Surprise Call-In Show!

Summary

StraightioLab Podcast Summary: "Surprise Call-In Show!"

Episode Information:

• Title: Surprise Call-In Show!
• Hosts: George Severis and Kat Cohen (from the Big Money Players Network and iHeartPodcasts)
• Release Date: February 11, 2025

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1. Episode Introduction and Host Dynamics ([02:23] - [04:34])

The episode kicks off with Kat Cohen welcoming listeners back to StraightioLab, highlighting the bi-coastal nature of their discussions via Zoom. George Severis reflects on the relaxed and authentic atmosphere compared to their Patreon recordings, emphasizing how this comfort fosters their best comedic moments.

Notable Quote:

• George Severis ([02:34]): "Through that comes the best possible comedy because we can finally relax and be ourselves."

2. Party Tales and Social Observations ([04:10] - [10:23])

George shares an anecdote about attending a Fashion Week party co-hosted by Egg House, Lada, Tinder, and the ACLU at the Russian Tea Room. Despite both hosts initially claiming never to have visited iconic New York spots like the Russian Tea Room, they bond over their shared embellishments about their experiences. This leads to a broader discussion on authenticity and social interactions.

Notable Quotes:

• Kat Cohen ([04:27]): "When you were posting pictures from there, I was like, God, I miss New York."
• George Severis ([04:35]): "I actually found myself unintentionally lying... 'I've actually never been here.'"

3. Navigating Personal Lives and Parenthood ([10:29] - [14:59])

The conversation shifts to personal lives, with Kat recounting her experience dealing with her dog Gizmo’s health issues, likening it to parenting. George discusses his ambivalence towards having children, noting how having an on-call niece affects his perspective. They explore the complexities of deciding to become parents in one's 20s versus 30s, highlighting societal pressures and personal uncertainties.

Notable Quotes:

• Kat Cohen ([11:20]): "I was like, is this what it's like to have a child? Damn, I'm not built for it."
• George Severis ([12:15]): "Because the older you get, the more stuff... it makes more sense to be undecided in your 30s than it does when you're 23."

4. Revival of Hobbies and Personal Interests ([14:45] - [22:22])

Kat introduces the resurgence of hobbies among their demographic, mentioning activities like woodworking and dance classes. She shares her experience attending a gay choreographer Alec Cohen’s dance class, blending humor with observations about social dynamics and the performative aspects of cultural participation.

Notable Quotes:

• Kat Cohen ([15:15]): "We learned to dance to 'Green Light' by Lorde... it was extremely fun."
• George Severis ([16:09]): "Hobbies... are back in a big way."

5. Audience Call-Ins and Discussions on Identity ([20:19] - [55:00])

The episode transitions into a call-in segment where listeners pose questions about navigating gay identity, authenticity, and social behaviors.

Highlighted Calls and Discussions:

• Caller Zach ([20:21] - [22:22]): Seeks advice on acting more gay while staying true to himself after coming out at 27. George and Kat engage with humor and encouragement, emphasizing self-acceptance and continuous learning.

  Notable Quotes:

  • Kat Cohen ([21:12]): "Honey, with a voice like that, I don't think you need any more help being more gay, you bitch."
  • George Severis ([25:26]): "But I think both of us have things like that that are straight-leaning interests from our time in the closet."

• Tattoo Preferences ([39:43] - [45:24]): A caller in Washington, D.C. asks about the gayest and straightest places to get a tattoo. George and Kat debate various body placements, associating certain spots with cultural stereotypes and personal aesthetics.

  Notable Quotes:

  • Kat Cohen ([40:20]): "Upper thigh, 100%, because I see a lot of gay guys do this..."
  • George Severis ([41:45]): "Wrist is very straight. And also anything... you could imagine an infinity symbol going."

• Wrestling and Sexuality ([62:49] - [70:18]): A deep dive into the complexities of wrestling as a sport intertwined with perceived sexuality. George and Kat explore the homoerotic undertones and societal perceptions of wrestling, debating its place within the straight and gay cultural frameworks.

  Notable Quotes:

  • George Severis ([64:13]): "It's the one sport, even though it's on paper, the gayest thing you can possibly do is simulate sex with your friends."
  • Kat Cohen ([66:43]): "Wrestling... reminds me of... they can't get rid of their sex potatoes."

6. Additional Call-Ins and Final Thoughts ([55:00] - [73:41])

Listeners continue to pose questions ranging from appropriate TV shows during intimate encounters to broader discussions on social interactions and identity. George and Kat respond with their characteristic humor, blending personal anecdotes with cultural critiques.

Notable Quotes:

• Kat Cohen ([52:22]): "You ate that bitch. I want to commend you for your approach to sexuality."
• George Severis ([61:27]): "Trust Amica Home Insurance... Empathy is our best policy."

7. Closing Remarks and Future Episodes ([73:04] - [76:17])

As the episode winds down, George and Kat reflect on the engaging call-in format, encouraging more listener participation. They promote their Patreon for additional content and express gratitude towards their audience.

Notable Quotes:

• George Severis ([73:15]): "We love all the gay guys named Zach that called..."
• Kat Cohen ([76:05]): "Stradiolab is a production by Will Ferrell's Big Money players network and iHeart podcasts."

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Key Themes and Insights:

• Authenticity vs. Performative Identity: George and Kat frequently explore the balance between being true to oneself and conforming to societal expectations, especially within the LGBTQ+ community.

• Navigating Social Interactions: The hosts offer humorous but honest takes on everyday social scenarios, highlighting the challenges of maintaining authenticity.

• Cultural Stereotypes and Subversion: The podcast delves into how cultural symbols (like tattoos and sports) are laden with societal meanings and how individuals navigate these stereotypes.

• Community and Support: Emphasis on the importance of community support systems, whether through family, friendships, or listener interactions.

Conclusion:

In "Surprise Call-In Show!", George Severis and Kat Cohen deliver a vibrant and insightful episode that intertwines personal stories with broader cultural discussions. Through engaging listener interactions and their unique comedic lens, they unpack the nuances of straight and gay culture, authenticity, and social dynamics, making it a compelling listen for both regular followers and new audience members.

Notable Quotes with Timestamps:

• George Severis ([02:34]): "Through that comes the best possible comedy because we can finally relax and be ourselves."

• Kat Cohen ([04:27]): "When you were posting pictures from there, I was like, God, I miss New York."

• Kat Cohen ([11:20]): "I was like, is this what it's like to have a child? Damn, I'm not built for it."

• Kat Cohen ([15:15]): "We learned to dance to 'Green Light' by Lorde... it was extremely fun."

• George Severis ([20:21]): "I think what matters is you're being genuine."

• Kat Cohen ([21:12]): "Honey, with a voice like that, I don't think you need any more help being more gay, you bitch."

• George Severis ([25:26]): "But I think both of us have things... that are straight-leaning interests from our time in the closet."

• George Severis ([39:43]): "So, upper arm is straight, wrist is straight..."

• George Severis ([64:13]): "It's the one sport... the gayest thing you can possibly do is simulate sex with your friends."

• Kat Cohen ([66:43]): "Wrestling... they can't get rid of their sex potatoes."

• George Severis ([73:15]): "We love all the gay guys named Zach that called..."

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This detailed summary encapsulates the essence of the "Surprise Call-In Show!" episode, highlighting the hosts' dynamic interplay, key discussions, and memorable moments. It provides a comprehensive overview for those who haven't listened while retaining the episode's vibrant and engaging spirit.

Transcript

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[Kat Cohen]

Podcast starts now. Welcome all to Stratiolab. We are back bi coastally on Zoom. Just me and George today. George, how the hell are you?

[George Severis]

Hi. You know it's funny, we're so used to doing this for Patreon. You know the default Patreon recording is, you know, maybe a little bit raspy voice on a Sunday afternoon. Maybe one of us has a coffee, one of us has a smoothie or some other type of specialty beverage. There's no pressure to be firing on all cylinders comedically, but wouldn't you know it? Through that comes the best possible comedy because we can finally relax and be ourselves.

[Kat Cohen]

Yeah.

[George Severis]

And sometimes I forget that most people, statistically that listen to this podcast only get the non patreon episodes. And it's kind of like we live this life as kind of zoom domestic partners. We have conversations, we have debates, we cook dinner, we have breakfast. And then people only get to see the side of us that comes out when we have a guest.

[Kat Cohen]

Yeah. Yeah. They see us when we've spent all day cleaning the house, when we're wearing our best shirts, when we say, let's turn on the face. But now we're sort of letting you in. It's sort of this type of episode, which is the two of us. It's like being on vacation with someone and you then wake up the next day and you're like, so we're still hanging out, huh?

