Two BIG Lessons from Thomas Massie's Primary Defeat | 5/20/26

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"Two BIG Lessons from Thomas Massie's Primary Defeat" | May 20, 2026

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Episode Overview

In this episode, Steve Deace and his co-hosts, Todd Erzin and Aaron McIntyre, deliver an in-depth, snark-laden analysis of Congressman Thomas Massie’s stunning primary defeat in Kentucky. They explore the shifting dynamics within the Republican Party, the changing nature of political influence in the age of social media, and the broader implications for conservative politics. They also dive into tangential political and cultural issues (from transgender athletics to the rise of the so-called “Halal Right” online), all in a fast-paced, unapologetically opinionated style. Notable throughout is Deace’s nuanced approach to Massie’s career, the Trump coalition, and current conservative media's globe-straddling-but-shallow influence.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Thomas Massie's Primary Defeat: What Happened and Why?

Timestamp: 00:01 – 17:43

• Massie Loses to Trump-Endorsed Ed Gowrin: After seven terms, Rep. Thomas Massie is ousted in a Kentucky primary, marking a significant event in modern congressional politics. Massie concedes with characteristic candor and a sharply-aimed Tel Aviv quip.

• Steve Deace’s Take:

  • Deace intentionally avoided covering the race in real-time, feeling “it’s brought out the absolute worst in everybody” and not wanting to pile on Massie in a tough year following his wife’s death.

  • Deace praises Massie as a historically “exemplary public servant” and is sympathetic to contrarians in any movement:

    “I think for most of his career, Thomas Massie has been an exemplary public servant. … I’ve been the contrarian a lot in my career, so I’m sympathetic to the need, desire and presence of contrarians.” (10:08, Steve)

  • Concerns About Massie's Shifts:

    • Recent alliances with figures like Ro Khanna (a Democrat with a new interest in the Epstein files) and Massie’s “anti-Israel stuff”—particularly his quip about calling his opponent in Tel Aviv—concern Deace:

      “Once you start absorbing the anti-Semitic tropes and lingo... Name one person who’s like, kinder, gentler, more joyful… Just give me one person. … Can you guys—Dave Smith, the comic? When was the last time he actually did… comedy?" (10:45, Steve)

    • Steve connects these shifts to a larger phenomenon:

      “This is why Charlie, I think, called it brain rot.” (11:18, Steve)

  • Don’t Weaponize Grief: Deace doesn’t believe in criticizing public figures’ actions while mourning; he credits Massie’s previous 12 years of service and “let this play itself out.”

• The Federalist's Sean Davis Analysis:

  • Deace reads and unpacks a tweet-thread from Sean Davis, which argues that Massie’s loss wasn’t simply a product of Trump’s opposition. Rather, it was the result of Massie shifting from “principled libertarian” to “Epstein obsessive,” seeking attention rather than representing constituents:

    “Massie went from being perceived as a quirky but lovable nerd… to looking like a clout chasing influencer who cared more about getting TV time with Democrats… than he did representing his voters.” (14:10, Sean Davis, quoted by Steve)

  • The thesis: Massie changed, his district didn’t—and they noticed.

• Todd & Aaron’s Reactions:

  • Todd applies Occam’s Razor: People noticed Massie’s change; “When the changes you’re going through make Donald Trump seem the more stable and normative one… maybe you gotta ask yourself some questions.” (15:16, Todd)
  • Aaron underscores the importance of not letting another person (Trump or otherwise) “dominate your messaging.” (16:35, Aaron)

• The Trump Factor in GOP Politics:

  • Deace: “You will never beat Donald Trump if you let him get under your skin to the point that it gets personal. … He’s the Incredible Hulk when it gets personal, and [Massie] let it get personal.” (17:43, Steve)

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2. Audience vs. Influence in the Social Media Age

Timestamp: 17:43 – 33:00

• “X is Real Life, But It’s Not a Real Place”:

  • Deace explains the disjunction between online audience size and real-world political clout:

    “There is a difference between audience and influence. … The audience that you can build on social media may not have any interest or ability to impact what actually happens on the ground in America.” (21:00, Steve)

    • Huge online audiences can’t necessarily be mobilized to vote or sway elections—they’re “a planet wide but a creek deep.”

• The ‘Halal Right’ Phenomenon:

  • Deace coins “the Halal Right” to describe the global coalition of anti-Israel, anti-Western, sometimes Muslim-majority followers embraced by parts of the new right-wing digital media.

    “The followership is fake to some degree or it’s foreign. … What we’re really calling the woke right, guys… I think we just really need to call it the Halal Right. That’s really what it is.” (29:56, Steve)

  • He uses the example of poor book sales by influencers with huge social media followings:

    “There’s no way… I should be able to outsell someone with 10 million followers on the book market. … Your followers are foreigners [who] aren’t participating.” (28:03, Steve)

• Rush Limbaugh vs. Today’s Podcaster/Influencers:

  • The panel laments the “dopamine hit” of modern digital reach vs Limbaugh-level sustaining influence; authenticity is waning, and selling out is easier.
  • Todd: “That is dying inside because they’ve found something—an idol—that they won’t smash, that they need more.” (33:10, Todd)

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3. The Weaponization of Conservative Media and Intra-Movement Grift

Timestamp: 33:10 – 40:32

• Movie Analogy—Organized Grift Gone Wild:

  • Steve likens the conservative media grift to The Godfather: “We had an acceptable amount of grift, an acceptable amount of crime, under Don Corleone. But the Sollozzo brothers have moved in… Now we’re just selling cocaine now. Now we’re just crapping where we live.” (35:06–35:53, Steve)

• Market Value and Chaos:

  • The “market” has lost its value-orientation and is now a free-for-all driven by online clout, not real-life impact or excellence.

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4. The Tucker Carlson Question and 2028's Conservative Future

Timestamp: 40:32 – 47:17

• Tucker Carlson’s Alienation from Evangelicals:
  • At a private DC dinner, Steve learns that, within influential conservative circles, Tucker is now viewed by many as “a double agent… a Tokyo Rose for Muslim interests”. His alliance with J.D. Vance could hurt the latter’s future prospects, particularly among evangelical GOP voters:

    “Tucker has ruined his reputation within evangelicalism. With the exception of one particular sect… his name is mud.” (45:25, Steve)

  • Steve predicts J.D. Vance will have to address these associations head-on in any presidential run.

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5. Internet Tribalism and Real-World Results

Timestamp: 47:17 – 73:06 (& interwoven)

• Online Behavior vs. Real Voting Patterns:

  • The hosts mock the tendency to over-extrapolate from online engagement to real-world activism:

    “These people are real, but the place is not real.” (71:01, Steve)

• Trump’s Power over the GOP Base:

  • Trump’s supporters, and his personal power—if allowed to dominate a candidate’s personal messaging or psyche—are almost impossible to overcome (see: Massie).

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6. Notable Tangents and Quick Hits

Selected Timestamps Below

• Transgender Athlete Controversy in California (01:36 – 02:41):
  Olivia Viola, a female athlete, calls the new CIF “podium policy” a “band-aid fix… just a blanket to keep us quiet.”
• The NAACP and College Athlete Activism (03:10 – 04:27):
  NAACP urges black athletes to avoid state schools in regions enacting voting restrictions.
• Libertarian Moments and Media Tropes (04:27 – 04:58):
  Deace plays a 2016 Libertarian debate soundbite for comic relief.
• Buy, Sell, Hold Segment (60:01+)
  As always, Deace and the crew field satirical, political, and pop culture prompts, mining for both laughs and insight.

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Notable Quotes

• "On one hand, Trump is the rightful king of the Republican Party... On the other hand... we should always, always have room for contrarians." (10:08, Steve)
• "Once you start absorbing the anti-Semitic tropes and lingo... No one… is more joyful to be around." (10:45, Steve)
• "Audience and influence, again, are not the same thing, particularly in this digital era." (23:45, Steve)
• "I think what we're really calling the woke right, guys? I think we just need to call it the Halal Right." (29:56, Steve)
• “If you let another person get a foothold in your mind… you’re going to drive yourself nuts because you’re not perfect and neither is that other individual.” (16:35, Aaron)
• “You will never beat Donald Trump if you let him get under your skin to the point that it gets personal.” (17:43, Steve)
• “We’re not what we believe; we are what we do. … What you believe is not what you confess, it’s what you do.” (56:44, Steve)

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Memorable Moments & Humor

• Movie Grift Analogy (35:01–36:25)
  Steve turns to The Godfather to skewer the rise of weaponized, unprincipled grift in conservative media.
• "If I can't hold it, I'm just going to pee" (66:42)
  A running inside joke among the hosts, referencing on-air gaffes and further fueling their self-effacing humor.
• Repeated Ellen Page, Hulk, and CPAC jokes (81:03+)
  The team mocks woke Hollywood casting, making repeated tongue-in-cheek predictions Ellen Page will take on every role before Steve speaks at CPAC.

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Important Timestamps

• 00:01 – 17:43: Massie’s defeat, Trump’s primary dominance, analysis
• 17:43 – 33:00: Social media audience vs. real-life influence, "Halal Right" phenomenon
• 33:10 – 40:32: Media grift and the death of authenticity
• 40:32 – 47:17: Conservative evangelical suspicion toward Tucker; implications for 2028
• 73:06 – end: Community Q&A—satire, pop culture, and further takes on political current events

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Tone & Style

The episode is a mixture of pointed analysis and irreverent banter, heavily laced with sarcasm, inside jokes, and “contrarian with a heart” commentary—a signature of the show. The hosts are self-aware, quick to poke fun at themselves, and unapologetically direct toward the subjects of their criticism and praise.

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Final Thoughts

Central Lessons:

1. Political reputation—once founded on principle and constituent service, as with Massie—can be undermined by perceived inconsistency, online obsession, or the dominance of personality-driven feuds (especially involving Trump).
2. In today’s digital environment, audience size does not equal real-world power—particularly when much of that audience is global, not American, and cannot vote or effect change.
3. The conservative coalition is in flux, split not just by policy, but by online ecosystems, culture wars, and emerging demographic and religious suspicions.

