"Sunburns" w/ Claudia O'Doherty

Summary

Podcast Summary: StraightioLab - "Sunburns" with Claudia O'Doherty

Episode Overview In the "Sunburns" episode of StraightioLab, hosts George Severis and Sam Taggart engage in a lively and intellectually charged conversation with comedian and multifaceted artist Claudia O'Doherty. The trio delves into the nuances of sunburn culture within the straight and gay communities, exploring societal norms, personal anecdotes, and the intersection of humor and cultural critique.

Key Discussions

1. Personal Journeys and Career Highlights

   Claudia begins by sharing exciting updates about her career trajectory, including upcoming stand-up performances in major cities like New York, Philadelphia, and Boston. She discusses her diverse range of projects encompassing writing, acting, radio, cinematography, and even designing shoes for character actresses. Notably, Claudia mentions her work on the soundtrack for Luca Guadagnino's upcoming hip-hop-infused film, highlighting her versatility and commitment to breaking stereotypes.

   • Claudia O'Doherty [03:28]: "I have projects lined up for most of the upcoming decade... including the soundtrack for the next Luca Guadagnino movie."

2. Navigating Fame and Social Interactions

   The conversation shifts to Claudia's experiences with fame and social interactions. She recounts amusing and awkward encounters, such as misunderstanding intentions at social gatherings and the challenges of maintaining genuine connections in the public eye. Sam shares his own story about a prolonged DM interaction leading to an unexpected face-to-face meeting, underscoring the complexities of online fame.

   • Sam Taggart [08:57]: "I have a list of projects, but I can't publicize that too much because it will remove my excuse of... I often say I've got migraines."

3. Sunburn Culture: Straight vs. Gay Communities

   The core of the episode revolves around the intriguing observation that gay men frequently avoid sunburns during beach vacations, unlike their straight counterparts who often bear the brunt of sunburns. George and Sam dissect possible reasons for this disparity, touching upon skin care routines, societal expectations, and psychological factors such as the perception of vulnerability versus invincibility.

   • George Severis [42:08]: "Gay guys speedoed, they're nude, they're in the sun all day long... rarely have I seen someone sunburned on gay vacations."

   • Sam Taggart [51:20]: "There’s so little self-reflection in the straightest of men. To reflect is gay because you're looking at a guy."

4. Stereotypes and Cultural Norms

   The trio delves into how stereotypes shape behaviors around sun protection and self-care. Claudia posits that gay men’s attention to skin care is both a form of self-preservation and a subtle form of foreplay, while straight men often perceive sun protection as a sign of weakness. They also explore how these stereotypes vary across different cultures, particularly contrasting Australian and American norms.

   • Claudia O'Doherty [48:24]: "Gay guys are conscious of skin care norms and basically use it as foreplay. Straight men feel invincible and see it as a weakness."

5. Humor as a Tool for Social Commentary

   Throughout the episode, humor serves as a vehicle for critiquing and examining societal norms. The hosts and Claudia use comedic anecdotes and exaggerated scenarios to highlight the absurdities within both straight and gay cultures, making the conversation both entertaining and thought-provoking.

   • Claudia O'Doherty [52:17]: "Imagine lifeguards at nude beaches encouraging sunscreen application in the most awkward ways."

Insights and Conclusions

• Cultural Responsibility: The episode underscores the importance of cultural responsibility in promoting self-care practices, especially within communities where such behaviors are either stigmatized or celebrated.

• Breaking Stereotypes: By juxtaposing straight and gay approaches to sun protection, the conversation reveals underlying societal pressures and stereotypes that influence personal habits and self-perception.

• Humor as Reflection: Utilizing humor allows for a lighter exploration of serious topics, encouraging listeners to reflect on their own behaviors and societal norms without feeling confronted.

Notable Quotes

• Claudia O'Doherty [03:28]: "I'll be workshopping some of it and reworking some other parts and sanding out the rough edges. It'll be really fun."

• George Severis [42:08]: "Gay guys are speedoed, they're nude, they're in the sun all day long... rarely have I seen someone sunburned on gay vacations."

• Sam Taggart [51:20]: "There’s so little self-reflection in the straightest of men. To reflect is gay because you're looking at a guy."

• Claudia O'Doherty [48:24]: "Gay guys are conscious of skin care norms and basically use it as foreplay. Straight men feel invincible and see it as a weakness."

• George Severis [52:05]: "Sometimes I'm like, when gay guys sexualize putting on sunscreen, sometimes I'm like, enough."

Closing Thoughts The "Sunburns" episode of StraightioLab masterfully blends comedy with social analysis, offering listeners a fresh perspective on cultural practices surrounding sun protection. Claudia O'Doherty's diverse experiences and candid storytelling enrich the conversation, making this episode a compelling listen for anyone interested in the intersections of humor, culture, and personal care.

Transcript

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[Claudia Doherty]

Hootie hoo everybody. This is George with some show announcements. If you are in New York, Philly or Boston, you have a few more chances to see the hour of standup that I have been touring on and off for the last year and a half. This will be the last time I do this material before I tape it in April so I would love to see some of you there. I'll be workshopping some of it and reworking some other parts and sanding out the rough edges. It'll be really fun. So if you are in New York, I'll be at Union hall on March 5th and 6th and then I'll be at Joe's Pub on Monday March 24th. And if you're in Philly, I'll be at Philamoca March 12th. And if you're in Boston in the Boston area I'll be in Somerville at The Rockwell on March 20, there is an early show at 7 and a late show at 9. I have had such a great time touring this hour over the last few months. Thank you to everyone that has already come. Like I said, will be the last time I do it. And then I can't wait to write new stuff and I can't wait to tour again. And that's pretty much it. You can find [e-mail] George Severis and it's in my Instagram bio and everywhere else where you might think it will be. And that is it for me. Enjoy the episode. Love ya.

[George Severis]

Okay, podcast starts now. What's up, everyone around the globe? You're listening to Stradio Lab. We are here live in Los Angeles. I'm here with George Severis, who. I'm gonna blow up his spot. Just had lunch with his manager in Los Angeles, California. I wanna know how that felt. Tell me everything.

[Claudia Doherty]

So you know, we are recording two in studio episodes today. And there was a like hour and a half in between.

[George Severis]

Of course.

[Claudia Doherty]

I ran to a power lunch spot. We're talking grain bowls. We're talking.

[George Severis]

How many teenies did you have?

[Claudia Doherty]

Too many to count.

[Sam Taggart]

Am I to talk?

[Claudia Doherty]

No.

[Sam Taggart]

Okay. Yeah, I'm not talking. Okay, good. Sorry. You're just making eye contact with me. It's really confusing.

[George Severis]

Well, you're only audience we're looking for. Yeah, Gratification.

[Claudia Doherty]

When we. When we look at you, you have to.

[Sam Taggart]

Gratification. That's correct. You keep going. For lunch.

[Claudia Doherty]

I had a power lunch with my manager. She said we're closing all the deals.

[George Severis]

Amazing.

[Claudia Doherty]

She said we actually have your career set for the next six years. I have projects lined up.

[George Severis]

Yeah.

[Claudia Doherty]

From now.

[George Severis]

That's awesome.

[Claudia Doherty]

Through the nec, I have projects lined up for most of the upcoming decade.

[George Severis]

I knew that would happen for you.

[Claudia Doherty]

And it's really diversified too. Writing, acting, radio. Radio. A lot of cinematography work, which I do sometimes.

[George Severis]

Club appearances.

[Claudia Doherty]

Club appearances, Club music, A lot of sound mixing. I'm actually doing the soundtrack for the next a Luca Guadagnino movie.

[George Severis]

Oh, my gosh.

[Claudia Doherty]

It's gonna be all hardcore hip hop, which people wouldn't think of me for that. But I actually do have that in my. It's in my wheelhouse and it has been for years.

[George Severis]

You have a background. You have a background.

[Claudia Doherty]

And so I'm doing that. And then I'm also doing some red carpet interviews. Yeah. For Tubi, I'm doing the Tubi Awards. It's awards that they give to just employees of. To be the corporation.

[George Severis]

Yeah, yeah.

[Claudia Doherty]

It's not anyone famous. And so it's like, best meeting that they had.

[George Severis]

Best hr.

[Claudia Doherty]

Best hr. Best snack. Someone brought like a big meeting.

[George Severis]

Oh, for a birthday.

[Claudia Doherty]

For a birthday. Like donuts. Best donut from a donut place that they brought.

[George Severis]

That's awesome.

[Claudia Doherty]

And so that actually pays, weirdly, even better than the Guadagnino project.

[George Severis]

Yeah, well, that's for the love of the game.

[Claudia Doherty]

That's for the. And I do.

[George Severis]

I mean, the game of hip hop, of course.

[Claudia Doherty]

And I do one for me, one for them. So I do one project that's like for the masses. And then I'll do something super indie. I'm actually designing the shoes worn by only character actresses who go grocery shopping.

[George Severis]

Oh, my gosh. Congrats.

[Claudia Doherty]

Thank you.

[George Severis]

Can I say something? What the hell is Luca Guadagnino's deal? How is this bitch making so many movies?

[Claudia Doherty]

Oh, I see what you're saying. How is he so prolific?

[George Severis]

How is that. It's. How is this bitch making so many movies?

[Claudia Doherty]

Yeah, yeah. And they're all actually very different if you think about it.

[George Severis]

Of course. I mean, you know, in a sense, there's always the theme of what if a guy was hot and gay?

[Claudia Doherty]

What if a guy was hot and gay? And what if a woman was kind of insane?

[George Severis]

Of course. And what if the scene was beautiful? And what if we were on vacation?

[Claudia Doherty]

Yes.

[George Severis]

But I'm like. I'm genuinely like, how? Like not. I'm like, sorry to call him a loser, but I'm like, make a friend. Like, you need to.

[Claudia Doherty]

You know what, though? He actually also has a lot of friends. No, big fashion designers.

[George Severis]

Oh, my God.

[Claudia Doherty]

All his friends are big fashion designers. And he's always wearing wide legged pants. Don't give me storage.

[George Severis]

Well, to be honest, it's obviously coming from a place of jealousy.

[Claudia Doherty]

And of course, we should have his career. Hello.

[George Severis]

Hello. I know gay guys.

[Claudia Doherty]

Yeah. I have the same exact visual sensibility as him. And I've been. I could make those movies literally shot for shot, and without being inspired by him, by the way, I would think of it on my own. I could have made Call Me by youy Name Today.

[George Severis]

It would be easy.

[Claudia Doherty]

I would have made it in 2012. Honestly, I would have made it with half the budgeting. And by the way, this was, you know, because a lot of my funding comes from the country of Greece, my origin. But when I had the idea, it was in the thick of the financial collapse. Now that it's on the up and up, I actually could get the funding.

[George Severis]

And I do think that he has something where I'm like, you know, he sort of. You know, I feel like in my 20s, I was like, you know, lorne Michaels, please notice me. You know, my 30s, it's all about Luca Guadagnino.

[Claudia Doherty]

Please notice me. Well, he's the Luca Guadagnino of gay guys who are now 35 and not 25.

[George Severis]

Yeah. Yeah. So I really just want to get plucked out of obscurity by Luca.

[Claudia Doherty]

It would be sort of cool if Luca just, like, directed a straighter lab Live, I think it wouldn't be the.

[George Severis]

You know, I'd take my shirt off.

[Claudia Doherty]

Oh, I would. I would take my underwear off in a heartbeat just to go to the meeting. I would show up to the meeting. I would show up to the lunch place, get a. And I would take my cock out, and I would say, I'll have a.

[George Severis]

Coach egg on top simulate sex on you.

[Claudia Doherty]

Oh, of course. Anyway, so speaking of industry titans, I have to say this is someone who I've wanted to have on for, like, honestly, as long as I've had the idea for call me by your name.

[George Severis]

Which is a long time.

[Claudia Doherty]

Which is a long time. It actually started before the podcast. My entire plan with starting a podcast was that one day I would have this person on.

[George Severis]

Well, please.

[Claudia Doherty]

And I actually do want to say, speaking of 2012, that even though what I just said was a joke, it actually isn't, because I distinctly remember watching the show Love on Netflix and quite literally being like, who the actual is this comedic genius and how do I befriend her in approximately 12 years?

[George Severis]

And your plan worked.

[Claudia Doherty]

And my plan worked. So please welcome Claudio Doherty.

[Sam Taggart]

Thank you. You did it.

[Claudia Doherty]

No, but I'm not even kidding.

[Sam Taggart]

Well, I know.

[Claudia Doherty]

Yeah.

[Sam Taggart]

Because we are friends.

[Claudia Doherty]

Yeah. No, I'm saying I'm not kidding about the. Yes, we are friends now.

[George Severis]

But he's not kidding about, like.

[Claudia Doherty]

Can I ask you something?

[Sam Taggart]

Yeah.

[Claudia Doherty]

Okay. This is a legitimate question. Do people, like, I just did. Think they're, like, the only one that discovered you on that show? And they're like, what's something crazy about me is that I thought you were so good on Love.

[Sam Taggart]

Oh, yeah.

[Claudia Doherty]

You know what I mean?

[Sam Taggart]

Yeah. I mean, well, sort of. I mean, I just sound like I'm cheating my own.

[Claudia Doherty]

Sure, sure, sure. Okay. Sorry. That was an unfair. I just mean, it's like. I feel like it's, like, the kind of thing that people think everyone thinks they discovered.

[Sam Taggart]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[George Severis]

So. So just to, like, internally, when George was like, you know, I loved you on love.

[Claudia Doherty]

Like, here she goes.

[George Severis]

Is this sort of what you're doing internally?

[Sam Taggart]

No, I like it. I do like it. I think it's really.

[George Severis]

For those who know, I rolled my eyes.

[Claudia Doherty]

Sam rolled his eyes.

[Sam Taggart]

But people kind of think also it means, like, often, like, I will say, I often play sort of, like friendly morons. Like, that is sort of my bread and butter.

[Claudia Doherty]

Sure.

[Sam Taggart]

And so people sort of do assume that I am friendlier than I perhaps am in real life. But then I'm also. I am kind of friendly.

[Claudia Doherty]

You are pretty friendly.

[George Severis]

I would argue you're pretty friendly.

[Sam Taggart]

Yeah. Yeah, maybe. I am. Sure.

[Claudia Doherty]

The first time we met, actually, I think I had recently gotten engaged and we had just met that day, and. And you, like, with this true. Like, as though we'd been friends for years. You were just like, so how. What's it like being engaged?

[Sam Taggart]

Well, I do. And I.

[Claudia Doherty]

And I was. And no part of me. I was like, I'm in it. Like, we are officially, like, we're skipping the part.

[Sam Taggart]

Well, I was really excited to get the proposal story.

