STUCK in Iran? Here's What's REALLY Happening | Guest: Dusty Deevers | 5/7/26

Summary

Steve Deace Show Podcast Summary

Episode: "STUCK in Iran? Here's What's REALLY Happening"
Date: May 7, 2026
Host: Steve Deace (Blaze Podcast Network)
Guest: OK State Sen. Dusty Deevers

Overview

This episode of the Steve Deace Show delivers deep-dive analysis on three major topics:

1. The United States' precarious situation and strategy vis-à-vis Iran following years of conflict and shifting goals, explored through a conservatively principled, snarky lens.
2. A critique of a controversial Oklahoma bill on composting human remains and its underlying worldview—joined by guest and state senator Dusty Deevers.
3. An extensive, nuanced discussion on the increasing prominence of UFO disclosures, the possibility of an "alien psyop," and how Christians should respond—melding theology, mathematics, and cultural critique.

Deace and co-hosts mix humor, skepticism, and serious worldview analysis, targeting conservative and Christian audiences who want more than just headlines.

Key Discussion Points & Insights

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1. Iran: The Realpolitik of Endless War

[00:32]–[30:19]

Fluctuating War Strategies and Public Perception

• Summary: Oil prices plummet amid rumors of a U.S.-Iran deal to finally end the conflict. CENTCOM operations, administration statements, and Israeli involvement are all background to President Trump's evolving strategy.
• Deace’s Hypothesis: The U.S. got involved in the Iran war not because Israel "dragged" America in, but to control escalation, protect alliances, and avoid a wider Middle East crisis.
• Crisis of Trust: Deace and co-hosts note distrust toward both Iranian and U.S. intelligence, referencing past deceptions (e.g., Russia-gate, Hunter Biden's laptop).
  • "Who has more credibility in a race...the Iranian regime or your own intelligence community?" (Steve Deace, [17:27])

The Perpetual “Face-Saving” Dilemma

• Analysis: The war’s goals keep shifting for political and strategic reasons ("dynamic scoring") with neither side willing to accept total defeat or humiliation.

  • "Everybody's saving face." (Co-host, [28:06])

• Public Apathy/#Disconnection: America’s institutional trust is collapsing, and people are less emotionally invested, focused instead on immediate personal issues (gas prices, culture wars, etc.).

  • “Getting people to resonate with it at any level is a near-impossible task. You tried. You made utter sense. But that’s where we live.” (Todd Erson, [28:48])

Memorable Quotes

• “We had historic illegal immigration crisis for four years...so what’s required now? A mass deportation.” (Dusty Deevers, [02:01–02:08])
• “It’s never science, always worldview.” (Steve Deace, [70:15])

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2. Human Composting in Oklahoma: A Worldview Crisis

Guest: Oklahoma State Senator Dusty Devers
[32:19]–[47:19]

The Bill, Its Scale, and Symbolism

• Summary: Oklahoma considers House Bill 3660 ("natural organic reduction") to legalize human composting. Deevers shares that 5,000 bodies/year would mean 5 million lbs of composted human remains—mirroring trends from blue states.
• Steve Deace’s Critique: Questions if modern society "needs" a new method for honoring the dead; suggests cemeteries already fulfill this sacred role.

The Worldview at Stake

• Deevers’ Christian Anthropology:

  • Human dignity—body and soul—is rooted in creation, not utility.
  • Composting as a "neo-Gnostic and neo-pagan" move, disconnecting humanity from biblical conceptions of bodily dignity.
  • “This is old Gnosticism in new green packaging. The civilization that treats dead bodies as material will eventually treat living bodies as material.” (Dusty Deevers, [35:04])

• Slippery Ethical Slope: Deace pushes the debate further, invoking arguments about euthanasia, transcendence, and the dangers of rejecting transcendence grounded in God.

  • “Why don’t we just go the extra step and say, euthanize me and compost me? ...You just keep pushing the line further and pushing the line further.” (Steve Deace, [39:23])

Memorable Moment

• Devers links Oklahoma’s debate to progressive, secular worldviews dominating blue states.
  • “Every law has an anthropology…And this bill…is not a small symbolic shift, but a civilizational one.” (Dusty Deevers, [45:39])

Notable Quote

• “A civilization that treats dead bodies as material will eventually treat living bodies as material.” (Dusty Deevers, [35:04])

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3. UFO Disclosures: Psyop, Theology, and Mathematical Improbability

[48:21]–end

Setting the Stage: Media Hysteria Meets Worldview

• The team discusses increasing government hints at 'alien disclosure' and the viral claim that clergy were being prepared for paradigm-shifting revelations.
  • Clip from CBN/Perry Stone ([55:16]–[65:28]): Christians are told to spiritually prepare, not to panic, and to view disclosures through scripture.
  • “Our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but…against the spiritual forces of evil in heavenly realms.” (Eph. 6:12, read by Billy Hallowell, [63:26])

Steve’s Dissection:

• Mathematical Odds Against ET Hypothesis ([71:36]–[81:18])

  • Distances to nearest potentially habitable system: 12 trillion–119 trillion miles.
  • Probability Calculation: Even with “warp drive,” odds of repeated undetected alien visits are 1 in 100 million (“similar to dying by a vending machine”).
  • Alternative Explanations: If they defy known physics, why trust those claiming scientific certainty about creation/the universe?

• Interdimensional & Demonic Explanation

  • If genuine, the phenomena likely point to "spiritual" rather than physical beings—aligning with the biblical concept of spiritual warfare and deception.
  • “There's a term that a lot of the current UFO folks will use…They use the term ‘summon’.” (Steve Deace, [87:57])
  • “Spiritual beings could do that—things that are not natively material in and of themselves…” (Steve Deace, [87:02])

Why Charismatics Are the Weak Link for an Op

• Charismatic churches are described as “the soft underbelly” for a deception campaign:
  • “If you were going to plant an op, the charismatic movement is wide open for it…they would immediately eat it up.” (Steve Deace, [68:11])
  • He warns that well-meaning but credulous elements could inadvertently push government/worldview narratives.

Christian Response: Wisdom, Prayer & Perspective

• Panel warns that disclosures will be used to sow confusion and fear, not just in culture but in the church. Calls for returning to biblical, not sensational, frameworks.
  • “Don't be gripped by fear. Turn to Scripture…We are in a spiritual battle.” (Billy Hallowell, [65:28])
• Skepticism is essential—especially toward government narratives.
  • “Are we just going to believe suddenly whatever the government narrative is...?” (Billy Hallowell, [56:32])

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Timestamps for Important Segments

| Topic | Timestamp | Summary | |-----------|---------------|---------| | Oil/War in Iran | [00:32]–[30:19] | Analysis of war, administration strategy, and why America is "stuck" | | LA & National Security | [02:33]–[03:16] | Drugs, border, local citizenship voting debates | | Gorsuch/Founding Ideals | [03:59]–[05:20] | American creed & generational mission | | Iran Strategic Breakdown | [15:44]–[30:19] | Detailed theory on U.S./Iran/Israel strategies & shifting goals | | Human Composting in OK | [32:19]–[47:19] | With Dusty Deevers: worldview clash over dignity of the body | | UFO Disclosure Segment | [55:03]–[65:28] | CBN clip w/Billy Hallowell on spiritual implications & church prep | | Odds Against Aliens | [71:36]–[81:18] | Deace lays out mathematical & worldview arguments | | Spiritual Warfare/UAP | [81:18]–[96:10] | Are "aliens" interdimensional/demonic? What deception looks like |

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Notable Quotes & Moments

• Steve Deace:

  • “Everybody's saving face.” [28:06]
  • “The civilization that treats dead bodies as material will eventually treat living bodies as material.” (via Deevers) [35:04]
  • "If you were going to plant an op, the charismatic movement is wide open for it... they would immediately eat it up."[68:11]

• Dusty Deevers:

  • “Christianity uniquely says that human beings have dignity because every human being belongs to God. …This bill teaches…the body can be reduced, processed, and converted into usable material. …Not a small symbolic shift, but a civilizational one.” [45:39]
  • “Who owns the body? Who owns the soul? The Christian answer has always been — first, God owns the body and the soul.” [36:20]

• Billy Hallowell (CBN):

  • “Are we just going to believe suddenly whatever the government narrative is...?” [56:32]
  • "We are in a spiritual battle... measure it against what Scripture tells us." [65:28]

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Tone & Style

• “Principled conservatism with a snarky twist.”
• Direct challenges, cultural skepticism, and Christian worldview analysis.
• Lively, sometimes humorous, yet deeply earnest—especially when discussing faith or deception.

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Conclusion

This episode ties together themes of institutional distrust, shifting strategies in geopolitics, the erosion of biblical worldview in public policy, and the dangers of credulity—whether it applies to war, bioethics, or “extraterrestrial” disclosures. The hosts urge vigilance, wisdom, and re-rooting in Christian principles to counter a culture of confusion and engineered fear.

If you’re looking for both the snark and the substance—especially as it relates to wars, culture, and faith—this episode delivers.

