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What did you steal?
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Secrets Disclosure day is Steven Spielberg's best film in 20 years.
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Are they people?
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No.
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Are they human?
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Oh my God. Spielberg does this better than anybody in history.
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I can see it. They're going
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Disclosure Day Reading PG13 Some material may be inappropriate for children under 13.
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In theaters Friday.
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Get tickets now. It's the Steve Day show. And here's what happened while we were away. Brought to you by Guilty A jury In Collin County, Texas deliberated for fewer than three hours yesterday in the trial of 19 year old Carmelo Anthony and returned a guilty verdict of first degree murder over the fatal stabbing of Austin Metcalfe at a track meet in Frisco, Texas last April. Anthony was later sentenced to 35 years in prison. He was facing a sentence as long as life in prison with parole. The crime took place when Anthony was a minor, so he was not eligible for the death penalty. After sentencing, family of Austin Metcalfe read victim impact statements with reports indicating Metcalfe's father chiding Anthony for not being able to look him in the eye but being able to stab his son in the heart. Metcalfe's mother told Anthony he's lucky to only get 35 years in prison. Metcalfe's twin brother also spoke, telling Anthony he let the devil take over in the moment he stabbed his best friend. Outside the courthouse, a crowd gathered, many of whom were supporters of Anthony who attempted to employ the self defense legal strategy. Woman well, listen for yourself.
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What do you want us to do? What do you want us to do at this point? What I'm lost for? I don't know what to do. I got five boys, I don't know what. I ain't got nothing to tell them no more.
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Now maybe tell your sons not to stab people in the heart. Outgoing Congresswoman Jasmine Crockett hopped on some podcast to spread some of the most vile racialism you'll ever hear.
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Black women, especially black women who have black male children, live in fear and agony every single day. A fear and agony that I promise you. The Metcalf probably never spent a day living that way.
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In some better news, the Justice Department yesterday issued an opinion to the Equal Employment Opportunity Commission that a long standing set of hiring guidelines was actually causing discrimination by by pressuring employers to hit demographic quotas in their workforce, regardless of whether any intentional bias existed. Under the old rules, company could be sued simply because its hiring practices looked unequal across racial or gender groups, even if they were just hiring the most qualified people. The new standard says employers can use objective tools like skills tests and background checks freely as long as those tools are reasonably tied to job performance. It's a big win for meritocracy. After the downing of the Apache attack helicopter near the Strait of Hormuz by Iran earlier this week, President Trump said he had no choice but to retaliate. Yesterday, Central Command announced Iranian air defense ground control stations and surveillance radar sites near the Strait of Hormuz were struck with precision munitions from U.S. air Force and Navy fighter jets. This morning. Trump dropped the we are close to a deal rhetoric and said the regime took too long to negotiate. Said deal inflation accelerated in May as rising energy costs contributed to pain for consumers, though underlying pressures were less intense. The Consumer Price Index, a broad gauge of goods and services costs across the US economy, rose at a seasonally adjusted 0.5% for the month, putting the annual inflation rate at 4.2%. It's the highest level since April of 2023. Republicans sweeping immigration enforcement and border security package cleared the House on Tuesday, ending a months long standoff with Democrats over funding President Trump's immigration crackdown agenda. The Secure America act fully funds border and immigration enforcement through the end of Trump's term. It appears Democrats came away with nothing after defunding various DHS agencies for months on the topic of immigration. Belfast, Northern Ireland saw numerous fires set by an angry mob after an immigrant from Sudan attempted to behead an Irishman on the streets of that city a couple of evenings ago. The victim of the attack, Stephen Ogilvie, is expected to survive but will lose his eye and be deformed for the rest of his life. Here is the new mayor of Belfast, Northern Ireland, Roy Marie Donnelly. Just a few weeks ago I love this city.
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I was born here and I've lived in it all my life. It's a city great by its people, more hard for. I want to bring a message of diversity and inclusiveness to the year ahead. I was raised in an inclusive, welcoming environment where difference and diversity is embraced and celebrated and I'm proud of that. My upbringing has shown me that everyone deserves to be and must be treated equally. I want a Belfast that does that in word and in action.
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Well, you got your wish sister. Back at home, Brian Fair, CEO of the Southern Poverty Law center, testified in front of Congress. Congressman Chip Roy asked him if he stands by designating Turning Point USA and as a hate group with respect to
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Charlie Kirk, have you all taken any position since Charlie Kirk
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to Roy we unequivocally condemned the murder of Charlie Kirk.
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What about the listing of Charlie Kirk
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it is our position that TP USA expresses views and vilifies other people based on immutable characteristics, exposing them to our listing. And finally, why does public discourse on the issue of immigration suck so much in the uk? This debate aired on BBC recently.
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The idea of blaming our housing crisis on immigration is absolutely wild to me actually.
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Do you think that we've got an extra 10, 20 million people coming to country?
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Do you think that if, do you
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think that you don't think an extra 10 million people is going to have an effect on how do you think
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that if we lock down our borders we're going to solve the housing crisis?
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Is that going to solve.
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The thing is, the more people you
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have in a country, the more houses you're going to need. I know it might sound.
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He's really good at explaining things.
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Yikes. And that's what happened while we were away.
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That meme, we've seen that meme. We've talked about it before. I think with it the character, the hand drawn character goes to Jesus and says, I can't take it anymore, we're under siege. And Jesus responds with, I literally gave you the dumbest most opponents possible. How are you losing to this? I think that was a example of that, what you just saw. And Jasmine Crockett may have actually said an unintentional truth. That and more next year on the Steve Day Show. And greetings. Happy Wednesday. Welcome to the Steve Day Show. I am Steve Dase. He's Todd erzin. He's Aaron McIntyre. We are brought to you by our friends over at Trust and Will, who we trust enough to do our will and our stuff and our estate planning. Easy to use website makes it easy to create your will or trust online and it's fast and as little as 30 minutes you can create the will that lets you document your wishes for guardians, asset distribution, healthcare planning and more. If you need expert input, they do have attorney support available to you as an add on to your plan. But you can easily update your plan at every life stage or transition. It's what we use for our documents as well. All right, so trust and will affordable estate plans. Priceless peace of mind. Go to trust and that's the word. And Trust andwill.com dace trust and will.com dais. You'll get 20% off if you go to trustandwill.com days. All right. Coming up on today's show, friend of the program Brianna Morello is going to join us at the bottom of the hour. She was covering the Carmelo English Trial down there in Texas. Carmelo Anthony I'm sorry. Trial down there in Texas, where he lives or she lives. And then also next hour, we're going to play your favorite game, buy, sell or hold. And then also talk to Daniel Horowitz and go inside politics with him. But the clip that Aaron played there, I want to start with that, the Jasmine Crockett clip, talking about if you're a black mother with a black male son, you live in constant fear. And now, first of all, let's, let's be fair to Jasmine Crockett, fake ghetto princess. She went to a bunch of private schools. About 95% of you within the sound of my voice, could not get into her afford. So she hasn't seen a lot of stabbings. I mean, she's lived a fairly privileged life, despite the fake ghetto princess act, which is a way over compensation for her actual life story. But she's also saying something that's true. Everything she says in the clip Aaron showed you is true. It's missing, though, an important piece of context. If you are a black mother in America, you are living in constant fear for your black male child. The numbers indicate that Jasmine is correct about this. She's 100 correct. This is a legitimate fear. She just left out a key piece of the information. Who are you living in fear of based on the numbers?
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Do you guys know themselves?
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Yeah. Yeah. Who kills more black males than anybody else?
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Black males.
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Other black males do. Most black males that are in prison for killing are in prison for killing who?
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Themselves.
