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It's a TRAP: Trump's Beef with Pope Leo Cannot Be Won | Guest: Rep. Chip Roy | 4/13/26
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Aaron McIntyre
It's the Steve Day Show. Here's what happened while we were away, brought to you by Sunday Night Raw Pope Leo versus Donald Trump. Since the outbreak of the conflict in Iran, the first American pope, Pope Leo xiv, has been uber critical of the hostilities, saying stuff like, peace cannot be achieved through war. God doesn't bless conflict, and specifically called some of Trump's rhetoric surrounding the conflict as, quote, unacceptable. While it seems like Trump has had enough of the new pope, posted on Truth Social Sunday evening that Leo is weak on crime, that he doesn't want a pope who's okay with Iran having a nuclear weapon, says he likes Pope Leo's brother more than he likes the pontiff, and accused the Catholic Church of specifically choosing Leo because it would be, quote, the best way to deal with President Donald J. Trump. Trump got that off his chest, but he wasn't done yet. For some reason. Last night, Trump posted an AI generated image of his face superimposed on a familiar artistic visage of Christ. He posted the image with no context or commentary. Bizarre. This morning, Pope Leo says, I have
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Chip Roy
no fear, neither the Trump administration nor speaking out loudly about the message of the gospel. And that's what I believe I am
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Steve Dace
called to do, what the church is called to do.
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Aaron McIntyre
Moving on and on the topic of Iran, Vice President J.D. vance had himself a marathon negotiating session with Iran and Pakistani mediators in Islamabad.
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Steve Dace
21 hours and we've had a number of substantive discussions with the Iranians. That's the good news. The bad news is that we have not reached an agreement. And I think that's bad news for Iran much more than it's bad news for the United States of America. So we go back to the United States having not come to an agreement. We've made very clear what our red lines are, what things we're willing to accommodate them on and what things we're not willing to accommodate them on. And we've made that as clear as we possibly could. And they have chosen not to accept our terms.
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Aaron McIntyre
Reports are circulating this morning that perhaps a hang up in the negotiations are that the Iranians could not make contact with officials inside Iran while in Pakistan for security fears, and that agreements and arrangements could still be on the table during those negotiations. Over the weekend, Central command started moving U.S. naval assets through the Strait of Hormuz in reportedly an initial attempt to clear the global choke point. President Trump announced a blockade of Iran's blockade on Sunday. Central Command later clarified that the US Navy as of this morning is in position to and will be interdicting any vessels attempting to port to and from Iran. Back at home, Congressman Eric Swalwell is out of the California gubernatorial race. Swalwell made the announcement last night after a stream of allegations of a sexual nature poured in over the past week, including a video of Swalwell in a room with allegedly a prostitute. Hitting it with a Chinese spy. Is all well and good, but past sexual escapades are a problem for Democrats when Republicans now seem poised to win the California governorship. In a crowded field of candidates, the nation kicked off the weekend in incredible fashion.
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Steve Dace
Splashdown confirmed. Copy Splashdown. Waiting on VLDR. Splashdown confirmed at 7:07pm Central Time, 5:07pm Pacific Time. From the pages of Jules Verne to
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Chip Roy
a modern day mission to the moon,
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Steve Dace
a new chapter of the exploration of our celestial neighbor is complete.
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Aaron McIntyre
NASA's Artemis II, the first crewed lunar mission in more than 50 years, returned to Earth on Friday after completing its historic trip around the moon. The four member crew, NASA Commander Reid Wiseman, pilot Victor Glover, Mission Specialist Christina Koch, Canadian Space Agency mission specialist Jeremy Hansen, successfully splashed down in the Pacific Ocean around 8:07pm Eastern Time in what NASA mission control called a perfect bullseye. Shortly after reaching Earth once again, astronaut Victor Glover said, this started on April 3rd.
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Chip Roy
I wanted to thank God in public and I want to thank God again because even bigger than my challenge, trying
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Steve Dace
to describe what we went through, the
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Chip Roy
gratitude of seeing what we saw, doing
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Aaron McIntyre
what we did and being with who
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Steve Dace
I was with, it's too big to
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Aaron McIntyre
just be in one body. And finally, the return of the Artemis 2 astronauts provoked this video from last year to go viral over the weekend as well. When Transportation Secretary Sean Duffy and his family, including his young daughter with down syndrome, Valentina got to meet those same astronauts.
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Steve Dace
That smells really great. It was very nice meeting you. Thanks for taking the picture with me.
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Chip Roy
Say thank you, Valentina. You say thank you.
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Steve Dace
Thank you. Okay.
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Aaron McIntyre
I'm sorry, Ms. Rachel.
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Steve Dace
She's coming with us. All right.
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Aaron McIntyre
It's incredibly sweet. And that's what happened while we were away.
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Steve Dace
Virgil Glover, early leader in the clubhouse for man of the year 2026 movie.
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Todderson
Yeah. Dare you to top that.
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Steve Dace
I mean, I know you've been concerned about the. The Catholic prot. You know, violence occurring online by heeding the. The great quote of Sun Tzu, have all your enemies attack you. Simultaneously. Trump has united those two groups in mutual. What you doing over the weekend? Yes, now, now the president is walking into a trap, but not in the Strait of Hormuz. I'll Explain here next on the ste. And greetings. Happy Monday. Welcome to the Steve Day show, here live and on demand on Blaze TV, radio and podcast. I'm Steve Day, c tters and you've already heard from Aaron McIntyre. We are brought to you by our friends over at Preborn. You guys have been so generous into helping save as many babies as we possibly can because Preborn is one pro life ministry that was ready for the post Roe v. Wade world. They understood this was going to be a street fight now, and they have been on the streets confronting moms considering the murder of their own children with ultrasounds to convince them that that is not an unviable tissue mass. But that is their baby. And they've had a ton of success doing this because they don't just end there. They are now there to help establish this new family, get it started off on the right foot as well, with practical needs like maybe even counseling, diapers, car seats, and more. All of this. They do the ultrasounds, the aftercare. It's all free of charge, but we all know none of it's free. And that's where you guys come in. You've been so generous for the last few years of this partnership. And let's keep it going because for as little as $28, you could fund an ultrasound that doubles a baby's chance at Life. Today@Preborn.com Steve, make your tax deductible donation today to Preborn.com Steve. All right. Coming up on today's show, Texas Congressman Chip Roy is going to join us at the bottom of the hour and we'll see if Congress will literally do anything. It's the year's almost over, right? No, wrong. It's April 13th. So what are they, what are they doing now? Like, do you know what the US Congress is doing today? Do you know? Is, is it just, I have no clue.
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Todderson
Is it just April Fool's Month? Not just day. Now is this whole thing just so
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Steve Dace
we'll see if Congress plans on doing anything else here? Apparently, I guess Mike Johnson's thinking of funding Planned Parenthood again. So we'll get into that with Chip at the bottom of the hour. And then next hour, we're gonna get into what you want to talk about with an ask me anything questions from our audience on X. I would imagine, given the events of the weekend, we've got some doozies, huh? Huh? I bet you enjoyed going in through and. And curating those questions as you're not Mr. Erzin.
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Todderson
Yeah, I picked the wrong day to quit sniffing glue.
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Steve Dace
All right, so let's correct something that is not a trap, but an astute move and something that is a trap. And I'm probably going to give you a parlay here that is in the opposite direction of what you are anticipating. The trap is not what the President is doing in the straits of Hormuz. That is actually very astute. Now, I would prefer we weren't in the straights of Hormuz at all. I would prefer we were in the straits of Minneapolis. Okay. All right. I would prefer we were in the straits of our own country with a myriad of problems we have to address, but we're not. And I don't get to make those calls. Right. And I voted, many of you voted for the President of the United States to make those calls. So here we are. And now that we are here, it is paramount that we win. And I, and I see this with a. With. And I was this way, too, as a young man. There is something about you, about a young man, when he starts to come of age and figure things out, that you immediately kind of think that the parts of the world you need to challenge, you can't. And then the parts of the world that you can't challenge, you should. And. And the reality is walking away from Iran now would be dumb. It would make the entire thing we've been trying to do, or claiming we're trying to do for the last six weeks irrelevant. And here's why. The primary mission, we were told, was to diminish Iran's military to continue to be a threat against us and our allies because Iran has kidnapped or killed hundreds of Americans since the Ayatollahs seized the country in 1979. Right. That's the rationale that we were given. Right. It is pretty clear by giving, given how sporadic Iran's response is, not even necessarily knowing who's even running the nation of Iran at the moment. Right. It's pretty clear to some degree we have significantly diminished their. Their military capability. Yeah, I think that's pretty clear now what that means from there. How to itemize it from there. Exactly. How many missiles do they have left? How much of the Revolutionary or the Revolutionary Guard? How many of those soldiers have been killed in these bombs? And could the minute we walk away, overrun the country? Those are questions I hope our Pentagon knows, but we don't know those questions. Right. We don't know, but. So when I say we, I don't mean the United States in this case. I'm. I'm going to hopefully Assume Pete Hegseth knows way more about this than we do. The we is those of us watching from the outside on Team America. That's the we. I should clarify that.
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Todderson
Right.