Transcript

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[Co-host/Commentator]

It's the Steve Day show and here's what happened while we were away, brought to you by Dropping like a rock. Oil prices, which seem to perhaps be the only indicator of the direction of the conflict with Iran at this point, are dropping like a rock this week amid ongoing reports and whispers that the United States and Iran could very well be closing in on a deal to permanently end the conflict. CENTCOM says it conducted a strike on a large Iranian oil tanker taking out its rudder as it attempted to skirt the US Blockade in the Gulf of Oman. President Trump tells Cheryl Atkinson, well, they're

[Steve Day]

militarily defeated in their own minds.

[Oklahoma State Senator Dusty Devers]

Maybe they don't know that, but I think they do because I deal with them. And we cannot ever let Iran have a nuclear weapon. But they are militarily defeated. They have no navy, they have no air force, they have no anti aircraft weaponry.

[Co-host/Commentator]

Yeah, it's probably true. Also heard the same thing for the past six weeks. Moving on, border czar Tom Homan is once again touting the administration's track record on border security and drawing a contrast with the Biden administration.

[Steve Day]

Let's remember why we're here.

[Oklahoma State Senator Dusty Devers]

Four years of an open border. Over 10 million illegal aliens that we know of came to the border. Millions were released in this country illegally.

[Steve Day]

In my opinion, against established immigration law.

[Oklahoma State Senator Dusty Devers]

Four years of historic never seen before numbers.

[Steve Day]

We had historic illegal immigration crisis for four years.

[Oklahoma State Senator Dusty Devers]

So what's required now in historic mass deportation?

[Co-host/Commentator]

Oman's comments come as the DEA and other subsidiaries of the Department of Justice carried out a massive drug sting on MacArthur park in Los Angeles, an area that's become known by some as basically an open air drug market. Hundreds of agents arrested and charged 25 alleged drug dealers and traffickers in that single raid and seized 40 pounds of fentanyl. Meanwhile, in the LA mayoral debate, there's

[Steve Day]

a yes or no question, an answer. So there's an LA council member. He wants voters to decide. He is saying that non citizens, should they be allowed to vote in local elections. And is this a yes or no, Mr. Pratt?

[Billy Hallowell]

No.

[Steve Day]

Mayor Bass? It depends. It's not a yes or no. Depends on what?

[Oklahoma State Senator Dusty Devers]

Well, first of all, when you say non citizens, it doesn't mean they're here illegal. It doesn't mean they're undocumented.

[Steve Day]

They could have green cards. They could be here.

[Oklahoma State Senator Dusty Devers]

Perfectly legal. And there's a lot of states and

[Steve Day]

cities that do that on very, very local elections. We have to see what the councilman is proposing. Councilmember Bremen. Yeah, I would say, again, it does depend. In other places, school boards have non citizens. Non citizens. Mr. Fred, I have a.

[Co-host/Commentator]

Moving on. A federal judge unsealed a purported suicide note from Jeffrey Epstein this week. The unverified and undated document was placed on the court docket in the case of a former cellmate of the late convicted sex offender who said he had found the note. The note, which is not signed, reads in part, quote, they investigated me for a month, found nothing. It is a treat to be able to chose one's times to say goodbye. No fun, not worth it. The UK Daily Mail gave the game away on the whole aliens unidentified aerial phenomenon thing with this headline, quote, religious leaders told to prepare now for UFO disclosure to unleash Bible changing revelations.

[Steve Day]

What an odd thing to say.

[Co-host/Commentator]

And finally, Supreme Court Justice Neil Gorsuch talked to National Review recently. And these comments in particular seem to be kicking up a hornet's nest.

[Steve Day]

The 56 signers were incredibly, incredibly interesting people. And their stories are moving. We forget that the revolution was eight bloody long years. A third of the signers had their homes destroyed. Many of them were imprisoned. Some of their wives were imprisoned, some of their children were. Were imprisoned. And many of them gave their fortunes to the revolution and died poor as a result of it. So telling those stories of courage and sacrifice, we hope might inspire a few young minds and make them realize the Declaration's three big ideas are not inevitable. They were not inevitable, and their preservation is not inevitable. And that the torch passes to each generation. And we're a creedal nation. What unites us is not a religion, it's not a race. It's a belief in those three ideals. That's our mission statement as a country. And if people don't get expired to learn about them and believe in them, the baton drops.

[Co-host/Commentator]

So what is that creed? How do you enforce it? Well, that's what people are arguing about. And that's what happened while we were away.

[Steve Day]

The fascinating juxtaposition there of Aaron's first two comments, the president talking about the Iran war and what winning looks like. How do we get out of it? Tom Homan saying we need mass deportations of illegal aliens. I want to connect some dots there. Why I think we're where we are in this war. What's been going on this entire time? I'm going to theorize here in a minute. Tell me have you guys tell me if you think I'm onto something or not. Next year on the Steve Day Show. And greetings. Happy Thursday. Welcome to the Steve Day show here live and on demand on Blaze TV, radio and podcast alongside a very relieved Aaron McIntyre and Todd Erson, who I who I think his was, was fine with either outcome. Todd was fine if there was another meltdown so he could watch me meltdown or if it went great so that I was in a good mood. You were going to be fine either way. You're going to enjoy it either way. Correct?

[Todd Erson]

I'm nimble.

[Steve Day]

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[Todd Erson]

None to my own.

[Steve Day]

Exactly. So why is this being discussed there? State Senator Dusty Devers from Oklahoma will join us at the bottom of the hour.

[Todd Erson]

He's writing polemics about this.

[Steve Day]

I was in his feed yesterday and I, I saw this.

[Todd Erson]

Okay, if it wasn't him talking about this, I said all I could hear is your voice saying, soylent, greenest people.

[Steve Day]

Yes. Next hour, we're going to devote Theology Thursday to this story going around that members of the government may have met with some ministers to, in order to prepare us for what UFO disclosure will look like. All right, because as, as they're claiming, quote, there may be some Bible changing narratives. A, there can never be, will never be any Bible changing narratives.

[Co-host/Commentator]

Can there be Quran changing narratives? Can there be holy texts of buddhism changing narratives 100%. Why is it just, can there be Descent of Man changing narratives?

[Steve Day]

Yes.

[Co-host/Commentator]

Why is it just the Bible?

[Steve Day]

Because it's the only perfect thing on the earth, handwritten by Almighty God himself, proven and confirmed ultimately in the testimony of the life, death and resurrection of Jesus Christ. Is that a good answer?

[Todd Erson]

Pretty good answer.

[Steve Day]

Pretty good answer. I think I agree. So here's the thing, though. We're going to look at this very seriously and I'm going to do on this issue some of the stuff I did on Covid. We're going to look at math, we're going to look at probabilities, we're going to discuss it theologically because, see, I, I, I don't think you need to be prepared for UFO disclosure. In fact, I'm gonna, for the second week in a row, quasi spoil my weekly prediction on the day script the day before. I don't think that this will cause it hasn't. So how many, how many more disclosures are we going to have? The government's been doing some form of disclosure and confirmation on this since what, 2017 with the new York Times story first emerged, Right?

[Todd Erson]

Correct.

[Steve Day]

I mean, we've, we've got the current Secretary of State on record talking about it. I mean, this, there's been all kinds of disclosures that's, that's a misnomer to countdown to disclose. There's already been a whole bunch of disclosures. There's already been. I mean, the official US government position is there is, there is phenomenon of non human origin. We cannot explain that. We have, we, we are, we are admitting to you we have evidence of. And we've even shown you some of the evidence. I mean, this is, this week is the 43rd anniversary of the debut of, of maybe the greatest television miniseries of you and I's a childhood V. Remember what a phenomenon that was?

[Todd Erson]

I do.

[Steve Day]

Okay. And this has been discussed out in the open. It's been. Fox News has stories on this almost every single night. The President's talked about it. No one's gone into. See, this is an op. It's not going to disturb anything. Now I might argue that's not a good thing because it's, it's not, it's not that it's not going to disturb anything because we're just such a biblically based society right now and our faith cannot be shaken. That's, that's not why it's not getting our attention.

[Todd Erson]

Correct? Definitely not.

[Steve Day]

Yeah. If it's so, I would actually argue that, that it's not shaking us up more is a bad sign because of the reason it's not shaking us up more. We just can't be bothered about almost anything except that which gets in the immediate way of whatever is making us comfortable at that particular point in time. If the aliens really want our attention, here's what they need to do. All right. Now, I was going to say the NBA finals, but nobody even really watches the NBA. Here's what they really need to do. Labor Day weekend is the return of the College football season. 5 days. Pick the biggest game of that weekend or the following Wednesday when the NFL season begins with the one off single season with the one off single game, season opener. And that Wednesday, interrupt that game by landing right on the field. Months of fantasy drafts. I'll probably be in three or four of them myself. All kinds of preparation, everything done for America's number one leisure suit pursuit. If you really want our attention, interrupt that. Short of that, I don't think this will gain an attention at all. So I don't think you need to be prepared for UFO disclosure. I don't. I think you need to be prepared for the OP of UFO disclosure. Does that make sense?

[Todd Erson]

Of course.

