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TRAGIC: Tucker Carlson Is Unraveling | Guest: Brad Wilcox | 3/24/26

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Tue Mar 24 2026

Summary

Steve Deace Show – "TRAGIC: Tucker Carlson Is Unraveling" (3/24/26)

Episode Overview

In this intense, multi-layered episode of The Steve Deace Show, Steve and his co-hosts (Todd Erzin and Aaron McIntyre) devote the full hour to a critical deconstruction of Tucker Carlson’s recent trajectory, asserting that Carlson has become the center of a deconstructionist, nihilistic current within the Right. The show critiques alleged anti-Western, anti-Semitic, and pro-Islam sympathies coming from Carlson, along with a failure to address core conservative issues at home (such as the Save America Act).

The episode also features an in-depth interview with sociology professor Brad Wilcox, focusing on the demographic and spiritual crises facing young American men. Throughout, the hosts anchor their arguments in Christian principles and lament the supposed loss of conviction and clarity on the Right. Steve draws a sharp distinction between the inspirational legacy of the late Charlie Kirk and what he sees as the dark, destabilizing influence of Tucker Carlson’s message.

Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Framing the Urgency: Deconstructing Tucker Carlson

The hosts begin by setting out their central thesis: Tucker Carlson is undergoing a full-scale "deconstruction"—a term used here to describe not healthy ideological change but abandonment of core convictions and replacement with “darkness” and nihilism ([00:21–03:30]).
Steve Deace (04:29): “Are they being deceived, or are they the deceiver? ... They end up starting as the deceived and, if they don’t correct, they end up becoming the deceiver and taking others with them.”
The episode, Steve asserts, is a reckoning—“a fork in the road”—where conservatives must decide whether to challenge or separate from Carlson before he "takes too many people down with him."

2. Operation Epic Fury / Geopolitical Analysis

The show comments on the posturing of U.S. and Iranian negotiations, arguing that much of what happens internationally is for domestic political and economic optics ([10:58–13:32]).
Aaron McIntyre (11:35): “Put a gun to my head, I would say this is probably posturing. Buying time to get more assets moved into the region.”
Steve Deace sees these moves as market (not only foreign policy) manipulations, critiquing the administration and warning about larger consequences ([13:32–14:15]).

3. Fracturing of the Right: Schism Over Israel, Trump, and New Populism

Steve outlines a growing, perhaps irreparable schism within the Right over issues like support for Israel, exemplified by the diverging trajectories of Tucker Carlson and his cohort versus traditional conservatives ([16:13–24:42]).
He laments that vice president J.D. Vance (here referenced as currently in office) is being squeezed between “true believers” of both camps.
Steve Deace (22:42): “Those folks who think more like Lindsey Graham does on Israel than some 25 year old who thought Corey Mailer was smart last year—they’re going to vote about 70 to 1.”

4. Demonizing Dissent and “Darkness” Within the Movement

A particularly heated section condemns what Steve and Aaron see as a slide into conspiratorial, “nihilistic” anti-Semitism on the emerging nationalist right ([24:13–29:23]).
The Tyler Robinson trial, Candace Owens, and Joe Kent are invoked as evidence of a culture that now trusts no evidence except that which fits anti-Israel or anti-Western narratives.
Aaron McIntyre (25:31): “What level of evidence would convince you that you’re wrong...? That’s how you know this is not just retarded, but retarded and demonic.”
Steve Deace (29:23): “This whole thing is just wickedness. ... Faith, family, freedom. That’s what we’re about.”
Steve draws a definitive personal line: “No quarter. ... I will confront it with maximum prejudice.”

5. Special Segment: The Crisis of Young Men (with Brad Wilcox)

Professor Brad Wilcox presents alarming data on the state of young men in America ([32:36–46:25]).
- Major findings: 42% of young men aged 18–29 consider themselves failures, only 26% are married with kids, and 56% are not working at all.
- Wilcox attributes this to absent fathers, failing institutions, addiction to “the screen” (porn, gaming, gambling), and lack of positive models of masculinity.
- Wilcox (33:56): “So many young men are floundering in our society today. They’re not doing well in school, they’re not in my classrooms at UVA and college, fewer young men are working full-time as well...”
- Steve Deace (39:19): “42% of young men at 18–29 already say, quote, ‘all in all, I am inclined to think that I am a failure.’ That is astonishing.”
- Prescription: older men must “finish well,” provide direct encouragement, limit screen time, and offer real-world responsibility.
- Wilcox (45:35): “Limit screens ... encourage work outside, around the home ... give them every encouragement to get out there, be with friends, ask young women on dates...”

