Spencer Pratt Proved 2 VERY Important Truths | Guest: Glenn Beck | 6/9/26

Summary

Steve Deace Show Episode Summary

Episode: Spencer Pratt Proved 2 VERY Important Truths
Guest: Glenn Beck
Date: June 9, 2026
Network: Blaze Podcast Network

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Overview

This episode of the Steve Deace Show dives into principles for moving conservatism forward in an era of “generational damage”—with a heavy focus on issues like immigration, American decline, election integrity, the spiritual and cultural state of the nation, and the importance of pushing back through education and strategic action. The conversation is especially driven by commentary on the aftermath of Spencer Pratt’s campaign in Los Angeles, the seeming futility of conservative engagement in deep-blue urban centers, and a frank conversation with Glenn Beck about Iran, Israel, American resolve, and teaching the next generation.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Immigration, Citizenship, and the American Crisis

Timestamps: 00:01–17:20

• DOJ Denaturalization Cases (00:01): DOJ revoking citizenship of 17 legal immigrants who committed serious crimes such as sex offenses and fraud. Steve frames this as a small start, urging more systemic action.

  • “17 individuals is a small number, but it’s a good start to curtail the abuse of our country’s legal immigration system.” — Steve Dace (00:35)

• Immigration Moratorium Advocacy (08:56): Todd and Steve argue for halting all immigration—including legal, H1-B, asylum—claiming the U.S. cannot properly vet, assimilate, or safely manage further influxes.

  • “We have to stop any more of what’s happening... There needs to be an all-out immigration moratorium.” — Todd Erzin (09:46)
  • Analogy to airplane oxygen mask: Fix home first before helping others (13:51).

• Vetting Challenges and National Security (11:00): Skepticism toward the government’s vetting process for asylum seekers, especially from regions with complex religious dynamics (Nigeria, Somalia).

  • “Are we capable of even a 50% clip… given how intermingled that entire culture is?” — Steve Dace (10:35)

• American Cultural Fragility (15:10): Alarm that 55% of Democrats “wish they lived somewhere other than America,” using this to argue for closing immigration, boosting birthrates, and refocusing on American priorities.

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2. Election Integrity, Strategic Withdrawal, and the “Pratt Moment”

Timestamps: 17:58–29:51

• LA Mayoral Election and Voter Integrity (17:58): Discussion of alleged open fraud and manipulation in the LA mayor’s race, including mail-in ballot swings and ballot harvesting.

  • “They’re just cheating in broad daylight.” — Todd Erzin (23:52)
  • ChatGPT couldn’t find historical precedent for third-place finisher surging past others via mail-ins.

• Lessons from Spencer Pratt’s Campaign (18:15):

  • Messaging Masterclass: “He put on a messaging clinic… the cleverness of the messaging, the ability to make everything go viral… always on offense.” — Steve Dace (18:22)
  • Kick the Dust Off: Shift to recognizing when some battles are unwinnable and energy is better spent elsewhere (25:42). Analogy to biblical precedent—”casting pearls before swine”—and the Pilgrims’ move for agency and freedom.

• Strategic Relocation (25:58): Encouragement for conservatives “trapped” in un-winnable blue cities to consider relocating their resources and votes to more competitive or red states.

• Long-Term Outlook: Acknowledgement that, one day, conservatives must compete for cities—but only after solidifying stronghold states.

  • “Eventually we will have to contend for the cities… but right now, those hills are fortified… We now have to go fortify the hills that we do occupy.” — Steve Dace (28:43)

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3. Interview: Glenn Beck on Iran, Israel, and American Resolve

Timestamps: 31:34–46:55

Iran, Negotiation, and Political Will

• On Debate Within the Movement:

  • Steve voices unease at the loss of nuance in online discourse, especially on Israel/Iran, fearing bad actors will co-opt genuine concerns (33:44).
  • “We’re not even operating here in a fair environment anymore…” — Steve Dace (33:33)

• Glenn Beck’s Foreign Policy Philosophy:

  • “Take it for what it is today because none of us know… I’m not going to give a blank check to the President… but we should have those arguments behind closed doors.” — Glenn Beck (33:44)
  • Beck cautions against feeding propaganda to adversaries and urges deferring to the president’s negotiation approach, highlighting Trump’s use of unpredictability as a negotiating posture.

• Iran’s Ideological Enemy Status:

  • Beck argues the regime’s theocratic, apocalyptic motives make negotiation impossible: “You can’t negotiate with demoniacs.” (38:26)
  • On what he’d do: Empower Iranians internally (“do everything Reagan did in Poland… get in there and do as much as you possibly can to empower the people”) (38:26–39:20).

• Israel and the U.S. Alliance:

  • “Israel is just way more unified and resolved as a people than we are right now.” — Todd Erzin (41:07)
  • Beck is adamant that Israel will act in its own interests and criticizes rising antisemitism on the right: “They’re in league with the devil. They really are. It’s satanic, what is happening.” (42:17)
  • Rebukes the assertion that Trump is led by Netanyahu, calling such talk “Jew bashing” and urging critics to admit their opposition is to Trump, not Israel or Jews. (43:39)

American Renewal: Education as the “Torch”

• The Torch250 Project (44:30):
  • Beck introduces the “Torch” as an education initiative—why teaching founding principles and history is essential for renewal.
    • “Humans are driven by story. They’ve destroyed our story. We must replace it.” (45:23)
  • Songs on the Bill of Rights, history audiobooks, and other curriculum—all geared to help restore a sense of American identity and agency.
    • “You cannot save your country if you don’t know what you’re saving.” (46:46)

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4. Fake News or Not: Analyzing Viral Claims & Conservative Narratives

Timestamps: 52:37–77:58

Immigration & Western Decline

• On Vice President J.D. Vance’s Statement about Henry Nowak:

  • Both Steve and Todd agree Vance’s comments about migration and the West’s crisis are accurate (“not fake news,” 54:46).
  • Extended riff on “the Church of Hell” and why progressives and Islamist movements unite in civilizational subversion (57:00).

• Reagan’s Cold War Legacy (60:01):

  • Steve and Todd debate Reagan’s controversial legacy, especially amnesty—the consensus is that, while Reagan’s amnesty had huge consequences, the historical context and his Cold War achievements must be weighed.
    • “Nostalgia is emotional, tradition is aspirational.” — Steve Dace (65:45)

• Joel Berry on Immigration as a Welfare Problem (66:53):

  • Todd and Aaron see this as “fake news” on a technicality—they believe the deeper issue is political will, not just welfare magnets.

The Widowing of Erica Kirk & Online Abuse

• Dana Loesch’s Defense of Erica Kirk (Widow of Charlie Kirk):
  • Both Steve and Todd decry the vilification and online tormenting of Charlie Kirk’s widow as profoundly anti-Christian and indicative of the rot in the online right (71:43).
    • “There are ostensibly hundreds of thousands if not millions of people out there who consumed the content of the torment, the abuse of Erica Kirk… we’re not clearing the lowest of low bars, just as human beings.” — Steve Dace (74:43)
  • Outrage at anonymous social media accounts attacking Erica Kirk—Todd and Steve both advocate for increased accountability online (76:19).

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5. Pop Culture Tuesday: He-Man, Nostalgia, & Cultural Decay

Timestamps: 78:09–94:18

• He-Man Movie Bombs at Box Office (78:09):

  • Despite good reviews and “right-wing masculinity,” the He-Man movie is a massive commercial flop.
  • Todd argues that grown men retreating into children’s franchises is symptomatic of a failed, comfort-obsessed culture (“They need to feel like they’re an 8-year-old boy again… This is an idol that needs to be smashed.” — Todd Erzin, 85:20).
  • Aaron, as a young father, says that the superhero archetype has been commodified beyond meaning—it no longer inspires heroism, merely consumption (89:31).
    • “We’re tinkering with forces that we don’t understand, when we treat these meta narratives as just consumable products… You’re doing something to the soul.” — Aaron McIntyre

• Contrast with Independent Horror Films: Steve observes that nihilistic independent horror now outperform childhood-hero franchises— a sign of shifting and darkening cultural tides.

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Notable Quotes

• “We have to turn the spigot off. We have to stop digging. The climb out of this hole is a herculean task.”— Todd Erzin (08:56)
• “There does come a moment where you just have to move on. This isn’t happening here. They’re cheating in wide open, broad daylight.” — Steve Dace (23:51)
• “You can’t negotiate with demoniacs.”— Glenn Beck (37:48)
• “If we don’t win this larger argument right now, we’re not going to get to even have any more of those other arguments.” — Steve Dace (57:02)
• “Nostalgia is emotional, tradition is aspirational. And those aren’t always the same things.” — Steve Dace (65:45)
• “We’re tinkering with forces that we don’t understand, when we treat these meta narratives… as just consumable products. You’re doing something to the soul when you treat them like that.” — Aaron McIntyre (89:31)

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Episode Highlights & Memorable Moments

• Glenn Beck’s Emotional Plea: Beck passionately lays out the urgent need for American self-education as a bulwark against cultural decline (45:23).
• Widow Defense: A fiery, heartfelt segment on the abuse of Erica Kirk and the sickness of online right-wing subculture (71:43–77:58).
• He-Man’s Failure as Cultural Autopsy: The crew’s wry demolishing of nostalgia-driven pop culture and its failure to produce or inspire real manliness—a recurring theme paralleling political renewal.

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Key Timestamps

• 00:01–17:20 — Immigration, asylum, and American cultural priorities
• 17:58–29:51 — LA election integrity, Spencer Pratt, lessons for the Right
• 31:34–46:55 — Glenn Beck interview: Iran, Trump, education & the future
• 52:37–77:58 — Fake News or Not: Immigration, Reagan, Joel Berry, Erica Kirk
• 78:09–94:18 — Pop Culture Tuesday: He-Man, masculinity, and cultural decline

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Conclusion

This episode of the Steve Deace Show weaves sharp conservative commentary with cultural autopsy and religious perspectives, urging a pause from doomed battles and a recommitment to education, local agency, and transmission of meaningful tradition. The conversation with Glenn Beck is a highlight, connecting foreign affairs to spiritual and cultural renewal. The show’s tone is unapologetically snarky yet earnest—a call to “put your own oxygen mask on first,” protect the American experiment, and refuse the comfort of nostalgia when action is needed.