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The other black males? Yes. So she's right. What she said is correct. She just didn't apply the proper context. The data does indicate if you are the parent of a black male child, you should be in fear of other black males. And I. Here's where, you know, I think the right is at. And I think more and more America is here. I think the, the older generation that lived through the civil rights movement, that grew up watching television sets where they watched people with more melanin in their, in their skin than them over TV dinners, you know, at night, the family room and black and white TVs, and they watched high pressure water hoses, they watched what was left of the old Confederacy through the likes of George Wallace and others, try to cling to a defeated historical paradigm, to the last gasp, and I think rightly felt a level of guilt and empathy that their country was capable of that level of man's inhumanity to man, and set about to correct this. You know, one of the Great things. I just did an interview right before our show and about my new book, why Independence Day. America is great because God is good. And one of the questions I was asked is, you know, is America great? One of the great things about America is that our founders created a system that allows us to have generational course corrections. They created the very system by which the blind spot of their era, chattel slavery, could then also be addressed and corrected. Here's the thing, though. It is not 1956. It is not 1966. It is not even 1976. It is 2026. This idea that there is just going to be this indefinite period of victimology is over. No, it's not. I don't owe you squat if you're black. Nothing other than to love my neighbor as I love myself. The same thing that I owe Todd. The same thing that I owe Aaron. The same thing I owe everybody in this audience. You might be a tranny, you might be a lesbian, you might be Hispanic. You might be fat, you might be skinny. That's all I owe you. I owe you no generational debt. Nothing. Just because someone with the same, or lack thereof, melanin level said something terrible to you once. My. My ancestors were actually the. The greasy wap Catholic dagos from the turn of the century that the country didn't want. They actually lived in the ghettos before black people did. They found a way to crawl out from underneath them and enjoy America. You're not owed anything. I don't owe you anything. I was on food stamps, welfare, adc. I've ate government cheese quite often. In fact, I did reduced lunch until I got into high school when I just started working and could pay for it myself. I don't owe you squat. My mom had a kid at 15, then got a GED and then went back to college. She owes you diddly and pooh. Jasmine Crockett lived a way more privileged life than I have. She just happens to be black. I'm way more ghetto than she is. We're done with this and all the old incendiary language and name calling. No1under60 is impacted by this anymore. And let me tell you this, the younger you get. Oh, man, wait till you see what the people under 30 think. They not only. Oh, man, they not only don't care, they're actually looking to provoke you racially. They. They want you to know they don't care. They're looking. That's what the whole white boy summer thing and everything else is about. They're so tired of it they're trolling you back. They're like looking for you. To call them racist. That's how little they care. The mother who says, what am I supposed to tell my five sons? Aaron, put it correctly. Have you tried telling them not to commit murder? Have we tried this? Somehow my family got out of the projects. They were in the white trash part of town. Somehow we did it. I know what it was. All kinds of people just offered us stuff because we were white. No, we moved all the time. My dad was in, my stepdad was in construction. We moved all the time wherever the economy was booming, in places. We went where there was work. We didn't just sit there and starve. We didn't just sit there and ghetto. We went where there was work and we worked. That's what we did. I went to. I was in plenty of fights in school. I've gotten plenty of black eyes, plenty of bloody lips. Delivered a few as myself. I played violent sports. We played tackle football for fun with no pads. Enough. We're all tired of this and we're all moving on. And this stuff just simply isn't going to work anymore. Some fake black bravado culture just caused two. It looks in some respects two talented young men with loads of potential. Their lives. Carmelo Anthony's life is over. And it should be because he ended another person's life. And this was all done because of some stupid black bravado subculture. Own your poop. And you know what? It is just as simple as Stop it. Just stop it. You know, it is so funny watching old. Watching the. How the. How the Country Used to be on YouTube. I know I bring this up a lot because it truly is one of the most effective sociological experiments I've conducted in my career. What you can learn about how things used to be by watching archived footage of how things used to be is truly fascinating. Gentlemen, A few months ago I was watching, I just watched one of Peter Jackson's things that he's done for, for Disney plus on the Beatles. Like they're, you know, they're recording sessions in real time of Abbey Road and stuff like that, you know, and just fascinating, just watching like Paul McCartney just make up, get back like in 10 minutes in real time. It's incredible watching this stuff, right? And, and one of the things that they started that, that prompted me to do was go on YouTube and just look up some more of the, the, the news footage of what it was like in 64, 65 as the Beatles are first arriving. And, and you know, Them and Elvis basically are the advent of what we call modern American pop culture today and what the news media coverage was like. And one of the stories that I stumbled upon is a local New York reporter, ab, WABC and wnbc, one of those two. They go into Harlem, what they called it, by the way, the Negro neighborhood. They were calling it this on television at the time, right? So this is the early 60s. We went into the Negro neighborhoods of Harlem, they said, to get their perspective on the Beatles. You know, here's the thing you'll notice, right? Largely black neighborhood, 60 years ago. Everybody talks like just grabbing random black people off the street. Black teenagers off the street, male, female, their parents. Everybody speaks in a dialect you would actually understand. Everybody does. There's like, yo, homes, none of that. No jive talk, no Ebonics. Everybody speaks in a language everybody understands. Most are dressed somewhat appropriately. No one looks like they dropped a load in their pants and didn't clean them up. They're sagging down so fast. And I remember watching this at the time, thinking, what the hell happened here? Like, I would imagine, again, probably many of those neighborhoods probably vote thought differently than maybe we thought. Although, I don't know, 60 years ago, I might have voted their way because I detest the racist stuff on both sides. I mean, I hate it. I detest it. It's just all the racist stuff is now coming from the other side. In another era, I might have been in. I might have been on another political persuasion when it came from one side, but it's clearly coming from the minority side now. Clearly the rest of us have all moved on. And I, and I just think if you're black in America, you have to make a decision, am I black or an American? Just have to make that decision. Because collectively as a society, we're done letting you make the decision for us. We're not doing this anymore. We're all moving on. And I know you're used to still some, some Manby Pamby Republicans on cable news. You have no idea what is coming behind me. Aaron can tell you what his generation thinks. And I think I, I don't think I can tell you what my son's generation thinks. I don't think even I can say some of the stuff that my son's generation says about this. Like, I'm uncomfortable with it. Like, they're almost looking to reappropriate racist tropes just because they're just as, just as. Just to rebel against you. They're like trying to resurrect them Just to flip you the bird to say, no, we're not doing that anymore. We're. We want. We just like you guys always want. Todd, you like to say, they want us to know what they really think of us. The young male generation wants you to know what they think about you. They want you to know. They are eager to show you. They are eager to tell you and demonstrate to you what they think of all this racial double standards and bs. They can't wait to tell you. Here's my solution. Try being a better human. Try that. Try being a better human. I mean, if we're gonna. If we're gonna say, I mean, it's actually racist to make the case that living a predominantly black lifestyle in America makes you unable to be a better person. So we're really left with two options. So if a black male is more likely to be assaulted by a black male and a white male is way more likely to be assaulted by a black male than either one is to be a. By a white male, then you're only left with two options as to why that is the case. You make the racist case, the Darwinian case. See, this is what Darwin thought. Y' all are savages. He wrote that, in fact, lesser races. Yes. The subtitle of his book, the Struggle for survival of favored Races. Descent of man, is one of the most racist things you'll ever read in your entire life. It's. It's the guidebook to modern eugenics. I mean, you're, you're gonna. If I, if I read excerpts of the Descent of Man out loud on this show, you'd be like, is that a Dave Chappelle skit or, you know, man, is that. Is. Is that a clan manifesto archived from the 1920s? No, it's Charles freaking Darwin. That's one option. No, I don't believe that. Because we're all made. We're all made in the likeness and image of God. So I don't believe that that leaves you then the other option, and this is the only other option, then you have to go with the inferior race option. That Darwin in eugenicis Margaret Sanger. That's why she put one of her planned paradise on all of your Martin Luther King tribes. You have to go with that argument or you have to go with the argument that I believe your culture sucks and the rest of us are tired of paying the freight for it. It's 2026. Ain't nobody buying a house right now under the age of 42. White, black, gay, straight, blue haired, no hair. That sucks for everybody, regardless of which of these demographics you fall under. Can I get a witness on that? Yep. So, enough. We're all moving on. We're done here. And you're just going to have to make the decision whether you do or not. You think Trump's language is incendiary. Oh, my goodness. You have no idea what's coming next. It's going to be even worse. Trump's pushing 80 in about five years when he's likely passed on to glory. Y' all are going to have a strange new respect for Donald Trump. You're gonna be like, I mean, really, really wasn't bad as we thought. Your culture sucks. Take a look in the mirror. Take responsibility for your actions. Your culture sucks. This stupid fake black bravado hip hop culture cost one young man his life and then wasted the life of another young man and the actions of his own family. Again, this is not some ghetto. This is a nice area. If this fake black bravado crap has penetrated into now, even affluent black communities, your culture is more screwed than even I thought it was. You have a cancer in your culture rooted out. But we are done bending over backwards. We're done placating you like children. We're done. Your names have no power. Your name calling has no power. The rest of us now, we're going to just move on and be America. Gentlemen, your thoughts?
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I agree almost entirely with that. There is a problem, though, with moving on. I don't know how much lately you've seen these videos of these mass. I don't know what they call them, Aaron. You might remember they like huge swarms of black youth swarming places of town that they're normally not in, taking over, you know, breaking into things, scaring people.
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So thugs, rioting, essentially, yeah.
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But it's, it's not, you know, it's just. It's intention. They're clearly testing how far they can go. See, see, moving on is not just. You're right, there's fewer people that are just ideologically hijacked. They're not guilt ridden. But it's going to take more than thinking that we have to do something because they are testing all of our weak points. And speaking of crappy cultures, we have a lot of weak points. And if we will not deal with that with severe prejudice, moving on is just going to be deeply, deeply challenging, if not impossible.
