"Going Really Fast" w/ Perfume Genius

Summary

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Podcast Summary: StraightioLab

Episode: "Going Really Fast" w/ Perfume Genius

Release Date: March 3, 2026
Hosts: George Civeris and Sam Taggart
Guest: Perfume Genius (Mike Hadreas)
Network: Big Money Players Network and iHeartPodcasts

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Overview

This episode of StraightioLab features musician and artist Perfume Genius (Mike Hadreas) in a lively, self-aware conversation with hosts George and Sam. Together, they explore the under-examined corners of “straight culture” — riffing on topics like aggressive male hair flips, the cultural fascination with going fast (especially in cars), music industry banter, the straightness of hiking, and the social signals embedded in celebrity crushes. The conversation slides easily between playful banter and earnest reflections on performance, vulnerability, and self-perception, all punctuated by signature comedic detours.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. The Mood of the Times & Crowd Energy

• San Francisco Show Stories (04:13–08:08):
  • George and Sam recount a recent show where audience tensions erupted — fights about AI, ableist heckles, “straight couples at a gay show vibes,” and people taking jokes as endorsements.
  • Quote [06:14, George]: “They had the syndrome of mentioning something is the same as endorsing it.”
  • They note how crowd energy is increasingly volatile, reflecting wider societal anxiety and aggression.
• Emotional Dynamics (08:36–09:55):
  • Mike reflects that he often confuses hunger and generalized fear, and confesses: “I'm mad about being scared.”
  • George infers, “Being mad about being scared is kind of the power bottom of feelings.”

2. Emotional Games: Fuck, Marry, Kill with Feelings

• Expanded Banter (09:40–12:01):
  • They play “Fuck, Marry, Kill” with emotions: sad, angry, scared, then assign those feelings to members of Haim.
  • Quote [10:21, Perfume Genius]: “Scared you can kind of work with. ... I want to do this, but I'm scared.”

3. Banter Onstage: The Impossible Balance

• Mike’s Stage Persona (13:40–14:57):
  • Mike reveals he’s “really, really bad” at onstage banter, usually mumbling or veering into scatological humor, then pivoting to intense ballads:
    • Quote [14:06, Perfume Genius]: “I kind of get off on the embarrassment ... then I keep doing it.”
  • His boyfriend and collaborator Alan is better at “front-facing” content, but more serious on stage — ironically, he pushes Mike for more banter.

4. Musical Public vs Private (and the Perils of Banter)

• Audience Vibes (14:38–15:41):
  • Perfume Genius can’t get a good demographic “read” on his audience, often pivoting between comedic and deeply serious material.
  • Social media jokes sometimes fail to “land” at shows, and Mike notes the gulf between his online humor and concert expectations (e.g., his streak about “rat arthritis”).

5. Humor and Seriousness as Fluid States

• Seriousness vs Silliness (17:03–17:58):
  • Both hosts and guest reflect on toggling between being outwardly silly and deeply serious.
  • Quote [17:58, George]: “It actually gives it more weight that I'm deciding to be serious.”
• Poetry:
  • Sam shares his college poetry was read as hilarious, “the most serious thing ever written” [18:43], raising questions of tone, audience, and intent.

6. The Business of Celebrity and Award Shows

• Grammys Anxiety (25:51–26:34):
  • Perfume Genius is nominated for album cover art, feels “objectified,” and is anxious about social navigation and potential run-ins at the awards.

7. Segment: "Straight Shooters"

(Rapid-fire, forced-choice questions on “straight” and “gay” culture preferences) (29:37–32:00)

• Mike reveals split-second preferences: “Ren Faire,” “roast beef,” “Williams Sonoma,” “showering with a peer,” “Wheezy F Baby,” “joining the army,” “let’s foam”...
• Notable moment: George compliments Mike’s “let’s foam” delivery, saying “it’s all about style over substance.” (31:36)

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Deep Dives – Culture, Gender, Performance

8. On Musician Persona & Stage Names

• Naming Stories (58:33–61:07):
  • Mike chose “Perfume Genius” as a kind of joke, not expecting the longevity or iconic status the moniker now has.
  • Hosts riff on how other stage names (Cat Power, St. Vincent, Lorde) range from the silly to the sublime, but ultimately become “natural” if the artist owns them.

9. Straight Male Signaling: Hair Flips & Celebrity Crushes

• The “Cool” Hair Flip (63:55–65:42):
  • Mike describes how straight men with longish hair refuse to touch their hair, preferring a head shake. This, the trio agrees, is a signal of disavowing grooming as “feminine.”
  • Quote [65:00, George]: “Hair is one of the gayer parts of the body. For you to acknowledge having hair is almost like... acknowledging having a butt.”
• Going Really Fast (Topic Proper) (65:52–73:34):
  • Mike’s core topic is the straight cultural obsession with “going really fast,” especially in cars.
    • It’s “being proud of your adjacency to power” — you press the gas, the car goes fast; you take credit for speed/power that’s not yours.
    • The hosts riff on the absurdity of idolizing driving/racing, questioning whether this is, in fact, an athletic skill.
    • Quote [66:19, George]: “It's being proud of your adjacency to power, rather than the power you yourself have.”
    • Adrenaline-junkie activities and racing culture are seen as especially straight-coded.
  • The conversation wanders into related observations:
    • How gay men drive (“in a hurry,” possibly drunk), and the absurdity of racing as sport (it’s “just sitting”).
    • NASCAR and F1 as “straight culture extremes,” with drivers typically “hot, but in a Republican way” (70:41).

10. The Butt Discourse

• Big Asses & Straight Men (71:12–73:23):
  • Mike ponders whether straight men with big butts are wasting a natural resource (“it’s just a poop area”).
  • George finds beauty in the lack of utility—“a purely aesthetic object.”
  • Sam reframes a large, unused butt as a “vulnerability, a humanizing factor,” making a “CEO” into just a “CFO” (72:52).

11. Fast Walking, Anxiety, & The Failure to Love Hiking

• Walking Fast & Vulnerability (73:34–74:41):
  • Mike and George try to walk fast to minimize “liminal space,” i.e., defensiveness.
  • Quote [74:10, George]: “I'm vulnerable when I'm between locations… I want to minimize the liminal space in between.”
• Hiking as Alien (74:16–78:43):
  • All discuss their awkward relationship with hiking. For Mike, unless a hike has a destination or clear purpose (e.g., a store or hot spring), the process is empty.
  • Attempts to enjoy the “moon, the trees, the nature” feel forced—creating a sense of deficiency.
  • George theorizes that for some, hiking is a form of escape from hypercapitalist society, but for him, it only emphasizes alienation.
  • Sam offers hiking narratives of challenge (“slippery rocks”), and the group debates whether appreciation can be visual or more embodied/felt.

12. Signals, Crushes, and the Xena Test

• Celebrity Crushes As Tell (50:03–54:31):
  • The trope of straight men (and women) citing Ryan Reynolds as a safe, bland, non-revealing celebrity crush is dissected.
    • “Ryan Reynolds reveals nothing about you” vs. the riskier, self-exposing choice of someone like Adam Driver or Timothée Chalamet.
    • Quote [50:38, Sam]: “If you find Ryan Reynolds hot, you’re not revealing anything about yourself.”
  • Mike’s “Xena test” — asking straight men if they find Xena hot — is a litmus test for “expansiveness of vision.”

13. Final Reflections: Being Seen, The Grammys, and Style

• Pre-Grammy Fashion Jitters (80:07–81:32):
  • Mike expresses anxiety and indecision over what to wear: to get a stylist, or just do it himself? Fears accidentally walking the red carpet in normal clothes.
  • Considers doing his signature arched “album cover” pose in Getty photos.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On the underlying emotions of the era:

  “Being mad about being scared is kind of the power bottom of feelings.”
  — George (09:02)

• On straight men & celebrity crushes:

  “Ryan Reynolds reveals nothing about you.”
  — Sam (50:38)

• On car obsession:

  “It's being proud of your adjacency to power, rather than the power you yourself have.”
  — George (66:19)

• On having a big butt as a straight man:

  “It's just a poop area. ... Since it hasn't experienced anything and doesn't do anything, it has no-- like, charisma, and it’s just a poop area.”
  — Perfume Genius (71:59)

• On hiking:

  “I don’t want to be present for a second because then I will realize that all the rest of the seconds of my life I’m not supposed to feel like I fucked up.”
  — Perfume Genius (76:10)

• On the power of a silly stage name:

  “Cat Power is an insane name to call yourself, but it just doesn’t matter if you’re powerful enough to embody it.”
  — George (61:02)

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Timestamps for Important Segments

• Host + Guest Banter/Kinetic Beginning: 04:13–13:08
• Fuck, Marry, Kill—Feelings Edition: 09:40–12:01
• On Banter & Musician Persona: 13:40–15:41
• On Combining Humor and Seriousness in Art: 17:03–18:48
• Audience Energy, Social Media, and Demographics: 14:38–15:41
• Grammys, “Good” and “Bad” Artists: 25:51–28:44
• Straight Shooters Segment (Rapid-Fire Preferences): 29:37–32:00
• On Stage Names and their Evolution: 58:33–62:25
• “Going Really Fast” / Car Culture Topic Proper: 65:52–73:34
• On Hiking, Walking Fast, Nature: 73:34–78:43
• Celebrity Crushes Discussion: 50:03–54:50
• Final Reflections/Grammy Dress Jitters: 80:07–81:32
• Shout-Outs Segment: 88:17–91:45

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Tone, Style & Flow

The tone is hyper-articulate, ironic, and deeply self-aware, with the comedic hosts and Perfume Genius dancing between earnest reflection and absurdity, referencing their own insecurities and social observations at every step. Mike’s blend of self-effacing humor and insight fit the hosts’ rhythm perfectly, making for rapid-fire, densely packed exchanges.

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Final Segment: Shout-Outs (88:17–91:45)

Each participant shouts out something whimsy-laden—Sam gives a shout-out to the skunk near his home (“Of course, you’re adorable, but of course you could spray me”), George to Swiffer’s exemplary uselessness (“the dream is to create a product everyone uses that does nothing”), and Perfume Genius to Fiji Water for its “milky mouthfeel.”

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Conclusion & Takeaways

This episode is a hilarious, sharp, and oddly touching exploration of the anxieties and affectations of “straight culture,” filtered through the cackling lens of queer comedians and a singularly self-aware musician. Whether musing on the gender politics of hair, the moral emptiness of racing culture, or the precise pitch of bottled water, the trio brings a blend of irreverent fun and cultural observation suited for curious listeners who crave both insight and laughs.

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Transcript

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[Sam Tagliffe]

Podcast actually doesn't start now. I just got your ass. Hey, it's Sam with some show announcements. First of all, we're doing a studio lab live show on March 13 in

[Becca Ramos]

New York City at the Bell House.

[Sam Tagliffe]

We are so excited to be back in, I'll say it, our home. It's going to be huge. And so far we can announce that Joe Firestone will be a guest, so it is a must see. Then I Sam, I'm doing an hour in New York City on March 18th at Union hall, which will be to die for. And then I'm doing my hour three times in LA on March 9, March 24 and April 1. So please come out so that I don't look a damn fool. X.O.X.O. enjoy the EP. Bye. Oh, we're gonna do a little intro. It's gonna be so short, it'll be

[George Severis]

awkward, you won't be able to even notice it.

[Sam Tagliffe]

In fact, it's already started. Podcast starts now. Hello all and welcome to Stradiolab.

[George Severis]

Hello.

[Sam Tagliffe]

We are coming off of an amazing weekend in San Francisco, of course.

[George Severis]

Should we talk about.

[Sam Tagliffe]

We can talk about it a little.

[George Severis]

We need to talk about very quickly because I really want to bring in our guests. We need to talk about how the trend of everyone being angry and this is not about politics.

[Sam Tagliffe]

Yes, but it is about politics. Yeah, like I think I know what you mean. Like everyone's literally hanging on by a thread. But it is because on a day to day level, they're just like consuming the most horrific news of all time.

[George Severis]

Correct? I what we're talking around is at our San Francisco show. We had two shows in San Francisco. One was like amazing. Literally. This is my chosen family, my community, of course, can't wait to all grow old together in the big co op. But the second one, which was generally enjoyable and I had a very nice time. And there were a lot of people there that were clearly there to have fun. There were literally fights breaking out in

[Sam Tagliffe]

the audience among audience members with differing views.

[George Severis]

There was a fight broke out between two people about AI because someone said that he uses AI to optimize his life. And she was like, you shouldn't do that or whatever. Then someone yelled out something like. Like genuinely, like, ableist.

[Sam Tagliffe]

Yes, yes.

[George Severis]

There was some joke about the word special. And then someone's like, it's like special ed. And we were all like, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. It's not that kind of show. Then there was a stray couple. I told you this. There was a straight couple where the man really didn't want to be there. And he clearly had been dragged by his girlfriend or wife. And he did this thing where to fuck with her. He would laugh at non funny parts, like, at pauses, like, at parts that were not meant to be funny, to basically show how unfunny he found the show. And then she would be like, stop doing that. Like, you're embarrassing us. Stop doing it. And he kept doing it to, like, fuck with her. Now, keep in mind, a couple has to go home and just sleep in the same bed that night.

[Sam Tagliffe]

That's gonna be rough. That's gonna be rough.

[George Severis]

And that's just off the top of my head.

[Sam Tagliffe]

I mean. And then when we put up a photo of Sam Altman on the screen, we think we're making a joke. This is San Francisco. You guys invented him. We don't know this guy. Yeah, Everyone starts booing, and I'm like, you guys are all his employees as far as I'm concerned.

[George Severis]

They had the syndrome of mentioning something is the same as endorsing it.

[Sam Tagliffe]

Yeah, yeah, they had that syndrome.

[Perfume Genius (Mike Hadreas)]

Bad.

[George Severis]

I said something. I said something about this makes it sound like we're blaming the audience. And we're not.

[Sam Tagliffe]

We're not.

[George Severis]

I'm outside my own body. Like, hearing two comedians being like they were the woke crowd in San Francisco was fucking weird.

[Sam Tagliffe]

That's not what we're saying.

[George Severis]

That's not what we're saying. And by the way, we're more left wing than anyone, so there's no way to be woke at our show. But I said something about Bill Cosby. It was not some tasteless joke. I brought him up as an example of someone who had been canceled.

[Sam Tagliffe]

The way this joke was full of taste.

[George Severis]

Completely full of taste.

[Sam Tagliffe]

Completely chic.

[George Severis]

It could have been on the runways in Milan.

[Sam Tagliffe]

It was very high fashion, this film.

[George Severis]

It was Very high fashion. It was very much like Margiela Spring, summer 92.