Transcript

[Steve Dace]

Hey, it's the Steve Day show. And here's what happened while we were away, brought to you by Little Strokes on Great Oaks. The Department of Justice this week announced they're starting denaturalization procedures on 17 individuals they say legally immigrated to the United States but forfeited their citizenship privileges by committing several serious crimes. Those being subject to having their US Citizenship revoked hail from various nations, including China, Colombia, Congo, Cuba, Haiti, India, Jamaica and Somalia. And their several crimes include sex crimes against minors, various frauds, including H1B, visa fraud, conspiracy and other serious crimes. 17 individuals is a small number, but it's a good start to curtail the abuse of our country's legal immigration system. President Trump became the first sitting US President to attend an NBA Finals game last night. Watching the tilt between the New York Knicks and the San Antonio Spurs. After the game, Trump gave an update on where things stand with Israel, Iran, the US and the ongoing explosive but somewhat peaceful ceasefire.

[Todd Erzin]

I don't think there are any sticking points. I think we're very, we're, we're very close to having a very, very good, strong, powerful deal. If we go and bomb, which we can do very easily if we want, and we spend another two or three weeks bombing, they'll have nothing left whatsoever. But you won't have the strait open for months. If we do the bombing, you know a lot of people are going to be killed. Who wants to do that? I don't. And we'll get, we'll have signed document that's actually stronger than doing the bombing.

[Steve Dace]

Those comments came after Iran or attacks from Iranian territory targeted Israel for the first time since the start of the supposed ceasefire. Israel responded and then the two sides called off ongoing strikes. CENTCOM this morning confirmed an American Apache attack helicopter went down near the Strait of Hormuz. The helicopter's crew was thankfully rescued within two hours as the cause of the crash remains under investigation. In California, seven days after the so called election day in the LA mayoral primary, the Associated Press called the race for second place finisher in the jungle primary for Nithya Raman. The woman polling in third place for weeks, who finished a distant third on election night and was seen crying on election night, will now advance to the general election against incumbent Karen Bass. Late arriving mail ballots swung mysteriously heavy towards Nithya Raman as her splits in some dumps put her ahead of Karen Bass. Lest you think anything untoward's happening in Los Angeles, here's Veep to explain what's really happening.

[Aaron McIntyre]

Breaking news out of Nevada. Acting On a tip U.S. justice Department deputies. An estimated 10,000 uncounted mail in ballots from last week's collection in the house of this man, 54 year old US postal worker Vance Otlow.

[Steve Dace]

Look at this.

[Aaron McIntyre]

Guy had grown more erratic following post office closures last year by the meijer Postal Commission.

[Steve Dace]

10,000 ballots from a district with an

[Glenn Beck]

empirically high applied demography value.

[Aaron McIntyre]

I don't know what you're saying, but you keep doing that math stuff. Kent.

[Steve Dace]

The main senatorial primary is today. Democrat Graham Platner, the man with more Nazi tattoos than talents and more scandals than tattoos, says, if I had my way, if I had my way, elections would last two months, they would be publicly funded, and if a billionaire looked the TV ad the wrong way, we'd put him in jail. If you want to hear 200 proof, brain rot, listen to this Platner supporter Totenko tattoo.

[Aaron McIntyre]

The Nazi tattoo.

[Todd Erzin]

What? Like what? How do you kind of.

[Aaron McIntyre]

Somebody said that they talked to somebody who, who had seen one of those or wore one of those and it was silver and it didn't even occur to him that it was the same thing. I think people are making as much of it as they can. These don't have a lot of substance around anything else. And if they did, we'd hear about it, believe me. They are trolling for dirt. What if he had like a Israeli

[Todd Erzin]

flag tattoo or something?

[Aaron McIntyre]

Would that be a deal breaker for me?

[Glenn Beck]

Yeah,

[Aaron McIntyre]

honestly. Yeah, that would be Israeli. Yeah. Because I don't support genocide in the

[Steve Dace]

world of college football. Texas Tech star Brendan Sorsby has been granted a temporary injunction against the NCAA that could clear the way for him to play for the Red Raiders in 2026. Even after the transfer quarterback was declared ineligible for wagering on college sports. A Texas judge granted Scoresby a preliminary injunction Monday that prevents the NCAA from punishing him for violating its rules on sports gambling. Scoresby was ruled ineligible by the NCAA after it discovered he had wagered approximately $90,000 on professional and college sports over four years and including 40 bets involving Indiana football when he was a freshman with the Hoosiers in 2022. The NCAA denied Texas Tech's appeal for reinstatement on Friday. According to new data from Gallup. Americans view of the morality of so called gender changing is at an all time new low. A still too low 57% saying it's morally wrong and a still too high 38% saying it's morally acceptable behavior. And finally, this from the Babylon Bee pride parade. Forced to change direction after a route takes it within 200 yards of a school. That's what happened while we were away.

[Todd Erzin]

So was anything constructive about this LA mayor's race that they're just stealing right out in the open? Another reminder, we need just an all out immigration moratorium. And I'll say this again for the folks in the back, any terms of any Iran deal simply do not matter. They're all just words on a page depending what you're willing to do to enforce them. We'll get into that and more here next on the Steve Day Show. And greetings. Happy Tuesday. Welcome to the Steve Day show here live and on demand. I'm Steve Dase alongside Todd erzin and Aaron McIntyre. Good to see you gentlemen. Hope you had a good and enjoyable long weekend. We're brought to you by our friends over at Preborn and I think I might have told you guys this, had a chance to meet the grand poobah of A preborn in D.C. just a few weeks ago and he raved about this audience and how generous you guys have been. So let's keep doing it here because there's no greater cause than the cause of life. Go to preborn.com Steve. Make your tax deductible donation today. And what I love about pre born is it's not just they understand now in the post Roe era, we are literally waging soul to soul to soul combat right now. They were already ready for that meeting women where they're at who are considering the murder of their own children and trying to turn them from murderer to mama. And you can do that for as little as 28 bucks. You can fund an ultrasound that may convict a mom today to become one. But then also they understand now it's not just that simple as hey, well done, you know, muy bien, good luck to you. They're now there to help that new family get started off on the right foot with practical things like car seats, diapers, intimate things like, like counseling. All of this stuff, by the way, is free. But that's where you and I come in because it's not really. And so we make it free with our generosity. Make your tax deductible donation today to preborn.com Steve again, that's preborn.com Steve.

[Steve Dace]

All right.

[Todd Erzin]

Coming up on today's show, our friend and colleague Glenn Beck is going to actually join us. I'm going to save any more talk of the Iran thing, which Aaron just continues to include to annoy me by his own admission. But I'm going to save any more talk of this for Glenn coming up in the next segment. We'll get into that with him as well as what he's got going on right now for America 250. Coming up next hour, we're going to play another game of fake news or not. And then Pop Culture Tuesday. Todd ears and has received his wish. The he man film is going to be it might end up being the biggest box office flop of the year, despite the fact that all the reviews actually say it's a fairly right wing film and all the left wing companies detest it. All right. But I'm sure Todd will be happy anyway, so we'll get into that with Pop Culture Tuesday coming up in the final segment of the show. All right, but the story, let's start with the story of the H1B visas and the enforcement there. Hey, I voted for that. I appreciate 18, but we have as many H1B visas in this country right now as we do college grads on unemployment in the hundreds of thousands. The problem that we have here is just going to take and this seems to be kind of a reoccurring theme. It's just going to take way more radical solutions than I think most people are prepared for or most people I think have even contemplated. How in the world would you vet hundreds of thousands of H1 current H1B, you know, visa owners in your country to make sure they're on the up and up? That's going to be a pretty herculean chore. But what do they say, Todd, about the, you know, when you're in a hole, what's the first thing you do?

[Unnamed Guest]

Well, stop digging.

[Todd Erzin]

Yeah. You put the shovel down. Right. Okay. We have to turn the spigot off. We have to stop digging. The climb out of this hole is a herculean task. The climb out of this hole is a six month CrossFit regimen. This is not a one fell swoop, even one fell election cycle maneuver. There's generational damage that has been done here. And so it's at least going to take some time to dig out of it. The first thing we have to do is we have to put down the shovel. How do we do that? We're just gonna have an all out immigration moratorium before we can go and fix what's already gotten into the country that shouldn't be here. We have to stop any more of what's happening. Right.

[Unnamed Guest]

Is it a problem that Republican establishment will fight us as hard on that as Democrats will?

[Todd Erzin]

Well, this is another reoccurring problem that we Have, I mean it's just, this is just simple, you know, this is just simple mechanics, simple physics. If you're trying to, you know, when you have a leak instead of, you know, fixing the structure of the boat, stop the leak, then you have time to fix the structure of the boat. We have to stop this influx. We have to stop. We have a legal. The legal immigration issue is every bit the problem as the illegal immigration issue was and remains. Because you're not only now just a haven for scammers, but we are importing voluntarily now foreign gods and worldviews at a crisis level, event pace and we have been for the last 20 years. We have to stop that. There needs to be an all out immigration moratorium. And yes, I mean I'm going to be even really strict on asylum cases. I have no way. Look at how many. Look at our brothers getting slaughtered in Nigeria right now. Let me ask you and Todd, let me ask you an Aaron, would you be able to tell or screen or know at Even, let's say 50% clip who that comes here in Nigeria and files for asylum is not a Muslim or really is an oppressed Christian. Do you think we are capable of vetting that? And even a 50% clip half a planet away, given how intermingled that entire culture is, do you think we're capable of something like that or do you think, how about this? Are we capable of even if we did like a direct pipeline to a church, right, like Franklin Graham or somebody like that comes back and says I just was at this church, preach there. All right? And we go and just get, get a couple hundred people from this church. Are we sure 3, 4, 5 Islamist simps don't slip in there and end up coming here and becoming terrorists right here on our home soil. Am I too paranoid? Are these legitimate concerns? What I'm asking these questions, of course

[Unnamed Guest]

they're legitimate because the answer to the question are we capable of no matter what the topic is is almost certainly no. So I'm with you, Aaron.