[Claudia Doherty]

Yes, that's right, the proposal. That's what it was.

[Sam Taggart]

And you kind of didn't think I was seriously asking you. Like, why would you want to know that? It's like, because what a crazy. What a crazy situation to ask someone.

[George Severis]

Two guys.

[Sam Taggart]

Two guys together.

[Claudia Doherty]

And you had never heard that before. Yeah. And that's sort of what you were asking. I thought you were, like, excited to. To talk about the story, but you just had never heard of. This is crazy.

[George Severis]

Let's roll this back.

[Claudia Doherty]

And you were kind of like. You kept saying, who was the woman? So. To a woman.

[George Severis]

So. To a woman.

[Claudia Doherty]

Yeah.

[Sam Taggart]

Well, it's just like, what a scary. What a scary thing to do.

[Claudia Doherty]

Be gay.

[Sam Taggart]

To. Yeah. Absolutely terrifying. But to ask someone that.

[Claudia Doherty]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Sam Taggart]

And you. You did, like, a proper not.

[Claudia Doherty]

I don't.

[Sam Taggart]

I don't know how secret it is. Like, a proper.

[Claudia Doherty]

Like, I did say, will you marry me?

[Sam Taggart]

Will you marry me? And also, like, the other person doesn't know it. Sorry. Yes. He didn't know that day. So it's like. That's, like. Makes me feel sick, but in a nice way.

[Claudia Doherty]

You know what's funny, though? Like, the idea that. The idea that you would ever do that and actually not be sure that you would get a yes is so funny.

[George Severis]

That's wild.

[Sam Taggart]

Yeah.

[Claudia Doherty]

And. And some people, I think, because they've been brainwashed by, like, film and tv, actually think that's, like, the Way to do it.

[Sam Taggart]

Yes.

[Claudia Doherty]

Especially, like, guys.

[Sam Taggart]

Oh. And in public. Yes. Which is, like, illegal.

[Claudia Doherty]

And literally being like, I hope she says yes.

[Sam Taggart]

Yeah. And it's like, she might not. We don't actually know each other enough for me to know if she's interested in such a thing. But, I mean, we've never talked about marriage. And it's like, that is. I mean, that is spooky stuff. That's really crazy. Should be examined.

[George Severis]

Yeah.

[Sam Taggart]

And to me, that does feel straight.

[George Severis]

Yeah. But when I hear. That's like. There's part of me that's, like, turned on by that. Like a guy. A guy who's like. Who's like, I'm gonna propose. I have no idea what she's gonna say, but I'm gonna propose. I'm like, that's kind of hot.

[Claudia Doherty]

And then, of course, on the other side of things, there's the sort of archetype of the girl who's like, why isn't he proposing?

[Sam Taggart]

Yes.

[Claudia Doherty]

Well, he has no idea she's thinking that.

[Sam Taggart]

And that's also a huge worry.

[Claudia Doherty]

Yes.

[Sam Taggart]

And that is. You know, that is really a big problem in the straight community. In the community is the lack of communication. But they do think that that is. I mean, I am a member of that community.

[Claudia Doherty]

Yeah.

[George Severis]

Yeah.

[Sam Taggart]

But often they do think that is. They can't talk to each other.

[Claudia Doherty]

Yeah.

[George Severis]

It's crazy.

[Sam Taggart]

Is that getting better?

[George Severis]

I don't know.

[Sam Taggart]

I mean, a little bit, maybe. But also. No. I mean, because I brought in quite a few straight topics.

[Claudia Doherty]

Okay.

[Sam Taggart]

Allowed to say them.

[George Severis]

No, not yet.

[Claudia Doherty]

Not yet.

[Sam Taggart]

Okay.

[Claudia Doherty]

But now I'm excited. I forgot to ask you. Usually we'll ask before recording. What's your straight topic? But now I'm so excited.

[George Severis]

Ye. We were so busy talking about my.

[Sam Taggart]

In a number.

[Claudia Doherty]

Excuse me. We literally had to cut an entire segment because you didn't want it to be public. Now you're bring it up again.

[George Severis]

Well, now I'm bringing up as more of a tease with less, with no details.

[Sam Taggart]

No, that's good. It's good to tease.

[Claudia Doherty]

Yeah, that's true. Yeah. Well, as we've heard, it's very good to tease.

[Sam Taggart]

Oh, can I also point out, I know my hair is in a rectangle shape today.

[Claudia Doherty]

Rectangle.

[Sam Taggart]

Yeah. I would never call this rectangle side. It's gone rectangle, like there. And I couldn't fix it. And I don't. I know. I'm really not seeing that these days. Every podcast, you're on camera.

[Claudia Doherty]

Listen, don't. On the one hand, we Obviously relate to what you're saying. On the other hand, like, we have to do video. I flew to Los Angeles.

[George Severis]

We have to.

[Sam Taggart]

Of course. No. And I'm thrilled to get my face out there. But I also, you know, it does mean that if your hair looks weird, you have to feel bad a little bit because it will be committed to film. And I'm not blaming you guys.

[Claudia Doherty]

You have a cat eye.

[Sam Taggart]

Well, yeah, but I often do.

[Claudia Doherty]

Do you? Oh, my sister's like, my youngest sister is one of the. Because it's a type of woman that's like, oh, I'm going out, going to the bathroom, literally 15 seconds. Cat eye.

[Sam Taggart]

Well, because I'm gonna be filmed for a freaking podcast.

[Claudia Doherty]

But I just mean that's your go to eye makeup.

[Sam Taggart]

Well, yeah, because I like the 60s and also I've got round eyes.

[George Severis]

So you have to draw them out.

[Claudia Doherty]

Oh, I guess my sister's like that too.

[Sam Taggart]

That's what it does.

[Claudia Doherty]

Do you ever have body dysmorphia about having round eyes?

[Sam Taggart]

No, I think it's good. Beautiful. It's cartoon like.

[George Severis]

Sure.

[Sam Taggart]

I'm gonna always want to put a cat eye on.

[Claudia Doherty]

I'm only. I've never considered eye shape as like a source of. As something. No, no. Even just like, oh, you're pear shaped or apple shaped. I didn't know that also actually extended to eyes.

[Sam Taggart]

Oh, they'll. They'll make you feel weird about anything. Now the new thing is, is like, if your face is high or low contrast.

[George Severis]

What's that?

[Sam Taggart]

This is the. I mean, I don't quite understand it, but I would guess you have a low contrast face.

[George Severis]

Don't say that. Don't say that.

[Sam Taggart]

And then you could also be medium contrast.

[George Severis]

What does it mean?

[Sam Taggart]

So I guess a high. I actually don't even quite know. I don't understand it. I haven't explored it, but I think the. Like, actually I shouldn't be wearing black eyeliner because I've got brown hair. So it's like you should be wearing.

[Claudia Doherty]

Like euphoria, like white eyeliner.

[Sam Taggart]

No, I think the idea is, it's like not an idea. It's just like a new way to make people buy things, especially girls. But it's like low contrast is like you're sort of a sandy blonde, a blue eye. It's all in a similar palette. Whereas, like, George over here. I don't know.

[Lenovo Advertiser]

Medium.

[Claudia Doherty]

I think I'm medium. I think I'm medium because it's like.

[George Severis]

Suddenly you're an expert on contrast.

[Claudia Doherty]

I know, because I'll tell you why. My skin color is like medium. It's like olive skin. Like, I'm not pale, but I'm also not dark. I'm Greek.

[Sam Taggart]

Yeah.

[Claudia Doherty]

And then my eyes are neither dark nor. I don't have light blue eyes, but they're sort of like greenish.

[Sam Taggart]

Stormy Green.

[Claudia Doherty]

Stormy Green. Stormy Green is the definition of medium.

[Amica Insurance Advertiser]

Absolutely.

[Claudia Doherty]

So I think. I mean, so I don't even know what.

[George Severis]

I'm not agreeing. I'm sorry, you're not agreeing. Stormy Green, the definition of medium.

[Claudia Doherty]

You don't have Stormy in the title. But I just mean like light.

[George Severis]

Stormy is an extreme weather on the.

[Claudia Doherty]

One and you have light, light Bl on the other end. You have pitch black. Wouldn't a dark green be in the middle?

[Sam Taggart]

I would agree with you.

[George Severis]

Okay, interesting.

[Claudia Doherty]

Wow. I'm really good at debate.

[George Severis]

Just the language. I was.

[Claudia Doherty]

No, of course. Stormy Green sounds more violent than anything.

[Sam Taggart]

What is good is none of us really know what we're talking about in terms of the contrast faces.

[Claudia Doherty]

You know, it's funny, I'm like. I do. Yeah, you do.

[Sam Taggart]

You have the confidence.

[Claudia Doherty]

You know, I like, immediately I'm on board with the high contrast, low contrast, and medium contrast that I'm like. I could literally do everyone's makeup here and you would all look fucking snatched.

[Sam Taggart]

By the time I stopped paint our faces.

[George Severis]

We're reshooting. Calling by your name. George is shooting it and doing the makeup.

[Claudia Doherty]

Do you think Call Me by youy Name worked? Because Army Hammer was low contrast.

[Sam Taggart]

And Timothy, he is so high contrast, it's crazy. Yeah, he's Edward Scissorhands.

[George Severis]

He's high contrast.

[Sam Taggart]

High contrast.

[George Severis]

Wow.

[Sam Taggart]

Well, we figured it out.

[George Severis]

We figured it out. Now I fully get it. I'm going to start accusing people of being low and high conscious. Is one more desirable than the other? I just want to know if there's.

[Claudia Doherty]

Well, now we're getting into full blown, just racism.

[Sam Taggart]

I think I've like, not ever watched. I've never watched a video about it, but I've seen the like the first like 5 to 10 seconds of a video about it. So that's all I really understand.

[Claudia Doherty]

Are there videos that are longer than 10 seconds? I haven't seen one.

[Sam Taggart]

Tell you.

[Claudia Doherty]

Yeah, I'm actually pitching a really amazing. One of my many projects is a 10 second video.

[Sam Taggart]

I think that's a great idea.

[Claudia Doherty]

Yeah, it's in development right now.

[George Severis]

Really?

[Claudia Doherty]

Yeah, it's all cgi, but I think it'll be really good. And it's based on the. How To Train youn Dragon series.

[Sam Taggart]

Oh, good.

[Claudia Doherty]

Yeah. But the dragon is, like, really good. That's gonna be, like, honestly, like, offense, like, slutty, offensive, gay. Just, like, constantly showing his asshole. Like, bending over and showing his asshole.

[Sam Taggart]

And I think we both know dragon. Those dragons are medium contrast.

[Claudia Doherty]

Yes.

[Sam Taggart]

Yeah, those are medium.

[Claudia Doherty]

I think the dragon in Shrek is high contrast. She's like, the main head bitch in charge. Okay. And then I think, like, obviously, like, an albino lizard or something is very low contrast.

[Sam Taggart]

Low contrast.

[George Severis]

Interesting. I'm still trying to make sense of it all, but that's okay.

[Claudia Doherty]

No, go ahead.

[George Severis]

Sorry.

[Claudia Doherty]

No. My body language was unnecessarily aggressive.

[George Severis]

No. Well, I wasn't sure if you wanted to direct the conversation somewhere.

[Sam Taggart]

Luca Guadin.

[Claudia Doherty]

You didn't know if I was going. Luca mode.

[Sam Taggart]

Yeah. Wait, how do you say his last name?

[Claudia Doherty]

It's. We are, actually. I was corrected. Not Sam. I was corrected by either voicemail or commenter. Anyway, I used to say Guadagnino, but it's Guadagnino.

[George Severis]

Me know I did.

[Claudia Doherty]

Which is actually clear when you see it spelled. I just had never, like, really paid attention.

[George Severis]

Claudia, I have the most boring story also to say about your friendliness that, you know, should have maybe gone before George's, because there's even less to it. But the way I. I was actually internally debating because I was like this. Actually, there's no beginning, middle, and end to this story, so what is the point of saying it? And then I was like, well, because it's in my head and it's all I can think about.

[Sam Taggart]

Great.

[George Severis]

But basically, I remember being at Sandy Hoenig's birthday party.

[Sam Taggart]

Oh, yeah, this is cute.

[George Severis]

And you came up to me and you said, hi, and I said, h. You said, I'm Claudia because we follow.

[Sam Taggart]

Each other on social media.

[Claudia Doherty]

You're like, hello. Why are you talking to me?

[Sam Taggart]

You have some kind of a. Hello, I'm Claudia. I do think we were all meant to go for dinner last year, and then you couldn't come.

[George Severis]

I couldn't come.

[Sam Taggart]

Pat told me this, and I got.

[George Severis]

Replaced by John early. I was recast.

[Claudia Doherty]

So this is the dinner that I want. Yeah.

[Sam Taggart]

By another low contrast guy. Yeah.

[George Severis]

Yeah.

[Sam Taggart]

And. But here's the thing. So. Well, shall I retell the story from my perspective? Please. Maybe you can tell.

[George Severis]

No, but I remember being positive. But keep going.

[Sam Taggart]

Okay. So we followed each other. We'd nearly gone for dinner. So I know who you are. Here I go crazy thinking, you know who I am. Why would you why would you, though? And that afternoon, I was walking down the street, and I saw you, and I gave you a big smile because I was like, well, there's Sam.

[Claudia Doherty]

Great.

[Sam Taggart]

We'll meet in real life finally. And I gave you a big smile, and you scowled at me.

[Claudia Doherty]

You were like, did you not recognize me?

[Sam Taggart]

I didn't recognize you.

[Claudia Doherty]

And then did you.

[Sam Taggart]

Later that night, by pure coincidence, we were at the same party.

[Claudia Doherty]

Oh, so that interaction just ended with him scowling?

[Sam Taggart]

Yeah. And I thought, oh, okay, I scowled.

[George Severis]

At you, or was I just, like, scowling at General?

[Sam Taggart]

So then when you saw him at me, because I was like, big smile. So I guess this maybe is what happening. What's happening? Anytime a fan sees you on the street and it's like, oh, my God, it's Sam Taggett, and they give you a big smile, and you're like, get out of here. Yuck.

[George Severis]

I do remember. No, I do remember spitting on someone that day.

[Claudia Doherty]

I just.

[George Severis]

I hadn't realized it was you.

[Claudia Doherty]

What happens so often?

[Sam Taggart]

So I got scowled.

[Claudia Doherty]

It's women, actually. It's like when women look at Sam, he's like, I don't like your kind.

[Sam Taggart]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. So you scowled. But then we got to meet that night, so I got to confront you, obviously, and said, you scowled at me.

[Claudia Doherty]

That was where the energy of. I'm Claudia. That's where that came from. Because you had already been rejected.

[Sam Taggart]

I would never just. Just start with that. That would be crazy.