[Steve Day]

And that's what we're going to discuss coming up in the next hour. Right. However, I also have A theory as to what's been going on in Iran and why we're here that I want to lay out for you. I'll do that after I remind you about our friends over at Fast Growing Trees. They've got the. The largest, most trusted online nursery available to you today. That's why they've got over 2 million happy customers. You can't beat it. They're there for you the entire time from the beginning with their extensive catalog. Then the Alive and thrive guarantee to make sure it shows up at your doorstep. All right, the way that you want. Fresh, ready to plant, ready to water, not broken up. All right? And then they have their consultants that help you also plan out your dream yard or the dream plants for your inside your house. And then they're with you every step of the way to help you make sure to learn how to care for them as well. So. So right now, they've got all kinds of great deals on their spring planting essentials, like half off select plants. But you, if you've never gone to them before as a first timer, you can get an additional 20% off with the code [e-mail]. if you're a first timer, use my code dace for another 20% off at fast Growing Trees dot com. All right, I want to again reiterate. I'm not a military strategist, would never even attempt to be one. I don't have time to be one. I. I got into this. Maybe if we actually do have World War iii, I'll have to learn some. Some of this on the fly. Like, I had to learn immunology, virology, and biology on the fly six years ago. All right, so if, if, if what I'm about to say, if you're a veteran in our audience and I'm putting your teeth on edge and to be offended, I'm not. I'm not claiming I can wear your jock strap. Can I make that very, very clear? You did. All right, I am only analyzing this politically and the fact that we have a civilian commander in chief, and it's not the Pentagon that's ultimately making the decisions here, or even Pete Hegseth, who's a, you know, a decorated veteran himself as the Secretary of War. These guys aren't making the ultimate decisions here. Any ultimate decisions they're allowed to make are only under the consent of the civilian commander in chief, the President of the United States himself. Amen.

[Todd Erson]

Amen.

[Steve Day]

So therefore, since it is a political office that is ultimately making these decisions, I am, I'M I'm. I'm doing my analysis in the arena where I think maybe I've proven. I hope I have anyway, if I proven maybe over the years, I may know a thing or two in the political arena. I may know a thing or two there. So I'm not here to. I'm not here. This is not based on any. My. I don't have any understanding of our military strategy. I don't. It's beyond my capability. I don't. I'm looking at this purely politically, only caveat stated. Got it. Okay.

[Co-host/Commentator]

Yep.

[Steve Day]

Trying to make sense of this. Here is what I think has occurred and takes us right up until this moment. I think you have a prologue where we have a long standing, decades long nemesis relationship with the nation of Iran, where they are not a threat to us per se, but have attempted to be threatening for too, for too many years. They've made it very clear they would like to have a nuclear weapon. Whether that was sincere or not, how far along they are or not can clearly be debated. And I don't begrudge anybody who doesn't want to believe any intelligence estimates after what we were sold in Iraq. I don't. But is it a matter of record? Is the Iranian regime on the record in their desire and pursuit of a nuclear weapon? Yes. And they have used that, at the very least, they have cynically used that, let's say the whole thing. They never followed through at once. And we just bombed nothing but caverns last year that had no high value target, military readiness or capability from a weapon of mass destruction standpoint in Midnight Hammer. At the very least, is it fair to say that the worst thing, that the, the most limited thing the Iranian regime has done is use their reputation as provocateurs of carnage to shake down countries like the United States for billions of dollars to get them to not build a nuclear weapon? Is that, can we at least say for the record that's at least what they have done here?

[Todd Erson]

Of course.

[Steve Day]

Okay, so we're starting from that baseline. And then you kind of go from how much do you really trust the Iranian regime to get your information as well as your own intelligence agencies, the same intelligence agencies that told you that it wasn't Hunter Biden's laptop, by the way. So I'm not sure, frankly, who has more credibility in a race and a credit with the average American or should the Iranian regime or your own intelligence community who tried to conduct a coup against this very president, in fact, in his last term on a Russia P tape that Never existed. Right. In other words, both sides of this discussion here, there's reasons to be skeptical in either direction. Fair.

[Todd Erson]

Yes.

[Steve Day]

Okay. This president has been on the record going back to the very early 1980s in how he would have dealt with a much stronger hand with Iran if he were in charge. Correct. These are. These things are all on the record. Correct. One of the first foreign policy things that he did when he came in in 2016 was, was to get rid of the Obama Iran deal and instead create an Arab coalition of nations who he knew also did not like Iran. All right. For different, maybe different reasons, the Israelis, but a similar level of contempt and use that to essentially corner Iran and isolate them within the Muslim world. Are you still with me all so far? Yep. All right, here is what I believe. I believe. I believe based on what I just said and the actions that have taken place hence, that not only did the Israelis not drag us into a war, but that actually we went in in order to hold them back. That we just simply do not understand on our end. What did I just say a minute ago? I'm not sure if I trust the Iranian regime's reports much more than my own intelligence agencies assessments of things. How many times has my own intelligence agencies lied to me in the last. It's. It's a race in the last 10 years who's lied to the average American more, the US intelligence agencies or the Iranian regime? And I'm telling you, folks, we're going to have to go back and look at the film. Right. We're going to have to AI. Study this. We're going to have to line it up. Fair.

[Todd Erson]

Yeah.

[Steve Day]

Especially maybe it's clearly the Iranian regime in terms of volume, but in terms of the existential stakes of the lies, meaning the value of the lie per capita, it's probably a. This thing is a flip of the coin going down the stretch here.

[Todd Erson]

At least the Iranians honestly tell us they hate us, whereas our own intelligence regimes.

[Steve Day]

Correct.

[Todd Erson]

Sketch.

[Steve Day]

Correct. So what I think happened here is because we're in this position that we know we can't really trust our institutions. There is more institutional trust within the nation of Israel than there probably has been in my lifetime. Certainly in errands. For sure. For sure. In errands. So now we're going back to a decade. We're going back to the early 90s. And I, and I think the resolve there to just. We're never letting any of this happen to us ever again. We just don't understand. I absolutely believe the Israelis would go Complete scorched earth in Lebanon and everywhere. If those of you who want us to detangle from Israel to decouple, to use your term, this isn't going to decrease war. It would actually increase it because the Israelis have had enough. They've had enough and they're emboldened and they're united in ways that we haven't been since about a week or two after 9, 11. And now you're going back to almost the beginning of this century. We're on a generational level of unity, of purpose and mission. This is why you don't see a political figure like Netanyahu has, who has had a lot of popularity issues. He's been voted in and out of office. How many different times in his career he's been facing criminal or impeachment charges and courts of law and everything else. He's. He's as supported right now as he's ever been. Why? Because it's not about him. It's about mission and purpose. And we're just not in a position as a people right now that we're capable of that anymore. It's sad, but it's where we are. And so I actually have believed in this part. I've already told you, I believe we got involved in this so that we could actually direct it ourselves, so that there wouldn't be a spillover effect, it wouldn't disrupt our Arab coalition. I think we went in there with devastating military precision. I think the original goal, the reason why I don't think the president was lying when he said it wasn't a regime change war. Well, it was a regime change war. Well, we're not going to put brutes on the ground to have a regime change. Those were all things the president did say in the early days and weeks of this war, correct?

[Todd Erson]

Yes.

[Steve Day]

I don't believe any of them are lies or any of them were spins. I think that we were dynamically scoring the situation politically, meaning that how much devastation could we cause the Iranian regime? And again, I'm not analyzing this militarily, but politically, because militarily, could we have ended the Iranian regime in about a week?

[Todd Erson]

Yes.

[Steve Day]

Yes. And the entire DNA. Could we have ended the entire DNA strand? So no future descendants, just literal, literal elimination of the entire Iranian regime within 30 days?

[Todd Erson]

More or less.

[Steve Day]

More or less. The problem would have been then, militarily, what happens next? Right. What subdues the nation next? Who's in charge? How much. How many. How many boots in the ground does it take from our own soldiers to Initiate that transition to keep it smooth. What happens to sectarian, different interests? Because the Kurds in the north don't want the same thing. All right. That you know, some of the others want and they have this large secular youth population. That's where things get sticky. It's not taking out the Iranian regime, it's in what comes next. Fair.

[Todd Erson]

Yeah.

[Steve Day]

