Why VANCE Is the Most Effective Messenger Since REAGAN | 5/6/26

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Podcast Summary

Steve Deace Show – "Why VANCE Is the Most Effective Messenger Since REAGAN"

Date: May 6, 2026
Host: Steve Deace, with Todd Erzin and Aaron McIntyre
Network: Blaze Podcast Network

Episode Theme & Purpose

The main focus of this episode is a critical, snark-laden exploration of current conservative politics, with particular emphasis on Vice President J.D. Vance’s rise as a powerful, effective conservative messenger akin to Ronald Reagan. The hosts cover the ongoing Iran conflict, political races and primaries, intra-GOP dynamics, and media/leftist narratives, using their trademark blend of sarcasm, cynicism, and movement activism. Steve Deace shares personal anecdotes, especially regarding the importance of political messaging and authenticity in leadership.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Technical Difficulties & Banter

• The episode opens with a humorous segment about recurring technical problems.
  • Steve Deace references mysterious patterns, hinting at unknown causes (“I know what the problem is… I just can’t say so publicly yet… seen this pattern before…” [00:36])
  • Todd Erzin jokes: “Aliens.” [00:59]
  • Aaron McIntyre details the extra work trying to fix the show’s tech: “20 hours engineering this, Steve…” [00:22]
  • The crew quips about awkward show starts and recurring technical mishaps, a running theme woven into the show’s irreverent tone.

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2. News Montage: Political & Cultural Updates

Segment Lead-in: [04:03]–[10:01]
Aaron presents a “what happened while we were away” news montage:

• Foreign Affairs:

  • President Trump announces the end of Operation Epic Fury, introduces “Project Freedom,” and (seemingly) pivots to a potential deal with Iran.
  • Steve Dace: “Assuming Iran agrees to give what has been agreed to… the already legendary Epic Fury will be at an end. […] If they don’t agree, the bombing starts and it will be, sadly, at a much higher level…” [04:08]

• J.D. Vance in Iowa:

  • J.D. Vance criticized Democrats for prioritizing illegal immigration and neglecting working Americans and farmers.
    • “Every single congressional Democrat sit on their hands. They didn’t care about you…” [05:49, attributed to Steve Dace/clip of Vance]

• Primary Recaps:

  • Indiana: Five incumbent legislators ousted by Trump and Turning Point USA-backed efforts due to redistricting failures.
  • Ohio: Vivek Ramaswamy wins Republican gubernatorial primary.
  • California: Democratic candidate Katie Porter agrees to health care for undocumented immigrants; former LA mayoral candidate Spencer Pratt’s viral ad presented.

• Crime & Media:

  • Viral video of an attack in Seattle discussed; the hosts criticize leftist governance and apathy toward public safety.

• Cultural Clips:

  • Barack Obama’s Colbert interview called “a masterclass on projection” regarding weaponization of the justice system [08:05].
  • California political ads—Katie Porter as the “relatable” single mom, Spencer Pratt attacking corrupt LA politicians—are humorously dissected.

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3. Commentary on Democrat Policy Consequences

Segment: [10:03]–[14:39]

• Wealth Taxes & “Sowing/Reaping” Philosophy:
  • Steve Dace rants that wealthy leftist voters in Washington state should pay the high taxes they vote for:
    • Quote: “You should absolutely stay and pay what you voted for. I think that’s only just right.” [11:23]
• California Healthcare for Illegal Immigrants:
  • Hosts agree Californians “deserve” to pay for undocumented immigrants’ health care, since it’s what they’ve repeatedly voted for.
  • Quote: “Californians absolutely deserve to be funding the health care of illegal aliens. In fact, that’s amongst the truest things that I’ve seen a politician say…” [12:45]
  • They express mock surprise this wasn’t already law.

4. Political Realignment & Party Dynamics

Segment: [16:03]–[18:13]

• Possible Republican Governor in California:
  • Discussion of California’s “jungle primary” system potentially allowing two Republicans to reach the general, due to vote splitting among Democrats.
  • Steve Dace: “Wouldn’t it be funny, by the way? Actually, it would be hilarious…if a Republican who ended up getting like 19% in the jungle primary ended up becoming governor of California using their own system…”

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5. J.D. Vance as Messenger: Reagan Comparisons and Authenticity

Main Thematic Segment: [19:47]–[28:35]

• Steve shares a private meeting with VP J.D. Vance (without details), praising his authenticity and communication:
  • Vance combines the “everyman” touch with a Reaganesque mastery of issues and tough messaging.
  • Comparison to Reagan: Both had underestimated toughness and “salt” (edge), not just geniality.
    • Quote: “He’s a Terminator level messenger…possible he’s the best messenger we’ve had since Reagan…” [21:53]
  • Steve recounts a story about Trump’s personal touch and how genuine connection—not just rehearsed talking points—makes a difference in political leaders’ success.
    • Quote: “Trump…is a master at connecting personally with people.” [23:11]
  • He singles out Vance’s “real guy” appeal—“still changing diapers at home”—as invaluable for future national prospects.

Memorable Exchange:

• Todd Erzin: “That’s why the Democrats are terrified of him…he actually is the people.” [28:35]
• Aaron McIntyre: “I’ve never seen an audience yet that throws him off. And that’s why the left is terrified of him.”

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6. Buy, Sell, or Hold – Rapid-Fire Audience Prompts (Political and Pop-Culture Satire)

Key Riff: [32:03]–[33:08+, recurring]

• The hosts answer assorted audience propositions, ranging from campaign strategy, political media figures, and cable company customer service (!), to the rumor of Ellen Page being cast as Achilles (which becomes a running joke and a meme for the absurdity of modern pop culture).

Notable Satirical Quotes:

• Steve, on punishment for bad political analysis:
  “You have to sit on Lindsey Graham’s lap and read literally every headline about the Iran war for the last seven days…” [33:47]
• On cable company customer service miracles:
  “Maybe Todd has broken me in this show, but…every one of these people realizes they're all losing their jobs to AI so there's really no incentive to pressure you and stuff anymore…” [41:43]

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7. Foreign Policy vs. Domestic Priorities

Segment: [46:09]–[60:42]

• Trump’s Foreign Policy Record Critiqued:
  • Listeners submit whether Trump’s aggressive foreign actions set him up to be a “top five president.”
  • Steve Dace pushes back, saying that “average Americans” feel disconnected—foreign accomplishments don’t improve their lives.
    • Quote: “It's hard to make the case to the American people, man... Grab the average American... ask them, what benefit are you getting from all of these foreign adventures... and what would they say?” [46:34]
  • Emphasizes: The GOP must show “as much fight for our own homeland as we are in other lands.”
• Discussion of Possible U.S. Territorial Expansion into Iran/Venezuela:
  • Satirical but pointed: “You put American refineries there…sell [oil] to our allies…put your puppet government… make Venezuela and Iran great again, too.” [61:12]
  • Todd warns about the risk: “The odds of us having to put boots on the ground… go up.” [63:06]

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8. Messaging, Accountability & Trump’s Leadership Style

• Steve Dace repeatedly laments a lack of clear movement strategy, especially regarding primary challenges to establishment Republicans:
  • “Why have we not just done this to these rhinos everywhere?...one of the reasons why John Thune’s not lying when he says he doesn’t have the votes for the SAVE Act…” [79:20]

Daniel Horowitz Segment [79:20]–[93:00]:

• Daniel Horowitz joins to underscore frustration with GOP leadership and movement passivity.
  • Notes that MAGA can defeat entrenched Republican incumbents (as in Indiana), but Trump’s loyalty to incumbents or staying out can sabotage actual accountability and progress.
  • Key insight: “We have a movement for getting up to the plate… but then we don’t want to play the ball.” [81:56]
  • Warns that without a clear movement willing to challenge incumbents everywhere, nothing fundamental changes.

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Important Segments & Timestamps

• [05:34] – J.D. Vance’s Iowa remarks contrasting GOP and Democrats
• [12:45] – “Californians deserve” to pay for illegal aliens’ health care
• [21:53] – Steve Deace: “Vance is a Terminator level messenger…possible he’s the best…since Reagan.”
• [28:35] – Todd Erzin: “That’s why the Democrats are terrified of him…he actually is the people.”
• [33:23] – Steve: “I’m Iran Doubt. I really have much commentary…” (on Iran war fatigue)
• [41:43] – “Customer service miracles” signaling end times or AI.
• [46:34] – “It's hard to make the case to the American people…” (on foreign intervention fatigue)
• [61:12] – Steve’s satirical plan: Make Iran/Venezuela U.S. territories/energy sources
• [79:20] – Daniel Horowitz discusses the limits of GOP/MAGA strategy and Trump endorsements
• [81:56]–[83:00] – Horowitz: “We have a movement for getting up to the plate…but don't want to play the ball."

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Tone & Memorable Moments

• Tone:
  • Wry, cynical, unapologetically snarky, occasionally self-deprecating. The hosts alternate between humorously venting frustrations and genuinely analyzing political substance.
• Running Jokes/Quotes:
  • “Sit on Lindsey Graham’s lap and read the news…”
  • “Aliens are coming” (explaining technical gremlins, [01:36])
  • Ellen Page as Achilles—a tongue-in-cheek harbinger of cultural degeneration.
  • References to “laws of sowing and reaping” as the theme of voters getting exactly what they've supported.

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Conclusion:

For Conservatives:

• The episode frames J.D. Vance as a transformative conservative communicator with real “everyman” credentials and compares him to formative, unlikely-to-be-repeated figures like Ronald Reagan.
• The show’s central frustration: the right has tremendous tools (MAGA activism, base fury, opportunities for insurgent primaries) but lacks coordinated, strategic leadership—exemplified by Trump’s erratic endorsement pattern.

For All Listeners:

• The success of MAGA-backed candidates in Indiana is held up as what’s possible but is quickly tempered by movement skepticism and leadership inconsistency.
• The show weaves together mockery of leftist policies, cultural wokeness, and establishment cowardice, set against a backdrop of world-weariness over endless war and policy stagnation.

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Notable Quotes (with timestamps and attribution)

• Steve Deace:

  • “He’s a Terminator level messenger…possible he’s the best…since Reagan.” [21:53]
  • “You should absolutely stay and pay what you voted for.” [11:23]
  • “You have to sit on Lindsey Graham’s lap and read literally every headline about the Iran war for the last seven days.” [33:47]
  • “It's hard to make the case to the American people, man...what benefit are you getting from all of these foreign adventures…?” [46:34]

• Todd Erzin:

  • “That’s why the Democrats are terrified of him…he actually is the people.” [28:35]
  • “If our enemy is going to cast Ellen Page as Achilles, we need to bring our fastball in return.” [60:42]

• Daniel Horowitz:

  • “We have a movement for getting up to the plate… but then we don’t want to play the ball.” [81:56]

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For those who haven’t listened:
This episode provides a comprehensive—if tumultuous—snapshot of the current conservative political climate, with unfiltered analysis from seasoned movement veterans. Whether you seek insight into MAGA’s future, the Vance phenomenon, or are in need of cultural catharsis, Deace and crew combine news parody with movement critique in equal measure.