[George Severis]

Well, it's that, but it's also being like, God, we're so comfortable with each other that we can just stay in the silence.

[Kat Cohen]

Oh, absolutely.

[George Severis]

Like, one of us is doing the crossword and one of us is reading the latest issue of Harper's Bazaar.

[Kat Cohen]

Speaking of, I want to talk to you about your big party last night.

[George Severis]

Ooh. Well, I have to say, you know, I went to a big party last night. It was Egg House. Lada, Tinder, and the ACLU were the three co hosts of this big Fashion Week party. And wouldn't you know it, the MC was our very own Kat Cohen.

[Kat Cohen]

When you were posting pictures from there, I was like, God, I miss New York.

[George Severis]

Oh, and it was in the Russian Tea Room. Have you ever been there?

[Kat Cohen]

No, I've never even been.

[George Severis]

I hadn't either. And I actually found myself unintentionally lying and talking to someone and being like, I haven't been here in so long. And then they were like, I've actually never been here. And I was like, yeah, me neither.

[Kat Cohen]

You know, I. This is. This is something that we both have in common. Actually. If people assume I've been somewhere, I will let them assume it. I would never correct someone to be like. Like I. And I. Ye. I'll even go so far as to say I fully lied. You know what I lie about?

[George Severis]

What?

[Kat Cohen]

That I. Actually, the last time I was in New York, I got called the fuck out. Is I lie about having been to Basement oh, yeah.

[George Severis]

Have I been to basement? I actually don't even remember at this point.

[Kat Cohen]

I'm always like, yeah, I've been to basement. And then somebody point blank looked at me and was like, wait. It was like someone I hadn't met before, and it was sort of like a getting to know you convo, but it was there. It was like him and then a close friend, and he was like, wait, have you been to basement before? And I was like, no. And then it was like, it was Julio, and Julio's like, jaw dropped. And I was like, see, this is why I don't tell anyone that I haven't been to basement, because I don't need to go to basement to have been to basement.

[George Severis]

Totally. Well, this is like me having a terrible sense of direction but insisting on nodding vigorously when someone is like, you know that spot on Carmine where it's next to that one bodega? And I'm like, of course. Oh, God, I used to always go there in 2007. I can't bring myself because I have such a bad sense of direction. I don't know which things are. Which things I should know and which things are specific. Do you know what I mean?

[Kat Cohen]

I fully understand.

[George Severis]

It's sort of like, it's not embarrassing to not know a very specific niche intersection, but it is embarrassing to not know where Times Square is. But I don't know if we're closer to Times Square or closer to random intersection on Carmine when I'm talking to someone. So I just pretend that I know everything well.

[Kat Cohen]

And it's like, is there going to be a quiz on this? Because so many times you can just get through it and be like, I made them feel like they were heard. That's kind of all they wanted in that moment. And then sometimes they are like, but have you been there? Or like, but what's across the street? And I'm like, oh, sorry, I'm kidding. I don't know what you're talking about.

[George Severis]

Right. See, they want to have a conversation, whereas you're trying to just get a gold star to go through to get through the day. Like, you're just trying. You're just trying to prove to someone I'm also human. You're Amy Adams holding up the human sign in arrival. Meanwhile, they're trying to actually have an interaction.

[Kat Cohen]

Yeah. It's simply not right. It's not right at all.

[George Severis]

By the way. I just want to say for everyone listening and being like, God, they're being so loose and sexy. And I wish I could Hear more of this. You know, we do this twice a month over on the. Over on the Patreon. Patreon.com Stradiolab and it is. We are churning them out, doll.

[Kat Cohen]

Yeah. So you had fun at this party?

[George Severis]

Yes, I had such a good time at the party. I really did, actually. I was very, you know, with events, of course, you never know which way it's going to go.

[Kat Cohen]

Yeah, it's really hit or miss.

[George Severis]

It could go. You could be the outsider who doesn't fit in. You could the other side of things be like among the same people you see all the time. And that's also boring. And you're almost like, I wish an outsider would come in, someone like Ryan in the oc, let's say, and really shake things up in this town. Because I am sick of making the same small talk over and over again. And this was a real happy medium. You know, there were some people I knew, some people I didn't know. It was very nice to see Kat working the room. They played, oh, the dj. I'm actually going to look into who this DJ was so I can give them a proper shout out on a later app. We're talk like the perfect balance of, you know, there would be a B side from Madonna's American Life album. So they actually specifically played Nobody Knows Me.

[Kat Cohen]

Wow.

[George Severis]

Nobody Knows Me. And then there would be like, you know, let's say like a shot. Yeah. Sort of like a semi ironic Sade remix or something. But then it would go right into abracadabra heaven. Heaven and martinis were flowing. Finger food was the perfect, the perfect level of finger food because they can obviously be too little, but it can also be too much. And suddenly you're having whole slices of pizza.

[Kat Cohen]

Yeah.

[George Severis]

But it was just the right amount of past apps. And then at the end there was a full hour of just pigs and blankets. And you, you kept sort of thinking, oh, like, this is the last one. I have to pounce while they're still going. And then it would be like 45 minutes later. Pigs and blankets.

[Kat Cohen]

Wow. Yeah. And doesn't Kat famously love pigs and blankets?

[George Severis]

I actually do think that's true.

[Kat Cohen]

Wow. I wonder if it was because of Kat.

[George Severis]

Maybe it was because of Kat. She kept. She kept like making really funny references to the idea that Ekhauslata, Tinder and the ACLU were natural partners because obviously it's so random that it's those three companies. So she kept just being like, name a more iconic trio. I'll wait, I'll wait. I'LL wait here all day. Name a more iconic trio.

[Kat Cohen]

That is so funny. Wow. The more distance I have from New York, the more that I'm just like. It's literally Sex and the City. Like, I'm like, God, that sounds like a Sex and the City episode.

[George Severis]

I know.

[Kat Cohen]

And it's weird to see it from a zoomed out lens.

[George Severis]

Well, especially Russian tear, him, you know. Have you ever been to Tao?

[Kat Cohen]

And don't lie, I've never been to Tao.

[George Severis]

So I went to Tao for the first time this year, which is such a. I thought it was literally like a fictional Sex and the City location.

[Kat Cohen]

Yeah.

[George Severis]

But I got to tell you, you know, obviously there's some. It's glam in its own way, but it does feel like you're chasing something that is no longer there.

[Kat Cohen]

Yeah. It's like working in Hollywood. That's right.

[George Severis]

Well, yes, that's like.

[Kat Cohen]

Yeah.

[George Severis]

It's like working in any industry that isn't, I guess, like Doge.

[Kat Cohen]

Yeah. Or. Yeah. Or Amazon funded.

[George Severis]

Or Amazon funded. So what are we doing today? Tell the listeners.

[Kat Cohen]

So, pretty much today we're going to. It's very loose. We're going to go through some call and we're going to chat.

[George Severis]

Yeah.

[Kat Cohen]

And that's essentially it. I would, you know, I think what's amazing about going through calls is that I'm not even. We don't even say things like we're going to be giving advice because, well, quite frankly, we're not. What I love about, you know, as we continue to deconstruct everything around us. This is a call in show that's like, we will hear you play your call and then go, okay. And then we'll sort of talk about it.

[George Severis]

Totally.

[Kat Cohen]

It's a conversation.

[George Severis]

It's a prompt. We're having a conversation and then when we feel like it, we press the button. That's like, here's a new prompt.

[Kat Cohen]

Exactly.

[George Severis]

And whether or not we follow it and to what extent is kind of none of your business, because this is a free episode and you're not paying for it. This is ad supported.

[Kat Cohen]

Malma. I'm actually tired for no good reason. I mean, I did nothing last night but Gizmo the Dog. You know, normally a very healthy and strong constitution.

[George Severis]

Yeah.

[Kat Cohen]

Tell you what, he was diarrhea ing like crazy last night.

[George Severis]

Oh, my God.

[Kat Cohen]

And in a way that was kind of. I was like, is everything okay? So I kept having to get up and like clean things.

[George Severis]

Actually.

[Kat Cohen]

It was like a nightmare. But I think he seems better today. That's but it was really like, I was like, is this what it's like to have a child?

[George Severis]

Kind of.

[Kat Cohen]

I was like, damn, I'm not built for it.

