The ONE Statistic That PROVES We've Lost Our Culture | 7/14/26

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Podcast Summary: Steve Deace Show

Episode: The ONE Statistic That PROVES We've Lost Our Culture | 7/14/26
Date: July 14, 2026
Host: Steve Dace (with Todd Erzin & Aaron McIntyre)
Guest: Philip Sarnacki (Kansas gubernatorial candidate)
Network: Blaze Podcast Network

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Episode Overview

Steve Dace dedicates this episode to exploring what he considers to be clear evidence that America’s culture is in severe decline, centering on one key statistic: the massive drop in the percentage of Americans married and owning a home by age 30. Dace and his cohosts break down the implications of this trend, debate causes (versus symptoms), discuss political and spiritual failures, and interview Kansas GOP gubernatorial candidate Philip Sarnacki about political trends and cultural issues, especially the populist backlash against entrenched interests. The discussion is wide-ranging, lively, and at times, sharply critical of both political and religious establishments.

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Key Discussion Points and Insights

1. Opening Montage – News & Trends

[00:01–04:27]

• Election Integrity: Dace and cohosts spotlight Michigan Sen. Elissa Slotkin’s remarks, suggesting Democrats oppose citizen voter verification because their wins rely on non-citizen votes.
  • Snark from Dace: “If I didn't know better. I think she was saying that Democrats have a more difficult time winning elections when non-citizens can't vote.” — Steve Dace [00:39]
• Cultural & Demographic Shifts:
  • More women over 40 having babies than teenagers—birthrates for women 40–49 up 24% in a decade.
  • Only 12% of Americans married and own a home by age 30 (down from 25% 15 years ago, from 48% 50 years ago).
• Housing Crisis: Clip of CA Gov. Gavin Newsom admitting the system was intentionally designed to make building homes difficult.
• Data on National Debt, Inflation: Debt up $15T since 2020; inflation drop leaves little solace.
• Anecdotes: Toronto police and a parade of surreal headlines illustrating cultural confusion and “death of tradition.”

2. THE Statistic: Collapse in Marriage and Homeownership

[14:55–24:25]

• Dace shares historic stats showing the percentage of Americans married and owning a home by 30 has collapsed to 12%.
• Tradition vs. Nostalgia:
  • Tradition: Empowering, about values and principles carried in new forms.
  • Nostalgia: Paralyzing, tries to recreate lost circumstances instead of adapting truths to new times.
  • “While, while I would argue that tradition is an empowering force...nostalgia will do is it's paralyzing because it's almost impossible to recreate those exact same conditions.” — Steve Dace [16:39]
• Cultural Symptoms vs. Root Cause:
  • AI bias, birthrate shifts, Supreme Court rulings, and policy debates are symptoms—the root is loss of foundational tradition, spiritual purpose, and male leadership in the home.
  • “We gave up on our way of life in this last generation. He let go of the rope. And that's why you've got things like one major party in America...without foreigners wrongly voting in elections they can't win anything of consequence, they'll just say it out loud.” — Steve Dace [22:16]
  • Dace is blunt that “death of the culture” is evident in these trendlines.

3. Cause vs. Symptom: The AI/Epistemology Conversation

[08:49–14:55]

• Discussion of AI’s political bias: Dace argues AI is reflecting the brokenness of its human programmers, not causing it.
  • “AI is a symptom, not the disease. The human epistemology was broken first and then along came the digital idolatry to replace it.”
• Dace invokes idolatry—a cultural search for solutions outside of God.
• Talk of the “epistemological nuclear winter” in the West—people no longer know how to know what is true.

4. Revival or Bust: Politics and Spiritual Renewal

[27:38–29:42]

• Dace and cohosts agree no amount of policy or nostalgia will fix the culture’s deepest wounds—only spiritual revival can.
  • “It’s revival or bust. And I think we're past the bust point. We are in the bust points. If nothing else, the revival is the only thing that's going to save this land...The people are the problem.” — Steve Dace [27:38]
  • “Either we smash the idols or we're not serious.” — Aaron McIntyre [28:55]

5. Populism & Political Shifts: Philip Sarnacki Interview

[31:36–46:33]

• Trends in GOP primaries: Candidates to the right of Trump’s endorsements (akin to recent Iowa result) are gaining traction—angst over property rights, data centers, illegal immigration, entrenched interests.
• Sarnacki describes Kansas campaign:
  • Outsider populist angle; self-funding keeps him free of lobbyists.
  • “The people are fearful of getting run over by...some of the largest companies in the world, billionaires, etc.” [38:14]
  • Addresses data centers—local control, transparency, fear of environmental and eminent domain abuses.
  • Sarnacki’s campaign is “crushing the ground game”; property taxes are #1 voter concern.
• Cohosts praise Sarnacki’s grasp of nuance—balancing economic opportunity with local rights and political reform.

6. “Fake News or Not” Segment (Rapid Fire Cultural Takes)

[52:06–77:36] A recurring review segment where Steve reads posts or arguments, and he, Todd, and Aaron weigh whether they’re “fake news or not.”

• Judeo-Christian Tradition: Term is a benign academic descriptor (“the Jewish heritage of the Hebrew scriptures combined with the New Testament”), but modern internet debates warp its meaning.
  • “It’s a pretty inert academic term...has been maliciously demonized.” — Aaron [53:29]
• Pastoral Authenticity: Popular pastors criticized for being out of touch with regular people—being “authentic” means knowing and serving the actual people present (“You have to serve the voters you have, not the ones you want to have.” — Steve Dace [68:11])
• Why the Left (and Right) Gut Christianity: Mark Meckler post is broadly true, but the right also “cosplays” Christian language without substance (Aaron).
• Tucker Carlson and Overcorrection: Caution about burning down the entire establishment in populist overreaction; critique of Tucker’s current trajectory as reckless deconstruction.
• Anti-Semitism: Megan Basham’s post—obsession with Jews is evidence of spiritual pathology, but Aaron argues pathology is a symptom of overall church collapse.

7. Debunking Online Narratives: The Charlie Kirk Case

[80:27–95:52]

• A listener “Mark” sends detailed questions trying to poke holes in the widely accepted evidence against Tyler Robinson (who killed Charlie Kirk).
  • Dace laboriously refutes each point, repeatedly emphasizing Robinson’s confession and video evidence (“He confessed and there's video of him shooting Charlie.”).
  • Dace and cohosts stress that conspiracy-minded internet deep dives often ignore or omit core evidence.
  • The interaction is used to illustrate the broader pattern of “gnosticism”—obsession with secret knowledge, inability to accept plain evidence.
  • “What you're actually doing, Mark, is what people do with the Gospels...difference between symptoms and the clarifying event.” — Steve Dace [84:21]
  • Dace ultimately concludes: “You're probably going to have a tough task overcoming the fact that Tyler Robinson confessed. And they have a video of him in a prone firing position on the rooftop from where Charlie Kirk was shot.”

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On cultural decline:
  • “This is death of a culture stuff. See, we gave up on our way of life in this last generation.” — Steve Dace [22:16]
• On tradition vs. nostalgia:
  • “Tradition is an empowering force...Nostalgia will do is it's paralyzing because it's almost impossible to recreate those exact same conditions.” — Steve Dace [16:39]
• On AI and human weakness:
  • “The human epistemology was broken first and then along came the digital idolatry to replace it.” — Steve Dace [11:23]
• On revival as solution:
  • “If nothing else, the revival is the only thing that's going to save this land. It's the only thing always has been, always will be. But that's the, that's the bottom line. The people are the problem.” — Steve Dace [27:38]
• On the Sarnacki campaign:
  • “We feel very good...There's a pent up energy and excitement that we're tapping into to get somebody that is not a career politician...People are so tired of politics as usual.” — Philip Sarnacki [44:12]
• On the Kirk murder case skepticism:
  • “He confessed and there's video of him shooting Charlie...Those are going to be two objections are probably going to be very difficult, Mark, for you to get over the top of.” — Steve Dace [94:55]

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Important Timestamps

• [00:01–04:27] — News montage and the statistic: decline of marriage/homeownership under age 30
• [14:55–24:25] — Traditions vs. nostalgia; why the “statistic” matters
• [27:38–29:42] — Revival or bust; idols in American life
• [31:36–46:33] — Interview with Philip Sarnacki (Kansas governor race, populism, data centers)
• [52:06–77:36] — “Fake News or Not” culture wars roundtable
• [80:27–95:52] — Dace’s detailed rebuttal to Kirk case skeptics

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Tone & Show Style

The episode is characteristically snarky, fast-moving, and provocative. Dace leads the conversation with a mixture of cultural criticism, Christian worldview analysis, and insider conservative commentary. The tone is unapologetically blunt, with frequent jokes, quick-fire back-and-forth, and “say the quiet part out loud” moments.

Transcript

[Steve Dace]

It's the Steve Day show and here's what happened while we were away, brought to you by saying the quiet part out loud again. In the midst of all the hubbub about the Save America Act, Michigan Senator Elissa Slotkin came right out and revealed a real and obvious reason why Democrats are opposed to verifying citizenship to vote.

[Philip Sarnacki]

The other thing that we blocked yesterday

[Todd Urzin]

was the Save act, right?

[Philip Sarnacki]

Which was literally.

[Todd Urzin]

Liter allow this administration to rig our democracy so that it would be hard for any Democrat in any state to win any election.

[Steve Dace]

Learning Chinese today. Today's phrase is if I didn't know better. I think she was saying that Democrats have a more difficult time winning elections when non citizens can't vote. Meanwhile, checking in on the Democratic Socialists of America. So would you like to abolish the Senate?

[Philip Sarnacki]

That's part of our platform and we don't think that's extreme.

[Todd Urzin]

We think it's a change that would help make this country more democratic.

[Steve Dace]

The Consumer price index fell A seasonally adjusted 0.4% for the month of June, bringing the annual inflation rate down to 3.5%. The monthly drop was the largest since April of 2020. The national debt is up over $3 trillion in the past calendar year and up over 15 trillion since 2020. Iran Update American forces once again hit the country hard last night in a five hour nonstop attack on various targets along Iran's coastal region. Check out this headline. Ex Iran President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad is said to be under house arrest over a reported Israeli contacts. That story has been circulating again this week. Apparently Mahmoud Ahmadinejad had contacts in the Mossad who are attempting to foist him into power after the initial strikes on Iran back in March. That plot apparently failed to tell your 2006 self that that's a real headline in 20 years. South Carolina Governor Henry McMaster is appointing the younger sister, the late Lindsey Graham, Darlene Graham, to fill his Senate seat for the remainder of his term. Women aged 40 and older now have more babies in the U.S. than teenagers. Birth rates among women aged 40 to 49 increased 24% nationwide between 2015 and 2024. Washington, D.C. new York and New Jersey recorded the nation's highest birth rates among women in that age group for the first time. As I said, women over 40 having more babies than teenagers. In completely unrelated news, those who are married and own a home by age 30 in the U.S. is now sitting at 12%, down from 25% 15 years ago and down from 48% 50 years ago. In further completely unrelated news. Here's California Governor Gavin Newsom complaining about how hard it is to build housing in the Golden State.

