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Steve Dace
We gather here tonight to bring women back to their rightful place. The Testaments, a new Hulu Original series from the executive producers of the Handmaid's Tale.
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Pastor Kerry Gordon
It's easier to accept a story than believe that the people around you are monsters.
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Steve Dace
The battle isn't over. There comes a time when you have
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Pastor Kerry Gordon
to take action, when you have to
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Steve Dace
choose your own destiny. Never quite as it seems. What's the new Hulu Original Series? The Testaments, streaming on Hulu and Hulu on Disney plus for bundle subscribers terms apply. And greetings. Happy Tuesday. Forgot what day it was. Happy Tuesday. Welcome to the Steve Day show here powered by Blaze tv, radio and podcast. I'm Steve Dase alongside Todd erzin and Aaron McIntyre and we are brought to you by our friends over at Preborn. You guys have been so generous with this partnership. Let's keep it going. For as little as $28, you can save a baby's life and maybe his or her mama's soul at the exact same time. And tens of thousands of you guys have done this. This partnership has saved tens of thousands of babies since we started here with the Blaze and Preborn a few years ago. So let's keep it going. Make that tax deductible donation today, which you can do so by going to preborn.com Steve again. That's preborn.com Steve again. Head over there today. Make that donation to that five star charity preborn@preborn.com Steve. All right, coming up on today's show at the bottom of the hour, an old friend of mine is going to join us. He just took a trip over to Nigeria and saw firsthand what is happening to Christians over there. He's going to give us a report that is coming up at the bottom of this hour. Next hour we've got Pop Culture Tuesday, a movie I think you need to go and see before it leaves theaters. And then also we're going to get into more Tucker Carlson just as empty in the tank at this point. Marcione is going to sue for, you know, for stealing his material for copyright infringement. Some of this is stuff that these are almost Babylon B level headlines and yet these are his real takes. We'll get into that coming up in the next hour of the show. But first let's get to Aaron's rundown of what happened while we were away.
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Aaron McIntyre
What happened while we were away, brought to you by Happy Power Plants and Bridges Day. Trump echoed his threats from over the weekend this morning, posting on Truth Social, quote, a whole civilization will die tonight. Never to be brought back again. I don't want that to happen, but it probably will. However, now that we have complete and total regime change, where different, smarter and less radicalized minds prevail, maybe something revolutionarily wonderful will happen. Who knows? We'll find out. Tonight, one of the most important moments in the long and complex history of the world. 47 years of extortion, corruption and death. What will finally end? God bless the great people of Iran.
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Steve Dace
Yesterday, in your truth social, you called the Iranians crazy bastards. True. What is your response to critics who say that? I don't care about critics.
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Aaron McIntyre
In Budapest, Vice President J.D. vance says we're going to get a
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Steve Dace
response from the Iranians by 8 o' clock tonight. I hope they make the right response, because what we really want is we
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Pastor Kerry Gordon
want a world where oil and gas
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Steve Dace
is flowing freely, where people can afford to heat their homes and cool their homes, where people can afford to transport themselves to work. That's not going to happen if the Iranians are engaged in acts of economic terrorism. So they've got to know we've got tools in our toolkit that we so far haven't decided to use. The President of the United States can decide to use them, and he will decide to use them if the Iranians don't change their course of conduct.
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Aaron McIntyre
Vance made those comments during a trip to Hungary, reaffirming US Support for the country's Prime Minister, Viktor Orban. Back at the White House, Secretary of War Pete Hegseth filled in a few more details about the daring rescue operation of that US Airman over Easter weekend.
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Steve Dace
When he was finally able to activate
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Aaron McIntyre
his emergency transponder, his first message was
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Steve Dace
simple and it was powerful. He sent a message. God is good.
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Aaron McIntyre
In that moment of isolation and danger,
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Steve Dace
his faith and fighting spirit shone through. You see, shot down on a Friday, Good Friday, hidden in a cave, a crevice all of Saturday and rescued on Sunday, flown out of Iran as the sun was rising on Easter Sunday.
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Aaron McIntyre
New DHS Secretary Mark Wayne Mullen says international airports in sanctuary cities need a second look.
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Steve Dace
We're asking them to partner with us at the airport, but once they walk out of the airport, they're not going to enforce immigration policy. Maybe we needed to have a really hard look at that because we need to focus on cities that want to work with us. So you're saying that big cities that are sanctuary cities that have a big airport, they might lose their customs? Well, I'm saying we're going to have
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Aaron McIntyre
to start prioritizing things in New York city. What does race communism sound like? Zoran Mamdani we have delivered nearly $100,000
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Steve Dace
back to working class New Yorkers, small businesses, and so many others who've been ripped off by large corporations that they struggled to make their ends meet in this city. Now, as we finalize this plan, we
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Aaron McIntyre
will continue to tackle our city's affordability
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Steve Dace
crisis without turning away from the decades and frankly, centuries of disinvestment in black and brown New Yorkers.
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Aaron McIntyre
The crew of the Artemis II mission aboard the Orion spacecraft did indeed set a record yesterday for furthest distance from planet Earth of any human being prior to orbiting behind the moon and losing communication with Earth. Astronaut Victor Glover wanted the world to hear this message.
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Steve Dace
And as we get close to nearest point to the moon and farthest point from Earth, as we continue to unlock the mysteries of the cosmos, I would like to remind you of one of the most important mysteries there on Earth, and that's love. Christ said in response to what was the greatest command that it was to love God with all that you are. And he also, being a great teacher, said the second is equal to it, and that is to love your neighbor as yourself. And so, as we prepare to go out of radio communication, we're still able to feel your love from Earth. And to all of you down there on Earth and around Earth, we love you.
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Aaron McIntyre
And that's what happened while we were away.
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Steve Dace
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Todd Erzin
There? I am. I. I think they probably had an idea, but they just had to take a chance that maybe he wouldn't be so bold. You know, I. My guess is that if clamping down on this wasn't going to work for them, you know, I mean, he's an astronaut. This is a specialist. Not everybody. You just don't swap him out at the last second. So I doubt. I doubt they're, like, totally oblivious to the fact that this is who the man is. But I'm sure they were just hoping. Let's. Let's just hope that he's just got too much on his mind to be going full Jesus and they lost that bet, so. Amen.
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Aaron McIntyre
The amount of training that these guys have to do, there's no way that they did not know that he was a Christian. If he's saying that stuff 200,000, 250,000 miles away from planet Earth. I mean, that. You don't just. You don't just start saying that. I mean, that's who you are. That's what you live and breathe for. So there's no way they didn't know that this guy was like this. But I think Todd is probably right that maybe they were banking on him being so distracted. But the interstellar platform that they gave him, man, hats off to Victor Glover.
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Steve Dace
There's a. There's a part of me that almost hopes they didn't know. And he just did this subversive the entire time and advanced through the RAN ranks. And then when he got up there, just totally turned the tables on them. There's a. I mean, there's just aspects of my personality that loves that story, but there's a. There's other aspects of my personality that loves the. The story that we're discussing here, too, which is if it's true that they knew all along, then it. Then it does mean that there is still enough excellence that we can display in the culture that it will overlook hearing a message it hates increasingly, and it turns its back on in order to take advantage of our excellence. And that's how our social compact, one of the. One of the main ways our social compact has survived for as long as it has. And I go back to a conversation I had many years ago with the former head of our Iowa, Nebraska NAACP here in Iowa, who ended up getting excommunicated because he aligned with us against gay marriage. And so after years of Civil rights work for the Democrats. They threw him out when he asserted his Christianity. And him and I got to be. Got to be friends during those gay marriage battles here in Iowa. And one of the things that he told me was when he was growing up, if he would have showed up at a white girl's door and said, hey, I'm here to pick up your daughter for the promise, the odds that her dad would have gone along with that were slim and none. And slim was making its way back to. For a second, for seconds at the buffet line. Not happening. And yet if her little brother had a picture of Dr. J in full fro, you know, in the old ABA, dunking the ball, if he had that poster up on his wall, his dad didn't care. So it didn't matter if he didn't have a fro. Clean cut, young man, he's here, but. But he just happens to be black and he's here to pick up the white daughter. Daddy has, wants nothing to do with that, but his son can celebrate afro Dr. J on his. In his. On his bedroom wall. And he thought, how do I reconcile these two things? And he realized that excellence transcends differences and that his dad didn't see Dr. J as a black guy anymore, saw him as an excellent basketball player. And he tried to put that to use in his own life from that time forward is to take that objection off the table. And that when people do want to discriminate against you, when people do want to turn on you, have them make it very clear that they're. That they have no valid reasons they're doing it. Just other than in his case, from an era gone by, some people think we still live in, but don't. It was based solely on his melanin levels. And then he experienced this again in this era based on. On. On his Lord and where he ultimately places his faith, hope and love and what I hear you guys saying. Therefore, then given the amount of rigid testing, how in close quarters and proximity that testing is, if he attempted to do this subversively, the. The likelihood he could have held that at bay without it being known. It. It through all the years it took to get to this point for Victor Glover, not high. Which means they had to know to some degree, even if they didn't think he was going to go full throat as much as. As much as he is. But that also therefore means even in our declining culture where godlessness is rising, there is still a level of excellence that we can provide that forces people to look beyond what they don't like about us in order to take advantage of and to access the things that they do admire. And that's among the most hopeful things I think we have said on this show in several months. Thoughts?