[Steve Dace]

There's no way, I don't think in this current, I mean we don't have the luxury of asking whether or not we're being paranoid. Did you see what happened on the streets of Belfast the other night? That's now trending globally. Dude, I can't remember what country he's from, but it was a Congo or

[Unnamed Guest]

something like that, I think Somalia wasn't it?

[Steve Dace]

Was it? Somalia, Somalia, Somalia. Fresh off, you know, fresh into the country. He tried to behead someone on the streets of Belfast as in Ethiopia. This is what I was thinking. Ethiopia, another slaughter of Christians. We don't have the luxury of preening about whether or not we're being paranoid. We just don't. So, no, it's not paranoia. It's just. It would seem like it's simple one plus one math. Yeah, we should probably shut off all of the spigots everywhere.

[Unnamed Guest]

Our.

[Todd Erzin]

Our pastor Jesse gave a fantastic sermon on what it means on who's your neighbor on Sunday? A fantastic sermon. And the point that he made is he held up this device and said, this device is making you think that you are responsible for the entire planet. I know you're not. You're not. You're not. You can't be. It's not possible. You're not God. You can't know everything. You can't do everything. We just can't be empathetic about literally everything. We just aren't afforded that luxury. We're not omniscient beings. We're not transcendent beings. And when you're on a flight and before it takes off. Right. They always go through in the unlikelihood, the following thing should happen. Right. If disaster were to strike your flight. Right. Okay. And what do they always tell you about when the mask comes down? What to do with your mask first? What do they always tell you to do?

[Unnamed Guest]

Put yours on first.

[Todd Erzin]

Put yours on first. Now, why do they tell you to do that, do you think?

[Unnamed Guest]

Because you can't help anybody else unless you're capable of functioning? Yeah.

[Todd Erzin]

Yeah. I mean, if your breathing is not secured, you're not going to be able to help the elderly, the infirmed, the youth with theirs. I mean, you're a dying vessel, correct?

[Unnamed Guest]

Yes.

[Todd Erzin]

Does that analogy not apply here? Yeah, we have to fix things here first. We have to. And this somewhat ties into the Iran thing. You know, the Israelis defended themselves as a nation just fine. 1948, 1967. I mean, we didn't have armadas off the coast, you know, off the Strait of Hormuz for the yom Kippur War of 67. I mean, they're totally fine defending themselves. I think we don't want them to defend themselves because we're trying to balance this Arab coalition at the same time. And it would be very difficult to do that. I think. We think anyway, if we just let the Israelis loose and let them do their own thing and run their country the way they want to, and we got to take care of ours. But we'll get into that more with Glenn later. But we have to we've got to fix our own issues. And to me that starts with stuff like an all out immigration moratorium. We have enough people that we've taken in. We need to prioritize our own culture. We need to prioritize our own birth rates. And right now, right now, 55% of Democrats told Elon University yesterday they wish they lived somewhere other than America. Did you guys see that poll?

[Unnamed Guest]

Yes.

[Todd Erzin]

55% of Democrats told Elon University yesterday they wish they lived somewhere other than America. How do you share a country with something like that? I don't think that you can. And we just have too many issues here at home. We have to tackle our issues here at home. We have to. And the first issue we have to tackle is we have allowed a literal invasion to take place over the last couple of decades and the President's done a phenomenal job shutting off the illegal immigration valve. We need to shut off the entire immigration valve. The entire immigration valve needs to be shut off. I need, I'm going to need the business community to prove to me that we really do need Indian foreigners to come here and essentially invade the city of Dallas because we just don't have enough science and math students here in America. I'm going to need them to prove it to me. I'm going to need it. It might be true. I'm not necessarily that high on what our education system has done, but I think it's time to start proving some of these things fair. I'd like to see. I've got to believe in a nation of 380 million people, there still exists somewhere the residual know how to maintain our current expectations as a country without mass importation of foreign influences and cultures to essentially invite them to invade America. And if that's not true, then at that point then I'm just not as interested in saving America as I previously was. Because then it's not what worth saving? Yeah, it's not saving. It's not America. It's another country. It's not America. It's a landmass with relics and flags. But it's. I mean it's BAAL worship compared to my worldview. So what is the point? Thoughts?

[Steve Dace]

That's the moderate position most likely. I mean, heck, did you see this the other day? The H1B visa scams that broke the seal on Fox News. The Overton window shifted far enough on Fox News. They did an entire segment on the fraud of H1B visas. Hopefully that's a sign of things to come. But it's I mean, I think I saw the stats. It was some ungodly figure of H1B visa claims from the largest applicant of H1B visas, which is India. Some number way above 50% believed to be fraudulent, just totally based on fraud.

[Unnamed Guest]

Well, I just like to comment by reminding everybody that I my crowdfunding continues to get my Loki, we were paid, we were made to be ruled tattoo right here. Because that's what Steve is telling you right there. Unless we change.

[Todd Erzin]

So this brings me to what happened in LA and the whole idea of we have plenty of problems here at home. I think Spencer Pratt's campaign did an invaluable service on two fronts. Number one, he put on a messaging clinic that is going to have to be studied and emulated by our side for the foreseeable future. I mean, what he did with modern technology, the cleverness of the messaging, the ability to make everything go viral, the understanding that you have to consistently, as Aaron, you pointed out about a week or so ago, you got to prime this pump and consistently be feeding it content. They were always on offense. You never saw them take a defensive posture the entire time. I mean technically this was an incredible campaign that I think we would be very wise to study in the years moving forward here as non communist America, what's left of America. I think they did everything correct to even be in a position for what I'm about to say with my second point. I think what you're seeing is there is a moment where we kick the dust off our sandals and move on to the next town. No one has ever loved us more than Jesus has and no one ever will. But there's a thing, you know, when you read the Gospels, you're going to notice a trend. It's kind of hard to miss. In fact, you kind of have to try to miss it because makes you uncomfortable if you do. You know, we've had. This entire era of American evangelical church liturgy has largely been about with, with a few exceptions, but collectively has been driven by being seeker sensitive rather than savior sensitive. And, and it's largely been. It's largely been been formed around and planned around the people who aren't here and the people who may never come, rather than the people who are and equipping the saints that are there for the work of the ministry, as Paul says. Here's the funny thing about that though. There's a very funny thing about that. It turns out that church model is anathema to how the Lord himself conducted ministry and evangelism when he was on this earth for three and a half years. I mean, it's not like we have like a public record of how he did things, how he behaved, how he performed that we could like go back and read and look at and study. Like I was just saying, let's study Spencer Bratt's campaign tactics and his team. Outstanding teams, campaign tactics. So there's a lot we can learn moving forward, right? Given how corrupt that city is, to even put be put in the position to expose what he did for the last few months is an incredible accomplishment. But we do have a blueprint. And the blueprint that our Lord left us was. Here's the thing. There isn't a single time in the Gospels, not one, not a single time, that when someone rejects Christ or demonstrates a hardening of their heart towards him, that he does anything at all to get them to reconsider a big fat 04 Gospels never happens once, never happens one time. Contemplate the meaning of that because it's anathema to how we've done church in America for the last generation. Collectively, everyone. God was permitted to be offended whenever we couldn't offend the unbeliever. We could offend God, but not the unbeliever. And yet our Lord, who gave his life for us, every drop of blood, sweat and tears that he had for us, never once, never once, when someone exhibits a hardened heart or a turning away, never once says, oh, come back. I'll water down the message for you next time. Have you seen my slam and praise team? Oh man, we've got this incredible new light display. It's a banger. Never happens one time once. By the way, who preached on hell more than anybody in the entire Bible? Who did it? Jesus did. That's. That begs a question, doesn't it? The one who preached on hell more than any other figure in the Bible does is also the one who never once, never once when you harden your heart towards him, decides I've got to come up with something more clever and genuine to change your mind. There does come a moment where you just have to move on. This isn't happening here. They're cheating in wide open, broad daylight. Did you guys see Robbie Starbucks post over the weekend that he asked ChatGPT for one example when anyone that finished in third place on election day came back to qualify for a runoff or finish first in mail in ballots and it couldn't chat. GPT could not come up with a single example in American history of this.

[Unnamed Guest]

This is not my shock face, what

[Todd Erzin]

you're watching happening in LA right now. They're just cheating in broad daylight. They just are. I mean, whole communities coming in. There's like no Spencer Profit. Same thing we saw in 2020. We'd see all these mail in ballots come in and they'd often not vote for another candidate and they just were voting for Joe Biden alone. At worst, it's the, at best, it's the most, it's the worst and most cynical forms of ballot harvesting you could imagine. That's the, that's the best we can say about it. Just getting homeless, retards, nitwits and drug addicts. But I repeat myself and just ballot harvesting through them to fix an election. Okay, that's the, that's the best that's happening here. And I think what we learned through this campaign is we're, we're kicking the dust off your sandal time here, guys. Every dollar you waste on California, you can't spend somewhere else. Or at least, at least on la. There's some very strong red pockets in California. But every dollar you spend on la, we can't spend it somewhere else. Every dollar you spend on New York City, we can't spend it somewhere else. Every dollar you spend on Seattle, Washington, we can't spend it somewhere else. And I know we've brought this up in the past, we talked about this quite a bit a few years ago. People lost their minds about us discussing this at the time. But the irony is, you know, we're going to celebrate here in a few weeks the 250th birthday of a certain country. What's the origin story of that country? People who strategically moved for freedom is the origin story of the country. People who strategically moved. What you need to understand is if you live in la, you have been told your citizenship is null and void and you'll have absolutely no, you'll have no non violent agency whatsoever to assert it. None. I mean, that is what the King of England and the Church of England told the Puritans, which is why they jumped on this boat and left. Because they got the message. That's why they did that. That is the story of how a lot of people came to America originally, how the colonies were formed. People got the message they were not going to have agency where they were, so they strategically moved to where they would. And I don't know, I mean, we could probably use a few more red voters in Georgia, Pennsylvania, North Carolina, right?

[Unnamed Guest]

Yes.