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Kind of echo what you said earlier, Steve. I hate this story so much. Absolutely no winners. No winners at all. Justice was served. That doesn't mean there's always Like a clear winner here. Carmelo Anthony looked like he's a pretty well put together athlete, had some promise in his life. Both of the Metcalf boys, they looked like they were pretty well put together. But two lives are lost. There's no winners here. It's just senseless, just senseless. Just a total waste. That's what drives me nuts about this story. Going forward, however, getting back to what it actually means to be American. One of the reasons, I would wager, at least one of the mechanistic reasons I would wager that we have this racialist dichotomy or this racialist discourse in the country is because of things. It was kind of under the radar, but I saw a lot of people boosting it as the day went on. When I had in the montage about this whole, whole theory of disparate impact. Essentially what that means is that companies open themselves up to legal liability if it is perceived that they have too many. Let's just. Let's be blunt about it. Too many white people working for them. White straight people working for them. Sheets the gas station. That was a big story a couple of years ago. One of the reasons is that we have this system of partiality in our justice system. This system of partiality, at least when it comes to employment and things of that nature, where you inculcate the sense of entitlement because of my. Because of my immutable characteristics. It's no longer that I am discriminated against. I'm now entitled to something, or disentitled to something, or disincentivized from something. Things like that have to be undone. And it really comes from the top down. What I had about the Equal Opportunity Employment Commission and getting rid of this whole disparate impact things. These are some of the elements that really provoke the racialist discourse. That we've not gone from judging one by the content of their character. It's now gone the complete opposite way. Where we are entitling people because of immutable characteristics like the color of their skin. That is just racialism. It's cancerous. It's killing us.
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It's gotta end 100%, 10,000%. Todd is correct. We'll end up having to end this too. But I agree, it's not just we're saying so, but it is. It actually does start, though, I would argue, by saying things like what I just said. And then, then, then if we're going to say it, then it does beg the question, how far are we willing to go to reinforce it as far as it takes. That's the answer. You have every right to con. Yeah. If you're a private business owner, you have every right to defend your property. That's a God given right. You're a private resident, you have every right to defend your property. That's a God given right. If you're in Belfast, here with women's W o m y N s studies major as a mayor, well, she won't do the job. You're entitled to do it yourself. That's why there is a second amendment, at least one of them. So, yeah, that we're going to have to reinforce.
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That
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same thing applies here that I've said about Trump and Iran for the last two weeks. The terms of the deal don't matter. The willingness to enforce them does. Never forget, we're not a nation of laws and we never have been. We're a nation of political will and we always will be. But often will begins with words. We're done with this. We're not doing this anymore. There's no more loaded languages. The, you know, what you call the guy that just got nominated for Senate in Delaware and the kind of roaming bands of, you know, miscreants that you're talking about thugs and savages. Whether it's a white guy wearing with a Nazi tattoo or a bunch of guys that still, you know, with Jheri curls, they're thugs and savages nevertheless, not based on their hair, not based on their melanin, but based on their character and behavior.
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So what are you prepared to do? Sean Connery.
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Correct. But first we got to be prepared to declare this. That's always where it starts. There was a declaration of independence and then there was the actual acts of holding it firm. That's what comes next. More in a moment.
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Steve, it's always a pleasure. Thank you for having me back.
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You bet. So I know you were covering the Carmelo Anthony trial down there in, in Texas. Overall, your thoughts before we get into specifics, did it go about the way that you thought? Were you kind of like, I hope they really don't turn this into a racial cause celeb. Was it maybe looking like it was going to be that but the evidence was so overwhelming against him that it kind of still borne that, that, that attempt? I mean, what was your read kind of from a 10,000 foot view?
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Yeah, I think it was pretty obvious they were going to convict him on murder. I saw obviously and I reported about it, how they were giving them, the jury, the manslaughter option. And I thought, well, maybe if there' couple of people on there who are a little empathetic, they might just lean on. That makes it a little bit easier for them to charge him with manslaughter because he is still a teenager. But I was quite shocked how quickly it came back. I figured it would probably come back late in the afternoon. I wasn't assuming it would come back before 2pm and then the judge, I mean, the judge did an incredible job and really wanted to make sure this was a speedy trial. So the judge said, if we get a verdict in before two, we're going to sentence him as well today. And they did just that. 35 years in prison is what he is now going to have to deal with. He has the possibility of parole in 17 and a half years, and I think that's really, really telling. Listen, if you watch a lot of these media outlets, they kept focusing on the fact that there was no black jurors on there, but there were five minorities and they seemed to ignore it. There was a woman who was wearing a hijab, a Muslim woman on that jury, three Asians and a Hispanic man, and they were all able to convict. Now they were able to convict. And again, the media won't tell you why, but there were black teenagers who were his teammates. I keep emphasizing this because of the race element to all of this. They advocated for Austin Metcalfe, not Carmelo Anthony. They helped put those nails in the coffin for Carmelo Anthony. So anybody who was there, anyone who was paying attention, knew this was not a case of racism. This was a case purely of. And again, we don't know. Carmelo might have the intent, right? He might have been, oh, it's a white boy. I'm going to target him. He could have, but for what it looked like in the testimony, he was just going out there and was looking to pick a fight with anyone in the crowd over under that tent. And unfortunately, it was for Austin, it was him, and that's exactly what happened. So I think it's great that he's now going to be in prison for up to 35 years. We'll see how that all goes. Obviously, with the potential probation here, parole itself, I mean. But overall it was good.
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Tell us, Brianna, about the defense's case and how they tried to shape his defense given what seemed like pretty obvious circumstances here from day one.
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Steve, I don't even know how or what their goal here was, because it was Quite. It was quite strange. The defense did a horrible job at bringing witnesses on the stand. I believe they had about seven of them. The judge, as I said mentioned, was really focused on the speedy trial element to it. So we had court on Saturday, and Saturday is when the defense was able to start putting up their witnesses. And the defense put up three witnesses that day. And the first two were kind of weak, but the third one was the weakest. They were trying to dispute the narrative as to how, with this third witness, how the altercation began. And so this witness was inserting different things as to how this could have began. And according to what they said they saw. But then as soon as cross examination began and we saw the prosecutor step in and start questioning this defense witness, immediately, it was game over. The prosecution asked a simple question, who was wrong here? And this person literally said, Carmelo Anthony. And then it gets even worse because the prosecution said, well, who provoked it? Was it Carmelo? And that person said, yes, and that was it. It was game over after that. We knew that the witnesses that they have seen so far, the jury was more than convincing that this was not a case of self defense. And they didn't really even do a good job at arguing that. They tried arguing, and as egregious as this is, they tried arguing that there was a possibility that Austin Metcalfe could have fallen into the knife, but the knife had penetrated and went through a center bone, which was a very difficult center bone to go through, and it also penetrated both sides of his heart wall, the right side of his heart. So there was no way that he could have done this himself by falling on the knife. It had to have been forcefully jabbed and plunged into his chest. And that was one of the key elements, too. The prosecution knew they were going to try to do that to the jury to create some type of doubt. They asked the medical examiner and the medical examiner, before all this even went down, said, there's literally no way that that even happens. So they really didn't have a good defense, Steve. And even the people they put on the stand the following court session that we had on Monday, all week, all awful. They actually pulled down one of their. Their witnesses because there was really nothing there. And they pulled the witness on the stand that the prosecution had gone through and spoken to several times, and they didn't want to use the witness because they didn't think it was a strong enough case for them. And so the defense put them on their side of things, and it was actually the worst thing possible. So it was time and time again the defense really failed. But I guess I can't really blame the lawyers. I don't know how you defend a case like this. It's quite obvious that this is not self defense, that this was a kid who maybe felt emboldened because he had a knife and maybe thought that I could claim self defense. Like a claim, well, he hit me first or he pushed me first and that justifies what happened. But again, everyone disputed how hard that that little push was. Some even didn't think he even made contact. An individual who was sitting right next to Carmelo, according to the transcripts, said that he didn't even touch him, that he actually was just pushed, but he wasn't pushed hard enough where he hit the person that was next to him.
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C
That was going to be my next question. How much of the, the anemic aspect of the case on Carmelo's part is just because the case itself was anemic? How much of it was the quality of his attorneys?
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A
Yeah, I don't really blame his attorneys. Everyone who I spoke to actually said he had a good legal team behind him and they actually think very highly of them. I just don't know.
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C
So then the process worked the way it was supposed to. Then, all right, he was able to. That was the best defense he had. A jury heard it. The evidence was so overwhelming. Then the process, essentially what you're telling us is the process worked the way it was supposed to, then he was given a defense and there just wasn't a defense to make.