[George Severis]

Instagram is complicated.

[Claudia Doherty]

Oh, my God, here we go.

[Sam Taggart]

Okay. It's a visual medium, suddenly, so that would give you some facial recognition. Unless you don't have facial recognition, which is a.

[Claudia Doherty]

Recognition, which is a disability.

[George Severis]

Sometimes I'm. I do think sometimes I'm lacking in it.

[Sam Taggart]

Well, on this day, you were, for sure.

[Claudia Doherty]

I think you know what Claudia looks like.

[George Severis]

See, I'm so glad I brought this story up because. Because there is actually a lot of meat here. And to be honest, there's something where. When you were coming in today, I was like, I will remember what she looks like. Correct.

[Claudia Doherty]

Sorry.

[Sam Taggart]

What am I such a chameleon? Do I look so different on camera?

[Claudia Doherty]

No, you are literally a once. You're Brigitte Bardot. You are. You are one of the most memorable women.

[Sam Taggart]

Thank you, George. But so. So how did you feel when I walked in today? I mean, you.

[George Severis]

I said, thank God. I remember.

[Sam Taggart]

I remember. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And also, you'd had emails saying I.

[Claudia Doherty]

Would come, but again, he doesn't. That doesn't register.

[George Severis]

But I do. I I have. I often Google people before we, like, meet up with them. Because I'm like, just to remember. Just to remember.

[Sam Taggart]

So I guess when you follow someone on Instagram, you, like, you put. No, you don't.

[George Severis]

Like, if I know I'm gonna see them, I'll scroll through the pics.

[Sam Taggart]

Yeah.

[George Severis]

But if not.

[Claudia Doherty]

I think maybe you do less, like browsing on Instagram, just.

[Sam Taggart]

Like Ambulance, which is actually good. Which is definitely none of us should be having.

[Claudia Doherty]

So often I find myself just like sort of vaguely being like, what has this person been up to the last three years? My manager said you should be doing more front facing.

[George Severis]

Like, literally.

[Sam Taggart]

They're probably right.

[Claudia Doherty]

Because I told her, I said, you know, actually, would you ever represent Claudia? She said, I barely know what she looks like. She doesn't do front facing.

[Sam Taggart]

Exactly.

[George Severis]

I do it. There's like, I need to see, like, one a day.

[Sam Taggart]

Yeah. Instead of zero ever. So I should probably do that. It is my fault. It is my fault. But I'd had a very similar experience with the on street scowl. And I think I told you this story at the time. There is this man who has been DMing me for about eight years. Don't make this the clip from the podcast.

[George Severis]

Okay.

[Sam Taggart]

Okay. So he's like. He's an actor and he has been DMing me for about eight years, and I've been ignoring him on multiple platforms the entire time. I've never met him in real life. It was like he followed me on something. I followed him back. So I was like, oh, I know who this person is. You know, and probably, you know, someone we would recognize.

[George Severis]

I'm gonna guess Lucas Gage.

[Sam Taggart]

No, but we do. I think we do follow each other, but no, I think this is a stream.

[Claudia Doherty]

Yeah, we can't. You can't. You know, it used to be you could use Lucas Gage as a punchline. Not anymore.

[Sam Taggart]

And isn't that name so similar to Luca Guadagnino? Yeah, when you think about it, the beginnings are really similar. So this guy did. And so he DMed me for many years. I always ignored. And one day I was walking down the street. My parents live in Australia. And by crazy coincidence, he was walking towards me and I was like, wow, what do I do? Also, I used to think I had the power on Instagram to open messages and then make it look like I'd never opened them. Do you have this on your Instagram.

[George Severis]

Where you could be like, not mark. Don't mark as seen or whatever?

[Sam Taggart]

Yeah. Do you know that that's not real? Do you know that?

[George Severis]

I did not know this.

[Sam Taggart]

So for the other person, they can see that you've seen it. It's for you to be like, oh, I must remember to respond to this. Yes, I know. That's how I felt. So for about. For many years, I was opening messages straight away, and then I would swipe back across. Yeah. And ignore. For years.

[Claudia Doherty]

Is he Australian?

[Sam Taggart]

We can't get into these specifics, but yes.

[George Severis]

Okay.

[Claudia Doherty]

Okay. So that's a little less.

[George Severis]

That changes things slightly.

[Sam Taggart]

Yes. That he would be on the street. It's not creepy that he was on street. It's a very weird coincidence because it's like a residential street.

[George Severis]

Yeah.

[Sam Taggart]

No one's on that street.

[Claudia Doherty]

It's very sort of America centric to be like, oh, well, that makes sense. I mean, he was in Australia, a large country.

[George Severis]

He was on the Australian street.

[Sam Taggart]

Australia.

[Claudia Doherty]

Sort of the main one. The main boulevard in Australia.

[Sam Taggart]

But I was like, in it. I was like, what do I do? Because I've, like, opened. I've opened so many messages from this person. I've never. I actually. I don't know if at that stage I knew that he knew that I'd been opening the messages, but I'd been pretending that I was not opening them.

[Claudia Doherty]

I just want to tell you, this has all the makings of a story that later on, a guest will be like, hey, can you guys cut that, by the way?

[George Severis]

We're not cutting.

[Sam Taggart]

I just. I think it's okay because, like, I have no ill will towards this person. And, you know, I was like, okay, so what's my approach? I will just really smile at him because, like, like, I. There's no denying we follow each other.

[Claudia Doherty]

Yeah.

[Sam Taggart]

I'm gonna also delete my Instagram this afternoon so no one can figure out who this is. Oh, no. I'm just realizing how bad. It's not that bad. It's fine.

[Claudia Doherty]

It's literally fine.

[Sam Taggart]

But, like, so he. So I was like, I'll just give him a big smile because I'll just be like, I guess I'm just not the kind of person who opens messages and huge smile. And he also scowled. He had. He did not recognize in real life either. So it does. Like, maybe I need to look more like something.

[George Severis]

It's trending.

[Claudia Doherty]

You need to get.

[George Severis]

You need to stop using Facetunes.

[Claudia Doherty]

Get surgery to look more like what people think you look like.

[Sam Taggart]

Exactly.

[Claudia Doherty]

Ask everyone. Ask a caricature artist to draw what to. To draw what people think you look like.

[Sam Taggart]

Well, usually I play a kind of characters who wear overalls. So maybe, like, that's it. I should be wearing. That is such a type of friendly idiot who wears overalls.

[Claudia Doherty]

Yeah, I guess you should start wearing more overalls. Maybe have a little, like.

[Sam Taggart]

I don't want to.

[Claudia Doherty]

Yeah, have some haze sticking out of your hair.

[George Severis]

Well, I want to publicly apologize.

[Sam Taggart]

Okay.

[George Severis]

For scowling. Wow, that was not cool.

[Sam Taggart]

I don't think I've ever been, like, apologized to on a podcast. Do you know what I mean?

[Claudia Doherty]

I don't think I have either.

[George Severis]

I don't think I have. No. Jeremy apologized to me.

[Claudia Doherty]

That's true. That was huge.

[Sam Taggart]

What did he do?

[George Severis]

Jeremy Harris was my high school bully.

[Sam Taggart]

Oh, my God, that's way worse.

[Claudia Doherty]

And he came on the podcast and apologized.

[George Severis]

But, yeah, I'm swearing scalability.

[Sam Taggart]

You're my bully. You're my bully.

[George Severis]

I'm your LA bully.

[Sam Taggart]

Wow. You really are. Okay, I accept the apology. Wow, that was cool.

[Claudia Doherty]

That's really cool.

[George Severis]

Damn.

[Claudia Doherty]

Should we do our first segment?

[George Severis]

I think we should. That is crazy that I brought that up and then it was so fruitful. Slash made me look bad.

[Sam Taggart]

But no, it's so good to just, like, show your audience all the shades of your personality. You might scowl.

[Claudia Doherty]

You know, when you were like, we're running out of parts of our personality show.

[George Severis]

When you were like, you know, people think I'm so nice. Cause they play these nice characters. Then you're like, oh, and actually, I am nice. I'm sort of the opposite, I think, where people think I'm nice because I'm nice. On the podcast, I thought you were.

[Sam Taggart]

Nice even when I was. That's why I smiled at you mentally.

[George Severis]

But then in life, I'm scowling.

[Sam Taggart]

Yeah, you do scowler well, which is interesting because you don't. You're.

[Claudia Doherty]

And I actually think I am.

[George Severis]

You're way nice.

[Claudia Doherty]

Profusely nice in social situations, whereas people think I'm a huge asshole.

[Sam Taggart]

Why?

[Claudia Doherty]

You know, I like, sort of lean into that a little bit.

[Sam Taggart]

Interesting. Okay, Interesting.

[Claudia Doherty]

Like, it's like I'm being, like, almost like aloof and standoffish or something. As my famous character that I play when I do stand up comedy. And then people meet me. Yes. And then people who meet me and they say, ugh, now he is a doll.

[Sam Taggart]

George, you're so friendly. Yeah, but actually, the scowler, I've got.

[George Severis]

Some work to do.

[Sam Taggart]

But here, look at you, smiling, being nice.

[George Severis]

Well, it's. Well, the cameras are on.

[Claudia Doherty]

The cameras are rolling.

[Sam Taggart]

Cameras are on.

[George Severis]

Guys, it's not real. I'm Nice.

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[Claudia Doherty]

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[George Severis]

Okay Claudia, our first segment is called Straight Shooters and in this segment we're going to gauge your familiarity with and complicity in straight culture.

[Sam Taggart]

Okay, great.

[George Severis]

By asking you a series of rapid fire questions, it's basically this thing or this other thing and the only rule is you can't ask a single follow up question or we'll scream at you as loud as possible.

[Claudia Doherty]

You can't ask anything about It.

[George Severis]

Get ready to get scowled up harder than you could ever imagine.

[Claudia Doherty]

I know. A synchronized scowl. You're asked Claudia. Singing off tempo or buca di Beppo?

[Sam Taggart]

Ooh. Am I allowed to offend?

[George Severis]

That's a question.

[Sam Taggart]

Okay. Singing off tempo.

[George Severis]

Okay.

[Sam Taggart]

Okay.

[George Severis]

Winning Best actress or feeling most gaseous?

[Sam Taggart]

Feeling most gaseous.

[Claudia Doherty]

Being anti vax.

[Sam Taggart]

Uh huh.

[Claudia Doherty]

Or deleting HBO Max.

[Sam Taggart]

Being anti vax.

[George Severis]

Okay. A urologist or a big long piss?

[Sam Taggart]

Urologist.

[Claudia Doherty]

Roberto Benini. Or espresso martini.

[George Severis]

Yum.

[Sam Taggart]

I know Benini.

[George Severis]

Okay. Dr. Scholz. Or being a doctor. That's goals.

[Sam Taggart]

Dr. Scholls.

[Claudia Doherty]

The hand that rocks the cradle or the marvelous Mrs. Maisel.

[George Severis]

Oh.

[Sam Taggart]

Oh, Maisel. Yeah.

[George Severis]

Okay. Abracadabra or have a banana.

[Sam Taggart]

Abracadabra.

[George Severis]

Yeah, yeah. No, that's true.

[Claudia Doherty]

Potassium.

[George Severis]

Seriously?

[Sam Taggart]

I have high potassium.

[Claudia Doherty]

Oh. So you don't need to eat bananas. In fact, they would be actively harmful.

[Sam Taggart]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Claudia Doherty]

Wow.

[Sam Taggart]

I don't know.

[Claudia Doherty]

Do you crave bananas?

[Sam Taggart]

Is that bad? No, I don't care about bananas.

[Claudia Doherty]

Really.

[George Severis]

Oh.

[Claudia Doherty]

See, I love a banana.

[George Severis]

I love bananas.

[Claudia Doherty]

And actually your sweater is kind of a banana and it has made me crave a banana.

[Sam Taggart]

I think there's a stain on it, but I can't.

[Claudia Doherty]

No.

[Sam Taggart]

Can you tell?

[Claudia Doherty]

No, I don't see any.

[Sam Taggart]

Well, I got a dry clean for the first time and now it smells weird.

[George Severis]

Oh no.

[Sam Taggart]

Is that. Is that something happens, George.

[Claudia Doherty]

I actually smells. So. I recently bought a perfect pair of vintage jeans.

[Sam Taggart]

Wow.

[Claudia Doherty]

Took them home, realized they imagine someone smoking cigarettes every day for like three decades and only blowing onto these jeans. That's what they smell like. And I'm not even. I'll have an occasional cigarette. Like I'm not a especially sensitive, but to. I. I felt ill and so I had to. I've got a lot of suggestions. People said vinegar bath.

[Sam Taggart]

Have you done that?

[Claudia Doherty]

I ended up just washing them on a gentle cycle and they've gotten to a point where I basically don't smell.

[Sam Taggart]

So it's a completely solvable problem that you solved with the most ice cream. Yeah.

[George Severis]

I was expecting some sort of twist where it's like. And now they don't fit perfect. But now it's like.

[Claudia Doherty]

But the thing is. Yeah, that is what happened.

[Sam Taggart]

Oh.

[Claudia Doherty]

But I'm. I just. I have to persevere. Like, I can't.

[Sam Taggart]

That's on the jeans, though. That's something that's really out of reach for me.

[Claudia Doherty]

So I have a place in New York that I'm going to tell you to go to because guess what they do. Take your measurements rather than you browsing a bunch of vintage jeans. Take your measurements, ask you what you want. They bring you options.

[Sam Taggart]

How much does it cost?

[George Severis]

Thank you.

[Claudia Doherty]

100. And I want to say. Okay, so the. The jeans, I think, are 195.

[Sam Taggart]

Okay.

[Claudia Doherty]

Oh, and that include. No, no, that includes them. The service, the sir and them tailoring them so they'll, like, take them in, hem them, whatever.

[George Severis]

Wow.

[Sam Taggart]

But it's still a vintage jeans. Interesting.

[Claudia Doherty]

I've got specializing Levi.

[Sam Taggart]

It's really hard.

[George Severis]

What?

[Claudia Doherty]

I've got really narrow, whereas I have really wide hips. You guys, for a gentleman.

[George Severis]

While we rate our guests on a scale of 1 to 1000 doves. You know, I actually really appreciated that you genuinely were like, wait, what is this? Yeah, that hasn't happened in a long time.

[Claudia Doherty]

You showed an intellectual curiosity that I think in the second Trump era is lacking among the general populace.

[George Severis]

And what else is lacking in a second Trump presidency is perseverance.

[Claudia Doherty]

And I think people are giving up left and right.

[George Severis]

Yeah.

[Sam Taggart]

And Mike Pence.

[Claudia Doherty]

What about Mike?

[Sam Taggart]

He's lacking in the second.

