On Iran: What's Our OUT? | Guest: Ryan Walters | 4/9/26

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Steve Deace Show | On Iran: What's Our OUT?

Date: April 9, 2026
Host: Steve Deace (Philadelphia)
Panelists: Todd Erzin, Aaron McIntyre (Des Moines)
Guest: Ryan Walters

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Episode Overview

This episode of the Steve Deace Show pivots around America's entanglement with Iran, public confusion on the war's objectives and endpoints, and the recent rise of anti-Semitic rhetoric in conservative circles. The core theme explores not just current events, but deeper spiritual and cultural sifting underway among both conservatives and Christians—a "mind virus" Steve argues is intentionally dividing the right. Steve is joined by education reformer Ryan Walters to discuss fighting teachers' unions, and the roundtable further unpacks messaging, leadership, and moral clarity in turbulent times. The episode is heavy on Christian theology, historical parallels, and sober reflection on America's national and spiritual condition.

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Opening Reflections: Spiritual Undercurrent Amid Division

[00:00–08:36]

Key Points:

• Steve reports from Philadelphia after speaking at TPUSA Faith's "Make Heaven Crowded" event, emphasizing an undercurrent of spiritual hunger in the country.
• Gospel Framework: Steve outlines the four foundational Gospel points—sin, repentance, redemption through Christ alone, and regeneration–saying these truths are drawing sold-out crowds despite increasing “literal demoniac invasion” and division.
• Encouragement to Listeners: He frames this spiritual revival as something the “enemy is afraid of,” and argues that current discord is evidence of effective spiritual warfare (“the sifting that is taking place”).
• Quote:
  “The amount of people that are interested in that message...they’re all packed, they’re all sold out. And this is one of the major reasons that we’re seeing literal demoniac invasion on our side right now. Because the enemy is afraid.” —Steve [03:42]
• Todd and Aaron respond with affirmations and personal echoes of recent moving faith experiences, reinforcing a message of hope amid discouraging cultural signs.

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Aaron's News Rundown: War, Political Drift, & Cultural Absurdity

[09:20–16:04]

Segments & Timestamps:

• [09:20] Iran War & Ceasefire Confusion:
  • The US-Iran ceasefire remains shaky; Iran wants Israel’s Lebanon operations stopped.
  • Trump’s blustery Truth Social post: Vows overwhelming force, but US remains on cautious standby.
  • J.D. Vance’s clarity: There are multiple “10-point” Iranian proposals, with media muddying the waters by picking up random versions.
  • Notable quote:
    “I’ve seen various organs, the New York Times, CNN, others pick up and run the original 10 point proposal based on little more than a random yahoo in Iran...then them saying that somehow represents the negotiating position of the government.” —J.D. Vance [11:00]
• [12:09] Domestic Crime & Security:
  • Updates on high-profile criminal cases and national security leaks.
• [13:45] GOP Policy Drift:
  • Mike Johnson may let the Planned Parenthood funding ban lapse.
• [14:18] Hacking & Propaganda:
  • Humorous segment highlighting US firms vetting for North Korean infiltration.
• [15:07] Woke Culture:
  • Mockery of growing, convoluted inclusivity acronyms in Canadian political discourse.

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Iran: “What’s Our OUT?” – Leadership & Messaging Crisis

[17:49–26:46]

Key Discussion Notes:

• Steve lambastes America’s current inability to deliver clear, unifying leadership—especially regarding Iran.
  • He says most people (even on the right) have no idea “what’s the out” in Iran; even Trump voters could not articulate an endpoint for the war.
  • The disconnect is seen as both a messaging and existential crisis.
  • Quote:
    “Us not knowing what the out is doesn’t mean that we are saying the people running the show don’t know what the out is. That’s a separate question...But I promise you, if I just went out on the streets...and I asked them, ‘What’s the out here?’ How many of them...could give me a definitive answer in two minutes or less?” —Steve [26:45]

Leadership Model Highlighted:

• J.D. Vance praised as a communicator: “Our best messenger since Reagan” [19:00], able to clarify murky situations in plain language and inspire confidence.
  • Steve argues that messaging is the main power a president now wields (“the power of the bully pulpit”).
  • Criticizes Trump’s often “erratic” communication during crises for sowing unease rather than assurance.

Roundtable Consensus:

• Unclear “out” from Iran war: None of the panelists can articulate an exit strategy; America is not united enough to confront Iran as Israel is.
• Israel vs. US Resolve: Contrasts Israel’s generational unity behind its government post-October 7 vs. America’s infighting—even within its own parties.

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Interview: Ryan Walters – Countering the Teacher Unions

[31:42–46:14]

Ryan Walters’ Mission:

• Recently left Oklahoma Superintendent post to lead Teacher Freedom Alliance, organizing over 14,000 teachers nationwide.
• The group acts as an alternative “professional association” to the major teachers’ unions, providing liability protections, training, and community without union ideology.

Key Quotes:

• “We can actually get education back...I feel like there’s a ticking clock here. If public schools continue to be captured by the unions, by the left, good people are never going to be a teacher.” —Ryan Walters [33:25]
• “We provide liability protection for teachers...we’re already certified in 49 states...You don’t have to join the union for these protections.” [36:14]

Importance:

• Steve draws the connection: Real education reform requires not just “great curriculum” but boots on the ground—teachers who have protection and community, emboldened to resist woke agendas.
• Emphasizes building coalitions between conservative parents and teachers, especially in blue states where the need is greatest.

Panel Reaction:

• Key takeaway: Grassroots school takeover is a feasible, non-negotiable strategy to rescue the country—"Five families showing up can turn a school district around.” [47:18]

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Theology Thursday: “Dialogue with Trypho”—Truth, Heresy, Israel, and the Current ‘Mind Virus’

[49:02–77:57]

Context Setting:

• Steve teaches on Justin Martyr’s “Dialogue with Trypho” as a model for current debates: navigating between rejecting the Old Testament (Marcionism) and denying Jesus as Messiah.
  • Analogy: Just as Martyr rebuked both extremes, Christians today face the need to reject both anti-Christian scapegoating (anti-Semitism) and heretical distortions of the faith.

Key Cultural & Spiritual Analysis:

• Rising Anti-Semitism on the Right:

  • Steve decries the sudden online surge of anti-Jewish scapegoating— “the oldest scapegoat ploy in all history”—as supernatural, not organic.
    • Examples: Cites Candace Owens, Benny Johnson, and Tucker Carlson as spreading or incentivizing these narratives.
    • Stresses the “Jewish scapegoat” narrative is a narrative in search of facts rather than honest inquiry.
    • Memorable quote:
      “No one that ever goes down the rabbit hole of Jewish scapegoating ever comes back a better person for it. Nobody does.” [71:45]

• Why Real Conversation is Difficult Now:

  • Sober, nuanced discussions about Iran are being “drowned out” by a “mind virus” that hijacks legitimate criticism and steers it toward bigotry and unreality.

• Personal Reservations About the Iran War:

  • Steve reiterates he was never on board with the war (“What’s the out?”), but says he cannot ally with the current opposition because it’s mostly animated by “dark, sinister, godless” aims rather than rational critique.

Panel Reflections:

• True discernment is seeking truth, not clinging to “narrative” or lies. Spiritual warning: “You’re either pursuing the truth, or you’re pursuing narrative or lies.” —Aaron [76:02]

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Dialoguing with Trypho (aka Tom Woods) – Addressing Critiques

[78:09–94:32]

Structure:

Steve uses the “dialogue” framework to address libertarian Tom Woods’s public critiques. Each is read out and answered in order.

Main Exchanges:

1. On Trump’s Profanity vs. Tucker Carlson’s Blasphemy [80:01]:

   • Tom: Accuses Steve of hypocrisy—rebuking Tucker for theology, but not Trump for bad language.
   • Steve:
     • Points out Trump publicly shared the Gospel from the White House (!!) on Good Friday—when has Tucker done likewise?
     • Distinguishes that he holds Tucker (who claims to teach Christianity) to a higher standard than Trump (who does not).

2. On Trump’s Rhetoric about “Destroying Persia” [83:33]:

   • Tom: Trump’s wild rhetoric is as dangerous as anything Tucker says.
   • Steve: No one takes Trump’s hyperbole at face value—he’s not trying to “redefine Christianity” as Tucker is.
     • Emphasizes: “My priority is always the gospel, not public policy. Public policy is an extension of the gospel.” [85:42]

3. On Seven Seconds of Tucker’s Monologue [86:08]:

   • Tom: It’s unfair to judge a whole argument by a short offensive soundbite.
   • Steve: It only takes one moment to discredit many minutes of virtue—just as a single heinous claim would cancel any compliments.

4. On Multipolar World (China et al.) [89:11]:

   • Tom: “Every reasonable person” recognizes the limits of US power; should share power with China/Russia/Iran.
   • Steve/Todd/Aaron: Flat-out reject the premise; China’s values are incompatible with US liberty—the evidence of bad faith (IP theft, COVID, etc.) shows the folly of appeasement or “sharing power.”
     • Todd warns against the intellectual vanity of “being too smart by half.”

5. On Neocon vs. Buchanan Foreign Policy [93:57]:

   • Steve: “I don’t have a narrative. My world is not as simple as Mark Levin vs. Pat Buchanan,” calling for scriptural discernment over tribal allegiance.