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Todd Erzin
Well, it's an obvious truth, but, you know, I've got a. Oh, for you. That we aren't interested in being excellent. That's the problem. And that's why I talk about all the time. I don't think it, it. It's not shocking that he said something before, because this guy is obviously interested in being excellent in all things. He did. But NASA has relied increasingly on people. Even if they believe, say they believe what he believes, they have all kinds of excuses. This is not the time and the place. Why, why they should hide their light under the bushel basket in the name of Jesus. This is actually the whole ball game that you're talking about. Steve. Being excellent is a choice. He has no intention of not being excellent, whether it's preaching the gospel or getting uncomfortable enough to sit on top of an explosion and getting hurled into the vastness of space. That's, by the way, not a definition of astronaut. That's the definition of a man. And men these days have no interest in being excellent. That's the problem.
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Steve Dace
Well, maybe we can change that then, based on what we just said, because now the incentivization structure for excellence is still somewhat intact. Aaron. Right. Men have never, throughout human history, naturally just wanted to be excellent. We are sons of Adam, we are. Our natural state is to not want to do things to pass the buck, right? We need incentives. The pilgrims came here, thought they were just going to be natural, naturally, excellent. Half of them died because they invoked socialism and it provided no incentivizations for greatness. Right? We've always needed a cattle prod as a species, ever since Genesis, chapter three. I was kind of afraid, though, that. That that incentive structure was no longer there, and it's nowhere near as robust as it was in previous generations. But Victor Glover is at least proving to some degree that if you are, if you heard what Todd just had to say, and that motivates you to test this theorem, that there's at least still some chance it might turn out well for you, that you might be excellent enough that people have to accept you despite your beliefs, because of your overall excellence.
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Aaron McIntyre
You know, one way that my thinking was reframed about, I think a tangential topic here was by our now colleague Chr Rufo, who, at least from my observations, one of his strongest pushbacks that I'VE ever seen and most consistent pushbacks that I've ever seen him make is on the issue of higher education. And this notion that was very popularized amongst right wing thought leaders, influencers, what have you along the lines of don't send your kids to university. That's a fundamentally defeatist attitude. Send your kids to university, but send them to be trained to be the elites. Send them to be a, you know, at that age, maybe a missionary if they are showing those types of prowesses, prowess. So that's kind of along the lines here. That, that's one of the, that's one of the ways that we get into the stinking thinking is, are universities cesspools? Yeah, they are. How are they going to change? I don't know, let's just defeat, let's just admit defeat and move on and, and throw them in the dustbin of history. Now there's a lot of tentacles to that conversation, a lot of details and, and codicils to that conversation. But I'm thinking about this as a parent and my thinking of what I want for my kids and how I can help persuade them, maybe encourage them, maybe help them, you know, nourish their talents and things of that nature is by if they show prowess for engineering, if they show prowess for something like being a doctor or being a lawyer. I'm not just going to shut the door on universities because we need elite leaders who actually share our worldview. And as Todd said, there's just not much of an appetite for that if you can even get past the defeatist notions that I just talked about.
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Steve Dace
So let's get past some more defeatist notions right now. And this is, this has just changed like this in the last few days, guys. At the end of last week, the polling had demonstrated people were just fed up, tired of Operation Epic Fury and wanted to move on. Trump had some of his worst approval ratings he's ever had other than, you know, when it seemed like Covid was going to be the never ending story. Just about 10 days ago. Right now Trump and Republicans on the, Trump on his own and Republicans on the congressional generic congressional ballot are, are pulling the best they have in months. As of right now, Trump's up in the latest Rasmussen to a 45, 47 approval disapproval. So nearly break even. I was looking at another poll right before we went on the air that showed Republicans down only by two on the generic congressional ballot. That same poll, I can't remember who it's from, had it -11 Republicans about a week and a half ago. Why?
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Aaron McIntyre
There's one.
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Steve Dace
I have a hypothesis as to why this is the case, but Aaron. But I'm gonna let you go first. Go ahead.
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Aaron McIntyre
I've been beating this drum. What season are we in right now? Tax season. What are people getting bigger returns on right now Tax. They're getting more refunds right now tax season. So that could be. And that could be a fairly simple explainer. I don't know if the average person can connect those dots, though. And I don't mean that to say as a pejorative, as a. Well, kind of as a pejorative. I don't know if the average person thinks I get a larger pay or a larger tax refund. Thank you, Republicans. Thank you, Trump. I don't know if people connect those dots or whether they just do it from kind of a gut instinct, hey, Republicans are in charge. I've got more money this April. Now. Once they start blowing all that money on gas through the summer, we'll see if the story is different. That's my hypothesis, anyway.
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Steve Dace
That is not mine. That's an interesting one, though. I had not considered. Because we are in tax season. That's correct. Todd, you want to take a gander at this before I throw my hypothesis down?
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Todd Erzin
A different kind of gander. But whether they are doing this for something that can be approximated as a right reason or a wrong reason, we still have a people are the problem fickleness issue going on there like this. Even, even if you, what you say or what Aaron says turns out to be true and objectively good in some way. It's also this, this level of pivot in such a short period of time is not again a republic if you can keep it. And if we're like this, we can't keep it. Even if they're doing this for the right reasons. Because why the heck were they so wrong 10 days ago? What are our litmus tests on any given day?
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Steve Dace
All right, well, here's my hypothesis then. Okay. And it goes along with what we were just talking about. Todd is going to try to black pill me today. It's not going to work. I think we're having a little bit of a rally around the flag moment. I think it is in accordance with the rescue of this second paratrooper. And then what we're seeing from these astronauts and this successful launch into the deepest space, as far as we know that humanity's ever gone. And I. Because there's nothing else happening, no other policies have been passed. There is. So you're making my point Congress is not doing diddly squat. And so I, I think this is residual Americana here. I think it is what, you know, what did we say yesterday on this show? That whatever misgivings you had about this war going in, and I had my own. But if you can't set them aside for three seconds to say, America, hell yeah. After what we pulled off over the weekend, that you're at the point that you just hate your country. I was, I was texting privately, I won't name this person, but it would be a name pretty much everybody in this audience would know. And we were texting about what is happening with some of the commentary now from people, not just Tucker and Candace, but others that, you know, Robert Barnes and Alex Jones now talking about invoking the 25th Amendment against Trump. And he wanted to know, this person was just curious, what do you think is going on here? And I said, what's happened is a lot of people have put a narrative as their, as their religion, and they need a narrative. Todd, do you, do you remember what, when you said, what have you always said was one of the most important days in the history of this show, do you remember
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Todd Erzin
when you, back in 2016, when Trump got the nomination, and you said, you know, I'm not never Trump anymore.
