Vance Gives a Messaging MASTER CLASS | Guest: Robert Orlando | 6/17/26

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Steve Deace Show Summary

Episode Title: Vance Gives a Messaging MASTER CLASS
Date: June 17, 2026
Host: Steve Dace (with Todd Erzin, Aaron McIntyre)
Guest: Robert Orlando
Podcast Network: Blaze Podcast Network

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Episode Overview

This episode offers a lively and in-depth examination of Vice President J.D. Vance's communications blitz, featuring his recent media tour, the political landscape post-Iran memorandum, and an engaging interview with filmmaker and author Robert Orlando about his new book, Karl Marx: The Divine Tragedy. The hosts analyze Vance's unique rhetorical skills and reflect on the power of authenticity in modern conservative leadership, then pivot to a philosophical discussion about Marx's legacy and its impact on current culture.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. J.D. Vance’s Media Blitz: Lessons in Messaging

• Vance's 24-hour media tour: Vance appeared across a diverse range of platforms, from left-leaning The View to conservative Fox News shows and even highly critical interviewers like Megyn Kelly.
• Commanding Presence & Consistent Messaging: Throughout, Vance remained composed, unrehearsed, and effective, never appearing “plastic or wooden.”
• Disarming Adversaries: On The View, Vance countered immigration critiques by reframing border issues as a humanitarian crisis driven by cartel trafficking.
  • Quote (J.D. Vance, 01:24): “Unless you enforce the border, you invite that kind of conduct... it’s inhumane to allow cartels to sex traffic people across our border.”
• Media Review: The hosts are unified in praising Vance as unmatched in contemporary American politics for his authentic, adaptable style.
  • Quote (Steve Dace, 13:13): “I have never seen a 24-hour cycle of messaging like this in my lifetime. He went to every major sector of media in this country and... maintained his message and composure.”

Notable Segment

• Disarming Whoopi Goldberg: Vance directly questions unspecified allegations to redirect the conversation (02:19).
  • Quote (J.D. Vance, 02:19): “What exactly are you talking about, Whoopi?... I want to know what your actual point is.”

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2. The Iran Memorandum and Trump’s Deal-Making Style

• Uncertainty Over Iran Deal: The memorandum with Iran remains unpublished. Vance asserts that there is no direct transfer of US dollars, and any economic relief would be conditional and managed through allies, not directly by the US (00:53).
• Political Maneuvering: Trump threatens to withhold Senate confirmations to force passage of his Save America Act and leverage FISA authority renewal (02:55).
  • Quote (Steve Dace, 05:03): “That was a tour de force from the vice president... How about Trump now has to leverage the Republican Senate? We’ve been calling for him to do this for like a year.”

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3. The Role of Authenticity and Rhetorical Prowess in Conservative Politics

• Contrast With Past Politicians: Vance is praised for being “real”—a sharp departure from the “robotic” or inauthentic style of establishment GOP senators.
  • Quote (Todd Erzin, 13:32): “He has no political equal ... that can legitimately and authentically walk into any room. That is a very, very rare gift.”
• Masculinity & 'Meekness': The hosts introduce the concept of 'meekness' as “power under control” and claim Vance exemplifies this, especially with hostile media.
  • Quote (Steve Dace, 24:42): “This is real masculinity. This is meekness. This is power under control.”

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4. Philosophical Deep Dive: Robert Orlando on Karl Marx

[33:38]–[49:13]

• Framing Marx’s Influence: Orlando argues that if you do not actively cultivate a worldview, “you are thinking Marx’s thoughts” by passive cultural absorption (34:18).
• Marx’s Background & Materialism: Discussion of Marx's rabbinical heritage, affluent upbringing, and intellectual journey. His materialist philosophy is positioned as inherently antagonistic to Christian and classical Western thought.
  • Quote (Robert Orlando, 34:18): “If you do not have your own worldview, you are thinking Marx's thoughts.”
• Legacy and Eschatology: Orlando positions Marx as an “eschatological thinker” giving rise to generations of ideology-driven mass movements and revolution, but with fundamentally flawed anthropology.
• Motivation for the Book: Orlando traces the project’s origin to the ideological unrest in the US during COVID—the prophetic, almost spiritual longevity of Marxist thought, and its current manifestations in social unrest and identity politics.
• Hosts Reflect: Dace connects Marx’s anthropological error to the present cultural malaise, underscoring the importance of understanding foundational worldviews.

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5. News Briefs and Montaged Commentary

[04:44]–[05:03]

• Brief updates on Antifa indictments, SPLC scandal, MLB’s religious discrimination warning, and World Cup predictions by NYC Democrats.
• Comment on public polling revealing narrowing gaps between parties and potential instability for establishment figures.

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6. Broader Cultural Critique and The Call for Authentic Leadership

• The Need for Role Models: Dace recounts a personal anecdote about Charlie (presumably Charlie Kirk) and the torch of influence being passed to Vance for this generation.
  • Quote (Steve Dace, 25:51): “With Charlie gone, he was our best chance to reach the next generation of young men before they go off into a nihilistic abyss.”

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7. Predictions and Buyer-Seller-Hold Segment

[52:32]–[58:32]

• Dace predicts the Iran deal will involve allowing Iran to profit from oil sales under Gulf States’ supervision, not direct US cash, shifting more responsibility onto regional actors.

• "Buy, Sell, or Hold" Segment: Hosts riff on a mix of current affairs, cultural trends, tongue-in-cheek hypotheticals (e.g., politicians fighting in the UFC octagon), and audience questions, maintaining the show’s trademark snark and energetic banter.

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Notable Quotes & Timestamps

• J.D. Vance on Iran Deal (00:53):
  • "The agreement says they are not getting a single dime of American money... if the Iranians behave... we would invite other countries, not us, to invest in their country."
• Steve Dace on Vance’s Media Prowess (13:13):
  • "He maintained his message and composure and didn't sound plastic or wooden... that's freaking incredible."
• Todd Erzin on Authenticity (13:32):
  • "He has no political equal... that can go into any room. That is a very, very rare gift."
• Steve Dace on 'Meekness’ (24:42):
  • "This is real masculinity. This is meekness. This is power under control."
• Robert Orlando on Cultural Marxism (34:18):
  • "If you do not have your own worldview, you are thinking Marx's thoughts."
• Steve Dace on the Iran Deal (52:49):
  • “No money will be given to Iran, but provided it behaves... will be permitted to profit off of its own oil sales freely in the marketplace again.”
• Aaron McIntyre on Hollywood’s Current Crisis (85:31):
  • “It’s going to take a degree of revival to turn this around… If we, you know, it’s going to take a degree of revival to turn this around.”

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Highlights & Memorable Moments

• Vance Flipping the Script: Vance’s deft handling of a hostile panel on The View stands out as a demonstration in persuasive reframing—setting the rhetorical terms on the fly (01:24–02:19).
• Multi-Front Media Tour: Dace regards Vance’s ability to maintain composure and consistency across hostile and friendly outlets as “unprecedented.”
• Robert Orlando Interview: A compelling blend of political philosophy and storytelling as Orlando likens the endurance and spread of Marx’s ideas to a “spirit” possessing generations (46:05).
• Authenticity vs. Robot Politicians: Extended riff on why authenticity—rather than polished, canned answers—now dominates the right-wing political zeitgeist (19:21–19:40).
• Raucous “Buy, Sell, or Hold”: Delivers both comic relief and sharp critique on conservative gripes and culture, with some hard-edged jokes and self-deprecating humor.

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Conclusion

This episode is a robust, high-energy exploration of how messaging, authenticity, and worldview shape conservative politics and culture today. J.D. Vance’s media mastery is uplifted as a paradigm shift for the right, while the philosophical legacy of Marx—and its counter—are dissected through history, politics, and faith. Robert Orlando’s segment brings thoughtful nuance, and the hosts’ chemistry ensures the show crackles with wit and conviction: equal parts snark and substance.

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Timestamps for Key Segments

| Timestamp | Segment/Content Description | |-----------|-----------------------------------------------------------------------| | 00:01–02:47 | Vance on Iran, G7, and media tour soundbites | | 03:00–05:03 | News montage: Antifa, SPLC, World Cup tidbits | | 05:03–13:13 | Hosts analyze Vance’s media “tour de force” | | 13:13–24:42 | Discussion about Vance's rhetorical strength, authenticity in politics| | 24:42–29:12 | Personal anecdotes: the need for authentic leaders | | 33:38–49:13 | Robert Orlando interview on Marx’s legacy and new book | | 52:32–58:32 | Dace’s Iran deal prediction and analysis | | 61:10–97:32 | Buyer-Seller-Hold audience Q&A and free-association segment |

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End of Summary

Transcript

[Steve Dace]

It's the Steve Day show. And here's what happened while we were away, brought to you by tour de force vice president J.D. vance appeared on every single show over the past 24 hours. Well, maybe not every single show, but most of them. As he discussed his new book on faith and of course, current events, of which the most pressing topic was, of course, the memorandum of understanding that still has not been seen. Here he is on CBS News. Just this morning, Pakistanis who have been

[J.D. Vance]

helpful in mediating this agreement with the Iranians, they've asked us not to release the full text for a little while, that it'll come out at the latest on Friday. We're actually trying to push them to get it out today because we want to tell the American people what's in this deal. It's fundamentally a good deal for the American people.

[Steve Dace]

On the repeated claims we're giving Iran $300 billion, Vance told Hannity.

[Aaron McIntyre]

We are not giving them an American dollar.

[J.D. Vance]

Number one. True.

[Aaron McIntyre]

And number two, did the US Ever sign off on the Qataris paying them that money?

[J.D. Vance]

No, we've not. The agreement says they are not getting a single dime of American money. That's just not what this, this is what the agreement does say, Sean, is again, if the Iranians behave and if there are sanctions relief and if the Iranians are integrated into the world economy, we would invite other countries, not us, but other countries to invest in their country.

[Steve Dace]

Perhaps the appearance garnering the most reaction is Vance's trip to the set of the View where he flipped the script on a question about immigration and inhumanity.

[J.D. Vance]

You talk about the children, here's what I'd say. Do we know that during the last administration we had tens of thousands of children who were sex trafficked by the cartels who were brought into our country in profoundly dangerous and predatory conditions?

[Todd Erzin]

Talk about this administration.

[J.D. Vance]

But here's the point. Unless you enforce the border, you invite that kind of conduct, you think that our immigration policies are inhumane based on the reporting of one person with a political bias. What I'm telling you is that it's inhumane to allow cartels to sex traffic people across our border.

[Steve Dace]

Vance undid Whoopi Goldberg with one simple question.

[J.D. Vance]

See, you know, things.

[Aaron McIntyre]

The Emmett Till stuff coming down or them doing all kinds of removal of information of black heroes.

[Robert Orlando]

How do you. How do you.

[Aaron McIntyre]

How does that sit with you?

[J.D. Vance]

Well, what, what do you. What exactly are you talking about, Whoopi? Because you just talking about. No, no, I want to know what she's. You don't know what I'm talking to your actual point.

[Aaron McIntyre]

So in, in a lot of the

[Robert Orlando]

museums.

[Todd Erzin]

Museums.