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Notable Quotes

• “I think that he [J.D. Vance] is the best communicator I’ve seen on our side since Reagan. And ... our best chance to save the next generation of young men before they go off the cliff into the abyss of nihilism.” —Steve [19:05]
• “We cannot do another era of ‘trust the plan’… We need someone who stands up and communicates that there is a plan and it’s being activated.” —Steve [21:32]
• “No one that ever goes down the rabbit hole of Jewish scapegoating ever comes back a better person for it. Nobody does.” —Steve [71:45]
• “We are trying to pursue truth with the caveat that all of us are fallen and we’re not going to do it perfectly at the end of the day.” —Aaron [77:11]
• “My priority is always the gospel, not public policy. Public policy to me is an extension of the gospel.” —Steve [85:42]

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Important Timestamps

• [03:42] — Spiritual overview of the gospel and the current revival
• [09:20] — Iran ceasefire details and J.D. Vance’s media critique
• [19:00] — Why J.D. Vance’s communication matters for the right
• [23:50] — The panel debates “what’s the out” in Iran; no answers
• [33:25] — Ryan Walters on fighting the teachers’ unions
• [41:31] — Linking parents & teachers for local school reclamation
• [53:18] — Justin Martyr, "Dialogue with Trypho," and theological underpinnings
• [71:45] — Steve’s rebuke of rightwing anti-Semitism as a “mind virus”
• [80:01ff] — Steve-Tom Woods dialogue: clarifying principles on Trump, Tucker, war, and American power

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Summary Table

| Segment | Theme/Discussion | Timestamp | |---------------------------|--------------------------------------------------------------------|------------| | Spiritual Opening | Gospel, hope, culture war, revival | 00:00–08:36| | News Montage | Iran war, domestic instability, culture absurdities | 09:20–16:04| | Iran War “OUT” | Leadership, confusion, messaging crisis | 17:49–26:46| | Ryan Walters Interview | Teachers’ unions, grassroots reform, practical activism | 31:42–46:14| | Roundtable Reaction | How few parents can flip a district; actionable localism | 46:19–47:49| | Theology Thursday | Truth/narrative distinction, anti-Semitism’s danger, Justin Martyr | 49:02–77:57| | Trypho (Tom Woods) Dialog | Addressing libertarian critiques, prudence, gospel first | 78:09–94:32|

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Tone & Takeaways

• The tone is earnest, sometimes “snarky,” but ultimately grave and theologically serious. Steve weaves scripture, American history, and cultural analysis to call for realignment on both spiritual and civic fronts.
• The episode is less about offering policy answers to Iran and more about the larger crises of leadership, unity, and discernment plaguing both America and the right.
• The dialogue with Tom Woods models real-time debate and exemplifies Steve’s commitment to pursuing truth over tribal loyalty or narratives.

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For listeners, this episode delivers a robust blend of Christian worldview, urgent current affairs analysis, and “inside baseball” on the conservative movement’s present perils and possibilities.

Transcript

[A]

One up.

[B]

Okay. And greetings. Happy Thursday. Welcome to the Steve D. Show. I am Steve Dace. I am here in downtown Philadelphia, the city of brotherly love. And Todd erzin and Aaron McIntyre are back there in our posh suburban Des Moines studios. Good to see those gentlemen. I'll be reconnecting with them tomorrow for Friday's program. But before we get started on what we have lined up for you today, I just wanted to just make a quick point. I got a chance to speak at last night's Turning Point USA Faith Make Heaven Crowded event here in suburban Philly. And I know, and we're going to get into a lot of this, frankly, today, particularly in Theology Thursday. I know that there is a lot of debate, discourse, division, that is happening right now on the right, that is happening right now with elements within the Christian right that are attempting to essentially install a mind virus and turn us all into Muslim simps. But I want you guys to know, I want everybody within the sound of my voice and Todd and Aaron, I want you two to know that one of the reasons I'm convinced that this is happening is because of what is occurring under the surface. Because what I saw under the surface last night is I saw a packed house. I saw a packed house of people that wanted to hear the gospel, that came to hear about. What is the gospel? Sin. We're sinners. There's just. We're born into sin. There is something wrong with us. We are fallen. Our brains are busted. We desire things we know are bad for us, and yet we can't say no to them. At the same time, repentance. That we. We know we need forgiveness. We. We know that there is a chasm between us and God, which is why every human civilization has had some form of religion in order to try to figure out how to close. Close that gap between us and the divine. But then third, that's redemption. And the only atonement that closes that chasm, the only. The only sacrifice that satisfies the wrath of God is that of his son, Christ Jesus on the cross. God incarnate. God with us, Emmanuel. Which is why we sing that song, O Come, oh Come, Emmanuel, every single Christmas. God with us is what that means. That God came to us when we could not get to God, God came to us. He took initiative and came to us. And that's how we seek redemption. That there is no other name under heaven by which men can be saved other than the name of Christ. He is the way, the truth, and the life. And no one comes to The Father, except by him. And then fourth, once that redemption has been accessed, now we achieve regeneration. There is the ongoing work of the spirit of God in our hearts, in our lives, in order to make us more Christlike, in order to bring us back to the state we were originally created in, to be who we were as a species before we fell in the garden and before our brains were busted. And though sin came into the world through one man, salvation came all the more through another. The God man. And the amount of people that are interested in that message, all these events, these Make Heaven Crowded event tours that TPUSA Faith is doing all over the country, they're all packed, they're all sold out. And this is one of the major reasons that we're seeing literal demoniac invasion on our side right now. Because the enemy is afraid. Because the seeds of the revival we saw after Charlie's murder and his memorial, they're not as prevalent and obvious anymore with all this discourse that's going on up here. All right, And I want to congratulate you, because if you're a longtime listener to this show, you already knew what the Avignon Papacy was. You already knew, okay? And apparently now the. The rest of America is learning what the Avignon Papacy was apparently, too. All right. All this is happening because underneath the surface, there is still a great yearning for the word of God and the atonement of Christ. And I saw that with my own eyes last night, and I wanted to just share that with you, that encouraging word with you. That does not mean these are not dark days, difficult days, and they're probably going to get darker and more difficult, especially if what I just told you is true. The Enemy's not just going to look at the rest of America and say, you know what? They got their stuff together. Let's just. We tormented them long enough. Let's go pick on Guatemala. That's not what he's going to do. In fact, he's going to try to tighten the noose even tighter. And here's the thing that might blow your mind. I, our Lord, will let him do it in his sovereignty. Because the sifting, this is the sifting that takes place. This is what Jesus says to Peter, Satan would sift you like wheat. And that is what is occurring. And the rest of this show is going to be about addressing the mind virus. But right here off of the top, I wanted to address what I see happening in the souls of people. And I saw it with my own eyes last night, and I hope that that is encouraging and it fires you up to keep fighting as it did me here this morning on the show. And we're brought to you by our friends over at Preborn. They have kept fighting as well. They were ready for the post Roe fight. They have kept fighting for the unborn and also their moms. Right. And you guys have been fighting alongside of them so generously these last few years with this partnership between us and Preborn. And you have literally helped to save tens of thousands of lives. You could save a life today for as little as $28. For $140, you might save five. All these gifts are tax deductible. It's a five star rated charity. All the money goes to the saving of babies and the moms and the starting of new families. Keep giving today. 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[C]

Amen and amen. And you know, I saw with my own eyes kind of a similar story this Sunday, as is common in a lot of churches, hopefully around the country, we had baptisms at our service and I saw a gentleman and his wife get up on stage. And just to be completely honest and brutally honest, I saw him. He's got sleeves of tattoos. He looks like he's been through it. And the testimony that he told of his life, just absolute brokenness, abuse, looking for bigger meaning, joining the military, surviving an ied, coming back, trying to take his own life, getting interested in faith after he believes God saved him from that. And then the moment he said he said this up on stage, the moment he said he knew it was time to go to church and stay going to a church. He started coming to our church the Sunday after Charlie Kirk was assassinated. And he and his wife, his wife has a similar story as well, similar upbringing to him as well, had the same thing to say. And they were both baptized on Easter morning. And so that was, I needed that because off the air and you can kind of pick it up on the air as well, I think to varying degrees. All three of us fighting the temptation to be discouraged about the circumstances that we find ourselves in. But I needed to see that with my own eyes on Easter Sunday morning. And sounds like you had a similar experience in Philly.

[B]

Amen.

[D]

Well, scripture says for if we serve Christ, we will follow him, and if we follow him, the Father will honor us. There's no conditions on that. There's all kinds of people who follow the Lord when times are easy. I don't that's not fake. I'm sure there's much gratitude in that. But that sifting that Steve is talking about, what if it gets a little harder and a little harder still? And that's the whole ball game, folks. The conditions around you are not your fate following God, no matter what the conditions are, are your fate as a Christian. And there's just a lot of the church as a whole needs to come to terms with that right now is pregnant with possibility in the name of the Lord, as long as we're not afraid.

[B]

Amen to that, too. All right. Coming up on today's show, going to get reunited with an old friend, Ryan Walters. What's he up to since he left as the superintendent of Oklahoma schools where he was making national news? And I was kind of hoping he was going to run for governor of Oklahoma. I know that he did take a serious look at it, but he's decided to pursue another opportunity that he thinks might help him have a national say in the takeover of our education system by the spirit of the age. We're going to talk to our good friend Ryan Walters about that. And then next hour for Theology Thursday, we're going to have a dialogue with Trypho. And I'm going to tell you what that means and what that's a reference to. That's coming up in the next hour for Theology Thursday. You don't want to miss that. But first, of course, you don't want to miss this. And that's Aaron's rundown of what happened while we were away.

[C]

What happened while we were away, brought to you by the thick fog of ceasefires. Despite the Pentagon's victory lap yesterday morning, it seems as if the ceasefire between the US And Iran is extremely tenuous. One of the major sticking points, it seems, for Iran is that they expected the ceasefire to include Israel's engagement against Hezbollah in Lebanon, which Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu insists is not and was never part of of the deal. Shipping through the Strait of Hormuz remained at a trickle yesterday, despite Iran's deputy foreign minister saying yesterday the strait is open for all navigation, not just tankers. They do have to coordinate with Iran's military, however. President Trump on Truth Social early this morning posted, quote, all US Ships, aircraft and military personnel with additional ammunition, weaponry and anything else that's appropriate and necessary for the lethal prosecution and destruction of an already substantially degraded enemy will remain in place and around Iran until such a time as the real agreement is reached and fully complied with. If for any reason it is not, which is highly unlikely, then the shootin starts bigger and better and stronger than anyone has ever seen before. It was agreed a long time ago and despite all the fake rhetoric to the contrary, no nuclear weapons and the Strait of Hormuz will be open and safe. In the meantime, our great military is loading up and resting, looking forward actually to its next conquest. America is back. End quote. It seems one of the new lead negotiators for the deal, or any forthcoming deals between the parties is Vice President J.D. vance, who is frustrated by all these supposed 10 point plans from Iran that media have circulated in the past couple of days.

[A]

I've seen a lot of reporting from the American Media about the 10 point proposal that the Iranians have made. Now, as I know, because I've been involved in this, there are three different 10 point proposals at least that I've seen floating around. The first 10 point proposal was something that was submitted and we think frankly was probably written by ChatGPT, that was submitted to Steve Witkoff and Jared Kushner that immediately went in the garbage and was rejected. There was a second 10 point proposal that was much more reasonable that was based on some back and forth between us, between the Pakistanis and that is the 10 point proposal that the President was referencing in his truth yesterday. And then frankly I've seen a third 10 point proposal that's even more maximalist than the first 10 point proposal that's been floating around various social media channels. Now here's what's interesting about all this is that I've seen seen various organs, the New York Times, CNN, others pick up and run the original 10 point proposal based on little more than a random yahoo in Iran submitting it to public access television in the country of Iran and then them saying that somehow represents the negotiating position of the government.