[George Severis]

We, you know, our niece lives like a 10 minute walk from us, so it's very nice because we get to see her whenever we want. And I'm actually going to go see her after this. And you know, I've always been pretty ambivalent about having kids and I sort of thought having a niece would move me definitively in one direction.

[Kat Cohen]

Mm.

[George Severis]

And it almost has done the opposite where I'm kind of like even less decisive about it. Cause I'm like, oh, so now I just have like an on call child. Like I can go whenever I want and microdose. Being a parent.

[Kat Cohen]

Yeah.

[George Severis]

And I don't have to do any of the, like, difficult things. I never, like, when I miss her, I can just see her.

[Kat Cohen]

Yeah.

[George Severis]

Why would I have my own? But then also, if I'm driven to see her, does that mean I want to be a parent? It's unclear.

[Kat Cohen]

It's unclear. The whole thing confuses me quite a bit.

[George Severis]

I know. Well, here's the thing. Sorry. We will, I will play the first call, but I have a theory that, like, there's something about having a child in your 20s that is sort of a classic for a reason. Because you're just dumb enough to not. Or just inexperienced enough to not consider all the difficulties of it. And I actually think, because there's part of me that's like, oh my God, what am I going to be 50, still considering whether I want kids? And it's like, yeah, because the older you get, the more stuff, you know, and the more there is to sacrifice if you change your life radically from one day to the other. It's not, it's actually not that I'm, you know, immature or like, you know, or like I need to grow up, that I'm still undecided. It's like, yeah, it makes more sense to be undecided in your 30s than it does when you're 23.

[Kat Cohen]

I fully, fully agree. Sometimes I think about that with like, getting married too. When people got married at 25, I was like, that's so young. And I'm like, wait, maybe they were right. Like there was something like, it's like more like, yes, obviously there's more risk of like getting divorced later. But still it's like, but you were like, living out loud. You were like, not dumb enough to really consider everything else.

[George Severis]

And you know what else that's how I feel about career stuff too. Because, like, for example, in most of, of Europe, and I believe honestly, in most places outside of America, you apply and get into a field. It's like you apply to college and you get into the psychology program, you get into the law program, whatever. And then you're sort of like, well, we gotta do it live. Whereas here it's like you spend four years just reading books, then you have to have a 15 year long unpaid internship. And then suddenly at 35, you're like, oh, is my heart really in it? And it's like, well, by this point, someone in Sweden has four children and running for office.

[Kat Cohen]

Yeah, yeah, it's tough. It is tough. Being in this age is funny. I'm like, I can't tell if it's this age or if it's la. But hobbies are back. Did I tell you this?

[George Severis]

Really?

[Kat Cohen]

I think hobbies are back in a big way.

[George Severis]

Well, hobbies, I. I do think you are obviously right that like childless people in their 30s go back to hobbies. And that just is a fact.

[Kat Cohen]

That just is a fact.

[George Severis]

And what kind of hobbies are we talking?

[Kat Cohen]

Oh, you know, I think woodworking. I think like, okay, I took. I mean, this is like a. It's not a real one, but I went to the. Have you ever been to the gay guy dance class?

[George Severis]

You're gonna have to be more specific.

[Kat Cohen]

The one that Alec Cohen does.

[George Severis]

Oh, no, no, I haven't.

[Kat Cohen]

A choreographer on Instagram.

[George Severis]

Oh, I know him well.

[Kat Cohen]

He. He did an LA one yesterday and I went to it and it was extremely fun. Highly recommend if anyone is interested in. Is it like dance class?

[George Severis]

Pop music.

[Kat Cohen]

Pop. Pop music. We learned to dance to Green Light by Lorde Ooh. And it was so much fun. And. But I was like, I also couldn't stop zooming out and being like, this is like Charlotte going to like take a salsa class and like, hoping to like, switch it up and be like, I've still got it, don't I? I've still got it. I know.

[George Severis]

It's so hard to how like these things are coded as somehow embarrassing. It's like, oh, you want to like, develop a skill. You want to like, have fun. You want to meet people. Loser. We need to get away from that mindset.

[Kat Cohen]

It's also funny to be there and be like, there's all these gay guys that I either I don't know or have like, vaguely been at the same events as because. And like, we just all say hello as if we know each Other, like hugging and being like, hi, hi. And it's like, we do not know each other.

[George Severis]

Oh, also, I have to say, gay guy hellos have gotten to a. I would say avant garde point at this point. Like, you genuinely don't know if someone is going to, like, do a little jig when they see you or fully make out with tongue. And I have no idea what I'm even going for. And by the way, you know what? It's the most lame possible thing you can do. Go in for a hug. That's the one thing no one does anymore. If you're going in for a hug, you might as well be saying, no, homo. I don't care what you do behind closed doors, dude. But, like, it's not for me.

[Kat Cohen]

Yeah, you at least have to go moi. As you. As you do it, you have to do a little more.

[George Severis]

You have to go moi also. Or it's like. It's like two gay guys in a row will kiss me on the lips. So then I'll be like, okay, so this is a lip party. So then I'll go for it with the third one and he'll like, like, not be ready for it. I'm like, no, it's not my fault. Like, I thought we were doing lips tonight.

[Kat Cohen]

The precedent was set. I'm just following precedent. That is true. I love the gay guy hello.

[George Severis]

You know, it's funny, we've just created a version because already straight guy hello. Famously confusing because you don't know what sort of like, handshake they're going to go in for. And so now we've created that. But the more gay version, which is what level of makeout are you doing with your random online friend that you've met once before?

[Kat Cohen]

Honestly.

[Julio]

Honestly.

[Sam Taggart]

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[George Severis]

Speaking of gay versus straight, how about we take a first call?

[Kat Cohen]

Let's do it.

[George Severis]

Hi George.

[Zach]

Hi Sam. Big fan. My name's Zach. So I came out really late. I came out at like the age of 27 and that was like four years ago. And I have a wonderful boyfriend who is like my seeing eye dog for like gay world. But I still kind of feel like a kid who has homeschooled his whole life who suddenly is like at his first day of public high school. So I guess my question is like, how do I act more gay, for lack of a better term with while still like being myself and like how do I know like what parts of myself are truly me versus what I like condition myself to act like, think like, be interested in from being in the closet for so long. Thanks. Bye.

[Kat Cohen]

Honey, With a voice like that, I don't think you need any more help being more gay, you bitch.

[George Severis]

I actually, you know, I was gonna say, he has a hot voice to me. Am I wrong?

[Kat Cohen]

Well, I can be hot and still be gay sounding.

[George Severis]

Wow, look at me doing internalized homophobia. You're like, your voice sounds gay. I'm like, no, actually, it was pretty hot. I just want to say I think it's the perfect level of gay. I think it is in conversation with some of the great gay guys we know.

[Kat Cohen]

No, I think it's a great gay voice.

[George Severis]

I don't think it's. Especially. By the way, it's no problem. If it's. If it was super queenie, that would also be completely fine. But I think in the range of, like, super queeny on one end and kind of, like, surprisingly husky, like a Jared Goldstein, let's say, where you're like, oh, didn't know we were dealing with a mask for mask mama tonight. I think it is a perfect. Down the middle, and I think it is a perfectly lovely voice.

[Kat Cohen]

I think it's a perfectly lovely voice. And I'm sorry I said it sounded gay, but it. But so I'm not. I celebrated sounding gay, and. And I think it's a. I say it because it's a. It's always a funny question when someone's like, how do I be more gay? And it's like, totally. Look inward, bitch. You best start believing in being gay. You already are.

[George Severis]

I distinctly remember having this issue, you know, going to your first gay bar, gay club, whatever, and thinking the issue is that you're not gay enough, when actually the issue is that you're, like, too gay.

[Kat Cohen]

I wish there were some examples. I think, like, I know what. I know what he means, of course.

[George Severis]

And by the way, I have that feeling every time I'm in a new community of any kind. Of course you have that feeling.

[Kat Cohen]

Yeah, yeah. Like, I've always joked that I wish I had been closeted a little bit longer so that I could have a favorite football team, because I think as a gay guy now, it would be so funny to be like. Like, yes, I'm. I'm. I'm. My paws are up, but when the game's on, don't talk to me. I think that would be fun. But unfortunately, it didn't happen.

[George Severis]

You know, to that point, I just want to say, so many gay guys are per. Sorry to use the word performative this way, but performatively liking straight things these days. And I think it's not cute anymore. Like, stop it. Because actually at this point it's not ironic. You are just feeding into. Feeding into what Trump wants. Yeah, it's enough. Enough of a gay guy being like, actually what I really love is beer and football with the boys. Yeah, have some, have some. Have some self respect and listen to Tinashe.