[Claudia Doherty]

Oh, that's right. Yeah. You were like, not being Mike Pence.

[George Severis]

There was no Mike Pence anywhere in that.

[Claudia Doherty]

If someone was like, who does she remind you of? I would not say Mike Pence.

[George Severis]

And I would say, I don't know, but not Mike Pence. Yeah.

[Claudia Doherty]

I would say, who's the opposite of Mike Pence?

[Sam Taggart]

That's nice.

[George Severis]

Wow. Yeah. So I'm gonna say 870 does out of a thousand.

[Sam Taggart]

That's pretty good.

[George Severis]

That's really good.

[Sam Taggart]

Yeah. I did get scared at the beginning because I forgot what the sort of name of the. What the name of the game was. So I was like, I have forgotten what I meant to be doing. And that's why I stopped and I nearly. And I did ask a question, but that's okay.

[Claudia Doherty]

It's okay. You stopped yourself before it got really bad.

[George Severis]

Exactly. Yeah. Yeah. Should we get into. You mentioned that you have a list of topics.

[Sam Taggart]

Yeah.

[George Severis]

Yes.

[Sam Taggart]

Is that wrong?

[Claudia Doherty]

No, no, that's wrong.

[George Severis]

I don't think that's wrong to do, but should we?

[Claudia Doherty]

Wow. We shattered your confidence for you to be asking, is that wrong?

[Sam Taggart]

Well, no, that's just because I'm a woman.

[Claudia Doherty]

You should look into that. I can't get over how beautiful the. The color of your sweater is. You don't see this sort of canary because it's not quite canary. It is banana.

[Sam Taggart]

It's butter yellow.

[George Severis]

Butter yellow.

[Claudia Doherty]

Butter yellow.

[Sam Taggart]

I think so.

[Claudia Doherty]

You're absolutely Right. It's now. Now. Now I'm like, I'm such a dumbass to even call a banana. Like, it's so clearly butter y. Bananas.

[George Severis]

Can be that color.

[Claudia Doherty]

Yeah.

[Sam Taggart]

Sort of insipid ones. Bad bananas.

[Claudia Doherty]

Okay, so let's hear some of these topics.

[Sam Taggart]

Okay. The first one. Well, I'll say them in a row. I have casino aesthetic.

[George Severis]

Oh, that's good.

[Sam Taggart]

Well, this one's. It's hard to say because of where I'm sitting. Gray couches.

[George Severis]

Uhhuh.

[Sam Taggart]

And also sort of teal couches.

[George Severis]

Teal, yeah. Interesting.

[Sam Taggart]

I'm also going to being sunburnt, and I think that was really it. Oh, no, the color blue.

[George Severis]

Oh, wow, That's.

[Claudia Doherty]

Put a pin in that.

[Sam Taggart]

Okay.

[Claudia Doherty]

I have a tight 10. That's actually one of the things I'm taping right now for my career. Just off the bat, I want to say great couches. We've actually discussed. Organically discussed. Yeah.

[Sam Taggart]

I bet with Starvos this might be done.

[Claudia Doherty]

No, but it wasn't his topic. But we were talking about how for furniture, gray is a straight neutral and beige slash, taupe slash is the gay neutral. It's like a gay person. If they're like, I just want something simple and that can go with the space, they won't go gray. They'll go beige.

[Sam Taggart]

Right.

[Claudia Doherty]

Whereas a straight person will say, well, what's the most neutral color?

[Sam Taggart]

I know. Because they're so scared of being identified as someone who has any kind of preference.

[Claudia Doherty]

Yes.

[Sam Taggart]

So they choose gray.

[Claudia Doherty]

It's really. And I actually.

[Sam Taggart]

No offense to whoever chose these.

[Claudia Doherty]

And I. And I actually think, like.

[Sam Taggart]

And this tone as well. This one's so bad. I think. I think it's horrible. Oh, and here's another podcast.

[George Severis]

George decorated this fucking studio.

[Claudia Doherty]

One of the.

[George Severis]

His manager got him.

[Claudia Doherty]

I have so many gigs, and it's like, yeah, my interior decor business is not as good as my acting or my directing, but, like.

[George Severis]

But you have to understand, lots of people use this space.

[Sam Taggart]

Well, did you do these, like, eight years ago?

[Claudia Doherty]

And also, guess what, Claudia, Most people in the world are straight. Like, if I'm. I'm. If I'm designing just for, like, sophisticated, you know, queer, like, magazine collector.

[Sam Taggart]

Yes.

[Claudia Doherty]

How much money would I make? Like, we need. I need to be able to turn these pieces out exactly.

[Sam Taggart]

For the straight mark.

[Claudia Doherty]

For the straight market.

[Sam Taggart]

I get it.

[George Severis]

He has two ohms.

[Sam Taggart]

I remembered another one. Air fryers.

[George Severis]

Oh, my God.

[Claudia Doherty]

And I would go so far as to, like, rice cooker, instant pot, slow cookers.

[Sam Taggart]

All of this Stuff any plastic thing. It actually on the countertop.

[Claudia Doherty]

I have very little patience for things like that.

[Sam Taggart]

For microwaves.

[Claudia Doherty]

Yeah, yeah. Grandfathered.

[George Severis]

Yeah.

[Claudia Doherty]

I do wish they, like, work when.

[George Severis]

People don't like a microwave. I'm like, enough, enough, Harvard.

[Sam Taggart]

Relax.

[George Severis]

Be one of the people. Yeah, Use a microwave.

[Sam Taggart]

Exactly.

[Claudia Doherty]

I actually want to specifically call out people say, reheat things in the oven. Guess what the appeal of leftovers is? They don't take 45 minutes to prepare because they are leftovers. If I wanted to re to use my oven for 45 minutes, I would make a lasagna.

[Sam Taggart]

Exactly.

[Claudia Doherty]

From scratch.

[George Severis]

I have to confess something. Have you guys seen the videos of, like, the little boys? It's called, like, Maryland Food Boys or something, and they're literally like 12 years old.

[Claudia Doherty]

You need to, like, trust me, this.

[George Severis]

Is gonna pay off.

[Claudia Doherty]

No, but, no, I just mean, like, what you're describing is sounding a little. A little.

[George Severis]

George, don't even go there. There's these videos of these boys hosting a podcast and they like. It's like, really professional. They eat food.

[Sam Taggart]

I've heard about this.

[George Severis]

And they go, so what's your favorite p. I like when pizza's crispy. I like cheese. Like, they. And they're like, still 12, but they're like, in a podcast studio.

[Sam Taggart]

Yes.

[George Severis]

It's very funny. And now whenever we start going off on a small topic and being like. You like being like, here's my thing. Ovens are too long. I'm like, we're just like the little boys.

[Sam Taggart]

Yeah. Yeah. Well, that's all podcasts really are. It's like people saying yes or no.

[Claudia Doherty]

It's also kind of what, like our generation of comedy and UCB adjacent comedies. It's just like, maybe we can just be childlike and it can remind us what it was like.

[Sam Taggart]

I've been trying to do that recently a lot. Really? Trying to be a lot more childlike.

[George Severis]

Tap into that child.

[Sam Taggart]

Exactly. I'm getting lost, you know, I'm scared a lot of the time.

[George Severis]

I want to return also to getting sunburned because I find this to be an interesting topic with the amount that gay guys go on beach vacations and.

[Sam Taggart]

They'Re tanning and they're tanning and they're.

[George Severis]

They're speedoed, they're nude, they're in the sun all day long. And there is something where it's like, but they're not sunburned. Like the way that very rarely have I been in a house with someone who has been sunburned in the many years that I've been going on gay vacations. I'm actually quite surprised at the statistics of that. Whereas every straight vacation, it's like, well, dad sunburned.

[Sam Taggart]

He's cooked.

[George Severis]

He's cooked.

[Sam Taggart]

Yeah.

[George Severis]

He's got to wear a shirt now.

[Sam Taggart]

Exactly.

[George Severis]

And it is. And I'm not sure. Sure it's. I'm not sure why that is. We all have the same education.

[Sam Taggart]

I know. Well, can you provide answers?

[Claudia Doherty]

What about women?

[Sam Taggart]

Well, there. There is a sunbeam. Sunburnt woman. Also, I'm Australian, so it's like, sunburn is a huge part of my culture. Everyone get, like, one out of two people get skin cancer. There was a hole. Yes. There was a hole in the ozone layer when I was a kid. So it was like we were getting extra UV rays. And obviously, like, white people are not meant to be in Australia.

[Claudia Doherty]

Yeah.

[Sam Taggart]

And so it's like we were just getting really cooked. And so everyone got. Everyone.

[Claudia Doherty]

Is that why so many Australian actors, like Nicole Kidman moved to the United States? Because Nicole Kidman especially, like, would have died?

[Sam Taggart]

Absolutely. And she is, like, the most porcelain, literally the most. Like, her swimsuit goes to here. And she. Well, someone told me she like. Or like, I saw an interview to say. Someone told me it's like, probably not that's what happened, but that she would get up before shooting and swim before the sun rose, like, at the beach. And they were like, isn't that amazing? It means she, like, gets. She's doing so much every day. And I was like, I think it's because she doesn't want to be sunburned.

[Claudia Doherty]

Yeah.

[Sam Taggart]

She doesn't want to put on that swimsuit that goes like this. But, yeah, it's. So sunburn is a big part of my culture. Australian, and also straight. Because I think it is, like, the idea, like, especially for men. And we will talk about women as well. Don't worry.

[Claudia Doherty]

Well, we were recently accused that we. We sometimes erase women. So that's why I am bringing them up from the beginning with.

[Sam Taggart]

The image I really have is like. Well, it's like there's so much sun damage.

[Claudia Doherty]

Yeah.

[Sam Taggart]

So it's like every woman, like, a really familiar thing is like a chest.

[Claudia Doherty]

Yes. Yeah.

[Sam Taggart]

With that sort of like the vertical wrinkling and maybe a sort of freckles. The freckles a very sort of specific. Cooked in redness.

[Claudia Doherty]

Yes, cooked in redness, which I guess is different because I also imagine, like, a leathery tan, which is sort of a different thing. But, yes, cooked in redness. Madness.

[George Severis]

It's so iconic to be like, we need to raise women up. So women like often get this like, burn where like their tits look wrinkly.

[Sam Taggart]

It looks really. It looks disgusting.

[George Severis]

Like, so women age like really badly.

[Sam Taggart]

Like, also, I really remember there was such a thing of like, in Australia, people would go to Bali because it was like, no, because it's closed. It's close. So it's like a beautiful place to go. And it's close and it's not Australia. But people would come back. White women. I just remember seeing like mums on the plane. My family went when I was like 16. Just like everyone would get the braids, which was obviously an interesting choice.

[George Severis]

Yes.

[Claudia Doherty]

Oh, that was such an error.

[Sam Taggart]

The Bali braids. So it's like, there's beads, there's braids, and then just like the reddest circle in the world. So women get sunburnt too.

[Claudia Doherty]

It's really amazing. Like, I feel like the kind of era of white people making fun of white people is coming to a close. It's sort of. It's over. It seems like self flagellating in a sort of like pathetic way at this point. However, that said, it is crazy the things white people do sometimes. When you think about the fact that just for a full generation, they. We were going to, you know, the Bahamas and just being like, and now I'm gonna get braids with little seashells on them and it's gonna be so fucking exciting.

[Sam Taggart]

Did you ever do it? I never did it.

[George Severis]

No. I never. On one of those vacations.

[Claudia Doherty]

My sisters, when they were kids, like, I'm talking like 8 years old and 5 years old. Yeah, they did it. And there's a lot of photos of it.

[George Severis]

That's so funny. It's. We. When I was in the Z room, we were like trying to write a thing that was making fun of that. And then like, the writer's assistant is Jamaican. Yeah. And she was like, well, everyone in Jamaica, like loves doing that to white people. Like, well, this is so.

[Claudia Doherty]

This is classic.

[George Severis]

Yeah, it was like. Like.

[Sam Taggart]

Because it's funny.

[George Severis]

No, because they like, like they're like. Like we're spreading the culture. It's like fun.

[Claudia Doherty]

Well, it's a very interesting. Because we're sort of applying an American notion of appropriation and race relations to a different.

[Sam Taggart]

Well, it's interesting. I mean, like, I wouldn't. I'm not saying I know anything about Balinese culture, but I don't know that the braids originate there at all. It's like they've just like, been like.

[Claudia Doherty]

Well, they're just vacation themes.

[Sam Taggart]

Yeah, it's a vacation.

[Claudia Doherty]

It's just like, oh, you got vacation here.

[Sam Taggart]

Yeah. Because I never seen. Seen, like, a Balinese person with braids. So let's think about that for a while.

[George Severis]

I think we should sit with that. Wow. I mean, look at us. Talking about women, talking about race.

[Claudia Doherty]

Talking about women. Talking about race. Talking about race. Okay.

[Sam Taggart]

Apologizing. So much is going on. Apologizing.

[George Severis]

Damn.

[Claudia Doherty]

I do think. Well, first of all, I think, so sunburnt has to be our topic.

[George Severis]

I really like sunburnt because I actually.

[Claudia Doherty]

I do want to return to what you're saying about how gay guys magically don't get sunburnt.

[George Severis]

Well, and it makes me think, like, right now I'm watching Survivor constantly. I started late, and they. I know they give them sunscreen. I know this. But that's all I'm thinking about the entire time.

[Sam Taggart]

Yeah.

[Claudia Doherty]

So we will get back to women, but for now, let's talk about men.

[Sam Taggart]

Yeah.

[Claudia Doherty]

Just sort of baseline theory. Yeah, Obvious. Okay, obvious theory. Gay men more interested in skin care, more knowledgeable about how to treat their skin. So it's just like an effortless. You don't see them, like, fumbling to get the sunscreen that's, like, leaking out of the bottle. They're just, like, doing it. On the other hand, I have a.

[George Severis]

Problematic addition to this, is that they also are like, do you want me to put sunscreen on you? Like, sort of like, can I rub?

[Sam Taggart]

Well, here's something I discovered about myself. If I ever won, I have to pretend I am less flexible than I am if I want to get someone to put sunscreen on my back, because I, in fact, can put sunscreen on my entire back because I think I'm hypermobile. So I can touch every centimeter of my back.

[Claudia Doherty]

I can, too.

[Sam Taggart]

Whereas everyone else is always, like, put sunscreen on me. I'm like, why? Ooh, I just do it yourself. But they can't. They can't reach. But you can.

[Claudia Doherty]

So. So one of the things that I can't. One of the things that has been a really sad thing in my life.

[George Severis]

I'm tearing up.

