"Fender Benders" w/ Amy Zimmer

Summary

StraightioLab: “Fender Benders” w/ Amy Zimmer

Podcast: StraightioLab (Big Money Players Network & iHeartPodcasts)
Date: April 14, 2026
Guests: Amy Zimmer
Hosts: George Civeris & Sam Taggart

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Episode Overview

This episode of StraightioLab explores "fender benders" as a distinctly straight cultural phenomenon, unraveling the mundane drama, etiquette, and legalistic dance around minor car accidents. Comedian and dramatic actress Amy Zimmer joins hosts George and Sam to dish on her recent dramatic turn in "Blue Heron," riff endlessly on acting failures, vertical video, and prank culture, and ultimately spiral into the comedic and sociological implications of car culture and its accidental blunders.

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Key Segments & Discussion Points

1. Chair Dynamics & On-Stage Habits

[03:36–07:05]

• The episode opens with Sam and George unsettled by sitting in each other's usual chairs, likening it to a couple “switching sides of the bed”.
  • “I'm not used to turning to my left to see you.” – George (03:42)
• Comedy show etiquette: they lament audiences talking through live shows and the distractions of stage lighting.
  • “People in comedy shows are having full conversations… I can hear you.” – Sam (06:32)

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2. Dinner Plan Drama & ‘Blue Heron’ Film Talk

[07:05–14:02]

• George and Amy rehash the previous night’s failed group dinner owing to overlapping commitments: George’s screening, Sam’s show, Amy’s role as both attendee and star of the film "Blue Heron".
• The etiquette of group dinners is dissected: late arrivals, splitting bills, and self-centered behavior.
  • “It's very like observational comedy—don't you hate when your friend does this…” – George (08:49)
  • “I was attending the screening of our dear friend’s film, which you couldn’t attend because you had your big show…” – George (06:07)
• Amy describes the uncertainty and chaos of post-screening Q&As and the emotional aftermath.
  • “There was immutability last night that was kind of electric… it was Schrodinger's Q&A.” – Amy (11:13)
• Promotion banter: Sam and George encourage Amy to vertically “share the whole film” and satirize "Janus Films" getting into influencer culture.

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3. Comedy vs. Drama: Amy's Serious Turn

[14:02–22:20]

• George grapples with how to interview Amy about her first dramatic film without undermining its gravitas.
  • “I'm struggling with finding a comedic entry point in talking about your work.” – George (18:02)
• Amy reflects on the difficulty of switching from comedic riffs to addressing earnest, emotional topics in front of audiences who expect comedy.
  • “It's just sort of like a deeply… felt drama… and people ask, ‘How did you come to it?’” – Amy (19:23)
• Details about Blue Heron unfold: A 1990s Vancouver family drama, Hungarian immigrants, sibling relationships, and “addicted to pranks.”
  • “He suffers some behavioral issues so the film… he's addicted to pranks. I'll let you infer what happens.” – Amy (20:56)

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4. Acting, Audition Fails & Industry Anecdotes

[29:05–45:00]

• Amy talks about crying on command for her role, the emotional support on set, and the similarities between performance anxiety on stage and on screen.
  • “It was hard… but the actors I performed with were so generous… it didn't feel so much like ‘is she gonna do it’…” – Amy (29:14)
  • “It's sort of like when someone is worried about getting hard and you're like, ‘don't even’…” – Sam (30:28)
• The trio swap stories of failed auditions and roles lost, including George’s scene with Jessica Biel being cut, Sam’s Orange is the New Black audition, and Amy’s Joan of Arc art project tale.
  • “I once had a scene with Jessica Biel that was cut from the project.” – George (35:14)
  • “I had to audition as somebody who had… been resurrected… and they gave me a tiny little Poland Spring and said… we want you to do this lying down.” – Amy (41:53)

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5. Straight Shooters: Lightning-Round Cultural Preferences

[47:42–53:14]

• Rapid-fire choices meant to highlight one’s complicity in straight culture.
  • Indie sleaze or windy breeze? “Windy breeze.” – Amy (48:02)
  • Carhartt, Walmart, or Cuisinart? “Cuisinart, Cuisinart, Cuisinart!” – Amy (48:58)
• Culinary tangent: Meat “brands,” industrialized vs. artisanal food, and how even mundane groceries are branded and corporatized.

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6. Main Topic Deep Dive: Fender Benders as Straight Culture

[53:26–67:04]

• Amy’s topic: the fender bender as a collision between individualist car culture and forced interpersonal interaction.
  • “I recently experienced one and found the exchange a litigation nightmare, which seems pretty on-brand.” – Amy (54:11)
  • “Having a cutesy name for something horrifying and traumatic… is funny—if it’s called a ‘fender bender,’ let’s actually have fun with it…” – Sam (55:08)
• The hosts and Amy unravel:
  • Performance & blame: Who is at fault, how blame is assigned, and the ritual of exchanging information.
  • Infantilization of language: The phrase “fender bender” as baby-talk disguising real stakes.
  • Societal lens: “Fender bender was the original cancel culture…we’re fender-benderizing the rest of society.” – Sam (57:40)
  • Emotional fallout: Getting out of the car yelling as ritual, and how cars are extensions of self, yet fender benders rupture that illusion of privacy.
  • Structural alternatives: Imagining a collectivist, “go-kart” society where cars aren't precious extensions of self, but simply tools for community movement.
  • George confesses that an early driving fender bender traumatized him out of car culture.
    • “Second time I drove, I got into a fender bender… I basically have not really engaged in driving since.” – George (62:27)

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7. Tangents: Gender Bending & Out-of-Context Quotes

[65:57–76:03]

• Puns on “fender bender” and “gender bender,” segue to discussions of fluidity, labeling, and the business of meat.
• Musing on well-behaved women rarely making history and the phrase “check please” as an easier-to-grasp mantra.

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8. Signature Segments: Shout-Outs

[76:11–79:34]

• Each host and Amy gives a playful “radio shout-out”:
  • George: Yebba’s album “Gene”—“Actually has something called integrity.”
  • Sam: The musical group FCUKERS—“Finally a group that makes fun dance music and seems to not give a fuck.”
  • Amy: “Weird reels of strawberries in domestic situations… some of these women [the fruit] need to be lifted up.”

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• “You have the look of someone who has just taken off her glasses.” – George to Amy (15:03)
• “Being able to perform—literally, that’s why it’s called performance anxiety.” – George (30:35)
• “Fender bender was the original cancel culture.” – Sam (57:40)
• “A fender bender is a violent assault on that individualistic lifestyle.” – George (57:52)
• “Check please”—Amy chooses as her favorite phrase over misunderstood feminist slogans (75:47)
• “Put the alt comedian in a drama film but you cannot take the alt comedian out of the alt comedian.” – Sam on Amy’s genre switch (67:34)

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Timestamps: Important Segments

• Chair switch as relationship role play: 03:36–04:42
• Failed group dinner recap: 05:39–08:08
• Amy’s promotion of “Blue Heron”: 07:05–14:02, 25:22, 79:34
• Vertical video & viral pranks riff: 12:08–13:37
• Defending dramatic work as a comedian: 14:02–19:23
• Emotional labor of crying on camera: 29:05–31:39
• Acting failures & cut roles: 34:24–45:00
• Fender bender etiquette & analysis: 53:26–67:04
• Lightning-round straightness quiz: 47:42–53:14
• Shout-outs: 76:11–79:34

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Tone & Style

The conversation is improvisational, self-referential, and persistently meta—classic for StraightioLab. Satire is the default, sincerity comes as comedic relief, and the banter oscillates between high-concept cultural theory and absurdist riffing. Amy’s presence helps bridge the gap between comic and dramatic performer, inviting both earnest discussion about the immigrant experience on film and irreverent send-ups of dinner planning, car culture, and the reality of adulthood.

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For Listeners Who Missed the Episode

Expect:

• A smart, meandering blend of cultural anthropology and high-concept comedy.
• Earnest promotion of Amy Zimmer’s dramatic debut and simultaneously relentless mockery of the art-film-industrial complex.
• A maximalist riff on how mundane adult rituals—dinner parties, car accidents—expose straight culture’s quirks.
• Enough tangents on “meat brands,” gender, and meme history to make it both rich and playfully scattered.
• Memorable, quotable moments about performance insecurity, social awkwardness, and the strange infantilization of real-life danger.

You will laugh, you may learn, and you might never view a fender bender—or a group dinner—the same way again.

