We're Going to Need to Start Hearing a Plan for Iran | Guest: Del Bigtree | 3/25/26

Summary

Steve Deace Show – Episode Summary

Episode Title: We're Going to Need to Start Hearing a Plan for Iran
Air Date: March 25, 2026
Host: Steve Deace (Blaze Podcast Network)
Featured Guest: Del Bigtree
Main Co-hosts: Todders, Aaron McIntyre
Notable Regular: Daniel Horowitz

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Episode Overview

Steve Deace and team tackle the escalating situation with Iran and the broader implications of U.S. foreign policy, political strategy, and media misinformation. The team also discusses the lasting effects of the pandemic, censorship of dissenting voices, the political climate ahead of the midterm elections, and the persistent underperformance of Republicans in downballot races. Del Bigtree joins for a passionate segment on medical freedom, censorship, and the ongoing repercussions of COVID-era government and media overreach. The episode closes with analysis on recent political losses, the importance of red state bulwarks, and reflections on the need for clearer plans regarding U.S. involvement with Iran.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Iran Crisis & U.S. Policy Confusion

• Timestamps: [08:50]–[19:24], [28:08]–[29:46]
• The panel expresses growing frustration and uncertainty over the status and strategy of U.S. engagement with Iran.
  • Reports on ceasefire negotiations are conflicting; Iran appears to have rejected terms.
  • U.S. leadership and objectives are unclear ("Do we have a clue who is running the country right now?" — Steve Deace, [09:46]).
  • The White House's claims of "big presents" from Iran are seen as vague and potentially manipulative ("We're getting to the realm of this now where… I was greatly enjoying said spectacle. Right on. But now we're kinda getting into… what does it really mean to severely degrade their military capability?" — Steve Deace, [11:33]).
• The hosts worry that without clear end goals ("If we walk away from Iran and the regime is in place, was all this worth it?” — Steve Deace, [11:07]), public support and strategic clarity are lacking.
• Discussion questions the wisdom of half-measures and warns against the instability that repeated, limited strikes (“Operation Lawnmower”) might create.

2. Political Accountability & Public Manipulation

• Timestamps: [10:31]–[11:16], [13:41]–[16:19]
• The group discusses manipulation of both markets and public opinion in the service of political narratives.
  • "We care less about manipulating markets and more about the fact that apparently we all accept that we have to constantly manipulate the American public…" — Todders, [10:31]
  • Steve laments public apathy: "You're going to need a new American public… because that's just the reality of the world..." — Steve Deace, [10:44]
• There's skepticism that Americans will support indefinite military actions or absorb the destabilizing economic consequences for the sake of foreign entanglements.
• Lack of honest and transparent communication from U.S. leaders, especially in foreign policy, is highlighted as a major concern.

3. Republican Political Struggles & Future Leadership

• Timestamps: [21:01]–[29:46], [81:54]–[89:46]
• Discussion of the Republican Party’s continued underperformance, particularly in downballot races.
  • Latest special elections in Florida (including Trump’s home district) saw significant losses, even with strong GOP turnout ("They lost by two because they lost the independent vote, something like two to one..." — Daniel Horowitz, [82:35]).
• The team debates the meaning of primary polling (JD Vance's odds as the next President) and the influence of online narratives and party fragmentation (“fog of war” similar to the Trump/DeSantis split).
• Daniel Horowitz later diagnoses the GOP’s broader systemic issues: loss of suburban and independent voters, lack of narrative, and no lateral wins to offset a "really bad" economy.

4. Del Bigtree Interview — Media Censorship & Medical Freedom

• Timestamps: [32:09]–[48:19]
• Del Bigtree discusses his recent return to YouTube after years of punitive censorship for challenging COVID narratives.
  • "You had Tony Fauci saying, if you're questioning me, you're questioning the science. And then after the pandemic’s all over, in front of Congress, he’s saying the social distancing thing, we just kind of made that up..." — Del Bigtree, [34:33]
• Bigtree reports international momentum for vaccine skepticism, citing high levels (~30%) of vaccine refusal worldwide — “There is a rebellion army, an army that knows the truth." [37:23]
• He details ongoing legal battles:
  • A judge in Massachusetts ruled to block Robert F. Kennedy Jr.’s reduction of mandated child vaccines, requiring more pharma representation on advisory boards.
    • "The whole thing is so incredibly corrupt..." — Del Bigtree, [40:58]
  • Bigtree argues these fights are existential for free speech and medical choice.

5. Broader Culture, Religion, and Social Commentary

• Timestamps: [52:38]–[53:27], [71:25]–[74:21]
• The team explores deeper cultural trends, such as the rise of gender ideology:
  • "Transgenderism is the demonic parody of baptism… Both are a public declaration of faith." — Read by Aaron/Attributed to Wesley Thiessen, [52:38]
• On dating/marriage double standards, Steve and Todders examine the "conservative brosphere" and remind listeners that moral expectations must be matched by self-reflection and biblical context.

6. Buy/Sell/Hold Segment

• Timestamps: [51:08]–[77:46]
• This recurring segment features listener-submitted propositions on politics, culture, and faith, triggering lively debate and self-deprecating humor.

7. Closing Segment with Daniel Horowitz

• Timestamps: [81:54]–[97:42]
• Daniel provides a sobering analysis of GOP electoral prospects, warning of a systemic disadvantage not explained by traditional midterm cycles.
  • "With the polarization now in recent years, it's moved very little... it would be okay if we slaughtered the Democrats in 2022, they come and slaughter us in 2026. But... it's built upon... Republicans underperforming, then have a result like this, that's a big problem." — Daniel Horowitz, [86:58]
• Emphasizes the importance of red state bulwarks and strong attorney general candidates as potential firewalls against a likely blue wave.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• "If we walk away from Iran and the regime is in place, was all of this worth it?"
  — Steve Deace, [11:07]
• "We're just going to have to mow the lawn in Tehran... I'm fine with that. I don't know how many Americans are adult enough to absorb that."
  — Steve Deace, [16:20]
• "Transgenderism is the demonic parody of baptism… Both are a public declaration of faith.”
  — Submitted by listener Wesley Thiessen, [52:38]
• “You have to figure out what will that do long term to your oil supply… who’s going to really protect that and who’s going to be responsible for that?”
  — Steve Deace, [17:36]
• “There is a rebellion army, an army that knows the truth.”
  — Del Bigtree, [37:23]
• "That's the 400 pound gorilla behind this story and everything else—that the people like being manipulated."
  — Todders, [10:31]
• “With the polarization now… it would be okay if we slaughtered the Democrats in 2022, they come and slaughter us in 2026. But... it's built upon... Republicans underperforming, then have a result like this, that's a big problem.”
  — Daniel Horowitz, [86:58]

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Timestamps for Major Segments

• Show Open/What Happened While We Were Away: [04:26]–[08:46]
• U.S.–Iran Crisis Discussion: [08:50]–[19:24]; [28:08]–[29:46]; [81:54]–[97:42]
• Del Bigtree Interview: [32:09]–[48:19]
• Buy/Sell/Hold Segment: [51:08]–[77:46]
• Daniel Horowitz Analysis: [81:54]–[97:42]
• Closing Thoughts: [95:54]–[97:42]

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Overall Tone & Style

The conversation is candid, intellectual, combative, and frequently laced with the “snarky twist” Deace is known for. The hosts combine deep political skepticism with a distinctively faith-informed worldview, often calling out manipulation by both the political class and the media. Moments of humor and personal anecdote temper the often-grim geopolitical and cultural assessments.

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Summary Takeaway

The episode urges listeners to demand transparency and serious planning regarding Iran, warns the conservative audience against complacency and political manipulation, and illustrates the downstream effects of leadership voids both in Washington and among the conservative grassroots. The team stresses the need for personal integrity, independent thinking, and local activism as the 2026 elections approach and the global order remains volatile.

Transcript

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[Todders]

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[Steve Dace]

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[Todders]

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[Steve Dace]

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[Todders]

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[Steve Dace]

That's that, that's a good analogy. Right. And so let's kick this off good right and proper with what Aaron has to say about what happened while we were away.

[Aaron McIntyre]

What happened while we were away? Brought to you by Presents from Iran

[Steve Dace]

because they're going to make a deal. They're going to make a deal. They did something yesterday that was amazing actually. They gave us a present and the President arrived today and it was a very big present worth a tremendous amount of money. And I'm not going to tell you

[Dale Bigtree]

what that present is, but it was

[Steve Dace]

a very significant prize and they gave

[Dale Bigtree]

it to us and they said they

[Steve Dace]

were going to give it. So that meant one thing to me.

[Dale Bigtree]

We're dealing with the right people.

[Todders]

Is that nuclear related?

[Steve Dace]

No, it wasn't nuclear related. It was oil and gas related.

[Aaron McIntyre]

President Trump made those mysterious statements at the White House yesterday during the swearing in ceremony for the Department of Homeland Security Secretary Mark Wayne Mullen. Trump also added, we've won this.

[Dale Bigtree]

This war has been won.

[Steve Dace]

The only one that likes to keep

[Dale Bigtree]

it going is the fake news.

[Aaron McIntyre]

We shall see. Illinois officials are now getting on the record regarding the tragic and preventable execution of 18 year old Sheridan Gorman at the hands of an illegal alien. Governor JB Pritzker says it's all Trump's fault. There have been real failures.

[Steve Dace]

Those failures, of course, extend beyond the borders of Illinois. That state their national failures. A failure to have comprehensive immigration reform.

[Aaron McIntyre]

A failure of the President to follow his own edict. Sanctuary City Chicago Mayor Brandon Johnson was asked if he'd like to apologize for championing sanctuary city policies which directly led to the slaying of Gorman.

[Steve Dace]

Let's just be very clear between the

[Dale Bigtree]

Safety act and the Welcoming City Ordinance.

[Steve Dace]

The Welcoming City ordinance was passed 40 years ago by the first black mayor in the history of Chicago. And the Safety act was passed under the governor at that time, who was Republican Governor Rauner. Thank you for your question.