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Steve Dace
Correct. And that I had to let that go. The election was over. Now, now it's to see what's best for the American people and, and to hope for the best and that the investment they made in Donald Trump that I thought was not the right investment would pay off. Right. I had to let my own narrative go. Right. And I said this to this individual. What you have right now is you have a lot of people on the right. I shouldn't say a lot. It's not a lot. It's just a vocal segment of people, particularly in social media, on the right, that they are so bought into this narrative that they need this mission to fail. And they, and, and because if it, if we're able to successfully put together, and we already have done so to some degree, a multinational Arab Israeli alliance that could potentially police this region, starting with, let's get rid of what is really the plumb line of all the disruption and evil in that region, and that's Iran. And from that time forward now, we're just going to discipline our own people. If we were able to pull something like that off, it would destroy every narrative these people have. And they have to decide now whether truth matters more than their narrative. And frankly, I'm just, folks, I'm just Going to tell you. And you'll see this a lot next hour when we get to the latest issue of rendition of Deconstructing. Tucker. Deconstructing. If you're not tethered to the word of God, you can't. You will put your narrative ahead of truth. You. You can't avoid it. You're a sinner. You're a vessel of flesh in this fallen world, a fallen flesh. You cannot do it. It's impossible. It's hard enough to do it with the word of God. It's impossible to do it without whether. No matter what direction you're coming from. Which is why my. My feed is a bunch of, you know, libertarians that sound like leftists. We suck. We're evil. We're killing all these civilians. I mean, they apparently care more about the Iranian civilians, by the way, on the ground. They're making it pretty clear they wish we would kill more people. We've not been violent enough. They want to be over. They want to overthrow this regime. They would like more violence. In fact, Tucker is essentially claiming that he cares now about the plight of Arab Muslims more than the House of Saad does. A ridiculous premise, but see, this is what happens when you box yourself in. This is. This is the same thing as how Bill Crystal now is against tax cuts if Trump does them. Same thing. It's the same thing. Your narrative matters more than the truth, and you need your narrative to be confirmed. This is what the left has done. We used to call it magical thinking, and now there are some on the right that you're seeing with this as well. And this is always what happens when you untether yourself to the word of God. Your narrative is truth. And we're all just Guy Benson now. This is my truth.
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Todd Erzin
That's just.
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Steve Dace
That's the reality of the human condition. You'll have the word of God or you'll have my truth in your narrative. There will be no in between. It'll be one or the other. And what you're seeing now, though, is a lot of people, I think, are just having a temporary moment where their narrative is. I don't want America to suck. Where their narrative is. I'd like to be proud of my country again. Now, this is not the stuff that's going to change the course of the midterm elections or anything else unless we learn some lessons from this. There is still a critical mass of people that want this to be a great country, that still want to be proud of their country because this. This little polling turnaround we're seeing here is completely predicated on no additional policies or whatsoever. But we've just had a heroic mission executed by our own military. And that what we're watching now with our own astronauts in outer space. And gentlemen, that's what I think is happening here. I think we are having. I think I. I think some of the old magic, some of the old social compact that Aaron barely remembers, and Todd and I are the last generation to be born into that there were. There were still an overwhelming majority of Americans that were like America no matter how they voted. Some of that you can still tap into here a little bit, because it's not like the administration's messaging has been great for weeks now on multiple fronts. One of the reasons why we barely seen JD Vance, he's back out on the stump. Get him back out there. He's the best messenger the Republican Party has and has had in 40 years. It's not like Congress is, you know, grinding for the American people right now. That's not happening. So we're not forcing this at all. These are, or these are organic events that have caused people to say, and here's the thing, we're benefiting off of this. Which means the American people instinctively know, Todd and Aaron, that the Democratic Party is not pro America. They instinctively know this. That's why when there's American heroic exploits here, whether it's these astronauts in space or this heroic mission to save this, this paratrooper, we're getting the residual benefits for this. And I think this also speaks to some of the internal debate that is happening on our side with these naysayers want. That's just not sellable whatsoever to the American people. And they're not naysaying in the way that Todd is, where Todd is lamenting that we have access to traditions and the kinds of things I'm talking about, but just lack the gumption and initiative to take advantage of them. These people are telling you that these things don't exist anymore. And the pro. And this. And the situation is hopeless and full of despair. And now we can't even trust whole books of the Bible anymore. That's different. Todd is giving you warnings of Old Testament prophets. These people are saying, truth just is gone, can't be found. The Lord's forsaken us. And I think what you've seen in the last couple days, gentlemen, is just a little polling bounce here of people that are like, you know, I really would like America to be great again. What do you think?
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Todd Erzin
You. You just made my exact point just In a different way. Your specific identification with basically a vibe shift is one of the things I absolutely considered, which is why I said even if it's for the right reason, we still have a people problem. Because if we are a representative republic, Steve, this can't just be a vibe. It needs to be a identity. More days than not. By definition, if we want the power, we want the authority, we have to have that sense of duty all the time. And I listen, if right now you're describing a vibe shift, you're describing nostalgia, you're describing an emotional high, it needs to be more than that, it needs to be deeper than that, I'm all for it. I'm just not going to hold my breath on it lasting, that's all. Because it wasn't there 10 days ago. And it could have been because you were born in America. That's better. You won the lottery ticket. We take it for granted all the time and we have no intention to smash the idols and be that people. I'm talking about. We don't.
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Aaron McIntyre
A republic if you can keep it, yes. Not a whim, not a whim. We're talking about a whim here, not a republic. That's what Todd is talking about. If your hypothesis is true, Steve, meaning 10 days ago, the sky was falling. We saw somebody or we saw somebodies get shot off into the sky, into space. We saw a heroic capture or as a rescue of an airman in enemy territory. And now we're feeling better now and we are pro America now. That's not a republic, that's a whim. And it's not going to be kept. Whims are not kept. They're just whims. So Todd's fundamental analysis there is still very much true. And until that changes, until we become more like the people we are called to be that are our heritage as Americans kind of indicates we should be, then whims are all we're going to get.
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Steve Dace
Well, I'm going to tell you, when I, when I left here about the middle of last week, I didn't think we were going to have many whims left. I mean, I was pretty down bad. So my, my expectations have been successfully lowered. I'm going to take all the whims I can get. Throw another wimp up whim on the Bobby. All right, Pile on the whims. Because I was beginning to think we couldn't even whim.
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Pastor Kerry Gordon
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Steve Dace
All right, Back here on the Steve Day show. And I forgot to mention at the top, I have A road trip heading to Philadelphia to help with the help host the Make Heaven Crowded tour event in Philadelphia for TP USA Faith tomorrow night. That's. And I've got to catch a plane right after the show today. So that's why I'm doing the show here from home Command. Todd and Aaron are back there in our posh studios there on the other side of our suburb. And we're brought to you by our friends over at Patriot Mobile. As America celebrates its 250th birthday. There's never been a better time than right now to get involved in the parallel economy. I know a lot of us the more we can avoid it. We can't always avoid it, unfortunately, because of the world we live in, how interconnected we are. But as much as we possibly can, can we avoid doing business with people who hate us? Well, when it comes to your mobile phone service, the answer is yes. And it's the service that our family's been using now for six years and we've never looked back. That's Patriot Mobile. They're outstanding US based customer service team. That means you can actually understand them.
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Pastor Kerry Gordon
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Pastor Kerry Gordon
I'm doing great, Steve. Thanks for having me on your show.
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Steve Dace
You bet. You and I have have known each other for a long time, go way back, right? And so how do you get from Iowa to Nigeria? Let's start There. Right. You didn't just hop on a freeway. You don't just book flights on Expedia. Right. So how'd you get there? Let's start with that.