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A
Exactly. And I've never seen anything like this. You know, I've covered cases for a very long time. Now it's my time as a producer and obviously doing on air work and journalism throughout my last decade. And I've never seen a case this strong, honestly, where there was really no way for them to refute a lot of the evidence that was brought forward. A lot of the witness testimony, they had no argument. They had zero argument. I also think it was really telling too, because once the prosecution decided to rest their case on Saturday, they wrapped up a little bit around noon. Then it was time for the defense to come in and bring up their first witness. And when the judge called them to bring up their first witness, they tried to ask for the judge to direct the jury to bring it forward, a verdict they wanted to deliberate because they believe that there wasn't. This is what they said, that the prosecution hasn't made their argument. I think a lot of people on social media thought on their side the defense side thought, oh, this is in favor of Carmela. They didn't do a good enough job making their case. But actually, if you follow a lot of these criminal cases, this is a common tactic that's utilized by the defense so that their client down the line has grounds for an appeal. They could say, oh, my attorneys were inadequate. They couldn't properly put on a defense for me. Look, they weren't even prepared to bring up any witnesses in my case of quality. And that's the reason why I need to go through with this appeal, because I didn't have a fair trial. So it's an element that's commonly used. Obviously, the judge punted it because he knew exactly what they were trying to do. And he said, no, no, no, bring up your next witness. And that's exactly what happened.
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C
What's the aftermath here?
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A
I don't think we're seeing riots. I think a lot of people assume that we're going to see riots. I was out in the crowd, and I don't find myself defending those often who I maybe possibly disagree with. But there was a vast majority of black Americans who were there who did side with Carmelo, but they weren't violent. Yes, There was a group of them who were racists, who were trying to antagonize those who were surrounding white people for just being there. Yes, 100% there were, but I could tell you was less than a half a dozen. There weren't that many. And it's probably a crowd, a little over 100 people outside the courthouse. I think Fox reported it was a couple of hundred, but it wasn't. It had to be at least maybe a little bit less than 120, I'd say. And there was that small group. If you watch the videos, there's a group, and they're all the same characters going up and getting aggressive, yelling in people's faces. Savannah Hernandez had an interview with the woman on Friday, and I watched the interview, and she's talking about how she would just be with Carmelo on Carmelo's side, regardless, because he's a black kid. And if you're watching the video, she has a plastic bottle in her hand. And so I asked, is that wine that she has in her hands? And long, behold, it was wine. So in the middle of a Friday afternoon, when most of us are at work, she's there drinking wine. Allegedly. Of course, we'll throw that in there. And she's not doing what she should be doing. But then you saw her yesterday. She's the same Woman who was out there screaming about having five black sons. And what is she supposed tell them again, these people, same characters. It's clickbait. It's outrageous when you sit back and you watch it, but you realize when you're there, it's actually a very small, small group. There was actually a lot of black Americans, too. I have to give credit where credit's due, who actually went there to confront these Carmelo Anthony supporters. One before the verdict was even read, I heard him say, hey, listen, dude, he's being convicted because he did it. He did it. And I was like, thank you for being so honest. Another individual, he also, according to the new charges that have been filed against him, he was very much on awesome Metcalf side. He's apparently an attorney. He might have had one too many to drink. He was arrested for public intoxication. But he was going around telling the Carmelo Anthony supporters that they were dead wrong and that he's gonna go to prison for a very long time. So it was a little bit of a mix, and it wasn't all bad. I also posted a video, too. There was a group of individuals who were there, and they were trying to inspire both sides to come and. And. And. And, you know, find Jesus and. And to read through scripture with them. And they were very enthusiastic about out there for hours. I thought she was great too, just from a comicy comical standpoint. She was cracking jokes. It was a very lighter mood, but she was trying her best to bring everyone forward, even calling forward. The Black Panthers were there. She said, hey, Black Panthers, come here. Read the word. Hey, white supremacists, come here. Read the word. I don't think there was any white supremacists there. I didn't see them, but there wasn't. There was a. There was a group of people who were trying to bring everyone together. And I don't think the corporate media really wanted you guys to find that out, but I was there front and center. It wasn't all bad. There were some very aggressive, very nasty people. That was a small group.
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C
That is very important local color that you just shared with our audience there, Brianna. That was very important to hear. So then.
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A
Yeah, it gave you hope?
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C
It does. It does give us some hope, for sure. So then, does this case then have any great tentacles? Is it a tragic footnote? And at this point now, the impact is felt by these two families, one whose son is never coming home and another whose life is essentially over. So is it just a tragedy for these two families? Does this have resonate beyond this moment, broader culturally. What do you think?
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A
Yeah, well, I think it is just the tragedy because I think we see that unfortunately there's people out there who don't want to teach their kids that Carmela was wrong and they want to sit there and pretend. My parents always taught me, Steve, you know, someone punches you first, you punch them back. But you never throw the first punch. You wait until someone's coming after you to defend yourself. But there wasn't a punch thrown. There wasn't any of that. We're talking about potentially a light push. And Steve, you've raised sons. You know that they are very. Just hands on. You know, you guys get a little bit of pushy. It doesn't warrant pulling out a knife and plunging it into someone's chest and going right through their heart. He didn't hit. He didn't do it through his leg. He didn't do a jab it through his arm. He did it right in his chest. And I think a lot of people were very empathetic towards Carmelo, too, because there were the testimony that was provided by some individuals who said he was very concerned that Austin wasn't going to make it. He actually asked, according to one witness, is he going to make it? Is he okay? So I don't believe he's a total demon. I think that. I think he was raised by poor parents. And this is why I say that, you know, we talk about the fundraiser that was carried out for his legal defense. They race baited. They tried their very best. We all know that that was race baiting. But also, they bought a house. I mean, what parents would purchase a house from their son's legal defense fees to say, oh, I need this for security? My parents would sell their home if they thought I was wrongfully charged with something so that they could save me. But their parents, his parents didn't. They also left prior to him being sentenced. They weren't there when he was sentenced. 35 years in prison. He was out there by himself.
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B
Wow.
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A
Yeah.
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C
I mean, wow. Not great stuff, but great reporting here, Brianna. Great reporting. How can people continue to follow your
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A
work head on over independentnewsroom.com@my free newsletter. You can sign up there. It's independentnewsroom.com you're doing great work.
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C
Thank you.
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A
Thank you, my friend.
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C
You bet. Take care. Some outstanding local color there from Brianna and stuff I had not heard that was not in the broader the media. The parents didn't even show up for a sentencing. There were plenty of other black Voices that were there outside saying, come on, man. All right, this is murder. You know, I'll stop there. What do you guys think?
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D
I. The. This verdict is really, really important. And props right back. I've been hard on Texas lately. Well done. But here's the thing. We all know that there's plenty of states in the Union, even red states, where we would have lost this. And so therefore, as many positives as you gleaned from whatever you heard right there, it must. It must infuse in you a sense of duty to make sure there are no more mothers and fathers that have to bury a kid like that. We let way too much go. So whatever hope you have, make it call you forward to do more. You must do what it. There's no evading that responsibility as adult. Bad parents are just not in the black community. They are everywhere. They have this thing on autopilot. We must do more.
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B
I hesitate. I saw some of Brianna's and others are reporting from inside, I believe, the courtroom. And I saw how this was going for Carmelo Anthony, and it was not going well. I still hesitated to put anything in the montage until the verdict was returned, because I had this sinking suspicion in the back of my mind this could go awry. And so I didn't want to say anything in the montage until a verdict was rendered. And we can praise the Lord that justice was done. On the same token, however, hearing that interview with Brianna and her reporting from on the ground there, we should still, regardless of the outcome, regardless of the way that we got there, justice was done, and that's good, and we should praise the Lord for that. Doesn't it sound a little bit, though, like Carmelo Anthony, his parents, the defense team, as good as we maybe think that they were kind of left no other options than this verdict kind of left, we were. They drug themselves kicking and screaming to this verdict because it sounds like they made it. Maybe could have taken a plea agreement at some point, but no, they wanted to continue going on this way, and we got to the outcome that we wanted, but it was really because the case that they were trying to plead was just never going to fly. Never going to fly. Bottom line, though, justice was served. And there are, as I said in the previous segment, really no winners here. But at the end of the day, in a fallen world, in a situation like this, the best we can do is, I think, what we did yesterday.