[Kat Cohen]

Is that too much to ask? We're not asking you to stop liking. It's also just like, that's like, don't take pride in. It's like don't make you unique.

[George Severis]

It's just as kind of basic and normal as if a straight guy liked it. It doesn't make you special.

[Kat Cohen]

No.

[George Severis]

And I'm also especially angry about this today because I. So Matthew and I have a reservation for four at this restaurant. It's Super Bowl Sunday. Okay. Woohoo. And so I'm asking around, I'm saying, which gay guys can go with us? Every single one has super bowl plans.

[Kat Cohen]

Really.

[George Severis]

I'm like, wake the fuck up and come and come to this very desirable new restaurant, by the way, where it's difficult to get a reservation.

[Kat Cohen]

I mean, I've even this year is like, in the past I've ironically been like, let's like make. Misha likes to make chicken wings. And it's like, okay, let's just like have super bowl food and have people over and like pretend. But this year I was like, actually I fucking hate the Super Bowl. I sure I want to watch the performance, but that's it. And then like, so I'm not gonna waste my Sunday doing something ironically that I don't care about at all.

[George Severis]

Totally.

[Kat Cohen]

And we can make super bowl food for the fucking Oscars.

[George Severis]

Yeah. So I will say in terms of this question, you actually are in a great place right now if what you're searching for is more queer community because it's cool for gay guys to act straight now. So you have so much more practice in this. So you can really like teach people how to enjoy straight things.

[Kat Cohen]

That's true.

[George Severis]

But my favorite part of this question is definitely the question of how to disentangle what is actually your authentic personality from what you were socially conditioned to as a closeted person pretending to be straight. And I think both of us have things like that that are straight. Leaning interests from our time in the closet. Would you like to speak to yours?

[Kat Cohen]

Yeah. Mine is indie rock music.

[George Severis]

Exactly.

[Kat Cohen]

Mine is that when I get drunk, I'll say, let's put on silver juice.

[George Severis]

Yeah.

[Kat Cohen]

And it's like Come on. And it is like there's something about it where I am even still torn where I look like, where I do I like this or was this just like. Because I was in this friend group in college that like, this was the currency and this is all my memories of that. But it's like there's not really a difference. I think, like, I kind of think there's no way to disentangle those things.

[George Severis]

Yeah. I also think it's still you. Like, if anything, your connection to those things could be more complex because it is because you have a more. A more multifaceted relationship to it than just someone who's like, that rocks.

[Kat Cohen]

And I do think there is something. I understand caller too. Sometimes I get jealous of a guy who is like, just was gay from the, from the jump, like, knows all the like, Britney Spears B sides for some reason that no one else listens to. And it's like, like you're. They really feel like they're in it. They're in the gay culture in a way where you're like. That's so different than my relationship with it. And it's not that I like, don't like Britney Spears. I just only know the hits. And so it's. But I also think it's all. Everyone has varying levels of involvement in the gay culture.

[George Severis]

Yeah.

[Kat Cohen]

George, what's your straight thing?

[George Severis]

Oh, I will tell you in a second. But do you think a previous generation of gay men is like, listening to this and rolling in their graves? That are examples of gay culture are Britney Spears B sides rather than like the opera and like going to the Philharmonic?

[Kat Cohen]

Yeah, maybe.

[George Severis]

Whatever.

[Kat Cohen]

Whatever.

[George Severis]

Guess what? Whatever.

[Kat Cohen]

Oh, they're gonna be fucking dead soon. Fuck that.

[George Severis]

Yeah. And then we'll be. And then we'll be condescending to kids that are for whom the like, foundational gay texts are the TikTok of that one girl being like, it's about food. It's about omega 3s and fatty proteins. And then we're like, how about you listen to Email My Heart by Britney Spears bitch.

[Kat Cohen]

Ye. A real song.

[George Severis]

So mine. I, I. The only thing I can think of, honestly. I mean, I will say I went through like a soccer phase, but I think that was more so because I like the pageantry of things like the Olympics, things like the Euro Cup. I like to see countries that normally don't get their due countries like, you know, Argentina, let's say, or, or Brazil, you know, countries that are not global superpowers be like, like number one at something. So I did I would say, like, in the early aughts, I would, like, regularly watch the World cup or the Euro Cup. And I will. I will say it, that when I came to America, I did get off on knowing something, like having a sense of history about something that other Americans did not, and being able to, like, switch that gear and be like, oh, did you know George knows about soccer? So that was one. And then the other one, I think was just. I think I liked a lot more like, classic stand up. Like George Carlin classic stand up. You were much more alt from the jump.

[Kat Cohen]

That's true.

[George Severis]

Like, I'd be, like, into watching George Carlin's HBO specials or, like, looking up like, Richard Pryor or things like that. Of course, that really took me right to Joan Rivers very fast. So I don't want to overstate how much I stayed in that. No.

[Kat Cohen]

Well, you know, if people knew how much I used to Stan Louis ck, there'd be some issues.

[George Severis]

Oh, yeah. I mean, one of the best to ever do it. But I just want to say, you know, I think, like, sorry if this is a cop out, but I do just think, literally, you have to just let go. Like, you have this amazing boyfriend. It seems like you do have queer community. You have other queer friends. Just because they know another song or film or play than you do doesn't mean you have to have any insecurity about it. And guess what? You are a. You're going to be a lifelong learner. We're all still learning things. I. Every single time some random gay, gay icon, celebrity dies that I've never heard of, I feel so dumb. But then, guess what? I just looked them up. And then I'm ready to go the next day and I'm posting, I can't believe she was taken from us so soon.

[Kat Cohen]

At 98 years young.

[George Severis]

98 years young. Rest in power.

[Kat Cohen]

Rest in power. But, yeah, I fully agree. I think it's a lifelong journey.

[George Severis]

It's a lifelong journey. And I actually just think how exciting that you're four years into being out and you have this great boyfriend that you like and you're listening to Stradio Lab. I mean, that is more than so many people can say for themselves.

[Kat Cohen]

Honey, you're doing the work and you.

[George Severis]

Have a beautiful, sexy voice, and I stand by that.

[Kat Cohen]

That sounds LGBTQ plus.

[George Severis]

That's right.

[Kat Cohen]

Positive.

[George Severis]

All right, next call. Okay, I will say this person, A called on Christmas Eve, B, had the same. He has the same area code that I did when I lived in New Jersey. So shout out from one Jersey girl to another. Mama, thanks for calling in.

[Zach]

Hi, George and Sam. This is like kind of creepy and.

[George Severis]

Weird and I was like, I don't.

[Zach]

Know if I should, should send this message, but here I am. I was out to dinner and lo and behold, I sat next to the one and only Sam Taggart because it was one of those restaurants that was really, really, you know, close quartersy in Brooklyn. And I knew you were there and I didn't want to be weird and say I love the podcast, but I wanted to call and say I love the podcast. And also, is it weird to say, hey, I like the podcast and I laugh weekly to you, or was I correct in not saying anything? I can't decide truly if it's straight or gay to choose one way or the other. So I'd appreciate your input. Bye.

[George Severis]

Sam, do you have any recollection of what this could have been? It was in New York. So it was when you were visiting New York?

[Kat Cohen]

I think it was at Ops Pizza. Pizza place.

[George Severis]

Yeah.

[Kat Cohen]

If I had to guess, did you.

[George Severis]

Notice someone sort of shaking and looking and sneaking looks at you and, and you sweating and sort of tearing up and trying to make this decision?

[Kat Cohen]

No, I didn't notice. And in fact, you know, whenever I'm at Ops or a similar Bushwick based restaurant, I sort of look around with an expectation of, so does anyone know who I am or. Or have I completely lost touch with everyone? And yeah, go ahead, go ahead. Like there are days if I'm at like say the Exley and no one comes up to me and says, I like the podcast, I go, I guess I'm dead. I guess no one, I guess no one care about me and I am dead. So to this caller, always at this stage in our lives, come up and say, hello. We are simply not famous enough to have that be an issue. And it is still at a point where it is so, so, so tasteful.

[George Severis]

Yeah. And I want to echo that and say it genuinely is, it genuinely is positive every time. I feel like it's very rare that, you know, it's someone that's like, weird. And I'm like, oh, God, now I have to deal with. It's actually very nice to see that the people who listen are cool. And I'm like, damn, you're like, are rocking that little outfit and you're out and about and you are, you are going to go into that vintage store and you are going to come out with, you know, a pair of Levi's 505s that actually fit you perfectly. Because you, you know, you're one of those people that know how to shop vintage denim and can say, is this from 87 or 91?