[Todd Urzin]

We designed a system, a machine, over the course of the last half century to make it more difficult to build. It was intentionally designed. It wasn't by chance. It wasn't by happenstance. It was designed not to build. Oh, my God. What happened here?

[Philip Sarnacki]

Yeah, we're all trying to find the

[Todd Urzin]

guy who did this and give him a spanking.

[Steve Dace]

It's obviously this guy, right?

[Aaron McIntyre]

Yes.

[Steve Dace]

About 5,000 cases of cyclosporiasis have been reported in more than half of US States. The parasite, which is passed from poop to food to host, causes explosive diarrhea. Whatever you do, don't research how infected poop is getting close to your head of lettuce or raspberries. And finally, we go to the land of Canada, where the Toronto Police Department unironically posted the following video on social media.

[Todd Urzin]

Contacted by the Crown at the Ontario Court of Justice to assist with the

[Steve Dace]

case that they had.

[Todd Urzin]

So they asked me to reach out to the victim and make sure she's

[Steve Dace]

safe and take her home.

[Todd Urzin]

He drove me home in the fabulous Pride suv, and as he was driving me home, we reached a stoplight. And then an individual in a pickup truck came up to us. A transgender cop car. Look at that. Are you guys cops or you just identify as cops? That's none of your business. And I'm hands free, so there's nothing you can do. I'm just asking you a question, Sergeant. Are you cops or you identify as cops? I have no idea. That reality doesn't exist anymore.

[Aaron McIntyre]

Right.

[Todd Urzin]

Part of me was shocked, but part of me was not shocked. I am a trans woman. I've been transitioning for eight years. I get harassed and vilified every day of my life.

[Steve Dace]

Unintentional humor is the best humor. And that's what happened while we were away.

[Todd Urzin]

Example number 666, why you should never, ever question why a loving God permits a hell. We'll have more on Aaron's death of a culture update. And Slotkin's admission about elections is right in line with what the US Supreme Court recently decided on. Citizenship. I'll explain next on the Steve Day show. And greetings. Happy Tuesday. Welcome to the Steve Dase show, here live and on demand. I'm Steve Dase alongside Todd erzin and Aaron McIntyre. We're brought to you by our friends over at Freedom Project Academy. If you're looking for the right education alternative for your family this fall, why not align with the 2026 Christian School of the Year, according to Education Insider. That's our friends at Freedom Project Academy. They've been doing this for 16 years. Fully accredited classical online education firmly rooted in Judeo Christian values from pre kindergarten all the way through high school. If you're looking for structure, they've got real life in real time virtual environment classrooms. If you're looking for stuff that's flexible, 24, 7, any, any period of time, they've got that too. If you want a homeschool track that puts you and your kid in control, they can do that for you as well. And they'll give you 10 off if you use my code. Steve. Check them out at Freedom for School f o r freedom4school.com See what they have to offer. Decide for yourself if it's right for you. Had my own son Noah in Freedom Project Academy for two years and can't rave about him anymore. Then I let him educate my own son for two of those years. All right, so freedom4school.com use the promo code Steve for 10% off at freedom4school.com promo code Steve. Coming up on today's show, bottom of the hour. So we had a fascinating primary here in Iowa in our governor's race that drew a lot of national attention. And you had Zach Lane do something that has rarely been done in the contemporary Republican Party and that's beat a Trump endorsement. And he did it with a combination of factors. The ongoing angst over property rights and quality of life as it pertains to data centers, for example. Illegal immigration was another one. Right. Well, not too far from us here, gentlemen. In the state of Kansas, they have a primary coming up in August that is shaping up very similarly. And what do Zach Lane and the candidate in Kansas that's trying to defy the Trump endorsement, what do they have in common? Well, two things. One, uh, they both could sell fund to a degree which allowed them to build name ID independent of getting a Trump endorsement, which is vitally important to do. But then, number two, they're to the right of the Trump endorsed candidate on those particular issues. So we're going to talk to that candidate in Kansas, Philip Sarnicki, and see if he can be the one that pulls off the next upset in a Trump endorsed primary for Kansas governor. And the reason why I'm focusing on it is it's the exact same issues that had the Iowa primary go the way that it did by what, fewer than 1700 votes? Yes, it's the exact same issues in a similar sized State not too far from us here in the Midwest. And I think it speaks also most importantly to an overall trend line around the country. We had our Josh Dawes from the Blaze on, he's our most recent staffing addition here to the company. He's essentially in charge of AI for the Blaze. And we got into a little bit of it with him on some of the community angst, quality of life angst with the data centers and everything else. I mean, listen, we all want more data and faster data on these, right? The whole world's on these things. So we got to have some data, right? We got to have some, you know, but what's, what's the line here, right? Just like we gotta have some steel mills, we gotta have some, you know, coal mines, gotta have some, you know, I mean, fossil fuels is how the economy runs. So we got to have some data. We're not going to go back to, you know, we're not Amish, so we got to have some data. But just as the previous eras had to argue what's the quality of life between smokestacks and coal mines and steel mills and how much of that do we really want perpetuated? Because we do need some of it, obviously. On the other hand, we have the same debate happening right now with data centers to some degree.

[Aaron McIntyre]

Right.

[Todd Urzin]

And I think you could see when we had the conversation with Josh that these answers about how to balance out the quality of life of this technology is they're not easy to come up with. We're really in the terraforming stages of this. And what we do know for sure though is it is it is a radioactive issue, particularly in Midwestern red states like the ones that we live in and that Philip is running for governor in. So we're going to get into that coming up at the bottom of the hour. Next hour. I've got a two part fake news or not. I've got a series of things online that have caught my eye over the last seven days that I'm going to let Todd and Aaron decide if they think it's fake news or not. And then I want to address one person in particular in my inbox. Somebody did try to come at me yesterday with specifics, questioning the evidence against Tyler Robinson. And so I want to spend a few minutes responding to that here on the show since someone attempted to answer that challenge. And we're going to do that here on the show from, yes, that challenge from yesterday. We're going to do that here in the final segment of the show. But let's get into a couple of things that I mentioned here at the top, okay. And I think sometimes we have to discuss, I think maybe a lot of times I should say we, we have to discuss what is a cause and what is an effect, what is a symptom and what is the disease. All right, so one of the smarter guys I know doesn't mean we agree all the time, but I love Oran McIntyre to death. I think he's one of the smartest guys I know. We certainly don't agree all the time, but I'm greatly respectful of his intellect and I saw him responding to a post from notorious lefty Matty Iglesias, who was trying to be snotty about the fact that the overall bias of most of the chatbots that are available for free use in the country on the AI, on the AI side is what was it, 70, 80% left wing, their prompts or answers on most questions. And Matty Iglesias point was, well, leave it to conservatives to get mad, to be big mad, right? There are certain terms people use trying to sound cool and trendy and it's often the terms of I'm really just trying to show I belong and I'm one of the cool kids. Like fed slope is one of those terms. Zionist is one of those terms. Okay. And big mad would be another kind of these trendy online terms, you know, letting you know you're one of the cool kids. You sit at the cool table in the, in the social media lunchroom. All right, I sit at the cool table. Most social. Most of the lunchrooms of high. Most of the time in high school lunchrooms. It's way overrated, frankly, by the way. All right, so fed slope, Zionist, big mad, really what that person's telling you is they're just a double digit IQ wannabe desperate for affirmation and attention. So he tried trotting out the whole conservatives are big mad that AI is 70 to 80% leaning left. And you look at Oran's post about that and he mentioned that what AI, he mentioned what AI is going to do to essentially human epistemology. What's epistemology? It's the study of how we know what we know. How do we know that what we know is true, Right? And I've said on this show many times in recent years, we're an epistemological nuclear winter right now in the west right now. So he's not wrong about that at all. It is going to do exactly what he fears it will do to human Epistemology. But I would argue with our, with our friend and colleague Oran that that is a symptom and not the disease. The human epistemology. Epistemology was broken first and then along came the, the digital idolatry to replace it. It's not breaking anything. We're broken. And so we're turning to it to fix it, to fix us. That's what idolatry is, putting something in the place that only God in a place where only God belongs, or his word or his command belongs. Because the thing about Mattie Iglesias post that's ironic is for his point to be true, then he would have to believe that AI acquires its knowledge organically, dynamically, like a sentient being, maybe even like a God would. Except are AIs do they construct themselves?

[Aaron McIntyre]

No.

[Todd Urzin]

They don't build themselves?

[Aaron McIntyre]

No.

[Todd Urzin]

Do they code themselves?

[Aaron McIntyre]

No.

[Todd Urzin]

No. So therefore how would they acquire the information that they have?

[Aaron McIntyre]

People.

[Todd Urzin]

The people, the fallible people that are doing the, that are doing the imputing. Correct?

[Aaron McIntyre]

Yes.

[Todd Urzin]

Yeah. So it's really not. Matty Iglesias did not have the smart take on this that he thought he was just basically just admitting that either he. Well, either Matty Iglesias believes AI is God or he doesn't really understand that this just indicates that the people coding this are very, very left wing.

[Aaron McIntyre]

Well, you had me at Matty Iglesias. The interesting part isn't him though. The interesting part is you and Oran, because you're right philosophically, but Auron is right. Observationally.

[Todd Urzin]

Sure. And that's what symptoms are. Symptoms are observationally. You know how we know what the sickness is. Right. I mean, but, but ultimately you can, and for some sicknesses, all we can do is treat symptoms and then let the hope that that's good enough to let the body heal itself and, and actually break through the actual disease. So you're right. I mean, symptoms are the observation of the disease. He is not incorrect. But I would just say what that he is, he is, he is pointing out the effect, not the cause. The cause. We were already broken enough that we were going to turn to this to fix us. And that's why, that's why what he's going to, that it's a little bit like the, the, the, the, the, the, the tracheotomy you had to get and the, the fact you can't utter a complete sentence at the age of 73 without choking on your own, you know, pulmonary system. Those are the symptoms. Right, but the cause is the emphysema that you took because you smoke three packs a day for 50 years. See what I'm saying?

[Aaron McIntyre]

Yeah.