[C]

Back at home, the deranged homeless man accused of savagely butchering irina Zyrutska, a 23 year old Ukrainian refugee on a Charlotte light rail train, has been found incapable to proceed on state murder charges. According to a motion filed April 7, DeCarlos Brown Jr. Was evaluated late December at Central Regional Hospital and the subsequent report determined he was not competent to stand trial. According to wbtv, his attorney asked the court to delay his competency hearing by 180 days, which the prosecution did not immediately object to. Decarlos Brown is currently in federal custody on federal charges, which seems at this point given the developments in the North Carolina case being the only path to a convicted. Also in North Carolina, a former Fort Bragg employee with top secret clearance is accused of leaking classified military tactics to a journalist. That's according to a federal complaint. Courtney Williams, a 40 year old and army veteran assigned to the special military unit at Fort Bragg in North Carolina, was arrested by the FBI this week and charged with unlawfully transmitting national defense information, including classified tactics used in covert missions, to an investigative reporter over a period spanning several years. House Speaker Mike Johnson is reportedly entertaining the idea of letting the ban on funding for Planned Parenthood lapse. Pro life organizations are urging House and Senate leaders to renew a one year ban on Medicaid dollars for groups such as Planned Parenthood, signed into law as part of President Trump's tax bill before it expires on July 4th. But Johnson is not considering the language, according to a source cited by the Washington Examiner. Apparently Republicans have not yet begun to depress their base. A hacker has allegedly stolen a massive trove of sensitive data, including highly classified defense documents and missile schematics from a state run Chinese supercomputer in what could potentially constitute the largest known heist of data from China. One would be hacker is this North Korean man attempting to interview for a remote work job with a US IT firm. This has been a problem for some firms in recent years as the North Koreans will exploit their employee level access to critical systems on behalf of the regimental. So US IT firms have taken to pressing a new test on would be employees.

[E]

One of the tests that we do is trying to get them to say something like Kim Jong Un is a fat ugly pig. Could you, could you say that for me? Sorry, no. Kim Jong Un, you know, the leader of North Korea?

[B]

Yeah,

[D]

I.

[C]

Sorry, I just say.

[B]

I should say like that.

[E]

Yeah, yeah, if you could, because it's one test so that I know that you're not North Korean. Yeah. Can you say it?

[C]

Damn. And finally introducing a new acronym. Here is a member of Canada's Parliament, Lia Gazan.

[B]

When the budget was released, I was shocked to find out that Prime Minister Carney is cutting $7 billion between Indigenous services Canada and Crown Indigenous relations. They provided $0 to deal with the ongoing genocide of the ongoing Genocide of MMIWG2SLGBTQIA.

[C]

Plus I lied. We're not done yet.

[B]

Many people online have been mocking the MMIWG2SLGBTQIA acronym, making out that it's some kind of joke. MMIWG2S LGBTQIA was simply an upgrade from LGBTQIA in order to be more inclusive to missing people in indigenous communities. Comparing MMIWG2S LGBTQIA to a strong password or the next sequel in the Call of Duty franchise is not only grossly offensive, but deeply disrespectful to those communities who are simply asking for us to adjust our language and broaden the LGBTQIA acronym in order to include more people.

[C]

And that's what happened while we were away.

[B]

That's the kind of the last two minutes of that montage where we're so infiltrated by North Koreans that we have to screen them. And then whatever that was at the end just put you in a mood to not try to talk anybody out of blackpilling. Oh, and let's just go ahead and knife the most prolific voting bloc we have in an election year, the pro lifers. Yowza. Aaron's montage, brought to you by our friends over at Smart Credit. Your credit score may have taken a big hit over those holidays. And now that the holiday rush in the wintertime and now you're kind of back to normal, you want to get your credit score back to where it was. They're the new Smart Credit can help you do that. They're the new credit science in credit scoring. And their data experts help you to understand how the credit bureaus update and how they operate. Because it's not just as simple as, well, let me just pay off all that debt all at once and then I'm good. I got a nice big fat tax refund. Well, it may not work that way. So this is why you want Smart Credit. They'll help you navigate this. Right? And if you go to smartcredit.com Steve, start your seven day trial for just a dollar. Your results will depend on your unique credit profile. But I think you're going to be excited to see how many points that Smart Credit estimates that you can gain. Now, results are not guaranteed, but that's why you can cancel at any time. Okay, that's smartcredit.com Steve. Smartcredit.com Steve all right, couple things out of your montage, Aaron, that I would like to highlight point blank. Decarlos Brown would have already been processed by the judicial system and been unalived by now by all the generations that actually made America. That's my motion. Do I get a second aye? Of course the ayes have it. And so here we are, every generation of every generation before us that made this country what it is. Maybe some of you think it once was and hope it would be in the future. Every previous generation would have already processed him through the judicial system and unalived him by now. And yet here we are, the clip, Aaron, that you showed. And then there's another clip from JD Yesterday too, talking about black pilling. And it's.

[C]

Yeah, we had that on the mon. We had that on the montage yesterday.

[B]

You had it on the montage yesterday when I wasn't here. So thank you. Those two clips are a big reason why I'm a JD 2028 guy. I think that he is the, the best messenger. Let's, let's. I'm not doing this for effect, but to explain my point, the way JD explained the various 10 point plans out there and that. How long is that clip that you played, Aaron? How long is that? Two minutes?

[C]

Yeah, about a minute and a half.

[B]

About a minute and a half. Is that. Was that explained better than literally a week's worth of Trump truth social post?

[C]

Probably.

[B]

I mean, I got more out of it than an entire week of Trump truth social post. What about you, Todd?

[D]

Well, of course. And I think to make your point, he talks like and he sounds like and he resonates with the crowd that Charlie spoke to.

[B]

Correct?

[D]

He sounds like Charlie Kirk.

[B]

Yeah, it was just easy to understand. Made it very accessible. Oh, okay, that makes sense. Yeah, we know the media is liars and. Okay, well, that's one. What about these other two were the other. Okay, cool. All right, makes sense. Totally get it. So it sound like some kind of chatgpt scam. Again, these are all things people would understand, normal people would get and understand. I think that he is the best communicator I've seen on our side since Reagan. And I also think it's not just how he can communicate, but what he communicates. I think he's our best chance to save the next generation of young men before they go off the cliff into the abyss of nihilism. With Charlie gone, I think he's our best chance. And at this point in time, the most powerful, potent weapon a president has is messaging and the power of the bully pulpit. And with the ability of these devices right here to get any kind of message you want right into our faces at any moment you want. That bully pulpit has never been more important than it is right now. And I think the clip that you guys shared yesterday that I shared on my socials as well, talking about black pilling and then the way he explained the various ten point plans and their origins and where they came came from in 90 seconds. Not some rambling all caps post at 3am that, you know, you feel like you have. You need a, you know, Ovaltine Decoder ring at this point. No, no. Especially in moments when we have, you know, when people are in crisis and they're lacking confidence. We need that kind of just sober, flat out explain it to you. Messaging. And here's where we are. And that's just a big reason why I'm a JD 2028 guy. Those two clips right there, back to back. You guys have any thoughts on that before I get to the next thing I want to address.

[D]

I second it. That's all you need to know.

[C]

Yeah, I think we were reminded of that this week why we, why we have come to like him, because there's been a lot and we've actually talked about it on the show a little bit about the maybe encroaching of Secretary of State Marco Rubio, who has been fantastic. So this is not a knock on either one of them, but I do think J.D. vance reminded everybody why so many people were so high on him.

[B]

Then let me, let me add one more codicil to this. The next leader of our side. We cannot be sitting here arguing with each other all the time about trust. The plan. Is there a plan? Follow the plan. There's a plan. It's four dimensional chest. We can't do another era of that. We need someone who stands up and communicates that there is a plan and it's being activated. You see what I'm trying to say? That makes you feel like, all right, the adults are here. The adults are in charge. We got this. And I say this understanding. Trump's been way more successful than me in life and the guys in my opinions won three presidential elections. All right, but we saw this during COVID and we're seeing it now. When there are moments when. Pardon me. When there are moments when things are uncertain and the erratic ways that I think he messages in order to game a system or it doesn't put people at ease. And the longer it goes on. We saw this during COVID and we're seeing it now. The longer it goes on, the more people lose confidence in it. And someone who can just communicate. Yeah. Is there a plan? Follow the plan. Who's a panicking if you're an instant black pillar, if you have any questions whatsoever. On the other hand, we just now give up because we didn't like what was said yet. I was convinced there was going to be nuclear war. And then there was. What we really need is the next leader has got to be someone that makes you feel like, all right, there is a plan. Right, Cool. They're in charge. They know what they're doing. And I thought you got that from those two clips from JD yesterday and today. All right, next thing I want to address, I'm just going to ask you guys a question and best you can, all right? I pay you guys well. You guys follow this every bit as much as I do. We're involved. This is our jobs and careers. All right? So you're smart dudes, otherwise I wouldn't pay you. Okay? So I have no, no background. I'm not going to have a lead up. I'm not going to offer anything or suggest anything. Just a point blank question I want you guys to tell me on this Iran war. What's the out here? That's my question. What's the out here? Go

[C]

out, as in getting out of there.

[B]

Yeah. What's. What's the out? What is it? What's the out? What's it look like?

[C]

I don't know. I think the fog of war has been pretty thick at times throughout the Operation Epic Fury, though not as thick as the Ukraine conflict. I think the fog of ceasefire is even thicker, though. So I truly do not know because I could see things a million different ways. You know, maybe Iran is violating this. On the same token, if it's true, we've totally wiped out great swaths of their military and command and control structure. How would the people we're negotiating with, if they even have the power over the people who are still blockading the Strait of Hormuz, how would they communicate with those individuals? We just just don't know the answers to things like that. So I think the picture will become a little bit more clear in the next few days, probably by the end of the weekend. But I have no idea what the out is right now.