So I believe that politically and this, this would line up with a very malleable president. This is a president that is very malleable, that the minute he thinks something, a plan isn't working, he'll go to a different plan. The minute he thinks, if he thinks it's working, he'll stick with it no matter what. Right. There's a mercurial nature there. Trump hates losing. He won't just sit there and lose. He'll, he'll switch on a dime. Right. So I think that he's been dynamically scoring this process the entire time since we went in there and absolutely annihilated their mass military capabilities in a matter of instance. Then I think the thought was that we could then maybe without a heavy amount of on the ground troops, actually initiate, damage them enough to initiate a full on regime change to push them so far to the brink without major boots and assets on the ground that then they would just either organically topple over or they, the people then would finish the job. That did not happen. And instead the Iranians attempted to weaponize the Straits of Hormuz as their last piece of leverage that extended the conflict to this region of the world. And then we realized, well, Iran didn't really have military dominance of the Strait of Hormuz before the war. We can't leave them with that. All right, because that's how they'll rebuild themselves. Then our Arab partners are gonna get really pissed off that now they've got to pay a jizya to another Muslim country. They can't stand to have their tankers go through the straits. Right, right, right. All right. And so I think that this has been all along in the President's mind a political calculation of how much damage can I do to the Iranian regime before I've done too much damage to myself politically. And I do believe that this has been, this is that he has been looking at this on a week by week basis. I don't think it's. Well, we'll see. Well, I think it was possible they thought in the first four weeks that they might topple them. Now we're not so sure. And so now we're in a position where we're out. The president is out of political capital to do what probably will have to be done to eliminate the Iranian regime. And he knows this, which is why we haven't done it. The Iranian regime also knows this. And so now what you have is you have two sides both trying to come up with a solution where they can then turn around and when they go back home and say face and say, this was all justified. And that's what's been. That's what's being negotiated now by who even we even know, could even do the negotiating in the first place. And I think that it's a. It's a little bit like you start plucking weeds out of your yard, your yard's just completely full of dandelions and weeds. And originally your intent on a real hot day, you're tired of looking at them, you're gonna get them all. But then you realize these things are some stubborn suckers, right? And maybe at first you thought you got them all. Rains a couple days go by and they're starting to pop up again, and you're kind of like, do I want to just sit here and just do nothing but just pluck these weeds all the time, all the time? Or is the lawn dramatically improved? Does it look way better than it looked before? And if I have to come back months or years later and, you know, reseed to redo the lawn, I'll do that, but I got other things I have to do. I just can't sit here and just pluck weeds. I mean, I can't turn that into a part time job. Terrible analogy. It's all I could come up with live on the air, but it's where I think we are. And so I think our goals has shifted based on the results we were seeing or lack thereof at times. On top of the political calculation here. And it's not just domestic politics, it's also the political calculation of keeping our Arab alliance intact, and also the political calculation of the fact that the Israelis are ready to settle some generational scores and just be done with it. Cost, overhead, cost be damned. And so this is why we can't truly define what victory looks like. This is why we're not entirely sure how this will end or when. Because we're in a negotiating period now. What is there will be no actual surrender. We were able to severely and significantly damage their ability to threaten that region as much as they were before, but we don't have the political capital that it takes to actually go in there and uproot them. And so therefore they're going to remain in some degree. But they also can't take complete and total humiliation from the United States because if they do, then they'll be toppled. Once we, they will be toppled. We, on the other hand, don't want to make it look like they have any position of strength at all because then our people are going to ask why did we do this at all? And so this is where we are. Thoughts.

[Co-host/Commentator]

Everybody's saving face.

[Steve Day]

Yes, everybody.

[Co-host/Commentator]

Everybody is.

[Todd Erson]

I think wasn't it Churchill said democracy is the worst form of government except for all the rest, for all the others.

[Steve Day]

Right.

[Todd Erson]

And remember, he's the guy who after saving the west, we're still building statues of him. He was escorted stage left and voted out and then they went back and got him later on. And for all of Donald, whatever you think about Donald Trump and all his successes, he's not Winston Churchill and here he is. I think, Steve, once again, your analysis about all of this and how he's approached it is right on. I think it's sober minded.

[Steve Day]

It aligns with how he sees everything from Art of the Deal.

[Todd Erson]

I think his approach is even sober minded. But here's. I don't think I've ever heard you talk and here's the thought bubble in my head making more sense, but me sensing more of a gap between what people care about. That's what you're stuck. You, we have to analyze this. This is life and death, war and peace and the ability for people to care about it. And I'm not even, I'm not calling them out because we've justified their reasons. What's going on right now with gas, what's going on with my kids being trans. We've got all kinds of, we just have a total disconnect right now. No matter how high the consequences of this get and the longer it goes on, getting people to resonate with it in any level is a near impossible task. You tried. You made utter sense. But that's where we live.

[Co-host/Commentator]

Where we live is what I heard just at the gas station the other day, just small talk. The cashier with the lady talking about how high the gas prices are, how much it hurts. And the cashier made some sort of statement about, well, if we didn't, you know, have, weren't trying to make all this money for multinational arms corporations. Some, some, that's where we are right now, right or wrong. And mostly probably wrong for the wrong reasons. Anyway. Can't, can't navigate that.

[Steve Day]

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[Oklahoma State Senator Dusty Devers]

I'm great. How are you?

[Steve Day]

I think a lot of that's going to be determined by how this interview goes, Dusty, If I'm going to be brutally honest with you, my friends. All right, so I didn't even know where to start. So let me just ask this question. What the hell? What is going on in your state? What is this? You're debating composting human remains? What is this?

[Oklahoma State Senator Dusty Devers]

Yeah, yeah. I mean, that's what House Bill 3660 is essentially doing. It's natural organic reduction that creates 1,000 pounds of compost per human body. And some states are already putting millions of pounds of human compost into their soil annually. There's, I think there's about 14 states. They're saying that in Oklahoma it can mean 5,000 bodies next year that they would human compost. And if that's a thousand pounds per body, you're looking at 5 million pounds of human composted soil. And they're saying that this is a humane way to reduce bodies and for the loved ones to be able to grow their garden or plants or otherwise into and have a, I guess a record of their family and something to commemorate them with. We did slap an amendment on it.

[Steve Day]

Don't we have things called graves? Pardon me? I thought we already had things called cemeteries to do this. Dusty. This is not our first go around with the cycle of death and life here in the species. I thought we had these things called graves and cemeteries that did these things honorably of our loved ones. I thought we had these already.

[Oklahoma State Senator Dusty Devers]

Yeah, I guess it's not enough to have a sacred cemetery, but you need to now have a way to grow your plants or your trees or otherwise your flowers from your family. So I don't know if this is a commingling of, of cellular structure is going to heighten the commemoration of your family or something. But you know, really, the, the, the deeper problem here is a gnostic, a neo Nazi gnostic and neo paganist view of the human body.

[Steve Day]

You're a former pastor as well, so take us to church, brother. Walk us through, walk our audience through what those terms mean and why you applied them to this issue. Because it's important. Because, because it's not. You're not just seeing this sort of neo Gnostic fervor on issues like this, but there's a surge of this comprehensively from a worldview standpoint in our culture right now. So go ahead.

[Oklahoma State Senator Dusty Devers]

Yeah, that's absolutely the case. I'm still a pastor in a Baptist.

[Steve Day]

You guys are like Marines. You don't ever get up. You're never a former marine, you're never a former pastor. My bad. Yes, go ahead.

[Oklahoma State Senator Dusty Devers]

Yeah, I still preach and teach.

[Steve Day]

My mistake.

[Oklahoma State Senator Dusty Devers]

Right. Curriculum and everything.

[Steve Day]

Can I. Mayakopa, the Protestant minister. My apologies. Go ahead, sir. Yes.

[Oklahoma State Senator Dusty Devers]

Yeah, that's right. Well, yeah, the fundamental question is what is the human body? And Christianity has always said that the man is not a ghost in a machine. And it's not mere biology that man is body and soul. And the soul is not just an accidental shell or a meat suit. It's part of the human person. So after death, in this application, the Body is not just nothing. It's not just material to be refined or reduced into something that you can treat however you want. Though it's not a living, it's still the body of a person. It's not something, but some one. And it retains dignity because God made it. And Christ assumed a body and the spirit indwells the body and God will raise the body. And we see this in Christ. After he died, he was buried in a tomb and then he rose bodily and he sits in heaven right now in body, bodily form, in a, you know, it's of course, it's a resurrected body form. And he will return in bodily form and he is going to resurrect us all from the dead and reunite our bodies and souls. The problem with the Fall was that we brought a separation of the body and the soul. So Christianity doesn't teach that the, that, you know, the escape from the body, it teaches the resurrection of the body. So really, if we want to get into Gnosticism and neo paganism, that's where the conversation happens. And you know, old Gnosticism, essentially it was an old Gnostic error in the early church found it to be a heresy that taught that the real self is spiritual and the body is just secondary or disposable and it's inferior to the soul. And that that heresy keeps on repe itself. And I found throughout my numerous conversations here in Oklahoma and after the debates on this topic that we are so thoroughly separated from a Christian tradition and Christian teaching on anthropology. The problem in our day, Steve, you know this well, is what is man? If they're anthropology questions, what is a man? What is a woman? What is the body? And this is old Gnosticism in new green packaging. The body is not material for the autonomous self to define however you want. And the civilization that treats dead bodies as material will eventually treat living bodies as material. And that's the problem. So it's not something for the autonomous self to redefine and redesign and process or to discard. And that logic there, the old Gnostic and pagan logic, is what underlies transgenderism and transhumanism and utilitarian bioethics and all these problems that we are currently and fundamentally seeing in our society now, it's because we don't have a thoroughgoing Christian understanding of the body and soul that is created by God. It is going to be held to account by God. And I think if you just back it up to the very beginning, you have to ask, who owns the body, who owns the soul? And The Christian answer has always been, first, God owns the body and the soul. God has creator rights over our bodies and souls. We will all be accountable to him for how we treat the body and the soul. And Christian tradition and American tradition, being founded on Christian principles and Christian doctrine, has recognized that the body has dignity both in life and in death.

[Steve Day]

I mean, why don't we just go. That was, first of all, excellently said. So I'm not surprised. Why don't we just go the extra step, though, and just say, well, you know what? To end my suffering, euthanize me, and compost me. I mean, because people are. The One objection you're going to hear is, well, these people are already dead. Who cares? All right, so why don't we just take the next step, then euthanize me, end my suffering, and compost me. What would be the moral standard by which we wouldn't do that? You see? Right, right. And then you just keep pushing the line further and pushing the line further and pushing the line further, because what this is for, to help our people understand further what you're talking about, this is essentially denying transcendence while trying to achieve it at the exact same time. All right, that there is a path for us to transcend our mortal coils, but that exists by the fact God became a man, confined himself to a mortal coil, and then proved he ultimately had power over life and death by. By. By supernaturally overcoming those obligations and restrictions that the rest of us are tethered to and tied to. And it's our forgiveness that we find in what he did for us, that we ultimately are see our bodies and souls redeemed and achieve the transcendence that inside of us, we all seek some form of significance and legacy that goes beyond ourselves. This is an attempt, as you're pointing out, to deny all of those sinful natures and everything else, and that we can actually achieve a certain level of transcendence totally and just completely on our own by violating the order of the only truly transcendent being in the entire universe.