6. Tucker's Deconstruction: Anti-Western, Pro-Islam, Anti-Semitic?

For the remainder, Deace breaks down recent clips and public statements from Carlson, arguing they have crossed into nihilism, self-hate, and leftist anti-colonial tropes ([48:04–end]).
- The hosts draw a comparison to the inspirational, Gospel-centered activism of Charlie Kirk, claiming Tucker offers only demoralization and no spiritual call.
Steve Deace (54:29):
- “Does thinking about these things the way Tucker wants you to think about them make you more Christlike... or less so, jaded, hardened, cynical?”
Grok AI sweep reveals Carlson never endorsed or discussed the Save America Act, despite his claims to “focus on what’s going on here at home” ([64:54]):
- Steve Deace: “Tell me the benign and innocent explanation for this.”

7. Tucker’s Statements: Critique & Outrage

Carlson’s recent statements are dissected, especially this broadside:
- Tucker Carlson ([81:39]–[86:51]): “There's not a single Western city that's thriving... It’s just white people lose their will to live... You go to the Gulf and it’s incredible... They’re tolerant of diversity. ... [Terrorists are] from collapsed, pathetic societies dominated by colonial powers...”
The hosts assert this recycles leftwing anti-Western and anti-colonial narratives, falsely normalizes Islam, slanders Judaism, and disregards the real record of Islam and Christianity.
- Steve Deace (87:50): “His solution: be more like Saudi Arabia... Maybe they look at Tucker Carlson, mouthpiece for their propaganda, that way. But something tells me the pastors of none of the publicly available, open churches in Saudi Arabia are treated that way...”
- Todd Erzin (88:44): “This video is Tucker Carlson's Drag Queen Story Hour as a Blessing of Liberty. ... He takes some truth there about our decadence ... but then your solution is drag queen story hour. ... Tucker just gave you his version.”
- Aaron McIntyre (95:44): “There’s no daylight [between Tucker’s beliefs and the left's]. It’s not.”

Notable Quotes & Moments (with Timestamps)

[04:29] Steve Deace: “Are they being deceived, or are they the deceiver?... They end up starting as the deceived and…becoming the deceiver.”
[29:23] Steve Deace: “This whole thing is just wickedness. ... No quarter. ... I will confront it with maximum prejudice.”
[39:19] Steve Deace: “42% of young men at 18–29 already saying, ‘all in all, I am inclined to think that I am a failure.’ That is astonishing.”
[42:40] Brad Wilcox: “We have to give men a model of masculinity that encompasses things like family and faith.”
[54:29] Steve Deace: “Are you more willing to seek out truth than you were before? Or are you more willing to think there’s just no more truth to seek out?”
[64:54] Steve Deace: “How many times has Tucker posted about or in support of the Save America Act...? The answer: 0.0.”
[81:49] Tucker Carlson (clip): “Every city...every American city, it’s just white people lose their...their will to live, their will to pass on their culture, their values, their religion to their children...”
[86:08] Tucker Carlson: “Let’s treat the people who run the banks, the people who are getting rich from usury, like the criminals they are and make them suffer. ... Everybody who's deep in credit card debt...just not pay our credit card bill.”
[92:19] Todd Erzin: “Tucker just needs a friend to knock him upside the head...He needs to be anchored to history.”
[95:44] Aaron McIntyre: “There’s no daylight [between Tucker’s beliefs and the left's]. It’s not.”

Important Timestamps and Segments

Operation Epic Fury & Market Posturing: [10:58–14:15]
The Schism on the Right (Israel, Trump, Tucker): [16:13–24:13]
Conspiratorial/Demonic Trends, Deace Drawing His Line: [24:13–29:58], [54:29–57:44]
Brad Wilcox Interview – Crisis of Young Men: [32:36–46:25]
AI Sweep – Tucker on Save America Act: [64:54–66:40]
Dissection of Tucker's New Messaging (with extended quotes): [68:21–95:46]
Closing Philosophical Challenge to Listeners: [91:40–END]

Tone & Language Highlights

Righteous indignation, a sense of spiritual and moral urgency.
Hostile to what is perceived as the new, nihilistic, conspiratorial right; adamantly Christ-centered in critique.
Frequent references to historical context and the Bible ("marinating in the Word of God"), in contrast to what they perceive as Tucker’s rootless commentary.
Snark, passion, and emphasis on “calling out darkness.”