Transcript

[Steve Dace]

Did we just not work anymore?

[Aaron McIntyre]

Apparently. 20 hours engineering this, Steve. 20 hours. I spent another eight hours, spent another two hours this morning before I even worked on the montage. Nothing's working.

[Steve Dace]

You know what? I know what the problem is, and I'm dead serious. I just can't say so publicly yet, but I know what the problem is. And I think if you guys think really long and hard, I think you'll figure out what I'm alluding to here.

[Todd Erzin]

Aliens.

[Steve Dace]

No, not ready to discuss it publicly yet, but I think I know what the problem here is. I've seen this pattern of events before. Things just seemingly, for whatever reason, don't work. Things, whatever reason, everything is harder than it has to be. I've. I've seen this pattern before. I have lived through this pattern before. I've almost not lived through this pattern before. Are you guys picking up when I'm laying down now?

[Todd Erzin]

Did you see that Ellen Page is going to be playing Achilles?

[Steve Dace]

You still apparently have not picked up what I'm laying down.

[Todd Erzin]

Oh, I'm picking it all up because

[Steve Dace]

you're just trolling me. I'm being serious. Are you picking up what I'm laying down? See where I'm getting out here?

[Todd Erzin]

All of it.

[Steve Dace]

Who the culprit may actually be behind

[Todd Erzin]

all of this and everything else I've just said, too.

[Steve Dace]

Well, that's probably.

[Todd Erzin]

I told you I was picking up what you're laying down. Are you picking up what I'm laying down?

[Steve Dace]

All right, fair. That's totally fair.

[Aaron McIntyre]

I figured out. I figured out what happened technically. Well, that I'm ready to go with a montage.

[Steve Dace]

Here's what. Here's what the audience needs to know is when I came in, Aaron was rehearsing this. When I came in 30 minutes ago, Aaron was rehearsing this pretty much the entire time, including up to one minute before we began. Aaron was doing dry runs of all this tech to make sure, because I heard it in my earpiece, he was running through the entire time. And then all of a sudden, right when it mattered, stuff that is inexplicable begins to happen. Except it's not really inexplicable. There is an explanation, but. And there may be a period of time in the not too distant future, I may hopefully have some news that might make some of this all make a lot of sense as to why this is all going on. So that also means for you. For you guys, though, make sure. Make sure you've had your physicals and you're up to date on any current medical conditions, including any mysterious unknown infections, that of an unknown origin that may pop up that you're unaware of. Fair.

[Todd Erzin]

Fair.

[Steve Dace]

Is this the absolute most awkward start to this show?

[Todd Erzin]

No.

[Steve Dace]

Okay. No, no. It's been worse than this.

[Todd Erzin]

Well, that's not a matter of worse. Awkward.

[Aaron McIntyre]

Oh, it's been worse, too. Out of the last three shows where there's been a montage, this was, this was at least an intro.

[Steve Dace]

Yesterday I was irritated. Today, I just want to go give Aaron a hug because, man, I heard him working hard, running through all the keys, making sure everything worked till literally one minute before the show started. I must have heard the montage like three times since I got here. And I tried never to hear it once before it airs. All right, anyway, greetings. This is the Steve Day Show. I am Steve Dace, he is Todders, and he is Aaron McIntyre. All right, you guys know the drill on a Wednesday. Buy Seller hold is going to start. That's it. That's if anything works. Buy Seller Hold. We'll start here at the bottom of the hour. Next hour, some key primary races around the country that we'll be able to learn some lessons from. And Daniel Horowitz is. Daniel Horowitz is going to teach them to us. Coming up later in the show. But

[Aaron McIntyre]

dear Lord.

[Steve Dace]

All right, let's find out what happened while we were away.

[Aaron McIntyre]

It's the Steve Day show. And here's what happened while we were away, brought to you by another deal. I don't. At this point, fewer than 48 hours after the announcement of Project Freedom from President Trump and just hours after Secretary of State Marco Rubio reiterated the new project's purpose and confirmed Operation Epic Fury is at its end. President Trump, seemingly out of nowhere last night posted on Truth Social that at the behest of mediators in Pakistan and others, the US Is ceasing its new maritime security humanitarian operation while keeping the ongoing blockade of Iran in place. And this morning, media reports started circulating intimating the US And Iran are closer to a deal than at any other point in the ceasefire. A one page deal at that. President Trump says, quote, assuming Iran agrees to give what has been agreed to, which is perhaps a big assumption, the already legendary Epic Fury will be at an end. And the highly effective blockade will allow the Hormuz Strait to be open to all, including Iran. If they don't agree, the bombing starts and it will be, sadly, at a much higher level of intensity than it was before. Yesterday, Trump spoke to reporters.

[Steve Dace]

They should wave.

[Daniel Horowitz]

They're very proud.

[Steve Dace]

Maybe you won't see a white flag,

[Daniel Horowitz]

but essentially that's already what they are.

[Steve Dace]

They need, they should wave the white, the flag, the white flag of surrender.

[Aaron McIntyre]

Moving on, campaign season Updates. Vice President J.D. vance visited Iowa and provided a stark contrast with Democrats.

[Steve Dace]

The President United States asked the entire President Congress to stand for the simple principle that the people's government ought fight

[Daniel Horowitz]

for the American people first. What did we see? We said we saw every single congressional

[Steve Dace]

Democrat sit on their hands. They didn't care about you. They didn't care about the people of this district. They didn't care about the farmers or the factory workers or the people who actually make this country run. Because now we have in Washington, D.C.

[Daniel Horowitz]

a, a Democrat party that is so focused on illegal immigration, that is so focused on people who don't have the

[Steve Dace]

legal right to be here, that is

[Daniel Horowitz]

so focused on fraud because so many

[Steve Dace]

of their friends get rich from fraud

[Daniel Horowitz]

that they forgot to look after you.

[Aaron McIntyre]

Several primaries took place yesterday, notably in Indiana, where a slate of incumbent state legislators lost their seats owing to the engagement of President Trump and Turning Point USA after those legislators failed to redistrict. In the Hoosier state, no fewer than five incumbent state legislators who oppose redistricting lost their races yesterday. In Ohio, gubernatorial candidate Vivek Ramaswamy won his Republican primary easily. He'll take on Amy Acton for Ohio governor in the general election. In California, that state's governor's race is heating up. During a CNN debate last night, former congresswoman and Democrat candidate Katie Porter said,

[Steve Dace]

your thoughts on the idea of funding health care for undocumented immigrants statewide? Yes, yes. And that's by the way, what I

[Aaron McIntyre]

think Californians deserve more California politics in a little bit. In Seattle, a newly released video shows two men attacking a 77 year old man who is walking down the street minding his own business in downtown Seattle last month. The incident was captured by the city's real time crime center surveillance cameras which monitor public areas that have been identified as crime hotspots. In the video, the victim is seen walking slowly down a sidewalk approaching a pharmacy. Without any prior interaction, the two men shove the man to the ground and punch him. Ahmed Abdullahi Osman, a 29 year old, was arrested the night of the April 19 attack. Later released from custody without bail, he now has a warrant out for his arrest. The victim of the attack suffered several broken bones and is still in the hospital. By the way, here's Seattle's Mayor, Katie Wilson. Not that long ago, I think the

[Daniel Horowitz]

claims that millionaires are going to leave

[Aaron McIntyre]

Our state are like, super overblown.

[Steve Dace]

And if you know the ones that leave, like, bye.

[Aaron McIntyre]

So former President Barack Obama gave an interview to CBS's Stephen Colbert where he provided a masterclass on projection.

[Steve Dace]

We can't overcome the politicization of the criminal justice system, the awesome power of the state. You can't have a situation in which whoever's in charge of the government starts using that to go after their political enemies or reward their friends.

[Aaron McIntyre]

And finally, a tale of two California political ads. You may recall gubernatorial candidate Katie Porter being caught on a hot mic screaming at a staffer to get out of her camera frame and the state could lose.

[Daniel Horowitz]

Get out of my shot. You also were in my shot before that. Stay out of my shot.

[Aaron McIntyre]

Well, Porter has a new ad for her gubernatorial campaign out.

[Daniel Horowitz]

I'm Katie Porter, and I'm not like most people who run for governor.

[Steve Dace]

I actually get what you're going through.

[Daniel Horowitz]

A single mom of three kids, I

[Steve Dace]

know what it's like to push the shopping cart.

[Daniel Horowitz]

My Minivan has almost 200,000 miles. I have a grown kid who may soon be living on my couch.

[Aaron McIntyre]

To give Californians what they need.

[Daniel Horowitz]

It's gonna take standing up to Donald Trump, calling out greedy corporations and stepping on some toes along the way. Now, could you guys please get out of my shot? Get out of my shot. The bold strategy Cotton. Let's see if it pays off for

[Aaron McIntyre]

meanwhile, in Los Angeles, former reality TV star turned LA mayoral Republican candidate Spencer Pratt released this ad recently. Some are saying it's one of the best of the 2000 and twenties.

[Steve Dace]

This is where Mayor Vass lives. You notice something?

[Daniel Horowitz]

Or here, where Nithya Raman's three million dollar mansion sits.

[Steve Dace]

They don't have to live in the mess they've created. Where you live. This is where I live.

[Daniel Horowitz]

They let my home burn down. I know what the consequences of failed leadership are. That's why I'm running for mayor. For my sons and the rest of us Angelenos that want to stop these corrupt politicians from destroying our city. We are going to get the golden age of Los Angeles back.

[Aaron McIntyre]

That'll do. And that's what happened while we were away.

[Steve Dace]

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[Todd Erzin]

It's Valhalla, right?

[Steve Dace]

100. That's equal weights and measures. You voted for it. This is what you guys, the wealthier you are, the more, the more degrees you have these days, the more likely you are to vote Democrat. It's completely flipped since when you and I were kids, right? So by all means, I, I hope that all the millionaires in the state of Washington do stay and, and, and pay their fair share because that's what they voted for and they have voted for for many, many years, in fact.

[Todd Erzin]

And there's no more room for them to run to Texas anymore because of all the H1B.

[Steve Dace]

That's true. Between the H1Bs and all the illegals, they're, they're out of space there for you. So yes, I also have to agree this is a weird day. Is there something mystical or anything? And you guys have like the mystical liturgy calendar. Is there anything on May 6th? I need to know because I'm going to also now say something I never thought I'd say in my entire career. I agree with Katie Porter. I mean, is there, is there anything on the liturgical calendar that I just was not properly Ingrained as a Protestant that was, Would make today somewhat surreal.