Trivia:
Steve’s new book, Why Independence Day—America is Great Because God is Good, is outselling books from much larger influencers, fueling his arguments about the shallow, global nature of much social media fandom.

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For listeners who missed the episode:
This summary captures the major themes, key insights, and signature snark of the Steve Deace crew as they dissect one of 2026’s most revealing political primary upsets, while also digging into the philosophical and practical questions facing the modern American right.

Transcript

[A]

It's the Steve Day show. And here's what happened while we were away, brought to you by so long, Tom. Congressman Thomas Massie of Kentucky, serving in the House of Representatives for seven full terms, was ousted yesterday by Trump, endorsed Ed Golering in the Republican primary, the 4th congressional district of the Bluegrass State. Here's Massie after the results were in.

[B]

I would have come out sooner, but I had to call my opponent and concede and it took a while to

[A]

find Ed Gowrin in Tel Aviv. I did get the call through, though. I have called and conceded the race.

[B]

We've been honorable the whole time and

[A]

we're going to stay that way. Yikes. President Trump is also making moves in Texas, announcing yesterday his total endorsement of Texas Attorney General Ken Paxton in his runoff against incumbent Senator John Cornyn that sent the Senate GOP into a tailspin. Here's Senate Majority Leader John Thune. Whoops, wrong clip.

[B]

Senator Cornyn is a principal conservative. He is a very effective senator for the state of Texas. But I don't. None of us control what the president does. He made his decision about that. That doesn't change the way I feel.

[A]

You'll recall it was Paxton who pulled off that incredibly deft political maneuver in the aftermath of the Texas GOP Senate primary after it went to a runoff and when it appeared Trump was set to endorse Cornyn, where he promised to drop out of the primary if the Senate passed the Save America Act. The Senate, of course, did not. So here we are this morning. President Trump says, wanna win.

[B]

I know how. Some of them don't know how to win. I know how to win. I think I've proven that, haven't I?

[A]

Couple of other odds and ends in California. A.B. hernandez, the dude pretending to be a woman, spent another weekend dominating girls track and field competitions, winning first place in the high jump, long jump and triple jump at the California Interscholastic Federation Southern Section finals on Saturday. But the CIF has a new policy trying to please both sides of the issue. The new policy is that any actual female athlete finishing directly behind a male competitor is automatically elevated to an identical placement on the podium. On Fox News, Korean Lutheran High School girls track and field athlete Olivia Viola addressed the CIF's ongoing neglect of female athletes calls to oust boys from competition, including A.B. hernandez.

[B]

I would say it's nothing but a

[C]

band aid fix from the governing board, from the athletic governing board.

[B]

It doesn't actually undo all of the displacements that have happened throughout their entire league. It only applies to the final CIF meets. It doesn't apply to league. It doesn't apply to outside meets. It doesn't apply to other sports. It doesn't actually fix the problem. It's just a blanket to keep us quiet.

[A]

Check out this headline from BBC Worldwide, selling Children to Survive. Afghan Fathers Forced to Make Impossible Choices. It's a sympathetically framed story about the selling of young girls into slavery, casting Afghan men as victims forced to sell their little girls to make ends meet back at home, the NAACP is urging athletes at schools in every state in the south considering redistricting to consider all available options under the transfer portal. We are calling on athletes who are

[B]

coming out of high school not to attend any state funded schools of states that that have moved to minimize our right to vote, to minimize our ability to elect candidates of our choice and

[A]

states that are seeking to create a

[B]

sharecropping reality, whether that state be Missouri or Mississippi, whether that state is South Carolina, Georgia, Alabama, Louisiana, Texas or Florida.

[A]

Anyway, here's Steve like five days ago.

[B]

All right, my prediction this week, because last week's turned out to be dead right, there was going to be no Richter scale movement or anything off of any UFO release for much of the not for necessarily the good reasons, but we it would literally take aliens landing on that first Wednesday night NFL game in prime time and interrupting that for people to give a rip. We're going to learn the reason that Southern states aren't going as far as we would like in eliminating race based districts like South Carolina, for example, is they're concerned about two things. Race rioting is one. You ready for this one, Todd? Here's the other thing. They're going to be concerned about black college athletes in those states that may be induced to sit out games in protest.

[A]

And finally, in the aftermath of Thomas Massie's ouster from Congress, here's a libertarian blast from the past. Here's one of their presidential debates of 2016.

[B]

Should someone have to have a government issued license to drive a car? Hell no. What's next? Requiring a license to make toast in your own damn toaster? The license to drive. You know, I'd like to see some competency exhibited by people before they drive.

[A]

Oh boy, that's what happens while we were away.

[B]

We are going to have plenty on last night's primary results. A historic congressional primary in America with Thomas Massie. We'll analyze it here as well as something that came up at a dinner I had here in D.C. last night that is making me amend an opinion that I recently had. I'll tell you about that. And of course, we're going to play buy, sell or hold. All that and more next on the Steve Day Show. Greetings. Happy Wednesday. Welcome to the Steve Day Show. I am here on location in our nation's capital in Washington, D.C. we are live and on demand here on Blaze TV, radio and podcast. Todd Erzin and Aaron McIntyre are back there in suburban Des Moines and we're brought to you by our friends over at Covpure. It is the device that the Erzen family has been trying to break now for almost a year because of overuse and how much they love it. It looks, if you're watching right now on BlazeTV, it looks just like a Keurig or another cool, sleek appliance you'd put on the countertop. But it has literal life changing, life saving virtues which Todd, you're now going to tell us about because your family's been taking full advantage of it now for nearly a year.

[C]

And you have memorized my talking points by now, Steve. But my wife corrected me recently. You and I obviously think this was implied. We use it so much we're trying to break it. We must like the water. My wife said, you know what, you never say that. We really love the actual taste of the water, which for them is a huge. My wife and my daughters are hypersensitive. I mean, they could tell immediately when they think a certain brand of bottled water or something is not up to stuff. Instantly they were like, we're in on this, which is why they're trying to break it. But apparently I buried the lead. The water is amazing. So there you go.

[B]

Well, the best part about Copure, Todd just said the water tastes amazing. Yes, it's maha compliant, but the water tastes amazing. And it's the most Tatarsen thing ever to be talking about Copure for nearly a year and never once spring up that it actually tastes good. That's a very tatah thing. All right, so no drilling of holes, no calling a plumber. Just plug it in. Take control of your water quality right now. Head to copure.com Steve. You'll get $250 off for a limited time. C-O-V E P U-R E copure.com Steve and get $250 off for a limited Time right now at copure.com Steve. All right, coming up at the bottom of the hour, I'm going to get into something that came up at a dinner I had here in D.C. last night, an off the record dinner with a group of VIPs that will remain nameless at the Capitol Hill Club. And I was informed of something that is more of a problem for a certain high profile politician that I like a lot than I thought. And we're going to get into that at the bottom of the hour. Consider that a tease. And of course we are going to get into your buy seller hold submissions coming up in hour two of the program. But on purpose, I have not said much. I explained a little bit about this earlier, I think maybe even yesterday on the show, guys, on purpose, I have not said much about the Massie primary in Kentucky, mainly because I think that it's brought out the absolute worst in everybody. And on one hand, Trump is the rightful king of the Republican Party. I think it's kind of a rule that if you get shot in the face on behalf of your supporters, you kind of get to be their king if that's what they want. On the other hand, you guys know I'm a believer that we should always, always have room for contrarians. I've been the contrarian a lot in my career, for example, so I'm sympathetic to the need, desire and presence of contrarians. Doesn't mean you have to believe what they believe. Doesn't mean you have to agree with what the contrarians suggest. But I do kind of think that you should at least be willing to hear him out and then, hey, if they're wrong, they're wrong. I think it's healthy to have contrarians in your movement. I think for most of his career, Thomas Massie has been an exemplary public servant. And I have said that on several occasions. I'm on the record saying that I know Thomas Massie, so why didn't I do more to defend him? Well, when I don't have a concentrated audience in rural Kentucky, so it wouldn't make much of a difference. Difference. But two, I am not sure about some of the things I've seen from Thomas Massie in the last year. Just give us the names then, of the Epstein accusers. Just give us the names. I mean, we've been promised these names. He's promised us these names. Just, just give us the names. In fact, he could even just give us the names today. Just, just give us the names of the women who were abused. Give us the names of those who abused them. I have no idea why you align with Ro Kahana, who disagrees with us on virtually everything and cared not at all about the Epstein files for the four years that Joe Biden was president and is clearly just Using this as a craven opportunist, and yet you're aligning with him so that he can then use this as a talking point against us? Several of the associations. And I'm just going to tell you, when you start getting into the anti Israel stuff, you lose me. Because that comment last night, I tried to call my opponent in Tel Aviv. Guys, I'm just telling you, man, it's supernatural. No one, Once you start absorbing the anti Semitic tropes and lingo. No one. Name one person who's like, kinder, gentler, more joyful to be around, smiles more, laughs as much as they used to. Just give me one person. Can you guys. Dave Smith, the comic, when was the last time he actually did, I don't know, comedy? Can you guys. Do you have an example of someone. This is why Charlie, I think, called it brain rot. Can you guys come up with someone that you thought, you know what, the anti Israel. Absorbing all that anti Israel thought and talk, that person's just way more pleasant to be around than they used to. Can you guys just give ME1? There's 8 billion people on the earth. Just one example. Go ahead, guys, if you don't mind.

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It's unique, something incredibly unique about this line of thought that you almost always. I mean, there are some, I think, who have maybe gone towards this, but pulled back. But once you start and don't stop absorbing this, imbibing this. I've seen it now just over the past two years. So many people just go down the dark hole. And it is a dark hole. And I think it's something unique about this issue. Something unique. And I think that is. I think you pegged it. It's spiritual.

[C]

Bill Maher said as much on his. One of his monologues just this week. So it's being noticed by lots of people.

