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Wed Mar 25 2026

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Episode Title: We're Going to Need to Start Hearing a Plan for Iran
Air Date: March 25, 2026
Host: Steve Deace (Blaze Podcast Network)
Featured Guest: Del Bigtree
Main Co-hosts: Todders, Aaron McIntyre
Notable Regular: Daniel Horowitz

Episode Overview

Steve Deace and team tackle the escalating situation with Iran and the broader implications of U.S. foreign policy, political strategy, and media misinformation. The team also discusses the lasting effects of the pandemic, censorship of dissenting voices, the political climate ahead of the midterm elections, and the persistent underperformance of Republicans in downballot races. Del Bigtree joins for a passionate segment on medical freedom, censorship, and the ongoing repercussions of COVID-era government and media overreach. The episode closes with analysis on recent political losses, the importance of red state bulwarks, and reflections on the need for clearer plans regarding U.S. involvement with Iran.

Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Iran Crisis & U.S. Policy Confusion

Timestamps: [08:50]–[19:24], [28:08]–[29:46]
The panel expresses growing frustration and uncertainty over the status and strategy of U.S. engagement with Iran.
- Reports on ceasefire negotiations are conflicting; Iran appears to have rejected terms.
- U.S. leadership and objectives are unclear ("Do we have a clue who is running the country right now?" — Steve Deace, [09:46]).
- The White House's claims of "big presents" from Iran are seen as vague and potentially manipulative ("We're getting to the realm of this now where… I was greatly enjoying said spectacle. Right on. But now we're kinda getting into… what does it really mean to severely degrade their military capability?" — Steve Deace, [11:33]).
The hosts worry that without clear end goals ("If we walk away from Iran and the regime is in place, was all this worth it?” — Steve Deace, [11:07]), public support and strategic clarity are lacking.
Discussion questions the wisdom of half-measures and warns against the instability that repeated, limited strikes (“Operation Lawnmower”) might create.

2. Political Accountability & Public Manipulation

Timestamps: [10:31]–[11:16], [13:41]–[16:19]
The group discusses manipulation of both markets and public opinion in the service of political narratives.
- "We care less about manipulating markets and more about the fact that apparently we all accept that we have to constantly manipulate the American public…" — Todders, [10:31]
- Steve laments public apathy: "You're going to need a new American public… because that's just the reality of the world..." — Steve Deace, [10:44]
There's skepticism that Americans will support indefinite military actions or absorb the destabilizing economic consequences for the sake of foreign entanglements.
Lack of honest and transparent communication from U.S. leaders, especially in foreign policy, is highlighted as a major concern.

3. Republican Political Struggles & Future Leadership

Timestamps: [21:01]–[29:46], [81:54]–[89:46]
Discussion of the Republican Party’s continued underperformance, particularly in downballot races.
- Latest special elections in Florida (including Trump’s home district) saw significant losses, even with strong GOP turnout ("They lost by two because they lost the independent vote, something like two to one..." — Daniel Horowitz, [82:35]).
The team debates the meaning of primary polling (JD Vance's odds as the next President) and the influence of online narratives and party fragmentation (“fog of war” similar to the Trump/DeSantis split).
Daniel Horowitz later diagnoses the GOP’s broader systemic issues: loss of suburban and independent voters, lack of narrative, and no lateral wins to offset a "really bad" economy.

4. Del Bigtree Interview — Media Censorship & Medical Freedom

Timestamps: [32:09]–[48:19]
Del Bigtree discusses his recent return to YouTube after years of punitive censorship for challenging COVID narratives.
- "You had Tony Fauci saying, if you're questioning me, you're questioning the science. And then after the pandemic’s all over, in front of Congress, he’s saying the social distancing thing, we just kind of made that up..." — Del Bigtree, [34:33]
Bigtree reports international momentum for vaccine skepticism, citing high levels (~30%) of vaccine refusal worldwide — “There is a rebellion army, an army that knows the truth." [37:23]
He details ongoing legal battles:
- A judge in Massachusetts ruled to block Robert F. Kennedy Jr.’s reduction of mandated child vaccines, requiring more pharma representation on advisory boards.
  - "The whole thing is so incredibly corrupt..." — Del Bigtree, [40:58]
- Bigtree argues these fights are existential for free speech and medical choice.