[Kat Cohen]

Couldn't be me. But I respect you. And, you know, specifically come to us if we're with friends. I find that they will respect us more afterwards 100%. And it sort of proves our egos after that.

[George Severis]

Yeah. And, you know, we have so many experiences not to get vulnerable that actually bring us down a notch on a day to day basis just by virtue of, you know, the people we're surrounded by. So we, it. It always is welcome to, to, you know, just get a little ping of recognition. I'll tell you an example of something I'm talking about at the very party I was just talking about last night. I see someone I know coming out of this, out of this venue, and I think she's waving at me. I do a little wave. Beeline's right past me to Ella Emhoff. So that's what we're dealing with on a daily basis.

[Kat Cohen]

Folks, folks, that is really funny.

[George Severis]

So, yeah, if you see me at ops, you better fucking say hello.

[Kat Cohen]

You better come up and say fucking hi. Yeah, yeah.

[George Severis]

Okay, wait, let's do. Should we do the next one? Yeah, okay.

[Zach]

Hi, Sam and George. I just listened to your Ins and outs for 2025 episode and I completely agree with what you said about Amaro based cocktails. I one day wanted a Chinar spritz Chinar, the Amaro, but I didn't have any Prosecco or champagne, so I just used some Limoncello La Croix and it was spectacular. It is great. If you don't want to have anything particularly strong, it's essentially just watered down. Amaro cannot recommend it enough. I also think Chinar is a particularly gay Amaro, and I would be interested to hear the two of you rank various Amaros by gayness to straightness. That's all.

[George Severis]

So I have a huge surprise about this call, which is that I texted our dear friend Allison Roman, and I said, you know, Allison, I know you just gave birth two months ago and are in fact the mother of an infant, but you have to drop everything, including your child, to answer this question from our dear caller. And so I asked her to surrender, sort of kind of off the top of her head, tell me which Amari she thinks are gay and which ones she thinks are straight. And so we'll. I can post her texts. We can post her texts on Instagram, but some highlights. She says Montenegro is straight. She says facia bruto. Is bisexual but gay, which is actually very wise. And I, I completely agree with. She sent me a link for Amaro Nonino. Have you ever had that look up the bottle? She was like, this one's gay. And I completely agree. It is so stunning. And to have that in your home bar, I mean you are hosting, you're not even hosting an Oscars party because that's too conventional. You're hosting a Critics Choice Awards viewing party. And then I asked her to me, three of the main kind of basic ones that you see everywhere are Chinaar, Averna and Fernet. And I was like, all right, let's rank those gay to straigh. And she said from gay to straight. Chinaar, Averna, Fernet. Which goes along with what this caller is saying, that Chinaar is sort of gay. I do think Averna is kind of down the middle. And Fernette is to me very like straight bartender after his shift, you know, with, with the boys.

[Kat Cohen]

Yeah, it's very like 45 year old, like former punk band who now like owns a bar.

[George Severis]

Totally. And it's also like like adjacent to Williamsburg 2008 era unicycle.

[Kat Cohen]

It's that grown vibe. Yeah, that's really funny.

[George Severis]

Do you have any thoughts on Amari?

[Kat Cohen]

No, I agree. I think Shanar, I think, you know the way that it is difficult to pronounce, you know, many, many people have their own way of saying it. That's obviously one of the gayest elements of it.

[George Severis]

It's the Loewe of Amar.

[Kat Cohen]

Exactly. I went through a big Shinar phase because I was, I had convinced myself that this was like five years ago when I hadn't figured out what was going on inside of my body where I was like, certain alcohols really upset my stomach. And then that one I was like, this one is, this one works. So I was having like that with tequila and.

[George Severis]

Oh my God, was that good?

[Kat Cohen]

It was so good. It was sort of like a. It was almost like a tequila Manhattan or something.

[George Severis]

Yeah, I know. I find that they really add a sophistic, like a elevated fountain drink element to whatever cocktail you're having, which is sometimes exactly what I want.

[Kat Cohen]

Yeah, basically.

[George Severis]

And I want to give a shout out to. You know, I've been, I'm sticking with our prediction that Amara based cocktails are in for 2025. And I've been ordering them left and right at restaurants.

[Kat Cohen]

Really?

[George Severis]

I recently had a very good one at Eel Bar in New York. So if you're in, if you're in Manhattan. Manhattan, check it Out.

[Kat Cohen]

Huge.

[George Severis]

Okay. Ooh. Okay, this is a good one.

[Zach]

Hi, Sam and George. This is Zach calling from our Nation's capital, Washington, D.C. my question is, where are the gayest and straightest places on your body to get a tattoo? Thanks.

[Kat Cohen]

Love you.

[George Severis]

I want to say this is the second Zach we've had this round, and also, usually we have a pretty balanced gender. We have a pretty, like, good gender balance in Kohl's, but this time specifically, it's a lot of gay guys.

[Kat Cohen]

I mean, they took three eight five. Three eight, five. Is that our number? 385 gay guys. They took 385 gay guys quite literally. Yeah.

[George Severis]

It's like, that doesn't mean you can only call if you're a gay guy.

[Kat Cohen]

Anyone can call you guys. So the gayest parts or straightest parts to get a tattoo on your body. This is complex because. Okay, here's one that I think goes in the gay category.

[George Severis]

Yeah.

[Kat Cohen]

I think upper thigh, 100%, because I see a lot of gay guys do this and then wear their little short shorts so that you can see the tattoo still.

[George Severis]

Yeah.

[Kat Cohen]

And I find that to be fun. I actually like that placement. I'm like, the lower back tattoo. I want to know where you think it stands these days. Ways.

[George Severis]

Okay. So my first thought just off the top of my head about this question is the more conventional placements are the more straight, and the less conventional ones are the more gay. So straight is like. It is like upper arm, where someone would have, like, a big cross like, that is straight. Lower back tattoo. Classic sort of woman on spring break. You know, she's having the time of her life, and she's getting a frozen mark like, that is straight. I think chest, like a lion on your chest is straight. Like chest, upper arm, lower back. You know, it's very straight. To me. Ankle, like, ankle is to me kind of like a mom from Colorado that is one Facebook post away from being anti vax. But she loves the outdoors, and she sort of, you know, she'll, like, call her husband a pussy.

[Kat Cohen]

Wrist, to me, is also very straight. In that same category.

[George Severis]

Wrist is very straight. And also anything, like, anywhere you could imagine an infinity symbol going.

[Kat Cohen]

Yeah. Wow.

[George Severis]

So then I completely agree with you about the leg placement. I think similarly to that, something that's, like, in the lower arm, like, right below the elbow and off center or something is very gay. It's very, like. Like, you know, it's sort of on the continuum of graphic designer, architect, you know, kind of that, you know. Yes. You're mixing Art and commerce. But you're doing it tastefully.

[Kat Cohen]

Here's one. I think belly tattoos are back.

[George Severis]

Yes.

[Kat Cohen]

Like, in a big way.

[George Severis]

Like Cisco style.

[Kat Cohen]

Yeah. Or like. And I think. And I'm specifically seeing, like, bears get them in a way that I think is. Is a cool look. Yeah. And. And I do think it's because I'm not seeing, like, straight guys with abs do it. I'm seeing, like, gay bears have them in a way that I'm like, well, that's. So I'm counting that one as gay now, too.

[George Severis]

Belly. Like over the belly button.

[Kat Cohen]

Yeah, like, sort of like the Tupac thing.

[George Severis]

Oh, I see, I see, I see. Okay. I was, of course, imagining Cisco's thing that goes around his belly button.

[Kat Cohen]

No, no, I was thinking. Yeah. Like the Tupac word.

[George Severis]

Yes. Which is also. I mean, this is different, but like, Rihanna underboob tattoo.

[Kat Cohen]

Yeah.

[George Severis]

That is gay.

[Kat Cohen]

Yes, I think that's gay. I think that counts as gay.

[George Severis]

I think if it was someone other than Rihanna that had popularized it, it could have gone into the straight direction. But I think she has enough of a cool factor that it remains slightly off kilometers.

[Kat Cohen]

Hot take. I think face tattoos are straight.

[George Severis]

100%. Face tattoos are. I mean, I keep wanting to say Benson Boone, but that's someone different. But, like, you know exactly what I'm talking about when I say Benson Boone. They are. Face tattoos are like the thing that someone named Benson Boone would have.