Transcript

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hey it's sam with a quick little show announcement as you may know i've been running my hour trying to you know really figure it out and so i've been doing it in new york and la and all those dates have sold out so i've decided to add one more new york date and one more la date so in new york i'll be at union hall on may third that's a sunday and then in la i will be at lyric hyperion on may fourteenth that's a thursday so i would simply love to see you there i've been really having a good time doing this and i i appreciate you guys coming out and making me not look like a fucking idiot okay enjoy the episode bye

[Sam Taggart]

podcast starts now wow wow wow we are coming at you from new york city once again i feel absolutely amazing

[George Severis]

george how are you i'm realizing i'm sitting in a different chair than i usually like i'm sitting on the right and you're sitting on the left and it's sort of like when a couple decides to mix things up by switching places on the bed wow we're role playing i'm not used to turning to my left to see you really yeah

[Sam Taggart]

yeah i don't like it that's interesting

[George Severis]

are you feeling more powerful i'm feeling

[Sam Taggart]

like i don't believe you really yeah there's a part of me that's like do i not sit here always and

[George Severis]

you're right of course thank you but

[Sam Taggart]

i personally internally don't believe you i

[George Severis]

think so there's one chair where you're sitting that has table space for your drinks and my chair doesn't and i'm actually i don't know if you can tell my drinks are in my kind of nestled in my crotch because i have nowhere to put them and i think that is already putting me in kind of the inferior position and you're right and i'm already making myself smaller and kind of you know i'm kind of like okay like you can take charge today oh wow daddy well you

[Sam Taggart]

know when i sit in that seat i do put the drinks on the floor and i do reach for them and it does work it's not as

[George Severis]

easy but okay cool thanks for the

[Sam Taggart]

hot tip you know you've had a blessed life so far so how was your show last night absolutely to die for i was getting distracted by the lights yeah and there were points when i was like wait what am i doing but other than that i had

[George Severis]

a great time so you're on stage you're in the middle of your hour everyone's loving it and you have the realization do i really want to be

[Sam Taggart]

here i have the realization that light's too bright yeah and i'm like wait that light's too bright i'm like can we pause and it's like wait no

[George Severis]

stop it stop it well you actually can what is your relationship to like breaking the fourth wall vis a vis talking to the venue i think it's

[Sam Taggart]

okay in the first ten minutes really

[George Severis]

yeah oh see i think like in the middle of the show to be like to be doing crowd work maybe it's not going well and to be like turn up the turn on the house lights i think that's fun no

[Sam Taggart]

i think turn on the house lights it's fun but if you're like if it's too like nuanced it loses something i see yeah yeah but i want to discuss a little bit more about your flawed dinner plans last night okay well i feel like it's a rich

[George Severis]

topic interesting you bring that up because our guest is complicit in the dinner plans being flawed so i'm not i don't i don't i don't want to call her out like as she's sitting

[Sam Taggart]

there silently oh i didn't realize that when you were telling me about the flawed dinner plans you waited until she went to the bathroom so it could

[George Severis]

be a secret so pretty much i would say what happened last night is i was attending the screening of our dear friends film which you couldn't attend because of course you had your big

[Sam Taggart]

show yeah some of us have to

[George Severis]

work on ourselves the show that you had to stop multiple times to change lighting and the audience selection you had to say i don't like how this front row is looking can be switched to the third row to be fair that's true you didn't like the front

[Sam Taggart]

row oh my god it was not

[George Severis]

a good front row chatty oh my god people are chatting more and more you know it's like you hear people taking out their phones in movies people in comedy shows are having full conversations they're like so wait who did you vote for i can hear you i

[Sam Taggart]

was like this is the part where you listen right it made i was really blown away i love when you

[George Severis]

say something someone maybe doesn't recognize you know a reference and they turn to their partner like what was that movie the person like devil wears prada oh with meryl streep yeah oh she was so good in that yeah she deserved the oscar you're like excuse me i've moved on to the next topic and it's how to save our democracy yeah

[Sam Taggart]

listen up because this can make changes

[George Severis]

should we bring in our guest yes well pretty much our guest it's interesting she reinvents herself every time she comes on the podcast and this time she is coming on as a serious traumatic actress and promoting a film that is quite literally produced by janice or distributed by janice films and criterion and it seems like i'm making that up and that she's going to play a character but that's actually true it's actually not a character film is called blue heron and i saw it last night and was in fact blown away and i was in a state where i needed to be blown away because the last few films i'd seen were the last of the academy award best picture nominees that i had been putting off we're talking f one we're talking hamnet i needed to be inspired i was starving

[Sam Taggart]

for beauty and you were fed and

[George Severis]

i was fed and i said yum yum yum unfortunately i was fed so much that then dinner had to be pushed back two hours because i guess all of us were full from the artistic output we had witnessed well i

[Sam Taggart]

can't wait to hear both sides of this story of the failed dinner plans please welcome to the podcast amy zimmer

[Amy Zimmer]

zimmer hello it's not a studio lab ep without some sort of wrench in our rapport and george came in swinging with some allegations that i have no

[George Severis]

idea about quite frankly the allegations were said secret was saying you know there are all these i think you are actually well behaved just to be to be clear you're not the person i'm upset at there's all these kind of

[Sam Taggart]

convenient cause she's the one in the room there's

[George Severis]

there's always these stereotypical faux pas people can make in a group dinner settings setting right so not to

[Sam Taggart]

go seinfeld mode but it's it's very

[George Severis]

it is very like observational comedy like don't you hate when your friend does this and then blah blah blah and then you're splitting the bill and someone says i didn't have the appetizer there's all these stereotypical luckily there was no drama with bill splitting this time but it's like everyone's got that everyone's got that cheddar oh don't worry i put my card down i said i'll tip two thousand percent i don't care i won't even notice it i don't give a f i'll get some delta points basically it's like some people are saying oh maybe we'll join later there's a

[Amy Zimmer]

dinner being planned okay that was me

[George Severis]

that's all right so some people are saying i'll join later some people are joining and then in the middle of the dinner being like i have an early flight tomorrow maybe i'll leave but i actually not going to decide if i'm going to leave and i'm going to sort of like tease the concept of me leaving while ordering food other people are saying i have a dietary restriction other people are saying you know i'll come but you know sort of go to the bathroom first for twenty minutes that one i just made up

[Amy Zimmer]

that's not me that was not you

[George Severis]

no you actually were very regular thank

[Amy Zimmer]

you thank you yeah well to be fair the event was kind of right at a classic dinner time so i understand the frustration and i really hope with enough inner work you get there

[Sam Taggart]

but yeah do you guys panic when the event says six pm

[Amy Zimmer]

yeah i

[George Severis]

panic yeah well i think something that we should mention in this instance so the screening was at six pm amy of course not only has seen the movie but is in it so she did feel the need to attend the screening which is totally normal she introduced

[Amy Zimmer]

it with the director yes you and the director you just bang out of

[George Severis]

there you and the director introduced the screening and then as you know i would have done in your position left now here's what's interesting they had dinner during the screening oh now that adds an interesting element to all of this

[Amy Zimmer]

so i'm being crucified for leaving having dinner i was just saying you were

[George Severis]

especially laissez faire about dinner plans because you were actually centered it wasn't centered

[Sam Taggart]

on me this is interesting this is classic this is classic dinner for me and not for thee yeah well you

[Amy Zimmer]

were watching the film did you want to come to dinner instead when i

[George Severis]

was in the film i was locked

[Amy Zimmer]

in okay great you weren't thinking maybe i could be at dinner now i'll

[George Severis]

say this though at the reception a q and a kept getting teased yeah

[Amy Zimmer]

well that that i expected one as well but it was sort of there was immutability last night that was kind

[George Severis]

of electric it was schrodinger's q and

[Amy Zimmer]

a and they did and people were leaving they weren't yeah but everyone was

[George Severis]

having a good time is the thing no one was frustrated about the lack

[Amy Zimmer]

of q and a no i hope not yeah i had a great time all things considered i gotta say so that you had gripes i'm glad we're airing now with the lights on me from every angle you know so george

[Sam Taggart]

since there was no q and a do you have any q's now or

[Amy Zimmer]

a's or a's i actually have a

[George Severis]

lot of as and there's just a lot of things i would if you have any questions for me amy about the film i would be thrilled to answer them and even get it did i get it no did you get

[Sam Taggart]

it okay and if you have any questions for me as someone who hasn't seen it but has follows you on social media oh and sort of what that might mean what kind of stories

[Amy Zimmer]

do you think i should post moving

[Sam Taggart]

forward about it i think what you're doing is so perfect you're being so mysterious but i am really because i'm

[Amy Zimmer]

just sharing the movie so what's mysterious about what i'm doing well because what

[George Severis]

you're sharing she's straightforwardly promoting it you're

[Sam Taggart]

not sharing the full movie you're just sharing the poster and being like by the way i'm in this i'm like what are you talking about you don't

[Amy Zimmer]

get it literally okay so you guys both don't get it have you considered

[George Severis]

sharing the full film yeah maybe vertically

[Amy Zimmer]

in little well that's coming i'm talking with janice we're getting up a plan

[George Severis]

you should tell janice films they should get into short form vertical video do

[Amy Zimmer]

you think i have to tell them you think they're not already taking initiative

[Sam Taggart]

to be honest i question if they're taking initiative when it comes to short

[Amy Zimmer]

i was watching them edit taste of cherry in the corner while the movie was screening into fifteen second clips they