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Steve Dace
From what we can tell based on the sporadic and erratic response from Iran, it's clear some level of significant diminishment of their military capability has occurred. The, the, the lack of a cohesive leadership structure to put out on camera in front of us to message against the. America's messaging. It's pretty clear some significant level of damage has been done to their chain of command. We don't know the specifics of that, but that's what we on the outside here on Team America can ascertain by what we can see. Are we all okay with that so far? Yeah. Right. So if you run from Iran, if you, if you, if you declare victory and leave Iran now, right, then one. What you're essentially saying to that, you know, to the people, take out the regime if you can. And you're saying to the regime, you may now try to resurrect yourself if you can. The. With. With it. With a significant amount of military damage done to Iran, it has one significant piece of leverage that is immediately attainable, and it's the piece of leverage that would allow them to then rebuild their military capabilities. And it's the free flow of oil through the Straits of Hormuz that they have mined and, and had a large role in patrolling and owning for many, many years. So if you go there and then you leave them the, the, the, the piece of leverage that they have by which to resurrect themselves, it is possible that in the not too distant future, six months, six years in the not too distant future, they will use that leverage to do so and thus render this entire operation Epic Fury as a great prominent temporary display of American military, you know, maritime and, and aeronautic, you know, dominance. But it was basically just a glorified drill, you know what I'm saying? Because in the grand scheme of things, it's just a new guy. It's just a new crazy with too many vowels in his name. All right? And, and they've just now. And, and, and because what did Iran immediately try to do with the straight, well, we're only going to let our allies now through, and everyone else pays a. Basically a jizza, right? The Islamic tax of that Muhammad and his followers instilled in on people they didn't want to convert to Islam. Fine, you don't have to convert. You'll just pay this hefty Tax that'll at some point make you just want to convert because you can't afford it. Right. And so they were immediately trying to exert that leverage. The president announcing the blockade was, in my opinion, the astute move here. Because now I would argue it might have been astute to never do this, but since we did, we have to now win. We have to win. All right? We have to win. Walking away with anything other than a win, then you risked a. You risked this splinter in your own base for nothing. You diverted your attention from domestic issues which you, you know, upset independent voters for going on two months. You did this all for nothing, right? You did it all for nothing. We're still sitting here in October and gas is way too expensive. We did it all for nothing. That cannot happen. So this is the astute move, and you essentially don't just trap the Iranians, but you trap your own allies and saying, hey, all of you EU countries that didn't want to join us in this before, well, you need this straight in its oil more than we do, so you better join us in this blockade. This is. This is a chess move by the President and his administration. I think that this is the astute move and not the trap. Thoughts before I get on to what I think the trap is?
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Todderson
Of course, not to mention the mere fact that you have a truce that instantly Iran tests by not following through on it in multiple ways, not just related to Hormuz. You have to answer back it. I mean, it's just without question.
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Steve Dace
Yeah.
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Aaron McIntyre
I mean, this is closing the Strait of Hormuz, which is always a misnomer. It's my little tisming out here. You can't close a straight. But I digress. That's like an economic nuclear weapon. That's the last card that you play. Once you play that, and that doesn't work, no matter how long it takes. It might take more months, but if ultimately it doesn't work some sometime along the way here, you're out of cards to play, right? You're just out. So I do think it's an interesting move on a couple of different fronts.
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Steve Dace
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Todderson
Yeah.
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Steve Dace
When the character we later on find out is Ra's al Ghul. And he's mentoring a young Bruce Wayne what to do with his anger, his frustration and his desire for vengeance and retribution. And he urges him to make himself into something more than a man. A symbol. A symbol. And he says, well, why? Why? What happens if I make myself into a simple. And Rache tells him, you become something more than a man. A legend. The trap the President is running into here is not in the Middle East. It's in Rome. He's walking right into a trap. And I'm just telling you, I don't believe for a second it's a coincidence that we finally get an American Pope, right. When the most nationalistic fervor that has swept the country in at least a century is ongoing on issues like immigration and other things. I don't think that's a coincidence. I don't. And if you look at the issues that this Pope has chosen to inject himself into publicly, like he had the private meeting, what was it like two weeks ago with all the exorcist about the occultic and satanic stuff going on in the world. Kind of like a private meeting with all these guys, but publicly. No press gaggles for that, right? No press gaggles for that that I can remember.
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Todderson
Not that I know.
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Steve Dace
The press gaggles are to push back on us for not having open borders and everything else. And, you know, for the. For a Pope who says he hates warfare. Do you know the last time he condemned Putin for the ongoing war in Ukraine? Do you know the last time that one was? Has that been anytime relatively recent?
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Todderson
I. I don't know.
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Aaron McIntyre
Yeah.
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Steve Dace
Don't you think that's my point? I kind of think we should so to quote the great prophet Admiral Akbar, it's a trap. It's a trap, Right? Having this cardinal on 60 Minutes last night, not a coincidence. This is an op. And I think with the. What the President is walking into and the rake he is stepping on with his own messaging last night, by the way, it's not that what he said was wrong, but the way he is messaging it, he is arguing with something that to many people, like a billion people in this world, is something more than a man, a symbol, including a lot of people, by the way, who voted for the President. And in his two presidential wins, I would say he had three. But in his two presidential wins, he won Catholics resoundingly. So already, already Catholics have shown that they can walk and chew gum at the same time. They can believe in the historicity and liturgical claims of their church and then its ultimate leader, which for Trump has been, I would argue, back to back, woke papists and Francis. And I think this guy is even more overt in Leo. Yet at the same time, Trump won presidential elections getting Catholic voters in both of those eras.
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Todderson
Right, right.
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Steve Dace
Okay. So they were already able to. To discern and detach issues from their love of that. Of that symbol. I'm sure you can tell us stories, Todd, of lots of Catholics who were essentially the Ben Affleck smoking, exasperated meme throughout much of the. Much of Francis's tenure, but then when he died, wept that the Pope had passed. Right. That's the, that's, that's. You guys would say that's what it means as a Catholic to be in the world and not of it.
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Todderson
Right, Correct.
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Steve Dace
Okay. Which means there's an audience that you can already message this to and do it effectively. Yes, but that is not what the President did with. The president decided to do instead was attack the symbol of the papacy. And that is a rake step, in my opinion. That is walking right into a trap. That's a battle you cannot win. If there is one bully pulpit on this earth bigger than his now, it rarely gets used for the stuff that matters, which is why we don't realize this. I think. I think we don't realize it because if the Pope used the bully pulpit he wants to smack Trump with to go after all the occult stuff happening in the world, that would, that would, that would, that would make a mark. Right, okay. But he doesn't do that. And so do not think, my fellow Protestant brethren, that because the last couple of Popes have frankly, not injected themselves into the stuff that ultimately is existentially significant, Keep using that term. Sorry. Significant Monday. All right. Just because the last couple of popes have chosen not to do that, to be nowhere to be found really when the shofar sounds and we're lucky if they're not shooting at us instead. Just because that's been the last couple of popes, do not mistake that for this thing is limp wristed lame and has no power. The opposite is true.
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Todderson
Because of the most of the people you're talking about actually were alive. Like me when Pope John Paul II was the John Wayne of the Catholic Church.
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Steve Dace
Correct. And so there's one, there is one bully pulpit on this planet that carries more weight than the one the President has. It's the only one. But it's in Rome. And what the President is doing is, is by going directly at the Pope the way that he is, he is allowing the Pope to message himself as a symbol and not be held accountable for where's he been on all of these fights. And you're putting a lot of your own Catholic voters in a position where they've already shown they're willing to vote the conscience informed by church teaching and not the woke trend lines of the current occupants of the white, of, of the. Of the office. They've already, they've already shown they're willing to do this. So why put them in a position where they now feel like they have to defend their own papacy? I think if somebody I and forgive me Rob, I didn't ask for your permission to do this but since you were posting these, these comments publicly, I'm going to use you, I think of our own managing editor here at the Blaze. And Robino recently returned back to the Catholic faith of his youth. He's pretty on fire for his Catholic views. Rob's pretty based. Pretty hardcore right winger. Right?
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Todderson
Yeah.
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Steve Dace
And he's just utterly disgusted at what the President posted today. You have to make a big mistake to have Rob Eno counter signaling you. That's my point. If Robino is counter signaling you and your Donald Trump, you made a mistake. You walked into a trap. Now here's the thing. Nothing the President said was wrong. I would argue it's 100 correct. But how. But you cannot attack a symbol with the spirit of the age is trying to get you to do, Mr. President is go to war with a symbol that you'll never be on a ballot opposite of and was here long before you were here and until Jesus returns will likely be here long after you're gone. You cannot defeat that symbol. Let me give you an analogy That I think a lot of you will understand. Whenever I say things like, cash Patel needs to arrest more traitors. Pam Bondi needs to erase more, arrest more Epstein human traffickers, inevitably, here's what will my feed will look like when I do that. Don't you know that Donald Trump appointed eight people that. Why don't you go after. Go after the guy? Why don't you ever do that date. You guys see that stuff?
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Todderson
I do.
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Steve Dace
Okay. You think I'm unaware of who appointed these people to their positions? So after 10 years of Trump, it took me a while. First of all, it took me a few years to learn this lesson because I didn't want to. Neither way I operate. Then it took me another few years to accept it.
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Todderson
That is the way you operate.