[Aaron McIntyre]

Chicago Mayor Brandon Johnson is still set to attend an event naming the winner of the city's name. A snowplow contest. The winning name for the city's new snowplow this year is Abolish ice. Good thing Republicans are on message and on point on the issue of immigration enforcement and definitely not spewing left wing talking points about amnesty. Anyway, here's Republican Senator from Utah John Curtis.

[Dale Bigtree]

So first of all, you have to define amnesty. But any other crime that's committed here in our country, we define what, we define what the punishment is and we've,

[Steve Dace]

we've failed to do that in this case.

[Dale Bigtree]

Senator Schiff. I thought I'd be arguing with you, Senator Curtis. Look, I think we need strong enforcement of our laws.

[Aaron McIntyre]

Other news, the University of Southern California canceled a gubernatorial debate at the last minute this week citing the fact that the four included candidates are all white. Yes, that's the story. Candace Owens this week confirmed that she was indeed in contact with suspected leaker and former National Counterterrorism Director Joe Kent after the assassination of Charlie Kirk.

[Steve Dace]

I told you the truth. Based off of my discussions with Charlie about where his headspace was at when it came to Israel. I didn't need Joe Kent for that.

[Aaron McIntyre]

I didn't even know Joe Kent at all. Had never had a single communication with Jo Kent until after Charlie Kurt was assassinated. I didn't even know Jo Kent at all. Had never had a single communication with Jo Kent until after Charlie Kurt was assassinated.

[Dale Bigtree]

What an odd thing to say.

[Aaron McIntyre]

Finally, Islam is not compatible with Western civilization. Example number 156. Here's the late atheist Christopher Hitchens with a history lesson.

[Dale Bigtree]

In 1788, when the United States was barely a country, right, it was having its sailors taken as slaves by the Barbary States. The states of the Ottoman Empire in North Africa.

[Steve Dace]

Tripoli. Tripoli, shores of Tripoli.

[Dale Bigtree]

Ships stopped, its crews carried off into slavery. We estimate 1 1/2 million European and American slaves taken between 1750 and 1815. Jefferson and Adams went to their ambassador in London and said, why do you do this to us? The United States has never had a quarrel with the Muslim world of any kind. We weren't in the Crusades, we weren't in the war in Spain. Why do you do this to our people and our ships while you plunder and enslave our people? And the ambassador said very plainly, Mr. Abdul Rahman said, because the Quran gives us permission to do so, because you are infidels. And that's our answer. And Jefferson said, well, in that case I will send a navy which will crush your state. Which he did. Islamic fundamentalism is not created by American democracy. It's a lie to say so. It's a masochistic lie and it excuses those who are the real criminals and it blames us.

[Aaron McIntyre]

And that's what happened while we were away.

[Steve Dace]

All right, well, let's get to it, shall we? Last night there were some optimistic reports. Multiple countries involved. Pakistan, Turkey and maybe the US was willing to do us, I should say willing to do a one month long cease fire to see how Iran was willing to live up to, to what it was going to agree to. Now this morning there are a myriad of reports that Iran has said no ceasefire, no deal. Do we know if Iran's rejected this deal or not? Do we know if they're negotiating? They're not or not. Do we know who is running Iran? Do we know?

[Todders]

No.

[Steve Dace]

And again, the we is just those of us out here, you know, in the everyday America land just trying to do our best to pay attention. Do we have a clue who is running the country right now?

[Todders]

I don't.

[Steve Dace]

Aaron, do you have any idea who's running Iran?

[Aaron McIntyre]

No. At this point, I don't trust anything from anyone about anything regarding this story. Yeah, in some way, I'm kind of in Ukraine mode almost.

[Steve Dace]

I'm getting there. Meaning that you know what is really happening here. Right. So I think you're saying again, to continue the conversation from yesterday. I think you've seen oil prices drop in the last 24 hours. I think this, a lot of what we're seeing is posturing and an attempt to manipulate markets so they don't go ape all at once. They don't go haywire all at once. Maybe gradually pull them back, gradually they react to this. But

[Todders]

I wish we would care less about manipulating markets and more about the fact that apparently we all accept that we have to constantly manipulate the American public and that the American public wants to be manipulated. That's what really bugs me.

[Steve Dace]

Well, you're going to need a new American public, I'm afraid, because that's just the reality of the world and the era in which we live. But I feel you on that. I do. Let's ask this question. If we walk away from Iran and the regime is in place, was all of this worth it?

[Todders]

I don't know. When you are that vague about, well, we got a really big present. What does that mean? I have no idea.

[Steve Dace]

See, I kind of think first before I move on. Aaron, what do you answer that question, if you don't mind?

[Aaron McIntyre]

I'm sorry, I'm not trying to be cute. I'm not trying to be too smart. So I would want to put that out there right now. If it is a success, we won't know for a decade. If it's a failure, we'll know right away. We'll know right away.

[Steve Dace]

Yeah. See, we're getting into the realm of this now where, you know, the first couple of weeks, my child of the 80s, jingoist sympathies of watching us play Missile Command with the Iranian regime. I was, despite my misgivings, going in. I was greatly enjoying said spectacle. Right on. But now we're kind of getting into. I feel like we're kind of getting into the phase of this that made me leery of it going in. Right. Like what. What does it really mean to severely degrade their military capability? What does that mean? Because now we're hearing there's multiple islands where they've got essentially stockpiles and stockades that they use to, you know, control their oil supply. And everything else that we didn't hear even a few weeks ago, we don't really know who's in charge. We're not really sure. Their messaging is just kind of all over the place. You know, I'm just like, we're. Because I just don't know what will happen next. I don't. And I'm not on this one. I'm not entirely sure the people that know way more about this know what's going to happen next. I. I kind of feel like if we had. If we had a leader that we thought could unite enough of a critical mass of the people and subdue a nation, this nation of 90 million people, that both are both ends of our coalition, the Arab end, that both want the Iranian regime mortally wounded, if not, you know, existentially made unalive. So whether it's the Arab coalition on one end or the Israelis on the other, I kind of feel like if we had that leader, now's about the time he might be sitting in the Roosevelt Room at the White House with Trump, right. Taking questions. You know, now's about the time we might be rolling out the PR offensive, you know, waving the palm branches as we head into Palm Sunday here, you know. You know what I'm trying to say? I kind of feel like now we would be preparing about now we'd be preparing the way for that. Right? Don't you think?

[Todders]

Yes.

[Steve Dace]

Yeah. And so don't you think, Aaron?

[Aaron McIntyre]

Yeah.

[Steve Dace]

See, so now, now my jingoistic sympathies are now that really enjoy. Because again, I, I maintain this is an evergreen. Every time a member of the Iranian high command dies, an angel gets his wings. So, you know, I, I still maintain that as a default position, but now I go back to the position I maintained before we started this, which is okay, if we're going to go this far in how do we get out? And what does that look like? What does a win look like? I'm, you know, it's easier to get the Iranians, I'm sorry, to get the Arabs and the Arab coalition and the Israelis to agree that the Iranian regime has to go, then it probably will be to get him to agree what should come after the fact, you know, So, I mean, like, I assume the Israelis would love to see a ruler similar to, you know, to the Shah's return and bikinis in the streets of Tehran. You know, I don't think a lot of our Arab coalition members want to see a Muslim country that might be going. That's a, that might be a bridge Too far. Right. You know, with, you know, women smoking cigarettes and wearing bikinis in the streets. I don't know that even Dubai wants that, let alone Riyadh.

[Todders]

Right.

[Steve Dace]

So, I don't know, it just kind of feels like we're getting to the. For me, anyway. All right, man, Cool. Spring break. I enjoyed the mass funeral of people who all deserved finding out Allah is fake news. But what happens next, that's just kind of where I'm at. That's kind of the vibe. I have thoughts.

[Todders]

Well, the seeming impossibility of finding a new leadership there or expecting any to come anytime soon, maybe Israel knew more than anybody else, A, that that was a mirage, and B, that was all the more reason to attack now because it's far more existential for them than it is for anybody else. I just think that's the most obvious thing by now, and people have already put out that math that Trump got in because this was going to happen anyways, and he would at least have a seat at the table to control some of the variables. But I just think if there's no new leadership on the horizon, like there hasn't been, Steve, our entire lifetime, as you've laid out, isn't the most likely explanation on the table that every once in a while just gonna have to light everybody up and go bomb Iran and keep them tamped down? I mean, I. Is that. Isn't that.

[Daniel Horowitz]

And I don't.

[Steve Dace]

And I don't have a problem with that. I don't. I mean, I'm, you know, I don't know. I can't speak for America. You know, I'm fine. My worldview is fine. Living in the world, a sinful world as it is, and understanding that imperfect solutions are often the best you can do east of Eden. Okay? So I'm fine with the President just having a very adult conversation saying, listen, we're just gonna, like, you know, like, we put a base on Guantanamo Bay after the Cuban Missile crisis just to make sure that we were never gonna have communism at our doorstep like that ever again. Okay? We're just going to have a permanent, you know, aircraft carrier with a, you know, a battalion of fighter jets ready to fly in and just. We got to mow that. We're have to just mow the lawn in Tehran. You know, like, you got to mow your lawn seasonably and you got to pluck the weeds. We're just going to be mowing the lawns and we'll have rotating shifts. I'm fine with that. Okay. I don't know how many Americans are adult enough to be able and willing to absorb that. But you also then have to figure out what will that do long term to your oil supply in that part of the region, not just for you, but also for your partners. And based on how we. It seems like we're kind of playing from behind on who's. What's really going to happen with a Strait of Hormuz and who's going to really protect that and who's going to be responsible for that? I mean, I don't know, but I'd

[Todders]

rather be more honest about that and have all the problems associated with than all of the ridiculous. The less honest we are and transparent in this way, we got a kind of a big present. The more conspiracy theories they're gonna be about the Jews. And we are gonna have all kinds of storylines, just like, you know, with Epstein. You know, if we tell everybody the truth, God only knows what's gonna happen and everything will become untethered. You'll have Jon Thune talking about, we really can't do the filibuster because all of this legislation, we just have all of these fake storylines. And again, it comes back to, I'd rather, instead of manipulating markets, can we talk about how the people are constantly being manipulated and oh, the people like being manipulated. That's the 400 pound gorilla behind this story and everything else.