[George Severis]

should get into they should work with people like you know jake shane britney bronski broski broski excuse me bronte grande brittany grande they should work with a variety of lgbtq influencers maybe kind of branch out into like red carpet content at the vma's what else can we recommend for janice films viral pranks yeah have they considered doing viral pranks they have this amazing talent base you know they have this amazing group of talent you know they could bring in we

[Amy Zimmer]

could set up kind of like a boyfriend girlfriend pranks i love those you know when a when a boyfriend kind of violently plays dead yes and the girlfriend walks in being like babe oh my god and he's you know put ketchup on himself and cut himself in a bit sort of an illusion of such and it's quite violent i actually

[Sam Taggart]

do need a documentary on people who do couple couple pranks i'm obsessed with

[Amy Zimmer]

couples pranks actually i could have came in hot with that but i'm obsessed with couples pranks i think they're actually maybe the straightest most violent thing in

[George Severis]

history you know what's interesting yeah there is a version of the prank you just described in your film am i am i or am i not am i or am i not am i

[Amy Zimmer]

or am i not right is this on can we can we does janice

[George Severis]

not want it yet or i don't

[Amy Zimmer]

know what they want or not but to realize that is i'm out of my body right now did you feel like but it wasn't relational i mean

[George Severis]

it wasn't romantic yes it was one person it wasn't romantic and no spoilers

[Amy Zimmer]

by the way so blue heron is

[George Severis]

about a prankster who in some ways

[Amy Zimmer]

sam describes the movie not having not seen it from what we're talking about this is great for the film yeah

[Sam Taggart]

it's about a prankster who's a girl yeah amy before we started recording something kind of crazy happened here it comes

[Amy Zimmer]

again torpedo number two locked and loaded

[Sam Taggart]

yeah where you actually said glasses no glasses and we said oh my god glasses i can't believe you said you know these are just blue blockers yeah they're blue blockers and i said i thought you wore glasses your whole life

[Amy Zimmer]

which is amazing because you know sam and i have known each other for what upwards of how many years now nearly a decade i have never worn glasses once and so in his mind i assume you've thought i've had contacts on every day of my life until

[George Severis]

now you do have the look of someone that has just taken off her glasses yes i must say well thank you you have a look of someone who's like you have the look of

[Amy Zimmer]

someone who's like okay yeah it's like okay so the the upward the oh

[George Severis]

this isn't gonna work but we can if if you email susan then maybe we can get it i'm just thinking

[Amy Zimmer]

the skirts are too wrapped if that makes sense and if we could just tier the skirts instead of having the

[George Severis]

wraps if we could do one fewer wraps i i'm happy to get in there myself but i have that meeting

[Amy Zimmer]

at two thirty and i think we're in a good place but just progressing forward if the skirts could be kind

[Sam Taggart]

of tiered did that how did that make you feel to be so unseen

[George Severis]

to be so unclocked added to the

[Amy Zimmer]

list you know all my life you know just having to correct make corrective corrective moves to have people see you gotta let it go you gotta be free you gotta be yourself you gotta say hey someone thinks i've worn glasses all my life who am i to who am i to stop them in their fantasy that's true yeah that's true

[Sam Taggart]

i guess i feel i feel guilty and i'm gonna try to pay more attention to what to what women are

[Amy Zimmer]

wearing sam what women wear she's lying

[George Severis]

what is gaslighting you she's been wearing

[Amy Zimmer]

she's wore glasses think if you put all our episodes back to back and just did a super edit of you guys sort of what exposing you as a liar bringing up things that i had no idea were on your mind about me about my personhood about my personality what is that about i wonder because we're good friends right like we have fun we giggle and laugh when

[George Severis]

you inserted yourself via ai into this film that was made independently without your involvement and then burst into the janis films offices and said i'm ready to promote what was going through your head

[Amy Zimmer]

well you know it was a choice made well before the conversations about ai took off and so i think you know the ideas about generative ai hadn't been such a lightning rod and so when i decided to do that i just kind of felt like you know there's no stopping it you know what

[George Severis]

i mean and you were right forget

[Sam Taggart]

a year ago the conversation was completely

[Amy Zimmer]

different completely different and everybody was coming forward saying do this do it and so who was i to to get in the way of generative ai and things like that i mean they say

[Sam Taggart]

make your own opportunities you know yeah

[George Severis]

yes generate them by any means possible even if that means holding a gun to the head of janice well that

[Amy Zimmer]

wasn't me that was ai oh right

[Sam Taggart]

right right that's interesting that you said himself i always imagined the head of janice films to be a woman named

[George Severis]

janice so that would be iconic these

[Amy Zimmer]

are my films these are my films

[George Severis]

these are my films these are my

[Amy Zimmer]

films these are janice's films no one

[Sam Taggart]

gets between janis and her films that'll

[Amy Zimmer]

make me cry just thinking about that

[Sam Taggart]

she got rid of her middle name because she said i am just janice

[Amy Zimmer]

films janice p films so yeah i

[George Severis]

have a question for you here's something i'm struggling with okay earnestly okay find i'm struggling with finding a comedic entry point in talking about your work yeah oh because this because this film as i actually have now said off mic is a serious drama you are fully giving a dramatic non comedic performance no offense if you were aiming for slapstick but if you were you failed yeah

[Amy Zimmer]

i know there's there's a moment in it actually where it gets some titters that i'm secretly proud of but it's sort of not meant to be funny in the least and i think there's just a tinge of comedic relief in it but not really decided upon definitely

[George Severis]

it's a drama it's a drama i must say it works beautifully and i also think just on a separate personal level it depicts being the child of like non native english speakers in in this case canada but also america in a way that i hadn't ever seen if anyone is interested in that kind of depiction regardless of all of that i'm like how do we speak about this film comedically without sort of without like implying that we're making fun of it you know what i mean yeah

[Amy Zimmer]

i haven't figured it out yet because it is just sort of like a deeply i think a deeply felt drama yes and it's always funny because i talk about my background in comedy and people ask how i came to it and also we've done q and a's over festivals and things like that and people are a lot of the time quite emotional after the movie and i'm always like you know i'm so used to riffing in a q and a or something like that and it's just not the it's not the moment so i don't know yet but do you

[George Severis]

feel like you're alienating audiences left and right in that sense no oh okay

[Amy Zimmer]

yeah if you had i'll sit in

[Sam Taggart]

that no you had one amazing riff after so the film ends oh god credits roll it's you come out yeah and you're handed a mic what's your amazing riff to break the tension can

[Amy Zimmer]

you believe all that

[Sam Taggart]

who the hell

[Amy Zimmer]

was that and that was real the

[George Severis]

whole time is that final cut yeah i thought this was a comedy yeah

[Amy Zimmer]

yeah yeah yeah no i should i say what the movie's about okay well

[George Severis]

i actually would love it if you because i don't know how much i'm

[Amy Zimmer]

allowed to spoil yeah it's a delicate thing i guess and i also haven't

[George Severis]

seen it right so sam and sam has a good reason which is that

[Amy Zimmer]

he had a show yeah so sam you had a show would you like to know what the film's about sure okay great but don't tell me too

[Sam Taggart]

much cause i wanna be surprised okay

[Amy Zimmer]

great so this is a debut feature of course by sofie ramvari i don't know if you're familiar with her shorts they're on the criterion channel right now

[Sam Taggart]

oh yeah that's like youtube you have

[Amy Zimmer]

a subscription right of course i imagine so the last thing you streamed on there just curious just movies all yeah okay so this is a debut feature it's a family drama set in nineteen nineties vancouver great year where a hungarian family immigrates to vancouver they have an eldest sibling eldest son a sibling to three other siblings if you will and yeah he suffers some behavioral issues so the film sort of he's addicted to pranks i'll let you infer what happens

[George Severis]

this kind of tension is of course what i'm interested in the tension sam is doing his job of riffing on what you're saying right you're saying can i please finish because i'm a serious

[Amy Zimmer]

actor it's concentrated lob app i feel but yeah so okay so yeah he's maybe doing pranksies maybe not you know you'll have to you'll have to see it to believe it and of course

[George Severis]

that's the tagline of the film you have to see it to believe it

[Amy Zimmer]

yeah and basically it centers on the family's life dealing with this kind of crisis and then there is more to come where i am involved you're not

[George Severis]

are you you're not even saying who

[Amy Zimmer]

you play i played the adult version of her name's sasha a young sasha

[George Severis]

a young sister young sister of the brother boy with behavioral issues did that

[Sam Taggart]

hurt did you go into audition for the young version and they cast you as the old version and you were

[Amy Zimmer]

like what the well considering that she's about nine are you older than that just a couple months but on camera it does so much but you went

[George Severis]

through early puberty i actually really did

[Amy Zimmer]

so actually don't even joke about that because you have no idea what it's like going through puberty at nine ten

[George Severis]

years old were you cast because of your puberty for early puberty yeah yeah

[Amy Zimmer]

i think the director could feel that

[George Severis]

when we met yeah she said oh god i could feel that you're an old soul yeah because did you go

[Amy Zimmer]

through puberty early i did actually by the way i was the tallest person at ten years old for quite a

