I find that fascinating. Yes, please, please. Without. Without your own wife and children, please lecture the rest of us on male headship. I long for your vast first person expertise on the subject. Point me to the examples by which you have modeled it for the rest of us and I will duly take notes. Understand the only reason she's in this position. I talked to Charlie constantly the last year of his life, particularly the last six months of his life. I never met Erica Kirk at all until a few weeks after he was murdered. And she came to see us when we went down there to host the show in his place. She wasn't seeking the spotlight or anything at all. She only has this position. Cuz you murdered her husband. There were no stories of her imposing herself into board meetings or the directions of the organization. You murdered her husband. She was thrust into this because you murdered her husband. And I'm saying you're in a first person pronoun because the same spirits that are saying these things out of the mouths of pick your names is the same spirit that shot Charlie from that roof in Utah. Same sources. And if I have any regrets in how I've behaved since September 10th of last year, it's really only one. That I have not even been more direct and more confrontational in going after the garbage that's worn its. Its Inc. Our jersey. My jersey for the last how many months now that I didn't do more, that I wasn't meaner in doing it, even more vicious in doing so that I didn't take a sledgehammer to the money changers. I turned over in order to demolish them so they could never be rebuilt. At the same time that I didn't fashion the whip of cords and swing it around, that's my only regret. I didn't go far enough. Extremism in the defense of the martyrdom of our friend and our brother by people wearing our own jersey, defaming him and his wife. It's no vice. It's a calling more people need to answer, frankly. More in a moment. The steve day show. Right back here on the Steve Day show, powered by Chirp. And yeah, I, I take my, my stuff with me when I go out on the road. My, my trigger point rollout, my rolling power mini massager. These are just a couple of the the devices, treatments, tools that they have to help you with your preventative health so that you can stay active longer and older than ever before. All right? Giving your body the relief that it needs to maintain an active and healthy lifestyle. The chirp contour, of course, also gives you its own decompression and massage table with professional grade relief right there from the comfort of your own home. 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And it cannot be widely spread and given to people who reject that God and His Word. It won't work, which is why we couldn't take it to the Middle east, which is why we can't import Somalia or Haiti. These are nations that are in the positions they're in because they've rejected the, the one True living God of the Bible and his Word. We're in the positions that we're in as a people because we have by and large in the last generation tried to do the same. Okay, so we are a creedal nation, but it is a creed that comes from and was inspired by the only one true living God, the God of the Bible and His Word. The Bible. Take that away and you don't have a people capable of this creed. So are we a creedal nation or one that has a, you know, a common heritage and religion? And my answer is yes. Yes. Because you can have all the common heritage and religion you want, but you got to have something that binds you together in terms of when. When Paul uses the term in the New Testament. This is a trusty saying. He's saying this is a creed. Remember we didn't have books in the hands of the masses until the 16th century with the printing press. Books were very expensive to own and often had to be hand produced. So then how was the faith often passed down? Crete, your average Christian in, you know, in. In the Middle Ages knew more of the Apostles Creed. Creed studied, studied, knew more had that had the Apostles Creed memorized way more likely than they had a copy of either the Old or New Testament sitting at home on a counter. But that Apostles Creed had to also come from somewhere, right?

[D]

Yes.

[B]

A nicene creed had to come from somewhere, right? Where did it come from? The one true living God and his Word. The Bible. That's where these creeds came from. That's where our creed comes from. We hold these truths to be self evident. It that all human. That all people are. Are cre. Are. Are created in the image of God. Created. Created. Created. Endowed by their Creator. Who's that creator? Who is he with certain in rights? How would we know what those are? If it's self evident, how would we know? Because if it's so self evident that were their previous. All previous forms of human civilizations were able to. It was so obvious they were able to do it. Correct? No. So we are a creedal nation. But. But the creed has to come from somewhere and somewhere very specific. Otherwise it's not a creed. Which brings me to the clip that I wanted to add to yesterday's conversation is kind of an epilogue. And I always thought this was one of the best clips of Charlie I ever saw. My wife, the first time she saw this was completely and totally blown away by how impressive this is. Watch this.

[C]

Our country was found on common law because the Declaration only refers to God four times in The Constitution, it doesn't refer to God at all and it only articulates the structure of government.