[B]

Now, some of you who are Massey loyalists will say, well, Steve, then why didn't you say anything about this for the last year? Because I love Thomas Massie. He lost his wife. You know, you know me, I'm. I'm kind of consistent. I'll always tell you what I think. I don't think it's. It's. It's good to be crushing people for how they mourn or how they respond to mourning. Whether it's Erica Kirk, who's the husband of or wife of a good friend of mine, who lost her husband in the most public, painful way possible, or Thomas Massie who lost his wife suddenly, I'm not big on that because he has had 12 years of being, I think, an exemplary public servant, I'm not one to necessarily just sit around and harp on something I don't like right now. So I just kind of stayed out of it and let this play itself out and, and let the end results come. What may say some things for us. And there's a post I saw last night from Sean Davis at the Federalist that I would like to share. And what's interesting to me about this is Sean would be in the camp of folks who think we're too closely aligned with Israel but has not absorbed this level of brain rot. Just he's got I would put him in like the Oron McIntyre camp. Is that fair? You know, he has not absorbed this level of brain rot, but clearly would like our understanding of our international alliances, including and maybe even first and foremost Israel's reconsidered. Is that a fair description, do you think?

[C]

Okay, yeah, yeah.

[B]

You guys okay with that, right? That's why what he posted here I found fascinating. I want to share this with you why did Massie lose tonight? Massie went from principled libertarian during COVID to GOP leadership lapdog under McCarthy to anti Trump Epstein obsessive in 2025 after tweeting about that issue a whopping three times in the decade prior. The nail in the coffin for him was voting against the one big beautiful bill in 2025 because, according to Massie, it did too much to secure the border. Trump mercilessly trashed Massie in 2020, calling him a disaster for America and Kentucky and saying he should be thrown out of the GOP entirely. But Massie easily swatted that away and won 81 to 19 against a primary opponent. So you can't say he only lost because of Trump. He went toe to toe with Trump on Covid in 2020 and won overwhelmingly. Massie lost because he went from being perceived as a quirky but lovable nerd who seemed to genuinely believe everything he said to looking like a clout chasing influencer who cared more about getting TV time with Democrats on an issue he clearly never cared about until five minutes ago than he did representing his voters. We'll never know what caused this apparent personality change. Maybe it was the death of his wife. Maybe it was the McCarthy race followed by McCarthy's aster. Or maybe it was a desire for notoriety or media acclaim in a lucrative podcasting care of Congress. But the drastic change was undeniable, as was the seeming lack of interest in much of anything happening in Kentucky. Blame Trump. Blame Israel. Blame Epstein. Blame the tragic Death of a spouse, I don't care. But you cannot just wave away 2020 Massey going face to face with the Trump machine and winning it a route only to get smoked six years later. Massey's voters didn't really change all that much but he did and they noticed. I would like to get you guys reaction to that. What do you think?

[C]

I think applying Occam's razor is what we just heard. It's. We don't need to know every jot and diddle of, of the details to know that. Especially what he said at the end there. The, the people noticed and when you kind of, you know, go through this bedazzling, you know it is a different Thomas Massie now everybody gets fed up with certain status quo's and decide I'm not playing. I mean we have, we have a different Marco Rubio. It's seemingly in many respects for example but it depends on the direction we're going and not just a change of any kind. Change is healthy, change is good. Steve is going to come on the show here in another segment on this very episode and talk about how a conversation he had, he just promoted it kind of changed his thinking on things. It's okay, that's changed. It's what, what direction are you heading in and when the changes you're going through make Donald Trump seem the more stable and normative one. I don't know, maybe you got to ask yourself some questions and the people of Kentucky did and it's their state and their representative and that's okay.

[A]

I just think as a general rule it doesn't matter if it's Donald Trump, Steve Days, Todd Erson, Aaron McIntyre, fill in the blank name. You should never ever male or female, but maybe especially for the men. Never let another person dominate your messaging, dominate your thinking or even have too much of a share of what you think about in day and you will drive yourself crazy and here's why. Because you're not perfect and neither is the person who is getting inside your head that's going to send you into a tailspin for I don't care if it's Israel is the enemy of all things and behind all things. I don't care if it's whatever topic du jour, whatever boogeyman de jure if you let another person get a foothold in your mind, if it's too much, if it's more than I know this person exists and I know about this person and I know this person is a sin. If it's more than that, if you're obsessing on any level about another individual, you're going to drive yourself nuts because you're not perfect and neither is that other individual.

[B]

Brilliant, Aaron, 100%. The biggest change I noticed and the reason why I think Massie fended this off pretty easily before he was clear. He let this get personal this time. And even the thing yesterday about did he send out some mass text message claiming he had a Trump endorsement? And the little snide remark there as he came out on the stage, he let it get personal. And listen, take it from a former senior strategist on the Ted Cruz campaign, you will never beat Donald Trump if you let him get under your skin to the point that it gets personal, you have no chance. He's the Incredible Hulk when it gets personal and he let it get personal. And I think maybe somebody knows his own district sensed that. You don't have an 8119 to a 10 point loss strictly because AIPAC spent money. You're a seven term congressman. Everyone knows who you are. That's why you beat these challenges so resoundingly in the past. Sean is at least right about this to some extent that they are wondering maybe you're not who you used to be. Right. And, but in the end these are, this is a divorce and divorces always bring out the worst in everybody. So I'm, I'm not really sure there's a winner here. I think everybody, we're all kind of losers here and I don't think it benefits the Republic whatsoever. And I think that it's pretty clear that you have to have an agenda other than I just oppose Donald Trump because then the people view you as getting in their way, not being some principled contrarian. And that's what Sean was alluding to here, I think. Which brings me to another lesson. I think we're learning. So we went from Twitter is not real life to we would not have won the last election without Twitter, which then became X because of Elon Musk, the Johannes Gutenberg of the 2024 election cycle. To now. I think we are learning that X is real life. But follow me now, it's not a real place. How can it be real life but not a real place? Let me explain. I've always said throughout my career there is a difference between audience and influence. You can have a massive audience, but can you move people? Can you move product to those people? See, that determines the kind of influence that you have. And especially today, where we are connected more than ever before with these devices here that I have in front of me called our mobile phones and you could reach a digital audience. Last time I was in dc, I did a speaking engagement here for cpi. Young lady comes up to me, she's a host from here in dc, heard what I had to say about Islam and America and thought it would be fascinating to interview me and beam it back to Saudi Arabia and United Arab Emirates. So I did that interview. I just posted it on X last night. You can go and watch it if you want. When I got started in this 20 years ago, there was no chance you could do things like that. You were building stuff one radio tower at a time, one platform at a time, one byline at a time, one cable news hit at a time. The idea that you could just instantly gain a following or a Salman Rushdie like group of enemies half a planet away in 15 minutes any day just wasn't the world that we live in now. And so I think it is real, but it's not a real place because the audience that you can build on social media may not have any interest or ability to impact what actually happens on the ground in America. And we've talked so much about these and I hate the term woke right? You guys know this, I've been called woke right. Okay, so I'm a Zionist cuck goyim, woke Reichist every day. These terms mean nothing. They're just tropes from retards. Right. And a lot of times woke right just means you want to be more aggressive confronting the system than an atheist cultural observer is comfortable comfortable with. That's not a good enough definition for me, but thank you. I do think we do have finally a woke right. Definition of woke left is race, everything's racist, everything's Jewish. Is the woke left? The Jews did it, the whites did it on the woke left, the Jews did it on the woke right. Okay. Barring that though I hate the term and almost never use it, but this cachet of folks, and of course Tucker's the ringleader here, that have kind of broken off at the start of this year with a lot of anti Trumpian, anti evangelical, anti western tropes. And you see that they have these huge online audiences and yet all the candidates they back not only lose, they get annihilated. For a sitting congressman to lose by 10 points is a flat out rout. In a district he'd already won six times, that's getting destroyed. That's one of the worst losses in incumbent congressman's ever had in American history. Since the two party system started And I think what we're learning here is that audience and influence, again, are not the same thing, particularly in this digital era. With this device sitting in front of me, I can develop a following that is literally tens of thousands of miles wide. And it's real. But when it comes time now to migrate that herd into a product, will you sell this product for me? Will you vote this way for me? It might be literally a planet wide, but it's a creek deep. It's a creek deep. And I think, you know, one of the phenomenons we've noticed recently is this selling of interviews that you're seeing in our movement. Let me tell you why I think this is happening, because if you're one of these, if you're Tucker Carlson and the social media metrics say that you have Rush Limbaugh level penetration, you're going to start selling ads at Rush Limbaugh level rates. But after a while goes by and you cannot generate a Rush Limbaugh level response. Well, you're not just going to say, you know what, on second thought, I'll take less money. No. As this gets around and all these advertisers, they all talk to each other. They're all, it's a group of about a half dozen ad firms that all have all the clients that are on all our shows. So if the alien ain't one words, if you didn't perform for one, it's good to get around to all the rest. It's a small community and if you're charging those rates, but you can't get that level of response, well, it's not necessarily because your audience is fake, but they're not in a real place, meaning they're not in a place where they could vote or consume American products. I mean, did Megan herself come out and say, you know, Tucker's got this whole new era Muslim audience. He's really proud of it? I think it's true. I don't think it's a made up thing at all. And so what ends up happening is you kind of have to become the halal. Right. For all the Hakeems out there that are buying into what you're selling. Love your messaging. The problem is Hakeem and Qatar can't vote here. At least he's not supposed to anyway. And he's probably not going to buy a, you know, he's probably not going to donate to preborn. Probably not. So that means I got a. But I've got a huge audience. That's real. So then I need to book Guests that line up with that audience. And so now I need Halal, right content for Halal, right audience. And I have to create an entirely separate ecosystem that responds to a followership that is a planet wide but a creek deep. And something I want you to watch. Tucker just established his own publishing company. I will be very fascinated to see because let me tell you what Amazon rankings are just cold blooded. How many books you've sold compared to the other 32 million books for sale that day on Amazon. There's no proprietary formula like the New York Times. It's not about how many people clicked on your page. It's not how many engagements you got, how many look throughs, impressions. Nope, nope, nope. It's just how many people bought the thing today. And let's just say, hypothetically speaking, that someone with, I don't know, 10 million ex followers recently released a book under Tucker's label after getting promoted heavily by Tucker, Megyn Kelly, Piers Morgan, three shows with huge audiences and then released that book a week ago and today it is sitting in 7,000th place on Amazon. And say a book from somebody like me that doesn't have anything close to that has only a few hundred thousand ex followers, let alone not even a million or 10 million, doesn't have a book coming out for another six days. But it's about 6,000 spots higher on Amazon than yours. That should never happen. I'm sure it's not happening. I'm sure this is a pure hypothetical. Of course, of course, of course. Hypothetically speaking, of course. Because mathematically it would be impossible. I mean, you're talking to way more people than I am. Even if your book is just you making fart noises with your armpit, you're reaching way more people than me. It's not, it's not even possible I could possibly outsell you, at least to this ma, especially to this magnitude. How would you explain this? Some of it, of course, some of our followings are all fake. It's the digital era. But not to explain a 5,000 place difference on Amazon. It'd have to be another reason. Something like your followers are foreigners and they're not participating. They got lots of opinions on American culture and western culture and society, especially where Israel is concerned. But they're not participants in Americana, literally like whatsoever. Again, I'm just hypothetically speaking, I'm not saying this event is taking place as we speak right now, that you could go verify for yourself or probably deduce who or what it is I'm talking about. But in no Way, shape or form, should I be able to outsell someone with 10 million followers on the book market? Should just never happen. Don't care how, what the subject matter is, the quality of it. Your bandwidth is just way beyond mine. It's a little bit like I'm the biggest sharpshooter in Angola and I'm up against the United States military. It doesn't matter the amount of guns and weapons pointed back at me. It doesn't matter how good of a shot I am, I'm dead. So then how would you explain that I could outperform a book like this to this magnitude? You'd have to come to one of two conclusions. The followership is fake to some degree or it's foreign. It's foreign. So I think what we're really going to call, what we're really calling the woke, right, guys? I think we just really need to call it the Halal. Right? That's really what it is. And it's a true global marketplace. Part of the byproduct of the success of Trump's foreign policy adventures and the success of his Arab alliance is we probably do have more folks from that part of the world tuned into what's going on here in our neck of the woods than ever before and participating in the, in a, in a global marketplace like X. And they love all the anti Israel stuff, but that doesn't mean they're going to buy American products and they're certainly not going to vote in America. I want to get you guys take on that when we come back and then share as well something that I was told at a dinner last night pretty explicitly. That's more of a problem than I thought it was. We'll get into that and more here next. Stay tuned. The steve day show. All right, back here I am on location in D.C. todd and Aaron are back there in Des Moines. And we are brought to you by our friends over at Patriot Mobile. They have been on the vanguard. They went out like Lewis and Clark, man. They led the expedition to establish the red parallel economy. And here's the thing. We don't just tell you to suggest or we don't just suggest to you to support them because they're patriots. That's not good enough, right? Again, we're about what's good, true and beautiful and excellence is good, true and beautiful. It's an excellent product, right? I mean, I'm paying Patriot Mobile too, every month and have been for six, going on for more than six years now out of my own pocket because they are Our family's mobile phone provider. They do an excellent job. No, I don't get it for free. I pay for it too, right? And it's worth it. Keep your number, switch your number, keep your phone, upgrade your phone, whatever you want to do. Here's one thing, celebrate the two 50th by stop giving your money directly to communist companies who hate you. Now, if you're in a bad contract with one of those, you're like, I can't get out. They've got buyout programs that might be an option for you as well. So go to patreon mobile.com steve right now. Use the promo code Steve. You'll get started with a free month of service with the promo code Steve. A free month of service with the promo code [e-mail] Steve. All right, guys, the emergence of what I'm going to call the halal, right? And that social media is a real. The social media numbers are real for the most part, but it's not a real place because this audience is so scattered and so thinned out. The idea that you can concentrate it into areas of influence, whether that's buying enough goods and services for a client or moving enough numbers in these primary elections, it's just not there. Especially or say, selling enough books, that would be probably justify the six figure advance you got for the 10 million X followers you have. And you're hypothetically sitting at 7,000th place the week of your release on X or I'm sorry, on Amazon. How do you explain all that? Well, I think it's pretty clear that the one obvious explanation is a lot of this fandom is foreign, particularly given the message that is coming from these audiences. It would line up with a lot of places that are online, young male and foreign, particularly Arab and Muslim. I think that's a very clear. That's a very obvious explanation. And then if you can't sell to the old Western, right, you've got to continue to create programming that would then, you know, generate and monetize the Halal, right? That is the bulk of your audience, which means you're going to sell a lot of interviews and a lot of access to your show. People that want to get a message out, particularly to that audience, or want to get that audience's message out in the other direction. Your thoughts?