[George Severis]

while and you're still when around ten year olds one of the tallest yeah

[Amy Zimmer]

exactly and it's very very alienating actually i was a center in basketball so

[Sam Taggart]

i hear that not touching that i

[Amy Zimmer]

see that i was a center a little bit intimidated do you want us

[George Severis]

to comment on women's bodies more yeah

[Amy Zimmer]

ten year olds at least women's basketball hello like where are you guys on

[Sam Taggart]

this that's tr we are not making

[George Severis]

much noise all our opinions about college sports are behind a paywall and we don't feel comfortable expressing a lot of

[Amy Zimmer]

opinions yeah there's a model to all

[George Severis]

this i see yeah yeah yeah and sure i'll say it we believe all professional sports should be ten year olds

[Sam Taggart]

i love that so who voices the

[Amy Zimmer]

heron so we've got harvey fierstein oh

[George Severis]

my god that is so fun it's

[Amy Zimmer]

fab he's fab it's just you know and i heard say it's animated it's

[George Severis]

entirely animated it's animated in like a sort of like cartoon network kind of

[Amy Zimmer]

way well it would be if it wasn't for the heavy amounts of ai we're using to animate yeah yeah yeah

[George Severis]

yeah so it's ai well they animated

[Sam Taggart]

it and then they put it into an ai filter that said make it studio ghibli yeah yeah yeah yeah we

[Amy Zimmer]

did that and then we said erase that and then we said make it i don't know make it feel kind of i don't know just fun and they let you know you let the ai kind of do its thing it really has quite a point of view

[Sam Taggart]

yeah you let it do its thing

[George Severis]

yeah that's the thing people don't trust it you know people say people say get humans in there you know edit edit edit it's like talk to it

[Amy Zimmer]

it has so many things to say

[George Severis]

you just get to know that's what

[Amy Zimmer]

it needs what it wants okay tell them your deepest desires and secrets okay and they'll say i love that i love that there's so many people so

[George Severis]

you mostly did like voiceover of sound effects so it's kind of like yeah

[Amy Zimmer]

i went yeah so there's a point where the heron calls right and that's and i went and i did that for about three days without water by

[Sam Taggart]

the way wow yeah that must have

[George Severis]

been hard thank you and then they still had to replace it with ai cause it wasn't well they cut a

[Amy Zimmer]

lot of it because i apparently did it badly right and just to be

[George Severis]

clear you're not you're not at all represented in the final cut of the film is that true no i'm not

[Amy Zimmer]

in it i'm not in it per se it's just sort of an idea of what it would be like if i was in a janice film yeah that's kind of why i'm on the

[Sam Taggart]

pod you know the idea of being in a janice film this is so complex now i see what you mean because of course you were at first earnestly telling us the plot and sort of what the tone is oh i'm

[Amy Zimmer]

punished now for riffing no no no

[Sam Taggart]

you're being celebrated i'm just like i'm worried i don't know what the listener knows i don't know if they're like i trust our listeners of course but sometimes i'm like what if they're confused

[Amy Zimmer]

no listeners it's a drama it's a drama and i think everything it's a

[George Severis]

family drama that is unexpected and formally experimental formally inventive inventive inventive i need to stop saying experimental yeah because it makes it sound unfinished or something it

[Amy Zimmer]

would be fun to talk about that if had more people see the movie it comes out april seventeenth in theaters and that's real yeah that's real yeah and that's real confirmed yeah that's confirmed and yeah the fact that it is

[George Severis]

a criterion release does that mean it's going to be streaming on the criterion

[Amy Zimmer]

channel soon i believe so i don't know when but it will one day

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[Sam Taggart]

are you ready for my amazing interview questions sure george says you cry in the movie that's true was that fact check true was that hard yeah

[Amy Zimmer]

was that hard it was i well i didn't i was really scared about those scenes because i had never done that before and it felt the day i'm like it was hard but i have to say filming this was for as heavy as a film is it was really a rejuvenating experience and i had a wonderful time filming it and i also those scenes which were really intense the actors that i performed with when i cry i'll say that were so really generous and so i felt like in the scene there was a lot of maybe this sounds like classic actor stuff but i felt really supported and it didn't feel so much like is he gonna do it you know what i mean it was just kind of there was really an environment where it was just being played yeah i

[George Severis]

do think it would have been really cool if they were sort of rather than acting along with you being like come come on yeah let it rip

[Amy Zimmer]

i know well sophie and i did have conversations where she was like you know like no pressure it would be awesome but no pressure yeah and i

[Sam Taggart]

was feeling a bit sexual in a way it's sort of like when someone is like well crying worried about getting hard and you're like don't even oh

[George Severis]

my god yeah yeah being able to perform literally that's why it's performance anxiety

[Amy Zimmer]

soft environment for which things can if

[Sam Taggart]

we don't fuck that's fine yeah yeah

[Amy Zimmer]

yeah you have to have a little of that or i don't know at least for me i'm sure there's actors who can do it on a dime and that's really impressive to me it really is it really is wow how

[Sam Taggart]

did you did you like listen to a sad song or like how did you get into it this is something i've always been confused about i did

[George Severis]

did you listen to skinny love did

[Sam Taggart]

you listen to fk twig's cellophane

[Amy Zimmer]

in a sense i listened to both of those at once i did i did things i listened to and i thought about some stuff that was messed up

[George Severis]

and the economy yeah the economy inflation

[Amy Zimmer]

cry it makes me cry when i

[Sam Taggart]

think about it what i think about

[George Severis]

the stocks i guess oh my god

[Amy Zimmer]

so yeah i did stuff like that and i thought about like i did think about like eventually coming on here and talking about it and and that's

[George Severis]

what really got the wheels turning and

[Amy Zimmer]

they just came they just came they

[Sam Taggart]

just came yeah wow well we're so happy to help in your process of

[Amy Zimmer]

course you always help did you know i want you to feel that you always sam you always help thank you thank you george there's still time are

[Sam Taggart]

you like gonna do drama forever now

[Amy Zimmer]

that was gonna be my question will drama forever you mean instead of comedy

[George Severis]

are you swearing off comedy is there any sides would you say this podcast episode is quote the last hur in terms of your comedy career i don't

[Amy Zimmer]

want it to be you're going to

[Sam Taggart]

delete this because you're going to be like wait they can't see me as

[George Severis]

funny i don't like how i'm portrayed in this vertical video no earnestly no

[Amy Zimmer]

i mean i don't know i'm like however people will have me i'll do i'll do whatever i did think about it a lot where i was like what like you know i'm like an alt comedian yeah who did this drama and people are like who huh and i'm like i don't know i'm like doing my thing do you feel like

[George Severis]

jennifer aniston when she did the movie

[Amy Zimmer]

cake oh i'll never know what it was like to do cake i will never know what it was like to

[George Severis]

do cake will ever be able to relate to her experience doing cake doing

[Sam Taggart]

cake there is one person who knows what it was like to be jennifer aniston doing cake and that's jennifer aniston when she was doing cake by the way i have no idea what this film is you haven't seen cake i'd never even heard of it cake is

[George Severis]

jennifer aniston's dramatic turn and she plays a woman with chronic pain which i guess you don't give a shit about

[Amy Zimmer]

yeah oh the lights are too bright at my show and you know who's

[George Severis]

in it chronic pain the main guy from avatar australian guy oh yeah who

[Sam Taggart]

they have locked up in the avatar

[George Severis]

well that was the one time he escaped and it was to do cake and then they said okay that's enough sweetheart back to the kennel back to

[Amy Zimmer]

pandora it's funny to hear to do cake yeah that phrase is interesting maybe

[George Severis]

i mean it sort of sounds like to do coke doesn't have any lines of cake and then you it's two drugs combined we're seeing my kay and

[Amy Zimmer]

coke boots that's my ego boots well

[George Severis]

you know that cake refers to the only painkiller jennifer aniston can do that addresses chronic pain and it's chocolate she's like chocolate chocolate chocolate she's like i

[Sam Taggart]

have chronic pain and the only cure is a little chocolate cake she was

[George Severis]

playing it comedic in a way that didn't really make sense for the film and i think you luckily didn't fall into that trap jennifer aniston i think freaked out about the dramatic nature of the film and then went in being so slapstick she was like slipping on the frosting and falling and cooking it and then there was like flour all over her face and she was like

[Amy Zimmer]

aye aye aye well let me ask this if i can turn the tables please what's either of your experiences with acting cause you guys have both done

[Sam Taggart]

it well i'm horrible at it of course i you know i'm only cast if my dear friends are making the television show but i think you have

[Amy Zimmer]

a delightful presence well thank you i appreciate all the lobs out there that

[Sam Taggart]

mean i recently had the realization as george knows i'm i'm feeling complex feelings about like i was thinking about like safy casting and how you're either like timothy shalam or you're like the ugliest on earth and i'm like oh i'm gonna if i'm ever in a safdie it's gonna be as the ugliest on

[Amy Zimmer]

earth oh come on sucks i mean i don't see that for you i see you i see you in the space between i love to be in