[Oklahoma State Senator Dusty Devers]

That's exactly right, Steve. And as is, as in this question, so many go Back to Genesis 1 and the beginning of this world when God created the heavens and the earth and he created man. He created them in his own image and in the image of God, he created them, male and female. And the questions of anthropology start there. And then whenever we move to Genesis 3, we see Satan coming to Adam and Eve in the form of a serpent. And he said, did God really say. Did God really say that? In the day that you eat of this fruit, that you reject him and you choose autonomy that you will truly die. He says this because he also wants to tempt them to say, you can be like God. The problem has always been either we will submit to the God who created us and all the truth claims that therein follow, or we will seek to pursue autonomy from God in a narcissistic approach that leads us into nihilism fundamentally and man centered self worship. And because we rejected God and we chose to rebel against him, we are going to feel the effects of sin in every area. And the solution that Satan offered was which. He is a liar and a thief and a murderer from the heart. From the start, he just wanted to kill off mankind because he hated those of us who were made in the image of God. And he ultimately wanted to destroy the opportunity for Christ to come in human flesh. He told them that they could, he fed them the lie that they could be like God. And that's what man has been trying to do ever since. Escape the meta narrative that God rules over all and that we will all be held to account of Him. And the only way we can escape the separation of body and soul is if we are reunited to Christ by being reconciled to God through faith in Christ and that he will bring us to a new heavens and earth under Him. So when we peel back the layers at the root of this, it is whether we are going to submit to God as our judge and Creator and only and Christ as our redeemer, or we're going to pursue man centered Neil narcissistic nihilism. And you know, the, what that leads us to is a limiting principle. That limiting principle is that man cannot. And governments that are ordained by God for men cannot, it cannot ultimately escape what is the transcendent reality.

[Steve Day]

No matter how hard they try, no matter how hard they scream, no matter how many guns they point at your face, ultimately we cannot outrun the word of God. There's just no escaping from it and just a practical confirmation that everything you just said is true. I want to share with our audience the names of the first six states that enacted the Compost Law that you guys are, that you guys are wrestling with right now. Tell me what they have in common. Washington State, Colorado, Oregon, Vermont, California, New York. Those are the first six states that did this. So if you think, if you're saying you guys are making, I mean, Dusty deavers has given me 10000 words on recycling. What are we doing here? I mean, what, what are you guys doing here? There's 50 other things going on. Why are we wasting our time on this? Why were those the first six states to do this? What do they all have in common?

[Todd Erson]

Gentlemen, they're godless.

[Steve Day]

They're godless blue states which only just in the. In the retro confirms the premise of everything that Dusty just said. They're applying his own premise does. Because the reason why they let you kill your babies up until any time you want, literally a cuticle could be dangling at a mom's uterus. You can just go ahead and snip that baby's neck if you want on in all of these states. And the reason why they let you do that and the reason why they don't know what a woman is and the reason why Colorado keeps bringing that poor Baker Jack back to the Supreme Court how many times now the reason why is because of everything he just said. See, we think that we can ala carte our worldview because that's what we've been trying to do for about a generation on our side. They know they can't. They believe. They're the ones that actually really believe in systematic theology. They take. They. It is a full encompassed worldview that they will apply comprehensively to everything and every standard. And that's why you're now facing this debate in freaking Oklahoma of all places. Dusty, I've got a minute left. I'll give you the last word.

[Oklahoma State Senator Dusty Devers]

Well, I'll just go back to say, look, the founders grounded our rights in the Creator. If rights come from government, then government can redefine them. If rights come from people, consensus, then consensus can revoke them. If rights come from utility, the useless have no rights. And so Christianity uniquely says that human beings have dignity because every human being belongs to God. And that is the foundation that protects the unborn, the disabled, the elderly, the dying, and even the dead body. So this is not about forcing coercion or conversion on people. Christianity distinguishes the church and state. The church governs the inward man through the gospel. The state governs outward justice. The state cannot regenerate hearts. But it also cannot be morally neutral. It will either reinforce a true view of man or a false one. And this bill teaches something that the body can be reduced, processed and converted into usable material. This is not a small symbolic shift, but a civilizational one. And every law has an anthropology. And I choose the anthropology that defined that says that humans are dignified, that their bodies and their souls are of value, and that ultimately is that God is the Creator and we can only be or have our physical bodies and our spiritual bodies saved and protected in this life because we trust in him and we look to him and define our governments around Him. And in the age to come, if we look to Christ and are reconciled to God and are remade for him and for each other in the new heavens and earth.

[Steve Day]

Amen. Brother, good to see you. Thank you.

[Oklahoma State Senator Dusty Devers]

You too. Thank you, brother.

[Steve Day]

Take care. Any thoughts on that?

[Todd Erson]

Remember maybe a year ago when you rightly spent like a whole segment dissecting what William Shatner said about dying and becoming a tree?

[Steve Day]

Yes. That's why I've forgotten about that. This is the exact same conversation.

[Todd Erson]

Yes.

[Steve Day]

And attempt at transcendence.

[Todd Erson]

Yes. And there it was, more of a thought exercise.

[Steve Day]

Yep.

[Todd Erson]

No, everybody's sprinting ahead, folks.

[Co-host/Commentator]

Yeah. This is not dust to dust necessarily here. This is again, everything that you see here. It's just not every, I should say a lot of the things that we see in our headlines, a lot of the things that we, I mean, we're gonna be talking about it right now in the next segment. It's not new. It might have the veneer of high technology, it might have the veneer of modernity. A lot of the stuff that we talk about on a day in and day out basis, just the old paganism, theology.

[Steve Day]

Thursday's next. All right, back here with hour two, live and on demand on Blaze tv, radio and podcast. Maybe, maybe. I think we're ready to have a serious conversation about this. And I think strap those chin straps a little tighter, put your thinking caps on, because we're about to do a deep worldview dive on a massive op that is taking place right now before us. All right, that's coming up here in a moment. First though, let us know what you think about what we think via the stevedace.com inbox. Take advantage of it by emailing the show [e-mail] that's D, E A C E like us on Facebook, Me, we and Gab. You can follow me at Steve Dash on X Instagram and Tick Tock. Don't forget, you can also subscribe to our YouTube channel at Day show on YouTube. That's at Day show on YouTube. And then finally, if you are a podcast listener, you can subscribe or hit follow on Apple itunes to ensure that you never miss an episode, that it's for sure in your podcast feed each and every day. And then you can also, if you wouldn't mind, leave us a five star review. Tens of thousands of you have. We'd love it if we got tens of thousands more. And thank you for each and every one of those and thanks to our friends over at Jace Medical as well. The Jace case is your lifesaver. It's, it's there when you really need it. And it's the OG that gives you the antibiotics that maybe they tell you, well, they're stuck in the straighter Hormuz. So the next time that can ever happen here happens here, you're prepared. And now they've got way more options than when they first came on board beyond the og all kinds of customizable options, expandable options as well that can include even medications that are unique to you and your own family's situation. So make sure you are prepared, take as much control over your health as you can and get a discount with the code Dace at checkout when you go to jace.com code dace for a discount at j a s c.com jace.com code dace at checkout for a discount at jace.com the Conversation we're going to have this hour on Theology Thursday is going to confirm for you that much of what gets called a scientific conversation today is really a worldview narrative. It's not really about data, it's not really about a scientific method and the testing of such, but about the promulgation and the perpetuation of, of narratives. It's really about worldview. We're going to look at math, we're going to look at data, we're going to look at assumptions, we're going to look at problematics and possibilities. Because I think, just as I thought during COVID that ultimately the truth is what sets us free and the truth was in the data. And I think the same is true here as well. The truth is in data. The data. So the issue of, of non human intelligence and UFOs in the last few years has gone mainstreamed. We keep. We keep. Now we've got a Steven Spielberg film called Disclosure. Remember I was warning about that last year as they were making it. Now we've had Countdown to Disclosure folks. They've done a half dozen disclosures already. The US Government has already done numerous versions of disclosing to you. There are non human intelligences and phenomenon that it cannot explain, that it no longer is trying to hide, that it is actually confirming and even showing us evidence thereof. We have current and former members of Congress, including the current Secretary of State have all been on record Marco Rubio discussing this. The President has what is what, what do we mean? Countdown to Disclosure. This has become an Open discussion and topic for seven years or what? No, nine years now. Right, Right. Right. Now we are taught we are on the brink though of a. Supposedly a different layer of disclosure. But we shall see. With the President saying he's prepared. Now, he's been saying this for the last week or so. FBI Director Cash Patel says that he's also been given a look through of the files of what the government has, at least that they're willing to show you. Again, here's the thing though, I do not think you know the whole thing that. Well, this is going to be Bible changing narratives. Maybe if we have time today we can discuss because I, I truly don't know. And when I, when I, when I give you some of the math at work here, I think it's going to make my case for me all the more. But I, I truly don't know why, if there was in the entire vastness of the cosmos another form of intelligent life or even multiple other forms of intelligent life, what that would have to do at all with whether Jesus Christ was dead and walked out of the grave. I have no idea what it has to do with that. Because as a Christian, that is the bedrock of my faith. Everything is predicated on that. And the Bible itself says to put all your money on whether that took place or not. That that's the tipping point event. That's the, that's the Rosetta Stone that unlocks all the rest of Christianity's claims. And if we have time today, we'll discuss that a little bit because I think it will tie into some of the math and some of the other scenarios that I'm going to paint for you during the course of this hour. But first we're gonna take about 10 minutes. I want to set the scene so really good. This is with a really good friend of mine, Billy Hallowell, over at Christian Broadcasting Network. And Billy and I are working on a project together and have been now for about six months that we're hoping we're going to get to announce to you at some point in the next six months. But this was Billy and his co host discussing this story that went viral over the weekend about whether or not members of the United States government had clandestine conversations with the clergy in order to prepare them, to prepare their people, meaning us, for what's going to come out in these UFO files. I want this entire clip to play in context so you see the full conversation. Watch.