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C
I think the point she made, too, it was a very multicultural jury. There just weren't any black people on it. So this gets to the worldview, the culture, the some rot within the black community. In particular, from a cultural standpoint we talked about in the monologue. Because I think if there was even just one black person on this jury, the defense would have turned this into a complete Johnnie Cochran temu Johnnie Cochran, racial cause celeb. But they couldn't. So they had to just make a case on the evidence and they didn't have any. Hour two is next. And we're back here with hour two, live and on demand on Blaze TV, radio and podcast with Todd Erzin and Aaron McIntyre. I'm Steve Dase. Let us know what you think about what we think via the stevedace.com inbox by emailing the show Steve@stevedevedase.com that's d eace like us on Facebook. Me we in Gab. You can follow me at Steve Day show on X Instagram and Tick Tock. Also, please don't forget, if you're a podcast listener, subscribe to our podcast by hitting the subscribe button. Or if you're on Apple itunes, that's followed to make sure that you don't miss a single episode of our show. And many of you have. So we appreciate that. And then among the many tens of thousands of you have left us five star reviews on various podcast platforms. So thank you for each and every one of those. If you'd add yours today, we'd appreciate that too. And we appreciate our friends over at Raycon. If you're still trying to figure out what to get your dad for Father's Day, Raycon's got you covered. Their everyday earbuds. Classic. They can be your go to for daily listing. I'd like to tell you they're my go to for daily listing. Except I never allowed to have my Raycons. They're claimed. My adult children just literally take them from me. So this is what you have to look forward to as your children enter into this phase now, Todd, they will just when they're little, they ask you what's that? When they're little, they ask you for everything that you have. When they get older, they just take it. Todd. That's how it works. So. So my kids can tell you that they're enjoying them. When they go to the park, they can tell you that they're enjoying them. When they go for walks or they're traveling or unwinding or working out, they can tell you that I can't because they just take my Raycons from me. Right. The active noise cancellation is Honestly, so good. My kids would agree with this. I'm sure that's why they keep taking them from me, that it blocks out background noise in a way that makes everything feel more immersive, so you're focused without any effort. Oh, by the way, right now they're also 15% off. All right. Packed with upgrades like multi point connectivity and more. Upgrade dad's everyday routine or do what my kids do, pretend they're for your dad and then just take them from dad. You can do that, too. Go to buyraycon r a y c o n raycon.com Steve and get 15% off. That's buyraycon.com Steve for 15% off at Raycon. All right, coming up at the bottom of the hour, Daniel Horowitz is going to take us inside politics. Can we really redistrict our way to victory in this midterm election? We'll get into that. And then we're going to get into the inflation numbers politically and the Iran war and what that may also mean in terms of how much of a course correction could we have. The President said something I, I'm fascinated by about 15 minutes ago from the Oval Office. He says, we've been taking Iran's oil this entire time. They just didn't know it. And now that we filled up 22 ships with their oil, now what did he say? I think he said, I've been really wanting to say this.
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D
Yes.
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C
I've been really wanting to rub it in, basically. But now that we've taken 22 tankers out of there with their oil on it, now I'm telling you, we've taken a whole bunch of their oil, basically. He was saying we're going to dump it into our own economy to lower prices and that gas prices will end up plummeting back to where they were shortly thereafter. That's essentially what he said at the oval office, like 15, 20 minutes ago, right?
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D
Yes.
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C
So hope that's true. Need it to be true. We need it. We need that to be true. So we're going to get into all that with Daniel coming up.
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D
It has to be true. He said it. It has to be true.
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C
I hope it's true. I hope it's true. I think when you're a negotiator, there's lots of things you say, and sometimes they're true and sometimes you're kind of hoping they might be. So I know this. You cannot successfully negotiate literally anything if everything you say is the literal truth at that particular moment, because then there's no leverage here. There's got to be some shrewdness in here, right? Sometimes it's kind of true. Sometimes you're hoping it's true. Sometimes it will be true. If you get the other side to agree, does that make sense?
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D
It has to be true.
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C
I hope it's true. Foreign let's get to buy seller hold. You guys know how this works. You send Aaron your submissions. No topic is off limits. We have no idea what these submissions are until Aaron is about to lay them on us. All right. We'll get through as many of these as we can. What remains. We'll do it over time today for Blaze TV subscribers. Now we can buy it, Todd. Once we see what it is, we can buy it, we can sell it. We are permitted a hold. But that is a. That is a moment of such emasculation that it requires the due penalty for your sin. This week, Todd, your penalty is. You're going to have to go back and find out exactly how Lindsey Graham celebrated his big primary win last night there in South Carolina.
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B
There was a primary.
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C
Exactly what was.
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D
You're going to have to do better. I already know the answer to that.
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C
You do? Yeah.
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D
He went to see he man.
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C
Touche. Because looking at the numbers, he was the one in the theater there in Columbia, South Carolina.
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D
He was the one with all his fellow trucker Glocks.
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C
All right, you know what I think? You know what? You got me. I'm just going to the point. Yours. I'm going to let you have that Point. Point Ravenclaw. You get that?
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D
To be fair, it was very low bar.
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C
You get that one. All right, we're just gonna let that one. I'm gonna give that one up. You got me, Aaron. Fire away.
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B
We will begin with Jonathan, who has this South Carolinians should be blocked from voting for a full generation in the great state of Florida should take over the responsibility of selecting their representatives.
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C
I could buy that.
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D
Yeah. I don't. I think you told me in the past some TV show was like the. The theme was the town was over a hellmouth.
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C
Buffy the Vampire.
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D
Buffy the Vampire's there. Is South Carolina a hellmouth? What?
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C
See, it really is fascinating. You had a governor turned congressman who left his wife to go to. Wasn't it Argentina? Mark Sanford, wasn't it? Wasn't that where she was? Where his mistress was from? Buenos Aires or something?
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D
Was she south there? Is he north or south?
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C
He's south. He was South Carolina. Yeah.
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D
Yeah.
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C
Then you had like the most conservative congressman there, Jeff Duncan, I think you found out he was just living a double life for like years. Remember that story? Just a couple. That was just a couple years ago. We found that out. Right, Right. You have conspicuously and perpetually a single Lindsey Graham down there. You know, tickling the light fantastic. Right. Still dancing out to Freddie Mercury. You know what I mean? It's a fascinating place, man. It truly is. What you doing at the same time you've got Greenville, which is like one of the evangelical meccas. It's a. It's a fascinating place. But one thing that we do know about South Carolina is they suck at picking politicians. I think we know that they're not very good at it, at least for themselves. Their record historically picking presidents is very high. Right. I mean, if you. In the South Carolina primary, you're almost always the party nominee in. In both parties and. Or get elected president. But in terms of picking their own politicians, they are really bad at it.
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D
Yeah. Because the rest of the country is choosing the menu for them when they have to choose the menu.
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C
That's a good point. If they had to start from scratch, in other words. Right. That's a good point. Todd. Dude.
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D
Point.
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C
Ravenclaw again. If it's not even Friday, you're bringing it in the middle of the week for once. My man. Well done.
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D
Just.
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C
I'm really not going to regret paying you next month. Yes. Good job.
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D
Raise the bar just a little bit everywhere. Try.
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C
I like it.
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B
Next we go to SD Brightside, who says if Pride Month were in October, the NFL would be just as reprehensible as the Major League Baseball is with Pride nights.
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D
Absolutely.
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C
Sell.
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B
They already are. Just as reprehensible.
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E
Yes.
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D
Yeah. Well, yeah.
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B
Either way, look at me dunking on
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D
Todd getting to his right. I love it. Breathtaking. Don't lie to yourself, folks. Don't lie to yourself. That league has taken over and they know they can because you're not going anywhere. It's an idol to you. You're a slave. Just admit it.
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C
I'm thinking about it because it's. I had not even thought about this before, so it's fascinating.
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D
How did you not think about this before?
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C
Because it takes place in June and not November. I try not to think about Pride Month until for one more minute after it expires.
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D
What makes you think about it?
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C
Just like Aaron said it would be fascinating? Because it's also when elections happen. I mean, you saw what happened in 2016 with Colin Kaepernick and Trump and how that impacted that election cycle. Stuff gets way more weaponized that time of year than it does in the summer where people are paying attention. So it's, it is, it's, it's, it's a fascinating thought experiment. The answer I'm gonna still say bye. I don't know that it's as true as maybe everybody else thinks that it is. Because here's the other thing. It's really easy for the NFL to do it right now because none of those things matter. They're not putting that stuff instantly and continuously on display everywhere. Most people are really not paying that much attention to what the NFL's branding is in June. Normie fans aren't. But they will be paying attention in November. So I do think there's calculations involved when the season is going that currently do not exist. But, but fundamentally you're probably right. We might disagree on the extent of it, but fundamentally you're probably right. So this is my just verbal processing a question I had not previously considered. So I needed a minute. Swell by.
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B
Next we go. I, I, I really think the NFL is really happy though, that June is Pride Month.
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C
That's my point exactly. Yeah.
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B
Next. Steve Cenny has this super late submission, but I've been hot on podcasts. The only person Todd will ever do a lightsaber duel with is JM Kata, the guy who wrote the Friday Letter, who started a new Christian school, it's board president, and has lightsaber duels with his kids. Todd, you will have a lightsaber fight with that man.
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D
So I allowed him.
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C
I allowed him.
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D
I gave, I allowed him after doing everything he had to do to have one with his children who are still children now, if he can't have them, if they under the age of.
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C
I allowed him. Cracks me up.
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D
Under the age of 12. No, stop. You know that you need to start raising men and you're not dealing with little boys anymore. But no, I'm not having a lightsaber fight with anybody.
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C
I allowed him. That is among the most smug things you have ever said. Truly, you're on fire right now.
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D
It's just me every day. This is what I do. I'm trying desperately to herd cats.
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C
I'm just this smug every day.
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D
I'm trying desperately to herd cats with a bunch of man boys who just refuse to realize that no matter what they're complaining about, they are the biggest part of the problem.
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C
I piss excellence.