[George Severis]

the space between one of my core wounds when it comes to acting of course is that i once had a scene with jessica biel that was cut

[Amy Zimmer]

from the project oh yeah we all have done that i've done that i had a scene with jica biel it's

[George Severis]

mostly me i don't think you've ever actually met jessica the opposite of jennifer

[Sam Taggart]

aniston and gay where we've all done that and we all experienced that no

[George Severis]

i think i'm the only gay guy that has ever filmed jessica biel and then had the scene cut now of course my line was gorgeous as always

[Amy Zimmer]

i don't think it's because of you

[George Severis]

here's the thing i can't imagine no i actually can i say think it might have been really well i don't know maybe i'm give me the read

[Amy Zimmer]

in do you remember how you said

[George Severis]

it i don't remember and i could never even begin to get into that

[Amy Zimmer]

character maybe we'll do this scene i'll

[George Severis]

be here's what's interesting what do you think i meant when i said gorgeous as always to jessica biel i think you were and that's misogynistic so what i actually meant oh i'm sorry i

[Amy Zimmer]

can't so shutting me down from even

[George Severis]

speaking is you thought i meant her looks i actually meant her writing because she in the scene had just read something and i said gorgeous as always i was referring to the writing okay

[Amy Zimmer]

not a word out of me about

[George Severis]

it not a word okay but let's

[Amy Zimmer]

do i want to do the scene

[George Severis]

let's do the scene okay let's do

[Amy Zimmer]

the scene okay so give me a little feedback i'll play jessica yeah i'm writer i'm writer yeah so i'm book

[Sam Taggart]

writer what type of writing so you're

[George Severis]

actually reading the eulogy at your dead husband's funeral was he a doctor or he just a little i don't actually remember what his job was but he died under mysterious circumstances so that's definitely part of what you're accessing and i

[Amy Zimmer]

have to read the eulogy yeah maybe

[George Severis]

we can skip to like the final line you know you don't have to do a full eulogy okay okay

[Sam Taggart]

she's really getting into it it

[Amy Zimmer]

there's a time for all of us in this life and there's a time where we come into this world and come out and stephen lived he died how he lived writing his epic poetry with style and grace and he moved me as he moved all of you to dream

[Sam Taggart]

bigger thought it would just be one

[Amy Zimmer]

line i'm getting to the line i'm finding it to dream to dream bigger and better than what this life and now i'm thrown off what this life could imagine and he will always be my steven pretty much and i pretty much love you guys as well and i will always think of him pretty much all the time like so yeah that's basically it gorgeous as always so

[George Severis]

that's how i read it i can

[Amy Zimmer]

see i see why it went wrong

[George Severis]

but i felt like i was sort of pretty grounded so anyway in terms of my relationship to acting i think something that has never happened to anyone which is having a scene cut from a jessica biel project happened to me and so i took that as a sign that i should move away from the art form well i i do

[Sam Taggart]

think you're being too hard on yourself i think personally as someone that makes excuses for my poor performances yeah i think it's not fair when you are just given one line that's the hardest

[Amy Zimmer]

thing you can do it's the hardest

[George Severis]

thing you can do the thing is i actually had three lines oh well

[Amy Zimmer]

that's different that's the easiest thing you

[George Severis]

can do and when i when i came on so i actually had even more and before we even began they said we're cutting this part so now you're down to three i did the three lines and then that was cut from the final project yeah well i

[Amy Zimmer]

don't blame yourself don't blame yourself you get knocked down you get up ten you know what i mean do you

[George Severis]

think it was jess's fault jessica do you refer to what she read what i that's how she introduced herself to

[Amy Zimmer]

me if she read what i read then there could be fault there just when it comes to the dialogue and the language and the well you you

[George Severis]

actually were completely off book that was the exact dialogue yeah you gave me

[Amy Zimmer]

you gave me your sides for a second and yeah she said pretty much

[George Severis]

a lot yeah it was weird yeah

[Amy Zimmer]

that's okay though i think so yeah it comes down to the feeling you want the film to have it's not

[Sam Taggart]

about actors did i tell you about when i auditioned for orange is the

[George Severis]

new black you were supposed to play crazy eyes

[Sam Taggart]

i literally auditioned for orange is the new black and i the scene was like okay so i was a security guard who walks in seeing someone had been raped like in prison and was like like and also maybe stabbed and i'm supposed to run in and find their body and does sam

[George Severis]

dot tape self tape needs to talk about something that needs to be released by janice films in the criterion collection

[Sam Taggart]

it was that thing about how did

[Amy Zimmer]

you begin how did you begin i have another audition story after this okay

[Sam Taggart]

i run in and my line is is is he breathing and you know i can't deliver is he breathing you know that's not me and i run in and i go is he breathing you know i can't do that and the woman just looks at me like

[Amy Zimmer]

okay awesome oh this was in person

[Sam Taggart]

this was in person pre pandemic i was it was the hubris of a twenty eight year old being like well

[George Severis]

sure yeah yeah they'll probably want me

[Amy Zimmer]

is he breathing is he breathing i'm

[Sam Taggart]

like on the ground imagining a body

[Amy Zimmer]

is he breathing is he breathing is

[George Severis]

that breathing is he breathing god i

[Sam Taggart]

think about it every single day you

[Amy Zimmer]

know what i think about i have a story where i had to audition as somebody who had basically i think it was like either joan of arc or just a dead woman who had been resurrected after three thousand years i'm sorry and by the way i booked and i couldn't do it because i was not in town what wow so

[Sam Taggart]

you nailed i booked in what world

[George Severis]

do you not remember if it was either joan of arc or a random

[Amy Zimmer]

dead man it was an art installation and there were multiple i think videos and i don't know if i was auditioning for joan of arc or for another woman i think it was joan of arc being resurrected after three years

[George Severis]

so did you have to do it

[Amy Zimmer]

french accent i had to have no i spoke nothing okay i had a little they were like so so this is what we're thinking i walk into the room it's a room not unlike this they're like so it was a

[George Severis]

podcast it was dead joan of arc doing a podcast it was dead joan of arc doing i don't think so

[Amy Zimmer]

honey unless ten seconds no but i i walk in and they're like okay so this is what we're thinking so she's joan of arc she's been you know dead for three thousand years and we want to see what it looks like if she comes back to life is resurrected and she's thirsty and so they gave me a tiny little pollen

[George Severis]

spring and they set it on the

[Amy Zimmer]

floor set it on the floor and they said we want you to do this lying down so go see the film blue heron april seventeenth sponsored by

[George Severis]

poland spring yeah that is so crazy

[Amy Zimmer]

that's not in the movie but wow and i did it was really really intense and i had i and you booked i booked but i yeah i wonder who else was was auditioning well probably an artist yeah yeah but it was yeah i'll never forget that it doesn't beat is he breathing is he

[George Severis]

breathing and you book that too i

[Sam Taggart]

booked that bad it's like one of

[Amy Zimmer]

two things i booked by the way

[Sam Taggart]

no it's amazing that when you look back on things and you're like you know it's not that i actually wasn't given opportunities it's that i flopped and

[Amy Zimmer]

bombed them well i've had plenty of

[Sam Taggart]

those but you know we're on a journey and i think my forties are going to be so to die for

[Amy Zimmer]

when i that i think that as

[Sam Taggart]

well yeah something's going to settle yeah

[George Severis]

yeah yeah i still think you know if sam famously auditioned to play cousin greg on succession you did i always think he would have been really good

[Sam Taggart]

at it oh my god this was my first audition literally ever stop i got an agent and then it was like okay you're gonna audition for cousin

[George Severis]

greg we're starting big yeah they're like

[Sam Taggart]

they're like whatever you don't even know what stuff is just do this one

[Amy Zimmer]

you would have been wait do you remember the sides for it i do

[Sam Taggart]

it was from the pilot yeah the

[Amy Zimmer]

mascot stuff yeah but i like like

[Sam Taggart]

didn't know what an audition was like it says come in they say come in and read for this and i was like oh my like amelia bedelia ass bitch i literally bring the script in and just read and they're like

[Amy Zimmer]

awesome they're like so you need to

[Sam Taggart]

memorize this they're like so can you do it to camera and i was

[Amy Zimmer]

like you're like what's a camera i

[Sam Taggart]

was literally like look and then i'd like look up and then i'd be

[Amy Zimmer]

like

[Sam Taggart]

and it was like what am i thinking like i learned later on

[Amy Zimmer]

what you do well i didn't read it but i remember doing something that was like really early on and i was like so what was the feedback and they were they said you were really green and i was like oh what does green mean people love to

[Sam Taggart]

tell you phrases when you don't know what they mean yeah yeah yeah and you're like so if i'm green i

[George Severis]

don't know what green means that is the first i would say i'm still going through that stage of where it's just like you learn if someone tells you something by the way it's impossible to google if someone is like oh yeah they said that you you know

[Amy Zimmer]

had the blinders on the pmax exactly

[George Severis]

and then you're like okay great if i google that it will literally give me nothing so i just have not know what it is they're like this is a condition they're like a color