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Pastor Kerry Gordon
It was a. It was a very long flight, and it was a very interesting, interesting experience. I would say probably close to being on Artemis and leaving the planet and going to a different world. The culture is completely different. The landscape is absolutely nothing like anything in the United States. The culture is shocking. The food, the cuisine, the status of living, the poverty is startling. It is bone chilling. It was a long trip, but it was worth it. It was a dangerous trip. You know, it's one of those where you go on a missions trip and you have to sort of plan with your family on what to do if you die. So I had to have that conversation. You know, we had to have our armed guards the whole time that we were there, because it's not a safe place. This is not a place where you would go on vacation. But it was well worth it. The Christians in Nigeria are spectacular human beings of whom the world is not worthy. Just to give you an idea, you know, 1200 people show up to a meeting, and most of them risked their lives to get there, like they could have been killed on the train, on the road, just because they're Christians. Because Islam is out of control, of course, in Nigeria, especially northern Nigeria. And so when you have a room with 1200 people who literally risked dying to get to a meeting to talk about Jesus and to learn about the Bible, you're just having a whole nother level of an experience with God, with the Holy Spirit, with the Bible, and the interaction between the minister and the people. It was really something. 400 of the people who attended were widows. They all wore the same outfits. When I say widows, they're pastors, wives whose husbands were killed with machetes or gunfire just for being pastors. And to be in that environment and to address 400 women who were left with their children and their husbands slaughtered, that was something I'll never forget. But, yeah, it's been a rough Easter, so I. I checked in on our people. This is a mission that's out of my church. It's called equipping the persecuted. People can go to equippingthepersecuted.org if they want more information on how to help. And, you know, Judd, Saul is in charge of equipping the persecuted. He's a member of my church and a missionary sent out of my church and a dear and precious friend. I know he's Your friend too. And he's somebody that I. I just admire him more than ever for what he's done. He's built medical clinics, an orphanage. He cares for over 1,000 of the widows whose husbands were slaughtered for being pastors. A minority of those widows husbands were police officers who were killed trying to defend from Islamic jihadists. So it's an overwhelming ministry. What he's doing on the ground is some of it. I want to describe it, but I can't for security reasons. But it is my best way to say it is the kingdom of God on earth. God's will being done on earth as it is in heaven. He is impacting every layer of civilization and society, from politics down to faith, religion, family, caring for children, equipping the persecuted is doing everything that can possibly be done to defend good people, to strengthen people who've been harmed, and to feed people who need food. I mean, they're doing everything. They're also providing medicine, medical clinics, hospitals. It's just unreal what's been done in Nigeria and the persecution is very real. I was asking, hey, could we get some video footage from our conference where we. We brought in, you know, over a thousand pastors from Nigeria and even other nations like Cameroon showed up and they said, yeah, we think we can, but we're not sure if our film crew will still be alive.
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Steve Dace
Wow.
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Pastor Kerry Gordon
I mean, I don't know what else to say. So I don't. I always get emotional, you know, don't have any video for you,
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Steve Dace
but, you
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Pastor Kerry Gordon
know, a couple hundred people were killed over the last couple days. It's real. The persecution is real. And the weirdest thing about the trip is I. I get on the plane to go home and I, I seriously, I left Nigeria and I. I had more hope for a tremendous turnaround and a great future for them as a nation and as a people than I have for America. And I never thought that I would say that or that I would feel that way, but I'll tell you why. Because they're hurting so bad. They are hurting so bad. And they. They know that nothing can be done in the flesh that can turn it around. It has to be God. It has to be a divine intervention. It has to be through the purpose of the local church established by Jesus Christ. That is their only hope. And for that reason, I think they're actually going to turn their nation around. And I think within. When, within the next 30 to 40 years, Nigeria will be an overwhelmingly Christian nation. I think they have a bright future ahead of them because they're in so much pain. And ironically the American church is just not this way. There's no one risking their life to get to church. We can barely get people to show up if all the conditions are perfect and Americans were over entertained. We're fat, we're lukewarm. If we do go to church, it's pathetic. We are not heading right into the arms of Jesus. Driven by pain, I would say we're heading right into the depths of hell. Humanism, atheism, hollowed out Christian faith, it's just a shell of what it once was. We're not going in the right direction as a country. We're filled with money, we've got riches and food. Too much food, too much entertainment. We're so fat, we're so self sufficient. We don't really need Jesus in America. So I feel like America is going the wrong way into the danger zone, probably irrecoverably. And yet Nigeria in so much pain. I think they're headed right into the arms of Jesus. So it was a pretty weird experience. It was harrowing. It was. There were moments that were otherworldly. I had to, basically we had like six armed bulletproof vests, helmets, machine guns, six guys traveling with us everywhere to keep us safe. Just to get into our hotel, you had to have your trunk searched with a bomb sniffing dog. And then to get inside the lobby, it's like going through airport security because everything is so dangerous over there. But there is a powerful church, a godly people, majestic human beings who sing a lot louder than us and they worship with great passion and they're willing to risk their life just to get to church. And they're amazing people. I was honored to have the privilege to address that kind of culture of a thousand pastors who literally every week know that their, their church could be surrounded with gunmen, their women dragged off into the woods, never seen again, or just be mowed down with bullets or hacked up with machetes. But they are at church on Sunday morning and they're on time and they sing and they worship and they preach and it's, it's something, Steve, it's something
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Steve Dace
maybe the audience is not aware. When you first started your answer, you used a phrase. The world was not worthy of them. And I think that's a quote from the book of Hebrews, sometimes referred to the 11th chapter as the hall of faith, kind of talking about all the martyrs and those who came before us, who were persecuted on our behalf so that the faith could be passed down to us and, and the the phrase go. That concludes after listing all these heroes of the f, many of them depicted in the Bible, the world was not worthy of them. Right. And what is. How did you even get into the country? Did they not know you were a pastor when you came in? Right. So what does that look like? And then what's the message that they wanted to hear from you? And how would you compare that to the message that a lot of your American congregates want to hear from you on a given Sunday?
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Pastor Kerry Gordon
Right. That's interesting. So the. The government is somewhat disorganized, you might say. Customs wasn't really too bad. We just kept it simple. And they said, why are you here? And, you know, I said, well, I'm here to see friends. And they suspected I was coming in for a minister's conference. But what we didn't know when we were coming in through customs was that there was an Anglican conference happening. It was a. It was a national conference. So there were thousands and thousands of Anglican bishops sort of amassing the nation, and they kind of lumped me in with the Anglicans. And. And it's. The thing is, Nigeria, in terms of their population, they're overwhelmingly Christian in terms of, you know, most of the Nigerian people have a Christian background. There's just a small minority that are Islamic. But the Islamic people have taken over the reins of authority, government, police. Much of the military is controlled by Islam. So you have pockets of Boko Haram, maybe even little remnants of ISIS meandering here and there. But the number one problem is the Fulani. And so we were able to get through customs. It really wasn't too bad. Just kind of had to be vague about our purpose and just say, we're here to visit friends. And then in terms of my message, I. I brought a message to the Nigerian pastors that I knew they had never heard before, because anytime that I've preached it in the United States, I've been told by people who've been in the church their whole life, some ministers in their 70s. I've lived my life in the church every Sunday. Went to seminary, got a degree. No one has ever explained these parables to me. So I took four parables of Jesus that are called the parables of governmental conflict. And I just laid out the teaching, the doctrine of the Lord Jesus Christ on the different governments and conflicts that will happen until he returns and rules the world as our king, quite literally. So that's what I taught on. They had never heard it before. It was received really beautifully. I'm not sure that the American church wants to hear what Jesus had to say about the four parables of governmental conflict. We're just, like I said, we're very entertained. We're very, very happy and very rich. We have too much to eat and too many TV shows to watch, and we're not really interested because we're not in enough pain, I guess. But I took that message there. It was. It was overwhelmingly, overwhelmingly well received. The testimonies that are. That are coming back are really pretty profound and powerful. When you and I were talking, I told you God showed up. And I think that's the most important thing. And when I say God showed up, I mean these people are desperate and they're praying and they're asking for God to answer their prayers, and he did. There were nothing short of miracles that happened in those meetings where no one could explain it other than the presence of the Holy Spirit came and did magnificent things for people. It was a tremendous moment. I think it could be a turning point in their nation in terms of sending the ministers back equipped with fresh knowledge of a very ancient teaching from the Lord Jesus Christ. It was. It was really wonderful. And I look forward to going back.
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Steve Dace
Incredible story, incredible testimony of faith that you shared. And I want to make sure we get this out. Pastor Gordon, to the audience, because you mentioned Judd's ministry. Equipping the persecuted.org is where you can go. All right. Equipping the persecuted.org. you can go there and see a lot of the work. Judge Sister and I go to the same church, by the way, here in Des Moines, so. Oh, yeah. Equipping the persecuted.org is where you can go again. That's equipping the persecuted.org. it's good to see you, brother. Thank you for joining us, man. God bless you.
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Pastor Kerry Gordon
God bless you. Thank you.
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Steve Dace
Tell the family I said hello.
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Pastor Kerry Gordon
All right, I will.
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Steve Dace
All right, take care.
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Pastor Kerry Gordon
Okay.