[Todd Erzin]

I don't know about that, but I know that Republicans are voting to compost people down in Oklahoma. So there's.

[Steve Dace]

But do they deserve it anyway on California? All right, I agree with Katie Porter. Californians absolutely deserve to be funding the health care of illegal aliens. In fact, that's amongst the truest things that I've seen a politician say in the year of our Lord 2026. I mean, isn't that what she said at the end of the clip? Not only that, Aaron, I think she said that Californians deserve this. Yes, I couldn't agree more. How could we possibly disagree that Californians absolutely deserve to be paying for the health care of illegal aliens?

[Aaron McIntyre]

She caught herself by trying to say she. Californians deserve this. These types of answers to questions.

[Steve Dace]

Yeah, yeah. Well, I mean, again, that's what you voted for. That's who you are. So by all means, accept the fullness of the consequences of your actions. You wanted a, a one party state, you've become a one party state. In fact, can I even be more brutally honest than I typically am here? Were you not, Was I the only one of the three of us that was shocked to hear Californians were not already paying for the health care of illegal aliens? I mean, the fact that it's being debated whether Californians should pay for the health care of illegal aliens makes me wonder, is it, how is it possible they weren't already? How was this oversight? How was this foreign country known as California where you work to pay. You work and live there to pay for those who don't belong there and don't work? How is it possible they were not already doing this? How did this one slip through the cracks? I would have, I would have thought that this would have been correct, been, you know, instituted on day one. Right. I mean, what, I mean it's a state for, by and from illegal aliens. So I mean, a primary need would be that they would require is some form of medical care. Right. You know, so I'm kind of stunned that you guys haven't been doing this all along.

[Todd Erzin]

May the odds be ever in your 100%.

[Steve Dace]

By all means. I'm, I'm, I am a, I'm a huge, I'm like a groupie level fan of the laws of sowing and reaping. Like, groupie levels. I like, I can fetishize the laws of sowing and reaping. Like, I, I just love watching people reap what they sow. I get off on it going to be totally honest with you, I do. So by all means, if you're a wealthy PhD in Washington state, chances are you voted for the very people that told you they're going to do a wealth tax. So come get some. Right. I mean, I would expect you to be first in line to write the check. Correct.

[Todd Erzin]

Get busy living. I get busy.

[Steve Dace]

You voted for it. And then if you're in the People's Republic of California. I couldn't agree more. Based on the collective actions of that state and what it's done to America over the last 40 years, couldn't agree more. That Californians deserve to pay for the health care of illegal aliens. And if anything, I'm stunned you're not already doing so. Thoughts on that? Well, is that a cynical enough start on a random May Wednesday for you,

[Todd Erzin]

considering that Iowans are flirting with going their own path down the road you just mentioned we may not have such a laugh track within the next year, but we'll take it while we get it.

[Aaron McIntyre]

Isn't it somewhat shocking that for the better part, if you believe polling of this California gubernatorial race, they've been flirting with a guaranteed Republican governor? They have been, because there are so many. And by the way, I think this is still understated.

[Steve Dace]

I mean, the two Republicans would make the final.

[Aaron McIntyre]

It's a jungle primary. Yeah. And by the way, Eric Swalwell, as I understand, is still on the ballot there. He dropped out too late. I mean, that would be reaping and sowing there. Reaping and sowing. That would be amazing. Now, I don't know the quality necessarily, I think. I mean, we've had Steve Hilton on the show, haven't we?

[Steve Dace]

He's been on a couple times, so we'll see. And for you guys just to give it, since Aaron dropped the term there, let's define it, make sure everybody remembers what a jungle primary is. Democrats tried to put these in around the country, starting in California, where all their bad ideas start, where they thought they had hegemony. And so the, the jungle primary means they're nonpartisan primaries. It's not. The Republicans have a primary and then the Democrats do, and then the nominees of those two primaries go at each other in the general. They're all just put in like, you know, law of the jungle, like a battle royale, regardless of what party you're in. All right? And then the top two finishers move on to a runoff for the general election to face each other. That's what that means. And so, yeah, there, there is polling out there. Since Steve Hilton's not the only Republican candidate. And I think nobody's been pulling like over 20%, like this entire time because there's so many candidates. So it's not. I wouldn't say that the odds are high, but way higher than they were like in the last. Since they started this, that we could end up that the top two finishers are Republicans because there's only a couple of them and there's a whole bunch of Democrats and nobody's. And everybody's struggling with so many candidates to get above 20%. So it is. It is possible. Wouldn't it be funny, by the way? Actually, it would be hilarious. It would be absolutely hilarious if a Republican who ended up getting like 19% in the jungle primary ended up becoming governor of California using their own system that they put in place in order to maintain their hegemony against them. Now that. That would even make Todd Erzin laugh, I think. Todd I think, would even laugh at that.

[Todd Erzin]

Speaking of laughing, what are the. What's the over under on California getting a Republican governor and Iowa having a Democrat governor?

[Steve Dace]

Oh, gosh.

[Aaron McIntyre]

Higher than they were three years ago.

[Steve Dace]

Are you incapable of a good time? Can you just not enjoy literally anything? My goodness. Why do you have to do that?

[Todd Erzin]

I am having a good time. It's so stupid.

[Steve Dace]

It's all so stupid.

[Todd Erzin]

We live here. This is where we live. I just. You like math. You like doing the odds way higher

[Steve Dace]

than they should be. I'll say that. All way higher than they should be.

[Todd Erzin]

Ellen Page is going to play Achilles in the Odyssey. We need to consider all the angles.

[Steve Dace]

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[Aaron McIntyre]

I really did turn his mic off.

[Steve Dace]

You did. Aaron really did turn his mic off.

[Aaron McIntyre]

Waiting for you to tell me to turn it back on.

[Steve Dace]

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[Todd Erzin]

Yeah.

[Steve Dace]

And they, and, and that's part of their Personas for sure. But that's, you don't build the empire that Charlie was on the brink of the Death Star. He was on the brink of, you know, pushing the on button to. And you don't become President of the United States against the entire two party establishment as Reagan did by just, you know, aw, shucking people all the way to the top. That's not how power is achieved or acquired on this planet, regardless of your belief system. So their personnel, but, and so their personalities are different. Although Vance is a lot like a younger Reagan in terms of the, the sterner tone, but his ability to also use his understanding of the everyman, given his life story, to kind of then insulate some of the tougher takes he has on the issues. It's, it's pretty masterful. But when you get into whether a guy can be a presidential candidate or not, particularly in our state, pardon me, what kind of a real person are they? Matters a lot, you know. And the thing about Trump, Let me give you a quick anecdote about Trump. There's many, there's several I could share with you, but this one, I think will give you one of the secrets of his success. And so Trump and Sam Nunberg asked me who they should hire to run their Iowa caucus campaign. And I gave them two names. One they tried to hire and the other they did. I gave him a name of a gentleman named Chuck Laudner, who's a former state party chairman in our state and at the time was the best grassroots organizer the state of Iowa had. And then I gave them an up and comer who is now very well connected in the political world. But he was just an up and comer in Iowa and a young man that I've since become very good friends with named Ryan Rhodes. And so they went to interview with Ryan. Ryan was offered Ben Carson asked me the same question. I gave him the same two names. And so Ryan was down to whether to work for Ben Carson or Donald Trump and went to interview with Trump, had a great interview. Trump gave him a Trump tie and tried to close him, but, you know, he just felt more at home with Ben Carson and ended up running Ben Carson's Iowa caucus campaign instead. And so a few months go by and Trump is campaigning in the state, and Ryan decides, hey, I'm going to go over and see the event. You know, I want to see. Is this real? You know, what the crowd's really like, all this hype around Trump. Is it a real thing? You know, and he thought it'd be cool if he went and wore the Trump tie that Trump had given him months ago before he turned him down. That Trump had given him months ago to the event. All right. And so he's there in the receiving line getting ready to talk to Trump. And Trump recognized him right away and looked right at him and said, hey, man, essentially, you're gonna wear my tie and then not. Not take the job. Or he remembered the tie. I recognized that he had given him the tie, recognized, remembered his name. You have to understand, given the amount of people this guy comes into contact all the time. Donald Trump understands how to personally connect with people aside from what you see on the stage. And just as you don't acquire power, as I said a few minutes ago, by just being Mr. Aw, Shucks 24 7, you also, though, don't get to build the following that Trump has by just being the kind of trolling presence on the stage we see all the time, either. You do have to. You're not going to get people to lay down over railroad tracks to fight for you the way Trump does just doing that. You're going to have to be able to inspire them affirmatively. And he is a master at connecting personally with people. And so what I really wanted to see with JD Is because, you know, when Ted ran, he was also a young candidate. And I would not say that Ted was as advanced as JD Is now, but he also was the guy that had, like, the perfect answer to, like, literally everything. And so it was very key when he got into personal situations. Can he connect? It's just a regular person. Because if you can't, people start thinking this stuff is rehearsed and it's not who you really are. Does that make sense? You know, and I will just tell you, the vice president is exceedingly comfortable in his own skin, and he is just as capable as an Ohio State guy of ragging on me for being an obnoxious Michigan fan and pointing out to me there is no other type of Michigan fan than obnoxious as having a very serious conversation about matters that I'll just keep between us, that, you know, ultimately matter a lot to people and not college sports. And I And I think that will go a long way towards what his prospects will be moving forward because there will be moments, and yesterday was one of the first. But as we get closer now to the, to 28, there's going to be moments now where it's not so much going to be about

[Aaron McIntyre]

that.

[Steve Dace]

He understands how to deliver our talking points in devastating fashion. And I, I mean, I can't think of a time that he's ever been off message. I can't think of a time JD Said something I thought that's off message. There's times he's better than he is at other times, but I can't remember once that I thought he was off message. But I think that's going to be very important, though, when you're not on task and you're interacting with people. Personally, though, is there a real person there? And there's a real guy there. There's a real guy that's still changing diapers at home. And I wanted to pass that along to the audience. You guys thoughts on that?

[Todd Erzin]

Well, you're so over the target on that. And that's why the Democrats are terrified of him. And already like six months ago started messaging that, oh yeah, you think Donald Trump is bad when. Wait till you get a load of this guy. They literally did that because we've talked a lot on the right about trying to message into other corners, you know, going into inner cities, things like that. Well, quite frankly, we've never had a messenger like JD Vance. JD Vance can go anywhere. His family was as white trash as it gets, utterly broken with drugs. He can go into the law schools he went over to. Where was he? Davos or he was somewhere in Europe recently. I have yet to see to your point. He's never been off message because I've never seen an audience yet that throws him off. And that's why the left is terrified of him. He actually is the people.