[Steve Dace]

Okay, so that's a hodgepodge of Vance's messaging prowess over the past 24 hours. But the G7 this morning seemed to hedge on the, we think forthcoming memorandum of understanding with Iran.

[J.D. Vance]

It's not final.

[Robert Orlando]

It's a memorandum of understanding and if

[Aaron McIntyre]

I don't like it, we'll go back

[Robert Orlando]

to shooting at them, dropping bombs on

[Steve Dace]

their head on Truth Social in the middle of the night, President Trump said he's tying the renewal of FISA surveillance authority to passage of the Save America Act. Trump claims Republicans were outmaneuvered after agreeing to remove Acting Director of National Intelligence William Pulte as part of a FISA deal, only for Democrats to then back out of their end of the bargain. He's also halting the Senate confirmation somehow of Jay Clayton as his DNI until his U.S. attorney nominee, Jamie McDonald clears the Senate. In the meantime, Pulte will remain as the acting dni. A poll a lot of people are talking about is this economist YouGov poll that came out this week showing Democrats holding only a two point lead on the generic congressional ballot, 46 to 44%. Three other instances of this poll dating back to February shows Democrat support languishing. The U.S. attorney's office for the District of Minnesota on Tuesday announced that 15 Antifa members have been indicted for their alleged roles in conspiring to hinder federal immigration enforcement operations. And in Minneapolis earlier this year, the suspects, 12 of whom are in custody, are all charged with conspiracy to impede or injure a federal officer, according to a 94 page criminal complaint. And some are being charged with further crimes. A new superseding indictment in the Southern Poverty Law Center DOJ investigation alleges one of the female poobahs with the SPLC was hitting it with a neo Nazi skinhead funneling allegedly organization money to him in Chicago. That burning cross in a city park you may have seen a couple of weeks ago was constructed and lit by a homosexual Asian socialist. Senator Josh Hawley has now sent a letter to Major League Baseball warning them they're toeing the line of religious discrimination after they chastise those San Francisco Giants pitchers for not going along with Pride night apparel. And finally, on the topic of not clearing the lowest of low bars, here are a couple of Democrat politicians from New York City.

[Aaron McIntyre]

World cup is here, the first match this week in a MetLife Stadium taking place in New Jersey, even though some people say it is technically New York but what do you think will win it all?

[Steve Dace]

Who are you rooting for?

[Robert Orlando]

I like Mexico.

[Todd Erzin]

Mexico.

[Aaron McIntyre]

There you go for Senegal.

[Steve Dace]

And that's what happened while we were away.

[Aaron McIntyre]

We know Aaron is right. That was a tour de force from the vice president yesterday. Trump talking about, hey, we'll just go back to shooting Iran. Did you notice who was sitting next to him there? Because that's, that's a noteworthy show of strength. Speaking of strength, how about Trump now has to leverage the Republican Senate? We've been calling for him to do this for like a year, but it's still not excellent that this is a required move. Josh Hawley go off king and Karl Marx is one of the tragic figures that won the 20th century. Got to make sure he doesn't win the 21st. All that and more coming your way today on the Steve Day Show. And greetings. Happy Wednesday. Welcome to the Steve Dase show, live and on demand. I'm Steve Dace alongside Todd erzin and Aaron McIntyre were brought to you by our friends over at Preborn. And a lot of you know that because you guys have been incredibly generous to this ministry since we started this partnership over the last few years. I'll brag on you again. I had a chance when I was in D.C. last to run into the head man himself over there at Preborn, and he was raving about the generosity of this audience. So let's keep it going, because for as little as 28 bucks, for as little as 28 bucks, you could fund an ultrasound that will save a baby's life today. And they don't stop there, though. That's the real reason why we're aligned with Preborn, because I am the kid born to the single mom who thought about having an abortion. And I'm here to tell you that not everything was peaches and herbs. You know, being a single mom, being a mom at 15, that was not an easy life. So this is just the first step on the journey. And they want to make sure this new family now get started off on the right foot. And they do that by being with them for up to two years with practical needs like car seats and diapers, intimate needs like counseling and more. All of this they offer this new family now because mom chose life, they offer it for free, even though we all know none of it really is. And that's where we come in. So make that tax deductible donation [e-mail] Steve. Again, that's preborn.com Steve. Also, a reminder, America 250 beckons get your America 250 merch right now at the Blaze store that says shop.blazmedia.com shop.blazemedia.com with the code Steve10. You'll get 10% off your America 250 merch with the code [e-mail] all right. Coming up on the show today, buy seller hold is coming your way for the full hour. Next hour, no Daniel Horowitz this week. He's got a family commitment, but he will return next week on the show at the bottom of this hour. Karl Marx tragically, was one of the victors of the 20th century. And we have to make sure that mistake is not repeated in the 21st. So we're going to get to that at the bottom of the hour. But let's get to some of the items, gentlemen, that you highlighted, Aaron, in your montage. First and foremost, let me say this, Aaron, you describing with the vice president has pulled off here in the last 24 hours as a tour de force is just absolutely right on the money. And, you know, I want to go back to the 2024 campaign. And let's look at the chain of events here that summer, Right? So June, this month, this month in 2024, we have the earliest general election presidential debate in the history of the country. And this is the debate where Biden just essentially showed off, I'm mentally incompetent, I have dementia. And that began the machinations of would he stay, would he not? Would the Democrats remove him from the ballot? How would that look? Who would replace him? Right. July, the president, then former President Donald Trump gets shot in the face and by barely a centimeter, misses taking one right to the brain and being dead in an instant. A couple weeks later is the Republican convention, which is a fantastic event and that rallies around Trump. He gets a huge boost from that. Democrats respond by removing Biden in time for their convention and nominating Kamala. And they did put off, if you recall, a very good convention on their end as well. And Kamala came out of that convention with all the media honeymoon that I told you at the time she was going to get. She came out of that with a lot of momentum. And we were coming now into, you know, early September, and we were a little bit concerned that maybe we kind of had lost the moment and lost the mo. And, and do you guys remember what took place there in early September that kind of just calmed everybody down and said, hey, we're good, we got this. It was the vice presidential debate with Vance And Tim Walsh and Vance just absolutely dominated that event. Had a commanding presence in that event. And hey, VP debates. The most humiliating VP debate of all time is Dan Quayle versus Lloyd Benson. Herbert, George Herbert Walker Bush went on to a route in that election a month and a half later.

[Robert Orlando]

Right.

[Aaron McIntyre]

So VP debates don't determine really how anybody votes, but our base, we were getting kind of skittish at that moment, and the vice president kind of stepped in and said, hey, you know what, don't worry, we got this. The adults are in charge here. Soon thereafter, the President starts doing all these long form podcast interviews with Andrew Schultz and Theo Vaughan and Joe Rogan and the rest. Now as we. And then everybody remembered, oh yeah, Kamala Harris is a retard. And so the rest, as they say, is history. And we saved the country for another four years. That was kind of the chain of events we can all recall. Right. It feels like that's what yesterday was. Again, there's a lot of consternation. What's in this memo of understanding what's not in it did. Are we buying them off? What's the difference between pay for play, like what Obama did, or a meritocracy where if they behave well, then they can have some of their money back? What's the difference between those things? Why didn't we finish the job? Did we betray our great ally Israel? They feel betrayed. Right. That was, that was a lot of what this was discussed, what this discussion was 24 hours ago and really the first 48 hours since this deal was announced. Right? Yeah. Is that a good description, Aaron, you think?

[Steve Dace]

Yeah.

[Aaron McIntyre]

Doesn't it seem like. And look at who the vice President wouldn't talk to yesterday, Megyn Kelly, who's been, you know, extremely critical of President Trump through the first half of this year to the point that Trump actually put out one of his, you know, truth social missives, blasting her in particular by name. He went on that show, he went on the View, he did all kinds of corporate media went on Gutfeld last night on Fox News. So, so he's done the full gamut here. He's. He's done dissident. Right. With Megyn Kelly, who's kind of off the. Well, not kind of. I mean, she's declared herself like full fledged off the Trump train in the last few months. Right. So she went. He went and did dissident. Right. He went and did hard left. Right. With the Banshees and the harpies on the View.

[Robert Orlando]

Right.

[Aaron McIntyre]

Aaron, you've got a clip of him doing CBS Sunday morning. So he's doing the, or CBS this Morning. So he's doing the corporate media. Right, Right. And then he's on Fox News and he's so last night on Gutfeld and on Hannity as well, because you had that clip too. So he's on what is the dominant media and outlet on the American, on the mainstream American. Right. He did the full gamut there, the full gamut there. And in every single one of these, he was calm, cool, collected, he was in command. It was unrehearsed, it was real. I mean, again, Aaron's description of this as a tour de force, I have never seen a 24 hour cycle of messaging like this. Like in my lifetime, I've never seen anything like this. He went to, he really, he went to every major sector of media in this country and addressed them all and maintained his message and maintained his composure and didn't sound plastic or wooden and didn't sound standoffish or indifferent. I don't say this a lot where politicians are concerned, man, but that's freaking incredible.

[Todd Erzin]

I can't honestly think in my entire lifetime of following politics, he has no political equal I can think of that can legitimately and authentically and effectively go into any room. That is a very, very rare gift

[Steve Dace]

because he has a special gift of I think specifically disarming people while making his case. And similar to what I said, I think it was yesterday or the day before, it was the day before Monday about maybe you're starting to see some hairline fractures you wouldn't otherwise see in the command structure of Iran, the irgc, and I'm not going to get into that again. You want to flip the script on the question of inhumanity and immigration. He did not persuade the entire room. What he did, though, is ask a question, either subtly or overtly, that maybe a lot of the women watching, maybe a lot of the women in that room, maybe not the hosts, but a lot of people asking, hey, maybe there's another way to think about this in the future. That's what I'm calling a hairline crack when it comes to rhetorical prowess. Because you're starting to just did government really say you're starting to do that in a much better context?

[Aaron McIntyre]

And it again kind of shows you the uniqueness of Trump as a figure and the uniquenesses of this era is at the same time now JD's doing his book tour. And hey, when you're launching a book as the vice, when you're launching a book, if you have a significant platform like me or you're the vice president, United States, and you got a way more significant platform. These things are take months to over a year of planning. It has to be written, it's got to be edited, it's got to be distributed, it's got to be printed. So this isn't something you just whip together and get out there. Okay? So this thing has been plotted probably since about this time last year at a minimum, I would say, which means the idea of being in the 90 in 100 days war with Iran. None of this was on, none of this was on the docket when this was planned. It just so happens that this is happening right when his book is being released. And so he has this publicity tour already set out for the book to tell his own faith journey story. But now the White House is saying, you know what, now you're going to go out there and use these platforms as well to sell this deal to the American people. That is not easy to do. He pulled that off. What I find interesting though is if you juxtapose that, who Trump is sitting next to in that clip that Aaron showed is General El Sisi from Egypt. So Trump is sitting next to one of the most powerful Muslim leaders in the world, one of the largest Muslim leaders, Muslim countries in the world, in Egypt. He's just sitting. The guy's just sitting right there. The guy's just sitting right there. Right. And you can always tell, man. And it doesn't matter whether it's Macron or any of these guys. And they come in and Trump just starts going off. They do. They just have kind of this gobsmack smile like.