5. Broader Culture, Religion, and Social Commentary

Timestamps: [52:38]–[53:27], [71:25]–[74:21]
The team explores deeper cultural trends, such as the rise of gender ideology:
- "Transgenderism is the demonic parody of baptism… Both are a public declaration of faith." — Read by Aaron/Attributed to Wesley Thiessen, [52:38]
On dating/marriage double standards, Steve and Todders examine the "conservative brosphere" and remind listeners that moral expectations must be matched by self-reflection and biblical context.

6. Buy/Sell/Hold Segment

Timestamps: [51:08]–[77:46]
This recurring segment features listener-submitted propositions on politics, culture, and faith, triggering lively debate and self-deprecating humor.

7. Closing Segment with Daniel Horowitz

Timestamps: [81:54]–[97:42]
Daniel provides a sobering analysis of GOP electoral prospects, warning of a systemic disadvantage not explained by traditional midterm cycles.
- "With the polarization now in recent years, it's moved very little... it would be okay if we slaughtered the Democrats in 2022, they come and slaughter us in 2026. But... it's built upon... Republicans underperforming, then have a result like this, that's a big problem." — Daniel Horowitz, [86:58]
Emphasizes the importance of red state bulwarks and strong attorney general candidates as potential firewalls against a likely blue wave.

Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

"If we walk away from Iran and the regime is in place, was all of this worth it?"
— Steve Deace, [11:07]
"We're just going to have to mow the lawn in Tehran... I'm fine with that. I don't know how many Americans are adult enough to absorb that."
— Steve Deace, [16:20]
"Transgenderism is the demonic parody of baptism… Both are a public declaration of faith.”
— Submitted by listener Wesley Thiessen, [52:38]
“You have to figure out what will that do long term to your oil supply… who’s going to really protect that and who’s going to be responsible for that?”
— Steve Deace, [17:36]
“There is a rebellion army, an army that knows the truth.”
— Del Bigtree, [37:23]
"That's the 400 pound gorilla behind this story and everything else—that the people like being manipulated."
— Todders, [10:31]
“With the polarization now… it would be okay if we slaughtered the Democrats in 2022, they come and slaughter us in 2026. But... it's built upon... Republicans underperforming, then have a result like this, that's a big problem.”
— Daniel Horowitz, [86:58]

Timestamps for Major Segments

Show Open/What Happened While We Were Away: [04:26]–[08:46]
U.S.–Iran Crisis Discussion: [08:50]–[19:24]; [28:08]–[29:46]; [81:54]–[97:42]
Del Bigtree Interview: [32:09]–[48:19]
Buy/Sell/Hold Segment: [51:08]–[77:46]
Daniel Horowitz Analysis: [81:54]–[97:42]
Closing Thoughts: [95:54]–[97:42]

Overall Tone & Style

The conversation is candid, intellectual, combative, and frequently laced with the “snarky twist” Deace is known for. The hosts combine deep political skepticism with a distinctively faith-informed worldview, often calling out manipulation by both the political class and the media. Moments of humor and personal anecdote temper the often-grim geopolitical and cultural assessments.

Summary Takeaway

The episode urges listeners to demand transparency and serious planning regarding Iran, warns the conservative audience against complacency and political manipulation, and illustrates the downstream effects of leadership voids both in Washington and among the conservative grassroots. The team stresses the need for personal integrity, independent thinking, and local activism as the 2026 elections approach and the global order remains volatile.