[Aaron McIntyre]

Yes. And there's a reason also why you'll see every now and then this little narrative that gets tossed around with a wink and a nod on social media. Oh, you know, Democrats aren't going to make the same mistake nominating a loser next time around. Good thing Republicans have a plan. A week at an odd that hey, J.D. vance is dead on arrival. There's a reason why they're starting to see that right now and it's just not true.

[Steve Dace]

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[Todd Erzin]

Absolutely.

[Steve Dace]

Let's rock and roll. You guys know how the game is played. Aaron has the submissions that you guys have well submitted. Todd, you and I are going to decide are we going to buy it, we're going to sell it. And then if we don't complete them all, we will, and we usually don't. We will do the rest in the overtime and of course the Game is buy, sell, or hold. You are permitted to hold. You are permitted to hold. All right? But if indeed, if indeed you invoke your hold, that is considered an emasculating maneuver, a self debasement, and it should be roundly punished.

[Todd Erzin]

Like casting Helen Page as.

[Steve Dace]

Is that real? That really happened.

[Todd Erzin]

That's what people are saying.

[Aaron McIntyre]

As whom?

[Todd Erzin]

Achilles.

[Steve Dace]

Achilles

[Aaron McIntyre]

Boy. Isn't that prophetic in a certain way?

[Steve Dace]

Oh, yeah, that'll preach. All right. What could I do? You know what? I didn't bring this up in the opening, but this is a good time for me to segue into the punishment and use it there. I don't know where you guys are at covering the Iran war, but I'm.

[Aaron McIntyre]

I'm Iran out.

[Steve Dace]

I'm Iran Doubt. I mean, I really have much commentary on much of, like, anything. Notice I didn't even bring it up when Aaron put it in the montage. And he was right to do so with that new. I'm kind of like, just come at me when this thing is over. That's kind of where I'm at right now. I really would like to spend more time thinking and talking about my own country. So just come at this thing. Come at me when it's over. Is that fair?

[Todd Erzin]

Sure.

[Steve Dace]

Okay, so here's your punishment then. You have. You have to sit on Lindsey Graham's lap and read literally every headline about the Iran war for the last seven days. And you can't get off his lap until you've read them all. All of them, every headline. Just nothing but Iran, Iran, Iran, Iran, Iran. Every day while sitting on Lindsey Graham's lap.

[Daniel Horowitz]

No.

[Steve Dace]

I mean, I tried to come up with the ugliest. One of the ugliest punishments I've come up with yet. Is that among them?

[Todd Erzin]

They're all.

[Steve Dace]

If you so choose.

[Todd Erzin]

They're all grotesque.

[Steve Dace]

If you prefer. Listen, am I not merciful?

[Todd Erzin]

Probably not. Not in this context. No.

[Steve Dace]

You can prefer to sit on his instead or have him sit on yours. I can't remember. Yeah, have him sit on yours. Yeah, you can do the. Do it that way if you'd rather be on the bottom. You may. You may.

[Todd Erzin]

That's a lot of things. That's not merciful.

[Steve Dace]

No, the opposite of merciful. I thought it was merciful. You get a choice.

[Todd Erzin]

No, this is like, what, exile or death? That's what you just gave us.

[Steve Dace]

Yes, Professor Crane. Yes. That's what I kind of did. Yes. All right, Aaron, fire away.

[Aaron McIntyre]

We'll begin with Trumpet Tiger. Who says we need a Thursday overtime Once a week replacing three non political questions with Anna, Ainsley and Bella. Or possibly a half hour replacement instead. Part of an evergreen. Aaron can be there pushing buttons, but he's not permitted to speak. So what do you think of that idea? Just nixing you and Todd and replacing y' all with Anna, Ainslie and Bella? I think that might be a little bit awkward. Like what do we talk about? But I don't know. That's an idea.

[Steve Dace]

I think it's a terrible idea. What do you think? I don't think it's a terrible idea at all.

[Todd Erzin]

Well, I've mentioned something like this before. Like there's obvious an appetite for, you know, women sitting around talking about stuff like we can't do better than the view just as a point of pride. Like, why don't we start there then?

[Steve Dace]

I don't think it's a terrible idea.

[Todd Erzin]

I don't know.

[Steve Dace]

I don't. The issue you'd have is, I mean, well, you've got two of these women are in their mom era. You have another one here who's, you know, finishing up college and a high end of athletics kind of trying to find where their schedules would all mesh to make this possible is not really an easy thing to accomplish at this particular moment in each of their lives. Right. Okay. But conceptually I don't think it's a terrible idea whatsoever. I think it'd be interesting.

[Todd Erzin]

Well, Ainsley's a matter of months from being here back in Iowa, so I think it's more possible than ever.

[Steve Dace]

I'm pretty confident people are going to be interested in finding things for her to do. I'm pretty sure that that's going to be the case. But yeah, not to mention, I just don't think an ers and daughter comes back from being the SEC Scholar athlete of the year to, you know, I'm just kind of finding myself in mom and dad's basement taking a gap year. I don't think that's how things fly at the ears and house probably.

[Todd Erzin]

No, it is not.

[Steve Dace]

It is not. Yeah, that's kind of what I'm thinking. Yeah.

[Aaron McIntyre]

Jonathan is next. Who says, like most men these days, Steve greatly disappointed Jill Savage on Friday by not including a Lindsey Graham rating scale. So here's a replacement. It's Lindsey Graham on the beach making a 6947 message out of seashells.

[Steve Dace]

Oh, that's not real

[Aaron McIntyre]

seashells.

[Steve Dace]

Somebody sure somebody did not do that. That can't be real.

[Todd Erzin]

Who's to say

[Steve Dace]

that can't be real.

[Todd Erzin]

Who's to say Ellen Page is playing Achilles in Odyssey?

[Aaron McIntyre]

Did Sam in India make that?

[Steve Dace]

You know who's really happy that Ellen Page is playing Achilles? Connor Stallions is ecstatic. He's like, Josh Pate could not. No, it's Josh Pate right now is wiping sweat off his brow. As soon as he saw the news that Ellen Page was playing. Was playing Achilles in the Odyssey, Josh Pate thought, I'm. At least I've got a few weeks where I can just quietly do my job again. Todd Erzin's got somebody. Another bee in the bonnet.

[Todd Erzin]

I can multitask. I'll be back.

[Steve Dace]

Gosh, the Ellen Page thing cannot be real. Is it real?

[Todd Erzin]

Multiple people are saying, this is what's happening.

[Steve Dace]

You know what? I don't want to know. I'm not even gonna look it up because I don't want to know. I don't. I can't have Animal Farm from Angel. That's why you can't be even more anti capitalistic than a socialist named George Orwell intended. And Ellen Page as Achilles from Christopher Nolan. I can't have that in the same week. I'm not there. I'm not in a place yet where I'm going to be able to absorb these two things at the same time. So I'm just going to. I'm going to. I'm going to. I'm going to let you all know. I'm going to do exactly what I always tell you, not the two. Okay? I'm not gonna. I don't want to know what's true. I'm not gonna try to find out if it's true. I'm gonna totally ignore it. And I'm just gonna go with my own personal narrative because that's where I'm at right now. And I prayed about it and I do feel good about where I'm at right now. That's what I'm gonna do. I can't. I can't. I cannot have angel making a capitalist who looks like Elon Musk's mom. The actual villain, not Napoleon of Animal Farm and the guy who was adamant that his film tenant had to reopen theaters because it was gay and retarded that we had him closed during the scamdemic. Turn right around and have Ellen Page play arguably the greatest warrior in the history of Western mythology. I cannot possibly. I can't. I can't. I can't handle it. I mean, I am. I just can't do it. I'm going to hop on Lindsey Graham's lap. If that's true, I just can't do it. So you guys just need to know that's a tap out for me. I don't want to know. Don't send me confirmations. I'll ignore them. I'm not going to search it out. I'm not going to seek it out. I just refuse to acknowledge that this information is possibly true. I can't handle it. It's Phil Vischer. Levels of I can't do it. We can't lose the veggietale guy. And I can't have Christopher Nolan of all people, putting a tranny as Achilles. I can't do it. I can't do it. I refuse. We all have our limits. We're all human. And I throw myself upon the mercy of the court. I can't do it.

[Todd Erzin]

I think once you get to the other side of this thing, we might have some real growth here.

[Aaron McIntyre]

How about this from Schultz who says buy seller hold. This is a sign of the end times. Called Spectrum Cable three times today to discontinue TV service navigated no byzantine menu systems, was not put on hold. All representatives spoke English and were located in America. And I ended up saving $70 a month. Do you hear trumpets yet? Sign of the end times. And I want to add this. I canceled Mediacom, which is our local cable provider. I canceled their Internet service. I texted them because we have fiber now and it's like $100 a month cheaper for commiseric service. I texted Mediacom. No, please. Hey, we'll take 20 bucks off a month. No, just sorry to see you go. You'll get a credit on your next billing cycle. Sign of the end times. I'm a buy.

[Steve Dace]

Could be.

[Aaron McIntyre]

Or cable is just dying.

[Todd Erzin]

The aliens are coming. So

[Steve Dace]

it could be. I mean, these are customer service miracles given the era in which we live. Maybe Todd has broken me in this show, but it's possible. It's a worst case scenario here. And that is every one of these people realizes they're all losing their jobs to AI so there's really no incentive to pressure you and stuff anymore. They all know they're on their way out. They know AI has taken every single one of these jobs. So they just feel like it's okay to be a human being and treat you as such again. Is that a possible explanation?

[Todd Erzin]

That's real growth I'm seeing right there. Baby steps.

[Steve Dace]

Not in our. It might be real growth. Personally, it is certainly not in terms of how to growth of an audience that it Is not. Anyway, baby steps to the apocalypse. I wear size 36 jeans. Think Lindsey Graham's lap can support that? What do you think? No. Yes.

[Todd Erzin]

Okay. Jill Savage, when she hears that clip, she's gonna have questions. Yes.

[Steve Dace]

Yes, she will.

[Todd Erzin]

Her whole world. You just shattered a whole worldview.

[Steve Dace]

There might be people that share my last name and DNA. They may have some questions after they hear that clip. Yes, indeed. Like, why would you say something like that ever while bearing our name? Why would you do this to us as a family?

[Todd Erzin]

We started talking about the Odyssey.

[Steve Dace]

Why is this added shame required with already the hefty baggage that carrying your last name brings each of us each day? Indeed,

[Aaron McIntyre]

we go to this. James Miller, the Democrat teacher that tried to kill President Trump, will be found not guilty by a D.C. jury or an activist judge will set him free, but either way, he'll not be held accountable.