[E]

So first of all, remember that we were a collection of states and colonies and you need to read the state constitution or anything else. 13 out of 13 required a declaration of faith. 9 out of 13 required you to be a Protestant. Except Maryland which was Catholic, which still required a declaration of faith. Every single one of the original state constitutions, Pennsylvania included, they had I profess Lord and Jesus Christ as my Lord and Savior in the original state constitutions. Secondly, 55 out of 56 of the original signers of the declaration were Bible believing church attending Christians. You asked about common law. So common law is inherited from, from Blackstone, who was Christian. A common law is an outgrowth of the scriptures. So let's go to three principles of common law. Presumption of innocence, due process and jury of your peers. All three are biblical principles. So and all wrapped into the ultimate biblical principle that you shall not favor justice if you are richer. Report which is in Leviticus 19, right before the most famous part of Leviticus 19, which is that you should love your neighbor as yourself. But before that is that in the administration of justice you shall not favor the rich or the poor, which is the idea of blind justice. We get that in the west, which is incorporated also in the New Testament ideal. Neither slave nor Greek nor Jew, you're all one in Jesus Christ, which we have the idea of human equality. These are all biblical ideas, they're not enlightenment ideas. But more importantly than that, they say that God was only mentioned four times in the Declaration of Independence. Well that's a big deal. Okay, Laws of nature and nature's God. The last paragraph, the declaration reads as a prayer. It says we appeal to the supreme judge of the universe. Who's the judge of the universe? Jesus Christ. It says in Revelation that Jesus will judge the earth on his throne. This so in the Declaration they were praying to Christ our Lord as a prayer. Very specifically. Thirdly, as I said on the stage yesterday, Deuteronomy was by far the most quoted book, religious or non religious in the time of the founding when they were putting together Constitution more than than John Locke, more than Montesquieu, more than Blackstone. So the book of Deuteronomy which talked about laws, customs, traditions. It was Moses farewell address as he's, you know, about to say goodbye, say hey, good luck in Canaan guys. Here's how you should set up your form of government. But finally, and most importantly, let's look at actually what the founders said. John Adams famously said the Constitution was only written for immoral and religious people. It was wholly inadequate for the people of any other. The body politics politic of America was so Christian and was so Protestant that our form and structure of government was built for the people that believed in Christ our Lord. One of the reasons we're living through a constitutional crisis is that we no longer have a Christian nation, but we have a Christian form of government. And they're incompatible. So you cannot have liberty if you do not have a Christian population.

[B]

Every time I watch that clip, I don't know who the other two guys are, but they're just kind of sitting like, go off king.

[D]

I mean, they're just.

[B]

They're just kind of sitting there like, okay, MC Hammer's gonna dance again. We should stop because people will notice. He's way better at this than us. I mean, that clip is insane. How good that clip is. Reactions. What do you think?

[D]

Well, like with Erica, it is insane, but it's even fleshed out more specifically by Charlie. The point I was making about Erica's the voodoo that that guy tried to pull is that there's this development called common law. And because we have that came out

[B]

of absolutely nothing or nowhere.

[D]

And even if it did come out of Jesus, that means we put God and Jesus on a shelf. Now, because we got this thing called common law, the opposite is true. And that's why they pull this voodoo, because the opposite is true. The common law is that no, you're free. Faith never belongs on a shelf. Your faith is meant to bleed through absolutely everything. And so Erica honors Charlie by talking about what it means to be men and being women. Because what being a man? Absolutely not. Is if you are going to believe in the common law, as Charlie talked about it, being a man is not a leisure pursuit. You have work to do. You must be duty driven. And the more time you will not smash the idols that allow you to be sedentary and make excuses and be anonymous and have your boy toys. You're defying everything you think. Well, the mic drop, Charlie, really, Because you've got to go out and live your own life and drop your own mic. And that's the whole ball game.

[A]

I love how one of the points was that Charlie addressed was God is only mentioned three times or four times, handful of times, less than a handful of times in the Declaration of Independence, as if that's just completely meaningless. And you heard Charlie address that in a much friendlier way than maybe I'd

[B]

be able to address it same and

[A]

as if that's meaningless because how many times is a law addressed? How many times is Buddha addressed? How many times is. Pick your pre Karl Marx self identified atheist profess, this is the voodoo empire declaration of independence.

[D]

Absolutely.

[A]

Just go on down the list. And it's just completely of no consequence whatsoever. Even though God is clearly mentioned multiple times. It's just like I see nothing, I know nothing. It's not there. It's actually not there. The fool says in his heart, what?

[B]

There is no God.

[A]

There is no God. And you heard a fool there saying, oh, God's only mentioned three times, therefore he's not mentioned at all. That doesn't make any sense. Just as much sense as what I ended my reaction to yesterday's conversation about whether or not we are a creedal nation. And I think think the totality, at least from the other side of the looking glass or at least from the other side of history to everything that you just heard from Charlie there, is that yes, we are a nation of creeds and the creed is this. There are no nations. That is the other side of this. Yes, we are a nation of creeds and the creed is this. There are no nations. That doesn't make any sense. But yet, yet it does make sense because that's exactly how we have behaved as a nation, at least as far as our leadership goes. So that was a tour de force. 2 minutes and 45 seconds. 2 minutes and 45 seconds. And again, the credibility that I was talking about earlier, he does that without making the kid feel small. He does it just fact, fact, fact, fact, fact. And you can dispute and it's not the signal jamming facts that the Ian Carrolls and the Candace Owens of the world like to do. It's just these are verifiable sources. It's very much in a logical succession. And here they are. We can debate them if you would like, but that's the perspective.