[Sam Tagliffe]

I remember.

[George Severis]

Oh, my God, that was such a good show. And so I said, you know, like, Bill Cosby. And then the whole audience, like, oh. As though I was endorsing. Politically endorsing Bill. As though I was saying, you guys, we have to get this country back on track, and the only person that can help is Bill Cosby. So please vote in 2026.

[Sam Tagliffe]

No, they got really, really upset. I will say it felt like everyone was about to blow up.

[George Severis]

Well, I felt like if we had been there for like five more minutes, a physical fight would have broken out.

[Sam Tagliffe]

Well, and it was also late, so people were getting drunk.

[George Severis]

And I think I actually had that realization then forgot. I had that realization. I had that realization and it called. I was like, oh, right, everyone's blackout drunk.

[Sam Tagliffe]

Yeah.

[George Severis]

And we were at a comedy club and there are 300 people in a comedy club and in fact, they have

[Sam Tagliffe]

to get two more drinks while they're there.

[George Severis]

By law.

[Sam Tagliffe]

By law.

[George Severis]

They're showing up, they're drunk, and they're saying there's a two drink minimum. They're blackout.

[Sam Tagliffe]

They're blackout. So they were being cranky. Whatever.

[George Severis]

Let's bring in our guests.

[Sam Tagliffe]

So that was one of the most embarrassing interests of all time, which is amazing, to bring in this amazing guest,

[George Severis]

to also bring in someone who's like, a really good laugh. And I'm only now realizing how humiliating.

[Becca Ramos]

Of course.

[Sam Tagliffe]

Well, you have to start at the bottom every single time we do this. So please welcome to the podcast Perfume Genius. So.

[George Severis]

And by the way, I'm immediately cutting you off.

[Sam Tagliffe]

So how's it going? Pretty much it's good. Yeah.

[Perfume Genius (Mike Hadreas)]

Yeah, I'm feeling good.

[Sam Tagliffe]

Sort of, you know, just to let the people in a bit. You did mention that you were actually really hungry and that was. How is that struggle going?

[Perfume Genius (Mike Hadreas)]

I can't tell if I'm like, hungry or scared. Not of this, but just in general.

[Sam Tagliffe]

Yeah.

[Perfume Genius (Mike Hadreas)]

Because you were talking about being angry. I think I'm just sort of. And we're scared all the time.

[George Severis]

Interesting, Interesting.

[Sam Tagliffe]

That's a nice feeling. Sort of.

[Perfume Genius (Mike Hadreas)]

I'm mad about being scared.

[Sam Tagliffe]

I guess that's true.

[Perfume Genius (Mike Hadreas)]

Okay.

[George Severis]

Being mad about being scared is kind of the power bottom of feelings. Because you are feeling a submissive feeling fear, but then you're kind of like.

[Perfume Genius (Mike Hadreas)]

But using it.

[Sam Tagliffe]

Whereas being scared about being mad is very like, angry top. Because you're like, what have I done?

[George Severis]

Right.

[Public Investing Sponsor]

Exactly.

[Sam Tagliffe]

You just know that you're going to lose Control.

[George Severis]

Eventually, I find that it's interesting seeing people en masse move from sad to angry to scared. And it's all about choreographing it such that all of us feel the same thing. How do you get everyone to feel angry at the same time?

[Sam Tagliffe]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[George Severis]

You know what I mean?

[Sam Tagliffe]

I think they're finding a way.

[George Severis]

Fuck, marry, kill, sad, angry, or scared. Me.

[Perfume Genius (Mike Hadreas)]

Yeah. To me.

[Sam Tagliffe]

Yeah.

[Perfume Genius (Mike Hadreas)]

Fuck, Mary. Kill, sad, angry, or scared? I guess mad.

[George Severis]

Right?

[Perfume Genius (Mike Hadreas)]

Right. I think it's going to be very. Everybody's going to share the same thing. Mary, what is. What's left? Scared and scared and sad.

[George Severis]

You would want to. You know, I sort of would.

[Sam Tagliffe]

Sad.

[George Severis]

But then I don't want to marry scared.

[Sam Tagliffe]

I could marry scared or.

[George Severis]

You think so?

[Perfume Genius (Mike Hadreas)]

Yeah, scared.

[Sam Tagliffe]

Scared is like.

[Perfume Genius (Mike Hadreas)]

Scared.

[Sam Tagliffe]

Scared you can kind of work with. Like, you can be like, come on,

[Perfume Genius (Mike Hadreas)]

it's gonna be okay.

[Sam Tagliffe]

It's gonna be okay.

[George Severis]

Yeah. Like, I know you're scared unless you're on guard. There's something less passive about.

[Sam Tagliffe]

Well, there's something less passive almost as intense. In touch with your feelings.

[George Severis]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Sam Tagliffe]

Because you're like, I want to do this, but I'm scared. And you're like.

[George Severis]

It's also the most realistic. It's like, yeah, no, you could be. Could be over.

[Perfume Genius (Mike Hadreas)]

Are people. If they're just. Are they just sad and they're not scared or mad ever?

[Sam Tagliffe]

No, they're just sad.

[Perfume Genius (Mike Hadreas)]

There are people I would marry just sad.

[Sam Tagliffe]

Really?

[George Severis]

Yeah.

[Sam Tagliffe]

Wow.

[Perfume Genius (Mike Hadreas)]

I think I would make Kale scared.

[George Severis]

Kale's scared. And every morning you're like, how's it going? Like, still sad.

[Perfume Genius (Mike Hadreas)]

Sad. Okay.

[Sam Tagliffe]

Okay. Well, I'm gonna go out.

[Perfume Genius (Mike Hadreas)]

Do you get. From the store, just say, oh, I'm sorry.

[George Severis]

We do this other game on this podcast where instead of Fuck, Marry, kill, you have to assign each thing to a different heim. S. You think? Scared, sad, angry. Which one is S? Which one is Danielle and which one is Alana?

[Perfume Genius (Mike Hadreas)]

Alana is the. She had the gun in the movie.

[George Severis]

Yeah, she's the Paul Thomas Anderson muse. Right?

[Perfume Genius (Mike Hadreas)]

She's mad, she's angry. The tall one, Estee. She's not scared or sad, though, is she? But I guess for now.

[George Severis]

For now, she's. I think she's scared.

[Perfume Genius (Mike Hadreas)]

Scared.

[George Severis]

Yeah.

[Sam Tagliffe]

I think there's fear there.

[George Severis]

I think there's fear. It's. She is the most fear based of the three of them. And then I think.

[Sam Tagliffe]

So that would be.

[Perfume Genius (Mike Hadreas)]

Danielle's the main one, right? She's like the. In the middle.

[Sam Tagliffe]

Yeah, she's in the middle.

[George Severis]

She's sad because she's like. She's in charge. She's looking at the spreadsheet. She's like, the numbers are not adding up, y'.

[Perfume Genius (Mike Hadreas)]

All.

[George Severis]

We gotta send more to sell more tickets in Seattle.

[Sam Tagliffe]

Yeah.

[Perfume Genius (Mike Hadreas)]

They could have been my straight topic. Honestly.

[George Severis]

Time. Well, say more.

[Sam Tagliffe]

Yeah, please.

[Perfume Genius (Mike Hadreas)]

I can't.

[George Severis]

Right? I was like. I'm like, can you even say as much as you've already said?

[Sam Tagliffe]

Well, this is.

[Becca Ramos]

What.

[Perfume Genius (Mike Hadreas)]

Can you edit thank you.

[George Severis]

Or like, have like. No, to be clear, we both are. We both love him. They just have become sort of an inside joke in the pod.

[Sam Tagliffe]

Well, they're very.

[Perfume Genius (Mike Hadreas)]

Jaime, they're very.

[George Severis]

They're like, exactly who Heim would be.

[Sam Tagliffe]

So they're your co workers.

[George Severis]

Do you guys see each other?

[Sam Tagliffe]

Like music?

[Perfume Genius (Mike Hadreas)]

I actually have never seen them in Interesting. Real world.

[Sam Tagliffe]

You work on different floors.

[Perfume Genius (Mike Hadreas)]

I guess so.

[Sam Tagliffe]

That is interesting.

[Perfume Genius (Mike Hadreas)]

I've never seen them.

[Becca Ramos]

Never once.

[Perfume Genius (Mike Hadreas)]

Never seen Heim. Never seen Heim any of them.

[Sam Tagliffe]

That is so shocking.

[George Severis]

That is so shocking because, like, I've

[Perfume Genius (Mike Hadreas)]

heard about them being seen, but I've never seen them myself.

[George Severis]

They are constantly being seen. They're kind of. One of their main jobs is being spotted at restaurants by people we know.

[Perfume Genius (Mike Hadreas)]

Yeah. Yeah, I like that she had the gun.

[George Severis]

Oh, it was amazing.

[Perfume Genius (Mike Hadreas)]

And the way the Bob. Yeah, that was cool.

[Sam Tagliffe]

That was fun.

[Perfume Genius (Mike Hadreas)]

I like that.

[Sam Tagliffe]

No, that was good. That was a really good album.

[Perfume Genius (Mike Hadreas)]

Yeah.

[George Severis]

Her being in the movie is a really good album.

[Sam Tagliffe]

I love that song.

[George Severis]

Well, our other connection to them is that Esti, we can stop talking about this. You know, Esti, I think Fashions herself a stand up comedian and part of. So she's our worker. You know, I've seen them live.

[Perfume Genius (Mike Hadreas)]

She's the one for me, though, I think.

[George Severis]

Well, she's definitely the silly one, the tall one. It's complicated because she'll tell some story that's like, I texted someone and then I took a nap. And then I woke up and realized it had autocorrected to anal. And like. And then she's like. And then that'll transition into her.

[Perfume Genius (Mike Hadreas)]

Her big song.

[George Severis]

I mean, you're laughing.

[Sam Tagliffe]

No, you're laughing. I mean, it must be an amazing joke. It's always banter. What's your relationship with banter actually like on stage? Yeah. Are you bantering?

[Perfume Genius (Mike Hadreas)]

Oh, God.

[Sam Tagliffe]

You don't.

[Perfume Genius (Mike Hadreas)]

Really, really bad at it. Really, really, really bad. Yeah. And Alan, my boyfriend's always trying to get me to plan it, which doesn't feel right. But I probably Should. I'm so bad at it.

[Sam Tagliffe]

What's, like, the worst experience bantering you've ever had?

[Perfume Genius (Mike Hadreas)]

I just usually mumble or. And then I kind of get off on, like, the embarrassment of it and how bad it is, and then I kind of keep doing it eventually. Talk about, like, shit and poop.

[Sam Tagliffe]

Humiliation.

[George Severis]

Poop.

[Perfume Genius (Mike Hadreas)]

Huh?

[George Severis]

People love shit and poop.

[Perfume Genius (Mike Hadreas)]

They do. But then, like, I do, like, a really intense ballad about, like, domestic abuse. Right, right, right, right, right. And I can phase into that very quickly. I can go back and forth, but maybe if I'm, like, curating an arc to the show, like, it shouldn't be so speaking.

[George Severis]

So what percentage of your audience would you say are like, lol ers and are there and they have a sense of humor. They know you have a sense of humor, and they're there to sort of, like, laugh it up?

[Perfume Genius (Mike Hadreas)]

I have no idea. Like, I can't get a, like, accurate read on, like, a demographic or, like, an LOL level because I think you hit both polls.

[George Severis]

Because it's either. You hit both polls. It's either. I think you are very lol. And then the music is also very occasionally very, very serious.

[Perfume Genius (Mike Hadreas)]

Serious.

[George Severis]

Yeah.

[Perfume Genius (Mike Hadreas)]

I'm trying to make them go together more, but in the beginning, I thought it had to be very separate, and it was also very satisfying to do something very serious.

[Sam Tagliffe]

Yeah.

[Perfume Genius (Mike Hadreas)]

You know what I mean? It made me feel really good.

[Sam Tagliffe]

Yeah.

[Perfume Genius (Mike Hadreas)]

But I don't know, because I was tweeting about. Tweeting about rat arthritis for, like, two full years.

[Sam Tagliffe]

Yeah.

[Perfume Genius (Mike Hadreas)]

And someone yelled it out at a show, and it was not like, there weren't, like, six other people that were like. Yeah, I remember that. Yeah. It's just like she was on her own.

[Sam Tagliffe]

You were sort of.

[Perfume Genius (Mike Hadreas)]

I tried to support her, but that was one of the first, like, gauges of that. Like, that made me think about. I don't think I could tell, but I don't know. We'll see. How are you trying to take.

[George Severis]

How are you combining? You're. You're saying it used to. They used to be separate, and now you're trying to.

[Sam Tagliffe]

Yeah. I feel like even the album. Coming soon. Soon.

[Perfume Genius (Mike Hadreas)]

I don't know. Just like, not. Not feeling like they can't exist together.

[George Severis]

I mean, even. I would say even just, like, the latest album, there's like, cheekiness.

[Perfume Genius (Mike Hadreas)]

Cheeky.

[George Severis]

There's cheekiness that maybe isn't in. Although, I don't know. Put your back into it.

[Perfume Genius (Mike Hadreas)]

It's more like, like, cheeky. Like, outwardly cheeky, but, like.

[George Severis]

Okay. The video where. What's the video where? The Big Bear porn stars.

[Sam Tagliffe]

Hood.

[Perfume Genius (Mike Hadreas)]

Rpad Hood. Yeah, yeah.

[George Severis]

Hood. Like that is combining LOL and.

[Perfume Genius (Mike Hadreas)]

That's true. Yeah, that's true. The song isn't, though.

[George Severis]

Yeah, but don't you think having a song that's so serious and then a video that's so silly. Yeah, it's very Darren Aronofsky's Mother.

[Becca Ramos]

Mother.

[Perfume Genius (Mike Hadreas)]

I think I need to rewatch that. Yeah, that's with the baby. The Castro baby. In a bad way. Right

[Sam Tagliffe]

before, like, were you, like, serious in your day to day life before music?

[George Severis]

What.

[Sam Tagliffe]

Were you a serious person?

[Perfume Genius (Mike Hadreas)]

No, I don't think I. I don't really know.

[Sam Tagliffe]

Were friends, like, not.

[Becca Ramos]

Huh.

[Perfume Genius (Mike Hadreas)]

Were they, like, surprised when you were serious inside? I was. I can be serious inside. Outside, I don't think. I think I stopped at like 5 or 6 being serious too much.

[George Severis]

Yeah. You were like, juggling, kind of.

[Perfume Genius (Mike Hadreas)]

It was just like. I don't. I don't know. It's too hard and not fun. It's not fun to be serious outwardly all the time. No.