[Sam Taggart]

and literally you're like yeah

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[Sam Taggart]

so amy our first segment is called straight shooters and in this segment we're going to ask you a series of rapid fire questions it's basically this thing or this other thing to gauge your familiarity with and complicity in straight culture the only rule is you can't ask any follow up questions or we will scream okay we will scream is he breathing so amy indie sleaze or windy

[George Severis]

breeze windy breeze shopping the supreme drop or flopping with ai sleep flop shopping

[Sam Taggart]

the supreme drop making your needs known or baking with wheat dough baking with

[George Severis]

we do tate mccrae or hate finds a way

[Amy Zimmer]

ooh i don't like this no one does i'm going tate mcrae

[Sam Taggart]

off broadway or on top of method

[Amy Zimmer]

on top of may

[George Severis]

silver spoon bronze bust or gold member

[Amy Zimmer]

gold member having

[Sam Taggart]

twenty twenty vision or making money hungry decisions

[George Severis]

making money hungry decisions carhartt walmart or cuisinart oh cuisinart cuisinart cuisinart sorry i mispronounced it in the original french it's cuisinart oh okay oh do you

[Amy Zimmer]

know d' artagnan that brand of meat

[Sam Taggart]

never heard of this there's brands of

[George Severis]

meat i'm sorry your question is there's brands of meat do you think it's all farm to table i love coming on here i love everyone this is a classic person who doesn't cook sam thinks that everyone wakes up every day and they get delivery from local farms

[Amy Zimmer]

they read their auditions

[George Severis]

someone brings them a live chicken they slaughter it in house in your upper west side apartment and then they say okay roast her

[Amy Zimmer]

up name one brand of meat i know you have this in you purdue

[George Severis]

chicken that's right there is brands of

[Amy Zimmer]

meat yeah we live in a world of brands sam you know that better

[George Severis]

than anyone you think the last the last industry that hasn't been corporatized is

[Sam Taggart]

meat food i just like i've never heard it like said like brands of meat like it's just sounded weird you

[Amy Zimmer]

know them in your heart i do

[Sam Taggart]

know them in my heart but it just sounded weird it was like i was imagining like clothing brands but meat

[George Severis]

like product it's very similar that's very similar you know there's packaging that has a logo i think soon they will

[Amy Zimmer]

merge probably you'll get some prada turkey

[Sam Taggart]

i want the steak collab i think

[Amy Zimmer]

that would be fabulous i i think

[Sam Taggart]

i feel and think okay why did

[Amy Zimmer]

that happen i just asked if you had heard of the brand d' artagnan because it came into my head what is it it's a brand of meat

[George Severis]

something is it an artisanal is it like really high quality meat yeah isn't it amazing that when you go to purchase me you always have the thought process of like okay so is this poison i don't know which i don't know which brand is good and then you just have to be like oh

[Amy Zimmer]

well i gotta eat and then every

[George Severis]

day every single day you go to the grocery store it's like is that is that gonna poison me yeah like well i guess we'll see something will yeah something will yeah it's really amazing how there's no transparency when it comes to food in this country well that's all gonna change as soon as blue heron comes out you guys are there

[Amy Zimmer]

a lot of food safety and you're

[George Severis]

partnering with tout de la fruit or whatever that company is called i don't know what was the company mentioned what language is that that's got to be french oh de art oh i see

[Amy Zimmer]

i see i'm not saying it right

[Sam Taggart]

and when did the words start and

[Amy Zimmer]

stop de art i'm apostrophe artanyan artanyan

[Sam Taggart]

one word you sort of sound like

[Amy Zimmer]

digiorno now we're talking digiorno de artignon

[George Severis]

de artignon i'm not you sound like lucille bluth saying anyang and is that a problem well it's a little problematic da artanyan that's you talking to your okay this is really offensive do you

[Sam Taggart]

guys remember the america's funniest home videos where the cat would go

[Amy Zimmer]

now we're

[Sam Taggart]

getting there that's what dar dan yang

[Amy Zimmer]

reminds me of when the cat make the funny noise where's student the eldest millennial millennial do you want to do an indie with me called the eldest

[George Severis]

millennial oh that's a good idea the

[Amy Zimmer]

eldest millennial oh my god and it's when you settle in your forties you bring up neon cat

[George Severis]

can i has cheeseburger yeah yeah yeah and it's like

[Amy Zimmer]

there's something deeply like it's kind of like lars and the real girl but it's about cat memes

[Sam Taggart]

oh my god i don't know what's gotten into me

[George Severis]

today lars and the real girl now how do we get back to that era of filmmaking you know what i mean that's all you needed back then

[Amy Zimmer]

i know you needed lars you needed

[George Severis]

lars and you needed the real girl and it was sort of like quirky

[Amy Zimmer]

let them figure it out on the

[George Severis]

table back when quirky was enough now

[Amy Zimmer]

it's over now it's gotta be formally innovative and you know older half in

[George Severis]

hungarian yeah yeah yeah it has to have an old comedian crying lars and the real girl folks i know simple as lars the real girl you do the math that was the tagline of

[Amy Zimmer]

the film sponsored by dartan young by

[Sam Taggart]

dart and young oh my god should we get into our topic i guess so we don't have to we should

[Amy Zimmer]

okay well just know however it goes

[George Severis]

we don't have to my fear and i'm just gonna come out and say it all right as someone who know who is not a doesn't drive is not a car owner and barely could point to sort of the parts of

[Amy Zimmer]

a car by the way same i

[George Severis]

worry about any car related topic and so i'm coming at i'm going into this from a place of fear okay i wanted to be open and honest about that before you say what the

[Amy Zimmer]

topic is so okay and i just

[George Severis]

want you to know i i think you clocked when you said the topic and i shuddered a bit that was why oh okay it wasn't because i thought that's a bad topic okay well

[Amy Zimmer]

it could be but i don't i don't know it's something i want to work out in the room yeah yeah and so i brought my straight topic today which is fender benders okay so

[Sam Taggart]

what feels initially straight about that to

[Amy Zimmer]

you well i recently experienced one and i found were you driving i was in the passenger seat okay and i found the entire exchange like a litigation nightmare which seems pretty on brand yeah and there's a lot there's a deep performance of when it happens it's it's quite shocking and i think the go to phrase is oh for god's sake which feels like a really straight kind of way of saying things and also the exchanging of information yes to exchange information in twenty twenty six is you know to talk to insurance just tap your phone yeah just swipe basically yeah and yeah i find the whole thing kind of like it's evocative of of the thing that is already so confining which is the rules of the road yes and violating them or making mistakes and things like that i find fender

[Sam Taggart]

bender to be one having like a cutesy name for something that is like horrifying and traumatic and annoying as fuck yeah is funny because i wish it's like well if it's called a fender bender then let's treat it like a fender bender like let's have some fun actually like we're stuck here for a

[Amy Zimmer]

bit let's go get cocktails dramatics actually in the event of the fender bender but you have to make it you have to call it a boo boo do you know what i mean when it's actually like you can see how everyone was as a child when you get into a fender bender how people react to anger and shock and surprise

[George Severis]

and stuff like that do you think maybe that's why it's called a fender bender because it's baby talk yes it's baby talk it brings you into kind of the rhyme based environment where everyone is suddenly goo goo ga ga the wheels on the bus go around and round and round but sung by a

[Amy Zimmer]

children's choir yeah but it's a pretty adult experience some very adult experience have

[Sam Taggart]

you been in one so weirdly no

[Amy Zimmer]

oh see this is this is kind of proving my point a little bit

[George Severis]

because sam is gay he's never been in one so therefore it is straight is that do i have to spell

[Amy Zimmer]

it out

[Sam Taggart]

i've never been in a fender bender and i it's actually been such a long journey of not getting into a car accident knock on wood that i'm starting to victim blame people that are right like where i'm like well you probably must have not been

[Amy Zimmer]

paying attention oh guaranteed by the way i was not not you know i have bias i know but i was not in the car that was in

[Sam Taggart]

the wrong and well the blame of course the blame the blame is the biggest part yeah where it's like cut and dry it's like well if you're the one that bumped into them then you're the one at fault yeah that's

[Amy Zimmer]

where you see kind of like the inner workings of you know american empire in my case a boomer's inner child and it's like whoa yeah there's a lot that's it's very little to be

[George Severis]

ironed out you say a boomer's inner child because the boomer suddenly not me

[Amy Zimmer]

yeah yeah yeah instantly you're suddenly at

[George Severis]

recess and someone has accidentally hit you

[Amy Zimmer]

and and i'm watching like a group of people calm the person down who is a little bit to blame you

[Sam Taggart]

know this is okay follow me on this one fender bender because we're a nation of cars except for new york city literally we're in it yeah fender bender culture everyone knows it everyone has been in one and they have gotten out and and like filmed taking pictures been like this is your fault this is your fault arguing yeah we are now it has steeped into every part of culture where that's why like now everyone is like filming and being like you have touched me i have proof you have touched me i have proof everyone thinks they're constantly in a fender bender they have like fender bender vision