[Todd Erzin]

And I just think we have to understand, are we wasting our citizenship in some of these places? If you are in a place where there is not a non violent means by which you're agency as a free American can be asserted. I would answer the question is yes. And violence is not your next option because there's all kinds of places where you could go and, and nonviolently assert your agency. Correct?

[Unnamed Guest]

You could, yes.

[Todd Erzin]

That is not how again, that's how the country was founded. It was founded by people who strategically moved to assert their agency. I think, I think what, what it's, it's an incredible credit to Spencer Pratt that he made them do this. Him and his team made them do this. As ham fisted, as shoehorned and as obvious as Banana Republic like as they are doing right now. He made them do that because of the ingenuity of his campaign. But the uncomfortable and so props to all of them. But the uncomfortable conversation is what happens next? Right. When am I casting my pearls into swine? I'm just wasting my. And save me your stories. I know grandma's sick. I got it. That's not going to be everybody there. How many people is grandma sick or I have a business. How many is that going to be?

[Unnamed Guest]

Excuses are what we do.

[Todd Erzin]

You're just wasting your citizenship in these places.

[Unnamed Guest]

That's an American pastime though, so.

[Todd Erzin]

Well, Steve, what if we were discussing as a family, are we gonna be able to stay here if we lose the next governor's election? We've had those conversations. We don't know. We may have to. Moving sucks, you know, it sucks more not being free. At least I would hope it would. I hope it would suck more because there's a lot of places in America that could use your. That wants to. That want to give you agency and could use your vote and use your support as opposed to casting your pearls onto swine in these communities where it's very clear they're just going to do everything it takes in order to impose on you and take your agency, freedom and liberty away. Gentlemen, what are your thoughts?

[Unnamed Guest]

It's amazing how much your commentary on California resembles your commentary on Iran. I mean you can't negotiate with demoniacs.

[Todd Erzin]

Don't quote laws to men with guns. Aaron. Don't do that.

[Steve Dace]

Eventually we will have to contend for the cities. We will. We're in a battle right now. And the difference between this era and the founding era that you just so eloquently pointed out, the difference between this era and that is that there is no new world to go to. So eventually those hills are going to be, are going to have to be retaken they are. But right now, those hills are fortified. Right now, those hills, you are surrounded on those hills. So we now have to go fortify the hills that we do occupy. And only once red states truly are as red as they can possibly go, then we can start to consider what it looks like taking back the blue cities and taking back those hills. And right now, I just don't see strategically, I don't see any possibility of that happening.

[Unnamed Guest]

The Pratt story is a lot like the Steve Day principled but very, very provocative. But listen, if there's no justice for Steve Dace on YouTube, if, if the Republican won't share your books that are like on Covid, even though it was number one, they wouldn't share them. If there's no consequences. Man spent you, you know, the Spencer Pratt story. You've lived it.

[Todd Erzin]

What is a way out of Iran? We'll get into that with Glenn Beck and more next. Stay tuned.

[Glenn Beck]

The Steve Day show.

[Todd Erzin]

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[Glenn Beck]

Yeah, great, Steve, how are you?

[Todd Erzin]

I'm doing very, very well.

[Glenn Beck]

Tell you, I, I probably hear once every couple of months how grateful people are because somebody just came up to me just like last week and said, I can't thank you for, for Nefarious and all that, you know, like, dude, I had nothing to do. I had nothing. That's all. Steve. I, I hear about Nefarious all the time.

[Todd Erzin]

Great.

[Glenn Beck]

And I just, Tanya and I were just talking about just the other night what a great actor you had playing the, the lead role. He was just great. It was perfect.

[Todd Erzin]

That would be Sean Patrick Flannery. So thank you very much, brother. Greatly appreciate that. So had a 16 hour meeting yesterday to see if we're going to be able to pull this thing off again. But that. We'll talk about that another time. Let's, yeah, let's, let's. Some more pressing matters and the Iran issue, before we get to how we win. Can I just get your take as a man of wisdom here in our industry, what I'm struggling with, I can be pretty blunt, but I find myself self editing in ways I never have before, particularly where issues involving Iran and Israel and even Trump are concerned. I'll give you an example why. So a couple weeks ago, the president reiterated his remark, you know, that we need all these Chinese college students to keep the universities afloat. And I put out a statement in response to that, said, listen, I'm one of the 78 million people that voted for the president last election. I'm guessing maybe six of us agree with this, right? And all of a sudden, you know, one of these nihilistic operatives on our side who wanted to forget that I lived for the last eight months, Glenn, suddenly now this person wants to pick up this message and forward it as a hammer and cudgel against the president. And I realized, you know what, you know, we're not even operating here in a fair environment anymore. And so like on social media, there's like several topics I won't address on social media that I talk about bluntly here on this show because I'm concerned that in that environment right now, we're incapable of having any kind of a nuance. I have a lot of concerns about what we're doing in Iran and how we're going to get out, but I'm not sure how in the world to have that conversation. On social media, Glenn, without it getting, frankly hijacked and going in a direction I don't really want it to go. What are your thoughts on that?

[Glenn Beck]

So, you know, I haven't found myself self censoring, as you know, as you have. I probably would have been wiser to do that. I'm trying to stay out of things like Iran in this way. My counsel has been since the first day. I wouldn't have made this decision. I wouldn't have made this decision. And maybe that's why I'm not president, because, you know, I wouldn't have had the guts to do it. But my, my counsel has been take it for what it is today because none of us know. I don't have more information than, you know, what we're seeing online. I don't know what's even true. There is, there is all kinds of propaganda happening from both sides. And the last thing I want to do is be a tool in the hands of our enemy. And they are both foreign and domestic. I'm not going to give a blank check to the President on this. I'm not going to. I'm not for ground troops. When you said, you know, what do we do? I don't know, Steve. I don't know. I know what we cannot do, and that is we can have all of the arguments we want and all the arguments we need to, but we should have those behind closed doors. We're in the middle of negotiation and the only thing that Iran has going for it is time. And that time is, is short, actually. But it's. They're betting that they can last longer than Trump can keep the country together. And I think all of our enemies are doing that right now. Everybody is. They've got a finger in the dike and they're like, just a little more time. I almost have America where she needs to be. We've got all of these people pushing, pushing, pushing it. Just give me more time and this thing will turn around. The Democrats are doing that. Just give us. Just get us to the election. Iran is doing that. Just get us to the election. And so it bothers me when we are feeding that beast. We should, you know, the reason why the President says such horrible things online about, you know, you crazy bastards, the reason why he tweets that is because he knows who he's negotiating with. He's negotiating with crazy bastards. And so he has to send a message to them. Oh, you think you're crazy. You have no idea what you're. I am not like any other President you've ever dealt with. I'm Batcrat crazy and I'll nuke you. He needs them to feel that from him. And so every time we get on and say, oh my gosh, the President, he can't do. He's not going to nuke them. I know the President. The one thing he is afraid of is nuclear weapons. He knows one nuclear weapon, tactical nuke, anywhere on Earth, it sets off a firestorm and we all die. He knows that. At least that's what he believes to the core of his being. He also hates war. So what is he doing? He is trying to negotiate. And I don't know if it's going to work. I don't know if any of this is going to work. But he believed that it had to be done. He wasn't doing it for any other purpose other than he is reshaping the entire world and controlling all of the choke points and moving everything to the Western hemisphere. That's what he's doing. Does it work? I don't know. But we hired him to do a job. I say we don't play into our enemy's hands.

[Todd Erzin]

Agree with that, but that's also why I'm concerned. And I also had concerns about this going in precisely because I do believe this is a demoniac regime that our own talking points claim that it is. I mean, they have proven this for decades. And so I don't know how you negotiate with that. Like, you don't.

[Glenn Beck]

You don't.

[Todd Erzin]

Like. Alfred once wisely told Bruce Wayne, some men just want to watch the world burn.

[Steve Dace]

Right.

[Todd Erzin]

And I think. I think the President does think that there's always a deal to be cut because he's maybe the greatest dealmaker in American history. And I do think that there's not always a deal to be cut. I think whatever terms of the deal we eventually may or may not get don't matter, are only our willingness to enforce them. Well, because they're going to. They're going to test those terms either right away or maybe wait till like two weeks before the midterm elections and then do it just to try to re. Inject themselves in there. And, and that's why I was worried about this going in, because I didn't see a way out. Right. That you. I don't see how you negotiate with them. They only respect fear and leverage.

[Glenn Beck]

So here's what I. If I. If I had a dream scenario, and I don't know if this could ever happen, but if I had a dream scenario, I would do Everything we could to arm the citizens of Iran or at least train them, at least do what everything that Reagan did with in Poland, you know, and in, in west or in East Germany. Get in there and do as much as you possibly can to empower the people. So the people rise up. The people, the Persian people, the Iranian people, are some of the best in the world. They're very highly educated, really good people. And if there's enough of them that want an end and they want to Westernize, that changes the entire dynamic of the Middle east. And many in the Middle east want that to happen as well. But he did not plan on the IRGC taking control. I did. You did. Because they believe they're going to usher in the Promised One. They believe, as does Vlad, as does Alexander Dugan, that the world has to be washed in blood and that Russia and Iran will, you know, meet there together and they'll work to conquer, you know, not only Israel, but all of the Western world because they think it's evil. And I, you know, the one thing that I, I don't know, because I haven't talked to him about it, is if he really understands that these are people that deeply believe that he or someone like him is the literal Antichrist and they are on this holy mission to bring back who I believe will be either the Antichrist or the, or the tool of the Antichrist. The army of the Antichrist is this Islamist army. And I'm not sure he believes that or knows that. I'm not saying he doesn't. I'm just not sure if he does because he's, he's much more of a material kind of world guy for the most part.