[Todd Erzin]

First time.

[Aaron McIntyre]

Exactly.

[Todd Erzin]

Yep.

[Aaron McIntyre]

They don't know what to do. All right. Because you don't want to. You probably can't look like for who you are that you're approving of this message. Number one. On the other hand, you, you know, I'm not. That is a freight train. I'm not stepping in front of that train.

[Todd Erzin]

Right.

[Aaron McIntyre]

I'm also not going to counter signal the guy right here. At the same time, I don't have the stones to do that either. Right. So I can't look like I'm approving of this, but I also don't have the stones to counter signal this because I don't want that turned around on me. So you just kind of sit there, you're like. And it doesn't matter whether it's Macron in France or El Sisi in Egypt, they all kind of just have this look on their face. It Is. It is absolutely spectacular. But I mean, that's Trump sitting there with, again, one of the most powerful Muslim leaders in the world, one of the largest Muslim countries in the world, just sit there saying, we're supposed to be getting this deal any minute now. It's supposed to be signed for three days, right? And Trump is just sitting there with the head of Egypt, just sitting right there and just says, listen, I'll just go back to shooting them if I have to. If you're the head of Egypt, what do you say to that? You're just like

[Todd Erzin]

you had.

[Aaron McIntyre]

You have nothing.

[Todd Erzin]

Right?

[Aaron McIntyre]

I mean, it is. And so normally it's the VP that goes out there and says stuff like that so that the President can look reserved. And the guy that's going to, you know, be the VP's the Vice Principal. He's the one that goes out there and threatens everybody. And the. And the. So the President can be the man of diplomacy and the. And the, you know, the man for all seasons in this environment. It's totally opposite, right? Trump has been an agent of chaos his entire adult life. He enjoys it. It's his native habitat. He's not given that up, even at age 80, without a fight. So JD gets to now go out there as the millennial. He gets to go out there now and be the.

[J.D. Vance]

The.

[Aaron McIntyre]

The softer side of Sears. I find that dynamic to be fascinating unto. Unto itself, because that's not the way, like any other modern presidency in American history has ever worked.

[Todd Erzin]

Well, either way, I love that you're focusing on both of them. Here's the most important part. Both men are authentic. They're very, very different from each other, but they are both very authentic. And that's what people are just driven to now on the right more than ever. And they're willing to look past a lot of. As long as you get. They get something real. They do not want the furrowed brow anymore. They do not want John Thune. Those are the people that can't go into all of these rooms because they turn into robot and they just have like three programmed canned answers for everything. And they aren't capable of carrying on a dialogue with all manner of human beings because they're not human beings themselves. You are right over the target in focusing on both of these men and their effectiveness in two very different realms, one with the world leader and the other one with those five twits on that show. But because they're real and they're authentic, they can own the moment.

[Steve Dace]

What did I say in the aftermath? I Always refer to that like everybody's just right. What is Aaron McIntyre saying? But I just recall what I said in the aftermath of the 2024 election. I think especially the younger generations, particularly the younger generations of men who have not been totally lost to the cult of the Jews, the cult of total nihilism. Coming from whatever perspective, I think the number one currency is not the US Dollar, it's not the next hit of dopamine on their betting apps. I think the number one most valuable currency is authenticity. And I think that's what you're seeing from both of these. And I just, I think in this day and age, millennials were getting better at this. Certainly zoomers have a complete and total market cornered on smelling bs.

[Todd Erzin]

Yeah. So the Republican Party. Yeah.

[Steve Dace]

Right or wrong, they are authentic. Right or wrong, they come across as authentic.

[Todd Erzin]

The Republican Party, our whole life, Steve, has more or less been Eddie Murphy,

[Steve Dace]

you know what up the butt.

[Todd Erzin]

Eddie Murphy's white guy imitation, you remember, hello, sir, how are you doing today? We're done.

[Aaron McIntyre]

That is so true. It is so true. And that is still who a lot of these Republicans in the Senate are. Which is why, listen, Trump is finally starting to seriously leverage them. We've been begging for him to do this for a year, but it is still sad that this is even required. This should not even be required. The differences between these two parties. This is not the 80s, it's not the 90s. We are at an existential cliff here as a people. And there's just too many Republicans in the U.S. senate that have too much in common with the Democrats that this is required. And that's a major, major problem that still has to be addressed moving forward. I want to go back on the, I want to go back to the JD front though. And if I can make it personal for just a second because last week was the one year anniversary of when I went out to or two weeks ago was the one year anniversary was June 4th, I think June 4th or 5th that I went out and did Freedom Night in America with, with Charlie at his home church there, Dream City Church in Phoenix. And then after the event, he took me and I had Pastor Jesse, my pastor come with me. And after that event he took me and Pastor Jesse out to dinner and it was, there was a certain like Godfather element to this dinner. We go to the, this Italian place on the other side of Phoenix. That. And it's, it's kind of this Freedom Night did not end till like 9, 10 o'. Clock. So this is after hours. Right? They're about to close. Charlie comes in with the security team, and the owner walks in it. It. It does look like a godfather. He's like, hey, we're. We'll stay open for you. That is literally what happened. All right? We go into this very back room. We're the only ones in the restaurant. They're cooking just for us. Right. The food was incredible, by the way. I mean, it's my favorite genre of food. It's my native food. And it. The food was incredible. But we had a. We had a very, very blunt talk about several things at this dinner, and one of them was J.D. vance. And Charlie talked a little bit about some of the background in how JD Came to be on the ticket. But we spent most of that time, or he spent most of that time. And I just listened, talking about his hopes for the future and why he thinks that J.D. vance is the man of the hour. And I was very impressed with his messaging capability coming out of the campaign and early on in this administration. But what I've come to see, particularly in the months since Charlie was murdered, what I've come to see out of the Vice President is, number one, Charlie was right again in what he saw. But number two, and I left a copy of why Independence Day, my. My new children's book, when the Vice President was here in. What was that? Early May. I had just gotten my. My author copy, so it was late April, early May. And I. I left a copy for him with his staff, and I. I wrote a little note into it. I'm going to share that note with all of you here listening. And the. The note I said is that I thought with Charlie gone, he was our best chance to reach the next generation of young men before they go off into a nihilistic abyss. That's. That's what I wrote in the book that I. That I left for him and his family. What you see right there in those. In those view clips in particular, the vice President takes a freaking flame torch to the longhouse. There absolutely just torches them. But did you see how he did it? Did you see how he did it? What you see in those clips and what you see in all these clips from the Vice President are demonstrations of a word that we have used on our show many times over the years. Meekness, defined as power under control. Power under control. It is not weakness. It's not synonymous with weakness, actually, in any way, but it is power under control. One of the fruit of the spirit is what? Self control. What you see right there from the Vice president is he is in control. He's in control of these conversations. He's in control of his own message. He's in control of his own emotions. And he ends up forcing those harpies on the View to debate the three things that they have no chance up against. Logic, reason, and facts. If he walks in there like CRO Magnon man and starts throwing it around. Hey, Banshees, time to drop a little testosterone here. This gets. This is on their level. It gets really emotional real quick, and you're not going to win that. Instead, he demonstrates masculinity with power under control, meekness, and absolutely devastated that room. Here's the other thing about all these clips. Have you noticed that there's no clips going around from the other side about the one time he screwed up or the one time he over overreached or said something that wasn't true? He left his opponents with jack freaking squat. There's nothing there. A major politician went on what could very well end up being the biggest publicity blitz we're going to see any politician in America do between now and the next election and didn't walk out of there with any oppo to instantly. To instantly feed his opponents. That's incredible. That's like watching Roy Hobbs take batting practice. That is incredible. Listen, I'm a good communicator. That's why I get paid to do this. But doing this live for two hours every day, if and when I ever do run for governor of Iowa, the amount of oppo on me is going to be. And I just gave him some in the last five minutes. All right. Probably. This is incredible to. To see. And. And Aaron used to use the term giftedness. That's what this is. Because this is not. This is not an experienced, polished politician, had not even done a term in the Senate. He was a Claremont Institute. And I like a lot of those guys, a lot of them are friends of mine or people I know, but he was a Claremont Institute think tank kind of nerd, you know. This is incredible what you're watching. This is an incredible amount of giftedness that you're watching. And for the young men, I want you to understand what it is you're also watching. This is real masculinity. This is meekness. This is power under control. That doesn't mean there's never a time to go in there and tear down the money changers. That's not what it means. But it's not all of the time. Most of the time, Christ communicates. It's very much like this is that the only way he communicates? No. There's times to tear down money changers. There's times to call people broods of vipers and whitewashed tombs. But most of the way he communicates is like this in the Gospels. It's devastating, it's effective and it's under control. And I think this is more of what needs to be modeled to the next generation of young men in America who sadly have not seen this modeled in enough of their homes, either because they didn't have a dad or they didn't. They just had a beta male passive dad. You guys have any thoughts on that at all before we get out of here for this segment?

[Todd Erzin]

Two things. He's in the arena. That's where the game is. He has no excuses. He is the very opposite of anonaccount. And secondly, in once in the arena, he goes on offense. He's right. Unlike all those other Republicans I talked about in the past. He's writing a book on his faith and then going into the devil's den to talk about it. Whereas everybody else has all their excuses of why it has to only be on this shelf over here. The man is again, I there. He has. If he had, he might have equals. But nobody's been better in my adult lifetime of doing this.

[Steve Dace]

Agreed. And it's for all of these reasons that I hope and pray the administration's characterization of the memorandum of understanding is what it has been alluded to from Vice President Vance and other officials. And it's been very few. It's basically been Vance and nobody else who's talked about this. Because if it ends up once we see the text that it is anything but and everything that the detractors of this MoU are saying that it is, you just sent him out there to basically get slaughtered for no reason. So I, I hope this MOU that's coming up is indeed what it's been characterized to be.