[George Severis]

of the world yeah it was fender bender was the original cancel culture in some ways and we're kind of fender benderizing the rest of society as we speak as we sit here and record

[Amy Zimmer]

now that i that i hadn't marinated with well as you marinate darks onion

[George Severis]

delicious in your latte noir yeah you're dom num num as you marinate as you marinate i want to say also this yeah here's the thing with fender benders we're used to a isolated individualistic lifestyle where everyone is in their own car physically can't touch their fellow man can't speak cannot even be heard outside of the confines of the car a fender bender is a violent assault on that individualistic lifestyle oh by the way

[Amy Zimmer]

yeah keep going oh i'm sorry i can't cut you off once i'm speaking i'm sorry i couldn't speak you called me misogynistic i can't pipe in on a lively pod with my closest friends

[George Severis]

as i was saying it is a break in the individualistic you know lifestyle that everyone leads and that's why people react with such violence they're saying i didn't i didn't know you could see me or touch me yes well i

[Amy Zimmer]

was going to add to that before or being put on a list or something that actually you unlocked a memory for me of this woman had been blasting talk radio when she stopped her car and it was echoing out into the far reaches of space and i was like in what universe is someone listening to talk radio this loud it had to be at like seventy out of one hundred on the knob yeah

[George Severis]

yeah she was sort of bringing a heavy metal vibe well it's like the

[Amy Zimmer]

curated space of of the car you know and to have that punctured is more disorienting than actually like the accident

[George Severis]

whoa oh right she was like zoning

[Amy Zimmer]

out she was like my day's ruined i was like yeah ours too yeah

[George Severis]

you know she's like but i don't

[Amy Zimmer]

see you yeah well she was free do you even have interior i didn't see you guys you were you weren't even here and then you know we're doing all the paperwork and stuff and she's calming down and then she's like and i'm sorry i ruined your day too and it was like okay after like forty five minutes i was like thank you you know that's nice you

[Sam Taggart]

know i think i have such a great fear of getting an offender bender just for the paperwork like i'm like oh god i don't know like what the systems would be and i know there's like a very regimented thing you

[Amy Zimmer]

have to follow i would drown if it had if i had been driving

[Sam Taggart]

i'd say take my car i would

[Amy Zimmer]

drown myself do whatever you want i was like i can't even sign sign at the dotted line i'd be so

[Sam Taggart]

overwhelmed i know this is like a common thing and we've talked about it a million times but i'm like why are cars nice why can't we just run into each other a little bit

[Amy Zimmer]

this is i can't it all be bumper pies i had the same thought when it came to straight culture because i was like well what's the alternative you know if we if we lived in a different type of universe and i was like there is either a world where fender benders don't exist right or there's the other timeline where fender benders are constant and our cars are mutilated at will and there's structures in

[George Severis]

place and they're made to be they're

[Amy Zimmer]

made to be totaled it's a gta sort of lifestyle and you're there are you know social structures in place to protect first of all the person from any bodily harm but also the right to to fend and bend but i

[George Severis]

and i think what you're describing is a more collectivist approach to transportation because yeah you are designing a car with the with the go kart intention of it being part of a larger community of cars yeah whereas currently cars are being designed as designed as extensions of the self exactly saying i'm buying a ferrari because that's my personality yes yeah instead it should be i'm lug this

[Amy Zimmer]

thing around till you can exactly and get where you need to go and be safe but by the way if you need to crash into a bunch of people to get where you're going that's your they're going to be safe you're going to be safe and we are going to have mechanics all over this great nation helping to make this

[Sam Taggart]

a reality happily i drive a really old kind of shitty car and what is it it's a two thousand nine

[Amy Zimmer]

toyota highlander okay there goes a sponsorship toyotas are fabulous cars well it runs

[Sam Taggart]

like a dream but it's you know it's not it's not fancy it's not new yeah yeah and i feel that i feel like the most free person on all of the road because everyone is like freaking out and i'm like run into me and i don't yeah

[Amy Zimmer]

that's what i'm saying ruin my car it's still going to run like a

[Sam Taggart]

dream yeah hit me cuz it's a toyota but i also sometimes feel like the like the joker a bit where i'm like i'm not stuck in here with you you're stuck in here with me via the roads because if people

[Amy Zimmer]

are like being a free agent being

[Sam Taggart]

pushy i'm like yeah i don't mind

[Amy Zimmer]

a bump yeah yeah yeah do it do it wreck your wreck your volvo wreck your volvo happens this thing's going to be like a tank yeah yeah and you have never driven or well

[George Severis]

so i did get a license in my early twenties briefly congratulations and the second time i drove i got into a fender bender really oh you okay

[Amy Zimmer]

so you had so much to talk about yeah you went into this scene

[George Severis]

you've been hiding this but i would say it was such a traumatic experience you came into the scene i've basically not really engaged in driving since no

[Sam Taggart]

wonder you to be clear that's how his first husband died it was so

[Amy Zimmer]

yes is he breathing and is he

[George Severis]

breathing that was what the woman said after she got out of her car it was in fact so light that there wasn't any damage and we didn't even exchange information i mean she like yeah just described felt she felt felt the bump and then got out and immediately started yelling at me she was like you were texting weren't you you were texting weren't you people are so quick to i was like i i was i wasn't and i even said because i was so freaked out and in my mind this wasn't something that could happen it was like well i failed at the thing i've been training for yeah yeah because i had it was literally my first like second or third time and so i was like i truly broke i mean i wasn't crying but i broke down i was like so i'm literally a new driver like i'm doing my best here and then she was and then she immediately like realized i was a human being she just went from being like i'm gonna murder you on the spot yeah to like oh maybe you have thoughts and feelings yeah and maybe you don't like you aren't out to murder me

[Amy Zimmer]

we had quite similar experience if you need like a slice i don't know if you would ever need more of it right now but if you needed a slice of the american psyche get an offender vendor no truly yeah it's

[George Severis]

the best so beautiful it's the best way to gau the american like where american culture is yeah where everybody's nerves

[Amy Zimmer]

are where their thoughts go which is me and then my bad you the

[Sam Taggart]

want to fight like it is like we all need to like lower our guns like there is something where you are almost the same way you're expected to do paperwork you're expected to come out of your car yelling yeah because it's like i need to be the yeah i need to be the one who is yelling more because then it's

[George Severis]

not my fault it's setting the precedent

[Amy Zimmer]

yes this is exactly what happened it's like if i come out guns blood that will be so disorienting that we'll sort of forget that i rammed into you you know or what if i

[George Severis]

come out guns ablazing i'm doming you into just instinctively saying the word sorry yeah and then oh that's legally binding that's legally binding she said sorry i

[Amy Zimmer]

know it's a classic it's a tangled

[Sam Taggart]

web we weave so when you got into your fender bender how did the driver emotionally deal with it of your drive the one that was the driver

[Amy Zimmer]

of your car i would say quite well quite calmly i mean we were team calm team calm and yeah there was this like i mean it was shocking and i i actually had a little bit of anger about it because i you know you're just like what what the hell what were you doing what were you thinking what were you doing because it was like truly someone who didn't see us so it was like you know you're not paying attention and all that kind of thing but yeah i would say my driver was incredibly calm that's good and and yeah got through it which which is kind of a nice thing was it your

[George Severis]

romantic partner yeah oh

[Amy Zimmer]

it was and the way they handled it was like amazing because when it happened i was like is he breathing like i don't know

[Sam Taggart]

so fender bender yeah it also brings to mind gender bender yeah what

[George Severis]

do you think of gender bending what

[Amy Zimmer]

do i think of gender bending yeah

[George Severis]

like are you for it or against it yeah and you have to choose you're for oh why when i met

[Amy Zimmer]

with the good people at d' artagnan they explained the concept to me d'

[George Severis]

artagnan taught you about gender bending yeah in a sense do they like label their chickens sort of like oh it's not a black and white george curry

[Amy Zimmer]

way oh it's not so black and white george i hate to burst your bubble but there's actually way more to it than labeling chicken one thing or

[George Severis]

another that's not the only way that a chicken produces a gender reader okay

[Amy Zimmer]

yeah just read a book because we don't do that kind of thing at d' artagnan we actually have a pretty pretty fluid way of behaving you know

[George Severis]

it really is on me i assumed that the only way way a poultry purveyor would engage with sex and gender is via labeling chickens yeah and that's where you're wrong but instead there there's more of a narrative hit the books hit the books okay i apologize yeah

[Sam Taggart]

wow dar danya can i tell you

[Amy Zimmer]

something also and you can cut this you checked your phone just in case

[Sam Taggart]

are you trying to check where we're

[Amy Zimmer]

at time wise is there time for me to tell you this yes okay so you frequently bring up the joan didion quote we tell ourselves stories in order to live correct so i thought of this the other day and what do you think of this we feed ourselves turkey in order to live

[George Severis]

you

[Sam Taggart]

can put the alt comedian in a drama film but you cannot take the alt comedian out of the alt comedian