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Transcript

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Dale Bigtree (34:33)

Well, I think what it is is it shows that they're owned by one or more industries that would prefer that the narrative be controlled not just on the television sets, which we've, I guess, gotten used to, but, you know, on social media, on platforms on the Internet where the entire purpose of, you know, these platforms was to allow free speech, to allow communities to find each other and, you know, to open up dialogues around the world. It was such a tragedy during, you know, the pandemic or whatever you want to call it, you know, scandemic. But, you know, you had a moment there where the Robert Malone's and the Peter McAuliffe's and the J. Bhattacharyas of the world could have, you know, interacted with, you know, world renowned scientists out there that were finding, discovering hydroxychloroquine and ivermectin. It was a moment where social media had the opportunity to be that worldwide community of sharing information in a crisis. And instead it became just as controlled as China and Russia's media and really, frankly, our own. So, you know, they really killed the dream of what YouTube and, you know, Instagram and Facebook and what these things were supposed to represent. I hope it's coming back around. Look, I think that the topics that we're talking about, we've won these, you know, arguments, Steve. We've, you know, now it's known the vaccine never stopped transmission. We lost channels for saying that when we knew it was the truth. We said it was a lab origin. We lost our, you know, social media channels for, you know, making stuff, statements like that. You had Tony Fauci saying, if you're questioning me, you're questioning the science. And then after the pandemic's all over, in front of Congress, he's saying the social distancing thing. We just kind of made that up. No science there. Never had any science on math. So, Steve, I want to be hopeful, I'm pathologically optimistic that the world has moved so far our direction that social media is not going to make money if it keeps censoring guys like you and me and others that have been right on these topics the whole time. So I feel like the pressure, again, we vote with our dollars, but I hope people will just cut off channels and stop listening to places that do censor great voices. You know, we gotta pressure and really support, you know, the rumbles and those groups that are, you know, saying, we're not going to censor you.

Dale Bigtree (37:23)

The movie you can watch for free@an inconveniencestudy.com it has been a smashing success. We have over 100 million views. Wow. 100 million people have watched it worldwide. Now. I've seen the study that's at the center of this film, the Henry Ford study that compared vaccinated to unvaccinated children. I've seen it debated in parliament in Australia. I'm being invited to Brussels to potentially have an opportunity to speak to parliament there. I'm on an international tour. I'm going to be in Italy at the end of April. I'm going to Japan in July. They're dying to have me come out and talk about what this study was, what this film is about. Australia, New Zealand. So it's opened up the world. I was just in Europe about three weeks ago, and, you know, I discovered something, Steve, that I really hadn't wrapped my head around. When I was in England, you know, a lot of the experts, they were saying, you know, that 70%. We only had a 70% vaccine uptake of the COVID vaccine. 30% of the people in England denied receiving a single COVID vaccine. Then someone was from Denmark was at the meeting. Yeah, same with Denmark and same some guy in Finland. And then Africa is even lower than that. And as it Turns out if you look at it in America is right about the same. I'd say about 30% didn't vaccinate. And so I'm really fascinated right now by this idea that under the greatest propaganda machine, an international attack on humanity by every government of the world, the WHO, WEF, UN, all these globalists in lockstep with our 24 hour a day news cycle, there was still 30% around the world. No matter what your race, your creed, your nation, how your news worked, 30% of humanity said, oh, hell no. I think that there is something we got to think about there. That means there is a rebellion army, an army that knows the truth. And remember, they didn't know there was 30%. We didn't know that there was that many of us. They had us so afraid to talk to each other, so afraid to even bring this up in our workplace. So when they would say, you got to get vaccinated in order to come back to work, I was saying to people, just start talking to everyone at your job. If the numbers hold up the way they are around the country, 30% of you can say, we're walking out of here if you try to force vaccinate us. We've got to recognize that we have an international movement right now. 30% changes governments. They say that, you know, 13 to 15% can change the world. 30%. And then think about the 70% that got that vaccine. How many of them wanted to get it?