[Todd Erzin]

All right, one more question on this, then. I want to talk about summer 250 in the time we have left. One of the other. You use the term choke point, and I think one of the other choke points is the Israel relationship. And I say this as someone who has been as aggressive as almost anybody in pushing back on the emergence of anti Semitism on our side in the past year. But I also think there are some geopolitical realities, and one of them is that Israel as a nation is just way more unified and resolved as a people than we are right now. And they view this as. Well, that too, but this is a generational mission to them. And I, And I think even though they're. They're perhaps our greatest and closest ally in the world, I think we are unevenly yoked here. And I, I think that if, I think, if anything BB Is facing the opposite political pressure, which is, hey, you've been telling us about these people for 30 years. You were finally right on October 7th. You can't go to the grave without doing something about this or we're, or the next leader is going to. And I think that's kind of the political pressure that he is under. And that is not the same political pressure that we're under here. Local, here in our country, we're not as unified. We got 55% of Democrats saying in a poll yesterday they wish they lived somewhere else. Okay. I mean, we have a lot of systemic problems as a people we have to fix right now. And I think that is adding to some of this tension on the other side as well. Because the Israelis, I think, sense this is a generational moment for them to reset their, their, their situation.

[Glenn Beck]

Absolutely, you're absolutely right on this. But that doesn't excuse what's happening on the right with these agreed podcasters that are, are becoming so anti Semitic. I mean, they're in league with the devil. They really are.

[Todd Erzin]

I agree.

[Glenn Beck]

It's, it's satanic, what is happening. You know, you just need to understand what you just said is absolutely right. Look, Israel is not America and we're not Israel. And they will do what they feel is in their best interest. And if we were sitting there and Canada was doing this or Mexico was doing to us what is happening to them, no one in the world would stop us from bombing. We would bomb until they were all dead or out of power. One of the two. And that's where Israel is. They know these guys are serious. They. They are going to vaporize us at one point, and this is our chance to finish the job. But I do also believe that Donald Trump's not being led by the nose by Bibi Netanyahu. Donald Trump, you go ahead, tell me who could tell Donald Trump to sit down. No one on earth could do that. He is being very frank with Bibi Netanyahu and telling him, don't do it, don't do it, don't do this, do, do that. Whether Benjamin Netanyahu takes it or not is up to him. And anybody who says, oh, we're being led by the Jews, your problem is not the Jew. Your problem is, is Donald Trump. If you actually believe that, then the guy that you voted for, because he says what he means and means what he says, and he carries a big stick and nobody messes with him, you now believe he's being led by the nose by Israel. Well, what do you Think our State Department does. Our State Department goes over to every country in the world and says, you're going to play ball our way. You got to do it. Your problem is not. If you're in that country, you. Your problem is not with your leader. Your problem or your. Your problem shouldn't be with the State Department in America because that's what it's meant to do. Everybody, State Department. That's what they do. Your problem is with your leader. So stop with this Jew bashing. Say what you actually are afraid to say, and that is, I think Donald Trump is weak, and you're wrong on that. But that's what you're actually saying.

[Todd Erzin]

All right, we're in the summer of 250. I know you've got a lot of stuff going on this year. We've got three minutes for the Floor is Yours. Tell us all about you and I

[Glenn Beck]

both cut from the same cloth, Steve, you and I both know if we don't educate our society, if we don't get them to turn back to God and to first principles, we're doomed. It's not going to last. And I'm telling you, I just met with people all. I met with three prime ministers, one former prime minister and two other prime ministers while I was over in Europe. And I'm telling you, we are alone. We are alone in this battle. And all of our kids need to be educated. And so we're starting an education program with the Torch, which is why the Torch exists. It's not a new network. Blaze is already doing that. This is an education project. We're doing songs that are very much like Schoolhouse Rock. They're ear worms. And it's all. The first 10 songs are the first 10amendments of the Bill of Rights.

[Todd Erzin]

Nice.

[Glenn Beck]

So we're teaching that so you will always know your rights and your responsibilities because you'll hear that song. It comes with a study guide. We're also doing Chasing Embers as an audiobook. We have. We're up to 16 episodes now of the American Story. Humans are driven by story. They've destroyed our story. We must replace it. Each one of these episodes takes hours and hours. Just in. Just in the audio production alone, there are 18 hours of audio for each 45 minutes. They have up to 400 tracks. You've never heard history done like this before. And this summer, it is time to take your kids on vacation around the house, whatever you with study guides and everything else, one way or another, through all of it, especially your kids are going to know the American story. They're going to know history, and they're gonna know our founding documents, and that has to be restored not only in our children, but in us. I can't tell you how many Americans I could say at 60 years old and say, name the first five rights in the First Amendment. They can't do it. They can maybe get two, maybe not five. They have no idea what you're talking about. You cannot save your country if you don't know what you're saving.

[Todd Erzin]

So where can people access all of this to get some of this? Outstanding.

[Glenn Beck]

Go to torch250.com torch250.com Torch250.com is where

[Todd Erzin]

you want to go. Lots of stuff to make sure that we celebrate the summer of 250 and get to do this for another 250. All right. @torch250.com Good to see you, brother. Thank you.

[Glenn Beck]

Hey, thanks, Steve.

[Todd Erzin]

You bet. Take care. God bless. Thoughts on that conversation?

[Unnamed Guest]

Well, speaking of God bless. God bless Glenn. He's been doing this for a little while, and there's a lot of things that he's seen that could cause him to tap out at this moment. And when he speaks of, you know, if we, we can't, uh, defend what we don't, uh, know or understand there. But he keeps trying, not giving up. That's the way. No matter what.

[Todd Erzin]

All right, that'll do it for hour one. When we come back, let's play some fake news or not here in a moment. Stay tuned. All right, back here with hour two here on the Steve Day show alongside Todd erzin and Aaron McIntyre, I am Steve Dase. You can let us know what you think about what we think via the stevedace.com inbox by emailing the show. Steve dace.com that's D, E a C E like us on Facebook, me, we and Gab. You can follow me at Steve Dacia on X Instagram and TikTok. Also, make sure to subscribe to the podcast version of the show. And many of you have. So make sure you do that because it helps the show to continue to grow. And if you're on Apple itunes, you click follow these days. And about tens of thousands of you guys have left us five star reviews. Thank you. For each and every one of those. We appreciate those as well as we appreciate our friends over at Birchgold. You know, you're just hearing the conversation we just had with Glenn Beck. He's been around the block a few times. He knows his stuff. Spent a lot of time with the President. He has no idea how this Iran thing is going to end or win. He also doesn't know how do you negotiate against and with demoniacs? How do you do that? He doesn't know either. So when you've got some moments of uncertainty like this, make sure you check out our friends over at Birch Gold. All right? There's a reason why that gold has been kind of a hedge against these periods and points in history all throughout human history, Right? And so right now Birch Gold can help you convert an existing IRA or 401k into a tax sheltered IRA in physical gold. Get started by texting the number 989-898 to Steve today. All right, text Steve. No obligation here, just information to get you started. I get the free info kit today on Gold by Texting Steve to 989-898. That's text Steve to 989-898 for our friends over at Birchgold. Well, I want to say thank you guys again. It was an incredible launch for why Independence Day. America is great Because God is good. Three weeks running, we'll see if we pull it off here for a fourth week here in a few days. But three weeks running, it's the number one best selling new children's Christian book in America. And here's a preview.

[Steve Dace]

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[Todd Erzin]

So you can get your copy today as thousands of you already have. Thank you for each and every one of you. Heard from several folks at Seth Gruber's event in Denver over the weekend who had received their copies, brought a copy and asked me to sign it. How much they've enjoyed it, a lot of emails as well. We're starting to now pile up the five star reviews at Amazon. Those help in terms of Amazon promotion as well. So if you have already gotten your copy and you've enjoyed it, if you wouldn't mind leaving a five star review at Amazon, we would greatly appreciate you for that and we'd appreciate you if you were if you helped us to sell thousands more of these because everything you just heard from glenn talking about torch250.com everything you just heard from Glenn a few minutes ago applies here. We have to teach this so we can pass it on. If we don't, we won't get to pass it on and we're out of a country. Our way of life is gone. All right, so get your copy today. Why Independence Day? America is great. Because God is good. Our 250th birthday and event, 3,000 years in the making. We're going to walk you through all of that history for you and your kids and your grandkids with this book available [e-mail] and again, if you wouldn't mind, if you've already gotten yours and you wouldn't mind leaving us a five star review at Amazon, that would help us very much as well. So thank you guys very much for an incredible launch for this new venture. All right, gentlemen, are we ready for some fake news or not?

[Unnamed Guest]

Let's go.

[Todd Erzin]

All right, I've got a collection of five items that caught my eye on social media recently. And I thought it'd be worthy of us to consider these, these items and then determine whether or not we think they are fake news or not. All right, let's begin with this first one. This is a post from the Vice President of the United States, J.D. vance. Henry Nowak died the same way a civilization dies. Abandoned, handcuffed by authorities who neither trusted nor cared for him and accused of hate crimes he did not commit. His murder is as tragic as it is enraging. He should still be alive today, and he would be if the last few generations of European elites had stood their ground against the politics of self hatred and the mass invasion of migrants, many of whom despise the west and the people who love it. Henry was far from the first to so needlessly lose his life, and I fear he won't be the last. Each time a life like his is lost, the proper response, the only response, is righteous anger. One of the most important things the Trump administration has proven to the world is that stopping the flow of mass migration and defending national sovereignty is a matter of political will and leadership. Anything else is an excuse. It is because we love the west that we want to preserve it. We love our civilization. We love our country. We love our children. And nobody, nobody should ever die the way that Henry Nowak did. May God comfort those who loved him and may God rest his soul. Now, if you don't remember who Henry Nowak was, Aaron played that video last week in one of the all time cosmic ironies I can ever remember Ever remember he actually did say, I can't breathe. In fact, they were his final words as he was choked out by police in the uk. In fact, he said them nine times, if I recall, as he was choked out by police because they just assumed since he was white that he was bothering this foreigner when it was the other way around and the foreigner had stabbed him. And this case went viral all over the world, but particularly over all over this country. That's the Vice President's analysis in response to it. So, gentlemen, I ask you, is that fake news or not?

[Unnamed Guest]

That's not fake news. And I remember posting that myself last weekend. The most important sentences there, you might forget, it might go right over your head. But anything else is an excuse. We have a lot of anything else's in this country. I highlight that one bold print because that is the spine of everything he says there. Everything that comes before it, everything comes after. What are you prepared to do? Usually, even in the face of this, the answer is absolutely nothing.