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D
I do in this reign. I'm just. People hate that I'm right all the time. They hate the fight, that it's a guy My size sounds like me is the guy just has to remind all of you that you like video games.
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C
Everybody loves having Kermit the Frog poking his finger right in their chest.
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D
I hate it. Fine, then man up. All you gotta do is stop playing fantasy football, toy lightsabers and video games all the time. But you don't want to. You won't smash your idols. So don't complain about anybody else's. Stop being a little boy.
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C
Since the question is about what Todd would do and therefore he's here to answer for himself, I will. Whatever his answer is is mine. He would. He would know. He would know him better than I would. I hope.
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B
Anyway, next we go to trumpet tiger. It's time to effectively federalize state and local elections by tying receiving federal funds to the elimination of mail in ballots for all elections.
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C
Oh, I love this idea. I'll buy something else I had not previously considered. That's twice you guys have come up with some good stuff I've not thought about before. I love the idea.
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D
I also you bet somebody semi recently said something about like why are municipalities just being like their own private Idaho and getting to do it like states have a especially red states have a lot at stake. By their cities turning into hellholes. I mean why Tennessee should have way more control over what happens in Memphis than it's either willing to exert right now or doesn't have the power to exert. What this is. This is insane. So yes, I'm just.
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A
You.
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D
You inspired me enough to expand upon it. This is all of this. Conservatives for a long time have gotten drunken on a notion of local control as a just a bullet point throwing out there rhetorically. But subsidiarity is a far more philosophically honest approach.
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C
Define for people what that is in
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D
case they didn't remember. The power that is appropriate to each level of government should be exerted. It's not just a defense de facto local control.
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C
It's more complicated local control.
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D
It's about some. My point being the most conservative answer sometimes is federal power exerted excellently and with severe prejudice within the sphere of insulin influence it is supposed to. So it's. You know, it is an algorithm of sorts subsidiarity. But it's one that's quite frankly it's not just this is all of the great Christian philosophers have expounded upon it.
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B
You mentioned Memphis. That reminded me for whatever reason that city has not put up any fight against both the state and the feds coming in. You remember this last year, this Memphis crime crackdown for whatever reason, that's a pretty deep blue city. They haven't put up a fight. In fact, I think from what I've seen, they've welcomed it. I just saw this press release from the US Marshals just earlier this morning, actually. Since the launch of the Memphis Safe Task Force initiative, officers have made 9975 arrests.
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C
Wow.
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B
91 for homicide, 1194 controlled substances. Nearly 1000 firearm violations, 105 sex offenses. 293 were juveniles. Over a thousand known gang members seizing 1700 illegal firearms. Now, I don't know how you explain Memphis, but this was both a state initiative and a federal initiative. They asked, I think for the feds to come in, it's just indicative. It doesn't matter the city. You can just choose not to live the way that you live. You can just choose.
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Decline is a choice, as Ron DeSantis used to say. Yes, here's what I hope it means. You know, we were just talking about the rot gut. There's a rot gut element that has permeated too much of so called black culture in America. Well, it's a, that's a heavily black city. I hope that that's an example of, you know what, thank you for coming in and cleaning things up because we are tired of living in fear and we are tired of wondering what kind of schools we're taking our kids to and dropping them off at and are they going to come home safe and, you know, do they have to play dodge the drug dealer on the way back and forth. I hope that's what that means. I hope that's why there hasn't been a bunch of racialism and incitement and everything else down there. Because there's a lot of people down there that just so happen to be black that live in a lot of those precincts where the feds have come in under Trump and, and are grateful that things are safer and better for them and their families. I hope that's the reason why.
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I hope that's the reason why, too. Let's go to this. Jeffrey says the best version of Trump is when he leaves interviews halfway through. You don't hate journalists enough. You think you do, but you don't. Buy, sell or hold. I'm a sell. The best version of Trump is when he doesn't give those interviews.
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Ah, but that's a good answer.
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D
Good answer.
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It's one of his most endearing traits, I will say that for sure. But I like the spirit of what you're saying because you're saying it as where he is basically the vessel of our indignation towards these elements in our culture. Right. This is him acting in a way that the average person watching these biased media members would, they would like to think they would do if they were in their presence, but never get the opportunity to. And so to see Trump do it, you're kind of living vicariously through him. And so since I think that's probably what you mean, even though I like Aaron's answer better, since I think that's probably what you mean, I will agree it's among his best traits. Yes, I'll buy.
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I agree with what Steve said. I'm going to sell only because I don't mind that he still does it. But this was also mission accomplished in his leading up to his first term and early in his first term breaking this idle and showing, giving, you know, he created a permission structure that you don't have to play these games anymore. But now if it's just this, the enemy is, you know, look at the. They just gave permission to Graham Platner to run for Senate in Maine. They. It's not going to be enough to just kind of do these kind of theatrics. This had to be done. It's good that he did it. I don't mind. He's still doing it. But, you know, to the point of Iran and everything going on in there, sometimes I think Donald Trump, like, this is like, he thinks this is his, like, ace in the hole.
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The showmanship part of.
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It's not. Yeah, it isn't, man. It's not enough. It's, it's okay, but it's. You got to have more arrows in your quiver than just this.
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to Jonathan, who's double dipping Steve walking into the studio every day for the past eight weeks. Welcome to another episode of Gays of Hormuz. The game where the rules are made up and the points don't matter. And we've got a little meme of me as the host of Gaze of Hormuz.
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C
First of all, am I supposed to take anything from the fact that it's called Gays of Hormuz and they've got me bent over the desk there? Am I supposed to take anything from that?
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Yes.
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C
All right, in that case, then I buy. Yeah.
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B
Todd,
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C
wow.
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D
Sure. I'm just trying. I'm trying to unpack, to understand, but I think if I understand, then I'll regret that I unpacked. So. So I'm moving on.
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B
Can I get this straight? Three weeks ago, the ceasefire had an efficacy of 99.95%. And then like, two weeks ago, it had an efficacy, they were saying, of like 95%. Now it's got an efficacy of like, What? We're at 50% now.
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Are we announcing that we had a break? The Iranian Revolutionary Guard now can also get and spread Covid that the ceasefire now no longer works.
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B
Yeah. We had a breakthrough event the other day with the ceasefire when Iran shot down an Apache helicopter.
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C
I know we're having fun, but I think Glenn made a very wise point, which is the president is attempting to negotiate. Whether we think you can negotiate with them, I don't. But whether or not you think you can, he's attempting to do that. That does require. And. And I do think there is ample evidence that the president has used his reputation for erraticism, for being erratic to his advantage in previous negotiations. I think that's a fair compliment. Right. Okay. So I think that you're clearly saying there's a. There's an. I think that we're attempting to kind of shuck and jive and try to try to get them to. To the negotiating table. And I think. I think today this is what I was going to say during the opening monologue, and I just didn't have time. I don't think it's a. Iran has been trying. Has been ignoring us and trying to tap the brakes on this install for weeks. They didn't just start this. Right. So the President saying today that it's clear they're stalling. Do you guys think it has a lot to do with the current inflation numbers and that energy prices are driving those inflation numbers more than anything else and that it's very clear now it's crap or get off the pot time here. All right? They are going to stall, so either come the hell home or blow them the hell up. Like. Like I said last week, because they're not going to negotiate. You think that those two things are tied together? Because I kind of think that they are. What do you think?
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D
Yeah.
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C
Yeah. Look at those inflation numbers. You're like, all right, politically, I'm out of time here. So I guess if you guys aren't going to negotiate, you know, I guess then, you know, we send you guys to Steve. There really are 40 vestal virgins for you waiting on the other side there with a law. Yeah. What do you think, Aaron? I'm going to ask Daniel this later, too, here in a few minutes when he comes on.
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B
Yes.
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C
Yeah.
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B
Because what we've been doing the last couple of weeks looks pretty weak.
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C
Mm. Okay, let's continue on.
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B
Next, we go to Brutus, who says the 2026 World cup being held in the US during LGBTQAAIP2S +LMNOPQRST U v. Pride Month is not only appropriate, but also proof God has a sense of humor and proof men's soccer is super duper gay.
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I have to agree with my esteemed Buckeye colleague here and give this submission a hearty pie.
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D
Well, I'm selling it. I mean, if it's just we can't give the NFL the benefit of the doubt on June and then say with just because June is Pride Month and this happens to be when it. All this, this tournament always is that. That's what it is. But I will say that the World cup coming here and the ticket sales are apparently less than. I don't know, maybe they caught up in the 11th hour here, but because of the rest of the world's Hatred of America. Whether or not this is the laugh track on this is specifically true. The ultimate impact of the dots that people connect. You could be right about this. I mean if the entire sport of soccer is ultimately linked to the leisure arm of the one or government which is a fantastic line that Steve's always used. But if it by its, by its actions, if it's not just rhetorical, if it that proves out it's. It's going to be interesting what people what America thinks about this sport at the end of the next whatever it is month
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next we go to that dude. RB says in the aftermath of the Sors B case college football may be the deserved. This may be the deserved downfall of college football.