[Amy Zimmer]

does that make sense that makes perfect

[George Severis]

sense to me so joel riff on

[Amy Zimmer]

set oh nonstop stop non stop they were laughing laughing did you think about

[Sam Taggart]

starting a podcast with any of them

[Amy Zimmer]

no but i'm told often to start

[George Severis]

a podcast did you ever think of kind of taking the crying scene in a more comedic direction so it's this you know you're having a conversation and suddenly you go yeah did you ever

[Amy Zimmer]

think about that well we did that to get it out of the way just to have options totally but then

[George Severis]

that's the take they used yeah weirdly

[Sam Taggart]

now a silly one they would they

[Amy Zimmer]

said now a silly one what's the one they they would say for parks and rec the what's the what do they say it's like the imp improv

[George Severis]

take interesting you think we know what is going on behind the scenes of parks and rec oh i'm sorry you

[Amy Zimmer]

were just talking for twenty minutes about portugal the man and you don't know about parks and rec i'm sorry you're talking about portugal the man you're ranking indie bands from two thousand six you

[George Severis]

think everyone who knows portugal the man also loves parks and run venn diagram

[Amy Zimmer]

and i'm willing to put money on

[George Severis]

it now that's interesting yeah you know what's interesting interesting in the moment maybe there was an opposition between people who liked portugal the man and people who like parks and rec but as they've gotten older they converged they admit look portugal the man and parks and rec are the same thing yeah i would

[Amy Zimmer]

say but they had like a fun fun run or something like that oh

[George Severis]

i see doesn't matter god i bet rashida jones absolutely killed it during those

[Amy Zimmer]

takes hey

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[George Severis]

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[Amy Zimmer]

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[Sam Taggart]

should we do our final slide segment yeah our next guest will be here in roughly ten

[Amy Zimmer]

minutes okay but like we don't have to say that it's like i'm here now no the listeners don't have to know that oh we got to get her out of here nice job in

[Sam Taggart]

your little movie we got to get her out of here we got to clean up this chair she's been sitting

[Amy Zimmer]

on yeah i made a mess so

[George Severis]

what

[Amy Zimmer]

so what is it a woman not a woman's right is what not

[George Severis]

a woman can we get this actress out of here making a mess making a mess you do you think it is a woman's right to make a

[Amy Zimmer]

mess well behaved women have you ever

[George Severis]

heard of this they make mess they make big mess do you know one time my friend helen helen hunt she's

[Amy Zimmer]

a huge went to her christmas party

[George Severis]

last year huge so my friend helen actually i've heard she's lovely helen hunt but that's not what i'm talking about

[Amy Zimmer]

of course you're talking about helen hunt

[George Severis]

i'm i'm yes helen hunt yeah who we know who we know and is not a great yeah so my friend helen one time she was talking to this woman who had a baby i've heard of those and wait till you hear this okay the baby was a

[Amy Zimmer]

girl yeah whoa okay so awkward she

[George Severis]

the baby was crying yeah he was crying the mom goes she's not oh no the baby wasn't crying the baby was being very good and the mom goes she's very well behaved and so my friend helen goes goes i guess she'll never make history thinking it would be like a really funny thing to say i don't know i think the mom looks at her dead eyed blank is like she will make history what

[Amy Zimmer]

she will make history this baby is

[Sam Taggart]

going to make history if i was

[Amy Zimmer]

her mother i'd say she will make

[George Severis]

history the mom is like it's as though she had never considered that her baby on account of being well behaved will never make history it took me

[Amy Zimmer]

a really long time to actually understand that quote if you think about it because i was like wait how well

[Sam Taggart]

it's definitely open to interpretation yeah not

[George Severis]

to not to bring rancor to me

[Sam Taggart]

it's pretty straightforward so you think women can do anything bad and that's good

[George Severis]

i don't think that's what the quote implies i think it's saying well behaved women right rarely make history it's not saying women that are not well behaved always make history or women that are not well behaved are always good it's simply saying the ones that are well behaved they're gonna go ahead and not make history okay eileen wuornos that's who

[Sam Taggart]

said it she made history i think

[Amy Zimmer]

her behaviors in the eye of the

[Sam Taggart]

beholder her behaviors in the eye of

[Amy Zimmer]

the beholder could be well and many people would argue well behaved a lot of people argue not well behaved it

[George Severis]

also is one of those neutral statements you know it's interesting because i think madeleine albright said it and it's like

[Sam Taggart]

is that wrong beats me i thought

[Amy Zimmer]

it was claudia schiffer i thought it

[Sam Taggart]

was claudia schiffer i thought it was

[Amy Zimmer]

claudia schiffer who said that claudia schiffer

[George Severis]

and madeleine albright got together like this they said it's time to maximize our joint slay they coined that it was claudia schiffer and madeleine albright they were hosting a podcast together called get out

[Amy Zimmer]

of this room i gotta get like

[George Severis]

them and and and she said well behaved women rarely make history that is completely morally neutral by the way it means like a woman who is a murderer will make history of course so where do we stand where do we where does that leave us it's kind of like if you let's say you're a tech entrepreneur you say my goal is to change the world disrupt that could disrupt those are morally neutral statements that could mean you're going to say

[Amy Zimmer]

solve world hunger it doesn't seem so

[Sam Taggart]

neutral disrupt good or disrupt bad yeah

[George Severis]

you can disrupt good or disrupt bad you think whatever the case may be

[Amy Zimmer]

something's been disrupted yes that's true yeah so i'll find my way on that phrase i think so what do you

[George Severis]

think of the phrase check please that

[Amy Zimmer]

i relate to more i really relate to that yeah yeah yeah i think it just it's easier for me to kind of comprehend what's going on there situationally and that might be my acting background or something like that i'm dropped into a scene well it combines your

[Sam Taggart]

acting background and your alt comedy background

[Amy Zimmer]

yeah finally where i can it's a sketch it's a scene whatever what is my motivation where have i been where am i going yeah check please check

[Sam Taggart]

please speaking of check please we should do our final segment okay so our final segment is called shout outs and in this segment we pay homage to the grand strait tradition of the radio shout out and shout out anything that we enjoy people places things ideas and we make them up on the spot do you have one i have one but it's kind of i'm like embarrassed by it preemptively but you go ahead

[Amy Zimmer]

okay

[George Severis]

what's up music lovers and apple music subscribers i want to give a shout out to yeba and her new album gene pretty much this girl actually has something called integrity which i thought was endangered i thought that we had banned that the second donald trump rose in the ranks and came into office but it turns out some select people in the world still have it and they are able to release music that is actually good and not following trends they're able to say thank you for your input mark ronson but i'm going to do this one myself they are able to be normal and not trend chasey and making tiktok dances viral to promote their album and they are able to be yeba and so i want to say shout out to yaba and shout out to everything you do and continue to do and shout out to specifically the song west memphis that i have been really enjoying on the album gene by yaba the artist what's up

[Sam Taggart]

freak losers and perverts around the globe i have sort of an opposite shout out and it is very on the trend chasing side i would like to give a shout out to the group known as fukkers but it's spelled that one way f c u k e r s i you know finally a group that makes fun dance music and seems to not give a f this chica who's in charge is so bored so lazy i say thank you finally someone is cool again i feel a bit i must say old listening to it and it's like one of those things where if i was twenty three i know i'd like have really strong opinions about whether they sucked or whether they were good but i right now i'm not that age and in fact i'm much older than that and i think you know what who gives a f if this girl can be lazy and sing whatever then i can be lazy in my critique and just say what a blast i'm having fun it makes me feel like i'm in new york city and i am out at the club having wearing my little sunglasses glasses and drinking my little drinks so shout out to fuckers i don't know if that's how you pronounce it or if there's a different way and i'm sorry that that's their name i didn't choose it xoxo sam wow

[Amy Zimmer]

hey listeners what's up it's me amy zimmer and i wanted to say i have to say right off bat that we've talked joked a lot about ai and i can't say that i'm quite interested in it but i have to give a quick shout out to the weird reels i've been seeing of strawberries getting in domestic situations i have been seeing a lot of that stuff lately and it is shock and mind blowing to see strawberries having an affair with mangoes blueberries eggplants and more oh my god some of these women are single mothers they are raising children without much support and i think we need to be kinder to them from the stories that i have seen these women need to be absolutely lifted up and i think these reels should ultimately stop but i have to shout out because they are in my brain at the moment and then lastly want to give a quick shout out to george and sam it's always something with them and i'm you know an honor to be a guest once again and shout out blue heron april

[Sam Taggart]

seventeenth april seventeenth please miss this has been such a true treat the chemistry

[Amy Zimmer]

is electric and every time you know

[Sam Taggart]

you think you don't have it and then you you just start talking and say damn there it is so excited to see the film it's so good

[George Severis]

and if i can be earnest for a second amy i'm so proud of you thank you and i really i was really blown away by the film and i and i've been thinking about i it's one of the ones that really sticks with you let's say that it ends and you're saying that's gonna come back to haunt me at a moment i don't even expect thank you thank you well bye bye podcast ends now for our visual learners you can watch full video episodes on our youtube

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