[Safeway/Albertsons Announcer]

Just when you thought the disclosure of aliens and UFOs and interdimensional beings couldn't get more bizarre. Well known Christian pastor Perry Stone just had this to say.

[Steve Day]

But there were a large number of pastors that had been invited to go to a certain state to hear some men in the United States government and others share with them a concern that they had. But he said, Perry, what they're about to release, from what we're hearing, there's going to be a release concerning aliens and concerning unidentified flying object spacecraft, that some of the people who were in the meeting were telling us as pastors, you need to prepare your people and you need to get ready to answer them for what you're about to hear being released. And some of it has to do with crafts that have been discovered that are not allegedly a part of our planet and the materials they're made of are not a part of our planet. Very strange, reptilian looking creatures.

[Safeway/Albertsons Announcer]

Okay, our alien expert. Billy, what did you make of that?

[Billy Hallowell]

I love that alien expert. Well, here's what I'll tell you. We don't really know what this meeting was. We don't know what happened. I have seen other people say, oh no, it's real. I was there. This meeting happened. You know, the reality is we don't know the, the confines of the information, what was sort of given. There's a lot happening here. Disclosure, the idea that alien disclosure could happen or explanations for, you know, these UFOs, that the government is going to do this. We've seen the president talk about this. But the idea that faith leaders would be brought in is very interesting because this is going to be a big deal. It's going to be a big deal in culture. It's going to be a big deal essentially in the church because people have to have an answer to it. We've been talking about this quite a bit here, you know, in different segments. And the reality is Christians have to know what they believe and what they think about this. And that requires praying about it, asking the Lord, looking at scripture, trying to understand what could possibly be going on here. But I have to tell you, the big thing when I look at this is that fear, fear is something that is going to grip people. There's also a fascination. People have long wanted to believe in aliens. They've wanted to believe in UFOs. Maybe 10 years ago we would have laughed about it, but right now, more than half of the public believes that these things are real. And so whatever this disclosure tells us, the fact that you had pastors purportedly gathered together, if this is true, to talk with government officials about it is very Very intriguing for a couple of reasons. First, it shows that pastors still, in the eyes of the government, hold an important role in our culture, in our society. Right? They preside over many, many people, sometimes thousands of people. And so if you want to get a message to people, you go to those pastors. But the second thing, and this is really interesting, we have no idea if this is true. We have to assume now, are we just going to believe suddenly whatever the government narrative is on, and we don't know what it's going to be? Whatever the government comes out and says about UFOs and aliens is our. Is, I guess, are we, Are we posturing to say we're going to believe that automatically? Are we going to. To question that? Are we going to try to understand maybe what is going on? Because we are very much in a time where there have been a lot of distrust and a lot of questions about what the government has said on other issues right of late. And so I'm very interested to see how people react to the government coming forward with information, you know, because you have to assume, again, that the government knows, okay, well, if I trust what the government says right at face value, and whatever narrative they. They put out there, if I just say I'm going to embrace that, I think that's pretty lazy. So I would encourage everybody, regardless of whether or not this story is true, regardless of whether or not pastors were brought together, when that disclosure does happen, that you take it to prayer. And I'll stop there, Raj, but I'll just say this last thing. You take it to prayer, you ask God, how do I interpret this information? What does this mean? And we put it up against what Scripture tells us to have a proper framework and understanding of what could be happening.

[Safeway/Albertsons Announcer]

I actually think this is a gift, this is happening slowly so that we can have a moment to just chat and figure out what the Bible says about this. And I think, most importantly, as you were mentioning, Billy, our first reaction shouldn't be fear, right? You know, hundreds of years ago, oh, my gosh, is the world not flat? That's totally going to ruin my faith.

[Billy Hallowell]

No, it didn't.

[Safeway/Albertsons Announcer]

And I don't think this should either, because I think this actually lines up with what Scripture says will happen in the end times. And I go to this revelation, chapter 13. The beast is identified this way. Think about this, chapter 13, verse 13. And it performed great signs, even causing fire to come down from heaven to the earth in full view of the people. How could all the people see this? Because of the signs it was given power to perform on behalf of the first beast. Here it is. It deceived the inhabitants of the earth in order. It ordered them to set up an image to honor of the beast who was wounded by the sword and yet lived. Going down a little bit farther. Then we talked about the mark of the beast. It also forced all people, great, small, rich and poor, free and safe, to receive a mark on their right hands or on their foreheads so that they could not buy or sell. Unless the mark, which is the name of the beast or the number on its name. And here's verse 18. And this is for us. If you're watching. This calls for wisdom. I think the. Okay, just from a logical atheistic perspective, you know, the closest solar system is something like five light years away, which means unless this aircraft or whatever it is has the ability to travel at the speed of light, which I think is almost impossible, I just don't, I don't think this is how an alien race would interact with human beings that have traveled gajillions of miles away. This, this seems like interdimensional beings. And it, to me, it lines up perfectly with a great deception, a great falling away signs performed by this thing. The Bible says that in, in the, in the last times, there will be signs that the whole world sees again. All this stuff, mark on the mark on the beast. It's things that couldn't have happened without some sort of global way to communicate all this, to show it all. It just, everything is lining up. And I'm not, this is not like an end times prophecy kind of thing. I'm just saying that the most important verse that I read is verse 18. This calls for wisdom. And to your point, Billy, this seems like it is happening. So I think it is important for us to be stewards of the next wave of fear that's going to come our way so that we can answer our children, so that we can answer the skeptics, so we can answer ourselves. Because it does seem like this, this tidal wave of AI manipulation deception is coming our way. And we need to know before it happens how we're going to interact with that. And ask someone who, who's really like, all right, let's, let's find out what the Bible has to say. I don't think this should fear. This should make us scared. I don't think this should make us worried. And I think there's going to be a lot of people who are full of fear and all are fear, full of worry. And it's going to be incumbent upon us to be that shalom in that storm and to point people back to the good shepherd. So, you know, obviously, Billy, you. You made a whole movie kind of sort of about this. So first question is, how can people find that movie? But secondly, let's say someone is trying to gather their thoughts in closing. How should they start to process all of this stuff so that when it happens, they're ready for it?

[Billy Hallowell]

Yeah. The movie is called Investigating the Supernatural. Angels and Demons. You can go to cbn.com supernatural to watch that. And I would encourage you to. We do deal with the alien issue. We also deal with demons and angels in that. But I think the first place to go is Ephesians 6:12. And actually, let's actually go back a little bit. Let's go to verses 10 to 12. Let me read them to you. Finally. Be strong in the Lord and in his mighty power. Put on the full armor of God so that you can take your stand against the devil's schemes. What does that tell us in verse 11? The devil has schemes. Now, verse 12. For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the powers of this dark world, and against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly realms. That is a list there of things that we don't fully know about. We know about demons, we know about Satan. We don't really know what else is included. You know, principalities. Right. Those are sort of geographical demons, essentially. Demons that sort of oversee a geographical area. We see that in Daniel 10. You can go and read that and understand that a little bit more. But the point is there is some mystery here when it comes to the kingdom of darkness that we don't fully know. But we know that we are in a spiritual battle. If you're in a spiritual battle, you have to use the Bible and prayer and your connection to the Lord as your compass to get through that. So don't be gripped by fear. Turn to scripture, turn to prayer. Understand what Ephesians 6 is telling us, what Paul is telling us. I'm going to keep saying this every day. We are in a spiritual battle and all of these things, all this information as it comes in, measure it against what Scripture tells us. And you can have the debates about what if there are quote unquote aliens or evidence that something else is going on that we can't explain? What is the nature of aliens? That's what we have to look at. We talk about that in the film again, cbn.com supernatural you can watch that but you want to prayerfully approach all of this and be very careful what you believe, where the information is coming from, and whether or not it lines up with God's truth.