[Kat Cohen]

Yeah. You're thinking of like, Post Malone.

[George Severis]

Post Malone.

[Kat Cohen]

And who's that? Like, little swimmer? Like, what was that, swimming? Teddy swims or something?

[George Severis]

Teddy Swims Tattoos, I would say, are also strict straight.

[Kat Cohen]

Yeah.

[George Severis]

But here's the twist. Neck tattoos are also lesbian. I think there's a. You know, they're a little bit. Hey, mama. Lesbian. You know, big baseball cap, straight rim.

[Kat Cohen]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[George Severis]

It's like her name is Lauren, but not in like a chica. Not in like a we're going to brunch way. In an. In a I will knife you way.

[Kat Cohen]

Yeah, I see that. While we're on the topic of lesbians, can I divert from this? I think we covered the tattoos.

[George Severis]

Okay. Can I say one more thing? Rib.

[Kat Cohen]

Rib.

[George Severis]

Gay or straight? That actually, I think, like, rib, you know, under your armpit. I almost think that is the most down the middle. That is the most bisexual. Because I think it really. It depends on the vibe of the person who has it. And. And it's almost like rib is the arm of gay. It's like a rib tattoo is like either a Straight person trying to be alt or a gay person trying to be tasteful.

[Kat Cohen]

Yeah. And all of these. It's just like, they will all be gay if they're stick and poke, you know?

[George Severis]

Yes, 100%.

[Kat Cohen]

I want to talk about.

[George Severis]

I want to talk about our backlash.

[Kat Cohen]

I want to talk about our clip. We posted a clip in which we were discussing lesbians and saying they love masc and femme.

[George Severis]

Yes. The butch and femme dichotomy in lesbian and other queer communities.

[Kat Cohen]

And then we said, we need to have a summit to talk to the lesbians about this. And so, in sort of classic online fashion, we're getting, like, random. Random people out of the woodwork, being, like, really angry, which I get, by the way.

[George Severis]

And we knew that. Sorry. But, like, I knew that would happen. Like, we know we're growing here.

[Kat Cohen]

Yeah. We know what we're doing here. It was, like, an obvious thing, but in a way that I kind of thought, like, that style of Internet had passed. I was sort of like, there's so much, like, stuff in the world that, like, there's no way we're going to get random people coming out and being like, this is disgusting. Stay in your lane. Like, stuff like that.

[George Severis]

But I actually think the fact that we haven't gotten more is a sign of what you're saying. Really?

[Kat Cohen]

Really?

[George Severis]

I think so. Because I think in 2020, that would be, like, shared in the front page of the New York Times, and it would be like the chasm between gay men and gay women.

[Kat Cohen]

Yeah. I think, like, there's a part of me where you. Because you chose that clip, and I actually thought it was genius. And I felt like we were, like, letting go of the wall of the pool. We were, like, actually swimming because we're being Teddy Swims. We're being Teddy Swims because we both knew there's going to be people that take this out of context and are mad. But it's also, like, you look at the clip and everything said is actually deeply inoffensive. And so it's like.

[George Severis]

And we're literally saying the entire time, we don't know we want to talk to lesbians about it.

[Kat Cohen]

Yeah. And so it was just like, I was actually very proud of us for committing.

[George Severis]

Sure. We're going Elon Musk mode.

[Kat Cohen]

We're going. We're going. We're getting like. We're not leading with fear.

[George Severis]

No, we're not leading with fear. And I think. And we're also trusting. We're trusting our audience.

[Kat Cohen]

Yeah.

[George Severis]

Which I actually think. I think being like, condescending to your audience and treating them as children is much more offensive than just trusting that they understand context and are open minded about your flaws and the gaps in your knowledge.

[Kat Cohen]

And we're just fine with it. Like, the people being, like, posting something crazy, it's sort of like, it's weird to look at because you're like, well, that's bizarre. And you almost want to be like, hey, I think you're misunderstanding. But then you're like, oh, who cares? Like, whatever.

[George Severis]

You know, there's something, you know, you see a comment that grossly misstates what you said or something, and of course you want to be offended, but you can also just be like, isn't it beautiful? We're all part of this giant community and it's such a big tent that you're a dumbass. Can coexist with me in the comment section of this stupid random video.

[Kat Cohen]

It's really. It is interesting the different Internets everyone is on.

[George Severis]

Yeah.

[Kat Cohen]

And I was actually, like, the way that people are disliking this clip again will make it do better. Like, and it's.

[George Severis]

That's the question. You know, that's what I learned from Chris Hayes's book about the attention economy. You know, it's. It's not about good or bad, it's just about attention or no attention.

[Kat Cohen]

Yeah. So that was interesting. Yes.

[George Severis]

And of course, the lesson from Trump is be more like him.

[Kat Cohen]

I mean, folks, if you can't beat him.

[George Severis]

All right, wait. Not to be so obsessed with this tattoo question, but final question. Finger tattoos a la Ariana Grande. Where do you stand?

[Kat Cohen]

Well, this is where I was almost afraid to. For this to be asked because it's really complex. Because I think when women get the, like, Ariana Grande really dainty ones, that, to me is so, like, like, straight girl that lives in la.

[George Severis]

Well, it's. It's straight girl that has read the Body Keeps a Score.

[Kat Cohen]

Yeah. And like, to me, it's a sign of. You know, I'm thinking of, like, one specific woman I saw at brunch maybe two months ago that I actually haven't been able to shake because she had the little finger tattoos. But everything was so done. Like, the makeup was perfect, the hair was perfect. Like, and this is at like 11am yeah. And on a Saturday. And I was like, you're, like, almost wanting the finger tattoos to show. Like, I'm not perfect, but everything inside of you is screaming, please see me as perfect.

[George Severis]

Yeah.

[Kat Cohen]

That. Seeing the finger tattoos just adds more perfection. Like, I'm like, that is just. You're trying to balance how perfect everything is, and you can't. Like, that's too perfect. Also.

[George Severis]

Genius.

[Kat Cohen]

So I. I'm. But then the. The knuckle tats also. I go either way like that.

[George Severis]

Because it could be leather. It could be leather culture. Yeah, yeah. The e. You know, stud written knuckles.

[Kat Cohen]

And so I'm. I'm torn on. On that because I don't know many straight guys who, like, just sincerely do that nowadays. Maybe that's because I only hang out with cucks and losers. Yeah. But I do know gay guys who have it because of that eagle vibe.

[George Severis]

Yeah.

[Kat Cohen]

And I also think it's hot.

[George Severis]

Total. Totally. I would say also anything around the collarbone, I think, no matter the gender, is pretty gay.

[Kat Cohen]

Yeah. Yeah.

[George Severis]

All right, next call. Oh, no, this is. This is a big star of the night.

[Zach]

Hey, George and Sam, I have a question for what you would do in a scenario that I have experienced recently. So I meet this cute guy on an app, and he says he wants to come over and have me use him as a foot rest while I watch tv. And I was kind of like, that's a new one for me. But, you know, I can oblige easy enough. But then I was like, well, what do I watch? Like, I can't. Like, I don't know, put on an episode of Drag Race, or maybe. Maybe I could. And we could both watch together. And I. I don't know. I was really kind of going through a spiral trying to think of what would be appropriate in that scenario. I ended up going with a hockey game because that felt safe. I don't even follow sports, and I don't think he does either. But that just kind of felt like it was the right mood. But I'm curious what you would do in that situation.

[Kat Cohen]

Like, what.

[Zach]

What TV shows or movies do you think would be good to watch while you're using a stranger from the Internet as a footrest? Let me know what you think. Okay, bye.

[Kat Cohen]

Damn, I love that.

[George Severis]

First of all, I'm standing up and I'm giving that standing ovation. Nicole Scherzinger style at Sunset Boulevard. I'm saying, you ate that bitch.

[Kat Cohen]

You ate that bitch. I want to commend you for your approach to sexuality. I feel like I have a really similar approach where, know, I've. I've been on record as saying this, and I stand by it. I unfortunately have an improviser's approach to sexuality, where if someone says, I want to try this, I'm like, sure, yeah, okay, I'll try that. Totally. And I, like, there are people that you get hit up by on the apps where they're like, I want to do this. And you're sort of like, well, especially when it's, like, low effort for you, where it's like, if you're getting a kick out of this and I can tell people I get to use someone as a footrest, then sure, I'll try it.