[Steve Dace]

Yeah, so this is not fake news. And it's the suicidal empathy, that term that you hear bandied about so often, this idea that, well, we can't send these people back because they might die in their home countries, because why are you bringing them in in the first place? If their home countries are made up of people who are doing this to you and who will do it to them, why would we want to import that? That's just suicidal. I would caution, when you're trying to go down this rabbit hole of why, why open borders, why would you allow that? And of course, there's very broad reasons. Replacements, that is one of them. But at the end of the day, eventually, the people advocating for open borders, the ones who look like the people, heritage Americans, whatever, whatever you want to call that, but are very liberal, very lefty, advocating for open borders. Don't they know that eventually they themselves will be replaced on a long enough timeframe with a long enough. That's the logical conclusion. Stop your rabbit hole there. The reason, as with anything they're importing kind of this, what is it called, the Red Green alliance type of thing. The reason that they're doing this is because the origins of these typ of thought processes, the origins of Islam and Islamic dominion and invasion, the origins of Marxist thought, it's the same place. It's just chaos and destruction and doing their best attempt to spread hell on earth. That's the reason. It's very spiritual. Don't try to analyze it much more deeply than that.

[Todd Erzin]

That is a very important point that Aaron, you just made. The Church of Hell has denominations, too. They have sectarian disagreements, too. Right. And just as, I mean, just look at the last guest we had on. All right, Glenn has a different view on whether Joseph Smith is a prophet than I do. Yet we sound very similar and are saying a lot of the same things about the larger moment that we are in. Because the larger moment that we are in takes precedence right now over that particular argument. Because if we don't win this larger argument right now, we're not going to get to even have any more of those other arguments. You see what I'm trying to say. They do the same thing over there. The Church of Hell has denominations and sex and apologetics, and they've got all that, too. They have all that, too. Right. And every time you see Sunnis and Shias fight, you're watching a denominational fight within the Church of Hell, essentially. Every time. Just as Catholics and Protestants painted the, the fields of Europe red in, in the decades after the Reformation, for example. But then, you know, should there be a larger enemy that comes and threatens them both, they'll beat their swords into plowshares really quick and they'll point them at you. And that is exactly what Aaron is alluding to right there. So, yes, don't try to make sense of they can't be a gay in Palestine, so why are you a homo for Palestine? You're debating the upside down. They have something way more in common than sexual practice. A deep, deep desire to shake their fists at the one true God. A deep desire to do it. A deep, a zealous desire to smash his stained glass windows, albeit for different reasons. Albeit for different reasons. But it's the exact same mission and premise. So don't waste time trying to make sense of it. Don't call them on some apparent fallacy or hypocrisy. That won't matter to them anyway. That's a nice talking point. I guess it'll get us all some clicks, but it won't matter to them anyway. Take all the time you'd spend pointing out the fallacy and try to defeat the fallacy. Try to defeat them, because that's what they're going to do to you. All right, next, this one from friend of the program Steve Cortez. Noting the anniversary of Ronald Reagan's death last week, Cortez said the following. It's become fashionable to assail Reagan on the right, and I concur with some of the critiques, especially regarding amnesty. But the overall trajectory of Reagan was game changing. He won this, the Cold War. He was exactly the right man for the moment. Before I offer any commentary to this at all, I just want to know fake news or not? Aaron, I'll start with you.

[Steve Dace]

So I'm going to say, I'm going to say it's not fake news. However, I'm going to put a caveat on that. I think the people who lived through that era need to do a better job articulating to the younger generation why now I can do it by myself. I mean I think just spitballing here, if we hadn't dealt with the Soviet Union, then that was the larger fight. Then that was the larger fight. If we hadn't dealt with it then I do, I can see, I can play revisionist history as well. I can do alternative history as well. I can kind of put some of the dominoes impact there. I can see how the world would be a much more dangerous place, a much worse place if the Soviet Union had not been dealt with when it was dealt with. So I'll give him that as well. But for the other things like rescuing the country out of the just the complete malaise of the Carter era, I just think people who lived through that era, who knew what it was like to be alive need to do a better job of putting on concrete reasons for the younger generation why it was so game changing. I will not though back away from the point that Cortez made himself about amnesty. That is the usual thing that you hear, especially from the younger generations critical of Reagan. But I think for all of the other victories, those need to be articulated better.

[Todd Erzin]

And for people that don't know precisely what Aaron's referring to, just a reminder, the 86amnesty that Reagan signed essentially set the stage for what California has become. Prior to the 86amnesty, Republicans had won seven of the last. I think it's 11 presidential elections in the state of California. Think about that. By the way, I mean that doesn't that like mind blowing to even say that something like that out loud right now? It was seven of the last 10 or seven of the last 11, I can't remember. But Republicans had won presidential elections in California. In the first election after Reagan's 86amnesty, George Herbert Walker Bush narrowly beat Michael Dukakis in California. Since then, Republicans have never won. And most of the time, frankly, Republicans have failed to get 40% statewide in a presidential election in California which has what, like 55 million voters or something like that? So yeah, I mean the amnesty of Reagan in 86 was an unmitigated disaster. Reagan's 86 was not really a good year. 86 was also the year that I'm sure Todd will note, when the vaccine manufacturer amnesty was passed as well. Okay. But everything Cortez also says about the larger battle being the Cold War, if you were alive in 1986, very few people thought vaccine manufacturer amnesty was a major issue in 1986. Very few people thought. Because we were a different country back then. Well, we're just one generation from all the melting pot. You know, we took all the Catholics of Western Europe and they largely, you know, assimilated into the country just fine. You know, I mean, these Hispanic Catholics from California, why can't they do the same thing we were? It's kind of unfair, I think, to Todd to criticize Reagan for the 86amnesty, knowing in light of the culture we are right now. You see what I'm saying?

[Unnamed Guest]

Completely.

[Todd Erzin]

Because the time that this was done, we were not that culture then. But it is a matter of his record. So your thoughts on Steve Cortez's remarks on Reagan?

[Unnamed Guest]

Well, it's not fake news. Listen, there's a lot of sour grapes of people who complain about too much Ronald Reagan. I think Aaron brings up a good point, but there's also the other side of that. There's a lot of sour grapes of people who complain about Ronald Reagan, but because basically they're insecure in there that they're not him. They know they're not him. They've been failures and they're not willing to do more. And there's also just a generational addiction to nostalgia that has a lot to do with. We're going to be talking about in our next topic. Just like never, never feeling like you have to pick up the torch yourself. Just always constantly building a statue of Reagan somewhere. And then people like Aaron are like, dude, talk, talk, talk, talk, talk, talk, talk, talk, talk. Never do, do, do, do, do. So I get it. But in terms of the man and the moment, listen, Ronald Reagan and Pope John Paul II were a lot of the reasons why I am the way today. Not because I was a little addict. P. Keaton. Because being around real men, seeing what real men do, whether you're thinking about it a lot, it makes an impact on you.

[Todd Erzin]

I agree. Aaron made a very good point there. For those of us who lived through that, it is because here's the other thing not to do. This gets into my whole thing, the difference between nostalgia and tradition. Right? Tradition says you take the timeless truth that Reagan ran on represented. And you adjudicate what was a success and you denounce what was not. That's tradition. And then you try to take on and pass on the best of what Reagan did to future generations because that's worthy of conserving or preserving what's good, true and beautiful. And we don't conserve that which is not right. Yes. Nostalgia says it's all got to look like Reagan, sound like Reagan. We've got to go back to the 80s, you know, and that's kind of what you're concerned about with the nostalgia bait, with stuff like he man, which we'll talk about in the next segment, right. That we're resurrecting things in order, in order not necessarily to inspire new generations of young men or boys to aspire heroically or to inspire them heroically, but in order. This was a movie, frankly, made for 40, 45 year old men to go back and reenact their childhood. That's, that's exactly what it was made for. There's no question about it. I don't have to see it to

[Unnamed Guest]

know that that's a problem.

[Todd Erzin]

You know, it is kind of the right wing version I, you know, of how the left wants to. For the boomer left wants to, you know, everything's. Every scandal's got to have a gate after it. Right. And we got to go back to, you know, the summer of love. And then two years later, you know, in 60, the summer of 69, we got to go back to, you know, what's the rock concert. I'm thinking of that they held out there in New York in the middle of the. What am I thinking of?

[Unnamed Guest]

Oh, yeah.

[Todd Erzin]

See, the fact that we can instantly and remember what it's called. Right. Should tell you quite a bit.

[Unnamed Guest]

Yes.

[Todd Erzin]

But we got to go back to that period of time.

[Unnamed Guest]

Woodstock.

[Todd Erzin]

Woodstock, thank you. Everything's got to look the way that it looked before. Give me the feels and the warm fuzzies that it gave me before. Well, nostalgia is emotional, tradition is aspirational. And those aren't always the same things. All right, let's get to the next one. This is from Joel Berry and I'm go back to you because you kind of teased this one up on your own. So I'm going to go back to you with this. Joel Berry writes, so much of our immigration problem is really a welfare problem. We attract the worst non contributors and artificially prop up the worst non contributors once they're here. Is that fake news or not?

[Steve Dace]

I'm going to say it's fake news on a technicality. And I know that Joel, in the, in the context that Joel is probably talking about in terms of the machinery of why this happens, how it happens and why it continues to happen, that's unambiguously not fake news. But in terms of the meta reason why this is happening, so much of our immigration problem is a political will problem. That's the meta reason. So for that on the meta, even though I'm pretty sure he's not talking in meta terms here, that is fake news, but in terms of the practical machinery, not fake news.

[Unnamed Guest]

Todd, I think I was gonna say almost exactly what Aaron said, which is why I think it's important to call what he said fake news, even though he may have been addressing a more a technical point. But you can't ignore the meta on this because that, that's what even people who want to do something about us or recognize this as a problem will just not ultimately look in the mirror and say it's, it's, it's my political will. I'm a citizen of this country, I am we the people. Yet when it comes, time comes time to get in your hands dirty, you just won't do it because you've got other priorities. You're just like you said, you're the guy who likes to talk about Reagan, but absolutely not be, not be Arnold Reagan. So I think it's important to call this one fake news because Aaron is exactly right, I think.