[Steve Dace]

There's at least somebody's running the country, right? We don't see mass videos of carnage and anarchy in the streets of Iran. So someone's running the country, right? I mean, somebody's in charge. Or at least enough Iranians are just kind of doing what Trump told them to do with the advent of this, you know, shelter in place until we tell you to come out. But I'm fine with just telling the American people this is Operation Lawnmower and we're not going to, you know, there has to be regime change in Iran. Everyone agrees, but we're not going to sit there and have another quagmire. So, you know, this will be a slower process. And every time these weeds sprout up, you know, we fly another group of F16s off of the USS, you know, kick your ass. Okay. And mow the lawn, you know.

[Todders]

Well, that's not a new policy for Trump. That's the old policy that you love so much. Where did he say that again in his first term?

[Steve Dace]

That was in. That was also in Riyadh. Yeah. When he gave that speech in 2017. Aaron, you think there's a way that that can be done that doesn't have a permanent destabilizing angle on the price and cost of oil in the world. The natural gas and everything else.

[Aaron McIntyre]

The mowing your lawn thing.

[Steve Dace]

Yeah, yeah.

[Aaron McIntyre]

I think it's going to take the Gulf coast countries actually doing something. Doing something because they've said a lot of some things and they've said a lot of some things that even I was taken aback by in the early days of the war and continue to issue strongly worded letters against the Iranian regime. But I have yet to see any verifiable evidence that they're actually doing anything. So it would require them to do something to make sure that this doesn't actually turn into a long term destabilization of, of, of markets, specifically oil markets around the world, energy markets around the world. I just kind of think that at this juncture you can't be a little bit pregnant. You can't be half pregnant, three quarters pregnant, you can't. If we quit right now, you know, there's already been damage done. We think long term damage. How long term? I don't know.

[Steve Dace]

Well, see, that's the thing. Last year we told people long term damage had been done only to have to go back again the next year.

[Aaron McIntyre]

Well, that's on one thing. I'm talking about the oil, the energy market. We think already long term damage has been done to the oil markets.

[Steve Dace]

Gotcha.

[Aaron McIntyre]

Okay, well, you've already, you're kind of three quarter, you know, a quarter pregnant now. If you're just going to stop now after some, some long term damage has been done, we think to energy supply chains. What was this all for? I kind of think that now you either go the full Montana, I'm not talking about a ground invasion, but you, you see this thing through, you outlast them. Or we shouldn't have done this at all.

[Steve Dace]

Okay, you guys seen the Poly market odds on JD Vance 20, 28?

[Todders]

They're like very new ones. No, I have not.

[Steve Dace]

Down to 18% on poly market to be the next President United States. Now listen, that's all speculators at their

[Todders]

height though, weren't they like, what were they roughly 50%. Yeah, that's right.

[Steve Dace]

Because you still have to beat the Democrat and win the nomination. Okay, but yeah, 18% on polymarket. And a lot of that is just speculators, you know, betting money based on trends and stuff that they see. You know, there was a poll that came out yesterday that had Vance at 52% in the Republican primary electorate. But, but the more Interesting number to me was to see Rubio approaching 20%. He was at 17. That was the more interesting number to me.

[Aaron McIntyre]

Okay.

[Steve Dace]

Because I. I don't think Trump would move on from Vance. If it's like he's at 52 and no one else has, like, double digits, would you start creeping into the 20s? I could see Trump deciding, maybe we let this thing play out a little bit more and kind of see where my base really is. But 18% on poly market, I think it's. I think that's way too low, first of all. Okay. But I think it is indicative of how people are reacting to what they see happening on X with people that like Tucker, that have. I mean, listen, I texted Tucker the night JD Was confirmed as the named as our nominee for VP at the convention and said, thank you, man. Because that doesn't happen without him and it doesn't happen without him and Charlie. There's no way JD is the VP nominee. Okay. You know, but I think that's a perception of how destructive they think this wing that has largely been relegated to the online discourse so far is becoming and metastasizing. I think that's way too low because I still think most normies have, in our own party have no idea that much of this is even happening. Okay. But I do think it is indicative of what the chattering class is thinking a lot. Anyway. What do you think?

[Todders]

It reminds me in many respects of Trump and DeSantis, and there's such a fog of war about things that didn't necessarily have anything to do with the two men in particular, but the circumstances swirling around them and therefore a lot of enemies, the fracturing on the right that happened and still in some areas hasn't been put together, that this is that all over again, just to. It's not that anybody is against either for or against either particular man, but they're against a set of circumstances around them that is part of this online world of insanity and conspiracy theory and conjecture and clicks. So, yeah, I guess here we go again. It was really fun the first time,

[Steve Dace]

Aaron.

[Aaron McIntyre]

I've. I mean, if the midterms go the way we think they are going to be going, which is Red Rum. Red Rum. I'm not really sure that it matters who Polymarket says on March 25, 2026 has the best chance amongst Republicans. Now, at the same time, we've discussed this as well. Vance does provide some removal insurance for President Trump because he will be impeached in the House whether or not he gets removed, which I think requires 60 votes anyway, so it's probably a moot point. It does provide extra insurance for that,

[Steve Dace]

but I mean, let's play that out. What's the current thing? Is it 5347? Is that our current advantage in the Senate?

[Aaron McIntyre]

I believe so.

[Steve Dace]

5347. Let's say we have a nine seat swing like we got against Obama in 2014. All right, so we go from 53. 47. So that would put. So that would put Democrats at 56. Right. If we have a nine seat swing or no. Yeah, 56. 44. 56, 44. I think there's John Curtis think he votes to convict Trump. Because I kind of think he might. The guy in that video you played in your montage. That guy. Oh, he's Lisa Murkowski. Thinks she do it.

[Aaron McIntyre]

Can't wait.

[Steve Dace]

I think John Curtis couldn't wait. I think you. I think, I think, I think John Curtis and Lindsey Graham. It'd be a race to see who'd have to change their undergarments first. Not Graham would not vote to convict Trump. But between Graham watching, you know, IDF highlights and John Curtis not waiting for the possibility to vote against Trump, it's a waste to see who. It's a race to see who's had to do an underwear oil change more often between those two. John Curtis, I think could not wait. And he of course would tis Tiskas would just be a terrible thing that has to be done for the good of the country. Of course. Think in that environment there's four Republicans that would go along with it. Oh, yeah, I think that there might be. I think Curtis would be one at Burkowski for sure. I think it's possible you get four, particularly if they're gonna like retire soon. Parting shot. One last stab of your own base in the back. It'd be the most Republican thing of all time, wouldn't it be? Yes, it would kind of just be the grand finale of the last era of this party would be something like that.

[Todders]

That present from Iran better be pretty groovy.

[Steve Dace]

Yeah, but here's the thing. We were already. Here's the thing to remember. We were here before Epic Fury started. We were screaming about when are we going to codify the president's executive orders. Right. When are we going to. When are we going to fulfill the president's appointments at a brisker. What was it, the blue slip and everything else?

[Daniel Horowitz]

Pink.

[Steve Dace]

Whatever the hell that thing is called in the Senate. We were screaming about that for months before Epic Fury ever started. You see what I'm saying? So Epic Fury is not the instigator of any of this. These systemic issues existed long before Epic Fury was launched.

[Todders]

Yeah, but that's then Epic Fury, to Aaron's point, what did it get us? If you're right where you started, at the end of the day, it's supposed to.

[Steve Dace]

This is why I asked the question at this point, have we done so much damage to our, or maybe made it so much harder for ourselves in this midterm election by doing this and with the residual costs of this are going to be and already are, should we walk away with anything then other than they're all dead, they're all gone. Otherwise, what was the point then, you know? Yeah, I, because I am fine with Operation Lawnmower, totally fine with it. But what I don't know and I'm just not, I just don't, I'm not informed enough to know. I just, I don't know if you, how you could long term stabilize oil prices in that part of the world if there was just a constant thread that we were going to pull the lawnmower out and mow over some weeds. You know what I'm saying? Trim the grass. Right. It would seem, you know, markets don't, they typically want stabilizing circumstances. Right. That they, they typically favor stabilization in any direction over unstabilization in any direction. Typically.

[Aaron McIntyre]

Right.

[Steve Dace]

You know, so if there's just a constant looming threat for the foreseeable future with an aircraft carrier out there with 30 F16s on it or what have you, okay. That at any point in time, all right, we might gas up the mower and go mow the lawn in Tehran. You know, and it's association and it's a, you know, it's various, you know, hubs, that keeps things very unstable. Right. From an oil standpoint. Right. So how do the markets then recover from something like that? That's why I don't know that that's an option. I don't. To me, I think you're, I think what, Aaron, you said you can't be a little bit pregnant at this point either. Now we, we toppled this regime or what was the point of it? I, I'm kind of leaning in that direction, which scares me because I'm, I'm, I'm, I don't like the idea of what I think it may ultimately take to topple that regime, to give it that final push over the cliff. You know, I've got a son in law in the National Guard and yeah, I'm not. He's, you know, he's the father to my grandbaby with another grandbaby on the way and go stand guard in a Tehran parking lot for a year for reasons why. Tell me who's going to take over. Tell me what we're going to do instead. See, that's the thing I'm the most nervous about is we're not even attempting to introduce an alternative to the regime. I am probably the most nervous about that. Anybody agree or disagree?

[Todders]

I'm nervous about it, but I'm not surprised that it doesn't exist.

[Steve Dace]

I think we have to make it exist. We're the United freaking States. We have to make it exist.

[Todders]

That doesn't mean as much as it used to.

[Steve Dace]

Well, then, then why do this then at all then? I mean, you're doing this to project power and authority, right? That's been projected.

[Todders]

Okay, good question.