[Todd Urzin]

So they're both true. Okay, now, now why, why, why is that important? Why did it take us on that little detour? Right. There's a lot of things that we are pointing to in our culture right now as symptoms. And we're at many times trying to do symptom masking. And hey, at times all you can do is treat symptoms and provide a patient, or in this case a culture, immediate relief. That, that's, that's all that you can do. But you need to understand that, that symptoms are what you are treating. Because if you don't understand that and you don't, then you don't really know what the disease is. And I, I want to go to Aaron with you pointed out in your montage, and it's this graphic that Aaron put up there. Percentage of Americans married and owning a home by age 30. In 1950, that was half of the country. In 1962, the number actually went up to more than half. 19. That was 52%. 1970, relatively stable, 48%. 1980, we start to see a little bit of slippage now, 45%. But the 80s held things still. The 80s did a great job of treating symptoms. Now, this is important because this is also the definite. This is also the difference between nostalgia and tradition. And for those of you that have never heard me articulate this before, tradition is an empowering force. Tradition is how you'll look throughout the course of time and see that the things that you epistemologically, rightly divided are true, good and beautiful.

[Aaron McIntyre]

Edmund Burke, stand on the shoulder of giants.

[Todd Urzin]

Correct. Those are the things that are worthy of passing on. Now, sometimes, oftentimes in different generations, they have to be passed on differently. We, we are different. Technologies change, languages change customs, cultures change, right? So the means, the means of production of the tradition will often have to change throughout the ages. But the tradition, the heart and soul of the tradition and of itself will not. Right. What nostalgia will do is say we have to recreate the exact same conditions. Not just the truths, but the same conditions. It's got to look the way that it looked before. And if it doesn't look that way, then that must not be what we're trying to do here. And so while, while, while I would argue that tradition is an empowering force, it helps you to know. It's like a North star. It helps you to know that even when the culture, the prevailing winds of the culture, or a family are against you or your community that you're still on the right side of history. You've got the observational data here, right? But what nostalgia will do is it's paralyzing because it's almost impossible to recreate those exact same conditions. I love the 80s. I grew up in the 80s. I have a lot of nostalgia for the 80s. Okay? But we also. And, and as you can see just from this chart here, the, the Reagan decade did a decent job of holding back the spirit of the age for a decade. We saw very little downward trajectory in the amount of Americans married in a home by the age of 30. Right? But here's what the 80s also gave us. Porn went mobile with VCRs. No longer did Pee Wee Herman have to show up in a raincoat on the seedy side of town and risk shame and embarrassment. Everybody just have all this stuff just shipped right to their homes on video cassette now covered by black bags. The 80s gave us latchkey Kids. You want to know why cartoons became day to day phenomenon and not just on Saturday mornings? Well, because for decades we just assumed as a culture that the parents wouldn't let you come home from school and just watch our cartoons all day. There was, there was homework to do, there was band practice, football practice, go outside and play. You weren't just going to watch cartoons all day. But then we have this thing in the 80s called latchkey kids. And so now there's no one at home when you and I get home from school. Right? Both parents are working full time. And so essentially Thundercats and Voltron and GI Joe kind of babysat us. And Inspector Gadget, they acted kind of as babysitters for us. The 80s gave us, as much as I love Ronald Reagan, but the 80s gave us amnesty and the immigration policy that has threatened to wreck America today, which I'll get to in a minute. Its origin, its genesis, is the Reagan amnesty of 86. As much as I love and admire Reagan, he also signed the 1986 Vaccine Indemnity act that put us on the very path we've been on with Big Pharma ever since. Now, tradition says, the stuff I love about Reagan, that's the stuff that stands the test of time. Let's try to recreate that in our own way, in our own time. Right?

[Aaron McIntyre]

Yes.

[Todd Urzin]

Nostalgia says, who's the next Reagan? And how do we make it look like the 80s? Let's bring back the big hair. I do kind of miss chicks with the big hair, I gotta be honest with you. But that's my own preference. That's nostalgia talking, right?

[Aaron McIntyre]

Yes.

[Todd Urzin]

Because all, all the 80s did was hold back what was already coming. You can just see now, 2000, we're down to 35%. 2010, we're down to 25% and now we're sitting at 12%. 12% of Americans age 30 are married and in a home that they own. 12, 12. So did the 80s save us?

[Aaron McIntyre]

No.

[Todd Urzin]

Did they hold back what was coming against us?

[Aaron McIntyre]

For a bit, yeah.

[Todd Urzin]

For a bit then.

[Aaron McIntyre]

For a bit, yeah. Yeah.

[Todd Urzin]

In 2021, you could on average obtain a mortgage of $500,000 in America unless you lived in a place like California where you know is outside of the median margins because of how crazy everything is out there. But on average in America you could get a home of $500,000, 30 year fixed rate mortgage for $2,100 a month in 2021. We live in a nice house, same house we've lived in for 20 years. You guys have been there many times. It's a, it's a nice house. It's not like gated community stuff, but it's a nice house. We have. Yeah. We just for the first time had a house. We've lived there for 20 years. We just for the first time on our street had a house go up for sale for, and sell for 500k. We bought our house there 20 years ago for I want to say 240, I think is what we bought it for. So you could get a $500,000 mortgage, 30 year fixed rate for 2100 bucks a month in America in 2021. Today that amount is 3, 200amonth on average. It is more likely. Now that's some other data that Aaron cited. It is more likely that a woman in her 40s will be married and pregnant than a woman who is 19 for the first time in American history. That stat. First time. Now to be fair, some of this is we're just handing out birth control like candy nowadays, Right? So there's a lot more that is known about what does and doesn't cause pregnancy. There's a lot more deterrence available to not get pregnant. And then of course, we killed 60 million of our own babies, many of them probably killed by teenage girls. That had something to do with the lack of birth rate there, right?

[Aaron McIntyre]

Yes.

[Todd Urzin]

So there are some other factors here where the record birth rate of women over 40 is concerned, but it also sadly fits into the overall trend line here that I'm talking about too. So I will admit where the women are Concerned. There's some other mitigating factors here, But 50 years ago in this country it was way more likely a 19 year old woman was going to be married with a kid than a 42 year old woman was going to be having a kid. Way more likely. And when you throw in these other cultural trends now, it is more likely a 30 year old man will be still living at home with a parent than living in a home with a wife and a kid. And then the aforementioned percentage of Americans married and owning a home by age 30. This is death of a culture stuff. See, we gave up on our way of life in this last generation. He let go of the rope. And that's why you've got things like one major party in America. You know, I love when we bust out these clips of Chuck Schumer from 1993 demanding an end and Harry Reid. You guys have seen those clips, right? Harry Reid and Chuck Schumer from the early to mid-90s demanding we do something about illegal immigration. Right? You guys have seen those clips. We love to throw that stuff around, right? And now they're the political party that will just openly admit, as you just heard there from Slotkin in the, in Aaron's montage, now they're the political party that will just openly admit to us without foreigners wrongly voting in elections they can't win anything of consequence, they'll just say it out loud. Now see, that is the symptom, the death of the culture trend lines I showed you is the disease. We just gave up on passing down who we are as a people. And since primarily, not exclusively, but primarily, that is the role of the father in the home, this points right at the men. Not only at the men, but primarily at the men. This is what headship means. You're first in line in the accountability flowchart. In the kingdom of God, you're first in line. God was well aware that it was Eve who was tempted when he confronted them. Who did he call forth in the garden? Adam. Because Adam is the head. We just gave up on our way of life. We gave up on passing it, passing it down. These outrages like the Supreme Court ruling a week and a half ago that literally right now anyone on the planet is a potential American. Any of the eight and a half billion people on planet Earth are potentially an American at any point in time. Once you rule that, then anybody's a potential voter at any point in time, then, right? Yeah, anybody is. Anybody is. If you're a potential American, then at any, if anyone on planet Earth from here to Timbuktu, from here to the north and South Poles. Anyone within the Magellan sailing path is. Could be a potential American at a moment's notice. Then why isn't anybody just a potential voter then in America at any at a moment's notice? So the same thing.

[Aaron McIntyre]

All hail Amy Comey Barrett.

[Todd Urzin]

Yes. Who wants to go up to Capitol Hill today and complain about death threats, which is terrible, but the same people that are threatening her are the same ones whose asses she keeps kissing. So, I mean, I don't. I mean, what. Who's more pathetic? The one that the people lobbying, the death threats are the one that it keeps trying to cater to, the people giving her the death threats, and they won't receive the catering. But all of that is symptomatic. This is the disease. The reason why there's a real threat, we're going to lose this culture for good in this era, is because we gave up on passing on who we are. We gave up on it. Similarly, the reason why AI may break human epistemology, as Oran says, is because we gave up on our own agency. And so now we're just looking for something to fix us, aside from the only thing that can. Christ, only thing that can save us. But we. We want everything other than that. Gentlemen, your thoughts?

[Aaron McIntyre]

Yeah. You saw, Steve, that the actor Sam Neill died.

[Todd Urzin]

I did, yeah.

[Aaron McIntyre]

Yeah. They just had a great interview that's been going the rounds and making an impact on people. And he was talking about when he went to college, his first year, he was acting, chasing girls, but finals are coming along. And he realized, man, I don't think I'm going to be able to hack this. And he went and he was talking to his mom and he said his mom was a kind of a stoic old school, been through a lot. And she just said, you know, son, sometimes you just need to pull yourself together. There is almost all the truth we need as a people if we really want to go back. Right there.

[Steve Dace]

Amen. And this entire conversation is kind of the basis of why I said, you know, when it comes to AI and some of the tools and some of the doors that it can unlock for individuals, if we were a moral and religious people, I would be saying, full speed ahead, 100%, no looking back, because this is going to turbo. A moral and religious people would be able to see it for the tool that it is, the value added that it is the turbocharging of their efficiency, the turbocharging of their productivity, the turbocharging of their creativity, the turbocharging of whatever these gifts and abilities God has given them. Instead of the chatbot that is leaning to the left 100%, it's just 100% of the time. A moral and religious people would be able to see that. So to get back to it or once again, it's revival or bust. And I think we're past the bust point. We are in the bust points. If nothing else, the revival is the only thing that's going to save this land. It's the only thing always has been, always will be. But that's the, that's the bottom line. The people are the problem.

[Todd Urzin]

Which means then ultimately we have to, we have to fix the people then, right? Or at least, at least a critical mass of the people. We at least have to fix a critical, critical mass of the people.

[Aaron McIntyre]

Old pastor friend of yours looked at a bunch of other old pastors and said, you guys really want revival? You know what it's going to take? There's no way to do what we're talking about unless we smash the idols. I mean, the Babylon Bee had it. Did you just see today study? Average American now complains more in a week than people living through the black plague did in their entire lives. That's just prophecy right there. We're addicted to comfort, which means we complain more. All the math is out of whack. So we have to. We have to, we have to, we have to. It's not my preference. It's not Todd's law. Either we smash the idols or we're not serious.

[Todd Urzin]

So we could use politics and culture and we need to get way more aggressive to even accomplish this. What I'm about to say, we can use this for, you know, like you saw in the 80s, to kind of create a force field, a shield to hold it back for a time, right?