[D]

We talked about this a little yesterday, Steve, and it has to do with what you just said about Trump's messaging. It's whatever the connectivity between the messaging and the people Trump's base, I guess they decide that they can live with, because the whole notion that, hey, we have regime change. Well, do we have a group of people that represent to the rebels out on the streets, that crowd that Steve, you talked about and gave you hope that maybe this was a time, have they risen up? We don't have that regime change. But is there regime change to the point that, what, 50 evil guys are dead now and now there's much less experienced guys who may not know what to do for some time? Yeah, we do have that. And what is Trump going to move forward with? And what are we going to accept as good enough, Steve. That's what it is. And we're working through that right now. But I would be lying to you if I had anything resembling something that I knew, even like that leadership you talked about with Vance, a plan. I don't think we know what our plan is definitively. I think it's mostly about messaging that people will buy.

[B]

I think both of you gave what I think a lot of the people in the country think. The two answers you guys gave, I think, symbolize what much of the country believes about this. Now, us not knowing what the out is doesn't mean that we are saying the people running the show don't know what the out is. That's a separate question. Right. And it's very clear they have intel we don't have. It's very clear that they know things we don't know. And so. And that should be the case, by the way. All right. Right. We're looking at this as we're what's between the administration and the average American. And I promise you, if I just. Even if I just went out on the streets of suburban Philly here and I just grabbed people that voted for Trump and I asked them, what's the out here? How many of them do you think could give me a definitive answer in two minutes or less? Trump voters here?

[D]

Almost none.

[B]

Almost none. That is a problem. What is the out? What is it? What's the out? And I don't know the answer to that either. I don't know what the out is. I am confident that the Israel's idea of an out is not the same as ours, because there's a level of commitment that they have here after living under this regime and the gun pointed at its head and its various terrorist elements, that all culminated in what we saw on. On October 7th three years ago, that they just have a level of generational resolve we don't have as a people. All right? I mean, we're sitting here right now in an election year, and Mike Johnson's like, well, maybe I'll just go ahead and fund our enemies, planned period. Not only will we not defund them, we'll just go ahead and hand them your tax dollars to use against us in the next election that we supposedly have to win. That's the world that we're living in here in our country. We can't even trust the people we're aligned with on a daily basis. So the level of generational resolve and unity that exists in Israel right now is something that resonates here. Forget in the country. It doesn't even resonate on the American right, let alone the country. So I have no idea what the out is. I don't know how we negotiate with the regime we all agree is insane and we're not even really sure who's in charge. I mean, okay, you know, three different 10 point plans we got from three different entities according to the vice president. And, and then I, we still don't have an answer who's going to run this thing if we topple this regime. We still don't have an answer to that. So this goes back to what I was saying a minute ago about messaging is more important now than it ever has been. When it comes to messaging against political opponents, there has been nobody better than Donald Trump. I mean, he is the last son of Krypton when it comes to messaging against domestic political opponents. And it's one of the ways that he has pushed back and fought back against unprecedented political persecution. They tried to bankrupt him, they tried to imprison him, then they tried to kill him. But in times of crisis and the soothing of people's nerves and the calming of angsts and anxieties and making people confident that, hey, I know it doesn't seem like it doesn't make any sense, but we got this, all right, Give us some time, give us some rope. That's not his strength. And the fact that we're sitting here right now, I mean, we're one of the last shows left that hasn't gone the Jews and we still don't even know what's the out here. That's a problem. And that needs to get communicated to the American people. We'll come back, be reunited with our very good friend Ryan Walters when we do. Stay tuned. It's the Steve Day Show. All right, back here on the Steve Day Show. I'm here in downtown Philadelphia. After last night's awesome Make Heaven crowded event out in suburban Philadelphia, I had the honor of being asked to speak at. Todd and Aaron are back there in our posh suburban Des Moines studios and we're brought to you by our friends over at Select Quote. So it's time for some life talk, right? I don't know if you check the death rate again, it's still that very robust, 100%. Right. That day is coming for all of us. All right? So make sure that you are prepared because for over 40 years, SelectQuote has been one of the most trusted brokers in insurance, helping More than 2 million Americans secure over $700 billion in coverage that's Warren Buffett level money right there. And their mission is simple, to find you the right insurance policy for your unique needs. They shop so you can save. And unlike other one size fits all life insurance companies select quotes, licensed agents, they work for you and they'll do so in as little as 15 minutes. You'll be able to compare policies from top rated carriers to find you the best fit for your health and your budget. And they work for you for free. So if you don't want a medical exam, no problem. If you've got a pre existing condition, they've got partners that will cover things like that as well. So get the right life insurance for you for less and Save more than [e-mail] Steve Save more than 50% on term life [e-mail] Steve get started [e-mail] Steve we're going to get started now with an old friend. Good to see Ryan Walters again, brother. How are you doing?

[E]

Very well, Steve. Thanks for having me on. Love everything you're doing there, traveling the country.

[B]

I appreciate it, man. Good to see you. And I just have a simple question. What have you been up to?

[E]

Well, we've been out destroying the teachers unions across the country. You know, it's one of those things where you and I have talked about it a lot over the years as you see how the left has captured all the education institutions across the country. We created an organization called the Teacher Freedom alliance because what we saw from good teachers still stuck in the school system was all right, we hate the union. They bully us, they coerce us. If we leave though, we're out on an island, we're under attack. Where do we go? What do we do? And so what we've done is organize over 14,000 teachers from around the country just getting started here and saying, listen, we can actually get education back. We need to do, frankly, take some lessons from the left and say let's organize folks together and let's push back on these apparatuses that have been built up to undermine our country, undermine our kids, undermine our families.

[B]

So you were doing the Lord's work there as the superintendent of Oklahoma schools. And as a little side note for people that need a reminder, we never make nefarious without Ryan's help. Never happens. Another spirit of the age union was trying to stop our movie from getting made when we were filming it there in his native state. And so without him and his help and him opening up his Rolodex to me, we never get that Film made. So I am a Ryan Walters, Stan. I am completely biased and not objective. And everyone needs to know that whenever Ryan's name comes up. Okay, but you were sitting there taking names in the state of Oakland. I know you looked at running for governor of Oklahoma. You chose this path instead. Walk our audience through why you did that.

[E]

Yeah. When you look at things and you look at what we were able to do in Oklahoma, the most groundbreaking education reforms in the country, what we continue to see every step of the way, and we've walked through a little bit of this before, but for folks to understand you're in a red state like Oklahoma, we had to fight every step of the way to get common sense reforms, get the bible back in school, DEI out of the classroom, school choice done, completely overhaul what the kids were learning in schools to get back to pro Americanism. But what we saw, what I saw in my election, what I saw every step of the way, were millions of dollars that poured in agitators from across the country that fought us every step of the way. And it came from the teachers union. It was a giant apparatus that we continued to see. My colleagues in Texas, Tennessee, Florida, Mississippi, we heard the same things every time we try to do something. It is so difficult to even get Republican legislators to move the needle because of this apparatus that's in. And so I felt called to work on the national stage to try to help get the teachers unions out of control. We have to have a strategy. And you talk about this a lot. You know, we see it, it's there. Love school choice. You're not going to find a bigger believer in school choice than me. Absolutely love it. But our public school system has been so captured. What is the plan to try to get it back on track? And frankly, I feel like there's a ticking clock here. There is an amount of time where if the public schools continue to be captured by the unions, by the left, good people are never going to be a teacher. Good people are never going to stay a teacher. And you get to a point where you go, what's the tipping point in this, you know, in western civilization, in American history, where you go, we've given them over completely. Frankly, I think we're close. And I think we have to have a national strategy. We've got parents organized, which is unbelievable. It has changed the course of education reform. But boots on the ground are so important in this fight to get a coalition of the willing inside the school system. And frankly, Steve, one of the biggest surprises I've seen is how Many folks from blue states are asking for this. They want to fight back, but they need these protections. They want to be part of an organization. They need cover because again, they're going up against one of the giant left wing apparatuses out there in the teachers unions.

[B]

So do you guys operate, Ryan, as kind of a counter to the unions where, like a professional association, Like I know people probably don't, a lot of people don't know that you can organize people and even bargain on their behalf without forming a union. I think sometimes they're called professional associations, for example. So is that what you guys are kind of, hey, if you still want to be able to get the benefits of strength in numbers without aligning with a demonic worldview, that really undermines the reason you got into teaching in the first place. We're kind of the alternative to that. Is that kind of what you guys are?

[E]

Yes, sir. So to walk you through, we work closely with the Freedom foundation, which gets public sector workers out of the union unions. And they said, listen, teachers are the toughest group to get out. They did a study and said, listen, the teachers all say the same thing. Once we leave the union, we leave any kind of liability protection. Okay? So number one, we provide liability protection for teachers. So if anything were to happen, anything kind of crazy, they have some legal insurances there. Number two is, you do understand, even if we leave the union, and this is wild how the unions have set this up to keep our teaching certificates in our states, we have to go back to the unions to get a certain amount of training hours that then we have to pay for out of pocket if we're not paying the union dues. So the unions have this set up where they're going to make their money either way. You've got to basically be a part of their training, their indoctrination, no matter what. So we stepped in. We're already certified in 49 states. We can provide all of those professional development hours. You get to stay a teacher, you have liability insurance. You don't have to join the union for these protections. And frankly, then the union just lies. They say things like that you'll lose your retirement. Well, that's ridiculous. Janice really said you don't. You could lose your jobs. Well, that's illegal. So again, that's where the legal protections come in from our organization. They can't fire you for not being in the union. So these are the things that kept teachers from leaving and so having a spot for them to land. And then frankly, see, the last point is teaching is often an isolating profession where you're off, you know, and you're. You're doing your thing, but you're in your own classroom. Teachers wanted that community. And our good common sense teachers around the country said, hey, you know, is that part of this as well? So we find a lot of our members say, listen, being able to walk in a room and talk about how to teach the Constitution, how to teach, you know, the Bible's role in American history, how to actually get good American citizens out of our students, that's what we want to talk about. We want to talk about how to be better teachers, not how to. You know, there's a no Kings rally today organized by the NEA and aft. You know, we want no part of that, but we didn't feel like there was an option. And that's where we step in.

[B]

Why is this a vital instrument into undoing the level of control that the teacher unions have had on the schools all this time? Why is this for the average American right now, who's never been a teacher, never lived with a teacher, been married to one, doesn't really understand kind of the ecosystem that you just described. Why would they feel the need for this in terms of this overall fight?