[C]

Well, first, very selfishly, have you yet trademarked Halal? Right, Because I have a coattails concern on that front. I think you need to move on that. But I digress.

[B]

Check on that during the break. If you don't mind.

[C]

Yes. Secondly, here's the thing you're bringing up. Rush Limbaugh is really important with all of this, because simultaneously, in this world that we work in, we all have an opportunity to be like Rush Limbaugh and have an opportunity to be nothing like him at all. You get to say what you want to say now on podcasts in a way you didn't have at a media level. Steve's talked about that, what you needed, the towers and all that stuff. Now everybody gets to have a podcast on the dopamine hit that comes with it. But the selling the product, you're never even at the highest levels, you're never going to have that level of buying at least as sustainable. You might hit that, you know, the tonic for like a year or something like that, but you still have the addiction to it. And that's why Steve is talking about these foreign markets, these people who had it for a while. And Tucker came as close as anybody else for a narrow window. Then that window went away. But he still loves everything he got from that window. And so it's a Wizard of Oz peek behind the curtain on what a lot of people are doing. There's always been sellouts in this industry. Steve will tell you that before podcasts and all that stuff, people never really meant what they had to say. But we're seeing, because of this dopamine addiction, people who absolutely, I would say we would bet the house they believed in something. Doesn't mean we always agreed with them, but it was real, it was authentic. And that is dying inside because they've found something, an idol that they won't smash, that they need more. And I mean, really, that's not really a media condition. That condition, that's the human condition.

[B]

Todd, can I give you a real quick movie analogy from our era? Okay.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

I feel like what's happening to our industry, we had an acceptable amount of grift, an acceptable amount of crime, okay, under Don Corleone. But the Sollozzo brothers have moved in, and they're their whole, all right? And everything now is toxified, is weaponized. And a lot of times that toxicity and weaponization is pointed right back at our own traditional conservative audiences. And there was a certain amount of grift we all knew was there, we all had to accept. But by and large, we still thought that we were trying to, in the end, vie for something that really mattered. Okay? And a lot of the grift was pretending that you vied for something that mattered. And so in the End. It still was over things that mattered, but now we're just selling like the Solazo brothers. We're just selling cocaine now.

[C]

Yes.

[B]

Now we're just crapping where we live now. All right, now we're devaluing our own neighborhoods now we're devaluing our own properties. And the cops and stuff, they used to enjoy the speakeasies and look the other way because they needed some, some downtime before, you know, after a 14 hour day before they went home and played husband and father. Now they're coming after us and shaking us down because they're seeing the cost of what it means to put to the entire neighborhood now on this sauce. All right. On this white devil substance here. And that's. Is that, is that a good. You get where I'm going with this? Is that kind of the analogy of what we're watching happening on our side right now?

[C]

Yeah, I come. I completely jive with that. And it's going to get. Because it's not a real market. A real market by definition has to have some underlying value to it. I mean, the free market by definition is not just value neutral. It in and of itself is a value to aspire to something good. But you have perfectly put a face on, Steve, when that is taken away and the market is not ultimately aspiring to something good. But ultimately it is a chaotic free for all and everybody sooner or later loses in that in the end.

[A]

I just went back and I just found it prior to Todd's last breath there in our text thread responding to something that you sent us, Steve. And I said, I'm trying to see if Kalshi. This was on December 28th of last year. I'm trying to see if Kalshee or Polymarket has odds for when Carlson will declare it's unchristian to not convert to Islam. That's kind of the act that he's been pursuing, isn't it? Yes. You're still claiming the moniker of Christianity, but at every opportunity you get. Isn't it interesting you tend to see Carlson, Carlson trying to shape that around a different audience than an actual orthodox, small o Orthodox Christian audience. Isn't that interesting? You know what would also be interesting? You mentioned the new. Was it technically called an imprint, whatever publishing house, what have you?

[B]

Yep.

[A]

It would be interesting if maybe out of that publishing house was published a book that is like Islamo neutral being like, yeah, we've got a lot of differences with Muslims theology culturally wise, but here's the way that Muslims enrich America and can Enrich Christian communities? Something along those lines? I have no idea.

[B]

You're thinking that book's gonna do better than 7,000th place on Amazon? Is that what you're thinking?

[A]

I'll just be honest with you.

[B]

Because look at their audiences.

[A]

I'll be honest with you, Steve. I'm not trying to pull your pants down. I'm not trying to disrespect you. You've got a million things going on right now. I thought what you were saying about the hypothetical book that you laid out, maybe you're misreading something. Maybe something is wrong on Amazon. Maybe something is amiss. I was just fact checking you in real time. What you characterized is 100% true. How do you even explain. How does that happen? How does that happen? A show that YouTube flips the proverbial bird at every single day?

[B]

We get 3,500 views a day on YouTube. That's it.

[A]

Oh, you're being generous. Barely that YouTube flips us the proverbial bird every single day. And yet this hypothetical, again, hypothetical book that you're talking about is 6,000 spots on Amazon, then out for a week, 6,000 spots below something that are you paying a big marketing company to market.

[B]

Your marketing company is just texting friends of mine and asking for their help.

[A]

It's all in house. All in house. There's something that explains that. There's something that explains that. It's either all bots or all foreigners. The audience that you're talking about. And I think as time goes on, we'll be able to have some delineating information that will enable us to maybe make a definitive, maybe definitive statement on what that audience actually is.

[C]

Let's, as long as we're here, let's all remember, as long as.

[B]

Well, this is going to transition to where I want to go next. So finish your.

[C]

I just want to say if we're genuinely frustrated, why there's just too much money is a bad excuse in this circumstance. It's a bad excuse in every circumstance. But people use it all the time. Is why things just have to be the way they are. There's money there for them to get. Who's going to begrudge them that? I think we have to ask better questions than that.