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Steve Dace
That is, you know, you've been here the whole time. You know, I don't want to accept what I don't want. And then it'll take me a while to accept it when I realize, wow, what I don't want is happening. All right. I finally realized you really don't get much with this president. He really won't listen to you if he doesn't think you're loyal to him. He just won't. Some people are different. Like, I don't need you to, like, give me a disclaimer when you call, when you want to. When you want to ask me about something or question me on something or criticize me on something. Yeah, I don't. I don't require a disclaimer or anything like that from you. You're just welcome. Just bring it up whenever you want. He doesn't operate that way. And I'm not saying one's better, one's worse. And I'm kind of saying also, I guess when they tried to put you in prison and tried to shoot you and tried to take billions of dollars away from me, I really can't blame a guy for being the least bit paranoid.
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Todderson
Fair.
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Steve Dace
You just. They won't listen to you if they. We're talking about one of the most targeted and prosecuted political figures in American history in Donald Trump. He's just not going to listen to you if he doesn't think he can count on you. Right or wrong doesn't matter whether it's right. It doesn't matter whether it's right or wrong. No, no. Because he's the president and that's the way that he is. So that's really all that matters. Right. And then you have to make a decision whether you want to be listened to. And Be effective. And if you do, you have to accept this. And so I've just had to learn to accept it. I don't like it. Didn't want to accept it. But over the last few years, I've just learned to accept it because I think the trying to save the country I love for my kids and grandkids is more important than, don't you know, Dave, who the fault? The president? The boy? Don't you know? Don't you know, Dave? Get the credit died demand. Okay. I think that's way more important than, you know, the 70 of you who can't, you know, let go of the fact the calendar is not April 2023 anymore.
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Todderson
Fair, fair, fair. Okay.
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Steve Dace
Now, I've got friends who don't want to accept this, and everything they're saying is right, but they're frankly not being listened to. Right? Because that's just the way this president rolls. If you don't, they don't think they can count on you. They're not going to listen to you. That's just the way he rolls. So we all have to come to. Am I saying anything incorrect?
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Todderson
No.
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Steve Dace
So we all have to just decide on our own and make peace with which of these two paths we are more comfortable living on.
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Todderson
How much influence do you want or need?
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Steve Dace
Correct. And so, yes, I'm well aware of who appoints all these offices, but I'm also well aware of going after a guy who has been gone after more than anybody else. This just does not get his attention. It just doesn't. You have to show him and his followers that they're being failed, not that they're the failures. And then they're way more inclined to listen. Anybody want to argue with anything else I'm saying so far?
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Todderson
Nope.
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Steve Dace
So it's a matter of whether you want to be right or do you want to be effective. You can be right doing this a totally different way. Do you want to be effective? Is a different question. I would like to be effective. Otherwise, being right means nothing other than I just published a blog and a podcast. Podcast. And what else am I doing here? I could just make widgets doing anything else. I want to be effective. I want to have influence. That's why I've always used this as a platform to exert influence since it was first given to me June 6th of 2006 on WHO Radio. From day one, I used it as a means of exerting influence, not just pontifications. Otherwise, what's the point? And I am. I am concerned that the. That Therefore, the President is not aware fully of what he is walking into. And attacking the office of the Pope as a politician has way more likelihood it will rubber band against you than it will penetrate the aura of the symbol itself. Instead, what I would suggest, and far be it for me to give maybe the greatest pugilist in American political history, Council, but I would suggest actually asking the Pope to be accountable to his own office, rather than attacking the office itself and say, hey, why do you think Pope Leo, with all due respect, you're new here. Maybe you don't know, but maybe you didn't realize. I've won Catholic voters overwhelmingly. And, you know, the two times I took the oath of office, I wouldn't have done so without Catholic voters. Sure. And I'm. I'm here actually trying to save the West. The Catholic Church essentially installed your forebears in that office, did what it took to forge Western civilization. I'm. I'm basically Charles Martel out here. I'm the last guy left trying to save this thing.
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Chip Roy
Where are you at?
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Steve Dace
I need. I need you like Reagan needed John Paul ii. Man, we need each other. What are we doing here? Put it back on him. Why are you standing in the gap? Put it back on him to do his job, the job that his people think and want him to do, particularly ones that are voting for you, rather than going at him. And this symbol. You cannot beat a symbol except with a. With a superior symbol. And as much as we love America and as much as you, you may love this president, the symbol of the presidency is never going to be a greater symbol than the church in Rome. And I say that as a Protestant. Never cannot be. It's not possible. So you've already lost by arguing symbol, arguing in this on the UN Symbolic means. Argue it on substantive means. Thoughts on that before I have to get out of here?
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Todderson
Incredibly well said. You, Leo, is absolutely worth criticizing, just like any man is. But when you overgeneralize and you make this about the Pope, the papacy, the Catholic Church, it's been around for 2,000 years. I tried to counsel people online this weekend about this before this nonsense happened, but it seems like a war is being picked. Like you can finally make this church go away. As Steve said, impossible. Not worth doing. You lessen your influence and the message of the gospel by even trying. So Donald Trump and the unfortunately, very different men, but they're making the same mistake vis a vis Iran. Their messaging does not comport with the actual facts on the ground, and both need to clean it up.
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Aaron McIntyre
Listen, I'm the guy last week said multiple times I have, I have trouble taking anybody seriously who gets their panties in a wad over basically anything Trump posts. But saying what he said about the papacy last night, in addition to posting that image, that was, oh my goodness, that made me wince.
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Steve Dace
Hey, he's got the Catholics and Protestants on, on, on X United again. They're not fighting each other now. Just not the way he intended.
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Chip Roy
The steve day show.
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Steve Dace
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Chip Roy
How are you? Good to see you all. Hope you're doing well.
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Steve Dace
We are. We'll be doing better though if you tell me that you guys there in the Congress have series of 90 hour work weeks lined up that you're going to be grinding to make sure that the last of the agenda we all voted for in this last election is going to absolutely get done in time to not lose 40 House seats and just do for me to just sit here and do impeachment palooza broadcasting all of next year, which I want to do. Like I, you know, I want a wart on my face. So I'll be doing a lot better if you're telling me that's the itinerary moving forward. Chip.
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Chip Roy
Well, as with everything we've been doing this Congress, you know there's a Handful of us that are trying to tug and pull and push everything in the right direction with a two seat majority. Look, and by the way, let's start this with a little bit of grace. It is difficult with a two seat majority, three seat majority. Right? Kind of. It's been moving around a little bit, but the real obstacle has not been that thin majority in the House. So I'll answer your question. We've been able to get a lot of stuff done, not everything I'd like to. We should have moved HR2 already. We should have moved some other aggressive bills to, you know, put them over into the Senate. But we've done our work. We passed the SAVE act three times. We passed a number of other pieces of legislation that have sat over in the Senate and you know, we would have been more aggressive on the big beautiful bill. The Senate is obviously the problem and it's not just a problem with the 60 vote threshold. It's a problem of 51, of having 51 senators willing to stand up and fight. So that's why we tried to call the question here a little bit. Mike Lee and I using the Save America act as the vehicle. But now even with this DHS funding debate, right, I was opposed to isolating dhs. I acquiesced to be a team player. We funded all the government except for dhs, did a CR on that until it expired. Now it's expired and now we're saying, well, let's fund ICE and Border Patrol and do that separately. I oppose isolating ICE and Border Patrol. I'm going to get in the weeds here. Let me just answer your question. We need to be aggressive. We need to shove aside the so called Dignity act, which is an absolute abomination and amnesty. We need to get on offense on a Border Security Bill, HR2, that truly codifies what Trump has been doing and what we know we need to do on asylum and parole and catch and release and codify that stuff. We need to send over a full DHS package for the remainder of the President's term in reconciliation with other good policies on defense and on some tax policies, maybe some other reforms on green new scam, send that over to the Senate and we need to basically say that's what we're doing. And then we should go out and campaign as House members, put pressure on the Senate, make them step up and deliver. And let me throw out an idea. For example, why would you not, if you're the Senate Majority leader, say, look, we're gonna say that if the government is shut down. And we have a continuing resolution bill to fund government. We'll do that. At 51 votes. It's like a shutdown prevention procedure or rule. Let's have talking filibusters like Mike Lee and I are talking about. But we've gotta go on offense. We've gotta be aggressive. We can. I'm proud of the things we've been doing. We got to go further. Look, there's a reason, as you know, I'm running for Attorney General. There's a reason that a PAC in California ran $1 million of ads against me. A bunch of leftists, Marxists, Green News scam people trying to rake in money on the back of corporate cronyism. They said that they paid $1 million to run ads against me because they fear me as Attorney General. That's what's going on. Why? Because I delivered on the Greenview scam subsidies. I told the president in the White House, I'm not passing your big beaut bill unless we get what we want in the Green new scam. So, like, we're going to be doing some of that stuff this week on fisa, some of that stuff this week on the spending stuff. We're going to keep fighting because we have to.
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Steve Dace
All right, let's get into some of that stuff. And I'm glad you made that, that point of order because as you were talking, it reminded me, I don't think until something I'm about to ask you about. I have said one negative thing about Speaker Mike Johnson in at least six months, and that's close to a record for me, Chip. So, because you're right, you guys have been actually trying to move an agenda. The one question I do have is there was some reporting last week about him caving on funding Planned Parenthood because why not just make one of the leading bundlers for the Democrats even more flush with cash flow from subsidies in the middle of an election year that they will then just use to take, you know, take control of the Congress in the next election. Please tell me that reporting is false.