[Aaron McIntyre]

All right, coming up on the show, Karl Marx. You could argue the most successful woman of the 20th century was Margaret Sanger. The most successful male of the 20th century was Karl Marx. Their thoughts, teachings, writings influenced more than were more influential than anything other than the Bible itself in the 20th century. We have to make sure that isn't repeated in the 21st century. We'll get into that with our guest here next. Stay tuned. The Steve Day show. Chronic migraine is 15 or more headache days a month, each lasting four hours or more. Botox Onobotulinum toxin A prevents headaches in a adults with chronic migraine before they start. It's not for those with 14 or fewer headache days a month. It prevents on average eight to nine headache days a month versus six to seven for placebo. Prescription Botox is injected by your doctor. Effects of Botox may spread hours to weeks after injection causing serious symptoms. Alert your doctor right away as difficulty swallowing, speaking, breathing, eye problems or muscle weakness can be signs of a life threatening condition. Patients with these conditions before injection are at highest risk. Side effects may include allergic reactions, neck and injection site pain, fatigue and headache. Allergic reactions can include rash, welts, asthma symptoms and dizziness. Don't receive Botox if there's a skin infection. Tell your doctor your medical history, muscle or nerve conditions including als, Lou Gehrig's disease, Myasthenia gravis or Lambert Eaton syndrome, and medications including botulinum toxins as these may increase the risk of serious side effects. Why wait? Ask your doctor, visit botoxchronicmigraine.com or call

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Back here on the Steve Day show, powered by our friends over at Patriot Mobile. You know one of the great ways to celebrate America 250 is to align with a superior mobile phone company that also also agrees our western values are the superior civilization. At the same time, notice the order I put those two things in. By the way. First, great product excellence is one of our values. No, you don't get to do and get a you don't get to get away with hey, my product sucks but I love Jesus. If you love Jesus, your product wouldn't suck. He gave everything he had for you. So take the talent he gave you and do everything you can with it in return. Patriot Mobile is an excellent product I know because we belonged as a family to it for six plus years and have never looked back so I can testify to that. I can also tell you when I speak around the country numerous times, they're one of the sponsors of the events. I get a chance to Speak at. So I've also seen firsthand when I tell you they reinvest the values they share with you back into the country. I. I've seen that firsthand as well. So keep your number, switch your number, keep your phone or upgrade it if you want. Maybe you're locked into a terrible contract with a communist corporation. They've got buyouts to maybe help you out of that situation as well. Get started today with a free month of service with the offer code Steve. When you go to patriotmobile.com Steve. That's patriot mobile.com/Steve. Use the offer code Steve to get started with a free month of service@patriot mobile.com Steve. Well, you guys might remember the name Robert Orlando. We had him on the show a couple years ago for his documentary on the Shroud of Turin, which has that story, by the way, has completely blown up since we had him on. Before that, he did a phenomenal documentary, except for the scenes he let me be in talking about the rise of Trump, his latest Karl Marx, the divine tragedy. Robert Orlando is here with us. Good to have him back on the show. Brother. How are you?

[Robert Orlando]

I'm doing well. Great to be back with you guys.

[Aaron McIntyre]

It is. It is good to see you again. So in hyping up this interview, I mentioned to our audience, Robert, that I thought if we had kind of the male, female, I guess we'll say, ontological or ideological winners of the 20th century, they'd be Marx and Sanger. Their two ideologies wreaked more havoc, impacted more nations, for better or for worse, than any other two people. I think for the entirety of the 21st century, we've got to make sure Marx doesn't get a chance to do that again here in the 21st century. So let me start there with your perspective on. On how I'm leading into this interview. What do you think of that?

[Robert Orlando]

That's. That's great. To put the way I would say that from doing a lot of back and forth, as I say, if you do not have your own worldview, you are thinking Marx's thoughts.

[Todd Erzin]

Hmm.

[Aaron McIntyre]

All right, Item. I like that. So itemize that for us. You know, flesh that out a little bit.

[Robert Orlando]

I like it, in other words, to be passive and just absorb what would come through in the natural course of the culture and today's world. You are getting either something derivative of Marx or Marx himself, or Marx diluted or watered down, but absent the Christian view, replacing it. Like I'm talking in first principles and the way you organize your thoughts, your values, and everything they would, they contradict each other. And I'm saying if you're not informed about a Christian worldview, or at least classical Western view, you are thinking like Marx because he's replaced all those categories in the culture we're in right now.

[Aaron McIntyre]

That is spot on analysis by Robert Orlando right there. Essentially, if you don't understand, if you don't begin with God made us and the world we sinned, and that explains the evil, injustice, the evils and injustice of the world that we are the problem as, as, as the great Catholic thinker Chesterton said, the problem is me. All right, so that we're the problem. We're what's wrong with the world. Right. And that therefore we cannot fix ourselves. We are in need of deliverance from a force beyond us and, and above us. And the wayward story of history is rebellious mankind trying to run away from the grace of God, basically, and wreaking evils and havoc in the world as a result of that chase. If you don't have that worldview, Robert is saying that you're going to succumb to. Therefore evils have to be explained in a different way and that that explanation would be haves and have nots, elites versus regular people, systematic advantages for certain classes and races of people. That's. Those are your. Those are basically the only two choices on the table, right?

[Robert Orlando]

Yeah. And if you think to the extreme, if ultimately everything is just material nature and there's no transcendent value to use as a judge of any kind, then really, even totalitarianism makes sense at a certain point. Because why not just reorganize the world for the best of the many or the most thinking you can anyway. So even totalitarianism is a natural outgrowth of materialist thinking, which Marx really was the one who did it in the political and economic sphere the most.

[Aaron McIntyre]

So tell us about him, the man and his background. I always love hearing about whether they have our worldview or not, the historical backgrounds of these individuals, because it does. Particularly like in Darwin's case, for example, it does tend to go a long way into helping to explain how they ended up in some of the ditches that they ended up in.

[Robert Orlando]

Say he, to some degree, he's born into two rabbinical lines. So he is an alien in Prussia, in Prussia of the time. He's also born at a time where the French Enlightenment, which is, I don't know, French Enlightenment, but French Revolution has exploded on the scene. So you have the Rousseaus and the Montesquieu and all that both for all it's good and bad, the McKee Desad

[Aaron McIntyre]

you've got, I mean debauchery, pornography, homosexuality, exploding out of the French Revolution. Really the first time these things have gone mainstream in the, in the Christian west was coming out of the French Revolution basically.

[Robert Orlando]

But, but in the name originally of brotherhood of man.

[Aaron McIntyre]

Right.

[Robert Orlando]

It's always, always couched within the larger ideals. So Marx is also. And his family and everyone in, in Germany are kind of clashing to some degree but also being overwhelmed by these enlightenment principles. So he's at a convergence. But when, when I started to think about his life, I reversed. In Dante's Divine Comedy, Dante goes from hell to heaven in our words. But you know, it's not, it's not the same in Italian but. But I reversed it because the more I learned about Marx's life outside of being an alien being Jewish and had some partial rights removed being Jewish and his family had to kind of convert for practical reasons. Although in the end I believe Marx for a short period as a believer they're also, they. They own vineyards, they're trained by the best people in the world. I mean to go to school with where Hegel is the legacy and the Hegelian movements and, and all the traditions of Germanic thing. He's born in a. He's born in a tree. Tree trium, which is the Roman. It's the runes where Caesar crossed into the barbarian lands and has a history there. It's very Catholic, there's churches on every block and it's, it's like a booming time. He's in a very enlightened time. A renaissance if you will, of the times where people read great literature and do all this. But for him it's interesting because he goes from that and then even his early writings, if you've ever read his, his writings on the Gospel of John and how the unity in Christ there were all the fruit from one tree. And it's amazing writing. He's. He's a gifted writer, a gifted kid. Like he just. But he wrote in such a spiritual way. There is no other answer to life other than Jesus and everything. But when he starts getting into the critical thinking and he goes to Bonn and then Berlin, that's when you start to see him get more caught up in the radical side of life. But he, he's in love with one of the wealthiest, most beautiful women in the world. He had a really good father. His father actually sent him the Bible to read. He said, Carl, you need more of this. He said, and he had like a rich life. He had a really rich life, which makes it even more of a, a riddle to me of like, why. Why so radical? Why would you come out of that and go to such extreme ideas? And it's not, not, it's not indicative of all his peers. It's uniquely him in, in that space because other others would moderate and not go as far as he did even within the radical movements of his time.

[Aaron McIntyre]

I mean, ultimately, you probably don't have Marx without Darwin, right? If you want to say back what I said a minute ago, Marx and Marx and Sanger's ideas dominated the 20th century. Well, I mean, the, the origin for their ideas is Darwin. If you look at Darwin's life, mother was a Unitarian, kind of fake Christian, you know, sect. And then dad was a complete, you know, university secularist. So you can kind of see with that spiritual booyah base how he kind of ended up where he did the math. The math works with Charles Darwin. His mom belonged to kind of a heterodoxical section. His dad was irreligious and highly educated and viewed himself as very enlightened. So what I find fascinating here, what you're telling us about Marx is the math is not congruent here. This is a. We take a wayward road to get to the revolutionary of the century that he ends up becoming.

[Robert Orlando]

There's something in Marx that there is this rebellion in perpetuity, like a revolution that he can't ever stop his revolution, no matter what it is, even when he doesn't have to. There's very simple ways. Even when he's trying to gather together some of his early movements, he makes enemies where he doesn't have to a lot. He really digs in. He goes to an extreme even with adjusting to raising his family. And no, again, people who rely on others for money, you can't criticize them the same way you criticize a doctor or a lawyer's way of handling money. So it's, it gets tricky at times because he is reliant on other people and inheritance to a large degree. And that's where Engels comes in. And Engels does a lot of his rewriting, keeps him on the page. But overall, I just think he does not need to go to the extreme of his thinking. And by the way, one was one tweak. Not a tweak, an add on to what you just said. It's really. Spinoza is the start of the materialism, if you want to get in from a philosophical standpoint. And he, and he Goes all the way back to a debate that is Marx's dissertation on Epicurus and Democritus and the Greeks, about all matter being the atomism, like all matter is the totality of reality. And I know that. I read his dissertation, which was profound, but later it came to bite him in the butt because he had to struggle with the idea, if everything is material, then why. Where's the opportunity for free will to have a revolution? Why even try a revolution? Why not just let the world be what it is if you can't control it? So he got into a dilemma with free will, but he's largely influenced by Spinoza because Spinoza was material is all reality in a cosmological sense.

[Aaron McIntyre]

Was he good? Pardon me? Do you think Marx would have been pleased with what the next hundred years, 100, 150 years after him were like? Do you think that he intended for this outcome to be what ended up becoming of his ideas?

[Robert Orlando]

No, just think about it. To him, it was like this idealized birth of the coming out of the urban centers of enlightened people getting rid of the shackles.

[Aaron McIntyre]

So he thought he was populist, basically, is what you're saying. That's what he thought he was?

[Robert Orlando]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Aaron McIntyre]

He didn't think he was necessarily a revolutionary. He thought he was a populist.

[Robert Orlando]

Yeah, well, he's. He has bad anthropology. He's got really bad anthropology.

[Aaron McIntyre]

Yeah, you got Genesis 1 wrong. So his anthropology is going to suck from there. Robert, you're right. Yes. Correct. Yes.

[Robert Orlando]

So. So if you, if you start with the wrong anthropology and you get a Mao or Stalin, and they say, oh, sure, we'll be the benign despot that'll step in and rally the people. And then you. When it's all the new nirvana comes, we'll give the money and all the power back to the people. So it's a miss. It's a. It's a misguided understanding of human nature that someone. It all goes back to the anthropology again, that we're not sinners, because the idea was that Stalin would collect everything for the sake of the people, or Mao, and then he'd give it back over. The problem is the totalitarian leader never gives it back over. So it's a. It's a breakdown in his plan because they're using Marx in the idealistic sense and in the criticism of imperialism, this genuine criticism in there of imperialism, capitalism, that you could. We could talk about on how much time we have. But, but the, the breakdown in the, in the idea was it never evolves to the next level because it has to, for a period of time, transition into the hands of a totalitarian leader to become the socialist ideal that then makes its way to the communist nirvana. To me, communism is not an organizing principle in politics. It's a new world order. It's like think of our kingdom of God. Yeah, that's what it is.