[George Severis]

You know, it's not fun, but it is actually easier, I think.

[Sam Tagliffe]

So what's your relationship with Sirius George?

[George Severis]

I think that. I think I get off on being like, well, my default is silly. So then when I'm serious, it has more gravitas because I'm basically like, you know, Robin Williams being interviewed and being like, I dealt with a lot of trauma.

[Sam Tagliffe]

Sure.

[George Severis]

And I'm addicted to drugs.

[Sam Tagliffe]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[George Severis]

And there's something. It actually gives it more weight that I'm like, deciding to be serious.

[Sam Tagliffe]

So you're like Jon Stewart Ing, where you're like, tearing up and it's like a bigger deal.

[George Severis]

Completely.

[Sam Tagliffe]

You're Jon Stewart. This is crazy.

[George Severis]

And I fundamentally don't trust people who are constantly serious and constantly making some, like, emotional point. I mean, the worst is like, poets.

[Sam Tagliffe]

Well, and this brings in college. I was like. I was so serious.

[George Severis]

I was like.

[Sam Tagliffe]

I mean, I was still. I liked comedy, of course, but I was like, really trying to be moody. And I was like, God, like to be in a dusty library, like, reading a book of poetry. And then I tried to write poetry and people would be. For class and people would be like, this is really funny. And I was like, that's actually the most serious thing ever written.

[Perfume Genius (Mike Hadreas)]

Yeah.

[Sam Tagliffe]

Like, I'm actually contemplating.

[Perfume Genius (Mike Hadreas)]

I thought things couldn't exist at the same time because people wouldn't be able to let it.

[Sam Tagliffe]

Yeah.

[Perfume Genius (Mike Hadreas)]

You know what I mean?

[Sam Tagliffe]

Have you ever written Anything really serious. And then everyone's like, hahaha. I love that. I love that joke. Probably.

[Perfume Genius (Mike Hadreas)]

Probably.

[George Severis]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, Pretty much, yeah.

[Sam Tagliffe]

So if you were going to write banter, pre write, sort of, what topics would you like to explore? Dating, New York City, that type of thing.

[Perfume Genius (Mike Hadreas)]

I mean, I had. I do have some like things that I go back to and they'll have like a trend for the tour, but they're like nonsense because we could change it up. Whenever I would sit on a chair, I was gonna say. I said I was gonna take a little American seat.

[George Severis]

Like a bit that's really good.

[Perfume Genius (Mike Hadreas)]

But I guess. But it's sort of just like, I don't know.

[George Severis]

And then I'm gonna take an American seat is really good.

[Perfume Genius (Mike Hadreas)]

That's a little Amazing.

[George Severis]

Classic old comedy.

[Sam Tagliffe]

That's classical.

[George Severis]

Yeah.

[Sam Tagliffe]

Would you do it when you were abroad?

[Perfume Genius (Mike Hadreas)]

I would, I think. Yeah. I wanted to do. I had this whole like marriages between a man and a woman thing that I was gonna do at the show.

[George Severis]

Yeah. Okay. So now we're fully into stand up kind of.

[Sam Tagliffe]

Yeah, yeah.

[Perfume Genius (Mike Hadreas)]

But I would just do it. A sound check just for the band. Just for us.

[George Severis]

What?

[Sam Tagliffe]

How did that bit go?

[Perfume Genius (Mike Hadreas)]

I didn't really follow it through. It's kind of just that. Just saying that.

[George Severis]

And then I feel like often because your boyfriend Alan is on stage with you and I feel like sometimes you guys will do a couples act where it's. Or even if it's like you looking back at him and then him looking at you and maybe you'll have like a sort of like moment where one of you laughs or something.

[Perfume Genius (Mike Hadreas)]

Well, he's much more serious than me on stage. Like really? Yeah. And so I kind of rebel against him by being. I kind of try to decide what he doesn't want me to do through looking or just knowing him for so long and then do that.

[George Severis]

But he's also telling you offstage you have to do more banter. So he's setting you up for failure. He's saying do more banter. And then he's getting on stage and is like fully silent.

[Perfume Genius (Mike Hadreas)]

Yeah. But he is really good at it. Like whenever we have to do the front facing camera things, I can't. It takes me eight hours to do something that looks like I have a gun to my head. And it's supposed to be for doordash. Do you know what I mean?

[George Severis]

And I love your doordash ads.

[Perfume Genius (Mike Hadreas)]

It was worse serving.dead realness do. They were gonna pay me to just do like sign up For Doordash. And you can get a free ticket to my show potentially. And I tried for, like, nine hours to do it. I couldn't do it. And then I finally made one and they said that it sounded like I had a gun to my head and that my clothes were dirty. That was another thing they said.

[Sam Tagliffe]

Wow.

[Perfume Genius (Mike Hadreas)]

Well, it was, like, intentionally dirty.

[George Severis]

Yeah.

[Perfume Genius (Mike Hadreas)]

I mean, but I couldn't do it. So good at it. You put the camera on. He's just, like, very sensual, like, strong voice by Doordash. Yeah. In a good way. So I think if he was in, like, front facing like me, he would be really good at the banter. And he's been playing shows on his own, like solo piano shows and fully stories. Do you know what I mean?

[George Severis]

So he is doing stories, but he's still serious. It's not like he's doing stand up.

[Perfume Genius (Mike Hadreas)]

He has a low voice.

[George Severis]

That can help.

[Sam Tagliffe]

That helps a lot. Now we're getting to the point.

[Perfume Genius (Mike Hadreas)]

You know what I mean?

[Sam Tagliffe]

Yeah, no, that helps a lot.

[George Severis]

Oh, my God. The Doordash team would love him.

[Perfume Genius (Mike Hadreas)]

God.

[Sam Tagliffe]

I mean, his clothes would be just so clean. I can already tell.

[George Severis]

Yeah, we want deep voice, clean clothes, straight to camera, sensual.

[Sam Tagliffe]

That sounds amazing. Well, maybe what you should do is just sort of do this now.

[Perfume Genius (Mike Hadreas)]

Have him do it.

[Sam Tagliffe]

He can talk in the background or

[Perfume Genius (Mike Hadreas)]

do the arm thing where he does my arms. He's behind me.

[George Severis]

You should do that.

[Perfume Genius (Mike Hadreas)]

That's. We do that at the show, actually. So unserious. If he was my arms the whole time.

[George Severis]

But then you're doing, like, your most serious songs about, like, abuse and violence.

[Sam Tagliffe]

That's a good idea.

[George Severis]

And you're fully doing cool, actually.

[Sam Tagliffe]

That's cool.

[Perfume Genius (Mike Hadreas)]

I'm into that.

[George Severis]

You should bring in a ventriloquist

[Sam Tagliffe]

and you should have, like, a morning radio soundboard with, like, exclusively different fart noises.

[Perfume Genius (Mike Hadreas)]

Yeah, I thought about that.

[George Severis]

Have you?

[Perfume Genius (Mike Hadreas)]

I actually have. Yeah.

[George Severis]

For specifically with fart noises or something that's like.

[Perfume Genius (Mike Hadreas)]

Oh, yeah, it's more. More. It's hard, like, if the song is very serious, like. Like burping or something. Yeah. Like, something would just be so bad to do.

[Sam Tagliffe]

Yeah.

[Perfume Genius (Mike Hadreas)]

You know what I mean? And it would be so satisfying at the same time.

[Sam Tagliffe]

Yeah.

[Perfume Genius (Mike Hadreas)]

Just because I like when things just, like, are something and then like. Well, it's just something else. I like that.

[Sam Tagliffe]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[George Severis]

It can be like the sound from the very beginning of Oops I Did It Again, like, just that, like, played whenever you want the audience to kind of chill out. It's like Sorry, I'm bumming everyone out, but here's Brittany.

[Sam Tagliffe]

Yeah, no, that's a really good idea. Do you ever, like, get a stomach ache before you go on stage?

[Perfume Genius (Mike Hadreas)]

Yeah.

[Sam Tagliffe]

What do you do about that?

[Perfume Genius (Mike Hadreas)]

I just do the show anyway.

[Sam Tagliffe]

Really?

[Perfume Genius (Mike Hadreas)]

Yeah. I don't know. I'm really good at that. Like, I'm really freaked out, I'm sick, I'm hungry. Like, I don't want to do it. And then the second, like, I get on stage, I just do it. Now, it didn't start out like that, but I've been doing it for so long that. And I actually like doing it now, which I forget. I forget that I like doing things most of the time until I'm actually doing them.

[George Severis]

We. I feel that every show. Yeah. I'm like, oh, right. This was literally my dream that I gave everything up for.

[Perfume Genius (Mike Hadreas)]

Yeah.

[George Severis]

I do think musicians often. I'm not saying it's easier to lock in, but it's just because it's much more like you're escapist and you're occupying a character. It's slightly easier to forget that there's something else in your mind. Whereas with stand up, you have to go up and chat with people.

[Sam Tagliffe]

Well, I've always wondered, because obviously you're not like, getting laughs like, you're doing music, but I'm like, do you ever. Are you ever like, damn, I fucking bombed that one? Or are you, like, really?

[Perfume Genius (Mike Hadreas)]

Well, it's.

[George Severis]

Yeah, you can feel the energy.

[Sam Tagliffe]

You can feel bomb for music, but

[Perfume Genius (Mike Hadreas)]

I don't know if you're right. Like, we'll leave stage and the drummer will think it's the best show of the tour. And I think it's the absolute worst one because nobody really has a good read on, like, the energy.

[Sam Tagliffe]

You know what I mean?

[Perfume Genius (Mike Hadreas)]

I'll feel like there's a sparkle in the air and, like. You know what I mean? But I think I was just, like, horny or, like, really into it because. And then I just assume everyone has ASMR of that across the board, but I don't know if that's true.

[Sam Tagliffe]

Interesting.

[Perfume Genius (Mike Hadreas)]

But I guess LAUGHTER AND APPLAUSE but sometimes people are shy.

[Sam Tagliffe]

Sometimes people are shy.

[Perfume Genius (Mike Hadreas)]

They don't clap. They don't laugh, even though they think it's funny.

[George Severis]

Well, and then sometimes an applause can be overcompensating. Like, often I will go to a show or do a show or something and it's not going super well, but then people will clap extra hard to be like, you tried.

[Perfume Genius (Mike Hadreas)]

Yeah.

[George Severis]

Which is, of course, one of the Most the biggest humiliations.

[Sam Tagliffe]

Yeah. That is humiliating. Being nominated for a Grammy for your cover art.

[Perfume Genius (Mike Hadreas)]

Yeah.

[Sam Tagliffe]

Are you like. So you just liked me for my

[Perfume Genius (Mike Hadreas)]

body or my waist? Yeah. And it happens on Sunday. The Grammys?

[Sam Tagliffe]

Yeah.

[Perfume Genius (Mike Hadreas)]

I've never been before and I'm going.

[Sam Tagliffe]

Are you gonna meet all of your co workers? Like the Heims?

[Perfume Genius (Mike Hadreas)]

I didn't even think about that. When does this come out?

[George Severis]

After that.

[Sam Tagliffe]

After that.

[Perfume Genius (Mike Hadreas)]

After I meet them?

[George Severis]

Yeah. We can delete all the Heim content after you meet them. Is there anyone you have beef with that you wouldn't want to run into at the Grammys?

[Perfume Genius (Mike Hadreas)]

Not like. Like public beef?

[George Severis]

Yeah.

[Sam Tagliffe]

Yeah. Or private. You can make it public now.

[Perfume Genius (Mike Hadreas)]

I've always wanted to, like, fight another.

[Sam Tagliffe]

I know you would be good at that.

[Perfume Genius (Mike Hadreas)]

Yeah. But be in a nice way. More for fun.

[Sam Tagliffe]

Yeah.

[Perfume Genius (Mike Hadreas)]

For charity. For charity, you know. But do you have a beef with anyone? No.

[George Severis]

No.

[Sam Tagliffe]

God.

[Perfume Genius (Mike Hadreas)]

Sorry.

[George Severis]

Perfect Andre Hilbert.

[Sam Tagliffe]

Perfect angel.

[Perfume Genius (Mike Hadreas)]

I probably do. I just can't think of it on the spot.

[Sam Tagliffe]

No, of course you'll. You'll see red when you're at the Grammys.

[Perfume Genius (Mike Hadreas)]

There's people I don't like.

[Sam Tagliffe]

Oh.

[Perfume Genius (Mike Hadreas)]

Their music.

[George Severis]

Oh, sure.

[Sam Tagliffe]

Like who?

[Perfume Genius (Mike Hadreas)]

Like, we can do it.

[George Severis]

No, no, no.

[Sam Tagliffe]

We don't have.

[George Severis]

No, we're putting you in a.

[Sam Tagliffe]

No, we're not supposed to do that.

[George Severis]

We're not supposed to do that. We know we're not supposed to, but we also like.

[Sam Tagliffe]

That's why we want to.

[George Severis]

Yeah.

[Perfume Genius (Mike Hadreas)]

I loved some people's music so much too. That was the thing.

[Sam Tagliffe]

Okay. What do you say one person you love and one person you hate and then it's even? Yeah.

[George Severis]

And then we'll move on. And then it'll be positive. Vibes only.

[Sam Tagliffe]

Posi vibes only.

[Perfume Genius (Mike Hadreas)]

I love cat power.

[Sam Tagliffe]

Okay.

[George Severis]

Yeah.

[Perfume Genius (Mike Hadreas)]

I don't care for. Wait. I'm trying to think of one that it won't, like, won't hurt me or them.

[Sam Tagliffe]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Perfume Genius (Mike Hadreas)]

Because they won't. I don't like. All the people that like. I don't like. They're just, like, nice little people. I don't want to say anything bad about them.

[George Severis]

No, no, no, no. That was our fault. That was our fault.

[Perfume Genius (Mike Hadreas)]

Who's.

[George Severis]

Who?

[Perfume Genius (Mike Hadreas)]

Wait. Name some people and I'll see if I like them or not.

[Sam Tagliffe]

Musicians.

[Perfume Genius (Mike Hadreas)]

Because I can't even think Geese.

[Sam Tagliffe]

Cameron Winter.

[Perfume Genius (Mike Hadreas)]

I like Cameron Winter.

[Sam Tagliffe]

Zara Larson.

[Perfume Genius (Mike Hadreas)]

Don't really know about her very much. Okay.

[George Severis]

You gotta get into that.

[Perfume Genius (Mike Hadreas)]

I like Pink Panthers. Yeah. I love her.

[George Severis]

She requested to do the podcast. No video. What do you have to say no video.