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Chip Roy
You know, I don't know for sure where all of that stands. What I'll tell you is this, whenever we do another reconciliation package, we should extend that defunding of Planned Parenthood that we put in the first one. In my opinion, that I hope we will do it is why I think we need to do something aggressive on it. Secondly, what I would tell you is the real fight is mifeprestone. Right? And I'm not walking away. We should defund Planned Parenthood they're butchers. They're leftists. We shouldn't give them, you know, taxpayer dollars. Let me be 100% clear. Somebody's gonna misquote me here, but I want to extend to. We need to stop the flow of mifeprestone across our country, which is now responsible for the lion's share. So we need to stay on offense on that. I don't know exactly where that's going to land, but it goes back to my main point. We need a holistic approach to what we're doing on another reconciliation package. It cannot just be, oh, we're going to go fund ICE and Border Patrol because Democrats won't. And now we're going to isolate them, but we'll get the funding. That's weak. I don't believe we'll get another bite at the apple. We need to do it hardcore in the next two months, get it done, send a message to the people of our priorities, and then go campaign.
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Steve Dace
On the Senate side, how much of this is. There's just a bunch of Republicans there that just don't agree with us on all this stuff.
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Chip Roy
Well, that's certainly the case for a handful and a. And it depends on the issue that number. It can be somewhere between five and 25. Five are often, you know, cantankerous and not with us on a lot of issues. Tillis, Murkowski, sometimes Collins, go down the list. There's, you know, 3, 4, 5. But I would tell you there's what, 20 or 25 who aren't often with us when we have key votes on spending matters. They'll vote for the big bloated appropriations bills. Remember, there were 17 senators who voted whatever two and a half years ago for the massive spending bill in that December. That's the crowd that we always have to fight against. But the Save America act, we have 51 co sponsors, I think are 50, 50 plus JD so there's no real excuse to not move that.
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Steve Dace
And then when you have people like Tillis or my senator Joni Ernst retiring, your ability to leverage them gets very difficult because at that point, there's every incentive, actually just to do what all their big donor groups want to get the best seat on the best boards so that they're. They're taken care of when they're no longer getting a check here as being a member of the United States Senate.
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Chip Roy
Well, and that is a real issue. And it's something, I mean, you know, as you know, I'm leaving the House of Representatives. I hope to be the attorney General of Texas. But I can't imagine that members who get an election certificate to fight for the people to go to Washington to change it, that they would be concerned about, and it is true, it happens. They'd be concerned about what's my next gig and what's. What place am I going to get. I mean, it's just so abhorrent that that would drive anybody's consideration. You know, my view is we gotta lay it all out on the table. We've gotta go, leave everything on the field. We have an opportunity right now with a president who's willing to shake things up. You and I have been honest in our disagreements with the president over the years, sometimes, sometimes to a fault where I take arrows for it at times. But I'm with him 99% of the time. The guy is shaking things up. He's taking the fight to Iran with so far not a significant presence on the ground. We're reshaping the geopolit landscape. We're actually taking on a lot of the swamp and firing bureaucrats. Is it as fast as I would want?
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Steve Dace
No.
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Chip Roy
But that's mostly because the Senate sucks and they all sit around playing swamp games. I've got a few differences of opinion with the administration here and there, but out of 100 things, like 92 of them are awesome. So it drives me insane that Congress sits back and we go away for two weeks over Easter when we should have fricking been in Washington working to get these bills passed. I'm running statewide in Texas. I can't possibly spend enough days on the road in Texas. But we should have been in D.C. the last two weeks. My job is a member of Congress right now. We should be there. We should. Now we're going to be there for the next three weeks, but we shouldn't leave until we get the job done.
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Steve Dace
If. If the president called you in and because of everything you just said, if he called you in and said, all right, Chip. Yeah. Everything you just said.
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Chip Roy
Yeah.
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Steve Dace
You've been a thorn in my side at times, but for the most part, you've helped me aggressively move much of my agenda for the last couple years. And you're retiring, so you don't really care what anybody thinks. What do you think I ought to. How I ought to hit, How I ought to handle the Senate, the Republican Senate between now and when they break in, you know, in September, October, to go campaign for the midterms, what would you tell them to do it?
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Chip Roy
Don't blink. Take the message straight to the people he's been delivering, his administration is delivering. The House has been largely delivering. We need the Senate to get the job done. The President's instincts are exactly right when it comes to the filibuster and when it comes to needing to change the Senate. Let's talk about the filibuster for one quick second. I'm a conservative, you're a conservative. Your listeners are made up heavily of conservatives. We don't like legislation to move through Washington. Fair, you agree with that. As a general rule. But the filibuster. The filibuster is an important tool to slow down bad legislation. I've always felt that way. But it needs to be carried out with truth. It needs to be carried out with actual work to filibuster and slow down the process. But if you literally just change and transform the threshold to 60 votes, we will never be able to move legislation that will save our country. The left has been winning through bureaucracy, through court rulings, through bad, you know, frankly, bad legislation that was done in the fit of a political moment or jamming it through on reconciliation like Obamacare. And so you need a Senate to be able to react and to fix some things and to transform policy with something meaningful. So Mike Lee and I have been trying to say guys to the people and a lot of our friends who are institutionalists saying, chip, you guys are going to destroy the filibuster. No, all we're saying is we actually want to try to preserve some elements of the constitutional cooling saucer, the Senate without an artificial fake filibuster of 60 votes, meaning make them go to the floor and debate or change rules for very narrow circumstances like government funding. You can break a 60 vote with a 51 vote for a continuing resolution of existing spending level. If there's a shutdown fight, there would still be incentive for appropriators to want to appropriate the bills. But if you get an impasse, great, we can fund it at current levels with a 51 vote. Why not do something like that? Why not be creative? But the Senate will never be creative as long as they think they can wiggle through all of this in their six year terms, hiding behind the 60 vote threshold to actually not accomplish the stuff that the President wants to accomplish, which I think is the real story behind this, is that you've got a bunch of a handful, a handful of senators that don't want to do those core things. So the President ought to stay the course, he ought to put pressure on the Senate to deliver, and he basically ought to go to the American people and say, I'm fighting for you, I'm delivering for you. We need the Senate to match what I'm doing and what the House is doing.
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Steve Dace
You mentioned you have been, while you guys have been on break, you've been out on the campaign trail running for ag in the state of Texas. So you're all over that state. Right. And it's one of the biggest states in the union. You guys have major urban areas, large rural sectors. At the same time, it's essentially a cross section of the entire country. What are you hearing out on this stump for aggressive from voters about everything that you and I just discussed?
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Chip Roy
Well, first of all, the number one issue I hear about in Texas is that we have to stop the march of Islam into our state and across the country. That's number one and it's not even close. Steve, I hear it everywhere. I hear it from across your type of Republican, from hardcore activists to kind of more mainline establishment. I hear it in South Texas, North Texas, West Texas, East Texas. They're beside themselves that Islam is actively on the march in Texas. That's number one. Number two, they want us to actually deliver alongside the President, permanency in the reforms of what we're doing on the border. They know that the president has temporarily stopped the bleeding, but they want to see us in Congress match with the president, codify what he's doing to get good stuff done. I will add to that there is angst among our agriculture sector, our hospitality sector, our oil and gas workers, et cetera, about labor and about what's going on with border and enforcement. But generally they're all very patient about wanting to get things right because they know we need to secure the border. They want us to do things like plow or veto and stopping the taxpayer subsidized education of illegal alien children because the Supreme Court ruled on it. They want birthright citizenship to get ended. They want sanity and then they want some sort of a guest worker program. My view is I want to get all this secured, codified and get it done. And by the way, this is all related to Islam. To put all of that in a bucket and add the Save America act on top of it in terms of citizens voting and voter id, now you're cooking with peanut oil. That's where Texans, they want all of that delivered. They want it done. Besides that, obviously they want a strong economy. I'd say most people I talked to, including people who were very reticent about war in Ukraine, had been grown tired of Iraq in our base, including Myself, that was my posturing. Are very proud of what we're doing in Iran so far. Believe that it's in our interest. Not that this is some sort of, oh, this is doing the bidding of Israel. You get a few people that chatter on that, but mostly people are saying, hey, this makes sense. I mean, Iran's been awful for 50 years. Take out their bad leaders, take out nuclear, take out some of their conventional weaponry that now goes farther than we ever knew. And reestablish the geopolitical order with China and Russia. Now what we did in Venezuela, add all that up, and now America can look centuries ahead instead of six months ahead by earnings reports and gas prices. That's what this president is doing. And again, I will call the president out when I disagree. But this president is resetting the geopolitical landscape in a way that all of us have been looking for. We didn't want to build soccer fields in Baghdad. We wanted to go threaten Tehran. Well, this guy's actually doing it. So that's where the American people are. Stand with the president. Stand strong. No endless wars. No blank check. No boots on the ground unless absolutely necessary. And very narrow. Make sure we secure the border, codify it, and then let's get some rational policies put in place and stop Islam so we can save our state and our country. That's where everybody is.
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Steve Dace
Good to see you, my friend. Thank you.
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Chip Roy
Thanks, Steve. See you, guys. God bless Todd.
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Steve Dace
God bless Congressmanship Roy from Texas. Got about a minute here, gentlemen. Your thoughts on that?
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Todderson
It is the year of our Lord 2026, and the number one issue in Texas by far, far, according to the most honest man I know in politics,
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Steve Dace
is Islam taking over Texas.
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Todderson
Do you know what time it is?