[Aaron McIntyre]

10,000%. Why did you. We got about three minutes here. Why did you personally want to undertake this study? What were you hoping to come out of it with?

[Robert Orlando]

Well, it came down to. I'm glad you asked that. It came down to an experience. I was in downtown Princeton during COVID My studio was shut down. It was really freaky. It was kind of like apocalyptic. There was no one on the streets. And then there's protests everywhere. And I'm watching the news. I was catching up while I was doing some of my other film work. And I just remember looking at all the streets burning everywhere and burning. And I'm looking at Minneapolis and. And like they let that one police station, I think it was May 29th or May 30th of 2000. They just said the governor orders the police to leave a police station. Now if you're symbolically. You don't have to be Mr. Intellectual or figure out. You just don't abandon a police station. And in a world of order, you just don't let. Make the police run away from rioters and burn and people burning down cities. So I'm looking at all this and I'm like, you have the. You have the crowd that's coming from the. You know, the kind of like the white collar wealthy guys running the. The problem. You have the racism that gets exaggerated. My point of view, it all. It's all becomes Boolean. Based is a good word, but like is toxic combination of forces of COVID and racism exaggerated. And. And it's all just in this toxic thing about to explode. And I'm like, if you think about who's fed this for so many years, it's Marx. Marx's thought. It's. It's a deconstructionism.

[Todd Erzin]

It.

[Robert Orlando]

It went. It went from rich and poor to black and white and. And then like all of these forces of setting up the world to be opposites was just. That day was on display. And I remember saying there's he still. His ideas are more than just a concept because they're. They're able to jump from a generation to a generation. And that's more like when you're possessed, what a spirit does it doesn't live in one spot and then die off with time. So. So I read this. Derrida said something like the specter of Marx, which is an Old English word for the ghost of Marx. And I just started developing it from there. The ghost of Mar. Now this is making sense. Then I realized what's beneath Marx and why it sticks is he's an eschatological thinker. He's like an Old Testament prophet trying to turn a new promise into a material promise. Which was the very mistake that Paul was calling his peers on when he was saying the letter kills and the spirit gives life. It's the same contradiction in another form that came back to light later. So the letter kills. The spirit's not in the stone, the spirit's in the heart. It's back to the same. It's about us. It's not about fixing the things outside of us and doing that. So it was like an inverted eschaton that he invented. And then you realize that's really his small G genius that he contributed because he was not really a great economist. He was not great, great philosopher. He was very derivative in all these other areas. So that. That experience says I've got to tell the story. But to hell with Karl Marx was what came to me in a dream. And I just saw myself racing through a series of tunnels. And I was in these, like, Dante s tunnels. And I'm racing to Minneapolis and somewhere he's in the flames and he wants to play chess with me. And like. And he wants, like, have a chess game with me. And it's his whole. That's what the movie will be. But when I started digging into this, I figured. I mean, you've written books too. Sometimes you could. You start to see patterns when you study the main source material. And after like nine months or I said, like, this is a monster. This is. He's. He has so many different things. So I had to base it on some kind of structure. Mine was, I'm going to go with Dante just like Dante went with Virgil. And we're going to go find Marx and see where. Where he would be placed in the divine tragedy.

[Aaron McIntyre]

That's the through line probably in a place that he had. He is reconsidering many of his writings would be my guess. Karl Marx.

[Robert Orlando]

I wrote a fictional account at the very end where Dante is holding court and Marx gets called in. And they all time. Shakespeare's there and Geerthe's there. And they're all like the.

[Todd Erzin]

The.

[Robert Orlando]

You know, the. The. They're all like accompanying him as families. And they're all sitting, he's getting the final judgment. It's Dante offering this back and forth remarks with a lot of respect between them too, folks.

[Aaron McIntyre]

It's fascinating. You want to check this book out? Karl Marx, the Divine Tragedy. Robert Orlando, that's his latest, Karl Marx, the Divine Tragedy. Good to see you again, brother. Thank you.

[Robert Orlando]

Can I just add tan Publishing is the publisher publishing?

[Aaron McIntyre]

You bet. You just did. And then it's marksinhell.com marks in hell.com that's going to be the film version of the book. All right. We'll make sure to check that out when the time comes. Good to see you, brother. Thank you.

[Robert Orlando]

Thank you.

[Aaron McIntyre]

You bet.

[Robert Orlando]

See again.

[Aaron McIntyre]

See you. We'll come back. I'm going to make a prediction and then we're going to play buy seller hold next. And greetings back with hour two live and on demand here on the Steve Day Show. That would be me with todders and an Aaron McIntyre. And you can let us know what you think about what we think via the stevedace.com inbox by emailing the show steve dace.com that's D E A C E like us on Facebook, me, we and Gab. You can follow me at Steve Day show on X Instagram and TikTok. Subscribe to our Rumble channel at Steve Dace on Rumble. That's at Steve Dace on Rumble. And then finally, if you are a podcast listener, make sure that you subscribe so that you don't miss a single episode. And we never miss you. Many of you have done that within that group. Tens of thousands of you have left us five star reviews. Please add yours if you wouldn't mind. We'd greatly would appreciate that as well as we are thankful for all of you that have done that for us already. Thankful for our friends as well. Over at Freedom Project Academy, why were they the 2026 Christian School of the Year from Education Insider? Well, because they have everything. If you need structure, you can go live with real time teachers in a virtual classroom environment. If you need flexibility, they have anytime courses available 24, 7. If you want control, there's a homeschool track that puts your child in the driver's seat. Whatever options you're looking for, they have them all. They've been doing this for 16 years. Had my own son enrolled in FPA for a couple of years. So I got a chance to see firsthand just how good they are at this, which is why I can also recommend them to you if you want to get started today, no radical agendas, no Common Core, just rigorous academics grounded in biblical values, go to freedom4school.com. Check out their catalog and their website. What's available, the options. Check that out for free. If you decide you want to join for the upcoming school year or even maybe just for some classes this summer, use the promo code Steve, and you'll get 10% off. All right? Promo code Steve to save 10 on your tuition at Freedom for School. That's the word for freedom4school.com promo code Steve for 10% [e-mail]. All right, we're gonna get to buy seller hold in a minute. But I'm. I'm gonna interject something and make a prediction. I want to go on the record. You guys are gonna know by tuning in. So far this week, I've had very little to say about the specifics or the alleged or reported specifics about this deal with Iran. I have said from the beginning I have an utmost amount of trust in the president as a deal maker. He's arguably the most accomplished dealmaker in American history. Secondly, I have no trust, though, that you can deal in good faith with Iran.

[Robert Orlando]

All right?

[Aaron McIntyre]

I don't have any trust in that. How does it work when the. When maybe the greatest American dealmaker goes up against a demoniac regime you can't deal with? I don't know. I have no idea. I've never been involved in anything even remotely close to that.

[Robert Orlando]

Okay.

[Aaron McIntyre]

I mean, I had to face off with a motion picture ratings board once, you know, but I have no clue what that is even remotely like, you know? So, no, I don't know. That's kind of the unstoppable force versus the immovable object from a negotiating standpoint. So that's another reason why I haven't offered up anything on the specifics. And they will eventually reveal themselves whenever the actual detail or the actual deal comes forth. I am going to make a prediction, though, that I think might explain all the various messages on this. We are being told by the administration, not a dime of American money, not a dime of taxpayer money money is going to Iran. I think that's 100% true. The vice president has used some interesting phrasing in the last few days, talking about this being kind of a boon for the region, kind of a chance, a regional deal. So this is my prediction of what is going to happen here. No money will be given to Iran, but provided it behaves as the administration is describing, will be permitted to profit off of its own oil sales freely in the marketplace again. And I think essentially the administration has said to the Gulf states, we're tired of babysitting this region. We're not doing it anymore. I understand they're Persian and you're not. There's Shias and you're not, but many of you Arab states are not. But this is your region. And if you're going to come to us and ask us to hold Israel off from, you know, colonizing Lebanon, as they all fear, or further expansion, you know, into, you know, settlements into the west bank, if you want us to hold Israel off on one end, then you've got to deliver for us on the other end. Right? You've got a babysit romper room over here. And if you guys aren't willing to do it, then we'll be back again and we'll just have to kill a lot more of these leaders until you guys are able to do this yourselves. If I had to guess, that's much of the deal, I don't think we'll give them a dime. I don't, I don't think they'll get anything from America. I don't. I think they'll be allowed to profit off of their own oil almost immediately. And then any further attempts to, to grow themselves economically will be under the auspices of the Gulf coast states that they are going to be told, hey, it's your region. This is your home, right? If you babysit them successfully, the whole region will benefit from it, not just us, not just Israel, but all of you. That's why you guys don't like them either. So. But you guys have to babysit your own here. We certainly would not ask Qatar or Saudi Arabia to come in here and help us figure out California. So, no, we're not going to help you figure out Iran, but if you can figure it out, figure on a lot more bombs. If I had to guess and make a prediction, I'm going to predict that's the gist of a lot of this deal and that this money will, that the money that Iran gets will come off of what it earns from the sale of its oil. And then what maybe the Gulf coast states agree to in, you know, if Iran hits benchmarks, they will invest in rebuilding some of the infrastructure of Iran, things of that nature. But that this is now has to be babysitting. This has to be a regional responsibility. And if you ask us to do it, understand it comes with bombs and bullets. So don't ask us to do it. That's my Prediction thoughts on that?

[Todd Erzin]

Well, it's, it's pretty obvious as it goes that this is the best play you have before you, and it puts skin in the game for as many people as possible beyond mere politicking. You know, this is, Steve, you've often said how you, how do you use human nature, how do you steer it, how do you mold it, how do you wield it to the. To get the best case scenario where just, you know, you can use pure selfish desire but actually have reasonably good outcomes. This is how you do it.

[Steve Dace]

So my outlook on what this is or not. And again, you know, there have been different publications who have published both foreign and domestic purported MOU details, the outline of the deal. Until I actually see our government, this administration, produce the text of the deal, I'm going to withhold judgment. And even then, even then, I'm still probably mostly going to begin drill, baby, drill mode. That's kind of where I'm going to end up for the short term. Now, after the election, we can maybe try to clean this up a little. I don't know what that looks like. I don't know what that looks like, but I think it's going to be probably not sufficient for some people who were expecting regime change or hoping for regime change. And I think it's probably going to be if we take a really 10,000, 20,000 foot view, maybe understand that, yeah, that's not possible this time. But there's some more strategic benefits going on here than maybe what we're looking at through the fog of Ceasefire now. So I just think nobody's going to be happy with this. That's the bottom line. I don't think really anybody's going to be happy with this, so.

[Aaron McIntyre]

Well, let's see how happy we are with bias Other hold. You ready for that?

[Todd Erzin]

Let's go.

[Aaron McIntyre]

Aaron has the submissions, none of which we have seen. We will get to as many of these during the program or what's left of it as we can. What remains, we will tackle today in the overtime for Blaze TV [e-mail] Dace you guys know the drill. You give Aaron those submissions. Todd, you and I are going to decide, are we buying it? Are we selling it? You are permitted to hold. You are. But if you decide to hold, you have committed such a clear existential violation of the dude code that you should be punished and punished thusly in an emasculating way because you've emasculated yourself. And so, Todd, this week's punishment is if you hold, then you are forced to see firsthand how Lindsey Graham is self medicating the last few days since he received knowledge that we won't be doing a full onslaught regime change in Iran. What has he been doing to comfort himself? How's he been self medicating? You're going to have to see and witness that firsthand.