[Perfume Genius (Mike Hadreas)]

Yeah, that's cool.

[George Severis]

Yeah, I'm kind of like, now you're shy.

[Perfume Genius (Mike Hadreas)]

Yeah, like, she's so good at video.

[George Severis]

I know.

[Perfume Genius (Mike Hadreas)]

She's like, I'm gonna be a little like fan.

[George Severis]

I'm like, maybe she just like, maybe she wants to be like off camera. Being like.

[Perfume Genius (Mike Hadreas)]

Or not have to worry about it, I guess.

[Sam Tagliffe]

Yeah, well, she. It was, there were a lot of stipulations. It was like remote off camera.

[George Severis]

Yeah.

[Sam Tagliffe]

Like I'm sort of like, I'm like,

[George Severis]

are you gonna get build an AI to have your voice and you just don't want us to know and it's not even gonna be you and it's just us saying something and you being like, that's hilarious.

[Sam Tagliffe]

I love doordash. That would be awesome.

[Perfume Genius (Mike Hadreas)]

She would be really good at it.

[Sam Tagliffe]

Oh my God, the cleanest clothes. I'm trying like, I really want to

[George Severis]

get you to say no, no, no.

[Sam Tagliffe]

I have to stop. I have to stop.

[George Severis]

We have to stop.

[Sam Tagliffe]

We have to stop. But it's so hard.

[Perfume Genius (Mike Hadreas)]

I'll keep Audrey. I want to work in the background. Yeah, I like her.

[George Severis]

Yeah. We've recently done a 180 on her.

[Sam Tagliffe]

We love her.

[George Severis]

We didn't understand her initially and then we were like, now we get what you're doing.

[Perfume Genius (Mike Hadreas)]

I read an article about her. Did you read the article?

[George Severis]

Yes. I didn't read the article in the Times.

[Perfume Genius (Mike Hadreas)]

You think so? Yeah, read an article.

[Sam Tagliffe]

Taylor Swift.

[George Severis]

So our first segment is called Straight Shooters. And in this segment we gauge your familiarity with and complicity in straight culture by asking you a series of rapid fire questions where you have to choose one thing or another thing. Okay.

[Perfume Genius (Mike Hadreas)]

I didn't know about this.

[George Severis]

The only rule is you can't ask any follow up questions about how the game works. Otherwise we will get mad at you and make you talk shit about more musicians.

[Perfume Genius (Mike Hadreas)]

So okay. Yeah, can't no follow up questions.

[George Severis]

Correct? Correct.

[Sam Tagliffe]

Okay. Perfume.

[George Severis]

Perfume.

[Sam Tagliffe]

Red Scare or Ren Faire?

[Perfume Genius (Mike Hadreas)]

Ren Faire. This is what I like. Preferences. Uh oh.

[Sam Tagliffe]

Oh, that's a question.

[George Severis]

Oh, no. Front teeth or Yum. Roast beef.

[Perfume Genius (Mike Hadreas)]

Roast beef.

[Sam Tagliffe]

Toyota Tacoma or Williams Sonoma?

[Perfume Genius (Mike Hadreas)]

Williams Sonoma. No Tacoma.

[George Severis]

Cowering in fear or showering with a peer.

[Perfume Genius (Mike Hadreas)]

A peer I'll shower with with my friend.

[Sam Tagliffe]

William H. Macy or Wheezy F Baby?

[Perfume Genius (Mike Hadreas)]

Wheezy F baby. Wheezy F baby. I like William H. Macy too, but I want to know more about Wheezy F Baby.

[George Severis]

Joining the army or Stunning Bites? Blimey.

[Perfume Genius (Mike Hadreas)]

I want to join the army.

[Sam Tagliffe]

Okay. Fishnet stockings or cishet Mockings.

[George Severis]

Ah.

[Perfume Genius (Mike Hadreas)]

Oh.

[George Severis]

Foaming at the mouth or knowing which way's south.

[Perfume Genius (Mike Hadreas)]

Let's foam.

[George Severis]

Let's foam.

[Sam Tagliffe]

Let's foam. Wow.

[George Severis]

We rank each guest's performance on a scale of 0 to 1,000 doves. It's named after the Lady Gaga. B side, 1,000 doves. What I enjoyed about your performance is that there was commentary. It's let's foam. You know, you're not just. You're not just saying foaming.

[Perfume Genius (Mike Hadreas)]

Oh, I didn't know that. My style, it's all about style over

[George Severis]

substance on this podcast, across the board.

[Perfume Genius (Mike Hadreas)]

Okay.

[George Severis]

And so I would. I'm like, I think it's a very strong. I'm like 9:34.

[Sam Tagliffe]

I think that's an amazing number. I think that's exactly correct.

[Perfume Genius (Mike Hadreas)]

What has been a perfect 10. And what was that experience like?

[Sam Tagliffe]

Sometimes we do it out of fear.

[George Severis]

Yeah.

[Sam Tagliffe]

Sometimes when we're like, this person needs a win right now or they're gonna walk off.

[George Severis]

Yeah. Our studio, we're very starstruck by. We're so easily domed. If someone comes in and is, like, not quite respecting us, we're like, we'll do whatever it takes. We'll give you a gift. Like, we'll give you the shirt off our backs. Like, we have completely no integrity. Absolutely. One time I signed a petition to get a presidential candidate on a ballot that I didn't support because someone approached me and I didn't want to say no.

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[Perfume Genius (Mike Hadreas)]

Me and Alan get in a fight about it sometimes because I will listen to someone music and I'm like if they're nice I like them. Yeah, like I like their music if they're nice. If they're not nice. I don't like this music.

[George Severis]

You know it's funny I have the opposite thing where yeah, I get, I get this thing where I'm like everyone is so polite these days and everyone is so uninteresting that like if someone is a huge bitch or clearly volatile and insane. I'm like, finally a genuine eccentric. And then. And then I, like, want to support them as an artist. People I disagree with politically, people I think are sort of horrible people. I'm like, well, clearly that's where the art comes from, which is so toxic and, in fact, exactly the opposite of what I should be thinking. But I get very suspicious of people who are just like, normal, nice people.

[Sam Tagliffe]

I think, especially with celebs, more so than musicians and stuff. When a celeb is just always smiley and nice, I'm like, what's the point? Like, be mean to someone.

[Perfume Genius (Mike Hadreas)]

There's no. I like that.

[Sam Tagliffe]

Yeah.

[Perfume Genius (Mike Hadreas)]

I prefer that, like, celebrity style. I think it's more like guys, like, when I listen to, like, a man's music and they're like, oh, like, okay,

[George Severis]

that's a good point.

[Perfume Genius (Mike Hadreas)]

And then I'm like, if this. If he's nice, then this. I will take this as, like, earnest. I don't know. There's some love in it. Yeah, it's more to see if there's, like, love in this thing, which is.

[Sam Tagliffe]

I'm trying to think of, like, someone who. I have no idea what his personality is like, but assume nice based on music is like, MJ Linderman.

[Perfume Genius (Mike Hadreas)]

Nice.

[Sam Tagliffe]

Nice.

[Perfume Genius (Mike Hadreas)]

Yeah, for sure.

[Sam Tagliffe]

And someone.

[George Severis]

I don't want MJ Lenderman to be mean.

[Sam Tagliffe]

Someone who I mean based on music. Mac DeMarco.

[Perfume Genius (Mike Hadreas)]

Nice.

[Sam Tagliffe]

Nice. Interesting. Okay.

[Perfume Genius (Mike Hadreas)]

I think.

[Sam Tagliffe]

I guess you could.

[George Severis]

Well, I guess I do want. I do want.

[Perfume Genius (Mike Hadreas)]

But I know what you mean. Yeah.

[George Severis]

I do want men to be nice.

[Sam Tagliffe]

Ultimately, I want men to be nice, and I want women to be ransom.

[George Severis]

But here's what I'll say. Yeah, Something. Well, yeah, of course. Something like Jeremy. People not liking Jeremy Strong because he's, like, intense about method acting. I'm kind of like, well, it's working. Whatever he's doing is working. And I don't know. I know that's bad, but I'm kind of like, let him cook. How do you feel about that?

[Perfume Genius (Mike Hadreas)]

Do women method act? Like, I'm not going to eat.

[George Severis]

Well, fame.

[Sam Tagliffe]

Well, it's mostly a male thing.

[George Severis]

Kirsten Dunst recently was like, women can't method act. They have to go home and raise

[Sam Tagliffe]

their children

[Perfume Genius (Mike Hadreas)]

because it's like, I'm not gonna eat because my character. Exactly.

[George Severis]

It's obviously so stupid. But I'm also like, well, being an actor is an insane thing to be. So just go all the way and be completely insane.

[Sam Tagliffe]

Well. And Timothee Chalamet Wearing contacts to mess up his vision so that he has to wear glasses.

[Perfume Genius (Mike Hadreas)]

Did you like the movie?

[Sam Tagliffe]

I did like the movie.

[George Severis]

Yeah.

[Perfume Genius (Mike Hadreas)]

I did too.

[Sam Tagliffe]

Yeah.

[Perfume Genius (Mike Hadreas)]

You liked it?

[Sam Tagliffe]

I liked it.

[Perfume Genius (Mike Hadreas)]

All of my friends didn't like it.

[George Severis]

Really?

[Perfume Genius (Mike Hadreas)]

Yeah.

[George Severis]

What was their critique?

[Perfume Genius (Mike Hadreas)]

Stressful.

[George Severis]

Oh, well, sure.

[Perfume Genius (Mike Hadreas)]

And it is a very straight. It's very, very straight. But I liked it. I feel like more gay people should be like him. I got in a fight yesterday because everybody was like, he's a bad person. I was like, nice. That person.

[George Severis]

Timothee Chalamet or Josh Safdie, the character.

[Perfume Genius (Mike Hadreas)]

Character supreme.

[Sam Tagliffe]

Oh, sure.

[George Severis]

Oh, my God. But that's so you wanted him to be good. That would not have been an interesting movie.

[Perfume Genius (Mike Hadreas)]

He was bad. Is that bad?

[Sam Tagliffe]

You didn't think he was morally wrong?

[Perfume Genius (Mike Hadreas)]

That's what was gay to me about the movies. That he was bad.

[George Severis]

Completely. He's like a little shit.

[Perfume Genius (Mike Hadreas)]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[George Severis]

He's literally like a rancid little twink. Like, he's someone we all know who's just like constantly alienating people. Has no idea. He's constantly alienating people is like leaving a trail of destruction behind, but ultimately is amazing at ping pong.

[Perfume Genius (Mike Hadreas)]

Yeah.

[Sam Tagliffe]

I'm always worried about people that don't know when they're being bad. It does actually freak me out when people are move through the world kind of messing stuff up left and right and are just like, isn't the world crazy?

[George Severis]

Yeah.

[Sam Tagliffe]

And I'm like, well, you're doing it. You're doing it though.

[Perfume Genius (Mike Hadreas)]

Yeah.

[Sam Tagliffe]

Like, it's weird that you can't be like, hey, stop doing that. Because that's their whole personality. They'd be like, stop living.

[Perfume Genius (Mike Hadreas)]

Yeah, Crumble.

[Sam Tagliffe]

They'll crumble. So how physical did this fight get yesterday?

[Perfume Genius (Mike Hadreas)]

Yeah, well, also, wait. Yeah, he also loved Eddington.

[Sam Tagliffe]

I loved Eddington.

[George Severis]

Sam loved Eddington. Do you like Eddington?

[Perfume Genius (Mike Hadreas)]

I did. Afterwards. Right afterwards. Like, I don't like that.

[George Severis]

Yeah.

[Perfume Genius (Mike Hadreas)]

But I could rewatch it.

[George Severis]

I know. I feel similarly.

[Perfume Genius (Mike Hadreas)]

I loved Hereditary.

[George Severis]

I did too. Eddington. It's interesting the things that sort of satirized that 2020 era. Now. Now I'm like, actually, that's enough.

[Perfume Genius (Mike Hadreas)]

I love Covet, though. Like Covid in TV lockdown. I love when they say Covid. I don't know, it's amazing. I'm kind of obsessed with COVID Honestly.

[George Severis]

No more.

[Sam Tagliffe]

It's only more.

[George Severis]

No, no.

[Perfume Genius (Mike Hadreas)]

Like, I say it all the time. Like, it'll be like, quiet. I'll just, like, I'll just think about. I don't know, I. I'm obsessed with that.

[George Severis]

I think in a weird way, we haven't. Even though it's everywhere, we haven't quite processed it psychically as a society. I think it'll take generations to process it because so many other crazy things happened during that time. And right after that. That's not the thing that's top of mind for anyone. And it's still too recent history to be adequately, like, explored in art.

[Sam Tagliffe]

Well, I actually loved people trying to make shows about it while it's still happening. Like, pre vaccine, even people are like, I'm gonna make a sitcom where everyone's stuck at home. I was like, rarely do you get to see someone try to process something in real time that quickly. You're like, because there's countless things about relationships and love and time passing. But to make it specifically about COVID and what this means, I was like, this is crazy to try to attempt.

[George Severis]

Yeah. And I respected Eddington doing that, being like, this is a satire about specifically the COVID era.

[Perfume Genius (Mike Hadreas)]

Did you see the morning show?

[Sam Tagliffe]

No.

[Perfume Genius (Mike Hadreas)]

It has a big Covid. I mean, that's incredible.

[George Severis]

It's incredible.

[Perfume Genius (Mike Hadreas)]

You've seen it?

[George Severis]

Yeah, I've seen it. Basically, Jennifer Aniston is a TV reporter, and she gets Covid, but then also is in the process of being canceled. And so she's at home, and somehow the writers are like, okay, we're gonna combine Covid and being canceled into one thing. And she's like, I have Covid. I'm being canceled. And she's like, zooming the news. She's like, zooming the news, and she's like. And it becomes a story about how she's being canceled. Keep in mind, she's being canceled because she was complicit in, like, covering up a man's, like, toxic workplace abuse.

[Sam Tagliffe]

Got it. There's, like, a Matt Lauer part, but

[George Severis]

then you're supposed to be on her side. It's the strangest thing. Like, that show's politics are very sort of like, throw a bunch of things in the salad bowl and see what comes out. No, it's incredible. I mean, Reese Witherspoon's brother is in the Insurrection. Yeah, he was. She sees that he's there and then deletes the files showing that he's there. And then she gets arrested. But after she gets arrested, instead of going to prison, she strikes a deal where she gets to be a professor in a small town, but she just can't go back to New York or la. So kind of like, you have to leave the industry. But you, like, can be in Arkansas

[Perfume Genius (Mike Hadreas)]

and it's Reese Witherspoon, which is what's amazing about it.