Dale Bigtree (40:58)

Yeah, really, really. Probably one of the biggest blows. We've had a lot of successes, so we're getting used to, I think, having the wind at our backs. But this was, you know, that repercussion we've been waiting for. When are those troops of pharma that attacked the world? You know, they're regrouping, they're licking their wounds, they're preparing for their battle. Well, it looks like they're coming back in two different major moves almost within the same time period. In this case, you had a judge, I believe it was in Massachusetts, in a case that the American Academy of Pediatrics brought against Robert Kennedy Jr. And HHS, basically claiming that there would be harm done to, I don't know who, to people if we reduce the vaccine program for people that haven't been paying attention. Donald Trump asked Robert Kennedy Jr. Is there a way to look at the peer nations? Are other first world nations? Are there countries that are giving less vaccines and having success, not having a return to polio or smallpox? Smallpox. Can we look into things like that? And Robert Kennedy Jr. And the team at FDA, CDC, HHS, all the scientists honed in on Denmark, which is also a similar schedule that Germany is using. And he said, let's switch over to the Denmark schedule. And I think they added chickenpox to it. Denmark doesn't give a chickenpox vaccine, but essentially that would reduce the American childhood vaccine schedule from 54 total shots to. To about 26. So almost cutting that toxic load in half. And by the way, not removing those vaccines. I wanna make this really clear. All Robert Kennedy Jr. Did was say, look, those extraneous vaccines that other nations don't think are necessary, why don't we just put those into a category called shared decision making? We recognize that they're there. You should talk to your doctor and have a conversation. So what's amazing is the American Academy of Pediatrics, that is supposed to be looking out for pediatricians and standing for pediatricians, essentially went to the courts and said, we don't want our doctors involved in this process. We don't want them to have a relationship with their patients. We want the government to force all 54 vaccines. We don't want our doctors in a relationship, essentially overriding the power of doctors. Getting back to a world where the doctor patient relationship is what is prioritized in America. No, they want to stick with this old authoritarian system where you are forcibly injected with every new vaccine that the pharmaceutical industry can talk the advisory committee on Immunization Practices into adding to the schedule. So that is what happened. The judge basically overrided it. I don't even know how the American Academy of Pediatrics has standing in this case. You're supposed to have the people that are going to be injured by a law. If it's unjust, you know the ones that are going to be harmed by it. I don't see how the American Academy of Pediatrics is harmed unless losing money is the priority. And then, remember, American Academy of Pediatrics gets funding from the pharmaceutical industry. They're basically a shill for the pharmaceutical industry suing HHS because the pharmaceutical industry doesn't want to lose that revenue. Now, to take it a step further. Now, of course, Robert Kennedy Jr. If that was the only thing that was decided, he could have gone back to his advisory committee and said, hey, the way they threw it out was they basically said, you did not run this decision through your advisory committee, the ACIP committee at cdc. Therefore, we're going to say it's not legal. Now, what's crazy, Steve, is that that advisory committee, it's not written in stone. Even when they make a recommendation, the CDC doesn't have to adhere to it. It's only a recommendation. So how is it a recommendation can be mandated by a court to say you have to go through a process that you don't even have to pay attention to once it's happened? The whole thing is absurd. But look, Kennedy could have gone and said okay to the advisory committee he is now put together. They want us to weigh in on this. Do you accept the Denmark schedule? But the judge want to step further, further, and basically said he doesn't recognize the entire advisory committee that Robert Kennedy Jr. Put together. This is, again, the American Academy of Pediatrics is saying, the new committee that Robert Kennedy Jr. Had put together is not fair. It doesn't have enough pharmaceutical representatives on it. It doesn't have enough people that make money off of vaccines on it, which was the entire purpose of Robert Kennedy Jr. Taking this job at HHS. It's why he ran for president. It's why I was his director of communications. I was excited to be with a candidate that was saying, we are going to kick out the money changers. We are getting rid of the corporate interests that are controlling our regulatory agencies. And here, the American Academy of Pediatrics finds an activist judge to say, no, you're not allowed to take the special interests out of a sip PhRMA has to have a seat at that table so that they can vote on making money for themselves. The whole thing is so incredibly corrupt. We're really hoping that the Trump administration will appeal this, but I'm also hearing that Robert Kennedy Jr. Might say that process would take so long. Maybe there's some rumors he might just disband a CIP and then just reallocate it all over again with whatever new rules are set up. But this is a judge and think about what's happened now. What he's saying is you can't approve any new vaccine schedule without an advisory committee. And then he fired the entire advisory committee. What is a judge? So a judge has the ability to fire and hire a CIP members, but the voted on elected HH secretary is not. The whole thing is outrageous. But right now this judge has put America in peril. Now, if we are attacked by a bioweapon, there is no advisory committee that is recognized that could approve a vaccine if that was one of the things we're going to try to do to protect us if there's a new flu shot or anything. So you want to talk about if they're worried about the vaccine program, they just eliminated any new vaccine from being approved because they just fired the committee that has to do it. So this is a disaster. I think it will probably be overturned if it's appealed. But I'll tell you this, Steve, if it doesn't get appealed, the work that I do at the nonprofit Informed Consent Action Network that I started as you know, we sue the government all the time. We've won against fda, cdc, nih. I would love for there to be precedence that says fairness is important when selecting ACIP advisory committee members because it hasn't been fair. It has been a pharma controlled pharma shill. You know, sitting panel of people that make money off the vaccines, they make money for themselves every time they vote on this committee. It's why every single vaccine has been rubber stamped for the last three or four decades. So if there's a precedence out there where they can say fairness is mandatory when selecting this committee, my nonprofit will use that and we will sue future HHS secretaries if they try to go back to pharma controlled advisory committees. So this can slice both ways. They want to open it up, they want to get judges involved here, then we will use that to our advantage too.