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C
Buy seller hold.
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We did an overtime on this yesterday
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sell because you said maybe. Again the math is simple. Right now we have all kinds of red light districts that that a bunch of men keep allowing this sport that they they won't allow Worldview is destiny. Apply it here. This, this is a joke. This is an absolute joke. A bunch of people who said that we had to have instant replay in sports because of betting to keep things honest on the up and up are now saying huh, I don't know kids betting it's just too much money. Can't stand in the way of progress
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C
to be fair the way we're going. I've not heard a single voice say that this is a good decision. The only person who said it was a good decision is a locally elected judge in Lubbock, Texas who's rooting for
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his team to have the Texas Tech people including Cody Campbell who people were viewing as they're doing it because now they're doing a Connor Stallions or if it's my tribe I will find a way to take manure and turn it into something.
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C
I took that, I took that as you were trying to say there was like some widespread acclaim or acceptance of this within the college football world. And that's what I was responding to. But there's more outrage against this than literally.
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D
But all the people everybody complain taking umbrage now this is just getting crazy how there have been very very few of us who have stood in the way of the crazy since the very beginning. Everybody else is just shocked, shocked this is happening. Have been complicit the entire time.
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C
What's the exact wording of the post again, Aaron? What is it again? The exact wording I think I garbled a little bit.
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The aftermath of the Sorsby quarterback of Texas Tech. Granted six year even after Sports betting. The aftermath of the Sorsby thing may be the deserved downfall of college football.
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I
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Maybe the.
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Maybe since maybe the operative term this
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is the downfall of college football.
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C
Well, his. But he said maybe it may be. This has. This is the most radioactive thing I've ever seen in college football. I have ever seen. Right? I mean I, I have loved this sport for 40 some odd years. All right. We've had Oklahoma football players literally firing guns out of the football dorms. We had Miami players literally doing cocaine and hanging out with drug dealers. All right, We've had point shaving. All right, we had Connor Stallions, we've had Hulk. We've had Eric Dickerson driving yellow Trans Ams after signing. Signing. All right, with another school. Ok? We. I mean this has been a scandal ridden sports because of the black market nature of attracting players and how ineffective its governing body has been in consistently executing its rules. My entire fandom. So people just have gone off half cocked completely on their own. The one rule that everyone has agreed to, the one. All right, this. You know, much of college football was controlled by southern car lot owners for the last 20 years.
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D
Just not true.
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C
It is true.
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D
It is not true.
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C
It is true.
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D
It is not true.
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C
It's 100%.
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D
It is 100%.
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C
I mean some of them may be owned like supermarkets and stuff, but that's essential monetary violation. First of all, the university of. Let me finish my point first. Let me finish my point.
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D
Many we got.
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C
We got punished for those things. Yeah. Okay. Okay, so then what's the point? We got punished. I don't understand your point.
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D
The point is you. You keep shoving guilt into piles that make the other people that are all guilty immune. This every. Almost everybody in this thing has a red light district that they won't confront.
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This is what I think.
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C
You think that your job here. That I am somehow. That your job here is to publicly push me to your position. I think is what you think.
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D
Not you. It's not.
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C
I do think you think that the way that you address it. Which is fine. I mean I'm totally okay with it. I don't agree with you.
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D
Everybody who makes a very bad argument.
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But you didn't even let me finish my point. You interrupted me. Okay, so I let you make your point. You didn't let me finish mine. And I did bring up the Connor Stallions thing for you and everything else. That was my attempt to pander to you. There's been all kinds of attempts to circumvent the rules of this sport from the beginning, from the beginning. There were ringers from the beginning, from the absolute beginning. Dave Revson did an incredible. Did a great book about the first 50 years of college football. And that's why they had to bring the amateur rules in. Everybody wanted to bring in ringers to win from the beginning. So there's always been sort of this black market aspect of this sport all over the country. This has been one rule that everyone agrees cannot be violated. And then to see it violated so obviously and publicly has created a level of outrage that I've not seen before. And so since he worded the submission, maybe I will agree with it. I still think it's unlikely because of some of the tough, some of the stuff Todd says, frankly. But this, there's a pot more of a possibility than before. So I'll buy the Steve Day Show.
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D
All right.
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C
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D
It was like, exactly this time last.
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C
Was it at this time last year? Yeah. And like, people like, was it Vander Plaats who just saw you, like, walking down the street trying to stretch your back out one day? My favorite stories, like, did I just watch Todd, like, hunched over, walking down the street?
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D
Yes, you did. Like Todd, because you were trying to
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use the heat and stuff to warm your back up.
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D
At least I thought I got carjacked. Like, are you okay? Yeah.
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So I've got this strained tendon in my knee, right? And I started complaining about to you. Do you remember what you said to me? It's called being 52 years old. That's all he said. No sympathy. None. Absolutely not. So what I started doing is, you know, if it's a strained tendon, let me try doing this, right? So I started using my rolling power massager on the tendons and trigger points around where my knee is sore. Loosening those things up, getting some of the knots out of there a little bit more intensive than I already do with some of the foam rollers and stuff I use. And I gotta tell you, man, I was getting no progress at all for like three weeks on this thing. In fact, you're not, I don't think, Todd, you've heard me complain about this for about a week since I started doing this. It's not better yet, but it's like now it's actually starting to get better.
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D
All right, so that's true because you mentioned this before our trip when we got on the plane about, you know, why you were going to use it and it was the most certain thing you were going to pack. Yeah, yeah.
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E
I'm doing all right, Steve. So you're saying that the chirp massage does not work like the gop.
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C
This actually works. This actually works. It works.
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D
Okay.
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C
Yeah. And not just everyone. Not just like sporadically. It actually works. Yes. Let's get to the. Real quick. I want to get to the inflation numbers. We're talking about this and whether or not we can really redistrict our way out of the midterm elections. We'll get to the second part in a moment. All right, so we. The inflation numbers are about what.4% higher than the forecast? I think it was 3.8 or 4.2. A lot of this inflation and this inflate the current inflation growth is coming. Well, as you know, let me reset this because I know you'll correct me. So let me correct myself before you get the chance to. We have while the baseline Numbers were going down. We have not addressed the baked in. So there's the baseline and then there's the baked in. Right. We've not addressed the baked in inflation that we inherited because of all the money that was spent starting with the, with the, you know, the, the money that we started printing during COVID All right. And so that's still baked in. The baked in inflation is still there. All right. So the, the baseline or the rate of growth of it, we had gone down in some places. But, but the numbers were still so baked in that most of the average American wasn't really feeling that kind of relief. Well, now we see that inflation in May actually went up 4/10 of a point. Even they were already forecasting it to go up. It went up even higher than they forecasted it. And, and, and really the, the, the, the eye of the storm here are energy prices because of what's, you know, transpiring or not in Iran and the Strait of Hormuz. So the President said about an hour ago, I'm sure you saw these comments, Daniel. He said about an hour ago, he's been, I've been waiting to say this, but I wanted to wait until I knew for sure that we got it. But we took 22 tankers of oil out of Iran is what he is saying. And we're going to dump that into our markets and sooner and pretty soon oil will be back down to what it was before. All right. The President also, after saying two days ago he didn't want any more conflict, didn't want anymore. He was just kind of hoping to settle this thing and kind of move on, is now rattling sabers with Iran again. And I'm wondering if that's tied directly to these inflation numbers that, in other words, we, we, we kind of have to crap or get off the pot here. Okay.
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Yeah.
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Either come home and get back to regular order and just live with the fact that we, we diminish their military, but did not maybe have a paradigm shifting win that we were hoping for or do what is necessary to have a paradigm shifting win, but choose one of these paths. This kind of word just sitting around negotiating and staring at the straight Hormuz thing isn't going to work. Choose one of those. And if that energy inflation number is directly tied to the President saying, I think we're going to choose a path here, what are your thoughts on those two things?