[Todd Erzin]

That's pretty dark. That's pretty bleak.

[Aaron McIntyre]

Indeed it is.

[Steve Dace]

We'll start with Dacian memes for pumpkin spiced queens. Who says instead of bemoaning almost losing the country to a retard who was one of Montel Williams hoes, we should recognize the greatness of America. And that allows you to go from wanting tails hose to VP while lying down on the job.

[Aaron McIntyre]

You can't lead off with this. How are people going to follow them just this for the next 50 minutes? How can you possibly follow that? That's incredible. That is absolute. That. This. And that's. That's a George Carlin joke is what that is. That's. And that. That's me giving it very high praise. I mean, that is just some biting social commentary right there. That is laugh out loud funny. That is exceedingly well done. Yes.

[Steve Dace]

Bye.

[Todd Erzin]

It is. But with all due respect, I. I still have to sell the. The laugh track is not going to be enough. We just. But I. There is considerable game there. I. I will tip my cap.

[Aaron McIntyre]

Todd is torn by the fact he despises that. That everything you said is true while at the same time admiring your craftsmanship. Okay. So don't take it personal. He admires your craft, which is why he even had to wrestle. He had to suffer through this himself for the last two minutes. Because at the heart of it, he detests the fact that what you said is not even parody. But true. Okay. Yes.

[Todd Erzin]

Yes.

[Steve Dace]

We go now to uncontexted Dace2Electric Boogaloo, who says this is the reason kids should be banned from. For those of you listening.

[Aaron McIntyre]

Oh my God.

[Steve Dace]

It's the COVID Cover artwork for the Steve Day show podcast. Except all three of us are doing the frickin duck face.

[Aaron McIntyre]

Yeah, that's boy band kind of thing too, there. Yeah. I mean, that is. You know what? I didn't think you guys could do it.

[Todd Erzin]

I think we found what Lindsey Graham is doing.

[Aaron McIntyre]

Nice. I didn't think y' all had a shot with that as the lead off blast. Okay. But this is a very strong follow up. This is priceless. I have to buy this. This is incredible. Yeah.

[Steve Dace]

Next we go to John, who says Maha should advocate for Laws banning fast food restaurants, processed food companies, et cetera from advertising. Like they advocate for Big Pharma not being able to advertise on tv. The companies are more of a chemical company than they are food company. Unless they have certain amount of real ingredients and below a threshold of chemicals, they can't advertise. Bonus for Todd. Since these companies are overwhelmingly advertising during games more than Big Pharma. If they couldn't advertise, it would dry the revenue leagues, conferences, schools, et cetera. Thus bringing a collapse to them so something better can be grown. So two part buy, sell or hold. John says Maha should advocate for fast food companies, junk food companies to not be able to advertise on tv. And bonus for Todd, buy, sell or hold. This is a good idea because it might crash collegiate athletics and sundry sports leagues.

[Aaron McIntyre]

I'll let you take this first.

[Todd Erzin]

Well, see, I love your spirit and your spunk, but none of that can or should happen before you ban Big Pharma. So I have a, a must have caveat on that because I, I understand what you're saying about what's in these foods. But I also, I do believe ultimately that I, I, I can't make the, the perfect. The enemy of the good and the. There just needs to be a level of license allowed to a free people to eat a cheeseburger. Okay so and the last one, I mean you're really, you sweetened the pot for me. You, you really, really did. But again, I have to tell you once again, I, I am trying to tank them, to save them the, the sports leagues. I, and that, that is genuine. I am, I'm trying to get people to see that there, you can't have, you don't deserve to have this if you're an idol worshiper, if you're just a crackhead, then, so I'm going to sell, but I'm, you're making that challenging for me as well.

[Steve Dace]

To me. Well, you think to me, Todd's answer is kind of like my thing with the data centers. I have done some research on this. The data centers, the water they use for cooling, it can contribute to some, it can to contribute to environmental damage to some degree. Now to what degree they're still relatively, at least in the mass effort to implement and build them. We don't know to what degree, but to the people who are apoplectic about data centers, can we start with glyphosate first? Can we start with that? Because to me that seems like a much, much, much bigger problem than data center runoff. And pollution.

[Todd Erzin]

And also if you're eating a cheeseburger and you're living a sedentary life, that's much different. See, if you reverse, like, stop watching so many games, you can still eat the same cheeseburgers you're eating now. But if you're out and active, it's an entirely different thing. Especially if you're young, if you're in your 20s. I ate a lot of cheeseburgers. I did just fine because I was very, very active.

[Aaron McIntyre]

I get where this is coming from. Yeah, I do. Do we ban bad ideas next? By what standard are we gonna determine what a bad idea is? Who would enforce that? Right, like. Like this sounds reasonable, I think, to some of you, because Robert F. Kennedy Jr. Is the Secretary of Health and Human Services. Kind of like the conversation we had in yesterday's overtime about Keir Starmer and the banning of social media in the UK for those under 16. I'm sure the timing, by the way, of banning social media in the UK right around the time a report comes out that you allowed a quarter of a million of your. Of your. Your native girls to get raped by Muslims. I'm sure that has. That. That timing is not coincidental, like.

[Todd Erzin]

No.

[Aaron McIntyre]

In any way, shape or form. Right. Probably not just random occurrences, but if, if, if, if President Kamala's tranny secretary of HHS proposed this, what would we say? We get our freedom on? That's what we would say. We'd be like you again, man. These, they just want to make life absolutely joyless. They want to control absolutely everything you do, you know, and. We're in a fallen world. Go back to the conversation we had with Robert Orlando last cycle. There are limiting principles here. There are limits to what human nature is capable of. There's limits to the power human nature should, should have, should seek, can wield. There's limits. Here we. We are. And, and so somewhere in there is a balance between, no, you don't get to promote Rotka to people, and. Or two, the. The amount of power you give to government to make sure all the rocket goes away, government will end up keeping and then using against you. That's. That's what history shows too. Right? So there's a balance in here somewhere.

[Todd Erzin]

This is not a new idea. This is Aristotle and the golden mean. I mean, we've been debating this forever and this is the way since it's in there. Football or college sports and all that stuff. Listen, it's. We. We had a fantastic balance. Now wanting too much of college football is destroying A lot of things. And it has to toggle back or it has to be destroyed itself to learn the ultimate lesson. I this is. And it's not. We don't have a new problem here. We've always had a problem with our appetites in both directions. The extremes are ultimately all. All utopian. The only extreme if we. For the sake of. If the only extreme is Christ, that makes any sense. The alpha and the mega of everything. Anything else is an imposter. So start with Christ. And the rest of it is an idol that must be smashed.

[Aaron McIntyre]

Couldn't say it better myself. Yeah.

[Steve Dace]

20 years ago, I think everybody in right wing media, if California had signed a law banning red number three, red 40 would be freaking out like this is nanny state government.

[Aaron McIntyre]

Yep.

[Steve Dace]

Two years ago they did just that. And I said that's probably one of the most righteous pieces of governance I've seen in this era. Cause I kind of think it's the role of the government to make sure companies can't poison you, which is what these dyes are. They're poison. Now, of course, poison always is incumbent on the dose, but you get my drift. I'm kind of okay with government ensuring that companies can't just put poison into their product.

[Todd Erzin]

Absolutely.

[Steve Dace]

I'm kind of fine with that. Especially if there are viable alternatives. Expensive nonetheless, but viable nonetheless too.

[Aaron McIntyre]

I mean, but here's the question. Are we going to say, therefore any processing of foods is poison? So lunch, deli meat, is that a poison?

[Steve Dace]

See, and that's where the rub comes in.

[Todd Erzin]

Yeah.

[Aaron McIntyre]

What's the limiting principle here? Yeah, exactly. Which is. Which is why when our. You suggest this when your guy's in charge of hhs, not when their guys are. That's because we don't have it. Because you assume we're operating under the same limiting principles. Together we're aligned. And you assume the other side doesn't have that alignment. Like the same thing we did yesterday. If Ron DeSantis gives the same speech as Keir Starmer in banning social media for youth in Florida, are we complaining about it? No. But given who Keir Starmer is and what we think those words mean, we don't think those means what he thinks they mean. Right. And so now we're complaining about it because those words in his hands mean a completely different thing. I think the timing of this with Robert Orlando's interview last hour and what he said about Marx got the first anthropological fact of history wrong and therefore he couldn't be right about anything from there on. That's exactly the same conversation we're having right now.

[Todd Erzin]

It is, yeah.

[Steve Dace]

Yeah. We would have to worry about government. Hey, I kind of want government to ban cyanide if, you know, you had personal responsibility.

[Aaron McIntyre]

Agreed. Yeah.

[Steve Dace]

Things being like, hey, I'm going to make sure I'm not eating cyanide.

[Aaron McIntyre]

Like, how about, how about, here's this for a limiting principle. We were shipping, you know, bakeries were shipping bread to stores before, like 1985. Right. You could buy Wonder Bread in 1975 in a store.

[Todd Erzin]

That sounds right. Yeah.

[Aaron McIntyre]

Okay, so what did you put in the bread that made Aaron a celiac when no one knew what a celiac was in 1975?

[Todd Erzin]

Yeah.

[Aaron McIntyre]

See what I'm saying?

[Todd Erzin]

Yeah.

[Steve Dace]

Find out what vaccines too.

[Aaron McIntyre]

Find out what that is and ban that. Okay.

[Todd Erzin]

Yeah.

[Aaron McIntyre]

Because no one was a celiac, could even spell the term in 1975. Now, like, everybody thinks they have a gluten Intolerance in 2025. Well, 2026 now. But you know what I'm trying to say. I think that that's a good limiting principle to start from. You meant. We talked about close Encounters of the Third Kind yesterday. Don't I remember that there's a McDonald's sign at some point that gets lit up by the aliens or something in one of the encounters in the film. I'm pretty confident there's a McDonald's sign and it mentions, you know, whatever the number was at that point. Billion people served. Okay, all right. If you walked into, if I walked into a McDonald's, I mean, you and I, I mean, what were two a days like for playing football when I was a kid? Right. In the summertime, stopped and got McDonald's for breakfast in between practices. Whit. And grabbed a Subway sandwich afterwards. Taco bell had the 39 cent, 59 cent, 79 cent menu. Right. Okay. Was anybody 600 pounds and you walked into those places and when you and I were in high school, no. So then why are they £600 now? So what are we, what were you, what were you not putting in the food in 1989 and what are you putting in there?

[Steve Dace]

Part of the conversation as well. How much do we let the market dictate what we put in our bodies? Because a lot of this is driven by inflation. Whatever's cheaper to produce, consumers are more likely to put into their bodies. And whatever is cheaper to produce doesn't always mean it's as healthy. It's most likely not as healthy.

[Todd Erzin]

So.

[Aaron McIntyre]

Yep, yep.

[Steve Dace]

Okay, we're doing great here.