[Steve Dace]

Then project it. I mean, we're the one people in the room that can get BB Netanyahu in the house of sod in a room together. All right, so who's going to run

[Todders]

this per Aaron's montage, We can't project it in Chicago. Steve,

[Steve Dace]

we're getting to the juncture of this now where the things I was nervous about at the beginning are kind of starting to come to the surface. We'll come back. Dale Bigtree is going to join us next, The steve day show. Well, our friends over at Jason Medical, they came on board with us

[Todders]

right

[Steve Dace]

when the scamdemic was attempting to take medications off the table that may or may not have been effective against Covid but had proven to be effective in many other areas, including winning Nobel peace prizes. And for the last four to five years now, Jace has been one of the partners here on the show because they were very concerned and thought, hey, if they can do this to a medication of recent vintage like ivermectin, then what can they do to more venerable medications like the penicillin, the families of penicillins and the doxycyclines and some of these venerable antibiotics and others. So that's why they created the Jace case. And over the years, as we've been a partner with them, they've expanded it now to not just some of those venerable antibiotics to make sure you've got a supply of them for the next time. That could never happen here. Happens here again. But now they've made it way more customizable, way more expandable, including maybe some of the medications that are unique to you or a family members situation and also includes that aforementioned ivermectin as well. All right. So don't take as much control over your health as you can. Get that peace of mind. Get your Jace case today. Enter the promo code DACE at checkout for a discount on your order. That's promo code D E A C e. Promo code dace@j a s e jace.com. well, this is an individual we got to know during the battle over the scamdemic. And he joins us again here on the show. Good to see. Dale Bigtree from the High Wire. Good to see you. Welcome back to the show. Dell. How are you?

[Dale Bigtree]

Steve? I'm great. It's. Thanks for having me on.

[Steve Dace]

You bet. And I see that you were just welcomed back to YouTube, I see.

[Dale Bigtree]

Yeah, we got our YouTube channel back. So was a few years after Covid. Finally it's coming around. We'll see how long we last there. Well, we're actually taking it very slowly. We're just dipping our toes, just starting to put our show back up on YouTube. And, you know, hopefully, you know, we're moving into a space where truth actually matters. And, you know, government opinion is not what decides what we're allowed to say. I mean, it was. It was scary there during COVID and it was scary coming to this last election. You know, we had one of our two parties essentially in America, you know, running on the fact that they were going to end misinformation, which means that the government was going to decide what is and is not free, free speech, which I think would have been the end of the republic. So we dodged a bullet. You know, I always say, when Donald Trump dodged that bullet, we all dodged a bullet that day. But we have to, you know, we have to stay active on these things. And I'm going to, you know, if YouTube's going to open it up, let's see what they can do, and let's see if they've learned from this experience.

[Steve Dace]

They have been punitively punishing our show for six years now. Going back to the work we did, being skeptical of the pandemic narrative, we've had to start multiple different YouTube channels. I mean, we, we. I have 300,000 Twitter followers. They want to say I get 3, 500 views an episode. It's just the metrics are so ridiculous that we. We actually had 16 state attorneys generals send a note to YouTube 30 days ago saying, all right, here, you have to explain what you're doing to this show of ours. And they've got a deadline of April 16th to respond to those state attorney generals. Explain how it is that at the same time you're saying literally no one wants to watch my content. Our podcast on Apple grew by over 400%. You can't possibly explain that by anything other than thumb on the scale censorship. And it's maybe, if you even want to excuse it, Dell, in the middle of a pandemic and you really think lives are at stake and, and we, and we'll figure it out later on once the emergency is over. I don't agree with that either, but I at least understand it. Six years later, they're still doing this. Six years later, you're just now getting your channel back. That's not, we're being careful or overly cautious. That's just punitive in nature.

[Dale Bigtree]

Well, I think what it is is it shows that they're owned by one or more industries that would prefer that the narrative be controlled not just on the television sets, which we've, I guess, gotten used to, but, you know, on social media, on platforms on the Internet where the entire purpose of, you know, these platforms was to allow free speech, to allow communities to find each other and, you know, to open up dialogues around the world. It was such a tragedy during, you know, the pandemic or whatever you want to call it, you know, scandemic. But, you know, you had a moment there where the Robert Malone's and the Peter McAuliffe's and the J. Bhattacharyas of the world could have, you know, interacted with, you know, world renowned scientists out there that were finding, discovering hydroxychloroquine and ivermectin. It was a moment where social media had the opportunity to be that worldwide community of sharing information in a crisis. And instead it became just as controlled as China and Russia's media and really, frankly, our own. So, you know, they really killed the dream of what YouTube and, you know, Instagram and Facebook and what these things were supposed to represent. I hope it's coming back around. Look, I think that the topics that we're talking about, we've won these, you know, arguments, Steve. We've, you know, now it's known the vaccine never stopped transmission. We lost channels for saying that when we knew it was the truth. We said it was a lab origin. We lost our, you know, social media channels for, you know, making stuff, statements like that. You had Tony Fauci saying, if you're questioning me, you're questioning the science. And then after the pandemic's all over, in front of Congress, he's saying the social distancing thing. We just kind of made that up. No science there. Never had any science on math. So, Steve, I want to be hopeful, I'm pathologically optimistic that the world has moved so far our direction that social media is not going to make money if it keeps censoring guys like you and me and others that have been right on these topics the whole time. So I feel like the pressure, again, we vote with our dollars, but I hope people will just cut off channels and stop listening to places that do censor great voices. You know, we gotta pressure and really support, you know, the rumbles and those groups that are, you know, saying, we're not going to censor you.

[Steve Dace]

Yeah, I was listening to the NCAA tournament we're doing while doing some yard work this weekend. I hear rumble ads on there. All right, so trying to broaden their audience. I was very excited to see that and to hear that. So last time we had you on was about a movie you were just about to release, an inconvenience study. I'm going to guess the execs out there at Silicon Valley Running YouTube haven't watched this one yet. But how did. How did that movie go? And is it still available for people?

[Dale Bigtree]

The movie you can watch for free@an inconveniencestudy.com it has been a smashing success. We have over 100 million views. Wow. 100 million people have watched it worldwide. Now. I've seen the study that's at the center of this film, the Henry Ford study that compared vaccinated to unvaccinated children. I've seen it debated in parliament in Australia. I'm being invited to Brussels to potentially have an opportunity to speak to parliament there. I'm on an international tour. I'm going to be in Italy at the end of April. I'm going to Japan in July. They're dying to have me come out and talk about what this study was, what this film is about. Australia, New Zealand. So it's opened up the world. I was just in Europe about three weeks ago, and, you know, I discovered something, Steve, that I really hadn't wrapped my head around. When I was in England, you know, a lot of the experts, they were saying, you know, that 70%. We only had a 70% vaccine uptake of the COVID vaccine. 30% of the people in England denied receiving a single COVID vaccine. Then someone was from Denmark was at the meeting. Yeah, same with Denmark and same some guy in Finland. And then Africa is even lower than that. And as it Turns out if you look at it in America is right about the same. I'd say about 30% didn't vaccinate. And so I'm really fascinated right now by this idea that under the greatest propaganda machine, an international attack on humanity by every government of the world, the WHO, WEF, UN, all these globalists in lockstep with our 24 hour a day news cycle, there was still 30% around the world. No matter what your race, your creed, your nation, how your news worked, 30% of humanity said, oh, hell no. I think that there is something we got to think about there. That means there is a rebellion army, an army that knows the truth. And remember, they didn't know there was 30%. We didn't know that there was that many of us. They had us so afraid to talk to each other, so afraid to even bring this up in our workplace. So when they would say, you got to get vaccinated in order to come back to work, I was saying to people, just start talking to everyone at your job. If the numbers hold up the way they are around the country, 30% of you can say, we're walking out of here if you try to force vaccinate us. We've got to recognize that we have an international movement right now. 30% changes governments. They say that, you know, 13 to 15% can change the world. 30%. And then think about the 70% that got that vaccine. How many of them wanted to get it?

[Steve Dace]

How many of them got it under

[Dale Bigtree]

duress because they were forced to? They couldn't see a loved one in the hospital, they couldn't provide for their family. That means, Steve, that this rebellion that took place is the biggest ever recorded in the world. And I think you have 30% that are passionate, that wouldn't budge no matter what lies they were told by media. But there's got to be at least another 20%. I think 50% of this world recognizes they've been lied to. Steve, you're capitalizing that on that. I'm capitalizing, but we got to start speaking loudly, every one of us, proudly, or we're going to lose free speech and we're going to lose this powerful movement that we have right now to make change not just in America, but around the world.

[Steve Dace]

Well, and of course the Empire is going to strike back. Right. And that was very.

[Dale Bigtree]

It is right now, as we speak.

[Steve Dace]

Yeah, and let's go to that. That we've got a federal judge here in the States essentially saying that he's got unilateral power to Overrule the entire department of HHS and what the childhood vaccine vaccination schedule is. So tell us about that case.

[Dale Bigtree]