[George Severis]

And I want to commend you for. So that's. That's sort of your Sam side, is the improviser's approach to sexuality. I think the George side of this is hearing that and your thought being not, like, questioning the sexual part of it, but questioning what. What do you watch on tv? Like, that kind of, like, neurotic indecisiveness and then being, like, paralyzed by that choice. So much so that you sort of like, forget what you're doing. This all for is very, you know, me sitting down to write.

[Kat Cohen]

I really do see how complicated it is because I think I'm. I'm a little confused. Like, do you use them as a foot rest and then hook up, or is it just you use them as a foot rest rest and then leave? Because if you're then hooking up, then I would want something that's sexy to you as well. Yeah, like. But yeah, if you're just like. If you're. If the whole goal is sort of just ignore him, then I think it could be fun to put on something that even something that you enjoy that he, like, actively does not know anything about.

[George Severis]

Totally.

[Kat Cohen]

I was even thinking it would be fun to sort of put on, like, or do something that he does want to see. And don't let him watch, like, put on, like, the new episode of Severance and be like, but you have to turn away from the TV while I enjoy it.

[George Severis]

What about this? Okay, you do, like, an exaggerated version of not being able to decide what you want to watch, and you're just going from Netflix homepage to HBO homepage to Amazon homepage, pressing something and then getting out of there two minutes in, doing the most annoying possible thing someone could experience secondhand.

[Kat Cohen]

I actually love that. That's really torturous.

[George Severis]

I think that could be fun. I think, needless to say, there's something especially kinky about watching a really wholesome family. Truly watching A Christmas Story while you are using someone as a foot rest.

[Kat Cohen]

Yeah, that is fun.

[George Severis]

Or along similar lines, watching, like, a rom com, like watching Devil Wears, you know, Bridget Jones's Diary or something.

[Kat Cohen]

What. What would you, like, realistically? You're going to do this? What would you choose?

[George Severis]

Okay, let's see.

[Kat Cohen]

Because I think, unfortunately for me, I would choose something sort of inoffensive. Like, I do think I would watch, like, honestly, Survivor, like something that I can check in on or can check out of. And yeah, I think I would watch something a little innocuous like that.

[George Severis]

I have to say, I think in theory that is the right thing to do. And I actually think that's what this person would want. I would sort of not be able to resist the temptation to watch something gay and just sort of add another layer of kind of confusion to the whole thing. Just watch something that I know has a very intense sex scene scene and just be like, let's see where this goes.

[Kat Cohen]

Sure, that's fun.

[George Severis]

I don't know why, but I keep wanting to say Michael Clayton or like, a legal thriller.

[Kat Cohen]

Yeah.

[George Severis]

Because, you know, what it is, is. Okay, here's what I think is drawing me to it. You want something that gets your heart rate up and has tension, but not in a sexual way, because that would be too obvious. Like, it's actually sort of amateurish to press play on, like, literal points born. But what if you press play on Run Lola Run? You know what I mean?

[Kat Cohen]

Yeah.

[George Severis]

Or the Born Identity?

[Kat Cohen]

Well, I'd love to do a re. Watch. Of course, I. I do think the hockey game is a smart choice.

[George Severis]

Yeah, no, I get it, but.

[Kat Cohen]

But then it's also, like, a little too performative if you don't even really care.

[George Severis]

Well, that's the thing. If you don't care, then you're basically sitting there being like, oh, my God, I can't believe I'm using him as a foot rest. I can't believe I'm using him as a foot rest. You do.

[Kat Cohen]

It has little. You actually want to watch.

[George Severis]

Yeah, right. Exactly. Okay. Wow, this is interesting. I also. I sort of want to know, like, how this night turned out.

[Kat Cohen]

I mean, all media and sex are confusing. This is something I think about a lot with, like, I don't know, like, if. If you're, like, hanging out with people who are, like, potential sex sexual partners, and you're like, you know, hanging out, playing music. It's like, normal. And then you're like, okay, let's go to the bedroom. And then there's no music. And it's sort of like, oh, well, this now feels like very, like, let's get it done. And it's like, well, you want that, like, hangout vibe still, but Then if you're, like, very purposely putting on music in the bedroom, it's a little like, well, you're a pervert. Like, don't. Like, why would you stop and think about what music to play and then. And then like, to have a sex play?

[George Severis]

Like, the politics of sex music is. Is. Is one of the most confusing areas, I would say. Yeah, you literally can't. Can't. It's so difficult to find the happy medium where on the one hand you're trying so hard if you're putting on Sade Totally or whatever, but then on the other side, you're not going to put on Vampire Weekend. So, like, what is it?

[Kat Cohen]

And I genuinely don't know. I mean, it's like even something like Joanie Mitchell is like, whoa, that's. What. What are you. What are you doing?

[George Severis]

Like, you know what's the most cliche? You know that band, Ry?

[Kat Cohen]

No. Is it R A Y E Make.

[George Severis]

Love to Me One More Time. R H Y E. It is. They truly make. By the way, I'm a fan, don't get me wrong, but they make sex music for straight people who live in Clinton Hill. Like, it is specifically meant to be played in that context. And listen, it does the job, but it is so obviously for that that it almost like, desexualizes what you're doing. Okay, here's my final thought on this footrest thing. Regardless of what you watch, here's what you do after it's over. Ready? Literally just get up, go to your bedroom, close the door, as they were just going to sleep, come back out fully nude, just to turn off the light in the living room. Go back into your room. He's in the dark. He's. He's literally on his hands and knees in the dark, and you are asleep. He's fully humiliated, and he now has to pick himself up in the dark and leave your apartment.

[Kat Cohen]

Wow, you're good at this.

[George Severis]

Thank you.

[Zach]

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[Julio]

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[Zach]

Hi Sam and George. I have a question that I really need your help with. Need some scientific inquiry here. What the fuck is going on with wrestling? Not the professional wrestling with like you know, John Cena, but like the college high school wrestling. It is so, so homosexual and yet, you know, non self awareness. Midwestern dads who, their favorite activity is mowing their lawn. They go crazy for it. So like what's going on there? I think we need a full radio lab investigation. I know you guys have kind of covered, covered it a little bit on like I think the context sports episode and that was helpful. But I think maybe Sam needs to go undercover and join a wrestling team. I think maybe George needs to do like a full, you know, spotlight style research. I think maybe you guys should do like do a commentary on a wrestling broadcast. I don't know, I just think, I think we need, we need to know what's going on. I need to understand it's like it transcends straightness and gayness in a way that maybe will heal the world or maybe we'll destroy it. I don't know. But just wanted to get you guys thoughts. Love you. Bye.

[Kat Cohen]

This is like, the way that I'm simply too biased to actually engage with this is, is. It makes it journalistically impossible because I'm like, it just is too sexual to me. It is too sexual. It is too hot. It is like the wrestling teacher, the wrestling coach at my, you know, middle school, high school. The way that I wanted to have sex with them so bad, like every. I remember wanting to join the wrestling team and I'm being like, no, you don't. And ultimately she was right. But I did. I was just like, I think. And I, I didn't even know how to label it. I didn't know. I was like, oh, I'm just horny and acting crazy. But I was like, I was fully just like, I'm horny and want to join the wrestling team. And it is deeply, deeply, deeply confusing. And I agree. I don't know what the deal is with Midwestern dads that love it, but I wish, like, it's almost like I'm jealous that they're able to engage with it in a non sexual way because I cannot.

[George Severis]

Yeah, it's funny that you wanted to join because I had the opposite reaction where, because it was so clearly sexual, I was like, well, I'm gonna get a boner and I can't be just. Just like. Not that anyone was begging for me to join the wrestling team, by the way, but it like, I could never be expected to be just like being touched by a man while like cupping his butt and then not. And what am I going to do?

[Kat Cohen]

You're literally like miming fucking for like the whole time.

[George Severis]

But I almost think this topic, I almost think high school and college wrestling is like the topic that breaks the stradio lab model. Like there is actually something, something about it that is. It's not exactly the exception that proves the rule, but it's like it is so perfectly down the middle and emblematic of all the things we talk about. About how something is so straight that it circles back around to being gay. About how being homoerotic is actually straight sometimes because it's an expression of masculinity. It's like it's father son relationships, it's high school sports. It is like men weighing themselves. It's little leotards and color coded outfit. I can't even begin to process how I would rank it as gay or straight or put it in conversation with other topics that we've had, which is why I think we've done UFC fighting, which is different. I could easily talk about like pro wrestling. I could Talk about, like, boxing, but there is something about that kind of wrestling that kind of breaks the brain.