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Steve Dace
All right, gentlemen, we got about a minute here. Your thoughts on the conversation we just had with Pastor Kerry Gordon.
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Todd Erzin
He just put the most awesome exclamation point on everything I just said in the last segment. We are too comfortable. We are too entertained. We are too fat. We are too anonymous. We are too proud. Amen. Pastor Kerry Gordon. Fine. If you don't like it when I say it, listen to him.
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Aaron McIntyre
Amen to that. And I knew we were talking about this with Pastor Gordon and the dovetail of how we ended that segment, last segment, with what. What we talked about here. God's economy is not our own economy. We always expect the movie ending. We always expect everybody lives happily ever after. We always expect that. And it plays into the very comfort, the very largesse, the very excess that we experience on a day to day basis here in this country. But I had the same takeaway before he even said that. I can foresee Nigeria, even in the midst of this persecution, on the path towards righteousness where God is exalted in all things, where Christ's name is proclaimed in all things. I can see them on that path a little with a fewer lines to actually dots to connect than here in the United States of America. That's simultaneously encouraging about God's character. But that's a warning for us as well.
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Steve Dace
It is. And we should also mention the worldview that is threatening those people. We're going to talk more about that here when we come back. All right, back here on the Steve Day show, live and on demand here on Blaze. Tv, radio and podcast. Hour two underway. I'm here at Home Command because I got to take off after the show, head to Philadelphia, weather permitting, for tomorrow night's Make Heaven Crowded event. Looking forward to that. Todd and Aaron are there in our studios in suburban Des Moines. Let us know what you think about what we think via the stevedace.com inbox. You can take advantage of that by emailing the show Steve dace.com that's D E A C E like us on Facebook, Me, we and Gab. You can follow me at steveday show on X Instagram and Tick Tock. You can also subscribe to our YouTube channel at Day show on YouTube. That's @Dace show on YouTube. And then if you are a podcast listener, thank you. You're the biggest part of our audience. Please hit subscribe or if you're an Apple, itunes follow and that way you'll know for sure that every time we do a new episode, it'll for sure be there in your podcast feed. You can also leave us a five star review as tens of thousands of you have. And we appreciate each and every one of those as we appreciate our friends over at Jevity. So here's the thing about Jevity. They test over a hundred labs and depending on where you live, they can have that blood drawn right there in the comfort of your own home. All right? And these are the kinds of things your standard panel from the conventional medical system are not going to look at, not going to even touch. All right? You're going to want to truly know where you are. So I'm 50, I'm going to be 53 in July, when I went through my, my JEVITY profile, it says I basically I'm. I have the health of a 47 year old. So I'm about six years younger from a health perspective than my age. Right. These are the kinds of things you want to know. What are some. Where are some areas where supplements could be helpful because of the way that our food is made these days and lacking a lot of the nutrients that, that, that we need? What are some early warning markers that maybe the conventional system might not be looking for or might miss? Right. This is what you're looking for, and this is what Jevity can do for you.
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Aaron McIntyre
We should have talked about this before we went on the air, but I've got the two in order that you sent in the email and then the link that you sent in our text thread last night.
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Steve Dace
Yeah, save that one for last. All right. All right, so let's take these in order. All right, here's clip number one. This is Tucker's latest monologue.
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Tucker Carlson
Leaders who are preaching a religion that bears no resemblance to Christianity. So that's the core problem right there. Who knows what this is? It's not Christianity. It's not what the gospels describe. Yesterday at the White House, they all show up middle of Christian holy week, four days before Easter. And not just the fringe Christian, Zionist, John Hagee or these strange people. But, but the, but the big guys, Franklin Graham, son of Billy Graham shows up at the White House yesterday
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Steve Dace
to
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Tucker Carlson
pray over the president so he will have wisdom and restraint. No, to endorse the murder of civilians, which is a war crime, but more important, it's a moral crime. You can't kill people who have committed no crime, who did nothing wrong. You can't murder the innocent. You can't kill kids and women. And yet Franklin Graham is up there standing at the podium, praying for that. Now, how do you do that? Well, by quoting something called the Book of Esther, which is in the Christian Old Testament, a controversial book. For a long time, Martin Luther thought it shouldn't have been there, but it is there. And it's the story, among other things, of a genocide of Persians. Oh, yeah, 75,000 Persians. Not just people who committed crimes, but. But people who are Persian, and that's why they were killed. And it's in the Book of Esther, which you should read because it's interesting. It also happens to be, maybe not coincidentally, the only book in the Christian Bible, Old and New Testaments, that doesn't mention God. There's no mention of God in the Book of Esther. Now, there are all kinds of theologians.
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Steve Dace
First of all, that's not true. Song of Songs also does not explicitly mention God either. But that's neither here nor there. The. The Book of Esther is about how God preserved the line of the Messiah through the Jewish people, which is the primary purpose of the nation of Israel to bring forth the Messiah to the world. That's what the Book of Esther is about. This is why, first of all, when Tucker says you should read it, I think he knows most of the people he's talking to aren't going to read it and likely never have. Many of you who have read it or are aware of it have likely never heard of this interpretation of Esther before. You know why? You're not a heretic. That's why this is akin. You know, we had a religious atheist, an atheist who ran the religious studies department at Iowa State University for many years, who was a defrocked Catholic priest. And he used to teach that God was a genocidal maniac and not worthy of worship because of what happened in the Old Testament. This is very similar to what Tucker is doing here. He is acting as if he is here to officiate God. For what Tucker is saying to be true, you have to then believe that the Jews were never God's covenant people. At any point where beyond now debating whether they still are, you have to understand. You have to then accept for his. His understanding of Esther, to be correct, then you have to say that the Jews were really never God's covenant people, because what is done in Esther is the Jewish people are facing a genocide from a man named Haman, who is one of the chief stewards of the, the, the, the, the kingdom of Persia, which actually was the Medio Persian empire under Artaxerxes, right? He had his former wife killed because she violated court protocol by coming to speak with him without being summoned. So he's in, he's in, he's in need now of a new wife and he takes this Jewish woman named Esther as his wife. Once the plot against the Jews is discovered, her uncle Mordecai goes to her and he says, now you need to go and speak to the king on our behalf. You cannot allow this injustice of this genocide. Haman is essentially a, a Hitler esque archetype in the scriptures. You cannot allow this, this, this mass genocide of our people to occur on your watch. But here's what Mordecai says to Esther. And even though God has not explicitly mentioned this is why what happens next is one of the most quoted lines in all of the Old Testament from the book he claims is controversial and doesn't mention God. Mordecai says to his niece Esther, he says, now if you do not do what God has called you to do, meaning you are not, you are not made queen of the Medio Persian empire, the seat of power on the earth at this time. This is the empire that conquered the Babylonians. They have, they have one of the appendages on Daniel's statue of prophecy, and she now is the queen, the seat of power in this world. And Mordecai says to her, you do not have this position by happenstance or coincidence, but you're here, right for this moment, for such a time as this. One of the most quoted lines in all of the Old Testament is that line right there. You are here, my niece, for such a time as this, that you would go to the queen, go to the king on behalf of your people. But then he also says to her, if you do not do what God has called you to do, which is why you have the position you have of all the women in this empire, from all the nations conquered by the Medio Persian empire, he chose you. Why? Because God chose you. But if you do not do what God has called you to do, Mordecai goes on to tell his niece, salvation will come to the Jews by another means. Why? Because the seats of power of this world cannot thwart the Plans of almighty God and the sovereignty of God. And so by attempting to, Esther does her duty, she does go to the king, alerts the king of the plot. So what happens? Under the sovereignty of God, the king takes the very gallows that Haman was planning on hanging and murdering the Jews with and murders him with it. And all those that were aligned with him, all their wealth and everything else was taken from them because they attempted to impose on God's covenant. So again, what Tucker is saying is what leftists say when they say they don't want to believe the Bible. Well, that's not fair. What happened to all those people of Canaan? Where'd they all go? Well, they were pagans, child sacrificers, demon worshippers. And God had enough and got rid of them because he's God and he gets to do things like that because he is just. And there is no greater sign of his justice at all than he punished his own son, did not even spare even his own son on our behalf. That's the event we're just commemorating. This is a completely twisted view of this book. It's the kind of book a Marcionite heretic would have, or someone who just wants to divorce the Old and New Testament and claim they're completely different books and separate religions. It's the kind of teaching that someone has when they never teach you the heart and soul of the gospel, which is sin, repentance, redemption, regeneration. That's the heart and soul of the gospel. That's never in Tucker's message, by the way. Martin Luther, by the way, also did his own canon. After he was excommunicated from Rome under penalty of death, he translated the Bible into German and put his own canon of the Bible together. He had misgivings about both James and in the New Testament and Esther in the Old, both of those books you'll find in his canon, though, not that it matters, because Martin Luther isn't. That's. I mean, there's nothing sola scriptura about do whatever Martin Luther says. That's not sola scriptura at all. So before we even get to the bearing of false witness against Franklin Graham, that's just way over the top. That's a clear violation of the commandment against false witness, what he did there to bearing false witness, what he did there to Franklin Graham. By the way, where are all these. These supposed civilian casualties and people we've unfairly killed in Iran? You mean to tell me none of the Muslim countries in the region whatsoever are raising any stink about what he is claiming we're doing over there. So now you want me to believe that Tucker Carlson cares more about the plight of the average Muslim on the streets of Iran than every other Muslim country in the region does? Get out of here with that. Listen to everything you just heard from him is a heresy, a scam, and a violation of bearing false witness. There's no Christianity in there at all. This is a broken man deconstructing, and he's taking other people with him. Where does he go to church? Who's his pastoral authority? Where does he learn anything from? Who's he accountable to? Notice we don't know those answers. Everybody knew who Charlie held himself accountable to. People like Jack Hibbs, Rob McCoy. Everybody knew what church Charlie went to. Dream City Church right there in Phoenix, Arizona. His life was pretty much an open book because he took his responsibility as a leader within the Christian community very seriously, which is why he also talked to people that he didn't always agree with and wanted to earnestly hear what they have to say, which you don't ever see Tucker doing. Every now and then, he'll put on Mike Huckabee or Ted Cruz once a year and just kind of try to shout over him the entire time. That's not a conversation. This is how every deceiving heretic has ever behaved in the history of the church, and that's what he has become. Any thoughts on that before we get to clip number two?