[Steve Day]

So I thought that was an excellent breakdown and a good scene setter, which is why I wanted everybody to see it in its entirety. So let me start adding some context to this now. So far, all of the. The. The ministers that have come forward to say all of them, I. I just checked again to make sure there had been no update right as I was watching that clip. Again, so far, all of the ministers to come forward to say that they were in this meeting with government officials are all charismatics. All of them? Every single one. I go to a charismatic church. I. I executive produced a movie that was considered catnip for charismatics. Okay. But if there's. If there's one thing that I see within charismaticism, that is a reoccurring weakness, it's an unwillingness to take out the trash. If the reformed people just take out the trash. We've talked about this before, right?

[Todd Erson]

Yes.

[Steve Day]

It's trash day in reformed world. Every day someone's out on the curb. Every day someone got one thing wrong, someone made one mistake, someone added exposition and original thought and ingenuity where none was in, none was permitted, or heaven forbid, said a nice thing about a Catholic, and therefore to the curb they go. That's all reformed world is. Every day is take out the trash.

[Todd Erson]

Is that great line from that movie throwing away a perfectly good white boy like that?

[Co-host/Commentator]

This is kind of out of nowhere.

[Steve Day]

Worked. It did, but it works. It works.

[Todd Erson]

What movie was it? I can't remember.

[Steve Day]

I don't know either. I didn't even know the movie was floating.

[Todd Erson]

It's a banger.

[Steve Day]

Yeah, I would. Sounds like something I'd like to see. Yes, in the charismatic world, it is never trash day. They're just hoarders. No one's ever taken out, no one's ever held accountable. Which is why there's a guy named Mike Winger. I've met Mike a couple times. I did a panel with him at a amfest at the pastor's dinner. We're gonna tape an evergreen with Mike on Monday. And Mike gets attacked by his detractors as being against charismatics because most of the. The false ministries that he is purporting to expose tend to be charismatic. I would actually argue that Mike is not picking on charismatics. It's just Charismatics won't take out the trash. They won't. And I say this as Someone that goes to an Assemblies of God church and made what a lot of people think might be the most accurate film on spiritual warfare that's ever been seen on a. On the big screen. So does that. That must mean I'm a cessationist. Completely closed off to these kinds of themes. Correct?

[Todd Erson]

It does not.

[Steve Day]

It does not. Charismatics will not take out the trash. That's why Benny Hinn still hanging around, frankly. That's why guys like Perry Stone is still hanging around. Why I wouldn't put him on my show. Perry Stone has made I can't tell you how many prophecies that have not come true. Six years ago, he was embroiled in a big sex scandal. Tennessee authorities investigated. No charges were filed. He admitted to some inappropriate conduct. Content or conduct, I should say. But I believe Deuteronomy has some. Has some specific things to say about people who make prophecies in God's name that do not come true. Correct?

[Todd Erson]

Yeah. A lot of part.

[Steve Day]

Ironically, Perry's last name would apply to what goes on and what Deuteronomy said to do to people that make prophecies that don't come true. Correct? Yeah. Yeah. See, I think if you were going to plant an op, the charismatic movement is wide open for it. That's what I'm trying to warn against. See, I'm not warning you guys against the UFOs, because in a few minutes I'm going to mathematically show you it's very unlikely. Even without a biblical worldview, it's very unlikely. That's what we're dealing with. But before we get there, I need to. I need to. I need to do my job and prepare you not for the ufo, but for the op of. Of what's going to happen. If you were trying to plant this into the church, you'd go absolutely right through the front door of charismatic circles. They would immediately eat it up. It would fit into their motif of deception. Deception. Spiritual warfare. Again. Am I. Am I all about spiritual warfare?

[Todd Erson]

Yeah.

[Steve Day]

Am I pretty open about it?

[Todd Erson]

Yeah.

[Steve Day]

Is there. Is there a show with a larger audience than mine that uses now that Charlie got murdered? Unfortunately. Is there another show other than with a larger audience than mine that uses the term demonic in its everyday language more than I do?

[Todd Erson]

Probably not that I'm aware.

[Steve Day]

Probably not. Maybe Ali does. I don't know. So I'm all about this life. I nearly gave my life to this. To this. Cause the movie I made for y' all nearly killed me.

[Todd Erson]

Twice.

[Steve Day]

That's exactly why. I know what I'm talking about if I were going to plant an op, I'd go right through the front door of charismaticism. It would feed the narrative. And then once it's fed in there, once it's planted in there, then I come up with all my scientific explanations that now that you let the camel's nose under the tent, now I come up with all my scientific explanations as to what's really happening here that makes our people say, well, maybe it, maybe there's Israel. See what I'm trying to say? Of course, now maybe I'm also wrong. But I think we should at least consider there's a reason that they went to the charismatic ministers and said, get ready, because you're gonna have a hard time planting this in the cessationist churches. They're completely shut off to this world. But if you wanted to, if you wanted to do something subversive, something to do an end run, you'd go to them. Not to mention which branch of Christianity is the most pro trump the charismatics are because we're never dealing with science, we're always dealing with worldview. Never forget that. It's never science, always worldview. So why do I think, even before we consider the Bible's teachings? And I say this as someone who grew up in the occult, was heavily invested in it. I can't tell you how many. How many. I watched every In Search of episode on Aliens, a couple times, the kid and on everything else. I was all into this. Can't tell you how many books on all this stuff I've read. I know what I know. I know who the Whitney guy was, who was the first credible person to write about his own alien abduction. Whitney Striber. I was in. I was about that life. I was in. All the way in. But when you look at the math, you've got problems. Let me share a couple of mathematics here with you that I posted recently on my page. So the closest yellow star system and as. And. And our science tells us that you need yellow suns in order to have the right mix doesn't mean you can't exclude, like we're going to get to a plant exoplanet that has a red sun. But the right mix for intelligent complex life that doesn't involve dangerous radiation from your sun typically would come from yellow suns. The closest yellow sun star solar system we have that has orbiting planets around it, there is another yellow sun closer to us, but it has. Doesn't have orbiting planets. So the closest yellow sun solar system that has orbiting planets around it is 119 trillion miles away. 119 trillion miles away. Now, some of you are going to tell me, well, Steve, if they're, if they've got the technology to come here, that means therefore they have the technology to defy our understandings of laws and physics. Right? That, that's what some people would say to probably put a bookmark in that. I'm going to come back to that later on. Okay? Okay. The best current technology we as human beings have. After 7,000 years of existing on this planet, it would take us tens of thousands of years to get to this solar system. Well, Steve, what if we broke the speed of light? It would still take more than 20 years to get to this system. More than 20 years. So even if they had warp drive like in Star Trek, it would take years to travel back and forth. What are the odds they would do so undetected by like the masses? Not just a select few, but by the masses. I'll get to that too here in a minute. Here's something else you should know. The closest known place we have in the universe that we have found with any kind of heavenly body capable of sustaining life is an exoplanet called Proxima Centauri b. It is 12 trillion miles away. The nearest known galaxy is 1470-000000-00000, miles away. Let me repeat that. The nearest known galaxy is 147,000,000,000 miles away. Is that a long way? Sounds like it is 12 trillion miles a long way.

[Todd Erson]

Also sounds like.

[Steve Day]

Now, the problem with Alpha Centauri B is its sun is a red sun. So as an exoplanet, we think that it has the conditions for some form of complex life, but it is constantly getting bombarded with radiation from solar flares and just the amount of radiation naturally coming off of its red dwarf sun. So it's entirely possible that some form of life cycle, like plant life cycle, for example, has begun on this planet, but then keeps getting nuked over the course of, over and over again by all the radiation that its own sun is beaming into the atmosphere. So with all I took, all the math I just gave you all the mileage and everything else, and I, I, I ran it, I ran all this through Grok and I asked Rock a simple question. With all of these distances, figures, all of the various scientific principles that exist that, that Elon Musk is talking about all the time when you watch Follow him on X. Everything, everything we possibly know as a species, what are the odds, given all of this, that an intelligent alien race has routinely been visiting this world without being mass detected by the public. Nobody recovering, nobody crashed. So nobody recovered a pilot. And they've been doing it all this time. What are the odds? And Grok told me the minimum odds are one in a hundred million. Now what's funny is I've run numerous odds and and theorems and formulas through Grok. Sometimes I just do it when I'm bored. This one took Grok longer than any other one I've ever asked it before. It took a good three minutes to do the math on this one. And Grok came back with at least one in a hundred million. Let me put that in perspective for you. That's roughly the same odds that someone will die by vending machine this year. Roughly the same odds that you'll die by vending machine. It's 1 in 112 million, Grok told me, is the odds that you'll die by vending machine. So let's go back to the point I made a second ago. Well, Steve, if they, they might have abilities to defy what we know about travel and science and physics and motion, right? That's entirely possible, right? Sure it is. But then that begs another question that's problematic from a worldview perspective, which is if we're already admitting that our vast knowledge of science has limits on the capabilities within the universe, then why would we listen to scientific absolutes from those same sources on the origin of the universe? Why would we do that? If we're already admitting they might be wrong on how the universe operates and how complex life within it operates, then why would we listen to them at all about what the origins of complex life were anywhere in the universe, then you can't have it both ways. Ways choose one. You try to have it both ways, though, when we're not really talking about science, we're really talking about worldview. More on this in a moment. The steve day show. 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Well, if that is the case, and that should certainly be the case, well then if, if the people who say they want to govern us by science cannot tell us the most basic fundamental things of how the universe operates, then why in the world would we tell, have them then reorder our human societies on the most existential fundamental things, then why are they right about anything? Now if we were just doing science in the scientific method, no one would be offended. No scientists would be offended that I asked that they like a real scientist would say, well let's, let's go through the method and test the hypothesis. Right? That's what they would say.