Steve Dace (48:20)

Take care. We'll come back. Hour two, Buy Seller hold is next. Stay tuned. Well, if you're not fired up after that conversation we said with Dell Bigtree, you're not, you're not living. I mean that, that'll clear your nostrils right there. We're back here with hour two, live and on demand here on Blaze tv, radio and podcast. Steve Dace here with Todders and Aaron McIntyre. And you can let us know what you think about what we think via the stevedace.com inbox by emailing us. Steve dace.com that's D E A C E like us on Facebook, Me, we and Gab. Follow me at Steve Dash show on X Instagram and Tick Tock. Subscribe to our new new how many new YouTube channels at DACE show on YouTube. At DACE show on YouTube. D E A C E. And if you are a podcast listener, make sure you're subscribed by hitting this, the the podcast button there. If you're on a Spotify or Pod Bay or podbean or you can click follow if you're on Apple itunes. And that's why that way you're going to know for sure that every time we do a new episode, it's for sure right there inside your podcast feed. And then also don't forget if you're a podcast listener to please leave us a five star review. Over tens of thousands of you have done that for us. So we appreciate each and every one of those. And we'd appreciate that too if you guys would keep coming back with that. And more and more they help the show to grow and also to affirm our fragile male egos. So thank you. This part of the show brought to you by our friends over at Preborn, you guys have been so generous with this partnership between the Blaze and Preborn for the last few years. And this month here in the month of March, Preborn is praying and believing to save 6,800 babies and their mamas. I would add as well. That takes 124 partners saying yes to funding a $28 ultrasound every single day. Maybe some of you can do more than that. For $140, you might save five babies in one fell swoop. Every dollar goes to helping to save babies. It's tax deductible, your donation in any amount and it's a five star charity and I can't give it a better recommendation than our own family has donated money to preborn. So preborn.com Steve is where you can go that's preborn.com. steve, make that donation today. Just $28 could save a life and maybe eternal life for mama@preborn.com Steve. And with that, are we ready for some buy seller hold?