[Becca Ramos]

Yeah.

[Sam Tagliffe]

No, it's always fun when stuff is written from, like, sort of a childlike perspective.

[Becca Ramos]

Yeah.

[Sam Tagliffe]

Like, I actually like seeing the world and being like, well, I don't really understand how it works. But, like, what if it worked like this?

[George Severis]

Well, there's something about a sort of, like, you know, pussy hat, liberal, Upper west side, kind of like upper middle class perspective that is literally a child's perspective. Like, it's. I've. The worst parts of, like, the West Wing are like, this. It's like someone who has not been rid of their assumptions that everything is moral and that, like. And that people in power want what's best. Like, it's.

[Sam Tagliffe]

It's just.

[George Severis]

It's a very strange. It's like someone who has never experienced sadness or disappointment, and they're like, I'm gonna write a morality tale.

[Perfume Genius (Mike Hadreas)]

It is fun to watch.

[George Severis]

Yeah.

[Perfume Genius (Mike Hadreas)]

Or infuriating. It depends. I think if Reese Witherspoon's in it, it's probably gonna be okay.

[George Severis]

Don't you think that's one of the weirdest performances she's ever given. She's a really good actress.

[Perfume Genius (Mike Hadreas)]

Lesbian.

[George Severis]

Yeah. She doesn't know how to access.

[Perfume Genius (Mike Hadreas)]

Lesbian. I'm into it. Reese Witherspoon, I've never really seen her except for in Freeway, which was really good.

[George Severis]

Right.

[Perfume Genius (Mike Hadreas)]

She was in Freeway. Do you guys know that?

[Sam Tagliffe]

Never heard of this in my life.

[Perfume Genius (Mike Hadreas)]

It was like a 90s. Like, really, like Quentin Tarantino, like, really violent, really sexual. Really, like, fucked up.

[George Severis]

Yeah. Perfect for.

[Perfume Genius (Mike Hadreas)]

But she was.

[George Severis]

Well, there is something about actually her

[Perfume Genius (Mike Hadreas)]

being, like, a lesbian. And she has, like, brown hair and she. I don't know, she's like, you know, mean.

[George Severis]

Yeah. I think there's something about some actresses, like, really good actresses don't know how to do lesbian. It's actually like a strange blind spot that I recently watched the Soderbergh movie side Effects and Catherine Zeta Jones has to play like, a wily lesbian. And you can see she's short circuiting, like she doesn't know which beats to hit. And I feel like that is happening with Reese Witherspoon in the Morning show where I think they're also very aware of not wanting to do a caricature, but they also don't want to be themselves. But it's. And I actually think they oftentimes actresses struggle with playing lesbian more than actors struggle with being gay.

[Sam Tagliffe]

Well, Gay is easy.

[George Severis]

Because gay is easy. You just. You know, you just sort of like.

[Perfume Genius (Mike Hadreas)]

They've been practicing. They've been practicing how to since they were born.

[George Severis]

And they're also actors. Straight actors allegedly are surrounded by gay men their whole life because that's all. That's theater. That's entertainment. The entertainment industry.

[Sam Tagliffe]

Well, it's funny. There isn't sort of a larger cultural conversation around, like, straight women playing lesbians, but there is about straight men playing gay guys where it's like, we actually maybe need to wake up that conversation.

[George Severis]

Totally.

[Perfume Genius (Mike Hadreas)]

It happens, though.

[Sam Tagliffe]

Does it?

[Perfume Genius (Mike Hadreas)]

Yeah. And I get mad.

[Sam Tagliffe]

Really?

[Perfume Genius (Mike Hadreas)]

I get mad. I found out an actress I like is not a lesbian. And it was very ankle.

[Sam Tagliffe]

Oh, my God.

[George Severis]

Which one?

[Becca Ramos]

Which one?

[George Severis]

Oh, it's too. It's too painful.

[Perfume Genius (Mike Hadreas)]

Mackenzie Davis. Oh, yeah.

[George Severis]

Yeah. Could be a lesbian. For sure.

[Perfume Genius (Mike Hadreas)]

Want her to be a lesbian.

[George Severis]

Yeah. I think she's hoping she was. You know, life is.

[Perfume Genius (Mike Hadreas)]

She could be. I'm not like. I feel like I'm talking a lot about people, specific people.

[George Severis]

No, but you're. I love mackenzie.

[Perfume Genius (Mike Hadreas)]

I think I'm obsessed with her. Like,

[George Severis]

she was the lesbian. That Black Mirror episode.

[Perfume Genius (Mike Hadreas)]

No. Yeah.

[George Severis]

I think that's where. Maybe that's where your desire for her

[Perfume Genius (Mike Hadreas)]

to be a lesbian came from. And she was in Terminator, like. Well, I didn't see the Terminator, but she was like. There's all these BTS photos of her, and she's, like, really buff.

[George Severis]

Yeah.

[Perfume Genius (Mike Hadreas)]

And when I was working out, I would look at those for, like, inspiration.

[Sam Tagliffe]

Wow.

[George Severis]

Have you seen either Pluribus or the Beast in me? Because both of them. Yeah, both of them. Straight women playing lesbians.

[Perfume Genius (Mike Hadreas)]

Oh, Claire Danes.

[George Severis]

Claire Danes. Claire Danes should, like. So she. That's an interesting lesbian performance. I want to know your take on it.

[Perfume Genius (Mike Hadreas)]

I mean, the thing is, I get. I'm kind of obsessed with it because she's wearing a lot of, like, soft suiting, like, suiting that. But that was like. Like cotton. Like, soft. Do you know what? Yeah, yeah. And it's like, nothing. Structured.

[Sam Tagliffe]

Yes.

[George Severis]

But it was, like, fully fringed, like, frayed ends. But it's, like, intentional. It's, like Japanese or something. And it's very, like, rich lesbian who went to a sort of alternative boutique in Silver Lake and bought and bought that blazer.

[Perfume Genius (Mike Hadreas)]

It was like, poet. Like Marianne Moore. The only few poetry from, like, clips, like little cutouts from newspapers and stuff. You know what I mean? Like a poet. But it's, like, clinical and mathematical.

[George Severis]

Completely.

[Perfume Genius (Mike Hadreas)]

But I loved that show. It was I love everything, honestly, especially if it's bad or, like, over the top. Because everything is Riverdale to me. Like, that show is. That was Riverdale, but like a writer lady. Yeah.

[George Severis]

All TV is everything you've ever kind of.

[Perfume Genius (Mike Hadreas)]

It is.

[Sam Tagliffe]

No, that actually is like, the most true thing I've ever heard. And I think industry, I haven't seen yet.

[Perfume Genius (Mike Hadreas)]

So good.

[Sam Tagliffe]

But I'm excited to.

[George Severis]

Is that Riverdale, do you think, from

[Sam Tagliffe]

the perspective of everything is Riverdale?

[George Severis]

I'm excited to watch it. Riverdale. But finance, it is kind of Riverdale.

[Becca Ramos]

Yeah.

[George Severis]

I think maybe what you're pointing to with the Riverdale thing is like, Riverdale always had the courage of its conviction. Like, it wasn't afraid to fully commit to what it was doing. And I do think you're right, that the Claire Danes performance is very Riverdale. And that she's like, I'm gonna act psycho. The amount of facial expressions per second is crazy.

[Perfume Genius (Mike Hadreas)]

It was so good.

[George Severis]

Yeah.

[Perfume Genius (Mike Hadreas)]

And it was so, like, relentless. You know what I mean? Yeah, it was relentlessly. Like all of those Claire Dean's. Like, not even the lip quiver this much this time. It was more. Just like. It was more like stressed noises and stuff like that.

[George Severis]

Yeah. It was almost like a demon was inside her, like, wanting to come out and literally, like, moving her facial skin from within it.

[Perfume Genius (Mike Hadreas)]

Yeah, she was upset right away.

[George Severis]

Yeah.

[Perfume Genius (Mike Hadreas)]

Like, before we knew why. Completely set.

[George Severis]

Yeah. No, it didn't. Yeah. It didn't start with her being normal and then she got upset. It's like. So her whole thing is being upset.

[Sam Tagliffe]

That's nice.

[George Severis]

But wait, you like Pluribus? Because that's not fun.

[Perfume Genius (Mike Hadreas)]

I enjoyed it. I had fun. I don't know if I'm obsessed with Pluribus. No. And straight. That show's straight.

[George Severis]

Very straight. Even though it's lesbian. Yeah. And that's an interesting lesbian performance, too, because she's like. So being a lesbian means being angry.

[Sam Tagliffe]

Yeah, it's like being gruff still.

[Perfume Genius (Mike Hadreas)]

I feel like sometimes it's like a stillness too.

[Sam Tagliffe]

Just.

[George Severis]

Just. Yeah, yeah.

[Perfume Genius (Mike Hadreas)]

Like, just standing. Just sitting. Do you know what I mean? That's what.

[Sam Tagliffe]

So basically what we're doing right now is like. Like, it's like straight women are like this moves a lot. Lesbians are like this.

[George Severis]

Well, but I do think a lot of actresses think that if they're not. If they're Don't. If they are not doing the work of, like, exploring the lesbian character as an individual, they're kind of like turning

[Perfume Genius (Mike Hadreas)]

slowly and walking like.

[George Severis]

Yes.

[Perfume Genius (Mike Hadreas)]

You know What I mean.

[Becca Ramos]

Uh huh.

[George Severis]

Uh huh.

[Sam Tagliffe]

I know exactly what you mean.

[George Severis]

I honestly think this is a really, really good topic.

[Sam Tagliffe]

I think this is rich.

[George Severis]

I want to think of more lesbians in film, but we can't.

[Sam Tagliffe]

But we don't. Who has the time? We need to get to our topic.

[George Severis]

Wait. And we will.

[Sam Tagliffe]

Okay.

[George Severis]

But I do want to talk a little bit about your point that straight men, for a while, when they would be asked, who do you think is a hot guy?

[Perfume Genius (Mike Hadreas)]

They would always say Ryan Reynolds.

[George Severis]

Ryan Reynolds.

[Perfume Genius (Mike Hadreas)]

Insane. And it was like, it was like national.

[George Severis]

Yeah.

[Perfume Genius (Mike Hadreas)]

I think you could go to, to any state and they would say Ryan Reynolds like a guy and garage.

[George Severis]

Do you think that is?

[Perfume Genius (Mike Hadreas)]

I don't know. It always really bothered me, I think because he's just like regular, but he's tall. Like there are some aspirational things, but like not too far off.

[Sam Tagliffe]

Well, he reveals nothing about you. Like if you're a straight guy who says Adam Driver is hot, you actually do have like, you're implying a sexuality. Like you're like, oh, so you have

[George Severis]

a type so you want him to pick you up. Yeah.

[Sam Tagliffe]

Whereas like, if you find Ryan Reynolds hot, you're like saying like, I just think men are, can be handsome and you're not revealing anything about yourself.

[Perfume Genius (Mike Hadreas)]

Yeah. I actually went on like Reddit to see like, if I could find a thread of like straight guys saying their crush.

[George Severis]

Yeah.

[Perfume Genius (Mike Hadreas)]

And he was on there. I wanted to see if I was right or if this was just based off of like two times this happened.

[George Severis]

No, no, you're right. You're absolutely right.

[Sam Tagliffe]

Well, I've been around something a little scarier than that, which is when a straight woman is like my celebrity crush, Ryan Reynolds.

[Perfume Genius (Mike Hadreas)]

Yeah.

[Sam Tagliffe]

That freaks me out more because I'm like, but you're, you're supposed to dream.

[Perfume Genius (Mike Hadreas)]

Yeah. There's so much to do.

[Sam Tagliffe]

There's so many people.

[George Severis]

Well, I. So here's the thing with a straight woman liking Ryan Reynolds. Ryan Reynolds dated Alanis Morissette and Scarlett Johansson. And so to me that, to me that say no more and qed to me that means he's sort of, I think for the average woman watching the big film, she's like, oh, he's someone who's attracted to personality. Not to say that those women are not attractive, but they both have relatively strong personalities. He's not dating like, he's not like Leonardo DiCaprio, always dating a 22 year old model. And that I think makes him seem more like a gentleman, more approachable, whatever.

[Sam Tagliffe]

Interesting.

[George Severis]

The other thing that. So his whole thing now is that he's like a businessman. He has, like, an ad agency, and he also owns a soccer team. And so I think that straight men are attracted to that because they're like, okay, so he's sort of like a tech CEO, startup entrepreneur, and that's what I want to be. And he's hot and like Chad in their mind. And then for women, it's like, that's a man who can. He's not just some, like, faggy artist. He's like, actually a businessman. He could support me.

[Perfume Genius (Mike Hadreas)]

Well, who do we want them to have a crush on?

[George Severis]

And thank you for asking that, because I think a group of gay guys should always be kind of telling you who to like telling women who they should be attracted to.

[Sam Tagliffe]

I mean, I am generally comforted when some. When a woman says they want to have sex with Adam Driver, I'm like. I'm like, cool. Like, you're not going too far off the beaten path, but you're like. Like you have some style.

[George Severis]

Yeah, maybe. But Adam Driver also, to me, has a Jeremy strong element where he, like, there's anger. There's anger in there.

[Sam Tagliffe]

I like the anger.

[George Severis]

Well, of course.

[Perfume Genius (Mike Hadreas)]

And there's a self consciousness about his whole thing.

[George Severis]

Totally.

[Perfume Genius (Mike Hadreas)]

You know, there's an awareness he's not fully unhinged. He's very aware he's unhinged.

[George Severis]

No, it's true.

[Perfume Genius (Mike Hadreas)]

I do like it. And I think he's hot.

[Sam Tagliffe]

Yeah.

[George Severis]

I feel like he hasn't thanked Lena Dunham enough and that. I really struggle with that. Like, she put him on the map. And it's. He's always sort of like, yeah, like, I did that. I was so honored to be in a gym J movie. And it's like, Lena Dunham put you on the map. Say her name.

[Sam Tagliffe]

No, you're completely right.

[George Severis]

That's always been my beef with Adam Driver.

[Sam Tagliffe]

This is such a great point.

[George Severis]

Yeah.

[Sam Tagliffe]

Why isn't every interview he should be like, well, first of all, it's crazy. It's like acknowledging you're on stolen land. It's like. And I want to acknowledge Lena Dunham.

[George Severis]

He's never acknowledging it. Never worked with a woman again.

[Perfume Genius (Mike Hadreas)]

Is that true?

[George Severis]

Well, I don't know, but yeah, that's true. In my opinion. It's true. So, no, that's always been, oh, it's like. But also, do women like Timothee Chalamet? Are women going, they do.