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Steve Dace
They've got over 300 mosques in Texas now.
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Aaron McIntyre
Aaron, I'm just going to steal your thunder. Yeah. With that being said, could we get Trump to post, like, an AI generated image of, like, Muhammad or something?
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Steve Dace
I'm preemptively. I'm in favor of that. Yes. I'm in favor of presidential Muhammad trolls. In favor of that. False gods are. You may troll them all you want. Not the real one. Back with hour two and your questions. Your turn to ask me anything next. All right, back here with hour two, live and on demand on Blaze TV, radio and podcast. Steve Dace with Todderson and Aaron McIntyre. A Little Housekeeping for you. We have a short week this week. Taking a little delayed anniversary vacation because I've also got a couple of events to do. I got in D.C. coming up this weekend. Conservative Partnership Institute for Jim DeMint on Friday night, and then the America Reads the Bible Gala on Saturday night. And then my Bible reading is on Sunday night. And so the wife and I decided, you know what, there's, we're both big history buffs and stuff like that. We're going to take a couple extra days in D.C. and have an anniversary trip and make a little mini vacation out of it. We have some extra days now with the Israel trip not happening. Right. So we are off on Thursday and Friday. All right, so a little housekeeping there. And then the following week, you two are going to Dallas with me for the TPUSA Pastor Summit. We will have shows all of next week. The, the end of the week, we'll be doing them from Dallas at the Blaze hq. But we're going to take some of that equipment and stuff that we, we spent to, to go and film Israel. We're to give you guys kind of a, a bird's eye view of the TPUSA Pastor Summit. I'm going to take Todd and Aaron to Buc EE's. Speaking of symbols, incorruptible symbols. Listen, you take your papacy. I dare you to go up against Bucky's. All right, you take that, you take that. You take your roam up against Bucky's and let's see how that plays out. Sure, you can take the President on, but what about Bucky's?
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Todderson
Can we do both? I mean.
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Steve Dace
Yes. All right, so I'm going to take them over to Bucky's and let them experience true American greatness. And we're gonna make a show out of this and you'll see that show later in the year. Kind of a Steve Day show on the road kind of thing. It'll be somewhat serious and then somewhat fun at the exact same time. So just kind of like what the show we do every day is. So little housekeeping update there for you. You can also let us know what you think about what we think via the stevedays.com inbox by emailing. Emailing us steve@stevedase.com that's D E A C E like us on Facebook. Me, we and Gab. You can follow me at steveday show on X Instagram and Tick Tock. Don't forget to also subscribe to our YouTube channel at Day show there at Day show on YouTube. And then if you are a podcast listener, you can hit subscribe or follow. And that's how you'll know that every time we do it's follow. If you're on itunes. And that's how you'll know that every time we do a new episode, it's right there in your podcast feed. Many of you have tens of thousands of you have also left us five star reviews on your podcast platform of preference. Thank you for each and every one of those. And you'll be thanking me later if you try our friends over at Beam because they are going to help you get the best night's sleep that you deserve with their powerful blend of all natural ingredients like Reishi, magnesium, melatonin and more. Think of the old back in the day, Nana gave you the hot cocoa to put you to bed right now. And remember when Nana made the hot cocoa, it was like real cocoa and real milk and so no one was counting a carb or even knew what that was. You remember that?
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Todderson
I do.
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Steve Dace
You drink like a gallon of hot cocoa before you went to bed, put you to sleep and the next morning you didn't wake up like bloated or fat or anything. Weird how that worked. Anyway, we have to do that nowadays, right? So I know what some of you are thinking. That's the last thing I want to do, man. I intermittent fast. All that kind of stuff, none of those carbs and sugars you're worried about, and yet it tastes great as well. And. And you know what? Right now for about A$25 a night is all it'll cost you to get the. The kind of night's sleep that you need and deserve. Right? So try the Beam Dream Powder and they've got a myriad of flavors. You can get them for up to 40 off right now@shopbeam.com Steve get that big discount if you use the promo code Steve get the big discount with the promo code Steve at Shop Beam B E A M as in not much money. Shopbeam.com Steve use the code Steve for the big discount@shopbeam.com Steve. All right, this should be a doozy with the weekend we just had. I have to ask because I never. Look, I want to be surprised in the replies. How many trolls did you get and how many were questions?
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Todderson
Well, there were a lot of trolls about the. And they came in later, obviously because of the now deleted image.
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Steve Dace
Yes, the president has deleted the image of him as a christography, essentially.
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Todderson
I figured you would have addressed it. I'd. Sorry, there's not a specific question about them. But let me sum up all of them. Basically, they all took this tone addressing you Steve.
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Steve Dace
Say it, say it. Criticize the man. Yes, I am sure Donald Trump and And many occupants of the West Wing would be stunned to hear that I am criticized for not criticizing Donald Trump enough for being hesitant to be critical of Donald Trump. I'm sure it would shock. It would shock the senses there in the nation's capital for sure.
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Todderson
And I also, as you know, I love demands. The more high volume they get while being behind anonymous accounts, they warm my heart. And that makes it almost certain you'll get in.
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Steve Dace
Sure. All right, let's get to it. Your turn to ask me anything, Aaron. You've got the questions. Let's fire away.
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Aaron McIntyre
Let's start with Josh Mustachio, who asks is this message from Trump a great message or the greatest message ever? I'll hang up and listen. This is the message from Trump on Truth Social. Senator Lindsey Graham is doing a fantastic job. He's running against a lunatic named Mark lynch who supports perhaps the worst congressman in the history of our country, Thomas Massie of the great Commonwealth of Kentucky. I don't have to go into great detail, but needless to say, Mark lynch would be a disaster for the Republican Party and Lindsey Graham just gets the job done. Vote for Lindsey all the way. MAGA President Donald J. Trump. Josh wants to know, is this message from Trump a great message or the greatest message ever? Full send right out the gate.
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Todderson
I tend to, to not I just, I tend to give him an eren in the order I read them. I mean if, but this one was like two thirds of the way through and I just went zoom right to the top.
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Steve Dace
What was the intent of this question that will help me to answer it. What do you discern was the intent of it?
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Todderson
I just, because I want to answer
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Steve Dace
the question in the spirit it was given.
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Todderson
I think it's the same as from a lot of. You just addressed one very recently, I think from a lot of innocent. Why Lindsey Graham? I mean, there's just a. In general, there's a question to you on many fronts about why Lindsey Graham. This is another one.
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Steve Dace
I have had a long standing disdain for Lindsey Graham. I was once cited in an interview that Lindsey Graham did with Dana Bash on CNN about an Iowa radio host who is referring to as the, quote, first transgendered Republican. Truly one of the proudest moments of my entire career, to be honest with you. I don't change my views on things simply because of what I don't know anything about Mark Lynch. By the way, I know we had one primary challenger to Lindsey on the show last year because there's a couple. I don't know if that was him or not. But I do know we had one on. You remember that? Yeah, I do remember because there was a couple of them and I know we had one on. But I think Lindsey Graham's one of the worst. Has been for the last 20 plus years one of the worst senators we've had, particularly given the state that he represents, where the bar should be way higher. I have for all. It'll be my 20th anniversary of working in politics on June 6th. And I have disdained Lindsey Graham for the totality of it. So I, I'm not, I'm trying to figure out what I'm being asked with this because I'm happy to answer anything. I just, I'm not sure what I'm being asked. Have I not done a sufficient job of making Lindsey Graham a fixture of scorn and mockery on this program, the entirety of you guys careers working for me?
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Todderson
I think he's just asking you to check the math. I mean, vis a visual the conversation you just had with Chip. What's the Senate doing? What are their priorities? I mean, I,
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Steve Dace
I think I almost feel like I shouldn't have to say what I'm about to say, but maybe I do. You know, part of dealing with human beings is you have to tolerate and put up with aspects about them that grind your gears and you. And they have to do the same with you because no one's perfect and that you inevitably have to at some point with every human being you'll ever have a lot of exposure to, you'll have to make a decision whether or not their overall value to your life is worth those things that grind your gears or if they're not. And I, I don't, I'm not trying to say this sarcastically, although frankly I probably should. But I'm after years of this, I'm thinking maybe people just don't know this. And so let me try this unironically. With every human relationship and exposure, you have to decide if the sinful aspects of if the way that person's sinful nature manifests itself is worth a relationship or not. And they all have to do the same with you because you have manifestations of your own sinfulness. For example, if you listen to this show, this is, this is among the most overt biblical worldview programs that's aired in America in the last so far in this century. Is that fair? Oh, yeah. Okay. But I can also get a little fired up. I can also forget sometimes I'm talking here in a bully pulpit and not in a locker room with Some guys and I could use some terms and language that I probably should not use. And so you have to make the decision about if whether or not what I overall bring to the table to inspire and equip you and entertain you is worth those somewhat frequent but largely infrequent slips of the tongue in references. Is that fair?
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Todderson
Yeah. And I think that's exactly what this whole question is ultimately about. Check the math. What are we doing here? Is this leverage exerted on the Senate or is this the Senate ultimately getting over it?
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Steve Dace
Trump's endorsements have been really, really bad or really, really good. The entirety of his kingship here. This is not a new phenomenon. Is this the first time he has endorsed Lindsey Graham? No, no, no. Right. And so this is just the reality of, of, of, of the. And no matter who was king of the gop, you'd have to put up with whatever their manifestations are. They're gonna have things that. About them that are unbecoming because every human being has something about them that is un. Including all of you.