[Steve Dace]

I can totally see it.

[Todd Erzin]

Bye.

[Steve Dace]

I'll buy. I think that's completely. I mean, I would not predict it, probably wouldn't even bet on it. But I also don't think it's. The odds are like 10%. Like, if I told you 25% odds, they're just gonna say, we're gonna let you got you missed, so we gotta let you go, and don't miss next time. I mean, if I told you it was 25% odds, would that be crazy?

[Todd Erzin]

No.

[Steve Dace]

No, I don't think so either. Again, I don't think it's likely, but I don't think it's an insignificant percentage possibility, too. I mean, what's more politicized, a D.C. grand jury against Trump or an LA county jury in favor of a black man accused of murdering a white woman, like O.J. simpson was. What do you think's more. It's at least a debatable point, probably, right? OJ's coming off of the Rodney King. I mean, just a couple years after the Rodney King riots, Right? Okay, so that's already on a knife's edge, Right? And so now we have one of the most famous black men at the, at the time in American history accused of murdering a white woman. Right. In a racially charged trial. And so, you know, that ecosystem similar to the. How Balkanized and everything we are right now, and everybody that disagrees with me is automatically, literally Hitler in a racist, misogynist homophobe. So if, if a jury can sit there and look at DNA evidence and everything else, and then even have members of that jury admit after the fact they knew he was guilty, they just wanted to get back at the lapd. Why would that. If that's. And that was the country we were 30 years ago.

[Todd Erzin]

Yeah.

[Steve Dace]

That comes out of the. The era that most of us thought that's kind of the last time we were somewhat united still as a people. Right. Okay. Right. That's before we politicized everything. And if we were still capable of doing something like that 30 years ago, you don't think a left wing DC jury could just look at someone that tried to kill the president and say not guilty by virtue of what we think of the target that he was aiming for? I think it's entirely possible, of course,

[Todd Erzin]

because shameless things to the left are value added. That's why Katie Porter, she did something there that should have ended a political career and now she's actually pointing to

[Aaron McIntyre]

it, leaning into it.

[Todd Erzin]

Yes. Because that level of shamelessness is a value added for the people she's trying to get.

[Steve Dace]

Yeah.

[Aaron McIntyre]

Next up, we go to this from Jeffrey, who says Trump overthrowing Venezuela, Iran, Cuba, killing high level cartel members in Mexico, Colombia, et cetera, and what looks like ultimately getting out of NATO sets him up for top five president of all time, maybe the greatest since Abraham Lincoln.

[Steve Dace]

Well, number. He was doing the assessment, number one. That's number one. Can you put that back up there really quick, Aaron? Can I see it real quick? Is that okay? So foreign country, foreign country, foreign country, foreign countries.

[Todd Erzin]

That's why I think you're about to.

[Steve Dace]

You see where I'm going with this?

[Todd Erzin]

Well, why I sold, like didn't. At the beginning of the show, weren't you talking about California and Washington?

[Steve Dace]

Yeah, I just. It's hard to make the case to the American people, man. I don't want to say this, but I'm going to. We need to understand why people are glomming onto some of the nihilistic voices. They are. And ignoring that will just push them further into those voices. Okay, but right now, grab the average American on the street and ask them, what benefit are you getting from all of these foreign adventures that we're supposedly winning?

[Todd Erzin]

That's the math.

[Steve Dace]

And what would they say? I promise you, if they're at the grocery store, they're at the gas pump. Okay. They're at the bank, they're at the credit bureau, they're at their mortgage lender

[Todd Erzin]

going to the movies and seeing Ellen Page playing Achilles in the Odyssey. You know, lives are hard.

[Steve Dace]

They're not going to give you. They're not going to be able to give you a real answer.

[Todd Erzin]

We agree entirely on this.

[Steve Dace]

Okay. It's what we did in response to the top five accomplishments need to be what we did in response to California, New York, the Obama years, Biden's Auto Pen, Anthony Fauci that's It's okay to prioritize where you live. It's okay. We we're we. And we are back with hour two live and on demand here on Blaze TV, radio and podcast with Todd Erzin and Aaron McIntyre. I'm Steve Dase and you can let us know what you think about what we think via the stevedace.com inbox by emailing us steve dace.com d e a c e like us on Facebook me we and Gab. You can follow me at Steve Day show on X Instagram and TikTok. Subscribe to our YouTube channel at Day show on YouTube. That's at Day show on YouTube. And then finally make sure to subscribe to the podcast version if you greatly enjoy that. That way you'll never have to miss a single episode. And you guys are the biggest part of our audience, so we appreciate that. You can also make sure to leave us a five star review. I know that tens of thousands of you have done that. We appreciate all of those as well. And we would appreciate it if you added yours to that today on whichever podcast platform you prefer. And a word about our friends over at Tacova's. You know they craft quality boots for everyone from generational ranchers to lifelong cowboys to first time boot buyers. This time of year I probably wear my Toccova's more than any other because it's what I wear to do all the lawn work and stuff that I still enjoy doing. Gives me a chance to get out in the heat, get out and sweat and get outdoors more and get some more of that vitamin D and more of that sun. So to Cova's boots are handcrafted with over 200 meticulous steps for broken in comfort right out of the box. So whether it's a long day or a big night, whether you're doing the cowboy boot thing for style or the work boot thing for me to get the yard work done, they're built to last and impress. And right now you can get 10% [e-mail] Steve when you sign up for emails and texts, that's 10% off at to covas t e c O V a s T E C O v a s to covis.com steve that's tooovas.com/steve for 10% off. All right, bottom of the hour. The prophet of woe and lamentation himself. Daniel Horowitz will return to the program. We're going to analyze some of the noteworthy primary results from last night and it's going to confirm probably the greatest frustration of the Trump era that I have. We'll get into that with Daniel, though, at the bottom of the hour. But first, let's continue on with more buy seller hold and we can pick it up where we left off.

[Aaron McIntyre]

Aaron, we'll go next to Liberty, who says Trump isn't firing people Bondi Noem in his administration and instead transferring them to other jobs so they don't publish a tell all book during a key time of his administration.

[Steve Dace]

I think that's likely true and savvy and smart. So I will buy. I think that's likely true. Yes.

[Todd Erzin]

Yeah, buy. But just don't hire these people in the first place.

[Steve Dace]

Well, there's that. There's that. I don't blame him for the Christine Ohm thing. I mean, she has been a successful politician. There were tons of rumors and stuff about her. But she's also had a lot of political success despite all the rumors about her and Lewandowski and everything else that went on. And she has been a very good communicator. And the minute that that thing went sideways and whatever's going on with them became a big issue that he did move on. The Pam Bondi thing just should have never happened from the beginning. It just, that was just a terrible hire from the absolute beginning, especially to a post as important as AG should have never happened from the beginning.

[Aaron McIntyre]

Next we go to Nate, who says the Hoosier people came through last night in the primaries.

[Steve Dace]

Yeah, agreed. I'm gonna have much more to say about this with Daniel at the bottom of the hour when we get into it. But for now, I'll just say Indiana is a preview of what we could have been doing all along in a lot of these primaries and during the Trump era. And we didn't. And that's why we're sitting here now without the votes to pass the SAVE act because we didn't take out enough of these bad Republicans and in too many cases actually endorsed them so they could keep coming back and screwing us.

[Todd Erzin]

Right.

[Steve Dace]

But Indiana shows you that, you know, there is a, there's a, there is a movement out there. There's a movement out there that is willing to take on the system. And here's what Indiana also shows. If you're on X, you're being led to believe by Tucker Fuentes and Candace et al that MAGA is over. I guess I'd throw Megyn Kelly into that group now, too. You're being led to think that MAGA is over has no power. And a lot of the people that follow those accounts, the people that we just downstream from them, the, the Ian Carroll type of figures are adamant that TPUSA is over and everything else. Well, last night, Trump and TP USA just went in there and absolutely routed the Indiana Republican Party. Absolutely routed them. I mean, just whatever was left of Mike Pence's political machine in the state of Indiana just got absolutely slobber knocked last night in the state of Indiana. So reports of the demise of both MAGA and TPUSA are greatly exaggerated based on what we saw in the Indiana primary last night.

[Todd Erzin]

I'll buy.

[Aaron McIntyre]

All right, next up, we'll go to this one. This is Marshawn Lynch. Bertarian Todd is sabotaging all the electronics because Aaron and Steve are too comfortable.

[Steve Dace]

Oh, gosh, I wish that was the case. I wish that was the case. All right. But no, it's not. So sell. I think you are capable of such a thing.

[Todd Erzin]

I don't sabotage the coattails.

[Steve Dace]

No, that's a good point, too. Todd understands you don't crap where you live. So that is true, too.

[Aaron McIntyre]

Also, Mike Drogo has this. Marco Rubio and J.D. vance are an unstoppable force of reason and clarity. Marco specifically has just been killing it.

[Steve Dace]

I mean, I don't disagree. And what you saw. That's why I pointed out on Monday's show with our latest edition of Deconstructing Tucker. Deconstructing. In two clips that went viral over the weekend, he attacked the foundational basis of our coalition, pro Israel Christian white evangelicals. I mean, they are literally the cornerstone of the Republican Party as a base. They're the largest base we have and we haven't had a presidential election since 1980 that white evangelicals were not at least one out of every five voters, almost, I think 22% of the overall electorate is the lowest turnout we've had. And then he turned right around and endorsed is the future hope of our coalition that we could have a Vance Rubio ticket, the best of both worlds and, and advance to the next generation. So then he immediately, you know, acts as if that there's dissension with these folks and Rubio's people have been openly trying to sabotage Vance in the beginning, but then can't tell us who any of these people actually are. Again, if, if you were the devil and purposefully attempting to destroy our coalition, what would you be doing differently than what Tucker's doing? Todd, go.

[Todd Erzin]

I got nothing.

[Steve Dace]

Yeah, because you wouldn't, you'd want to be subtle about it, right? You wouldn't just be outright. If you, if you came out and said, hey guys, I'm the devil and I'm here to dissolve your coalition. We're like, well, don't listen to that guy. Right. Okay. So he would be, it'd be a lot of camel's nose under the tent.

[Todd Erzin]

Tucker's literally doing a lot of. Did God really say a lot of it?

[Steve Dace]

Yeah, a lot. Agreed.

[Todd Erzin]

I will say on the specific question, I will sell only because they are fantastic at messaging. They are incredibly bright spots to be able to count on for the next cycle of presidential electioneering. But ultimately this thing is all about results, not just messaging. And we talk on a regular basis whether the strongest, at least within the last couple months, whether the strongest Republican politician is John Thune. So it's not. The message has got to constantly be taking scalps. And I'm not even blaming them that it isn't. I'm just talking about the reality that we live in. It's. The message has got to take ground.