[Claudia Doherty]

I know. Well, get ready to actually burst into tears. So I used to. I used to be able to. I won't do it. So no one freak out. I used to be able to clasp my hands, go literally all the way around, and my shoulders would just, like, dislocate and, like, go around. And I can't believe I'm about to say Pray this. Like this. But because I have been working out more in the last year and a half, I suddenly can no longer do it. And it actually is like, making me feel less. Like, that was always my party trick.

[Sam Taggart]

You're less flexible now that you're more muscular.

[Claudia Doherty]

Yes, exactly.

[George Severis]

You lose flexibility.

[Sam Taggart]

Do you really?

[George Severis]

Yeah. Think about like the guys that are really muscly that can't even put their arms straight.

[Sam Taggart]

Oh, right.

[Claudia Doherty]

I just like have. I don't think it took much. I think I used to have literally zero muscle mass and be very naturally flexible, so I could just do it. And like, the second I got even just like a little bit, I. It just. I. I can't do it anymore.

[George Severis]

Wow. So do you go home for the holidays?

[Sam Taggart]

Is it worth it?

[Lifelock Advertiser]

Yeah.

[George Severis]

And your family's like.

[Sam Taggart]

I don't know.

[George Severis]

My family's like, they're like, george, do the trick. Do the trick.

[Claudia Doherty]

The thing is, no one ever. It's one of those things. I used to do it and like.

[George Severis]

I can't, Mom, I've changed.

[Claudia Doherty]

Used to do it and think some people would be non grossed out by. But every single person would be like, ew, never do that again.

[Sam Taggart]

I don't think I can do that one. All I can do is put sunscreen on my back. I can't fit my whole fist in my mouth. Mouth.

[Claudia Doherty]

You can.

[Sam Taggart]

Yes. I'm not doing.

[Claudia Doherty]

No, no, of course, of course.

[George Severis]

We would never ask.

[Claudia Doherty]

Imagine if we asked you to do that.

[George Severis]

Never ask that.

[Claudia Doherty]

I'm actually offended. You even did like the eye rolly. I'm not.

[Sam Taggart]

Well, it's just like there's a camera here. Obviously it's so tempting to put it right. Put it.

[Claudia Doherty]

Put it away.

[Sam Taggart]

I'm not going to.

[Claudia Doherty]

You're doing the equivalent of like, the equivalent of cleavage of like hinting that you can do it.

[Sam Taggart]

No, I could do it. It could happen at any moment. It takes a while to get it in there, though.

[Claudia Doherty]

Claudia, wait.

[George Severis]

George, you were making a point about sunscreen when we all.

[Claudia Doherty]

So the gay. On the one. I mean, on the one hand, gay guys are conscious of skin care norms and also, as you're saying, basically use it as a foreplay. Just asking their friends to put skin screen. And then on the other hand, the straight men, A, feel invincible and B, feel like it's a sign of weakness to protect themselves in any way.

[Sam Taggart]

Absolutely. I think it's like there's so little self reflection in the straightest of men. Like, it's like to reflect is gay because you're Looking at a guy. And so it's like they. They can't sort of think about themselves in any way. So self preservation is, like, not available to them.

[Claudia Doherty]

Well, it's also like self preservation. It's like, what do you think? So you think I'm weak? You think I literally need armor to go to the beach?

[Sam Taggart]

Yeah.

[George Severis]

If I'm meant to live, the Lord will keep me alive.

[Claudia Doherty]

Yeah.

[Sam Taggart]

Because God is straight.

[George Severis]

Because God is straight.

[Claudia Doherty]

And also, I'm sorry to say that it's an unwillingness to learn from past mistakes because these people are gay. Getting sunburned over and over again every year. It's not like this is the first time when they're shocked. Yes, completely.

[George Severis]

I gotta say, sometimes I'm like, when gay guys sexualize putting on sunscreen, sometimes I'm like, enough. I've been on a nude beach where, like, they were really like, oh, and the inside of your butt crack really needs something.

[Sam Taggart]

Oh, my God.

[George Severis]

It's like, no, it doesn't. You guys need to calm down.

[Sam Taggart]

So was someone putting it inside?

[George Severis]

Not my butt crack, but, like, it was like, two guys, and it was like, sunscreen up. And we're, like, trying to have a normal conversation. He's like, really getting in there.

[Sam Taggart]

And I mean, I have to ask. So you're on a nude beach.

[George Severis]

Yes.

[Sam Taggart]

Like, what about the shaft?

[Claudia Doherty]

Like, are you people putting sunscreen on the shaft?

[George Severis]

People are putting sunscreen all over the shaft.

[Lifelock Advertiser]

Wow.

[Sam Taggart]

You.

[George Severis]

And you do you have to first.

[Claudia Doherty]

Get erect and then put sunscreen on so you can get the entire.

[George Severis]

This is where it's complicated. Because you do have to do it.

[Sam Taggart]

Because if you put it on, you.

[Claudia Doherty]

Do have to do it. You're doing it.

[George Severis]

You have to not get hard.

[Claudia Doherty]

Oh, okay.

[George Severis]

But you have to put it on. So you're like. You have to rub yourself.

[Sam Taggart]

Exactly. So that's why I'm so.

[Claudia Doherty]

Oh. So sort of chicken over the eggs. You are getting hard because you're putting sunscreen on your neck.

[Sam Taggart]

Yes. Because also, if you put it on flaccid, then it's not the full surface area, so then it's, like, expanding, and then suddenly it looks like a red tiger. Yeah, exactly.

[George Severis]

Yeah, yeah.

[Claudia Doherty]

Tiger, red tiger, stripes.

[Sam Taggart]

Hot. So you have to wait. You have to get hot.

[George Severis]

You literally have to get hard to get hard to care about skin cancer at all.

[Sam Taggart]

Whoa.

[George Severis]

Yeah, yeah.

[Claudia Doherty]

So, yeah, there's like, PSAs where men are like, I didn't know I would go to the beach flaccid. And next thing you know, there are.

[George Severis]

Like specific, like lifeguards that are there to, like, get you hard so you can, like, put sunscreen on.

[Sam Taggart]

It would be awful to have a sunburnt penis.

[George Severis]

I wouldn't it?

[Claudia Doherty]

Yeah.

[George Severis]

I honestly, like, the appeal of a nude beach is like, loses its luster pretty quickly when you're like, well, what if I get sunburned?

[Sam Taggart]

Yeah.

[George Severis]

Because it is fun to be like, look, I'm naked and it's like, I don't actually want to lay in the sun naked.

[Sam Taggart]

Yeah.

[George Severis]

I need some.

[Sam Taggart]

It's very dangerous.

[Claudia Doherty]

But to me, you. You gotta just go. Song.

[George Severis]

What's that again?

[Sam Taggart]

But that. David Beckham.

[Claudia Doherty]

Yeah, David Beckham. But. Or even just like, I'm thinking, like, wearing Bali. Sexy little. Sexy little piece of fabric. It can even honestly be see through so you can get what you're wanting out of the. Out of the nude.

[George Severis]

If you see through, don't you get sunburned?

[Claudia Doherty]

No. It's like wearing sunglasses but for your dick.

[Sam Taggart]

Exactly. But also, you're not nude if you've got a sarong on. But it's kind of creepy. It's sexy. I mean, not creepy. I always get those two confus. They're very close, but it's different.

[George Severis]

Wow.

[Claudia Doherty]

Okay, so that's men. Now let's move on to women.

[Sam Taggart]

We're going to women again.

[Claudia Doherty]

So women, okay. The women get sunburned because it's like decolletage freckles.

[Sam Taggart]

Yes.

[Claudia Doherty]

And lesbians don't have that, actually. No, that's true. I don't. I don't associate that because they're wearing.

[Sam Taggart]

A crew neck T shirt.

[George Severis]

I mean, what's going on?

[Claudia Doherty]

I'm thinking. I'm trying to say for sort of phrase this in a positive way way. Like there is something lesbianic about kind of always being prepared.

[Sam Taggart]

Yes.

[Claudia Doherty]

To me, it's like she has a. A little kit, like a little, you know, fanny pack, like a little purse or something that has like all the things you might need, like first aid kit, chapstick, sunscreen, face sunscreen. That's different. Like snacks, whatever. And that, to me is. Which is a very different reason than why gay guys don't get sunburned. But that, to me is the reason a queer woman would not get sunburned is because she just is always prepared. When she's going to the beach, she has all the materials. You would never see her open. Think of a harried mom who's opening the bag and is like, fuck, we didn't bring the popsicles. That would never happen if it's two moms.

[Sam Taggart]

Exactly.

[George Severis]

She's got the popsicles. I agree. But I even feel like that's true with straight women still. They are sunscreen themselves.

[Sam Taggart]

They definitely have more access to these. They have more access to the self systemic instinct that straight men do not. But they. And so that is a problem with pretty much everything I've said about straight. All these straight ideas is they're more attacks on gay. On straight men.

[George Severis]

Yeah, well.

[Claudia Doherty]

But again, I'm speaking completely stereotypically here.

[Sam Taggart]

A ribbing attack, like a gentle rib.

[George Severis]

It's tasteful.

[Sam Taggart]

Yeah.

[Claudia Doherty]

Don't you think the pressure to be tan is a very straight woman thing? Yes, that's what that is. I think the reason why, why straight women.

[George Severis]

That's true.

[Claudia Doherty]

Like risk sun sunburning is because it's all about getting tan.

[George Severis]

Well, yeah, that's. That's very like teen too.

[Claudia Doherty]

Like even more so than gay men because gay men also want to be tan. But straight women own be like you.

[George Severis]

Like put baby oil on.

[Claudia Doherty]

Like their thing is.

[Sam Taggart]

I did that when I was like 13. Someone had that. Is it. What's the brand that like coconut oil, like sunscreen.

[Claudia Doherty]

Hawaiian tropics?

[Sam Taggart]

Yeah, I think so. And it was, was like set plus like 7 SPF factor.

[George Severis]

Nothing.

[Sam Taggart]

Zero.

[George Severis]

Not with that hole in the ozone layer.

[Sam Taggart]

And my friend who had a different complexion to me, she was wearing it. She was, she was turning golden brown. Whereas I put it on and I literally, I was like, shake. I had sunstroke. I was shaking. It was bad. And it's probably why eventually I will get skin cancer.

[George Severis]

I know, I'm like, sure, I will as well. And it's like a moment. It's just like I'm mostly waiting and.

[Sam Taggart]

I'm like, damn, it don't happen. But you do get checked. Checked.

[George Severis]

Oh, you guys know I don't get checked.

[Sam Taggart]

You don't. You guys, you have to get checked.

[Claudia Doherty]

We gotta set up an appointment.

[Sam Taggart]

Yeah.

[Claudia Doherty]

It would be really bad for my career if you like if there were any health issues that I don't know about.

[George Severis]

Yeah, you got to get checked. Unfortunately it's so much doctor. You have to go to the dentist.

[Sam Taggart]

I know.

[George Severis]

You have to go to the skin.

[Sam Taggart]

I know. Normal what? Oh, normal doctor. Yeah, you do.

[George Severis]

I mean gay doctor too.

[Sam Taggart]

That's why I know about my potassium. Because of the normal doctor. She did a blood test.

[Claudia Doherty]

The normal doctor.

[Sam Taggart]

Yeah, but also she didn't say why potassium's. She was just like.

[George Severis]

Did she say it was bad?

[Sam Taggart]

No, but she's like, it Is high. What if she was like another blood test?

[George Severis]

What if she was like, you have high, high potassium and that's your superpower.

[Sam Taggart]

Exactly. I wish it was. I know, but she also didn't explain why it's bad. So I don't know, what am I made to do?

[George Severis]

Maybe you're fine.

[Sam Taggart]

She didn't say how to not have high potassium.

[Claudia Doherty]

Huh.

[George Severis]

Huh.

[Sam Taggart]

I guess if anyone's watching or listening, who knows why it's bad to have high potassium, Please comment.

[Claudia Doherty]

Can you actually please comment directly to Claudia, not to us, because I cannot sift through comments about.

[Sam Taggart]

Also, I don't open DMs now because now I'm scared. Now I understand. You can see if I've seen them.

[Claudia Doherty]

Speaking of spf, I think. Let's see. I think it's very SPF talk being like, did you know that like 30 SPF means that it lasts for 30 minutes? Or like this SPF means this, like you have to. That is also feels very straight woman to me.

[Sam Taggart]

Yes.

[Claudia Doherty]

Am I wrong?

[Sam Taggart]

Like, yeah, definitely. And well, because I actually as a straight woman, could you do love spf?

[Claudia Doherty]

What does it mean?

[Sam Taggart]

Sun protection factor. Spf?

[George Severis]

Well, that's quite literal.

[Sam Taggart]

Is like the. Is the number. Okay, the 50 or whatever the number is is the amount of time you can spend in the sun without getting sunburned.

[Claudia Doherty]

So it's like so it literally is that. It's just so.

[Sam Taggart]

But no, it's not fifth but it's not 50 minutes or 50 seconds. It's 50 times the amount you could spend of time you could spend in the sun without getting sunburnt, without sunscreen. So let's say that's actually seven minutes.

[George Severis]

Whoa.

[Sam Taggart]

I don't know. I think that's like, based on your.

[Claudia Doherty]

Like that makes sense actually.

[Sam Taggart]

Yeah. So you could spend 50 times the amount of time in the sun.

[George Severis]

That seems like too much.

[Claudia Doherty]

So you're. You're saying I could apply a 50 SPF just once and be in the sun.

[George Severis]

But they're not taking into account you're dipping in the ocean and it getting washed out.

[Sam Taggart]

You can't sweat, you can't dip in the ocean. Also you have to apply two to three teaspoons or something crazy like that. You have to apply such and a ridiculous amount of sunscreen to actually get what they're saying they can give you. And that's impossible for me with such a small face. I can't put that much liquid on my face. I try. Doesn't work.

[George Severis]

Do you do a daily sunscreen?

[Sam Taggart]

Of course. I do. I'm Australian. Yes, of course I do two fingers. But sometimes you meant to do three.

[George Severis]

When someone says like, of course I do, I'm Australian. I'm like, I don't think you understand. I have no idea what the Australian.

[Claudia Doherty]

Australia is like sunny.

[George Severis]

No.

[Sam Taggart]

But has no ozone layer.

[George Severis]

I'm learning that everyone's parents come to.

[Sam Taggart]

Pick them up and they'd have like a bandage across their face because they've had something chopped out of their face.

[George Severis]

Really?

[Sam Taggart]

That's how. Because like.

[Claudia Doherty]

Really?

[Sam Taggart]

Yeah. And there's like a huge vat of sunscreen that everyone uses. Communal sunscreen.

[Claudia Doherty]

Really?

[Sam Taggart]

And there's a no hat, no play policy in the playground because you will get burnt.

[George Severis]

Wow.