- [60:09]
Todderson
But what if you're a non pure in your mom's basement? What then?
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Steve Dace
Well, I would argue that the impurity begins with the fact you're in your mom's basement. Get out of there. Address the address the log in your eye first. Get out of said basement. Consider a job, a chick, a house. Actually, I can't probably get one of those. An apartment or a dwell, independent dwelling of some kind. And then maybe you'll be, you'll have more of a voice that people will respect when you're coming at a guy that, for all of his problems. One of my best friends is Chip Roy. Was he not just on this show?
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Todderson
He was.
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Steve Dace
Trump isn't, hasn't, didn't. He didn't do it this time. But Trump is endorsed against Chip at least once, maybe twice. And yet no president in my time as a voter has done, has done more for my belief system than Donald Trump has. There's plenty of times I still don't think he's done enough or I think he could do better. But when I assess it with every other Republican presidential candidate I voted for, who's done more for me, I couldn't vote for Reagan, so the first guy I could vote for was Herbert Walker Bush in 1992. That was the first time I could vote who's done more for me as a Republican national standard bearer than our belief system than Donald Trump has. That's 30 years of a record. And I think the answer is clearly nobody. We can argue whether it's enough. We can argue whether it's sufficient, whether it's, Whether it could be better, whether it should be better. Those are all valid arguments to have. But that is, that is not within question. You may take that as faint praise. Wow, this party really sucks. You might even be somewhat right about that. Okay. But again, that's subjective in nature. What's objectively true is he's done more for my belief system than any other national Republican standard bearer has. And despite the fact I don't like the way he's treated Thomas Massie. I didn't agree with Thomas Massie and everything either. I love Thomas Massie as a person. I don't agree with him on everything either because I'm not a libertarian. But I have a lot of respect for Thomas Massie as a man, as a person. And I don't like the way he's been treated. I don't like the way my friend Chip has been treated. On the other hand, though, I love my kids and I have a choice, I guess, which is are we having a primary or an election right now or you that I'm not aware of? I think we already had one of those. Right. Didn't I even weigh in on that? At great risk of my own audience, Didn't I lose Aaron, like 25, 30% of my audience? Yeah, because of what I said in the last primary already trying to do something about the things I didn't like
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Todderson
more than almost anybody did on that front.
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Steve Dace
So I, I. So now the choice then becomes I can continue doing that and having no influence while also ignoring the good stuff Trump does at the exact same time. Or I can, you know, do what I. The reasons that I went against Trump in the last primary is the exact reason of what I'm doing right now. Trying to save the last best hope for a biblical worldview east of Eden and pass it on to my kids and grandkids. That's what I'm trying to do. And when you on your platform, you may do it the way that you want to do it.
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Todderson
That's the answer that question needed.
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Steve Dace
Thank you.
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Aaron McIntyre
Next, let's go to this. This is Bees who said they went to an Episcopal funeral. I'm not understanding the Apostles Creed in reference to Jesus Christ, quote, was crucified, dead and buried. He descended into hell. What's Jesus doing in hell? I thought he went straight up into heaven. Thanks for any insight. Wasn't my church and did not want to discuss during the funeral process of my friend.
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Todderson
Can. Can I frame this this way. Do you, do you think a lot of the attendees to Mel Gibson's upcoming two part resurrection movie is going to just utterly make people Christians heads explode because it, this is the harrowing of hell and he's going to feature that. Do a lot of Christians, undeniable Christians, you know, good hearted Christians have no. Is she not alone? Is basically my question.
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Steve Dace
She would definitely not be alone. Yeah. And it, it goes to, and it's no fault of your own at all. It goes to what I have what I have consistently criticized the evangelical but the broader Protestant church for in this last era.
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Todderson
Oh, I think this is going to happen to Catholics too.
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Steve Dace
Okay. Which is the complete jettisoning and abandoning of tradition altogether. Now you're welcome to disagree with this because it, the Bible doesn't specifically say, as far as I know, that Jesus descended into hell. Doesn't say that he didn't either. Okay. So the argument against it biblically is that, well, how do I put this so that doesn't become a 45 minute conversation. In Psalms and it's quoted later in Acts. You will not abandon my soul to Hades or the, or the realm of the dead or to hell. Okay, is David writing that just about himself or is that a messianic, is that a messianic prophetic psalm like several of David's were? Okay, I, I, you're going to bring up first Peter. This is where this is very debated. Okay. And I'll let you go, Aaron, I promise. All right. First Peter being put to death in the flesh, but made alive in the spirit in which he went and proclaimed to the spirits in prison because they formally did not obey when God's patience waited in the days of Noah. Is that where, what prison would those spirits be in? Right. What prison would those spirits be in? Would they be in Abraham's bosom?
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Todderson
Right.
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Steve Dace
Which is a Jewish tradition. Would they be in shield, which is out of the Old Testament and also has a lot of Jewish traditional teaching to it, Rabbinical tradition to it. Is it the literal hell? Okay, that's, that's one when I'm saying it doesn't say that he did this. It also doesn't say that he did not. Okay, so this is very debated. The, the Apostles Creed is. How early is the apostles Creed? Like 2nd century? Pretty early.
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Todderson
Yeah.
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Steve Dace
Okay. So we're talking pre, much of the modern understanding of the canon. Okay. And so when before the Bible was the, the canon or the, the books of the Bible that everybody accepts are authentic and should be included in the, in the Scriptures before that was formalized. Right. You hear Paul say in his New Testament as he's, he's canon, he is terraforming the New Testament as we speak. And he'll often say this is a trusty saying. Now he'll say that a few times in his letters. Right. Well, that's another way of describing some kind of a creed. Memorization. Right. The written word was still rare in terms of its instant availability. We're pre printing press and all that kind of stuff by a thousand plus years. And so oral tradition was a big part of passing things on and remembering things in the ancient world, even at the time of Christ and the Church fathers. So this is a trusty saying, is often a reference to something that they would have, we would call the Creed today, something that the followers could remember to hold on to orthodoxy and teaching. Right. And among the most prominent of them in the entire history of the Church is the Apostles Creed. So most, most people hold, I don't know, a group of Protestants that do not hold the Apostles Creed sacred. I'm not sure that exists. They may say, since we're sola scriptur and that's not in the Bible, that's not something that we liturgically acknowledge. Okay. You know, but yeah, I'm trying to avoid this becoming a 45 minute rabbit hole. Aaron, go ahead.
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Aaron McIntyre
I've just heard it explained quite simply that this was more of an idiomatic saying of the time descended into hell, or sheol I think is maybe the word that's used that they're invoking there. And that just means fully dead, not in a coma. He was in the realm of the dead. Now does that mean that. That doesn't really necessarily answer the fullness of the question here, but I've heard it quite simply explained. This just means he was fully dead and buried. And that was an idiomatic of the time or an idiom of the time.
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Steve Dace
That's a yes. And of course idioms can be hotly debated because a lot of that is based on understanding of local custom. Right. Ephesians. I knew there was one. I was forgetting Ephesians, so I just looked it up while you were talking. Ephesians 4, 9 says Jesus also descended into the lower parts of the earth. Paul is like, is writing that. Okay, so what does that mean again? Are we talking the shield? We're talking Abraham's bosom. Are we talking hell? Are we just talking about him dying? All right. And you know, and being buried? Is that what that means? So this is this is a, this is, this is a debate. It's a question that's debated, but it frankly isn't any kind of a salvation issue. My own, My own personal opinion is, I think it'd be pretty freaking cool if it was true, actually. All right, say, hey, on my day off, in my day off here, I'm just gonna. You saw what. You all saw what I did with the money changers above ground. Just because I've got a day off here, I'm not gonna rest. I'm actually gonna take it out on all of you. You guys thought you were. What you were doing to me there through those Roman soldiers. You thought that was a thing. Way to get a load of me. I think that would be among the coolest things in the entire history of human existence if that, if this is true. Okay, but that, there's, that's just, that's, that's. It's just. It's a debate, a doctrine, but it's. It's nothing that you should, like, walk away from a fellowship with somebody over anything of that nature.
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Todderson
And Mel Gibson agrees with you because when asked about this, he, he. He basically said the same thing, and he says, quote. So I'm going to take a crack at it. I mean, I, I think people are gonna walk out of those movies not remotely expecting what they're about to see. And I think a lot of people afterwards are going to be having conversations like the ones you just. You just got a head start on it, I think.
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Aaron McIntyre
All right, next we go to this from Diana Whitfield. According to Revelation 19:8, Is the bride of Christ on earth, contributing to the beauty of her eternal robe by her righteous deeds. For example, faithfulness, obedience, holiness, and love for Jesus. Will there be differing radiance among the saints?