[Steve Dace]

What's, what is, What's more likely five and a half months from now because the election is about five and a half months from now. What's more likely five and a half months from now that we're going to say, remember when the Iran war was a thing and we were all obsessed with it? Or we're going to say, well, you never, you couldn't even pass a bill that normies widely supported that would make it easy for us to win elections. There's pena on your base and then there's defecating on them. So of course this happened. What's more likely, do you think?

[Todd Erzin]

The latter.

[Steve Dace]

Then don't you think the guy, our leader ought to be spending way more capital in negotiating to make sure that doesn't happen than on the first front, don't you think?

[Todd Erzin]

Of course I do.

[Steve Dace]

Yeah. And so does like everybody else that like tried to get a gas, tried to fill up with gas in the last three, six weeks. And so, yeah, again, I, I understand Iran cannot have a nuclear weapon. I'm fine with killing every member of the Iranian high command. But, but, but, you know, we have to, we have to show the American people we will fight as hard on our, for the stuff on our own homeland as we will in. You know, I don't think that's an unreasonable ask, particularly because that's the brand of your own coalition, and that's what people voted for in the last election. No one ran on war with Iran. No one ran on that. No one was asked about that. You know what people thought they were going to get is we were going to spend this capital on other things. Would you have preferred. I was talking with a reporter from a national publication yesterday, and they brought up to me, well, you know, the reason they had to back out on Minneapolis because the deportation numbers got messy. I said, our numbers right now are great. Our numbers right now are great. I mean, you guys, would. You'd rather. If we were going to be. If our guy was going to be at minus 16 a favorable. Would you rather be at minus 16 favorable because we created a freaking trail of tears of illegal aliens were thrown out of the country, or because we're blockading the Strait of Hormuz half a planet away? What would you rather be -16 over, do you think?

[Todd Erzin]

The farmer.

[Steve Dace]

The farmer. How about everybody? Everybody that can hear me except those on I Heart, which you should just give up on because you can't ever hear me, like, every day. All right, so every. Except on I. If you're listening on I Heart, because you can't ever hear me every day, apparently. All right, so for everybody else within the sound of my voice, where would you rather. If you're. If we were going to suffer for taking a strong stance on something that our guy was going to be minus 16 heading in an unfavorable. Would you rather have it because we deported 20 million people that don't belong here and took our country back, or we took the Strait of Hormuz back, what would you rather have it be?

[Todd Erzin]

When the Minneapolis stuff was going on, Steve, I literally asked you, if this was going on for another week, if I could go up to Minneapolis on behalf of.

[Steve Dace]

This is true that we did have those conversations.

[Todd Erzin]

So. Yeah.

[Steve Dace]

And so would everybody else. Now, again, I understand what we're doing here. I want us to win. But the minute, the minute, the minute. And I mean, like, maybe the nanosecond that this thing ends, people need to see us. I. I understand we're not going to deploy the military to Washington, D.C. although Todd's looking at me like I'm listening. Okay, I understand that. Okay. But in terms of spirit. Okay, in terms of spirit, maybe. I'm not saying in terms of method. Right. But in terms of spirit, we have to be seen as fighting as hard for what's happening on our own homeland as we are in the other Lands. That's all I'm asking. And that's all according to all the numbers of what's happened, every time we ask people to respond to even our own polling and vote in a special election, that's what they're asking of us, too. They would. That's what we thought you all were going to do. That's. And we're. That's what we want to see. That's it.

[Todd Erzin]

If our enemy is going to cast Ellen Page as Achilles, we need to bring our fastball in return.

[Steve Dace]

Yes. I can neither confirm nor deny that that is occurring, nor will I attempt to. Yes. You know what? Todd said that on Iheart, so I didn't hear it. I didn't hear it either. Todd said that on Iheart, so I couldn't hear it either.

[Aaron McIntyre]

Dalton has this. There is no downside to making territories out of Iran and Venezuela a 10,000% agree.

[Steve Dace]

So let's roll. Agreed. And this is what you do. You put American refineries there. You take the oil out of the ground, you sell it to our allies. A fixed rate, $75 a barrel. That's what it'll be for the next 50 years if you give all the money back to the people of Iran. You prop up your own puppet governments. You put your people in charge in Iran. You want to know? You want to know? Listen. You want to know how you get a government that can subdue 90 million people in Iran? I'll tell you right now. Okay. You give them the proceeds of selling all of their oil to them. And now all of a sudden, they've got the ability to purchase the kind of weaponry that would eliminate the revolutionary. You see what I'm trying. Now they've got the wherewithal to police a nation, to have housing and urban development, middle class jobs. Because we need people to work these refineries there on the ground there in Caracas and Tehran. Correct. Right. So guess who we're going to hire? No, we're not sending the illegal aliens there to earn their citizenship. No. We're just sending them back to where they belong. No, they get to make Venezuela and Iran great again, too. So we're gonna. They're gonna hire their own people. Jobs, homes, chicks, kids, families. We just want a fixed rate. We know every year the oil is $75 a barrel. That's all we need to know. We can think of all the planning we could do in terms of the rest of our economy for the foreseeable future. And we literally just bribe them and they keep all the money. I'm 100% in.

[Todd Erzin]

You should have chosen to sit on Lindsey Graham's lap. That's if these are territories. The odds of us having to put boots on the ground to protect that much economic coming and going that we are now on a hook for in

[Steve Dace]

a new way, I realize.

[Todd Erzin]

Go up.

[Steve Dace]

I realize this has just fallen as if I just said this on iheart so no one ever heard it. I understand that. Okay. But I feel like I have to at least propose it. Yes.

[Todd Erzin]

I'm just saying Lindsey Grimes lap is always an option,

[Steve Dace]

Even if you're listening on iHeart. So you didn't hear this. It's still an option for you too. Yes.

[Aaron McIntyre]

Next we go to typist M Trams who has a series of buy seller holds. Iran does not equal an irrational actor because it needs nukes to bring about the 12th Imam. Boomer neocons do not equal irrational actors. Must protect prophetic Israel to bring about Messiah. And this Trump does equal a rational actor Boomer realist who sees Iran for what it is and Israel for what it might not be.

[Steve Dace]

The only one of those I agree is maybe the last one. I don't agree with the other two at all. And I think that if Iran really, I mean, it could push buttons right now to bring about a doomsday scenario. And the 12th Imam doesn't even need a nuclear weapon to do that. Could activate sleeper cells all over the world. Iran is also very interested in its own hegemony, which is why the Arab world can't stand it, because they see that as well. So there are all kinds of things. If they were really just trying to bring about the 12th Imam, there are other buttons that they could push that not require nuclear capability to create carnage and devastation all over the world. The Messiah has already come and no one knows the day and the hour of when he comes again. We cannot provoke his coming again. So I don't think the second one applies. The third one I think is fairly accurate. Don't disagree with that.

[Todd Erzin]

I didn't even need to read after the first one. Listen, it's a separate argument about whether we should have gone into. I ran the way we did. If we are going to win it, what winning is fine. Just in terms of what benefit of the doubt does Iran get on any level for being a rational actor? I concede nothing to you on that.

[Steve Dace]

No. They got pallets of cash from. From Obama. Exactly.

[Todd Erzin]

Nothing.

[Steve Dace]

So that's one of the problems we have is we don't know how much of this is an act and how much of it is real? Because it was, it was worked out, it was used to shake down all kinds of other, you know, governments all over the world, including our own, for about a decade. Right. They were given pallets of cash for pretending to be nuts on the. And unfortunately, there's just enough evidence that they are some form of nuts by some of their own actions. Right, but could some of it be posturing? Like, you know, Trump is threatening every other day. We're gonna. It's the worst bombing we've ever done. Okay. I mean, of course most of that's been posturing, but as Trump also severely bombed them at the same time. So there's enough credibility to it that you might believe it to some extent that today this might be the day. Right. So all of this is a gamble. And these are, we're all dealing with uncertainties here, except for one. This is the one certainty that we are dealing with. We have to show the American people we've got something other than six months of executive orders and one big beautiful bill for two years. We have to show them. We did. We fought as much for our interest here at home as we did our interest abroad. We have to show that. And that's more than a six month as glorious as it was. And we all applauded at the time. But, but you know, D Day. Did, did World War II end on June 7, 1944? Did it end the next day?

[Todd Erzin]

No.

[Steve Dace]

That was a wondrous offensive, was it not? Was it not the most wondrous, marvelous amphibious assault in the history of human warfare? Probably. Right. Okay. But did the war end the next day? No, because the interests we were up against were entrenched. So it took a little while longer, did it not? Nearly a full year. All right, the war ended in Europe in April. It didn't end, I think, until August in Japan. Right. All right, so no, we were up the, the, the, it did not end the next day. So was the six month executive order thing. We did the, the full frontal assault on, on multiple platforms and issues against the left that we rolled out with the Trump administration last year for the first six months with that marvelous and glorious. One of the greatest single political offenses I've ever witnessed in my life. Offensives, I should say I've witnessed in my life. Is that all true? Yeah, but, but was, is his term six months? No, it's four years. Right?

[Todd Erzin]

It is.

[Steve Dace]

Okay, so did the war end the next day? No, we did one big beautiful bill. When did that pass? Was that July 4th of last year? I think it was July 4th weekend last year. Were there months after July?

[Todd Erzin]

Yes.

[Steve Dace]

Okay. And I know Congress sucks. Well, let's, let's try to bully them a little bit like we're trying to bully Iran. I understand the methods are different. We're not going to threaten them with bombs, but we must have something we can threaten them with. Let's do something. We have to do something. We have to be seen fighting as hard for our interest at home as we are abroad. And we're not. And that's the reality and the perception and that's why our numbers suck. And I want to win.

[Aaron McIntyre]

I read this submission and that's the beauty of buy, sell, hold, because you can read into whatever you want, but particularly on the first one. In terms of Iran not being an irrational actor. If I truly believe deep down that I can fly and I go to jump off a building, from my, from my standpoint, is that a rational move? From reality, is that a rational move? No, but from a certain point of view, from a certain worldview, that is rational, even if it's crazy. So I think his, the way that I read this is that regardless of what you think about one or two Trump, somebody's rationale is going to win here and it's likely going to be Trump's cuz he just sees Iran for what it is, which is a major threat on the global scale. Nevertheless, whatever you, what you led or trailed off with, there is nevertheless the truth and urgent in the political realm here in the United States. Benjamin has this. Electing the president on the popular vote would be fine if voter eligibility regressed to that which was originally set forth by the founders.

[Steve Dace]

I disagree. And that's why when we did have that voter electorate, they didn't give us a popular vote to elect a president. So I just totally disagree. I don't agree at all. That's why they didn't give us that system.