[Aaron McIntyre]

Yes.

[Todd Urzin]

So we can do that. We can, we can treat the symptoms with political and cultural and philosophical influence. But ultimately, if the people are what is broken, then that's the treating of the disease is. You need awakening, you need spiritual revival. The steve day show. So it's no secret that Donald Trump is the rightful king of the Republican Party, is the king that the overwhelming majority of Republicans want. And we did just commemorate the two year anniversary of him nearly getting shot in the brain for representing us. And I do kind of think, and all of us do agree on to varying degrees on this show, that it is kind of a dude code thing that when you're getting shot out for representing a group of people You've kind of earned at least some of that kingship fair. Yeah, at least some of it. Now, we're Americans, so we don't think kings are infallible either. Right, right, right. Okay. But you know, it's very difficult to beat a Trump endorsement in a Republican primary. There's only a couple of times that it's occurred. One of them, and maybe the most high profile one was in our own home state of Iowa back in June. And you saw, you saw some connected issues there that are playing out in a couple of other places, Oklahoma, Georgia, where Trump endorsements have been threatened and now maybe in the Kansas governor's race. And that's why we want to welcome in Philip Sarnacki. He's running for governor in Kansas and he's our joint. He's our guest here on the Steve Day Show. Good to see you, Philip. How are you?

[Philip Sarnacki]

Hey, Steve. I am doing great. Thanks so much for having me.

[Todd Urzin]

Yes. So let's. You're welcome. So thank you for joining us. So the reason we wanted to have you on and talk about your governor's race is because I think and the reason why the Iowa. There were two reasons why the Iowa race here in our home state captured so much of my fellow national media members attention on the right. One, just the rarity of someone defeating a Trump endorsement. But two, underneath the surface within our base, there are some issues of angst that are really simmering. H1B visas and data centers. And then you're just lifelong like it's funny now one of the things that Lindsay Graham's being lauded for in death, I don't know if you've seen this, Philip, is that he was only, he was only worth 1.5 million despite being in the Senate for 30 years.

[Philip Sarnacki]

Meaning that.

[Todd Urzin]

Interesting. So people are like, hey, there's, we found one example of someone who didn't use the process to necessarily enrich themselves as many of the, the rest of these folks do. So entrenched interests, data centers, and those two things often go together. Right. And so we're seeing that the, even Trump's base can get a little skittish in endorsements if someone is running that more lines up with who they think Trump is than his own endorsement. And in, in both in Iowa with, with Zach and, and his success in the private sector and yours, you guys are able to self fund at least get on the field to, to not rely on a couple of hand handful of endorsements for voters to know about you. So you have a critical mass of name ID that can make you competitive, that can give you a platform now to speak to these kinds of issues. And I saw that, am I right? That kind of the same dynamic is playing out now here that we saw in Iowa, in Kansas.

[Philip Sarnacki]

Well, you're exactly right. And the similarities are striking. Zach, who I actually know Zach. Zach and I met in my office in Kansas last summer. We spent a couple hours together and I had told him I was going to announce my run for governor. And he kind of surprised me because I didn't know this. When he came to my office, he said, you know, I'm really thinking about running for governor of Iowa. And so we had a wonderful, you know, probably two hour conversation. But we're both outsiders. Neither one of us have ever run for office prior to this. We are both business leaders. I have been, I've owned businesses in the financial world, the auto space, movie production. You and I have that in common for the last 36 years. I'm Maha endorsed, just like Zach Kansans for Health Freedom also endorsed me as well. So there are striking similarities. And I am running against, as you said, a Trump endorsed candidate. But the Trump endorsed candidate, very similar to the candidate in Iowa, is literally the living manifestation of a career politician, 22 years in the legislature, is the state Senate president. And he, he really hasn't had a job outside of politics in about a quarter of a century and has unfortunately used that office. What you were discussing earlier for, for taxpayers to pay things like a chief suite at the new or the new stadium that'll be coming to Kansas, paid for by the taxpayers, private jets, paid for by the taxpayers. There's been kind of an explosive news story down here just recently. Now, I've known about it for a long time. A lot of people have. You know, he makes about $83,000, I think, as Senate president, but he has a, a quote unquote job at Wichita State University that pays him well over $200,000 a year. And the people that work there don't even know who he is. And it's kind of a no show job. People have known about this and you know, he appoints the committee that determines the funding for Wichita State University. So seems to be a little bit of a quid pro quo there. So he has really mastered kind of the political game. Very, very good at unfortunately enriching himself and his lifestyle. Very bought and paid for by the lobbyists and the special interest, Steve, and you mentioned, you know, the ability to fund a good chunk of your campaign. Now we actually have raised A lot of money. We've done it from individuals, grassroots, and a lot of business people. There's obviously business owners that love my business background and my outsider background. So we funded about half of our campaign. The other half have come from folks like that. But the nice thing about being able to do that is you don't have to take any money from lobbyists, you don't have to take any money from sponsors, special interest, and it leaves you kind of free to do the things that you want to do and say the things that you want to say and really run on behalf of the people of the state of Kansas.

[Todd Urzin]

I mean, we're seeing this in Iowa with Zach. I mean, Zach is saying things that a lot of grassroots, particularly Trump kind of Republicans say frequently. But you don't see a lot of Republicans actually running for office, particularly statewide, anywhere in America, say, when he talks about cancer rates and all those kinds of things, because a lot of those folks want the endorsements and checks written to them by Big Ag. And so. And they need that. They've got no chance to get elected to vote, you know, our way on the other issues that we care about. And so that's kind of the, the toll they have to pay. And so you're, you're watching Zach kind of break the fourth wall on a lot of those kind of provincial issues in Iowa while also running a very strong messaging on the traditional boilerplate, you know, conservative issues. So, I mean, we're seeing this play itself out in Iowa right now. It's forcing Democrats in our state to have debates and conversations that they've never had ground, they've really never had to defend before. And so, you know, we're kind of afraid of becoming your state, a deep red state with a Democratic governor. You guys have been battling this now for, for several, for several, a couple of cycles. So you talked about the ingrained interest issue, the data center issue. All right. And when one of the things I think that the system doesn't understand, even good people in the system that are working at a high national meta level, is the amount of anger and distrust there is down here at the local level, nationwide, amongst our people, particularly in rural areas when it comes to these data centers. Right. You're a heavily rural state like my home state of Iowa is what is it about these data centers that everybody tends to be so suspicious of within our base?

[Philip Sarnacki]

Well, I think there's a number of issues and you're absolutely right. And I've actually seen polling on it, Steve. It's, it's basically an 80, 20 issue. I mean, you have close to 80% of the people that either want them banned or they want them, you know, at least regulated. I think I, I would describe it like this. The people are fearful of getting run over by the. Some, literally some, the largest companies in the world, billionaires, et cetera. And so we actually put out a plan that would make sure, because, you know, there's concerns about water, especially in western Kansas, with the aquifer out there going down at large levels being reduced. There's issues about energy rates. Eminent domain is a concern as well. And so we did put out a plan that we believe will protect the people in rural Kansas of getting run over by the data centers. And ultimately, you know, our plan, what it does is it leaves the decision to the local communities there. There was a city in Missouri that approved a data center. They literally voted every single city council member out after approving that data center. And I'm thinking, well, that's the way it should work. Right? That's exactly the way it should work. And I don't believe the people in Johnson county, you know, south of Kansas, which is almost in Missouri, should be telling the people, for example, in Goodland, Kansas, which is the mountain time zone, you're almost in Colorado, whether or not they want any kind of economic development data center or what have you.

[Todd Urzin]

So listen, and I, I talked about this in the opening segment, teasing your upcoming appearance. Philip, on some level, I think there are parallels to what previous generations had to work through when it came to textile mills, smokestacks, steel mills, coal mines. I mean, particularly when you're dealing with fossil fuels. We're in a fossil fuel driven economy. Right. If we're going to win the industrial revolution and not be a conquered people, we have to have ample access to fossil fuels. So there's. So what's the line there between ample access and now? We're just not strip mining our way of life and our native habitats in order to make things happen. Right. And previous generations had to iron that out. And, and we all need data. None of us want these things to move slower. Right. You and I are talking digitally so that we can literally be beamed into any mobile device or any home in the world right now at a minimal expense that even 20 years ago it would have cost millions of dollars in satellite technology to make that happen. Right. Okay, so we do need data. But I'm thinking maybe the difference here is you mentioned one is the eminent domain issue. That's one. Right, but, but, but the other that goes along with that is, yeah, those, the smokestacks might have been eyesores and, and maybe the coal mines didn't necessarily produce the greatest quality of air, but the people that were going to work those jobs were from, were our people from that. They were Americans, they lived in those communities. It was going to put bread on. And so that was the social contract. You put up with some of those, some of those nuisances, if not annoyances and grievances because it also maintains your way of life. Right? There was a, there was a contract, a given, a give and take there. In this case with these data centers, it's a handful of jobs. Most of them probably will go to foreigners. And so it's just taking from the community. Is that kind of what you're hearing a lot on the ground there in Kansas?

[Philip Sarnacki]

Well, that's certainly the concern. And it's, it's also no say so that's the other thing that I hear a lot that the, the concern of being, I just call it kind of getting run over and then the concern of the fact that the communities no say so in some instances in what's happening now. Again, they need to hold their local city council or whomever accountable for these. And I think a lot of it has to do too with, you know, contractually how they, they come together on these. And listen, Steve, you get such a wide swath. You get on one, one end, you get the folks that say, listen, we can't lose the AI race to China or we will be done as a country. And then you get all the way on the other side, people say, listen, we don't want data centers at all. And I will tell you one thing that's pretty fascinating. I mean, I'm sitting in a room here doing this recording that, you know, isn't very big. It's maybe 10 by 15 or 10 by 20. And I actually have a friend that consults to the Googles of the world, etc. On artificial intelligence. He told me in 10 years, maybe less than 10 years, that a data center will fit in a room of this size. So the technology that's happening right now, think about a IBM mainframe down to your cell phone and then, but just accelerate that technology in a dramatic fashion on how fast it's moving. I mean, Elon Musk is talking about putting them on Mars and putting them on space. And that technology is coming, there's no question about it. And so I think in the meantime, let's make sure that we are protecting the communities on these massive Massive data centers and make sure they're not putting an undue burden on water, making sure their electricity rates aren't going up, that they're not taking the farmer and rancher's land by eminent or anybody's land by eminent domain. And then in Kansas, we actually have, in 2007, the legislature passed a law that if you want a casino, it has to be voted on by the local community. And you can do the same thing with data centers here in Kansas and just kind of model off that law with the, with the casinos here.

[Todd Urzin]

I've got about three minutes left. When, when is your primary and where do things stand right now? And what do you think is going to determine this thing?