[Sam Tagliffe]

They do.

[Perfume Genius (Mike Hadreas)]

But I think it's also like, do they really.

[George Severis]

Right.

[Perfume Genius (Mike Hadreas)]

Like, do they want to like him, right? I don't know. I always ask like my friends if they're straight. Like, do you think Xena is hot? And then I just kind of stare at them. Do you know what I mean? Because that is like. It tells me a lot.

[Sam Tagliffe]

Like, your woman or male friends?

[Perfume Genius (Mike Hadreas)]

Male.

[Sam Tagliffe]

Yeah.

[Perfume Genius (Mike Hadreas)]

Straight guys.

[George Severis]

Straight guys.

[Perfume Genius (Mike Hadreas)]

Straight man. Do you think Xena's hot? And then I can kind of. It's like a horoscope sign kind of thing to me.

[George Severis]

So if they do think Xena is hot, then what?

[Perfume Genius (Mike Hadreas)]

They can handle it. They. They know. I don't know, that they have vision. They have like a. Do you know what I mean? Like an expansiveness.

[Sam Tagliffe]

Yeah.

[Perfume Genius (Mike Hadreas)]

Do you know what I mean?

[Sam Tagliffe]

It's like being able to hear a certain pitch. Like, it's like. Oh, it implies something about you. You can do that.

[George Severis]

I also, I have to say, speaking of lesbian performances, I think that's a great lesbian performance.

[Perfume Genius (Mike Hadreas)]

Yeah.

[George Severis]

Because I think she is. She transcends the stiffness.

[Becca Ramos]

What?

[Sam Tagliffe]

No, you're right. I just think it's so funny to

[Perfume Genius (Mike Hadreas)]

be talking about Xena.

[Sam Tagliffe]

Yeah. Basically, it's not fun.

[Perfume Genius (Mike Hadreas)]

Have you seen it? It's so good.

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[George Severis]

Okay, let's get into the straight.

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[George Severis]

No, no no you do not.

[Perfume Genius (Mike Hadreas)]

I tv. I could talk about TV shows. I have a lot to say about television shows.

[Sam Tagliffe]

Get him a podcast.

[George Severis]

Okay. So can we call you Mike?

[Perfume Genius (Mike Hadreas)]

Yeah, Mike.

[Sam Tagliffe]

It's always like I never know what to call people when they have like you know, art names.

[Perfume Genius (Mike Hadreas)]

I know.

[George Severis]

Well we just had Peaches on and we kept calling her Peaches.

[Perfume Genius (Mike Hadreas)]

What is Peaches name? Christian name.

[George Severis]

I don't. You know my favorite thing is how Diablo Cody's name is Brooke.

[Perfume Genius (Mike Hadreas)]

Is it really?

[George Severis]

Yeah. Isn't that so funny?

[Perfume Genius (Mike Hadreas)]

Brooke Cody.

[George Severis]

No, it's like Brooke Candy. It's not Brooke Candy.

[Perfume Genius (Mike Hadreas)]

That's cool.

[George Severis]

Yeah, her real name is Brooke Candy and she had to change it because of the artist. Brooke Candy. A lot of people don't know that

[Sam Tagliffe]

she was named that because her parents invented candy.

[George Severis]

Oh, she's a Nepo baby. Her parents invented all candy.

[Sam Tagliffe]

Her parents are, like, invented candy.

[George Severis]

Imagine. And Brooks changing your name to Diablo Cody when you're, like, in your 20s and working as a stripper and then having to be, like, an Academy Award winning, like, widely respected screenwriter. And we just be like, hi, Diablo. Nice to meet you. You're at the Netflix offices.

[Perfume Genius (Mike Hadreas)]

Yeah, I guess I always thought of them together, not just Diablo.

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[George Severis]

Oh, yeah, it was just a Diablo.

[Sam Tagliffe]

I'm Diablo.

[George Severis]

So crazy.

[Sam Tagliffe]

I'm Diablo. I guess people would always remember, like, so why don't you Slime Diablo.

[Perfume Genius (Mike Hadreas)]

The devil. Right?

[George Severis]

You feel like in the same way that the Dixie Chicks changed her name during 2020, there was an alternate universe where Diablo Cody is like, I just want to acknowledge that. Like, I'm not a native Spanish speaker. And I don't. I'm gonna go back to Brooke Candy. Diablo Cody.

[Sam Tagliffe]

Diablo Cody. That's tough. So should we get.

[George Severis]

Are you ever we. Your stage name has stood the test of time, which is rare. Like, still, when I say the words perfume Genius, it doesn't sound, like dated or ridiculous or anything, but, like, have you ever had any insecurity about that? Because obviously you chose it when you were, like, in your 20s.

[Perfume Genius (Mike Hadreas)]

Yeah, and I didn't really. I didn't think about it. It's just kind of nonsense, essentially. But, like, Kath Power is kind of a silly name, I guess.

[George Severis]

Yes.

[Perfume Genius (Mike Hadreas)]

But you just think of her. That's what I was, like, banking on is that it would just be like, you would just think of the music in me. You know what I mean? But I don't. And I like the way the words look written out. Yeah, definitely. But, like, what? You know, each word and them together doesn't, like, it's not meaningful to me beyond what I've made underneath it.

[Sam Tagliffe]

So your parents aren't the inventors of perfume?

[Perfume Genius (Mike Hadreas)]

No, it's all, you know.

[George Severis]

Well, we.

[Perfume Genius (Mike Hadreas)]

It's from one of my. We were watching that movie Perfume, based on the book Story of a Murderer. Yeah. Which is bad.

[Sam Tagliffe]

I haven't seen it.

[George Severis]

Wait, that movie came out before your music career started? Wow.

[Perfume Genius (Mike Hadreas)]

Yeah, I think, like, 2008 or something like that.

[George Severis]

And that's where you got the name from?

[Perfume Genius (Mike Hadreas)]

Well, something my friend said. She's like, oh, this guy's some kind of fucking perfume genius or something. And then that's.

[George Severis]

That's it. That's really funny.

[Sam Tagliffe]

Aw, that's nice.

[George Severis]

No, but you are right that it doesn't matter how a name can be silly. Cat Power is an insane name to call yourself, but it just doesn't matter if you're powerful enough to embody it. Or St. Vincent.

[Perfume Genius (Mike Hadreas)]

Is that a saint?

[George Severis]

Yeah.

[Perfume Genius (Mike Hadreas)]

What is his deal?

[Sam Tagliffe]

I don't know the deal.

[George Severis]

He sort of does a lot of electronic music and works with David Byrne and it's kind of like snatched as hell and rocking a fuck ass.

[Perfume Genius (Mike Hadreas)]

Bob rocking out.

[George Severis]

Sorry I keep preventing you from going to the topic, but I don't have

[Sam Tagliffe]

to go to the topic.

[George Severis]

But I'm obs. I do. Or like, you're essentially Lord. Imagine naming yourself Lord and you're like, yep, that's pretty much it for me. I'm Lord.

[Sam Tagliffe]

Well, that's like a name you can only give yourself when you are 15 years old.

[George Severis]

Yeah, I like Lord with.

[Perfume Genius (Mike Hadreas)]

Lord with the Lord with.

[George Severis]

Don't get us wrong, we're both.

[Perfume Genius (Mike Hadreas)]

No, I like the, like, like, yeah. Lord with the knee. It's cool.

[Becca Ramos]

It's cool.

[Perfume Genius (Mike Hadreas)]

So cool. I like it.

[Sam Tagliffe]

Well, I think there's something about giving yourself a stupid name. It almost like challenges you to be like, can I rise above?

[George Severis]

Can I transcend it?

[Perfume Genius (Mike Hadreas)]

Yeah.

[Sam Tagliffe]

Yeah.

[Perfume Genius (Mike Hadreas)]

I feel like it could have been, like, not insurmountable. I feel like I picked a good amount of students completely. It could have been really bad.

[Sam Tagliffe]

Yeah. Yeah.

[George Severis]

Like lmfao. Are you. Aren't you glad you didn't name yourself lmfao?

[Perfume Genius (Mike Hadreas)]

I am actually glad about that because

[Sam Tagliffe]

that was, like, what you were also thinking about in a way that would be kind of genius. Your music's all the same. You just called lmfao.

[George Severis]

You should do a cover, like a really dark cover of an LMFAO song.

[Sam Tagliffe]

Yeah. For an episode of what Are you.

[Perfume Genius (Mike Hadreas)]

What are their hits?

[Sam Tagliffe]

I'm Sexy and I Know It. Party Rock.

[George Severis]

Party Rock. Party Rockers in the house.

[Perfume Genius (Mike Hadreas)]

Oh, yeah.

[Sam Tagliffe]

Yeah.

[Perfume Genius (Mike Hadreas)]

I could do it.

[George Severis]

Yeah.

[Perfume Genius (Mike Hadreas)]

Version of it.

[George Severis]

Children's choir ballad. It's in the trailer for a documentary about the second Trump administration. Party Rockers in the house tonight.

[Sam Tagliffe]

Wow.

[George Severis]

Yeah.

[Sam Tagliffe]

That's tough. That already says a lot.

[George Severis]

Yeah. Starring Reese Witherspoon as Donald Trump.

[Sam Tagliffe]

Okay, okay. What is your straight topic and what is.

[Perfume Genius (Mike Hadreas)]

I had a few of them.

[Sam Tagliffe]

Yeah, Please run through them.

[Perfume Genius (Mike Hadreas)]

One, I brought up to Alan last night that he was like. What are you talking about? Was when straight guys have, like, hair in their face and they. They go like that.

[Sam Tagliffe]

Yeah.

[Perfume Genius (Mike Hadreas)]

Because they don't want to, like, go like that.

[George Severis]

I think, yeah, that's genius.

[Perfume Genius (Mike Hadreas)]

But. But that's not the topic. I just wanted to bring that up. Well, do you guys know what I'm talking about? It seems like, what are you talking about again?

[George Severis]

For anyone not watching, it's like doing the surfer dude, like, hair flip. Hair flip to the sides.

[Perfume Genius (Mike Hadreas)]

Don't do that. I don't think they would do that.

[George Severis]

In fact, they move their hair with

[Perfume Genius (Mike Hadreas)]

their hands, if anything.

[George Severis]

I have, like, a fixation with touching.

[Sam Tagliffe]

Well, gay guys love to do this.

[George Severis]

Putting hair behind the ear, even if there's no hair.

[Sam Tagliffe]

I do this constantly and it's like, I don't have hair anymore. Like that. Like that.

[Perfume Genius (Mike Hadreas)]

It also is, like, literally moving your hair, like, and the straight guys are trying to shake it. Shake it to go somewhere.

[George Severis]

But why.

[Sam Tagliffe]

But why?

[Perfume Genius (Mike Hadreas)]

Why is it gayer to move it with your hands or anything? Has nothing to do.

[Sam Tagliffe]

You're literally Jonathan Van Ness. You're, like, styling. Suddenly.

[Perfume Genius (Mike Hadreas)]

If you move away, do they just not realize they can. Well, they never touched that area or something.

[George Severis]

Hair is a very. Hair is, like one of the gayer parts of the body. Like, it is something that is so feminine coded. And for you to acknowledge having hair is almost like you sort of like, twerking and, like, acknowledging having a butt. Like, it. You wanna, as a straight man, you wanna, like, like, not draw attention to the gay parts of the body.

[Perfume Genius (Mike Hadreas)]

But, like, in order to have hair, like, enough hair to, like, flip, it has to be long. And you can tell that they're, like, prideful about it.

[George Severis]

Oh, I see.

[Perfume Genius (Mike Hadreas)]

But why are you. But not enough to, like, touch it

[Sam Tagliffe]

or, like, move it. But it's prideful. Not in, like, a stylistic way. It's prideful in, like, a look what I can do. I'm still, like, virile. I can grow my hair this long.

[George Severis]

So much.

[Perfume Genius (Mike Hadreas)]

I got so much hair. Yeah.

[George Severis]

Okay, so that's a good one. Hair flipping.

[Sam Tagliffe]

I like that one also.

[Perfume Genius (Mike Hadreas)]

Just like, cars, like, going really, really fast.

[Sam Tagliffe]

Going really fast is really amazing.

[George Severis]

And you had a reason for why it's straight.

[Perfume Genius (Mike Hadreas)]

Yeah, because the car is what's going fast. Like, the guy in it is just like. Just like pressing a little press with his foot.

[Sam Tagliffe]

Yeah.

[Perfume Genius (Mike Hadreas)]

You know what I mean?

[Sam Tagliffe]

He's like, I went crazy.

[Perfume Genius (Mike Hadreas)]

Or like, when motorcycles are really loud, like, the motorcycle is loud. Like, I isn't. Why is that cool?

[George Severis]

No, you're absolutely right. It's like this. It's like, it's being proud of your adjacency to power rather than the power you yourself have. Like, you're not. You're not running fast. You're not lifting something heavy. You are simply on the same wavelength as something going fast or something going loud.

[Sam Tagliffe]

The car is Lena Dunham's Girls, and the driver is Adam Driver. And he's like, I did that.

[Perfume Genius (Mike Hadreas)]

And it's like, wow, that's crazy.

[Sam Tagliffe]

And it's like, no, the vehicle did that. Yeah, you were simply in the vehicle.

[George Severis]

Correct.

[Sam Tagliffe]

There's also just something to wanting to go fast that I've never related to. Whenever anyone's speeding, I'm like, can we not. Like, it's not that I'm not in a hurry, but it's like, I just, like, I don't. I don't want to go fast.

[George Severis]

I know. Let's just, like, be on a bicycle going slow.

[Sam Tagliffe]

Yeah.

[Perfume Genius (Mike Hadreas)]

I guess I was trying to think about it. Like, I. I guess, like, going really fast is, like, dangerous. And if a guy is willing to, like, be that reckless and that's hot, or they think that's hot because they're not afraid of dying and that makes them more, like, vital or something.

[George Severis]

Yeah, it's a fearlessness. Well, it's like going. It's being like an adrenaline, not an adrenaline junkie, because that's different. I actually think that's kind of gay. I think it's like doing. Feigning a lack of fear of death. And it's also. Everything is a race and I'm winning. Like, going fast than a car. Like, there's nothing more pathetic to me than being in a normal road in a normal city, and someone feels a need to, like, vroom, vroom, vroom.

[Perfume Genius (Mike Hadreas)]

Do gay people do that? I was trying to think. I really was trying to see if these were real things.

[George Severis]

No, no, that is.

[Perfume Genius (Mike Hadreas)]

Or if they were actually gay. Cause sometimes they just end up being gay. The more I think about them. Gay guys don't really do that. They drive fast, but, like, they, like, they're in a hurry.