Yeah, really, really. Probably one of the biggest blows. We've had a lot of successes, so we're getting used to, I think, having the wind at our backs. But this was, you know, that repercussion we've been waiting for. When are those troops of pharma that attacked the world? You know, they're regrouping, they're licking their wounds, they're preparing for their battle. Well, it looks like they're coming back in two different major moves almost within the same time period. In this case, you had a judge, I believe it was in Massachusetts, in a case that the American Academy of Pediatrics brought against Robert Kennedy Jr. And HHS, basically claiming that there would be harm done to, I don't know who, to people if we reduce the vaccine program for people that haven't been paying attention. Donald Trump asked Robert Kennedy Jr. Is there a way to look at the peer nations? Are other first world nations? Are there countries that are giving less vaccines and having success, not having a return to polio or smallpox? Smallpox. Can we look into things like that? And Robert Kennedy Jr. And the team at FDA, CDC, HHS, all the scientists honed in on Denmark, which is also a similar schedule that Germany is using. And he said, let's switch over to the Denmark schedule. And I think they added chickenpox to it. Denmark doesn't give a chickenpox vaccine, but essentially that would reduce the American childhood vaccine schedule from 54 total shots to. To about 26. So almost cutting that toxic load in half. And by the way, not removing those vaccines. I wanna make this really clear. All Robert Kennedy Jr. Did was say, look, those extraneous vaccines that other nations don't think are necessary, why don't we just put those into a category called shared decision making? We recognize that they're there. You should talk to your doctor and have a conversation. So what's amazing is the American Academy of Pediatrics, that is supposed to be looking out for pediatricians and standing for pediatricians, essentially went to the courts and said, we don't want our doctors involved in this process. We don't want them to have a relationship with their patients. We want the government to force all 54 vaccines. We don't want our doctors in a relationship, essentially overriding the power of doctors. Getting back to a world where the doctor patient relationship is what is prioritized in America. No, they want to stick with this old authoritarian system where you are forcibly injected with every new vaccine that the pharmaceutical industry can talk the advisory committee on Immunization Practices into adding to the schedule. So that is what happened. The judge basically overrided it. I don't even know how the American Academy of Pediatrics has standing in this case. You're supposed to have the people that are going to be injured by a law. If it's unjust, you know the ones that are going to be harmed by it. I don't see how the American Academy of Pediatrics is harmed unless losing money is the priority. And then, remember, American Academy of Pediatrics gets funding from the pharmaceutical industry. They're basically a shill for the pharmaceutical industry suing HHS because the pharmaceutical industry doesn't want to lose that revenue. Now, to take it a step further. Now, of course, Robert Kennedy Jr. If that was the only thing that was decided, he could have gone back to his advisory committee and said, hey, the way they threw it out was they basically said, you did not run this decision through your advisory committee, the ACIP committee at cdc. Therefore, we're going to say it's not legal. Now, what's crazy, Steve, is that that advisory committee, it's not written in stone. Even when they make a recommendation, the CDC doesn't have to adhere to it. It's only a recommendation. So how is it a recommendation can be mandated by a court to say you have to go through a process that you don't even have to pay attention to once it's happened? The whole thing is absurd. But look, Kennedy could have gone and said okay to the advisory committee he is now put together. They want us to weigh in on this. Do you accept the Denmark schedule? But the judge want to step further, further, and basically said he doesn't recognize the entire advisory committee that Robert Kennedy Jr. Put together. This is, again, the American Academy of Pediatrics is saying, the new committee that Robert Kennedy Jr. Had put together is not fair. It doesn't have enough pharmaceutical representatives on it. It doesn't have enough people that make money off of vaccines on it, which was the entire purpose of Robert Kennedy Jr. Taking this job at HHS. It's why he ran for president. It's why I was his director of communications. I was excited to be with a candidate that was saying, we are going to kick out the money changers. We are getting rid of the corporate interests that are controlling our regulatory agencies. And here, the American Academy of Pediatrics finds an activist judge to say, no, you're not allowed to take the special interests out of a sip PhRMA has to have a seat at that table so that they can vote on making money for themselves. The whole thing is so incredibly corrupt. We're really hoping that the Trump administration will appeal this, but I'm also hearing that Robert Kennedy Jr. Might say that process would take so long. Maybe there's some rumors he might just disband a CIP and then just reallocate it all over again with whatever new rules are set up. But this is a judge and think about what's happened now. What he's saying is you can't approve any new vaccine schedule without an advisory committee. And then he fired the entire advisory committee. What is a judge? So a judge has the ability to fire and hire a CIP members, but the voted on elected HH secretary is not. The whole thing is outrageous. But right now this judge has put America in peril. Now, if we are attacked by a bioweapon, there is no advisory committee that is recognized that could approve a vaccine if that was one of the things we're going to try to do to protect us if there's a new flu shot or anything. So you want to talk about if they're worried about the vaccine program, they just eliminated any new vaccine from being approved because they just fired the committee that has to do it. So this is a disaster. I think it will probably be overturned if it's appealed. But I'll tell you this, Steve, if it doesn't get appealed, the work that I do at the nonprofit Informed Consent Action Network that I started as you know, we sue the government all the time. We've won against fda, cdc, nih. I would love for there to be precedence that says fairness is important when selecting ACIP advisory committee members because it hasn't been fair. It has been a pharma controlled pharma shill. You know, sitting panel of people that make money off the vaccines, they make money for themselves every time they vote on this committee. It's why every single vaccine has been rubber stamped for the last three or four decades. So if there's a precedence out there where they can say fairness is mandatory when selecting this committee, my nonprofit will use that and we will sue future HHS secretaries if they try to go back to pharma controlled advisory committees. So this can slice both ways. They want to open it up, they want to get judges involved here, then we will use that to our advantage too.

[Steve Dace]

Well, that was a force of nature. Dell. Thank you, brother. Good to see you. God bless you, man. That was fantastic. Thank you.

[Dale Bigtree]

All right, man. Love you. Take care.

[Steve Dace]

Take care. We'll come back. Hour two, Buy Seller hold is next. Stay tuned. Well, if you're not fired up after that conversation we said with Dell Bigtree, you're not, you're not living. I mean that, that'll clear your nostrils right there. We're back here with hour two, live and on demand here on Blaze tv, radio and podcast. Steve Dace here with Todders and Aaron McIntyre. And you can let us know what you think about what we think via the stevedace.com inbox by emailing us. Steve dace.com that's D E A C E like us on Facebook, Me, we and Gab. Follow me at Steve Dash show on X Instagram and Tick Tock. Subscribe to our new new how many new YouTube channels at DACE show on YouTube. At DACE show on YouTube. D E A C E. And if you are a podcast listener, make sure you're subscribed by hitting this, the the podcast button there. If you're on a Spotify or Pod Bay or podbean or you can click follow if you're on Apple itunes. And that's why that way you're going to know for sure that every time we do a new episode, it's for sure right there inside your podcast feed. And then also don't forget if you're a podcast listener to please leave us a five star review. Over tens of thousands of you have done that for us. So we appreciate each and every one of those. And we'd appreciate that too if you guys would keep coming back with that. And more and more they help the show to grow and also to affirm our fragile male egos. So thank you. This part of the show brought to you by our friends over at Preborn, you guys have been so generous with this partnership between the Blaze and Preborn for the last few years. And this month here in the month of March, Preborn is praying and believing to save 6,800 babies and their mamas. I would add as well. That takes 124 partners saying yes to funding a $28 ultrasound every single day. Maybe some of you can do more than that. For $140, you might save five babies in one fell swoop. Every dollar goes to helping to save babies. It's tax deductible, your donation in any amount and it's a five star charity and I can't give it a better recommendation than our own family has donated money to preborn. So preborn.com Steve is where you can go that's preborn.com. steve, make that donation today. Just $28 could save a life and maybe eternal life for [e-mail] Steve. And with that, are we ready for some buy seller hold?

[Todders]

Always.

[Steve Dace]

All right, the prophet of woe and lamentation will join us at the bottom of the hour. But until then, it is your turn. All right, so you guys know the rules by now. You submit the submissions to Aaron. We have no idea what they are. We have not seen any of them. Todd, you and I are going to buy it. We're going to sell it, maybe even tell the audience why we did what we did. We are permitted to hold, but that is considered such a punk move that it requires some form of humiliation, ritual, corporal punishment from the. From the. The dude code perspective. Right? So this week, I think the punishment should be that. You have to go through Lindsey Graham's search history of the last three weeks of epic fury. You got to go through Lindsey Graham's search history, all of it. What it's looked like for the last few weeks since we started bombing Iran. That's your penalty if you invoke the hold.

[Todders]

I'll pass.

[Steve Dace]

Aaron, fire away.

[Aaron McIntyre]

You know why I never work hard? I mean, you know, I never put these in order. However, today I actually wanted to highlight one at the very top because it is one of the smartest things and most helpful ways to think about one of the most pressing issues in terms of knowing thy enemy and the stakes at hand. And it's from somebody whose name I don't recognize having submitted before.

[Steve Dace]

Okay. All right, I'm in.

[Aaron McIntyre]

Wesley Thiessen says transgenderism is the demonic parody of baptism. Remorse for God given physical nature replaces repentance of sinful nature. Both promise new life and a new nature or identity. Both are a public declaration of faith.

[Todders]

Yeah, bye.

[Steve Dace]

I'll buy that. That packs a wallop right there. I mean, that'll preach right there. I mean, I'm only hesitating just because I'm even considering just how profound that observation really is and applying it, you know, my own headspace a little more comprehensively than even Wesley does there, because that is. That'll preach, brother. That'll preach. I mean, I think you absolutely nailed it 100%.

[Todders]

It's like Seth Grouper says that, and he's saying it as a Protestant, but he's saying that abortion is the demonic image of the Eucharist.

[Steve Dace]

Right. I've heard him walk through that before. Yeah, and that's. That is. That is very, very well said. By Wesley, all the buys. And Aaron, that was very astute of you to move that one to the front of the line. You bet. Now the bar is very high, though, for everybody else.

[Aaron McIntyre]

Well, I think Dacey and Memes for pumpkin spiced Queens has met that bar and raised it. Steve Dase, when it's pumpkin spice.

[Steve Dace]

Yes, absolutely.

[Aaron McIntyre]

Trump. I don't know if that's an AI image or not, if that's really grabbed from one of his.

[Todders]

I'm sure it's real.

[Steve Dace]

I'm sure it's real. So remember I told you guys last summer that I had gone. I mean, I really went all in at the end of the holidays and stacked up on the. The pumpkin spice, you know, cereals and snacks, so I'd have a. The supply for the off year. And then when we got to, like, July, I was like, it's. I shouldn't have done that. It's too much. And now I'm not looking as much forward to it in August as I typically would. Right. I think this year I did it right. Okay. So I did a little bit, but way more in moderation. I mean, like, I had a. I had a cabinet full in the garage last year at this time. Right. Way more in moderation. And I'm down to. I've got one box apiece of booberry, a pumpkin spice, Special K, and the pumpkin spice.

[Todders]

The mic is on right now, to be clear.

[Steve Dace]

And pumpkin spice, sugar, frosted flakes. I've just got one. All right. And I'm just, you know, just gonna save them for a day. Like in May, it's warm, mowing the lawn, and I'm like, man, I'm looking forward to fall. Bust out the little blueberry. Just. And just, just, just a taste. Not having it completely available. Just kind of like Christmas in July, you know, kind of a thing.

[Todders]

Still on.

[Steve Dace]

Okay.

[Todders]

Still on.

[Steve Dace]

I'm actually very proud of myself.

[Todders]

It is a moment of growth. But you remind, like, going to Israel, we were going to have Mike's hot all the time. I wish we had Mike's hot. As your internal dialogue is going on in these moments, you're like Bilbo at the beginning of Fellowship of the Ring, where he's debating what to. Why shouldn't I keep it?