[B]

I think that last point, the whole thing was great, but your last point there in particular. And we're not the tone people, we're the truth people. But you can tell when someone is confident in what it is they're really trying to persuade you with. I mean he was calm, but there was an extreme amount of confidence in that demeanor. At the same time, what you just saw, there was no, you know, you can tell he's not going through his notes in his head. He's not preparing a pitch a script. He's not trying to hit a touch points and got, you know, and lodestars

[D]

and talking points because Jesus had become the common law of his own life.

[B]

Yes.

[D]

Organic.

[B]

Yes. Yes. And your point that, that I thought also was next level is the acknowledgment. Okay, maybe at one point these things came from God, but we kind of took them from here. And years ago, when I first started out in local radio and the region, the we. I've been ripping off the McLaughlin group from the beginning of my career. And we used to try to have, you know, a local liberal come in and be kind of the Eleanor Clift. And we would rotate it sometimes. And for a period of time we had a, a local secular Jewish Democrat came in that we all got along with. And I remember when the gay marriage issue really hit Iowa hot and heavy and it came up in our roundtable and of course he took the very left wing position on this. And I asked him a question, said, so when did you guys decide at your temple that the law of Moses was canceled? When did you guys decide this? I mean, who granted you the authority? I mean, the law of Moses is very clear on this. I mean, my tradition takes it from your law of Moses. We take our view from your law. So when did you guys all decide that the law of Moses was an off ramp, that you no longer had to follow it, you no longer had to obey it? We'll take it from here. We actually know what a gender is. We actually know what a marriage is. We actually know what a phallus and a vagina are. We know know or what they aren't. We know. We, we got this. So. And he was very perplexed at my question. And I said, well, imagine. Let me put it to you another way. Imagine you, because he was a surgeon here in town at the time you went into surgery and just decided, you know what? I think that the, the current research on physiology is outdated. And I'm just going to go ahead and pretend that the spleen is actually up here by the, by the armpit and just operate accordingly with the utmost confidence that the spleen is by the armpit. What would happen happen? Your patient face all kinds of lawsuits. Right? So, so there are so already. So why is it then, then when you go into, when you put the surgical scrubs on, you understand there's absolute truth that you have to abide by. That doesn't change for you, regardless of what your opinions or feelings are. But you're not able to do that in any other arena. Help me make sense of that. And here's what it ultimately Just comes down to people want to do what they want to do, particularly with their wallets and their zipper, particularly with their wallets and their zippers. And if you get in the way of what they want to do with their wallet and their zipper, then you're in the way. And they will just craft whatever and retcon whatever belief system. They want to do whatever they want with their wallets and their zippers,

[A]

or increasingly your wallet, their zippers.

[B]

Especially if they're Somali, apparently. Yes. Yes. All right, guys, we got about two minutes for you guys. Give your final thoughts on the show today. What do you think?

[D]

Well, I'll just reset that. The. It's the application of God to common law ultimately gets to where we're talking about with Steve's book and inalienable rights and where they come from, and that the common is not bland and boring. It is. It is ultimately, it is gift. And if we denigrate that and always find ways not to receive the gift, we will forfeit the gift. And that is what our culture is in the middle of doing right now. And that is what a family name, the Kirks is desperately trying to go out of their way to the point of death to rescue before it's too late.

[A]

You know, two kings, I think it is, where they rediscover the law. And it's presented to Josiah. The implication there is that it was just kind of. And you've told this story or a version of this story from the Old Testament, that it was just kind of sitting on a shelf. It was there. It was there to be discovered this entire time. I think what we talked about in the second hour is the antidote to what we bemoaned and lamented in the first. The old magic, whatever you want to call it, isn't really old. It's there and it's alive and it can be discovered. And it's the truth of God's word and his design, his principal design for man and woman, his principal design for nations. It's there. So that is the hope. And I just want to reiterate in these times where it's really difficult to sift what's true and what's not, to the degree that we think we have a hold a grasp of what's true, oftentimes it's not exactly hopeful. God's word becomes as relevant as it ever should be in each and every one of our lives. To channel Todd again, we're all on the hook for this.

[B]

That. Amen. All right. We're to stick around pop culture Tuesday. Remember I said at the top's going to be in the overtime today we got it's it's a pretty dark topic, but also violates literally every copyright restriction on all social media accounts. So that's for subscribers [e-mail] days. For the rest of you, go hard. See you tomorrow. Romans 8:28.