[Sam Taggart]

Yeah.

[Claudia Doherty]

Wow.

[George Severis]

No hat, no hat, no play.

[Sam Taggart]

No hat, no play. So I do wear a hat as well.

[Claudia Doherty]

Do you wear my.

[George Severis]

Is that why your hair is Rectangular angle?

[Sam Taggart]

Probably. No, I didn't wear one here. Today is cloudy and. But still the sp. The UV factor is high.

[Claudia Doherty]

Matthew bought an SPF hat. Is that something you're familiar with?

[Sam Taggart]

Sort of, yeah.

[Claudia Doherty]

I never asked how it works.

[Sam Taggart]

This new thing where they're like saying clothing has.

[Claudia Doherty]

Yes, exactly.

[Sam Taggart]

SPF factor. Which.

[George Severis]

Yeah, that feels fake.

[Sam Taggart]

Yeah. I'm like, doesn't. Isn't all clothing.

[George Severis]

Yeah, it's closed.

[Sam Taggart]

Protecting you from the side.

[Claudia Doherty]

Here's what I think. I think that SPF clothing could be a great way to get men into the mix because they love high tech clothing.

[Sam Taggart]

And like, it's like a.

[Claudia Doherty]

Yes. Like bike to work. That's true. Or like things. A lot of zippers, cargo, you know, unzipped. Like shorts that become pants.

[Sam Taggart]

Yes. Are we talking about men generally or straight men?

[Claudia Doherty]

Straight men, yes.

[Sam Taggart]

Because also, it's like they're so scared of expressing themselves in any way. So if they. There's like a practical edge they can explore that they're like, I'm being practical. This is good for when I'm on my bike.

[Claudia Doherty]

Yes.

[Sam Taggart]

But they can't be like, I need to protect myself, because that's too.

[George Severis]

Yeah.

[Sam Taggart]

I don't know.

[George Severis]

Wow. Wait, I have another Australia question.

[Sam Taggart]

Okay, go for it.

[George Severis]

Is this annoying?

[Sam Taggart]

No. Well, I don't know yet.

[George Severis]

Okay, good point. Okay, so you know how everyone was going nor? Was that annoying?

[Claudia Doherty]

Yeah, I'm sure that was like the most annoying thing.

[Sam Taggart]

Because people really. They think I want to hear their nor.

[George Severis]

Yeah.

[Sam Taggart]

And obviously I have an Australian accent. Accent. I say no. Which maybe to you sounds like what you just did to me. They sound very different.

[George Severis]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Sam Taggart]

But that's Just how accents work. Of course it's going to hit my head quite differently, but for some reason, people think I would love to hear their gnar and that I would, like, murder someone.

[George Severis]

No.

[Claudia Doherty]

I'm like, can you imagine, like, just for a full two years, everyone is going up to Claudia and being like, gnar.

[Sam Taggart]

Well, it's a real breakthrough in the Australian act, accent reproduction, because it used to just be like a Crocodile Dundee.

[George Severis]

Yeah.

[Sam Taggart]

The knife. It was a different thing. And it's like, now people have found a more effective pathway into the Australian accent. So people are getting better at it.

[George Severis]

I have noticed that.

[Sam Taggart]

Yeah. And like, no. Is the gateway. See, I can't say it because I'm, like, trying to.

[George Severis]

Now you're overthinking.

[Sam Taggart]

Repeat what you're doing.

[George Severis]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Sam Taggart]

But, yeah, no, it's a crazy thing to do to me when people are doing it for me, for me as a gift. I'm just like, what do you think's happening right now?

[George Severis]

Even when they weren't doing it for you, I'm sort of like, what were you like? Was it like even just seeing people type it out the way that it was, memeified, was that, like, bizarre?

[Sam Taggart]

I was like, they're coming for me. I felt hunted. It was interesting. And now it is like, people are really doing it. And it is. Is. It's just like a party trick that people love to do for me.

[George Severis]

Interesting.

[Sam Taggart]

Yeah.

[George Severis]

Wow. And then my next question is, do. Do you feel that Australian straight men have a more healthy relationship to sunscreen than American straight men?

[Sam Taggart]

That's a really. Wow. Well, do you know, I feel like the Australian. Australian. It's like they've learned their lesson a little bit and they're just like, well, I have to. I actually really have to wear something.

[Claudia Doherty]

Of the ethnic identity. It's part of the national culture still.

[Sam Taggart]

You're seeing burnt men. You do see burnt men, but it's more likely in Sydney if you see a very burnt man, that he's British.

[Claudia Doherty]

You know what it's like? It's like how it used to be that Speedos were, like, gay in America, but actually totally straight dad in Europe.

[George Severis]

Yeah. It's.

[Claudia Doherty]

It's different. Gay sl straight norms change from location to location. So in Australia, Australia, unlike in the United States, it's not gay to wear sunscreen.

[Sam Taggart]

Exactly. Whereas, like, the straight men I know here are all sort of, I guess, like comedy men, and they don't. They don't want to go to the beach.

[Claudia Doherty]

Can you imagine a male comedian Putting on sunscreen.

[Sam Taggart]

I've seen Common Christopher put on sunscreen. Like he's some common. Takes care of himself.

[George Severis]

Yeah.

[Sam Taggart]

So that makes sense.

[George Severis]

Good for him.

[Sam Taggart]

Yeah. George is silent.

[George Severis]

Yeah. So scary.

[Claudia Doherty]

Here's what I'm thinking. Sorry, I'm thinking. I was about to say. I'd say Carmen has like sort of olive skin like me, but then I actually don't know what his ethnic background is, so I don't want to misspeak, do you?

[Sam Taggart]

I believe he's Italian and Mexican.

[George Severis]

Yeah.

[Claudia Doherty]

Oh, so he is Latino. So that is different than. It is different than me.

[Sam Taggart]

But he's wearing sunscreen, so that's okay.

[George Severis]

So that's good.

[Sam Taggart]

So we still.

[Claudia Doherty]

Well, good.

[George Severis]

Okay, my next Australia question is what is gay in Australia? That is straight here.

[Sam Taggart]

Oh, okay, that's interesting. I mean, like.

[George Severis]

And the answer can be. It can be a trick question.

[Claudia Doherty]

What is gay there? That is straight here.

[Sam Taggart]

What is gay there? That is straight here. What is gay there? He's straight. Yeah. Do you have any ide. Do you have any ideas?

[George Severis]

Well, because like the opposite is like the speedo is gay here but straight there.

[Claudia Doherty]

Yeah.

[George Severis]

So what's.

[Claudia Doherty]

Oh, I have one that is actually straight in Australia and gay here.

[George Severis]

Like, I think dance electric dance music.

[Claudia Doherty]

I think the Veronica here is like lesbian culture.

[Sam Taggart]

Right.

[Claudia Doherty]

Whereas I think the Veronicas in Australia is mainstream pop.

[Sam Taggart]

It is, it's straight. That's very straight.

[Claudia Doherty]

Like.

[Sam Taggart]

Yeah.

[Claudia Doherty]

Wow, that was a good example.

[George Severis]

That was a really good.

[Sam Taggart]

Yeah, you got one. I think.

[George Severis]

I mean, maybe even Kylie Minogue for doing that.

[Claudia Doherty]

But I do think Kylie Minogue is also a gay icon in Australia. Like it's. Because she's the Madonna of Australia. Like she's. She's mainstream just like Madonna is. But it's still gay culture.

[Sam Taggart]

Yeah, she's part of gay culture. She might perform at the Mardi Gras party and that's. That is obviously a very gay event.

[George Severis]

Sure, sure.

[Sam Taggart]

But I think you know that shirt. I don't. Okay. I think this is, you know that. Do you remember that shirt, that like navy blue shirt that was like short sleeved and it had like a tiny flamingo or palm tree or pineapple on it. Like the print, like as a pattern. Yeah, yeah. And it's kind of separate. Like it's like spread out.

[George Severis]

Yeah, Like a spread. Small.

[Sam Taggart]

It was like the one. I feel like that's. That was. What's the question? What's straight here and what's gay there?

[George Severis]

Yeah, yeah. Something that's straight here.

[Sam Taggart]

I'm seeing that as Straight here and gay in Australia. But I also saw it earlier in Australia, so it was like gay sort of like normal, very normal gay guys. We're adopting it as like the biggest, like, he's my. He's like my fun show shirt. That's like microscopic flamingo on the navy blue. Do either of you have this shirt?

[George Severis]

No.

[Sam Taggart]

Have I, like.

[Claudia Doherty]

No, But I do actually think you're pointing to some. I. I think that the idea of Hawaiian shirts more broadly or like. Yeah, shirts like that in America is such a. Specifically dad, like, uncool, bad thing. I actually think everywhere else, it's like such a bold print.

[Sam Taggart]

Yeah.

[Claudia Doherty]

And you don't have the cultural implication that it's like a lame dad. Tommy Bahama thing to do.

[Sam Taggart]

Yes.

[Claudia Doherty]

So I think, think. I mean, just think of like, it's like if I saw someone wearing a flowery Hawaiian shirt in Greece, I wouldn't. I would think they were like, you know, flaring it up.

[Sam Taggart]

You're thinking they're a straight person flaring. No, like a gay person flaring it out there. A gay person. I get it. Totally.

[Claudia Doherty]

Or a straight person that's very fashion.

[Sam Taggart]

Forward, but like, not a lame dad with self expression.

[George Severis]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Sam Taggart]

Or is that. Is that not available to a straight person here? A straight man here? They have to.

[George Severis]

It's just.

[Claudia Doherty]

I just think Tommy Bahama is so dominant in that space.

[George Severis]

Yeah. It's normal.

[Sam Taggart]

We don't have Tommy Bahama in Australia.

[George Severis]

Yeah, well, when you guys get it, you're gonna fucking.

[Claudia Doherty]

You're gonna freak.

[Sam Taggart]

Is it a restaurant?

[Claudia Doherty]

No, it's a brand of Hawaiian shirts, right?

[George Severis]

Yeah, but they might have a bar.

[Claudia Doherty]

It's very Tiva. Tevas. Like, imagine like Tevas, Tommy. Bahamas. Not Tivas.

[George Severis]

Tommy Bahama is not Tevas.

[Sam Taggart]

Should the podcast become.

[Claudia Doherty]

It's. Why? Because it's like Miami is Tommy Bahama.

[George Severis]

Miami. What is Tommy Bahama? Tommy Bahama is more like Miami linen pants. No, it's like, like, what are those? Chukkas or Chukkas. What are those shoes called?

[Sam Taggart]

I obviously don't know what it is.

[George Severis]

I'm thinking of like chocos. Yeah, they're like a brown sort of like. Like they look like they're made of straw almost, but like a little shoe.

[Claudia Doherty]

Oh, yes.

[George Severis]

That's more tiny Bahama. Tiva is more like. I'm like. It's Patagonia. T is more like I'm hiking in a river.

[Sam Taggart]

It's a hiker, a camper. Yeah, but they're going to.

[George Severis]

What about those shoes?

[Sam Taggart]

Campers what's up? You know those shoes? You know that brand? That European brand?

[Claudia Doherty]

Spanish.

[Sam Taggart]

Spanish brand. And to is. I feel like that one could be like gay somewhere and straight somewhere.

[Claudia Doherty]

I completely agree.

[Sam Taggart]

Yeah.

[Claudia Doherty]

Yes. I actually, I think, I think.

[Sam Taggart]

Well, I just feel like it's somewhere in there.

[Claudia Doherty]

I think that in. I think that it's straight in Europe because it's like mainstream and here, like, I literally bought camper sandals last year because I was like, wow, okay, that looked amazing.

[Sam Taggart]

Yeah.

[Claudia Doherty]

Yeah.

[Sam Taggart]

I mean, I think that's a real one.

[George Severis]

I love an international perspective.

[Claudia Doherty]

I agree.

[Sam Taggart]

Yeah. But it made me feel scared that I didn't understand Australia when you asked me that question about what was gay.

[Claudia Doherty]

Or did you not understand gay?

[George Severis]

Yeah. Maybe you didn't know gay people there.

[Sam Taggart]

Well, I certainly do. So then I was like, guy, I'm not paying attention to my friends enough. In Australia. They like wordle.

[Claudia Doherty]

Do they?

[Sam Taggart]

Yeah.

[George Severis]

Spread that.

[Claudia Doherty]

Yeah. Wordle is gay and straight in America.

[George Severis]

Yeah.

[Sam Taggart]

They get annoyed when it's a word that's specifically an American spelling. Because we do spell differently. We put using words. You don't.

[Claudia Doherty]

Yeah, but that's. So do. So do most English speaking countries.

[Sam Taggart]

Everybody else does it. Just not you guys. You don't have time to add the you.

[George Severis]

Yeah, well, we have to make more money.

[Sam Taggart]

Exactly.

[Claudia Doherty]

The U is time is money.

[Sam Taggart]

The money's dipping out.

[George Severis]

Yeah. Is there anything else to say about sunscreen or Australia or. Or being sunburned or Australia.

[Sam Taggart]

Well, I'm decid you didn't want to talk about the casino aesthetic.

[Claudia Doherty]

Sorry. We didn't even touch upon that. You know, just candidly.

[Sam Taggart]

Yeah. Have you talked about it before?

[Claudia Doherty]

No, we haven't. It's just like, it makes me think of Donald Trump in a way that, like, I can't even. I just was like, I don't want to even joke about it right now because I'm in such a great mood after my amazing meeting where I figured out the next 10 years of my career.

[Sam Taggart]

I thought it was six.

[Claudia Doherty]

Yeah, I thought it was. No, I've gotten a few emails.

[George Severis]

That's why he's been so absent in those conversations.

[Claudia Doherty]

A bunch of projects got renewed for more seasons.

[George Severis]

Oh, my God. Congrats.

[Claudia Doherty]

I mean, it's just more work for me.

[George Severis]

That's it. We're going out to drinks after this.

[Claudia Doherty]

But so that was sort of my. I was like. I was like.

[Sam Taggart]

It made you sad?

[Claudia Doherty]

It made me sad.

[Sam Taggart]

It's too real.

[Claudia Doherty]

It's too real. But of course I agree with you.

[George Severis]

Of Course I agree with you. It's one of those things to. Yeah, maybe it is the Donald Trump ness. But there is something about it where I'm like. It's just so viscerally gross and doesn't speak to me that I'm like, of course. What do I say?

[Sam Taggart]

Exactly. I just feel like it's like there was a thing when I was like a teenager. Well, it's like, you know that thing. Once again, it's like everyone wants to dress up and it's like the only costume straight guys feel like they can do is like sort of like a rat pack.

[George Severis]

Yes.

[Sam Taggart]

A casino against like and. Which is also ultimately barely a costume. Like it's like a shirt, a white shirt.