[B]

Well, and that's what Aaron's doing. Aaron, you're pointing out if your audience is the halal right and selling them a book. But again, we're just hypothetically speaking, you're coming out with a book about how to become a Christian and you're selling that to the Halal. Right.

[A]

Probably not going to sell very well. Yeah, it might end up with nine reviews after one week. Hypothetically speaking.

[B]

Hypothetically speaking. Which brings me to this dinner I had last night here in D.C. capitol Hill Club. I'd not been there since 2018 and I'm not going to reveal at all who I was with. I'm not even going to hint. Let's just say that there was enough influence at this table that it's prompted me to address something here on the show. I'm a J.D. vance guy, but I've let that be known. I think he's our best chance to hold on to the next generation of young men. I think he's the best communicator that we have had on the right. In my era of voting when it comes to communicating on our issues, Tucker's going to be way more of a problem for him than I thought. And I thought that a lot of it and this came up organically in the conversation. Inevitably everybody finds out I'm from Iowa. They want to talk presidential politics every single time. And again, if I were not sitting at a table with people of influence or that no influencers, I would not be saying this today. But I really thought that what Trump has done in essentially excommunicating Tucker maybe has settled the matter. No. And it's not really even the anti Israel stuff. I mean, we're having a big debate about this within the church theologically right now. It's the conversation we just had that's the issue. There is real belief that Tucker Carlson, within conservative evangelical circles, there's real belief that Tucker Carlson is essentially a double agent, that, that he's a Tokyo Rose for Muslim interests. And even before we have some kind of eschatological convert and you can, here's what, let me also say this. I don't like roll and hang out with the John Hagee crowd. I've never even met John Hagee. Okay? So I was not at a table with a bunch of 75 year old Christian Zionist boomers last night who only watch Fox News. This is the people I roll with. I'm hanging out here with the people that are our people that are here. And no, Chip Roy was not among them. In fact, I was hoping to have dinner with Chip last night. Instead, he's still back in Texas campaigning for ag he's not even here in D.C. right now. So he wasn't there. All right. And I, I was surprised at how much of it, how much damage within the, particularly within this group within this group. Again, if I was sitting around with a bunch of 72 year olds who grew up reading the late great Planet Earth and watching John Hagee, I would not be surprised. But the fact that it filtered down into my circle of people, People. I know that when we're being brutally honest with each other and just sitting around and nobody's rolling tape or running a camera, we now can really vent our spleens. This is going. And not having Charlie here will be an issue for him. Because Charlie, I mean, J.D. what, he did become a Catholic just like five years ago. Just a few years ago, right? Todd, He's a recent convert, right?

[C]

Relatively recent, yeah.

[B]

Yeah. So already he's going to be kind of new at this second. We're not his native tribe. You know, Charlie would have been one heck of a tour spirit guide to walk you through all of that, but sadly, tragically, he's not with us to do that anymore. This is way more of an issue than I thought. And I actually thought Tucker becoming more radicalized and more Arab and more Muslim would actually make it easier for JD To. Because now he's just made it way obvious who he really is or what he's become. The opposite, I think, now is true. I think it's actually made it tougher. And in states like Iowa and South Carolina, where evangelicals dominate, I do think the vice President and his team for 2028 are going to be more prepared for this than I thought, more prepared to answer questions about this than I thought. And I would not be doing my job if I didn't share that. And again, I was certainly the most pro JD Person at this table last night. I'll say that. You guys have any quick thoughts on that conversation?

[C]

Is the implication because Tucker isn't just a wingnut, but perhaps a double agent?

[B]

Yes.

[C]

And he had a lot to do with recruiting J.D. vance into the vice presidency seat. That somehow J.D. vance is not only tainted by implication, but involved on some level. Is that what we're saying?

[B]

Pretty much, yeah. Yeah. Blew my mind. Yeah. I mean, Tucker's. Tucker has ruined his reputation within evangelicalism. With the exception of one particular sect of people, his name is Mud. Yes, mud.

[C]

A, if anybody's capable of verbalizing an argument that counters that, it's J.D. vance. And secondly, if that gets outside of rooms like that and is bespoken, better have the goods. So, I mean, it is fascinating.

[B]

I think he's going to have to address it head on as a presidential candidate, regardless of what the relationship between Trump and Tucker is he as an individual is going to have to address this. And I wouldn't have said that even, even a week ago, frankly.

[A]

Yeah. To me, the implication there is fairly hard to believe. But I have seen this just say, what's a less strong word for implied on social media several times suspected because of the instrumental role that Tucker Carlson played. But remember, a lot of things have changed in two years. Okay, that was two years ago. A lot of things have changed. There were maybe some suspicions about Tucker Carlson. Hey, what's he going to do now that he's on his own? But remember, two years ago, what were we doing? Or maybe that was three years ago now. Three years ago, he was hosting the Family Leadership Summit here in Des Moines.

[B]

Yep.

[A]

So there were serious, you know, he'd

[B]

get booed off the stage if he showed up at the Leadership Summit this July. Booed right off the stage from the same crowd that applauded him.

[A]

I think if you are suspecting this, implicating this, like Todd said, you better have the goods for this because you need to give at least some benefit of the doubt, some grace to Vance, that maybe he's like, this is not the same Tucker Carlson that I knew three years ago.

[B]

Yep. But it's politics. Nuance and grace are in short supply, gentlemen. But he's going to have to address it. I mean, what Tucker has done to himself and the way he's targeted Christian evangelicals and we're still the dominant Republican primary voter base in this country, that goes down a lot further than even I feared that it did. And I say that as a JD 2028 guy, which is exactly why I'm saying it. So be prepared to address it. Hour two is next. All right, back here with hour two, live and on demand on Blaze tv, radio and podcast. Steve Dase, here I AM in Washington, D.C. heading back home tomorrow. You'll have a special Evergreen edition tomorrow, though, a conversation you don't want to miss with the always fiery Seth Gruber. I'm going to be speaking at his the Last Stand event coming up at Brave Church in Denver the first weekend in June. So don't miss that. And you don't want to miss what Seth has to say when he joins us on tomorrow's show. And then I'll be back there in Des Moines on Friday for your typical DACE group. And that's where Todd and Aaron are, back there in our awesome studios there in Des Moines. And you are wherever you are. And you can let us know where that is by emailing us stevedevedace.com D E A C E like us on Facebook, Me we and Gab. Follow me Eve Dashew on x Instagram and TikTok. And you can also subscribe to our YouTube channel @dayshow on YouTube. And then finally, if you wouldn't mind, please hit us up if you're a podcast listener with a five star review as tens of thousands of you have. Thank you for each and every one of those. And then you can also hit subscribe or if you're on Apple itunes, follow to ensure that every time we do a new episode, it will for sure be right there in your podcast feed. And for sure, we want to say thank you to how generous all of you have been with this partnership that we've had ongoing now for a few years with our friends over at Preborn. And this may, of course, is the month of Mother's Day. You might be the reason that someone makes the decision to be a mom rather than a murderer, that a scared young woman considering falling in to a nihilistic abyss instead becomes a confident mama bear instead. You might be the reason, you might have been the one that provided that 28 bucks for that ultrasound that convicted her conscience so she doesn't listen to the dark but steps back into the light. And what we love about Preborn is they don't just say, hey, thanks, Mom. Good luck to you. We'll be praying for you. No, man, they bring the hands and feet of the gospel after that. All right, car seats, diapers, counseling, the practical stuff. Because now we've got to get this new family started off on the right foot. And all of that is free for mom as well, although we all know none of it is free. That's where you and I come in. So you've been coming in strong. Let's keep going. Make your tax deductible donation today to preborn.com Steve. Again, that's preborn.com Steve. All right. Coming up in a few minutes, we'll get to buy, sell or hold. No Daniel Horowitz this week. He had to cancel the last minute he's pressed into daddy youth sports duty. So of course we can respect that here on this show. And he will not be called a sports idolater by Todd because Todd knows that there's even one person more insufferable than he is. It is Daniel Horowitz. And to Todd, that's a tremendous accomplishment. That's a tremendous compliment that I just gave to Daniel Horowitz.

[C]

In fact, absolutely unquestionable.

[B]

Unquestionably so you guys know what time it is? It's time to count down to Independence. My latest book, not the hypothetical one we were talking about, that's been out since May 12, last hour, but this one is really coming out on Tuesday. Here's a preview.

[A]

Every Fourth of July, we light up the sky. We wave our flags, we celebrate. But if your kids asked you why, could you tell them the real story? It's a story that starts 3,000 years before 1776. A story most people have never heard told this way. A miracle in the desert, A miracle on Christmas night. Commandments carved in stone, a constitution written on paper. What's the connection? This 4th of July, give your family the story they've never been told. The one that explains everything.

[B]

Releasing in six days. My latest book. It's the conclusion of the trilogy of books that we have put together for the last four years now on America's Christian heritage. It started with why Thanksgiving in 2022? And then why Easter in 2024. And now we have why Independence Day in 2026 for our 250th birthday. America is great because God is good. We are the best selling Christian children's book. New release in America, with apologies to Dr. Ben Carson, who's now number two. So you guys have made it. So because we don't have a big marketing budget, I'm not getting interviewed by Tucker Megan, Piers Morgan. In fact, so far I've been interviewed by exactly nobody on this. In fact. All right, so you guys have done great. All right, let's keep it going. Thank you very much and we appreciate you guys for a very successful first week launch week of pre sales. So much so that our publisher at Post Hill is going to join me here in D.C. tonight. All right, Going to make the trip to come in and say hello because he's also pleased with the start that we're on to with this book. You can reserve your copy today when it releases on May 26th today at Amazon.com why Independence Day? America is great because God is good. And that brings us to the countdown we've been doing of Todd Erzin's top 10 moments, counting down to independence. Todd, the floor now. Today is yours.