[E]

Well, what we see is. And again, you know, we can launch the best curriculum we can launch. Hey, we want to get back to this kind of understanding of American history. We want to get back to the basics. If the teachers on the ground aren't doing it, that's great. We've just produced really great curriculum, you know, and again, we do a great job of that as conservatives of going, hey, here's something great. Wouldn't it be great if the kids learned this and it doesn't happen? And the reason is because teachers. And again, remember, if you're in a classroom and your administrator comes down, which they do all the time, here's the new curriculum. We want you to teach it. And you go, this says Thomas Jefferson's a racist. This says, America is an evil country. That is your boss that you're telling no to, who, by the way, just spent hundreds of thousands of dollars on curriculum. Who's going to say, actually, you're going to do this? And so it puts teachers in this very tight spot where, okay, if I leave the union, I leave all my legal protections. I'm out there, I see this garbage that they're trying to push on the kids, and I step in and say, I don't want to do that. Obviously, you can see why that puts them in a really Tough spot. Working with Moms for America, Working with Moms for Liberty. They say it all the time. Teachers tell us in private, we're with you 100%. But what am I supposed to do if my boss comes down on me here? And this is where this function of having an organization that says, hey, we're pro American unabashedly, we are pro education over indoctrination teachers, we have your back. We want to fight with the union. I'm very clear about, I want to fight with Randy Weingarten. Hey, if they were to come after you, we are ready, we are stoked, we are ready to go. And that gives those teachers that ability to go, okay, we're in an organization, nearly 15,000 members, they've got a legal team, they've got all these, let's go. But we have to have that final piece or else the public school system again. We can roll out the best curriculum, we can roll out the best trainings, but the teachers are going to say that's great, I would love to do that, but I also have to go, I have to make a living, I've got to go home. This is my profession. I am up against school board leftists, I'm up against administrator woke indoctrinators, I'm up against a union like where is my army? Where is my coalition? And I think it's very important final piece to the puzzle here in education reform.

[B]

So I mean this is how you form a movement. You connect all these, you know, all these independent threads of resistance and you connect them together into fabric of resistance. People get the encouragement on one end to know that they're not alone, but on the other end, a triple braided cord is tougher to break. If you take the one teacher in every school district in the country and it's just them versus that leviathan where they live, they're going to get ran over. But if you put them all together as one movement now suddenly that one voice times how many school districts in America now suddenly you've got compound interest there ideologically.

[E]

And then we tell them, you know guys, the parents are going to have your back. If you go out and say I don't want to teach this curriculum, I actually, I've got this. We just passed out a constitutional curriculum to really help build out how those founding values came into place, where our founding principles came from. If your school says you can't teach that, okay, and you go out publicly and you go to a school board meeting and say, hey, I want to teach this to the kids. I don't understand. Show me what the problems in teaching this curriculum. Show me the problems in teaching a American values in the classroom. If you will do that publicly, we can partner you with parents who are going to come forward and go, hey, we don't know what you all are doing in the school district, but that's exactly what we want for our kids. But that is the connecting of the dots, of the frustration from parents, the frustration from communities that have seen their school system not only not strengthen the community, not strengthen the country, but actually undermine their communities, their country, their family. To come in and say, actually, if you were willing to step up, we will have your back. We will connect you with these parents. We will connect to this larger organization. It's going to be very powerful as we continue to move forward and take the schools back. And again, you know, as I go around the country, I continue to hear that of what is going to be the response from the left if these parents connect up with this group of teachers. It's a very powerful coalition that we're building. And I believe in order to get the public schools back on track, you're not going to get the administrators. We're working on school board races. I appreciate what Moms for Liberty does and other groups like that to get involved in school board races, but if you don't have the boots on the ground that are willing to fight back, I think again, it becomes this battle that's very circular. And I think we've got to connect those dots. We've got to connect the tactics of our strategy together. And that's what we're working to do across the country.

[B]

What have you learned that you didn't know? Now that you're out there and around the country, what have you learned that just even fighting the battle in Oklahoma, you could not have known?

[E]

Well, I learned this firsthand is, you know, we have a lot more conservatives, common sense people in blue states than I probably thought beforehand. You've got a lot of frustrated people that are ready to go that see, you know, just a few big cities that really dictate what blue states are doing. And as you build those groups out, I believe you've got a. I mean, we've got folks that are ready to take the country back in blue states. And I believe that the common sense, conservative message of what education can be in those blue states, it's powerful. The left has so lost their mind on education. I mean, Steve, it was just a few years ago, back when I was first running for office, I had consultants going, hey, education Republicans, you know, it's not a great issue, you know, kind of steer from it. Well, since COVID since we've seen the CRT DEI transgenderism, we've seen the unions get crazier and crazier, no kings rallies, all this nonsense, we have an opportunity with folks all across the country to say we can all agree that's nonsense. Right? At least I would think 80% of us, 70% of us can agree that is absolute nonsense. Here is the vision moving forward. It is going to be very interesting in blue states. You've even seen some blue states opt into the school choice tax credit it. It's going to be a very powerful tool as we go around the blue states and organize those individuals to push back. And what are the large cities, Are they going to point to their results? They've got the worst education results in the country. And so it becomes a very difficult thing for them to battle out of. And again, let them argue for the status quo. Let them argue for, hey, this really works. We just need more money. In blue states, they have been taxed and taxed and taxed again. Hey, they, you know why our schools are bad. We just need a few more billion dollars and it'll be great. They have done that time and time again. The opportunity is ripe to build out the grassroots, to push back hard in those states. To say, guys, it's not the amount of money, it's how the money's being spent. It's the leadership in these schools. It is these organizations like the unions that have run our school systems into the ground. And I think blue states, there's a tremendous opportunity there that I don't know that I realized until I got got on the ground in those states.

[B]

Well, that's encouraging. So good to see you, my friend. People want to follow your new organization, your new gig. How do they do that?

[E]

Thank you for that, Steve. First of all, Send everybody to optouttoday.com to get teachers out of the union. And then teacherfreedom.com if you will come sign up. Follow the work that we're doing, teachers, non teachers alike, we want parents, taxpayers, you can sign up there and see the work that we're doing. I really appreciate, Steve, thank you for all you're doing around the country and appreciate you having me on today.

[B]

You bet, my friend. So optout today.com and teacherfreedom.com those are the two websites, right?

[E]

Yes, sir.

[B]

All right. Good to see you, brother. Don't be a stranger, all right?

[E]

Yes, sir. Thank you, Steve.

[B]

All right, God bless. That's our good friend Ryan Walters. Gentlemen, any thoughts on that conversation?

[D]

When people ask, what should I do? What should I do? What should I do? We've had two guests in a row now. Ryan Walters and yesterday, Alvin, Louie, take over your school districts. This is a non negotiable in terms of taking our country back. And it is outside of just dealing with the names and things like that, it is actually the easiest thing to do. You love your kids, don't you? Show up and take it back. It's. I don't know how many numbers are it's going to take, but it's not a majority of your. That hearty band that shows up and just takes it back because that's what the left is. They've just got their constants in every school district do the same, take it back, stop wondering out there. Basically we know what we have to do. We just still have too many excuses of why we won't do it.

[C]

Do you think five would, would work in a lot of school districts, Todd? Just five sets of parents. Five guys?

[D]

Yes, because it's more than zero.

[C]

Because they just know. The school board knows when they show up. If we don't toe the line, these five guys are going to make our lives more complicated than it would be. In fact, wouldn't you say if you just show up, you're losing. You're using their own love of comfort against them for sure. Just a little bit, make it uncomfortable for them for a change. We lost Steve. That's gonna do it for hour one of the Steve Day Show. More in a moment.

[B]

Stay tuned. All right, back here with hour two here on Blaze tv, radio and podcasts. Steve Dace here. I'm on location. I'm on the road. I'm here in downtown Philadelphia. After a great night in suburban Philadelphia last night on behalf of tpusa Faith for make heaven. Crowded packed house. And I left there very fired up last night and encouraged. We'll see how encouraged I am after this Theology Thursday. Todd and Aaron are still back there in Des Moines. I am testing Aaron's patience by doing absolutely everything wrong I technically could possibly do. I'm just here to make Aaron a little holier than he was when he started.

[C]

It's not your fault. It's that stupid camera. I'm pretty much sure.

[B]

I know, but apparently I keep hitting something. I don't know what I'm doing.

[C]

I don't think so.

[B]

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[D]

Closer to that, A little earlier than that even.

[B]