[Claudia Doherty]

It's like when people go as Reservoir Dogs, you're like, hello.

[Sam Taggart]

Yes, totally. It's like that's not nothing. It's nothing at all. But like. And then also there was. This was a party theme when I was like a teenager that I never went to one, but it was like gangsters and moles.

[Claudia Doherty]

Oh my God, that's so funny.

[George Severis]

What was the second word?

[Claudia Doherty]

Pimps and hoes.

[Sam Taggart]

M O L L. So it's like essentially it's like a sex worker. A female sex worker.

[Claudia Doherty]

Well, do you know that it used to be. Now I don't think this would fly, but it used to be Pimps and hoes.

[George Severis]

Pimps and hoes.

[Claudia Doherty]

Parties in America.

[Sam Taggart]

Yeah. That's even more sad. Really sad stuff. Really gr.

[Claudia Doherty]

It's bad. And also in Bridget Jones, what was the party she was going to remember where she dresses a Playboy.

[Sam Taggart]

Vickers and Tarts and Vickers. That's a British one. Tarts.

[Claudia Doherty]

Tarts.

[Sam Taggart]

You thought T A R T s an accent problem. Well, because I. You repeated tarts.

[George Severis]

Yeah, but I love when you put the. I love when you put it in.

[Claudia Doherty]

Yeah. You really just did an amazing a.m.

[Sam Taggart]

Well, cuz I just wanted you to. Sometimes there are certain words I have to say so people know what I mean.

[Claudia Doherty]

And as Tarts and Vic stickers. Does tarp mean?

[Sam Taggart]

Yeah, okay. Absolutely. So that's why she wore the Playboy. She wore the Playboy bunny costume and then everybody. All the men got to be extremely clothed.

[Claudia Doherty]

Remind me, why was it controversial if it was a Tarts and Bakers party?

[Sam Taggart]

Because there was a mix up. I recently watched it. I recently watched it to get ready for the new one.

[George Severis]

Yes.

[Sam Taggart]

Which I've heard is great.

[Claudia Doherty]

Yes.

[Sam Taggart]

I can't wait. Anyway. But there was a mix up. So she. Her dad. Dad. And also I'll have something else to say about that, which is. Have you noticed? So her dad was played by Jim Broadband, and now Colin Firth is, you know, is obviously the love interest, but he has sort of turned into Jim Broadman in his older age.

[George Severis]

I have to look up a picture.

[Sam Taggart]

I mean, like, very handsome. And I. I love. I'm not criticizing the way anyone looks everyone's men. But it's interesting. He's become. Physically, he's in the same genre now as Jim Broadbent.

[Claudia Doherty]

You know, I do think he could.

[Sam Taggart]

Play Jim Broadbent, don't you.

[Claudia Doherty]

Sorry to stereotype. Don't you think that happens with British men? They kind of all grow into Jim Broadbent.

[Sam Taggart]

Well, this is just.

[George Severis]

You guys are crazy.

[Sam Taggart]

No, I'm dead right about this. I'm a doppelganger detector. I can really tell who people.

[George Severis]

Look, Jim Broadbent looks crazy.

[Sam Taggart]

Well, you're looking at a very recent. Didn't he die? Did he die?

[Claudia Doherty]

Did he. Did he die?

[George Severis]

I don't know. Hold on. Jim Broadbent alive. He. It's.

[Claudia Doherty]

He's alive.

[Sam Taggart]

Oh, good.

[Claudia Doherty]

He's 75. He's not even that old.

[George Severis]

Yeah, he's like. But look, this is not like Colin Firth, even like old pigs.

[Sam Taggart]

You have. Have you been watching Locker Be?

[George Severis]

What? What?

[Sam Taggart]

That's Colin Firth's most recent TV show where he plays an older version of himself.

[Claudia Doherty]

I'm sorry, is this some Apple tv?

[Sam Taggart]

I don't know. I see. I've just been in Australia, so I've been watching, like.

[Claudia Doherty]

Oh, it's an Australian show.

[Sam Taggart]

No, it's a British show.

[George Severis]

Oh, my God.

[Sam Taggart]

I think all the TVs the same now.

[Claudia Doherty]

Yeah, Well, I just got Brit box, so it's a whole new world.

[George Severis]

Oh, wow.

[Sam Taggart]

I've got Brit box, too. I love it.

[Claudia Doherty]

Yeah, I. One of the most horrifying things that happened recently is I kept showing Matthew Catherine Tate sketches that I, like, loved as a teen, and he was not cracking a smile.

[Sam Taggart]

That's tough. That's one of the worst things. It's one of the worst.

[Claudia Doherty]

Can you imagine?

[Sam Taggart]

Don't show people things because it's awful. And also, don't be shown things. It's really hard when someone's like, do you like this? Watch it. They're holding the phone. That's bad.

[George Severis]

You have to give them a link and they can watch on their own time, privately. Privately.

[Sam Taggart]

And they can decide what they actually think. It's not fair. Socially, it's not fair. And I think that's for gay and straight people.

[George Severis]

That's Universal.

[Sam Taggart]

That's a cross.

[Claudia Doherty]

It's so crazy that the idea, idea of Tarts and Vickers, like there's a version of that every. Like there's a version in America and in the UK and in Australia.

[Sam Taggart]

Yeah, well, in the Australian one, Gangsters and Moza, sort of like 1920s, but it's still like.

[Claudia Doherty]

But it's just funny because for women.

[Sam Taggart]

It'S always the girl doesn't get clothes.

[Claudia Doherty]

Yeah.

[George Severis]

I have two thoughts about this one. Once I saw a TikTok that was about like. Like how every culture invents the dragon, like separate from each other. That's interesting because there's like something about.

[Sam Taggart]

The dragon that buys hot medium, remember?

[George Severis]

Of course.

[Sam Taggart]

Don't forget that.

[George Severis]

And so like this sort of pimps and hoes party is the dragon of parties. Every culture comes together to create this eventually.

[Sam Taggart]

And it's such a sad concept.

[George Severis]

It really is.

[Sam Taggart]

It's devastating.

[George Severis]

And then the other thing I wanted to say is, are you familiar with the porn category? Clothed male? Nude male kind of speaks for itself, actually.

[Claudia Doherty]

No.

[George Severis]

It kind of speaks for itself. One guy is clothed and one guy is nude.

[Claudia Doherty]

I actually could imagine that being.

[Sam Taggart]

And it's like a fight is like, get one clothes, one is the tartan one.

[George Severis]

Well, sort of like without. When gender is removed, you still want clothed male. Somebody wants to be clothed and one wants to be naked. No, but the problem is that the gender defines who is clothed and nude. Whereas it should be like, I want to be the nude male, I want to be the clothed.

[Claudia Doherty]

I see, so you're saying clothed is male, unclothed as female currently in current society.

[George Severis]

And I think it would be radical if they could choose I want to be unclothed or I want to be clothed.

[Claudia Doherty]

What we need is because basically they're.

[George Severis]

Trying to have a clothed nude party.

[Sam Taggart]

So we need to reduce the theme to clothed unclothed.

[George Severis]

Yeah, clothed, unclothed.

[Claudia Doherty]

We need gender swapped Kanye west and Bianca Censori where they broke up. I know. And also we.

[Sam Taggart]

She's Australian.

[Claudia Doherty]

That's right. Do you know her?

[Sam Taggart]

Yes, very close.

[George Severis]

Oh, you ran into her on your parents street.

[Sam Taggart]

I looked at her. She said she did scowl, but.

[Claudia Doherty]

But like, who's a, you know, famous powerful woman? It's like, okay, Selena Gomez. Selena Gomez should be fully clothed and then Benny Blanco should be fully nude.

[Sam Taggart]

Yes.

[George Severis]

I just think they should be able to choose. It should be like, you know, who wants to be clothed? Who wants to be nude?

[Claudia Doherty]

Yeah, but I think we need to make up for the year the Generations. The generations of, like, I think women need to, frankly, cover up.

[George Severis]

Men need to be nude.

[Claudia Doherty]

Men need to be nude.

[Sam Taggart]

Yes.

[George Severis]

I think it's. And then once they've done it for maybe a hundred years, then we can.

[Sam Taggart]

Then we can do everyone.

[George Severis]

Shoes. Everyone.

[Sam Taggart]

Choose. Then you can choose.

[Claudia Doherty]

Yeah, I also, I really. I'm. I'm talking fully nude because I actually don't like.

[George Severis]

Well, duh.

[Claudia Doherty]

The idea that, like, you know, what I don't like is like the sort of red carpet fashion right now where it's like men have their arms out or men are only wearing a vest. Like, that's a little too the word faggy.

[Sam Taggart]

Okay. Huh?

[Claudia Doherty]

Like, whereas if it's new, then it's almost like ancient Greek, like Olympics. Like, be a man.

[Sam Taggart]

And that's not faggy. Ancient Greek.

[George Severis]

That's funny.

[Claudia Doherty]

It's like. No, it's like sportsmanship and. And. And competition. Competition. The athletic spirit.

[George Severis]

Giving faggy.

[Claudia Doherty]

I think it's less so than having cleavage.

[George Severis]

I loved. Do you remember, like, was this, like, you know, six years ago or something? There was some. I forget who it was. It was like Raf Simmons or something. Who did the suits where it was just the dickhole cut out.

[Claudia Doherty]

Yes, yes, yes.

[George Severis]

I thought that was kind of genius.

[Sam Taggart]

That's funny.

[Claudia Doherty]

That could be fun.

[Sam Taggart]

Yeah. You'd have to put sunscreen on, of course.

[George Severis]

Get it hard. Get it hard.

[Sam Taggart]

I have to get.

[Claudia Doherty]

It's literally like some poor makeup lady being like.

[Sam Taggart]

I would recommend, though, putting the sunscreen on before you put the suit on, because sometimes putting sunscreen.

[Claudia Doherty]

You don't want to get sunscreen.

[Sam Taggart]

When you've got, like, a sweater on, you're like, oh, no, there's sunscreen on the sweater.

[George Severis]

That's so true.

[Sam Taggart]

But be really careful with stuff like that. As someone who wears sunscreen.

[George Severis]

Yeah.

[Sam Taggart]

And you never wear sunscreen, Sam. And you've never had a skin check.

[George Severis]

I wear sunscreen.

[Claudia Doherty]

Do not attack him.

[George Severis]

I wear sunscreen.

[Claudia Doherty]

I was worried.

[George Severis]

I wear sunscreen. I just happen to have.

[Sam Taggart]

Okay, great.

[George Severis]

I don't do daily. When I moved to Los Angeles, California, one year ago, I tried to do a daily sunscreen, but it gets in my eyes and it stings.

[Sam Taggart]

Using. You're using a chemical. You need to use a mineral. It won't burn your eyes if you do a mineral sunscreen.

[Claudia Doherty]

You just can't get.

[Sam Taggart]

Or you just need to get a Korean sunscreen.

[George Severis]

Yeah. Where do you order those?

[Sam Taggart]

Beauty of Joseon. There's just like, these special websites where you can get Korean stuff and I can't remember what they're called. Well, but they're called things like Stylevana.

[George Severis]

Oh, yeah. But, yeah, I've been trying to get into the game.

[Sam Taggart]

You've got to.

[George Severis]

But part of me is also, like, too late. Like, the damage is done.

[Claudia Doherty]

I feel like I've.

[Sam Taggart]

That's wrong.

[Claudia Doherty]

I've aged so much in the last three years. I just. Look, I, I growing up, I was always like, baby face, baby face. Like, I'd be 26 and people would be like, are you in high school? And suddenly I age.

[Sam Taggart]

Is it because you got ripped?

[Claudia Doherty]

No. Well, it is because the first time it I aged was because I lost weight. Because losing weight ages you.

[Sam Taggart]

Oh, yeah. The Ozempic.

[Claudia Doherty]

Yes.

[George Severis]

No one talks about that.

[Claudia Doherty]

Yes. And when I got on Ozempic, I. I lost weight once.

[Sam Taggart]

Do you know that Ozempic is made out of. Is like.

[Claudia Doherty]

Well, okay, no, no. Say we want to know.

[Sam Taggart]

Is that like, they got it from lizard venom? So it's like the witchiest thing you've ever heard is like, if you take a potion made out of lizard venom, you can spin.

[Claudia Doherty]

Yeah.

[George Severis]

That actually makes me like, that's so cool.

[Sam Taggart]

Yeah, No, I know. It's great.

[Claudia Doherty]

That's awesome.

[Sam Taggart]

I think it seems good.

[Claudia Doherty]

Yeah, I agree.

[Sam Taggart]

Yeah.

[Claudia Doherty]

I mean, as long as diabetic people.

[Sam Taggart]

Do not renounce, give it to them first, please.

[Claudia Doherty]

But otherwise, I think it's a win win for everyone. Basically.

[George Severis]

That's like the fantasy of science that you, like, can be like, oh, I actually have lizard venom. And I took a little bit of it and it actually made me better.

[Claudia Doherty]

That said, I would hate to not have an appetite, to not, like, crave a rotisserie chicken.

[Sam Taggart]

Yeah. Well, now I'm scared. I don't want to offend anyone.

[Claudia Doherty]

No, no, no. No one has ever been offended ever.

[Sam Taggart]

And I love baby. I agree.

[George Severis]

We put a disclaimer at the beginning of every episode that says we are not in a place to be to be critiqued.

[Sam Taggart]

Yeah, I'm never in that place.

[Claudia Doherty]

No. Well, you're in the right industry. Should we do our final segment?

[George Severis]

Yeah, let's do it.

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[George Severis]

Hi, this is Jevon, your blinds.com design consultant.

[Sam Taggart]

Oh, wow, A real person. Yep.

[Claudia Doherty]

I'm here to help with everything from.

[George Severis]

Selecting the perfect window treatments to. Well, I've got a complicated project.

[Claudia Doherty]

No problem.

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[Claudia Doherty]

I can even help schedule a professional measuring install.

[Sam Taggart]

I didn't realize you did that.

[Claudia Doherty]

We can also send you samples fast and free.

[Sam Taggart]

Wow.

[George Severis]

I mean, I always thought I needed.

[Sam Taggart]

A designer to come to my home.

[Lenovo Advertiser]

But scheduling is always a Nightmare. Not with blinds.com, we're on YouTube.

[George Severis]

Your schedule.

[Lenovo Advertiser]

And there's no haggling pressure or hidden fees either. Hmm.

[Sam Taggart]

I just might have to do more.

[Claudia Doherty]

Whatever you need.

[Lenovo Advertiser]

How about you tell me what you had in mind?

[Sam Taggart]

Okay, then. So the first room we're looking at is for guests coming over, and I'm thinking of something. Blinds.com has covered over 25 million windows, all backed by a 100% satisfaction guarantee.