[Todd Erzin]

So am I hearing what I'm hearing you guys say is that Joel's observation is not wrong, but it's not a coincidence. Right? Isn't that what I hear you guys saying? This is not a bug, it is a feature, to quote the Joker. It's all part of the plan. Does anyone hear you guys saying essentially that this is being done, this isn't just, you know, we're just idiots here, but this is being done maliciously.

[Unnamed Guest]

This isn't just a good hearted accident or anything like that. Absolutely.

[Todd Erzin]

These aren't the liberals of Reagan's era where they had good intentions, as Rush used to say. Is that what we're saying?

[Unnamed Guest]

Yes.

[Todd Erzin]

Is that what you're saying, Aaron?

[Steve Dace]

Yes, it is. Now, to some of the people out in the left wing, cheap seats. Remember, I think it was Boston or Philadelphia. The bleeding heart liberals out there were actually taking in these immigrants during the Biden administration, but then kind of kicking them out a few weeks later. I can't remember what city that was taking place. And I'm sure they think that this is Bleeding heart. But in terms of who's actually pushing this and why this is allowed, it is absolutely malignant and malicious.

[Todd Erzin]

Okay, we got a clip for this next one. This is from the Women's Summit Leaders, the Women's Leadership Summit that took place over the weekend for TP usa. And here's Dana Lash's remarks. Watch this.

[Aaron McIntyre]

Allow me to step out very boldly right now. Exodus 22:22. You shall not afflict any widow or fatherless child. If you afflict them in any way and they cry out at all to me, I will surely hear their cry, and my wrath will be hot. Deuteronomy 27:18. Cursed is the one who perverts the justice due the stranger, the fatherless, and the widow. Isaiah 1:7. Learn to do good, seek justice. Rebuke the oppression, defend the fatherless, plead for the widow. Jeremiah 22 3. Do no wrong and do no violence to a stranger, the fatherless or the widow. Malachi, chapter three, verse five. I will come to you. I will come near you for judgment. I will be a swift witness against sorcerers and against those who exploit the wage earners and oppress the widow and the Fatherless. First Timothy, chapter 5, verse 3. Honor widows. James, chapter 1, verse 27. Pure and undefiled. Religion before God and the Father is to visit orphans and widows in their trouble. Our Lord God defines himself as a quote, father to the fatherless and a defender of widows. God has ordered his church to care for widows, that widows be included. So they are not isolated to protect widows, to care for widows, to not persecute a widow in the most ungodly of ways. Because you're jealous that you are not the one controlling an organization that that widow's husband built.

[Todd Erzin]

All right, Todd, it's your turn.

[Unnamed Guest]

Fake news or not, that is not fake news. But I think context is important here. Well done, Dana. Well done. None of that is meant to deify Erica Kirk specifically, or widows generally. Erica has done an amazing job. But the reason this is brought up so many times is because of throughout almost all of human history. What being a riddle? How broken that makes you on multiple levels, mind, body and skull, to be cared for. What do I do? It is a pitiable place. It is exactly the kind of person that God comes to rescue. A person that cannot rescue themselves, no matter how good they are. And Eric has been very good. What this is really about is that when God is so clear, do not do this. And you do, you are on the side of the devil.

[Steve Dace]

That's what that's about when I. So this is the least fake news we've had so far today. When I think about what has been done to Erica, the term you use, the tormenting, I use it. The abuse of Erica Kirk, the suspension of reality that is involved for you to even question what you just heard from the pages of scripture. All of the suspension of reality. The idea, the idea that Erica Kirk wanted to see her husband shot in the neck. Just getting past that and all the other layers of the stupid brain dead, brain rot conspiracies that have been foisted here. The suspension of reality that you have to get to the point where you even start to question this. That's when you really get into the black hole. That's really when you get into the black pill. More precisely on the future of this country, the future of whatever this online right is. Because as Todd was getting out there, I kind of feel like, I don't know, let's say you're. Let's say you're cheering for a sports team and they're really, really, really bad at offense. But then one, finally one game, one game, they hand the ball off and they gain a yard and you rejoice. Is that a really high bar to clear, gaining one yard? No, it's not. I kind of feel like we're not clearing even corporately as a country, even if you're not into this, the fact that there are ostensibly hundreds of thousands if not millions of people out there who consumed the content of the torment, the abuse of Erica Kirk. I kind of feel like as a society, as a nation, as a culture, we're not clear in the lowest of low bars, just as human beings.

[Todd Erzin]

Amen.

[Steve Dace]

And that's when I start to entertain the black pill about the future of this country.

[Todd Erzin]

Most wicked thing I've seen in my career has been the tormenting of Charlie's widow. It's not even been a year since she was widowed by the most viewed murder in human history. History. Which brings me to this note from someone named Daisy Belace. Daisy Bellis, I should say, sent this to me. Erica's position is now CEO of tpusa. If she demands the protection of being looked at as a widow who can't be criticized, she needs to resign from the high level position and retreat to private life. The trad life that both she and Charlie promoted tirelessly, if you will. If she intends to remain as CEO of tpusa, she's going to have to get a thicker skin. A few hours on the Internet should begin the process. Life is not cotton balls and rainbows, no matter how much we may want it to be. This is a woman or somebody hiding behind an anonymous screen name, eager to share her thoughts on having thicker skin for the woman whose children will grow up the rest of their lives knowing that 5 billion people have watched their dad get shot in the throat and is now regularly facing threats on her life as well. But Daisy here, Daisy Bell Aistad, has some thoughts on getting Erica getting a thicker skin and understanding the role that she's put herself in from behind her anonymous screen name. Your thoughts?

[Unnamed Guest]

I believe you've already heard my TED Talk on this. There should be no anonymous.

[Todd Erzin]

This might be the post that's finally convinced me to just go ahead and adopt. This might be the one.

[Unnamed Guest]

Because this is. You nailed it. That you can't continue to use an anonymous screen name and not be changed by it. You will not be the same person.

[Todd Erzin]

No. Because your mouth will write checks you know, your body knows I can't cash. No doubt. Yeah.

[Unnamed Guest]

That's not a. It's not. I'm just protecting all these dudes who are doing it. I'm just protecting my job at home and providing. No, you're a coward. And day by day, as you continue to use this, you're morphing to something. You aren't in reality. And we all know it. This isn't complicated psych psychology, quite frankly. This is biblical. You're just lying to yourself because you like lying about a lot of things.

[Steve Dace]

This is what I'm talking about. Daisy. Anonymous account. You can't even clear the lowest of lowest bars. You just can't. If she demands the protection of being looked at as a widow who can't be crit. What do you mean specifically critical? What do you want to be critical? Critical specifically of what? She killed her husband. That's probably the next sentence. If you actually push back 10,000%. It's just disgusting. Disgusting. Hellofresh. Ain't got nothing on these people.

[Unnamed Guest]

Oh, gosh. Nice.

[Todd Erzin]

It's a. It's a mainline IV from hell is what this is. It's. It's the absolute, total, most total darkness, wicked thing I've seen in my entire career. Career has been the widow tormenting of Erica Kirk. Fake news or not. Is there. I'm sorry. Pop Culture Tuesday is next. Stay tuned.

[Glenn Beck]

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[Todd Erzin]

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[Unnamed Guest]

I honestly don't remember.

[Todd Erzin]

Okay, well, maybe. Maybe. Look. Look that up in your phone and apologize to him for me if it's not Gary.

[Unnamed Guest]

Got it.

[Todd Erzin]

I think it's Gary.

[Unnamed Guest]

He was a nice guy.

[Todd Erzin]

He is a great. He's been on a couple times. But one of the things he'll point out a lot is he'll call it Access Media is what he'll call it on the Hollywood side. Meaning, you know, trade publications like Variety and the Hollywood Reporter that glaze these movies and these big studio productions, despite the fact they may suck and Be Girl bossy and no one wants to see them just so they can continue to get access, they can continue to get invited. Those junkets, right, where they get on the. They go to the fancy getaways to see the films and they're fetid and treated well. Same kind of thing we see in political media that people will just do certain things to make sure they get a seat at the table. They have access, they get on certain shows. They get so and so booked as a speaker for their event. So that's why they don't really tell you what they think about stuff. Same kind of thing. And the guy at Nerd Roddicks will point out to you guys all the time, and he's correct, right? You can't. It's not the production budget that they tell you. Right? But then there's what's called a PNA budget or how they market the film. And a lot of times that budget is dollar for dollar, the production budget. So a pretty good rule of thumb, I'll just tell you about my own movie. My own movie. Our total outlay with delays and everything else was about three and a half million. How much did we spend on p and a.3 and a half million. Dollar for dollar, that's what we spent. Okay. That's pretty typical ratio. And so you can pretty much take a product and they never tell you about that budget. That's never brought up, by the way. So whenever you see reports about a movie's budget, just double what they're telling you. Because it's always just the production budget and not the marketing budget, right? So if. If I think this was an Amazon MGM Studios film. If they. If they're saying they spent 150 million to make this film, then double it with the marketing and everything else was 300 million. And I don't know, have you seen those Castle Gray School popcorn buckets Todd, those are pretty dope, I've got to admit, okay? But this film's gonna flop and it's going to flop hard. Now, I will tell you, I have somewhat mixed. I've not seen the movie yet, all right? And he, man was kind of at the vanguard of how, you know, you and I were part of what was called the latchkey kid generation, the first generation where it was the normal for, in America for both parents now to not be at home when we came home from school and to be working full time. Right. And so for many years in America, your Saturday cartoons were for Saturday morning. The kids were at home, everybody was at home, right? But now mom and dad were gone when we would come home and we kind of what were we gonna occupy our time with? And so they put the cartoons on in the afternoons. And that's the first time that had really ever happened en masse in pop culture was in our era and during the 80s. And so things like Thundercats, Voltron, GI Joe. I mean, I was obsessed with GI Joe. Only comic book I even, I used lawn mowing money to subscribe to it. That's how much I love GI Joe. I mean, it was everything futuristic science fiction and it was heavily jingoistic. It was like, it was literally made for me, okay. As a kid.

[Unnamed Guest]

All right?