Okay, so dialogue with Trypho. And Todd, if at any point I get any of this wrong, because it's been a while since I've read this or read about it, so I'm Doing a lot of this from memory. But if. But Dialogue with Trypho was an apologetic work cleverly written by Justin Martyr to push back simultaneously on two false teachings. One, that Jesus was not Messiah. And then two, a figure we have mentioned a lot on this show recently, Marcion, who went even further in the other direction, saying, well, Judaism was false from the beginning and the God of the Old and New Testament are completely different gods. And so Trypho is a Jew. And in this dialogue, Justin Martyr both walks his Jewish friend Trypho through the scriptures and explains to him why the sacrificial system, the temple, is gone. So what happens now to the Jewish religion? There's no temple. They cannot resume sacrifices. They cannot practice the sacrifices that gave them even some limited form of atonement prior to the resurrection that they agreed would happen at the end when God would separate the wicked from the righteous. So then what does this mean for Judaism? And in this book and in this work, Justin Martyr walks his friend, his Jewish friend Trypho through a lot. When you read in the New Testament that Paul would go to the synagogues first and walk his fellow Jews through the Scriptures, I think a lot of you may think that Paul was just like showing up with the Gospels, okay? That Paul was just like showing up with the Gospels. And like, no, that canon doesn't largely did not exist yet. It's being terraformed right at these moments that, I mean, Paul is writing a lot of his letters between 48 to 65 or so AD so we're only. I mean, people were alive who watched Christ get crucified. When Paul is writing his letters and even up until the point that he was. That he was martyred by Nero. So the Scriptures that Paul is walking his Jewish brethren through when he shows up at the synagogues in every town he went to, even though he was the. Even though he was the apostle to the Gentiles, he always went to the synagogue first. Why? Because Paul says the Jews were entrusted with the oracles of God. They received the word of God first. Messiah came through them. So he always went to his Jewish brethren first to. To reason with them as best as he could as to why Christ was Messiah. The scriptures that he would walk them through were not a New Testament that had not been canonized yet because it's being written largely by Paul right in this period of time. Time. He's walking them through what we call the Old Testament. He's walking them through the Pentateuch, the first five books of the Bible. He's walking them through the. The law, the prophets. He's walking them through the psalms, their own scriptures. And so what Justin Martyr does in this work with his Jewish friend Trypho is he points out to him that his sacrificial system, starting with Moses and the lamb's blood over the door, that all of these sacrifices were never, ever meant to be the, the atonement for your soul could never be, in fact, could never pay the debt that you owe God. But they were type the Jew signs to point to or foreshadowings. They were omens meant to give the Jews signs to point to, ultimately the sacrifice Messiah would make for them. And that's why Jesus, that's why Jesus is referred to as the Lamb slain before the foundation of the world. Jesus was slain on Passover, right at the moment, about three in the afternoon, right at the moment that the Jews would take out the lamb to sacrifice on the day of atonement for their sins. There. That's right at the moment that Jesus gave up his breath on the cross, that these are all foreshadowings of who Christ was going to be be. And that there will not be a return to their sacrificial system. It will not return because the last sacrifice Christ has been made. And that now Justin Martyr even goes further. He argues in dialogue with Trypho that it is actually now those who are in Christ, both Jew and Gentile alike, are now God's covenant people moving forward. And then he proceeds to rebuke Marcion, who tried to divorce the Old Testament from the New, the most famous of Gnostics. We've talked about him a few times on the show recently. One of the first great heretics in the history of the church. And if you want to know a lot of what Marcion thought, just listen to Tucker Carlson these days. It's very, very similar. And Tucker Carlson is now on a track that he'll either just become Marcion or maybe just Muslim at this point. I mean, you know, who also says you should never, ever insult Islam. And Esther is not about the defense of the Jews against a genocide from the Persians, but a genocid of the Persians who are really, by the way, Haman is technically not just a Persian, he's a descendant of the Amalekites. But that's a whole other theology lesson for another day. But Muslims think this. You'd find that talking point everywhere in an Islamic land. Everything you're hearing Tucker say about Esther and don't insult Islam and all that stuff, you'd hear that in every Muslim country in the world. And so, in many respects, Justin Martyr takes, like, the most offensive position possible. He both rebukes Marcion the heretic, and then at the same time, he was saying that the Jews were never God's covenant people. The Old Testament's not even the Bible. It's a totally different God, totally different religion. We're not grafted into this. It's a totally different religion. It's a literal synagogue of Satan, not a rhetorical expression or flourish to describe the kinds of Jews that were trying to stop the Gospel. Gospel from going out, which is what that reference is to in the Scriptures. That's. You've heard that reference before. That's what that means. Okay, so. So he has the most offensive position of them all. He is rebuking Marcion, who wants to totally divorce Judaism from Christianity. At the same time, he's going to the. He's going to the Jews, and he's saying, you're doomed without Christ, as is the rest of this planet. And your system is not returning. It's not coming back. Wasn't meant to come back. Wasn't meant to return. It's fulfilled in Christ, and this is the new covenant now. And he's now the Passover lamb, and now he's the sacrifice. And now we all can approach the Holy of Holies now there's nothing separating us from God anymore. Through Christ, once our sins are atoned for, we can all boldly approach the throne of grace. In many respects, Justin Martyr basically had the position that Todd's Catholic Church has on this matter. I think that's a pretty accurate assessment of what he says in dialogue with Trypho. Todd, do you want to argue with any. Anything I just said so far?

[D]

Nope. Seconded.

[B]

Okay. I didn't think you wanted to argue with me with saying that a church father agreed with you Catholics. I didn't think so, but I wanted to give you the chance just in

[D]

case the dots connect. One plus one equals two again.

[B]

I thought you'd let me have that one. I thought you might. Okay. So it is in that spirit that I want to have the conversation that we're going to have the rest of this hour now, because there's an old friend of mine that is someone I have an immense amount of respect for, and I've been on his podcast a few times over the years, and he's been on ours several times. I still think he has written one of the most important political works of this era called Nullification. And he's kind of the. I would say Tom woods might be the most, at least as far as I can tell. You know, I'm adjacent to that Ron Paul world. You know, I've seen it up close and personal here in my home state of Iowa. And I've talked about before a lot of those folks from the right to work people and the Ron Paul people, they taught me politics, they taught me political activism, and greatly had an influence on a lot of the political tactical analysis and strategy that I even conveyed to you on this show to this very day. And Tom, I would say, is one of the deeper thinkers within that movement. And he's taken issue with me on numerous fronts in the last couple of weeks on X. And I've not responded yet. And I wanted to do so in the most respectful way I possibly could, which is why I'm not going to respond on X, because that's really not a place for respectful response at all. And I wanted to do it right here as a dialogue. And then Tom is welcome to respond however he wants. I'll have had my say here by the time that this is done and he can even have the last word as far as I'm concerned. I've said what I want to say. But before we get to some of Tom's issues with what I'm pointing out, I want to make sure my position is very clearly known. Known that everybody. I want my position to be clearly known. And so let me share with you guys something that I put on social media this morning, all right? Because we've got this like sudden interest in the Lebanese Christian community from the same people that have shown no interest whatsoever in the massacre of Christians in Nigeria that we just talked about on the show two days ago. And that's another example of how your concern really isn't the Lebanese Christian community. You're just a total fraud. Fraud. And these sorts of false choices are being presented to us daily. I mean, that's what Justin Martyr is addressing in dialogue with Trypho. He's addressing two different false choices. The false choice that Marcion offers and then the false choice offered by the Jew who will not recognize Christ as Messiah and is still pining away for a temple that is, according to Justin Martyr, never going to return. All right, but let me reiterate this. I have had reservations about this war since before it started. I've said it it on this show, I said it on Charlie show, I've said it on other shows. I've said it on X. So I've expressed this publicly on Various platforms. And my reservations largely stem from two things. Number one, and we just got into this last hour, what's the out here? What does victory ultimately look like with the regime? If they're every bit as insane as we think they are, and I think that they are, how do you negotiate with insane? How do you do that? What's that look like? How do you negotiate in good faith with insane? I mean, we tried to negotiate a ceasefire. The vice president told us three different 10 point plans came forward. And then should we topple the regime outright, who is there that is sane that can imminently subdue a nation? And I mean imminently put the imminent and imminently a nation of 90 million people so that it doesn't fall into even worse hands, which Trump himself admitted at the start is could happen here if the regime is toppled, or it could lead to bloody sectarian violence with all of these various different groups, troops now kind of unleashed to go after each other after being held down by the ayatollahs. And this was Charlie's great fear, by the way. Number two, here at home we have so many unaddressed existential problems that are dividing us in our daily lives all of the time that it just feels most Americans are not going to think that Iran until you can tell me they have an ICBM with a nuclear warhead pointed right at the East Coast. A majority of the American people are just not going to feel the threat of Iran like they feel the threat from elements within their own country. And I think that means we simply therefore are going to lack the resolve to unite on literally anything like the Israelis are united. Post October 7th, you're being told that this is some kind of Bibi thing. I know that Megyn Kelly is peddling this now. Totally fine. False. And if you're anybody who is saying that tells me they don't really have any sources in Israel at all. Haven't really talked to anybody in Israel at all. And that's the best thing that I could say. The exact opposite is true. As a nation. The whole of Israel wants this. This is why you're not seeing Israeli political opposition to Netanyahu on our newscast every night. And I have no idea why my camera just did that there.

[C]

It's, I think it's time, I mean, it's high time, and I mean it is high time for us to replace this camera.

[B]

The camera is possessed. Let's just, you know, let the audience see me try to fix this maybe. All right. This is crazy.

[C]

This is unjust.

[B]

I'm going to disconnect the camera totally and reconnect it.

[C]

Todd, let's talk for a little bit.

[B]

You guys talk.

[C]

What do you think?

[B]

I think the audience would get a kick out of me watching me try to fix this, so.

[C]

Well, I'll put you back up then. What do you.

[B]

Am I on now?

[C]

Yes. No, you're not. I mean, it's still turned.

[B]

Oh, it's my reflection through the mirror. That's what it's doing. Okay, I gotcha. So this is nuts.

[C]

Yeah. For those of you listening, the Obsbot Tiny 2 camera, if you're looking for reliability, dependability, and just knowing what to expect, do not buy this camera. Do not buy this camera ever. Now, it thinks that it's. It thinks your reflection.

[B]

It thinks my reflection in this mirror in front of me is my me. And it's not. And I can't turn it. This is nuts. This is absolutely nuts.

[C]

It's my.

[B]

I can't make it. I can't make it see that it's me.

[D]

See?

[B]

And I can't make it. See? No, I'm right here. Now follow me. Follow me. I'm right here. Okay. Follow. Follow here. Follow here.

[C]

The tracking is off.

[D]

Justin Martyr versus Obsbot. Go.

[B]

Justin Martyr has no shot up against Osbot, I'll tell you that much. All right.

[C]

The audience will get a kick out of this. Yeah.

[B]

Somewhere Justin Martyr is laughing or he's thinking, this is the worst. Can you dialogue with Trifo that has ever happened? Okay. All right, let's try this again. All right. Normal tracking. Is it on me now?

[C]

Yeah, it's on you now.

[B]

All right. Because the audience was like, what's the issue? While I'm sitting in front of a mirror in this downtown Hilton hotel. So that would have been funny. I could have just talked through the mirror and the words would have looked backwards coming out of my mouth the entire time.

[D]

Time.

[B]

All right, all right. So is it tracking? Are we good? Okay, turn the tracking off. You have the picture you want. Aaron, does that work?

[C]

It's not centered, but this is better than cinema.

[B]

Guys. I made a movie once, but I can't get my Osbot camera to work. How you like them apples? All right, I think I got it. Is it good? Yeah.

[C]

We're never using this camera again.

[B]

All right, I'm turning the tracking off. All right. Okay. So. So this is not. Did the Jews do this to our camera? All right, there it is. There it is. All right. This is not Bibi's War. Bibi is getting criticized and has been for not moving swifter, for not being even more punishing to Israel's enemies. There's a reason why you are way more likely to see Megyn Kelly complaining on Pierce Morgan Morgan about this war than any member of the Israeli political opposition. Think about this, folks. Before this war began, was Netanyahu not under. Before October 7, remember, Netanyahu was getting investigated by their Supreme Court for corruption. You guys remember all this?

[C]

Oh, yeah, right.