[Todd Erzin]

Agreed.

[Steve Dace]

So sell.

[Aaron McIntyre]

Next. Mark says if Pope Leo wasn't a lefty, there'd be absolutely no way he'd be Pope right now, as it was a poorly kept secret that, quote, the Church isn't ready yet for an American Pope. But then Donald Trump got reelected.

[Steve Dace]

I absolutely believe that this Pope was specifically chosen to check the American president 100%. I believe that. Now, what I don't quite understand is whether that means I buy your proposition or sell it. I'm having, given the way you're wording it.

[Todd Erzin]

Yeah, I agree.

[Steve Dace]

Are you taking my assertion further than I'm willing to take it, because I'm not. I mean that's pretty far. I don't know that I'm going to go any further than that. So I can't figure out if your assertion means that I, that I'm buying or selling. What you're saying is any.

[Todd Erzin]

Can I get a. I'm just going to buy what you said.

[Steve Dace]

Okay. All right. Let's put it. If what you're trying to say is what I just said, then we buy.

[Todd Erzin]

Yes.

[Steve Dace]

Ok.

[Aaron McIntyre]

Hammer ojustice has this. With the GOP nomination at hand, Vivek will lose Ohio to the Democrats.

[Steve Dace]

I'm gonna sell. I think the environment has to be like even worse than we think it is for Vivek to lose the amount of resources that will be invested there. Certainly doesn't help a vice president who wants to be the next president United States to see his own home state go from reliably Trump to electing a Democrat governor. Right. Okay. Trump has invested heavily in the state of Ohio. Ohio is to us what Virginia is to the Democrats. A former swing state. Now that is solidly in one color, not impossibly for one side to win. Which is why Democrats attempted to do to the electorate there that what they're trying to do. All right. So that there can't be any more Glenn Youngkins in the future. Okay. So a really good candidate like a Sherrod Brown can still get elected in Ohio, but he's got to be like a, a very high end Democrat candidate. Okay. Just like you'd need a very high end Republican candidate to win statewide in Virginia. Unless this redistricting thing stands, then you'll never probably see a Republican governor in Virginia the rest of your lifetime. But I think the environment would have to get really bad for Vivek to lose. Really bad. He's not nearly as bad of a candidate as say Randy Feenstra is. I think it would have to be very, I think it, I don't think Vivek will lose. I don't, at least not right now. Might change. Listen, if we're still sitting here negotiating the straights are for moves in August, Okay. And things have not. I mean, I'm giving you this analysis on May 6th. Okay. It's, it's, this is not a, this is not a static process. I might have a different analysis on June 6th or July 6th, but right now, on May 6th, as bad as the environment is, I don't think it's that bad yet.

[Todd Erzin]

I'll buy. I mean I would have been absolutely shocked not very long ago to be talking about Kim, a Republican, not wanting to replace Kim Reynolds. But we talk about that on the Daily. And Steve, you're absolutely right. There's no connection, there's no connective tissue between Randy Feenstra and Vivek, other than to say, I do believe both of them do have the potential ability for different reasons, to depress the base. So I think there's enough there, there.

[Steve Dace]

I think, I think what you're seeing is the X base that loved Vivek when he was doing standups outside of courthouses with Laura Loomer is now finding out that he was not that guy. And he's more of the other kind of conservative that he was writing his books about before he tried to run for president. All right, if he, but the problem is this is the state that elected Mike DeWine. So I, I'm, I, I, that base of Republican doesn't dominate while it dominates on X. The people that Vivek's pissing off with his comments on immigration, it doesn't piss off the kinds of Republican voters that exist in Ohio. You see what I'm trying to say?

[Todd Erzin]

Absolutely.

[Steve Dace]

Yeah. Like, if we were in another place, maybe that might be more damaging to his coalition. Well, like our state, for example, all right, which is way more rural. But we're dealing with Ohio. That's not. And so, you know, the Mike, the people that elected Mike DeWine are not going to be upset by the idea that America is an idea and even Indians can, you know, you know, do it. They're not going to be upset by that. Otherwise they wouldn't have voted for Mike DeWine over and over again.

[Aaron McIntyre]

Next trolling here has this. Trump's second term is mirroring Bush's second term.

[Steve Dace]

No. Even if all we got out of Trump with the first six months, that's way better than anything we got out of the entirety of Bush's second term. The best thing we got out of Bush's second term was Samuel Alito. And he was forced to give you that because we said no to Harriet Myers. That was done against his own will. That was the only good thing that happened in Bush's entire second term was, was Alito, and it happened against his will. If, even if, even if all we got out of Trump for the, for the entire four years was those six months of executive orders in the big beautiful bill, it'd still be better than Bush's second term, I can promise you that. Gotta remember, I came of age, I broke into this movement in industry during this period of Time. I remember it very, very well. Not even close. Trump's already way ahead of that.

[Todd Erzin]

I tend to agree with Steve. I mean, that thing starting with Social Security reform.

[Steve Dace]

Yeah, he came out. He came out. That's right. He was originally going to do Social Security reform. Even ran on it, got reelected, backed down months in. Then he came back with amnesty. That whole thing was a disaster. It was an absolute disaster.

[Aaron McIntyre]

Am I oversimplifying? Do I remember that correctly? He wanted to track Social Security to the stock market?

[Steve Dace]

Yes.

[Todd Erzin]

Yeah.

[Steve Dace]

And we let people privatize it. If you were of means, you could opt out if you wanted to.

[Aaron McIntyre]

Sounds like we maybe should have done that.

[Steve Dace]

Of course we should have done it. Now it's almost like so late now. We can't because so many people are invested. You. You'd kind of be unfair to get rid of it now because people are owed their benefits. The time to do it was before the largest retirement generation in American history. The boomers were of retirement age. So 20 years ago, we're on the tail end of the greatest generation. That or the forgotten generation. And the greatest generation of the silent generation. I mean, that was the time to do it. But now we've got the largest retirement generation. Forever has paid into this thing for 50 years. To then turn around and tell him, hey, guys, we're gonna go ahead and get rid of it is immoral. On the other end, I would argue, because they made a commit. You made a commitment to them. Okay, so. Yes. That. What? He even ran on it. We were gonna do it. That lasted literally 10 minutes. So we pivoted to every left wing issue you could imagine. From there, bailouts, amnesty. He was at constant war with his base. The entire four years. The entire four years. All right. Called us all xenophobes because we didn't want to do a permanent Democrat, you know, voter registration. We didn't want to turn America into California with the McCain, Kennedy, you know, immigration amnesty plan. Over and on and on and on it went. Yeah, that second term was a disaster. It was one of the worst terms any president's had in American history.

[Todd Erzin]

I would argue enter Obama and then enter Donald Trump.

[Steve Dace]

Correct.

[Todd Erzin]

Because.

[Steve Dace]

Correct.

[Todd Erzin]

You guys had your shot and you're not. Yeah.

[Steve Dace]

Correct. Yep.

[Aaron McIntyre]

One more before we get out of here for this version of Buy, sell, or hold. Franco Soze says the AI took your jobs narrative as a deflection to shield those who are actually to blame for the bad economy, job losses, food and energy prices, et cetera. Also provides the needed excuse to try for a universal basic income.

[Steve Dace]

There's some truth to this. Sure, I'll buy. Because there is some truth to this. I mean, two things can be true at the exact same time. All right, so there's some truth to this. Sure. So I'll buy for sure.

[Todd Erzin]

I'm fine with that.

[Steve Dace]

But I think it's all. The truth is more broader is broader than that, though, at the same time.

[Todd Erzin]

Yeah.

[Steve Dace]

All right, let's check in on some of these primary results and relive. Maybe what we'll go down is when the Trump era does end, my greatest frustration of it, because you did get a hint last night of what it could have been doing the entire time and for whatever reason hasn't. We're going to into that and more with Daniel Horowitz next, The steve day show. Hey, if you're looking for a healthy snack, our friends at Masa, they've got the chips that you're gonna wish that you found even sooner. You know, you can find chips on the shelf, it looks like they. And you turn the package around and look at the ingredients. Sometimes there's like 40 ingredients. 40. And stuff you can't pronounce. Man seed oils, artificial flavors, mystery chemicals. Well, Masa's chips are really just three organic corn, sea salt, and 100% grass feed. Grass fed beef, tallow. That's it. None of the other stuff you can't pronounce, just three ingredients. They taste great. You might think, well, it's a really small bag because you won't be eating as many because you're gonna get fuller faster because it's a real food. All right? And then their, their, their twin brother, the Vandy Crisps. Those, I would argue, guys, those are even better. All right, I like those even more. So do not sleep on either one of these right now. Use the code Dace to get 25 off your first [e-mail]. the Vandy crisps are there as [e-mail] Code Dace works there too. All right, 25 off. Code Dace.

[Daniel Horowitz]

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Make sure you don't miss it. Code DACE for 25 off your first order at Masa Chips. M A S A masachips.com or vandycrisps.com Code DACE gets you 25% off your first order. All right, we go now to the prophet of woe and lamentation himself. It's our good friend Daniel Horowitz. And Daniel, we got some data last night in primaries across the country. So I, I want to begin by the event that was, I thought, the most promising last night, and therefore also the one I'm the most frustrated by. Okay. And essentially, MAGA eviscerated what was left of Mike Pence's political machine in the state of Indiana last night. Just absolutely mollywopped it in those primaries. And I'm ecstatic to see that. But it also brings forth, you know, I've got a handful of questions I'm gonna have to ask Jesus when I get to heaven. Okay. And this is on the list. It's. Seriously, it is absolutely on the list. It's kept me up at night. There have been nights that I kept the mlb, the show, or the PGA Tour Golf going another half hour, 45 minutes down in the man cave when I should have gone to bed. Cause I just couldn't get to sleep pontificating over this. I mean, I've racked my brain about this for nearly. For the entirety of the. Of the kingship of Donald Trump. Okay. Why have we not just done this to these rhinos everywhere? And the fact that we haven't is one of the reasons why John Thune's not lying when he says he doesn't have the votes for the SAVE Act. He's not lying now. His job, though, is to get the votes. That's his job. That's his job to get the votes. Right. We have the power. We have the control. This is our agenda. Your job's to get that agenda passed. So he's not lying. We don't have the votes, but he's not doing his job by getting us the votes we need. And several of those people are folks that either our guy endorsed or didn't endorse again, so they survived. And I'm just gonna need to know the answer to this. I'm gonna need to know why we didn't just go in when we had, you know, unlimited power from a primary perspective and just do an Indiana primary night every Tuesday, every first Tuesday, every primary month of the last eight years. I'm gonna. I. I don't know the answer. I have theories. I'm not sure how accurate they are, but I'm. I'm gonna need the Lord to answer this question for me. Daniel.