Conclusion

The episode is a forceful, principled (and at times deeply personal) critique of what Steve Deace sees as a catastrophic turn in right-wing media and thought—embodied especially by Tucker Carlson. Deace contends that Carlson’s influence is increasingly “demonic,” nihilist, and anti-Christian, hiding behind a veneer of populist disenchantment while recycling leftist arguments and failing to inspire spiritual or civic renewal. Contrasted with the late Charlie Kirk’s legacy of biblical revival, Tucker’s message is painted as a dangerous dead end. The show closes with the hosts pledging to “oppose this with all [their] might.”

For listeners: This episode is essential for understanding ongoing debates over the future of the conservative movement, the boundaries between dissent and nihilism, and the role of faith in political renewal. It is also a defense of maintaining scriptural and moral clarity in the face of perceived darkness and disintegration on the Right.

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Transcript

A (0:21)

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A (16:13)

And I give analysis that I don't like. And people are like, well, why? I mean, dude, I don't like this. It's just what I think is happening. I think the world on this has, I do think the level of political vulnerability for the vice president has to some degree accelerated on this than what I thought it was even a week ago Monday. And I think the Joe Kent and I was just reading a transcript of the interview that he did with Levin before we went on the air, right up until the time we went on the air. They did that discussion last night. And I mean, essentially, Kent is claiming Israel. To sum up what I read, Kent, Jo Kent is claiming that Israel controls Donald Trump. They both went back and forth from what I could see, kind of giving their respective sides of the issue. The one thing, though, when Mark asked Joe Kent to supply any specific examples of the 18 intelligence agencies who do not think Iran is a threat, Kent could not do that. But Joe Kent and Tucker Carlson trying to Pentagon papers Donald Trump last week. To me, that that's a red line. That that was when we discussed this last Monday the last time. And that was not, that had not happened yet. But I, I think this conversation has devolved quite a bit. And it's, it's very clear there are going to be attempts, particularly when you see some of the stuff Tucker has said recently that we'll get into next hour. It's, it's now very clear on both ends. Both people who, you know are, are with Tucker on this and then people who are not on both ends. The vice president here is going to get squeezed by people with narratives they want affirmed. Okay. Yes, you're with us here. And whatever this new thing on the right is now where we agree that there's only terrorists because of colonizers, which sounds like a talking point right out of every left wing read of history ever, because it is. But I'll get into all that next hour. But for now, politically, I think it's very clear both sides of this schism. And that's what's, that's what you're watching happening right now. This will never come back together again. You're watching a schism take place and you're going to see this with what's happening next hour where Tucker is going. That's. No. Okay. No. And you know, I know our friend and colleague or on McIntyre tried Tucker on, I know we tried to press him on Islam and you know, on that issue. And I'm just going to tell you right now, you know where he's going, he's not going to take a lot of people with him, but the people he's going to take with him are going to be absolute true believers and they're going to force this conversation with the vice president every bit as much as the people on the other on the opposite side who would prefer a Rubio because he's more native to their kind of foreign policy camp. Right.

A (30:06)

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A (48:04)