[C]

Well, King George III officially labeled the colonies to be an open rebellion after the battle known as Bunker Hill, which happened without George Washington at the helm just two days after his appointment, which we mentioned yesterday. The fight was a technical win for the British, but they suffered twice as many casualties as the militiamen, including the loss of nearly 100 officers among the roughly 1,000 dead. Whether in the skirmishes of Lexington and Concord or the pitch battle of Bunker Hill, the colonies had established they were prepared to take the crown to the limit of its resolve. While Patrick Henry said, give me liberty or give me death, another man named Joseph Warren lived that phrase. He was a physician who had risen to be president of the Massachusetts Provincial Congress and Major General of the Massachusetts troops at Bunker Hill, where he determined that he would fight immediately alongside his men. In the past, they drew inspiration from him when they heard him say things like this, quote. Our country is in danger, but not to be despaired of. Our enemies are numerous and powerful, but we have many friends determining to be free. And heaven and earth will aid the resolution. On you depend the fortunes of America. You are to decide the important question on which rest the happiness and liberty of millions yet unborn. Act worthy of yourselves. And he also said this. Stain not the glory of your worthy ancestors, but like them, resolve never to part with your birthright. Be wise in your deliberations and determined in your exertions for the preservation of your liberty. End quote. He was just the sort of man who might one day become president, like many of the other names you know, you now know by heart or see on your money. But his signature never made it to the Declaration of Independence. One year later, Warren was killed at Bunker Hill at the age of 34, leaving behind a wife and four young children. Yet instead of being shattered by his loss, his countrymen were emboldened by his sacrifice. Whether the fight would ultimately be won or lost, cowardice would not be the cause of the colonials downfall. They had their first martyr in the cause for liberty. And he was eulogized with these words which I had never heard before. But there are something else. Quote. Ought we not to listen to the voice of our slaughtered brethren who are now proclaiming aloud to their country, Go tell the king. And tell him from our spirits that you and Britons can be friends no more. Tell him. To you all tyrants are the same. Or if in bonds the never conquer conquered soul can feel a pang more keen than slavery's self. Tis where the chains that crush you into dust are forged by hands from which you hoped for freedom.

[B]

That'll preach right there. And another reminder. We are not what we believe. We are what we do. Well, Steve, you say that worldview is destiny. Yes. Because ultimately what you do is what you believe. What you believe is not what you confess, it's what you do. What you do is what you believe because you Believe what you do. That was excellent, Todd, as always. Don't forget, pre orders underway now at Amazon. America is great because God is good. That's the subtitle of my book, why Independence Day says children are going to learn that America's 250th birthday is an event 3,000 plus years in the making. You can pre order it today on Amazon. All right, let's get to it. It's one of our most popular segments every week. Buy, sell or hold. Of course, Todd and I have yet to see your submissions as selected by Aaron. We're going to react right now in real time with a buy, with a sell, maybe even a hold. If we aren't sure of ourselves and we're going to completely punk out and emasculate and embarrass ourselves here in public. But if you do so, if you do so, you should be punished severely. Punished severely. And what, since I'm here in D.C. would be a good punishment? Todd, I'm gonna let you pick your punishment. Like when nanny used to say, pick your switch. I'm gonna let you pick your punishment.

[C]

Aaron has one. Go.

[A]

Aaron, I think you have to drink a liter of the Potomac straight. No filter, no cove pure. Filter, Just straight Potomac, no cove pure.

[B]

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[A]

Uncontexted DACE 2 Electric Boogaloo Top 5 people to play Steve in the Steve Day Show Made for TV movie Kevin James, Steven Root, Vincent d', Onofrio, David Anthony Higgins or Marco Rubio?

[B]

Marco Rubio.

[C]

Excellent.

[B]

That meme of Rubio getting all the jobs is.

[C]

Yes, that's it.

[B]

That's Chef's Kiss level stuff. There does seem to be a consensus, right. On Kevin James. I'm a, I'm fascinated by the Vincent d' Onofrio selection just because he's a hella actor, man. Okay. I mean he would absolutely crush it. But there does seem to be a consensus on Kevin James for sure. Around, around those who have, who are, you know, asking this question. People are talking, of course. Yes.

[A]

Isn't he, isn't he getting into more serious acting now? Or maybe he's just trying to get back into acting. Kevin James, didn't he have like a, it wasn't a rom com, it was like a drum, a drama that he was in like some movie that he was in recently. I think it was maybe even one of those independent like wholesome faith based.

[B]

I think it was an angel rom com that he was in around Valentine's Day where he looked at the altar in Italy and then met the love of his life afterwards. Yeah.

[A]

Next up we go to Jeff Gibson who says if Trump does right as a showman, he is the celebration around America250 Independence Day bringing the troops home in time to be part of the events. Plus dramatic drop in gas prices. Republicans may even pick up seats in November.

[B]

Well, go ahead, Todd.

[C]

It's, it takes more than just doing. He has to do everything he can as a showman and then be betting on some pretty good luck at this point. But so I, I will buy that if everything breaks right something you're say is remotely possible.

[B]

I think it's higher than remotely possible. I don't think it's likely, but I think it's higher than remotely possible because if I had to guess, this is exactly what is being planned up the road from where I'm at. All right. So you Know, I'm at the 300 block of Pennsylvania Avenue right now. So if I had to guess the further up the block there at 1600, this is probably what they are thinking now. There's another side to this. I mean, the Iranian regime's gonna have some say.

[C]

Yeah, that's what I'm saying.

[B]

They're gonna have some say in this. They don't get a lot of say, but they get some. And clearly Trump has not gotten the deal out of them to justify the capital being spent politically. Otherwise, he'd have left, he'd be out, and we'd be, you know, hopefully getting back to some normalcy in our fuel economy. So that price point for Trump to feel like his efforts have been justified have not been met. So we've still got this scenario where either the Iranians meet it or we extract it, you know, and that's kind of the holding pattern we've been on for a couple of weeks now. But, but I am confident that what's being articulated here is what's probably being planned and, and believed up the road for sure. In fact, at my dinner last night, this was shared with me. In fact, this something very similar to this post.

[A]

All right, next up, we go to DJ Miller, who says odds have now crossed into 60, 40 territory for the Democrats. And to pull off a flip hat trick for Florida, Iowa and Ohio governor's mansions.

[B]

Oh, I don't think they're that great at all. No, I would absolutely sell.

[A]

I'd say that's like, I'd say it's

[B]

60, 40 for Iowa, but no, three of those. 50. 50 for the other two. All three of those. Especially Florida. Especially Florida.

[A]

All three of those. That's like. All three. That's what we're talking about. Not just some of the three or one of the three. All three. That's like 5 to 10% chance.

[B]

I would say 100% agree with that. 5, 10%. Yes.

[C]

Then we're. We're agreed. Sell.

[A]

John Bellic is next on the conservative movement and those who have shown us who they really are since Trump's arrival. Jonah Goldberg is the most disappointing. Phil Vischer isn't even a close second. I just found this fascinating because it was kind of some random strays here.

[C]

Yeah, I don't, I don't think Joel Goldberg is the most disappointing. I think he's one of, perhaps one of the more predictable ones, actually. So, yeah, I'm selling. I have way more disappointment over a lot of other people than Jonah Goldberg.

[A]

David French.

[B]

I, you know, I Think who you're the most disappointed by is entirely subjective. And so if John is more disappointed by Jonah Goldberg, totally fine with that. So if it's from John's perspective, then he's entitled to that opinion. I don't think it's an outrageous one, but if it's based on my perspective, it's not even close. I mean, the veggietales are evangelical children's royalty. I mean, think Captain Kangaroo Romper Room. That level of market dominance within a children's subculture. And so many of us who have either grown up evangelical like Aaron has in this era, or raised evangelical children like I have to watch one of the architects of all of that incredible content succumb to the darkness. I. Yeah, that was a. That was you broke me moment for me. So if it's. If it's John's opinion, buy. If it's my opinion, sell.

[A]

All right, we have an involuntary submission from Dacian memes for pumpkin spiced queens shared by Jonathan. Quote of the year. Buy. Seller. Hold quote. If I can't hold it, I'm just going to pee.

[C]

That got Steve. That got on air.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

How did that get on the air yesterday, by the way?

[A]

So here's the thing I was asking you. Hey, you ready to go? So here's. Here's a little secret. You had a plane to catch, so

[B]

we had to record the second hour.

[A]

We had to tape the second hour of the show at 10am Central Time, which is an hour before we went live for the first hour. And so that's a pretty tight window. And I've got to process those things as well and get them up before we even start the live show because I've got stuff to take care of during the live show. And I hit the record button for the second segment, and I didn't have your channel muted. And I'm like, I don't have time to fix this. We don't have time to stop and go back and make sure. So I figured. I figured people would get a kick out of it anyway. That's why I justified leaving it in.

[B]

But sorry, Steve, I don't know that it's the quota of the year. Oh, it's the quote of the year. It's me. So I'll buy. I love me some me. I'll buy it, Todd.

[C]

Well, then I'm going in the. I'm. I'm selling. Let's not speak this into existence any longer.

[A]

Next we go to James Benoit, who says Michigan and Utah will play each other in the first round of the college football playoffs in an epic showdown.

[C]

That's just, that's just quality trolling there.

[B]

So that is quality trolling there. That'd be a tremendous matchup, actually. So I could see it happening. I could. I think both teams probably have about the equal chance somewhere in their 30 to 40% range of getting into the playoff. I could see that happening. So, yeah, I'll, I'll buy that. That would be quite an event. Yeah, I think that'd be. I mean, the whole thing with Kyle Whittingham in Utah is amazing. I mean, they wanted him to, they were going to let him stay on, but they wanted him to may have him square all their management, his management recruiting decisions past the athletic director. So essentially kind of like a kept man, which they knew he would never do to kind of get him to walk away on his own. I mean, the whole thing is kind of amazing, frankly. It's the kind of story that if we didn't have all the meta stuff happening right up here with the sport, would be completely consuming most of your off season fodder. The kind of story that when we were growing up did consume off season fodder. But nowadays it's just kind of a postscript as we're all discussing up here, you know, what's going on. But it's, it's, it's, it's really quite the story.

[C]

Oh, man. Did everybody just enjoy Steve Dase, the Michigan fan right there. Talk about the weird stuff going on at Utah after the last couple of years at Michigan. Yeah, I enjoyed it immensely. Good grief. Yeah, things were a little weird over there at Utah.