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Steve Dace
Well, let me call this up so we can cite the exact verse here, Revelation 19:8. Actually, I want it in the ESV, not the Wimpy nip. All right, here we go. It was granted to her to clothe herself with fine linen, bright and pure, for the fine linen is the righteous deed of the saints. All right, so that's righteous. That's Revelation 19:8. Okay, now, are we looking at this as a preterist piece of scripture? Are we looking at this in terms of a futuristic one, as a historical one? We're seeing a snapshot of what heaven looks like. Right. So that all matters into how you would like to answer this question as well. I'm going to answer this question in a way, though you may not anticipate all right, so your question specifically is, will there be different radiances among the believers or among the saints? A different level of radiance among the saints. Meaning will some shine. Another term for radiance. Will some shine brighter than others? If, if that is the proper interpretation of that, you will not, on the other side of eternity in heaven, feel about that or react to that as you would here. There is no commandment against coveting in heaven. Why? Because there's no coveting, there's no sin there. We're in glorified bodies that, that were. And so when you look at things like this or Paul's teaching that those that, that did certain kinds of service or groups of faith or certain kinds of faithfulness get a greater crown or a different crown than other. Just your typical run of the mill believer does the, the sort of egalitarian like, well, that's not fair, that you're going to feel in your flesh will not exist there. Like when, when Jesus says, in my house are many in, in my Father's house there are many rooms. Now he's referencing Jewish marriage custom when he says this, right, so there'd be an engagement. The groom goes away. He's got to prepare a home now for the new bride. His bride and family before the Father will then let the wedding date be set. So that's what he means. I'm going now to prepare a place for you. But let's say, let's say Paul, just for the sake of this argument, let's say Paul has like Trump Tower and you've got a nice house in the suburbs. You're not going to go to heaven and think, well, that's not fair because you're not going to care what fair is. So I would urge you not to read verses like this. And, and look at the economy of heaven operating as you are accustomed to, human economies operating because all creation here groans with sin. And as the song says, I'm never going to know how much it costs to see my sin up on that cross. It won't be until we get there that we'll have any idea and even an inkling of an idea of how much sin corrupted everything here. And so the idea that you would applaud a fellow believer shining brighter than you because they made a greater sacrifice than you, or having a bigger mansion in, in eternity than you, or a different crown than you, you will not think about that the way that you think about that here, because you're not going to be in your sinful body anymore. And so I would not impose the natural sinful urges that we are commanded to confront and to crucify in our flesh along with the Holy Spirit. I would not. Do your best to not read such things through that prism, because you're going to be in a completely different prism when you're in heaven. Is what I'm saying making sense?
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Todderson
Yeah.
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Steve Dace
And so the. The. The things you won't be tempted to commit adultery. There's no marriage, there's no wedding in heaven. You're the bride of Christ. You're already married. It's just the things that. That because of sin you are tempted by will be out of sight, out of mind when you are in heaven. And so do not look at things as, you know, through a human lens of fairness and equality. There's. Those are things that are. Don't even exist in heaven because they're totally and completely unnecessary. All right, before we get to the next question, I want to remind you about our friends over at Jace Medical. And what I love about Jace is that they came on board right when they were needed the most. Right when they were attempting to say, no, no, no, no, no, no, you can't have this hydroxychloroquine or ivermectin, but you can have this black boxed, failed cancer drug that might give you kidney failure and do nothing to stop Covid. You can have that instead of. And. And then that. That'll get you ready for the poisonous, toxic genetic serums we're about to give you. And so they've only grown. And you guys have been a big, big part in that. With the relationship they've had with us here at the Blaze. They've only grown the last few years. They are now have a great menu, an expanded menu of all kinds of medications and first aid preparedness so that you're ready for it. That could never happen here. When it happens here again and again and again, you're ready for it. All right. And now you can often customize it to your individual needs, like, you know, blood pressure meds, diabetes treatments and diabetes treatments and more. And yes, you can also include the aforementioned ivermectin too. All right, so get started today. Whatever you want to do. Check out their menu when you go to jace.com j a s e and when you get to the counter there. And when you go to check out online, use the discount code DACE for a discount.
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Chip Roy
All right.
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Steve Dace
Use the code DACE for a discount when you go to jace.com code D E A C E. Any thoughts on we'll wait till next segment to get to another question. Any thoughts on how I chose to answer that?
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Aaron McIntyre
I think that's wonderful because it reframes the question. You think you're asking one question, but you're really asking another one. And just as the east cannot be west, up cannot be down, it's not a matter of just coming up with a great analogy for what heaven will be like. It's not a matter of, hey, I just need to think of this in different ways, put different orders of words together. It is impossible because of our fallen sinful state. So I think you did a great, a great job.
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Steve Dace
I appreciate it. Thank you. We'll come back. There's still plenty of time for me to screw up, though, and more questions that will try to get me to do that. All right. When we return, stay tuned.
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Chip Roy
The steve day show.
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Steve Dace
So one of my all time favorite stories, and it's a book that I read for many, many years, once a year, is a George Orwell's Animal Farm. And I've quoted from it numerous times. And I am greatly looking forward to the animated version coming out from Angel Studios precisely because of the controversy about it. It's been interesting. I've, I've got people whose opinions I respect saying that this is a complete bastardization of it. I've got people I respect who are saying that's way overblown and it's not. People may not realize George Orwell was a political liberal, by the way, he was not a right winger. He was just very, very concerned about, well, you know, what Orwell and Bill Maher I think would be a good modern day comparison. All right. That Orwell was very, very concerned. 1984 was kind of his concern about where he thought the right in the military industrial complex could go in the future. And Animal Farm was kind of his concern of where he thought the guy's wearing his own liberal democracy post World War II uniform may go in the future. Okay. He would have loved the who in a way.
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Todderson
Meet the new boss.
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Steve Dace
Yeah. Same as the old boss. You know, the parting on the left is now the parting on the right. And the beards have all grown longer overnight. And we know that the hypnotized never lie. You, you know, you're right. You know, I love those songs too. Yes. So, so Animal. Listen, Angel Studios last year had an incredible year. Had an incredible year. I think I put three Angel Studios movies in my final top 10, my favorite films of 2026 or 2025. So their credibility is pretty high with me. And I'm, and I'm interested in seeing it. And they're saying it's anti communism, anti cronyism, despite what you're hearing from people. So it comes out on May 1st. I'm anxious to go see this. They sent me a screener on purpose. I've not watched it because I want to see it in the theater, on the big screen. All right. Tickets are available now@angel.com animal farm that's angel.com animal farm recommended for ages 11 and up. All right, that's angel.com animal farm this is more than just a retelling. It's kind of an immersive cinematic story that's going to entertain families while sparking some meaningful conversations about power, corruption and freedom. Again, that's Angel.com Animal Farm recommended for ages 11 and up. All right, Aaron, we've got some more. Let's ask me anything.
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Aaron McIntyre
All right, let's continue on. We'll go to Protestants, who wants to know, Sometimes you send mixed signals on where you stand. So I'll ask, do you believe in dispensational premillennialism or any form of dispensationalism in general?
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Steve Dace
You know why I send mixed signals? Because I have mixed opinions. That's why. All right, so Monday, I've been threatening, I'm sorry, promising, depending on your perspective, to do this for a while now. All right. I've done so many shows over the years questioning the, the dispensational premillennial orthodoxy within evangelicalism that now this has become such a buzzword and gone so far the other way that I feel like we should give them a chance to defend themselves. So Monday, you're gonna get a special edition a week from today with one of the more respected dispensational theologians in the country. And he's going to join us for the entire program on Monday, April 20, and do his best to defend the integrity of dispensationalism as a rightly divided hermeneutic of the word of God. Okay, but I, I made, I made a grave error. Well, I've made several. But one of the grave errors that I've made is I read all the other theories out there. I read, I read stuff on it and studied it as much as I could. And as if that wasn't a big enough mistake, I then tried to go and find out what all these various hermeneutics said about one another. And I found all of their arguments simultaneously compelling. So it's not like me not to take a strong position on something. But it is like me, if I'm not sure, to not take a strong position on something doesn't mean every time I'm sure I'm right. But if I'm sure I'm right, that I will take a strong position on it. So the reason why you are accurately receiving mixed signals from me is because I have, I have mixed opinions. The one thing that I, I greatly resent is this is what Tucker said recently, and this is why I went after it. About post World War II Christianity. The pre millennial dispensational view may not be right. It may not be right, but without those who believed in it, inspired by Billy Graham and his crusades and then the surge that we saw in evangelicalism post Billy Graham and the predominance of ministries like D. James Kennedy on the reform side, who was not a pre millennial dispensationalist, obviously he was reformed. But a Jerry Falwell senior who was a Pat Robertson, who was. I know there's the Pat Robertson that we all unfortunately saw the last few years of his life, which was a classic example of someone hanging on too long. Can I get an amen on that?
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Chip Roy
Okay.
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Steve Dace
But that wasn't the, that wasn't who Pat Robertson was, you know, for 30 years prior to that moment. Francis Schaefer and others without, without them, we're already the uk. You may not like their theology. It may not be the right eschatology, but those voters are the, are the primary reason there was ever a President Reagan and Trump in the first place. They're the, they're the primary voting reason why we're not the UK right now. And the Romney types just didn't own the Republican Party forever. So I really resent blaming our problems on them when they've been the folks that have been the most consistently trying to stand up and address our problems. That's totally and completely wrong. But I should expect nothing worse or less from a guy who spent last year trying to retcon Hitler and now is telling us that Hezbollah are the guardians of Christianity. So I mean, this is literal demonic inversion of literally everything. But, but whether I, whether they're right or not, I don't know because I've just studied too much of it. And so I kind of just know enough of everybody's arguments and what they think of everybody else's arguments to be dangerous. And I'm tired, boss. I don't know. I don't know. And that's why you're getting mixed signals Because I don't know.