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Todd Erzin
I think we need to keep going to get it all in. Yeah.
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Steve Dace
All right, let's go to clip 2.
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Tucker Carlson
The point is that it's the end of something. Whatever that religion is is not going to continue. It just won't, because it's a lie. And so it will end, as all lies do. It will be revealed as a lie, as all lies are. And so you're watching the end of the global American empire, the unipolar world that was great, by the way, while it lasted, but it's over. And you're watching the end of whatever American Protestant Christianity, one of the greatest and most positive forces in the history of this world, whatever it became after the Second World War, which is something unrecognizable.
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Steve Dace
So what did Protestant Christianity become after the Second World War? Well, Billy Graham launched his first crusade in 1947, two years after World War II ended in my former hometown, by the way, of Grand Rapids, Michigan, he became the foremost Christian figure of the latter half of the 20th century, and even into the early parts of the 21st, he was named one of the top 10 most admired figures every year in the Gallup poll for about 60 years of his life. Because the, the, the, the old Reformed denominations, the people that Tucker likes talking to nowadays, whose theology, by the way, I, my own, tends to lean more Reformed, frankly, I think that's a, that's, that's the most precise reading of the Bible as far as I know. But that notwithstanding those denominations, they chose to vacate the public square. And many of the heretical mainline denominations like the one Tucker came from, the Episcopalians, they abandoned the public square. This is why Billy Graham was needed. He stepped into the void. The old Reformed, mainline Protestant, non Missouri Synod Lutheran denominations abandoned the public square in America. And so into this void stepped Billy Graham. You may not agree with all of his theology. He was heavily Armenian, he was heavily pro Israel, but you cannot debate and argue with the fruit of his ministry. And at 56 years old, Tucker Carlson would be old enough to certainly remember Billy Graham, to remember that, that, that cachet of voters that then were discipled by the likes of Francis Schaefer and the original religious right on the heels of Billy Graham. That cachet of voters is the reason why those Protestant evangelical voters that he says made Christianity unrecognizable. They're the only reason why we're not the UK right now. That is the block of voters that brought Reagan forth and then elevated Trump. They look at the latest polling where the white evangelical voters are the last. But why do you think we get attacked all the time? We are the last line of defense between becoming the UK and what this country is right now. Without what Protestant Christianity became post World War II, America would have, would be far worse off and be doing the kinds of things that the UK is doing to its people right now. That's just completely and entirely false. A completely and a complete and entirely entire misreading of history. A history Tucker Carlson lived through and knows. By the way, this isn't some 26 year old on the Internet whose dad walked out and and left mom for a younger woman and left him with no hope or future, who doesn't know any better and watched his older brother die for nothing in Iraq. This isn't this. He's not that. He's 56 years old. He's older than me. He lived through this history. He knows it well and yet he's acting like it just never happened and none of it ever happened. Without what Protestant Christianity became after World War II, we would be exactly where France and the UK is right now. The voters that came out and the citizens that came out of those Billy Graham crusades. That is the last remaining bulwark voting block against us in the spirit of the age. He's just absolutely dead wrong about that. On top of that, he claims we're at the end of the American empire. Now. The timing of this is excellent. He claims this at the very moment that we just got rid of a Maduro in Venezuela without a single American casualty. We are in the midst of conducting the most broad multinational alliance of Arabs and Israel and Jews that's ever existed on the. On this planet. There's never been an alliance of Arabs and Jews like exists right now in Operation Epic Fury against Iraq. And oh, by the way, we just launched humans further into deep space than they've ever been as a species. And that's the moment. Now he wants to claim that the whole thing is over, but what's he pointing you to instead? Notice he never does that because heretics don't ever do that. They're just asking questions. Let's go to the third clip.
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Tucker Carlson
The message in our Bible, which is, you are not God, and only if you think you are, do you talk this way. But it's not just mockery of Islam and no president should mock Islam. That's not your job. This is not a theocracy. We don't go to war with other theocracies to find out which theocracy is more effective.
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Steve Dace
Aaron, I want you to. Can you play that clip again? I want to make sure everybody hears every freaking word of that. Hear it all.
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Tucker Carlson
The message in our Bible, which is, you are not God, and only if you think you are, do you talk this way. But it's not just mockery of Islam and no president should mock Islam. That's not your job. This is not a theocracy. We don't go to war with other theocracies to find out which theocracy is more effective.
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Steve Dace
If I told you, if I didn't show you that clip and I just gave you a transcript and said Barack Obama said this gentleman, would you believe Barack Obama would say every word of that? Yeah.
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Todd Erzin
Yeah.
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Steve Dace
What about every single major figure that currently exists on the American left or has in your lifetimes, Would you, if I, if I had attributed that, what we just heard from Tucker Carl Carlson to them, would you have believed that, though they would have said that verbatim without any editing in the same context? Completely.
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Aaron McIntyre
Yep.
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Todd Erzin
Yeah.
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Steve Dace
He also said, I rest my case.