[George Severis]

Yeah, well, they drive fast. Cause they're drunk.

[Sam Tagliffe]

Well, but the feigning. The fear of death. Like, feigning not having a fear of death. I think they actually don't have a fear of death. Like, I think straight guys are flying down the road, being like.

[George Severis]

Because they've never been hurt, everyone will

[Sam Tagliffe]

move out of my way.

[George Severis]

Yeah, yeah. No, that's very true. It's sort of like when you're walking, like, at a shopping mall or something, and a man will walk into you because he's like, Your job is to move away. Like, I'm not gonna, like, consider if I'm in anyone's way.

[Perfume Genius (Mike Hadreas)]

Do you ever not, though?

[George Severis]

Yes.

[Perfume Genius (Mike Hadreas)]

Like, yeah.

[George Severis]

And then I've, in fact, been fully, like, bumped. Just like.

[Perfume Genius (Mike Hadreas)]

I always feel like a Chihuahua, though, because if they, like, make a thing out of him, like, he'll just run. But I, like, in that moment, I'm, like, into this man.

[Sam Tagliffe]

Yeah.

[George Severis]

Well, I'm like, yes. I'm, like, confident. Confident, Confident. Like, I dare you to walk into me. And then they do, and I'm like, ow.

[Sam Tagliffe]

I'm not bumping in.

[George Severis]

I'm moving.

[Perfume Genius (Mike Hadreas)]

I'm moving out of the way.

[Sam Tagliffe]

I'm saying, this isn't worth it. This is not my fight.

[George Severis]

Okay. I also think that one of my sort of white whales, which we've never done on the pod, is NASCAR or F1 or anything like that, because I feel like that's the extreme version of what you're saying. It's like, so we love going fast, fast, fast so much that we're doing it in an arena.

[Sam Tagliffe]

This is like, I get freaked out by talking about this stuff because I'm like, okay, I understand that racing is real. It requires some skills.

[George Severis]

Yes.

[Sam Tagliffe]

But I'm. At the same time, I'm like, but you're not an athlete.

[Perfume Genius (Mike Hadreas)]

You're just sitting. You're just sitting fit, Right? Maybe your hand a little. Yeah, that's it. Right.

[Sam Tagliffe]

Like, you're, like, dealing with discomfort. Like, it's like you just have to sit in that chair for kind of a lot.

[Perfume Genius (Mike Hadreas)]

Probably, like, mathematical.

[Sam Tagliffe]

I bet it's loud in there. Yeah. But other than that, I'm like, I'd much rather you ran a race.

[Perfume Genius (Mike Hadreas)]

Yeah, that's way more impressive.

[Sam Tagliffe]

Yeah.

[Perfume Genius (Mike Hadreas)]

And way more fun to watch. I actually haven't watched nascar, but it's

[George Severis]

just, like, cars completely, and then you. And then I guess just the fear that at any given point they could crash. They should do in the same way that musicians do acoustic sets. The NASCAR driver should just, like, run around the track.

[Sam Tagliffe]

Oh, my God. That'd be amazing.

[George Severis]

Be like, okay, let's see. Like, ultimately, if we were to strip this down, like, would you be winning?

[Sam Tagliffe]

To qualify for the. The car race, you first have to win the running race and run along.

[George Severis]

Well, it's kind of like, if you're an artist, if you're, like, some radical performance artist, like, in art school, you learned figure drawing. Like, have these people learned. Have they learned running, swimming, races, swimming?

[Sam Tagliffe]

Maybe bike racing?

[George Severis]

I would love to see them bike.

[Sam Tagliffe]

I would Love to see them. Love to see them bite. That's a nice middle ground.

[Perfume Genius (Mike Hadreas)]

Still a vehicle, but Are they hot race car drivers?

[George Severis]

They are.

[Perfume Genius (Mike Hadreas)]

Okay, interesting.

[George Severis]

They are hot, but in a very kind of, like, Republican way.

[Perfume Genius (Mike Hadreas)]

Like, it is, like, hat hair. Do you know?

[George Severis]

Yes, yes. Like, hat hair.

[Sam Tagliffe]

Like, hat hair.

[George Severis]

Yeah, yeah, they're hat hair.

[Perfume Genius (Mike Hadreas)]

You like hair?

[George Severis]

Yeah, just, like, constant. Constant hat hair.

[Sam Tagliffe]

They're hat hair hot. They're like.

[Becca Ramos]

They're.

[George Severis]

They cheated.

[Sam Tagliffe]

Baseball player hot.

[Perfume Genius (Mike Hadreas)]

You know, they have, like, hair. They have.

[George Severis]

No, baseball players have hair. Nice big butt, though. That's true.

[Sam Tagliffe]

That's true. I guess I was thinking, like.

[George Severis]

Yeah.

[Sam Tagliffe]

I don't know.

[Perfume Genius (Mike Hadreas)]

I was thinking about something, like, straight. When do you like it when a straight guy has a huge, fat ass? Weirdly, I don't like it because, like, it's not. Nothing's gonna. All that's happening is poop coming out of it. But don't you think that, like, there's no utility, no playful element to it, or, like, it's just poop coming out of there and it's just thick? That's it.

[Sam Tagliffe]

Yeah.

[George Severis]

I guess my only response to that would be that is. I think what's beautiful about it is that it's a purely aesthetic object. It's not gonna be used for anything. And it's like, that's why I don't like sculpture. Yeah, you're like, what? You're like, what a waste.

[Perfume Genius (Mike Hadreas)]

It's more like the butt itself. Like, it doesn't have personality on its own, like, detached from the person.

[George Severis]

I see. I see.

[Perfume Genius (Mike Hadreas)]

Since it hasn't experienced anything and doesn't do anything, it has no, like, charisma, and it's just a poop area.

[George Severis]

Yeah. I guess the poop thing, you are right that it, like, draws attention to its poopiness because, you know, it's not used for anything else. Yeah, that's what I mean. Yeah. No, you're right, because you can't imagine it.

[Perfume Genius (Mike Hadreas)]

That's all it's doing sometimes, though.

[Sam Tagliffe]

I like that it's a vulnerability. Like, you can't. Not if you have a giant ass as a straight man. You can't, like, put it away. Like, everyone's always like, and he has a giant ass. Like, when you get out of the shower, your wife is like, gives you a little spank because you're like, that

[Perfume Genius (Mike Hadreas)]

gives me some, like, flavor to me, that I spanked by. It's a wife.

[Sam Tagliffe]

Yeah. Wife is like, nice ass.

[George Severis]

You know, it gives. It's like, otherwise, this man is invincible. But he was cursed with a giant ass.

[Sam Tagliffe]

His Achilles ass.

[George Severis]

His Achilles ass. And he's walking around and that's what's on everyone's mind. They're saying, why does he have such a huge ass?

[Sam Tagliffe]

And it's like, he could be like the CEO, but because of his ass, he's just like the cfo.

[Perfume Genius (Mike Hadreas)]

Oh, I like that.

[Sam Tagliffe]

It, like, brings him. It, like, humanizes him.

[George Severis]

Yeah, that's true.

[Sam Tagliffe]

Looking for parents must be tough. I mean, when you're putting on the sweats and like, normally you're looking for bulge and sweats, but with him, because his ass is so big, you're looking at ass to the back. Yeah.

[George Severis]

Yeah.

[Sam Tagliffe]

So I know what you mean about the poop area, but we can move on from that.

[George Severis]

No, no, no, no, no, no, no.

[Perfume Genius (Mike Hadreas)]

We.

[George Severis]

We have a good 20, 25 minutes.

[Sam Tagliffe]

On the poop area.

[George Severis]

On the poop area. Okay. Any other thoughts about moving really, really fast?

[Perfume Genius (Mike Hadreas)]

I walk really fast.

[Sam Tagliffe]

I think you're booking.

[Perfume Genius (Mike Hadreas)]

I do too, but it's more like I'm not thinking speed. I'm thinking like, what is it? What is the feeling? A lot of. I think it's defensive. Too fast walking, less room, less opportunity

[George Severis]

for people to fuck with me completely.

[Perfume Genius (Mike Hadreas)]

You know what I mean? They can't even talk to me or do anything because I'm Wham.

[George Severis]

Yes. And I would say related to that. It's like I'm vulnerable when I'm between locations. So I have to go as fast as possible from location A to location B. I need to go. I need to be inside the grocery store where I can be safe.

[Perfume Genius (Mike Hadreas)]

Safe.

[George Severis]

And I want to minimize the liminal space in between.

[Perfume Genius (Mike Hadreas)]

I think that's part of it too. Yeah.

[George Severis]

Which is also why I struggled for the longest time to understand the appeal of a hike where the whole point is the walking and the walking isn't a means to an end.

[Sam Tagliffe]

God, I love a hike.

[George Severis]

You're shaking your head.

[Perfume Genius (Mike Hadreas)]

I don't care for it.

[Sam Tagliffe]

Really.

[Perfume Genius (Mike Hadreas)]

I will walk to Ross three miles. You know what I mean? But just to go to the. Just to do it or just at the top. And that's interesting because Alan goes hiking all the time and I don't go with them for that reason.

[Sam Tagliffe]

Really?

[Perfume Genius (Mike Hadreas)]

If there's like a hot springs or like, something. Yeah, something. I will walk to it and I. I will enjoy the nature on the way and I'll look around at everything, but I don't. Just the walking. Yeah. Even nature? Honestly, like. Or the moon or anything. Well, sometimes I know what it Looks like. You know what I mean?

[Sam Tagliffe]

I have to agree sometimes with the moon. I'm like, so what am I supposed to do with it?

[George Severis]

This?

[Perfume Genius (Mike Hadreas)]

I don't know. It makes me feel bad though, because so many people love it so much. Like, Alan loves nature. He loves the moon. A lot of my friends love the moon and everything, and they want me to look at the moon. I'm like, oh, cool. You know what I mean?

[George Severis]

Yeah.

[Perfume Genius (Mike Hadreas)]

But I've seen pictures, I've seen artists.

[Becca Ramos]

I feel bad.

[Perfume Genius (Mike Hadreas)]

It makes me feel like there's something wrong with me that I'm not. Like, I love nature, like, the idea of it, but I don't need to be like, looking at a tree to like, like, think about how beautiful it is or what it means or something.

[George Severis]

Completely. Well, can I tell you my theory about this?

[Perfume Genius (Mike Hadreas)]

Okay.

[Sam Tagliffe]

Please.

[George Severis]

Okay. All right. So the appeal of hiking and looking at nature is that it takes you out of our hyper mediated capitalist world and you can finally, like, take a break from it.

[Perfume Genius (Mike Hadreas)]

Okay.

[George Severis]

But to me, fetishizing the nature only makes me more aware of how not incorporated into my life it is. So if anything, it makes me more depressed to be like, on a mountain overlooking a city, like a cityscape, because I'm so much more aware of the difference.

[Perfume Genius (Mike Hadreas)]

Yeah.

[George Severis]

Like, well, it doesn't relax me.

[Perfume Genius (Mike Hadreas)]

Yeah. I don't want to be present for a second because then I will realize that all the rest of the seconds

[George Severis]

of my life I'm not completely supposed

[Perfume Genius (Mike Hadreas)]

to feel like I fucked up.

[Sam Tagliffe]

You guys are crazy. Hiking is fun.

[George Severis]

You love hiking.

[Sam Tagliffe]

I love hiking.

[Perfume Genius (Mike Hadreas)]

No, it's cool.

[George Severis]

I will.

[Perfume Genius (Mike Hadreas)]

I want to like it. Like, I'm not. I think I just. If I am ever defensive about it, it's because I feel like I should be really loving hiking. I feel the same way and stuff. Do you know?

[Sam Tagliffe]

I know what you mean. I went on a hike like a month ago that was like, kind of like scarier than I thought it would be. Like, there were like slippery rocks and stuff. And it, like, when I came back, I was like, oh, my God, I did it. Like, I'm so brave.

[Perfume Genius (Mike Hadreas)]

No, that's cool. I like, if I know there's gonna be slippery rocks, I will go. Do you know what I mean?

[George Severis]

Yeah.

[Sam Tagliffe]

Yeah. You like a challenge almost more than just a leisurely walk.

[Perfume Genius (Mike Hadreas)]

I think if I know it's gon like an event.

[Sam Tagliffe]

Yeah. The other thing.

[Perfume Genius (Mike Hadreas)]

But it is cold to be. Do a slippery hike and survive.

[Sam Tagliffe]

I lived.

[Perfume Genius (Mike Hadreas)]

Yeah.

[Sam Tagliffe]

I will say a central issue I would argue with hiking Is that. So you're supposed to be, like, looking at the nature and really, like, taking it in. And you're essentially, like, close reading the trees, but then you're also supposed to be watching where you step.

[Perfume Genius (Mike Hadreas)]

Yeah.

[George Severis]

Hello.

[Sam Tagliffe]

How can I do both?

[Perfume Genius (Mike Hadreas)]

Yeah. How do you do it all?

[Sam Tagliffe]

How do you do it all? So basically, I find myself mostly looking at the ground so I don't slip on slippery rocks. I'm missing all the trees. Yeah. Get you a hike that can do both.

[Perfume Genius (Mike Hadreas)]

Alan doesn't look at anything. He just goes straight. He really does.

[George Severis]

Constantly falling, tumbling down. I think he.

[Perfume Genius (Mike Hadreas)]

In some, you know, maybe a different, like, mechanism that's, like, taking it all in. Like, to me, like. Yeah, because whenever we hike together, he's just, bam, Just straight all the way through the hike. Not. No meandering, no, like, looking or stopping.

[George Severis]

But. So he. The appeal of the hike for him is not appreciating the nature.

[Perfume Genius (Mike Hadreas)]

I think it is, but I guess he does it in a way that I'm. That is fast.

[Sam Tagliffe]

Or he Speed. Appreciates.

[George Severis]

Well, maybe he appreciates it in a more embodied way. Like, we have this, like, we privilege, like, visuals above all else. So you're like, well, he's not looking at it, so he's not appreciating.

[Perfume Genius (Mike Hadreas)]

He's smelling other senses.

[George Severis]

And he's like, his body is moving through it like he's a wild animal. And like, that's. It's not like when a lion is in nature. The lion is like, oh, my God, those redwoods are so stunning.

[Perfume Genius (Mike Hadreas)]

But he's of the place.

[George Severis]

But he's of the place. Yeah.

[Sam Tagliffe]

Interesting.

[George Severis]

He's acting like an actual native animal would act, rather than, like, as a human who, like, works as an administrative assistant and is going on a hike, like, on Saturday.