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Aaron McIntyre
Can I call an audible here? You've said ever since I can remember, kind of the later years when you were on who here in Iowa,
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Todderson
you
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Aaron McIntyre
will receive feedback from listeners and you continue to this day asking you, are you this or are you that? The labels. And you always resist that because you don't want to be pigeonholed into a particular camp because then we just get into tribalism. There's other reasons, other sundry reasons. Are you getting more of this feedback as time goes on or less or about the same?
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Steve Dace
You mean in terms of label questioning? Yes, way more.
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Aaron McIntyre
That's what I thought.
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Steve Dace
And it's only in one direction.
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Chip Roy
Yep.
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Steve Dace
No one's emailing me. Hey, are you a covenantal person? No one's doing that. Hey, I know you like Augustine. Are you for that scam called Amillennial? No one's doing that. No one's doing that. That's how you know this is just largely just not organic. It's. It's just. I get called a boomer dispensationalist online dozens of times every single day. When Tucker Carlson was still wearing bow ties and doing shows with Rachel Maddow on msnbc, I was doing shows questioning the rightness of premillennial dispensationalism. In fact. In fact, the first time I ever heard of Voddie Bauckham is some of the shows I was doing questioning this stuff here in the first in the Nation caucus. State got back to him and he sent me a personal note. Hey, keep doing that. Really appreciate it. We need more of that. So I'm now getting accused of being the very things that I've actually spent a good deal of my career questioning and, and cross examining. That's how you know this is not organic. Doesn't mean it's all fake. Some of it is very real and justified anger of young men who have not actually been taught what many of these things mean. And so they're just kind of glomming on to buzzwords because they don't want to inherit the mess they're being asked to inherit. And I don't blame them for that at all. Like the term woke, right? What did that come to mean? You'll rarely see me use it. I think we finally decided woke right means blame the Jews for everything. Like woke left means blame racism. Is that what we kind of decided?
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Todderson
I think so, but I forgot that
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Steve Dace
too, because the term just became a whole catch all for. Well, if you want to practice a level of activism that's more aggressive than what I'm comfortable with or what, you know, we did for the last generation, then you're woke, right? If you think we ought to actually use power and wield it if we're going to have it in the first place here, then you're woke. What is that? If you're willing to be any. Not willing to be anything of the low t. Impotent, you're woke, right? Well, okay, on a given day, I get called woke. Right. And Zionist cook the same day, every day, all the time. And I had a guy say to me yesterday, I, you know, I listen to your show every day. It seems like you're trying to thread a lot of needles. And I wrote him back, I said, you know what? Another, another way to describe the threading of needles would be a narrow road. A narrow road?
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Chip Roy
Yeah.
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Steve Dace
I mean, I'm broadcasting from a narrow road. My show is a threading of needles. I'm trying to take the most offensive message that human humanity's ever heard and, and, and gain popularity and notoriety with it so we can sell enough ads to be profitable. You bet you. I'm trying to thread some needles.
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Todderson
Yeah, first time.
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Steve Dace
Exactly. My editor's a Catholic. I'm trying to thread some needles here. Okay. Yeah, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm on a, I'm on a platform started by a Mormon. Yeah, I'm trying to thread some needles. You know, that's what a narrow road is. It's the threading of a needle. You know, you're especially. That's what the biblical worldview commands us to do when given false choices is to, Is to find a narrow road and so, and stay on it as long as we can all the way to the end of the race. And that's honestly all I'm trying to do, best I can.
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Aaron McIntyre
Next. I skipped this one on accident. This is from America First. Serious questions. What makes you America first or MAGA when you were never Trump in 2016? And how are Tucker, Alex Jones, Joe Kent, Marjorie Taylor Greene any different? Who have all been more loyal and for longer? So how can you of all people criticize along with your supporting cast of Mark Levin, Ben Shapiro, Lindsey Graham Fellow 2016 Never Trumpers.
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Steve Dace
See this? Can you leave that up, Aaron, while I'm answering so I can respond to the. And this is a great. The fact that you took this out of order is perfect because this is a great embodiment of what I was just attempting to describe. All right. So long before anybody knew what A Joe Kent or Marjorie Taylor Greene was all right. And again, when Tucker was doing, you know, libertarian bow tied commentary with Rachel Maddow, Donald Trump chased me for two years trying to get me on his campaign team. Donald Trump's Iowa campaign team were people I recommended to him personally to hire. So I actually predate all these people. So this is the problem with, with labeling. When we need nuance. It is absolutely true. I do not hide any of this. I, I don't know if you guys notice. I'm not getting invited on the, the, the, the. Have I been invited to Mar a Lago and I'm just not aware of it. Did I, did I go down there for some kind of event?
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Todderson
I mean, I have not heard.
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Steve Dace
Have I done a photo op with, with the president at his request? I mean, they, I did get invited to the White House last year. They invited me when he wasn't going to be there. True story. And then we had to keep it secret until we got there because we knew there were numerous names of people inside the White House that if they knew we were there, would nuke it right away. Are these things not all true?
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Todderson
They're true.
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Steve Dace
They're true. So this is the reality, again, of nuance. Your credit, your questions actually, because of nuance is not unfair. It's a perfectly fair question to answer. You're trying to come up with a nuance. I respect that. I would counter with a nuance. You may not like that, but, I mean, what is Marjorie Taylor Greene doing for America first right now? What was America first about the view going on enemy media to betray us? What was, what was America first about that? Hey, if you want to hold, they want to hold against me. It is a part of my record. You want to hold against me forever, that I not only didn't take, didn't return two years of Trump overtures, but then opposed him all the way to the convention until the end. You want to use that against me? That is my record. I won't stop you from doing it. That's my record. Go ahead. I mean, I was a big boy. I made those decisions. I made another decision to go against Trump in the last primary. I know the cost of going after a king. Do I sit here and whine about that? You know, about the decisions we made and the consequences of those decisions. Do we just do that all the time here?
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Todderson
No, no.
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Steve Dace
We're big boys. We know. We know. I don't hold any of that against you at all. You want to hold that stuff against me? You Think those other people are America first more than me. You should listen to them more than me and align with them more than me. I'm not here to convince you otherwise. I am here to convince you that they're America first, though. I'm here to convince you otherwise. Of that. Tucker Carlson is Cutter first, Islam first. Tucker Carlson hasn't involved himself in a domestic issue that matters to us in at least two years. Hasn't done a single show or made a single post about the SAVE act, which is pretty much every Republican's number one legislative priority at the moment. Not a single one. All he wants to talk about is Israel in the Middle east, whether there's a war going on there or not. That's all he wants to do. Now, if you think that's America First, I kind of think it's Israel first or Israel obsessed. But you know what? We're in very confusing times. I'm in a moment right now where Laura Loomer was accusing me of being a corrupt, of taking bribes from Ron DeSantis to oppose Trump. Bribes Ron DeSantis could not afford, frankly. That's why we got killed, among other reasons. All right. At the same time, now I've got friends of mine sending her post saying she sounds like you. Okay. You know, I mean, politics makes for strange bedfellows. You know, this is, this is why I don't get into the labeling. If I decided whether something was right or wrong all the time based on whether Laura Loomer was for it, I'd make her my God. If I decided something was right or wrong all the time based on whether Lindsey Graham was for it, that would make him my God. Same. If I did the same thing with Tucker, Marjorie Taylor Greene, or any human being. The proper term for that, the red, the glass stained window term for that is idolatry. When you put a human in the place of determining for you what is right and wrong, you have made that person your God and you're an idolater. So right now I tend to agree with Mark Levin and Ben Shapiro more than I do Tucker. During COVID though, just a few years ago, was that the case? No, I agree with him pretty much across the board and them all the time or them none of the time. What changed? To me, Nothing. I was applying the as best as I could, the same narrow road biblical worldview in both cases. So I'm totally comfortable with the fact that that means my alliances are going to shift. Did Jesus's alliance alliances shift at all? Early church see any shifting alliances at all based on trying to apply the narrow road of a biblical worldview. Any alliances shift? I mean, after all, I mean, most of the New Testament is written by a Jew who encouraged the stoning of the first Christian martyr, and now he's going out as the Christian ambassador to the gentiles. Things kind of shifted a little bit, didn't they? A bit. They bit. They do now. The word remains the same, but where people align on it, that can shift. Right. So my friends and alliances come and go. Come and go right now. People who hated me a couple years ago love me. People who love me a couple years ago hate me. We'll just do this all over again. As long as this mic is on and I'm behind it. And it'll just be a different group of people switching sides again. How many times have you guys played this one out with me in the last 10 years?
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Todderson
You've been here a couple of times.
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Steve Dace
A couple of times. And you're gonna play it out a couple more?
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Todderson
Yeah.
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Steve Dace
That's just the reality of life on the narrow road. So it's a very tough question. Fair question. Don't blame me for it at all. And you may even be right. This is the nuance of the world that we are in. All right, gentlemen, final words. We'll get to the rest of them in overtime today. Got about a minute left. Thoughts?
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Todderson
Like I said, there are quite a few people who thought this was their gotcha day. And this last hour was exactly what I would hoped it would be. So many different questions answered with so much depth, so much humility, so much candor. Folks, there's. There's nobody doing this. An hour like this in all of conservative media, you were just treated to something special. And agree or disagree, you need to reconcile with that, just like you need to reconcile with anything else.
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Steve Dace
That's very kind.
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Todderson
Thank you.
- [95:45]
Steve Dace
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