[Philip Sarnacki]

Yeah. Thank you. We are exactly three weeks from today, from the primary. So we are 21 days out. We feel very good. We know we've seen polling from just a couple of weeks ago that this is a two person race. It is a very tight race between me and Ty, the state senate president who was endorsed by President Trump, as you mentioned. And then there's a very large double digit drop off down to a couple of other candidates. And then there's a, there's a couple people kind of hanging that at 2%, 3%. So we know it's a two person race. We are crushing the ground game. I mean, our volunteers across the state, there is a, there is a kind of a pent up energy and excitement that we're tapping into to get somebody that is not a career politician. People are so tired of politics as usual. Career politicians. We didn't even get into all the economic issues that are going on in the state of Kansas. But you know, our spending has blown up, our tax rate. We are literally, we have the highest income tax rate of every state in our region. And the number one issue in the state of Kansas, far and away, it's not data centers, it's actually property taxes. We are crushing our citizens with property tax. We're overspending over taxing and over regulating our citizens and our businesses in the state of Kansas to death. And that is not going to get fixed by someone who's been an insider and part of the problem for a quarter of a century. You know, we need to bring in somebody from the outside, a business leader. I've spent 36 years building businesses and creating jobs, including all over the state of Kansas. So we feel very, very good about it. You know, we continue to put money into the race. Obviously commercials are running. We continue to raise money as well. But I promise we're not being outworked. I have a phenomenal team. We're doing events, you know, all day long every evening. And the energy out on the campaign trail has just been phenomenal.

[Todd Urzin]

Well, Philip, we're going to keep our eye on this race for sure because again, this is maybe an emerging trend line we're seeing, including in our home state here in Iowa, that I think speaks volumes about where our base is on a host of issues around the country. So good luck to you, brother. Thanks for joining us. Appreciate it.

[Philip Sarnacki]

Hey, thank you, Steve. Great, great being with you today.

[Todd Urzin]

You bet. Gentlemen, what do you think?

[Aaron McIntyre]

Really sharp, really understands the depth of the issues. Really, really attaching eminent domain and concerns about that I think is really important. But people are really digging in and saying this is mine, not yours. But this guy seems to understand, okay, we need to up our game by pointing out the fact that when this happens somewhere, a government people just got flat out voted out. That's it. Because here at the end of the day, nothing is going to be yours unless you will be the citizen who gets involved in the government regularly to defend it. That's the bottom line. And I think this is a guy who just is not relying on talking points. He has a depth of philosophy that

[Todd Urzin]

can lead Aaron, if he's right about what he's being told about what's going to happen with these data centers in the next decade, frankly, a lot of this entire debate is irrelevant then, honestly.

[Steve Dace]

Yeah. And I think if there's one thing we know about Elon Musk, if he says something that he thinks he can accomplish, he's going to do it. And putting data centers in space would obviously solve pretty much all of these concerns about data centers. And I think this is the first candidate, maybe first politician that I've heard articulate that balanced approach because I do think it needs some balancing more just beyond all data centers are bad forever. Amen. I think that was a balanced approach. I appreciated that.

[Todd Urzin]

Fake News or not is next. All right, back here with hour two live and on demand here on the Steve Day Show. I'm Steve Das alongside Todd urzin and Aaron McIntyre. Let us know what you think about what we think via the steveday.com inbox, which you can take advantage of by emailing the show [e-mail] D E A C E like us on Facebook. Me we and gab. Follow me at Steve Dash on X Instagram and TikTok. Subscribe to our new Rumble channel at Steve Dace on Rumble and then you can also make sure to subscribe to the podcast so you don't ever miss an episode or hit follow if you're on Apple. ITunes functions the same way. Thanks to the many of you who have, and then thanks to the tens of thousands of you that have left us five star reviews with your podcast platform. And thanks to you if you decide to add yours today. And thanks to our friends over at Chirp. And preventative health is huge. I think we learned during COVID you can't always trust the system when you need it the most. But I think also as we get older, if we want to stay active. And then maybe you're thinking, I got to get active. I've let things go, I've got to get active. Preventative health is key, right? Because we can lose weight, we can still get stronger as we get older. I'm stronger now at 52 than I was at 32. But your joints don't get any stronger either. I mean, I just had the term upcoming knee replacement surgery mentioned to me recently. Reminder of my age, which will grow by another year here in a few weeks. All right, that's where Chirp comes in. Whether we're talking about rollers, the foam rollers, those are huge with your trigger points. What are trigger points? Those parts. And when you press on them with, like really sore, that's either a bruise or probably a trigger point. Okay. And when you start getting active, and as you stay older and get active, you're gonna learn a lot more about trigger points. Okay. Your body doesn't quite recover the way that it used to. So those rollers are huge where that's concerned. The rolling power mini massager from Chirp. I take it with me wherever I go. Every trip I take it on. It's got its own parking space in the corner of my suitcase. I'm using it every single morning when I get up. Then there's, there's even more elaborate devices like the Chirp Contour. It's a decompression spinal massage table right there in your home. All of this stuff is like the stuff you'd go to doctors and have them do for you. Pardon me, but without all the expensive and time consuming appointments. So go check out what they've got right [e-mail] Steve C H I R P Go chirp.com Steve don't forget to take advantage of 10% off your order when you do. Go chirp.com Steve For 10% off at go chirp.com Steve all right, so we've Got some double barreled fake news or not coming up at the bottom of the hour, one of you decided to take me up on my challenge by offering some specifics. Remember we had a question yesterday during Ask Me Anything and I want to be fair to the question, but it was essentially asking am I just gonna swallow hook, line and seeker the sinker, the, the official narrative where Tyler Robinson is concerned. And, and I, I noted in their question they didn't offer any specific what details details. What do they want me to react to respond to. And I think it was also about maybe Charlie and his character I think was part of that question too and some of the very whatever various rumors are out there. So we got into that and pointed out there were no specifics. And if anybody wanted to offer any specifics, by all means some send them to us and I'll respond. Well, somebody did. So I'm going to respond here at the bottom of the hour. But first we're going to do a traditional fake news or not where you guys get to respond. You guys ready to go?

[Aaron McIntyre]

Yes.

[Todd Urzin]

All right, I've got five things here that caught my eye recently online that I'm going to give you guys a chance to respond and tell us is this fake news or not? Let's start here with from apologist Wesley Huffman. You guys might remember it was January of 25, I think. Right. That he went global with his appearance on Rogan defending the, the integrity of the scriptures, you know, the apostolic authority and things of that nature and what, what archaeology and science really does and hasn't told us about textual criticism. Right. Kind of blue. Joe Mogan, Joe Rogan's mind for three and a half hours and hundreds, like tens of millions of people have watched this. Right. Okay. He was, he posted this in response to the. I think it's fake, frankly, a fake controversy. So I'll say this. The, the whole thing about the term Judeo Christian is fake. All right. But Wes, I thought did a good job explaining why. But maybe Todd and Aaron, you guys will disagree. He said there's so much noise online regarding the term Judeo Christian guys in academia, it's simply the term that describes the combined corpus of Old and New Testaments, the Jewish heritage of the Hebrew scriptures combined with the New Testament. That's it. I know you want there to be some conspiracy, but there isn't. That's the way we're using it. It has nothing to do with geopolitics or some kind of coming one world order, fake news or not.

[Steve Dace]

Not. It's not fake news. And this is what I always thought it was. I remember looking this up because I hadn't actually heard it before when you were on who. I think you used this term multiple times, many, many years ago. So I looked it up and it's really just that it's a pretty inert academic term. But the same thing has been done to half of this term that has been done to Zionism, which is also in this day and age, in 2026, a very innocuous and should be inert term that's been, I think, maliciously demonized, bastardized to mean something that it really does not mean. And I think the exact same treatment has been given to the term Judeo Christian. So this is not fake news, Todd,

[Aaron McIntyre]

that it is not fake news until the very end. In what are the last two words there? That's it. Is that.

[Steve Dace]

Yeah, World order.

[Todd Urzin]

A new world order.

[Aaron McIntyre]

Well, then it was within the last sentence there when he said, that's it. That's the only part I disagree with because you are, of course, right, Wes, in the du jour sense, but in the de facto sense, you know, this is. It's not going to be over. And guys like you, Wes, are why I'm calling. You know, I regularly, as the Catholic on the show, call for the, you know, Protestant Council of Nicaea. A tweet in which you're right about is not going to cut it. You've got to defeat those out there. And Steve has done his job. Going into the lion's den, even. I mean, you just mentioned that recently while you went to the. What was it called? The.

[Todd Urzin]

Oh, the webin conference.

[Aaron McIntyre]

Yes, the trash or whatever it was called to go in and deal with it. It has to be dealt with. It's not going to be dank memes that defeat this. This is about the definition of truth. And I mean, Wes, you know better than anybody else whether we're talking Catholics, Protestants, Protestants, Protestants, there's 2,000 years of tradition here. And as often as not, we get further away from each other instead of closing this, because it's not. That's all. So, Wes, I hope you are ready to roll up your Steve sleeves and keep going at this, because we need your version of this to win and not the other one.

[Todd Urzin]

So most of the time I don't chime in on these because it's really about what you guys think. And I kind of think it's kind of cheesy for me to pick what you guys are going to discuss and then give you. My take on it, unless you. Sometimes you guys will ask me just to clarify things, but a lot of times I let you guys have the singular word on this, but I just want to add something to it, if you guys don't mind.

[Aaron McIntyre]

The.

[Todd Urzin]

The. It is. It would be true that the era of the Reformers, for example, and even much of what I guess what I would call Augustine in the post Augustinian era of Catholicism would have never used a term like Judeo Christian. That is. That is very, very true. Okay. And so because they did not use such terminology, there was a. There was a Pax Romana with Islam. The Ottomans would often send gracious recognitions of Christmas and Easter to both the. To both Rome and Constantinople when they weren't trying of course, to kill everybody there. And then later, you know, Zwiggly, Calvin, Knox, Luther, they were all on the Ottomans Ramadan card list and said, hey, we have our differences, but you guys hate Jews every bit as much as us. And because of that, we. We aren't invading your territories anymore or attempting to conquer you. That. That's what occurred there, of course. Right.

[Aaron McIntyre]

None of that happened.