[Todd Erzin]

And then he, man, those, those, those shows were like the biggest shows in this afternoon after school genre that, you know, mom and dad would essentially just leave the key, you know, let you in and hey, you know, get. Here's your snack and you can sit down and watch your, you know, cartoons if you want, till we get home. I have mixed emotions about its failure because. And I haven't seen it yet because everything I've read about it is that it is actually a very pro masculinity film and that it's not woke like at all. On the other hand, I certainly understand your criticisms of it, Mr. Erzin, in that the point of the film seems much more to honor the nostalgia of 45 year old men than to say, introduce these, reintroduce these characters to a younger generation of kids. Or at least that's who responded to the marketing of the film anyway. And so I totally get why you have just been on a. An intifada. Is that a fair description?

[Unnamed Guest]

Oh, I'm thrilled that this.

[Todd Erzin]

Yeah, you've been on an antifada against this film for months.

[Unnamed Guest]

I wish this was my demand and

[Todd Erzin]

you heard me and America has aligned with you.

[Unnamed Guest]

Really.

[Todd Erzin]

All right.

[Unnamed Guest]

Signs of healing.

[Todd Erzin]

So, thoughts on the failure of this film and what you think it does or doesn't mean. And since this is again your cause celeb, Mr. Erzin, I'll let you go first.

[Unnamed Guest]

Well, it's, it's absolutely immaterial whether this movie was woke or not. This a children's movie and this is not even Star Wars. Was this anybody that was a cultural tour de force. All he man was was a kids movie that sold kids toys. If there's people going to the movies, bleeding about, it's really teaching you 45 year old men, the kids don't care going. It's teaching us about manliness. They're not really good trustworthy material to be telling you what manliness is. Because they're going to the movies because they need to feel like they're an eight year old boy again. That's how broken we are. They think they're. It's, it's not woke. We're real men here watching he man. No you're not. We need to stop that lie. We need. I mean we. How much have we talked on the show today about how low the bar is? This is very, very low. So I, I'm, I'm, I'm encouraged that the younger generations are just done with this nonsense. And to the ex, let's say, just say for the sake of argument in terms of the genre, even if this was as good of a he man movie as could possibly be, and I don't think it's possible for it to be very good. Marvel movies, as I've said before, done excellently. Batman movies, done excellently and that excellently for going back to the, you know, 20 years. Right. How are we doing as a culture because of those movies? Have they taught us to want to go out and be a hero ourselves? No. All we want to do is go in and pleasure ourselves to the fakeness. We never want to let it transfer into real life. Quite the opposite. Give me more so I don't have to be part of real life. This is obvious now. This is an idol that needs to be smashed. There's, there's no grown man who can look me in the eye with anything. I will respect and say this was a really good movie. You're a grown 50 year old man. This is for 8 year olds. Stop it.

[Todd Erzin]

Aaron, you have any thoughts on this? You've got a young son and it's not your generation.

[Steve Dace]

Yeah, no, we don't really do superheroes quite yet with Ben and I don't know if we will. As far as archetypes to the qualities of bravery, courage, sacrifice. Those are things that can be inculcated in a number of ways through a number of different media. But as it pertains to Masters of the Universe, he Man itself, I just. This is not my era whatsoever. I just. I'm concentrated. If I do my job right as a father, at least some. At least some, like a third of some of those qualities and those character traits, characteristics of the superhero archetype that Todd was talking about, I will be modeling them. At least like a third of them, a minority of them. If I'm doing my job with any level of competency as a father, I will be modeling that. That is his primary teaching mechanism for those things. If I'm doing that well, then maybe superheroes can be a nice complement to that. Am I going to be perfect at that? Am I perfect at that? No. But that is how I approach this. So the reason that we're in the position that we're in right now is that superhero lore is just treated as a consumable product. Like, I would go to Casey's right now and get a bag of Cheetos. I'm just going to.

[Todd Erzin]

Nothing meta happening.

[Steve Dace]

There's nothing meta happening at all. And that's a shame, because I think on some level, we're tinkering with forces that we don't understand. When we treat these qualities, when we treat these meta topics, these meta narratives, and these character traits as just consumable products. You're doing something to the soul when you treat them like that. And I think that's why we're in the position we're in.

[Todd Erzin]

That is a fascinating observation. So in other words, we're making them commodities rather than. It's a commodity, not a character. Correct. Or characteristic. That is. That is fascinating. So am I. Because here's what I was going to go back to you and ask Aaron, because the fact that you did not grow up in this latchkey kid generation, you even grew up as a homeschool millennial. So. And your mom was home pretty much every day with you. All right. How did you receive the marketing of this? Not knowing the character, not being a part of that nostalgic generation, but a dad of a young boy, how did you receive the marketing of this film?

[Steve Dace]

I'm not trying to be evasive. I'm really not. This is my real answer. I don't think I've even seen the trailer. I don't think so. I don't. I can't recall any marketing actually for this at all. I remember when the trailer came out. I think maybe I watched that. I watched. I think Nerd Roddick actually reposted one of the initial reviews of some guy who just dropped like a million F bombs and was really disappointed with it. I think I watched more of that than I did of any of the marketing material for this.

[Todd Erzin]

In other words, you just never even penetrated your ecosystem.

[Steve Dace]

No, it didn't.

[Todd Erzin]

Almost like it wasn't made for you. And so that's a problem. I mean, if you're going to market a film to a very narrow sliver of people like that and it kind of goes to. I think Aaron's response goes to your concerns. All right, that the, the marketing itself did seem much less about, hey, remember how much you loved this. Now you can take your son to it. We want to pass this on to a new generation. As much as. Don't you Wish it was 1984 again? That's kind of what I hear you saying. All right, that. Don't you wish you could be 10 years old again? Don't you wish you could go back and be like that again as opposed to, you know, now we've got. We're going to reinvent this in order for you to pass it on to the next generation of kids. And, you know, and your kids can enjoy it like you did and you have something that you guys can bond with in your free time in common. This would be. He'd be Aaron to be the target demo of this. He's got a young son at home. He would be the perfect target demo to this. And he's saying, hey, this, this thing didn't even appear on my radar screen. It just didn't resonate with me like at all whatsoever.

[Unnamed Guest]

Whether it was real people or bots. I don't have to guess at this. That's how they were messaging this. It made me feel like I was 10 again.

[Todd Erzin]

You're in your 40s.

[Unnamed Guest]

Why the hell do you need to feel like you're 10 again? You're a grown man.

[Todd Erzin]

I think that's a good question.

[Unnamed Guest]

And the culture is dying and it's because of this nonsense. The math is not complicated. We just like pleasuring ourselves all the time. We are way too comfortable.

[Todd Erzin]

Well, apparently we're he man's concerned. We don't like it as much as we as they thought. At the very least that's encouraging. And what. But what's fascinating, it's at the same time that these big budget films. Now this is the second one that has just bombed. I mentioned The Mandalorian and Grogu. What's fascinating is what is surging into the forefront. We talked about that last week. We have these independent horror films now made, I think made a 20 year old directed backrooms obsession that cost 850,000 to make. The lead actress filmed it in a week for 20 grand, I read today. So these films, which, and I've seen them both, they're both very nihilistic. You have these nihilistic independent horror films with no redemptive ending whatsoever are dominating the box office. While the heroes from our childhood that are supposed to inspire redemption and heroism are getting absolutely trounced. See, this is why I have mixed feelings about this. Because of what is taking their place in the pantheon of pop culture. Does that make sense?

[Unnamed Guest]

It makes sense. Just like when we say politics is downstream from culture, movies are downstream from culture, Our culture sucks. We're not going to have good movies.

[Todd Erzin]

You think it's just that simple?

[Unnamed Guest]

I don't. It's simple math.

[Todd Erzin]

I see. I don't disagree.

[Unnamed Guest]

What is the world? Worldview is destiny. Right?

[Todd Erzin]

Which worldviews produce the most artistic flourishing in the history of the planet?

[Unnamed Guest]

I'm a loyal acolyte of the Steve Day Show. Worldview is destiny. Our worldview currently sucks. Even amongst the church.

[Steve Dace]

Yeah. I mean, hindsight is 2020 and there's still excellent films. But that's the best we can do is the commodification of superhero qualities. That's the best we can do in the current state of the men, the current state of the culture.

[Todd Erzin]

So it's just.

[Steve Dace]

And that's gonna be. That in and of itself is going to become increasingly rare.

[Todd Erzin]

So they're just like a brand. Like, like. Well, kind of like idiocracy, right? You know, president. What is it? Yeah, Camacho, Nacho supreme or whatever. You're just.

[Unnamed Guest]

And if that's.

[Todd Erzin]

Everything's just a commodity.

[Unnamed Guest]

If that's the case, listen, it is going to the movies. I have a nostalgic feeling in my heart. I. I'm not out altogether, but still this thing is rotten. We need to stop putting it on autopilot and continuing to interact. It's the same principle. As I said with the non accounts. You keep doing this, it changes you. Your standards just drop and they're not going to give you good quality if you're. If the standard for yourself is so low.

[Todd Erzin]

I just realized we don't have an overtime topic.

[Steve Dace]

Hey, do we have an overtime?

[Todd Erzin]

No, we don't.

[Unnamed Guest]

Steven Spielberg plans on telling us that we shouldn't.

[Todd Erzin]

Well, that's going to be, that's going to be, that's going to be pop culture Tuesday next week.

[Unnamed Guest]

College football continues to light itself.

[Todd Erzin]

Well, that could be that, that could be pop culture Tuesday virtually every week.

[Unnamed Guest]

All right, My point is I'm right. That's my point.

[Todd Erzin]

I don't, I've not said. You're not. No, I'm not.

[Unnamed Guest]

No, no, no.

[Todd Erzin]

I'm just, I may not always agree with your application of it, but I think you're fundamentally right.

[Unnamed Guest]

I'm taking the scoreboard.

[Todd Erzin]

Okay. Well, you should. On the he man thing, you, you may have single handedly nuked this movie. You may have done it.

[Unnamed Guest]

Thank you. Thank you.

[Todd Erzin]

I have the power. Well played. Well played. That's a crescendo. That's a great place to end it right there. Back at it again tomorrow, noon to 2 Eastern, right after Glenn Beck, right here on the Steve Day Show. Until then, go hard. Romans 8:28. Sat.