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[Sam Taggart]

Rules and restrictions may apply.

[Claudia Doherty]

Our final segment, Claudia, is called Shout outs. And in this segment, we pay homage to the grand straight oral tradition of the radio shout out. You know, shout out to something. And, you know, imagine you're at trl. You're calling into a big radio show. The reason we're both looking very distracted is because we think of them on the spot.

[George Severis]

Yeah.

[Claudia Doherty]

So I'm really trying to think of one right now.

[Sam Taggart]

So it's like things to things you like.

[Claudia Doherty]

Yeah.

[George Severis]

Yes, that's pretty much it.

[Claudia Doherty]

Let me think, let me think, let me think.

[George Severis]

Oh, my God. Oh, my God. Oh, my God. Oh, my God. Oh, my God. Oh, my God.

[Claudia Doherty]

Oh, I think I can do one.

[George Severis]

Oh, please.

[Claudia Doherty]

Okay. Well, what's up, freaks and losers? I want to give a shout out to the store in New York that does the jeans that I was talking about. It's called the Consistency Project.

[Sam Taggart]

Whoa.

[Claudia Doherty]

The Consistency Project on Atlantic in Brooklyn. They the best girls there. They will literally, they. I went there once and then I went there again. Six months later. They remember me by name. They said, george, welcome back. And they. And they gave me the most perfect pair of Levi's 505s I've ever owned. I was running them the other day. I've also gotten a pair of Stan Rays there that were fit to my exact measurements. Those are even cheaper. Please support your local small business owned by women who know their way around a man's body non sexually because I was very comfortable the entire time. And so shout out to the Consistency Project. Go there if you want a nice pair of vintage jeans.

[Sam Taggart]

Great.

[George Severis]

Beautiful. Okay, I don't stop me if I already did this, but it's time. What's up, freaks, Losers and yes, perverts. I want to give a huge shout out to my little earring. I, you know, for many, many years I've been like, it's time. I should get a little earring. I should get a little earring. Then everyone already had one. I said, okay, it's really good. This clock is ticking. I should get a little ear. Finally I pulled the trigger. Not a second too late. I feel like it's incredible. I feel like my whole look has changed. And I get why people are like, no, it's fun. You get addicted. Because I was like, wow, a big shift. Just like that. Just one little appointment and there you go. And now I feel that I'm punk rock. I've never been edgier in my life. I am ready to fucking beat up people. And all my normal clothes don't feel so normal anymore because I am. I am a freak weirdo with one little earring. Xoxo.

[Sam Taggart]

Oh my God. Great. Oh, now I don't.

[George Severis]

And now you can go.

[Sam Taggart]

Hi, freaks. Everyone. Got all the perverts out there. I'm going to give a shout out to the hot cocoa I've been making recently.

[George Severis]

Oh, yum.

[Sam Taggart]

Yeah, so I love a really weak hot cocoa drink. One that comes with powdered milk with. In the. Within the. Okay canister. So I was on a camping. Well sort of a camping trip. Don't make me explain when I. What I mean by sort of stop being defensive. And we found, we found this hot cocoa, the stuff that has the powdered milk within it and you're meant to add like a lot and you're like, it's meant to be very sweet, but if you do it my way, it's not that sweet at all. You just put a lot of hot water in and it's the perfect wintry chocolatey way to end the day.

[Claudia Doherty]

Wow. Do you want to shout out the brand?

[Sam Taggart]

I couldn't tell you what the brand is.

[Claudia Doherty]

Okay, well, you're not going to be getting.

[Sam Taggart]

You're just going to look for anything that has cocoa, sugar and milk powder in it. And you're going to put in much less than the instructions tell you to.

[George Severis]

Less is more. You heard it first.

[Sam Taggart]

Exactly. It's watery. It's like a whisper of chocolatey ness. And it's barely sweet. And that's what I'm looking for.

[George Severis]

I love that. That was elect.

[Sam Taggart]

Thank you, freaks.

[George Severis]

Damn.

[Claudia Doherty]

Well, do you not to be weird of anything you want to promote?

[Sam Taggart]

I actually seriously don't.

[George Severis]

That is completely awesome.

[Sam Taggart]

Yeah, it's like a crazy time in the industry right now.

[George Severis]

No, actually, when people have something they want to promote, I'm like, enough.

[Sam Taggart]

Everyone can figure it out.

[Claudia Doherty]

Yeah. You know Google. Google client.

[Sam Taggart]

Yeah.

[Claudia Doherty]

Maybe DM her.

[Sam Taggart]

Exactly. DM me. I'll open it. I'll then swipe across thinking. You can't tell I've looked at it. Oh, man, that's. I mean, the amount of people. I've just humiliated myself so many times because I've said to so many people, oh my God, just seeing this.

[Claudia Doherty]

Yeah.

[Sam Taggart]

They've had seen on there for three weeks.

[George Severis]

But maybe they thought you like opened it while driving and so you didn't read it or something.

[Claudia Doherty]

It's also like, enough with like this sort of surveillance. Yes. I. I just saw it in the sense that I'm just replying to it.

[Sam Taggart]

Exactly. It's no one's business what I'm doing.

[George Severis]

Yeah. I'm also like. Well, I'm saying this as someone. I'm trying to make peace with this. We're not perfect, you guys. We're gonna make mistakes. Remember when I scowled?

[Sam Taggart]

Exactly.

[George Severis]

That was.

[Sam Taggart]

And of course, for a year I've been thinking, sam's not that nice. But now we know. You are nice.

[George Severis]

I was nice at the party though, right?

[Sam Taggart]

Yeah, you were. Okay.

[George Severis]

Thank you.

[Sam Taggart]

But you were like, what? What are you talking about? I'm like, two hours ago.

[Claudia Doherty]

Remember.

[Sam Taggart]

Remember.

[George Severis]

Do you remember where it was? Now I'm trying to remember it.

[Sam Taggart]

We're on Sunset Boulevard.

[George Severis]

Yeah.

[Claudia Doherty]

Can I tell you something? I. I wish I remember who this was. Literally two days ago, someone told me they saw you in your car and tried to say hi, and you ignored them. Who was it? I, I, I, I will look, think back to who I've seen on this trip, but literally, this just happened.

[George Severis]

Well, okay. I'm driving. I'm supposed to, in theory, I'm supposed to look at the road.

[Sam Taggart]

Right.

[George Severis]

I'm checking my mirrors.

[Claudia Doherty]

Exactly.

[George Severis]

I'm looking for people, for bicyclists.

[Claudia Doherty]

Who was it?

[George Severis]

Who was it? I need to know.

[Claudia Doherty]

Seen.

[George Severis]

I have to know.

[Claudia Doherty]

Yeah.

[George Severis]

I'm open to saying hello.

[Sam Taggart]

The thing you have to tell us is, like, do you ever, like, think to. Do you ever find yourself, like, someone smiling at you and you're like, ew, what's this losers problem? As if I would smile back at them.

[George Severis]

I think it's the opposite. I think I'm just, like, in my head. No. Okay. How I'm in. Okay. It's not the exact opposite. That's a. I misspoke.

[Claudia Doherty]

It's simply different.

[George Severis]

It's simply different.

[Sam Taggart]

Huh.

[George Severis]

I think I just am in my head and I'm, like, not thinking about, like, the public. Like, I'm not thinking I'm in public.

[Sam Taggart]

Yeah.

[George Severis]

And so I'm sort of, like, lost. And then people look at me and I'm sort of like, oh, they're not looking at me.

[Claudia Doherty]

So it is the opposite in the sense that you. It's not that you think you're better than someone, it's that you think no one would ever notice you.

[George Severis]

Yeah. I'm like, I'm not here.

[Sam Taggart]

Yeah, but you're so here.

[George Severis]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Claudia Doherty]

And you better start acting like it.

[George Severis]

Oh, I will never scowl again.

[Sam Taggart]

You can't.

[George Severis]

I can't get a rep. I can't get a reputation as a scowler.

[Sam Taggart]

I know. You want to show your reputation.

[Claudia Doherty]

Makes your butter yellow sweater.

[Sam Taggart]

Okay. Yeah. And you might look them up and be like, these are so expensive. But the price has gone up since I. It's Margaret Howell.

[Claudia Doherty]

Claudia.

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[Claudia Doherty]

Literally two weeks ago, we posted a reel where I was wearing a Margaret Howell sweater, and multiple people asked me where I got my sweater, and I had to literally say, it's Margaret Howe. But it was really discounted on essence.

[Sam Taggart]

Yeah. Because, yeah, I know. ESSENCE is the place to get her stuff.

[Claudia Doherty]

Yes.

[Sam Taggart]

If she even is a real person.

[Claudia Doherty]

I don't know anything about her.

[Sam Taggart]

Yeah.

[Claudia Doherty]

But they are the softest sweaters. Mine is more like a turtleneck one, and it's so soft.

[Sam Taggart]

It's just like, I really love sweater.

[Claudia Doherty]

Angel's Whisper.

[Sam Taggart]

Exactly. So, yes, I do have a Margaret House sweater.

[George Severis]

Well, Congratulations. I guess things aren't all bad in Hollywood.

[Sam Taggart]

So maybe I do have some secret projects, but I'm not shouting them out. Not here. I don't want to do that.

[Claudia Doherty]

I would love to be sponsored by Margaret Howell, because I actually now cannot afford, apparently so.

[Sam Taggart]

It's a British brand. Currently it's huge in Japan.

[Claudia Doherty]

Oh. Oh, that makes sense.

[Sam Taggart]

Yeah.

[George Severis]

Why does it make sense?

[Claudia Doherty]

Because I think it's, like, simple.

[Sam Taggart]

What are you saying, George?

[Claudia Doherty]

Simple lines, like classic. Classic good taste, not showy. Kind of the definition of quiet luxury, I would say.

[Sam Taggart]

Yes.

[Claudia Doherty]

I don't know if we're still using that term.

[Sam Taggart]

So it's silent luxury even when it's.

[George Severis]

Butter yellow, yet it was screaming at us.

[Sam Taggart]

Yeah, well, at George.

[Claudia Doherty]

Yeah. No.

[Sam Taggart]

Come on. You haven't said a word about it.

[Claudia Doherty]

Yeah. Do you even like her sweater?

[George Severis]

Oh, my God.

[Sam Taggart]

You're just thinking about your earring.

[George Severis]

No, you can't do this. I'm being attacked on my own podcast. This is crazy.

[Sam Taggart]

It's a gentle rib.

[George Severis]

Oh, my God. When George says something, I take credit for it, too.

[Sam Taggart]

Okay, that makes sense. That's allowed. You can do that.

[George Severis]

Because imagine if he said, I love your sweater, and I was like, and I love your sweater. You'd be objectified.

[Claudia Doherty]

Yeah, that's right.

[Sam Taggart]

I'd like that. Two compliments.

[Claudia Doherty]

Reaching out your sweater.

[George Severis]

On your sweater.

[Sam Taggart]

So nice. That's so nice.

[Claudia Doherty]

Maybe in Australia.

[Sam Taggart]

Here.

[Claudia Doherty]

That's weird.

[Sam Taggart]

My worries. It's too floppy.

[Claudia Doherty]

No, no, no. Even if it gets floppy, that just means it's like oversized. And you're.

[George Severis]

Yeah, and you're like a tiny. Oh, you're like a girl in college.

[Claudia Doherty]

Girl in college. Rich girl in college.

[George Severis]

Rich girl. Yeah. Ariana Grande. Okay, well, this has been a delight. Thank you so much for doing the pod.

[Sam Taggart]

Thank you so much. And do you know a secret? I've had a migraine the whole time. No, but level two. Level three. I took a suma trip time before I got here. It's fine.

[George Severis]

Oh, my God.

[Sam Taggart]

But also, we can't publicize. I mean, you can put it in podcast, but we can't publicize that too much because it will remove my excuse of. I often say I've got migraines when I.

[Claudia Doherty]

Well, we really appreciate.

[Sam Taggart]

But I do have one right now. Oh, no, it's okay. It's just like this.

[George Severis]

But it.

[Sam Taggart]

I. I had to come. I've always wanted to be on this show. The first time I saw it, Maeve Higgins. She posted.

[George Severis]

She's my dad.

[Sam Taggart]

She's to die for. And so that that was one of our best episodes. That was the first time that you.

[George Severis]

Called the Ireland trending.

[Claudia Doherty]

That's right.

[George Severis]

And you were fully right and I.

[Claudia Doherty]

Was completely right that Ireland was trending. And it's still trending.

[Sam Taggart]

Is it still trending?

[George Severis]

It's still trending.

[Claudia Doherty]

I mean, it's almost like I now people are even right. There was like a vulture piece or something. People are writing things about how Ireland is having a moment. And I'm like, when you were there two years ago on board, I think.

[Sam Taggart]

He'S very talented, but I think Paul Mescal was miscast in Gladiator 2.

[George Severis]

I didn't see it.

[Claudia Doherty]

I haven't seen it.

[Sam Taggart]

It's just like he's too nice to be the Gladiator.

[George Severis]

I've heard this from other people as.

[Sam Taggart]

Well, but I think he's great.

[Claudia Doherty]

People have strong opinions. Someone in this city, Los Angeles, told me that Gladiator 2 was the worst movie he had seen this year. Wow.

[George Severis]

I heard it was quite bad.

[Sam Taggart]

I liked it when there were sharks in the coliseum. I loved that.

[George Severis]

I want to see that.

[Sam Taggart]

It was really good.

[George Severis]

Oh, sure. They should put that into a YouTube video.

[Sam Taggart]

But the ocean doesn't look real.

[Claudia Doherty]

I forgot to shout out Dr. Number two.

[Sam Taggart]

Next time, next time, next time, next time.

[George Severis]

Okay, we have to stop.

[Claudia Doherty]

You're literally.

[Sam Taggart]

Sorry, sorry, sorry.

[Claudia Doherty]

All right, bye.

[George Severis]

Okay, bye. Podcast ends now.

[Claudia Doherty]

Want more? Subscribe to our Patreon for two extra episodes a month, Discord Access and more by heading to patreon.com Stradiolab and for.

[George Severis]

All our visual learners. Free full length video episodes are available on our YouTube.

[Claudia Doherty]

Now get back to work.

[George Severis]

Stradiolab is a production by Will Ferrell's Big Money Players Network and Iheart Podcasts.

[Claudia Doherty]

Created and hosted by Geor and Sam.

[George Severis]

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[Claudia Doherty]

Co produced by Bay Wang Edited and.

[George Severis]

Engineered by Adam Avalos Artwork by Michael.

[Claudia Doherty]

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[George Severis]

Ben Kling.

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[George Severis]

The Unshakables podcast is kicking off season.

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[Claudia Doherty]

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[Ryan Seacrest]

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