Amen to that. Amen to that. An hour I never thought I'd do, but we have to. Next. All right, we're back here with hour two, live and on demand on Blaze TV, radio and podcast alongside Todd Erzin and Aaron McIntyre. I'm Steve Dase. You can let us know what you think about what we think via the stevedace.com inbox. Steve@stevedayce.com that's D, E A C E like us on Facebook, Me, we and Gab. Follow me at Steve Day show on X Instagram and Tick Tock. You can also subscribe to our new YouTube channel @Dace show on YouTube. That's @Dace show on YouTube. And then finally, if you wouldn't mind, if you love the podcast version, we would love it if you'd subscribe. So many of you have. And that's why we're frankly doing this gig, because of you. You're the biggest part of our audience. And then you can also, if you really love the show, hit us up with a five star review as tens of thousands of you have. And that would be very much appreciated. We appreciate each and every one of those as well as we appreciate our friends over at Patriot Mobile. And first and foremost, make the switch to Patriot Mobile because it's a great product. All right? Our family's been with them now for almost exactly six years and we've never looked back. All right? We've had kids grow up, leave the home, change devices, upgrade devices, change lifestyle arrangements. And through it all, their customer service team has been terrific. The service in and of itself has been terrific. We've never looked back. But then on top of that, they share the same values that you do. And so therefore you're not only getting a great product, but the value added of a company that then reinvests what you invest into them back into the values they share in common with you. Which is why just about anywhere you go, anything that is of a significant event on the right, you'll see Patriot Mobile most of the time there's as one of the sponsors to make it happen. All right, so make the switch today. If you're locked into a terrible deal with a communist corporation, they got buyout programs to maybe get you out of that too. You can keep your number, switch your number, keep your phone, upgrade your phone, whatever you want to do. And you get started with a free month of service with my promo code, steve@patriot mobile.com Steve. That's patriot mobile.com Steve promo code Steve, get started with a free month of service. All right, we're going to spend an hour, the final hour of our show today on a segment we debuted in January titled Deconstructing Tucker. Deconstructing. And since we've been. It's been a minute since we've done this segment, just want to remind everybody what deconstructing means. It means that you are tearing down a belief system that you used to have and rejecting it in order to reinstall a new belief system. And sometimes this can be healthy. For example, as a Christian, we're to die daily. We're to deconstruct our old belief systems, to no longer be conformed to the thoughts and patterns of this world, but to be transformed by the renewing of our minds. Right. But here's the difference and why we call it conversion or sanctification within Christianity and not deconstruction, because the reason that you are leaving your old life behind is because you have found new life in Christ. Right? You see what I'm saying? You're. You're already committed to what the new belief system is. That's what's instigated you rejecting your old one. You're not rejecting your old one and then just kind of meandering and figuring out, where am I going to go from here? Because I've been lied to and misled. That's the difference between conversion or sanctification and deconstruction. And I first posited this theory at the beginning of the year that I thought we were seeing with Tucker Carlson was classic deconstruction. And I think the conversation we're going to have this hour and the clips we have lined up to share with you here in a few minutes, I think are going to confirm that is exactly what is happening here. And remember what I said at the beginning, deconstructions almost always happen from a sympathetic premise. Well, I was abused by the Church and no one was punished for it. Or this televangelist took me to me or my nana to the cleaners. And, and, and no one held them accountable. Or it almost always starts from some betrayal or disappointment. And I think all three of us here on this show would agree that the previous neocon, globalist era of American policy, especially foreign, but also domestic, was anywhere from a classic failure to a cosmic one to a tragic one. I think we would all agree on that. Yeah. So then you agree with that as well, Aaron?

A (57:44)

I, I. This is just utter nihilistic darkness. And I think everybody now, with six months since Charlie's murder, I think everybody's had ample opportunity to present any form of evidence to any of their claims or their counterclaims, and yet none has ever been done. So I'm out of patience with it, and I, I just don't want to inhabit airspace with it, and so I won't. And that may put some people in some very difficult circumstances. I won't be one of them. I can promise you that. I am totally fine making a lot less money and talking to a lot fewer people than tolerating this darkness. And I want that stated for the record in public, on the air, for everybody to hear. I'm done. I have no more tolerance for this left, and I didn't have much to begin with. Now let's get to some of these elements I want you guys to see. First of all, I want to make sure everybody understands that what we're talking about here is not isolationism. I'm actually fine with isolationists. I think it's a logical conclusion or reaction to what we just saw fail called globalism in the last era. I think it's a logical reaction, maybe an overreaction. I'm not sure exactly how realistic it is to be an isolationist when we are in a world where weapons breach oceans now and all of us are able to smear, slander, blaspheme, liable anybody we want with one of these devices to untold how many people across the globe at a moment's notice. Right. You know, so I, given those two realities of how connected we are via the virtual world and how, how profligate weapons are that breach oceans are now, I just don't think the Ron Paul view of the world is realistic. Okay. But I at least understand that why you would want to go there. And it's certainly not incorrect that we have so many problems of our own and some of our many of our own making right now to deal with. We just don't have time to fix Iran or anyone else. And have you heard me complain to anybody whatsoever that has made that critique at all?