[Kat Cohen]

It really does. And I honestly wonder how, you know, wrestling as a sport, as a college and high school sport, made so much more sense when people were closeted, when people had to be closeted, because it was sort of like, well, why would this ever be attractive? And now that it's like, well, obviously this is attractive to some. It's like. It's like, this doesn't make sense anymore. Like. Like, I'm thinking of the Duke wrestling. Instagram knows people find it hot. They, like, post videos of the wrestlers, like, wrestling and then, like, stand, and you're like. You can see their bulges. You can see, like, how hot and horny that all is. And they, like, are leaning into it a little bit, or at least the social media manager is. And we were like, I don't know if this is right either. Like, like, it's. Don't get me wrong, it's hot. But I'm like, this is crazy. This is just, like, these are just athletes.

[George Severis]

Yeah. Yeah. Why are you posting. Why are you posting them with the caption like, who's got cakes today?

[Kat Cohen]

Yeah, yeah. But I've, like, genuinely lost myself on an Instagram account for, like, 15 minutes because I was like, damn, this is so hot.

[George Severis]

Yeah. I mean, I will say, the sort of tragedy of someone being a real athlete, like, being genuinely training to be good at something and giving it their all and doing it out of a pure love of the sport and out of a desire to win and not being able to escape how porny they look is definitionally camp. You know what I mean? There is something that is where you cannot exist outside of the sexual implications of the performance.

[Kat Cohen]

You know what this reminds me of, actually? It's Jacqueline Novak's sex potatoes joke, where she's talking about being a woman, having a woman's body, and it's like you're constantly walking around with a bag of sex potatoes, and everyone's always like, ooh, sex potatoes for sale. And she's like, no, I'm just walking around, and she can't take off the sex potatoes. And that's how wrestler, like, wrestlers are just trying to wrestle and. And people keep trying to buy their sex potatoes, and they can't get rid of it.

[George Severis]

No, they can't get rid of them. Although, I mean, then it's like, actually when you're there and it's just straight people and fathers, no one is addressing the sex potatoes. They actually are all living In a bubble where there is no. No one is thinking, like, isn't this camp? No, no one is thinking, like, isn't it weird that he just, like, touched his. Like, pulled his test testicle?

[Kat Cohen]

Yeah. Isn't it weird that he just mounted him? Yeah, I. Yeah. I mean, wrestling in particular, because other sports have, like, variations of nudity, variations of swimming. I mean, swimming, for crying out loud. But they're not rubbing each other.

[George Severis]

They're not.

[Kat Cohen]

They're not dominating one another. Like, it's literally.

[George Severis]

And water polo, for example, is gay. Like, it's like, you are. You. You. They're. It's very, like, silly to be, like, splashing around and then put, you know, drag down someone's bathing suit and you can, like, briefly see their ass. Like, that is. That's silly. Whereas wrestling. There's also something about wrestling that just reminds me of, like, there's something quintessentially not sad. That's not what I want to say. But, like, it's very. Like, the dad was a wrestler himself, but then got an injury. Like, it's very Mickey Rourke in the Wrestler. There was something so where you just, like, all of them are underdogs, no matter if you're winning. Like, all of them are underdogs, and you want to see them succeed. And I actually, even saying all of this, I feel bad making fun of wrestling because I'm like, those men are doing their best. This is all they got.

[Kat Cohen]

No, you're so right. The. The moment you decide to become a wrestler, you are an underdog.

[George Severis]

Yes, exactly. The moment you decide you are an underdog. Your mom has curly bangs and she's trying to feed her seven children.

[Kat Cohen]

I'm thinking about the people that were. Did wrestling in high school, and they were all underdogs. Like, it's like a certain level of, like, sort of athletic, sort of nerdy.

[George Severis]

Yes. 100.

[Kat Cohen]

Like, yeah, that is really interesting.

[George Severis]

Even though it's such a show of strength, you're not the. You're not the quarterback. You're not homecoming king. You're kind of, like, weird and good at math.

[Kat Cohen]

Yeah, wrestling is very. You're good at math. Math.

[George Severis]

But again, all of this is further proof that it's like, break. Like, it's. So we found the one thing that is unanalyzable. Like, we cannot use our. Our critical thinking skills to crack it.

[Kat Cohen]

And also not to, you know, the Greek. The Greek roots. Of course.

[George Severis]

Of course, of course.

[Kat Cohen]

And being, like, fully naked and, like, oiled up.

[George Severis]

Yes. Which, of course, makes it both Right wing coated in one sense. In the sense of, like, let's get back to men being men, you know, et cetera. But then also is, like, you know, utopian back to earth on the other side of things. So it can even be read as, like, progressive in some way.

[Kat Cohen]

It is, like, impossible to comprehend. You know how there's, like, gay rugby leagues and gay hockey leagues. I can't believe there's not a gay wrestling league.

[George Severis]

But I was thinking about this is I. Yes, I thought about this, and then I. Then I forgot that I wanted to make the point. But that's another example of how complicated it is. It is the one sport, even though it's on paper, the gayest thing you can possibly do is, like, simulate sex with your friends. It is the one thing that doesn't have gay leagues. And of course, don't write to us. We're sure it does. But they're not as popular as the gay rugby and gay dodgeball. And I actually think, of course, the reason is because it's too close to sex.

[Kat Cohen]

Well, of course there's no. You can't pretend you're not having sex because you kind of are.

[George Severis]

Yeah. And you know, they would start having sex right there on the rink.

[Kat Cohen]

God. Back to the foot table guy. I've always. There's always like, those guys that are like, want to wrestle, like, on scruff and stuff. And I've always been like, could be kind of exciting. But I also don't have. I don't actually know how to do it. I love the premise, but I think if they actually know how to wrestle in a real way, it'll feel really quickly.

[George Severis]

Yeah. I don't need to be punched in the face.

[Kat Cohen]

Yeah. Like, I'm just trying to be a foot stool.

[George Severis]

By the way. Maybe that's the answer is wrestling is so, so dense as a text that that's the best and most like, horny and inappropriate thing you could watch while using someone as a foot rest is like, college wrestling. I'm not going to say high school, because I think that would open up another can of worms, but college wrestling.

[Kat Cohen]

I'm all in. I'm all in. In.

[George Severis]

Okay.

[Kat Cohen]

Well, I've never had to pee so bad in my whole life. So should we.

[George Severis]

Yeah, let's wrap it up. Well, I thought this was a very successful call in episode. I do want to reiterate that this could be yours for the. For the very low price of $5 a month.

[Kat Cohen]

And also, generally, we're going to do more of these episodes if you Want to call in to 3, 8, 5 gay guys at any point that you feel and just leave a message and we'll comment on it. Basically.

[George Severis]

And I kind of like that we're gonna just do it whenever we feel like it.

[Kat Cohen]

Yeah. And to the guy whose voice I called gay. I'm sorry.

[George Severis]

We love all the gay guys named Zach that called and we invite even people who aren't gay guys named Zach to call from here on out.

[Kat Cohen]

Yeah.

[George Severis]

Even though Zach is trending as a name in my life, I. For a while everyone was named Patrick and now more and more people are named Zach.

[Kat Cohen]

Huh.

[George Severis]

Just something I've noticed.

[Kat Cohen]

I. I can see it for sure. Okay. Well, this has been an absolute delight. So goodbye.

[George Severis]

We love you.

[Kat Cohen]

We love you.

[George Severis]

Be safe.

[Kat Cohen]

Be safe.

[George Severis]

Bye.

[Kat Cohen]

Bye.

[Zach]

Hi. And Sam, this is like not for the pod. Well, it's for you, but no obligation. Play it on the podcast. But I just want to say how much I love the show and that it's really become in an earnestness, demands a way very meaningful to me. And I want to say thanks for putting it out. I am like the opposite of you two. I'm a 25 year old who lives in Texas and works in corporate finance. But I love the show. It cracks me up. I've gotten a lot of my close friends and my sister hooked on the show and I have one friend that in particular really loves the show with me and we listen to it and talk about it together and I'm. We always debate on who is the George and who is the Sam in our friendship. It brought us closer together and I don't know, I. New Year knew me thinking about things and wanted to say thanks for, you know, putting out a great, funny show that has meant a lot to me for the past year that I've been listening and I'm catching up on the backlog of, you know, the years before that I wasn't listening in real time. So anyways, just wanted to say things and that. Yeah, I love you both and I hope your 2025 has been off to a really good start and. Yeah.

[Kat Cohen]

Okay. Bye.

[Zach]

Bye.

[Kat Cohen]

Podcast ends now.

[George Severis]

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[Kat Cohen]

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[George Severis]

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[George Severis]

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