Steve Dace (61:40)

I mean it's this, this is the heart of every Jewish conspiracy. So these people have been secretly controlling the world all this time, but for 1800 years could not manage to even have their own country. They couldn't even figure out. They couldn't even, they couldn't even leverage the world to Give them their country back for 1800 years, but they've really been running the show and controlling the planet all this time. This stuff, when you say it out loud, it all sounds because it is, because it is. So Joint wants him to continue investigating after they have confirmed ballistics in a confession. What would we investigate? What is there to investigate? You would, you would become a prosecution at that point. Erica killed her husband or was someone in on it? But yet she wants an open trial televised so everyone can see this is, this stuff's everyone who's fallen for it is. And just like we said during COVID even if, even if our show is not necessarily adherence to this particular eschatology, we all said at the time that really for the first time we could, we could see in practicum how something like a, a one world government and an antichristical character uniquely in charge just comes out of nowhere and takes over by what we saw and Del alluded to this last hour. How I mean essentially every nation on earth imposed the exact same draconian policies on their people with a couple of exceptions, regardless of religious differences, custom differences, geopolitical differences, language barriers without a shot fired. Right? And they, they all just like Thanos snapped and all put, put this all on their people planet wide. Right? That was kind of like that's a proof of concept that something like this could, could actually happen. Right. Well, one of the things that Jesus says about those days in Matthew 20:24, in Matthew 24:24 is that the deception would be so rich in those days that even the elect could be deceived if God had not, would not shorten that time. How many people have you seen that you thought were otherwise sober minded or you knew or people that follow you in your feeds that you thought were otherwise sober minded who have just completely lost their damned minds to this more

Steve Dace (66:20)

Call the police. I don't, don't, don't post on Twitter. Call the cops. Call your Facebook page has no power to do something about the fact Brett Kevin Oz and an. An. An unarrested unindicted rapist. The police do the Candace Owens podcast. Joe Kent's meanderings. They, they, they are not empowered to do anything about this. The Utah authorities are. Call them. Present your evidence. Show us what you have. Well, Steve, it's precisely that we don't have any evidence is why we have to investigate. What do we typically call investigations that begin without Evidence, but are in search of them. Star chambers. Tyranny, oppression, witch hunts. Yes, okay. We investigate things based on evidence, not looking for it. I mean, no. And you know, I doubt like any of them are subscribers, but a handful of people have come at me this morning on X. I just want you and all of them to know. I don't want to make any money off any of you threatening me. I'll double down. Even if I'll. I'll stick with something I don't even. I'm not even sure is right. If you threaten me just out of spite, that will never work. But I need you to understand. I. I am not. I'm not hurt that you're leaving me. I'm trying to drive you away. I think you. I just need to make that clear. You can't fire me. I quit. I mean, I'm part of the sifting. I'm sifting you out. I don't want you here. You're polluting the ecosystem and making everyone else around you as you. So I just want to make that. I'm. I'm. I. You know, again, apostles, not assassins. I'm. I'm here to feed the sheep. And so if you're a wolf, I'm here to drive you out before you devour the sheep. I don't want your money. I'd rather go work back at the mailroom at Blue Cross Blue Shield than have to make a living catering my content and times and talents and treasures to the likes of you. Your offense, in fact, affirms me. Your offense at what I'm doing tells me I'm doing the right thing. So not only. You're not hurting me. This is the desired response. Thank you for your attention to this matter.

Steve Dace (79:08)

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Daniel Horowitz (81:54)