[Steve Dace]

Yes, exactly. I think this is. I am demonstrating growth, restraint, maturity. Yes. I am indulging in the off season in moderation. I actually thought.

[Todders]

Or it could just be the off season.

[Steve Dace]

I thought this was for my standards anyway.

[Todders]

Oh, that's true.

[Steve Dace]

I think that was a putt down. Go ahead, Aaron.

[Aaron McIntyre]

Bob Crawl is next. Who says it's time for assassin Dace to come out on the anti TP USA Idiots.

[Steve Dace]

I appreciate it, but I think Apostle Dace is just fine because apostles did righteous rebukes, right? And didn't look to condemn, but convict. And it is also very apostolic to say, hey, that, that, that dude with his arm around and his stepmom in the front row, throw him out. Okay? It's a it. I. I want to make sure everybody understands what apostolic means. Apostolic does not mean. Apostle does not. An assassin is just. Is just killing. All right? An apostle will. An apostle will feed the sheep and shoot the wolves. An apostle will. But first we'll determine what's a sheep and what's a wolf. Right? Okay. All right. There's not a kill list or a target list, and it's not one that you yourself have kind of determined who belongs on that list. You're appealing to a higher authority. You're giving. Listen, I am confident. I gave Tucker Carlson every opportunity I possibly could. I tried. Like the person who asked me yesterday, hey, have you thought about going, I mean, how many times. How many. How many times are you guys aware of. Of me trying to reach him privately in the last year and a half that the audience doesn't even know about? I mean, I have tried. I have. Okay? I've tried. I've tried. And I just think now, though, when we're getting to the point that you. It's one thing that this is largely an online discourse that means it's serious. It matters. The people involved in it are serious and matter.

[Aaron McIntyre]

Okay.

[Steve Dace]

But there's a certain level of disagreement or disdain that I think is, Is. Is appropriate if it's largely just relegated to that space. Right, but now that you're gonna. Now that you're gonna run an op on our commander in chief in the middle of a war and include in that, hey, just so you know, I'm willing to testify on behalf of the guy who murdered Charlie. And you go on Megyn Kelly's show and you say, megan, I can't believe this. They just stopped investigating when the fingerprints matched and he confessed. Is there a more potent possible other than they videotaped the bullet leaving his gun at point blank range? Is there. Is there a more potent combination of evidence other than the most unique, confirmable, you know, forensic piece of evidence humankind has yet. Has yet been able to. To discover being confirmed followed by said confirmations, confession? Can you think of a. How many people are in prison for a lot less evidence than that right now.

[Todders]

Quite a few lots.

[Steve Dace]

And it's at that point now I think we have gone beyond the realm of this is a serious debate, but largely an online thing to now you're interfering with real world events, including interfering with a trial that frankly the country and our movement desperately needs, desperately needs a, A clean trial of Tyler Robinson and or a, A clear plea bar plea agreement from him where he just pleads guilty and never has it. People need to see what's going on. Right. They need to see what the statement of evidence is and everything else. And, and now that Joe Kent wants to interfere in that just because he can't handle it, for whatever his reasons are, that Yuri Manischewitz from the seventh floor of Mossad headquarters is not on tape personally calling in the hit on Charlie Kirk to affirm his narrative. We can't live this way as a movement, we can't live this way as a country. And we certainly cannot be aligned with such people. And I won't be. And so I think, let me tell you, the assassin Steve, the stuff you heard yesterday, you might have heard that stuff like six months ago. I gave everyone every opportunity I possibly knew how and could to not have it get to this point. And yet they chose to let it get to this point. And so now the apostles other job is hey, I tried to feed the sheep. I tried. And now I have to proverbially of course shoot the wolves. I have to keep the wolves away from the sheep. And, and that's where we are now, I think anyway.

[Todders]

Agreed.

[Aaron McIntyre]

You know, something just popped into my head.

[Steve Dace]

Sure.

[Aaron McIntyre]

Buy, sell or hold a foreign nexus was smart enough, powerful enough, intricate enough and complicated enough to carry out a hit job, an assassination on Charlie Kirk and also cover it up with some of the most exquisite forensic coverups in the history of mankind while also not being powerful enough, smart enough, intricate enough to nip any, any to nip any provocations to actually uncovering this, their dirty deeds right at the same time.

[Steve Dace]

Right.

[Aaron McIntyre]

Buy seller hold.

[Steve Dace]

I mean you're. Dude. Yeah, yeah.

[Aaron McIntyre]

Smart and powerful enough to carry out a hit. Not smart and powerful enough to nip the nip the revelations of the COVID up up in the Buddha.

[Steve Dace]

I mean it's this, this is the heart of every Jewish conspiracy. So these people have been secretly controlling the world all this time, but for 1800 years could not manage to even have their own country. They couldn't even figure out. They couldn't even, they couldn't even leverage the world to Give them their country back for 1800 years, but they've really been running the show and controlling the planet all this time. This stuff, when you say it out loud, it all sounds because it is, because it is. So Joint wants him to continue investigating after they have confirmed ballistics in a confession. What would we investigate? What is there to investigate? You would, you would become a prosecution at that point. Erica killed her husband or was someone in on it? But yet she wants an open trial televised so everyone can see this is, this stuff's everyone who's fallen for it is. And just like we said during COVID even if, even if our show is not necessarily adherence to this particular eschatology, we all said at the time that really for the first time we could, we could see in practicum how something like a, a one world government and an antichristical character uniquely in charge just comes out of nowhere and takes over by what we saw and Del alluded to this last hour. How I mean essentially every nation on earth imposed the exact same draconian policies on their people with a couple of exceptions, regardless of religious differences, custom differences, geopolitical differences, language barriers without a shot fired. Right? And they, they all just like Thanos snapped and all put, put this all on their people planet wide. Right? That was kind of like that's a proof of concept that something like this could, could actually happen. Right. Well, one of the things that Jesus says about those days in Matthew 20:24, in Matthew 24:24 is that the deception would be so rich in those days that even the elect could be deceived if God had not, would not shorten that time. How many people have you seen that you thought were otherwise sober minded or you knew or people that follow you in your feeds that you thought were otherwise sober minded who have just completely lost their damned minds to this more

[Todders]

than ever before, the very same people will say who said, Steve, you saved my life during COVID That's why it's so perfect. We're talking about both of these issues on the show. You saved my life during COVID They are the ones who now think Carrie Projean. Buller is like Helen of Troy.

[Steve Dace]

Carrie Projean is not doing anything that me. Del Big Tree's movie, by the way, it's called. What's it called? What's the title of it? An Inconvenience Skepticism. Is that the title of it? It is not an inconvenient never asked, never ending asking of questions. Is that what it's called? Is it called an inconvenient question. Everything. Is that what it's called?

[Todders]

No.

[Steve Dace]

What's it called?

[Todders]

The truth.

[Steve Dace]

Inconvenient. Study. Study. Study, study study. Which means people did research, found facts. That's what the. His skepticism is based on, facts. I didn't sit here during COVID Don't tell me what my Covid work was. I did it. I'm the one that worked those 19 hour days. I'm the, I'm the one that had anxiety attacks in the middle of the night during that period of time. For the first time in my life, for the amount of just absolute wickedness I was, I was absorbing from what they were doing to all of you in our audience and what you were telling me about it. I know what I was doing. Looking for facts and data, not speculations. That's why we put more footnotes in Fauci and Bargain than we had pages. That's why Daniel and I went and got footnotes, research, and then eyewitness testimonies. We didn't just speculate. A biblical worldview is not about just asking questions. It's about finding answers. Christianity is not the endless asking of questions. It's the ceaseless seeking of answers. It is the devil himself who says, did God really say over and over and over again with no hope of ever actually finding what ultimate truth might be? Christianity is the hope of ultimate truth as demonstrated by the fact that either, as we're to commemorate here in about 12 days, either a carpenter from Nazareth died on that cross or on the third day he walked out of that tomb proving he's more than a carpenter. Send me evidence. No one ever has. Send evidence to the Utah authorities. No one ever has. And this is just like Kavanaugh. What did I say during Kavanaugh? If you have evidence that Brett Kavanaugh was part of a marauding band of rapists in Georgetown in 1982 with where there is no, by the way, statute of limitations on rape.

[Dale Bigtree]

Call the police.

[Steve Dace]

Call the police. I don't, don't, don't post on Twitter. Call the cops. Call your Facebook page has no power to do something about the fact Brett Kevin Oz and an. An. An unarrested unindicted rapist. The police do the Candace Owens podcast. Joe Kent's meanderings. They, they, they are not empowered to do anything about this. The Utah authorities are. Call them. Present your evidence. Show us what you have. Well, Steve, it's precisely that we don't have any evidence is why we have to investigate. What do we typically call investigations that begin without Evidence, but are in search of them. Star chambers. Tyranny, oppression, witch hunts. Yes, okay. We investigate things based on evidence, not looking for it. I mean, no. And you know, I doubt like any of them are subscribers, but a handful of people have come at me this morning on X. I just want you and all of them to know. I don't want to make any money off any of you threatening me. I'll double down. Even if I'll. I'll stick with something I don't even. I'm not even sure is right. If you threaten me just out of spite, that will never work. But I need you to understand. I. I am not. I'm not hurt that you're leaving me. I'm trying to drive you away. I think you. I just need to make that clear. You can't fire me. I quit. I mean, I'm part of the sifting. I'm sifting you out. I don't want you here. You're polluting the ecosystem and making everyone else around you as you. So I just want to make that. I'm. I'm. I. You know, again, apostles, not assassins. I'm. I'm here to feed the sheep. And so if you're a wolf, I'm here to drive you out before you devour the sheep. I don't want your money. I'd rather go work back at the mailroom at Blue Cross Blue Shield than have to make a living catering my content and times and talents and treasures to the likes of you. Your offense, in fact, affirms me. Your offense at what I'm doing tells me I'm doing the right thing. So not only. You're not hurting me. This is the desired response. Thank you for your attention to this matter.

[Aaron McIntyre]

You didn't ask for it, but I second.

[Steve Dace]

Thank you.

[Aaron McIntyre]

Next we go to Jonathan, who says if your submission to buy, sell, or hold causes Steve and Todd to filibuster a whole segment of overtime, the game must be cleansed. And you should be muted by Aaron for 30 days so that all righteousness may be fulfilled.