[Todd Urzin]

Yeah, See, that's why this entire thing is a fallacy. See, all. All this, all. All this stems from some idea that just doesn't align with anything, any of the historical record at all. What did I tell you yesterday? Past history is always indicative of future performance for people and people both individually and corporately. It's always indicative of future performance. Minus the intervention of the Holy Spirit, the dog will return to its own vomit every time. Minus the intervention of the Holy Spirit. The reason why you'll often see generations repeat dysfunctions over and over again is nobody's invited in the Holy Spirit to intervene and change the destiny of what's going on here. So the dog just returns to its own vomit. You are what you know, you can't rise above your own worldview. So the, the fascination with this is some. Is. Is some notion. Well, this is the excuse. The reality is they say Jews, but the excuse is that because we're so cozy with the modern state of Israel, we are exacerbating problems in the world that are leading us to fight all these endless wars, when the truth of the matter is, for nearly 1400 years on this earth, there was no nation called Israel, but we had Islam. And some element of the west essentially fought an endless war against Islam the entirety of that time, including the very first war this country ever fought as a people, which, by the way, President Jefferson did not formally declare just for those of you that are really stuck up on that too, it was. There was no formal declaration of war by Congress against the Barbary Coast Pirates. But I digress. All right, let's go to this one next. This is from Pastor Josh Howerton. Pastors, an enormous number, majority of pastors and especially professors are very, very out of touch with normal people and families, especially blue collar people. So to reach and disciple these people, you're going to need to do some things that pastor world finds cringe, not theologically, but in things like style, tone and often emphasis. And you will be chattered about. There will be a couple of moments, not in everything, when you'll have to decide which matters more, being in the inside circle of pastor world or actually reaching and discipling real people with real jobs and real sins and real problems in a real culture. Charles Spurgeon summarized this dynamic well when he was viciously attacked by other pastors and newspapers for his jokes in the pulpit, which they called his vulgar tone for daring to show. It wasn't that the jokes were vulgar. Let me clarify that for Josh, it's that using humor in the pulpit in and of itself was considered to be vulgar from the stiff upper lip. British society pastor was not. Charles Spurgeon was not in there dropping, hey guys, a Jew and a Jew and a priest walk into a bar. That's not what he was doing. Okay with. Knock, knock, who's there? All right. It was everything he was. It was the use of humor at all that was considered under British society to be crude and beneath the. The office. Right. That is vulgar tone and his sort of blue collar speech. And in response, Spurgeon said, quote, I am perhaps vulgar, but it is not intentional. Save that I must and will make the people listen. My firm conviction is that we have had quite enough polite preachers and many require a change. God has owned me among the most degraded and off casts. Let others serve their class. These are mine and to them I must keep. End quote. Fake news or not.

[Aaron McIntyre]

I, I know Josh is big and up and coming. Not knowing him, I think he would agree with me on this. This is not fake news as long as the expectation is that this is a two way street. Because we know firsthand somebody and somebody who we're going to have on the show as an Evergreen, a pastor who did this very thing and the people didn't like it and ran him out of town. So this is about both sides of this. I mean, basically is like, do you really want to go to church or not? Both sides. Do you want to be a pastor? Do you want to be a member of that flock? This is. There's no, there's no 21st century version of this. Is this somehow unique and different than the past? It's always been this. It's always been a people set apart. Do you want the real thing? Do you want the steak? Or are you just content with cheez? Its Aaron.

[Steve Dace]

I understand what Pastor Howerton was communicating there, but I think I'm gonna call fake news on this, at least from a narrow perspective. I don't think it's necessarily, and I don't think that Howerton is saying this, but lest anyone be tempted to think that this is what's being communicated, I don't think it's necessarily a matter of hey, you need to be vulgar, or this is some sort of hey, you need to be. This is all about authenticity and being real to people, not the fake people. Because I can think of all sorts of vulgarities that are doing absolutely no earthly good in places that have pastors that are talking about. That Howerton is talking about are the inner circle nice guy pastors. Example. I just saw a post going around this morning, hey, in 20 years I fully expect to see a lot of young men saying, hey, I was dead in my sins and trespasses. And then pastor so and so came out dressed up as Mario and did an entire series sermon series so set to the Super Mario Brothers world. That's vulgar. But is it accomplishing anything? Are you actually meeting people where they are? I think the name of the game is the authenticity and getting down in the muck, down in the muck and mire with normal people and actually living and doing their, you know, living amongst them, being with them, actually going through life. I'm trying not to say doing life with them because that sounds so. That sounds so trendy and what. But it is truly doing life with people, real people, that's going to matter more than whether or not you're vulgar. Whatever definition of vulgar you want to give on any given Sunday, I think that matters more. So if that's the intent of this post from Pastor Howerton, then I totally agree with it. If it is just a matter of speaking like the unwashed masses do, I'm not sure if that matters quite as much. So authenticity, I think is the name of the game and really actually understanding where people are coming from, what they're experiencing and then doing that with them, walking with them.

[Todd Urzin]

I think you are a really good distinction there, Aaron. Let's flesh that out for a second. Because your point about authenticity, just learning, hey, bro, that's not going to work.

[Steve Dace]

That's going to be like dressing up as Mario.

[Aaron McIntyre]

Yeah.

[Todd Urzin]

You're going to get. That's cosplay. You're going to get laughed out of there. Yeah, exactly. Which means then, and because this is the quote from Spurgeon that he used, right. Where Spurgeon said, these are my people. Like I'm.

[Steve Dace]

Yes.

[Todd Urzin]

Like I'm, I'm not, you know, I'm not coming to them. I'm from them. Right. And so this is, this is the mission field that, that God has specifically sent me to.

[Aaron McIntyre]

Right.

[Steve Dace]

Tim. Tim Keller, his people were the people who are like the nice inner circle people.

[Todd Urzin]

Manhattan.

[Steve Dace]

Is he? Yeah. Is it? Was Tim Keller a good pastor for

[Todd Urzin]

Manhattan until the very last few years? Yes, I would agree.

[Steve Dace]

Was he a good pastor for, let's say a pastor in Tama or Toledo, Iowa to model after? No, no, no. Yet he was hoisted up as a model for flyover. For a lot of pastors in flyover country. That's just that that's not gonna work.

[Aaron McIntyre]

I don't think this is about affect or style. It's actually about knowing what real people's problems real is really are in that place where you are. It doesn't mean that's what I'm.

[Steve Dace]

That's precisely what I'm saying.

[Aaron McIntyre]

It doesn't mean that you' History has to be the same or it's totally okay that it's different. But these are the problems. And so since I know these problems, then, then I am going to address them as the Bible says and not be a respecter of persons in that sense. Because the Bible says this and then it's on the people to accept. Oh yeah, this is why I go to church. It's a two way street.

[Steve Dace]

This is my perspective. And I don't know if anybody. There's probably like a, a handful of people in the church that I grew up in. There was one pastor who was the pastor for most of the time when I was kind of coming of age. And the final message that he gave before he moved on to the next church that he went to was basically challenging the entire congregation and the leadership of that church to understand. And this is, understand this is the cap, the county seat of the poorest county in Iowa is where I went to church. A lot of welfare recipients. He challenged that church. Understand who your flock is going to be if you want to grow this church. It's going to be the people who live on this street. The people who, quite frankly, don't look like you, don't talk like you. Yep. If you want to grow this church, unfortunately, that church died.

[Todd Urzin]

I think you both are making very important points. In fact, you got me thinking about my own pastor Jesse, who's from Australia. Him and his wife Lauren immigrated here. Right. But. But he is very in tune to what's happening in our community, the community he's preaching to. He's. They have fully immersed in it, even though they are not from here. They're from literally a half a planet away. They're from another side. The other side of the equator. Right. It's fall right now in. Or it's winter right now in Australia and it's summer here. Right. Everything's literally inverted. Yeah. So that's it. That's where you both are saying the same thing from. From different perspectives. I think that your Tim Keller thing, Aaron, has me really got my wheels spinning. Because let's just take the last few years of Tim Keller when he completely bent the knee to systemic racism and completely became an agent of white liberal guilt, segregated his congregation by vax status and all the stuff, all the. All the virtue signaling of the last few years of his life. Let's pretend like none of that happened. Okay. And let's just look at, say, Tim keller from, say, 1996 to 2006. Fair. We'll just do that. All right. Because you would find a lot of good work and a lot of good scholarship in there on a host of biblical topics if you looked at that era with him. But I am fascinated. But what you said. He was. He was during that era. He was a good pastor for that community. How many pastors, though? Here's the thing, and I've said this about the Republican Party for many years. You have to serve the voters you have, not the voters you want to have. You have to serve the customers you have, not the customers you want to have. You have to evangelize the population you have, not the population you want to have. You show up on some remote island and you're there as a missionary, and you want to. And day one, you want to walk them through the Westminster Confession. They don't even know what that even means. They couldn't put Westminster on a map. They don't speak a word of English. You have to evangelize the people that you are. That's your mission field. Right. That those are the people, not the people you want to have. And we had an entire generation of pastors who collectively Wanted a cosmopolitan, non aggressive, largely placated, but intellectually curious group of folks who would generously tithe and come in droves, but not make any real demands of any kind of challenges or confrontations. That's kind of what life was like if you were a Christian in Manhattan. Right. Just keep your head down. Right. You know, enjoy the accoutrements of New York City while never challenging any of its, any of its actual foundations or fundamentals. And pastors, whether they're in Des Moines, Iowa or Lawrence, Kansas, to use the two states we talked about last hour, whether it was Missoula, Montana, everybody wanted to be Bill Hybels, Tim Keller, Rick Warren. You see what I'm saying, Aaron, as if the whole country was going to operate like that.

[Steve Dace]

Yeah. And that's one of the major sticking points of. We're not here to debate Tim Keller's salvation at all. And so that's not the meaning of this. But I. There's a whole era there where he was like the model for everybody. Yeah, he was like the model for everybody. And that just wasn't important because I'm

[Todd Urzin]

planning a church in Springfield, Missouri. I want to be Tim Keller for Springfield, Missouri.

[Steve Dace]

Flyover country. It's a big country. Flyover country. Well, just referring to it as flyover country in and of itself. I don't know if Keller ever did this, but that's kind of the notion. Flyover country is a little bit different than Manhattan. And I don't think that the Tim Keller act necessarily works in every single locale or zip code around the country because there is he so overemphasized or so emphasized the importance of the church in the city. Hey, all well and good up until the end. All well and good. But that was to the detriment of the church in welfare ridden. Different problems, different socioeconomic status, potential congregation, potential new believers. That's a completely different ball game in places like rural Iowa or rural Missouri or. Or in Arkansas, Alabama at all. So.

[Todd Urzin]

All right, let's get on to this one from Mark Meckler, buddy of mine. Why do so many on the left reject Christianity? Because real Christianity is a threat to their project, not a mascot for it. Christianity says human nature has fallen and needs repentance, not a bigger bureaucracy. And a new slogan. It puts hard limits on sex, identity and power that collide head on with progressive dogma. It will not baptize the state as God, even when the state promises equity and justice on demand. So instead of submitting to the faith, the left often tries to gut it. Keep the Christian words like justice and compassion, but strip out the sin, holiness and authority, and then use the empty shell to sell their politics. Texas Senate candidate James Talarico is a perfect example of this. This isn't just rejecting Christianity. It's attempting a hostile takeover. Fake news or not.