[B]

There were talks of impeaching him. His party had been voted out, then voted back in. Netanyahu has kind of a Churchillian history in Israeli politics where he's been around forever and like everybody on every side, he's. He's ticked them off in some way, shape or form. All right, so this was not a united country prior to October 7th. This was not a united, even movement behind the Likud Party and Netanyahu prior to October 7th. They are. There is no. You don't see anybody in the Israeli opposition party stepping up to try to take advantage of any of this. Have you noticed this? No one is trying to take political advantage of this to topple Netanyahu in Israel. Have you noticed that? This. Why? Because they're way more united than we are. That's why. And, and, and they're way more united than we're probably capable of being right now. Right now. If we turn our backs on Republicans for five minutes, Mike Johnson's apparently going to put the funding to Planned Parenthood back. Trump just endorsed that Salazar chick who's trying to do the Amnesty act, just endorsed her for Congress. And we didn't prosecute anybody in the Epstein child or human trafficking, child trafficking ring. That's the people that we vote for and agree with, guys. Imagine trying to unite with the people on the other side. We don't agree with existentially on anything. So I truly don't think we understand the level of unity that exists among the Jewish people at this particular moment. And I'm not sure that we're capable of understanding it, frankly. Frankly. Because it's just not where we live on any level at all. Okay? And so we just watched. We're watching Trump fight Iran harder than he fought Tim Walls, which is one of the reasons, by the way, there's a lot of distrust right now in our movement and on our side. This is also why you have not seen me doing, you know, daily child of the 80s jingoistic updates. We've not been doing that on a regular basis online or on this show. But hey, since we are in this war that I didn't think was a good idea to going in, I would prefer to win and lose. I'm kind of getting the idea that there's some of us out there on our side that are much more preferable to losing this thing than winning it because it would affirm their narrative. But since we're in it, I'd rather America win. And I do know that the Iranian regime has been a perpetuator of evil throughout my life. Life. Now, unfortunately though, this, this reasonable conversation that I'm trying to have that includes nuances and distinctions as adults should. We're not able to have it because we have sinister and dark forces that are using this moment to create scapegoats and, and further anti western narratives in order to take advantage of a justifiably frustrated and skeptical people. To the point now we've got the oldest scapegoat ploy in all of history, the Jews. All right, now the.

[D]

That's.

[B]

Now we're pulling that. That's the quickest way by. Way by right now to be taken seriously and grow a serious audience. And you know when you see Benny Johnson throwing this stuff out there yesterday, he's like the ultimate guy on our side for whatever, whatever trends we read. That's what we do, right? The old saying, whatever, whenever, whatever bleeds, it leads. You always know what is being incentivized on social media by the content. Benny Johnson does. I'll just tell you that. Someone needs to tell you that, so I will. Right now he's doing this stuff. Netanyahu lied to Trump. They didn't have the intel. They made the whole it's the Jews. That's the quickest way to join, to grow, to grow an audience is to do this. And this came out of literally nowhere on the right. We went from 0 to 100 overnight with this anti Semitism stuff, which is how, you know, it's not natural, it's supernatural. And I think you're watching a sifting take place. I think you're watching demoniacs like Candace Owen saying the world, we can't have peace in the world as long as there's a nation of Israel. She said that yesterday. Yesterday, you know, because the, the 1838 years we had no nation of Israel on the earth, guys, was just marked with prolonged and consistent peace. The first 172 years the United States existed before Israel did. We were never in any wars at all, guys. Did you notice that? We were never in any wars until May 15, 1948, when Israel existed. We just, we just had con consistent peace. These people are either or intentional deceivers. But I repeat myself, and they're the Hamans of their day. And no one, I can promise you this, no one, absolutely no one that ever goes down the rabbit hole of Jewish scapegoating ever comes back a better person for it. Nobody does. And I think this has become very obvious to people with a spiritual pulse and it's made it impossible to have a real conversation about any of this because it's clear that much of this is just intended to Jewish escape coding. It's a narrative in search of details. Hey, I hate the Jews. And now I suddenly discovered there's Christians in Lebanon. There's actually over a million Christians in Lebanon. In fact, I just suddenly discovered there's Christians in Lebanon who might be in the crossfire of all of this. 48 hours ago I didn't know, but I'm now, just now I'm just doom scrolling looking for reasons to hate the Jews in Israel. So I just discovered this. I scrolled right over all the dead bodies in Nigeria. I scrolled right past those, okay. And didn't ask any questions about the Christians there and why they're suffering and who's making them do it because I'm just looking for details to affirm my narrative. And I think it also shows, sadly, that a lot of our countrymen lack a spiritual pulse. And that's why, despite my ongoing misgivings about this war, which I communicated at the top of the show, I communicated here at the top of this hour whenever this Osbot camera would let me do it. All right. I oppose the vast majority of people that are opposing this war because. And I do so with all my might because I don't think that they really want to have an adult conversation about this. I think they've made it obvious that they're not doing so for rational reasons. They say things that are constantly not rational, but they're doing so for quite the opposite. I think much of this is insane. It's dark, it's sinister, it's godless. That's why I'm going to stand against it with absolutely everything I have, no matter the cost. Now, knowing what I know of Tom woods and the fact he wants to engage me directly, I suspect Tom is, in fact, I'm pretty confident. Confident is not one of the people I'm talking about, which is why I'm willing to dialogue here with Trifo and have a conversation with some of his laments and complaints that he has steered my way in the last few weeks. And we'll do that here in a few minutes. But before we get out of here, guys, for this first segment, I want to give you guys a chance to respond to just me restating my position and the overall lay of the land here as we try to dialogue with Trifo.

[D]

Well, you know, as you bring up, you reference Heyman there, I think we owe Tucker at least a sideways debt of gratitude on all this. You want to talk about for such a time as this. You want to get nuts? Let's get nuts. How do you like these apples? We're going to do it for real.

[C]

So basically, in this day and age, it's kind of a variation of what we have talked about for months now. You're either pursuing the truth, you're either pursuing lies, or you're either pursuing narrative. And here's the distinction between all three. The latter two are obviously things that you don't want to do. The first one, pursuing the truth, we can do that in good faith. We can do that in good faith. Now, all of us are fallen. We don't have this side of, you know, east of Eden. We don't have a monopoly on it unless our name is God. Capital G, God. But the best we can do is try to pursue, pursue the truth in good faith. Pursuing lies, you're in trouble. That's the absence of truth. Pursuing a narrative, you're also in trouble as well, because usually that has some factoid, some notions of truth mixed with lies. Did God really say he knows that you'll become like him? That's a narrative. That's a narrative. It is true, in a sense, that you will become like God if you eat of this fruit, but not in the way that Satan or Lucifer was pointing it out there. That's an example example, at least in my estimation, of a narrative. So I think that's ultimately what we're trying to accomplish here, is that we are trying to pursue truth with the caveat that all of us are fallen and we're not going to do it perfectly at the end of the day.

[B]

Amen. That is extremely well said, Aaron. All right, so when we come back, I'm going to let a guy I have a lot of respect for, Tom Woods, I'm going to let him challenge my narrative and respond as, as dignified as I can as we dialogue with Trypho here on Theology Thursday. Stay tuned. More to come here in a moment.

[E]

The steve day show.

[B]

All right, Back here mercifully, with our final segment. Man, this has been my flight got canceled Tuesday night because a piece of plastic the pilot admitted we didn't need yet they wouldn't let us take off. So the flight got canceled. I had the worst Uber drive of all time. I got dropped off in literally the middle of nowhere, the place where horror movies are made, in order to even get to the event last night. And then all the technical snafus we've had here today. So this must be really compelling content that the enemy doesn't want people to get access to because there's a lot of roadblocks. But we've made it to the last segment. Let's see if we can get to the very end. And we're brought to you by our friends over at Miracle Made. You guys know I love my miracle made sheets. They've got the silver infused fabric inspired by NASA that does a great job in both helping regulate bacteria in your sheets, but then also the thermal regulation as well, so that you get the best night's sleep you can all year round, even with the change of seasons. And it's why the only sheets that have been on our bed since they came on board with us back I think in 23 have been miracle made sheets. So upgrade your sleep now or yourself or the gift to somebody else of better rest. Go to trymiracle.comdace to try those sheets today. You're going to save over 40% if you [e-mail] dace and if you drop my promo code Dace, you're going to save an additional 20% plus a free three piece towel set today. Again, trymiracle.comdace you will not regret it. These sheets are fantastic. Trymiracle.comdaish use the code Daish. All right, now it's Trifo's turn or our old friend here, Tom woods, who we have a lot of respect for, who wants to challenge my narrative on a few things. And so there were several of these. I knew we wouldn't have time to do them all, so I just randomly picked a few of them. Aaron, let's fire away.

[C]

All right, this one is first. You want me to read these for you?

[B]

Yeah, you can.

[C]

All right, so this one is Steve. I noticed he got very angry at Tucker but didn't say a word when Trump opened Easter morning with the F word word. Why is that exactly? What if Tucker had done that? If I look around hard enough, I will find some kind of principle in here. Question mark?

[B]

Well, Tom, I would ask in return on Good Friday when Trump used the platform of the White House to literally share the gospel.

[D]

All right.

[B]

That Jesus died for the sins of mankind. I mean, I've not looked on your feed. I don't have time, and I don't really think you need babysit. You know, your own stuff. But could you point me to how you thanked Trump on Good Friday for using the largest platform in the history of the world to promulgate and advance the gospel? Can you point me to when Tucker has ever given out? For God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten son that whomsoever will believe in him will not perish but have eternal life. And God did not. Jesus did not come into the world to condemn the world, but so that through him, the world would be saved. Can you tell me when Tucker's ever shared that message? Message as he shared it as recently as Donald Trump has. So I don't approve of the president using the F word on Easter or any other day for that matter, but I'm going to have a hard time criticizing a president who used his platform a mere 48 hours earlier to proclaim the literal gospel. All right, the gospel, the faith, as St. Jude says, passed once and for all, all down to the saints. I mean, he used his platform to do that. And I kind of feel like getting all my panties in a wad over a singular F bomb 48 hours later after the guy did that is just, you know, kind of trying to, you know, strain it at. While swallowing a camel. Furthermore, Trump's not even attempting to speak for Christianity, not even claiming to be a Christian. Tucker is attempting to speak for Christianity and define what it means to be a Christian. And so therefore, I am holding him to a much higher standard. Standard in terms of what he communicates and what it means than I do an unbeliever like Donald Trump. Gentlemen, you have any thoughts on that before we move on to the next one?