[Aaron McIntyre]

We think we've done three.

[Steve Dace]

I'm just telling. I'm talking corporately, health wise as a country.

[Aaron McIntyre]

Oh, I got you.

[Steve Dace]

Yes, Deacon AR says, just like Steve has been saying a lot lately. I don't know rings true about predictions of societal outcomes from any particular election. I remember the apocalyptic predictions surrounding Biden's election in 2020. Did things turn out puppies and kittens? No, but we're still here. And remember the reflection in 2024 that without the four years of Biden in between, Trump's second term would not have been as energetic as it was out of the gate or even possible. We just need to do the next best thing each time we act like the will of the Father and let him take care of the rest. Buy, sell or hold.

[Aaron McIntyre]

I think these metaphors are mixed.

[Todd Erzin]

I'll sell.

[Aaron McIntyre]

Go ahead. I'll let you go first.

[Todd Erzin]

I mean the closes.

[Steve Dace]

We did not come out of the Biden administration. I know it wasn't puppies. We came out of the Biden administration with a civilizational ruling catastrophe. It is by the grace of God that Kamala did not get elected. We had, by the most conservative estimates, 10 million invaders come into this country. So I'm just gonna reject the premise that, hey, we're still here and that's all that matters. No, the Biden administration was almost a civilizational suicidal disaster. It's by luck, by God's grace, what have you that were quote unquote still totally agree.

[Todd Erzin]

I. There's way too much Jesus. Take the wheel on that answer. There just is. I mean, why do you say to me Lord, Lord, and not do what I say, that there's a whole world out there that you are duty bound as a Christian man to be a part of and lead in, in creating and sustaining. And I just. Everything up to the end, I mean, at the end, if you've done everything you can, then the end is fine. But we are not that people right now. We aren't coming close to doing everything we can, which is. That last conversation has a lot to do with that. We are such a sedentary people, mind, body and soul. And yes, Robert Orlando has everything to do how Marxism has bled in to the church, into the average Christian person. We are so spiritually malnourished and so like Romans 1, you will, you will know God by the things that he has made. So if you are out there not, not passively living life, you are aggressively living, aggressively living life, mind, body and soul. A cheeseburger is you've made in that previous statement. You Made way too much out of a cheeseburger. McDonald's cheeseburger. You want to live passively if you're living a very, very healthy life that is in its proper place and it isn't suddenly a demon that needs to be slayed. Romans 1. You will know God by the things he has made. That's you. You are meant to be active. And yes, you are meant to be out living in nature to some degree, the real world. You are not supposed to be living in your mom's basement perpetually, which is what we are as a culture, just constantly passively receiving things, which is what Robert Orlander talked about. It is spiritual, and it hops from generation to generation. So again, the Jesus take the wheel stuff within the Orthodox community is actually killing us. You're not doing your duty as a Christian man in so many vectors of life, and that has to stop.

[Aaron McIntyre]

Well, you said it better than I was planning to, so I doubt it. Just for the. No, that was very good. So just for the sake of argument, let me take the other side. Provided it's in this kind of a context. Okay. If the context is to be. To still remember, overall, we're the most blessed people right now, even in our current diminishing state as a culture, we are the most blessed people God has ever permitted on this earth since the fall, and that God is still on the throne. We don't have to make everything about existential angst all of the time so that this becomes an idol as well. Right. Some organic things did happen so that to push back as a bulwark against what the Biden regime started. Governors in places like our home state of Iowa and Florida, for example. All right. Offered some resistance. We would not have forecasted that coming out of the 2020 election. All right. That God is still at work. There's always a remnant. All right. Even when things seem dark. All right? God still has a plan. If we're starting. If it's from. If you're saying that from that premise, then I will buy. Okay. Because otherwise, I agree with every single syllable of what Todd just said. And I was gonna say virtually the same thing, but just not as well. I think that's the fairest we can be.

[Todd Erzin]

Okay.

[Steve Dace]

Okay, next interesting top 10 list. Top 10 accidentally conservative movies. Number 10, Pirates of the Caribbean at World's End.

[Aaron McIntyre]

So I have to confess, I think these. This is the most overrated film franchise of all time. I have rarely enjoyed any of them. I don't even remember this.

[Steve Dace]

I will buy.

[Todd Erzin]

Yeah.

[Steve Dace]

Although isn't it the fourth one, though, that it's overtly Christian? I think it's the fourth pirate.

[Todd Erzin]

I never saw the fourth one.

[Steve Dace]

Yeah, the fourth one is overtly Christian.

[Todd Erzin]

But I love the franchise. It was fun. I mean, I'm not gonna accidentally conservative. Sure, that's fine. I'll buy it. I mean, I haven't seen it in a long, long time, but I know it wasn't drek, so. Yeah, that's fine.

[Steve Dace]

Number nine, Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix.

[Aaron McIntyre]

Oh, I could see this for sure. I mean, this is the rebellion against state authority. All powerful authority. Like a ragtag group of colonials, basically. All right. Rebelling against an empire. Yeah, I could see this. Yeah.

[Steve Dace]

Spider Man. No Way Home.

[Aaron McIntyre]

That's the one where they have to forget about him. That's the last one, right?

[Todd Erzin]

Yeah.

[Aaron McIntyre]

Okay. Yeah, listen, I love that film. It's a great film. I'm trying to think of why he would think that's like accidentally conservative. I can't.

[Todd Erzin]

I don't know. I mean, tradition within the. The Spider man universe. The things that hold us together, the constants. I don't know. I mean, it's almost like anything that's not woke is accidentally conservative. So that's fine.

[Aaron McIntyre]

Okay.

[Steve Dace]

Seven. Black Panther.

[Aaron McIntyre]

Yeah, I do agree with this.

[Todd Erzin]

It's true.

[Aaron McIntyre]

I completely agree with this one.

[Todd Erzin]

Yeah.

[Aaron McIntyre]

I mean, what's the. What's the solution at the end? Be a better dad and invest in your community? Well, yeah, essentially Black Panther is Boys in the Hood as a superhero movie. That's basically what Black Panther is.

[Steve Dace]

Number six taken.

[Aaron McIntyre]

Oh, 10,000%.

[Todd Erzin]

But that. See, that can't be accidentally conservative.

[Aaron McIntyre]

No, that's true. That one's pretty overt. You're right about that.

[Robert Orlando]

Yeah.

[Steve Dace]

We'll get to the rest of these after the break.

[Aaron McIntyre]

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[Steve Dace]

Yes, this is submitted by tactics top 10 accidentally conservative movies. We got through 10 Pirates of the Caribbean at World's End, although I think he might have meant Pirates of Caribbean on Stranger Tides 9. Harry Potter and the Order of Phoenix 8 Spider man no Way Home 7. Black Panther 6 taken. We're now down to five Captain Winter soldier.

[Aaron McIntyre]

I mean, that film is literally about the debate we were having at the time on the right. What's the balance between making sure we're secure and we also don't create something that will turn against citizens? Right. You kind of have Nick Fury sort of has the, the Chaney view. You have Captain America sort of has the, the Rand Paul view. So yeah, I think that's absolutely accurate.

[Todd Erzin]

Is this accidentally, though?

[Steve Dace]

Yeah, I don't think it's accidentally. I think it's overtly.

[Aaron McIntyre]

And in Winter Soldier it's absolutely.

[Todd Erzin]

Oh, yes. We ask the question all the time, though. But you know, do these make it? Do the people making these movies understand what they were doing? That's. I don't know. Maybe, maybe not. So I guess I'll accept that it's accidentally.

[Steve Dace]

Number four, the switch.

[Aaron McIntyre]

I don't know what that is. What is that?

[Steve Dace]

I've never heard of that. I was hoping you would.

[Aaron McIntyre]

Yeah, I don't know that one.

[Steve Dace]

Jason Bateman, Jennifer Aniston.

[Aaron McIntyre]

Yeah, I don't know that movie.

[Todd Erzin]

2010 idea.

[Aaron McIntyre]

I'll take your word for it there.

[Steve Dace]

Brother number three, the Matrix.

[Todd Erzin]

Well, that would be accidentally because that.

[Aaron McIntyre]

Because of what became of the brothers who made the other. Are they both trannies?

[Todd Erzin]

I know one is.

[Aaron McIntyre]

I think they're both trannies.

[Todd Erzin]

I have no idea what's even happened to them.

[Aaron McIntyre]

Both the Wachowski brothers, I think, are now the Wachowski sisters, or at least are imagining such things. But the film is a pretty obvious christological parallel.

[Todd Erzin]

So.

[Aaron McIntyre]

Yeah.

[Steve Dace]

Number two, the Dark Knight Rises.

[Aaron McIntyre]

You know, one of the funniest movie reviews I've ever read is Ben Shapiro for Breitbart at the time. That tells you how long ago that was. Is Ben was still. Was still a voice at Breitbart. How things have changed since 2012 when that film came out. But Ben wrote a phenomenal movie review over at Breitbart about how the Dark Knight Rises is essentially about Mitt Romney, who was the 2012 Republican nominee. Rich guy who uses his wealth to transform himself into a superhero and save America from Occupy Wall Street. That was essentially Ben's review. And if you go back and watch the film, and given the year that it came out, that is the plot of the film. All right. Pampered rich guy. And Bain is clearly a derivative of the Occupy Wall street movement at the time. Okay. I mean, he's a class. You know, he's a kind of classic Marxist class warrior, thug. Right. So I think that's right on the money. I'll buy for sure.

[Todd Erzin]

Sure.

[Steve Dace]

Number one, Juno.

[Aaron McIntyre]

That's.

[Todd Erzin]

Yeah.

[Aaron McIntyre]

Yeah. Especially at the time, it was pretty overt, I think, because of what's happened with Ellen Page. It seems accidental now, but at the time, we all discussed how overtly pro life this film is.

[Todd Erzin]

Yeah. I think by accidental, all of this means. Is in this culture that this is. This is the best we can do.

[Aaron McIntyre]

Are we saying that even if they. Even if they don't. Even if they don't want to admit it.

[Todd Erzin]

Yeah.

[Aaron McIntyre]

Our worldview still leads to the best stories and they still have to use it at times. Yeah. But you're going to notice. Go back to the list there real quick. Aaron, can you do that real quick?

[Steve Dace]

I'm going to have to cycle through again.

[Aaron McIntyre]

All right. Don't worry about it. Just. What's the most recent movie on that list?

[Steve Dace]

It would have been one of the Marvel movies.

[J.D. Vance]

Right.

[Aaron McIntyre]

Well, Winter Soldier, I think, is 2012 as well.

[Steve Dace]

Black Panther, maybe.

[Todd Erzin]

Yes.

[Aaron McIntyre]

Yeah, Black Panther. Okay. All right, so that's the most recent one. We're saying the rest of these are all at least. So I think it wasn't Black Panther 2017, 2018, I want to say. All right, so other than. Other than no Way Home, we're saying the rest of these films are almost a decade old or older. Right. What does that tell you?

[Todd Erzin]

Well, and we may be in trouble for a while because, like Robert Orlando said, this is a spiritual problem. And it. It jumps, you know, through generations. And if we, you know, it's going to take a degree of revival to turn this around.