[Aaron McIntyre]

Much respect to Mark, but like I answered in the past, almost all of it is correct. But because of one part, I have to call fake news. This isn't just about the left. You just described how the right treats all of this as well, and why we won't smash the idols and why we wear it like a skin suit ourselves. We just got. It's. It's why the pastors turn into the people that. Aaron just got done talking about it. That's the thing. We do not have the luxury of just calling, talking about that. This is the left problem. In fact, we can't beat the left unless we realize that this is our problem as well.

[Steve Dace]

Yeah, I'm going to totally butcher this quote, but real Christianity has not been tried and found difficult. It has been found difficult and not tried or whatever.

[Todd Urzin]

Rarely tried.

[Steve Dace]

Rarely tried. That's kind of summing up this as well, because, yes, in a. In a vacuum. In a vacuum, this is absolutely right. It's a rival religion. It's a hostile takeover. It's Oran McIntyre's hollowing out of your religion and wearing it like a skin suit. But ultimately, we can't make those declarations unless we're really real about defending, taking ground. And I don't see an appetite for that. I haven't. At least not from a critical mass standpoint.

[Todd Urzin]

All right, so I referenced this last week, but I want to show it to everybody. All right, this was a post from the Tucker Carlson Network last week. Graham Platner's fall is not really about sex or tattoos. The establishment cared so much about getting him canceled because he opposed their economic and foreign policy programs that serve the powerful and shaft average Americans. Fake news or not.

[Steve Dace]

You remember who. So this is. This is. I don't know what we're grading here, the tcn, but remember I said I thought maybe Bernie Sanders posted that or something like that? Yeah, but no, that's the Tucker Carlson Network. I mean, let's just fill in. Let's. Let's not use the. What's the word? The politically correct or the. What was that video we had from Lutheran satire from James Talarika where he's got the thing in his brain that. Yeah, you remember. What is the word that I'm thinking of the. I can't think of the word, but a word that means something that softens the blow of what we're actually talking about. Graham's Platner's fall is not really about forcing himself and ejaculating inside of a woman or a tattoo of a Nazi symbol that he knew was a Nazi symbol. That's what they're really saying here. But they're trying to use. They're trying to use tone or words and language that really soften the blow. It's just. I don't know what I'm grading here, so I'm just going to say fake

[Aaron McIntyre]

news, Todd, as I said last week, when you read it, this is fake news to the same degree that it's fake news when David French says Drag Queen Story Hour is a blessing of liberty. This is where Tucker Carlson lives now. And of course, there's part of it that I understand. And when I was giving Tucker the benefit of the doubt a long time ago, when he's talking about the establishment, I said, Tucker is clearly decided, I've been through this thing enough decades now. The establishment, just like I said, with the right and Mark and I, we are agreement. Steve, your whole career, the establishment on the right is garbage, right? It is absolutely garbage for many intensive purposes. Okay, then where do you go for truth? He's just keeps asking questions. Burning the entire house down is apparently now in terms of logic, reason. No, no, no, Tucker. So you. I get that seed, but you have now decided that becoming an arsonist is the answer.

[Todd Urzin]

You just define the problem with this deconstruction. You just articulated what happens.

[Steve Dace]

Okay, euphemism was the word that I was searching for. Could not find.

[Todd Urzin]

Yeah, but. Yeah, you just. Are you just. You just quantified. When I talk about deconstruction, what is it? It's exactly what Todd just quantified. It's that you start questioning your established belief system from a sympathetic premise. But if you don't have a worldview that allows you to still decide that the antidote to how you've been lied to is truth, then you'll end up just becoming a purveyor of lies yourself.

[Steve Dace]

You just used the word arsonist, right, Todd?

[Todd Urzin]

Yeah.

[Steve Dace]

Did you read the rest of that post? Today's daily news briefing covers Platner, an arsonist cutting off his penis to start a fire in his neighbor's garage. Is that not what Tucker Carlson minus maybe the appendage cutting off.

[Aaron McIntyre]

And the crazy thing is, people are talking now about Tucker going to run I predicted that a while ago, but that was recently just talked about again on our show by somebody else. I don't even. It was just a couple of weeks ago. But Tucker was also being considered as a possible candidate before Trump ran again. I mean, the guy has a lot of ability to change things, not being insane. He's not like some, you know, radical in the dark who's only.

[Todd Urzin]

That's how you know this isn't a grift. He believes he's. He believes he's on apostolic mission. Yeah, yeah, clearly. So do all great heretics. They thought they were too. Our good friend Megan Basham will close it out with this. By the way, she just reported her cancer. Screens came back clear. So good to hear that about her sister. She says, I'm not a dispensationalist, but the bizarre fixation some people have to make everything about the Jews is a pretty strong argument that Satan still considers them to be God's chosen people. Because I don't know how else to explain obsessive hatred like that.

[Steve Dace]

Not fake news. And this is something that I've come to the conclusion on because two years ago, three, two and a half, three years ago, when we started to see this rise a lot more, I was pretty certain I was just chalking a lot of this up too. And this is just edgelords on the right who are like equal opportunity. If we can make fun of this group of people, why can't we make fun of the Jews a little bit? And then watching as this has devolved, it's pretty clear that if you play footsie with the Jews on any, the Jews on any level, it is just a. Just a mind virus, a mind cancer that you're going to have a really hard time getting rid of the more you get into this.

[Aaron McIntyre]

Well, I'll say fake news to this extent. It's not because the God's chosen people part. It's because, Megan, you were right about everything in terms of your instincts for writing your book Shepherds for Sale, which speaks directly to what I've been saying. We don't really have a church, so there's. Everybody is cosplaying on some to some respect and they aren't holding one another accountable. So we have all kinds of false gods and false teachers.

[Todd Urzin]

All right, when we come back, fake news or not, part duh. Someone sent me a note wanting me to specifically respond to some of the Tyler Robinson stuff after I put that challenge out yesterday. So challenge will be accepted. When we come back. The steve day show. So I've been gone for the last office, been on for the last couple weeks doing some stuff that I'm hoping I'm gonna get to tell you about here pretty soon. And that put my pocket hose to the test, man, because I haven't. I haven't put the water in it to see it's gonna get all crinkled up. Is it gonna get all, you know, knotted up like a typical hose when you haven't stretched it out and used it for, you know, a bit? Nope. I'm gonna tell you right now, this is one of those things that when you. When you purchase it, you're gonna be like, where's this been my whole life? This thing was incredible. It's just been sitting there, filled right up, stretched right out, fired right away, and then turned the water off, shrunk back down, wrapped right back up just as it was before. That's why it's the number one expandable hose in the world. Super lightweight, easy to manage, easy to store. It's not any folks. This is even Steve dase proof. Just turn the water on and it grows. Turn the water off and it shrinks. That's it. That's how it works. It's reinforced with liquid crystal polymer used in bulletproof vests, which makes the anti burst sleeve practically bulletproof. And then that liquid crystal polymer fiber, it's five times stronger. And then it comes with the pocket pivot as well, so that the. The hose moves with you. The hose head moves with you as well. Total free freedom of movement, total range of motion. You're not gonna have to stop two or three times to go un. You know, un. Kink the. The hose. Not gonna have to do that. And now, for a limited time, when you purchase the new pocket hose ballistic, you're gonna get a free 360 degree rotating pocket pivot and a free thumb drive nozzle. If you text Dace my Last name to 64,000. Text DACE my last name to 64,000. That's DACE to 64,000. For your two free gifts with purchase text days to 64,000. Message and data rates may apply. Text ACE to 64,000. All right, part two here of Fake news or not. So we took a question yesterday on Ask me anything. Talking about Charlie in the trial. Why am I not responding to more things? Or. And. But they gave me nothing to respond to. They gave me really no specifics.

[Philip Sarnacki]

Right.

[Todd Urzin]

And. And I. I put out a challenge. Hey, if. If someone's got some specifics they want me to respond to, Then send them along. I'll happily respond. Well, one person did, all right? And credit to Mark in Bowling Green who did so, and I want to share his note and then I'll give you my response. Number one, why did the lady whose doorbell cam was used by the prosecution to positively identify Tyler Robinson's car say the driver of the car was bald and there were three other people in the car? Number two, why are there multiple people, including the owner of a restaurant, claiming that Tyler was there eating dinner and paid with a credit card when he was supposedly in Orem, according to his text messages with twigs? Number three, why are you personally suggesting that people needed to stay silent? To ensure justice for Charlie, which is reasonable. But now that all the evidence has been presented, we need transparency. This is a pretrial hearing, Steve. Nowhere near all of the evidence has been presented and they haven't even selected the jury yet. The main prosecution witnesses, a transvestite who was granted immunity for some reason, appeared via recording and was not cross examined. Why did you think it was appropriate for people to stay silent if not to prevent tainting the jury pool? Are you trying to confuse people by pretending this is the trial and then get a conviction in the court of public opinion based off of the probable cause ham sandwich indictment portion of the proceedings? Why is it bombshell evidence that Tyler's DNA was on his own gun, but not worth mentioning, that the DNA of Lance Twigs and three other people were. Was also on the gun? And number five, why are you blasting away at random Facebook comments and Candace Owens and her Egyptian Airline Kraken instead of actually following the trial? Now, on this, here's why I wanted to read this in total without responding first, because I wanted you to hear how smart this probably may sound to you. Todd is shaking his head. All right? But I want you to hear how smart this may sound to you if I just read it uninterrupted. Okay, so. So now I'm going to do this again. Okay, let's start. I'm just going to take this point by point, and then I'll have some points that I'll add.

[Aaron McIntyre]

You have the patience of Job, my friend.

[Todd Urzin]

Dear God, why did the lady whose doorbell cam was used by the prosecution to positively identify Tyler Robinson's car say the driver of the car was bald and there were three other people in the car? Well, Mark, maybe the reason you're making a big deal out of this and virtually no one else is, is because Tyler Robinson confessed and then a video was shown in court of him literally Shooting Charlie. So even if you're correct about the doorbell cam and this lady and the discrepancy in her testimony, it. It's. It's kind of superseded by Tyler Robinson confessed, and then people in the courtroom were shown a video of him shooting Charlie.

[Aaron McIntyre]

And even if you didn't have that degree of specificity at the ready, why are you arguing with Steve about it? If the defense.

[Steve Dace]

Yeah, there it is.

[Todd Urzin]

I was going to say that, too.

[Aaron McIntyre]

Yes.

[Todd Urzin]

I was going to say that the

[Aaron McIntyre]

defense should know this too and be using it if they think it's valid.

[Todd Urzin]

Yes.

[Aaron McIntyre]

Argue with them.