[Steve Dace]

I'm not sure what provocated that, except that's probably the 70 times that's probably happened I got. So I will buy. Okay? Yeah, I'll buy. It's sufficiently snotty.

[Aaron McIntyre]

Next is Tom, who says Talarico and Mamdani are the same person, except one has a beard and the other one is a Muslim.

[Steve Dace]

I mean, listen, man, like I've told you, the Church of Hell has denominations, too, so. You bet.

[Todders]

Yes.

[Steve Dace]

Yeah.

[Aaron McIntyre]

China Compass says too Obvious buy seller hold. Trump poked China in both eyes by postponing his long awaited meeting with Xi and meeting with the lady president of Japan at the same time.

[Steve Dace]

I could foresee that this is accurate, that there's a lot of poking of China going on right now. Ok. And again, I'm not against any of this. I just, the American people need to see a faster benefit to all of this, that's all. And right now they're not. And that's why we're, you know, losing seats. And I mean, we just lost the Mar A Lago legislative district in Florida last night, I believe. Did we not? Didn't I see that story?

[Todders]

I didn't.

[Steve Dace]

I believe we did. I believe, now that I believe.

[Aaron McIntyre]

I mean, the states for state house.

[Steve Dace]

Yeah. State legislature. Yeah. And, yeah. And so the Democrats just won, you know, Trump's home district in a state, in the state legislative district last night

[Aaron McIntyre]

and Republicans showed up to.

[Steve Dace]

Yeah. So we have, we have got to, we have, we have got to deliver for the American people at the rate we're trying to, at the very least at an equal rate that it looks like we're trying to deliver for the Iranian people right now. Because the perception of the American people is that wasn't happening before this started as based on the numbers of what was happening to us. And I don't think this is helping those numbers. That's all. I'm, I'm fine poking China. I'm fine doing it all. I'm, I'm fine again. I'm fine. I am fine turning, you know, every, every building that we suspect may house the third cousin of an Iranian Republican or, you know, Revolutionary Guard member into a, you know, into a glass parking lot. I'm fine doing that from here until Jesus returns, provided that the American people are seeing the residual and far more immediate benefits thereof. Hear, hear. But we do have to prioritize our own people at some point here. Okay. And I, and I kind of think that, you know, you can't. On one hand, we can't run from Minneapolis and then run to Tehran. I just don't think that'll work politically. I think the numbers are demonstrating. I'm right about that. You know, I just want to win, that's all.

[Aaron McIntyre]

Next is Ryan the Christo fascist porter who says young Christian men are being told that if they don't want to marry the girl who has been run through by 30 guys and then suddenly decided wants kids in a nice house in the suburbs, that they are denying the gospel. These young men are. And aren't even saved. Something has to be done about this culture of I'm ready to settle down now that is prevalent in young women these days. Buy, sell, or hold.

[Steve Dace]

I think both sides of this argument are an overgeneralization. That's what I think. I mean, and I would also say this. And I say this as someone who is from the firstborn of the porn generation and has been fighting every man's battle since I was 12 years old. Okay. If you're gonna. If you want that standard, you're welcome to it. I don't inherently think it's unrighteous. Might be unrealistic. But then, man, I hope you've. Hope you've never looked at a woman with lust, because according to the same law of Christ that you are citing, you are every bit as guilty of violating that law as the woman with the high body count that you're talking about. So it cuts both ways. So just remember that.

[Todders]

Yeah. I don't. Make sure you start with physician, heal thyself.

[Steve Dace]

Yep.

[Todders]

So I'm seconding what Steve is saying on some front.

[Steve Dace]

Do we Listen, I don't think you're a terrible man if you think, I'm not sure I could marry a woman and raise another man's kid. I don't think you're automatically terrible. I don't think you're automatically terrible if you're like, I'm not sure I can handle being married to a woman who I know has an exceedingly high body count and has probably done things with other men she'll never do with me. I don't think you're inherently terrible. I don't. Okay. But I also think to just completely broaden that to. That's some kind of moral absolute when Rahab is just sitting there in the. The line of dissension of our. Of our Lord. It's just not. It goes too far. You're welcome to your own conscience, and I don't blame you on those kinds of things, provided you're willing to live by your own standards. And that's not going really well these days in general. Right. Okay. But provided you're willing to hold yourself to the same purity standards, you want to hold members of the opposite sex too. I don't inherently have a problem with it. But to make it look like that is some kind of, like, theologically precise position is also not accurate. It might be your conscience and what your conscience can bear, and I respect that we should respect conscience. Scriptures make that very clear, including in Romans, which we just went through but your conscience is not the conviction of the scriptures. At the same time, okay, the conservative

[Todders]

bro sphere is you just get online and see it. Wakes up in the morning, goes to bed at night thinking about how it can degrade women.

[Steve Dace]

So there's a lot of that too.

[Todders]

This just makes it too easy. And take care of, really. We're men. Take. We have to take care of our tribe.

[Aaron McIntyre]

Next we go to Josh Showers, who says communities will die that don't accept the economic boom that data centers will create. Buy, sell, or hold sell.

[Todders]

I don't. The. The in the inevitability of progress is. This is a liberal lie that keeps getting us over and over again. When it has to do with technology, when it has to do with anything, think the church, gender, belief, it's always this, the inevitability of this direction. Otherwise we die. It's all a choice. It's all a choice. And usually the people are the one picking the path of least resistance. If we think data centers are just inevitable, I don't know. That's not a Christian worldview.

[Steve Dace]

I don't disagree with that at all. I agree with everything you just said. But I am still going to buy, and here's why. Because I think total depravity is also a Christian worldview. And I, and I do believe there are forces at work in this world who are so. So are. Are so adamant about imposing this on us that they would rather let those communities die than offer alternatives to this narrative. See what I'm trying to say? Okay. That if. That if the alternative narrative is your rural community finds another path to being revitalized so that your kids and grandkids want to stay or they get their way, they would choose. They get their way over finding another way. I think that's true too. I think we're dealing with those kinds of forces, especially when you're talking about companies, most of the people are going to work. These data centers are not Americans. So right away, right away you're undefinitely yoked. Right away you're unevenly oaked. And by the way, I'm not even as close to like, anti AI as Daniel is, and maybe some of Todd is, okay? Because I do think the technology is inevitable, all right? And I think it can be used for a lot of good. But I. But the agenda of much of the. Too much of the agenda of what's pushing this technology does not necessarily have America's parochial local national interest in mind. And they're fine letting your rural community just die. Then if you won't do what they want and just going somewhere else,

[Aaron McIntyre]

John says you're not going to Israel next month.

[Steve Dace]

Bye. Yeah, we actually, we. I got huddled together with the trip organizers over the weekend and we made the final call. It was supposed to wait until April 1st, but now that we're talking, is it a five day ceasefire, 30 day cease? I mean, it's just way too much uncertainty. There aren't really any dates later in the year between. We have to moderate, of course, how much time we take off in the fall with the election. We all have personal things on our schedules. So now we're going to hope that we can do it next February in the same timetable that we were trying to do it this year is what we're going to hope to do now. You are correct by next.

[Aaron McIntyre]

Is this from Jim, who says michael the archangel says a prayer to Chuck Norris before going into battle.

[Todders]

I like that.

[Steve Dace]

Oh, you made me snort. That's good. It's not as good as. Nor is Chuck delivering the eulogy at his own funeral. Meme. That, that one is still fantastic. Okay, that one is fantastic. But you got a snort out of me. That was well played. I like it. Bye.

[Todders]

Absolutely. Bye.

[Aaron McIntyre]

I think that's gonna be it for this. We've got several more submissions. Over 10 submissions. One or two in the overtime.

[Steve Dace]

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[Daniel Horowitz]

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[Daniel Horowitz]

Yeah, I mean, imagine if we had GOP made bed sheets, what that would look like. That's sort of what the election looks like right there. Don't even talk about the bacteria and other stuff on that bed. Look, every, every Tuesday we're going to have this. And we've had it. We've had it for 14 months. And frankly, with the exception of the top of the ticket, November 2024, we've really had an endless stream for years now. Everyone isolates it to that state and that situation. No, it's your type of Republican. My type of Republican. That's why you lost all these factors. But you can't isolate each Tuesday night. You have to put it all together. And again, this result is remarkably consistent mathematically with what we're seeing everywhere and what we're seeing in the polling data. And that is Republicans actually did a little bit better while losing to legislative seats, one House and one Senate seat. They did a little bit better, except not really. It's consistent. There's two types of elections that you're seeing, special elections. And also, by the way, it's not just special. You had the 2025 November regular elections, they're kind of off season, but the Virginia and other elections in that Republicans either lose by 15 to 30 or underperform by 15 to 30 or they'll underperform by about 10. There's, there's two scenarios we're seeing, but they're really the same scenario. The ones that they Underperform by about 10, like last night, 1 was 13, 1 was 8, 1 was just an underperformance of 5. That was the one they kept the other ones flipped. That's when Republicans actually turn out, but they still lose. So I was watching throughout the day, people were commenting, oh, this looks like it won't go the way of the others. And because of strong Republican turnout and then you come and Republicans lose. Well, what happened in the Mar? A Lago district in Palm beach county where Trump resides? Trump won it by, I believe, 12 or 11. He won it by 11. The Republicans beat Democrats and turnout by nine pretty good. So plus nine. They lost by two because they lost the independent vote, something like two to one, independent or nonpartisan, whatever they call it there. And that was a similar story in the Tampa based district, which is a little bit more purple. That was the Senate seat that they lost where, you know, Republicans outspent the Democrat you know, seven to one or something. So Florida has more of a robust Republican Party and a little bit more of a prideful brand. And you have the governor there. Uh, they've gotten a little bit more done, although it's been ground to a halt with the legislature. And, and one of the ones who want. Who ran was a part of that, one of Perez's lackeys in Tampa. But I'm not going to sit and tell you, Steve, that, oh, you run one of our candidates. I don't. I don't know if that would matter with the economy this bad and the MAGA and GOP in general brand mud among independents. That is just a reality. This is what's going to continue happening. The reason this is important is because you can't say, oh, well, this is because it's a special. They're caught by surprise. They didn't prepare, didn't have the GOP turnout. But November, you're not going to have those problems because here it's built into the performance. They did perform a little bit better, the Republicans turned out. But what this essentially means is that you need something to probably be. What have I been saying, Steve, about R 15 and more to make up for getting slaughtered among independents. That's how much more GOP it needs to be. That's. That's pretty bad math.