[Daniel Horowitz]

Steve. I mean, this is my national anthem. I mean, last night was a glimpse into what could have been, what could still be. Every Tuesday, there's primaries now. I was previewing Nebraska and West Virginia for next week. Indiana and Kentucky or Idaho and Kentucky, Alabama or the following week. I've been doing this. I don't know since you met me, pretty much. And certainly since Trump came on the scene, we were making progress in open seats, we were making progress even against incumbents. Trump came in, he promised to drain the swamp. There's three levels. There's Trump making the right endorsement, there's Trump staying out, and there's Trump making the bad endorsement to put his stamp of approval to reaffirm the swamp. What you saw last night was, you know, maybe you'd think, I don't know, these guys have too much money from the industries. You can't beat them. They're incumbents. No, I mean that's what a movement looks like. You have the president, you have the prominent senator of the state, Jim Banks, you have the Club for Growth, you have TP usa and they all come in and all but one that they targeted lost. And these were longtime incumbents who had a lot of money. I would say it's even more than that, that anti incumbent fervor gave the people a focus because I know you and I have debated this in the past, but you know, people go to their little league game, they go to, they do different things. They don't know the nuances of everything someone does in the committee, in the legislature to subvert us, but campaign on our, on our stuff. This is for leaders. If you're tpusa, if you're Club for Growth, if you're podcast bros that claim I want medical freedom and I hate big tech and I want to throw the illegals outta here, well then. And I'm sick of the green grift. Well, there's a lot of that in Indiana in particular, all of those things, by the way. And that, that place sucks. I mean 4 to 1 majority is in both houses and men are those Republicans liberal. So you get what you fight for. We picked one thing and I don't oppose it, Steve, I support it. But it's an, it's an irony how it goes around in a circle. So the one thing they care about is what? Getting more R versus D seats in Congress. Now there's two faulty premises with that. They're playing a game of inches when it's a game of miles. They would have you, Connie, can all of our mutual friends, basically they're very ecstatic and I'm happy about the result of the Indiana state Senate, not the Indiana House, not the Indiana governor, not anything in Ohio last night and likely not any other state. And that's informed by other things Trump did that played a role that night that weren't so good. And in the other states, you won't have the good part. But what they don't realize is both on the general election and primary side, they're missing the point. We're not one Indiana seat and one South Carolina seat away from the House. You know, winning the House R versus D. Democrats took an even seat last night in Michigan and won it by 20. That seat would have determined control of the Michigan Senate had Republicans flipped it. And this is, you know, Republicans have lost 30 legislative seats to Democrats since the November 2024 elections. They've never flipped a single. A single one yet. So this is a lot of data on that. So you can't redistrict your way out of lack of a vision and accomplishments. It's fine to do it, but then you have to have the meat. It's like, we will fight to the death. We have a movement, Steve, for Supreme Court justices. We have a movement for school choice, and we have a movement for getting up to the plate. We gotta get to the plate more and more Republicans, but then we don't want to hit the ball. We don't want to play the ball. We don't. We don't want to play the game. So, you know, you have all these Republicans. For example, Trump endorsed two that were good on redistricting, but most are, but they're like pro tranny. I mean, like, marching. One of them was marching in the tranny. One of these, like, you know, nude. Nude things or whatever, whatever they call those. Those parades. Horrible on every issue and just barely eked it out. There's another one that won by like 20 votes. It just came out. Trump won every, Every one. For better or for worse, had he just stayed out, we would have won those. There were two congressional races that this created a whole tumult that people turned out with the right mindset. And most of the Rhino congressmen in Indiana got challengers that got in the 30s and some in the 40s. One got 47%. Janice Brown. I was going to have her on my show a couple of days ago. Trump endorsed both of those Rhinos, Jim Baird and this Jefferson Shreve guy. Indiana, 4 and 6, respectively. I will tell you, had Trump stayed out of six, we would have flipped that. And had he at least, and had he affirmatively endorsed our person in four, we would have won that. So we have nine to 10 better people in the Indiana Senate. That's a lot. And it's good. The House still stinks. The governor stinks. We did not flip a single congressman or statewide office in Indiana or Ohio, and we did not knock off a single incumbent even in the Ohio legislature. In either body. Vivek got 85%, which again is a legacy of Trump. One more data point, I'll give you again back to the general election. Four years ago, Republicans got a million votes in the Ohio primary and Democrats got about 500,000 last night. There's still a couple more votes need to be counted, but Republicans got 819,000 Dems 7 97,000. So they went from 100% differential to 3% differential. Even if you go back to 2018, which was a bad year for Republicans and Ohio was less maturely realigned to the GOP, they won by or had a greater turnout by 20%. So I just laugh like yay, redistricting, yay, more our seats. But to what end? I mean, I don't want to poo poo it. This is great if this is the virgin that takes you to the ball, takes you to the dance and now, you know, you consummate the marriage. But if it's a one off, it's actually a subversion because headed forward, I could point to you in every case. West Virginia next week. Shelley Moore Capito is a social fiscal leftist. Open borders Senator of West Virginia. We have a state senator who's running against her, Tom Willis. He won't win because Trump endorsed. We have Adrian Smith's Nebraska district which is R plus 60. Trump won it by 60 point margin. It's the whole, you know, Western two thirds. We have a godly guy who's hardcore, but he's not a griper, but he's not an establishment guy. Hubert, I hate to say it, but I don't see him going anywhere. I'll probably have him on my show. Steve, do, do you get my frustration with some of our friends, like in or out, what's your game?

[Steve Dace]

How much of, how much of a responsibility do the candidates themselves have? How good a candidates are these individuals in many cases, Right? That's, that's how. Because you know, you're. Listen, you're the one that I hear in my ear all the time complaining about the reactionary. That's your description, right? Okay. How many of these are really are good people who understand they have basic responsibilities as a candidate to establish their own support mechanisms, their own donor systems. It's not just as simple. The process isn't. I have a great belief system now come indoor me that you have to work the process. You have to show you can win over supporters, you can fashion a message, right? That you can do the actual job, not just have the right beliefs. How many of those candidates are we legitimately producing that that could be among those that could be supported? What you think?

[Daniel Horowitz]

So I, I disagree with the premise of the question just because when you met me in the early part of last decade, we were actually building that we had a lot of not high quality, but we were getting higher and higher quality more and more. Once Trump came in, there is no agency outside of him and, but it's worse than that. If he would stay out, it would be tough, but it would be doable. The problem is he endorses reflexively. Let's talk about Congress, federal and statewide office. Like governor, he endorses every single incumbent and a lot of the open seat cases to the, the moneyed interest. You have no ability to, there's no amount you could, you're saying.

[Steve Dace]

So you're saying that he, he, they're cutting the process off before you could prove any of these things is what you're saying.

[Daniel Horowitz]

Yeah. So that's why we don't have quality. And you'll get like in Ohio last night, he endorses Vivek and you get this neo Nazi pro Gaza retard as the only opposition to him. And increasingly you're finding that. But, but let me just say on the positive side, I have on my show every week people like Jim Shaw in Oklahoma, Cindy Bird in Oklahoma, Glenida whatever her name is in Idaho. I just had on Andrew Ireland in, in Indiana we have Freedom Caucus type of guys that we're gradually building even now. They're articulate, they're smart, they're godly, they're aggressive, they're fighting the party. They're everything we want and we could have more of that. But the problem is until the leaders of TPUSA and what you would consider the J.D. vance crowd leadership of our movement get a hold of Trump and deal with this and lead him rather than following. So Trump says it's okay to go after the Indiana guys. We're in. Oh, but Trump says Nate Morris, you're out of the Kentucky race to fill McConnell seat and we're going to elevate Andy Bar from the House. Oh, okay, fine. You know, Charlie Kirk endorsed Nate Morris before he was killed. We're going to get more of the same. But last night proved it doesn't have to be this way. But if you, but if it's going to be this way, you can't get a quality recruit. So let's say you're a Chip Roy Level, let's say you're like a House Freedom Caucus guy and there's a bad governor or senator, you're not going to take that leap because you might get 10 points better than a no name guy, but you're still going to lose.

[Steve Dace]

Good stuff, my friend. Thank you.

[Daniel Horowitz]

Take care.

[Steve Dace]

You bet. Gentlemen, final thoughts on what you just heard from Daniel Horowitz. Two minute warning.

[Todd Erzin]

Well, that segment was definitely brought to you by Lindsey Graham's lap, but you teed it up for him and Daniel did not disappoint. Listen, as frustrating as for you, Steve, you from the very beginning, and you've never stepped back from that said, the cake is the same.

[Steve Dace]

Right?

[Todd Erzin]

The frosting's just zanier. Isn't that what we're hearing?

[Steve Dace]

The thing that frustrates me is there's not really a defined standard. Like if it was just simply about loyalty to Trump, then again, if it was consistently applied, then we would all know what the rules are, how to get his attention. But there's all kinds of people that he will just endorse in primaries who knife him out in public, show no loyalty whatsoever, and just cancel the primary. And so a lot of times in these, when we're working on these things around the country or, or covering them, we don't really know what the ground rules are to even have the kind of candidate we would want to emerge. It's all zany. We, we don't really. It's very random.

[Todd Erzin]

Yes.

[Aaron McIntyre]

Same as it ever was. You know, the 10 year anniversary of the Cinco de Mayo, I love Hispanics, post yesterday. And all that's happened since then, all that the left has shown themselves to be since then. The exposure of that, I think has been an education for certain segments of this country and a necessary education at that. And you also have things like what we did during the first six months or what he did during the first six months of his second term and some of the legal wranglings that are making their way out of that. He's winning legally on a lot of them. That's obviously a good thing. We got rid. We traded Mike pence in for J.D. vance.

[Steve Dace]

I would say that's an upgrade, that's an understated term.

[Aaron McIntyre]

Commenced to crush what's left of the Mike Pence machine in Indiana, if that's even a thing that exists. But it kind of did. I mean, you heard one of those ousted incumbents last night. Retribution is not a Christian value. As he wept into his coffee or Cheerios or cornflakes that he just got got his got, you know, his rear end spanked. All of these things are true. Why can't we do more of this challenging of incumbents unlike any other race? All of these things are true at the same time. And we're now 10, 11 years into the Trump era in national politics. And yes, it's okay to be frustrated, but if you're surprised or you're just pulling your hair out at this point instead of just maybe rolling your eyes and then moving on, well, I'm not sure what to tell you.

[Steve Dace]

We're gonna stick around and do overtime for [e-mail] DACE use the code DACE get a discounted subscription today so you don't miss it. For the rest of you. Will see you tomorrow noon to 2 Eastern, right after Glenn Beck, right here on Blaze TV. Until then, go hard. Romans 8, 28.