[Aaron McIntyre]

Listen, right now, right now, every Hollywood studio is trying to find their. Their indie supernatural horror film that they can get into the Hopper, right? Like, they're like their version of backrooms, their version of obsession. The films that destroyed he man and Star wars at the box office and are each going to make hundreds of millions of dollars. But they don't have those films in the Hopper right now. And so they want to make those films given how the audience is responding to them. But what do they have in the Hopper right now? More of the kinds of films that the audiences don't want to see. They're going to cycle through more of this before we get to the.

[Todd Erzin]

Is it a good thing that audiences want to see the stuff you just mentioned? Not necessarily, no.

[Aaron McIntyre]

Just like it's not necessarily. While I am happy to see that Spielberg's attempt to start a new cult is not going to work, I'm not entirely sure it's for the right reasons. As I pointed out before, they've done. You know, the Elizondos and Greers are always talking. All these people. UFO disclosure. We've had how much disclosure we had, guys? We've been doing ufo disclosure since 2017. There's been like seven UFO disclosures. And every time, it's not enough. This isn't the real stuff. Government's hiding this out, and the next one's going to be the real one. Okay, you know, here's the thing. There's two reasons why a culture. If. If the government had come out in the summer of 84 after we all just watched V, if the government had come out, the Reagan administration come out in the summer of 84 and said UFOs are real, what would people have done?

[Steve Dace]

Todd,

[Todd Erzin]

I don't know. I don't even remember much about V anymore.

[Aaron McIntyre]

All right, forget I Mean, it was Forget V in 1984. If the government had said UFOs are a real thing, what would people have

[Todd Erzin]

done,

[Aaron McIntyre]

you think in 1984 they would not have cared?

[Todd Erzin]

They would. I'm trying to take it seriously, but it's not just a knee jerk reaction. They would have taken it more seriously than they're taking it right now.

[Aaron McIntyre]

Yeah, because we're coming out of, we're only a decade away from Project Bluebook and all the controversy that came around, that and all this. I mean, Gerald Ford was talking about UFOs as a president that he saw some in the 70s. There's two reasons why when your government tells you there's non human intelligence operating in the atmosphere, that they don't know the origin of it. And it's not our enemies because if we're, if they had this tick, we're sure they'd be using it against us. There's only two reasons why a culture is not moved existentially by that information. One is very, very good and the other is very, very bad. Okay. I think we all would agree it's not the very, very good option, which is that we are a robust critical mass Christian culture that is rolling their eyes and saying, really, we're trying this. Okay, That's. I think we all agree. All in favor say aye. That's not the reason why this isn't resonating. So the other reason that is very, very bad, which is like nothing of existential importance would move the culture like at all. Right? You would have to put that culture, you'd have to put that existential import would have to be in diametric opposition and interruption of the things people are way more concerned about and way more passionate about. And right now that's not the case. Right. The, the aliens have not landed a mothership in the middle of Sunday Night Football or the Super Bowl. Okay. Or the, you know, the next Barbie movie. They haven't done that, you know, so since they haven't done that, you know, then I'm not, I don't have to care. So that's not, that's not a good reason why it's not resonating. But I think that's the reason why. That's the reason why.

[Steve Dace]

On the topic of movies, something made me feel extremely old yesterday. The new teaser trailer for Shrek 5 came out.

[Aaron McIntyre]

I know.

[Steve Dace]

Do you know when Shrek Goes Forth came out?

[Aaron McIntyre]

No. The first Shrek was 1999. I remember that. Yeah.

[Steve Dace]

Shrek Goes Forth came out. It will be 17 years ago by the time Shrek 5 comes out.

[Aaron McIntyre]

I gotta tell you, though, I love Shrek. The original Shrek is one of the greatest animated films of all time. All right. And even my son will still do the whole I love you, daddy will still do that to me every now and then. I love the Shrek movie.

[Todd Erzin]

And I give him credit for coming because the third one is not good.

[Aaron McIntyre]

No.

[Todd Erzin]

But the fourth one is incredible.

[Aaron McIntyre]

Yes. I think the third one is where they do have that I love you, daddy line. That's like the only good thing about the movie.

[Todd Erzin]

Second one is excellent.

[Steve Dace]

Second one is my favorite. ID crisis says digital ID for under 16. Social media users will be the straw that breaks the camel's back in the uk, not the migrant rape gangs.

[Aaron McIntyre]

That's probably true of the two options because their government is not going to tell them, hey, we let your quarter of a million, your daughters get raped by Muslims. So they're going to have to get that information independently. That's not getting reported on the BBC tonight. Right. Okay. But everybody's going to feel the digital ID and going through that process because it's going to be forced on them individually. So in that case, I will buy this.

[Todd Erzin]

I'll buy. And, like, it just sets up, you know. But people are ultimately very, very selfish creatures before they're principled creatures. And you are appealing to that. Which one is going to make people react the most selfishly? Amazingly, it's not raping their daughters. But that's when I tell you, like, about the people Sports row will let you trans their kids as long as they get to keep the game on. I think your principal is in there somewhere. So that's why I'm buying.

[Steve Dace]

All right, next we go to Jonathan, who says the aliens appear as animals trope. And Disclosure Day was a dig at the Chronicles of Narnia. Spielberg just didn't have the giblets to make the alien leader a lion.

[Aaron McIntyre]

I'm fascinated by that, given. Given the overt attempts to deconstruct Christianity in this film. I wouldn't put that past him. Sure, I'll go with it.

[Todd Erzin]

It makes sense.

[Aaron McIntyre]

Yeah, I'll go with it. If I had to guess, that's not it. It's probably more some kind of panentheist, pantheist thing that we're all the circle of life and relate to the cute little animals. But you, you could be right. I could see it too.

[Todd Erzin]

This makes me want to ask, like, what is the best thing about Disclosure Day?

[Aaron McIntyre]

Like, how poorly made the film is.

[Todd Erzin]

No. What's the best thing about like, it. Like, is there any plot point that's interesting at all? Any craftsmanship of how something was done?

[Aaron McIntyre]

The craftsmanship is all bad. The CGI is very bad. The story just is not believable in several places. I'm a. I'm a cinephile and I work in politics. In other words, I'm subjected through a lot of propaganda. Agreed. And then I seek a lot of it out because I'm a worldview analyst. So I want to know what the various belief systems out there are saying. This is sloppily made, hastily done, and it's just. It's nowhere close to the typical Spielberg level of craftsmanship.

[Todd Erzin]

Well, guess what? I forgot to tell you yesterday because remember I asked how many of you Spielberg's movies has he actually written? Guess which one he wrote. Close Encounters.

[Aaron McIntyre]

I did not know that.

[Todd Erzin]

Okay. I think if you go back and watch it, you're going to have your nostalgia.

[Robert Orlando]

Yeah.

[Aaron McIntyre]

Your check of that. Yeah, check. Yesterday made me. Has fascinated me because I have not seen it in many years and I

[Todd Erzin]

had never seen it.

[Aaron McIntyre]

Yeah, you might be right.

[Todd Erzin]

It's. It's. It is.

[Aaron McIntyre]

I left here yesterday thinking about that. So. Yeah, that was a good check.

[Steve Dace]

Adam Coombs says Amazon should restore the Stargate series. They canceled due to the original showrunners honoring the fan base. The fan base and cast have been lighting up Twitter and Amazon. This isn't Star wars related. So the submission should pass Todd's smell test. Right? Right.

[Todd Erzin]

No, no, I'm selling.

[Aaron McIntyre]

Don't.

[Todd Erzin]

This is in the toy lightsaber lane. Let's sober up a little bit. Don't rest enough of the nostalgia. It's killing you. This he man thing proved it. You were doing it. Just because you need to feel in middle age. I don't know how old you are, but like, you are a teenager again. Stop it. Do something new that will stand the test of time, that is really worthy of your children seeing we're so drunk on ourselves. Stop it.

[Aaron McIntyre]

I'm not a huge. I was not a huge Stargate guy. I'm familiar with the show. I saw the movie when it first came out. It's very, you know, that whole mythos is very ancient aliens. So if. If it's because I want the nostalgia of this show back, I agree with Todd. If it's because they refuse to woke ify the show and, you know, make everybody trannies and get and homos, then I'm fine with buying it then as a subversion. Subversion of the subversion. But I don't know enough about that current project and what it was meant to be and why I didn't even know it was canceled. I don't know anything about it.

[Todd Erzin]

Your Iran yesterday, which was so great in and of itself, but it applies to this. We have problems here. We live here. Way too many guys just want to sit around and watch tv. I, I think this show, it, it is thrown down the gauntlet of. It is the 11th hour. We don't have as much time as you think to just constantly be entertained. I don't know what else I have to say to get that through your head. Stargate's not gonna.

[Aaron McIntyre]

Did the Major League Baseball Players association come out and supported those players? See, that's why I'm bringing somebody that reinforces your point.

[Todd Erzin]

And somebody got mad at me. They can't even. They're so defensive. Yeah, it's great. The three pitchers did it. But I pointed out like if you think that most sports bros are going to now die on the hill of this is too much, you're not paying attention. And they got mad at me. Says they thought I was ripping on the three pitchers. No, I'm trying to ask everybody, and I have been for a long time for everybody to be the three pitchers at the track meet when the tranny's racing against your daughters. Pay attention to what's really going on in this real world. We're not doing enough. We don't have time to reboot Stargate. We're gonna need a real stargate to get the hell out of here. From the tranny overlords and this is obvious God.

[Aaron McIntyre]

Catholics for the rapture. Let's continue on.

[Todd Erzin]

Yes.

[Steve Dace]

Matt's collection says they should leave the UFC octagon on the White House lawn and we should be able to have politicians fight in it.

[Aaron McIntyre]

Bye.

[Steve Dace]

I have first shot at John Thune.

[Aaron McIntyre]

Bye.

[Steve Dace]

Matt says anyone fighting Lindsey Graham should expect him to be covered in baby oil Diddy style.

[Aaron McIntyre]

Disgusting. But bye. Triple bye on that post. Triple by.

[Todd Erzin]

I'll allow it.

[Aaron McIntyre]

That's triple buy. If you could fight one politician in that octagon, who would it be?

[Todd Erzin]

Target rich environment.

[Aaron McIntyre]

I know, I know.

[Todd Erzin]

Target rich environment. I mean it.

[Steve Dace]

Boiled or non oiled.

[Todd Erzin]

Oh, yes.

[Aaron McIntyre]

Here's the thing.

[Todd Erzin]

Standing.

[Aaron McIntyre]

I think I detest Lisa Murkowski the most, but I just wouldn't believe in hitting a woman. You know,

[Todd Erzin]

I don't want to take. This is an important answer. I really want to nail it.

[Aaron McIntyre]

I'm going to savor this. I got one shot at this. Kind of like a last meal.

[Todd Erzin]

Yes.

[Aaron McIntyre]

Saved by the bell. There you go. We'll get through the rest of these right now. Going to record the overtime for [e-mail] dace for the rest of you, back at it again Tomorrow noon to 2 Eastern, right after Glenn Beck, right here on Blaze TV. Until then, go hard. Romans 8, 28.