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So let's cover Iran and then move back to the economy. I know they're connected, but with Iran, look, this is what I've been saying all along he's suffering all of the liabilities of it. Regardless of what your worldview is on Iran, on foreign policy, on military engagements, because we were getting all of the pain from it, but we're just kind of sitting there. I mean, this is past a hundred days and for that amount of time we could have already removed them. And if you didn't want to do that, then why did you get in? I'm. It was so much so that even I, okay, thought there was some 4D chess going on because I was like, this can't be that stupid. But it's kind of what happened there. So, yeah, I mean he's got a crap or get off the can. But I just will say both on the technical numbers and even on the public perception, I think tuning our industry of ADHD and they focus on just what's in front of them. It wasn't the Iran war that created this. The inflation was going up before that. On the core numbers, inflation never went down in the macro. Now you'll find micro numbers that always fluctuate and particularly the ones that were the highest, like eggs and used cars, well, they'll have to come down a little bit at some point. And they did. But then the fundamentals of food and apparel and insurance, you know, the things that really people pay for did not come down. And they were actually headed up before. And this was when, by the way, right before the war, for a number of months, gas prices were almost as low as they were in his first term. And he all the metrics you and I talked about the last year in terms of the special elections and the polling and the voter registration, it was occurring. In fact, I would argue the numbers haven't gotten much worse. You know, I think there's a long term expectation at will, but politically I don't think their situation has gotten worse. They've been roughly holding their own in voter turnout so far in the primaries in most states. So it's not like the next level of cataclysmic in my mind. So I think my opinion, I know a lot of people are going to blame it on Iran. I think this has been baked, this electorate has been baked for a long time. With that said, it wouldn't surprise me if Trump finally realized like in or
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out, buddy, what would you. I walked our audience through both scenarios. I kind of called them the Ted Cruz scenario in the Oran McIntyre scenario. All right. And the or on McIntyre scenario is wrap it up, come home, we've got a Million problems here at home. We just simply don't have time for this. We were never going to do what must be. We were never going to do the regime thing anyway. So what's the point of just still hanging around? We're not accomplishing anything. Just come home. The Ted Cruz position kind of being, hey, you know, if we leave and they'll be emboldened all the more. They, they withstood the great Satan and we would have had done all this for nothing. And I walked my audience since the last time you were on both these scenarios. They have pluses and minuses. Neither one of these scenarios is foolproof, neither. If Oran is correct, we would have a short term boost by coming home, but we'd always be kind of looking over our shoulder, when are they going to violate this? And maybe they'll just wait like the week before the midterm elections to try to throw a wrench into that because they, we would leave them with some form of leverage. We would. But the, the Ted Cruz option, though, also gets us into who the hell subdues a country of 90 million people if we, if we take them out. This is way more sectarian than even this is. This is, this is as sectarian as Iraq and Afghanistan were combined. You have a huge Shia Muslim population there. You have the Kurds in the north. You have two separate armies with over 100,000 soldiers a piece. You have a large, young, secular, you know, population that we saw during the wintertime during the mass protests. This is way more sectarian than even Iraq and Afghanistan were. And so who takes over afterwards? We could. That's how you find yourself in a quagmire. I don't think, I don't think that either one of these solutions is a, is a clean, automatic, no brainer. They both accrue risk. So which risk would you be more willing to accrue here if you were in charge?
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So I've already said by default, I would, I would do nothing because the reality is we have not shown that we are willing and capable of fighting normal wars anymore. This ties into something I'm just looking down here. Tim Burchett from Tennessee held a hearing on this about the extensive waste in the military industrial complex. We're building insanely expensive weapons. He said by the time these weapons are in the hands of our warfighters, many will be at least partially obsolete. Most will cost much more than planned and will deliver less war fighting capabilities. We're at a point where we spend a trillion on the military. Trump is calling for in his budget, 1.6 trillion in annual defense spending. And we can't freaking fight wars. And one of the things I've been pointing out to people throughout this whole saga, I was like, why is it that Israel is able to accomplish a lot more with a fraction of our hardware? They also seem to have fewer mishaps, too. You know, I'm saying, putting aside foreign policy, there's something wrong with our procurements and the way we are going about war fighting. That needs to be part of this discussion, that wherever you are on this engagement, you need to know that after spending that much money and the inflation we talked about is because of this, at least we could win wars.
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Right?
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And that in itself should bother us. What. What are we doing there? And I still can't figure that out, but I don't see it ending well. I really don't. Because the President has to have a consistent worldview. He's doing a lot of things that are inconsistent. He's appointing Tom Barrack as ambassador to Syria and Iraq, which are, you know, Iraq is an ally of Iran. So what? We're fighting with them while we're allying with them. I just, I'm sick of this. I. By default, it's not what I support, ideally, but practically, I just think, let it be. And this leads to my broader worldview, as you well know, is that everyone is getting Israel wrong and everyone's getting the Middle east wrong. Okay? The reason why we get dragged into these things is because for 50 freaking years, 60 years, Republican and Democrat presidents, Democrats are president, and they go inside with the Arabs and then they go. And they. They get a leg up on Israel and attack them. Then Israel has to respond and defend itself, and then a Republican gets in. And this is true of Reagan, it's true of Bush, and yes, it is true of Trump. They put their arm around Israel. We love you to death. So we give them. And then what we giveth, we take it. And then they start attacking. But then before they could wipe out Hezbollah, no, no, we don't want you doing that. Before they could annex land, then they never wind up doing it. Pull them back. And then. So it's kind of like choking on a chicken bone, where you don't swallow it, but you don't spit it up. And this is how we're dealing with it in perpetuity. And I have said if everyone is cosplaying online in good faith and believes what they say, and they say what they believe, they should all get around the proposition, whether you're on the pro Israel side or neutral, don't really care about them. But you want to just focus on, on America, that, yeah, we should phase out aid to them. That's number one. But that would also be phasing out our control of them. And therefore that would obviate a need for them to try to lobby us for, hey, are we allowed to build here? Are we allowed to do this military operation?
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Because.
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No, do what you want. And then we'd have to abrogate the Camp David Accords and not give to their competitors either, and let the Darwinism play out. I don't think it would play out the way they think it is, but I think that would probably be the best way of dealing with it. Having Israel deal with it on their own, what everyone says they want. That is my position. That is the best of all of this. But sadly, that's not going to change.
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I think since you went there, actually looking at the time, we'll discuss whether we can redistrict our way out of this next week. Okay. Yep. But I think since you went there in two minutes, I think the concern is if we let Israel handle this on its own, then we are more likely to unite. Right now we've got this Arab coalition of countries, for example, who don't like Iran either. We're way more likely to allow this to become a unified Muslim Islam versus Israel conflict, which draws us in eventually anyway, because that happens now. All right. That Israel becomes a, A unified enemy of all these various Arab Muslim and Sunni Muslim countries as well. I think that's the fear. How would you respond to that?
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E
Yeah, I don't think there's any evidence that if Israel went all the way in Lebanon and finally wiped out Hezbollah that, you know, the Gulf states would be crying about that. I mean, you could debate tranches beyond that. You know, if Israel were to grab some, you know, greater land or whatever. But I mean, Hezbollah. No, I, I think they're done with them. Obviously, Iran attacking all those Gulf states, you know, that, that, that is, that is where it is. But again, remember, the Gulf states have the ability, just so you know, the Gulf states right now have the ability to get the benefits of Israeli ops
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C
while, while still genuflecting to their. Is their radical elements at home. Yeah. And those dirty Jews choosing. Yes.
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E
Picking and choosing what they don't want.
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C
Right.
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E
By having influence in Washington. Contrary to what people think, Israel's investments in sovereign wealth in American land is zero. You know, the Gulf states is tremendous. That speaks volumes.
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C
So again, I think that's a great point. I'm going to run out of time because I want to ask you one more thing. 30 seconds. Should we just do a series of midnight hammers and we just say to the Iranians, every time there's weeds in the middle of the night, we'll just mow the lawn and you never know when it's going to happen. And put their heads on a swivel and try to destabilize the regime by showing that they have no protection, they have no real sovereignty. At any moment we want to, we can just come in with a giant lawnmower and pluck the weeds out of there, and we can do it over and over again if we have to. Should we have just done that?
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E
I. I agree. But again, we've not shown a willingness, because one time that you have a school, that's collateral damage. If you remember that, it was a whole big deal. So I don't. I don't see that happening.
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D
All right.
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C
Good to see you, my friend. Thank you.
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E
Take care.
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C
You bet. Thoughts? Before we get out here, guys, when
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D
he was talking about. We need to figure out about what we use our military for, what our tactics are. I mean, going all the way back to World War II, every war circles this conversation here, because I think Daniel is fundamentally right. And going back just to 1999, the first year when the West Wing came out, one of its very first episodes was called Proportional response, and it dealt with this kind of thing, like, what are we doing? Why are we just kind of like playing tag? And if you do this, I'll do this. And this is just the way things are, and there's no vengeance. Is my saith the Lord. Daniel's really over the target with, like, we don't. Our military engagement philosophy is just a little bit wandering.
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B
I. I think probably from the outset, and this is something that you have hypothesized on the show, Steve, that Israel was ready and willing to do this on their own. We got in for whatever reason to control, take credit for what have you control the outcomes of this. And that has obviously, I don't think, gone to the original plan. And of course, as you've reminded us, the enemy gets, or the opponent gets a vote as well. But I go back to what I've been saying over and over again, just account for the Strait of Hormuz just being a sunk cost for a long time. That might be what it. What it takes. And just understand that over a period of years and years and years, Israel is just going to pick off IRGC members over and over and over again,
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C
which they're totally fine.
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B
Which they're totally fine and I think capable of doing.
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All right. We're going to stick around in the overtime and finish Buy seller hold. For the rest of you, we will see you Tomorrow noon to 2 Eastern, right after Glenn Beck right here on Blaze TV. Until then, go hard. Romans 8, 2018.