[Todd Urzin]

Yes, correct. Number two, why are there multiple people, including the owner of a restaurant in Utah, claiming that Tyler was there eating dinner and paid with a credit card when he was supposedly in Orem, according to his text messages with twigs. Well, he confessed. Let me repeat myself. He confessed and there's video of him shooting Charlie.

[Aaron McIntyre]

And the defense will also be using that one, too.

[Todd Urzin]

He confessed and there's video of him shooting Charlie. I think this is. These are maybe some major points we should stress. So. So let me repeat this again.

[Steve Dace]

Yeah, I didn't. I wasn't listening.

[Todd Urzin]

Okay, so we have a confession and then we have video.

[Steve Dace]

What?

[Todd Urzin]

Confession and video? We have confession and video. Here's the thing. What you're actually doing, Mark, is what people do with the Gospels. Well, you know, Mark says this, though, that. That Jesus went to here first, and then Luke says that he actually went here on that day and. And gave that sermon a week later. How many. I don't know how many trials you've lined up with, but if everybody had a completely uniform, perfectly in alignment, understanding of the minutiae of the details here, wouldn't you guys all be saying this is just completely a concocted narrative and nobody believes this? So which one? So. So which one is it? You're upset with the congruencies, but if there were none, none, and everybody was in complete, total, seamless, zombie like, uniformity, you'd. You'd maybe rightfully, even rightfully complain that the whole thing was concocted in a scam, because nobody. Human beings are subjective in nature and nobody gets all the details like that completely spread out perfectly. That's why I think it's important. And let me just stress it one more time. Let me. I think it's important to stress this one more time. I could be overrating it. I could be. But I do kind of feel like we shouldn't bury the lead here that he confessed and there's video of him Shooting Charlie. Again, I feel that's important. Maybe I'm wrong. That he confessed and there's video of him doing the shooting. By the way, two things you never mention in any of your points. There's a reason why the saying is the devil's in the details. Number three, why are you personally suggesting that people need to stay silent to ensure justice for Charlie?

[Aaron McIntyre]

That never happened.

[Todd Urzin]

I never. That never happened.

[Aaron McIntyre]

Never.

[Todd Urzin]

I told you yesterday.

[Steve Dace]

Great disciple of Candace, by the way.

[Todd Urzin]

Good job. I told you yesterday that the people who were there were closest to the chain of evidence on purpose, have not said much in public until now because they did not want to interrupt the chain of evidence or make it more difficult for the prosecution. And now that that chain of evidence has been presented, you're now hearing them come forth and be more specific about what they have thought the entire time. I was speaking specifically about that group. Just not people in general. I told people. How many times did I say on this show, hey, I don't believe. I don't trust. I don't. I don't begrudge anybody who doesn't trust any of the official narratives these days. So why don't we just have a trial and wait and see the evidence? Right? You know, my friend, our. All of our friends and former colleague Steve Baker lost his job here because he firmly believes that the feds have the wrong person in. Brian Cole, the D.C. pipe bomber. He firmly believes this. Well, guess what? We're gonna have. As of now, we're gonna have a trial, right? And we're gonna find out if Steve Baker was wrong about something for practically the first time ever, or if he was right again. We're gonna have a trial. Why have I not been here either promoting Steve or. Or decrying Steve? Because there's going to be a trial. I don't know. I know Steve. I trust Steve. But I also am a total depravity guy. So here's my. Here's my great idea. Why don't we just wait and have a trial? And you know who's not offended by my position on this? Steve Baker. Because he just texted me again yesterday about something. We're just going to have a trial. It's okay to wait. I was just saying, why don't we just wait and see the evidence? Okay? Then he says, but, Steve, this is a pretrial hearing. Nowhere near all the evidence has been presented, and they haven't even selected the jury yet. Those things are true, but let me continue. He says, the main prosecution witness is a Transvestite who was granted immunity for some reason. Actually, the main prosecution witness is Tyler Robinson. You keep leaving this part out. So I, I think I just have to keep stressing this. He confessed and he's on video shooting Charlie. He confessed, and then he's on video shooting Charlie. I kind of think those two points maybe, like, clarify everything else. It's a little bit like you could find certain lines of ascension that are different in kings compared to the lines in chronicles, and think maybe that throws the whole Bible off. Or you can start with, did Jesus walk out of the tomb? What's more important? Whether the. The ascension of the specific kings of Israel are in perfect alignment between chronicles and kings, or whether Jesus walked out of the tomb. Guys, what's the clarifying event, do you think? What determines the south, The. The. The. The status of somebody's soul? Which one is it?

[Aaron McIntyre]

Well, your point makes it obvious that somebody is definitely being silent about something. But it's not Steve. It's you. Yes, whatever your name is.

[Todd Urzin]

He goes on to ask me, are you trying to confuse people by pretending this is the trial and then get a conviction in the court of public opinion based off of the probable cause, ham sandwich indictment portion of the proceedings? I'm not the one that brought any evidence into the public. This was all broadcast on television.

[Steve Dace]

Really, really pissing me off. Are you detecting a pattern here, Todd and Steve? Are you depending on.

[Todd Urzin]

Other than the neglecting the confession and that he's on video shooting Charlie, Are

[Steve Dace]

you detecting a pattern here? So a bunch of smart sounding, plausible, maybe germane questions, two or three of them, and then something, an accusation disguised as a question that you never said, that is bearing false witness. And then we ask even more questions that sound germane based off of the accusation framed as a question, or did you pick up on that?

[Todd Urzin]

Correct.

[Steve Dace]

Who else does that?

[Todd Urzin]

That would be Satan.

[Steve Dace]

Yes.

[Todd Urzin]

I don't have any issues with any of your questions. I've answered them repeatedly. He confessed. And then there's video of him shooting Charlie on that rooftop using the gun that his fingerprints are on. Which brings me to the next one. Why is it bombshell evidence that Tyler's DNA was on his own gun, but not worth mentioning, that the DNA of Lance Twigs and three other people was also on the gun because. Stay with me now. Follow me. Mark. Okay, I'm not, I'm not. I'm. I'm unsure if you're in Bowling Green, Kentucky, or Bowling Green, Ohio. I. I don't know the status of. Of how education's Performing in either community. But stay with me here and see if you can follow the. The. This is going to get real complicated. Okay. Tyler confessed and then there's video of him on the rooftop shooting my friend. Did any of the other people's whose DNA is on that gun, did they confess and then have video of them shooting my friend on that rooftop? Is there. Does that apply to anybody else whose DNA is on said gun or the towel that was also found that was also mentioned in the trial? Anybody else's DNA there involve that they confessed and then there's video of them shooting Charlie from the roof? Does that include anybody else whose DNA has been found there?

[Aaron McIntyre]

No.

[Todd Urzin]

Furthermore, let's expand the pool all the more. Does that include anybody else's DNA that's ever lived, ever freaking lived on Earth, ever? Is there anybody else's DNA in the history of Planet freaking Earth that was found on the gun and confessed to shooting Charlie Kirk? And there's video of him doing it from a roof. Does that not only not apply to the three people here, but any people that have lived since Genesis, chapter three ever, ever? Going back to like before the Noah Flood, anybody who's ever lived. Has anybody else confessed to killing Charlie Kirk, being seen doing it on video with their DNA on the gun they did it with on video? Does that apply to anybody else that's ever lived, ever lived, ever or ever will live? That would be why. Mark, that would. That would answer your question. And at the end he wants to know why am I blasting away at random Facebook comments and Candace Owens and her Egyptian airline Kraken instead of actually following the trial? Mark, you just told me and reminded me it wasn't a trial. That was a pretrial hearing, wasn't the actual trial and the jury hasn't been seated yet.

[Aaron McIntyre]

And you don't believe in the trial yourself because you keep pretending like if you're so smart and you know all this stuff, doesn't the defense also know it too?

[Todd Urzin]

Correct. Let me close with this. The gun was recovered exactly in the bush, wrapped in a towel, exactly as Robinson Robert Robinson described in his text messages to lance Twiggs. A Mauser 983006 wrapped in a black towel in the wooded area across from Campus Drive. Right. Where surveillance shows as well that the rooftop figure fling within minutes of the shot, that his DNA is all over it. Major contributor on the stock, grips, trigger, trigger, guard, bolt, barrel and scope, on the fired casing, on two of the unfired casings, on the screwdriver left on the Roof. The casings were engraved. Hey, Fascist catch among them. All right. And so was a separate test shot casing forensically matched as fired by the same rifle sitting on a safe next to his bedroom. Plus boxes of Remington 3006 and perforated paper targets. Surveillance also puts him there on the low C center roof. Lying in the prone position facing the courtyard, then up and running the moment Charlie was shot. Visiting the campus three other times that same day in different clothing, including the roof and the amphitheater where the shooting happened. His own phone puts him there. Two Google Map routes stored on his device. One starting near the shooting scene 23 minutes after Charlie was killed. Headed to a car wash where surveillance confirms his Challenger arrived at 12:57. The second at 1:33am in the early mornings of September 11th. Routing from near the rifle's location directly back to his home. His car puts him there. A ring camera caught the Challenger parked near campus after midnight. At 12:30am Officers contacted that car at Campus Drive, wrote down the plate and and traced it through the DMV record straight to Tyler Robinson. The same window he was texting Lance Twiggs about sneaking back for the gun. The autopsy fits cause of death. Homicide by a single gunshot wound. Recovered fragments measured consistent with a.30 caliber bullet. His own family turned him in. His parents recognized him from the released images and confronted him. A family friend helped coordinate his surrender. Twigs identified him on the surveillance footage. But Mark and Bowling Green brother, you've got this all figured out. You need to get on the phone to the Tyler Robinson defense. A grave injustice is being done here. You could save the day, sir, but I'm going to warn you. I mean, I could go on with the evidence, but let me just go ahead and not bury the lead here. Mark, I'm going to warn you. You're probably going to have a tough task overcoming the fact that Tyler Robinson confessed. And they have a video of him in a prone firing position on the rooftop from where Charlie Kirk was shot right at the moment he was shot at. Those are going to be two objections are probably going to be very difficult, Mark, for you to get over the top of. But I wish you Godspeed, sir, in your best attempts. Gentlemen, your thoughts on this or anything else today?

[Aaron McIntyre]

Yeah, I mean, what's the movie where the Jim Carrey lives in the bubble?

[Todd Urzin]

The Truman Show.

[Aaron McIntyre]

The Truman Show.

[Todd Urzin]

It's my daughter Anna's all time favorite movie.

[Aaron McIntyre]

This guy's pretending like the all of reality as it applies to this case is the Truman Show. If it is I. I want to know, too. But more likely you're just on crack.

[Steve Dace]

No, I think you're on Gnosticism. More addicting than crack. I think that's what you're on. You got that special knowledge. What are you going to do for your next hit, though, after this is all over?

[Todd Urzin]

Go hard. Romans 8, 20, 18.