A (60:03)

How often though is that critique actually make and how often is it? See what I'm saying? It's almost never the former critique. It's almost always the latter. All right, and, and listen, I'm, I'm, I've been against the Ukraine scam from the beginning. I'm not in favor of boots on the ground in Iran. I wasn't even in favor of doing this until we did it. Now that we're in, I'm kind of like, well, I want us to win now. And, but plus, you know, every time a member of the Iranian, you know, Republic Command gets murdered, gets killed, an angel gets his wings, you know, so, but, but none of this is isolationism. It's not what you're watching. And, and what's being peddled now by its most high profile advocates, and I think Tucker Carlson is among them, sadly, this is not anti, this is not isolationism. It's anti Semitism and it's pro Islam and it's anti Western propaganda. And you'll see that from Tucker himself as we go through this in his own words, you'll see this and it's deceptively shrouding itself within rational isolationist fears. But that's not what this is. And you can tell who's doing that by who keeps giving an audience looking at you, Matt Gates, looking you, Tucker Carlson. I did research on Douglas, Colonel Douglas MacGregor. Turns out he hasn't been right about a single, a single prediction he's made like ever, like on anything. I couldn't find one cataclysmic prediction on anything he made that ever turned out to be accurate. I couldn't find a single one wrong on them all. Remember he said like two days into the war too that Iran had destroyed all our bases and we had. The Indians were helping us. Remember he said that? That was on One America News with Matt Gaetz, if you recall. You can also tell by who never criticizes Islam. Mention its. Its takeover of America. Bookmark that statement here. We're coming to that in a minute. Takes Beijing dispatches from Beijing for news like Tucker with this Japan or Chinese professor who literally lives in Beijing because you know Beijing, it's a place well known for the freedom of thought and opinion and a diversity of ideologies.

A (77:33)

I did a poll over the weekend asking you guys, hey, do you agree with Tucker we should share globalist power with China, or are you America first? 84% agreed, we're America first. 16% said share power with China. Help me understand for you. 16%. What's that look like? How do you just sit down with a regime, a godless, atheistic regime? How do you do that? The grand finale clip, though, that put me over the top. That's what's coming next. Hey, make sure you take as much of your health in your hands as you can. Our friends at Chirp can help you that preventative health, whether we're talking about trigger point or foam rollers, the rolling power mini massager from Chirp I take with me wherever I go, including on the road. Whether we're talking about the Chirp contour where you get spinal decompression and massage right there like you would at a clinic in the comfort of your own home. They've got a full menu of preventative health items that are key into making sure you can get active and stay active and stay healthy. And if you want to check it out, man, go to go chirp.com Steve all right, go chirp.com Steve is where you want to go. Like Birdie Chirp. C-H-I R P gocherp.com Steve Again, head over there today. I'm telling you these things are vital to make sure you can maintain an active and high quality pain free life as much as possible. Gocher.com Steve yeah, I want to make sure everybody understands what has caused me to draw the line. I'm drawing on this show today. I mean I've sat here for the last few years of the, on both sides of the Oron McIntyre, Joel Berry debate. I've got friends on both sides of it. They, I entertain their objections to one another. I hear out what they want to say. I think we need to have these discussions and debates. That's not what is occurring here. This is demoniac. Did God really say nihilism? I want to make sure my two triggers are don't let the guy who murdered our brother go free when he confessed his fingerprints are on the weapon and all the ballistics implicate him. And then don't torment his poor widow whose children will never ever be able to live without seeing the video of their father murdered because it's the most viewed murder in all of human history. Those are my only two rules of engagement. Beyond that, you're free to have all the debates you want. I'll agree. Disagree doesn't have to get personal. That's it. Those are my, those are, those are the only two things I asked to not draw the line I'm drawing here today. Don't let the man, don't let the deranged demoniac who murdered our brother go free and don't torment his poor widow. And we couldn't even do that. So no, no, I'm out of patience. I wasn't really good at having any in the first place. And I'm gonna give you the fight you said you wanted. I'm gonna give it to you now just be careful what you wish for because I'm not Marty maid. I'm not Jews or great 14 on X. I pack quite a wallop. Buckle those chin straps a little bit harder because I'm coming especially after this clip. Watch this.