[Perfume Genius (Mike Hadreas)]

Yeah, that's probably it.

[Sam Tagliffe]

Wait, there was another topic that you brought up that we were debating whether or not to bring up, even briefly.

[George Severis]

We don't have to.

[Sam Tagliffe]

And we don't have to. But I just thought, as an option, if you wanted to bring it up right now. Did you want to talk about this one?

[Perfume Genius (Mike Hadreas)]

I don't remember what it is. Is this a certain actress, Ana Kendrick? Well, let me preface this. I like Anakin Trick.

[George Severis]

I like Anna Kendrick, too.

[Perfume Genius (Mike Hadreas)]

She's cool. I like her. But I do think it's kind of like when I would ask my straight friends, like, do you think Xena is hot? Not. It's the same thing. Yeah.

[George Severis]

They'd be like, there's no Anna Kendrick.

[Perfume Genius (Mike Hadreas)]

Kind of the Ryan Reynolds, like, A lot of straight guys say they're celebrity crushers. Anna Kendrick. Do you know what I mean?

[Sam Tagliffe]

I do know what you mean. It's interesting for me when someone is like, the fantasy is actually the person they grew up with. You expect people to want this craziest sexy thing on earth because this is your one big fantasy. And it's like, actually, I want the girl that I think I would get along with.

[George Severis]

The girl from camp.

[Sam Tagliffe]

Yeah.

[Perfume Genius (Mike Hadreas)]

But I feel like when I think about gay guy crushes on men, it's just like, a guy at the store, he's so hot, but he's like, the most normal, regular guy. And we're like, that's. That's awesome. Just looks like a regular guy.

[Becca Ramos]

Yeah.

[Sam Tagliffe]

No, I fetishize regular bad. It's hard not to. Wait, I have a question.

[Perfume Genius (Mike Hadreas)]

Okay.

[Sam Tagliffe]

What are you gonna wear to the Grammys?

[Perfume Genius (Mike Hadreas)]

I don't know. It's been very stressful, I'm sure, because I thought about getting a stylist, and I've. And. But I was very lazy about it. And then with the amount of money I could use for stylist, I could buy something and keep it if I just did it myself.

[Sam Tagliffe]

Yeah.

[Perfume Genius (Mike Hadreas)]

But that's. I don't know. I don't know what I'm gonna wear, basically, is what I'm saying. I'm nervous about it.

[Sam Tagliffe]

Does that stress you out?

[George Severis]

Out?

[Perfume Genius (Mike Hadreas)]

It can be really fun if it's for, like, for the video or for the album cover. It feels a lot more creative, and there's a lot more, like, discussion and. But as far as just, like, wearing something nice to, like, a formal event, that. That does stress me out. I don't really. It makes me feel like a gremlin kind of.

[Sam Tagliffe]

Yeah.

[Perfume Genius (Mike Hadreas)]

In a way that I haven't figured out how to be, like, my. My gremlin outfit or formal places. You know what I mean? I know. Know what that is for. For other things, because at the formal event, you just kind of walk. I'm also scared that I'm gonna do the red carpet and I'm just gonna walk straight into the place.

[Sam Tagliffe]

You're gonna forget to pause.

[Perfume Genius (Mike Hadreas)]

Wearing my, like, normal clothes from my closet. And I'm just gonna just walk straight from the start into the place. But they said that won't happen.

[Sam Tagliffe]

They're gonna stop.

[George Severis]

There's so many handlers. You will be shown exactly what to do.

[Perfume Genius (Mike Hadreas)]

Okay.

[Sam Tagliffe]

And then you'll do your poses down.

[Perfume Genius (Mike Hadreas)]

No.

[George Severis]

Huh.

[Perfume Genius (Mike Hadreas)]

I guess I could do my signature pose.

[Sam Tagliffe]

Yeah.

[George Severis]

What's your signature pose?

[Perfume Genius (Mike Hadreas)]

It's a, it's like a very arched, a big backbend.

[Sam Tagliffe]

Oh, you're gonna have to hit him with that.

[George Severis]

You should do the pose from the album cover. Yeah, lay down on the ground. Laying down.

[Sam Tagliffe]

That'd be cool actually, because then they'll be like, oh that's.

[Perfume Genius (Mike Hadreas)]

That's not what he's doing the thing

[Sam Tagliffe]

like performing the song.

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[Sam Tagliffe]

should we do our final segment?

[George Severis]

Yeah, I like. You know it's. We've run out of time. We have not talked about the music at all.

[Perfume Genius (Mike Hadreas)]

It's okay.

[George Severis]

I have like. I have this urged. Like I wanna. We're both very big fans of yours and I like wanna. I wanna ask questions about the music but I also know I'm gonna sound so stupid cause I don't have the language for it.

[Sam Tagliffe]

I actually feel so.

[George Severis]

You know what I mean?

[Sam Tagliffe]

Like I didn't try because I think I struggle with being putting my music journalist hat on because it's a bit foreign. Let's face it, we're comedians but of

[George Severis]

all musicians we have. I know it's like we.

[Sam Tagliffe]

So I guess we want to both

[George Severis]

say we appreciate you fans for like your entire career. Yeah.

[Sam Tagliffe]

You've been a big presence in both of our lives.

[George Severis]

Yeah. We are very honored that you're here.

[Sam Tagliffe]

Yeah.

[Perfume Genius (Mike Hadreas)]

Thank you. Happy to be here.

[Sam Tagliffe]

Yeah.

[George Severis]

And also did you name the album Glory after the Britney Spears album?

[Perfume Genius (Mike Hadreas)]

No. But I liked how it also like you know how full that word was for a lot of different like pop culture things. Things.

[Sam Tagliffe]

Yeah.

[George Severis]

Do you think you would you have a song called on the Floor? Do you think you would ever cover on the Floor by Jennifer Lawrence? Jennifer Lopez featuring Pitbull.

[Perfume Genius (Mike Hadreas)]

Yeah. Straight to, like, New York. London 2.

[Becca Ramos]

Yeah.

[Sam Tagliffe]

Africa.

[George Severis]

Africa. Not Ibiza.

[Perfume Genius (Mike Hadreas)]

I think it is.

[Sam Tagliffe]

There's an abusive part later.

[Perfume Genius (Mike Hadreas)]

There is an easy part.

[George Severis]

Would you ever, like, transition from you're on the floor?

[Perfume Genius (Mike Hadreas)]

No, but I love. I do. You know, I was aware when I named the song of that as well.

[George Severis]

Well, that's enough music.

[Perfume Genius (Mike Hadreas)]

Yeah.

[George Severis]

Do you like the new Robin?

[Perfume Genius (Mike Hadreas)]

I do same a lot.

[Sam Tagliffe]

Oh, wait. I have one more music question. Do you ever get tired of people using your music when. When they're like, coming of age in a movie?

[Perfume Genius (Mike Hadreas)]

No, because I get mad when they don't really. It's kind of like when bank of America doesn't want me to do their, like, pride thing, even though I'm mad about it. All years, like, oh, you didn't ask me to do it. Like, if they don't have, like, some gay guy by figuring it out and my song is playing, like, I get mad. Plus, that's a check. It's the one check I can get. So it's like, you heard it here,

[Sam Tagliffe]

folks first folks coming.

[George Severis]

Bank of America, please, please call.

[Sam Tagliffe]

Please call.

[George Severis]

Please call.

[Perfume Genius (Mike Hadreas)]

I usually say no, but I like to be asked, of course, because it reminds me, do you ever wish you

[George Severis]

could just, like, publish a list of things you've said no to and get some credit?

[Sam Tagliffe]

Yeah. Be like, look at how moral I am.

[Perfume Genius (Mike Hadreas)]

I don't think it would be a good list. I'm not. I'm not very ethical.

[Sam Tagliffe]

Yeah, who is? It's hard to be in this town.

[Perfume Genius (Mike Hadreas)]

Let's remind you. Just kidding.

[Sam Tagliffe]

Yeah, he's kidding, you guys.

[George Severis]

You are. But also bank of America. Reach out. The phone is, you know, desperate to ring.

[Perfume Genius (Mike Hadreas)]

Good ending. Good ending.

[George Severis]

Okay, go ahead.

[Sam Tagliffe]

No, you do it.

[George Severis]

Okay. Our final segment is called Shout Outs. And this is an homage to the grand strait tradition of the radio shout out. You are shouting out something to your squad back home. We think of the we'll do. We'll go first. We think of them on the spot, which is why I'm stalling. Okay, so we each have one roughly in mind. Okay, go ahead.

[Sam Tagliffe]

Okay.

[George Severis]

I don't either.

[Sam Tagliffe]

What's up, freaks, losers and perverts around the globe. I want to give a huge shout out to the skunk who lives in and around my home. I have a skunk that I think lives in the front porch of my landlord's place. And it does Wander into the backyard, which is where I live. And I think it is, of course, adorable. And it's so hard to have an animal that shares your space that can spray you with stink. Because I want to. Obviously, if it was a raccoon, we could make nice a little bit. Because the skunk, I can't trust it. And I wish I could communicate with it and say, trust me, we're gonna be good. But it is sort of Chekhov skunk a bit. And that I fear it's just a matter of time until one day I step outside, oops, the skunk is there. Oops, I'm sprayed. So I do fear you, and you fear me as well. But I hope that over time we can have a more amicable relationship. I don't want you to go anywhere. But my landlord, I think does. So sorry if she does something to make you leave. But I support you and your journey and I hope you don't spray me. X.O.X.O. sam.

[Perfume Genius (Mike Hadreas)]

Oh, okay.

[George Severis]

What's up, listeners? I want to give a shout out to the brand Swiffer. I have not engaged with Swiffer in a very long time. As useless as ever. I'm staying in the sublet this month. The dry one doesn't work. The wet one doesn't work. It is a really like old fashioned, kind of amazing tale of American innovation that they just decided to produce this product that does not work. And then they cornered the market. Everyone has a Swiffer in their home. It doesn't work. It doesn't pick up the dust and it doesn't mop. You need a broom and you need a mop shop to clean your floors. And yet every time, as though I was born literally yesterday, I'm like, maybe this will work. And so pretty much I really want to create a product that is like that, that is completely useless and that everyone somehow still trusts. And that is kind of the dream. That is. That is the real American dream. And everyone who has accomplished that, I have to really. I think a lot of protein powder companies are also like this, absolutely disgusting products. But somehow I'm like, maybe this time it'll be better maybe if I get the Moroccan chocolate. So shout out to American enterprise, American business, and the entire kind of system of commerce that we inhabit.

[Sam Tagliffe]

Wow.

[George Severis]

Okay.

[Sam Tagliffe]

Yeah.

[Perfume Genius (Mike Hadreas)]

Well, okay. Me shouting something out.

[Sam Tagliffe]

Yeah.

[Perfume Genius (Mike Hadreas)]

And then just doing that for a little while.

[Sam Tagliffe]

Yeah. It's basically looking.

[Perfume Genius (Mike Hadreas)]

I like Fiji, Fiji Water. I want to say hi to Fiji. Fiji Water. I think it has milky as a 7.5 ph. I think naturally it didn't add anything to it.

[George Severis]

Yeah.

[Perfume Genius (Mike Hadreas)]

Do you know what I mean? It has, like, a milky mouth feel and it feels real. I don't like smart water. I don't like. Nobody likes Dasani. What else do we got?

[George Severis]

Aquafina?

[Perfume Genius (Mike Hadreas)]

No, I like Evian. Yeah, it's fine. It's not my first choice.

[George Severis]

How's that?

[Perfume Genius (Mike Hadreas)]

That's fine. Filter tap. Filter tap.

[George Severis]

Yeah. No, Fiji does have that milky mouth feel.

[Sam Tagliffe]

Well, this has been an absolute delight. Thank you so much for doing the pod.

[Perfume Genius (Mike Hadreas)]

Yeah, thanks for having me.

[George Severis]

And listen to Glory and listen to all of. By the way. I was doing research in advance of this episode, clicked on a review of the. A very positive review of the album, and they had misspelled your name in the second paragraph. I said, music journalism is dead.

[Perfume Genius (Mike Hadreas)]

Did they do Handrius?

[George Severis]

They said Haderas. Okay.

[Perfume Genius (Mike Hadreas)]

Oh, you're Greek, right? Yeah, me too.

[George Severis]

Oh. I want to address an interaction we had approximately six years ago. You DM'd me and said, I'm Greek too. And then I was, like, stoned or something, and So I just DM'd back Marina and the Diamonds collab when. And then you responded, lol. She's Greek, right? She's Greek. You responded, lol. And then I was like. Like, I wrote.

[Sam Tagliffe]

No, you nailed that.

[George Severis]

No, I didn't. No, it was.

[Perfume Genius (Mike Hadreas)]

To me, it was such a.

[George Severis]

Like, I was like, I could have, you know, we could have developed a friendship and instead I, like, made a joke.

[Sam Tagliffe]

Oh, you're playing the long game.

[George Severis]

That's true.

[Sam Tagliffe]

Look at us now.

[George Severis]

Here we are now.

[Perfume Genius (Mike Hadreas)]

I like jokes. Yeah, jokes are fun. I like to laugh.

[George Severis]

Yes. She's Greek.

[Sam Tagliffe]

Okay.

[George Severis]

Have you ever met her?

[Perfume Genius (Mike Hadreas)]

No.

[George Severis]

Well, there's still time.

[Sam Tagliffe]

See her at the Grammys, maybe.

[Perfume Genius (Mike Hadreas)]

She might be there.

[George Severis]

Probably not.

[Sam Tagliffe]

No disrespect. No disrespect.

[George Severis]

Okay.

[Sam Tagliffe]

Okay.

[Perfume Genius (Mike Hadreas)]

Bye. Bye. Thank you.

[George Severis]

Podcast ends now for our visual learners. You can watch full video episodes on our YouTube channel and subscribe to our

[Becca Ramos]

Patreon for two extra episodes a month

[George Severis]

at patreon.com Stradiolab Stradiolab is a production

[Sam Tagliffe]

by Will Ferrell's Big Money players network and iHeart podcasts.

[George Severis]

Created and hosted by me, George Severis and Sam Tagliffe, executive produced by Jenna

[Becca Ramos]

Cagle, co produced by Becca Ramos, edited

[George Severis]

by Lauren Stumpf and mixed and mastered by Doug Behm.

[Sam Tagliffe]

Artwork by Michael Fales and Matt Grubb.

[Becca Ramos]

Theme music by Ben Kling.

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[Perfume Genius (Mike Hadreas)]

Join the movement, find your tournament and learn [e-mail] that's iflag.org this is an iHeart podcast.

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