[B]

Okay, if I can't hold it, I'm just going to pee.

[C]

Yes, that's. Yes.

[A]

Trumpet Tiger has this. With the Massey defeat in Kentucky, his supporters will actively support the Democratic candidate not just in the 4th congressional district, but everywhere across the country. We will see. The vast majority of these people were never principled about conservatism, but rather trying to attack Trump through Massie.

[C]

I, I will buy that this is possible and this is. Well, and it cuts, it cuts always in both ways. People are. Steve's point about making things personal. It's not just a candidate thing. It's everybody who lets Trump bust their brains with their alligator logos. This happens everywhere. Listen, I, I think one of the reasons why they're. It not the only reason. I have to pull a Steve here and make sure that it's not. I'm not saying it's the only reason, but I do think one of the reasons that there wasn't a red wave is that Trump, there is no way Trump supporters were going to let the Republican Party move on without him. And so they stayed home and did not vote in a lot of cases. And because everybody wants what they want these days, their guy, their tribe, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera. So this is the other side of that. I can absolutely see it happening. How many will it be a defining reason? I don't know, but I think this is a reasonable assertion that this is how people will behave if we're.

[B]

This, I think, plays right into last hour's conversation. These people are real, but the place is not real. Right, Meaning that you, you operate under the assumption that because you see a concentration of this online, that there is a concentration of this when nothing could be further from the truth. I mean, let's say even 20% of our base, hardcore anti Zionist, borderline anti Semitic, if not all the way on some spectrum of anti Zionist to anti semi. It's not 20%, by the way, but let's just say that it is. All right? I mean, 20% of the 77 million people that voted for Trump is. What is that? 10% would be 7 million, right? So you're talking roughly 10 million people. Yeah, you bet when you're online that, that, that would make you think you're surrounded by this. But if you spread it out over 50 states and then take out how many of them are foreigners, how many of them are just groiper kids in the mom's basement who aren't leaving anyway because the code red's chill, Right? So they're, they're just online poop posting for giggles, you know, and mammary glands take that percentage out. Then you go from, you know, it's 10 million, but it's spread out over 50 states. I don't know, are we down to 5 or 6 million now? And when you spread that out nationally in a country of our size, that's Jack fricking squat online might seem like a ton, okay? Particularly on an app like x where only 20% of Americans are active, maybe it's 25. I think it's 25 now. Was 20, but Elon's grown it. So if you're following online, this submission will be undoubtedly true. If you're following what will happen in actual results in the real world, it's undoubtedly not. So one scenario is a buy and one scenario is a sell.

[A]

All right, next up, we go to C. Smith, who has this. There will be four candidates for the GOP in 2028 for President J.D. vance, Marco Rubio, Ron DeSantis and Nikki Haley. Vance and DeSantis will split the conservative Republican vote. Rubio and Haley will split the moderate vote. Haley will get the women vote as well and win.

[C]

I'm gonna cut myself.

[B]

No chance.

[C]

I'm absolutely gonna cut myself.

[B]

I'll be the Republican nominee before Nikki Haley will be. And I'm dead serious about that.

[C]

Can we please have a moratorium on this until after the midterm?

[B]

She won't even run. And I. And I don't believe Rubio will run without some preemptive assurance from Trump that he has a real, at least a real shot at his endorsement, if not his upfront endorsement. Rubio is still relatively young politically. He could be a Vance running mate. Donald Trump. Let's just. And this is, by the way, the conversation that we had at our dinner table last night. And I was surprised. I was really the only real pro Vance person at this table. Given who all was at this table. I was very surprised. And it was for most of the people there, the Tucker stuff and the anti Western stuff and the Muslim stuff that Tucker is now spewing. But we all did agree on this. Trump is gonna pick the next nominee. Whoever Trump endorses is gonna be the nominee, period. And Nikki Haley's not gonna run.

[C]

So I'm drinking Potomac water right now as we speak. It's way more. It's way more refreshing than that question.

[B]

Nice.

[A]

Darryl. Has this Trump endorsing Paxton is a warning shot at John Thune to get on board with the Save America act and get it passed or he's getting a Trump endorsed primary opponent in 2028.

[B]

Very possible.

[C]

Hope so.

[B]

Yeah, very possible. I think that what Aaron pointed out in your. In his montage today, one of the most. One of the deftest political moves I've seen in my career. Remember that feeling of dread I had that day right after the Texas primary in March? I think he's going to endorse Cornyn Corn had finished a little ahead. It was like a point maybe ahead of Paxton. But there was a third candidate in the race, a conservative Congressman, Wesley Hunt. So he siphoned off enough votes so that Paxton could not win outright. And I thought Trump would close ranks. And I think Paxton thought it too, because Trump also, when he was teasing his endorsement. And I want the person that I don't endorse to drop out of the race so he can unify and move on. So Paxton comes right out before Trump's gonna make his endorsement and says, you know what? I'll drop out. Provided that John Cornyn promises that he'll vote to alter the filibuster so we can pass the SAVE Act. And Republicans pass the SAVE Act, I'll drop out. That's how important that legislation is. That move right there, that was. You know, I've always wanted to be called crafty. That was crafty. That was cunning even. And it's why Ken Paxton is probably gonna be the next United States senator from the state of Texas, because he did it. But I think the next far reaching implication of that move, it could be very well opposed like this. I could see it.

[C]

So by Steve, I'm fascinated to ask, based on everything you just said, and I want your quickest possible reaction because I think it's deeper than that as well. But let's say that doesn't happen. Let's say Cornyn still defies this in Texas with the issues we talk about and does beat Paxton. What are your initial thoughts? What does that mean?

[B]

I mean, I'd be as stunned, Todd, as if monkeys flew out of my butt. I mean, I don't. Of all the L's for a Trump endorsement to take, for it to be that one would be amongst the most. I just said what Paxton did is amongst the deftest political moves I've seen. That would be amongst the most gobsmacked things I've seen in my whole career. That scenario.

[A]

One more quickly before the break. Joel. GJ says the immigration moratorium needs a trad wife exemption. Buy, seller, hold.

[B]

Have you seen those posts where they find like, hot illegal aliens? Like, she's a nine, she can stay. Have you seen that stuff? That's cracked me up. But you know what? Most of your trad wives are probably going to come from like Eastern bloc European countries, so. Okay, I'll buy. Todd, sell. Why are you a sell?

[C]

Yeah, no exceptions.

[B]

No exceptions. I like it. Back with more Buy seller. Hold in a moment. The Steve Day Show. All right, back here on the Steve Day Show. And don't forget about our friends over at Fast Growing Trees. They've got the largest, most trusted online nursery. That's why They've got about 2 million happy customers. Because they also don't just, you know, drop crappy plants off. They. They first of all make sure they get that alive and thrive guarant, all right? So that your plants arrive happy and healthy. But they're the plants that they helped you pick out, all right? They're experts. They help you plan your landscape based on your climate, your property, or what you want the indoors of your house to look like as well. And then they help you to take care of them every step of the way too. Right? That's why They've got those 2 million happy customers and you can add yourself among them. Now they've got all these great deals on spring planting essentials, including half off on select plants. But if you've never gone to fast growing trees before, take an extra 20% off just for, you know, for us sending you there. That's it. Just use the code DACE at checkout. Take an extra 20% off if you're a first time purchaser. @fast growingtrees.com Code DACE for 20% off your first purchase at fast growingtrees.com Use code DACE to save today. 20% on your first purchase. And the offer is valid for a limited time. Terms and conditions may apply. All right, let's get through as many of the buy seller hold submissions as we can. Then Todd and Aaron are going to finish up strong in the overtime for subscribers. Aaron, fire away.

[A]

We'll continue on with TC Turtle, who wants to re up his submission from July of last year. Hunter Biden will be a guest on Tucker Carlson's show Buy, Sell or Hold.

[B]

Well, Candace is Tucker adjacent. We've got to give this guy the dub. Kind of like you did in the montage for my prediction last week. It wasn't precisely right, but it was right in the neighborhood of that NAACP clip. Right? Okay, so you gave me the, you gave me the helmet sticker. Aaron. We're at least Tucker adjacent with Hunter Biden doing an Ebony and Ivory online conjugal visit with Candace Owens this week. Right. I mean, I gotta give the guy. Dude, peace out. Pour one out, dude. You earned it.

[C]

Yep.

[B]

Bye. You called that one pretty close.

[C]

Yes, correct.

[A]

Next up, we go to this tea party. Trucking says this when Todd and Steve whisper, then scream. It's unprofessional and forces the listener to constantly adjust the volume. Buy seller hold. Steve and Todd are unprofessional.

[B]

Well, I don't know if, I mean, I don't know if we are in that instant, but as a general rule, we are. So I will buy this.

[C]

There we go.

[A]

Next we go to Iowa. Man, I'll buy him Elliot Page.

[B]

Me too.

[A]

Ellen Page will play the hunk. I think maybe he means the Hulk. Yes, play the Hulk in the next remake before Steve is asked to speak at cpac.

[C]

Yes.

[B]

I mean, the Elliot Page stuff, man, is Ruthless. I've seen her get just the complete crap just beaten out of her. All forms of humiliation. I mean, it's just brutal. It's absolutely brutal, man. It is the epitome of what the devil hates the most is to be mocked. Holy cow.

[C]

It's all warranted. All warranted. Bye.

[A]

Next is this 60 second man says Massie felt the full force of King Trump for his Epstein and J6 work and not because of his votes. Meanwhile, in spite of her votes against his agenda, Murkowski gets a pass from the wrath of His Royal Highness.

[B]

Well, I think this is a fair take, too, which is why I have the most offensive position again. I. I understand where both people are coming. Both sides are coming from to a degree, for sure. And it's just. It's. It's very hard. You know, I saw Kevin Sorbo posting about this yesterday. I. Com. Or maybe it was two days ago. I completely agree. You know, whatever you think of Thomas Massie, should we go and shouldn't we be going after John Thune just as hard as Massey to get the Save America act passed? Because his job is not to tell us if he has the votes. His job is to get the votes. He's not the majority counter. He's the majority leader, so his job is to lead.