[D]

Seconded. I just apply. Tom needs to apply the standard in full, just as you did.

[C]

Yeah, and, I mean, I brought up this example yesterday as well. Do you really. Are you really offended by something? Are you truly offended by something if in three weeks you're not gonna forget it? And I use this example. I. I bookmarked this tweet from two months ago from a reporter at News Nation, citing a source close to the White House, saying that because of a post that Trump made on Truth Social, it cost the GOP the midterms. And I read all of this detail about all of this cataclysm about this post, and all of this detail and it didn't say anything about the contents of the post itself. I asked Todd, do you have any idea what this post was on Truth Social that I was talking about about? Todd had no idea. Probably most of the people within the sound of my voice had no idea what that post was. Most people are not even going to forget about or remember this in two weeks. So are you really, are you really offended by that? Are you really going to remember that this even happened in like two weeks? I'm not sure. Maybe you are. I'll give you, I'll grant you that benefit of the doubt, but most people are just who are, who are clutching their pearls right now about that, aren't even going to remember it in two weeks.

[B]

Number two.

[C]

All right, this one is next from Tom, who says Steve Dase is at it again. He reposts without comment the President's crazed message today about destroying Persian civilization, never to be seen again. The golly gee, that Tucker Carlson sure deserves rebuke. This is your post from April 7th. We're 10 minutes away from Tucker declaring the entire Bible null and void because the whole thing was written by jewelry.

[B]

Well, first of all, I think I would say to try for here to my friend Tom. I mean, the president is a known quantity. We know how he communicates. We know why a lot of this is just way over the top language. In fact, this is so well known now, I think we should actually consider the opposite criticism. Like I think the Iranians had to know that this guy uses this way over the top language, that he was never going to nuke them or anything like that. Like, I think he's played that card so many times that I now wonder, you know, if he's going to have to follow through on something once in order for it to be believed. But that's a topic for another day. Okay, but this was just clearly over the top language. I just, you know, it's just news what the President has to say. I didn't give it a comment because I was just sharing it as news. I frankly didn't take it very seriously. I thought the chances that we were going to launch nuclear war on Iran were about the chances I was going to turn down a pumpkin spice offering that day. And I kind of figured, figured frankly, everybody with a double digit IQ kind of knew that too. That's why I didn't offer really any commentary. But again, Donald Trump is not attempting to redefine Christianity. Tucker Carlson is okay. And I mean, there's a reason why Justin martyr spent more time writing about Marcion than he did the emperor. One guy was attempting to redefine Christianity, the other one was a pagan. So my priority, you may disagree and I'm okay with that. But just communicating from my position, my priority is always the gospel, not public policy. Public policy to me is an extension of the gospel. But if it's a choice between who has a policy or a messaging of a policy I don't agree with and then who is attempting to warp, distort the gospel, as best as I understand it, I'm always going to prioritize the latter

[C]

as we should aspire. All right, next up, let's go to this. This is Steve's response to Tucker Carlson's monologue tonight. As usual, Steve and his friends have taken the seven seconds. They don't like filth, they declare. But when president himself opened Easter morning with a profanity laden message, not one syllable out of Steve.

[B]

Well, I've already addressed the whole profanity thing already. We don't need to go down that. But let me address the seven seconds, Tom. Let me put your idea, your premise to a test and let's say I wax poetic for five minutes about how much I love nullification. I do. How much I would still recommend every American and read it. I would. How I hope you sell another hundred thousand some odd copies of that because I know you had a New York Times bestseller and it deserves even more, even more eyeballs than it received, which I agree with. And the amount of respect I have for you for the audience that you gave for people like me to question this scamdemic during those times, how much I agree with you that what the president has done to waste political capital on taking out Thomas Massie in a primary, that Thomas Massie is still going to probably win just because he only agrees with the president about 91% of the time. I have said on this show many times think it's a complete misuse of political capital. Suppose I say all of those things and then I turn right around and say for the next seven seconds, Tom woods rapes children and eats their organs. So Tom, what do you think is probably going to be the highlight for you, do you think? Are you going to remember all the flowery language and the great things I said about you or the fact that I may have defamed you by saying you rape children and eat the wrong organs? So with all due respect, I think that's a ridiculous premise on your part. And yes, I think for someone claiming that they've been somehow assigned. He won't tell us by who, won't tell us where he goes to church, won't tell us who he studies under, but he's going to use his platform to redefine Christianity and to do so in a way that says how dare you insult Islam. Yeah, I do think that's disgusting filth. To do so in a way that takes the book of ethics, Esther, and completely turns it around. The book of Esther is about the preservation of the messianic line and completely turns it around into some sort of genocidal Muslim take on the Persians. Yeah, I do think that's disgusting filth. And I think when you take the Lord's name and his word in vain like that, I think it kind of cancels out everything else you said before and after, including maybe the previous 20 years of work you've done. That I think is very important. I think we've reached the point of no return of giving Tucker benefit to the doubt because of the great work he did in the past. Now he's just out blaspheming our Lord and his Word. And so, yeah, I do find that to be disgusting filth, as you would If I spent 40 minutes talking about what a great man you were and how great I thought you were. Just this one thing I don't like, though. He just so happens to rape children and eat their organs. I think you'd probably find that disgusting filth as well.

[C]

Next, this is your post saying this is exactly what every globalist and leftist thinks, every single one. Regardless regarding the the turn that Tucker thinks we're making from unipolar to multipolar world, saying US can no longer be the sole author of the terms. We have to share power with China, Tom says, or try says, it's what every reasonable person thinks at this point. The limits of US power are embarrassingly obvious right now.

[B]

Well, I guess I'm unreasonable because I'm not really see this. What you're articulating, Tom, is why I'm not a libertarian. I think libertarians start from a flawed premise that human nature is bas good. And so there's always some kind of price point. There's always something that we can find commonality on, some exchange of assets, some transaction, some common will by which that we can buy the world a Coke. And I just don't agree with that. I don't think that's biblical. It doesn't align with my worldview. And so I just don't agree. How do you share power with China? How do you share power with a nation whose premises for its existence are the complete and total opposite of your own. I don't know what that looks like. And what I find ironic, by the way, is, you know who also thinks we should share power with China? The very neocon globalists that you're opposed to. They gave them most favored nation status. They propped up the Chinese regime. I mean, that's what they think. Because they also believe that human nature is basically good. Right. And so I just fundamentally don't agree with, with that. I don't know how you share power with kingdoms and principalities that have the opposite value system and belief system that you do. I'd be open to learning how that is. We've tried this, Tom. What you want, we have tried for a generation. What they did was steal our intellectual property. What we did is we outsourced all of our manufacturing to them. Now they have 75% of our even pharmaceutical and antibiotic supply chain. What did China give us in exchange for giving them back Hong Kong and everything else? A virus and unleashed it on the rest of us and were willing to shut down and essentially decimate and send us back to the Dark ages. So I think that's kind of a proof of concept that sharing power with them is not going to work. But I'm open to, this is a dialogue. I'm open to how that would look. But I think that this is just a wrong view of the world. I just don't agree with it fundamentally.

[C]

Steve, you just gave a remarkably restrained response because, number one, the framing is a leftist framing. It's not even an academically sound framing. Every reasonable person believes. Come on, come on. Who's a reasonable person? Is Xi Jinping a reasonable person? Who, by the way, I'm not even sure if he believes that at this point. He just saw all of his equipment, all of his high tech destroyed in Venezuela and Iran. Do you really think if you put the Wonder Woman lasso of the truth around Xi Jinping and said, today it's a multipolar world, you can exact your power and wield influence wherever you want, within your hemisphere, whenever you want, do you really believe. Now, maybe he's so deluded by communism that maybe he believes that. But ostensibly, one of the people who thinks, at least on paper, that this should be a multipolar world would be the Vladimir Putin's, would be the Xi Jinping. And those types of people just saw their power challenged very embarrassingly in the last four or five months.

[D]

Now, Tom is a reasonable guy. He is a smart guy. Steve's addressed him as such. But one of the idols you have to make sure you guard against is to not ultimately end up being too smart by half. And that's what this is. And there's another person in my own tribe, the leader of my own tribe, Pope Leo, who is falling for this exact same thing vis a vision, Islam. Cardinal Serra right now. Right now is saying something very different from the pope. He's saying Islam is like one of the dragons of the apocalypse. That's not something you share power with. All right? It may not be something you ever on this mortal coil defeat outright, but you don't share power with it. This is just a silly lie.

[B]

I think that was the last one, right, Aaron? We chose four. Correct.

[C]

There was one more, I believe.

[B]

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[C]

All right, final one. This is from Tom.

[B]

Oops.

[C]

We go to this where that Chinese quote, unquote Professor Zhang told Tucker Carlson the United States should abandon its role as a global hegemon and bully and seek an equal partnership with China, Russia, Iran. You say this guy literally lives in Beijing, this Professor Zhang, where of course, the free flow of news, opinion and thought is well known to be permitted, encouraged, even Tom says. But this is what any normal American who hasn't been propagandized by geriatric Fox News neocons wants. We want Pat Buchanan's foreign policy, not the gay crap Mark Levin is pushing.

[B]

Well, the Fox News neocons won't put me on the air. The only show on fire that ever put me on the air was Tucker Carlson on multiple occasions. Pat Buchanan, by the way, Pat Buchanan was in favor of the Obama Iran deal, which was a massive failure. And all the regime like Iran's going to do when you give him pallets of cash is just use it to buy more missiles from China and Russia that they're launching at all of our enemies, Jewish and Arab, as we speak. So that deal was a colossal failure. Pat Buchanan was wrong. I don't agree with Mark Levin on Ukraine. I don't believe Russia was ever going to be under Putin, the new Soviet Union. I don't think we should have spent a nickel or dime on Ukraine whatsoever. So, see, again, I don't have a narrative. I'm just looking at what is true. I don't have a narrative. My world is not as simple as Mark Levin vs. Pat Buchanan, but it's way more complicated than that, complicated by sin. And therefore it requires the nuance and distinctions and adulting demanded and guided by the word of God. And that's what I try to use to guide my worldview, not tribal chieftains or one group that I'm against as opposed to to the other. I hope that this was a very constructive dialogue and you guys got something out of it. And thank you for enduring all the technical issues here today. All right. God bless. We'll see you tomorrow. Go hard. Romans 8, 28.