Yeah, I mean, imagine if we had GOP made bed sheets, what that would look like. That's sort of what the election looks like right there. Don't even talk about the bacteria and other stuff on that bed. Look, every, every Tuesday we're going to have this. And we've had it. We've had it for 14 months. And frankly, with the exception of the top of the ticket, November 2024, we've really had an endless stream for years now. Everyone isolates it to that state and that situation. No, it's your type of Republican. My type of Republican. That's why you lost all these factors. But you can't isolate each Tuesday night. You have to put it all together. And again, this result is remarkably consistent mathematically with what we're seeing everywhere and what we're seeing in the polling data. And that is Republicans actually did a little bit better while losing to legislative seats, one House and one Senate seat. They did a little bit better, except not really. It's consistent. There's two types of elections that you're seeing, special elections. And also, by the way, it's not just special. You had the 2025 November regular elections, they're kind of off season, but the Virginia and other elections in that Republicans either lose by 15 to 30 or underperform by 15 to 30 or they'll underperform by about 10. There's, there's two scenarios we're seeing, but they're really the same scenario. The ones that they Underperform by about 10, like last night, 1 was 13, 1 was 8, 1 was just an underperformance of 5. That was the one they kept the other ones flipped. That's when Republicans actually turn out, but they still lose. So I was watching throughout the day, people were commenting, oh, this looks like it won't go the way of the others. And because of strong Republican turnout and then you come and Republicans lose. Well, what happened in the Mar? A Lago district in Palm beach county where Trump resides? Trump won it by, I believe, 12 or 11. He won it by 11. The Republicans beat Democrats and turnout by nine pretty good. So plus nine. They lost by two because they lost the independent vote, something like two to one, independent or nonpartisan, whatever they call it there. And that was a similar story in the Tampa based district, which is a little bit more purple. That was the Senate seat that they lost where, you know, Republicans outspent the Democrat you know, seven to one or something. So Florida has more of a robust Republican Party and a little bit more of a prideful brand. And you have the governor there. Uh, they've gotten a little bit more done, although it's been ground to a halt with the legislature. And, and one of the ones who want. Who ran was a part of that, one of Perez's lackeys in Tampa. But I'm not going to sit and tell you, Steve, that, oh, you run one of our candidates. I don't. I don't know if that would matter with the economy this bad and the MAGA and GOP in general brand mud among independents. That is just a reality. This is what's going to continue happening. The reason this is important is because you can't say, oh, well, this is because it's a special. They're caught by surprise. They didn't prepare, didn't have the GOP turnout. But November, you're not going to have those problems because here it's built into the performance. They did perform a little bit better, the Republicans turned out. But what this essentially means is that you need something to probably be. What have I been saying, Steve, about R 15 and more to make up for getting slaughtered among independents. That's how much more GOP it needs to be. That's. That's pretty bad math.

Daniel Horowitz (86:58)

Yeah, no, exactly. Because Biden should have gotten. That should have been the ultimate slaughtering. And he did it. And that I think that kind of sews up the point. The difference between now and before is a couple things. So first of all, yeah, there's a certain amount that's built in. I would believe even a decent GOP with a decent track record accomplishing a lot of things, they would lose the House, right? Because I mean just the historical average, you lose like 25 seats, they only have a five seat majority, they're going to lose the House. The difference here is it's going to be the Senate, it's going to be governorships, it's going to be, you know, Georgia, Arizona, Wisconsin, legislatures, things like that. Possibly your own state of Iowa, Ohio. That's where the rub lies. But it's even worse than that. You can't go back to 94 to Reagan. The country was a lot more volatile in terms of the realm of, of outcomes, of what each party could win and cross over. With the polarization now in recent years, it's moved very little. And you saw that in 2022. So it would be okay if we slaughtered the Democrats in 2022, they come and slaughter us in 2026. But the problem is it's built upon 17, 18, 20, 22, 23, 24, 25, 26, six down ballot, Republicans underperforming, then have a result like this. This, that's a big problem. So what that tells you is it's some of it's baked in, but some of it is the economy is really bad and they have just nothing going for them. They have no narrative. They just look like a bunch of corporatist, corrupt, bizarre priorities sitting there like putting out these gay ads. Fight, fight, fight. I mean, again, that plays with cat turd on Twitter. But it's like you, you look at what the Democrats ran in Tampa last night. I looked him up. Navy veteran, electrician, family man. Of course they, they all lie when they get in and they're, you know, radical Marxists. But the point is they're not stupid. They're, they're running on a lot of what I say are sort of demeanor. And the Republican candidates look a lot more like what Trump originally railed against in 2016. That's the problem they're having now. And it's a bad economy. Now if you want to give a historical precedent, I would say you're right. I would compare it to 2006. That's where it's similar to that, where there was just no redeeming qualities. And Outcomes left to Bush, you just had Iraq. You were squandering your capital on things we didn't even believe in. You weren't getting anything good at it, and then you had the financial collapse. So that's what I would say we're most similar to.