[C]

Right.

[B]

And I do think this is a fair take. And I do think, regardless of what you think of Massie's latest political manifestation, in the last year, he's earned a good amount of the principled accolades that he's received, like from our friend and former colleague Steve Baker, for example, because of his overall body of work prior to this last year or two, has, in my opinion, been overall exemplary. So that's what also made this so tough. In some respects, the devotion that Thomas Massie and Donald Trump have both received is justified, at least somewhat. Whatever you may think of Trump in total, as we've pointed out on our show many times, he is really leading the only organized pushback movement against the spirit of the age in America today. He's leading the only one that is truly punching back. Now, sometimes, man, it feels like we punch ourselves in the face. Not gonna lie. But he's the only one leading a movement that is consistently punching back against the spirit of the age. And Massie has been a man of principle and exemplary public service throughout much of his career. And so both of these men have earned at least some of the devotion that they have received. And Massie's overall career is worthy of your post here, sir. And the criticism I don't deny that. So I'll buy.

[C]

Yeah, I'll buy as well. Everybody is on the hook for adjusting with the times. I mean, Trump is in the montage talking about I win. Well, you know, Trump didn't win during COVID It hurt him. No matter what you think about whether the election was ultimately stolen or not, and he had to become a different kind of candidate in some respects to win the second time. This, this goes for all the voters. This goes for just a reg. A congressman. Whether you're on the local school board, you don't ever get to put it on autopilot. And if you do, even if you do have that legacy of doing a lot of good things, you've opened yourself up for a whooping. So Steve's analysis is dead on. No matter how much good you've done, the next election is the one that matters. And if you just think people are supposed to start building statues of you now, you've lost the script.

[A]

Next we go to chit bat crazy. Who says Bill Maher is the left's version of Steve Dase? Also obligatory Bill speaks at CPAC before Steve does.

[B]

Well, that is, the latter is definitely a buy. That's, you know, you want to talk, you want to go on this, Todd, you seem anxious. Go ahead.

[C]

Well, I definitely agreeing with the last part, as you did. I think Bill Maher. Now I see why you're saying that. I don't think Bill Maher historically, necessarily, but right now, I think that's reasonable enough to say bye. It doesn't have to be a perfect overlap.

[B]

What are the odds that Bill Maher is saying these things to Democrats because he wants them to win, or he is saying things to them because he can keep the position that he has by remaining among them and not becoming one of us.

[C]

He generally seems to be a lot like you in that respect. His own guy. He does not. He's not a joiner. I mean, he. He's doing a version right now. Yeah, I'm. He's still going to vote Democrat, but, like, you know, you say, as you say, I need a speed bump. You know, I don't love everything the Republicans are doing, but look at all the demons over there. I mean, I think he's got his own calculus that's kind of like that. But I don't. I think he's absolutely a lot like you in the sense that, you know, listen, I'll just. You're not. You have your own versions. He's. I'll just go over here and Be cool, groovy guy and get my prostitutes and. And smoke my pot over there. You know, I don't need all of this. Steve, many times you said your own much more PG version of this. If all of this, you know, if I can't be doing this anymore, I'll just go over here with my family and be happy. So, yeah, I think there's. This is reasonable trade.

[A]

Wacky tobacco for pumpkin spice. And there's a lot of.

[C]

Exactly, exactly.

[B]

I remember talking to Charlie after he was on Bill's show. Was it last year? I think it was right after the election. Right after the election. Early 25. He's like, man, that was one of the toughest audiences I had because all he did was just smoke dope the entire time.

[C]

But going back, like, Steve, you've always been. This is the same Steve Bass you've always been. If you go back and follow him, he's had many different iterations of the show on different HBO or comedies. I don't know where it's all been in different names. But this. He's. He's always talked to all kinds of people. He's. Even when he said the craziest things, he still seemed like the guy that afterwards, like, you want to go watch the Mets game or something like that.

[B]

I mean, I love the Comedy Central version of Politically Incorrect, that panel. Panel show. I watch that all the time. I mean, the two political shows I watched the most coming of age politically in the early to mid-90s was Rush and his late night talk show and the panel show, which was the original Politically Incorrect that Bill Maher hosted on Comedy Central. Those are the two shows I watched the most.

[C]

Now, here's one thing. I don't think he'd necessarily admit it, but I think we're getting pretty close to the point where if it came down to Trump versus Kamala again, he might not tell you, but he might vote Trump.

[B]

Oh, in the McLaughlin Group, those are the three I watched the most growing up. Yeah.

[A]

Next we go to David Hoyt, who says the same people telling Trump that millions will die if Iran gets a nuclear weapon are the same people that told him millions will die. He didn't shut down the country in 2020.

[B]

I'm gonna sell. But I don't blame anybody for having this take at all. Our intelligence community does not deserve any of your benefit of the doubt. So why am I going to sell? Because Iran has already a record of kidnapping and murdering Americans. We have a preexisting record of this occurring. These events did Occur. These people were taken hostage. They were murdered. It has happened. So it's not the same thing, but I don't blame people at all, particularly now that we're just in this stall pattern. You know, it's one thing when we're over there and we're bombing them to smithereens. It's another thing. We're just. We're just over there. Okay, well, now. Now I. Now I can't get on my phone. I can't get on my phone and watch great highlights. All right. Of Iranian regime destruction. We're not doing that anymore. There's no more epic fury. And I'm paying $5 a gallon in gas. So now I'm getting Dutch door here. Screwed on the way in, screwed on the way out. I'm not even getting entertained. We're not even blowing up and killing our enemies. But you're killing my budget. Right. So given that reality and how much our intelligence community has deservedly lost the trust of any American with a double digit iq, I don't blame anybody for this take at all. I really don't. This is not me trying to have it both ways. I understand why you think this way. I just don't agree. Because there's a preexisting condition here before the current political dynamic, and it is the demoniacs in Tehran. And they have killed our countrymen. So I'll sell, but I. But I feel you at the same time.

[C]

I feel you a bit too, but I'm selling because this isn't apples. Apples. This isn't just an intelligence community thing with COVID in 2020. This has to do with Big Pharma, magical power of vaccines, you know, out of control expert class. Karen in the cult that, that was. That was way, way more of a psyop than whatever's going on here, whether you like it or not.

[A]

Jennifer Harris says Steve should send a copy of why Independence Day to Alexandria Ocasio Cortez and Katie Turr.

[B]

You know, well, we had like a sec. You guys remember we had a second wave of huge sales for Fauci and Bard.

[C]

Yeah. And people did that for us.

[B]

We urged people to send a copy to Anthony Fauci at nih. Remember that?

[C]

Yes.

[B]

Maybe that's a publicity thing. We ought to try send a copy of why Independence Day to Katie Tur and to Ocasio Cortez. What do you think?

[C]

I'm in. Absolutely.

[B]

Yeah, we might have to. We might. That's. That's a pretty good idea. I mean, I'll buy. We May have to look at that. You know, that's not a bad idea. Yes. Gift AOC with a copy of Yid.

[C]

Well, like, like you said, your publisher is there with you.

[B]

There you go. Yeah.

[A]

Next we go back to Iowa, man. Ellen Page will play Rambo in the next remake before Steve is asked to speak at cpac.

[B]

Ellen Page stuff, man.

[A]

You probably can't see any of this, can you, Steve?

[B]

I've actually got our Twitter feed up on my. So I'm in a new studio, guys that are watching again behind the scenes and so I can't. The picture is very small. I'm looking back into. But I've got about a 40 second delay watching our X live feed on my laptop. So I'm looking at it right now and oh my. Oh my God, I'm gonna buy. But the Ellen Page stuff is getting so brutal. I'm almost starting to feel some sympathy. Almost. It's just like, wow, this might be the most brutalized I've ever seen. A single figure with just memes and trolls like this and gifs. I mean this has got to be up there as an Alzheimer has to be.

[C]

I just. I hope this is so contagious. My prediction that the bottoms out. Not only this movie. I just hope Hollywood in general. I hope the movie theaters are just emptied out all this. That would be outstanding.

[A]

Next we go to Fred, who has this circumcision is Steve's oratory kryptonite.

[C]

That's her.

[B]

The problem is now I had to catch myself. What am I going to say? Because any. All kinds of things could be unintentional jokes. All right. You know, that are not. That are not intentional. I got a heads up about this story about one of our governor candidates in Iowa.

[C]

I see what you did there, Steve,

[B]

but you don't see. And a person said, hey, they're coming out with a story tomorrow that one of the Zach Lane, one of your governor candidates, invested in a company that after he divested from it, became a. Essentially a sex toy instead. Went from Men's Health to sex toys. Okay. And wanted to kind of gauge what my reaction would be, what I thought the media would do. And I said, well, I don't know. I mean, our primary base hates our local paper. I have no idea how much that story will penetrate. I really don't. And there was a long pause at the other end of the phone. I'm like, what? And then I realized what I had said completely unintentionally, okay, this is the world in which we live. Right now. It is what it is, you know?

[A]

So I kind of feel like you're trying to circumnavigate the prompt here. This is your.

[B]

I am.

[C]

Yeah,

[B]

I am. I got several sympathetic notes from People could see that. They saw me back on my heels for, like, the first time ever on the circumcision. Circumcision question. Yes. Yeah. I wasn't ready for it. You got me. You did. Had to just kind of take that one.

[A]

Take the L. All right, last one before you get out of here. Steve, Iowa, man. Once again, Ellen Page will play Malcolm X in the next remake before Steve is asked to speak at cpac.

[C]

Burn Hollywood. Burn

[B]

the Malcolm X.

[C]

It's great. It's great.

[B]

Oh, my gosh. That's incredible. And white at the same time. Incredible. All right, I do have to get out of here. The meetings that I came all the way out here for are now going to consume the rest of my day. So Todd and Aaron, they're going to take you the rest of the way in the overtime for BlazeTV subscribers, I'm sure there's plenty of more Ellen Page gifts and memes for them to comment [e-mail] Stace Gentlemen, I'll catch you later.

[C]

You bet.

[A]

Sounds good.

[C]

Go hard.

[B]

Romans 8, 28.

[C]

Sam.