[Steve Dace]

How much of this is. And, hey, eight. Reagan lost 30 House seats, about a half dozen governorships in 82. All right, Bill Clinton got completely. Or George H.W. bush lost the, the, the generic congressional ballot by eight points in 1990. Bill Clinton got annihilated by the Contract with America in 1994. George W. Bush won the midterms of O2 coming off 9 11, and then got absolutely mollywopped in the 2006 midterms, you know, after that. Okay, we. We mollywopped Barack Obama in not one, but two midterm elections in 2010. And then in 2014, Trump lost 40 House seats in 2018. Right. So there's a. There's a natural resistance here, you know, a pushback after whichever party it is wins the presidential election. How much of this is that? How much of this is. Is that plus something else? And then what it would. What would that something else be?

[Daniel Horowitz]

Brilliant. Tee up, Steve. And that's a very good observation, except you skipped one data point. You stopped at 2018. What about 2022? And therein lies the rub.

[Steve Dace]

Well, there's a reason I stopped at 2022, but. Yes, go ahead.

[Daniel Horowitz]

Yeah, no, exactly. Because Biden should have gotten. That should have been the ultimate slaughtering. And he did it. And that I think that kind of sews up the point. The difference between now and before is a couple things. So first of all, yeah, there's a certain amount that's built in. I would believe even a decent GOP with a decent track record accomplishing a lot of things, they would lose the House, right? Because I mean just the historical average, you lose like 25 seats, they only have a five seat majority, they're going to lose the House. The difference here is it's going to be the Senate, it's going to be governorships, it's going to be, you know, Georgia, Arizona, Wisconsin, legislatures, things like that. Possibly your own state of Iowa, Ohio. That's where the rub lies. But it's even worse than that. You can't go back to 94 to Reagan. The country was a lot more volatile in terms of the realm of, of outcomes, of what each party could win and cross over. With the polarization now in recent years, it's moved very little. And you saw that in 2022. So it would be okay if we slaughtered the Democrats in 2022, they come and slaughter us in 2026. But the problem is it's built upon 17, 18, 20, 22, 23, 24, 25, 26, six down ballot, Republicans underperforming, then have a result like this. This, that's a big problem. So what that tells you is it's some of it's baked in, but some of it is the economy is really bad and they have just nothing going for them. They have no narrative. They just look like a bunch of corporatist, corrupt, bizarre priorities sitting there like putting out these gay ads. Fight, fight, fight. I mean, again, that plays with cat turd on Twitter. But it's like you, you look at what the Democrats ran in Tampa last night. I looked him up. Navy veteran, electrician, family man. Of course they, they all lie when they get in and they're, you know, radical Marxists. But the point is they're not stupid. They're, they're running on a lot of what I say are sort of demeanor. And the Republican candidates look a lot more like what Trump originally railed against in 2016. That's the problem they're having now. And it's a bad economy. Now if you want to give a historical precedent, I would say you're right. I would compare it to 2006. That's where it's similar to that, where there was just no redeeming qualities. And Outcomes left to Bush, you just had Iraq. You were squandering your capital on things we didn't even believe in. You weren't getting anything good at it, and then you had the financial collapse. So that's what I would say we're most similar to.

[Steve Dace]

Now, this is a very favorable Senate map. Okay? Very favorable. I mean, the battlegrounds are Georgia, which is. Is. Is. Has. Has been more blue friendly, but still overall has trended red. Michigan, which Trump has won twice, I would argue three times. And Gretchen Whitmer is kind of like one of the untold stories is Democrats are actually declining in popularity statewide in the state of Michigan as we speak. Kind of Whitmer fatigue. She's been there for almost 10 years now. Okay. Maine, where Republicans can win, all right, but it's not friendly, but it's not terrible. North Carolina, where Republicans are typically favored to win. Texas, where Democrats haven't won a statewide race since 1996, and Alaska, which is a very traditional Republican state. These are the battleground states this year. And Ohio and Ohio, which. Which for the. For what Trump has done in terms of hemorrhaging suburban voters, that is one of the swing states, along with my home state of Iowa, that he has made more red than it was before his emergence. I mean, that's why I want to know what the something else is, because this is still a pretty favorable Senate map for Republicans. So what's the something else, and can they fix that? Something else?

[Daniel Horowitz]

Yeah, I mean, the something else is that you bled white suburban voters in exchange for a motley crew coalition that they put together of newer voters that they're failing to reassemble. So then.

[Steve Dace]

Well, and some of that. Some of that coalition is stabbing you in the back. You know, the Joe Kent's, the Marjorie Taylor Greene's, they're kind of the people that kind of, you know, rode the Trump coattails to get where they're at. They're stabbing him in the back right now as we speak. That. That very quirky coalition that you're describing.

[Daniel Horowitz]

Yeah. So that's what you're left with. You're left with all the liabilities and not the benefits. Like you said, you can't take everything from Trump. You have to give him credit for Ohio, Iowa, things like that. And it was. It was a give and take. But if you look very carefully, now that we have a decade of observations, we have a fuller picture. What it has essentially said is that when Trump himself was running as a challenger on the ballot, not an incumbent, he. That coalition Was able to. It was polarizing, but it was able to come out as a net benefit for him. Primarily, I would have 2016. Did you know, he pulled people up. That was across the board, very good year. But since then, it's essentially been a loser, except for him at the top in 2024 when he was on the ballot. But you take that away now, you're left with all the liabilities and none of the benefits. And again, Steve, we have not seen numbers like this with independence. Typically, you know, each party has their base, and then, okay, the one that crushes it wins the indies by five, by seven. I mean, they're losing indies.

[Steve Dace]

I mean, Trump. Trump essentially got a draw with Indies in 2025. In 2024, it was essentially a draw. Okay? So, I mean, this is a precipitous decline. A precipitous decline. You won him in 2016, he lost him by several points in 2020, and then he got a draw in 2024. So there's a precipitous decline here. How much is the current war in Iran aiding and abetting or. Or bulwarking against anything that you're talking about?

[Daniel Horowitz]

So again, everyone, see, everyone's going to have their confirmation bias. You know, everyone's going to. If it's Iran, it's going to be that. If it's, you know, you know, issues that I care about, immigration is going to be that. This type of Republican. That. That type of Republican. My point is this has been going on relentlessly for a long time. Iran just happened. Nothing new. Nothing new happened last night. Again, if anything, they did better. Republicans turned out, but the indie numbers have been consistent. So the answer is the economy is terrible. Republicans have no narrative, no plan for it. There's nothing laterally that they're doing that's so amazing that could even somewhat offset for that. And yes, I gotta say this. After 11 years of Trump, outside of the very core base, which is gonna turn out in November, they will vote. But that's not enough. There is fatigue from Trump and his image and his personality and his quirks and his focus. I mean, that's. You put that all together and it's at least Bush 2006. But you know what happened there? 0608 Democrats came back for more because Bush was still president. So he still had the face of it, even though they won a lot of power and they were able to do a one, two punch. So, I mean, I think this is what we're staring down now. The Iran thing could just accentuate the point that the economy is horrible, obviously it's not going to help and you're just always focused on other things and other projects. But, but fundamentally, let's be clear, they were underperforming in about three dozen consecutive legislative races. They flipped 12 of them, four of them the last month before the Iran

[Steve Dace]

war in a minute. How important does this make now, state races like, say, Chip Roy running for Attorney General in Texas? Because we're going to need, we're going to need all the statewide bulwarks, all right, up against what you're describing happening nationally as we can possibly get.

[Daniel Horowitz]

It's everything. It's. It's literally what Sam Adams said three weeks before the Declaration of Independence, before the Revolutionary War. He said before the Pennsylvania legislature. Our contest will decide whether we have one refuge for civil and religious liberty in this world. And. And we're lost. We're screwed. That's why red state primaries are everything. And Attorney General, who do you want against Mamdani Newsom, aoc that whole motley crowd. Do you want him or do you want some AI Republican.

[Steve Dace]

Good to see you, my friend. Thank you.

[Daniel Horowitz]

Take care.

[Steve Dace]

Bye bye. You bet. All right, we got about two minutes here, guys. Thoughts on what Daniel just had to say.

[Todders]

I think Daniel's analysis at the end there is exactly right about don't over emphasize Iran. That's the point I'm trying to make. And being too concerned about what the markets are saying, people aren't hanging on that because this is not a new issue. This is more playing to type in the minds of people who are paying attention. I just think Daniel really understands that as well as anybody. And it's across a number of issues. And people had high hopes in saving a guy from prison. And in many respects, whether it's his fault or not, they don't feel the return.

[Aaron McIntyre]

And this is a both. I think on that last point, this is probably a both. And you know, this genius idea from Senate Republicans. Oh, we pinky promise we're going to fund ice. We're going to fund deportation efforts in reconciliation. We pinky promised that. Let's just give the Democrats what they want right now. That's a time. Oh, and by the way, we're doing this housing bill too. That's, that's going to create more section 8 and make people who actually want to buy houses make it even harder for them. But we pinky promise we're going to come back and fund this via reconciliation. This is a time, though, as much as we have said that we're placing too many expectations on one man. This type of is where Trump has to say, I'm not signing any of your BS bills until you get your rear gear and start actually working on behalf of the American people. And I'm looking at you, John thune and Mitch McConnell or Katie Britt, whose plan this was attributed to the other day. I'm not doing any of this. Shut it down for as long as I care. Get your act together. That's where we need him to step

[Steve Dace]

up, I think a little bit more. Totally agree. We're stick around. Finished by seller hold and the overtime for subscribers. For the rest of you, we'll see you tomorrow noon to Eastern right after Glenn Beck right here on Blaze TV. Until then, go hard. Romans 8:28. With its two juicy beef patties and three slices of melted cheese topped with

[Aaron McIntyre]

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[Steve Dace]

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