Host Erika Washington sits down with Leo Murrieta — former Executive Director of Make the Road Nevada and proud "recovering executive director" — to talk about what real organizing looks like, the price of citizenship, and why staying moderate is a losing game.

Leo shares his journey from arriving in the U.S. as a week-old baby to navigating notario fraud, discovering he'd been a citizen for a decade without knowing it, and leading one of Nevada's largest Latino power-building organizations for nearly nine years. He also opens up about the night of the Route 91 massacre — and what it taught him about who gets left behind.

From grassroots base-building to the 2028 presidential primary, Leo and Erika get into what's broken in progressive politics, who the real leaders are (hint: they're not in the title), and what the American dream means for a queer immigrant who's spent his career fighting for others.

(00:00) - SNC S3 Leo Murrieta - "Ordinary People"
(00:41) - Introduction
(02:39) - Who Is Leo Murrieta?
(03:59) - How Leo Got Into Politics
(07:27) - The Citizenship Journey & Notario Fraud
(16:30) - Route 91 & Make the Road Nevada
(25:55) - Lessons from Nine Years as Executive Director
(27:44) - Leadership, Power & the Political Landscape
(40:08) - Grassroots Organizing vs. Voter Mobilization
(51:22) - Nevada as Second in the Nation & 2028
(59:49) - Rejecting Moderate Politics
(01:08:16) - What Is Democracy?
(01:13:59) - The American Dream
(01:19:11) - Closing Reflections