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Aaron McIntyre
He also said in that same section quote, no decent person should be mocking another person's religion at the Same time
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Steve Dace
he accuses Franklin Graham of being a heretic praying for the, the murders of innocents, okay? And that Protestant Christianity has been warped to something that it's unrecognizable. By the way, you know who also agrees with Tucker that unipolar American power should end and we, we should be way more favorable to Islam. Rick Warren completely agrees with that. He coined the term chrysalom. In fact, Rick Warren agrees and he's done maybe as much damage to Protestant Christianity as anybody other than what Tucker Carlson is apparently attempting to do as we speak at this point. These people are just so committed to this narrative that they sound like leftists. They have boxed themselves in now to where they have to root against America. They have to ignore right now we have a spaceship of Americans further into deep space than have ever happened in the history of our species. They have to ignore right now that we have the most unique alliance of Arabs and Jews in the history of this world under one singular military objective in the Middle East. They have to ignore that because it goes against their narrative. And their narrative is more important to them than is the truth. And you can always again, tell who the heretics are. They're going to draw you closer to the word of God. They're not. Or they're going to draw you further from the word of God. They're going to make you less Christ. Like, they're going to make you less honest. They're going to make you less certain about what how you see the world or what you think your ultimately your ultimate destiny is. Because they're not peddlers of truth, but deception. And I'm just going to tell you right now, I'm fighting this down to the last follower to this show. I don't care if I find out everybody that follows me is a, is a bot buying into this. I will go down to the last follower pushing back on this with maximum prejudice because this is heresy. It's blasphemy. Most importantly, it's those two things. The other thing it also happens to be, though, is nihilistic degradation of the very country and culture in which we live. And I might listen to some of this, but not from the guy who told us that he is sitting here in Saudi Arabia and feels so welcome as a Christian where there are no public Christian churches. But not from the guy who told us, well, I should buy property in Qatar because they have more Christians here than there are in Israel when there's 300,000 migrant indentured servants in Qatar and not a Single one of them is actually a citizen because they're Christians, but there's 180, 000 of them in Israel. And I want to make this also very, very, very clear. Hear me out on this. I would be friends with a hundred Jews than one of you claiming to be a Christian who buys into this. I would rather stand with a hundred Jews, all the while trying to convince them that Jesus is Messiah. Then one of you who buys into this. This is darkness. This is godless. And we're literally 10 minutes away from Tucker just saying at this point, the whole Bible can't be trusted because it was written by Jews. This guy does not know what he's talking about, which is why he does shows where he knows he can dominate because he doesn't want to get questioned. He would not stand up to any level of questioning. He couldn't hold Franklin Graham's jock strap. And you can tell where. You can tell he's picking and choosing where to go because he's not interested in a dialogue. He's proselytizing. He is attempting to change your worldview while claiming he's not. This stuff is sinister, and I will push back on it with maximum prejudice. None of you, whether you are. Whether you're the management of this company that gives me a quarterly deposit or whether you are just someone who puts an email in my inbox, none of you will ever talk me out of it because I kind of think maybe I have this platform to bring it full circle for such a time as this. And no, not on my watch. Whatever capacity I have, I will oppose this to the last syllable and breath. I have. Gentlemen, your thoughts.
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Todd Erzin
You know, one of the. I wanted to see it all play out because it would allow me to make my point the best you have. This is a perfect summation of what the problem is with Tucker because it's. The bookends, part one and three are just in. And it's why I've mentioned it before are just full David French territory. Up is down, down is up. Drag queen story hour is a blessing of liberty. But then there's the middle part, and I know we're playing a segmented portion of that and Billy Graham kind of hops in in the first and the second. Just pull him out on that. And about the. The. The degradation of American empire and how it is not Christian anymore. Forget his specific analysis of this, but the. The root, the general theme of that in the middle. You just heard on this very show somebody who also said the same thing and that was Pastor Kerry Gordon. And that's the problem. We're dealing with those two men and us on this show. We are. We are not who we should be. We say that all the time. We have gotten fat and dumb and lazy and all of those things utterly true. So you and. And he's not. Tucker's not alone, as Steve just addressed. That's why Steve just made the point. There's a lot of other people who think this thing, but they are surrounded and bookended by David French craziness. And that's why this moment is so dangerous. And this is why it's so important that we and others do address it in full, not for content. Because our survival of our civilization actually depends on getting this right. Because we're getting so much of it wrong right now.
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Aaron McIntyre
Listen, Victor Glover was a guy none of us knew last week. None of us knew his name last week. And yet he's used every opportunity on an interstellar platform to point you to the truth. Maybe along the lines of what Steve was saying yesterday. Hey, we are special, okay? These UAPs, things like that, these are trying to lead you astray. Whatever. For whatever reason, whoever's doing that. And yesterday, as they lost communication with Earth, hey, love the Lord your God with everything you have, and love your neighbor as yourself. What is he doing? He's pointing people to the light, providing an answer or a reason for the hope within him. Tucker Carlson is doing none of that. Yep, none of that. It's darkness. Oh, boy, though. Oh, boy. You can make utter. You know how I say the only market, the only degrees they're handing out at the University of Hell, our marketing degrees. Because with this nice little tool called marketing, you can make just about the most demonic tripe sound interesting. Steve, I asked you to do this yesterday. You could make anything sound interesting if you dramatically ripped your glasses off like Tucker Carlson did. There you go. There you go.
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Steve Dace
Now say, how dare you insult Islam?
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Aaron McIntyre
Yeah, you can make anything sound and look interesting, but that ought to be
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Steve Dace
this guy's career epitaph. By the way, how dare you insult Islam? That's his drag queen story hour is a blessing of liberty. How dare you insult Islam? That. That should be the tagline forevermore at this point. I'm sorry, Aaron, go ahead.
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Aaron McIntyre
But we're talking about how long ago was September? September, I think 20th. When the memorial service for Charlie was. Was that the last time that any of us can recall Tucker Carlson pointing to something good, true, and beautiful?
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Steve Dace
Yep.
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Aaron McIntyre
When it comes to theology and faith, this is just darkness. It's just darkness. And what does Paul say in Galatians? If anyone or any angel comes to you preaching a different gospel than what you have heard, let him be accursed.
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Todd Erzin
Galatians 1:8.
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Aaron McIntyre
Yeah, let him be accursed. You may be thinking or wondering, Aaron, he's not changing the gospel. Yeah, he is. This is all part of a grand program of the deconstructing and the. The cloud pivoting of Christianity in some ways, trying to overload it with information, overload the framework that's been given with
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Steve Dace
information, new information, repentance, never address, regenerate that.
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Aaron McIntyre
And trying to build something up in, like, his own image. It's very odd. And maybe the biggest proof of this is just yesterday with his guest, his newest guest. Christianity is socialism or socialism is Christianity, right? Yeah. Yeah. Oh, no. He is preaching a different gospel. It's a different systematic deconstruction here, but he is preaching a different gospel. Be warned.
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Steve Dace
And I'm going to say this again, you Ron Paulers who think he's your new guy, your. Your new coattail you're going to ride, be forewarned.
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Pastor Kerry Gordon
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Steve Dace
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Todd Erzin
They don't have to because Tucker's doing it for him.
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Steve Dace
Tucker's doing it for him. They don't have to. He's doing it for him. What do we typically call people to give aid and comfort to your enemies?
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Aaron McIntyre
Traitors.