[Todd Erson]

Yes.

[Steve Day]

Except would that be their reaction of many scientists to what I just said? No, they'd lose their everlasting bowels to what I just said. Why? Why if they're not doing science, they're doing a narrative. And their true father, Charles Darwin said, I, I can't believe Christianity is true, for it is a damnable doctrine. And that's a quote, Jack. And that's what most of what we call science has been doing here for the last 40 or 50 years in this country. Now let's go to the next problem and scenario. And let's say these beings do have the ability to travel. There is a phenomena out there. There's. I don't have any doubts about that. The question is, what is it and where does it come from? Well, if they're going to. If they're going to come from, say, another galaxy 1470-000000-00000 miles away is the closest one. They're going to travel 12 trillion miles from the closest system we know that we think would even be capable of sustaining complex life. And that's if you and that system, by the way, on that exoplanet, you're essentially playing dodge this red, red sun solar flare on a regular basis and hope that you don't get the radiation nuke that day. Well, then that leaves you. As far as we know. As far as we know. It's funny, the people that want us to abandon all the moral absolutes, they say that a lot. Have you noticed that? As far as we know, sure. Well, then how do we know that you're not wrong about everything? You're assuming about where we came from and why this Earth exists and what the purpose of the human species is? How do we know that they're not wrong the entire time if they're even willing to apply the caveat? As far as we know. Right. Yep. Yeah, but that really leaves us only two options then, of how they would come here. Forms of travel beyond the speed of light. So beyond what we can even constantly what even we could possibly contextualize as a species, given where we currently are. But then that begs another question then. No one crashed. No one crashed. No one's. No one's held up. We got all these compelling images of the phenomenon. Have you noticed this? And no compelling images of the pilot pilots. And so they're using a high end of technology. They just mastered it the first time, if the. Every time they've come here. We just started having these visits. Phenomenon in the last six months. No, no, I mean, we've been having these particularly in our country, going back to Roswell in 1947. So we're on a lifetime now of these sightings. And there's, of course, this. The issue predates Roswell, but the uptick of it, the mainstreaming of it really goes back to 1947 in Roswell. So for nearly an entire lifetime now, the lifetime of an average American, if you were born the year Roswell happened, all right, you're now what? That's 53, 25, you're 78 years old. That's an average lifespan of an American male, actually 78 years old. Okay, so a lifetime. I was right. A lifetime. So every time they landed perfectly. Every time they. Every time they came in and out of our. In and out of our atmosphere, every single time, as we're testing all kinds of flying clumsily, by the way, if they're the superior species, we're clumsily testing satellites and all, and every kind of flying device during this period as well. We're polluting the skies with our own attempts at more primitive innovation at the exact same time that they're coming. No accidents. Jimmy in the trailer park never caught one. We've all got 8 billion people on Earth have one of these starving people who didn't listen to Sam Kinison and stayed there and starved. Own one of these. No one caught one of them on their phone. Not once. Not once. Not once. Once. Not one time, huh? Seems kind of weird. I'd ask Grok the odds of that, but he would probably return an instant answer of that. It's incalculable. Which brings us to another option. They're traveling interdimensionally. And then that opens up all kinds of different fantastical philosophical questions. That's when you'd get into time travel at that point. Because if you're going to travel interdimensionally, you'd have to bend time and space to some degree in order to traverse dimensions. You certainly get into theological questions there. I mean, we already accept that there is another dimension of existence. Correct. There is a spiritual realm. So another dimension of existence. Correct.

[Todd Erson]

Right.

[Steve Day]

One of the things that you and I were discussing during the break, what kind of being would be able to never leave a verifiable physical trace despite all of this kind of high speed interdimensional travel? Spiritual beings could do that. Things that are not natively material in and of themselves, they could do that, right? Yes. There's a term that a lot of the current UFO folks will use when they go out into this retreat they all have in California whose name escapes me, but they all go out there and they use a term for when they're going to try to connect with some of these non human intelligences. The term they use is summon. I didn't feed them that term. That's the term they use. We use that term in some context, do we not?

[Todd Erson]

Pretty dark context.

[Steve Day]

Yeah, pretty dark context, yeah. When you're dealing with beings that also would not have a physical form. Right. Unless they take yours.

[Todd Erson]

Right?

[Steve Day]

Yeah. Summoning. Now, I'll close with this and then I'm gonna turn it over to you guys. Because I've, I've, I've dropped about seven grenades here in the last 30 minutes since the clip of Billy and his show. I also think it's entirely possible when we are dealing with systems of life. The closest galaxy is 147,000,000,000, miles away. I have no idea how it would violate the integrity of the word of God at all. I know you disagree with me on this. I'm going to give you the last word on this. I really don't. I mean, an entirely different plan of sin, salvation, redemption, purpose could be going on 1470-000000-00000, miles away and have absolutely no impact or be felt whatsoever in a contained space that we call our own little solar system corner of the Milky Way galaxy. It is quite likely a human being will never visit another galaxy in the history of our species, given that distance never happen, because it hasn't happened yet and they're not getting any closer. Seraphim are described as beings with six wings who attend around God's throne. Cherubim are described by the prophet Ezekiel as having four faces, man, lion, ox, eagle, and four wings. God's already created beings other than us. So I, I, I truly don't know what, what it would do. I mean, another 1470-000000-00000, miles away might as well be another dimension because that's where the nearest galaxy is. 12 trillion miles away might as well be another dimension. I thought the, the, the, the comparison that Raj and Billy made to whether the Earth is flat, whether we revolve around the sun or the sun revolves around us, I think that was actually very apropos comparisons because we did have these conversations in the church during these eras that we thought it would somehow mitigate the biblical narrative. The biblical narrative is predicated on whether or not God became a man and came to this earth, performed miracles, atoned for our sins by dying the death we deserve to die, and then conquered death on our behalf by rising again so that we can now, when we die, spend eternity with him. That's what the biblical narrative is predicated on now, whether the Earth is flat now, whether not geosynchronous orbits within our solar system, and not necessarily what may or may not be going on 147,000,000,000, miles away. This is an op, and I would be very concerned about certain elements within our own side that would be prone and not meaning to, but since it fits a larger spiritual narrative for them about how spiritual warfare works, actually ending up being the conduits to infect our own Churches with this. And I'll close with that. Gentlemen, your thoughts?

[Todd Erson]

Well, it's absolutely an op, but it's an op that understands that the subjects are ripe for the picking. And that's why I think the biblical, biblical narrative that is confused on our own show today about composting human beings that were suckers for Covid and believe in the magical power of vaccines that just when within conservative Christendom cannot agree on leadership, baptism, who the Jews are in terms of salvation, eschatology. Yeah, if aliens are bought into the mix, you're darn right that is going to confuse some people. Now I don't believe there are aliens, which is the second part of my analysis. And then I'll leave it to Aaron. I just, I think the preponderance of the biblical evidence that we are uniquely created in the image and likeness of gods and that what makes sense of the redemptive sacrifice of Christ, that, that, that relationship. I think you have to have a God of the gaps approach to insisting, well, that's a strong word to allowing for alien life form out there that is intelligently designed, that are there space worms maybe. But are there other beings created in the image of likeness and God out there? I do not believe that.

[Co-host/Commentator]

So Steve, you kind of started with a foundation and then worked your way up, or in this case down from there, down towards hell. I want to do my best taking a stab from, from the other side of this. If you were hell, if you were the host of hell and you are attempting in your own fullness of time, when we have mass communication, information spreads at the speed of literally light. And you were trying to do a mass psyop on all of humanity or at least a trying to maybe finish off what's left of Western civilization at the very narrowest of scope, would you come right out from whatever pus infected rot that you've been inhabiting and rip off the. Hey, it's me, Satan. No, you just seed here, seed there, seed there. All the sudden uaps, aliens, summoning thereof. It's a normal thing. We've always done this. It's normal. We can't explain it, but it's here, it's normal, it's harmless. What could go wrong? You would just start to normalize this in as many people's minds as possible. That's what you would do. You wouldn't rip off the mask and tell everyone exactly what the game is. Like that headline from the Daily Mail, Bible changing and the stone guy, Bible changing. You would just seat it here, seat it there. Normalize it. Number two, again, looking at this, from what we think is going on here, a demonic psyop, what I think is going on here, what could we expect one of the next moves to be? One of the next things we hear out of this community of UAP enthusiasts, these summoning enthusiasts. You know what I expect to hear next? I don't know if this will happen in our lifetimes or next week. I would expect to hear tales of communication with these beings. And I don't expect these beings to deny their creator. I would expect to hear half truths about the person and work of Jesus Christ, half truths about God, creation, who we are, what this place is. Because much like Dusty Devers was invoking in Genesis, did God really say one of the most effective deceptions? The most effective deception, Half truths baked in everywhere. That's what I expect to hear from this community next.

[Steve Day]

Amen. By the way, the movie you quoted, I looked it up, had about 20 emails from people.

[Todd Erson]

Classic.

[Steve Day]

Could you know what got overshadowed by I want my channel $2? That's the classic line of that movie. Go hard. Romans 8, 20.