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Steve Dace
Traitors is what we typically call those people. Yeah. Let's get to Pop Culture Tuesday, where we look at what's trending in pop culture and how it aligns with what we view as good, true and beautiful that we are trying to conserve as conservatives. I want to spend a few minutes telling you guys about a movie that I don't know how much longer it'll be in theaters because I think it's one of those kind of like fathom events, special things. And we're getting into a busy time of year where a lot more movies are coming out. But this is a movie worthy of your support, and it's called An American Awakening about George Whitfield, the great colonial era British evangelist who essentially gets ran out of England because they don't want to hear the word of God anymore. So he comes over here hoping to find a more receptive audience, and him, along with Jonathan Edwards and a few others, I mean, they essentially were, they were for the Revolutionary War in many respects, what Pope John Paul II was for the Cold War in the Reagan era. All right, that he provided a lot of the spiritual moral framework, opposition to communism. That didn't just make it a civilizational or an ideological struggle or a technocratic struggle, as Reagan and Thatcher were arguing. He provided the spiritual moral framework to that battle to point out that this evil empire is not just a rhetorical flourish, that communism, statism is satanic in its very origin. It's godless in its very origin. And in many respects, these colonial preachers, they provided that spiritual moral framework for the American Revolution. That's why you've heard us say revival or bust on the show, that if we're going to preserve liberty in on this continent, then we're going to need. We're going to need some kind of an awakening like that which preceded it in the first place. And the movie is very well done. And there are moments, there are places that you know you can tell if you try hard. You got to try hard, though, which is to its credit. You can tell where they did every. They pinched every dollar they could to get this thing made with the budget they had. It's. Jonathan Blair is the writer. Never heard of him before. He also plays George Whitfield and he does a marvelous job. And what I really love that this movie does is it's not just a biopic of George Whitefield, but they do it through the prism and recollections of one of his dear friends, Dr. Benjamin Franklin. And of course, Franklin is considered one of the most skeptical of religion of all of our founding fathers. Maybe among the more lascivious of our founding fathers who enjoyed his time in the courts of Paris and King James and London, maybe more than he should have. Wink, wink. And so by telling Whitefield's story through Franklin and his skepticism, it's a very clever storyteller device because it makes the story accessible to believers and unbelievers alike. It is very well done. It also points out there was a controversy with Whitefield late in his life. He had a place for children that were orphans and orphanages down in Georgia. And to keep it alive, he resorted to using some of the slave labor in that community. He was heavily criticized for it at the time. That is included in the film. So it doesn't pull that punch either. People aren't held up to be superhuman or perfect along the way. You will meet George Washington, you'll meet Alexander Hamilton, you'll meet John and Charles Wesley, who were adamant and mentoring and discipling George Whitefield in England. And you'll learn that Methodists used to lead revivals. Now they just lead the rainbow jihad. And you'll see how far gone from our culture and birthright and legacy as a people we are. One of the most fascinating scenes in the film is when Franklin attempts one last negotiation with the court of King James there in England, the latest descendant on the throne, King George iii, to make the argument to give some level of agency and autonomy to the colonies, to recognize that they are British citizens. And he says, hey, there's been a great revival people are having there. And now that they are free of the bondage of their own sin in Christ, they that they now are capable of governing themselves more and don't require the bondage of government. And to hear Franklin make that case, I think was quite powerful. They used this movie to tell the story of where Franklin's famous prayer at the Constitutional convention where he calls for people to take a break from their bickering, to appeal to the Father of Lights and says, listen, if a sparrow cannot rise from the ground without his will, I mean, there's no way an empire can do the same either, you know. And this movie essentially tells how Benjamin Franklin at the end of his life got to the point where those are some of his final words and the, the recordings of the history of the founding of this country. It's, it's really well done. My wife greatly enjoyed it as well. I cannot recommend it more highly. Again, it's called An American Awakening. And I, I think it's an ideal film and message for the times in which we live right now. And I think you'll enjoy it. And I want to say this last thing, and I mean this as a compliment, I really do. This is the kind of film that live action film that Disney made when Walt was still alive or still the inspiration for, for, for, for their mission and content. Todd, this could have absolutely been a two hour, you know, Sunday night Disney film after dinner when we all get around the table. You know, when we were little kids, this could have absolutely been that kind of a film. And I, and I mean that as a compliment. All right. So I could not recommend it more highly.
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Todd Erzin
Well, we talked about it. Like you said, we were having a conversation off air. But I just, and I'll repeat what I said then about the, the providential timing that occurs on this show, like segments all chosen independent of one another that have a seamless message because I just got done telling you for, for better, for worse, the commonality of the middle segment between that Tucker had with Pastor Kerry Gordon and then you go full revival or bust by by talking about a movie that has to do with the original American revival. And I'm just reminded once again of that old senior statesman pastor at that conference you were at a couple days ago when he just looked a bunch of senior senior statesman in the eye. You were a, you were one of the younger men in that audience. You said, and he just said, you guys say you want revival. Do you know what that's going to mean? So here we are at the end of this show and that's what we have to ask of ourselves. So we don't think Tucker has the answers and he's leading us astray. But we do have a feeling that Pastor Kyrgy Goring is onto something. And Aaron's point about maybe Nigeria is closer to being a place we'd want to live than the trajectory American is on. Which idols are we going to smash on the Disney front? That's a perfect example. If Disney won't make those movies anymore, what should we do with Disney in our lives? Etc, Etc, etc, down the line? If we won't front those issues specifically, then we're just filling time and doing content. But if we will, then we are making the main thing. The main thing.
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Aaron McIntyre
Amen to that. That sounds like a fantastic movie, Steve. And I think even from a historical standpoint, just a reminder, these things happened, these people happened.
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Steve Dace
They're real.
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Aaron McIntyre
We have their writings. We know what they believed. In large part it can. If it already happened, something similar can happen again. But the longer we clutch the idols that Todd talks about, the harder and more painful it will be to perhaps have another great awakening or some sort of revival. The harder and more painful it will be. But also, conversely, we're on the same token, the more necessary it becomes, the harder we clutch to those idols.
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Steve Dace
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Pastor Kerry Gordon
Eve,
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Steve Dace
well, I mean, if you, you eat of this, you'll be like God, knowing good and evil. There is some truth to this. Now he gets them to fall for this by claiming they'll be like God. He appeals to their pride. But the truth. But he, but he did say a truthful statement. You will now know good and evil. Now, he didn't tell him how, but, but it's true. By disobeying God, they bring evil into the world. And now they know what it is. Which is why their initial instincts are to cover their own nakedness and to hide, because they are experiencing shame for the first time. The enemy is not going to come to you on a Tuesday morning, right before lunchtime, when the attractive office assistant that you have a pretty good idea is interested in you. And you and your wife haven't enjoyed marital bliss in a bit because you're not getting along very well and you're feeling kind of neglected as a husband, and maybe she's let herself go, so you're justifying your wandering eye with that lie. And the enemy is not going to come to you and say, listen here, okay? If you go and smash that office assistant over lunch, your entire life's going to be over, right? However long you think that orgasm is going to last and that dopamine hit's gonna get a hitchhiker. And, and, and, and is what you're missing, you need to know, though, your kids will turn on you, you'll lose your reputation, your wife will leave you, probably take half of what you own, which isn't even that much to begin with, right, guys? Is the enemy gonna say that to you? Is he gonna say that?
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Todd Erzin
No.
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Steve Dace
Now, if he did say that, how, how much less likely would you be to go ahead and smash that office assistant and commit adultery with her if he just told you that up front?
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Aaron McIntyre
Hopefully, at least a bit.
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Steve Dace
At least a bit. That's why he doesn't tell you that. He just talks about you will get a dopamine hit. I mean, you're not tempted because it's going to feel bad. You're not tempted because she's unattractive. So it's appealing to your eye and it will be appealing to your nerve endings. That's why the focus is on that. That is true. If it wasn't true, you would not be tempted to do it. But the consequences of following, following along, that understanding of truth, he never shares that with you. Is it true that there is a great decline of Christianity in America? And a lot of times what is preached from pulpits in modern day America doesn't resemble any of the Christianity that made America? Is that true? Yes. Do we tell you that all the time? Yes. But is Tucker pointing you to the Christianity that did establish and save America? He doesn't say, listen, in the last 20 years, you guys turn this all in for Hawaiian shirts and skinny jeans and just made it about building, you know, cathedrals to yourselves in the suburbs. That's not what he says, is he? No. The whole of world post World War II Christianity. So Billy Graham, the most pivotal figure of, of all of World War II, post World World War II Christianity, maybe in the world. That whole thing was a scam then. See, you're gonna get deceived because there's enough truth. That's why, you know, that's why it's not important. It's not as much important to assess what they're saying as much as. Or as much as what they want you to do in response. What's the course of action here? What course of action did the deceiver inspire in you? Does he inspire despair or conviction? There's a difference. Does he inspire you to go further into the word of God or to run away from it? Does he minimize sin, repentance, redemption, regeneration? The last three of those four all being action verbs. So does he inspire those actions that. That those works of faith? Because without those, your faith would be dead. Or, or does he inspire you to just keep listening and keep tuning in and don't ever do anything because it won't make a difference anyway. There's absolutely no hope. Just keep tuning in. Keep getting your download of despair, of nihilism, of black pills, you know, a tree by its fruit. What kind of people ought we to be? How now shall we live? Why do you call me Lord if you do not do what I say? My sheep hear my voice. I have the words that bring eternal life. I am the resurrection in the life. Absolutely nothing Tucker is preaching draws you closer to anything I just said. And those are the words of our Lord. So of course some of his complaints are going to have some truth in them, otherwise you would not be tempted. But the actions and the follow through that he wants are to draw you further away from your Lord and that's how you know he is a deceiver. It's just a matter of whether it's malevolent, he's he's satanically induced himself, or he's just this level of deceit that he doesn't know any better. Either way, the end results are the same and I will continue to confront this because it is done in the name of Christ. Trump is not dropping F bombs in an Easter Truth social post in the name of Christ. Everything Tucker Carlson is doing is in the name of Christ. And pretty much everything he's doing in the name of Christ, I tell you, is exactly wrong. We're back at it again Tomorrow noon to 2 Eastern, right after Glenn Beck, right here on BlazeTV. Until then, go hard. Romans 8:28.
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Todd Erzin
Sa.